So Bernard Loeb was appointed director of the Office of Aviation Safety effective 1 Sept. 1995.

TWA800 gets blowed up 17 July of the following year, what, 42 weeks later.

Prior to heading the Office of Aviation Safety, Dr. Loeb was the director of the Office of Research and Engineering at the NTSB. This office included the flight recorder laboratory, the metallurgical laboratory, the fire and explosives group, and the vehicle performance division.

https://aero.umd.edu/alumni-industry/distinguished-alumni

Loeb stays in that capacity till his retirement.

In February of 2001.

Loeb…Loeb…where have we heard that name before…?

Another excellent article. If Ron has any free time for leisure reading, which probably is doubtful, he might enjoy reading this novel by Nelson DeMille that cleverly pretends to unmask the truth of the missile theory about TWA 800, but with the apparently ulterior motive of validating the official cover up of the 9/11 attacks. The novel is very well written extremely entertaining and a masterful exercise in misdirection:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Fall_(novel)

It is alleged by many that Hitlery was having an affair with Foster at or around the time of his death. If this is so, then it makes HRC an even more horrific figure. A Black Widow-like spider, consuming her sexual mates.

I would really like to see Ron and others on his site to go back and revisit the Jonestown massacre. There has been some stunning revelations on that event.

Ted Kennedy was negligently responsible for the death of Mary Jo Kopechne in 1969, and there have been numerous other events that been poorly investigated by law enforcement since they involved the Kennedys.

The facts have only recently been revealed about Mary Jo drowning in Ted’s car.

Her relationship with him was platonic; he was simply giving her a ride home after after the party.

While approaching the side road to the island (Chappaquiddick), he suggested:

“It’s a beautiful evening, how about we go out on the seashore?”

Mary Jo wasn’t naïve:

“But Teddy, what if I get pregnant?”

“We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it!”

Mr. Teele sounds genuine to me and his account of the events of July 17th, 1996 and subsequent days sounds quite plausible. Jack Cashill believes him:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/08/the_twa_800_whistleblower_is_legit.html

Mr. Teele is a brave man for coming forward.

This is the Wikipedia page for his ship, the USS Carr:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Carr

Interestingly, it includes this statement:

“On July 17, 1996 while undergoing a test of AN/SPY Alpha radar as part of a simulated air attack off Long Island, the Carr was involved in a high-profile friendly-fire incident leading to significant civilian casualties.[1]”

I guess nobody has gotten round to scrubbing it yet.

Interesting developments.

Ron, you might be interested in this take on the bureaucracy behind the Covid/Vaccine shenanigans.

In this presentation, Sasha Latypova covers the pseudo-legal structure, the organizational structure and the money flow of the COVID criminal enterprise.

A little florid at times but the revelations as to who was calling the shots is a shock, but not really a surprise. That the legal labyrinth is so Orwellian is not an accident.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/12/no_author/evidence-of-the-conspiracy-to-commit-mass-murder-by-the-dod-hhs-sasha-latypova/

While an Aegis cruiser is indeed optimized for AAW, ASUW (surface warfare/running gun battles) is considered one of the warfare areas it is capable of performing. Armament which can be used against surface targets include:

Two MK 45 5-inch/54 caliber lightweight guns
Two Phalanx close-in weapons systems
Six MK-46 torpedoes (from two triple mounts)
Crew manned weapons (.50 Cal machine guns and 40mm grenade launchers)

Some of the standard missiles can be used in a surface to surface mode (although it would be wasteful against small gunboats).

In addition, it can also carry two SH-60 Seahawk (LAMPS III) helicopters that are capable of operations against surface targets.

The ‘End of History’ was the high-water mark in Yankee Exceptionalist hubris. Nemesis, an unforgiving bitch, is at hand. Of course a rabid dog in its dying throes is a very dangerous animal, indeed.

Yeah-NO racist troll EVER admits to being racist. You’re just another pig ignorant, brainwashed, racist Sinophobe troll who knows NOTHING of China’s INCREDIBLE achievements under Mao and his colleagues. You’re just shit-scared and enraged that the Chinese are FAR and FAST outdoing the crumbling Yankee Reich. Why not crawl back under your rock with your little mate, Wizz?

Totally Agree. This country is utterly subverted. The small hats have been terraforming our country since WWII.

It really makes one lose hope.

Omitted or overlooked…

After GHWB shoved NAFTA over the final hurdle of many years in the making, GATT and the WTO were rushed through a lame duck Congress after the big “Republican win” in 1994 called the “Contract with America” but before the newly elected rightwing congress could stop it. The WTO (World Trade Organization) is an unelected supra-national board of globalist cronies deciding global trade policies and tariffs. The RINO wing of the Deep State was fully in charge under Gingrich and he rushed this monstrosity through working hand in glove with the unpopular deposed Democrats. It is in effect to this day and heavily favored off-shoring American manufacturing.

Also, Bill Barr was the clean up man for Ruby Ridge. He was Deep State long before they planted his resume on Trump’s desk.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bill+barr+ruby+ridge&hps=1&start=1&atb=v314-1&ia=web

Nope, I speak the reality as I have seen and experienced it. You have difficulty with reality and try to pretend it is otherwise. Some people call that: la-la land.

Anyhow, I’ll wish you a Merry Xmas but, somehow, I don’t think you’ll experience it that way. Choices….

Flying at night as a private pilot is a little risky. Still, he’d be a presidential aspirant by now we’re he alive…I’m amazed the family let him fly as a pilot.

The Kennedys have historically encouraged aggressive and risky behaviour amongst their children, even so, the level of tragedy within their family seems excessive. Planes and the Kennedy’s don’t mix, no question.

Below is from a June 17, 1968 article entitled ‘Cloud Over the Kennedys’. I’ve emboldened the numerous (typically fatal) plane crashes their family members have experienced.

Not mentioned, of course, is JFK Jr’s plane crash, nor the fatal plane crash of Aristotle Onassis’ son (in 1972?) after the father married Jacqueline Kennedy. Onassis’ daughter tried to persuade her father from marrying into the Kennedy’s as she was convinced the Kennedy family was ‘cursed’.

Thank you for further proving my astute observation.

LOL. Another mental midget. Frank Zappa wrote a song about you called “Bobby Brown.�

I can’t stand shuck and jive, poseurs, phonies, and people like you who pretend they actually know what they are talking about.

Go talk to a tree squirrel, give a few peanuts, and you will have an audience that equals your caliber.

Flying at night as a private pilot is a little risky. Still, he’d be a presidential aspirant by now we’re he alive.

I’m amazed the family let him fly as a pilot.

East Asian women are generally petite and skinny. That’s main attraction. Generally quite bright.

Wrong again on all counts….for a total strike-out. Your presumptuousness is in error again and the reading comprehension needs a serious tune-up.

What I stated is accurate and you deflected from it because you aren’t able to put forth a rational rebuttal. The feminism of yesteryear is something that doesn’t even cross 90%+ of American minds except for fundamentalist-type conservatives. They are easily rattled in general and don’t adapt well to change. Relics….

