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    I am in favour of countries, in the same way that I am in favour of houses having lockable front doors. Countries have good precedents: the first biological cell seen by Robert Hook in 1665 seemed to him like the small cellular rooms monks lived in. The cell is the motor of life, and it...
  • Curiously, the article does not even name Chile, the most developed country in Latin America (Perhaps it is a “paid article” with the aim of praising Uruguay with a poem based on a supposed wealth of GDP Per Capita, now extemporaneous and outdated)

    Chile surpasses Uruguay in almost all development rankings, quality of life, HDI, IDHI, educational (PISA- universities- The Higher and QS), crime indices (Insight Crime), infrastructure, life expectancy, etc. The only thing that Uruguay stands out for is the democracy index. In fact, no one in Latin America emigrates to Uruguay simply because it is not an attractive country for immigrants in any sense. It is not in vain that the countries with the highest percentage of immigrants who “seek to make a living” on the American continent are the US, Chile and Canada. Uruguay has high crime rates for having such a small population (per 100 inhabitants – Insight Crime report 2018, 2019, 2020, 21, 22 and 2023). Chile has the best access and quality of public medical care in all of Latin America, according to the prestigious and specialist medical journal Lancet. And during the global Coronavirus pandemic, Chile was by far the best student of Latin America, congratulated and singled out by all international media, including the WHO. Chile has been leading the Pisa tests in Latin America for almost 12 years in a row, and in the results of the 2022-2023 period, it was no exception. Uruguay does not even have a university within the top 20 in South America (The Higher and QS) Regarding the Human Development Index, in the current UN report for the period 2022-2023, Chile is ranked No. 42 in the world (the best in Latin America). Uruguay is ranked No. 58 in the world. Even in the HDI adjusted for inequality, Chile is above Uruguay. Even more, Chile’s IQ is the highest in all of Latin America according to studies by Richard Lynn and David Becker of the Ulster Institute ((let’s now compare Chile’s success in the Pisa Tests within Latin America; since these tests have been described as IQ tests (Rindermann 2007) because they are not tests of knowledge based on memorization, but rather tests of application of mathematical knowledge, application of language and reading comprehension, and application of science to specific cases)) About GDP Per Capita. According to the latest record of the World Bank, the first three places in Latin America are for Puerto Rico (1st), Panama (2nd) and Chile (3rd) and according to the latest records of the International Monetary Fund in 2023, the three First countries are: Panama (1st), Chile (2nd) and Uruguay (3rd) Even the Chilean national aeronautical industry (ENAER) repairs and reconditions the Uruguayan air force’s planes. A country like Uruguay, immersed in a large water basin, and that does not have the diligence and technical means to provide drinking water to its capital, cannot be considered even among the 5 best countries in South America. (News widely spread in the media in mid-2023)

  • James Thompson says: •ï¿½Website
    @BlackFlag
    @Brian Damage

    Overachievers are resource-rich or banking centers.

    The US is the most interesting outlier cause it's so important and harder to explain. Do you think its boost is derived from being the global hegemon, including having the world's reserve currency, because its smart fraction is larger than would be expected from the mean due to its various ethnicities, significant resources and advantageous geography, or cause it attracts the most skilled migrants?

    Replies: @James Thompson

    Any country founded by the British has a head start.

    (Also, US attracted clever and hard-working immigrants, which gave it a very large smart fraction. Manhattan project a shining example. Werner von Braun a big help to NASA. Bell labs drew in lots of talent. Hollywood also. Sure, having the dollar helped US flourish even more post Bretton Woods).

  • @Brian Damage
    @TelfoedJohn


    Unless they have lots of oil, no country can be economically successful with an IQ below 90
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    Like India, Rwanda seems to have the delusions of grandeur.

    Rwandans are calling Rwanda the Singapore of Africa. Just because you are following Singapore's template doesn't mean you will be like Singapore in the future.

    https://www.warpnews.org/innovation/rwanda-the-singapore-of-africa/

    BTW, Look at the outliers of IQ versus GDP Per capita. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar stood out like sore thumbs.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/IQ_vs_GDP_per_capita.png

    Replies: @BlackFlag

    Overachievers are resource-rich or banking centers.

    The US is the most interesting outlier cause it’s so important and harder to explain. Do you think its boost is derived from being the global hegemon, including having the world’s reserve currency, because its smart fraction is larger than would be expected from the mean due to its various ethnicities, significant resources and advantageous geography, or cause it attracts the most skilled migrants?

    •ï¿½Replies: @James Thompson
    @BlackFlag

    Any country founded by the British has a head start.

