Your repetitive tactic or modus operandi is so transparent to all. If one doesn't glorify China or Chinese people, then it already constitutes "racist hatred and contempt". This is exactly the same standard formula regularly deployed so by many Jewish supremacists: If one doesn't glorify Israel or Jews then one is inherently antisemitic. In both instances these kinds of low level allegations and sewer propaganda as a mechanism of diversion comes from people who are incapable of rational thought.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
"...racist hatred and contempt..."
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No, no, no-I KNOW your type Has Been. Race hatred and contempt is central to Western Rightist psychopathology. I’ve met hundreds like you. Deny it all you like. I can easily refute your lies and half-truths, but the sewer from which they flow is undeniable.
Ironically some of the South Korean fake Christian cult leaders – when they would run away from authorities in South Korea would move to China where they had operations. But the Chinese government would deport them when they found out. That’s also another reason China started to crack down on foreign religious leaders in the country. But yeah the west is either unaware of those or purposely hides it just so they can say “China oppresses religionsâ€
It's the shape-shifting Ashkenazi who subverted Euro, Euro-North American and Euro-Australasian elites. Nothing to do with Mizrahis.You mean European Jews which populate Europe and the Americas. Millions of Jews are not ethnic Europeans…. The original Israelites themselves were not European. You can’t tell many Mizrahi Jews from the Palestinians. Needless to say – after 1947 when European Jews moved to west Asia – the European Ashkenazi and Mizrahi didn’t get along… Of course because of race �
Also Jews are mostly ethnic European and easily pass for Europeans. Not the case in China. There’s no confusing them with ethnic Chinese.
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Yeah it’s a confused pot. Even more ironic is the religious Jews – don’t believe in the current state of Israel. It was the secular European ones who pushed for it. They don’t believe the Bible but want the land. Very confused. The Mizrahi and the religious ones note that before the Europeans showed up they used to get along with the Muslims and Arab Christians that lived there.
Ok I misspelled Bombardier. I would rather misspell a name than to get facts wrong. Arrogant Japanese didn’t get what was going on. Facts are Siemens and Bombardier made money. Just like Siemens made money helping China start its maglev programs. China passed them all – including Japanese companies. You are obviously salty about it – but don’t make up lies. It’s actually pathetic for a “bushido†culture. Japan lost the HSR race. Fall on your sword … maybe maglev will offer some redemption…. but not looking likely
I think it should happen very rarely in our country now. Especially ZioChristianity.
After all, we are basically individuals here who know that Israelis should be slaughtered.
Maybe it was rampant in the 1990s, but it’s largely gone now, and the preachers are basically wanted fugitives in the United States.
Moreover, active proselytizing is forbidden in our country, and given that the majority of our country is atheist, proselytizing has no ground for belief at all.
If you see someone stopping you from preaching on the road, you can call the police and arrest him.
South Koreans are different.
South Korea is an American colony, they used to be slaves to us, then they were slaves to Japan, now they are slaves to the United States.
So they were obviously very heavily infiltrated by the Jewish religion.
It's funny that you can get so worked up about this recent index result, which has a clearly defined methodology and shows the various component scores. Perhaps a more appropriate name would be a satisfaction index. Note that the United States is ranked 24th, and Hungary, Croatia, and Greece are ranked lower than China.
"This so-called ‘World Happyness Index’ is just another farce to promote vassal-ness as the ‘highest’ form to kneel in front of jewmerica..."
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Xi Jinping wants China to have better toilets
But his power has limits
The Economist
Nov 9th 2023|BEIJING
Eradicating noxious facilities and building hygienic ones is a goal that Mr Xi heartily champions. In 2015 he called for a “toilet revolutionâ€.
https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/09/xi-jinping-wants-china-to-have-better-toilets
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However, 996 often corresponds to an annual salary of about 500,000 to 1 million yuan. And it’s mostly limited to programmers.
As far as I know, we don’t really have many side hustles. If someone does have a side hustle, it’s in the form of a hobby. I loved writing novels in college, and I still do it now and then.
I’m confused about your questions about toilets, especially when you give a strange example from 2015, we must have enough toilets, I can only walk a few steps to see one.
I’ve been to Japan and there aren’t as many toilets as we do. Now, the obvious problem with Japan is that they can’t even afford rice and have to buy it from us.
I suggest you stop reading The Economist, which has made you as intelligent as a wild dog on the road.
Why don’t you bark like a dog?
Don’t forget about Falon Gong, the weird Asian Scientology knockoff that controls almost all English-language China media.
Doing it everywhere in Asia. Lots of illegal home churches in China into ZioChristianity.
“…racist hatred and contempt…”
Your repetitive tactic or modus operandi is so transparent to all. If one doesn’t glorify China or Chinese people, then it already constitutes “racist hatred and contempt“.
This is exactly the same standard formula regularly deployed so by many Jewish supremacists: If one doesn’t glorify Israel or Jews then one is inherently antisemitic.
In both instances these kinds of low level allegations and sewer propaganda as a mechanism of diversion comes from people who are incapable of rational thought.
Very simple; My reference ("...manufacturing facilities were moved abroad from Silicon Valley...") was to what occurred over three decades ago, yet you are referring to present statistics.Replies: @showmethereal
...life expectancy...safety and pollution… Explain that
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So in other words like every society that got rich after industrialization – they were willing to do the dirty work to get wealthy – and then clean up their acts. Got it…
Most popular shows in China are about tackling corruption or uplifting people in the lower parts of society. Because those are the values the government wants people to think of.
There was a recent show called “The Knockoutâ€â€™which had to do with tackling government corruption and organized crime.
To answer why that particular show would be popular – it’s because Chinese believe in learning from their own history. Not complicated at all. Chinese also have long attention spans. So those series typically run from 50 to even sometimes 70 episodes.
Cut the malarkey. The oceans were already depleted before China got on the big stage (which is why China produces several times more in fish farms than it catches in the open ocean). Same with mining and pollution and forest destruction. You people are shameless revisionists
So, in your words, the early colonists were gentle.
So that means we can learn from your experience of scalping Indians, peeling white scalps and making leather…
Would you like to be such a specimen?
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Good. The criminals we have here should be a good fit for your country.
Our side observes that immigrants to the United States are basically criminals and mentally ill.
I think you must be very willing to accept, otherwise you would not say such a thing.
America is a penal colony.Q. E. D.
What sort of brain-dead, brainwashed, moron talks of the USA as a ‘rich country’, when its wealth is so unequally distributed? And there are those who wish to move from China to the USA, because there are behaviours, principally parasitism and exploitation of others, that are frowned upon or repressed in China, but flourish in the USA. The USA is a giant corpse flower that attracts carrion flies from around the world.
As usual, in your warped mind, any observation or critique is always automatically racist, which is why you lack any credibility. Though the video of the apartment had low resolution, it appeared to me that there was an ash tray beside the large double-bed and at least another ash tray on the coffee table beside the sofa. Also, the open kitchen was said to have an air fryer, and it is not clear how well the oil and steam gets ventilated there during cooking. The air freshener spray can above the rare "western toilet" suggests that the bathroom's air circulation is not that good, notwithstanding the small window. Certainly with three bedrooms and only one bathroom the toilet and shower would get used more frequently.Over time the accumulated residue from cigarette smoking (40% of Chinese men are smokers, as I have pointed out previously) and cooking will accumulate on the wall and ceiling surfaces. For this reason standard white walls, to reflect more light, would soon become discolored and exude a certain smell. It looks as if though this dwelling space in its raw form was conceived for five people, four adults and a kid – a family of three and the two grandparents on the male side – so it is peculiar that such an apartment is being rented with this style of furnishing by only one woman – who likes to wear jewelry. An inevitable question arises: What is the purpose for having two extra rooms with large beds?It is not hard to imagine what is going on. Note that the walls have the same color as typical Chinese vulvas. The huge mirror in the living room is not affixed to the wall but is resting on the floor instead, so it could easily be moved. This appearance hints at the possibility that the apartment could be occasionally sub-rented – for instance during weekends – to function as an occasional private bordello. The large flat screens, in the bedroom and living room, would be show pornographic videos. The big mirror leaning on the wall would function well for self reflection while copulating in certain positions to establish facial contact that would otherwise not be the norm. Of course western women could charge much more for their services.Though the viewers of the video were told how little her female friend pays to rent her apartment, what we are not told is how much she and her friends make altogether from utilizing it in the manner I have suggested.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
‘Olfactory cues’??!! I can discern your stink of race hatred...
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No, no, Has Been. Any observation from a PLAIN racist, which you are, is deemed racist. QED. Your every contribution re. China REEKS of racist hatred and contempt, so typical of the Western Right. You quack like a duck, waddle like a duck, mindlessly shit everywhere like a duck, so I assume you are a racist duck.
Of course your type typically descends into irrational hatred, so deep is your contempt and fear. Your gratuitous and astonishingly vulgar (even for a Pom) references to ‘Chinese vulvas’, bordellos and ‘copulating in certain positions’ show just what a nassty nut-case you are. You’d best move to Kiev, and join your fellow loons, if you have not done so already.
Your repetitive tactic or modus operandi is so transparent to all. If one doesn't glorify China or Chinese people, then it already constitutes "racist hatred and contempt".This is exactly the same standard formula regularly deployed so by many Jewish supremacists: If one doesn't glorify Israel or Jews then one is inherently antisemitic.In both instances these kinds of low level allegations and sewer propaganda as a mechanism of diversion comes from people who are incapable of rational thought.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
"...racist hatred and contempt..."
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It's funny that you can get so worked up about this recent index result, which has a clearly defined methodology and shows the various component scores. Perhaps a more appropriate name would be a satisfaction index. Note that the United States is ranked 24th, and Hungary, Croatia, and Greece are ranked lower than China.
"This so-called ‘World Happyness Index’ is just another farce to promote vassal-ness as the ‘highest’ form to kneel in front of jewmerica..."
