Promoting affordable family formation rather than immigration makes sense in a nation whos population is falling(IE ours).

Assad is being propped up by Syria’s long standing backer: Russia. Though it is not the reason he is doing it, Putin is getting ample revenge on the West. He must be laughing his head off.

A non-demographic time bomb.

That’s the lesser evil.

Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, etc all belong in a retirement home in The Villages, Florida.

Hey!!! Those are fighting words right there Mister. You just keep your Yankee Socialists up there in Yankeeland where you bred them. We don’t need their kind in Florida. Already got too many in South Florida and Orlando as it is.

If they were honestly concerned about white birth rates then they could advocate for polices to increase the white birth rate but they *never* do.

It’s not that they fail to encourage white reproduction, they do *everything* short of surgical sterilization to *prevent* white reproduction. They demoralize us from the moment we can understand language. They destroy and deprive us of heroes and role models. George Washington? No longer the greatest American, but an evil fascist imperialist privileged white slave owner. Our greatest President, we are told, was the American Stalin – Murderin’ Abe Lincoln. Second greatest was American socialist FDR. Etc. Long gone is entertainment that celebrated American pioneers, today we celebrate grotesqueries with steatopygia like Lardassian who bed Africans. Our girls are told that having kids is a crime against the earth, that we are “over-populated” already. Our boys are told it is cooler to become a girl like Bruce Jenner. The ones in whom the indoctrination doesn’t “take” are enlisted and sent to be maimed or die in the desert. And if any accidents happen and a white kid is born, parents are instructed sternly to drug the kid stupid and turn him over to “professionals” so they can both work 60 hour weeks to pay for more welfare for Africans and mestizos.

The West can’t blame corporations on wealthy elites for this particular mess, it’s the fault of our own looney middle class liberals. It’s kind of like a 21st century version of 17th Century religious hysteria.

So these SWPL types came by their anti-white views entirely on their own then? They didn’t come from communist agitators embedding in the schools and social institutions?

Perhaps in AU there was less communist activism than in America. I can see where our Hollywood communists would infect the English speaking world via our entertainment exports. But I can’t believe that AU was exempted from the relentless communist long march through the institutions which has brought America (and Europe) to her present hour of crisis.

The spike in live births coincides with an collapse in real estate prices and a boom in commodity prices. Immigrants and foreign investors cannot get into Iceland easily

So when whites have a good future that they can predict, they have kids? Who knew?

One little discussed reason my generation didn’t have many kids was the Cold War. When you’re raised hiding under your desk at school because the Russians were about to nuke you into oblivion, you tend not to think ahead much. What does any of it matter – we will all be dead next week anyway..

Here’s a photo of a cuckoo chick helping a reed warbler defuse the demographic time bomb in the warbler’s nest:

Best Comment on the Japanese Deglobalisation article:

The first Edo collapsed when the United States navy opened up the Japanese market with the arrival of Commodore Perry’s “black ships” in 1853.

Oh God, don’t go giving the US navy any ideas …

What do they say about guys like Tsarnaev, etc? They were, not integrated, scorned, impoverished – ie, it wasn’t them, it was the US. Fair enough, what should the US do about it? – Get more of them. Is there at any point where we can expect incoming refugees to be grateful?
No.

Well, as long as they’re honest about it.

At a loss how the SWPL can be high and mighty about the environment. And then willingly invite a population from the 3rd world who demonstrably don’t care at all about resources nor preserving the environment.

It doesn’t matter who they are, what they believe, or how their behavior might change after emigrating. The inescapable problem is that their emigration makes room for more people in their country of origin.

Excellent points. Is it known that the majority of these persons are Syrians?

Thanks. It is not known with certainty to me that the majority of these people are Syrians, but I believe that’s how it is being reported and I was just assuming so for the sake of argument. However, even if they are not, the arguments should still apply, mutatis mutandis.

Excellent points. Is it known that the majority of these persons are Syrians?

I’d like to begin with a question:

What if Angela Merkel threw a party for 800,000 people, but not all 800,000 people came?

Steve is quite right that demographics involves much more than those who are currently bandying the term about realize. But even if we confine ourselves simply to “age structure and warm bodies,” it’s still more complicated than WaPo is making it out to be.

Simply swelling the adult population of a country by importing immigrants does nothing to reverse a demographic decline. It does not, in and of itself, result in any more children being born, and consequently it does not improve the fertility rate. Several commenters above have mentioned that the Syrians now flooding into Germany likely will have much higher fertility rates while in Germany than the native German population. I would not be so sure about that. If we are to assume that the low fertility of Western women is not the result of some organic condition peculiar to them but has been brought about by a complex mixture of enculturation, unenlightened self-interest, economic pressure, and leftist propaganda, then it seems reasonable to predict that these same factors will begin to work on the immigrant population as well. Materialism, shortsightedness, and vanity are not unique to Western mankind; and we still have not even accounted for the fact that these immigrants are 75% male, and there aren’t enough women among them to mount a breeding campaign. To all those who are nursing fantasies that the young Syrian studs will impregnate eager German women, I will simply say “don’t count on it.” Girls who are not interested in forming families with their much better positioned German males are not going to form them with relatively unstable refugees, either. They won’t even bear their children “accidentally,” not as long as contraception and abortion remain legal. In this instance the case of the United States is illustrative. Despite the huge numbers of Hispanics we have been burdened with (excuse me, “privileged to host”), the TFR of America is nevertheless a sub-replacement 1.9.