    (Also, US attracted clever and hard-working immigrants, which gave it a very large smart fraction. Manhattan project a shining example. Werner von Braun a big help to NASA. Bell labs drew in lots of talent. Hollywood also. Sure, having the dollar helped US flourish even more post Bretton Woods).
  • @Travail ER
    Uruguay might be the most Socialist of the SA countries. Not so much Marxist as anti-corruption and anti-oligarch. High taxes and a huge government bureaucracy that tracks all goods and services down to a fine granular level stifles innovation and discourages entrepreneurship.

    This is my impression after doing much research and spending a few weeks there some years ago. I took a local bus into Montevideo from a close suburb and waved off the small slip of a receipt that the bus driver offered me after paying the inexpensive fare. He insisted that I take it so that he and I could prove the transaction to anyone that may be inspecting or observing. This tracing of all transactions is part and parcel of everyday life and business there.

    It was very clean, orderly and mostly white, unlike some areas of Brazil -- the northern part especially. I didn't see favelas or homeless people. Social services seem to take care of the less fortunate and the people seemed upright, educated, cultured and proud, if a little held down by the insufferable bureaucracy.

    Replies: @BlackFlag

    All these countries in the Southern Cone are obsessed with receipts. Accounting is cheap so everybody has an accountant to hand them to who ensures the books are properly cooked.
    Uruguay imports a lot of the doctrines from the West, e.g. feminism, because they’re considered fashionable. As long as they don’t import the people along with the ideas, they should be ok. But already, you have rising crime and the police are hesitant to do anything about it.

  • @Brian Damage
    @Hacienda


    It is a courageous thing that the Philippines still take these tests. Talk about taking one for the team.
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    I was doing some extrapolation of the numbers for Southeast Asian countries based on the info below.

    Singapore and Hongkong score 556.3, 530.7 respectively. Averaging 543.5
    Indonesia score 382
    Malaysia with 21% of its population are ethnic Chinese similar to Singapore and Hongkong scores 431.

    That means 79% are non-ethnic Chinese.

    If we take the average score for Indonesia of 382 times 79% = 301.78
    The average score of Singapore/HongKong of 544 times 21% = 114.24

    Total them together, it equals a score of 416. Close enough to the reported score of 431. I guess due to more ethnic Chinese taking the PISA tests than local Malays.

    I didn't use the Philippines score because Filipinos are slightly different while Malays and Indonesians are quite similar plus the religion is similar.

    Thailand has up to 14% ethnic Chinese but it is difficult get a more accurate correlation. If we were to use the formula above, the average score based on 86% native and 14% ethnic Chinese, it would average 391 but, a portion of native Thais are mixed with ethnic Chinese. Also the tests are probably done in bigger cities where there are more ethnic Chinese.

    China's score is a bit too high partly because of the test done in big cities where the cream of the crop went to school. I would put it around the Macao score of 542. In between Singapore and HongKong

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/pisa-2018-with-uruguay.png

    Replies: @BlackFlag

    Shouldn’t this be your formula?
    Malaysia PISA: 431
    Chinese component: 0.21 * 543.5 = 114
    Malay component: 431 – 114 = 317
    Malay PISA: 317/0.79 = 401

    So Malay is a bit higher than Indonesia’s 382 which you’d expect given differences in wealth and population clines.

  • @Alrenous
    @res

    Mainly asymptotic.

    At say 50 carbs there was a barely noticeable effect. Hard to see if you're not looking for it.

    At ~15 carbs I found out I used to be addicted to sugar. You know how alcoholics get euphoria when they break their booze addiction? I got a low-intensity version of that. Given fructose stresses the liver, this makes sense to me. After the euphoria my natural mood setpoint was raised, as expected from healthy eating.

    At ~5 I saw noticeable declines in well-being from having a cup of milk. I could distinctly taste the lactose, and while it was a lesser problem than the same dose of sucrose (ruling out lactose intolerance), it was still a problem. Switched to cream.

    At ~4 I noticed that carrots are too starchy and removed them.

    Between 1 and 0 doesn't seem to have much effect, though. Caps out at around 2. "Zero" carb isn't actually zero. (And thank goodness, my kitchen is not a laboratory-standard clean room.)

    After many years of very low carb I have become ever so slightly more tolerant. Found out I like peas. Probably for the vitamin k. I'm still suspicious but it hasn't been an issue so far. Also suspicious about the lactose in my cream, but like I said the benefits finally tapered off so I'm not terribly motivated to fix it, and it would cost a lot of effort.