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Xi Jinping wants China to have better toilets
But his power has limits
The Economist
Nov 9th 2023|BEIJING
Eradicating noxious facilities and building hygienic ones is a goal that Mr Xi heartily champions. In 2015 he called for a “toilet revolutionâ€.
https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/09/xi-jinping-wants-china-to-have-better-toilets
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No, Has Been, that index is better called the ‘brainwashed’ index. Plebs indoctrinated from birth to imagine that a shit-hole like Starmer’s UK is paradise, and a vastly better country like China a hell-hole where the dread CCP will kill you if you have an independent thought. There are numerous other polling groups that actually ask Chinese how they think, and they invariably find high levels, ie 80-90% satisfaction or great satisfaction.
And why not? In the decades where the UK has sunk slowly into the shit, with rapid descents like Brexit, the Judeonazi led campaign to destroy Corbyn, a decent man who somehow led a UK political Mafia, and the current explosion of Judaic hatred of any who dare oppose their Gaza genocide (including decent Jews), China has boomed, standards of living leaped upwards, cities increasingly rid of pollution, education become the envy of the world, and it has built the greatest infrastructure ever seen etc, etc. But racist hate-mongers like you LIE that the Chinese hate their lives, for no other reason but your hatred and fear at China’s rise. As for toilets, the program is making great strides, and who but a moron or bigot would quote that fecking sewer the Economist, on ANYTHING to do with China?
Seriousness?
Do I have to?
Same old same old,
2024 World Happiness Report
https://data.worldhappiness.report/table
Of course the usual suspect
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“This so-called ‘World Happyness Index’ is just another farce to promote vassal-ness as the ‘highest’ form to kneel in front of jewmerica…”
It’s funny that you can get so worked up about this recent index result, which has a clearly defined methodology and shows the various component scores. Perhaps a more appropriate name would be a satisfaction index. Note that the United States is ranked 24th, and Hungary, Croatia, and Greece are ranked lower than China.
It would be understandable that many Chinese are not highly satisfied, but you seem to be trying to deny this, notwithstanding all the objective circumstances. For instance, in the high technology labor sector in the Cantonese region it is not uncommon to work 72 hours a week (996 work structure), even though this technically illegal. Also, due to selective abortions of female fetuses, there is a noticeable surplus of males in Chinese society, many of whom must be frustrated, which could be occasionally addressed with a suggestion in my comment #205 and would be consistent with your own comment #146 (“Lots of Chinese have side business…“). In that comment I also alluded to another issue, in which Japan has undisputedly been at a much more advanced level. Even dear leader Xi has acknowledged the issue:
Xi Jinping wants China to have better toilets
But his power has limitsThe Economist
Nov 9th 2023|BEIJINGEradicating noxious facilities and building hygienic ones is a goal that Mr Xi heartily champions. In 2015 he called for a “toilet revolutionâ€.
https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/09/xi-jinping-wants-china-to-have-better-toilets
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China's leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered. The result is that, in spite of the amazing growth before Xi, China is still a very poor country. Yes, their GDP is larger than the US GDP when measured at Purchasing Power Parity. But that's not because they're rich, it's because they're big. Put a billion pitifully poor people in one country, and their total GDP adds up to a big number. But the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China's per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That's how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Robinson and Acemoglu contended China’s economic performance to date (at the 2012 publication date), while impressive, was unsustainable and would falter. �
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world. 20 years ago, people talked about Europe as an economic block that could challenge the US. At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European "vassals".
The US economic system thrived on creative destruction as the inclusive institutions encourage competition, reward innovation, and provide opportunities for new entrants into the market. �
This is the list a prisoner would recite when his jailors put a gun to his head. I hope Hua Bin is safe.Replies: @dearieme, @Vidi, @Ron Unz, @Cloudwalker, @迪路, @Antiwar7, @showmethereal
world's most handsome man
world's greatest athlete
world's highest ever recorded IQ
world's greatest writer, artist, and musician
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Nonsense analysis. As economies grow bigger it is not sustainable for them to maintain higher rates of growth. Not sure where you learned economics from. A when Xi got in power it did drop because he said from day one he wanted “quality over quantityâ€. So the focus of the economy shifted.
I could not agree more and one is tempted to argue that this FAKE “Nobel prize†is like “putting lipstick on a pigâ€.
"Nobel despised people who cared more about profits than society's well-being".There is nothing to indicate that he would have wanted such a prize", and that the association with the Nobel prizes is "a PR coup by economists to improve their reputation". �
So what happened to the people of Ukraine after the US orchestrated coup in 2014 and installed a neoliberal “market†there?
In recent years, Western countries and institutions have provided massive military and economic assistance to Ukraine, which became the top recipient of US foreign aid – marking the first time since the Marshall Plan that a European country holds this top spot. 7 As of December 2022, less than one year into the war, the US has allocated over US$113 billion to Ukraine, including US$65 billion of military aid, 8 which is more than the entire budget of the State Department and USAID globally (US$58 billion).9
The report details how Western aid has been conditioned to a drastic structural adjustment program, which includes austerity measures, cuts in social safety nets, and the privatization of key sectors of the economy. A central condition has been the creation of a land market, put into law in 2020 under President Zelenskyy, despite opposition from a majority of Ukrainians fearing that it will exacerbate corruption in the agricultural sector and reinforce its control by powerful interests.
Ukraine is now the world’s third-largest debtor to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and its crippling debt burden will likely result in additional pressure from its creditors, bondholders, and international financial institutions on how post-war reconstruction – estimated to cost US$750 billion – should happen.
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But yeah that’s the goal. Impoverish a country so the people are easier to manipulate and so they can buy up the assets cheaper
Also Jews are mostly ethnic European and easily pass for Europeans. Not the case in China. There’s no confusing them with ethnic Chinese.
You mean European Jews which populate Europe and the Americas. Millions of Jews are not ethnic Europeans…. The original Israelites themselves were not European. You can’t tell many Mizrahi Jews from the Palestinians. Needless to say – after 1947 when European Jews moved to west Asia – the European Ashkenazi and Mizrahi didn’t get along… Of course because of race
It’s the shape-shifting Ashkenazi who subverted Euro, Euro-North American and Euro-Australasian elites. Nothing to do with Mizrahis.
Ashkenizis also feel that Israel is theirs. It was their subversion that created it. Again, nothing to do with Mizrahis.
From their point of view, the problem arises from Netanyahu/Likud’s core supporters being Mizrahi with Mizrahis being happily ready to toss Ashkenazi Europeans out of Israel. That just leaves them confused and potentially homeless again.
They were of course expecting to build a European Israel when in fact they’ve received a Middle Eastern Israel – so they’re leaving in droves.
I sincerely hope their government would go along with western media lying mouth,
and shut down ALL tourists to abroad, to display the true disastrous life they have now
Other countries can count on their ‘rich-but-can’t-afford-fruits-and-beef’ neighbors,
namely kooks or japs to fill the void once Chinese left.
I think the middle class in the US is more stressed than the middle class in China. I don’t see a lot of new Chinese immigrants. I see people coming from Central and South America, Pakistan, Turkey, Africa, etc.
It is very odd that the locomotives and carriages look exactly like Japanese designs.
Siemens and whatever is the correct spelling of ‘Bombadier’, suppose that you mean the Canadian aircraft company, can have made little contribution. Siemens, sure, perhaps a little knowledge on track-laying and maintenance, possibly also numerical control. Little else.
What from ‘Bombadier’? Perhaps a little modelling and wind-tunnel testing of designs copied from Japan. What else could they do? Design a turbo-propellor driven high-speed train 🤣?
I stay by what I said in the first place, the meaningful requests for tender were to Japanese companies (as you say, Hitachi and Kawasaki, among others), and to SNCF in France. It was an entirely cynical information-gathering exercise, no tenders were ever accepted, and that had been the intention from the start.
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Dude you don't know what you are talking, and certainly not knowing Chinese would rather keep a low profile than flaunting it like niqqers.Lots of Chinese have side business, 2nd or 3rd place to collect rent, a small but steady incomed joint-venture with families, closed friends (grocery store, mini-stop, gasoline stand etc), grey income of side cash from outside offers (Teacher opening class outside school, workman give service outside company, lawyer giving consulting outside his firm etc,,)
ut the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China’s per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That’s how poor the Chinese people are per person now.�
Outbound tourists from China in 2024: 200 million. I wonder if the government is paying them to pretend they are not poor.
‘Olfactory cues’??!! I can discern your stink of race hatred…
As usual, in your warped mind, any observation or critique is always automatically racist, which is why you lack any credibility. Though the video of the apartment had low resolution, it appeared to me that there was an ash tray beside the large double-bed and at least another ash tray on the coffee table beside the sofa. Also, the open kitchen was said to have an air fryer, and it is not clear how well the oil and steam gets ventilated there during cooking. The air freshener spray can above the rare “western toilet” suggests that the bathroom’s air circulation is not that good, notwithstanding the small window. Certainly with three bedrooms and only one bathroom the toilet and shower would get used more frequently.
Over time the accumulated residue from cigarette smoking (40% of Chinese men are smokers, as I have pointed out previously) and cooking will accumulate on the wall and ceiling surfaces. For this reason standard white walls, to reflect more light, would soon become discolored and exude a certain smell. It looks as if though this dwelling space in its raw form was conceived for five people, four adults and a kid – a family of three and the two grandparents on the male side – so it is peculiar that such an apartment is being rented with this style of furnishing by only one woman – who likes to wear jewelry. An inevitable question arises: What is the purpose for having two extra rooms with large beds?
It is not hard to imagine what is going on. Note that the walls have the same color as typical Chinese vulvas. The huge mirror in the living room is not affixed to the wall but is resting on the floor instead, so it could easily be moved. This appearance hints at the possibility that the apartment could be occasionally sub-rented – for instance during weekends – to function as an occasional private bordello. The large flat screens, in the bedroom and living room, would be show pornographic videos. The big mirror leaning on the wall would function well for self reflection while copulating in certain positions to establish facial contact that would otherwise not be the norm. Of course western women could charge much more for their services.
Though the viewers of the video were told how little her female friend pays to rent her apartment, what we are not told is how much she and her friends make altogether from utilizing it in the manner I have suggested.
There was a regiment, division or some such group of Africans fighting for Germany in World War 2.
It’s the last place that American Jews want to go to. They don’t speak Hebrew and Israelis don’t like them.
The final Nakba and the military invasions of Lebanon and Syria are intended to make Greater Israel capacious enough for the American Jews to move to.
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It would be like the privileged British Raj moving back home from India. Would these people from US live in those “beastly” settler flats?
The corporate behemoths were only surviving through (a) broad and pre-emptive patents that stymie innovation by others (b) prosecution of competitors inside US (c) propaganda supporting new calls for capital (d) the share market casino including buy-backs (e) buying up small competitors due to lack of own innovation.
…life expectancy…safety and pollution… Explain that
Very simple; My reference (“…manufacturing facilities were moved abroad from Silicon Valley…“) was to what occurred over three decades ago, yet you are referring to present statistics.
The play was not well received at first.
The series first aired on Hunan TV in 2007.
Unfortunately, Hunan Satellite TV always likes to broadcast romantic dramas, which makes the audience do not like this historical intrigue drama.
The format of the television broadcast caused some viewers to watch incoherently, so the series was blocked by the copyright because of poor ratings.
Until the rights holders later sold it to the streaming platform Youku. The new way of broadcasting allows the audience to enjoy the show better. Because you just watch it once, you may not understand the logic of the character’s behavior.
In fact, every character in the show is doing what’s best for them, and one wrong move can lead to death, but each optimal solution sends the entire country downhill.
I can summarize the show in plain language:
“What if the chairman of a company wants to funnel the company’s revenue into his own coffers?
General Manager A: I can do that, but my staff and I also scored some embezzled money.
Assistant Manager B: I can do that, but I’d have to dismiss General Manager A. He embezzled too much.
Clerk C: Chairman, it is wrong of you to put the common property of the company into your own coffers. How can you do this?”
Douban rated the drama 9.8 points, higher than the two dramas, Yes, Prime Minister and Yes, Minister.
Watching this drama can get a lot of insights into life. I myself cried several times while watching the show.
The problem of government overspending is a problem that every government has faced since ancient times. Our recorded history is too long, so most of the problems that are happening now in countries have similar things in our recorded history.
If you are an American, you will see the current situation in the United States from the partisan issues.
Trust me, if you watch the entire series, you’ll gain a new understanding of real life issues. At least you won’t show a lot of stupid questions.
Especially comparing the North Koreans to us.
Anyone can learn the simplified characters. Indeed, a Taiwanese can hardly avoid encountering them, as the mainland has such an overwhelming presence. That you actually know the traditional characters suggests even more strongly that you are Taiwanese, as a mainlander would rarely see them.
The Taiwanese use traditional characters, while I use simplified ones.
So I’m really not Taiwanese.Taiwanese use 殺,while I use æ€
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You do indeed have a Taiwanese gangster's outlook on life.Replies: @迪路
[Even more talk about killing people]
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Whatever you think I am, I don’t care.
I don’t have to convince you.
Because on the Internet, it is always difficult to convince others.
But if you want to attack someone you hate, it’s easy. Truth Vigilante is one of those people, Passing by is one of those people, and I tried to convince them, but it didn’t work. I think under the circumstances, I have no choice but to ask them to die.
And you’re clearly not the kind of bullshit that I hate.
So I’m not willing to attack you with any words.
Wealth matters because rich countries are generally better to live in than poor countries. That’s why people migrate from poor to rich countries (like from China to the US), not from rich to poor countries (the US to China). Of course, GDP per capita isn’t the only thing that matters. As I wrote above, collective goods like public safety are also important, and China has some better collective goods than America has. Nonetheless, collective goods don’t override the enormous benefits that living in a rich country like the US provides.
You can come up with descriptions of how life in America is terrible and life in China is great. But those are just words. Actions prove the opposite. People’s words often lie; people’s actions never lie. There are millions of Chinese who try to move to America. There are few Americans who try to move to China. That means life in America is better than life in China. Q. E. D.
You are a complete liar. China’s High speed rail was mostly based on Siemens and Bombadier – which China paid for. The reason it chose not to go with the Japanese is because of Japan’s evil refusal to own up to what it did in the 19th and 20th centuries to China. So Hitachi and Kawasaki were not favored. There is no need to be a liar.
Also several major disasters? Name them. There were not. There was only one. Which is better than any other system except Japan. In fact – only Japan has less fatalities than China’s. No need to lie and make things up.
Chip manufacturing facilities were moved abroad from Silicon Valley because the fabrication process, with its many etching solvents, posed a health risk for the works who inhaled these chemicals. Additionally, the groundwater in the highly populated region of San Jose became polluted from the discharges, so people had to drink bottled water. Politicians and entrepreneurs in places like Taiwan and South Korea, which were at a lower level of development, did not care much about worker safety, polluting their air, and impure groundwater, then gladly hosted this transfer of production technology.Replies: @xyzxy, @showmethereal
Silicon fabs? The current heavyweights are not Western, but Korean and Taiwanese...
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Taiwan and South Korea both have longer life expectancy than the US… Go figure they supposedly don’t care about safety and pollution… Explain that
Very simple; My reference ("...manufacturing facilities were moved abroad from Silicon Valley...") was to what occurred over three decades ago, yet you are referring to present statistics.Replies: @showmethereal
...life expectancy...safety and pollution… Explain that
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The Taiwanese use traditional characters, while I use simplified ones.
So I’m really not Taiwanese.Taiwanese use 殺,while I use æ€
Anyone can learn the simplified characters. Indeed, a Taiwanese can hardly avoid encountering them, as the mainland has such an overwhelming presence. That you actually know the traditional characters suggests even more strongly that you are Taiwanese, as a mainlander would rarely see them.
[Even more talk about killing people]
You do indeed have a Taiwanese gangster’s outlook on life.
Well then, clearly President Xi owes Ron a vice presidential slot in China's cabinet. But -- oops -- that can't happen in China's uninclusive system, which doesn't even accommodate its own ethnic minorities, much less a gweilo like Ron.
When President Xi Jinping ascended to the top leadership role in 2013, he specifically went after the issues identified by Ron [Unz].
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That is a ridiculous comparison. The same party has been ruling Singapore since it’s independence. You can’t hold political protests in Singapore. In fact the PRC patterns itself after Singapore in many ways. Hong Kong never had democracy under the British until the end – as a poison pill. Taiwan was a military dictatorship until the early 90′.s So it was under martial law longer than it has been a supposed democracy. And aside from semiconductors it has become stagnant since… Failure for you on every comparison.
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China's leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered. The result is that, in spite of the amazing growth before Xi, China is still a very poor country. Yes, their GDP is larger than the US GDP when measured at Purchasing Power Parity. But that's not because they're rich, it's because they're big. Put a billion pitifully poor people in one country, and their total GDP adds up to a big number. But the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China's per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That's how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Robinson and Acemoglu contended China’s economic performance to date (at the 2012 publication date), while impressive, was unsustainable and would falter. �
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world. 20 years ago, people talked about Europe as an economic block that could challenge the US. At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European "vassals".
The US economic system thrived on creative destruction as the inclusive institutions encourage competition, reward innovation, and provide opportunities for new entrants into the market. �
This is the list a prisoner would recite when his jailors put a gun to his head. I hope Hua Bin is safe.Replies: @dearieme, @Vidi, @Ron Unz, @Cloudwalker, @迪路, @Antiwar7, @showmethereal
world's most handsome man
world's greatest athlete
world's highest ever recorded IQ
world's greatest writer, artist, and musician
God's gift to women �
What good is the “wealth” of the US when most people there live in dangerous or poor neighborhoods, with shitty infrastructure, ineffective schools, huge costs for medical care, etc?
I think my first reaction was right.
Well, that's certainly possible. Then again, it's exactly what you would say if you were actually an anti-China activist operating in disguise or even just some American teenager having fun on the Internet.Replies: @迪路
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995...
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I am a Chinese youth looking for fun on the Internet.
Spraying people is my hobby, which is a side reflection of China’s abstract Internet culture.
We can be polite in real life, but when it comes to the Internet, everything can be liberated.
Such is the case with the Chinese Internet.
If you read our tieba, you will gain a new understanding of our various levels of cursing.
I think our level of cursing is definitely much higher than that of foreigners.
As for people thinking I’m acting like an anti-China person, I don’t care.
The Chinese government can’t actually kill them. We don’t have a secret service for assassinations.
I was just scaring them to see if they reacted angrily enough. In this way, I am happy.
You sound more and more like Taiwanese. And your frequent threats to kill people suggests that you are probably descended from the gangsters that fled to Taiwan with the old, losing Nationalist (KMT) government. Many Taiwanese propagandists call themselves Chinese, which is true, but they pretend to be from the mainland, which is false.
I will be full of nasty words to those I don’t like, but I will be polite to those I like.
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I doubt that you reflect the young people in mainland China. Perhaps you are more typical of those in Taiwan's gangster population.Replies: @迪路
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995:
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The Taiwanese use traditional characters, while I use simplified ones.
So I’m really not Taiwanese.Taiwanese use 殺,while I use æ€
Seriously, if you go through our 24 official histories, they’re full of murder, cannibalism, massacres.
We Chinese are like this, honest people, but if others keep pushing us, beyond a certain threshold we will become butchers.
I think what happened in Burma is a good indication of that.
Several Han warlords in Burma attached to the Burmese military government lured a large number of Chinese people to Burma to carry out telecommunications fraud.
When our government asked for the release of the people, they not only ignored it, but also wantonly massacred Chinese people.
And then within a few days, their armed forces were basically wiped out by another group of warlords.
Their Burmese junta patron was transferred directly to China to face trial.
Anyone can learn the simplified characters. Indeed, a Taiwanese can hardly avoid encountering them, as the mainland has such an overwhelming presence. That you actually know the traditional characters suggests even more strongly that you are Taiwanese, as a mainlander would rarely see them.
The Taiwanese use traditional characters, while I use simplified ones.
So I’m really not Taiwanese.Taiwanese use 殺,while I use æ€
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You do indeed have a Taiwanese gangster's outlook on life.Replies: @迪路
[Even more talk about killing people]
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water transfers? are you serious??? be real.
In any event – rockets were invented in China. Everything after is an evolution. Same with the binary code which led to computers… European Jesuits developed it after studying “I Ching” from China. You need names and dates?
I think that they've been trying but have found that the Chinese gates are closed. In other words, media ownership, central banking, education, political parties, corporate ownership, internet etc.
By then, they may have taken up residence in your country (China) and you will feel the effects as you watch your technical expertise evaporate, your honored social norms dragged through the mud and your quality of life decline. Don’t laugh. They need a prosperous nation in which to work their grift and if you continue on your present trajectory, you will be the next candidate.
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You mean European Jews which populate Europe and the Americas. Millions of Jews are not ethnic Europeans…. The original Israelites themselves were not European. You can’t tell many Mizrahi Jews from the Palestinians. Needless to say – after 1947 when European Jews moved to west Asia – the European Ashkenazi and Mizrahi didn’t get along… Of course because or race
It's the shape-shifting Ashkenazi who subverted Euro, Euro-North American and Euro-Australasian elites. Nothing to do with Mizrahis.You mean European Jews which populate Europe and the Americas. Millions of Jews are not ethnic Europeans…. The original Israelites themselves were not European. You can’t tell many Mizrahi Jews from the Palestinians. Needless to say – after 1947 when European Jews moved to west Asia – the European Ashkenazi and Mizrahi didn’t get along… Of course because of race �
Also Jews are mostly ethnic European and easily pass for Europeans. Not the case in China. There’s no confusing them with ethnic Chinese.
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Wow, inside a gated community, very safe, and it even has a "western toilet" in a Tier-2 city (Kunming, basically at the southwestern periphery of the country). It is unclear how far from the city center this place is. The design of the furnishings are not to my taste. It is good that video cannot transmit olfactory cues. I might probably get so bored that I would spend much time before the flat screen, thanks to the illegal VPN box. I wonder how many Chinese people would live in a place this size.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
She showed the nice apartment of one of her friends, and I really do think that a pretty sizable fraction of ordinary Americans would be at least a little envious.
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Snide, sneering, race-hating venom, from the Banderite flunky, Has Been. You fascists really hate the ‘non-Whites’, of course, but when they are better in almost everything than the cesspool formerly known as Perfidious Albion, which is so necrotic and run by a puffed up pipsqueak Sabbat Goy like Mr. Starmer, it drives you insane with rage, doesn’t it troll. ‘Olfactory cues’??!! I can discern your stink of race hatred and arrogance through the screen, as ever.
As usual, in your warped mind, any observation or critique is always automatically racist, which is why you lack any credibility. Though the video of the apartment had low resolution, it appeared to me that there was an ash tray beside the large double-bed and at least another ash tray on the coffee table beside the sofa. Also, the open kitchen was said to have an air fryer, and it is not clear how well the oil and steam gets ventilated there during cooking. The air freshener spray can above the rare "western toilet" suggests that the bathroom's air circulation is not that good, notwithstanding the small window. Certainly with three bedrooms and only one bathroom the toilet and shower would get used more frequently.Over time the accumulated residue from cigarette smoking (40% of Chinese men are smokers, as I have pointed out previously) and cooking will accumulate on the wall and ceiling surfaces. For this reason standard white walls, to reflect more light, would soon become discolored and exude a certain smell. It looks as if though this dwelling space in its raw form was conceived for five people, four adults and a kid – a family of three and the two grandparents on the male side – so it is peculiar that such an apartment is being rented with this style of furnishing by only one woman – who likes to wear jewelry. An inevitable question arises: What is the purpose for having two extra rooms with large beds?It is not hard to imagine what is going on. Note that the walls have the same color as typical Chinese vulvas. The huge mirror in the living room is not affixed to the wall but is resting on the floor instead, so it could easily be moved. This appearance hints at the possibility that the apartment could be occasionally sub-rented – for instance during weekends – to function as an occasional private bordello. The large flat screens, in the bedroom and living room, would be show pornographic videos. The big mirror leaning on the wall would function well for self reflection while copulating in certain positions to establish facial contact that would otherwise not be the norm. Of course western women could charge much more for their services.Though the viewers of the video were told how little her female friend pays to rent her apartment, what we are not told is how much she and her friends make altogether from utilizing it in the manner I have suggested.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
‘Olfactory cues’??!! I can discern your stink of race hatred...
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In all seriousness – a lot of the US science and engineering of the 20th century seemed to be Jewish migrants from Europe. Aside from the stuff taken from Germany after WW2…
Independence of thought is rare. In Austfailia it is illegal, as ‘terrorism’. In this country, for instance, there is a total prohibition on ANY discussion of Jews, Jewish power, the tenets of Judaism, Zionism, the history of Israel, Jewish influence over Western politics etc-anything but the ‘antisemitism’ crisis.
I will be full of nasty words to those I don’t like, but I will be polite to those I like.
You sound more and more like Taiwanese. And your frequent threats to kill people suggests that you are probably descended from the gangsters that fled to Taiwan with the old, losing Nationalist (KMT) government. Many Taiwanese propagandists call themselves Chinese, which is true, but they pretend to be from the mainland, which is false.
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995:
I doubt that you reflect the young people in mainland China. Perhaps you are more typical of those in Taiwan’s gangster population.
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995…
Well, that’s certainly possible. Then again, it’s exactly what you would say if you were actually an anti-China activist operating in disguise or even just some American teenager having fun on the Internet.
"Right-wing cranks" such as The Jewish Journal?
> Israel Epstein who served as China’s head of international public relations
... It seems that Right-wing cranks have to inflate the role of any Jew that they can find
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Israel Epstein from Poland, a journalist who served as the Chinese government’s head of international public relations
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It’s certainly a misleading phrase to use at the beginning of the piece, but they have more clarity in the main body.
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Epstein’s journalistic talent and the sympathy he expressed in his writing for the Chinese people, attracted the attention of Song Qingling, Sun Yat-Sen’s widow, who took him under her wing. Song Qingling was a visionary who recognized that China’s success in getting the support it needed would depend on the strength of its image overseas, and set about finding ways to enhance that image. Epstein was one of those ways. She enabled him to launch broad-based publicity campaigns targeted at audiences in the U.S. and Europe by leveraging her network of influential contacts and access to significant financial resources. Establishment of the monthly pictorial China Today with Epstein as editor-in-chief was an outgrowth of these efforts. As the country became more and more distant from the West, the publication effectively became (and remained) Communist China’s voice to the outside world.
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OK, so he’s really more aligned with Sun Yat-Sen’s widow, Song Qingling, than with Mao, but as Mao’s government becomes isolated in the world, the journal China Today becomes more notable. Mao handles Song Qingling with kid gloves because she is the widow of Sun Yat-Sen and both Mao and Chiang sought to present themselves as the natural heirs of Sun Yat-Sen. But Mao did not apply those same kid gloves to the foreigners that Song Qingling was acquainted with. The same article tells us:
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Despite their status as party members, sacrifice on the front lines and impeccable record of service to the state and the party, Crook and Epstein also were imprisoned in Qincheng Prison at the height of the Cultural Revolution, victims of irrational fears of foreign influence, intrigue and spying. This was a fate that befell a good number of foreigners. However, like most of the other foreigners who were imprisoned, Crook and Epstein were released in 1973 and invited to an official state dinner, where they received an official apology from Zhou Enlai. Only Rittenberg was missing. Asked by one of those present at the dinner about Rittenberg’s absence, Zhou Enlai responded gravely: “Li Dunbai has committed severe crimes against the state and its citizens. Because of this, he will remain in prison.â€
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The story about Rittenberg which the article gives is particularly interesting, as it seems to be that Rittenberg simply underestimated how much power Jiang Qing, aka Madame Mao (the 4th wife of Mao Tse-Tung), actually held. From the same article:
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One of the targets of Rittenberg’s defamatory speeches was Jiang Qing, who for Rittenberg would always be the B actress and dance companion he knew from Yan’an and, in any event, hardly a threat to someone such as him, who wielded so much power and influence. This turned out to be a severe miscalculation that would ultimately lead to his downfall.
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In fact, none of these few Jews who worked with the Chinese government ever had any real power. They were used as it was convenient and easily arrested when conveniences shifted.
I watched the entire episode of Ming Dynasty 1566 that you presented. It showed a bunch of old men arguing about who was to blame for government cost overruns. This TV show is popular in China? Why?
I can summarize the show in plain language:
In fact, every character in the show is doing what's best for them, and one wrong move can lead to death, but each optimal solution sends the entire country downhill.
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Luckily the latest annual World Happiness Report was just released yesterday, so we can all check how much you are bullshitting us again, as usual.2024 World Happiness Report
"The Chinese are rich in satisfaction with their lives..."
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According to you, If you believe that our happiness index is low,I should believe Trump when he says America is a garbage country.
I know (at least) two (in all matters but political) intelligent men. The two your comment brings to mind are (1) a neoconservative Evangelical Christian, proudly standing with Israel and (2) a loud and Liberal Progressive who won’t not stand with Israel because… you will soon find out..)
They are impossible to discuss politics with, because they’ve been propagandized by two highly-regarded periodicals full of very well-written articles. The neoconservative can’t be convinced of anything running counter to the narrative in First Things, while the Progressive Liberal regards as a backwards hillbilly anyone who isn’t a subscriber to The Atlantic. Progressive Liberals fawned over white hillbillies for a few New York minutes after (then) liberal J.D. Vance wrote a book in which he identified as all three; since Vance’s defection to the Republican Party, Progressive Liberals are back to hating any economically-disadvantaged person who isn’t also “intersectional†in some way.
Whereas, for me to consider shelling out that much money for a print magazine, it better be loaded with plenty of scratch-and-sniff perfume ads.
About two minutes into the film I hear music played by a symphony orchestra. I doubt that something like that existed in the Ming Dynasty.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @迪路
...reflect the general mental state of the Chinese people.
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This shows that the symphony is indeed a great achievement.
Suitable as a TV drama soundtrack.
If you poke holes in this kind of issue, I can only worry about whether you have enough intelligence to understand the show.
Maybe you don’t even understand the basic logic of the character’s behavior.
Luckily the latest annual World Happiness Report was just released yesterday, so we can all check how much you are bullshitting us again, as usual.2024 World Happiness Report
"The Chinese are rich in satisfaction with their lives..."
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China 45 places below the UK sewer? I’ve lived in the UK and I know how pissed off the chavs are. Take your phony, racist, survey and shove it where the gerbils frolic. Christ. I hate racists.
The following from Amazon's introduction:
How the News Makes Us Dumb: The Death of Wisdom in an Information Society
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Chomsky and Herman in ‘Manufacturing Consent’ in 1988, outlined what ANY intelligent person knew. That the Western MSM ‘Free Press’ is nothing but a propaganda system for the ruling elites in the West. And the situation today is vastly worse.
Luckily the latest annual World Happiness Report was just released yesterday, so we can all check how much you are bullshitting us again, as usual.2024 World Happiness Report
"The Chinese are rich in satisfaction with their lives..."
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2024 World Happiness Report
https://data.worldhappiness.report/tableOf course the usual suspect
Same old same old,
again when it is related to China,
Chinese opinions are ignored and often twisted, fabricated,
Not surprised to see Western-biased mouthpiece or propaganda body spews anything good about China, years back they PRETEND caring about Chinese people and subtly agitating them against their own government,
Now lunatic west don’t even have the luxury and grace to ‘pretend’, they downright fabricated false tales that Chinese are living in misery, in poverty and only a military ‘liberation’ would free them.
Did any REAL Chinese consent to this dictation of their life?
This so-called ‘World Happyness Index’ is just another farce to promote vassal-ness as the ‘highest’ form to kneel in front of jewmerica,
to tell small nations give up their own dignity and sovereignty,
nordic nations are bunch of fags and chivavas, their existence are non-essential to the world struggle,
but China and Russia’s do matter to EVERYONE around the world, that’s why they ranked so low in a jewry oriented thinktank,
smear and psy-op, nothing surprise.
What surprise is anyone has a bucket of brain juice still believing these ‘thinktanks’
It's funny that you can get so worked up about this recent index result, which has a clearly defined methodology and shows the various component scores. Perhaps a more appropriate name would be a satisfaction index. Note that the United States is ranked 24th, and Hungary, Croatia, and Greece are ranked lower than China.
"This so-called ‘World Happyness Index’ is just another farce to promote vassal-ness as the ‘highest’ form to kneel in front of jewmerica..."
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Xi Jinping wants China to have better toilets
But his power has limits
The Economist
Nov 9th 2023|BEIJING
Eradicating noxious facilities and building hygienic ones is a goal that Mr Xi heartily champions. In 2015 he called for a “toilet revolutionâ€.
https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/09/xi-jinping-wants-china-to-have-better-toilets
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Life just continues really. And to quote that wretched old souse, ‘only one link in the chain of destiny can be handled at a time’.
About two minutes into the film I hear music played by a symphony orchestra. I doubt that something like that existed in the Ming Dynasty.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @迪路
...reflect the general mental state of the Chinese people.
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Oh, Has Been, what a clever Banderite troll you are. Symphony orchestras did not exist in Ming China! Clever boy! Your dog biscuit is in the mail.
…reflect the general mental state of the Chinese people.
About two minutes into the film I hear music played by a symphony orchestra. I doubt that something like that existed in the Ming Dynasty.
Or he might be an American teenager having some fun on the Internet...Replies: @Eugene Kusmiak, @迪路, @迪路
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.
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Although this is a machiever drama, I think it can better reflect the general mental state of the Chinese people.
The radical people and the conservative people here are basically two sides of the extreme.
About two minutes into the film I hear music played by a symphony orchestra. I doubt that something like that existed in the Ming Dynasty.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @迪路
...reflect the general mental state of the Chinese people.
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Or he might be an American teenager having some fun on the Internet...Replies: @Eugene Kusmiak, @迪路, @迪路
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.
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Definitely not.
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995: I will be full of nasty words to those I don’t like, but I will be polite to those I like.
My aggressiveness is the universality of the Chinese Internet, and it is the most real manifestation.
It was clear to me that an aggressive man like me would never get into CPC.
The admission of CPC members has very high moral and verbal requirements.
But I respect them. It is because of their benevolence and justice that the state is governed.
If you want to know more about the moral culture of the Chinese people, check out our highest rated TV series, Ming Dynasty 1566.
Well, that's certainly possible. Then again, it's exactly what you would say if you were actually an anti-China activist operating in disguise or even just some American teenager having fun on the Internet.Replies: @迪路
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995...
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You sound more and more like Taiwanese. And your frequent threats to kill people suggests that you are probably descended from the gangsters that fled to Taiwan with the old, losing Nationalist (KMT) government. Many Taiwanese propagandists call themselves Chinese, which is true, but they pretend to be from the mainland, which is false.
I will be full of nasty words to those I don’t like, but I will be polite to those I like.
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I doubt that you reflect the young people in mainland China. Perhaps you are more typical of those in Taiwan's gangster population.Replies: @迪路
My words reflect the general mental state of Chinese young people born after 1995:
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To understand America and Americans, one needs to understand the presses and how they work. A 1999 book written by a Professor C. John Sommerville is a must read. Sommerville lamented that the age of information in the 2oth century did not make Americans dumb. However, the situation is worse now.
The book has a descriptive title:
How the News Makes Us Dumb: The Death of Wisdom in an Information Society
The following from Amazon’s introduction:
“We who live at the end of the twentieth century are better informed–and more quickly informed–than any people in history. So why do we also seem more confused, divided and foolish than ever before?Some pundits criticize the news media for political bias. Other analysts worry that up-to-the-minute news reports on radio and television oversimplify complex realities. Still more critics point out that today’s reporters can’t possibly be experts on the wide variety of subjects they cover. Historian C. John Sommerville thinks the problem with news is more basic. Focusing his critique on the news at its best, he concludes that even at its best it is beyond repair.Sommerville argues that news began to make us dumber when we insisted on having it daily. Now millions of column inches and airtime hours must be filled with information–every day, every hour, every minute. The news, Sommerville says, becomes the driving force for much of our public culture. News schedules turn politics into a perpetual campaign. News packaging influences the timing, content and perception of government initiatives. News frenzies make a superstition out of scientific and medical research. News polls and statistics create opinion as much as they gauge it. Lost in the tidal wave of information is our ability to discern truly significant news–and our ability to recognize and participate in true community.This eye-opening book is for everyone dissatisfied with the state of the news media, but especially for those who think the news really informs them about and connects them with the real world. Read it and you may never again know the tyranny of the daily newspaper or the nightly news broadcast.”
“The Chinese are rich in satisfaction with their lives…”
Luckily the latest annual World Happiness Report was just released yesterday, so we can all check how much you are bullshitting us again, as usual.
2024 World Happiness Report
https://data.worldhappiness.report/table
Of course the usual suspect countries in Scandinavia appear in the top four spots; China ranks at #68, even behind Russia.
Same old same old,
2024 World Happiness Report
https://data.worldhappiness.report/table
Of course the usual suspect
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Sure, you're right. I hadn't realized that the 2024 figures were out yet, so I'd just used the table I'd put together a few months ago based upon the 2023 figures. Given all of Europe's economic problems, it's not too surprising that the US has now pulled slightly ahead in PPP terms.
EU GDP at PPP = $28.04 trillion
US GDP at PPP = $28.78 trillion = 3% larger
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Certainly. I never meant to imply that even urban Chinese were nearly as affluent as ordinary Americans, though I do think that the gap is closing much more rapidly than most people realize.
China GDP per capita at PPP = $28,010
US GDP per capita at PPP = $89,680 = 3.2 times larger
Even adjusted for purchasing power, China’s GDP per capita is only 31% as much as America’s. Maybe the cities are richer than the countryside. Maybe China has more billionaires than the US. But including everyone, the Chinese people are poor.
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She showed the nice apartment of one of her friends, and I really do think that a pretty sizable fraction of ordinary Americans would be at least a little envious.
Wow, inside a gated community, very safe, and it even has a “western toilet” in a Tier-2 city (Kunming, basically at the southwestern periphery of the country). It is unclear how far from the city center this place is. The design of the furnishings are not to my taste. It is good that video cannot transmit olfactory cues. I might probably get so bored that I would spend much time before the flat screen, thanks to the illegal VPN box. I wonder how many Chinese people would live in a place this size.
Keep on fooling yourself, racist. The Chinese are rich in satisfaction with their lives, communal solidarity, optimism for the future and in the basic decencies of life. You, in your Yankee sewer of ‘deaths of despair’, school massacres, unaffordable housing and health-care, mass homelessness and political HATREDS, are plainly jealous, but all you can do is sneer.
Luckily the latest annual World Happiness Report was just released yesterday, so we can all check how much you are bullshitting us again, as usual.2024 World Happiness Report
"The Chinese are rich in satisfaction with their lives..."
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As Voltaire predicted, they have become a menace to ALL humanity.
Mamma Mia
For instance, in the video you linked, the woman says she leaves her bicycle outside at night and no one steals it. That is a difference between China and America that GDP figures do not capture at all. I would say that’s the difference between a country with Blacks and a country without Blacks. But whatever the reason, China provides its citizens with important non-traded goods – such as living safely in big cities – that Americans no longer have.
Interestingly enough, when I first embedded that video, one of the Chinese commenters said he thought the rent for that apartment was so low because it had a security gate, which people don’t like.
I think what may have happened is that when the first wave of modern buildings were constructed, the designers followed the model of the West and included security gates.
But people soon realized that security gates were unnecessary in China and inconvenient, so they stopped building them.
Or he might be an American teenager having some fun on the Internet...Replies: @Eugene Kusmiak, @迪路, @迪路
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.
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Certainly he makes Chinese people look bad, which from a conspiratorial point of view might suggest he is not Chinese at all, but anti-Chinese.
No. I'm just trying to be accurate. How thin-skinned are you?
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I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.Replies: @Ron Unz
Your humorous logic just playfully demonstrates the inferiority of your white species.... I suggest you stop reading the article and kill yourself �
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.
Or he might be an American teenager having some fun on the Internet…
That is, in order to steal something, it has to exist in the first place to steal.
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That is only really major in South Korea. Plenty of strange ‘love Israel’ protestant sects there, I know from jewish people that they have some places there where they can stay gratis.
2010:
The Shanghai Jewish Refugees Museum has hosted its first wedding, a special moment for an Australian Jew and his Chinese bride. The couple chose to hold Wednesday night's ceremony in the 90-year-old church that forms part of the museum because of the venue's significance for Jews.When other countries shut their doors to Jews during the World Anti-Fascist War, Shanghai was one of the few cities to receive significant numbers of the refugees from Nazi persecution....The wedding was attended by more than 70 foreigners, many of them relatives of the roughly 20,000 Jews who fled to Shanghai during the war.
-https://www.hnmuseum.com/en/aboutus/shanghai-jewish-refugees-museum-hosts-first-wedding
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Shanghai is a Jewish city.
Officials from Shanghai’s Hongkou district government office attended, while more than 150 guests, family and friends of the bride and groom came from locations in Israel, the United States, Russia, China and other countries for the celebration.Rabbis Shalom and Avraham Greenberg, respectively the directors of the Shanghai Jewish Center and the Chabad-Lubavitch center in Shanghai’s Pudong neighborhood, presided over the ceremony, which took place under an elaborate wedding canopy erected in the courtyard of the circa-1927 synagogue.“We want to thank the Shanghai Jewish community and everyone who made our celebration become a reality,†said Ran and Osnat Fridman.
-https://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/1205986/jewish/Traditional-Jewish-Wedding-Brings-Merriment-to-Shanghai-Synagogue.htm�
China is and has always been an image of the future, not the past.Replies: @Che Guava
The city’s long Jewish history, after all, has been an integral component in its astonishing present-day success.As early as 1845, when Shanghai was forcibly opened to foreign trade under the unequal treaties that concluded the Opium Wars, a network of prominent Sephardic Jewish merchant families—the Kadoories, the Hardoons, the Ezras, the Nissims, the Abrahams, the Gubbays, and, most prominently, the Sassoons—took root in the city and eventually joined the ranks of its Western occupying elite.
-https://newrepublic.com/article/118477/shanghai-one-greatest-jewish-cities-ever-constructed�
Abandon hope, all? I read of the Shanghai refugee population of a hundred to eighty or so years ago, had just assumed they all moved elsewhere, especially to their crime centres in Palestine and the U.S.A. Also, they were a minority of a minority there, most of the old refugee population was made up of Russians escaping from Jews.
Depressing news, but not surprising. Parasites evolve to make dislodgement difficult.
Sure, you're right. I hadn't realized that the 2024 figures were out yet, so I'd just used the table I'd put together a few months ago based upon the 2023 figures. Given all of Europe's economic problems, it's not too surprising that the US has now pulled slightly ahead in PPP terms.
EU GDP at PPP = $28.04 trillion
US GDP at PPP = $28.78 trillion = 3% larger
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Certainly. I never meant to imply that even urban Chinese were nearly as affluent as ordinary Americans, though I do think that the gap is closing much more rapidly than most people realize.
China GDP per capita at PPP = $28,010
US GDP per capita at PPP = $89,680 = 3.2 times larger
Even adjusted for purchasing power, China’s GDP per capita is only 31% as much as America’s. Maybe the cities are richer than the countryside. Maybe China has more billionaires than the US. But including everyone, the Chinese people are poor.
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We should not forget thay USA, just as you said in some of yours older great articles has imputed costs at around 4 TRILLIONS (14% of economy, like whole GDP Germany, roughly).
It is, really. very difficult to accout for all this methodological inconsistencies, almost impossible.
Also, different international financial authorities and institutions very often have figures of GPD of same country differ by large amount (20-30% somethimes).
I recommend very short but great book “GDP, a brief but affectionate history” by Diane Coyle.
Princeton University Press (160 pages)
There is no doubt that living costs are much lower in China than in the US. But that’s what the PPP adjustment is for – to measure what average people can buy using local prices. So, even taking into account all the lower prices in China, including rent, the Chinese people are still poorer than Americans.
But there are certainly other considerations that GDP does not capture. GDP shows the amount of private goods, like rent, that people can buy. It does not include public goods that are not purchased which are also very important to life and happiness. For instance, in the video you linked, the woman says she leaves her bicycle outside at night and no one steals it. That is a difference between China and America that GDP figures do not capture at all. I would say that’s the difference between a country with Blacks and a country without Blacks. But whatever the reason, China provides its citizens with important non-traded goods – such as living safely in big cities – that Americans no longer have.
Interestingly enough, when I first embedded that video, one of the Chinese commenters said he thought the rent for that apartment was so low because it had a security gate, which people don't like.
For instance, in the video you linked, the woman says she leaves her bicycle outside at night and no one steals it. That is a difference between China and America that GDP figures do not capture at all. I would say that’s the difference between a country with Blacks and a country without Blacks. But whatever the reason, China provides its citizens with important non-traded goods – such as living safely in big cities – that Americans no longer have.
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One must be careful when using GDP to compare between countries. Not all countries calculate GDP the same way.
The UK includes figures for prostitution and drugs to fluff up their numbers….WTF?
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/drugs-prostitution-they-are-part-gdp-too-u-k-says-n118286
The USA includes “imputations”. For example if your house can be rented at $5000 and you do not rent it out, but live in it instead. The US government still counts it as part of GDP….WTF?
https://www.bea.gov/help/faq/488
China, on the other hand does none of this. Instead it uses a much more conservative way of calculating its GDP. As to why China does this, is a matter for another discussion.
Concludes about the value of the text:
13 years after the publication of the book, you have to wonder what planet Robinson and Acemoglu lived on when they wrote the book and what kind of ideological blindness has led the Nobel economics committee to award the prestigious prize to them.
Bear in mind the book was published in 2012 – four years after the 2008 financial crisis when “extractive†Wall Street elite gave the world the subprime crisis and Obama bailed out the financial masters of universe at the expense of high street.
Their conclusions bring to mind Mao’s analysis of the White Paper Mao issued explaining Acheson’s account for explaining events in China:
“. . .Acheson, like a bourgeois professor lecturing on a tedious text, has pretended to trace the cause and effects of events in China. Revolution occurred in China, first, because of overpopulation and, second because of the stimulus of Western ideas.. . .But in what follows, even this bit of tedious and phoney (sic) theory of causation disappears, and one finds only a mass of inexplicable events. The Chinese fought among themselves for power and money, suspecting and hating each other. An inexplicable change took place in the relative moral strength of the two contending parties, the Kuomintag and the Communist Party; the morale of one party dropped sharply below zero, while that of the other rose sharply to white heat. What was the reason? Nobody knows. Such is thee logic inherent in the high order of culture’ of the United States as represented by Acheson.”
Such, indeed is the “high order of culture” of the conclusion of authors that:
The authors argued that the U.S.’s success was not due to geography, culture, or natural resources, but rather its inclusive institutions and an elite that work to advance the interests of the population.
Were that so, were the people of Fiji to fully commit themslves to an “inclusive” system, they could put themselves on the road to world power.
Idiotic does not fully describe their conclusion which confirms Mao’s assessment of the high order of the culture of not only the US, but the Western world that subscribes to it.
EU GDP at PPP = $28.04 trillion
US GDP at PPP = $28.78 trillion = 3% larger
Sure, you’re right. I hadn’t realized that the 2024 figures were out yet, so I’d just used the table I’d put together a few months ago based upon the 2023 figures. Given all of Europe’s economic problems, it’s not too surprising that the US has now pulled slightly ahead in PPP terms.
China GDP per capita at PPP = $28,010
US GDP per capita at PPP = $89,680 = 3.2 times largerEven adjusted for purchasing power, China’s GDP per capita is only 31% as much as America’s. Maybe the cities are richer than the countryside. Maybe China has more billionaires than the US. But including everyone, the Chinese people are poor.
Certainly. I never meant to imply that even urban Chinese were nearly as affluent as ordinary Americans, though I do think that the gap is closing much more rapidly than most people realize.
The comparison I’d intended was between urban Chinese and most Third Worlders, such as the ordinary people of the Dominican Republic, whom I think are enormously lower in their standard of living despite having fairly similar per capita national GDPs.
And I do think that the outstanding Chinese urban infrastructure has to be taken into account when comparing their standard of living even with affluent Westerners.
Finally, here’s an interesting standard of living datapoint I found in another video from that same young South African woman. She showed the nice apartment of one of her friends, and I really do think that a pretty sizable fraction of ordinary Americans would be at least a little envious.
And once they discovered that the apartment came fully-furnished with a rent of just $300/month plus $100/year for utilities, they’d be even much more envious:
Wow, inside a gated community, very safe, and it even has a "western toilet" in a Tier-2 city (Kunming, basically at the southwestern periphery of the country). It is unclear how far from the city center this place is. The design of the furnishings are not to my taste. It is good that video cannot transmit olfactory cues. I might probably get so bored that I would spend much time before the flat screen, thanks to the illegal VPN box. I wonder how many Chinese people would live in a place this size.Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
She showed the nice apartment of one of her friends, and I really do think that a pretty sizable fraction of ordinary Americans would be at least a little envious.
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Concludes about the value of the content of book:
13 years after the publication of the book, you have to wonder what planet Robinson and Acemoglu lived on when they wrote the book and what kind of ideological blindness has led the Nobel economics committee to award the prestigious prize to them.
Bear in mind the book was published in 2012 – four years after the 2008 financial crisis when “extractive†Wall Street elite gave the world the subprime crisis and Obama bailed out the financial masters of universe at the expense of high street.
Taking the reviewer at his word, I won’t bother glancing at this yet another recycling of Western capitalists propagandists extolling the virtues and superiority the the capitalists extractive system of production the impoverishing its workers who produce the wealth the rich skim off for themselves.
This review indeed cements this newest (well actually rehashed) version of the long series of authors who have for decades spent their academic careers writ4ing similar trash extolling the virtues of the capitalist mode of production, starting with the series on Comparative Politics published by Little, Brown and Company under the editorship of the stars of political science, the great and exalted Gabriel Almond, James Coleman and Lucian Pie., with Almond and his sidekick Sidney Verba leading the parade with the Civic Culture {[1963] that ranked societies by how close they each come to the civic culture of the US that promises great success etc., etc., etc., with the Vietnam
just looming on the horizon the led to blowing it apart with the resistance to the war and the mutiny of the troops driving LBJ out office that was not exactly how a civic culture was supposed to operate.
Indeed it was the members of this brotherhood who in either late 1968 or early 1968 early 1968 published an article in the American Political Science Review that concluded the opposition to the war was too insignificant to threaten LBJ’s reelection. I laughed then and the article still brings out a chuckle at the idiocy they were propounding.
But that’s only the tip of the iceberg for what this band of clowns has publi9shed to extoll the virtues of capitalists societies.
Who, after all, can forget (actually still remember) Fukujama and his “End of History” crap after the of Communism heralded the beginning of a new world that forever ended class conflict and portended the endless repetition of capitalist nirvana and others of that ilk who followed.
The real dynamics of social change and development is to be found in Col. Boyd’s OODA loop that points to how people act and react to events in the world which is based on the key word observation, orientation, decision, action, with action looping back to observation feeding into orientation that is the learned cognition based on apprehending the results of actions prompted by the decision which becomes the learned content of the cognition that is the basis for the orientation that is the foundation for subsequent decision and action.
Now t4he way these loop plays into and generates the satisfaction individuals in a community realize from their productive activity activity is that the more closely the value of their inputs reflects the value of the outputs they receive from participating in productive activities, the more they will be satisfied to maximize their effort they place into creating outp0uts; the converse, however, is that the greater the disparity between the value of the input they have to supply relative the value of the outputs they receive, and the value of the outputs received by others exceeds the value of their inputs, the greater is the dissatisfaction that will be generated that that generates opportion to the the existing system.
ANY SYSTEM IN WHICH THIS DISPARITY CONTINUES AND EVEN GROWS FOR LONG ENOUGH IS ON THE ROAD TO EXTINCTION.
you’re attacking us
No. I’m just trying to be accurate. How thin-skinned are you?
Your humorous logic just playfully demonstrates the inferiority of your white species…. I suggest you stop reading the article and kill yourself
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.
Or he might be an American teenager having some fun on the Internet...Replies: @Eugene Kusmiak, @迪路, @迪路
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.
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Dude you don't know what you are talking, and certainly not knowing Chinese would rather keep a low profile than flaunting it like niqqers.Lots of Chinese have side business, 2nd or 3rd place to collect rent, a small but steady incomed joint-venture with families, closed friends (grocery store, mini-stop, gasoline stand etc), grey income of side cash from outside offers (Teacher opening class outside school, workman give service outside company, lawyer giving consulting outside his firm etc,,)
ut the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China’s per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That’s how poor the Chinese people are per person now.�
Chinese government did not count those [businesses] in deliberately, as they don’t want their economy sound too ‘hot’
So the Chinese are lying, to make themselves look bad. Nice try.
There was certainly a decline, but I don't think it was that sharp, at least according to the World Bank data:
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China’s leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered...
Even at PPP, China’s per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That’s how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
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I certainly agree that the European countries have become vassals, but I think that's much more due to the political and media control exerted by the US rather than economic factors.
At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European “vassalsâ€.
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You’re right about the EU vs. US statistics. According to the IMF for 2024:
EU GDP = $20.3 trillion.
US GDP = $29.0 trillion = 43% larger
EU GDP at PPP = $28.04 trillion
US GDP at PPP = $28.78 trillion = 3% larger
The US is still larger, but not as much larger as I thought.
But as your graph of GDP growth in China shows, Chinese growth fell from about 10% to about 6% under Xi. That’s high growth by rich country standards, but China is still a poor country:
China GDP per capita at PPP = $28,010
US GDP per capita at PPP = $89,680 = 3.2 times larger
Even adjusted for purchasing power, China’s GDP per capita is only 31% as much as America’s. Maybe the cities are richer than the countryside. Maybe China has more billionaires than the US. But including everyone, the Chinese people are poor.
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD
Sure, you're right. I hadn't realized that the 2024 figures were out yet, so I'd just used the table I'd put together a few months ago based upon the 2023 figures. Given all of Europe's economic problems, it's not too surprising that the US has now pulled slightly ahead in PPP terms.
EU GDP at PPP = $28.04 trillion
US GDP at PPP = $28.78 trillion = 3% larger
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Certainly. I never meant to imply that even urban Chinese were nearly as affluent as ordinary Americans, though I do think that the gap is closing much more rapidly than most people realize.
China GDP per capita at PPP = $28,010
US GDP per capita at PPP = $89,680 = 3.2 times larger
Even adjusted for purchasing power, China’s GDP per capita is only 31% as much as America’s. Maybe the cities are richer than the countryside. Maybe China has more billionaires than the US. But including everyone, the Chinese people are poor.
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China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China's leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered. The result is that, in spite of the amazing growth before Xi, China is still a very poor country. Yes, their GDP is larger than the US GDP when measured at Purchasing Power Parity. But that's not because they're rich, it's because they're big. Put a billion pitifully poor people in one country, and their total GDP adds up to a big number. But the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China's per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That's how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Robinson and Acemoglu contended China’s economic performance to date (at the 2012 publication date), while impressive, was unsustainable and would falter. �
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world. 20 years ago, people talked about Europe as an economic block that could challenge the US. At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European "vassals".
The US economic system thrived on creative destruction as the inclusive institutions encourage competition, reward innovation, and provide opportunities for new entrants into the market. �
This is the list a prisoner would recite when his jailors put a gun to his head. I hope Hua Bin is safe.Replies: @dearieme, @Vidi, @Ron Unz, @Cloudwalker, @迪路, @Antiwar7, @showmethereal
world's most handsome man
world's greatest athlete
world's highest ever recorded IQ
world's greatest writer, artist, and musician
God's gift to women �
The fact that you’re attacking us for touting our leaders is pointless.
We have a collective leadership on our side, in fact, it is more the achievement of the team behind that leadership.
If you want to think that praise is meaningless, you might as well evaluate the braggadocio of a liar like Trump.
He listed so many achievements for himself.
What does this Trump trash really offer you?
Your humorous logic just playfully demonstrates the inferiority of your white species.
My assessment is that you can’t even criticize people very well.
I suggest you stop reading the article and kill yourself early to increase the average IQ of the world.
No. I'm just trying to be accurate. How thin-skinned are you?
you’re attacking us �
I think you are literally the first mentally-ill Chinese person I have ever encountered.Replies: @Ron Unz
Your humorous logic just playfully demonstrates the inferiority of your white species.... I suggest you stop reading the article and kill yourself �
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China's leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered. The result is that, in spite of the amazing growth before Xi, China is still a very poor country. Yes, their GDP is larger than the US GDP when measured at Purchasing Power Parity. But that's not because they're rich, it's because they're big. Put a billion pitifully poor people in one country, and their total GDP adds up to a big number. But the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China's per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That's how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Robinson and Acemoglu contended China’s economic performance to date (at the 2012 publication date), while impressive, was unsustainable and would falter. �
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world. 20 years ago, people talked about Europe as an economic block that could challenge the US. At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European "vassals".
The US economic system thrived on creative destruction as the inclusive institutions encourage competition, reward innovation, and provide opportunities for new entrants into the market. �
This is the list a prisoner would recite when his jailors put a gun to his head. I hope Hua Bin is safe.Replies: @dearieme, @Vidi, @Ron Unz, @Cloudwalker, @迪路, @Antiwar7, @showmethereal
world's most handsome man
world's greatest athlete
world's highest ever recorded IQ
world's greatest writer, artist, and musician
God's gift to women �
ut the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China’s per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That’s how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Dude you don’t know what you are talking, and certainly not knowing Chinese would rather keep a low profile than flaunting it like niqqers.
Lots of Chinese have side business, 2nd or 3rd place to collect rent, a small but steady incomed joint-venture with families, closed friends (grocery store, mini-stop, gasoline stand etc), grey income of side cash from outside offers (Teacher opening class outside school, workman give service outside company, lawyer giving consulting outside his firm etc,,)
Chinese government did not count those in deliberately, as they don’t want their economy sound too ‘hot’ among nations whose economies are largely in stagnation and recession.
The major purchasing force behind every country are Chinese, if they stop purchasing that could result in one industry dying off, the majority of tourists in every single ‘developed’ countries are Chinese, Chinese are behind lots trades and selling as well in the fields you never heared of,
What I can suggest wyrite incels on Unz is, try do a demo in front of WH, (expenses & meal provided)
demand cut all ties with China, because Chinese GDP figures are fake as hell and everyone is in poverty there is no need to trade with them, let japs and phlipinos fill the void Chinese left.
Call me when you get 10 signs on your petition letter
So the Chinese are lying, to make themselves look bad. Nice try.
Chinese government did not count those [businesses] in deliberately, as they don’t want their economy sound too ‘hot’ �
Much appreciated!
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China's leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered. The result is that, in spite of the amazing growth before Xi, China is still a very poor country. Yes, their GDP is larger than the US GDP when measured at Purchasing Power Parity. But that's not because they're rich, it's because they're big. Put a billion pitifully poor people in one country, and their total GDP adds up to a big number. But the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China's per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That's how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Robinson and Acemoglu contended China’s economic performance to date (at the 2012 publication date), while impressive, was unsustainable and would falter. �
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world. 20 years ago, people talked about Europe as an economic block that could challenge the US. At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European "vassals".
The US economic system thrived on creative destruction as the inclusive institutions encourage competition, reward innovation, and provide opportunities for new entrants into the market. �
This is the list a prisoner would recite when his jailors put a gun to his head. I hope Hua Bin is safe.Replies: @dearieme, @Vidi, @Ron Unz, @Cloudwalker, @迪路, @Antiwar7, @showmethereal
world's most handsome man
world's greatest athlete
world's highest ever recorded IQ
world's greatest writer, artist, and musician
God's gift to women �
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China’s leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered…
Even at PPP, China’s per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That’s how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
There was certainly a decline, but I don’t think it was that sharp, at least according to the World Bank data:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2023&locations=CN&start=1961&view=chart
For example, from 1999 to 2012, annual GDP growth had averaged just under 10%, having fallen to 7.9% in 2012. Then in 2013-2019 the average dropped to just under 7%. But 7% is still enough to double the economy every decade, a growth rate matched by very few large countries in history. The sharper decline came after Covid and the bursting of the huge real estate bubble, when growth generally dropped to 5% or less. As Jeffrey Sachs has emphasized, this was also partly due to the American economic war against China.
Also, Hua published a very interesting post last month noting that since the GDP contribution of the property industry over the last few years had been negative, e.g. -2% in 2024, the rest of the economy had actually grown at considerably higher rates such as 7% in 2024.
https://www.unz.com/bhua/why-is-the-average-chinese-not-unhappy-with-slower-economic-growth/
I also think the negative comparison with e.g. the Dominican Republic is due to rural China, which is still rather poor. However, the 900 million Chinese living in urban China seem to be much, much wealthier.
Consider, the infrastructure in urban China. Based upon what I’ve seen from all the Western YouTubers, it seems about the best in the world for any large country, far superior to that in the US or the EU, let alone Third World countries such as the Dominican Republic.
For example, upthread I happened to embed a couple of videos that popped up in my YouTube suggestion box showing the recent travels of a couple of young Western women living in China whose channels I’ve occasionally watched:
https://www.unz.com/bhua/the-2024-nobel-economics-prize-is-a-farce/#comment-7042669
I’ve never seen anything like that in any major American city, and I think it would be unimaginable in any Third World country. There are lots of other videos and channels showing the same thing.
At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European “vassalsâ€.
I certainly agree that the European countries have become vassals, but I think that’s much more due to the political and media control exerted by the US rather than economic factors.
And unless I’m mistaken, the latest 2023 figures show that the nominal US GDP is just under 50% larger than that of the EU rather than double. Meanwhile, I think that the more realistic PPP-adjusted totals still put the EU slightly ahead of the US. Finally, if we focus on the “Productive PPP” figures (excluding services, which are much more easily subject to manipulation), the EU’s Productive PPP GDP is almost 40% larger than that of the US.
Political Unit Nominal GDP PPP GDP Productive PPP GDP
European Union 18,349,000 25,399,000 6,782,000
USA 27,361,000 24,662,000 4,932,000
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-a-rising-china-faces-the-west/#t_1
There is, of course, no such thing as The Nobel Prize” for economics, it is a creation of, funded by, the Swedish National Bank. Founded and funded by liars for their own purposes: The continuation of Monetary extraction.
What fires—where–name the province—factory and city !!!!
Why do we still think books are the source of the whole truth and knowledge when there’s the internet? So much that has been written ages ago is all so dangerously nonsensical and needs to be discarded.. Books that are regarded as holy by some sections of society all over the world are sources of hatred and friction.. NetanYAHOO relies on some ancient writings to commit genocide in Palestine when Cyril Janssen who is covering China on YT so well, gets no recognition from any establishment who think they own the truth like the books they are churning out..
> Israel Epstein who served as China’s head of international public relations
… It seems that Right-wing cranks have to inflate the role of any Jew that they can find
“Right-wing cranks” such as The Jewish Journal?
Israel Epstein from Poland, a journalist who served as the Chinese government’s head of international public relations
Less than 10% of Indians speak any English. And that number is going down. The Brits built Potemkin cities and extractive railroads, that stunk. The British were absolutely corrupt, on a level than would make Seneca blush. The British taxed peasants to starvation on a mass scale, then stole the lands. Nonsense.
This the effect of half a century of intense anti-white activism/propaganda.
Altogether a fine example of politically-correct know-nothingness.
She got thirty-two for the size of her arse. Perhaps the Carcrashians could pick up a few, too.
Vidi, China cannot grow at 10% any more because it is SO large. The growth MUST slow, as the aggregated additions every year are so VAST. In any case they are going for quality, rather than quantity, with huge technological advances and great social progress for their people, AND the people of the world. And the US economy is hugely financialised, so its progress is mostly flim-flam, designed to advantage ONLY the rich parasites.
China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year. The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there. This was forward-looking and has been validated by the following decade of much slower growth in China. Xi Jinping became China's leader in 2013 and economic growth immediately fell to half of what it had been before 2013 and has never recovered. The result is that, in spite of the amazing growth before Xi, China is still a very poor country. Yes, their GDP is larger than the US GDP when measured at Purchasing Power Parity. But that's not because they're rich, it's because they're big. Put a billion pitifully poor people in one country, and their total GDP adds up to a big number. But the people there are still impoverished by Western standards, or even by Eastern standards like those of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc. Even at PPP, China's per capita GDP is lower than many Third World dumps like the Dominican Republic. That's how poor the Chinese people are per person now.
Robinson and Acemoglu contended China’s economic performance to date (at the 2012 publication date), while impressive, was unsustainable and would falter. �
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world. 20 years ago, people talked about Europe as an economic block that could challenge the US. At the time, the GDP of the EU was actually larger than the GDP of the US. After 20 years of the US continually growing faster than Europe, today US GDP is double EU GDP, and we speak of European "vassals".
The US economic system thrived on creative destruction as the inclusive institutions encourage competition, reward innovation, and provide opportunities for new entrants into the market. �
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China’s economic performance did in fact falter the very next year.
According to the World Bank (link), China’s growth rate went from 7.9 percent in 2012 to 7.8 percent in 2013. If you call that “faltering”, fine. But most people would think you were exaggerating. In any case, American would be ecstatic if the USA grew even half that fast.
Of course, China’s growth rate was 5.2% in 2023 (and much the same last year). That is rather low, but then China is no longer pumping its real estate bubble. I expect the growth to resume when the country’s heavy investments in renewable power and high technology start to pay off. In any case, even today’s relatively low growth has been making Biden and Trump insanely jealous.
The book was published in 2012, and it was pessimistic about China in spite of the previous 30 years of unremitting and extraordinary economic growth there.
China’s growth has not been “unremitting”. In 1990, it dropped to 3.9 percent.
Like it or not, the US has been by far the strongest economy in the Western world.
You were certainly correct to use a past tense. China’s economy is now significantly larger than the US, according to the World Bank (link) — if you measure it in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms, i.e. in terms of what you can actually buy with your money, which is what really matters. GDPs in 2023, measured by PPP: USA $27.7 trillion; China $34.7 trillion.
I could not agree more and one is tempted to argue that this FAKE “Nobel prize†is like “putting lipstick on a pigâ€.
"Nobel despised people who cared more about profits than society's well-being".There is nothing to indicate that he would have wanted such a prize", and that the association with the Nobel prizes is "a PR coup by economists to improve their reputation". �
So what happened to the people of Ukraine after the US orchestrated coup in 2014 and installed a neoliberal “market†there?
In recent years, Western countries and institutions have provided massive military and economic assistance to Ukraine, which became the top recipient of US foreign aid – marking the first time since the Marshall Plan that a European country holds this top spot. 7 As of December 2022, less than one year into the war, the US has allocated over US$113 billion to Ukraine, including US$65 billion of military aid, 8 which is more than the entire budget of the State Department and USAID globally (US$58 billion).9
The report details how Western aid has been conditioned to a drastic structural adjustment program, which includes austerity measures, cuts in social safety nets, and the privatization of key sectors of the economy. A central condition has been the creation of a land market, put into law in 2020 under President Zelenskyy, despite opposition from a majority of Ukrainians fearing that it will exacerbate corruption in the agricultural sector and reinforce its control by powerful interests.
Ukraine is now the world’s third-largest debtor to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and its crippling debt burden will likely result in additional pressure from its creditors, bondholders, and international financial institutions on how post-war reconstruction – estimated to cost US$750 billion – should happen.
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the [economics award’s] association with the Nobel prizes is “a PR coup by economists to improve their reputationâ€
Heh, this reminds me of another notable quote: “The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.” — Dr. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yes in a way economics is a branch of psychology so indeed the smart thing to do for business schools and economics departments is to hire behavioral psychologists.
For instance the Harvard Business School being on top of this has Dr. Francesca Gino. Her collaboration with Israeli superstar psychologist Dan Ariely among others around topics like …oh say; “The Moral Virtue of Authenticity: How Inauthenticity Produces Feelings of Immorality and Impurity” is fascinating, truly ground-breaking research and certainly worthy of consideration by the Nobel committee (it’s not like those idiots are not really trying anyways ex. the 2025 economics prize).
…oh wait…in the immortal words of Emily Litella; “…NEVER MIND”.
(to set the record straight, the actual wording of Ms. Litella’s original phrase was “screw you and the horse you rode in on” but somehow she was misquoted)
Britain's greatness came from its Industrial Revolution. The world's leading manufacturer needed raw materials which it traded for. Same as China now searches for raw materials around the world building infrastructure in exchange.
The white West proves exactly the opposite– “extractive†system made the West an economic success. Britain’s greatness was built on its extraction from its colonies– in particular, India.
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Less than 10% of Indians speak any English. And that number is going down. The Brits built Potemkin cities and extractive railroads, that stunk. The British were absolutely corrupt, on a level than would make Seneca blush. The British taxed peasants to starvation on a mass scale, then stole the lands. Nonsense.
This the effect of half a century of intense anti-white activism/propaganda.
Less than 10% of Indians speak any English. And that number is going down. The Brits built Potemkin cities and extractive railroads, that stunk. The British were absolutely corrupt, on a level than would make Seneca blush. The British taxed peasants to starvation on a mass scale, then stole the lands. Nonsense.
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The Japanese also killed off the Rice Bag Muslim and Christian elites throughout SE Asia. Also needed.