But while the claimed benefits to the immigrant receiving country never actually materialize, the adverse effects on the emigrant emitting country are positively devastating. The sending country–Syria in this case–has lost practically an entire generation of workers and breeders. It has distorted the native population pyramid and economy beyond repair. When a significant fraction of your work force and breeding stock simply disappears, there is no way to plug that hole. The only course of action is to contract, and subsist at a lower level of economic existence. That usually invites social problems which ultimately result in more of the same, but to discuss those now would take us too far afield.

When seen under this realist aspect, we can understand Merkel’s immigration policy for what it is. It is “Keynesianism with people” rather than Keynesianism with credit-money. In other words, it is a one-time parlor trick whereby the entire available adult population of the world is converted into economic cannon fodder for the Empire, leaving both the future and the provinces denuded of people. One wonders where she thinks she got the right to do it. If the Syrians had any sense, they would not go to Germany; they would not fall for the trick. At some point the flood of refugees will exhaust the supply of the sending country, and that will happen long before we reach the point of “800,000 this year, and 500,000 more every year thereafter.”

So again I ask the question I began with: What if Angela Merkel threw a world-party, but not all the world came?

Euro immigrants expect decent wages and working conditions. Syrians and other third world refugees will take whatever is given.

How much is it worth for a young male Syrian to get out of a Turkish refugee camp and into Germany? Lets say he is age 24. $1,000,000 is my guesstimate. Easily done even if he just a bakery worker for the next 40 years until age 64. If he brings a Syrian wife over and they have 3-5 children they will get all kinds of social welfare payments and subsidized medical so add this to the monetary bonanza for the Syrian born Muslim husband and wife .

Euro immigrants expect decent wages and working conditions. Syrians and other third world refugees will take whatever is given.

The search for cheap labor will never stop.

Who knew the extinction of the West would be due to simple innumeracy and the inability to think about exponential growth?

Has nothing to do with innumeracy but everything with culture. But, I guess, historians of Correlli Barnett’s statue are not in demand in Anglo-Saxon World. Well, him and Enoch Powell, of course.

Liberal economist Dean Baker sees things differently. He says that with normal economic growth in a First World country, retirees can be provided the same standard of living by a smaller workforce, and that workforce will still have a higher standard of living than their parents did. And a smaller workforce increases the capital to labor ratio, meaning workers have more capital available with which to be productive. Fewer people also means lower housing costs and a cleaner environment. Baker disputes the notion of a “demographic time bomb.”

Sailer made the obvious point in his OP about why this is a bad idea.

But I’d also like to point out that this argument fails on its own terms. Fertility seems to be driven by the cost of family formation. The cost of family formation is driven way up when locals have to protect themselves or flee from all of the diversity. And as the costs of family formation goes up, fertility goes down.

These policies are just making the Demographic bomb worse.

Yes, that’s all great Steve, but for almost any technical word invented to systematize kinds of difference its subsidiary meanings are hierarchical, which is why “demo” is a useful term at all (e.g. in TV ratings, it always refers to, *but never ONLY to*, the cross-section of age, as interacts with race, ZIP code, enthusiasm for Prilosec, etc. as compounding factors). Age i.e. the given proportions of human existence is the driver of the abstraction, more than college degrees or # of cats in the house. So it’s conceptually fundamental to the term, much of the time, even if not intrinsic to ALL demographic study. What you are bitching about here is petty; at worst the lay journalists are euphemizing to paper over the political tar baby, not “attacking science.” The post sounds like the geology professor or comic book twerp during the movie whining that volcano smoke doesn’t come out that way or that Thor can only throw his hammer south across the body when frost giants attack, per established canon of Asgard physics

All this talk of low-birth rates in Germany, but very little talk of root causes beyond the usual women in the work force, delayed marriage, too few daycare centers et al. claptrap. My guess is the hidden variable here is WW2, or more specifically Germany’s over the top self-flagellation for the sins of the Third Reich. Two successive generations of Germans have been taught to utterly reject and condemn even the notion of a good and virtuous Germanic identity. Self-hate is a powerful disincentive to having children.

It should come as no surprise then that Japan and Italy are both in lock-step with their Tripartite accomplice in having among the lowest birth rates in all of the world.

“Politicians tend to be old (how old was Reagan?), but what you say is true, and we’re starting to see it with the anti-white agitations in colleges, etc. The Democrats are going to change color soon, and those who engineered it will not find it as pleasant as they thought.”

The Democratic Party claims it is the party of the Blacks, the Browns, and the young Millennials, yet the Democratic Party leadership is the extreme opposite of all 3 of those.

Really incredible. Decades and decades of heavy breathing about population control reversed in a matter of what, the last 2-3 years? Complete assholes.

“The end result is that 25 years from now 20% or more of the German population will be comprised of Third Worlders who have arrived since 2015.”

Who knew the extinction of the West would be due to simple innumeracy and the inability to think about exponential growth?

(Unless you’ve been working hard for that goal for a long time… it probably takes a combination of both.)

Defuse?

It is suffering the damage from the explosion under way that grows bigger and bigger.

Just ask the Native Americans whether or not all that immigration helped defuse their demographic time bomb.

From here: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/09/immigration-is-invasion.html

A better bomb metaphor would have today’s “migrant” vanguard acting as the detonator for the far bigger “migrations” to come.

Actually this pro-refugee hysteria a largely a bottom up rather than top down movement.

Not a chance. The mass media lead the way as always. They’re full of messages — like this one by Piketty — urging attitudes and policies that will wipe out the indigenous European population.

I think you are confusing those who control the megaphone — the chattering class — with the mass of middle class and working class persons. Polls in all developed western countries consistently show a widespread desire that borders be controlled and immigration limited. This is reflected in rising percentages of votes for UKIP and similar parties and the widespread — and to the chattering class shocking — support for Trump in the USA.

“If younger is better, why don’t the over 65 years of age senior citizen dinosaurs who run The Democratic Party step down and give up their power to the darker skin and younger generation of Democrats. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, etc all belong in a retirement home in The Villages, Florida.”

Oh, right. Just dump all those old farts on Florida and change our demographics, while you keep all the vibrant young folks.

“What about all the Poles and unemployed Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, etc.? Wasn’t this the point of the EU’s free movement of people concept? They have plenty of similar people who could come if they needed them.”

I believe the Germans concluded that Christians from Greece, Italy and Spain did not assimilate as well as Muslim Turks.

At a loss how the SWPL can be high and mighty about the environment. And then willingly invite a population from the 3rd world who demonstrably don’t care at all about resources nor preserving the environment. And the big fallacy remains bringing in more people doesn’t help anything if they are really a financial and resource drag on your economy . Fewer people dividing up water, land, resources, etc. has to be better deal.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/347

Immigrants are substantial cost to the UK, even with large scale European working age population included. Still not convinced they have included all the cost immigrants impose in these figures.

But in detail, the Germans did not displace the Romans. They occupied vacant land … land the Romans could no longer populate due to their demographic implosion (a.k.a. Roman women ceasing to have babies).

Nonsense.

The borders of the Roman empire were depopulated because of raids from beyond the borders. The tribes were then invited in to guard the border.

Rome rotted from the inside because their corrupted elite imported millions of slaves crushing the small farmers and artisans – i.e. exactly the same as now.

When I was growing up in the 50’s, Italy was supposed to be a country with an abnormally high rate of population growth attributable in no small part to the Vatican’s opposition to birth control. But it turned out that the perception lagged the actual statistics, for Italy was rapidly on its way to one of the lowest population growth rates in Europe. It turns out that the good Catholics of Italy were not only turning a deaf ear to the instructions of the Pope when it came to birth control but other population control methods as well.

This verbal jujitsu never ceases to amaze…

And yet all of it 100% consistent.

Whatever the context the media promotes whichever option is worst for white people.

Was the United States a horrible place in 1950 when there were ‘only’ 157 million of us. 1960 when, in the midst of the baby boom we had grown to 182 million? California had just under 8 million people in 1940. You could drive the speed limit all the way to Santa Rosa or San Jose from San Francisco and San Francisco had everything it has today except some ugly glass towers and derelicts. When you look at population numbers in terms of quality of life ‘bigger is not better’ unless you are in real estate.

I disagree that the elite want us destroyed

The simple fact is they use birth rates to promote immigration without *ever* suggesting policies for increasing the native birth rate.

You don’t need to wipe a nation out to the last person to destroy it as a nation.

The poisonous media culture in white countries has been actively anti-natal for decades and that’s on top of the economic considerations of higher housing costs due to immigration and constant white flight from “bad schools”.

And their children will still be alive and paying for their parent’s stupid thinking.

When the first European strangers came to Hiawatha’s tribe, he showed them that the established environment was idyllic.

The first novelty was the strangers’ different religion, but the tribe accepted the new religious difference respectfully and even helped to spread it.

Came the Black-Robe chief, the Prophet,
He the Priest of Prayer, the Pale-face,
With his guides and his companions.

And the noble Hiawatha,
With his hands aloft extended,
Held aloft in sign of welcome,
….
Then the joyous Hiawatha
Cried aloud and spake in this wise :

Beautiful is the sun, O strangers,
When you come so far to see us !
All our town in peace awaits you,
All our doors stand open for you ;
You shall enter all our wigwams,
For the heart’s right hand we give you.

Never gloomed the earth so gayly,
Never shone the sun so brightly,
As today they shine and blossom
When you come so far to see us !

Never was our lake so tranquil,
Nor so free from rocks and sand-bars ;
For your birch-canoe in passing
Has removed both rock and sand-bar !

Never before had our tobacco
Such a sweet and pleasant flavour,
Never the broad leaves of our corn-fields
Were so beautiful to look on,
As they seem to us this morning,
When you come so far to see us !

And the Black-Robe chief made answer,
Stammered in his speech a little,
Speaking words yet unfamiliar :

Peace be with you, Hiawatha,
Peace be with you and your people,
Peace of prayer, and peace of pardon,
Peace of Christ, and joy of Mary !

Then the generous Hiawatha
Led the strangers to his wigwam,
Seated them on skins of bison,
Seated them on skins of ermine,

And the careful, old Nokomis
Brought them food in bowls of bass-wood,
Water brought in birchen dippers,
And the calumet, the peace-pipe,
Filled and lighted for their smoking.

All the old men of the village,
All the warriors of the nation,
All the Jossakeeds, the prophets,
The magicians, the Wabenos,
And the medicine-men, the Medas,
Came to bid the strangers welcome ;
” It is well,” they said, ” O brothers,
That you come so far to see us ! ”

In a circle round the doorway,
With their pipes they sat in silence,
Waiting to behold the strangers,
Waiting to receive their message ;

…..

Then the Black-Robe chief, the prophet,
Told his message to the people,
Told the purport of his mission,
Told them of the Virgin Mary,
And her blessed Son, the Saviour,

How in distant lands and ages
He had lived on earth as we do ;
How he fasted, prayed, and laboured ;
How the Jews, the tribe accursed,
Mocked him, scourged him, crucified him ;
How he rose from where they laid him,
Walked again with his disciples,
And ascended into heaven.

And the chiefs made answer, saying :

We have listened to your message,
We have heard your words of wisdom,
We will think on what you tell us.

It is well for us, O brothers,
That you come so far to see us !

Then they rose up and departed
Each one homeward to his wigwam,
To the young men and the women
Told the story of the strangers
Whom the Master of Life had sent them
From the shining land of Wabun.

The West can’t blame corporations on wealthy elites for this particular mess, it’s the fault of our own looney middle class liberals.

Of course they can. The media have been mounted a concerted campaign to bounce the public into this deliberately manipulating the empathic responses of the European peoples in order to destroy them.

The entire media has been engaged in this campaign 24/7 – and yet only a minority of SWPLs have fallen for it.

The media then use this minority of SWPLs to justify it after the fact.

This has been a psyop from day one.

Suddenly foreseeing the invasion of the White men and the dispersal of the Indians, Hiawatha realizes stoically that soon he will lose his idyllic environment.

His vision had foretold that the White Men’s arrival would be preceded by swarms of insects (Ahmo) and bees, and Hiawatha already sees those swarms flying westward through the forest.

Hiawatha recognizes that soon he himself will have to move westward.

By the shore of Gitche Gumee,
By the shining Big-Sea-Water,
At the doorway of his wigwam,
In the pleasant Summer morning,
Hiawatha stood and waited.

All the air was full of freshness,
All the earth was bright and joyous,
And before him, through the sunshine,
Westward toward the neighbouring forest
Passed in golden swarms the Ahmo,
Passed the bees, the honey-makers,
Burning, singing in the sunshine.

Bright above him shone the heavens,
Level spread the lake before him ;
From its bosom leaped the sturgeon,
Sparkling, flashing in the sunshine ;

On its margin the great forest
Stood reflected in the water,
Every tree-top had its shadow,
Motionless beneath the water.

From the brow of Hiawatha
Gone was every trace of sorrow.
As the fog from off the water,
As the mist from off the meadow.

With a smile of joy and triumph,
With a look of exultation,
As of one who in a vision
Sees what is to be, but is not,
Stood and waited Hiawatha.

Toward the sun his hands were lifted,
Both the palms spread out against it,
And between the parted fingers
Fell the sunshine on his features,
Flecked with light his naked shoulders,
As it falls and flecks an oak-tree
Through the rifted leaves and branches.

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s Song of Hiawatha ends with the imminent dispersal of the American Indian tribes by European strangers. An Indian traveler named Iagoo tells Hiawatha’s tribe that he recently has been to the east coast and seen a huge ship with tall masts and sails. The ship is full of white-face, bearded men.

Came a great canoe with pinions,
A canoe with wings came flying,
Bigger than a grove of pine-trees,
Taller than the tallest tree-tops !
….
In it, said he, came a people,
In the great canoe with pinions
Came, he said, a hundred warriors ;
Painted white were all their faces,
And with hair their chins were covered !

Hiawatha’s tribe mockingly dismisses Iagoo’s report as absurd, but Hiawatha says that he himself has seen a confirming vision. Hiawatha says that the Indians should welcome the strangers but that ultimately the strangers will fill the land and disperse all the Indians westward.

Only Hiawatha laughed not,
But he gravely spake and answered
To their jeering and their jesting :

True is all lagoo tells us ;
I have seen it in a vision,

Seen the great canoe with pinions,
Seen the people with white faces,
Seen the coming of this bearded
People of the wooden vessel
From the regions of the morning,
From the shining land of Wabun.

….

Let us welcome, then, the strangers,
Hail them as our friends and brothers,
And the heart’s right hand of friendship
Give them when they come to see us.
Gitche Manito, the Mighty,
Said this to me in my vision.

I beheld, too, in that vision
All the secrets of the future,
Of the distant days that shall be.
I beheld the westward marches
Of the unknown, crowded nations.

All the land was full of people,
Restless, struggling, toiling, striving,
Speaking many tongues, yet feeling
But one heart-beat in their bosoms.

In the woodlands rang their axes,
Smoked their towns in all the valleys,
Over all the lakes and rivers
Rushed their great canoes of thunder.

Then a darker, drearier vision
Passed before me, vague and cloud-like ;

I beheld our nations scattered,
All forgetful of my counsels,
Weakened, warring with each other ;
Saw the remnants of our people
Sweeping westward, wild and woeful,
Like the cloud-rack of a tempest,
Like the withered leaves of autumn ! ”

THE LIBERAL MEDIA DEMONSTRATES ITS INSTITUTIONALIZED INSANITY AGAIN.
IMMIGRATION BOMB–WEAPON OF CHOICE OF THIS THIRD WORLD’S WAR.

Thanks for exposing this, Steve.

So they want to destroy the demographic time bomb with the immigration bomb?

It is as insane as saying the palm trees in the garden are getting old so let us bomb them with napalm.

Our Sacred Corporate Overlords don’t like it when the human livestock stop reproducing….gotta get more livestock in the pens….The Holy Corporate Profits shall not drop! The number of workers and consumers shall rise!