    By contrast a bolus of white rice will literally get me high. Woozy and stuff. Again, dose-response. More rice, stronger symptoms, linear in this case. Unlikely to be placebo because I wasn't expecting it. I was expecting to feel bad later (or not at all, given it's glucose) not weird immediately. I was expecting insulin stress, not psychoactive compounds. (Don't worry I got the insulin stress too.)

    P.S. I originally decided to try low-carb because I noticed all starches, 'healthy' or not, give me a light burning sensation in the stomach. I consider it my duty to respond to such negative feedback.

    Disclaimer: this is an n=1 experiment. While I'm confident it will work for anyone with an intact metabolism, there are several confounders which could also be the source of the previous issues. Maybe all my local starches are contaminated, that sort of thing. E.g. I baked my own bread from scratch a few times and it had puzzling results.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    Here’s an actual doctor who is functionally replicating my findings. I found the video today. It was posted well after I started my own personal experiment.

    Video Link

    Science: it replicates.

  • @meamjojo
    Thanks for this. Uruguay is one of the countries I am considering relocating to outside the USA at a future time.

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    Prepare to be massively disappointed.

  • @res
    Dr. Thompson, any thoughts on Steve Sailer's post about the Bryan Pesta lawsuit?

    Or about this recent salvo in that ongoing battle?
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/03/new-paper-on-group-differences-in-the-heritability-of-intelligence-a-reply-to-giangrande-and-turkheimer-2022/

    Replies: @James Thompson

    My comment is that Emil does much better work, and is the person to follow for intelligence research.

    Turkheimer has done good work, but is also clear that his political views are more important, and that in his opinion research on race is dangerous and should be avoided.

    Bryan Pesta does good work and has been very badly treated. I hope he wins his case.

  • @c matt

    HDI: human development index, showing the general quality of life per country
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    This seems a rather subjective, and almost unquantifiable index. If I can earn enough to eat and live in Greece and wake up every morning staring at the Mediterranean, how is that a "lower quality of life" than a 9-5 grind in some cookie cutter suburb of Cleveland?

    Honesty: meaning the opposite of corrupt
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    How does the USA not rank at least in the bottom third? Have to question the accuracy of this index.

    Replies: @James Thompson

    Purchasing Power Parity is an attempt to see how far your money really goes in each country, but as to the relative joy of a Greek sunny morning to a cold English evening, these are not financial matters.

    As to corruption, it really does vary. It is important, and if you have a better measure I will move to it.

    Remember, all these things have an error term, but are better than nothing.

  • Dr. Thompson, any thoughts on Steve Sailer’s post about the Bryan Pesta lawsuit?

    Or about this recent salvo in that ongoing battle?
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/03/new-paper-on-group-differences-in-the-heritability-of-intelligence-a-reply-to-giangrande-and-turkheimer-2022/

    •ï¿½Replies: @James Thompson
    @res

    My comment is that Emil does much better work, and is the person to follow for intelligence research.

    Turkheimer has done good work, but is also clear that his political views are more important, and that in his opinion research on race is dangerous and should be avoided.

    Bryan Pesta does good work and has been very badly treated. I hope he wins his case.
  • c matt says:

    HDI: human development index, showing the general quality of life per country

    This seems a rather subjective, and almost unquantifiable index. If I can earn enough to eat and live in Greece and wake up every morning staring at the Mediterranean, how is that a “lower quality of life” than a 9-5 grind in some cookie cutter suburb of Cleveland?

    Honesty: meaning the opposite of corrupt

    How does the USA not rank at least in the bottom third? Have to question the accuracy of this index.

    •ï¿½Replies: @James Thompson
    @c matt

    Purchasing Power Parity is an attempt to see how far your money really goes in each country, but as to the relative joy of a Greek sunny morning to a cold English evening, these are not financial matters.

    As to corruption, it really does vary. It is important, and if you have a better measure I will move to it.

    Remember, all these things have an error term, but are better than nothing.
  • @James Thompson
    @dearieme

    Uruguayans emigrated to Australia, Europe and the USA. At a quickly organised party in London for the President Lacalle Pou, over 300 people attended. All in pretty good jobs, science, university teaching, finance and so on.

    Replies: @c matt

    Same with Argentina – a fair amount of its best and brightest got out of there mainly due to the complete corruption/incompetence of its government.

  • @dearieme
    @James Thompson

    Moray House, perhaps?

    Replies: @James Thompson

    Correct.