My, so triggered and semi-hostile about something that wasn’t a personal comment or observation about you.

That reminds me of the very astute observation made by whomever, “You take the most flak when you are over the target”. You recognize what I put forth and it bothers you OR you are so entirely accustomed to it you don’t recognize it all.

Whatever, the reality remains.

The TRUTH hurts..doesn’t it?
Feminism is a leftist concept and has nothing to do with the “right”.
I take it that you are a feminist who doesn’t like her “ox to be gored” by LOGIC.

Separately, Asian women are subservient in general, they are taught to be. It’s not about “knowing how to treat a man�. (Lol, I shake my head.) They are also very passive aggressive so, people best be aware of that. It’s incredibly difficult dealing with people who behave that way.

I went to high school in Japan, lived there and did business there over the decades. I also lived in Hawaii for 2 years. I’ve been all over the Orient. I am a man of the East.

It’s easy for me to recognize that you don’t know what you are talking about. The jingoism of passive-aggressive, characterization is meaningless. The rest of your comment are scraps on the meat processing floor-mostly fat and gristle.

Despite the stereotype that American men are attracted to Asian women because of their subservience, it is actually their distinctly feminine qualities that are so appealing.

Nope, you, and they, may tell yourselves that but, not buying. A very simple exercise that I find quite useful in life related to many, many types of situations is to ‘ strip away an aspect’ and see how that impacts what you think/feel about it.

In this case, we’ll go with that an Asian lady has ‘distinctly feminine qualities’ (subjective, btw) but, she is not at all of a subservient demeanor. How attractive is she now?

The apparent deference of Asian women counts for much more of their appeal to Western men than the men will admit. They are only kidding themselves.

You seem to have chugged a great deal of media-inflamed nonsense. So many people do these days and believe it is real. They simply do not consider closely their sourcing of “information”.

The only people/media I encounter who ramble on about feminism are on the Right. They have a semi-obsession with it while the rest of the country doesn’t actively think about in this era. Most have moved on.

Separately, Asian women are subservient in general, they are taught to be. It’s not about “knowing how to treat a man”. (Lol, I shake my head.) They are also very passive aggressive so, people best be aware of that. It’s incredibly difficult dealing with people who behave that way.

Thank you for further proving my astute observation. I don’t partake of CNN, it isn’t even piped into my home. So, wrong and baselessly presumptuous.

Regarding deaths in 2020 from any means…..I made no statement about such and any lack of deaths from a bioengineered virus doesn’t prove it doesn’t exist. So, wrong again.

FYI, hoax and false flag are not the same thing. Releasing Covid was a global false flag.

I could give a thousand reasons why Amurka is a terminal case. Yes, it is too late to save it. It will disintegrate and burn to the ground. Out of the cinders and ashes, a new civilization(s) will form.

This is but one of those reasons. This is a happening. Behind it are are composition of ideas, ideals, and motives.

Video Link

There is more to “yellow fever� than is presently being discussed.
Quite often, white women are their own worst enemy when they stop acting like women. Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps�.
Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.
Of course, there are those few who want only one thing–the coveted “green card� establishing permanent residency in the good ol’ USA, but Asian women do have an advantage by not embracing rabid man-hating feminism.
White women would do well to “step back� and take a good look at themselves.
This whole “women can do it allâ€� mantra is demonstrably false and should be abandoned. Feminists are finally getting their “comeuppance” with biological (mentally ill transgender) males competing against them in sporting events. So much for the (feminist) “woman who can do it all”.
All one has to do is look at the evil of abortion. Murdering your own offspring for “convenience� is just downright evil.
Just maybe the biblical story in Genesis with the female temptress encouraging the male to partake of the “forbidden fruit� has merit.

All true and I’ll add that I’m tired of alt media writers ignoring the elephant in the room. It is very important context.

You should try using your eyes to observe the real world, instead of memorizing what (((CNN))) tells you to think. Not one person died in 2020. Not one, other than those over 82 years old and/or 400 pounds or with 3 other comorbidities. The hospitals were empty.

I’m saying in general; some of my best friends have been Chinese. But I hate crowds, and myself not being Chinese their xenophobia can be quite annoying. Still I prefer them to Indians. Also they can be rude, pushy, and of poor hygiene such as spitting inside restaurants, corridors, lifts. Of course not my friends, but others I’ve witnessed doing so. Perhaps they’re improving.

Sorry to hear you “don’t like the Chinese much”since I have been impressed by their kindness and intelligence.A number of close male relatives in the military have brought back East Asian brides and each has adapted well to American ways while preserving their heritage.

Despite the stereotype that American men are attracted to Asian women because of their subservience, it is actually their distinctly feminine qualities that are so appealing.

As for American war crimes in Korea,the settled American policy is that almost any tactic that saves American lives is going to be used,including napalm,fire bombing of cities and destruction of infrastructure.Both sides were guilty of killing and mistreating POW’S and
civilians.

It is not a morally acceptable defense to say the that the enemy would have done the same if they had had the means,but anger and brutality always intensify as wars stretch out.

The Chinese fought USA and its stooges in Korea to a standstill. So about those massive casualties. The Chinese never forget and never forgive and pass their resentments and hatreds down the generations. They are extremely patient and will extract revenge on Americans and their stooges when the time comes, there is absolutely no doubt about that. Fear them, as they’ll pay you back for all that napalm and other war crimes you committed in an unjust criminal war to keep a foothold on Asian soil you have no right to. And they’ll avenge their Red Indian cousins too whom you virtually exterminated. Unfortunately for you there are far too many Chinese, they’re not going anywhere, they’re just there growing stronger and waiting, waiting, waiting to make you pay for all your crimes. That much is certain. (I personally don’t like the Chinese much but that’s how they are. You’ve been warned).

First and foremost the big-time financiers of Wall Street and The City have no loyalty to their countrymen,no patriotism except for show, and probably would sell you the rope you might use to hang them.They are well represented in Congress.

… they were formerly more commonly referred to as “rootless cosmopolitans.�

First and foremost the big-time financiers of Wall Street and The City have no loyalty to their countrymen,no patriotism except for show, and probably would sell you the rope you might use to hang them.They are well represented in Congress.

Senator Mike Lee of Utah has dedicated his life and career to outsourcing American jobs to India as well as bringing high tech labor into the U.S. to replace American workers and drive down salaries.

His cover is that of a constitutionalist while actually representing Silicon Valley and Wall Street bankers.He and his scum ilk are a majority in Congress. He pretends to be a patriot but is in fact a globalist,a neocon warhawk and a deceiver of his voters.

Greetings to all the Dindus and D’unders from the bowels of The Hegemon.

Not all critics of Chairman Mao,and you his mouthpiece,are racially motivated.
Let’s just say that that Mao went to extremes in fulfilling the old idiom,”You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.”

There is no possible justification for for Mao’s policies which caused the starvation and murder of untold millions within China and sent another 4oo,ooo to 900,000 men to their deaths in in the Korean War. Mao knew full well that his soldiers would have no serious defense against American high altitude bombing or strafing and napalm attacks by fighter jets.

Probability theory. Interesting. I think the fBI was certainly involved, but the planners are well hidden, or maybe not so well hidden. There are levels of involvement. Even if we were able to point the finger at the main culprit, no one would report it, and nothing would happen. They laugh at us.

On top of that, most people in important positions just thought of China as a perpetually Third World country. The possibility that transferring industry over to China would make the country anything other than a banana republic seemed alien in the 1990s. Especially with all of the triumphalism over the Cold War in the 1990s, it was widely assumed that China could only proceed towards further deregulation and free markets. The idea that a strong one-party state might eventually be heading a major industrial power would have contradicted The End of History as outlined by Fukuyama.

… or more to the point, why did America execute the Great Labour Arbitrage and rip out the backbone of its economy by transferring virtually all of its manufacturing to China and virtually all of its IT to India?

My two cents on that front : corporate greed and shortsightedness, coupled with a political class more focused on securing financial support for the next election run than anything else.

But if the US sees China as the primary threat,why did they provoke a conflict with Russia?

… or more to the point, why did America execute the Great Labour Arbitrage and rip out the backbone of its economy by transferring virtually all of its manufacturing to China and virtually all of its IT to India?

One of the principal ways in which Western racists attack China is to attempt to undermine its legitimacy by falsely slandering its founder, Mao. George Washington was a genocidal Indian killer, but we don’t hear about that, do we. Mao was responsible for the greatest increase in human welfare for the greatest number in history, a truth that Sinophobe racists hate.
Why attack Russia? So that the successor puppet regimes can join the Great Race War against China, of course.

For shame, Achmed! Its a sacred sack for Mulga.

Mao(b. 1893) was 56 in 1949 when he assumed complete control of China and 73 in 1966 when he began the Cultural Revolution.His health did deteriorate during this period, but there is no doubt that he was fully aware and in charge until he was pushed into a ceremonial role in 1969 by Deng Xiaoping and others.

There is little doubt that Mao always favored ideological purity above preservation of lives.

You are correct about the Western media’s bias against China,but even within China there is a recognition that Mao’s policies were needlessly cruel and counterproductive.

What is immediately concerning is the anti-Chinese propaganda being generated by the US because of fear that China is challenging our economic and military dominance.But if the US sees China as the primary threat,why did they provoke a conflict with Russia? The American Government has proven once again that it can be reckless and stupid at the same time.

It is laughable to observe the number of commentors spout the old propaganda canard: Nazi=bad-Communist=good.
The “American History Channel� in the USA should be renamed the “American Hitler Channel� for all the falsehoods and propaganda that it portrays and disseminates about WW2, Germany and Adolf Hitler.
According to programs on the “American History Channel�, Hitler was a drug addict, impotent, riddled with syphilis and other STDs, yet possessed highly technical “superweapons�, possessed “alien technology�, advanced flight and anti-gravity technologies, and still could not “win� WW2.
Anyone with an open mind who watches the Hitler lies and fabrications on that channel can easily see that it is all BS, especially when the so-called “holocaust™� is inserted into just about all of these programming “gems�. The same old photos of emaciated typhus victim bodies are constantly being paraded around to remind “us� how evil Hitler truly was. (Yeah, right).
Germany was much more advanced than even the USA of the time, hence “Operation Paperclip� commenced in which the USA snatched up Germany’s greatest scientific minds after the summation of WW2.
Looking at the big picture (which is usually ignored), the “German state� was attacked by the rest of the world, and held on to its principles for far longer than expected.
Hitler’s greatest “sin� was the monetization of labor (giving labor true “value�) and going against the Rothschild banks. Going against the jew-run banks made him “enemy #1�.
He also KNEW that there was a subset of Bolshevik jews who were fomenting communist revolution within Germany. Most people are unaware of the secret agreements that he had with the zionists to “encourage� jewish emigration to what was then known as Palestine. These agreements were celebrated by both the German government and the zionists at the time. A commemorative coin was even issued to celebrate the agreement. THAT aspect of history is never mentioned on the “American Hitler Channel�.
When it comes to WW2, Germany, and even the Allies, the “American History Channel� is 99% propaganda and 1% truth.
If those of “the greatest generation� could see the world of today and what it has become, being jew-controlled, they would have thrown off their American uniforms and fought on the side of the Germans…

I’m not an accident investigator.

Melts? I said it’ll short everything out. Perhaps I don’t give much credence to reports of this “melting” because I understand that lots of people who write about this seem to be full of shit.

It’s likely Kennedy crashed due to spatial disorientation – it’s a fairly common cause of GA accidents. Maybe not, but there’s another 2 minutes blown writing to you.

Yeah, the plane was likely in a tight spiral, so of course one wing would take more damage than the other. Then, you’re gonna have shorts everywhere when you have your electrical system fully immersed in salt water (or any). Ya think??

But the left wing and horizontal stabilizer were hardly damaged at all, so already your scenario is wrong. An out of control airplane in a tight spiral usually augers in nose first with the tail up, but JFK Jr.’s airplane hit the water in such an attitude that the right wing and horizontal stabilizer were both totally broken up, while their counterparts on the left side of the airplane were hardly damaged at all.

In your view when an airplane crashes into salt water, it melts all the electronics?

Tell us all about it Mr. expert pilot.

Anyone working on anything gets better over time. Apprentices study, work, and practice their craft to be promoted to Journeymen. Journeymen work to become craftsmen.

How many years has our corrupt government been perfecting its craft? How many years has the Mainstream Media been perfecting its craft?

Once you go far enough upstream and realize that yes indeed, “History is written by the Victors”, then you know we are living in a make-believe world. “A sea of Lies”, yes indeed.

The “Axis of Evil” was not evil. America and Great Britain, Russia committed horrendous war crimes in WWII and no one ever was held accountable.

The inventive, always mercantile Jews, attached their supposed suffering to our already in-place massive post-war atrocity PROPAGANDA campaigns. Billions pour into the Tribe.

Now we have the ridiculous Holocaust Narrative to live with and the History Channel STILL producing “Axes of Evil” war footage 80 years later. Indoctrinating our youth into a Manufactured, Sanitized Reality –GLORIFYING WAR.

Mainstream Media Propaganda is Master Craftsman’s class GOOD: We cannot rule the world without willing dupes (Military Recruits) to sacrifice their lives and limbs in their Wars for Profit:

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bb8fea23c000018010e0460.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

1945: The Axis of Evil,
1950-1953 – Korean War
1955 – 1975: Vietnam War
1978 -2000: The Holocaust Propaganda Ramps up (Steven Spielberg chief Israeli Propagandist)
1990-1991 – Desert Shield/Desert Storm – Liberation of Kuwait and “Throw the Babies from the
Incubators”
1992 Rubby Ridge
1993 WACO
1996 TWA FLT 800,
2001 – Septemeber, 11 — 9/11 LIE
2001 – October 26th – Congress passes “The Patriot Act”
2001 – The Endless War on Terror —–and Saddam Hussein’s “Axis of Evil”.
2020 – Covid-19 and Covid Lockdowns
2020 – First Military / Digital Coup in America. The seat of the Presidency was stolen in the 2020 Election. Dominion Voting Machines’ long history of Third World Election Sales. A fraudulent president installed behind 10-foot walls, razor wire fencing and 10,000 Federally Armed Troops. No crowds in attendance.

Now we have Covid-19, Which appears to be a massive collusion between Big Pharma, secretly funded Bio-Labs, Big Governments and this lethal Death Jab product being mandated across the world.

A GIGANTIC Ruse unleashed on the ENTIRE PLANET. An incredible operation!!! The Biggest False Flag EVER DEVISED.

When criminals are never challenged. They become emboldened and their crimes grow in magnitude. Others join their organization. They grow in power, sophistication, eagerness to do more, take more, control more.

One thing is for sure. WE ARE SHEEP. Our government has about as much respect for the American population as we do for the 130 Million pigs we butcher every year so that we can enjoy the taste of bacon every morning.

Pigs are smarter than dogs, yet we EAT THEM because we can …and they taste good.

AND THEY NEVER FIGHT BACK.

Oh, and EVERYONE flew with a red-lensed flashlight at night. Nowadays, Wal-Mart’s got the headband style ones with LEDs – great, until the cheap batteries corrode the thing, and you need it – best to keep batteries out of all devices you don’t use daily, as crappy as they are now.

I was not around during that Camelot era, Timur. I was really glad to see that these Kennedy worshipper holdovers into even the late 1990s had given up on crowning these people a Dynasty. That said, thank you for the take on the good members of the family and their risky behavior and misfortunes*.

I gotta say, that I am glad Ted the Swimmer is long dead. Besides that incident of manslaughter that he got clean away with, he was instrumental in the destruction of this country with his support of the 1965 immigration act, with his lying about its effects to come. He was no better right on up till the day he died, still a destructive Senator…

I have lots more respect for the former President than I used to. His support for (40%!) lower taxes, the use of REAL money (maybe the end of the FED), his anti-Communism (even with the screw-ups) would make him a John Bircher in today’s day and age. I can think of so many important entities that’d have wanted to kill him, that I cannot think that his murder WASN’T a conspiracy.

Yes, it sounds like “John John” was a good guy. I don’t make light of his probably accident, and it’s one of the more common GA accident scenarios.

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* As a kid, I read a book about JFK that had the story of his PT boat.

Quit wasting my time, Sparkon, and I won’t have to waste my own time explaining to you stuff that you don’t have a clue about.

Yeah, the plane was likely in a tight spiral, so of course one wing would take more damage than the other. Then, you’re gonna have shorts everywhere when you have your electrical system fully immersed in salt water (or any). Ya think??

“massive electromagnetic event”? The engine’s cylinders are fired with magnetos, with no digital electronics. I thought you said the guy could fly well? You don’t need any electrical system or avionics to fly the plane. (Maybe you don’t know that either.)

You know NOTHING about flying, so how about you quit showing your ignorance about that part of the story? As I told Timur, I’m not going to continue reading speculation that starts off with big errors.

Congratulations on this latest AP article, Mr. Unz. Really enjoyed listening to it. No wonder Paul Craig Roberts once said that, if the US were a sensible country, you or someone like you would be acclaimed as our political leader.

It’s just that I will not read further, or watch further, people who expound wrongly on the part I know about.

You’ve tried making a mountain out of a molehill with your trivial, inconsequential and misguided quibbles about terminology, as I’ve shown, but at least Timur the Lame was impressed.

Meanwhile, you go on and on and on with speculation about what you do not know at all, like this latest business with the red flashlight, all entirely a product of your wild imagination and nothing else, except perhaps your ingrained, Right-wing, anti-Kennedy bias, one of the seeming prerequisites for being a far Right-winger, and you’ve surely got plenty of company here.

So keep on waving that red flashlight, Achmed. Get a green one and you could be a Christmas display.

By all true accounts, JFK Jr. was an excellent pilot flying a modern airplane into a modern regional airport under excellent conditions. He had radioed Vineyard Tower with a routine communication, and was preparing to land just before his airplane suddenly and inexplicably crashed into the ocean off Martha’s Vineyard.

Speaking of right wings, it looks to me like the starboard (right) side of JFK Jr.’s Piper Saratoga hit the water first. Much of the cabin is missing and the tail is detached from the rest of the airplane. Too bad this photo is so blurry.

According to a report from Wayne Madsen, the FBI initially was treating the Kennedy plane crash as a murder investigation. He says the FBI first concluded that a “massive electromagnetic event” caused Kennedy’s plane to crash:

…every light bulb, including that in the emergency flashlight, had been blown out on the plane and every circuit board, including those in the engine sensors and other electronic equipment, had been literally “melted.” FBI agents on the scene preliminarily concluded that a “massive electromagnetic event” caused Kennedy’s plane to crash.

The FBI also questioned some boaters in the area, who gave fishy answers about what they were up to, and also had an unusual number of extra batteries aboard their boat. According to Madsen, at that point the murder investigation was called off, and the FBI had to leave it there.

http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

The one thing that impressed me with the Kennedy family was that they did not shield their children from dangerous endeavors. Joe Jr. probably the ultimate example. Sickly Jack had his boat sliced in half by a destroyer and survived up to the point when his brains were exploded upon his wife’s pretty pink dress. All dangerous games.

The second and third generation continued the tradition of dangerous pursuits. I admire that in these days of exaggerated mollycoddling. But then again, maybe Old Joe knew of the near scientific fact that the first generation builds the wealth, the second maintains it and the third squanders it.

I happened to read a lot about Jack jr. inadvertently and got the impression that he was of average intelligence, a very nice guy, loyal friend and humble. There is no doubt that his looks accentuated the best of his very attractive parents but he never took advantage of neither his appearance nor station in the life that he was born into.

Politics would have ruined him. Made him into an asshole. I think all in all he would have rather liked to be left alone but life does not work that way especially when you are immortalized by that photo of his saluting his father at the funeral.

Best wishes to you also in the festive season.

Cheers-

Merry Christmas, Timur. It’s not that I ever ruled out a conspiracy on this. It’s just that I will not read further, or watch further, people who expound wrongly on the part I know about.

In other words, the explanation we heard on this has NOT been ruled out either.

The Kennedies sure were accident and “incident” prone, weren’t they? (The one guy skied into a tree.) It’s too bad about JFK, Jr., as just as it is with Bobby Kennedy’s son, it seems like he was a pretty good guy.

Achmed, old friend, there is a U-tube video that I watched wherein a pilot explained exactly what Jr. would have experienced during the flight’s last moments. A close personal friend who was a pilot told me the exact thing right at the time that it happened but I seduced myself to take the ‘conspiracy’ route. It took a while and much reading for me to change my own mind.

Note to fellow ‘conspiracy theorists’. Be able to walk back. It is a sign of mental strength and integrity. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Cheers-

Reports from the NTSB said Kennedy had the radio tuned wrong, close but not quite, to the ATIS frequency. (It has recorded weather, runway in use, “Notices to Airmen”, etc.) Could he have been looking down a long time to check that number? Was he old enough to have needed reading glasses, especially at night, while using a red flashlight?

Mao Sackhanger: Achmed E. Newman

The US meritocracy expired long before 2000. The ‘rule of law’ is just another facet of the rule of money, particularly in Common Law, where the judges can find some arcane precedent, or simply make a new one up, to suit their, or their patrons’, pecuniary interests. I fact the USA, like Austfailia and all ‘Free Market’ capitalist States, has long been a kakistocracy.

So, the money-grubbers, who would sell out Russia in a Tel Aviv minute, were proved wrong, just like our equivalents here in the lobotomised running-dog State, Austfailia. Colour me unsurprised. No doubt they were hoping for regime change, the vivisection of Russia, and the numerous gravy-trains that would be there for the hopping-on afterwards. Central banksters are parasites, just like the commercial equivalents.

You’ve been brainwashed, buddy. After Liberation, it was the peasants who took revenge against the parasites who had sucked their blood for millennia, just like after every previous peasant revolt. The CPC actually attempted to limit the carnage, with some success. The figure for the deaths in the Great Famine is bogus, but at least not as lurid as the ‘one hundred million’ that some bigots quote.
The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution certainly got out of hand, but Mao was old and not as much in command as before. All in all, deaths after 1949 are exaggerated for the usual racist and ideological reasons that see the Western MSM today produce 100% negative reports concerning China, a country where NOTHING good ever happens. And the vast improvements in life under Mao are ignored or denied with typical alacrity.The USA has murdered c.one hundred million since WWII, but we never hear about those slaughters, do we.

There’s also the Georgetown Starbucks murder from July, 1997, in which 3 employees were brutally murdered. It was said to be a robbery, although the “robbers” left the >$10k there in the store. They also took the dead manager’s keys and locked up from the outside when they left.

The dead manager was 24 year old Mary Caitrin Mahoney, known as “Caity”. She had been a White House Intern in the Clinton White House. She was friends with Monica Lewinsky.

That same week was when Michael Isikoff’s “blind item”, talking about an unnamed White House intern scandal.

A negro career criminal was pinched for the crime, although many gaps and questions remained.

On the Linda Tripp recordings, Monica was recorded saying that she didn’t want to wind up like Caity Mahoney. What did she mean?

Mahoney had also been a WH aide to a female negro high level Clinton staffer, Alexis Herman, who was later Sec. of Labor, and who was embroiled in scandal.

Thanks for the reply. Even if Kennedy had the beacon, REILS (strobes at the ends), or any other lights in sight, that’s just a small thing 13 miles out. You’re not getting the problem that people get into. At 9:40 P in that area, even in the middle of July, as it was, Nautical Twilight (later than “Civil Twilight”) is at 9:27. It was DARK.

Perhaps there were a few shore lights visible, on the island or on Rhode Island, out his left window. There are boats with lights on them. There was not a horizon as on a clear day. Kennedy accidentally turns off the A/P (if that was the thing), or looks down to take a look at his airport diagram, or talks to the 2 women in the back, spends too much time on it, gets a little vertigo moving his head around quickly, and then sees the airspeed high, looks outside, misinterprets his bank angle, looks inside and figures he’d better pull hard to slow down, gets confused …

I don’t think that new highway would lead from the water, though, right?

So what? I don’t care how many times he’d made the flight. This isn’t about the route. It’s about the fact that if you are not good on instruments in those conditions, and you get distracted, you can get in a bad situation quickly. (Part of the problem is not knowing how to get out of an unusual attitude.)

If, if, if. Visibility was reported by various sources to be 8-12 miles on Martha’s Vineyard at the time of Kennedy’s crash so “those conditions” exist only in the minds of parties trying to cloud the issue.

The tower manager at MVY was on duty on the night of the accident for an 8-hour shift, which ended when the tower closed, about 2200. During an interview, the tower manager stated … the following:

“The visibility, present weather, and sky condition at the approximate time of the accident was probably a little better than what was being reported. I say this because I remember aircraft on visual approaches saying they had the airport in sight between 10 and 12 miles out. I do recall being able to see those aircraft and I do remember seeing the stars out that night…”

–NTSB report

[my bolds]

Additionally, residents on Martha’s Vineyard had been complaining about increasing light pollution on the island, with new lights on a highway leading to MVY drawing particular gripes about how bright it all was.

No, I wasn’t in the Air Force. If you were, you didn’t fly planes in it. What experience do you have?

I wrote reports about Soviet aerospace operations during two overseas tours with Air Force Security Service during the Cold War.

So no, I wasn’t a pilot.

Indeed, your skepticism is warranted. Last things from me: a person could be made to disappear and his family and friends misled about the circumstances. Not saying that happened but the missing instructor and missing seat still raise an eyebrow. And multiple eyewitnesses to an explosion in that part of the sky raises the other eyebrow; IF those witnesses actually existed. Idk but thanks for helping to elucidate some parts of this narrative.

After the Chinese Communist takeover in 1949 the Party faced one of greatest
governmental challenges in history,but the way they consolidated their control and implemented their programs was brutal,without precedent.

Recalling that millions of soldiers and civilians had been killed by the Japanese in the previous 15 years, and in the Civil War during part of that time,in 1950 Mao began an organized campaign of land expropriation which resulted in the murder of millions of landowners,merchants and “rightist” intellectuals.

In 1958 Mao launched “The Great Leap Forward” which created agricultural collectives and shifted labor to industry and to building infrastructure.The result was the starvation of 30 to 35 million mostly rural Chinese.

And then there was the “Cultural Revolution,” epitomized by the “Red Guards” and apparently the purpose was to stamp out revisionism among the new Communist elite,with more hundreds of thousands of lives lost.

Mao Zedong was undoubtedly the creator of modern China,but was it necessary to sacrifice so many lives in the process? Would it have been possible to build a consensus by reason and persuasion rather than by murder?

JFK Jr. radioed MVY – Martha’s Vineyard tower, if you insist – at 9:39 pm with a routine communication showing no indication of distress, disorientation, or anything out of the ordinary, just before his plane suddenly and inexplicably went into a nose dive,

So what? I don’t care how many times he’d made the flight. This isn’t about the route. It’s about the fact that if you are not good on instruments in those conditions, and you get distracted, you can get in a bad situation quickly. (Part of the problem is not knowing how to get out of an unusual attitude.)

A plane like this shouldn’t need an autopilot, but I’d read he had one. There’s speculation that he cut it off mistakenly while trying to hit the push-to-talk (on the radio) button. They would both be on the yoke. That’s a real possibility, and if he’d been relying on an autopilot so much …

If he went into an unusual attitude I don’t know if he’d have the wherewithal to get on the radio, but it wouldn’t do any good. Did that recording get “lost” out of respect for his family?

No, I wasn’t in the Air Force. If you were, you didn’t fly planes in it. What experience do you have?

Thanks for the reply, J.T. I won’t argue much of that, but I do want to state that I didn’t mean to imply his instructors were unprofessional. “Easy on him”? I would bet on it. Now, speaking of JFK Jr’s flight instructors, I don’t see how one would die in the ocean and simply not be missed… by his family, the flight school, etc. Then:

Also missing was the flight recorder battery thus no voice recording. The flight log JFK, Jr. kept in his recovered duffel bag was missing. If the instructor was on board, he would have been entered in the log book.

What kind of flight recorder* is this guy talking about? Only FAR Part 121 (i.e. airline) aircraft are required to have these. Nobody, but nobody, in any kind of single-engine piston or light twin aircraft would have one in it.

Why’d the guy bring his log books? It’s possible he did, but no, the flight wouldn’t be logged till it’s over. Maybe the instructor logged it while he was under the sea. ;-}

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* That’s not to mention that the “flight recorder”, called a Flight Data Recorder, takes data from airplane sensors/instruments. The Cockpit Voice Recorder records voices. As I wrote, a plane like this would certainly have neither one.

No, dammit it’s the “Martha’s Vineyard Tower�. It’s not the “Martha’s Vineyard flight controller� and it’s not just “the airport�. The problem is, from this sort of quibble, I can tell that the people writing simply don’t know their stuff. They know nothing about flying. You don’t either obviously, and I don’t care if you were in the Air Force.

If you want to make your stand, and blow your horn from this tiny anthill of trivial quibbles about terminology, be my guest.

JFK Jr. radioed MVY – Martha’s Vineyard tower, if you insist – at 9:39 pm with a routine communication showing no indication of distress, disorientation, or anything out of the ordinary, just before his plane suddenly and inexplicably went into a nose dive, which is the point you’re dancing around trying to dodge.

but my point is that all these people are ruling out spatial disorientation and a “graveyard spiral� into the water. They have no knowledge that supports their ruling this out.

Sure we do. First and foremost, by all accounts, Kennedy was “an excellent pilot who did not take chances.” He’d made this same flight any number of times safely and without incident. Significantly, there was no mayday or any communication of any kind indicating an emergency situation aboard Kennedy’s aircraft. There is absolutely nothing at all to suggest or support pilot disorientation in this case except your imagination.

I was in the Air Force; apparently you weren’t. You have no respect for my experience, and I equally, have no respect for your speculation, nor for your trivial and misguided quibbles, which are always the sign of someone who has no real argument.

So, if you’ve got something of real substance, let’s see it.

The drip-drip-drip of withheld Twitter censorship documents will come to be regarded as one of CIA’s greatest limited hangouts.

As a first-level diversion we have professional homo Yoel Roth, a walking speedbag of self-absorbed grandiosity, pimping out youngsters for Grinder and Playpen while censoring Joe Blow on his couch for unapproved opinions. Classic CIA patsy, ripe for demonization with his repulsive fatuity and floppy wrists.

The second-level decoy is Taibbi’s deceptive exposé of Teleporter. FBI dimbulbs hectoring their corporate “partners” for completion of scutwork tasks. Twitter complying and sucking up like the groveling subordinates they clearly are. When FBI’s not doing CIA’s illegal domestic death squad errands, killing defense witnesses like Ibragim Todashev, they’re carrying out classic CIA Phung Hoang functions by silencing civil society and blacklisting individuals for intimidation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/twitter-files-twitter-fbi-subsidiary

What’s missing? Carlton’s onsite supervision of his FBI secret police, and the NHB’s high-level censorship and indoctrination, obscured as usual through NGO cutouts. You can always count on the trimming weasel Taibbi to knuckle under to CIA.

Tabbi’s CIA steno slogan: “The lines become so blurred as to be meaningless.”

No they don’t, you mealy-mouthed shitnews snool. CIA runs this show. Grow a pair and say so.

We know about CIA direction of this Glavlit apparat like we know you’re bald under those stupid hats. You grew up under PSB D-33/2 but you don’t know what it means?

No, dammit it’s the “Martha’s Vineyard Tower”. It’s not the “Martha’s Vineyard flight controller” and it’s not just “the airport”. The problem is, from this sort of quibble, I can tell that the people writing simply don’t know their stuff. They know nothing about flying. You don’t either obviously, and I don’t care if you were in the Air Force.

I said I don’t know if the plane was sabotaged, but my point is that all these people are ruling out spatial disorientation and a “graveyard spiral” into the water. They have no knowledge that supports their ruling this out.

BTW, a small plane is not on “final approach” at 13 miles out, and in fact that’s not a VFR term. You enter the pattern, per the controller’s instructions (Approach control first, if there is a facility, and tower last, or on your own if no tower or if it’s closed.) So, whether he called up or not has nothing to do with the crash or explosion (again, I don’t know), unless that call was a Mayday call.

You don’t call ground control from the air, Sparkon, first of all.

Is a mistaken quibble about the meaning of “ground control” all you’ve got? You may not know I was in the Air Force:

With Ground Control Approach (GCA), a ground controller followed an approaching aircraft on a radar screen and instructed the pilot down to the runway.

https://airandspace.si.edu/explore/stories/air-traffic-control

ground con·trol
/ɡround kənˈtr�l/
noun: ground control

the ground-based personnel and equipment that monitor and direct the flight and landing of aircraft or spacecraft.

According to subsequently suppressed media accounts, John Kennedy Jr. radioed the flight controller at Martha’s Vineyard airport at 9:39 pm with a routine communication, so first of all, you really need to address that.

Kennedy radioed the Martha’s Vineyard flight controller at 9:39 PM the evening of July 16.

“At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13 miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach.

So far, all I’ve read from you is speculation about Kennedy’s piloting skills or his sudden and unexplained disorientation, while you have chosen to ignore all the indications that Kennedy’s plane was sabotaged and blew up in an explosion that was witnessed by close to a dozen people out strolling on the beach that night.

Thanks for that. I appreciate that you made several good points that were indeed logical and easy to understand. I have a quibble or two though. For one, if given that Kennedy had made the same exact flight several times, including five times at night, then it seems odd that he would suddenly become disoriented and fly into the water while only a few miles from his destination. Very possible of course. I can drive the same route safely 5k times and on trip 5,001 become distracted and drive into a ditch. But that’s less likely than on an unfamiliar route. Regarding the NTSB and the traffic cop, I’d caution against putting the one on a pedestal and denigrating the other too much. If the Board could be waved off or corrupted for TWA 800 then the same could apply for the Kennedy crash. The attention given to a plane crash or a car crash can be adjusted by the Board or by the Chief (of Police) as deemed necessary. You could have one or two inexperienced investigators assigned or more experienced investigators if you really want to know what happened. Lastly, I understand what you’re saying about the rich guy-flight instructor relationship but you have to admit that is conjecture only. Without evidence of some sort, we cannot assert that his instructors were unprofessional or going easy on him. It’s just an unknown.

It is good to always be skeptical though. Many times when I think I know something about a famous conspiracy theory, I will later become aware of another piece that changes the picture. But my personal view is that every one of these mysteries should be assumed to be due to foul play until it is ruled out. Sadly that is the world we live in. Maybe I’m just a little too ready to believe them all by now.

This underscores for me that I may want to be a little more critical when I read Winter Watch. And others, with Henry Makow coming to mind. These guys post a lot of good stuff but it’s good to be reminded that every man makes a mistake, or goes down the wrong rabbit hole, sometimes.

Have a good day, sir.

I always found it curious that after a 747 spontaneously combusted in midair, not a single 747 anywhere else in the world was ever grounded.

You don’t call ground control from the air, Sparkon, first of all. Anyway, disorientation could easily have happened 13 miles out. What gets people in trouble is looking down inside the plane for various reasons, for too long.

I don’t know about all the rest of that, just the BS that I see in the writing that purports to tell us his flying didn’t kill Kennedy and the 2 women.

As he had done previously on numerous occasions, including at night and in bad weather, John Kennedy Jr. had flown his Piper Saratoga II TC to within about 13 miles of Martha’s Vineyard Airport after safely completing most of the approx. 180 mile journey, when he contacted ground control there at 9:39 pm, so there was little chance and no reason for him to get disoriented and crash his plane at that point unless somebody or something had messed with it.

A UPI article datelined Aquinnah, Mass July 17 stated that Kennedy radioed the Martha’s Vineyard flight controller at 9:39 PM the evening of July 16. The UPI article notes that WCVB-TV Boston reported this crucial information, as did ABC News.

“At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13 miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach.

… seconds after this call Kennedy’s plane was hurtling straight down into the sea.

This crucial information was reported by those news services noted and others on Saturday July 17 and early Sunday, July 18. By Monday morning July 18 [sic], ALL MENTION of this critically important communication had been ERASED from mass media accounts of the disaster. Simultaneously and suspiciously, on July 18 FAA and NTSB officials produced some “newly found” radar “evidence” which supposedly showed Kennedy’s flight exhibiting signs of difficulties and irregularities at a time well BEFORE Kennedy made his radio contact, at which time all conditions were fine. THAT’S WHY all mention of this radio contact has been EXPUNGED from “official” accounts.

https://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/WasJFKJR.Murdered.html
[caps in original]

Several people who were on a nearby beach initially reported seeing and/or hearing an explosion in the sky at around 9:40 pm that night, but most of those witnesses have now clammed up or disappeared.

“A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw “big white flash in the sky” off Philbin Beach.”

There is an unsourced report that GHW Bush and George W. Bush were seen in the company of Michael Harari at Essex County airport not long before Kennedy, his pregnant wife and sister-in-law were killed when Kennedy’s plane went down just offshore of Martha’s Vineyard.

Two witnesses told the team they saw George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush at the Essex County, New Jersey airport with Israeli Mossad agent Michael Harari, … and another Mossad agent who were both seen standing next to JFK Jr.’s Cessna [sic], all four were at the airport just two days before the doomed plane took off with JFK, Jr., his pregnant wife and her sister.

xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6fa19q/the_plane_piloted_by_john_f_kennedy_jr_exploded/

Sorry to sound like a bit of a jerk-off at the end, Mr. Temple. I don’t mind this at all, so here goes. This might be loooong.

1)

John John was a VFR (Visual Flight Rules) pilot without an instrumentation rating. However, on March 12, 1999, he completed the FAA’s written airplane instrument examination and received a passing score of 78 percent.

This is in support of his being a good pilot or ready to fly in the clouds. No. First off, the instrument rating is one in which knowing the rules and regulations and understanding the (pretty simple) workings of the aircraft instruments for this flying, airspace, clearances, etc. does not correlate very much to the flying skills involved. Those skills are a good “scan”, the ability to multitask, and just more precise flying.

Beyond that, one needs a 70 to pass all these FAA written (computer, now) tests, so that 78 means, per a funny flight examiner I know, “he wasted 8 points”. ;-} I.e., that’s not a very good score. It’s easy to ace or at least get in the mid-90s if you study.

2) “He passed a “complex airplaneâ€� flight test in the new Piper…” It’s not a test, just an endorsement. It means an instructor went with him, and John John remembered to put the gear down.

3) “The authorities claimed this experienced pilot failed to file a flight plan.” Failed? VFR (Visual Flight Rules) pilots, especially since GPS, have no reason to file a flight plan. It’s worthless. Even back in the day, most pilots filed a flight plan only during training.

Those were just minor errors that shows Mr. Winter doesn’t know much, but they don’t affect the story too much. Then,

4)

Other pilots flying similar routes on the night of the accident reported no visual horizon while flying over the water because of haze.� How do those two sentences possibly combine?

This doesn’t even make any sense. What reports? It’s part of flying. In summertime haze even over land it’s hard to see a good horizon, much less over water at dusk or dark. It’s still legal to fly VFR in the conditions there were that evening, but one has to make reference to the instruments.

5)

But NTSB can claim anything apparently- because weather radar tapes from late Friday night and early Saturday morning for this region are reportedly missing. What a coinkydink.

Weather radar tapes? Whaaa? One may find the old radar pictures somewhere, though the web was kinda new then. Whatever, storms were not a part of this story. Weather radar is for seeing precipitation. It doesn’t give you anything else.

6)

He [Ed Meyer] stated in his report that visibility in the region was at least very good on the evening of July 16.

“At least very good” does not sound like a report. “Greater than 5 miles”? Sure. No matter, over mostly water, it’s easy to get disoriented doing VFR flying without a good scan of the instruments. There’s no good horizon.

7)

Between December 1997 and April 1998, he flew about 53 hours, of which 43 were flown with a CFI on board. In April 1998, he passed his private pilot flight test. During 1998, he flew 179 hours, including about 65 hours without a CFI on board.

The text before this did indeed paint a picture of a guy with a decent amount of experience – 700 hours is pretty good for a private pilot. However, this 114 hours out of 179 with an instructor onboard means this:

I’ve known businessmen like this. They want to get trained, but they don’t have the time to do it properly (in this case, for Mr. Kennedy, for his instrument rating – one of the hardest ratings) So, they get a pilot who’s (especially in that day, when getting jobs was still difficult) only too glad to get hours and paid vacations to fly with the guy and teach him as much as the guy will allow him too.**

Just as he got smart and got his private certificate down in Florida (Vero Beach), so that he could concentrate without distractions, Mr. Kennedy should have done the same for this rating. Basically, he didn’t feel confident a lot, so he only flew in the best conditions. That’s being prudent – I have not said that he was reckless, so I agree with Russ Winter on that point.

For both the private pilot and this work on his instrument rating (while going places to make use of his plane too of course), Mr. Kennedy spent WAY too much time with instructors. On a good weather day what you do is get a “safety pilot” to go along, so you can practice and build confidence. The student (Kennedy) would wear a hood or “googles” to obscure the outside, while the (must be private-pilot) safety pilot watches for airplanes, airspace, or stupid moves. However, there’s no instructor to give little hints, so you learn better habits.

8) Radio contact. The guy was VFR. Yes, he had to call the tower within 5 miles, and then get cleared to land. However, one can go across the USA VFR without talking to a soul on the radio if he wants. (You gotta miss certain pieces of airspace is all.) Why is the radio communication important? “He than reportedly said he was making his final approach.” Doesn’t make too much sense. You call the guy with position and such, and then at some point he clears you to land. Why would he call “making my final approach”? This guy doesn’t understand how it works.

There’s lots more – I’ll write more on the search & rescue and wreckage later, though that’s not something I know so much about. As I wrote to Mr. Unz, with the mistakes involving the aviation story, I’m confused about what this guy’s theory is.

I’m not at all saying it couldn’t have been nefarious though. It’d be easier to sabotage that Piper than some big airliner that’s inspected and monitored more

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* There are exceptions. One can get a local clearance when airborne.

** Think about this: Are you going to be a hardass instructor pushing the nose down hard and “I told you 3,000 ft, g–dammit!” (Yes, it’s good for you!), when Mr. Kennedy can hire another guy who he “gets along with better”, or would you just go with the flow. Try to correct him – I’m sure Mr. Kennedy was no dummy, but there’s no point in pushing him to get this rating next month. After all, that’d be the end of this gig, wouldn’t it?

I don’t need to believe conspiracy theories to know that the USA has been a phony corrupt organism since the beginning. The stuff our leaders brag about, like the destruction of British goods in Boston Harbor, the American Civil War, the “Reconstruction”, the Wilson rape of Germany after WWI and the atomic bombing of civilians in Japan, is enough to convince me that the USA is the Great Satan and the Empire of Lies.

It would seem that the chickens might be coming home to roost, though.

I thought that McVeigh told everyone that he was radicalized by his participation in the killing of men, women and children civilians in one of our many patriotic wars several thousands of miles away. I forget which one.

Wow. I read every word. Anyone who tries to say that unz is not an exceptional fellow must be suffering from myopia.

For you and commenter Jefferson Temple: Regarding the death of JFK Jr., I have a bunch of comments under Mr. Guyenot’s old article “The Broken Presidential Destiny of JFK, Jr.”.

I don’t at all mind going over the parts of that Russ Winter article that are wrong or misleading, and there’s nothing that technical or hard to understand in what I’ll write (in a few minutes, directly to Mr. Temple.)

I am not saying that I know all the rest of the story. For example, though I’ve followed American politics way back before this 1999 event, it’s not like I kept up with New York. Therefore, that Mr. Kennedy wanted to run for the seat that the Hildabeast obtained is already a hell of a motive, and something I hadn’t know about before. (The Clintons don’t screw around when they want their way – I disagree with you that they were sort of harmless, Mr. Unz.)

There are other areas I don’t know about, in the WinterWatch article and wherever. However:

1) When a writer gets lots of things wrong in an area that I DO know lots about, I lose confidence in all the rest of his story. What other “experts” did he get info from who were not experts, or that gave him info that he misunderstood?

2) Some of the things I see wrong connect up with other parts of the writer’s story, so whatever explanation there is in total is confusing.

Not exactly OT because we have just touched on the question of whose judgmentwe trust, and why. So far I think you have been let down by Scott Ritter,Larry C. Johnson and,probably, Douglas Macgregor, but the great cheer squad for the USG and NATO , often very respectable such as Yale economists from memory, who licked their lips about what sanctions were doing to Russia, have not How Putin’s technocrats saved the economy to fight a war they opposed – very prescient if one accepts this FT reporting

How Putin’s technocrats saved the economy to fight a war they opposed – https://on.ft.com/3BDYMmA via @FT

I am confident that the doubts I had about the effectiveness of sanctions by the end of Febtuary were expressed in my UR comments. My only claim to an advantage in prediction is that I can envisage pretty clearly the kind of ingenuity creative tax lawyers use to beat the plodders in Treasury and legislative drafting and that is what I suppose has been deployed in Miscow.

This seems like disinformation. There’s quoted court transcripts of the perps, unless you want to speculate far

How did so many Alabanians end up in Serbian Kosovo?

Greater Albania? Where does it start?

Check out these two Shqiptar aka Albanian “leaders” of Occupied Kosovo and their GA map:

#Kosovo's separatist leaders pose with "Greater #Albania" map which includes #Epirus and #Corfu https://t.co/70q43VGbW5 via @greekcitytimes

— DuÅ¡an S. Spasojević (@DS_Spasojevic) December 15, 2022

You are a simpleton and there is likely no hope for you. C’est la vie…

Senger and Couey simply suggest that the healthcare/security response to Covid19, was purposely and methodically blown way out of proportion… and has been driven by “malevolent� actors (hopefully not including Sachs?) whose objectives are to further construct a global live-in-fear security state…

Let me toss this out, Steve. Currently, I am reading ‘The Premonition’ by Michael Lewis. https://www.amazon.com/Premonition-Pandemic-Story-Michael-Lewis/dp/0393881555/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1671144540&sr=1-1

It’s interesting to be reading it now with it having been written probably 3 and 4Q 2020 into Jan 2021, given the book pubbed in May 2021. We know so much more now than we did then so, some of what is stated in the book looks rather naive in comparison and I doubt the author interpreted some of the events he reports on in the same way that I did.

Example (and this relates to the blockquote, above): In Chapter 3, he describes that POTUS Bush, Jr, in Summer 2005, read a book called: The Great Influenza by John Barry (gee, I wonder who gave him that unusual book?). After reading it, apparently, he got torqued about the USA having no official pandemic plan in place. (Strange thing to be angry about – just go create one.) He convened some experts in the WH in mid-Oct, a barebones plan was produced two weeks later and in less than a week after that Bush had made a pointed presentation to the NIH about it and insisted Congress allocate 7 Billion dollars for this sketch of a plan for a problem that was not known to be an imminent threat. Congress gave that total to him straight away. I say: “WTH”!?

My take: That ^^^ and the subsequent stitching together of experts and a more fleshed-out plan was an intentional mapping of how the Feds would handle the pandemic that they knew was eventual b/c they were going to create it. That early work provided hugely valuable info about all aspects of Govt, Docs/healthcare and citizen response, etc. But, I’m guessing author Lewis doesn’t preceive it that way.

Then, a bit later in the book, he writes about how the CDC and WHO had very subdued responses during the early couple of months of Covid coming from China and starting to be detected here. See, I read that and my take is, Yeah, they were waiting for it to ramp-up here. They wanted it to spread. (Pelosi making a televised display of going to San Fran Chinatown, the early low-key comments from Fauci, no tests available, etc.)

Perhaps the author would be surprised to hear me state that his book, actually, shows some of the early groundwork laid by the Feds for feeling-out and testing pandemic strategies. Lol, no premonitions.

You may have seen this. They basically announced in Oct 2022 that they have another bioweapon teed-up for launch soon. https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/2022-catastrophic-contagion/