Inspired by Scott Adams’ postings on Donald Trump, here is some “re-branding” that might be favorable to the Forces of Sanity. It could be a good idea, whenever grammar and logic permit, to replace the phrase”Illegal Immigration” with the phrase “Importing War” (which I think I stole from F.P. Barbieri). Thus, “We must stop illegal immigration” becomes “We must stop importing war“, “Billionaires love illegal immigration” becomes “Billionaires love to import war“, etc. First of all, the latter is a more active phrase- illegality is an abstract concept, equally at home in some airy Platonic Third Realm as it is in the world of human activity. “To import”, though, is a verb, which naturally raises the question, “If war is being imported, who is doing the importing?” Taking the focus off of the migrants and onto the politicians who encourage lawbreaking puts attention back where it should be.

“Illegal”, despite the attempts of spin doctors to replace it with “undocumented”, also doesn’t create the strongest imagery, or “anchor”, in the mind. Lots of Americans have engaged in activity that is technically illegal- smoking grass, hosting a poker game, double-parking, etc. We associate the term with things that are somewhat unpleasant, but generally impossible to completely suppress, like the drug trade. “Immigrant” also doesn’t always paint a useful image in the mind. Most Americans are on friendly terms with at least a few immigrant co-workers. Say “immigrant”, and many people will think of their pal Vladimir from IT, not the Tsarnaev brothers. “War” is a far more vivid word, calling to mind artillery-shattered cityscapes and hospitals full of bleeding, screaming patients.

It’s not a perfect replacement, even apart from the grammatical difference- violence and bloodshed are hardly the only problems created by mass immigration, and the term is much more applicable to certain immigrant groups than it is to others- but “Politicians are completely indifferent to the future wars that they are importing to our country” does have a certain ring to it, does it not?

You can always export the surplus to other countries suffering from the demographic catastrophe of less-than-Singapore population densities. Its a big world.

Sorry, it would be impossible to reference a lifetime of fascination and reading about the decline and fall of the Western Roman Empire. As a starter, try Gibbon’s “Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” … all six volumes.

Politicians tend to be old (how old was Reagan?), but what you say is true, and we’re starting to see it with the anti-white agitations in colleges, etc. The Democrats are going to change color soon, and those who engineered it will not find it as pleasant as they thought.

This is why I always wondered about Steve’s enthusiasm for ‘affordable family formation’. If you have more than 2 kids indefinitely, won’t your culture eventually run out of space?

That’s hilarious.

I’ve noted this on other threads, but the consequences of what are often sold as small levels of Immigration, like “just” 0.5% of your population per year in immigration per year, are enormous.

Let 400,000 Third Worlders immigrate into Germany, a country of 80 million, each year. Germany has a stagnant population, so sans immigration the population in 25 years, roughly the length of a generation, would still be 80 million. But to that 80 million you’ve now added (25 x 400,000) immigrants – 10 million people. So now the population is 90 million, 11% of whom are immigrants.

But wait – that’s before accounting for the fact that the immigrants are far more likely to be of breeding age, while for the purposes of reproduction over half of Germany’s current population is effectively dead.

It’s before accounting for the fact that immigrant birthrates are probably twice those of native Germans.

The end result is that 25 years from now 20% or more of the German population will be comprised of Third Worlders who have arrived since 2015. Most Germans alive today will still be alive in 25 years. They might want to think about that, and not just in ways that make them feel all warm and fuzzy for 10 seconds or so.

My wife and I tried to defuse the “demographic time bomb” last night. We did it by engaging in intercourse. It was more fun than importing half-a-million Muslims a year. The Germans oughta try it.

That line makes me think of the Hooters:

Video Link

“people should be trained in the west and sent back “ like Bashar al-Assad was?

Too bad we don’t have a megaphone to push back on the use of the word “bomb” in reference to population decline here.

When a bomb explodes, it’s a bad thing.

When the population declines, you get high wages and low housing costs.

These doomsayers should have to explain why they are against high wages and low housing costs.

> What happened to the Romans (I mean Europeans)? The history of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire continues to enlighten.

This sounds like a Just-So Story. References?

“What about all the Poles and unemployed Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, etc.?” because it seems like every man-jack of them (and their girls) has made a bee-line for the UK and Eire. It used to be transnational coffee-chains and specious Middle-eastern barbers’ shops or Eastasian noodle joints and nail bars on every street corner.
Until now, I never realised we had such a critical deficit in tapas bars, piekarnie, delikatesy, �άφτης, and so on.

Of course, being strictly cash-businesses like all their predecessors, the tills are always full to bursting despite the mysterious lack of actual visible customers.

Here is how the Sabines welcomed the Roman migrants.

Hurray for immigration!

Why would Finns feel some need to make up for anything? World War II was just a continuation of a near millennium of history of us being stuck fighting the Russians for some Germanic cause that isn’t planning on giving us equal rights.

The irony is that the biggest cultural corruption we suffered from World War II is that Finns feel overly positive towards Germany and we instantly rushed to make ourselves Germany’s most faithful servant in the EU without any debate. It’s hardly likely an accident that we hopped on the refugee train right after Germany’s choice and right after the elections that saw a personal visit from Angela Merkel to show support for the most pro-EU, pro-multiculturalism of candidates some of whom are now sitting in government.

And the current Finnish government is extremely conservative even by American standards with the center right party being supported by the right-wing party and the so-called far-right-wing populist party. Sipilä spent half a year being intensely hated by the media for his refusal to compromise on his convictions that abortion and homosexuality are morally wrong. I did keep telling my countrymen that hoping for anti-immigration policies from religious conservatives is basically begging for the flood but no one seems to have listened.

What happened to the Romans (I mean Europeans)?

The history of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire continues to enlighten. In the 3rd Century, there were Romans. By the 5th Century, they were gone, replaced by Germanic populations.

But in detail, the Germans did not displace the Romans. They occupied vacant land … land the Romans could no longer populate due to their demographic implosion (a.k.a. Roman women ceasing to have babies). There are documents testifying that the political and economic collapse of the Roman Empire created a climate of uncertainty. Roman women did not want to raise children in that climate. However, where Romans saw uncertainty, the Germanic tribes saw opportunity and reacted with a demographic explosion via immigration and enlarged families.

The Roman demographic suicide also had elements of feminism (yes, feminism is not new). As cultural narcissism and sensuality consumed the Romans, a Roman “princess” in one document commented that Germanic women were faithful wives and mothers and stayed married (“How strange compared to us”, I suppose she meant) … shades of the phrase so common today that Hispanics have such good family values.

There is a principle of ethics that if one wills the means, one wills the end. People are responsible for the consequences of their decisions. In short, women who will “one child for the experience” will the end of their societies and civilizations. This is not hard to understand. It is simple math.

Collier’s book on Clemens sleight of hand arguments: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2XgxAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA58&dq=paul+collier+michael+clemens+who+is+us&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAWoVChMI7Ki_3qPsxwIVQwjbCh1zBwq0#v=onepage&q=paul%20collier%20michael%20clemens%20who%20is%20us&f=false

Collier is fascinating, he basically says migration by the most capable and qualified is the bane of developing countries, and people should be trained in the west and sent back but not allowed to come here just to improve their personal circumstances.. He does not accept HBD, or that the developing counties lose genetic seed corn through migration of their best people, but he knows his stuff about economics and development. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/04/slow-immigration-social-consequences

‘Replacement Migration’, or why everyone’s going to have to live in Korea:- While it would ‘only’ take between 500,000 and a million additional immigrants per year to avert population decline in the EU in the earlier part of the next century, to preserve the current age-structure of the 15 EU countries would require 4.5 million (net) immigrants per year by 2007 and 7 million net per year by 2024 (European Commission, 1996, 1998). That would generate substantial population growth. The UN Report, which extended projections to the much more speculative horizon of 2050, showed spectacular increases in population size through immigration, sufficient to double the size of the EU by 2050. In the extreme case, preserving the current potential support ratio in Korea would require the entire population of the world to live there by 2050 The sensational results from this adventurous projection have been widely interpreted as policy requirements , not speculations from a hypothetical exercise (see UN 2000b) despite the cautions expressed in the report […] Nonetheless mortality change will eventually become the driving force behind all further population ageing in developed countries, if birth rates have now ceased to decline. Migration has nothing to do with any of this. In terms of its effects on age-structure, migration is the weak sister of population dynamics and has been relatively ignored as a demographic process. […]Much of the regular labour migration is of highly skilled professional or business migration, especially inter-company transfers. Exceptional demand in some sectors , notably IT, may justify exceptional new measures according to the UK and German governments, although projected demand for IT workers had already been halved in three months in the face of oncoming economic difficulties . Demand for illegal labour is strong in some sectors, exploited at low wages and with low levels of job protection in marginal areas of the economy. However, variable immigrant labour supply to meet specific skill shortages, welcomed by most countries, is a very different matter from the much more general proposition of immigration to meet demographic deficits.

These countries have capable people but they don’t have an endless supply Michael Clemens“[f] ollowing the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, Clemens led an effort to make Haitians eligible for H-2A and H-2B low-skill temporary work visa program arguing that the economic impact of migration would be far more beneficial that any foreign assistance or aid to the country. In January 2012, the US government added Haiti to the list of countries eligible to participate in the H-2 visa program.” . Here is an interesting bit of Paul Collier’s book, where he mentions Clemens’s ideas “Who is ‘us’?â€�.

Thomas Piketty supports Germany’s appeal for open borders: http://fusion.net/story/195478/for-an-open-europe/

As mass immigration exacerbates inequality, his work will be even more in demand.

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No-Win Scenario Solution

(Kobayashi Maru Scenario)

Perhaps consider the wisdom of James T. Kirk,
the first captain of the Star Trek Enterprise,
from the movie “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan”:
http://pialogue.info/definitions/Anything-Is-Possible-PROOF.php

German was in a No-Win situation and Bush saved them and now they will be building new filling stations and selling many more cars to new Syrian and Iraqi subjects. Civilization is now secure for centuries! More Syrians are being transported to Greece to save Greeks from the Greeks. Better load boats for UK before doomed Brits collapse.

It was Bush genius. Invade Iraq so all these Middle East people would travel to Europe to save the human race from collapse. We better fund Iran and Egypt better too. They can save Africa from Africans. Thanks be to Allah we’ve saved Germany from the Germans. Libya can save Italy from the Italians. Maybe we’ll have a Muslim pope to save Catholics from time bomb.

Paul Ehrlich: The Population Bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qewnc74Wqg

Unpc

‘The Prime Ministers of Australia and New Zealand for example, wanted to keep Syrian refugee intakes to a minimum, but our SWPL community is outraged by their relatively conservative stance, and our centre right politicians lack the bottle to stand up to the sanctimonious wrath of the liberal masses.’

Right. NZ Prime Minister, John Key resisted for at least a week, quite impressive, now conceded. But I think there is a growing if tacit realization that more immigration from the yelling belt is not the best option for our little racist crusader hell-hole.

It’s a predictable scenario ..as if a velcro snowball runs down the slope and attracts more and more media and academic types who trample each other in the rush to take the moral high ground and finger wag the rest of us lowly worms.
I am grateful that these paragons give up their important time and column inches to raise my consciousness and show me the error of my xenophobic thinking .

This just confirms what I’ve been saying.

This is just an attempt to bring in cheap labor, which unions have successfully blocked for many years.

“I’ve noticed, however, that as part of the Narrowing of the Western Mind, the word “demographicsâ€� increasingly means only “age,â€� and with that the assumption that young is better.”

If younger is better, why don’t the over 65 years of age senior citizen dinosaurs who run The Democratic Party step down and give up their power to the darker skin and younger generation of Democrats. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, etc all belong in a retirement home in The Villages, Florida.

The elites who run The Democratic Party look like the cast of the film Cocoon. When will the elites who run The Democratic start resembling their Democratic voting base both age wise and race wise.

This is how you know The Democratic elites are old as dust, the youngest Democrat currently running for president is Martin O’Malley who is 53 years old. 53 years old is considered a spring chicken if you are part of The Democratic elite.

The problem of the demographic time bomb in western countries is like the problem of not having bought enough drinking water, but living right the side of a clean mountain river. It is just never to late to go 50 m and get some water.
There are billions of people who want to immigrate to Europe. It would be no problem at all to wait until the demographic time bomb actually goes off and then take in some millions.
By doing so one would notice that the bomb actually does never do off, because with automation and rising productivity the problem will go away.

[caterers … are struggling to find new workers]

Coffee rotting in the espresso machines.

This fast-graying nation of 81 million is facing a demographic time bomb.

They most certainly are now. The only question is when it will go off.

Germany is rolling out the welcome mat as its unemployment rate has fallen to 6.2 percent — one of the lowest in Europe. Trade and service companies — from caterers to plumbing firms — are struggling to find new workers, with more than 37,000 trainee positions unfilled, according to the Federal Employment Agency.

What about all the Poles and unemployed Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, etc.? Wasn’t this the point of the EU’s free movement of people concept? They have plenty of similar people who could come if they needed them.

Couple that with that fact that many of the asylum seekers — especially Syrians — are highly educated or skilled workers and include doctors, engineers and architects. And suddenly, for Germany, some say, what initially seems like a crisis becomes something else.

Really? There are 800 thousand migrants expected in Germany this year. How many of them are Syrian doctors? The entire nation of Syria might have somewhere in the neighborhood of 34K physicians. So assuming they all go to Germany, then Germany probably shouldn’t take in 800K refugees.

Of course what they don’t mention is how the heck Syria will ever recover from such a massive brain drain. Who is going to practice medicine in Syria? I can’t believe progressives would get excited over taking doctors from poor nations.

As for engineers, I always get a kick out of the so-called Arab engineer. I see so many TV news reports showing students in Egypt, Lebanon, etc, who are always engineering majors and are always unemployed. I wouldn’t count on them contributing much to Germany.

But in the long run, experts predict, many of them will stay and build new lives in Germany rather than return home. In a country projected to shrink by 13.2 million people by 2060, the newcomers could help Germany confront its long-term battle with population decline

This verbal jujitsu never ceases to amaze. First, European populations are bombarded that they should not have too many kids. They are told European peoples have too large a carbon footprint. We mustn’t overpopulate. We need to conserve resources, etc, etc.

Now that Europeans have throttled back they are told they are not growing fast enough and thus need to import non-Europeans, or their population levels might just dip to the levels of the dark ages of 1970. Where are all the proponents of preventing man-made global warming? Don’t they realize all these newcomers are going to increase their carbon footprints in first world nations? Where are all the people who used to tell us we needed to plan our populations to ensure we didn’t exhaust our resources?

White people with high fertility, are typically right-wing and religious.

“Brown” people with high fertility, vote left-wing, and are of an ‘religious minority’.

I disagree that the elite want us destroyed, some loons like Barbara Spectre do, but someone has to pay the taxes and run the bureaucracy. South Africa’s cops are still disproportionately Afrikaner, and the ANC is OK with that.

Regarding the demographic time bomb – this is to a large extent by design as well. Here in Sweden it is feminist dogma that a woman must be well established in her career before even thinking about children. With increased centralization and mechanization, importing of third-worlders and stagnating economy this means starting to think about a family at 35 if you’re lucky!

But I’m told I’m an ignorant Darwinian troglodyte, and as all good people know epigenetics is going to save us (somehow). Maybe time to start thinking about Australia.

The populist right is weakened, akin to Maximus in the final battle of Gladiator, when center-right leaders are in office. We are more respectful of authority, and team players, unlike our populist left brethren.

The SWPLs provide the votes and cachet, but it takes a strong backstop of multinational corps to keep it going when the public’s interest recedes.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106477

140K

The pro invasion petition has 435K

Given recent events, I am not surprised the Greeks have no interest in saving the Germans from the consequences of their own folly.

What’s that circled on the bottom right?

If they were honestly concerned about white birth rates then they could advocate for polices to increase the white birth rate but they *never* do.

That alone proves they are solely motivated by their desire to destroy white national and ethnic groups in whole or in part.

I keep thinking of the Bob Marley song ‘Exodus’.

Actually this pro-refugee hysteria a largely a bottom up rather than top down movement.

Just as the US working class is starting a left field populist revolt, we suddenly have the liberal European and Commonwealth middle-class badgering their political elites to let in lots of unwelcome refugees. Admittedly the elites aren’t putting up much resistance, but you can’t say they aren’t being pressured by SWPLs.

The Prime Ministers of Australia and New Zealand for example, wanted to keep Syrian refugee intakes to a minimum, but our SWPL community is outraged by their relatively conservative stance, and our centre right politicians lack the bottle to stand up to the sanctimonous wrath of the liberal masses.

The West can’t blame corporations on wealthy elites for this particular mess, it’s the fault of our own looney middle class liberals. It’s kind of like a 21st century version of 17th Century religious hysteria.

Back in Iceland:

The Icelandic baby boom – it’s all down to economics

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/18/iceland-baby-boom-recession

The spike in live births coincides with an collapse in real estate prices and a boom in commodity prices. Immigrants and foreign investors cannot get into Iceland easily so that leaves young Icelanders as the marginal buyer.

Iceland is also the Cinderella story of Euro 2016 championship.

Nothing defuses a bomb like a flood.

Any exodus worth its salt needs a theme song. May I suggest “Lord, Won’t You Buy Me a Mercedes Benz”?

Kind of related – the Japanese aren’t worried about ‘demographics’ or globalisation.
“A leading public intellectual Naoki Inose, who is also Tokyo’s vice governor, has declared that “the era of growth is over… Japan is now ready to reconnect with its own tradition of social harmony and zero growth.”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/09/japan-dangerous-deglobalised-dream

Not only do *all* Ponzi schemes collapse – this is a mathematical truism and certainty, which just cannot possibly be disputed – by anyone with a brain, at least – but when they do collapse, they collapse spectacularly and catastrophically, just like the proverbial house of cards or row of dominoes.

The fact is that Italy, for example, has an enormous rate of youth unemployment.
This despite generations’ worth of below replacement fertility rates.
I know that the Italian economy is not fantastic, but somehow, it trundles on giving its citizens a reasonable standard of living.

The problem of using Orwell as a user manual is that there will always be men outside control of the state. Unlike 1984. That was true even in the Soviet Union. Men are primally driven by status. Status is all in the sex and mate market, overlapping. Going all vibrantly Chechen simply raises the stakes for the average White man. No longer sufficient rock climbing, surfing, Xtreme anything, stakes get higher.

Meanwhile elites have an impoverished mind view while those status hungry outsider White native men assuredly do not. The problem with lies by rulers is that rulers tend to believe them. Invading Russia, attacking the US on Dec 7th, etc.

All Ponzi schemes eventually collapse, even if the Third World invaders were net tax contributors, one day they will retire. We can’t assume that we will be able to perpetually grow the population at an exponential rate, unless we colonize some more planets.

Most of Europe is too densely populated, as is. Fertility rates are parly cultural, but also partly related to cost of living.

The Swedes have a word – lagom – that means “enough” in the Goldilocks sense. Less than lagom is too little; more than lagom is too much. Lagom itself is perfect.

A lagom dash of Arabic salt in the Scandinavian melted-snow soup makes it oh-so-vibrant and m’mmm m’mmmm good. (Or so sayeth the multiculti masters.)

What is the lagom number of downtrodden yet buff migrants living in the Nordic countries? It must have a lot of zeroes after it.

Yeah, you’re not seeing a whole lot of sisu these days, are you?

My head explodes every time I watch the news or read the newspapers. My country is being ruined in front of my eyes.

Steve: totally spot on regarding the Ned Flanders types!

This. Though to be accurate, Sipilä currently lives in Sipoo, not in Helsinki. Sipoo is right next to Helsinki.

Also, he probably won’t be paying a single cent of the expenses. Not even while the asylum seekers are in his spare mansion, and certainly not after they are granted asylum and move out to apartments of their own.

I’m astounded that nobody in power is publicly criticizing the role of the Turks in facilitating this invasion of its NATO “ally” Greece. If Obama had the balls to tell the Turks to stop the flow, I’m sure the flow would stop. Of course, Obama goes along with Turkey’s plan to bomb our “allies” the Kurds in exchange for permission to use the Turks’ airbase so we can bomb ISIS, subject to Turkish oversight and restrictions. (There wouldn’t be a long-running civil war in Syria had not Erdogan reversed his position, declared war in effect on Assad and facilitated the flow of jihadists into Syria.) It should be remembered that our NATO “ally’ Turkey refused permission to the U.S. to invade Iraq from the north during the Iraq War of 2003, while our NATO “ally” Greece allowed the U.S. and other allied forces to use the northern city of Thessaloniki to invade Serbia, even though Greece was opposed to that war with Serbia, just as Turkey was opposed to the war with Iraq. (They were each right about the respective wars imo, btw.) When Turks criticize the West’s asylum policies, someone should have the nerve to point out that the West is merely following the past policies of Turkey, which did its best to evict both Armenians and Greeks from Anatolia, despite the fact that they had both been there long before the Ottoman Turks showed up in the neighborhood.

As far as the Greeks are concerned, I am somewhat surprised that their navy is spending more time rescuing drowning refugees (I read that they have recently saved 50 such refugees) rather than sinking one of the overloaded rafts which are entering Greek territorial waters illegally. That might send a message to the people in Turkey facilitating this invasion. In the same way that the best way to stop a riot is to be ruthless at the start and start shooting a few looters in cold blood and without remorse. More damage and greater loss of life may be averted that way than by allowing riots to proceed passively.

The PM should be more worried about his sons…………….

Now, now… they’re Syrians, not Afghans.

(And what’s with the pentellipses?)