  • @Francis Miville
    @Factorize

    People say I am an obscurantist when I speak that way. Hell no. What I am stating is that a population can only afford the college and university system that will undo all the real work the grade schools have managed to achieve. Real evolving geniuses manage to stay in grade school attitude their whole intellectual life long, and avoid any such collegiate subjects as "studies". Real brain-work is even more ungrateful than menial work, to the point that even wood or metal repair work seems leisurely in comparison. Whenever any "intellectual" performance correlates positively with cocaine intake and with the pleasure derived from gay sex (which I am not even condemning per se) it constitutes an avowal that it is a form of play (as is the blatant case with Noah Yuval Hariri) like poker or roulette, not of work.

    Woke indoctrination can happen only when universities have been first converted into counter-schools so to speak, and wokery can be defined as that optimally purports at destroying all what any school of any kind might have achieved to manifest a child's drive towards brain development. Brain is far more like a muscle than you can imagine : it needs gymnastics, not gluttony, no athlete can develop merely by ingesting the right pleasing stuff. As a camper (I love the Baden Powell approach minus the British Imperial sheen) it is not the variety of landscapes that will do you good, it is the kind of difficult terrain you have to adapt your feet to, and then only the feet will lead you to the kind of landscapes in Africa or elsewhere you deserve. Now they all want the landscape without the walking.

    Universities have become unaffordable because they are used and managed as resorts, not schools. Britain (and not only Britain) can be now described as the basket case of an un-developing country, where all that leads to future under-development is rewarded and all that might set it back on the right progressive track is punished.

    It can ba now compared to China during the late Manchu reigns when the chattering classes chattered more loudly than ever in their history as if they were the only really powerful political power on the world map while the anglo (actually Jewish) gunboats already steamed the yang tse upstream to enforce drug consumption. Comparing the woke onslaught onto the Western world to Mao's Great Cultural Revolution is a disgracious comparison for the latter : for China it was a catastrophe numbering in the tens of millions of casualties of course but it rapidly proved to have had the same training effect the American Civil War could have on the general mentality to make it more amenable to industrial development, while after the Great Awokening of America what you will get will be pre-revolutionary China where facts no longer matter, only orthodoxy relatively to a regressive collective mentality.

    The Great Leap Forward was the last great famine of modern China, the conclusion of which being the cultural revolution : Mao due to his ideology would of course applaud the wokesters and their book burnings but while taking care to send them all to do hard labour in many country places needing it to combat famine, while the great awokening does the very reverse : punishing those who who are still so stupid as to work with their hands, while extolling such basket cases as Haiti as models to strive to by imitating the behaviour of their would-be criminal elites. My justified fear is that it could go as far as to the teaching of sorcery and black magic as the new grandest way to make it in life : many former very prosperous states of ancient India died that way before turning back into jungle or desert and being enslaved by the nearest conqueror on the block.

    No matter your ideology what you must do to avoid America centuries of Hunger Games is urgent closing of all universities and also all entertainment media outlets and manufacturing centres, especially Hollywood. All diplomas relating to those institutions should be declared null and void and giving preference to degrees and experience in those domains should be legally sanctioned as discrimination on the basis of irrelevant class signalling knowledge.

    Replies: @Factorize

    Thank you for your reply Francis Miville.

    It is such a pleasure to converse with someone of like mind.
    My strategy of choosing near random interlocutors in the bricks and mortar world has not resulted in many satisfying exchanges. However, opening up the audience to a global online forum has resulted in much better conversations.

    While it does make me somewhat of a bore in conversations to constantly restate some of my core beliefs, it is nonetheless helpful to indicate where my thinking is grounded and perhaps open up a potential path to correcting any of my misconceptions.

    Core Belief #1: Lead explains everything. I am recovering from a previous belief that g explains everything. The last quarter century has witnessed a profound reduction in crime, teenage fertility, high school underachievement, etc. etc.. From my current understanding, lead poisoning caused extreme social dysfunction throughout most of the 20th Century. Lead caused all of it.

    As a consequence of Core Belief #1, the current youth constitute a genius generation. They are committing almost no crime; their fertility rates are plunging etc.. I understand a part of wokism as being related to a higher level of consciousness that they can access due to their reduced level of neuropathology resulting from much lower lead levels. The clinching piece of evidence that changed my perspective from g-centric to lead-centric was the neuroimaging of the prefrontal cortex of those with high early life lead levels. Their prefrontal cortices had stark reductions over large portions of this brain region– this is the area of the brain that controls impulses. One can then easily see that it was not so much a problem of straight cognitive ability that was their central challenge, as it was their inability to maintain impulse control. It wasn’t primarily that many people who made bad life choices could not recognize that they were made bad choices as it was impossible for them to bridge themselves over a moment of rage, etc..

    Core Belief #2: Genetic Singularity is near. We are now at the most exciting moment in the history of our species. We have the power to genetically edit and select our future. The potential of polygenic selection etc. to rapidly evolve our species is of profound importance. The trial run with lead reduction showed us what a world with 95% less crime is like. Many people liked that a lot. Now we can try this again with a genetic uplift. This will be fascinating. Considering that they have now launched ChatGPT 4 and it is already approaching superhuman cognitive ability, it no longer seems that we have a big choice about genetic enhancement: If we do not move soon artificial intelligence might be the only intelligence in the universe that people will have an interest in interacting with. If humans want humans to remain competitive in the intelligence race, then we will need to redesign ourselves.

    Observation #1: Emerging nations (such as China) have exhibited an elegant path to development. This is another central idea that I have returned to ad nauseam on forum, though I think it deserves yet another reiteration. Western nations have struggled at the vanguard of the development frontier since the 18th century to create the modern world. However, without a clear roadmap to the future, it was an exhausting journey. For example, even into the late 19th Century the UK had astonishingly high total fertility rates. This made their transition to modern capitalism very difficult. Indeed this is exactly why Marxism was able to gain a foothold. Yet, those nations such as China observed this unfold for centuries and waited and waited. Once they clearly understood what the formula for development was they were able to flawlessly launch their society into the modern age without most of the misery that the West went through. I am very impressed by how rapidly this transition to modernity can be when done right.

    Part of how I understand wokism relates to the ongoing struggle in the West to move the frontier forward in our modern post-economic reality.

    Given the above, I am actually highly optimistic. We have the tools to genetically re-engineer ourselves and it becomes all the more likely that such genetic enhancement will occur as we continue to witness the collapse of Western civilization. At no time in our history have we had the technological ability to reverse such decay once it had set in. In previous times, centuries of demographic, economic, social … decline could occur before the next up-cycle occurred. Genetic engineering offers the opportunity to reverse such a decline in a single generation. It can only be hoped that parents will offer their children such a bright future (instead of the bleak future that would seem to be our expected fate without such correction).

  • @James Thompson
    @Wizard of Oz

    Will look. Don't know if the Cattell was used much. Mostly the Murray House 11+ tests, I think.

    Replies: @dearieme

    Moray House, perhaps?

    •ï¿½Replies: @James Thompson
    @dearieme

    Correct.
  • @Wizard of Oz
    @James Thompson

    Hi James. In case it is not you removing the "Your comment is awaiting moderation" tag from your old article please have a look at my comments at the end of your 7 Tribes piece from way back. if you had time for nothing more can you give me some idea about the use of the Cattell IQ test for English school children about 1950?

    Replies: @James Thompson

    Will look. Don’t know if the Cattell was used much. Mostly the Murray House 11+ tests, I think.

    •ï¿½Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    •ï¿½Replies: @dearieme
    @James Thompson

    Moray House, perhaps?

    Replies: @James Thompson
  • Having watched the France match on Saturday I suddenly realised that the England rugby team should try to arrange a game against Uruguay. I’m sure they wouldn’t ship 53 points against those gallant lads from the south.

  • @James Thompson
    Thanks. Generally, tap water is trusted, and people drink it. Bottled water is usually preferred at more formal meetings.

    Replies: @Wizard of Oz

    Hi James. In case it is not you removing the “Your comment is awaiting moderation” tag from your old article please have a look at my comments at the end of your 7 Tribes piece from way back. if you had time for nothing more can you give me some idea about the use of the Cattell IQ test for English school children about 1950?

    •ï¿½Replies: @James Thompson
    @Wizard of Oz

    Will look. Don't know if the Cattell was used much. Mostly the Murray House 11+ tests, I think.

    Replies: @dearieme
  • Malla says:
    March 6, 2023 at 8:01 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Alrenous
    @Malla

    Meanwhile, El Salvador just went full Hitler and threw all their gangs into concentration camps. The left are calling it 'inhumane' and all those things so you know they're not messing around. Result: murder dropped off a cliff.

    Notably all crimes are strongly correlated with each other. You can't take one down without taking all the rest down with it.

    Turns out America proper is just too poor and weak to manage to suppress its criminal element. Unlike the central Latins. Everyone know exactly who needs to be locked up (or, for preference, executed) they simply can't figure out how to get it done.

    Replies: @PUTINFAN, @Malla

    El Salvadorans have faced decades of Commie terrorism and gang wars. Populations in these places put self survival over some moral superiority and these populations are more likely to survive in this Darwinian Universe. Many whites in North America and Europe and the Pacific have become eloi and put moral superiority above self interest. Hence nature wants them gone.

  • Thanks. Generally, tap water is trusted, and people drink it. