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�⇅All / On "Blank slatism"
    This interesting and seemingly comprehensive survey of free speech attitudes at US colleges was posted a few weeks ago: 2020 College Free Speech Rankings (also reproduced here). Useful complement to the FIRE Disinvitation Database. Although it's well known that there has been a large-scale shift against the concept of free speech on the Left over...
  • Canada and Australia are able to combine blank slatism with cognitively elitist immigration policies, no? Thus, in theory, why can’t the US do the same thing?

  • @E. Harding
    What would be wrong with one billion Africo-Americans? Most Americans surely appear fine with it, and such countries as Uganda, Rwanda, and Ghana (all with less coronavirus deaths than South Korea) appear to have done fine with tackling coronavirus, which no European countries of a similar population have. Even Zimbabwe and Malawi have been lightly hit, if you believe the official statistics. Afrotriumph is the corollary to Asiatriumph, and if 2020 has been anything, it has been the human development equivalent to the Russo-Japanese war. Civilizational regression my foot.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hyperborean, @Daniel Chieh

    Even Zimbabwe and Malawi have been lightly hit, if you believe the official statistics.

    The rewards of bad data.

    •ï¿½LOL: Dan Hayes
  • @128
    Well at least Mormons have managed to create well functioning societies? Libertarians? And no, US society before 1960 was not Libertarian.

    Replies: @AP

    Much of the frontier West was libertarian. The contrast between the libertarian, ramshackle non-Mormon American West and the orderly, clean, well-organised traditionally Mormon parts of the Old West is striking.

  • @Dan Hayes
    @Almost Missouri

    My original statement about overrepresentation of homosexuals of the Jewish variety at the U of C was a one-off repeat of what someone at UR once said. Perhaps I should not have repeated it without further checking it out. BTW, once again thanks for your thorough and welcome response. And VIVA the U of C!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The archetype UofC Jewish homosexual was Allan Bloom. In fact, he is the only one I know of. He was about the opposite of an SJW.

    •ï¿½Agree: Dan Hayes
  • Well at least Mormons have managed to create well functioning societies? Libertarians? And no, US society before 1960 was not Libertarian.

    •ï¿½Replies: @AP
    @128

    Much of the frontier West was libertarian. The contrast between the libertarian, ramshackle non-Mormon American West and the orderly, clean, well-organised traditionally Mormon parts of the Old West is striking.
  • @E. Harding
    What would be wrong with one billion Africo-Americans? Most Americans surely appear fine with it, and such countries as Uganda, Rwanda, and Ghana (all with less coronavirus deaths than South Korea) appear to have done fine with tackling coronavirus, which no European countries of a similar population have. Even Zimbabwe and Malawi have been lightly hit, if you believe the official statistics. Afrotriumph is the corollary to Asiatriumph, and if 2020 has been anything, it has been the human development equivalent to the Russo-Japanese war. Civilizational regression my foot.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hyperborean, @Daniel Chieh

    Afrotriumph is the corollary to Asiatriumph, and if 2020 has been anything, it has been the human development equivalent to the Russo-Japanese war. Civilizational regression my foot.

    [MORE]

    Jinruikan Incident (Humankind Pavilion Incident) (人類館事件)

    Jinruikan Incident, also known as ‘Gakujutsu-Jinruikan Incident’ or Osaka Exhibition Incident,’ occurred at ‘Gakujutsu-Jinruikan’ in the fifth National Industrial Exhibition held in 1903 at Tennoji, Osaka, at the exhibition, living people dressed in their ethnic costumes and their ethnic houses were exhibited, those people were from Okinawa, Korea, India, Malaysia, Java and Africa as well as the Ainu tribe and the Takasago tribe of Taiwan.

    […]

    Osaka Exhibition

    In the Meiji period, products of culture and systems were introduced to Japan from Western in various ways and exhibition was one of them. As Japan had participated in international exhibitions since the end of the Edo period, it began to actively hold ‘the National Industrial Exhibitions’ as a means of fukoku kyohei (fortifying the country, strengthening the military) in the Meiji period. The initial purpose of the exhibitions was to serve as a place to introduce the products of culture and learn the techniques from the Western, and to work on them. The fifth Osaka Exhibition revealed its negative side of ‘point of view of Imperialism’. This was because Japan started to gain self-pride as one of the world’s powerful countries after winning the Sino-Japanese war.

    The ‘human exhibition’ was conducted in Gakujutsu-Jinruikan (Academic Humankind Pavilion) and Taiwan Pavilion at the Osaka Exhibition.
    In “Fuzoku Gaho” (Manners and Customs in Pictures) no. 269 published in 1903, Gakujutsu-Jinruikan Pavilion was described as follows:
    On the other hand, Taiwan Pavilion, which had a richly-colored romon (two-storied gates) and yokuro (side structures), featured 15 sections such as farming, horticulture, and manners and customs. This was set up to make public the actual condition of Taiwan, which had already been colonized by Japan for nine years. Taiwan Pavilion was constantly set up in the subsequent exhibitions, and became a model for additional ‘Colony Pavilions,’ including Sakhalin Pavilion, Manchuria Pavilion, Takushoku (Colonizing) Pavilion and Korea Pavilion in accordance with increase of colonies.
    Spread of backlash

    In Japan many people from southern and northern part visited the exhibition thanks to improved domestic transportation such as railways and ships, in addition, after the Sino-Japanese war more and more people in China and Korea wished to come Japan to study and those foreign students also visited the exhibition. They simply admired what was exhibited and had no choice but to recognize the achievements of the Meiji restoration. However their admiration was turned into a sense of opposition when they visited the Gakujutsu-Jinrui Pavilion and Taiwan Pavilion. This triggered the incident. Because people from the regions where introduced in those pavilions strongly opposed to the exhibition and this became a diplomatic issue.
    Okinawa Prefecture

    In Okinawa, the people opposed against the display of the prostitutes who were taken from Okinawa as ‘Ryukyu Women’. For instance, “Ryukyu Shinpo” dated April 11, launched a fierce campaign against it, claiming it was like ‘seeing us equal to the Seiban tribe (Taiwan’s indigenous people who were incorporated into the Han people) or the Ainu tribe.” In particular, Chofu OTA, a media figure from Okinawa, led the protest movement, raising a chorus of complaints throughout Okinawa Prefecture, which put an end to the display of the Okinawa people.

    At that time, the people in Okinawa were increasingly more conscious that those who lived in Okinawa, including Chofu OTA, were citizens of the Empire of Japan and are in the same ethnic group as the people on mainland Japan, so the protest was also meant to complain about being treated equally to the other ethnic groups.
    Qing

    Some fierce protests came from Qing in the same manner. First of all, the students staying in Japan and the Qing consulate officials in Kobe who found out in advance by advertisements that the people of the Han race were to be displayed at Gakujutsu-Jinrui Pavilion protested against it, and the Japanese government cancelled the exhibition in response. This was because it quickly became a diplomatic issue as the Imperial family and high officials had been invited from Qing before the opening of the Exhibition.

    A man taking opium and a woman with bound feet were to be displayed at Gakujutsu-Jinrui Pavilion.

    The second wave of protest came over the exhibition at Taiwan Pavilion. This was because the students from Qing suspected that the Taiwanese women on display were actually from Hunan, China. The matter was settled when they turned out to be from Taiwan in fact.
    Structure of Opposition: between ‘Civilization’ and ‘Barbarism’

    It should be natural that opposition was generated in the regions whose people were ‘on display’. Those protest movement was directed to Japan in Meiji period that tried to make those regions symbol of ‘barbarian’and Japan symbol of’civilization’. It is not to be denied that Japan in Meiji period, which represented itself as being ‘civilized’, desired to assimilate into the powerful countries of Western Europe, and it has been pointed out that this attitude was discriminatory. However, those who opposed, such as in Okinawa and Qing, were not anti-discriminatory, as a matter of fact.

    For instance, Kaoru KINJO points out that while the display of the Okinawa people were successfully cancelled due to protest movement by residents in Okinawa, the exhibition of other ethnic groups continued to the last, and he insists “Even some of the people in Okinawa felt humiliated to have people from Okinawa displayed with other ethnic groups and they were also in a position to discriminate”.

    Also, the students from Qing lamented, saying, “India and Okinawa have already been lost countries, being slaves of Britain and Japan. Korea used to be our vassal state, and now they are a protected state of Russia and Japan. The Javanese, the Ainu tribe and the Seiban tribe are all lowly races and no better than beasts.
    Even if we Chinese are despised, why should we be treated in the same way as them?” (Issue No.2, 1903 of “Sekko-cho” ï¼»monthly Chinese magazineï¼½)
    This suggests that the reason of their opposition was being treated equally to the other “barbarian” ethnic groups. This also reveals their desire to be equal to Japan and Western European countries by sharing a discriminatory view point of the same nature.

    These discourse of civilization vs. barbarianism as stated above involved not only Western Europe and Japan, but those regions discriminated by them. Both powerful and non powerful countries shared a mindset to accomplish fortifying their country by measuring the difference between being civilized and barbarian by comparison, and inciting a desire to minimize or expand the difference. It should have been very difficult to think and make statements from outside of the civilization vs. barbarianism logic when social evolutionism swept the world as the latest scientific theory. It can be said that this played the role of reproducing discrimination while moving toward the goals of fortifying the country. Jinruikan Incident showed a side of the discourse of civilization vs. barbarianism.

    https://japanese-wiki-corpus.github.io/history/Jinruikan%20Incident%20(Humankind%20Pavilion%20Incident).html

  • 128 says:

    It is easy to complain how the Imperium is a bunch of stuck ups not allowing people to say what they really want to say when you live in an agri world or a medieval world surrounded by 100 chapters of Space Marines whose only job is to guard your agri world?

  • @Almost Missouri
    @Dan Hayes

    It is heavily Jewish, but my impression is that the Jews there have always been somewhat deracinated compared to coastal Jews. Perhaps because U of Chicago never had the WASP pedigree of Ivy League schools, there was no Jewish ethnic triumphalism in dominating it. Instead, Jewish overrepresentation was merely a consequence of Jewish cognitive outperformance. So perhaps its an actual case of that oft cited but seldom seen phenomenon: a meritocracy.

    Or maybe being further from traditional Jewish centers like Brooklyn and Beverly Hills, Jews in Chicago just drift more towards the American middle.

    If the Jews there are more homosexual than average for Jews, I can't say.

    As for why it is so far ahead of everyone else in freedom of speech ... there definitely is a cultural tradition in that direction. When "safe spaces" and cancel culture were first becoming a mania, the dean sent a letter to incoming freshmen saying, in effect, forget about safe spaces or canceling rhetorical opponents, you're coming here to think, not to evade.

    I think what underlies this tradition is that U of C prides itself on intellectual acumen much more than the traditional Ivy League-style "well rounded" gentlemen-scholar institutions do. At Chicago, intellectual truth is everything. Social class, athleticism, wealth, etc. count for naught. No self-respecting professor, or even student, wants to admit that his intellect cannot withstand someone else's argument. Cancelling an opponent is really just admitting you're too dumb to compete. No U of C-er wants that shame.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    My original statement about overrepresentation of homosexuals of the Jewish variety at the U of C was a one-off repeat of what someone at UR once said. Perhaps I should not have repeated it without further checking it out. BTW, once again thanks for your thorough and welcome response. And VIVA the U of C!

    •ï¿½Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Dan Hayes

    The archetype UofC Jewish homosexual was Allan Bloom. In fact, he is the only one I know of. He was about the opposite of an SJW.
  • As for the haredi and orthodox, is there any proof that they are dumber? Maybe they are just not interested in taking the type of intelligence tests that non-haredis take.

  • Is there not data that Episcopalians score higher or as high as Jews, and that there are a lot more Episcopalians around in the US than Jews? So there should be no basis for Jews dominating any academic institution on the basis of IQ alone. But then IQ does not account for such things related to as competitiveness, and that could account for that. Incidentally, what would an intelligent, but highly nepotistic group look like anyway?

  • @Dan Hayes
    I am under the impression that the Univ of Chicago student body is overrepresented by Jewish homosexuals! Is that correct? If so, surprising free speech result since this student cohort are quintessential SJWs. Only explanation would be that the UoC administrators are super cohonies endowed!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    It is heavily Jewish, but my impression is that the Jews there have always been somewhat deracinated compared to coastal Jews. Perhaps because U of Chicago never had the WASP pedigree of Ivy League schools, there was no Jewish ethnic triumphalism in dominating it. Instead, Jewish overrepresentation was merely a consequence of Jewish cognitive outperformance. So perhaps its an actual case of that oft cited but seldom seen phenomenon: a meritocracy.

    Or maybe being further from traditional Jewish centers like Brooklyn and Beverly Hills, Jews in Chicago just drift more towards the American middle.

    If the Jews there are more homosexual than average for Jews, I can’t say.

    As for why it is so far ahead of everyone else in freedom of speech … there definitely is a cultural tradition in that direction. When “safe spaces” and cancel culture were first becoming a mania, the dean sent a letter to incoming freshmen saying, in effect, forget about safe spaces or canceling rhetorical opponents, you’re coming here to think, not to evade.

    I think what underlies this tradition is that U of C prides itself on intellectual acumen much more than the traditional Ivy League-style “well rounded” gentlemen-scholar institutions do. At Chicago, intellectual truth is everything. Social class, athleticism, wealth, etc. count for naught. No self-respecting professor, or even student, wants to admit that his intellect cannot withstand someone else’s argument. Cancelling an opponent is really just admitting you’re too dumb to compete. No U of C-er wants that shame.

    •ï¿½Thanks: Dan Hayes
    •ï¿½Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Almost Missouri

    My original statement about overrepresentation of homosexuals of the Jewish variety at the U of C was a one-off repeat of what someone at UR once said. Perhaps I should not have repeated it without further checking it out. BTW, once again thanks for your thorough and welcome response. And VIVA the U of C!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri
  • @Not Raul
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I dunno.

    The people associated with the University of Virginia tend to have a great deal of pride about the school’s heritage.

    South Carolina has been desperate for corporate money for decades. They cuck for bucks.

    I think that the rankings look pretty reasonable.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Upstate SC (i.e. Clemson) has not been desperate for corporate money for a long time. The metro Colombia area (USC) on the other hand probably has been desperate, as it is a niggra infested serial crime scene throughout.

  • How much freedom of speech is there in the Imperium, as much as in Harvard? What will happen to someone who advocates for AI?

  • @Almost Missouri
    @E. Harding

    So you'll be moving to Kampala? Or at least to Detroit?

    Replies: @E. Harding

    I know very well what Detroit is like. I’m assuming the one billion Africo-Americans will not resemble current lead-addled post-industrial slave descendants too closely. A risky bet, but not a ridiculous one.

  • Arguably, the marketplace of ideas is a fiction, and it only matters what the establishment thinks. So, more the partisan affiliations of professors and administrators, than the free speech environment.

  • mal says:

    Universe of Chicago way ahead of everyone else.

    Chicago is indeed its own universe. 🙂

    University of Chicago though is not far from the South Side, the gunfire on the weekends over there will make you want to move to Baghdad for some peace and quiet. Talk about your based and red pilled.

  • @E. Harding
    What would be wrong with one billion Africo-Americans? Most Americans surely appear fine with it, and such countries as Uganda, Rwanda, and Ghana (all with less coronavirus deaths than South Korea) appear to have done fine with tackling coronavirus, which no European countries of a similar population have. Even Zimbabwe and Malawi have been lightly hit, if you believe the official statistics. Afrotriumph is the corollary to Asiatriumph, and if 2020 has been anything, it has been the human development equivalent to the Russo-Japanese war. Civilizational regression my foot.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hyperborean, @Daniel Chieh

    So you’ll be moving to Kampala? Or at least to Detroit?

    •ï¿½Replies: @E. Harding
    @Almost Missouri

    I know very well what Detroit is like. I'm assuming the one billion Africo-Americans will not resemble current lead-addled post-industrial slave descendants too closely. A risky bet, but not a ridiculous one.
  • What would be wrong with one billion Africo-Americans? Most Americans surely appear fine with it, and such countries as Uganda, Rwanda, and Ghana (all with less coronavirus deaths than South Korea) appear to have done fine with tackling coronavirus, which no European countries of a similar population have. Even Zimbabwe and Malawi have been lightly hit, if you believe the official statistics. Afrotriumph is the corollary to Asiatriumph, and if 2020 has been anything, it has been the human development equivalent to the Russo-Japanese war. Civilizational regression my foot.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @E. Harding

    So you'll be moving to Kampala? Or at least to Detroit?

    Replies: @E. Harding
    , @Hyperborean
    @E. Harding


    Afrotriumph is the corollary to Asiatriumph, and if 2020 has been anything, it has been the human development equivalent to the Russo-Japanese war. Civilizational regression my foot.
    �

    Jinruikan Incident (Humankind Pavilion Incident) (人類館事件)

    Jinruikan Incident, also known as 'Gakujutsu-Jinruikan Incident' or Osaka Exhibition Incident,' occurred at 'Gakujutsu-Jinruikan' in the fifth National Industrial Exhibition held in 1903 at Tennoji, Osaka, at the exhibition, living people dressed in their ethnic costumes and their ethnic houses were exhibited, those people were from Okinawa, Korea, India, Malaysia, Java and Africa as well as the Ainu tribe and the Takasago tribe of Taiwan.

    [...]

    Osaka Exhibition

    In the Meiji period, products of culture and systems were introduced to Japan from Western in various ways and exhibition was one of them. As Japan had participated in international exhibitions since the end of the Edo period, it began to actively hold 'the National Industrial Exhibitions' as a means of fukoku kyohei (fortifying the country, strengthening the military) in the Meiji period. The initial purpose of the exhibitions was to serve as a place to introduce the products of culture and learn the techniques from the Western, and to work on them. The fifth Osaka Exhibition revealed its negative side of 'point of view of Imperialism'. This was because Japan started to gain self-pride as one of the world's powerful countries after winning the Sino-Japanese war.

    The 'human exhibition' was conducted in Gakujutsu-Jinruikan (Academic Humankind Pavilion) and Taiwan Pavilion at the Osaka Exhibition.
    In "Fuzoku Gaho" (Manners and Customs in Pictures) no. 269 published in 1903, Gakujutsu-Jinruikan Pavilion was described as follows:
    On the other hand, Taiwan Pavilion, which had a richly-colored romon (two-storied gates) and yokuro (side structures), featured 15 sections such as farming, horticulture, and manners and customs. This was set up to make public the actual condition of Taiwan, which had already been colonized by Japan for nine years. Taiwan Pavilion was constantly set up in the subsequent exhibitions, and became a model for additional 'Colony Pavilions,' including Sakhalin Pavilion, Manchuria Pavilion, Takushoku (Colonizing) Pavilion and Korea Pavilion in accordance with increase of colonies.
    Spread of backlash

    In Japan many people from southern and northern part visited the exhibition thanks to improved domestic transportation such as railways and ships, in addition, after the Sino-Japanese war more and more people in China and Korea wished to come Japan to study and those foreign students also visited the exhibition. They simply admired what was exhibited and had no choice but to recognize the achievements of the Meiji restoration. However their admiration was turned into a sense of opposition when they visited the Gakujutsu-Jinrui Pavilion and Taiwan Pavilion. This triggered the incident. Because people from the regions where introduced in those pavilions strongly opposed to the exhibition and this became a diplomatic issue.
    Okinawa Prefecture

    In Okinawa, the people opposed against the display of the prostitutes who were taken from Okinawa as 'Ryukyu Women'. For instance, "Ryukyu Shinpo" dated April 11, launched a fierce campaign against it, claiming it was like 'seeing us equal to the Seiban tribe (Taiwan's indigenous people who were incorporated into the Han people) or the Ainu tribe." In particular, Chofu OTA, a media figure from Okinawa, led the protest movement, raising a chorus of complaints throughout Okinawa Prefecture, which put an end to the display of the Okinawa people.

    At that time, the people in Okinawa were increasingly more conscious that those who lived in Okinawa, including Chofu OTA, were citizens of the Empire of Japan and are in the same ethnic group as the people on mainland Japan, so the protest was also meant to complain about being treated equally to the other ethnic groups.
    Qing

    Some fierce protests came from Qing in the same manner. First of all, the students staying in Japan and the Qing consulate officials in Kobe who found out in advance by advertisements that the people of the Han race were to be displayed at Gakujutsu-Jinrui Pavilion protested against it, and the Japanese government cancelled the exhibition in response. This was because it quickly became a diplomatic issue as the Imperial family and high officials had been invited from Qing before the opening of the Exhibition.

    A man taking opium and a woman with bound feet were to be displayed at Gakujutsu-Jinrui Pavilion.

    The second wave of protest came over the exhibition at Taiwan Pavilion. This was because the students from Qing suspected that the Taiwanese women on display were actually from Hunan, China. The matter was settled when they turned out to be from Taiwan in fact.
    Structure of Opposition: between 'Civilization' and 'Barbarism'

    It should be natural that opposition was generated in the regions whose people were 'on display'. Those protest movement was directed to Japan in Meiji period that tried to make those regions symbol of 'barbarian'and Japan symbol of'civilization'. It is not to be denied that Japan in Meiji period, which represented itself as being 'civilized', desired to assimilate into the powerful countries of Western Europe, and it has been pointed out that this attitude was discriminatory. However, those who opposed, such as in Okinawa and Qing, were not anti-discriminatory, as a matter of fact.

    For instance, Kaoru KINJO points out that while the display of the Okinawa people were successfully cancelled due to protest movement by residents in Okinawa, the exhibition of other ethnic groups continued to the last, and he insists "Even some of the people in Okinawa felt humiliated to have people from Okinawa displayed with other ethnic groups and they were also in a position to discriminate".

    Also, the students from Qing lamented, saying, "India and Okinawa have already been lost countries, being slaves of Britain and Japan. Korea used to be our vassal state, and now they are a protected state of Russia and Japan. The Javanese, the Ainu tribe and the Seiban tribe are all lowly races and no better than beasts.
    Even if we Chinese are despised, why should we be treated in the same way as them?" (Issue No.2, 1903 of "Sekko-cho" ï¼»monthly Chinese magazineï¼½)
    This suggests that the reason of their opposition was being treated equally to the other "barbarian" ethnic groups. This also reveals their desire to be equal to Japan and Western European countries by sharing a discriminatory view point of the same nature.

    These discourse of civilization vs. barbarianism as stated above involved not only Western Europe and Japan, but those regions discriminated by them. Both powerful and non powerful countries shared a mindset to accomplish fortifying their country by measuring the difference between being civilized and barbarian by comparison, and inciting a desire to minimize or expand the difference. It should have been very difficult to think and make statements from outside of the civilization vs. barbarianism logic when social evolutionism swept the world as the latest scientific theory. It can be said that this played the role of reproducing discrimination while moving toward the goals of fortifying the country. Jinruikan Incident showed a side of the discourse of civilization vs. barbarianism.
    �
    https://japanese-wiki-corpus.github.io/history/Jinruikan%20Incident%20(Humankind%20Pavilion%20Incident).html
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @E. Harding


    Even Zimbabwe and Malawi have been lightly hit, if you believe the official statistics.

    �
    The rewards of bad data.
  • At first I was surprised about LSU doing poorly; but the case against LSU looks pretty solid.

    https://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2020/10/09/lsu__best_in_football_one_of_the_worst_in_free_speech_110484.html

    So, the rankings look pretty reasonable so far.

  • @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Remarkable the difference between Univ. of VA (Charlottesville) and Univ. of SC and Clemson Univ.

    I'm skeptical of it all.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    I dunno.

    The people associated with the University of Virginia tend to have a great deal of pride about the school’s heritage.

    South Carolina has been desperate for corporate money for decades. They cuck for bucks.

    I think that the rankings look pretty reasonable.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Not Raul

    Upstate SC (i.e. Clemson) has not been desperate for corporate money for a long time. The metro Colombia area (USC) on the other hand probably has been desperate, as it is a niggra infested serial crime scene throughout.
  • @Bragadocious
    "conservative SJWs"

    That's a funny way of saying "Saturday people."

    Honestly, this report seems like an exercise in intellectual masturbation. You want to know the colleges that value free speech, do a google search of schools that have invited Ann Coulter or Charles Murray to speak and have not allowed leftists to assault them. That should answer all questions.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    When I saw “DePauw†at the end of the list, I thought of “DePaulâ€, which denied tenure to Norman Finkelstein after Dershowitz had him canceled.

  • I am under the impression that the Univ of Chicago student body is overrepresented by Jewish homosexuals! Is that correct? If so, surprising free speech result since this student cohort are quintessential SJWs. Only explanation would be that the UoC administrators are super cohonies endowed!

    •ï¿½Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Dan Hayes

    It is heavily Jewish, but my impression is that the Jews there have always been somewhat deracinated compared to coastal Jews. Perhaps because U of Chicago never had the WASP pedigree of Ivy League schools, there was no Jewish ethnic triumphalism in dominating it. Instead, Jewish overrepresentation was merely a consequence of Jewish cognitive outperformance. So perhaps its an actual case of that oft cited but seldom seen phenomenon: a meritocracy.

    Or maybe being further from traditional Jewish centers like Brooklyn and Beverly Hills, Jews in Chicago just drift more towards the American middle.

    If the Jews there are more homosexual than average for Jews, I can't say.

    As for why it is so far ahead of everyone else in freedom of speech ... there definitely is a cultural tradition in that direction. When "safe spaces" and cancel culture were first becoming a mania, the dean sent a letter to incoming freshmen saying, in effect, forget about safe spaces or canceling rhetorical opponents, you're coming here to think, not to evade.

    I think what underlies this tradition is that U of C prides itself on intellectual acumen much more than the traditional Ivy League-style "well rounded" gentlemen-scholar institutions do. At Chicago, intellectual truth is everything. Social class, athleticism, wealth, etc. count for naught. No self-respecting professor, or even student, wants to admit that his intellect cannot withstand someone else's argument. Cancelling an opponent is really just admitting you're too dumb to compete. No U of C-er wants that shame.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes
  • Remarkable the difference between Univ. of VA (Charlottesville) and Univ. of SC and Clemson Univ.

    I’m skeptical of it all.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Not Raul
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I dunno.

    The people associated with the University of Virginia tend to have a great deal of pride about the school’s heritage.

    South Carolina has been desperate for corporate money for decades. They cuck for bucks.

    I think that the rankings look pretty reasonable.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  • “conservative SJWs”

    That’s a funny way of saying “Saturday people.”

    Honestly, this report seems like an exercise in intellectual masturbation. You want to know the colleges that value free speech, do a google search of schools that have invited Ann Coulter or Charles Murray to speak and have not allowed leftists to assault them. That should answer all questions.

    •ï¿½Agree: AltanBakshi
    •ï¿½Replies: @Not Raul
    @Bragadocious

    When I saw “DePauw†at the end of the list, I thought of “DePaulâ€, which denied tenure to Norman Finkelstein after Dershowitz had him canceled.
  • Universe of Chicago way ahead of everyone else.

    One of my scientific connections works at the University of Chicago. Maybe this is why I have been unable to convince him how dire the situation is becoming.

    •ï¿½Agree: Kent Nationalist
  • Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  • Over the past ~5 years, there have been intermittent debates amongst the HBD crowd as to what will come first. Widespread HBD acceptance, due to the "free market of ideas" leading to a kind of "enlightened" radical centrist utopia in which liberal-left goodie-goodness is anchored in a benign paternalism borne of HBD realism (i.e. what...
  • America just needs to be destroyed. Nothing will get better until America as a political, cultural, and economic entity no longer exists.

  • I don’t see what the fuss is about, I believe in evolution.

    If every community of human beings in the world, adapted as they are to very diverse environments, turned out to have identical average aptitudes across the board, it would be truly astonishing.

  • Curle says:
    June 20, 2020 at 2:25 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Dmitry
    @utu

    There might exist group genetic differences, that could allow for differences in potential average academic ability between different nationalities. It's not something which is impossible or implausible, although importance of such kind of differences for world affairs should not be exaggerated.

    Of course, explanations from "IQ tests" are like infamous explanation of why opium can make you sleep- it has "dormitative properties".

    But 20th century anglosaxon idea of creating some universal, cross-cultural "intelligence quotient", and applying it to explain national differences, was not without historical reasons. The funny thing is how they built the tests using trivial parlour puzzles, which can have no relation to intelligence (although they might test for gullibility).

    Until the middle 20th century at the earliest, for European/American culture, there had been a short time when there was a kind of puzzled but inescapable racial superiority. This was natural result of the fact that conquering the world was so easy for Western Europeans (and settlers), and there was surprise among educated people of the time about how weak and feeble the world outside Europe and their settlers was.

    Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.

    The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble, when they encountered post-Enlightenment technological people, that most nationalities did not even try to resist. Nationalities like Zulus who resisted domination, are famous as an exception.

    Now retrospectively this is quite strange and non-repeatable historical period, when domination of the world was so easy for European capitalism. And it seems more like a very lost time because of that.

    Retrospectively, it is amusing, that intellectuals, didn't perceive that the lack of resistance, was mainly a result of human nature when confronted by more advanced technology.

    It seems people until Jung, were not even thinking about the psychological effects: the existence of post-Enlightenment European technology, destroyed not only the armies, but also the world view of pre-Enlightenment Chinese, Iranians, Hindus, Muslims, etc, and resulted in loss of faith in their leaders, and even their religions.

    Interestingly, now when the situation is reversed - and China is a rising power. Explanations from things like "IQ test" results will "surprisingly" adjust to match the changing geopolitical balance of power. i.e. - "dormitative properties"

    Replies: @EldnahYm, @Bert, @Curle

    Are you listening to yourself?

    “Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.â€

    People are finding underage prostitutes on the internet now. Is that proof of underdevelopment?

    “The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble . . . that most nationalities did not even try to resist.†1610 – 1870s. Two hundred and fifty years to conquer the North American tribes doesn’t merit a try?

  • @gate666
    @JohnPlywood

    sephardic jews are more intelligent than whites.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    You must be Ilana Mercer on an alt account.

    No, Sephardic Jews are not more intelligent than “whites.” Their IQs are in the low 90s range, or in samples that have Ashkenazic mixture, ~100.

    Only the Ashkenazim have a higher (verbal) IQ than whites.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @anonymous coward

    As usual, one may confidently take what AC says and assume the opposite is true.

    https://familyinequality.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/gssracismf2.jpg



    https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/WBOFYALFHQ3C7ENWH63DU3MFG4.jpg

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    Is autism a prerequisite for ‘HBD’?

    Look, of course people will deny that Blacks are dumb. The more they’re sure that Blacks are dumb, the more vehemently they will deny.

    The New Age/Gnostic religion of the modern man holds that reality can change if you wish for it, like, extra hard.

    So the most fervent beliefs are the most absurd. Did you not know this? How do you live in society, as if blundering through a haze?

  • @anonymous coward
    @Dieter Kief


    ...avoiding the insights of HBD...

    �
    What insights? "Negroes be dumb"? You really think there's a person on earth who doesn't already know this?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

    As usual, one may confidently take what AC says and assume the opposite is true.

    [MORE]

    •ï¿½Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Is autism a prerequisite for 'HBD'?

    Look, of course people will deny that Blacks are dumb. The more they're sure that Blacks are dumb, the more vehemently they will deny.

    The New Age/Gnostic religion of the modern man holds that reality can change if you wish for it, like, extra hard.

    So the most fervent beliefs are the most absurd. Did you not know this? How do you live in society, as if blundering through a haze?
  • @anonymous coward
    @Dieter Kief


    ...avoiding the insights of HBD...

    �
    What insights? "Negroes be dumb"? You really think there's a person on earth who doesn't already know this?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

    Vast numbers of people, probably even the majority, are completely unwilling to admit that blacks behave differently for genetic reasons, even to themselves.

  • The west is finished. Jews/blacks/Muslims/dumb females= obliteration of anything remotely good in America.

  • @anonymous coward
    @Dieter Kief


    ...avoiding the insights of HBD...

    �
    What insights? "Negroes be dumb"? You really think there's a person on earth who doesn't already know this?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin

    What insights? “Negroes be dumb� You really think there’s a person on earth who doesn’t already know this?

    s. comment No. 33 by A K.

  • @Dieter Kief
    @Kent Nationalist

    A) It is a battle, and it can still be won. The more interesting question for me is: How come there is a battle at all? - why not peace and quiet and scientific progress as usual?

    As for the slow progress: angela Saini and adam Rutherford are now the prominent leaders of IQ-denialism. But their position gets weaker. Whereas at the same time, Charles Murray's new book gets a review - even in the New Statesman and accepted at least as a player in this field. Robert Plomin's Blueprint got very good reviews in major German liberal papers (Die Zeit/ GEO Magazine - even in the rather technically oriented but quite popular magazine P.M. - .

    All the news that spread now worldwide about police statistics in the US might have the same corrosive effect.

    B) "What is behind that Curtain?" (Laurie Anderson, Big Science) - that's what I find myself thinking about more and more. - What is the liberal mainstream running away from, by avoiding the insights of HBD/ et. al. ? In simple terms: Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US? - And that possible solutions via the social state would be very (=extremely) costly?

    Replies: @utu, @anonymous coward

    …avoiding the insights of HBD…

    What insights? “Negroes be dumb”? You really think there’s a person on earth who doesn’t already know this?

    •ï¿½Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @anonymous coward


    What insights? “Negroes be dumb� You really think there’s a person on earth who doesn’t already know this?
    �
    s. comment No. 33 by A K.
    , @Kent Nationalist
    @anonymous coward

    Vast numbers of people, probably even the majority, are completely unwilling to admit that blacks behave differently for genetic reasons, even to themselves.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @anonymous coward

    As usual, one may confidently take what AC says and assume the opposite is true.

    https://familyinequality.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/gssracismf2.jpg



    https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/WBOFYALFHQ3C7ENWH63DU3MFG4.jpg

    Replies: @anonymous coward
  • @JohnPlywood
    @utu

    Only secular Ashkenazic Jews living in the USA have high IQs, and they will not exist by 2060 owing to their low female fertility and extreme misegenation rate with East Asian, Black and Hispanic females (who have completely different IQ profiles).

    The Orthodox Jews, Sephardic Jews and the Jews in the Levant have truly sub-human IQs of 92 and below. They never went through the selection process that central and eastern European Jews (now mostly living in the USA) went through, leading to the impressive verbal IQ increase. The Jewish IQ meme will be over by this century, as the half-Asian Jewish hybrids get absorbed by gentile white America, leaving behind only an utterly retarded race of inbred welfare recipients in Brooklyn and Israel to carry on the Jewish identity.

    Replies: @Bert, @gate666

    sephardic jews are more intelligent than whites.

    •ï¿½Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @gate666

    You must be Ilana Mercer on an alt account.


    No, Sephardic Jews are not more intelligent than "whites." Their IQs are in the low 90s range, or in samples that have Ashkenazic mixture, ~100.

    Only the Ashkenazim have a higher (verbal) IQ than whites.
  • I wonder if there’ll now be a flood of retractions on IQ research. Make the RationalWiki take that it’s all pseudoscience a post facto reality.

  • Svevlad says:

    As Yuri Bezmenov said, the demoralization is irreversible

    On the other hand, when people adopt idiocies, they get exterminated and sent directly to hell. Who will do the pest control, is another question. Probably the Eurasian Space Marines with help of experimental genetically-modified super-Africans (now featuring an average IQ of above 110!)

  • @Europe Europa
    It's interesting how the rioting in the US seems to be splitting into WASPs and blacks vs Hispanics/Italians/Catholics.

    The targeting of Conquistador statues and the anger over it from Hispanics/Catholics points to the real divide in American society. WASPs still see America as belonging to themselves as well as black protestants. Both strongly resent Hispanics and other Catholic elements of the US which I think is what the targeting of conquistador statues is about.

    Replies: @utu, @Kent Nationalist

    Where is the evidence that the protestors are WASPs rather than just a mishmash of deracinate whites/Jews? Or that Hispanics are on the other side?There are counterprotestors in non-Catholic areas, like Shnohomish in California.

  • utu says:
    June 17, 2020 at 7:22 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Europe Europa
    It's interesting how the rioting in the US seems to be splitting into WASPs and blacks vs Hispanics/Italians/Catholics.

    The targeting of Conquistador statues and the anger over it from Hispanics/Catholics points to the real divide in American society. WASPs still see America as belonging to themselves as well as black protestants. Both strongly resent Hispanics and other Catholic elements of the US which I think is what the targeting of conquistador statues is about.

    Replies: @utu, @Kent Nationalist

    “The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing”, E. Michael Jones

    “E. Michael Jones proves that urban renewal had more to do with ethnicity than with design or hygiene or blight. It was the last gasp attempt of the WASP ruling class to control a country slipping out of its grasp for demographic reasons. The largely Catholic ethnics were to be driven from their neighborhoods into the suburbs, where they were to be Americanized according to WASP principles. The neighborhoods were to be turned over to sharecroppers from the South or turned into futuristic Bauhaus enclaves for new government elites.”

  • It’s interesting how the rioting in the US seems to be splitting into WASPs and blacks vs Hispanics/Italians/Catholics.

    The targeting of Conquistador statues and the anger over it from Hispanics/Catholics points to the real divide in American society. WASPs still see America as belonging to themselves as well as black protestants. Both strongly resent Hispanics and other Catholic elements of the US which I think is what the targeting of conquistador statues is about.

    •ï¿½Replies: @utu
    @Europe Europa

    "The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing", E. Michael Jones
    https://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Cities-Renewal-Ethnic-Cleansing/dp/1587317753

    "E. Michael Jones proves that urban renewal had more to do with ethnicity than with design or hygiene or blight. It was the last gasp attempt of the WASP ruling class to control a country slipping out of its grasp for demographic reasons. The largely Catholic ethnics were to be driven from their neighborhoods into the suburbs, where they were to be Americanized according to WASP principles. The neighborhoods were to be turned over to sharecroppers from the South or turned into futuristic Bauhaus enclaves for new government elites."
    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Europe Europa

    Where is the evidence that the protestors are WASPs rather than just a mishmash of deracinate whites/Jews? Or that Hispanics are on the other side?There are counterprotestors in non-Catholic areas, like Shnohomish in California.
  • @utu
    @Europe Europa

    "What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white." - Bravo, you are beginning to think. The skin color is skin deep. What matters is culture. Culture is what people identity with not the skin color. Th French prefer their Algerians to Caucasian Chechens. The Brits prefer their Pakis, Indians and black Caribbeans to white East Europeans. Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage. The HBD is a fantasy that was invented to send you guys on the futile goose chase. The HBDism is also a social construct but an infantile one. There is nothing in it to latch on, to sink your teeth in. At best it may work among the primitives like the prison inmates. Do you really think that cultured and intelligent white person would prefer to have interactions with you rather than with equally cultured and intelligent black person?

    Replies: @Lowe, @Dmitry, @EldnahYm, @Lars Porsena

    Yeah that’s BS. You appear to be relying on turn of the 19th century ethno-religious opinions to make that claim about today.

    Revealed preference, who do US whites most integrate with? White is red dots, black is blue dots, hispanics are orange dots, asians are green dots.

    Chicago:
    Pittsburg:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/07/pittsburgh-23002.jpg&w=1484&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias&t=20170517

    Boston:
    New York:
    LA (this time whites are blue and blacks are green and asians are red):

  • @Europe Europa
    @Lowe


    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.
    �
    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    Simply having a Spanish sounding name automatically puts a person into the "non-white" category in the US, I recall this happening to Spaniard Antonio Banderas recently.

    Replies: @utu, @EldnahYm, @Dmitry, @Lars Porsena

    There is a lot of confusion here because of how US sociologists made up the term “Hispanic”. The way it is counted in official ethnic statistics is completely different to any other ethnicity. They are not considered white or black, but either or neither. The hispanic portion of any demographic data double counts all the Hispanics usually as white or something else (bi-racial, pacific islander or something). If you add the percentage of Hispanics to the percentage of everything else, you get over 100% because Hispanics exist as some kind of separate double-counted side category. They could be white hispanics, black hispanics, or some kind of nebulously defined neither hispanics.

    So the hispanic category is not really a ‘non-white’ category. Many people may be confused about this or have all sorts of ideas. But a lot of the people counted ‘hispanic’ get double counted as ‘white’ (or something else) at the same time. Since it’s a separate side category being hispanic doesn’t exclude being white or black or anything else for demographic purposes.

    There is all kinds of confusion and political and cultural shenanigans going on with the term ‘hispanic’ because it’s basically made up, and made up in a way that otherwise never even gets tracked – language of origin. You will never see them break out Germanic or Slavic or Francophonic in that way.

    In colloquial parlance, most Americans will use ‘Hispianic’ to mean mestizo Mexican. Maybe in some areas it’s more likely to mean Cuban (Miami) or Puerto Rican (NY?) but otherwise Mexican and/or Guatemalan. But there is all kinds of wiggle room for claiming various things because it’s a BS term made up to have a bunch of nebulous wiggle room in it.

    Mestizo Mexicans are obviously a mixture of white European and Mexican Indian. The Hispanic category makes semi-sense to a lot of Americans because a number of Mexicans aren’t mestizo but can be full blown indian. Mexican Indians are obviously not white, they’re indian (mongoloid not caucasoid). Also various mixtures of mestizo. But even for full blood Mexican indians, their non-spanish speaking grandkids, if they intermarry with whites and are 1/2 or 1/4 Mexican indian, will merge seamlessly into white communities and be white unless they want to be ‘hispanic’ for political purposes. Mestizo Mexicans are further along to being white as soon as they forget how to speak Spanish.

    To the extent there is an actual ethnic substance to the term ‘hispanic’ it is with regard to Mexican Indians. Like I was saying with the confusion, there is controversy and debate over whether Spaniards from Hispania actually qualify as hispanics. Opinions vary.

  • @EldnahYm
    @Europe Europa


    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.
    �
    The Hispanic category was created by the federal government in response to demands from certain Hispanics. Before that, many Hispanics were regarded as whites. But it depends upon who you're asking. At one time there were significant numbers of people in the U.S. who had pseudo-Nordicist views(I'm not sure the majority of people ever had these views however). Even today, political expediency often determines how a person is categorized. For the purpose of affirmative action, a person of 100% European background is going to want to be labeled Hispanic. If a Hispanic shoots a black, the media will label them as white if they can get away with it.

    Today, most Hispanics in the U.S. are brown people, so it makes sense to think of them as non-white or mixed. Even many alleged white looking Hispanics turn out to be mixed. Argentinians are mixed with Amerindians, though previously many thought they were pure descendants of Meds.

    But people are not totally unwilling to believe their eyes. A self-identifying Hispanic who looks like a Scandinavian is going to be regarded as white. But most people have never met such a person and think of Hispanics as brownish people. Black Hispanics are always thought of as black.

    In general, I would say white Americans are less aware of racial differences than they used to be. Mixed Hispanics with lighter tones but obviously non-European features are often considered white. I consider this tendency part of the general trend toward of cultural decadence.

    Replies: @Znzn

    How mixed are white Argentines and Chilean? Like 20 percent mixed? Or like someone 1/16 mixed, which would basically make them European anyway? White Brazilians are about 80+ percent European, almost 100 percent on the father’s side, and 2/3s on the mother’s side.

  • @Dmitry
    @utu

    There might exist group genetic differences, that could allow for differences in potential average academic ability between different nationalities. It's not something which is impossible or implausible, although importance of such kind of differences for world affairs should not be exaggerated.

    Of course, explanations from "IQ tests" are like infamous explanation of why opium can make you sleep- it has "dormitative properties".

    But 20th century anglosaxon idea of creating some universal, cross-cultural "intelligence quotient", and applying it to explain national differences, was not without historical reasons. The funny thing is how they built the tests using trivial parlour puzzles, which can have no relation to intelligence (although they might test for gullibility).

    Until the middle 20th century at the earliest, for European/American culture, there had been a short time when there was a kind of puzzled but inescapable racial superiority. This was natural result of the fact that conquering the world was so easy for Western Europeans (and settlers), and there was surprise among educated people of the time about how weak and feeble the world outside Europe and their settlers was.

    Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.

    The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble, when they encountered post-Enlightenment technological people, that most nationalities did not even try to resist. Nationalities like Zulus who resisted domination, are famous as an exception.

    Now retrospectively this is quite strange and non-repeatable historical period, when domination of the world was so easy for European capitalism. And it seems more like a very lost time because of that.

    Retrospectively, it is amusing, that intellectuals, didn't perceive that the lack of resistance, was mainly a result of human nature when confronted by more advanced technology.

    It seems people until Jung, were not even thinking about the psychological effects: the existence of post-Enlightenment European technology, destroyed not only the armies, but also the world view of pre-Enlightenment Chinese, Iranians, Hindus, Muslims, etc, and resulted in loss of faith in their leaders, and even their religions.

    Interestingly, now when the situation is reversed - and China is a rising power. Explanations from things like "IQ test" results will "surprisingly" adjust to match the changing geopolitical balance of power. i.e. - "dormitative properties"

    Replies: @EldnahYm, @Bert, @Curle

    You have obviously never been a professor teaching technically demanding subject matter to an ethnically diverse group of students.

  • Bert says:
    June 17, 2020 at 9:57 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @JohnPlywood
    @utu

    Only secular Ashkenazic Jews living in the USA have high IQs, and they will not exist by 2060 owing to their low female fertility and extreme misegenation rate with East Asian, Black and Hispanic females (who have completely different IQ profiles).

    The Orthodox Jews, Sephardic Jews and the Jews in the Levant have truly sub-human IQs of 92 and below. They never went through the selection process that central and eastern European Jews (now mostly living in the USA) went through, leading to the impressive verbal IQ increase. The Jewish IQ meme will be over by this century, as the half-Asian Jewish hybrids get absorbed by gentile white America, leaving behind only an utterly retarded race of inbred welfare recipients in Brooklyn and Israel to carry on the Jewish identity.

    Replies: @Bert, @gate666

    In your hybrid swarm scenario, I would suppose that the alleles responsible for xenophobic antipathy of Ashkenazi towards Caucasians, those selected in Eastern Europe during a millenium, would also become so diluted per genome that perhaps only a handful of pure Ashkenazi would be operating to destroy Western Civilization via SPLC and the like. Nick of time ending to this 150-year historical drama. Which will disappear first? Western Civ or pure Ashkenazis?

  • @Dmitry
    @utu

    There might exist group genetic differences, that could allow for differences in potential average academic ability between different nationalities. It's not something which is impossible or implausible, although importance of such kind of differences for world affairs should not be exaggerated.

    Of course, explanations from "IQ tests" are like infamous explanation of why opium can make you sleep- it has "dormitative properties".

    But 20th century anglosaxon idea of creating some universal, cross-cultural "intelligence quotient", and applying it to explain national differences, was not without historical reasons. The funny thing is how they built the tests using trivial parlour puzzles, which can have no relation to intelligence (although they might test for gullibility).

    Until the middle 20th century at the earliest, for European/American culture, there had been a short time when there was a kind of puzzled but inescapable racial superiority. This was natural result of the fact that conquering the world was so easy for Western Europeans (and settlers), and there was surprise among educated people of the time about how weak and feeble the world outside Europe and their settlers was.

    Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.

    The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble, when they encountered post-Enlightenment technological people, that most nationalities did not even try to resist. Nationalities like Zulus who resisted domination, are famous as an exception.

    Now retrospectively this is quite strange and non-repeatable historical period, when domination of the world was so easy for European capitalism. And it seems more like a very lost time because of that.

    Retrospectively, it is amusing, that intellectuals, didn't perceive that the lack of resistance, was mainly a result of human nature when confronted by more advanced technology.

    It seems people until Jung, were not even thinking about the psychological effects: the existence of post-Enlightenment European technology, destroyed not only the armies, but also the world view of pre-Enlightenment Chinese, Iranians, Hindus, Muslims, etc, and resulted in loss of faith in their leaders, and even their religions.

    Interestingly, now when the situation is reversed - and China is a rising power. Explanations from things like "IQ test" results will "surprisingly" adjust to match the changing geopolitical balance of power. i.e. - "dormitative properties"

    Replies: @EldnahYm, @Bert, @Curle

    Why read a book about psychometrics or evaluate empirical evidence when one can simply make up reasons why psychometrics can’t possibly be right.

  • EldnahYm says:
    June 17, 2020 at 3:20 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @utu
    @Europe Europa

    "What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white." - Bravo, you are beginning to think. The skin color is skin deep. What matters is culture. Culture is what people identity with not the skin color. Th French prefer their Algerians to Caucasian Chechens. The Brits prefer their Pakis, Indians and black Caribbeans to white East Europeans. Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage. The HBD is a fantasy that was invented to send you guys on the futile goose chase. The HBDism is also a social construct but an infantile one. There is nothing in it to latch on, to sink your teeth in. At best it may work among the primitives like the prison inmates. Do you really think that cultured and intelligent white person would prefer to have interactions with you rather than with equally cultured and intelligent black person?

    Replies: @Lowe, @Dmitry, @EldnahYm, @Lars Porsena

    Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage.

    Bullshit. Whites get along with Hispanics better than blacks. Sectarian religious identity is not a salient feature in the U.S. as Protestant-hating Catholics would mislead people. Most blacks attend black churches, leaving almost no cultural interaction with white protestants. The people who care most about sectarian identities are minority groups who want to tear down the majority groups. In a Christian context, that mostly means Catholic descendants of Ellis Islanders, in particular Irish Catholics.

    •ï¿½Agree: Matra
  • Dmitry says:
    June 17, 2020 at 3:19 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Europe Europa
    @Lowe


    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.
    �
    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    Simply having a Spanish sounding name automatically puts a person into the "non-white" category in the US, I recall this happening to Spaniard Antonio Banderas recently.

    Replies: @utu, @EldnahYm, @Dmitry, @Lars Porsena

    not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white

    There is on YouTube such a video of a American nationalist arguing with a Mexican liberal.

    At 3:45 – he says he wants the Mexico liberal, to leave, because he’s “not European”. (He doesn’t seem to notice the Mexican liberal looks probably more European than him.)

    Video Link

  • EldnahYm says:
    June 17, 2020 at 3:13 am GMT •ï¿½300 Words
    @Europe Europa
    @Lowe


    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.
    �
    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    Simply having a Spanish sounding name automatically puts a person into the "non-white" category in the US, I recall this happening to Spaniard Antonio Banderas recently.

    Replies: @utu, @EldnahYm, @Dmitry, @Lars Porsena

    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    The Hispanic category was created by the federal government in response to demands from certain Hispanics. Before that, many Hispanics were regarded as whites. But it depends upon who you’re asking. At one time there were significant numbers of people in the U.S. who had pseudo-Nordicist views(I’m not sure the majority of people ever had these views however). Even today, political expediency often determines how a person is categorized. For the purpose of affirmative action, a person of 100% European background is going to want to be labeled Hispanic. If a Hispanic shoots a black, the media will label them as white if they can get away with it.

    Today, most Hispanics in the U.S. are brown people, so it makes sense to think of them as non-white or mixed. Even many alleged white looking Hispanics turn out to be mixed. Argentinians are mixed with Amerindians, though previously many thought they were pure descendants of Meds.

    But people are not totally unwilling to believe their eyes. A self-identifying Hispanic who looks like a Scandinavian is going to be regarded as white. But most people have never met such a person and think of Hispanics as brownish people. Black Hispanics are always thought of as black.

    In general, I would say white Americans are less aware of racial differences than they used to be. Mixed Hispanics with lighter tones but obviously non-European features are often considered white. I consider this tendency part of the general trend toward of cultural decadence.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Znzn
    @EldnahYm

    How mixed are white Argentines and Chilean? Like 20 percent mixed? Or like someone 1/16 mixed, which would basically make them European anyway? White Brazilians are about 80+ percent European, almost 100 percent on the father's side, and 2/3s on the mother's side.
  • Dmitry says:
    June 17, 2020 at 2:46 am GMT •ï¿½400 Words
    @utu
    @Europe Europa

    "What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white." - Bravo, you are beginning to think. The skin color is skin deep. What matters is culture. Culture is what people identity with not the skin color. Th French prefer their Algerians to Caucasian Chechens. The Brits prefer their Pakis, Indians and black Caribbeans to white East Europeans. Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage. The HBD is a fantasy that was invented to send you guys on the futile goose chase. The HBDism is also a social construct but an infantile one. There is nothing in it to latch on, to sink your teeth in. At best it may work among the primitives like the prison inmates. Do you really think that cultured and intelligent white person would prefer to have interactions with you rather than with equally cultured and intelligent black person?

    Replies: @Lowe, @Dmitry, @EldnahYm, @Lars Porsena

    There might exist group genetic differences, that could allow for differences in potential average academic ability between different nationalities. It’s not something which is impossible or implausible, although importance of such kind of differences for world affairs should not be exaggerated.

    Of course, explanations from “IQ tests” are like infamous explanation of why opium can make you sleep- it has “dormitative properties”.

    But 20th century anglosaxon idea of creating some universal, cross-cultural “intelligence quotient”, and applying it to explain national differences, was not without historical reasons. The funny thing is how they built the tests using trivial parlour puzzles, which can have no relation to intelligence (although they might test for gullibility).

    Until the middle 20th century at the earliest, for European/American culture, there had been a short time when there was a kind of puzzled but inescapable racial superiority. This was natural result of the fact that conquering the world was so easy for Western Europeans (and settlers), and there was surprise among educated people of the time about how weak and feeble the world outside Europe and their settlers was.

    Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.

    The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble, when they encountered post-Enlightenment technological people, that most nationalities did not even try to resist. Nationalities like Zulus who resisted domination, are famous as an exception.

    Now retrospectively this is quite strange and non-repeatable historical period, when domination of the world was so easy for European capitalism. And it seems more like a very lost time because of that.

    Retrospectively, it is amusing, that intellectuals, didn’t perceive that the lack of resistance, was mainly a result of human nature when confronted by more advanced technology.

    It seems people until Jung, were not even thinking about the psychological effects: the existence of post-Enlightenment European technology, destroyed not only the armies, but also the world view of pre-Enlightenment Chinese, Iranians, Hindus, Muslims, etc, and resulted in loss of faith in their leaders, and even their religions.

    Interestingly, now when the situation is reversed – and China is a rising power. Explanations from things like “IQ test” results will “surprisingly” adjust to match the changing geopolitical balance of power. i.e. – “dormitative properties”

    •ï¿½Agree: utu, AaronB
    •ï¿½Replies: @EldnahYm
    @Dmitry

    Why read a book about psychometrics or evaluate empirical evidence when one can simply make up reasons why psychometrics can't possibly be right.
    , @Bert
    @Dmitry

    You have obviously never been a professor teaching technically demanding subject matter to an ethnically diverse group of students.
    , @Curle
    @Dmitry

    Are you listening to yourself?

    “Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.â€

    People are finding underage prostitutes on the internet now. Is that proof of underdevelopment?

    “The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble . . . that most nationalities did not even try to resist.†1610 - 1870s. Two hundred and fifty years to conquer the North American tribes doesn’t merit a try?
  • @utu
    @Europe Europa

    "What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white." - Bravo, you are beginning to think. The skin color is skin deep. What matters is culture. Culture is what people identity with not the skin color. Th French prefer their Algerians to Caucasian Chechens. The Brits prefer their Pakis, Indians and black Caribbeans to white East Europeans. Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage. The HBD is a fantasy that was invented to send you guys on the futile goose chase. The HBDism is also a social construct but an infantile one. There is nothing in it to latch on, to sink your teeth in. At best it may work among the primitives like the prison inmates. Do you really think that cultured and intelligent white person would prefer to have interactions with you rather than with equally cultured and intelligent black person?

    Replies: @Lowe, @Dmitry, @EldnahYm, @Lars Porsena

    If you only hung out with very smart members of each race, then you might think HBD is a fantasy. But you’d be badly wrong.

  • utu says:
    @Europe Europa
    @Lowe


    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.
    �
    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    Simply having a Spanish sounding name automatically puts a person into the "non-white" category in the US, I recall this happening to Spaniard Antonio Banderas recently.

    Replies: @utu, @EldnahYm, @Dmitry, @Lars Porsena

    “What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.” – Bravo, you are beginning to think. The skin color is skin deep. What matters is culture. Culture is what people identity with not the skin color. Th French prefer their Algerians to Caucasian Chechens. The Brits prefer their Pakis, Indians and black Caribbeans to white East Europeans. Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage. The HBD is a fantasy that was invented to send you guys on the futile goose chase. The HBDism is also a social construct but an infantile one. There is nothing in it to latch on, to sink your teeth in. At best it may work among the primitives like the prison inmates. Do you really think that cultured and intelligent white person would prefer to have interactions with you rather than with equally cultured and intelligent black person?

    •ï¿½Troll: Bert
    •ï¿½Replies: @Lowe
    @utu

    If you only hung out with very smart members of each race, then you might think HBD is a fantasy. But you'd be badly wrong.
    , @Dmitry
    @utu

    There might exist group genetic differences, that could allow for differences in potential average academic ability between different nationalities. It's not something which is impossible or implausible, although importance of such kind of differences for world affairs should not be exaggerated.

    Of course, explanations from "IQ tests" are like infamous explanation of why opium can make you sleep- it has "dormitative properties".

    But 20th century anglosaxon idea of creating some universal, cross-cultural "intelligence quotient", and applying it to explain national differences, was not without historical reasons. The funny thing is how they built the tests using trivial parlour puzzles, which can have no relation to intelligence (although they might test for gullibility).

    Until the middle 20th century at the earliest, for European/American culture, there had been a short time when there was a kind of puzzled but inescapable racial superiority. This was natural result of the fact that conquering the world was so easy for Western Europeans (and settlers), and there was surprise among educated people of the time about how weak and feeble the world outside Europe and their settlers was.

    Such a small, internally still undeveloped country like the UK (Dostoevsky in his diary writes about how 1860s London, is full of begging child prostitutes) – could conquer 1/4 of the world by the early 20th century.

    The world outside Europe, was so weak and feeble, when they encountered post-Enlightenment technological people, that most nationalities did not even try to resist. Nationalities like Zulus who resisted domination, are famous as an exception.

    Now retrospectively this is quite strange and non-repeatable historical period, when domination of the world was so easy for European capitalism. And it seems more like a very lost time because of that.

    Retrospectively, it is amusing, that intellectuals, didn't perceive that the lack of resistance, was mainly a result of human nature when confronted by more advanced technology.

    It seems people until Jung, were not even thinking about the psychological effects: the existence of post-Enlightenment European technology, destroyed not only the armies, but also the world view of pre-Enlightenment Chinese, Iranians, Hindus, Muslims, etc, and resulted in loss of faith in their leaders, and even their religions.

    Interestingly, now when the situation is reversed - and China is a rising power. Explanations from things like "IQ test" results will "surprisingly" adjust to match the changing geopolitical balance of power. i.e. - "dormitative properties"

    Replies: @EldnahYm, @Bert, @Curle
    , @EldnahYm
    @utu


    Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage.
    �
    Bullshit. Whites get along with Hispanics better than blacks. Sectarian religious identity is not a salient feature in the U.S. as Protestant-hating Catholics would mislead people. Most blacks attend black churches, leaving almost no cultural interaction with white protestants. The people who care most about sectarian identities are minority groups who want to tear down the majority groups. In a Christian context, that mostly means Catholic descendants of Ellis Islanders, in particular Irish Catholics.
    , @Lars Porsena
    @utu

    Yeah that's BS. You appear to be relying on turn of the 19th century ethno-religious opinions to make that claim about today.

    Revealed preference, who do US whites most integrate with? White is red dots, black is blue dots, hispanics are orange dots, asians are green dots.

    Chicago:
    https://theaxisofego.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/chicagoethnicity.png

    Pittsburg:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/07/pittsburgh-23002.jpg&w=1484&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias&t=20170517

    Boston:
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5295/5559894531_cc2fa97a94_b.jpg

    New York:
    http://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/ux/files/2014/10/5559914315_f731bf97c2_b.jpg

    LA (this time whites are blue and blacks are green and asians are red):
    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1319789/images/o-RACIAL-DOT-MAP-facebook.jpg
  • @Lowe
    @Some Guy

    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.

    Most people cannot hold anti-social thoughts in their heads for any length of time. Even those smart enough invariably lack the emotional ability, whatever that is. They will believe what they are told, because that is best for personal survival.

    Of the two outcomes Karlin gives, only the second is possible. There is not going to be rule by HBD-aware paternalism, because our elites do not have that kind of wisdom. There is too much adverse selection of elites, for that to be the case.

    The two actual possibilities are (2) Lysenkoist propaganda and continued decline, for many decades, or (3) a breakdown in federal power leading to some crisis... which MIGHT lead to more HBD-aware government, but might not.

    Our leaders aren't going to get magically smarter and somehow avoid either of those negative outcomes. Everyone is getting progressively dumber, not smarter, and that includes our dear leaders.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.

    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    Simply having a Spanish sounding name automatically puts a person into the “non-white” category in the US, I recall this happening to Spaniard Antonio Banderas recently.

    •ï¿½Replies: @utu
    @Europe Europa

    "What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white." - Bravo, you are beginning to think. The skin color is skin deep. What matters is culture. Culture is what people identity with not the skin color. Th French prefer their Algerians to Caucasian Chechens. The Brits prefer their Pakis, Indians and black Caribbeans to white East Europeans. Americans prefer their Blacks to Spanish speaking Spaniards to large extent because they are of Catholic heritage. The HBD is a fantasy that was invented to send you guys on the futile goose chase. The HBDism is also a social construct but an infantile one. There is nothing in it to latch on, to sink your teeth in. At best it may work among the primitives like the prison inmates. Do you really think that cultured and intelligent white person would prefer to have interactions with you rather than with equally cultured and intelligent black person?

    Replies: @Lowe, @Dmitry, @EldnahYm, @Lars Porsena
    , @EldnahYm
    @Europe Europa


    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.
    �
    The Hispanic category was created by the federal government in response to demands from certain Hispanics. Before that, many Hispanics were regarded as whites. But it depends upon who you're asking. At one time there were significant numbers of people in the U.S. who had pseudo-Nordicist views(I'm not sure the majority of people ever had these views however). Even today, political expediency often determines how a person is categorized. For the purpose of affirmative action, a person of 100% European background is going to want to be labeled Hispanic. If a Hispanic shoots a black, the media will label them as white if they can get away with it.

    Today, most Hispanics in the U.S. are brown people, so it makes sense to think of them as non-white or mixed. Even many alleged white looking Hispanics turn out to be mixed. Argentinians are mixed with Amerindians, though previously many thought they were pure descendants of Meds.

    But people are not totally unwilling to believe their eyes. A self-identifying Hispanic who looks like a Scandinavian is going to be regarded as white. But most people have never met such a person and think of Hispanics as brownish people. Black Hispanics are always thought of as black.

    In general, I would say white Americans are less aware of racial differences than they used to be. Mixed Hispanics with lighter tones but obviously non-European features are often considered white. I consider this tendency part of the general trend toward of cultural decadence.

    Replies: @Znzn
    , @Dmitry
    @Europe Europa


    not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white
    �
    There is on YouTube such a video of a American nationalist arguing with a Mexican liberal.

    At 3:45 - he says he wants the Mexico liberal, to leave, because he's "not European". (He doesn't seem to notice the Mexican liberal looks probably more European than him.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miINTEHNMPs
    , @Lars Porsena
    @Europe Europa

    There is a lot of confusion here because of how US sociologists made up the term "Hispanic". The way it is counted in official ethnic statistics is completely different to any other ethnicity. They are not considered white or black, but either or neither. The hispanic portion of any demographic data double counts all the Hispanics usually as white or something else (bi-racial, pacific islander or something). If you add the percentage of Hispanics to the percentage of everything else, you get over 100% because Hispanics exist as some kind of separate double-counted side category. They could be white hispanics, black hispanics, or some kind of nebulously defined neither hispanics.

    So the hispanic category is not really a 'non-white' category. Many people may be confused about this or have all sorts of ideas. But a lot of the people counted 'hispanic' get double counted as 'white' (or something else) at the same time. Since it's a separate side category being hispanic doesn't exclude being white or black or anything else for demographic purposes.

    There is all kinds of confusion and political and cultural shenanigans going on with the term 'hispanic' because it's basically made up, and made up in a way that otherwise never even gets tracked - language of origin. You will never see them break out Germanic or Slavic or Francophonic in that way.

    In colloquial parlance, most Americans will use 'Hispianic' to mean mestizo Mexican. Maybe in some areas it's more likely to mean Cuban (Miami) or Puerto Rican (NY?) but otherwise Mexican and/or Guatemalan. But there is all kinds of wiggle room for claiming various things because it's a BS term made up to have a bunch of nebulous wiggle room in it.

    Mestizo Mexicans are obviously a mixture of white European and Mexican Indian. The Hispanic category makes semi-sense to a lot of Americans because a number of Mexicans aren't mestizo but can be full blown indian. Mexican Indians are obviously not white, they're indian (mongoloid not caucasoid). Also various mixtures of mestizo. But even for full blood Mexican indians, their non-spanish speaking grandkids, if they intermarry with whites and are 1/2 or 1/4 Mexican indian, will merge seamlessly into white communities and be white unless they want to be 'hispanic' for political purposes. Mestizo Mexicans are further along to being white as soon as they forget how to speak Spanish.

    To the extent there is an actual ethnic substance to the term 'hispanic' it is with regard to Mexican Indians. Like I was saying with the confusion, there is controversy and debate over whether Spaniards from Hispania actually qualify as hispanics. Opinions vary.
  • Lowe says:
    June 16, 2020 at 8:27 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Some Guy
    I'm sure the left will keep trying to suppress this kind of stuff like they already do, but do they really have a chance of doing anything except delaying the inevitable? If the genetic IQ hierarchy becomes widely accepted in say Eastern Europe, how are they going to claim that hierarchy with Jews and East Asians at the top is just white racism? Or are they somehow going to be able to completely control the inflow of all information to the west?

    Replies: @Lowe

    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.

    Most people cannot hold anti-social thoughts in their heads for any length of time. Even those smart enough invariably lack the emotional ability, whatever that is. They will believe what they are told, because that is best for personal survival.

    Of the two outcomes Karlin gives, only the second is possible. There is not going to be rule by HBD-aware paternalism, because our elites do not have that kind of wisdom. There is too much adverse selection of elites, for that to be the case.

    The two actual possibilities are (2) Lysenkoist propaganda and continued decline, for many decades, or (3) a breakdown in federal power leading to some crisis… which MIGHT lead to more HBD-aware government, but might not.

    Our leaders aren’t going to get magically smarter and somehow avoid either of those negative outcomes. Everyone is getting progressively dumber, not smarter, and that includes our dear leaders.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Lowe


    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.
    �
    What I find strange is how most white Americans regard Jews as white, yet would mostly not regard a Hispanic even of entirely European descent as white.

    Simply having a Spanish sounding name automatically puts a person into the "non-white" category in the US, I recall this happening to Spaniard Antonio Banderas recently.

    Replies: @utu, @EldnahYm, @Dmitry, @Lars Porsena
  • Some Guy says:
    June 16, 2020 at 6:46 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words

    I’m sure the left will keep trying to suppress this kind of stuff like they already do, but do they really have a chance of doing anything except delaying the inevitable? If the genetic IQ hierarchy becomes widely accepted in say Eastern Europe, how are they going to claim that hierarchy with Jews and East Asians at the top is just white racism? Or are they somehow going to be able to completely control the inflow of all information to the west?

    •ï¿½Replies: @Lowe
    @Some Guy

    Jews already dominate in the United States, and almost nobody realizes it. Most conservatives do not even realize it.

    Most people cannot hold anti-social thoughts in their heads for any length of time. Even those smart enough invariably lack the emotional ability, whatever that is. They will believe what they are told, because that is best for personal survival.

    Of the two outcomes Karlin gives, only the second is possible. There is not going to be rule by HBD-aware paternalism, because our elites do not have that kind of wisdom. There is too much adverse selection of elites, for that to be the case.

    The two actual possibilities are (2) Lysenkoist propaganda and continued decline, for many decades, or (3) a breakdown in federal power leading to some crisis... which MIGHT lead to more HBD-aware government, but might not.

    Our leaders aren't going to get magically smarter and somehow avoid either of those negative outcomes. Everyone is getting progressively dumber, not smarter, and that includes our dear leaders.

    Replies: @Europe Europa
  • @utu
    @Dieter Kief

    "Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US?"- Even Nazis knew that IQism is toxic because it will lead to the cannibalistic dead end. There are 40 millions of whites in the US who are IQ equivalent to the 40 millions of blacks. The 40 million black question is 40 million white question. If you refuse to deal with the question on the basis of 'objective' IQ and HBD scales that would force you to deal with the 40 million of white then you are back to old well tried racism based on the skin color. Be honest and stop wrapping your racism in the veil of pseudo-sciences of HBDism and IQism. Only Jews may benefit from the IQism. If you want to create a society with Jews as designated Brahmins then go ahead and follow the pied pipers like Murrays, Derbyshires, Sailers...and hope that you are not one of the 40 million whites who will be sent to Auschwitz.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Only secular Ashkenazic Jews living in the USA have high IQs, and they will not exist by 2060 owing to their low female fertility and extreme misegenation rate with East Asian, Black and Hispanic females (who have completely different IQ profiles).

    The Orthodox Jews, Sephardic Jews and the Jews in the Levant have truly sub-human IQs of 92 and below. They never went through the selection process that central and eastern European Jews (now mostly living in the USA) went through, leading to the impressive verbal IQ increase. The Jewish IQ meme will be over by this century, as the half-Asian Jewish hybrids get absorbed by gentile white America, leaving behind only an utterly retarded race of inbred welfare recipients in Brooklyn and Israel to carry on the Jewish identity.

    •ï¿½Thanks: Slimer
    •ï¿½Replies: @Bert
    @JohnPlywood

    In your hybrid swarm scenario, I would suppose that the alleles responsible for xenophobic antipathy of Ashkenazi towards Caucasians, those selected in Eastern Europe during a millenium, would also become so diluted per genome that perhaps only a handful of pure Ashkenazi would be operating to destroy Western Civilization via SPLC and the like. Nick of time ending to this 150-year historical drama. Which will disappear first? Western Civ or pure Ashkenazis?
    , @gate666
    @JohnPlywood

    sephardic jews are more intelligent than whites.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood
  • AaronB says:
    June 16, 2020 at 6:12 pm GMT •ï¿½300 Words

    Its strange – I must be one of the very few people who simply sees no one to root for in today’s world.

    HBD and IQ are obviously false, and China’s success comes from believing in hard work and not genetic destiny. China is a power on the rise, and only declining powers invent deterministic philosophies like HBD, so I don’t see it gaining traction in China until China also starts to decline. Which will happen sooner than we think, as China has already peaked.

    On the other hand, the Western orthodoxy is also obviously false and extremist and destructive.

    There really are no good options in today’s world. I envy the simple minded people who look to China with hope – I wish I could be so blissfully stupid.

    I look around me and really see no one and nothing to root for. Ron Unz and his commenters would set up a tyranny ten times worse than the current orthodox censorship if only they could, but then the current orthodox censorship is pretty terrible.

    The current cultural system is useful, but then the alternative, like the Unz crowd, would be horrifically worse. They are just the reverse image, not something transcending it.

    There simply is no one at the moment to root for.

    All alternatives today are defined by a very narrow set of ideas that no one seems able to break out of to anything fresh.

    I suppose the only real hope is that the West is declining and breaking up – something new may emerge from that, maybe a Buddhis/Taoist type civilization as China becomes a technology monster.

    Who knows. On the other hand, politics is meaningless, and the point is to see through the world not change, so I think I’ll have another glass of wine. The weather has been delicious lately in NYC.

    •ï¿½Disagree: Lowe
    •ï¿½LOL: Korenchkin, Bert
    •ï¿½Troll: Anonymous (n)
  • China knows the truth about race and IQ. That’s why they’re openly okay with eugenics and how it can improve the human race.

  • @songbird
    The idea that GWAS will send the Cathedral packing seems to me very naive - I can't possibly see how DNA studies will change the incentive structure of globohomo.

    The case for racial differences was already pretty compelling 50 years ago.

    Replies: @J

    It makes no difference. Thousands deny the most obvious things, like the reality of disease (there is even a religion based on that “science’). Human believe what they want to believe.

  • Once intelligence genes are mapped out in the next ~5 years (…)

    The vaguer the definition of a phenomenon, the more numerous measures can be drawn up for it.

    The more measures are there, the easier it is to find spurious correlations.

    This means the genes for ’empathy’ and ’emotional intelligence’ are likely to be ‘mapped out’ first. Sort of below the radar but it’s already happening.

    Where it goes from there, I don’t know; but hijack scenario can’t be ruled out. Also, this just happened for the first time:

    (It’s U.S.; worldwide, intelligence still beats empathy by a large margin)

  • utu says:
    June 16, 2020 at 4:23 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Dieter Kief
    @Kent Nationalist

    A) It is a battle, and it can still be won. The more interesting question for me is: How come there is a battle at all? - why not peace and quiet and scientific progress as usual?

    As for the slow progress: angela Saini and adam Rutherford are now the prominent leaders of IQ-denialism. But their position gets weaker. Whereas at the same time, Charles Murray's new book gets a review - even in the New Statesman and accepted at least as a player in this field. Robert Plomin's Blueprint got very good reviews in major German liberal papers (Die Zeit/ GEO Magazine - even in the rather technically oriented but quite popular magazine P.M. - .

    All the news that spread now worldwide about police statistics in the US might have the same corrosive effect.

    B) "What is behind that Curtain?" (Laurie Anderson, Big Science) - that's what I find myself thinking about more and more. - What is the liberal mainstream running away from, by avoiding the insights of HBD/ et. al. ? In simple terms: Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US? - And that possible solutions via the social state would be very (=extremely) costly?

    Replies: @utu, @anonymous coward

    “Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US?”– Even Nazis knew that IQism is toxic because it will lead to the cannibalistic dead end. There are 40 millions of whites in the US who are IQ equivalent to the 40 millions of blacks. The 40 million black question is 40 million white question. If you refuse to deal with the question on the basis of ‘objective’ IQ and HBD scales that would force you to deal with the 40 million of white then you are back to old well tried racism based on the skin color. Be honest and stop wrapping your racism in the veil of pseudo-sciences of HBDism and IQism. Only Jews may benefit from the IQism. If you want to create a society with Jews as designated Brahmins then go ahead and follow the pied pipers like Murrays, Derbyshires, Sailers…and hope that you are not one of the 40 million whites who will be sent to Auschwitz.

    •ï¿½Troll: Kent Nationalist
    •ï¿½Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @utu

    Only secular Ashkenazic Jews living in the USA have high IQs, and they will not exist by 2060 owing to their low female fertility and extreme misegenation rate with East Asian, Black and Hispanic females (who have completely different IQ profiles).

    The Orthodox Jews, Sephardic Jews and the Jews in the Levant have truly sub-human IQs of 92 and below. They never went through the selection process that central and eastern European Jews (now mostly living in the USA) went through, leading to the impressive verbal IQ increase. The Jewish IQ meme will be over by this century, as the half-Asian Jewish hybrids get absorbed by gentile white America, leaving behind only an utterly retarded race of inbred welfare recipients in Brooklyn and Israel to carry on the Jewish identity.

    Replies: @Bert, @gate666
  • The idea that GWAS will send the Cathedral packing seems to me very naive – I can’t possibly see how DNA studies will change the incentive structure of globohomo.

    The case for racial differences was already pretty compelling 50 years ago.

    •ï¿½Replies: @J
    @songbird

    It makes no difference. Thousands deny the most obvious things, like the reality of disease (there is even a religion based on that "science'). Human believe what they want to believe.
  • @Kent Nationalist
    Is there a possibility that the IQ denialists will gradually make concessions to HBD while keeping the parts that matter most to them intact, in the same way that has happened with mainstream Holocaust historians and revisionists?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    A) It is a battle, and it can still be won. The more interesting question for me is: How come there is a battle at all? – why not peace and quiet and scientific progress as usual?

    As for the slow progress: angela Saini and adam Rutherford are now the prominent leaders of IQ-denialism. But their position gets weaker. Whereas at the same time, Charles Murray’s new book gets a review – even in the New Statesman and accepted at least as a player in this field. Robert Plomin’s Blueprint got very good reviews in major German liberal papers (Die Zeit/ GEO Magazine – even in the rather technically oriented but quite popular magazine P.M. – .

    All the news that spread now worldwide about police statistics in the US might have the same corrosive effect.

    B) “What is behind that Curtain?” (Laurie Anderson, Big Science) – that’s what I find myself thinking about more and more. – What is the liberal mainstream running away from, by avoiding the insights of HBD/ et. al. ? In simple terms: Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US? – And that possible solutions via the social state would be very (=extremely) costly?

    •ï¿½Replies: @utu
    @Dieter Kief

    "Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US?"- Even Nazis knew that IQism is toxic because it will lead to the cannibalistic dead end. There are 40 millions of whites in the US who are IQ equivalent to the 40 millions of blacks. The 40 million black question is 40 million white question. If you refuse to deal with the question on the basis of 'objective' IQ and HBD scales that would force you to deal with the 40 million of white then you are back to old well tried racism based on the skin color. Be honest and stop wrapping your racism in the veil of pseudo-sciences of HBDism and IQism. Only Jews may benefit from the IQism. If you want to create a society with Jews as designated Brahmins then go ahead and follow the pied pipers like Murrays, Derbyshires, Sailers...and hope that you are not one of the 40 million whites who will be sent to Auschwitz.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood
    , @anonymous coward
    @Dieter Kief


    ...avoiding the insights of HBD...

    �
    What insights? "Negroes be dumb"? You really think there's a person on earth who doesn't already know this?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Kent Nationalist, @Anatoly Karlin
  • A Lysenko type person would be the best case scenario, a real world planet of the apes is the more likely outcome.

  • “the one saving grace of these inexplicable bouts of insanity that afflict various major civilizations across history (1917, Cultural Revolution, etc.) tend to inoculate against future ones.”

    We just need to reach herd immunity…

    (UnHerd immunity?)

  • These HBD-do-gooders are simply insufferable.

    The Atlantic, Quillette, faux-dissidents, “INTELLECTUAL DARK WEB”: Fade into irrelevancy.

    EvolutionistX, hbdchick, JayMan, Cochran: These will be eaten alive.

    RaceRealist: I don’t know what will happen to this guy, probably will lead the Lysenkoists.

    Davidski: The only sane guy.

  • Is there a possibility that the IQ denialists will gradually make concessions to HBD while keeping the parts that matter most to them intact, in the same way that has happened with mainstream Holocaust historians and revisionists?

    •ï¿½Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Kent Nationalist

    A) It is a battle, and it can still be won. The more interesting question for me is: How come there is a battle at all? - why not peace and quiet and scientific progress as usual?

    As for the slow progress: angela Saini and adam Rutherford are now the prominent leaders of IQ-denialism. But their position gets weaker. Whereas at the same time, Charles Murray's new book gets a review - even in the New Statesman and accepted at least as a player in this field. Robert Plomin's Blueprint got very good reviews in major German liberal papers (Die Zeit/ GEO Magazine - even in the rather technically oriented but quite popular magazine P.M. - .

    All the news that spread now worldwide about police statistics in the US might have the same corrosive effect.

    B) "What is behind that Curtain?" (Laurie Anderson, Big Science) - that's what I find myself thinking about more and more. - What is the liberal mainstream running away from, by avoiding the insights of HBD/ et. al. ? In simple terms: Are the IQ-deniers running away from the simple truth, that there is no simple solution for the Balck question in the US? - And that possible solutions via the social state would be very (=extremely) costly?

    Replies: @utu, @anonymous coward
  • Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  • Three Identical Strangers is a 2018 documentary directed by Tim Wardle. It premiered at the 2018 Sundance Film Festival, where it won the U.S. Documentary Special Jury Award for Storytelling. You can now watch it online at Amazon.com. The documentary tells the story of Edward Galland, David Kellman, and Robert Shafran, identical triplets who were...
  • See, earlier, from 2007: Charles Murray's "Jewish Genius", by Steve Sailer The Left’s attitude to IQ epitomizes its irrational, contradictory, self-serving, anti-science world view. At one moment, IQ tests are biased against blacks, IQ tests don’t measure anything meaningful, and there are different and equally important kinds of “intelligence.†But when a 4-year-old black girl...
  • **New Study by Drs Tickstein and Suckerberg find ticks to be smarter than dogs!!

    So…?

  • The clueless antisemitic twits one find at these pages are offended by Jewish intellectual superiority, levels not a single one of them could possibly aspire to. They hiss, bark, and screech at the unfairness of it all. Sorry, I didn’t finish earlier above and could not edit. Hitler started the job and failed to finish it. This fact so upsets the Jewhaters that many can’t get a drop of sleep at night. Hitler started the job because he was offended by Jewish intellectual superiority.

    I meant to say that just like Leftwingism and Islamism, Judeophobia is based in the envy and resentment of these very smart and capable people who are clearly not a race. These same people rise at every attempt at Jewish self-defense; the same who go out into the streets whenever Israel pushes back. They are never offes
    It reminds one of sad-sack post-Merkel Europe where I live part of the year. The same Europe that has successfully exchanged 6 million industrious, peaceful, innovative, kind, charitable and downright brilliant Jews, for 40 million, indolent, insolent,immobile, uncurious, lazy, vile, hateful, dependent, demanding, and characteristics not yet fit to print, Muslims.

    Among those Hitler failed to stop would have stopped Hitler if Russian Jews didn’t get to him first.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/26/the-atomic-bomb-considered-as-hungarian-high-school-science-fair-project/

  • I refer the dumbassed antisemites responding to this article, and to, for example leftwing conspiracy theorist Gilad Atzmon’s, who, besides being frequently featured on these pages, having married a Palestinian woman after having spent his entire life rebelling against his right wing Zionist father, to matters of reality. That of hardly-arguable Jewish intellectual superiority which is evidenced every day in Israel. Atzmon and his pals will consider how many Jewish dancers on the head of a pin one can argue with. Such contemplations of antisemitic fools are beyond the reach of conventional inscience.

    https://www.discovery.org/a/11771/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/opinion/12brooks.html

    The Atzmon matter, somewhat peripheral to this story, is probably better left to psychiatrists and advanced pharmaceuticals. As an antidote to Jewish intellectual supremacy, one might consider that the Jews are not a race, that the Ashkenazim are white people, and the matter is hardly arguable in the light of the evidence. Also, that Jewhating “Jew” Atzmon kept proving throughout his arguably-exemplary musical career 1. that not every Jew is smart, 2. to trying to prove the Jews are taking over the world by next Thursday the latest, and 3. to the obnoxious idea that the Israelis are but Nazis wrapped in religion and the Israeli flag. Actually, what Atzmon and his pals – mostly non-Jews – in like-kind thinking cannot disprove what many Palestinian leaders have said publicly: The Palestinian People never existed because they were invented in Moscow in 1964. REF: Mitrokhin Archives i & 2. Actually, what Atzmon and other Judeophobics won’t admit is that the Palestinian Movement is not a liberation, but a Jihadi movement. And that Jihadi movement is what those despicable Israelis are fighting. That Jihadi movement is what the Judeophobics joined because Hitler failed to finish the job.

    Hitler started the job

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/26/the-atomic-bomb-considered-as-hungarian-high-school-science-fair-project/

    and my take:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/the_crucifixion_of_james_watson.html

  • By the time the scales fell from my eyes in the mid-2000s, veterans of the Steveosphere were regularly referencing a BBC article from 1998 reporting on how 91% of Chinese scientists supported genetic engineering for eugenic purposes. The Han Menace won't be held back by all the egalitarian make believe that is retarding the West,...
  • @vok3
    "The general consensus on the HBD-realist right is that the left will never accept biological realities about genetic differences. I disagree. When they realize it serves their ideological interests to do so, they'll turn on a dime. "

    There's this NPC forum I read. Yesterday, the following discussion took place.

    First, someone linked an article including the following text:

    "Last week, the Ohio state house passed a bill that would ban abortions at six weeks. [...] Republican state Rep. Christina Hagan brought her infant twins onto the floor to shame women who aren't mothers about their alleged selfishness."

    A child-free female responds:

    "Yeah, using one's own kids as a political prop, totally selfless."

    "oh god I just read her reasoning for no rape-or-incest exceptions
    fuck you forever"

    To which a child-free male chimes in:

    "Let's not forget how she made sure that it would be her own DNA propagating through the next generation, instead of adopting children in need. But obviously becoming pregnant is the ultimate, selfless sacrifice..."

    AE, I think you are overlooking the very critical fact that to the left, ideology trumps reality. It even trumps existence. The left does not believe in heritable traits. The left believes the mind is entirely supernatural and unconnected in any way to physical substrate - that's why heredity cannot possibly have any effect on behavior, and any inclination to the contrary is Hitlerracist. The left doesn't worry at all about creating new little leftists, they take it for granted that everybody's children will turn leftward if they just get Educated. So they have absolutely no qualms about not propagating their own DNA or worrying about the quality thereof.

    (Tangential note: Rep. Hagan's views on no-rape-or-incest exception is precisely the sort of thing that WILL make China dominant. Abortion in cases of rape or incest not only should be allowed, it is a moral and eugenic requirement.)

    Replies: @95Theses

    Amazing!

  • See, earlier, from 2007: Charles Murray's "Jewish Genius", by Steve Sailer The Left’s attitude to IQ epitomizes its irrational, contradictory, self-serving, anti-science world view. At one moment, IQ tests are biased against blacks, IQ tests don’t measure anything meaningful, and there are different and equally important kinds of “intelligence.†But when a 4-year-old black girl...
  • @Anonymous
    Those Catholics might have rocks for brains, but they sure have some nice architecture, no? Take the 2,000-year-old Pantheon or Notre Dame, the one that made it just past it’s 800th birthday. And the Spanish Colonial style is one of the best, with the elegant, arched doorways and the stucco.

    So, it took some banker brains, toiling away at the math to keep up all of those artists who were painting portraits, landscapes and architectural scenes in perspective, a math-related skill of lower order. Who had the best end of this cognitive-abilities equation, I ask you? And where is Bernie in those rows of Wall Street Journal miniatures of the great Jewish minds?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @buzzwar, @starjello

    Those Catholics might have rocks for brains,

    Nobody said Catholics were dumb. All this article is saying is that, on average, Ashkenazi Jews are smarter.

  • @Anonymous
    Just remember goyim, the genetic link between intelligence and race ONLY applies to (((special people))), because they're (((special))).

    Everyone else is just the same outside and in.

    Replies: @starjello

    I don’t think the article intends to be Jewish cheerleading. I think it is about reveling in the fact that leftists can engage in Jewish cheerleading without admitting IQ is highly heritable and average IQ varied by race.

  • @mark green
    Why does the author of this article continuously shift between making generalizations about 'Jews' and 'Ashkenazi Jews'? It is known, for instance, that the average IQ in Israel is about 96. Why doesn't this statistical fact surface in to his claim about 'Jewish genius'?

    As for Catholics, tens of millions of Catholics are Hispanic and millions more, African converts. There is no such thing as a 'Catholic IQ'.

    But if we are to play this IQ game, why not measure and average the entire Jewish genome?

    If we did, Jewish 'genius' would surely be far less spectacular.

    If, for instance, we measured only (Christian) Presbyterians and Unitarian IQs (who tend to come from upper-middle-class background) these average Christian IQs would probably reveal them to be 'smarter'.

    Certainly, many European-derived Jews (who are automatically entitled to Israeli citizenship) are very intelligent and super high achievers, but why do all Jews (including those with a European genetic admixture) get to be added in with the so-called descendents of King David and God's 'Chosen people'?

    Tricks of this kind also elevate the interests of non-Semitic Jews who can hide behind charges of being victimized by 'anti-Semitism'.

    Similarly, American Jews also get to play the 'Holocaust survivor' game, even though they were never threatened by Hitler's alleged plan for 'genocide'.

    The shifting sands of Jewish identity and Jewish 'history' are a political shell game.

    But here's a fact we should agree on: the destiny and vision of the Jewish people is inexorably linked to their collective sense of innate superiority, unparallelled Godliness as a separate race, and intermitable conflict with the 'anti-Semitic' goyim.

    This toxic worldview renders Jews our perennial adversaries, not our allies.

    Replies: @starjello

    “Why does the author of this article continuously shift between making generalizations about ‘Jews’ and ‘Ashkenazi Jews’?”

    Most people say Jew when they are referring to Ashkenazim.

  • Mozart, Nils Bor, James Watt, Wernher von Braun, Picasso, Rembrandt, George Washington, Sun Tsu, Pasteur, Bach, Gottfried Daimler, Tchaikovsky, Tesla, Melville and Mark Twain, Lise Meitner and Otto Hahn, and so on…, and so on…

  • @Lot
    “As far back as 1938, a study noted the Ashkenazis’ outstanding levels of intelligence â€

    They go back even further than that. In fact there were enough such studies in 1936 that a review article of them was published. (Brill, Studies of Jewish and non-Jewish Intelligence)

    The Stanford Binet study of the highest IQ children in NYC public schools in the 1920s was about 93% Jewish.

    Here’s a giant 1936 study of Wisconsin children with Jews on top:

    https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/1936-byrns.pdf

    Replies: @Reisen, @Jonathan Revusky, @Father O'Hara, @anon, @Emil O. W. Kirkegaard

    Nice find. Didn’t know about this one.

  • “which is probably why he tried to scam a million dollars with a fake theorem.”

    My theorems are not fake and have not scammed anything. But you, the African genius, are concocting fake arguments for a superior Nigerian IQ. You have lost all credibility. Just stop.

  • Okechukwu says:
    June 9, 2019 at 6:47 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words

    I see a few of the Unz Review dumbasses have converged here:

    A college professor and physicist who doesn’t understand the scientific method or how scientific experimentation works, which is probably why he tried to scam a million dollars with a fake theorem.

    Some joker who thinks that Richard Lynn is a real scholar and researcher.

    A smelly, servile hindu who thinks he can “join the club” if he licks enough white supremacist ass. But the dumb hindu doesn’t understand that white people prefer black people to Indians, white women especially.

    LOL. Have at it, you imbeciles.

  • j2 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 5:26 pm GMT •ï¿½400 Words
    @Professional Stranger
    You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy. He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, and true-believers in any doctrine can not be moved by reason, or facts. He is emotionally dependent on P.C doctrine, because it relieves his well-founded racial-inferiority complex.
    https://thedailycoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/paine-768x361-720x340.jpg

    Replies: @j2, @j2

    “He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, ”

    I do not think he is a believer in P.C. doctrine. He believes that Nigerians have a very high IQ. He very easily accepts that Somalies have a much lower IQ than Nigerians. He is a Nigerian supremacist.

    I think the reason is very simple: he has found out from some statistics that Nigerians, who immigrate to the USA, have the average IQ of 110. They are mostly students going to study in American universities, so it is very likely that they have this average IQ. It is actually lower than the average IQ of students in the American universities where they go (which probably is about 120-125).

    Students have a higher IQ than the country average. People, who today move from Northern Europe to the USA, mostly move there to do doctorate studies or have managed to get a professorship of some kind (like an assistant professor), so their average IQ is probably around 130. These selected groups of students or young academics do not in any way tell what the average IQ is in the country.

    But he thinks that if Nigerians in the USA have the average of 110, then Nigerians in Nigeria must have the same average IQ of 110, only the IQ researchers are lying.

    He has also noticed that there are more intelligent blacks in Nigeria than could be if the genetic average IQ were 70, thus he claims IQ research is false. Of course he is correct, there are more intelligent blacks: the genetic average IQ of Africans is not 70. Nobody claims the genetic IQ average is 70. The value 70 is the actual value you measure today and it is largely a result of poor schools. The genetic average IQ is estimated to be 85. Because of this, from any privileged group (like rich Nigerians) one can find much more intelligent Africans than were possible if the genetic average IQ were 70.

    Finally he has searched for intelligent black people and found them. He could find one esteemed black professor of theoretical physics, Dr. Gates. Of course there are some intelligent blacks. In the USA in 36 years some 400 blacks made a PhD in physics, compared to some 24,000 whites, who also made a PhD in physics in this time period. There are about 10 black professors of physics in the USA, not all from theoretical physics. The rest of these professors of physics, a quite large number in the USA, are mainly whites, some are Asian. But by cherry picking the black he finds that there are very many very bright blacks and IQ research must be false.

    That’s his three arguments against IQ research. All his arguments are false and that’s about it.

  • @Okechukwu
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Shut-up, you smelly hindu. Black Canadians have been there from the beginning. They are more inventive, more accomplished, more famous, more dynamic and more successful than you Indians.

    Why a piece of shit like you thinks he can look down on black people is baffling. You are literally less relevant the crud stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

    Btw, you are at Res-level stupidity. In addition to your stupidity, you have a serious mental illness, making you a very dumb psychopath. You're not worth a second of my time.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    You’ve given me far more than a second of your time, but alas that is the intelligence of a negroid. Blacks everywhere have been useless so by extension they have achieved nothing. Straight facts.Literally the least accomplished group anywhere and everywhere. Actually plenty of people complain about black people smelling too, so glass houses. You’re a pretty useless negroid.

  • j2 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 12:34 pm GMT •ï¿½300 Words
    @Professional Stranger
    You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy. He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, and true-believers in any doctrine can not be moved by reason, or facts. He is emotionally dependent on P.C doctrine, because it relieves his well-founded racial-inferiority complex.
    https://thedailycoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/paine-768x361-720x340.jpg

    Replies: @j2, @j2

    “You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy.”

    Of course my old buddy Dude and even me understand all that. But to give the fair chance is to play the fair game. It is pretty much the same as to give the Wiz of Unz the fair chance to explain his faulty argument and even help him with that in the logical points, as Wiz can put the words fine. You know and I know that Wiz will cheat in the end, he always does, but he was given all the chance there is to play straight at least one time in a lifetime. About this Oke guy, I have tamed so many stray dogs and cats, who were aggressive because they were afraid, but humans are nothing like animals. These people are not afraid, it is not so. They do not have any inferiority complex. They really have the good old-fashioned superiority complex. They feel superior to you. They may not have IQ 3.6 SD, but no matter, they are more intelligent than you. To deal with them is more like trying to tame a lion. Ever tried to tame a wild lion? There is no chance to tame a wild lion. Some trolls here in Unz did say to me something like “I am sorry I called you dumb idiot asshole, I see you are OK”, but they were white trolls. Oke will not say so, nor will he think so. Never, ever. From many studies we know exactly what blacks think of white people. Yet, we do differently because we are as we are. And we do things not because they help anything but because the code demands that they be done.

  • You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy. He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, and true-believers in any doctrine can not be moved by reason, or facts. He is emotionally dependent on P.C doctrine, because it relieves his well-founded racial-inferiority complex.

    •ï¿½Replies: @j2
    @Professional Stranger

    "You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy."

    Of course my old buddy Dude and even me understand all that. But to give the fair chance is to play the fair game. It is pretty much the same as to give the Wiz of Unz the fair chance to explain his faulty argument and even help him with that in the logical points, as Wiz can put the words fine. You know and I know that Wiz will cheat in the end, he always does, but he was given all the chance there is to play straight at least one time in a lifetime. About this Oke guy, I have tamed so many stray dogs and cats, who were aggressive because they were afraid, but humans are nothing like animals. These people are not afraid, it is not so. They do not have any inferiority complex. They really have the good old-fashioned superiority complex. They feel superior to you. They may not have IQ 3.6 SD, but no matter, they are more intelligent than you. To deal with them is more like trying to tame a lion. Ever tried to tame a wild lion? There is no chance to tame a wild lion. Some trolls here in Unz did say to me something like "I am sorry I called you dumb idiot asshole, I see you are OK", but they were white trolls. Oke will not say so, nor will he think so. Never, ever. From many studies we know exactly what blacks think of white people. Yet, we do differently because we are as we are. And we do things not because they help anything but because the code demands that they be done.
    , @j2
    @Professional Stranger

    "He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, "

    I do not think he is a believer in P.C. doctrine. He believes that Nigerians have a very high IQ. He very easily accepts that Somalies have a much lower IQ than Nigerians. He is a Nigerian supremacist.

    I think the reason is very simple: he has found out from some statistics that Nigerians, who immigrate to the USA, have the average IQ of 110. They are mostly students going to study in American universities, so it is very likely that they have this average IQ. It is actually lower than the average IQ of students in the American universities where they go (which probably is about 120-125).

    Students have a higher IQ than the country average. People, who today move from Northern Europe to the USA, mostly move there to do doctorate studies or have managed to get a professorship of some kind (like an assistant professor), so their average IQ is probably around 130. These selected groups of students or young academics do not in any way tell what the average IQ is in the country.

    But he thinks that if Nigerians in the USA have the average of 110, then Nigerians in Nigeria must have the same average IQ of 110, only the IQ researchers are lying.

    He has also noticed that there are more intelligent blacks in Nigeria than could be if the genetic average IQ were 70, thus he claims IQ research is false. Of course he is correct, there are more intelligent blacks: the genetic average IQ of Africans is not 70. Nobody claims the genetic IQ average is 70. The value 70 is the actual value you measure today and it is largely a result of poor schools. The genetic average IQ is estimated to be 85. Because of this, from any privileged group (like rich Nigerians) one can find much more intelligent Africans than were possible if the genetic average IQ were 70.

    Finally he has searched for intelligent black people and found them. He could find one esteemed black professor of theoretical physics, Dr. Gates. Of course there are some intelligent blacks. In the USA in 36 years some 400 blacks made a PhD in physics, compared to some 24,000 whites, who also made a PhD in physics in this time period. There are about 10 black professors of physics in the USA, not all from theoretical physics. The rest of these professors of physics, a quite large number in the USA, are mainly whites, some are Asian. But by cherry picking the black he finds that there are very many very bright blacks and IQ research must be false.

    That's his three arguments against IQ research. All his arguments are false and that's about it.
  • j2 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 5:30 am GMT •ï¿½400 Words

    “Be careful about posting your real name to this site, or on the internet at all. Be extra careful and vigilant here, we don’t want you to be vilified because of guilt by association to this forum of “Racists†or whatnot”

    Thanks Dude, but I never write or say anything as anonymous. I think one should always appear under his name and say only things that no police will object to. One can use a penname, like j2, for a number of reasons, but the real name should not be hidden. Anyway, the police can find you whatever anonymous name you use should you do something illegal.

    Just to make it clear to the real police, the unofficial thought police, and to everybody, I am no racist, and no antisemite (even though I have correctly calculated the death toll of the holocaust: it was so simple arithmetics that I had to do it, I refuse to think of math. as a crime). I do not hate anybody, nor do I instigate any violence between ethnic or other groups.

    I do not dislike Africans, though our African friend could do better by being less offensive. Indeed, the time I was in Mali was an UN activity, help for developing countries, and we had the best intentions. It was meant to help African countries to develop telecommunications by arranging a workshop with Western experts who could advice them, only that the locals decided not to participate, so nothing useful came out of that workshop. But we saw what the state really was, and that was useful, gives you the correct view. The people there were no morons, which is also visible if you follow the French satellite channel TV5, but Mali was undeveloped. It was before the present violence in Mali.

    Yet the history that we have been told is in many cases quite false, and that is absolutely true. And I do not doubt that IQ tests between different countries show what they show. It is highly unlikely that all IQ researchers have cheated in all those scientific publications, as our African friend claims.

  • Okechukwu says:
    June 9, 2019 at 5:29 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Okechukwu


    Douglas Todd
    �
    Well known guy.

    Refugees earn more than most Canadians after 25 years
    �
    The refugees Canada took in those days were Vietnamese people, some Tamil people escaping the encurring Civil War in Sri Lanka, the Indian immigrants running from Uganda after Idi Amin's expulsion as well as some Punjabis who were political dissidents of the Khalistani movements, or just regular Punjabis running after the anti-Sikh progroms in the 1980s. We didnt take many Negroids for that matter, and since the article says 25 years or whatever, I'm probably right. This is also a clear attempt at blurring the lines, as he refuses to diistinguish between differences that exist between these different groups, so it's quite irrelevant to your argument, and contrary to your arrogance, it does not prove anything. Nothing at all.

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/190212/dq190212a-eng.htm

    Among Syrian refugees aged 20 to 59 who arrived in 2015 and 2016, 24% of males and 8% of females were employed on Census Day (May 10)
    �
    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-trudeau-government-goes-silent-on-syrian-refugees

    But employment fell to 10 per cent among the larger cohort of “government-assisted†refugees,
    �
    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/analysis-many-syrian-refugees-still-struggling-after-12-full-months-in-canada

    Syrian families with four or more children – which make up the majority of Syrian families in Canada – can get about $50,000 a year in taxpayer-funded benefits.
    �
    Not very helpful.


    Sudanese Refugee Graduates From Ivy League School

    Morris Kaunda Michael was five-years-old when his family fled war-torn Sudan for a refugee camp in Kenya. He braved the camp, came to the U.S. and got accepted at Columbia University. Michael, who recently completed his degree in biomedical engineering, shares his journey from refugee to graduate.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/05/27/136715569/sudanese-refugee-graduates-from-ivy-league-school

    Daughter of SomaliRefugees accepted to all 8 Ivy League Schools

    Munira Khalif, a senior at Mounds Park Academy in St. Paul, Minnesota, told NBC affiliate KARE that she was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools — plus several other prestigious universities.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-teen-munira-khalif-accepted-all-eight-ivy-league-schools-n338661


    https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/2-years-in-finding-work-a-challenge-for-syrian-refugees-1.3757526

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/03/syrian-refugees-canada_a_23426295/

    God these are useless people(look who I'm talking to).
    Son of Somali Refugees Heading to Yale on a Full Ride

    Ayanle Nur might have been in his high school Spanish class on December 3, but his mind was elsewhere. The seventeen-year-old DSST Green Valley Ranch senior and son of Somali refugees was awaiting the most important news of his life: whether he had been accepted to his dream school, Yale University.
    �
    Simple. Ape-firmative action. How hard was that to debunk? Not very . Gotta try harder.



    You're also using Somalis as an example. Oof, you're almost making this too easy.

    http://atwork.settlement.org/downloads/Settlement_Experiences_Eritrean_Somali_Parents_Toronto.pdf

    Somalis have a fertility rate of 6.8 children compared to the Canadian rate of 1.2
    �
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/somali-war-criminals-in-the-news/?highlight=Somali#comment-3218311

    http://ocasi.org/sites/default/files/OCASI_Presentation_Somali_Resettlement_Metropolis_2016.pdf

    ] In terms of other education indicators, the number of Somali-speaking
    students who dropped out of high school in Toronto was estimated at 25% according to a TDSB
    commissioned report. Higher suspension rates and lower achievements in
    �
    http://atwork.settlement.org/downloads/Settlement_Experiences_Eritrean_Somali_Parents_Toronto.pdf

    page 31, chart 4. Both groups are welfare leeches lol

    Typical of negroids to be fair

    Replies: @Okechukwu

    Shut-up, you smelly hindu. Black Canadians have been there from the beginning. They are more inventive, more accomplished, more famous, more dynamic and more successful than you Indians.

    Why a piece of shit like you thinks he can look down on black people is baffling. You are literally less relevant the crud stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

    Btw, you are at Res-level stupidity. In addition to your stupidity, you have a serious mental illness, making you a very dumb psychopath. You’re not worth a second of my time.

    •ï¿½Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Okechukwu

    You've given me far more than a second of your time, but alas that is the intelligence of a negroid. Blacks everywhere have been useless so by extension they have achieved nothing. Straight facts.Literally the least accomplished group anywhere and everywhere. Actually plenty of people complain about black people smelling too, so glass houses. You're a pretty useless negroid.
  • @j2
    @Okechukwu

    As you write like this
    "I’m pretty sure I’m smarter than you, your alleged credentials notwithstanding."
    and this
    "LOL. Only a dumbass would dismiss Einstein’s accomplishments."
    it means that we can discuss the problems in Einstein's special and general relativity.

    I wrote about the problem in the general relativity here:
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1812.0067v1.pdf

    As you are creative and highly talented, or as you say, above it, it should not be any problem for you to calculate Ricci tensor elements (just sum Christoffel symbols from the definition of the Ricci tensor for a given metric, as is done in the paper). Then see how the terms cancel in Schwarzschild's solution. See something strange there. The natural way they should cancel is as in potential, as in Nordstrom's theory. Then calculate the relativity tests and you see that the Shapiro time delay. You will see that it is incorrectly calculated in the literature because you should use the proper time difference not from special relativity but from general relativity theory, and the one from the general relativity gives a result that does not match observations. If you correctly do the calculation of the Shapiro time delay for Nordstrom's theory, you do get the observed result. Nordstrom developed his theory of gravitation just a bit before Einstein. If is from Nordstrom's solution Einstein got the idea that the equation should be that an expression from the curvature tensor should equal the stress-enerty tensor, but he apparently got the stress-energy components wrong. But the main problem is that the solution should be a potential, not the one from Schwarschild's solution, which cancels terms in a very specific way.

    The problem in the special relativity I described here.
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1812.0261v1.pdf
    This one is very easy, as special relativity is very easy, so it is much easier to check. (Calculations of the Ricci tensor elements is some work, I agree). The problem is the most obvious in time dilation. Calculate time dilation in the direction orthogonal to the motion, as it is usually done, and then calculate if in the direction of motion and set them equal as the time dilation cannot depend on the direction. (A moving object does not have a different local time to one direction or another, time is a scalar). This calculation you do directly from the Lorentz transform. When you set the time dilation to both directions to be equal, you get a different gamma. It is not the Lorentz gamma, meaning that the equations of motion are not Lorentz invariant and the 4-space is not the Minkowski space. I wrote a more natural transform with a more natural addition of velocities. It agrees with the Lorentz transform if the object moves with the speed of light, so it agrees with all measurements done to verify the special relativity, but it is not special relativity. It is a transform of a discrete model where there is a preferred frame of reference. That is, Einstein was wrong when he discarded the ether time. There is a preferred frame of reference.

    I prefer not to continue the discussion of African average IQ with you. You had the opportunity to present your views and evidence to a fairly intelligent and very patient person, but you did not present anything.

    Yes, I consider IQ research as a junk field when compared with many other fields of science, such as mathematics, where one actually can prove something, and even this hazy field of theoretical physics, where any intelligent person soon notices that everything is not quite fine, it is lots of speculation and not rigidly proven claims. But engineering physics is fine, as are many other engineering fields, such as telecommunications and computer science. These are on a considerably better level than IQ research as sciences. They use mathematics and mostly in a perfectly correct way, and they are not ideological.

    Einstein's relativity theory, on the other hand, is ideological in a sense. His goal was to find impressive results and the result was to confuse. To remove the belief that there may be another world in addition to this one. That was the result of dropping the ether time. One very clear case of this confusion, or mystification of physics by Einstein is the ERP-paradox. I looked at it in these two short notes:
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1810.0504v1.pdf
    and
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1810.0503v1.pdf
    It seems that the ERP-paradox is simply Einstein's misunderstanding and the famous Bell's Theorem is a false result coming from incorrect scaling of the measurement instrument according to Bohr's rule, though Bohr's rule should apply only to the wave function of the particle, not to that of the measurement set up (direction vectors).

    As you are more intelligent than me, I expect to have an interesting and in depth discussion of these manuscripts with you. I would not mind if Res, who is also very intelligent, would also take a look at them. Einstein's achievements do deserve a closer look, that is, from people who do not any more believe everything they learned in the university.

    Replies: @res, @Okechukwu, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Be careful about posting your real name to this site, or on the internet at all. Be extra careful and vigilant here, we don’t want you to be vilified because of guilt by association to this forum of “Racists” or whatnot

  • @Okechukwu
    @j2


    Refugees are not selected for intelligence, so their intelligence should be close to the ethnic group average. There are also several refugee groups from different countries. They can be compared to each other.
    �
    LOL. I love debunking this kind of bullshit.

    Douglas Todd: Refugees earn more than most Canadians after 25 years

    The immigration and tax department data, which tracks refugees’ earnings from 1981 to 2014, shows that average government-assisted refugees earned less than $20,000 a year in their first decade in the country, when many families rely on provincial welfare and other government benefits to get by.

    However, after 25 to 30 years in Canada, the average refugee is earning roughly $50,000 a year, about $5,000 more than the average Canadian. The study also shows the earnings gap between government-assisted refugees, who initially do worse than privately-sponsored refugees, basically disappears over the long run.

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-refugees-earn-more-than-most-canadians-after-25-years

    Sudanese Refugee Graduates From Ivy League School

    Morris Kaunda Michael was five-years-old when his family fled war-torn Sudan for a refugee camp in Kenya. He braved the camp, came to the U.S. and got accepted at Columbia University. Michael, who recently completed his degree in biomedical engineering, shares his journey from refugee to graduate.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/05/27/136715569/sudanese-refugee-graduates-from-ivy-league-school

    Daughter of SomaliRefugees accepted to all 8 Ivy League Schools

    Munira Khalif, a senior at Mounds Park Academy in St. Paul, Minnesota, told NBC affiliate KARE that she was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools — plus several other prestigious universities.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-teen-munira-khalif-accepted-all-eight-ivy-league-schools-n338661

    Son of Somali Refugees Heading to Yale on a Full Ride

    Ayanle Nur might have been in his high school Spanish class on December 3, but his mind was elsewhere. The seventeen-year-old DSST Green Valley Ranch senior and son of Somali refugees was awaiting the most important news of his life: whether he had been accepted to his dream school, Yale University.

    https://www.westword.com/news/son-of-somali-refugees-from-montbello-heading-to-yale-on-a-full-ride-11067667

    There are many, many more such stories. It's all about the environment. If the average Finn is as bigoted as you are, I can how Somalis would struggle there.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Hippopotamusdrome, @j2, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Douglas Todd

    Well known guy.

    Refugees earn more than most Canadians after 25 years

    The refugees Canada took in those days were Vietnamese people, some Tamil people escaping the encurring Civil War in Sri Lanka, the Indian immigrants running from Uganda after Idi Amin’s expulsion as well as some Punjabis who were political dissidents of the Khalistani movements, or just regular Punjabis running after the anti-Sikh progroms in the 1980s. We didnt take many Negroids for that matter, and since the article says 25 years or whatever, I’m probably right. This is also a clear attempt at blurring the lines, as he refuses to diistinguish between differences that exist between these different groups, so it’s quite irrelevant to your argument, and contrary to your arrogance, it does not prove anything. Nothing at all.

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/190212/dq190212a-eng.htm

    Among Syrian refugees aged 20 to 59 who arrived in 2015 and 2016, 24% of males and 8% of females were employed on Census Day (May 10)

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-trudeau-government-goes-silent-on-syrian-refugees

    But employment fell to 10 per cent among the larger cohort of “government-assisted†refugees,

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/analysis-many-syrian-refugees-still-struggling-after-12-full-months-in-canada

    Syrian families with four or more children – which make up the majority of Syrian families in Canada – can get about $50,000 a year in taxpayer-funded benefits.

    Not very helpful.

    [MORE]

    Sudanese Refugee Graduates From Ivy League School

    Morris Kaunda Michael was five-years-old when his family fled war-torn Sudan for a refugee camp in Kenya. He braved the camp, came to the U.S. and got accepted at Columbia University. Michael, who recently completed his degree in biomedical engineering, shares his journey from refugee to graduate.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/05/27/136715569/sudanese-refugee-graduates-from-ivy-league-school

    Daughter of SomaliRefugees accepted to all 8 Ivy League Schools

    Munira Khalif, a senior at Mounds Park Academy in St. Paul, Minnesota, told NBC affiliate KARE that she was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools — plus several other prestigious universities.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-teen-munira-khalif-accepted-all-eight-ivy-league-schools-n338661

    https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/2-years-in-finding-work-a-challenge-for-syrian-refugees-1.3757526

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/03/syrian-refugees-canada_a_23426295/

    God these are useless people(look who I’m talking to).
    Son of Somali Refugees Heading to Yale on a Full Ride

    Ayanle Nur might have been in his high school Spanish class on December 3, but his mind was elsewhere. The seventeen-year-old DSST Green Valley Ranch senior and son of Somali refugees was awaiting the most important news of his life: whether he had been accepted to his dream school, Yale University.

    Simple. Ape-firmative action. How hard was that to debunk? Not very . Gotta try harder.

    You’re also using Somalis as an example. Oof, you’re almost making this too easy.

    http://atwork.settlement.org/downloads/Settlement_Experiences_Eritrean_Somali_Parents_Toronto.pdf

    Somalis have a fertility rate of 6.8 children compared to the Canadian rate of 1.2

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/somali-war-criminals-in-the-news/?highlight=Somali#comment-3218311

    http://ocasi.org/sites/default/files/OCASI_Presentation_Somali_Resettlement_Metropolis_2016.pdf

    ] In terms of other education indicators, the number of Somali-speaking
    students who dropped out of high school in Toronto was estimated at 25% according to a TDSB
    commissioned report. Higher suspension rates and lower achievements in

    http://atwork.settlement.org/downloads/Settlement_Experiences_Eritrean_Somali_Parents_Toronto.pdf

    page 31, chart 4. Both groups are welfare leeches lol

    Typical of negroids to be fair

    •ï¿½Troll: Okechukwu
    •ï¿½Replies: @Okechukwu
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Shut-up, you smelly hindu. Black Canadians have been there from the beginning. They are more inventive, more accomplished, more famous, more dynamic and more successful than you Indians.

    Why a piece of shit like you thinks he can look down on black people is baffling. You are literally less relevant the crud stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

    Btw, you are at Res-level stupidity. In addition to your stupidity, you have a serious mental illness, making you a very dumb psychopath. You're not worth a second of my time.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  • @Svigor
    @Okechukwu


    There are no mainstream IQ researchers. Real scientists avoid the topic like the plague because it’s pointless. I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary. So only someone of devious motives would waste time and energy trying to “prove†that Africans are less intelligent. We already have conclusive proof that Africans are not less intelligent. They knew this hundreds of years ago. They knew it during American slavery, which is why slaves were forbidden to learn to read or write. Modern science and genetics have only confirmed what was already known so long ago, but which you clowns, having the benefit of modern science and genetics, refuse to acknowledge.
    �
    Nigger logic.

    Replies: @jeff stryker, @BengaliCanadianDude

    LOL

    its funny but you should reduce yourself to his level

  • Okechukwu says:
    June 8, 2019 at 7:50 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @j2
    @Okechukwu

    "You’re a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn’t going to happen in Finland, "

    I checked the number of PhDs in the USA and in Finland. From these figures we can get a rough estimate for the African American average IQ.

    The number of births in Finland was about 60,000 per year in 1990s and 30 years later the number of PhDs made has been about 1800 yearly. That is 3% of the year class makes a PhD. Assuming that they are the brightests, the PhD demand is about 128 IQ points. In reality not all bright make a PhD and the current PhD level is about 124 IQ points over all fields. (In education it is lower, maybe 117, and in math. and phys. higher, about 130).

    The Finnish population is 5.5 million, which is 92 times the year class of 60,000. This gives a formula to the percentage of the year class making a PhD:

    percentage to make PhD = (PhD theses in a year) * 92 / population

    Thus, in the USA the population is 327 million and in 2018 were made 79,000 PhD theses. This is

    percentage to make PhD in the USA = 79*92/327,000 =2.2%

    If the average PhD level is 124 IQ points and the USA average is 98, then the level is 26 points over average, 1.73 SD. That is 4.2% of the population. We see that about half of those who intellectually could make a PhD actually make it in the USA. In Finland the average IQ is 101, so the PhD level is 23/15=1,53 SD. That is 6,3% of the population. The percentage who make a PhD is 3%. This seems to fit well. About half of those who are able to do it actually do it. We can use the same rule for African Americans.

    There are 42.5 million African Americans and about 1900 make a PhD thesis yearly. The formula gives

    percentage to make PhD for African Americans = 1.9*92/42,500=0.0041, so 0.4% of African Americans make a PhD. Using the rule that twice as many are capable of doing it because of IQ, we get 0.8% African Americans are above the limit 124 IQ points. The value 0.8% corresponds to 2.66 SD, that is 36 IQ points. Then the average IQ of African Americans is 124-36=88 IQ points. It is probably a bit smaller than that because a larger part of African American PhD theses is in education. We get to the usual estimate of 85-87 IQ average to African Americans. Let is be 87.

    From this figure we can estimate that for Finns to have 155 IQ requires 3.6 SD, while for African Americans this level is 4.5 SD. There are 50 times more people over the level 3.6 SD than over the level 4.5 SD. As there are 7.7 times as many African Americans, there are 50/7.7=6.5 times as many Finns over the level 155 IQ than there are African Americans. In numbers it is about 800 Finns and about 124 African Americans. This means that we certainly can find very clever African Americans, but we can also find very clever Finns.

    If we go to Africa, which the population of 1 billion, naturally we will find quite many intelligent people, even though they are rare and currently the majority of the population does not have a chance to reach the 87 IQ genetic intelligence, they are closer to the environmental 70 IQ points. The Finnish population is not growing, or not growing because of Finns. So, finally there will be more Africans with an IQ over 155 than Finns. This is natural.

    For the time being, with average IQ at 70, to reach 155 would mean 5.5 SD. That is so rare that tables do not give it. For 5 SD there is the value 0.0000003. Multiplying it with 1 billion gives 300 people. There are 800 Finns over this figure and only 300 Black Africans.

    But naturally, you do not believe in statistics.

    Replies: @Okechukwu

    It’s a shame you still don’t understand how human intelligence works and you call yourself a scientist.

    Take this garbage to a court of law and you’ll be laughed out of the building. That’s a court of law everywhere, including Finland.

    Anyway, I doubt Finland as a whole has a higher percentage of PhD’s than Nigerian-Americans. Nigerians do love getting PhD’s.

    •ï¿½Troll: Professional Stranger
  • @Svigor
    @Okechukwu


    There are no mainstream IQ researchers. Real scientists avoid the topic like the plague because it’s pointless. I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary. So only someone of devious motives would waste time and energy trying to “prove†that Africans are less intelligent. We already have conclusive proof that Africans are not less intelligent. They knew this hundreds of years ago. They knew it during American slavery, which is why slaves were forbidden to learn to read or write. Modern science and genetics have only confirmed what was already known so long ago, but which you clowns, having the benefit of modern science and genetics, refuse to acknowledge.
    �
    Nigger logic.

    Replies: @jeff stryker, @BengaliCanadianDude

    SVIGOR

    It is really debasing for white men to reduce themselves to the level of blacks with childish obscenity and slurs.

    I don’t like this Nigerian baboon baring his fangs either but a white man should be able to maintain a civilized debate without toilet stall racial epithets.

    In all fairness to the Ibo, he has not resorted to them.

  • j2 says:
    June 8, 2019 at 11:42 am GMT •ï¿½600 Words
    @Okechukwu
    @j2


    I see. You say you are more intelligent than me, but it seems to take the best of 1 billion Africans just to equal one Finnish professor on pension.
    �
    Yeah, you're just dumb enough to think that only one black person in a billion is capable of Dr. Gates' level of accomplishments. And you're just dumb enough to believe you are the equal of Dr. Gates.

    You're a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn't going to happen in Finland, with your skinheads chasing after black people.

    That Dr. Gates is exceptional among the likes of you is a given. But he is actually exceptional among the most exceptional people on the planet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUrLDh_dMHw

    Replies: @j2, @j2

    “You’re a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn’t going to happen in Finland, ”

    I checked the number of PhDs in the USA and in Finland. From these figures we can get a rough estimate for the African American average IQ.

    The number of births in Finland was about 60,000 per year in 1990s and 30 years later the number of PhDs made has been about 1800 yearly. That is 3% of the year class makes a PhD. Assuming that they are the brightests, the PhD demand is about 128 IQ points. In reality not all bright make a PhD and the current PhD level is about 124 IQ points over all fields. (In education it is lower, maybe 117, and in math. and phys. higher, about 130).

    The Finnish population is 5.5 million, which is 92 times the year class of 60,000. This gives a formula to the percentage of the year class making a PhD:

    percentage to make PhD = (PhD theses in a year) * 92 / population

    Thus, in the USA the population is 327 million and in 2018 were made 79,000 PhD theses. This is

    percentage to make PhD in the USA = 79*92/327,000 =2.2%

    If the average PhD level is 124 IQ points and the USA average is 98, then the level is 26 points over average, 1.73 SD. That is 4.2% of the population. We see that about half of those who intellectually could make a PhD actually make it in the USA. In Finland the average IQ is 101, so the PhD level is 23/15=1,53 SD. That is 6,3% of the population. The percentage who make a PhD is 3%. This seems to fit well. About half of those who are able to do it actually do it. We can use the same rule for African Americans.

    There are 42.5 million African Americans and about 1900 make a PhD thesis yearly. The formula gives

    percentage to make PhD for African Americans = 1.9*92/42,500=0.0041, so 0.4% of African Americans make a PhD. Using the rule that twice as many are capable of doing it because of IQ, we get 0.8% African Americans are above the limit 124 IQ points. The value 0.8% corresponds to 2.66 SD, that is 36 IQ points. Then the average IQ of African Americans is 124-36=88 IQ points. It is probably a bit smaller than that because a larger part of African American PhD theses is in education. We get to the usual estimate of 85-87 IQ average to African Americans. Let is be 87.

    From this figure we can estimate that for Finns to have 155 IQ requires 3.6 SD, while for African Americans this level is 4.5 SD. There are 50 times more people over the level 3.6 SD than over the level 4.5 SD. As there are 7.7 times as many African Americans, there are 50/7.7=6.5 times as many Finns over the level 155 IQ than there are African Americans. In numbers it is about 800 Finns and about 124 African Americans. This means that we certainly can find very clever African Americans, but we can also find very clever Finns.

    If we go to Africa, which the population of 1 billion, naturally we will find quite many intelligent people, even though they are rare and currently the majority of the population does not have a chance to reach the 87 IQ genetic intelligence, they are closer to the environmental 70 IQ points. The Finnish population is not growing, or not growing because of Finns. So, finally there will be more Africans with an IQ over 155 than Finns. This is natural.

    For the time being, with average IQ at 70, to reach 155 would mean 5.5 SD. That is so rare that tables do not give it. For 5 SD there is the value 0.0000003. Multiplying it with 1 billion gives 300 people. There are 800 Finns over this figure and only 300 Black Africans.

    But naturally, you do not believe in statistics.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Okechukwu
    @j2

    It's a shame you still don't understand how human intelligence works and you call yourself a scientist.

    Take this garbage to a court of law and you'll be laughed out of the building. That's a court of law everywhere, including Finland.

    Anyway, I doubt Finland as a whole has a higher percentage of PhD's than Nigerian-Americans. Nigerians do love getting PhD's.
  • Svigor says:
    June 8, 2019 at 9:22 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Okechukwu
    @j2


    In all populations there is a distribution of IQ scores. There is no objection that an individual from a population with a lower IQ score can have a higher IQ than an average individual from a population with a higher average IQ score, as may be the case with your Nigerian.
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    This is racist pseudoscientific white supremacy ideology. You have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that intelligent individuals are rarer among Nigerians than Finns. As a matter of fact, if you were dumb enough to bet everything you own that any random Finn or any 10,000 random Finns or even any 100,000 random Finns are going to be innately more intelligent than the same number of random Nigerians, you might lose everything you own on that bet.

    But, by all means, if you really believe that intelligence is more prevalent among Finns vis-à-vis Nigerians, then go into the lab, prove it conclusively, and win a Nobel Prize. It would be a seminal, earth-shattering discovery if true. It would be one of the truly outstanding scientific discoveries of our time. Go for it. Good luck.

    You claim that the average genetic IQ of Africans equals the average genetic IQ of Europeans. Main stream IQ researchers claim that the average genetic IQ of Africans is lower than the average genetic IQ of Europeans.
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    There are no mainstream IQ researchers. Real scientists avoid the topic like the plague because it's pointless. I'm of pure African descent and I'm not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary. So only someone of devious motives would waste time and energy trying to "prove" that Africans are less intelligent. We already have conclusive proof that Africans are not less intelligent. They knew this hundreds of years ago. They knew it during American slavery, which is why slaves were forbidden to learn to read or write. Modern science and genetics have only confirmed what was already known so long ago, but which you clowns, having the benefit of modern science and genetics, refuse to acknowledge.

    Both claims allow, indeed imply, that there are many Africans, who have an IQ higher than the average IQ of a selected European country. Indeed, if the African average IQ were the figure given by Lynn, i.e., 70
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    Actually, no. Real scientists who care enough about this topic to comment would probably tell you that if any group has a genetic advantage in intelligence it's probably Africans. As a racist, it's a possibility you are dismissing. But a real scientist who is unbiased and genuinely searching for the truth would not dismiss that possibility. It's why we have the Africa Einstein Project:

    https://www.nexteinstein.org/

    This is real. This is the state of real scientific thought today as distinct from your pseudoscience. The belief that there are many potential Einsteins in Africa is the normative mainstream scientific consensus.

    Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert, @res, @Svigor

    There are no mainstream IQ researchers. Real scientists avoid the topic like the plague because it’s pointless. I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary. So only someone of devious motives would waste time and energy trying to “prove†that Africans are less intelligent. We already have conclusive proof that Africans are not less intelligent. They knew this hundreds of years ago. They knew it during American slavery, which is why slaves were forbidden to learn to read or write. Modern science and genetics have only confirmed what was already known so long ago, but which you clowns, having the benefit of modern science and genetics, refuse to acknowledge.

    Nigger logic.

    •ï¿½Replies: @jeff stryker
    @Svigor

    SVIGOR


    It is really debasing for white men to reduce themselves to the level of blacks with childish obscenity and slurs.

    I don't like this Nigerian baboon baring his fangs either but a white man should be able to maintain a civilized debate without toilet stall racial epithets.

    In all fairness to the Ibo, he has not resorted to them.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Svigor

    LOL


    its funny but you should reduce yourself to his level
  • j2 says:
    June 7, 2019 at 8:06 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Okechukwu
    @j2


    I see. You say you are more intelligent than me, but it seems to take the best of 1 billion Africans just to equal one Finnish professor on pension.
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    Yeah, you're just dumb enough to think that only one black person in a billion is capable of Dr. Gates' level of accomplishments. And you're just dumb enough to believe you are the equal of Dr. Gates.

    You're a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn't going to happen in Finland, with your skinheads chasing after black people.

    That Dr. Gates is exceptional among the likes of you is a given. But he is actually exceptional among the most exceptional people on the planet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUrLDh_dMHw

    Replies: @j2, @j2

    I see you are trying, but those are still not world class insults. Those are a bit such provincial insults. Try a bit harder. As your selected specialization and use of your superior intelligence is on insulting people you do not know, I can, as an experienced supervisor on any topic, try to supervise you to reach an international level. Still so far I would say that Res does it much better, when he only tries. A bit more effort from you. Try to pour all your hatred of White people from the depths of your hearth, maybe then it will go.

  • j2 says:
    June 7, 2019 at 7:20 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Okechukwu
    @j2


    How can a super intelligent person not take such a small challenge?
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    Why would I get involved with ridiculous challenges on the Internet, especially from a crackpot like you?

    Replies: @j2

    “Why would I get involved with ridiculous challenges on the Internet, especially from a crackpot like you?”

    But you are the most intelligent commenter on this site. If you did not like tensor calculus, well, I admit it is rather elementary, over 100 years old, but that was the time of Einstein, then how about something more modern, like Yang-Mills fields:
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.3962.pdf

    One internet bloggist did check that paper and found it quite correct, so you may be very wrong thinking that my Millennium problem solutions are wrong. They are so far not shown wrong. But maybe you are super intelligent in a different way. You do not use your super intelligence on theoretical problems. It shows in some other things, like in your highly creative insults you pour on people. Did I get it right? Is that the main content of your super high intelligence? Inventing insults? But your insults are not that original, I have seen better ones. Even Res and Merculinus invented better insults in one previous thread. You have to catch up.

  • Okechukwu says:
    June 7, 2019 at 7:19 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @j2
    @Okechukwu

    "Sylvester James Gates, Jr. is currently the Roth Family Visiting Professor at Dartmouth College and University System Regents Professor and the John S. Toll Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland, College Park, the Director of the String and Particle Theory Center, Affiliate Professor of Mathematics. He serves on President Barack Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, the Maryland State Board of Education, and is known for his work on supersymmetry, supergravity, and superstring theory."

    I see. You say you are more intelligent than me, but it seems to take the best of 1 billion Africans just to equal one Finnish professor on pension. You could not equal yourself, so you looked for any African professor. That is very telling of you.

    Replies: @Okechukwu

    I see. You say you are more intelligent than me, but it seems to take the best of 1 billion Africans just to equal one Finnish professor on pension.

    Yeah, you’re just dumb enough to think that only one black person in a billion is capable of Dr. Gates’ level of accomplishments. And you’re just dumb enough to believe you are the equal of Dr. Gates.

    You’re a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn’t going to happen in Finland, with your skinheads chasing after black people.

    That Dr. Gates is exceptional among the likes of you is a given. But he is actually exceptional among the most exceptional people on the planet.


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    •ï¿½Replies: @j2
    @Okechukwu

    I see you are trying, but those are still not world class insults. Those are a bit such provincial insults. Try a bit harder. As your selected specialization and use of your superior intelligence is on insulting people you do not know, I can, as an experienced supervisor on any topic, try to supervise you to reach an international level. Still so far I would say that Res does it much better, when he only tries. A bit more effort from you. Try to pour all your hatred of White people from the depths of your hearth, maybe then it will go.
    , @j2
    @Okechukwu

    "You’re a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn’t going to happen in Finland, "

    I checked the number of PhDs in the USA and in Finland. From these figures we can get a rough estimate for the African American average IQ.

    The number of births in Finland was about 60,000 per year in 1990s and 30 years later the number of PhDs made has been about 1800 yearly. That is 3% of the year class makes a PhD. Assuming that they are the brightests, the PhD demand is about 128 IQ points. In reality not all bright make a PhD and the current PhD level is about 124 IQ points over all fields. (In education it is lower, maybe 117, and in math. and phys. higher, about 130).

    The Finnish population is 5.5 million, which is 92 times the year class of 60,000. This gives a formula to the percentage of the year class making a PhD:

    percentage to make PhD = (PhD theses in a year) * 92 / population

    Thus, in the USA the population is 327 million and in 2018 were made 79,000 PhD theses. This is

    percentage to make PhD in the USA = 79*92/327,000 =2.2%

    If the average PhD level is 124 IQ points and the USA average is 98, then the level is 26 points over average, 1.73 SD. That is 4.2% of the population. We see that about half of those who intellectually could make a PhD actually make it in the USA. In Finland the average IQ is 101, so the PhD level is 23/15=1,53 SD. That is 6,3% of the population. The percentage who make a PhD is 3%. This seems to fit well. About half of those who are able to do it actually do it. We can use the same rule for African Americans.

    There are 42.5 million African Americans and about 1900 make a PhD thesis yearly. The formula gives

    percentage to make PhD for African Americans = 1.9*92/42,500=0.0041, so 0.4% of African Americans make a PhD. Using the rule that twice as many are capable of doing it because of IQ, we get 0.8% African Americans are above the limit 124 IQ points. The value 0.8% corresponds to 2.66 SD, that is 36 IQ points. Then the average IQ of African Americans is 124-36=88 IQ points. It is probably a bit smaller than that because a larger part of African American PhD theses is in education. We get to the usual estimate of 85-87 IQ average to African Americans. Let is be 87.

    From this figure we can estimate that for Finns to have 155 IQ requires 3.6 SD, while for African Americans this level is 4.5 SD. There are 50 times more people over the level 3.6 SD than over the level 4.5 SD. As there are 7.7 times as many African Americans, there are 50/7.7=6.5 times as many Finns over the level 155 IQ than there are African Americans. In numbers it is about 800 Finns and about 124 African Americans. This means that we certainly can find very clever African Americans, but we can also find very clever Finns.

    If we go to Africa, which the population of 1 billion, naturally we will find quite many intelligent people, even though they are rare and currently the majority of the population does not have a chance to reach the 87 IQ genetic intelligence, they are closer to the environmental 70 IQ points. The Finnish population is not growing, or not growing because of Finns. So, finally there will be more Africans with an IQ over 155 than Finns. This is natural.

    For the time being, with average IQ at 70, to reach 155 would mean 5.5 SD. That is so rare that tables do not give it. For 5 SD there is the value 0.0000003. Multiplying it with 1 billion gives 300 people. There are 800 Finns over this figure and only 300 Black Africans.

    But naturally, you do not believe in statistics.

    Replies: @Okechukwu
  • @j2
    @Okechukwu

    "I am not a theoretical physicist."

    But you were more intelligent than me. Does it mean that you cannot count Ricci tensor elements? I am flabbergasted. How can a super intelligent person not take such a small challenge?

    Replies: @Okechukwu

    How can a super intelligent person not take such a small challenge?

    Why would I get involved with ridiculous challenges on the Internet, especially from a crackpot like you?

    •ï¿½Replies: @j2
    @Okechukwu

    "Why would I get involved with ridiculous challenges on the Internet, especially from a crackpot like you?"

    But you are the most intelligent commenter on this site. If you did not like tensor calculus, well, I admit it is rather elementary, over 100 years old, but that was the time of Einstein, then how about something more modern, like Yang-Mills fields:
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.3962.pdf

    One internet bloggist did check that paper and found it quite correct, so you may be very wrong thinking that my Millennium problem solutions are wrong. They are so far not shown wrong. But maybe you are super intelligent in a different way. You do not use your super intelligence on theoretical problems. It shows in some other things, like in your highly creative insults you pour on people. Did I get it right? Is that the main content of your super high intelligence? Inventing insults? But your insults are not that original, I have seen better ones. Even Res and Merculinus invented better insults in one previous thread. You have to catch up.
  • j2 says:
    June 7, 2019 at 6:23 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Okechukwu
    @j2


    These refugees, who are not from African countries, have very much the same experiences in Finland.
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    Gee, I wonder why:

    Racism started to grow after the first Somali refugees arrived in Finland in the 1990s. Finnish skinheads perpetrated attacks against Africans, and especially Joensuu grew to be an infamous center of racism. In Nastola the police had to protect the local immigration detention from the violence of the locals, as they committed shootings, group assault and played racist music.[8] According to a study by Fundamental Rights Agency published in 2018, 63% of Africans in Finland had experienced racist harassment, which had appeared as offensive gestures, comments, threats or violence. This was the highest percentage of any EU member state, much higher than for example in Malta which was only 20%. 14% stated they experienced violence due to their skin colour, which again was the highest in the EU, much higher than in Portugal where only 2% experienced violence.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_Finland#Countries_of_origin

    Is it any wonder that Africans, refugees or not, are struggling in this kind of toxic environment?

    There's a very good reason why you're a failure as a scientist. Someone like Dr. Gates, being a very brilliant man, would know instantly what the problem is. He would also do an actual experiment by comparing and contrasting the experiences of Somali refugees in Finland to those of Somali refugees in America, where the kids are performing so well that some of them have their pick of Ivy League campuses. This is very basic science. But it eludes you, which is why you're rolling around in the mud in a cesspool of pseudoscience like Unz Review, something a real and successful mathematician or physicist would never do.

    Replies: @j2

    “But it eludes you, which is why you’re rolling around in the mud in a cesspool of pseudoscience like Unz Review, something a real and successful mathematician or physicist would never do.”

    I was successful enough before retiring, now I am on pension and finally do what I choose to do or not to do. But what about you, my dear friend, the super bright African genius, yet still without a Nobel Prize, and spending his time hanging here on the Unz Review among old men, as most of the commenters are, and disturb everybody with nonsense comments. Is that the peak of your career? I think you should get a job and do something useful. You better leave this site, it is the best for you and everybody. You are only wasting your precious time here.