“Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified”
The moral outrage should be against Taiwan having anal marriage and everything else the feculent (((American))) Empire demands of its protectorates. The (((US))) is the least moral country in the world, as it’s engaged in genocide against its core population (White Christians).
Justine is a busboy to the head waiter (USA) at the Zionist table.Replies: @GomezAdddams
To Be Agreed March 2023: Canada will send its 2,000 Latvian troops and 4 Leopard tanks and take on Wagner.
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It only gets worse–Ursula Von der Leyen is trying to up her standing to replace Jens Stolenberg as Boss Broad of NATO rather than Chrystia Freeland. Someone called the other night and Morticia was flattered thatthe caller stated Chrystia is more homely than Morticia and that Thing as higher IQ than Amtrak Joe and then this caller stated Justine Trudeau will meet with Joe Biden and the phone will then ring —and Zylenskyy will be on line and this trio will then belt out Hava Nagila !
Already presented. Been there, done that.
"Where is your evidence?"
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Well, I guess I missed it. I apologize for not seeing it. Please point it out again.
BTW, Socrates is reputed to have said that, “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
“Where is your evidence?”
Already presented. Been there, done that.
Looks like you are not only an hypocrite, but also stupid.
See my reply to D Dan just above.
I am waiting. Put up or shut up.
What an arrogant display of hypocrisy and double standard: if you win, violence is fine to settle the dispute, but if China wins, it is morally wrong. This is a perfect illustration of thinking from a country that write "all men are created equal" while kidnapping Black slaves across continents, the same country where millions of its people accept "we lie, we cheat, we steal" and still laughing. I should not be surprised.If China is morally wrong to take Taiwan by force, than US is morally wrong to exist too (out of the many other reasons that it should not exist). Furthermore, what makes you the ultimate arbitrator of whether Taiwan belongs to China?Replies: @Roger
Legality had nothing to do with it. The dispute was settled by brute force and violence..... taking something by force which does not belong to you is theft and it is morally wrong.
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“Hypocrisy definition, a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.” — https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocrisy
“Double standard: a situation in which two people, groups, etc., are treated very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them” — https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/double-standard
You have charged me with both of these and I will plead “Not guilty.” Where is your evidence? Bring it out so that this can be judged. If you can produce any statement of mine which is shown to be hypocritical or unfair, then I will admit wrongdoing and make amends. If you can’t, then I will be absolved.
Please produce facts. No presumptions, no insinuations. Just the cold, hard facts. I don’t think you can do it.
I am waiting. Put up or shut up.
Already presented. Been there, done that.
"Where is your evidence?"
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‘Clash’. A new term for Israeli Death Forces’ murders. Religiously sanctified, too.
in other words… you have no understanding about anything… Taiwan does not belong to the DPP… they stole it… The poor aboriginal people who live in the hills for thousands of years are the owners…. So you should also pack up and go back to Europe. But even if that was the case – China would not allow Taiwan to be another Guam. Matter of fact when will the Americans leave Guam???? Stop being a hypocrite.. The act isn’t working too well.
Legality had nothing to do with it. The dispute was settled by brute force and violence….. taking something by force which does not belong to you is theft and it is morally wrong.
What an arrogant display of hypocrisy and double standard: if you win, violence is fine to settle the dispute, but if China wins, it is morally wrong. This is a perfect illustration of thinking from a country that write “all men are created equal” while kidnapping Black slaves across continents, the same country where millions of its people accept “we lie, we cheat, we steal” and still laughing. I should not be surprised.
If China is morally wrong to take Taiwan by force, than US is morally wrong to exist too (out of the many other reasons that it should not exist). Furthermore, what makes you the ultimate arbitrator of whether Taiwan belongs to China?
For one, it is an unfinished civil war. Go read some history about the war between the Nationalists and the CPC.
Does China seek to take over Taiwan out of self-defense or is it for some other reason?
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Interesting perspective and the map is good. Thank you.
The British had their colonies taken away from them by a separatist force. The only reason for any “cession” on their part was that they were beaten. Legality had nothing to do with it. The dispute was settled by brute force and violence.
It does not matter how far back you go, how legal you want to become, how well-intentioned your efforts are, how many people are on your side–taking something by force which does not belong to you is theft and it is morally wrong. Taiwan does not belong to Xi Jinping.
What an arrogant display of hypocrisy and double standard: if you win, violence is fine to settle the dispute, but if China wins, it is morally wrong. This is a perfect illustration of thinking from a country that write "all men are created equal" while kidnapping Black slaves across continents, the same country where millions of its people accept "we lie, we cheat, we steal" and still laughing. I should not be surprised.If China is morally wrong to take Taiwan by force, than US is morally wrong to exist too (out of the many other reasons that it should not exist). Furthermore, what makes you the ultimate arbitrator of whether Taiwan belongs to China?Replies: @Roger
Legality had nothing to do with it. The dispute was settled by brute force and violence..... taking something by force which does not belong to you is theft and it is morally wrong.
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Your statement is ignoring history. Mao provided, to defeated Chiang Kai-shek, temporary sanctuary on Taiwan instead of finishing him off. Think St. Helena punishment for Napoleon. He did not give Taiwan to greedy Washington. I thing he is morally justified, since the losing side unfortunately can never dictate the victor. On the other hand, I bet you never said London will never be morally justified invading Falklands.Replies: @Roger
Xi Jinping will never be morally justified invading Taiwan except as a matter of self-defense.
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History does not determine what is right and/or wrong. It only records the result.
On the other hand, you win the bet. I never said that about London, but that does not mean I am mistaken. I remember the Falkland war and, at the time, did not form any opinion about who was in the right. I also remember that it was big news when Argentina took out a British ship with a guided missile from many miles away. An Exocet missile, as I recall.
He already fixed in his views. It is a waste of time and effort. He, like John Johnson are like empty calories. Nothing to contribute other than verbiage for the sake or verbiage.
Yes.
Is this irrelevant too?
Israeli forces kill six in raid on West Bank refugee camp
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-clash-with-palestinians-flashpoint-west-bank-town-2023-03-07/
This argument completely misses the point. Xi Jinping will never be morally justified invading Taiwan except as a matter of self-defense. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, and AI-powered surveillance systems may be repugnant to free people, but they can hardly be held up as moral justification to condemn an aggressive invasion of a neighboring country or one on the other side of the world. If such systems are "objectively evil", then they should be resisted on their own merits and not just because they are part of an "objectively evil" country which "we" (that is, the controllers, their sycophants, and their enablers--our side, in other words) are competing against.
"Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified,..."
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Xi Jinping will never be morally justified invading Taiwan except as a matter of self-defense.
Your statement is ignoring history. Mao provided, to defeated Chiang Kai-shek, temporary sanctuary on Taiwan instead of finishing him off. Think St. Helena punishment for Napoleon. He did not give Taiwan to greedy Washington. I thing he is morally justified, since the losing side unfortunately can never dictate the victor. On the other hand, I bet you never said London will never be morally justified invading Falklands.
The Brits ceded their former colonies. So not the same. In fact it would be as if the Brits were still hold up on Long Island and you expected the “Americans†to let them keep it. False equivalency. Especially since there was no legal grounds. If you really want to go back then the Brits nor the Americans have any claim to North America. See why going back that far makes no sense?
Taiwan was never and independent “countryâ€. In fact the only time someone tried to found a “Republic of Formosa (Taiwan)†it was CHINESE LOYALISTS who were mad the emperor ceded the island to the Japanese. They tried to fight Japan on their own but were brutally put down. The people on the island then faced Japanese attempts to eradicate their Chinese nature. When Japan lost – Japan had to return the island back to China. That was in the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations. The fact the KMT lost to the CPC and had to retreat to the island to set up their government has absolutely nothing to do with the FACT that regardless of who was the government – Taiwan belonged to China. That is why by the 1970’s as others noted – the UN voted to rescind all rights from Taipei and convey all those rights to Beijing. Legality and feelings are not the same thing.
As to locals – it is only the separatists who pretend to care about what the KMT did back then to “the localsâ€. Stop the pretense. Meanwhile how ironic that in the cat and mouse game when the KMT went to Taiwan – the CPC in turn secured Hainan. Yet the supposedly oppressive commies let people like the Li alone…. The Li people to this day keep their way of life
Does China seek to take over Taiwan out of self-defense or is it for some other reason?
For one, it is an unfinished civil war. Go read some history about the war between the Nationalists and the CPC.
More importantly, from a geo-military stance, Taiwan is one of the island in the first island chain blocking China’s ability to project and defend itself . As of now, China is boxed in with US bases encircling China from Japan all the way to the Philippines. Any military excursion a few kilometers out of its coast, China is accused of being “provocative”. Just imagine if that happens to the US off the coast of California. The US can at anytime block China from getting resources from other countries. China tried to find alternatives including the Belt and Road Initiatives to Eurasia. So, China is not the aggressor, the US is. Most Taiwanese are OK with China. Many ethnic Chinese outside China like the Taiwanese are OK with China. Many are not OK with the current XI Jinping administration for reasons not related to the US. But that’s an internal matter which the US has no business to stir up fights between brothers and sisters.
Taiwanese did NOT ever identify as citizens of the CPC. It was possible they identified as Chinese as part of the Qing dynasty if they were 1st generation immigrants 300+ years ago.
Those Taiwanese you are talking about are Fujianese. They move back and forth between Fujian and Taiwan. Most have relatives across the straits. I happen to speak Fujianese among other languages. Ethnic Chinese all over including in Southeast Asia identify as Chinese. When a Chinese person identify as a Chinese, they meant civilizational and cultural China. The CPC is just a temporary government in the long scheme of things. No civilizational Chinese would allow either the CPC or the US to destroy their own brothers and sisters in Taiwan or China. But when it comes to root out the running dogs in Taiwan, its another story. As of now, the achievements by the CPC is very remarkable and unprecedented, so I guess it has the “mandate of heaven” from all Civilization Chinese. Any attack on the progress and prosperity of China is seen as an attack on Chinese people in general.
The commenter (Brás Cubas) does not even try to state (not to mention providing evidence of) what is the SPECIFIC crimes or wrong-doing that China has done/is doing in Xinjiang, but uses only vague ideas of "sensitive" "dissidents" complaints / dissatisfactions as talking points. The sneaky tactics put the burden on others to prove and provide info that there is no wrong-doings. This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see "evidence" of absence of wrong-doings.
"People like you with a “forked tongue†cannot understand such basic “human valuesâ€."
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This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see “evidence†of absence of wrong-doings.
He’s Exceptionally! brainwashed, like 98% of the country. Mr. Cosgrove’s first comment at TUR was posted his other apparently well intentioned article last year:
The Republican Party is becoming more Libertarian everyday bitch!
But has he even hit 30? It takes some much longer to realize that faith in the Establishment is what secures it. And most never do.
Majority opinion does not make a matter right.
By your reasoning, the American Revolution should never have happened. Britain was in the right to protect its sovereignty.
Thou Shalt Not Steal
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Your reasoning is very twisted. In the case of China and Taiwan, the "theft" occurred when a rogue faction of Chinese elites fled to Taipei and declared themselves to be the true government of all China. If "absolute moral conviction matters," as you say, then there is no reason for you to accept any absurd claims of Taiwan independence in the first place.Replies: @showmethereal, @Roger
Absolute moral conviction matters.
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There is no reason for me to accept any absurd claims on the part of anyone, whether living or dead. Everyone alive today is living on property which was taken, at some point, by someone else. Theft is wrong, no matter when or how it occurs.
Unilateral, initiatory aggression which seeks to gain control at someone else’s expense is never justified. It is only in self-defense that aggression can be morally employed. The question then changes. Does China seek to take over Taiwan out of self-defense or is it for some other reason? I submit that Taiwan is not an existential threat to mainland China and that there is no moral reason for the CCP (CPC) to threaten it on those grounds alone.
For one, it is an unfinished civil war. Go read some history about the war between the Nationalists and the CPC.
Does China seek to take over Taiwan out of self-defense or is it for some other reason?
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Thou Shalt Not Steal
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Your reasoning is very twisted. In the case of China and Taiwan, the "theft" occurred when a rogue faction of Chinese elites fled to Taipei and declared themselves to be the true government of all China. If "absolute moral conviction matters," as you say, then there is no reason for you to accept any absurd claims of Taiwan independence in the first place.Replies: @showmethereal, @Roger
Absolute moral conviction matters.
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Yup and take the full national reserves of hundreds of millions (already ravaged by decades of wars and foreign incursion) to an island of perhaps 10 million. Leaving their former serfs to starve (of course the US embargoed grain to make it worse for the Mainland). It is western cognitive dissonance why the mainstream west why they don’t get why the people at the time supported Mao (irrespective of his later mistakes). They don’t get it was a popular movement of the day. Chiang was no Sun Yat Sen
Very refreshing to see someone who knows the truth. I wish someone was brave enough to say it on the front pages of western media. But yeah you could go on and on…. Noting how even the U.S. even contemplated just allowing the PLA to take Taiwan because they were disappointed in Chiang Kai Shek aka “cash my checkâ€. It was only because Mao had the audacity (sarcasm) to tell the US to stay away from the Chinese border as the U.S. pushed up to the Yalu River – and with the US not heeding he sent the PLA to push the US back down to the 38th parallel – did the US fully decide to keep backing the Nationalists on Taiwan. Of course out of spite. Even putting nukes there. Yeah we could go on and on and on.
Just more lies and misinformation. China has invited "International inspections" on numerous occasions. Some countries have declined invitations (i.e. EU March 25, 2019) because "this would dispel their lies and propaganda". Below is just a sample of International visits. See link at bottom for a conclusive report on Xinjiang:
You can wait till kingdom come, because China will not open for inspections.
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Yup. All those Muslim delegations (which doesn’t include Muslim tourists and business people who never stopped going to the region) looked and said “hey you send them to camps to learn skills to become productive members of society – we need to do this with our restive populations tooâ€. And they of course noted the other 90 percent of Uighurs who lived just fine and normal lives. And of course they know the more populous Hui Muslims in China were living just fine all along in other regions – so they never bought the “Muslim oppression†garbage. They know it was “separatists suppressionâ€. Muslim countries don’t like their own separatists either
They don’t make much sense to anyone who is determined to misunderstand them.
You can’t beat something with nothing, which is what you have attempted to do.
“You must be a student, very young, or were stunted in overall personality development at some age, and experienced permanent stasis.”
You really ought to get out of the habit of making assumptions. Chances are that you will be wrong as you are in all of these.
“Nothing matters son, in macro terms, except money and power.”
And isn’t this exactly why we are where we are today? Because nothing matters except money and power?
Taiwan if wants to be taken seriously should at least concede that it lost the civil war. Pay war reparations. Return all the treasury seized plus interest back to China. Concede areas such as Kinmen Island which is just 5 miles from mainland China. Sign a security treaty of not aligning with powers detrimental to the national security of China. Just like the Yoshida Doctrine signed by Japan and the US after US defeated Japan in 1945.
“XI considers Taiwan to be part of CHinaâ€.
No. Taiwan IS part of China and USA has been agreeing to that fact for decades.
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The CPC already said they will invade if Taiwan rescinds those claims. I read through this entire comment thread and I’m shocked that not a single person here does not realize that the KMT does not represent Taiwan. They and all of their descendants are considered immigrants to Taiwan and only make up one fifth of it’s population.
So there’s two types of posters here in this thread, the average American that knows nothing, and Chinese nationalists.
Taiwanese did NOT ever identify as citizens of the CPC. It was possible they identified as Chinese as part of the Qing dynasty if they were 1st generation immigrants 300+ years ago.
The CPC should apologize for letting the KMT escape to Taiwan and brutalize it’s people (look up white terror period) and say “oops our bad, our foreign policy toward you was made by dead people who cared too much about face”. And that should be it. No more conflict.
Right now what they are doing is a GIANT LARP. They have fake taiwanese representatives in the CPC government while Taiwan is already independent. What the CPC defines as independent is basically whatever they deem it to be.
Those Taiwanese you are talking about are Fujianese. They move back and forth between Fujian and Taiwan. Most have relatives across the straits. I happen to speak Fujianese among other languages. Ethnic Chinese all over including in Southeast Asia identify as Chinese. When a Chinese person identify as a Chinese, they meant civilizational and cultural China. The CPC is just a temporary government in the long scheme of things. No civilizational Chinese would allow either the CPC or the US to destroy their own brothers and sisters in Taiwan or China. But when it comes to root out the running dogs in Taiwan, its another story. As of now, the achievements by the CPC is very remarkable and unprecedented, so I guess it has the "mandate of heaven" from all Civilization Chinese. Any attack on the progress and prosperity of China is seen as an attack on Chinese people in general.
Taiwanese did NOT ever identify as citizens of the CPC. It was possible they identified as Chinese as part of the Qing dynasty if they were 1st generation immigrants 300+ years ago.
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That's the kind of stance that would probably make Netanyahu very pleased.Replies: @LevtraroThat’s irrelevant.
Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
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That’s one more irrelevant reply from you.
The funniest thing about jokesters like you is that like the South China Sea claims – mandatory Mandarin language learning is something that was started by the Nationalist Chinese government that now rules on Taiwan. The Communist Party simply continued both policies when it won.
Not to mention, long time Chinese residents of Taiwan who spoke Minnan(Fujianese) were treated like sh8T when the Nationalist moved in.
This argument completely misses the point. Xi Jinping will never be morally justified invading Taiwan except as a matter of self-defense. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, and AI-powered surveillance systems may be repugnant to free people, but they can hardly be held up as moral justification to condemn an aggressive invasion of a neighboring country or one on the other side of the world. If such systems are "objectively evil", then they should be resisted on their own merits and not just because they are part of an "objectively evil" country which "we" (that is, the controllers, their sycophants, and their enablers--our side, in other words) are competing against.
"Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified,..."
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Removing separatists from territory recognized as yours by the majority of the world cannot be an invasion. It is called protecting sovereignty. It’s not Xi Jinping who thinks so… The UN says it is so. The One China policy kept the peace for 50 years… until some idiots wanted to use Taiwan as a way to weaken the PRC.
The funniest thing about jokesters like you is that like the South China Sea claims – mandatory Mandarin language learning is something that was started by the Nationalist Chinese government that now rules on Taiwan. The Communist Party simply continued both policies when it won.
Not to mention, long time Chinese residents of Taiwan who spoke Minnan(Fujianese) were treated like sh8T when the Nationalist moved in.
The funniest thing about jokesters like you is that like the South China Sea claims – mandatory Mandarin language learning is something that was started by the Nationalist Chinese government that now rules on Taiwan. The Communist Party simply continued both policies when it won. �
Well I see others responded to you…. But let’s look at real life examples. Portugal offered Macao residents citizenship so they could leave before the 1999 PRC takeover. Some left – many stayed. Macao is doing just fine. The Brits suddenly decided in the last 3 years to offer the same deal to Hong Kong people (30 years later) and out of the 5 million who are eligible – only about 150k left. Suddenly Hong Kong is peaceful again. So you could offer all the Taiwanese the same deal… Most would still stay. Either way – a civil war – is not the US business… And it was/is a civil war with no formal papers to signal the end of it. So lobby DC people to allow all the Taiwanese to leave to move to the US (or Japan). But there is no way Taiwan can be considered a country or will ever be allowed independence. There is waaayyyy too many implications for the PRC if they ever let Taiwan go.
Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide
So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/
An issue that risks damage to the F-35’s tail section if the aircraft needs to maintain supersonic speeds is not worth fixing and will instead be addressed by changing the operating parameters, the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News in a statement Friday.
The deficiency, first reported by Defense News in 2019, means that at extremely high altitudes, the U.S. Navy’s and Marine Corps’ versions of the F-35 jet can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time before there is a risk of structural damage and loss of stealth capability.
The problem may make it impossible for the Navy’s F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.
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$100 million a copy. The most advanced Russian or Chinese equivalent or superior fighter aircraft cost 1/2 or less than that.
Canada finalized a deal to buy 88 F-35 fighter jets from U.S. defense company Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT. N) on Monday in a C$19 billion ($14.2 billion) project to replace its aging fleet of fighter aircraft.
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Germany clinches $8 billion purchase of 35 F-35 aircraft from the US
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It should be re-designated as the R-35; R for Rothchild. Designed to suck the financial accounts of sucker countries that purchase a product that will guarantee constipation, hemorrhoids, and ulcers for decades to come.
Finland finalized its $9.4 billion purchase of 64 Lockheed Martin F-35s and support services, signing a letter of offer and acceptance, announced Feb. 11, that calls for the jets to be delivered before the end of 2030
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The Rothchild’s motto would probably be “What’s wrong with getting more money?” (even it if comes from the blood and tears of others)
I noticed this same thing with the Hong Kong riots a few years ago. There was an attempt to tie Hong Kong to Japanese and Worst Korean cultural exports like anime and shitty dance pop music made by homosexual boy bands. This was a feature of the (obviously astroturfed by western intelligence) "milk tea alliance," meant to signify a distinction between westernized "civilized" Asians and sinicized "barbarian" Asians.Replies: @迪路
the current Democratic Progressive Party government is trying to culturally turn Taiwan into a Japanese colony
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That’s true. In fact, when Jewish attempts to split China were made in a pro-Japanese way, they already lost.
The Chinese hate the Japanese the most. There were more genocides in China from 1895-1945 than anywhere else in the world.
To this day, the Japanese still deny the genocide they perpetrated and still hold some of the territory they won through their war of aggression.
So normally, 50% of Chinese would suggest that if Japan invaded again, the whole island could be wiped clean with nuclear bombs.
What was the deal with China? Something like: We will move the entirety of the manufacturing base from the U.S. to China. Meanwhile we will ramp up the advertising for the goods you will manufacture cheaply and encourage an unsustainable mania for cheap goods in the U.S.
We will print money i.e. destroy the purchasing power of the dollar. We will raise taxes to fund the war making industries. We will skim off billions and invest it in China. We will encourage the consumption of drugs and alcohol. We will destroy decency and replace it with degeneracy. We will manipulate price of gold; suppressing its value. China will be able to buy the gold with all those American dollars.
When we have finished destroying America and the Goy, the people throughout the entire world will hate the Americans. At which point we will provoke a war or wars which will drain the U.S. economy. The young men will be incapable of independent thinking and will never suspect they are cannon fodder. Last you Chinese can load up a thousand boats and simply over-run the Americans.
The U.S. will then be no-more! 300,000,000 Chinese can move from China to New China. The Jews will move to Israel and to New Israel in what is now Ukraine.
The Rule of Law will serve to justify the process. Americans will passively accept to be more or less exterminated and enslaved.
The Uighurs in China do infinitely better than the Indigenous in Austfailia, Canada or the USA for example.
I’m not sure about that. Perhaps you meant that all through history the Uyghurs have in average done better that the other ones. I could buy that, even though I don’t know anything about the Uyghurs’ past experiences. But the present situation seems to be the opposite.
Bras, Xinjiang has been part of China since the Han, two thousand years ago. The CPC treats minorities very well, because they KNOW that the Western Powers of Evil will use minorities to sow social division and bloodshed. The Uighurs in China do infinitely better than the Indigenous in Austfailia, Canada or the USA for example.
I'm not sure about that. Perhaps you meant that all through history the Uyghurs have in average done better that the other ones. I could buy that, even though I don't know anything about the Uyghurs' past experiences. But the present situation seems to be the opposite.
The Uighurs in China do infinitely better than the Indigenous in Austfailia, Canada or the USA for example.
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‘Dissidents’ in China are mostly agents of extremely hostile Western powers intent on destroying China. That is, traitors. Dissidents in the USA are-who? The MAGA menagerie?
The commenter (Brás Cubas) does not even try to state (not to mention providing evidence of) what is the SPECIFIC crimes or wrong-doing that China has done/is doing in Xinjiang, but uses only vague ideas of "sensitive" "dissidents" complaints / dissatisfactions as talking points. The sneaky tactics put the burden on others to prove and provide info that there is no wrong-doings. This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see "evidence" of absence of wrong-doings.
"People like you with a “forked tongue†cannot understand such basic “human valuesâ€."
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Or all three, dan.
Your confining the problem to "neighbouring countries" seems a bit artificial to me. There are Palestinian refugees in many points in the Globe. And that is only your version for those neighboring countries' possible motivation. Do the countries providing weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah cite refugees as their only justification?
Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees. �
The State is to a certain measure a representative of the people's choices. Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn't.)Replies: @Levtraro, @Brian Damage
Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.
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You are like John Johnson. Empty calories.
That's irrelevant. The point is whether supporting BDS is the same as a State meddling in other people's affairs. It is not, supporting BDS is an individual choice by people and companies in the same way as buying coffee that declares to be Fair Trade is an individual choice by people and companies.
Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
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... you can stop wondering.Replies: @Brás Cubas
But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians. �
Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
That’s irrelevant.
That’s the kind of stance that would probably make Netanyahu very pleased.
There are a few things in the world that are hard to manufacture, have a very small profit margin, need highly skilled workers and require high precision and reliability.
An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.
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Another example is REE(Rare Earth Elements). Hard to process, almost no profit margin, needs highly skilled worker and requires precision and reliability. It is not REE is very rare, it is the processing of it that is hard. China processes most of the world’s REE. Most REEs mined outside China are processed in China.
I have lots of cheap American REE stocks. Not because these company will make money but knowing the Biden administration, it will knee jerk into subsidizing these companies in the name of “National Security”. Instant $1 pink sheets to $30 a share.
The commenter (Brás Cubas) does not even try to state (not to mention providing evidence of) what is the SPECIFIC crimes or wrong-doing that China has done/is doing in Xinjiang, but uses only vague ideas of "sensitive" "dissidents" complaints / dissatisfactions as talking points. The sneaky tactics put the burden on others to prove and provide info that there is no wrong-doings. This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see "evidence" of absence of wrong-doings.
"People like you with a “forked tongue†cannot understand such basic “human valuesâ€."
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He even suggests that China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, because….?? (China does not know how to treat minority?? Again, no reason needed for the suggestion.) It is hard for me to decide whether the person is silly, stupid or just evil.
When I was in Beijing in 2018, I was surprised that all subway stations had security like we see in airports. The last time I was there (10 years ago) I didn’t see any, especially 10 years ago it was the Beijing Olympics. Uyghur terrorists were causing havoc all over China. Those terrorists came back from the Middle East after ISIS lost. Most Uyghurs are normal people. Any “draconian” measures by China were targeting those extremists. And China followed Rand Corporation’s White Paper of Islamic Radical deradicalization.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2010/RAND_MG1053.sum.pdf
Some facts. There are about 11 million Uyghurs in China with 26,000 mosques with more being built. There are about 4.5 million muslims in the US and there are 2,800 mosques. Most are hidden from the public.
Your confining the problem to "neighbouring countries" seems a bit artificial to me. There are Palestinian refugees in many points in the Globe. And that is only your version for those neighboring countries' possible motivation. Do the countries providing weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah cite refugees as their only justification?
Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees. �
The State is to a certain measure a representative of the people's choices. Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn't.)Replies: @Levtraro, @Brian Damage
Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.
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Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
That’s irrelevant. The point is whether supporting BDS is the same as a State meddling in other people’s affairs. It is not, supporting BDS is an individual choice by people and companies in the same way as buying coffee that declares to be Fair Trade is an individual choice by people and companies.
So …
But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians.
… you can stop wondering.
That's the kind of stance that would probably make Netanyahu very pleased.Replies: @LevtraroThat’s irrelevant.
Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
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Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees.
Your confining the problem to “neighbouring countries” seems a bit artificial to me. There are Palestinian refugees in many points in the Globe. And that is only your version for those neighboring countries’ possible motivation. Do the countries providing weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah cite refugees as their only justification?
Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.
The State is to a certain measure a representative of the people’s choices. Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
That's irrelevant. The point is whether supporting BDS is the same as a State meddling in other people's affairs. It is not, supporting BDS is an individual choice by people and companies in the same way as buying coffee that declares to be Fair Trade is an individual choice by people and companies.
Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)
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... you can stop wondering.Replies: @Brás Cubas
But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians. �
No, I didn’t intend to conflate non-violent protest with war. Sorry if my comment gave that impression. I meant to conflate BDS with sanctions against other countries (Russia, for example). That being said, I could conflate giving weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah with giving weapons to Ukraine.
We get 80% of our medicine from the PRC and India. Both countries, Biden has pushed away from us. Imagine if you stop getting your medicine, all thanks to Biden.
I wouldn’t say ‘good’ or ‘bad’ regarding their being dissident per se, but as a source of information dissidents in an authoritarian country are a window into an otherwise windowless house. But dissidents anywhere have something useful to say, I think.
Exchanges not necessary. My sympathies lie in TRUTH. People like you with a "forked tongue" cannot understand such basic "human values". Pushing another "George Soros" funded fake news Organisation headquartered in Washington, DC. your lies and deceptions have been debunked thoroughly:https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/17/uyghur-tribunal-us-government-china/Replies: @Brás Cubas, @d dan
I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:
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“People like you with a “forked tongue†cannot understand such basic “human valuesâ€.”
The commenter (Brás Cubas) does not even try to state (not to mention providing evidence of) what is the SPECIFIC crimes or wrong-doing that China has done/is doing in Xinjiang, but uses only vague ideas of “sensitive” “dissidents” complaints / dissatisfactions as talking points. The sneaky tactics put the burden on others to prove and provide info that there is no wrong-doings. This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see “evidence” of absence of wrong-doings.
He even suggests that China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, because….?? (China does not know how to treat minority?? Again, no reason needed for the suggestion.) It is hard for me to decide whether the person is silly, stupid or just evil.
When I was in Beijing in 2018, I was surprised that all subway stations had security like we see in airports. The last time I was there (10 years ago) I didn't see any, especially 10 years ago it was the Beijing Olympics. Uyghur terrorists were causing havoc all over China. Those terrorists came back from the Middle East after ISIS lost. Most Uyghurs are normal people. Any "draconian" measures by China were targeting those extremists. And China followed Rand Corporation's White Paper of Islamic Radical deradicalization.
He even suggests that China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, because….?? (China does not know how to treat minority?? Again, no reason needed for the suggestion.) It is hard for me to decide whether the person is silly, stupid or just evil.
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He’s Exceptionally! brainwashed, like 98% of the country. Mr. Cosgrove’s first comment at TUR was posted his other apparently well intentioned article last year:
This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see “evidence†of absence of wrong-doings.
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But has he even hit 30? It takes some much longer to realize that faith in the Establishment is what secures it. And most never do.
The Republican Party is becoming more Libertarian everyday bitch!
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“XI considers Taiwan to be part of CHinaâ€.
No. Taiwan IS part of China and USA has been agreeing to that fact for decades.
Taiwan if wants to be taken seriously should at least concede that it lost the civil war. Pay war reparations. Return all the treasury seized plus interest back to China. Concede areas such as Kinmen Island which is just 5 miles from mainland China. Sign a security treaty of not aligning with powers detrimental to the national security of China. Just like the Yoshida Doctrine signed by Japan and the US after US defeated Japan in 1945.
It can’t have its cake and eat it too. For decades it was the de facto Chinese government until the 1970s. Throughout the 80s and 90s it thought it still can force it way back to be the “real China” until mid 2000s it realized that China now is too big economically and militarily. Then all of a sudden it switched to “we always want to be independent”. Our sovereignty is being threatened by evil China. Our history belong with Japan….etc..
wrong premises, wrong conclusions, therefore yet another worthless UNZ article to waste time on.
2 top points the article opened with:
“XI considers Taiwan to be part of CHina”.
No. Taiwan IS part of China and USA has been agreeing to that fact for decades.
USA doesn’t want to “save Taiwan”
No. Thats the last thing USA thinks about. USA wants to cause problems to CHina using Taiwan, the exact same way US is using Ukraine to cause problems for RUssia.
Didnt waste time reading more.
See ya!
China, until recently, CHOSE not to build even a crude early 2000s-style strategic nuclear arsenal, although they have long had the ability to do so.
A few thousand thermonuclear warheads and their associated missiles, even if less advanced than ours, would be more than sufficient to annihilate the entire northern hemisphere. Yet, China was not paranoid enough (until very recently) to even try to increase its arsenal. They’ve had the money, technology and industry to do it for 20 years. Think about that.
Yup. “Until recently”. The Obama admin pretty much destroyed the trust China had with the US. After the 2008 financial crisis, Obama asked for help and in 2009, China pumped in hundreds of billions of cash into the US economy saving its banks from collapsing. Right after that, Obama started “Pivot to Asia” to contain China. This resulted in Xi Jinping being the President of China.
China maintained about 300-400 antiquated nuclear arsenals “until recently”. I believed China now has more than a thousand modern nuclear warheads with modern delivery systems. Like hypersonic missiles. China has been the leader of rocket technology for some time and most likely upgraded its ICBMs. The new strategic bomber H-20 is coming online. China new nuclear submarines are coming online. There is a reason why the US kept saying 2030 is the dateline to defeat China. It believes China will finalize the last two of its “Nuclear Triad” by 2030. Or is it? I think China’s current Nuclear Triad is already capable but by 2030 it will exceeds US’s.
And that’s not counting China’s space technology. Have you read that Chinese Space Cleaner satellites were moving around in orbit clearing space debris? https://www.dw.com/en/chinese-space-cleaner-spotted-grabbing-and-throwing-away-old-satellite/a-60658574. What about laser technology. China has been in the forefront of laser technology.
Some basic facts have to be pointed out. Facts, which, if someone’s honest and willing to think, will show who wants war, and who doesn’t.
1) The United States spends a considerably larger fraction of its economy/GDP on it’s military than China. U.S. -> 3.1% t0 3.5% (depending on year). China -> 1.9% to 2.0%.
If you say, with those percentages, that America does not want war, LOGICALLY China wants war even less. They certainly aren’t tapping their absolutely colossal economy preparing for one. And make no mistake, they certainly COULD – but choose not to.
2) The United States has 100 major bases outside of our country, China has 1 major base in Africa. The U.S. has bases in Asia, practically encircling China, which is across the world’s largest ocean from us. China has no presence in the Americas.
3) China, until recently, CHOSE not to build even a crude early 2000s-style strategic nuclear arsenal, although they have long had the ability to do so.
A few thousand thermonuclear warheads and their associated missiles, even if less advanced than ours, would be more than sufficient to annihilate the entire northern hemisphere. Yet, China was not paranoid enough (until very recently) to even try to increase its arsenal. They’ve had the money, technology and industry to do it for 20 years. Think about that.
4) China does not care to export its system anywhere. It is not undermining “democracies” or pushing its values. Chinese do not care how anyone lives outside of China. In contrast, the collective West very much cares how people in the non-West live their lives, to the point of regime change, color revolutions, and a strange cultural agenda pushed everywhere.
I just cannot see where this MSM BS narrative that China wants war is coming from. Honestly, from where I’m standing, it’s the “Anglo-Empire” that wants war.
Washington wants war, but isn’t sure it can win. What the DC establishment can see, as anyone can, is that if they wait past 2027 or 2028, it’ll just be too late to stop China, and any war will be complete suicide. In fact, it’s probably already to late to go to war with China, but of course, the Neo-Cons can’t see that. They still think it’s 1945 or 1991.
The time frame of maximum danger is around 2027-2028.
Even the smaller amount of its economy China devotes to defense will then be too much to overcome, given China’s sheer industrial size vis-s-vis the U.S. (This is not Hollywood’s version of China, don’t get it twisted). Past that point, the Neo-Cons’ plans for aggressive war against China will be obvious insanity, which is why they feel they must strike now.
Here’s an interesting article:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/new-american-century/
So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.
Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide
There are 900 unresolved issues that are marked as design deficiencies on this hothouse flower.
An issue that risks damage to the F-35’s tail section if the aircraft needs to maintain supersonic speeds is not worth fixing and will instead be addressed by changing the operating parameters, the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News in a statement Friday.
The deficiency, first reported by Defense News in 2019, means that at extremely high altitudes, the U.S. Navy’s and Marine Corps’ versions of the F-35 jet can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time before there is a risk of structural damage and loss of stealth capability.
The problem may make it impossible for the Navy’s F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.
NATO keeps buying them by the dozen. Hmmm. No arm twisting here or “slip me a fin, eh?”
Does Rothchild, in his mansion, have a counter that lists the amount of money continuously rolling into his accounts?? Maybe several. If one of them is NATO Procurement, it must be among the fastest to increase.
Canada finalized a deal to buy 88 F-35 fighter jets from U.S. defense company Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT. N) on Monday in a C$19 billion ($14.2 billion) project to replace its aging fleet of fighter aircraft.
$100 million a copy. The most advanced Russian or Chinese equivalent or superior fighter aircraft cost 1/2 or less than that.
Germany clinches $8 billion purchase of 35 F-35 aircraft from the US
Finland finalized its $9.4 billion purchase of 64 Lockheed Martin F-35s and support services, signing a letter of offer and acceptance, announced Feb. 11, that calls for the jets to be delivered before the end of 2030
It should be re-designated as the R-35; R for Rothchild. Designed to suck the financial accounts of sucker countries that purchase a product that will guarantee constipation, hemorrhoids, and ulcers for decades to come.
I wonder if Rothchild et al. gets a bit bored at gouging, cheating, conning, and scamming the Goy and the rest of the World. He makes it seem so easy, and it seems that the victims keep asking for more. “One Nation under God, indivisible (except by the square root of imaginary numbers), with liberty and juices for all”
So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.
Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide
There are 900 unresolved issues that are marked as design deficiencies on this hothouse flower.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=american+ambassador+lectures+chinaReplies: @Poupon Marx
My third and final point is one that has come into full view in the last few weeks — this is a time of genuine challenge in the bilateral relationship between the U.S. and China. President Biden’s strategy is clear — “invest, align, compete†in U.S.-China relations.
We are making major, indeed generational investments in our infrastructure and economy at home; we are strengthening our historic alliances with Japan, Australia, the Republic of Korea, the Philippines, and Thailand as well as with the creation of AUKUS and expanding cooperation in the Quad. The result is that the strategic position of the U.S. here in the Indo-Pacific has been strengthened immeasurably. We will also never shrink from competition with the PRC when that is necessary, as it often is in the security, economic, technology, and human rights realms.
We will protect our national security when it is undermined by PRC economic policies, just as other countries are doing. You have, for example, seen this in our strong export control actions against China in recent months in key technology areas. As Secretary of State Antony Blinken recently remarked, “there’s an intense competition that’s underway to shape what actually comes next,†and technology will play a key role in retooling our economies and will reshape the lives of people across the planet.
More broadly, we will continue to assert foundational American values, including with regard to the primacy of human rights in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. Let us remember that the rule of law, fair play, and human dignity and freedom are essential to a successful business climate. With that in mind, American firms must continue to abide by the strict requirements of the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.
As you can see from our policies and actions, we will continue to protect our national security in the U.S.-China relationship and maintain as large a lead as possible in critical technologies.
The U.S. has also been consistent in saying that we are ready to work with China when our interests coincide— such as on climate change, global health, the fight against illicit shipment of Fentanyl precursors and the devastating impact it has had across America, and food security.
Finally, the past two weeks have been particularly challenging for our relationship with China with the irresponsible and illegal PRC surveillance balloon and its open violation of U.S. sovereignty, territorial integrity, and international law.
As President Biden said in his State of the Union Address last week — let me quote him here: “we seek competition, not conflict. But I will make no apologies that we’re investing to make America stronger. Investing in American innovation, in industries that will define the future, that China intends to be dominating. Investing in our alliances and working with our allies to protect advanced technologies so they will not be used against us.â€
“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.†�
“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.â€
Embarrassing. A psychotic break with Reality. Perhaps an MK Ultra unit subjected to the treatment.
Or just a happy, snappy, lappy, dappy prostitute. Anything for money.
So dissidents in China good, but dissidents in USA bad. Your logic is illogical.
Although privately I do feel outrage at how countries treat segments or even the entirety of their populations, I also acknowledge that such outrage when taken to the public sphere often materializes in measures which worsen the lives of the population of the target country. This is true for sanctions and even more true for wars. But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians. Wouldn't that fall into the same category of interference into how "other people organize their societies"?Replies: @Levtraro, @Bro43rd
Why the “bipartisan outrage†about how other people organize their societies?
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Conflating non-violent protest (BDS) with war is dishonest. Is that what you intended or just a temporary lapse in logic?
An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.
They produce a “substantial portion†of our antibiotics.
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An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.
There are a few things in the world that are hard to manufacture, have a very small profit margin, need highly skilled workers and require high precision and reliability.
Active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) is one of them. API is the base to all medicine. It has to be very high quality as it affects the efficacy and safety of medications. India is the world’s largest generic pharmaceutical manufacturer but it needs harder to make APIs from China.
Another example is REE(Rare Earth Elements). Hard to process, almost no profit margin, needs highly skilled worker and requires precision and reliability. It is not REE is very rare, it is the processing of it that is hard. China processes most of the world’s REE. Most REEs mined outside China are processed in China.
Semiconductor. Same with the above. Hard to make, very low profit margin, needs highly skilled workers, needs high precision and reliability for decent yield. Japan, Korea and Taiwan with access to high end DUV and EUV machines from Dutch’s ASML make all of the high end semiconductors used in phones and computers while China make most of the lower end semiconductors used in cars, appliances and other vehicles.
The US can have all the policies it wants but at the end of the day, you need a sizeable group of high IQ skilled workers, good work ethics, no expectations of profit and willing to absorb losses, lower wages and years of investments in R&D. Those are the barriers. Not US policies. India, with its lower wages tried, so far, only gimmicky “success” for show. Western Europe has all the skills, the money but couldn’t do it.
I have lots of cheap American REE stocks. Not because these company will make money but knowing the Biden administration, it will knee jerk into subsidizing these companies in the name of "National Security". Instant $1 pink sheets to $30 a share.
Another example is REE(Rare Earth Elements). Hard to process, almost no profit margin, needs highly skilled worker and requires precision and reliability. It is not REE is very rare, it is the processing of it that is hard. China processes most of the world’s REE. Most REEs mined outside China are processed in China.
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Period. The end of logic that is.
While it might seem chivalrous to “stick up” for the little guy, ultimately it is “sticking your nose in someone else’s business.”
I am through arguing with dogbumbreath because he shared a video by deranged rightwinger Matthew Ehret. You seem to be better informed. Also, your nickname suggests you read novels, which is a good thing and something I should do.
So, I’ll just throw this up in the air to see if anyone picks it up: China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, perhaps through a lease contract. Iran is Muslim, so it would know how to deal with Muslims. After a period of evaluation, they would assess the experiment and possibly renew the lease.
Although privately I do feel outrage at how countries treat segments or even the entirety of their populations, I also acknowledge that such outrage when taken to the public sphere often materializes in measures which worsen the lives of the population of the target country. This is true for sanctions and even more true for wars. But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians. Wouldn't that fall into the same category of interference into how "other people organize their societies"?Replies: @Levtraro, @Bro43rd
Why the “bipartisan outrage†about how other people organize their societies?
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Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees.
Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.
Your confining the problem to "neighbouring countries" seems a bit artificial to me. There are Palestinian refugees in many points in the Globe. And that is only your version for those neighboring countries' possible motivation. Do the countries providing weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah cite refugees as their only justification?
Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees. �
The State is to a certain measure a representative of the people's choices. Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn't.)Replies: @Levtraro, @Brian Damage
Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.
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Come on, Mulga. Do you not see that the denial of the differences between male and female is a (((critical))) tool to exacerbate and speed the crumbling?
The ‘dissidents’ in Xinjiang are a pack of murderous salafist butchers, on the US payroll, many of whom turned up in Syria, where they have gained a brutal reputation as truly psychopathic terrorists. Do you pay any attention to other jihadist child murderers?
Instead of engaging home invaders in gun battles they choose to prevent any would be burglar from entering with metal bars. Has the additional benefit of preventing dumb kids from killing themselves too. But of course this is incomprehensible to Whites and therefore unnatural and inferior.
I am so sick of these creatures.
I can tell from your balderdash that you care VERY much about skin colour, but you deny it. What is your race, by the way? You are correct about my race, the human race, having failed-you are testament to that debacle.
No crumbling Empire that I am aware of facilitated a cult that denied the differences between male and female. That is an entirely unexplored land of insanity.
the current Democratic Progressive Party government is trying to culturally turn Taiwan into a Japanese colony
I noticed this same thing with the Hong Kong riots a few years ago. There was an attempt to tie Hong Kong to Japanese and Worst Korean cultural exports like anime and shitty dance pop music made by homosexual boy bands. This was a feature of the (obviously astroturfed by western intelligence) “milk tea alliance,” meant to signify a distinction between westernized “civilized” Asians and sinicized “barbarian” Asians.
They produce a “substantial portion†of our antibiotics.
An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.
Maybe somebody who knows more US history than me can say for certain whether or not we’ve ever had more stupid Official Government Policies than at the present time.
There are a few things in the world that are hard to manufacture, have a very small profit margin, need highly skilled workers and require high precision and reliability.
An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.
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As for George Soros, I have no idea what he funds; he gives his money to liberal and human rights entities with no strings attached.
A little history of Soros in China:
video:
United States is above the United Nations –EOS. All this nonsense about the UN –it is a puppet of DC.
Just like many collapsed empires of the past, Washington will overextend the US’ capabilities at a time when its production base can no longer support its imperial ambitions.
Politically, the elites (like the Roman Patricians) are more interested in their own benefits than the larger polity and their extraction has outweighed the carrying capacity of their masses. The USA was never a democracy. Perhaps it was once a representative republic. Today, it can only be a classed as a kleptocratic-oligarchy. Do the voice of the citizen have any real say?
Although the “end of history” briefly made an appearance in the 90s, the US has not adjusted its hubris and thinks it can change the world in its image. Or more cynically, make everywhere a disaster so that no one can be strong enough to challenge the USA.
Economically, the patrimony of the past are being consumed without a thought for its sustainability (shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations – sounds about right for an empire’s 300 years). In the 60s, the US comprised 40% of the world’s GDP. As at 2021, it is 24.2% and dropping.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD
In addition, the Gini coefficient of the US (41.5) places it below Malaysia (41.1) and Iran (40.9)
(the higher the Gini coefficient, the greater the gap between the incomes of a country’s richest and poorest people.)
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=US&most_recent_value_desc=false
And the gap has been widening within the US:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/219643/gini-coefficient-for-us-individuals-families-and-households/
Socially, has there ever been a more fragmented society like the US today with its forced diversity, gender dysmorphism, covert racial stratification, pedophilic tendencies and boundless permissiveness? It’s like Sodom and Gomorrah wrapped together. Sadly, given the dominance of the infomedia under a few hands, are there any independent voices? Looks to me like the demise has been scripted in from the beginning.
Technologically (and infrastructurally), if the US is unable to maintain its infrastructure (with 1,000s of train derailment and myriad failures
https://phys.org/news/2022-09-america-aging-infrastructure-sags-pressure.html),
how then can it boast and showcase itself to be a leader when it cannot even provide its citizens with the basic necessities.
So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.
In the end, the USA would spend much blood and treasure without anything to show for it, except for the benefit for a few.
Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide
So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.
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Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide
So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/
An issue that risks damage to the F-35’s tail section if the aircraft needs to maintain supersonic speeds is not worth fixing and will instead be addressed by changing the operating parameters, the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News in a statement Friday.
The deficiency, first reported by Defense News in 2019, means that at extremely high altitudes, the U.S. Navy’s and Marine Corps’ versions of the F-35 jet can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time before there is a risk of structural damage and loss of stealth capability.
The problem may make it impossible for the Navy’s F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.
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$100 million a copy. The most advanced Russian or Chinese equivalent or superior fighter aircraft cost 1/2 or less than that.
Canada finalized a deal to buy 88 F-35 fighter jets from U.S. defense company Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT. N) on Monday in a C$19 billion ($14.2 billion) project to replace its aging fleet of fighter aircraft.
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Germany clinches $8 billion purchase of 35 F-35 aircraft from the US
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It should be re-designated as the R-35; R for Rothchild. Designed to suck the financial accounts of sucker countries that purchase a product that will guarantee constipation, hemorrhoids, and ulcers for decades to come.
Finland finalized its $9.4 billion purchase of 64 Lockheed Martin F-35s and support services, signing a letter of offer and acceptance, announced Feb. 11, that calls for the jets to be delivered before the end of 2030
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This is exactly what is going very nicely put.
There is nothing racist about it. Its all about jingoism. Non whites try to tie racism to everything. No one cares about skin color. NO ONE. Its all about behavior. Racism is a social construct used to disenfranchise white people. You come from a failed race and that is the only reason people do not like you.
The Chinese will not allow any alien forces to control them.They were humiliated by the U.S.,the Europeans and the Japanese in the previous 200 years and will not tolerate anyone lecturing or talking down to them.When
they do business with the Jews the Chinese will dictate the terms.
When Blinken recently warned the Chinese about supplying the Russians with weapons,Foreign Minister Wang Yi told Blinky to “put it where the moon don’t glow.”
Nukes, at high noon.
In fact, most Chinese support the retaking of Taiwan. On the one hand, it is the national sentiment over the years. On the other hand, the current Democratic Progressive Party government is trying to culturally turn Taiwan into a Japanese colony. This is unacceptable considering the 200 years of animosity between China and Japan.
It’s like the Nazis trying to teach the Jews that the Holocaust didn’t exist, and even if it did, you’re subhuman and should be slaughtered like livestock.
But for all that, war is unlikely for a few years.
Although the current Taiwanese government seems to be riddled with hatred of China, the odd thing is that both sides share a huge share of exports and imports.
I noticed this same thing with the Hong Kong riots a few years ago. There was an attempt to tie Hong Kong to Japanese and Worst Korean cultural exports like anime and shitty dance pop music made by homosexual boy bands. This was a feature of the (obviously astroturfed by western intelligence) "milk tea alliance," meant to signify a distinction between westernized "civilized" Asians and sinicized "barbarian" Asians.Replies: @迪路
the current Democratic Progressive Party government is trying to culturally turn Taiwan into a Japanese colony
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Exchanges not necessary. My sympathies lie in TRUTH. People like you with a "forked tongue" cannot understand such basic "human values". Pushing another "George Soros" funded fake news Organisation headquartered in Washington, DC. your lies and deceptions have been debunked thoroughly:https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/17/uyghur-tribunal-us-government-china/Replies: @Brás Cubas, @d dan
I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:
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I haven’t cited any of the sources those two Grayzone articles mention. Of course I can’t vouch for the articles I have provided; I just thought they’d make for interesting reading, and you certainly haven’t debunked anything in them with your links.
It’s common knowledge that Xinjiang is an extremely important region for China strategically. So it does not make sense that the government would allow any dissident thinking in that area. That’s why I pay attention to the dissidents (which does not mean I believe them unconditionally) and not to the government.
As for George Soros, I have no idea what he funds; he gives his money to liberal and human rights entities with no strings attached.
A little history of Soros in China:
As for George Soros, I have no idea what he funds; he gives his money to liberal and human rights entities with no strings attached.
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Speaking at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, US Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said China’s navy has significant advantages over its US rival ……
“They use slave labor in building their ships, right – that’s not the way we should do business ever, but that’s what we’re up against so it does present a significant advantage,†he claimed.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/asia/us-navy-chief-china-pla-advantages-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
It’s getting comical.
From Zelesnky’s speech:
I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.
The Budapest Memorandum is the agreement that Ukraine gives up its nukes in exchange for western security guarantees. Zelesnky is saying, “If I am not armed to my satisfaction by the West, then I will pursue nukes.”
I won’t find Putin’s exact quote referencing this right now but his speech in linked too
You see, the top-down position of the (((Leadership))) of the USSA is that China is a “threat” because of its growing economic dominance and GDP. That’s all that this is about. The USSA believes that China should not have primary influence in the Indo-China region, but that the USSA should, by the vector and weigh of “history”.
And the manic Proxy War against Russia is nothing more than having the ATM machine and milking cow Ukraine taken away from the same (((Parasites))). This is their Götterdämmerung, the vassal states of the West neutered, neutralized, anesthetized, immobilized.
The very continuance of the (((Parasites))) depends on vanquishing and shattering BOTH Russia and China. It’s a Zero Sum Game; one side has to win at the expense of the other. The World cannot contain or accommodate the Russia-China Axis AND the Rothchild Vampire Squids in co-existence and concurrence. Showdown at the OK Corral. Place your bets.
‘Xi Jinping considers’ Taiwan part of China. China ‘considers…’.
Isn’t that ‘Orwellian Newspeak’?
International Law ‘considers’ unambiguously that Taiwan IS part of China.
Resolution 2758 (XXVI). of the United Nations General Assembly:
”Restoration of the lawful rights of the People’s Republic of China in the United Nations
The General Assembly,
Recalling the principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Considering the restoration of the lawful rights of the People’s Republic of China is essential both for the protection of the Charter of the United Nations and for the cause that the United Nations must serve under the Charter,
Recognizing that the representatives of the Government of the People’s Republic of China are the ONLY lawful representatives of China to the United Nations and that the People’s Republic of China is one of the five permanent members of the Security Council,
Decides to restore all its rights to the People’s Republic of China and to recognize the representatives of its Government as the ONLY legitimate representatives of China to the United Nations, and to expel forthwith the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations and in all the organizations related to it.
1976th plenary meeting,
25 October 1971.
United Nations reiterated [in August 2022] its support for the one-China principle, noting that it follows the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2758 of 1971, Stephane Dujarric, spokesperson for UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, stated on Tuesday, in response to U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to China’s Taiwan region.
“The policy of the United Nations on this issue is that we are guided by General Assembly Resolution 2758 from 1971 on one-China,” Dujarric said.
No buts, no ifs. China won’t ‘invade’ Taiwan. It will only defend it against foreign aggression.
Bars are to protect the housing occupants from typhoons in Formosa Island.
“Taiwan†Is China.
It’s like a daughter ‘taking over’ her bedroom while living in her parents house…and the idiot USians (redundant) believe that China is “invadingâ€â€¦
Cannot fix stupid: USians.
Does that include my #32? If so, a couple more thoughts for you to try holding: 1. I’m not “bizarrely enamored with†the rulers of China. I’ve no informed opinion about them, one way or the other. 2. I do, however, have an informed opinion that the rulers of the USA have long distracted, divided & conquered most people in this country by demonizing and warmongering Uncle Sam’s targets
It must be because of weak personalities, or the desire to be a fanboy, or a mind that cannot hold two opposing thoughts in their head, but many of these posters are bizarrely enamored with a country that is just as brutal as the US Government.
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(((Whomever))) is directing and controlling the USSA is deliberately steering it to war and total destruction. (((Their))) entire existence depends on Russia and China not achieving dominance.
China needs to accept U.S. is a leader, Ambassador Burns says
My third and final point is one that has come into full view in the last few weeks — this is a time of genuine challenge in the bilateral relationship between the U.S. and China. President Biden’s strategy is clear — “invest, align, compete†in U.S.-China relations.
We are making major, indeed generational investments in our infrastructure and economy at home; we are strengthening our historic alliances with Japan, Australia, the Republic of Korea, the Philippines, and Thailand as well as with the creation of AUKUS and expanding cooperation in the Quad. The result is that the strategic position of the U.S. here in the Indo-Pacific has been strengthened immeasurably. We will also never shrink from competition with the PRC when that is necessary, as it often is in the security, economic, technology, and human rights realms.
We will protect our national security when it is undermined by PRC economic policies, just as other countries are doing. You have, for example, seen this in our strong export control actions against China in recent months in key technology areas. As Secretary of State Antony Blinken recently remarked, “there’s an intense competition that’s underway to shape what actually comes next,†and technology will play a key role in retooling our economies and will reshape the lives of people across the planet.
More broadly, we will continue to assert foundational American values, including with regard to the primacy of human rights in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. Let us remember that the rule of law, fair play, and human dignity and freedom are essential to a successful business climate. With that in mind, American firms must continue to abide by the strict requirements of the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.
As you can see from our policies and actions, we will continue to protect our national security in the U.S.-China relationship and maintain as large a lead as possible in critical technologies.
The U.S. has also been consistent in saying that we are ready to work with China when our interests coincide— such as on climate change, global health, the fight against illicit shipment of Fentanyl precursors and the devastating impact it has had across America, and food security.
Finally, the past two weeks have been particularly challenging for our relationship with China with the irresponsible and illegal PRC surveillance balloon and its open violation of U.S. sovereignty, territorial integrity, and international law.
As President Biden said in his State of the Union Address last week — let me quote him here: “we seek competition, not conflict. But I will make no apologies that we’re investing to make America stronger. Investing in American innovation, in industries that will define the future, that China intends to be dominating. Investing in our alliances and working with our allies to protect advanced technologies so they will not be used against us.â€
“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.â€
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=american+ambassador+lectures+china
Embarrassing. A psychotic break with Reality. Perhaps an MK Ultra unit subjected to the treatment.
“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.â€
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Don't they want to subjugate the United States? If the U.S. collapses, then wouldn't its aid and support to Israel go down with it, and wouldn't Israel go down as a result?Replies: @Vito Klein
ZOG knows exactly what it is doing. The complete destruction of the United States is precisely the goal; there is nothing lunatic about it.
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As Vladimir Putin told a Moscow audience a few years back: [apparently going off script] Believe it or not, the power that controls the West would sacrifice Israel itself to achieve its ends.
I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:
Exchanges not necessary. My sympathies lie in TRUTH. People like you with a “forked tongue” cannot understand such basic “human values”.
Pushing another “George Soros” funded fake news Organisation headquartered in Washington, DC. your lies and deceptions have been debunked thoroughly:
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/17/uyghur-tribunal-us-government-china/
The commenter (Brás Cubas) does not even try to state (not to mention providing evidence of) what is the SPECIFIC crimes or wrong-doing that China has done/is doing in Xinjiang, but uses only vague ideas of "sensitive" "dissidents" complaints / dissatisfactions as talking points. The sneaky tactics put the burden on others to prove and provide info that there is no wrong-doings. This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see "evidence" of absence of wrong-doings.
"People like you with a “forked tongue†cannot understand such basic “human valuesâ€."
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The irony about Taiwan is, the right wing party is more for “federal relations” than the liberal/left party.
I swear, China’s hangup about “saving face” is so ingrained, that they still are holding to the symbols of their disastrously revolutionary leader, and flag. If they could simply adopt the the symbols of the Republic of China, it would be such a rhetorical unveiling, even more people will not support a civil war. It would only work insofar, as Xi understands what was deadly about Mao’s China, and what was right about Taiwan.
Only the "Empire" and it's lackeys complain and fabricates Xinjiang propaganda. Have any of the other countries which inspected Xinjiang file a negative report or questioned what they inspected? Answer is NO.
The “openness†you describe is just a pretense. Access is always restricted, and it all ends up being a tour through Potemkin village.
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I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:
UHRP Welcomes House Bill to Combat Forced Organ Harvesting
https://uhrp.org/statement/uhrp-welcomes-house-bill-to-combat-forced-organ-harvesting/
Exchanges not necessary. My sympathies lie in TRUTH. People like you with a "forked tongue" cannot understand such basic "human values". Pushing another "George Soros" funded fake news Organisation headquartered in Washington, DC. your lies and deceptions have been debunked thoroughly:https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/17/uyghur-tribunal-us-government-china/Replies: @Brás Cubas, @d dan
I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:
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According to then below because china’;s holdings are not that impactful, at least not yet.
https://chinapower.csis.org/us-debt/
Overall, China has as much if not more to lose than the US. A fight over Taiwan would sweep other more important issues aside, even if China won.
ohh excuse the use of official sources.
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The real war with china is about US economic strength at home. Some can whine all they want about isolationism — we could use some isolationist tendencies — the the charge about being isolationist is incorrect —
We were more isolated from direct involvement in Europe and Asia, but the US was still engaged in trade in all of these areas. We were still being dragged into the affairs of Latin America.
It must be because of weak personalities, or the desire to be a fanboy, or a mind that cannot hold two opposing thoughts in their head, but many of these posters are bizarrely enamored with a country that is just as brutal as the US Government.
Does that include my #32? If so, a couple more thoughts for you to try holding:
1. I’m not “bizarrely enamored with†the rulers of China. I’ve no informed opinion about them, one way or the other.
2. I do, however, have an informed opinion that the rulers of the USA have long distracted, divided & conquered most people in this country by demonizing and warmongering Uncle Sam’s targets
• “Remember the Maine!â€
• Belgian babies on bayonets
• Gulf of Tonkin
• medical students in Grenada
• Taliban, then Saddam Hussein culpable for September 11, 2001
• Colin Powell’s vial lies to the UN General Assembly
• “Assad gasses his people!â€
• Putin’s “unprovoked invasionâ€
and are likely doing so again with China.
People who can’t distinguish — or smear those who hold — these two positions are either cretinous or craven tools of the Establishment.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=american+ambassador+lectures+chinaReplies: @Poupon Marx
My third and final point is one that has come into full view in the last few weeks — this is a time of genuine challenge in the bilateral relationship between the U.S. and China. President Biden’s strategy is clear — “invest, align, compete†in U.S.-China relations.
We are making major, indeed generational investments in our infrastructure and economy at home; we are strengthening our historic alliances with Japan, Australia, the Republic of Korea, the Philippines, and Thailand as well as with the creation of AUKUS and expanding cooperation in the Quad. The result is that the strategic position of the U.S. here in the Indo-Pacific has been strengthened immeasurably. We will also never shrink from competition with the PRC when that is necessary, as it often is in the security, economic, technology, and human rights realms.
We will protect our national security when it is undermined by PRC economic policies, just as other countries are doing. You have, for example, seen this in our strong export control actions against China in recent months in key technology areas. As Secretary of State Antony Blinken recently remarked, “there’s an intense competition that’s underway to shape what actually comes next,†and technology will play a key role in retooling our economies and will reshape the lives of people across the planet.
More broadly, we will continue to assert foundational American values, including with regard to the primacy of human rights in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. Let us remember that the rule of law, fair play, and human dignity and freedom are essential to a successful business climate. With that in mind, American firms must continue to abide by the strict requirements of the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.
As you can see from our policies and actions, we will continue to protect our national security in the U.S.-China relationship and maintain as large a lead as possible in critical technologies.
The U.S. has also been consistent in saying that we are ready to work with China when our interests coincide— such as on climate change, global health, the fight against illicit shipment of Fentanyl precursors and the devastating impact it has had across America, and food security.
Finally, the past two weeks have been particularly challenging for our relationship with China with the irresponsible and illegal PRC surveillance balloon and its open violation of U.S. sovereignty, territorial integrity, and international law.
As President Biden said in his State of the Union Address last week — let me quote him here: “we seek competition, not conflict. But I will make no apologies that we’re investing to make America stronger. Investing in American innovation, in industries that will define the future, that China intends to be dominating. Investing in our alliances and working with our allies to protect advanced technologies so they will not be used against us.â€
“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.†�
I assumed this was going to be an anti-war article written by a Ron Paul type. Don’t get me wrong, I follow the Milton Friedman/Chicago school of economics, so I guess I might be called a Libertarian.
THE problem is that this article assumes that China does not want war and the USA maybe does. THAT is a simpletons analysis.
What if China actually wants a war and the USA doesn’t. Everything I read, mainly international, not USA news, leads me to that conclusion.
China now is like Japan, in lets say, 1938. I am personally convinced of that. I hope I’m wrong.
What say you Bras, I mean Glenn.
The “openness†you describe is just a pretense. Access is always restricted, and it all ends up being a tour through Potemkin village.
Only the “Empire” and it’s lackeys complain and fabricates Xinjiang propaganda. Have any of the other countries which inspected Xinjiang file a negative report or questioned what they inspected? Answer is NO.
Your first link is typical Wall Street Journal junk…….just more propaganda.
Your second link confirms you are a liar with a forked tongue. You claim China does not allow inspections yet your own United Nations report dated August 31, 2022 shows otherwise.
As for this report, it reviews the “human rights” of convicted criminals, terrorists and people connected to extremist activities in China at “educational/vocational training camps”. How would a similar UN report fair if it was allowed to inspect and interview American criminals in prison facilities nationwide? What would UN inspectors find in Guantanamo Bay? Let me remind you that US & Western human rights violations are happening daily to ordinary law abiding citizens since 2020 (i.e. can’t leave your home or go to work without a unproven vaccine).
Anyway, the UN report is scattered with words like “alleged” and “estimate”. No surprise since the sample size was minute. For example, the report was conducted,
“in accordance with its standard practice and methodology, 40 in-depth interviews
with individuals with direct and first-hand knowledge of the situation in XUAR (24 women
and 16 men; 23 Uyghur, 16 ethnic Kazakh, 1 ethnic Kyrgyz). Twenty-six of the interviewees
stated they had been either detained or had worked in various facilities across XUAR since
2016. In each case, OHCHR assessed the reliability and credibility of these persons, the
veracity of the information conveyed, and its coherence with information obtained from other
sources. 12 Securing interviews posed significant challenges. Most of the interviews were
conducted remotely for COVID-related and/or security reasonsâ€.
A more accurate portrayal of life can be gained by people born and living in Xinjiang:
March 5, 2023 Why America Needs War, The Project of the New American Century (PNAC)
HOMELAND DEFENSE. America must defend its homeland. During the Cold War, nuclear deterrence was the key element in homeland defense; it remains essential. But the new century has brought with it new challenges. While reconfiguring its nuclear force, the United States also must counteract the effects of the proliferation of ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction that may soon allow lesser states to deter U.S. military action by threatening U.S. allies and the American homeland itself. Of all the new and current missions for U.S. armed forces, this must have priority.
What happened to the America of 'mind your own business'? Why liberal morality and democracy has to be paraded around the world and shoven everyone else's throat? Why American commentator feel the urge to judge how other people conduct their own business? Why is it for Americans to judge whether the Chinese have the correct type of govt? Why the "bipartisan outrage" about how other people organize their societies?Replies: @Brás Cubas
Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified, ...
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Why the “bipartisan outrage†about how other people organize their societies?
Although privately I do feel outrage at how countries treat segments or even the entirety of their populations, I also acknowledge that such outrage when taken to the public sphere often materializes in measures which worsen the lives of the population of the target country. This is true for sanctions and even more true for wars. But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians. Wouldn’t that fall into the same category of interference into how “other people organize their societies”?
Very well said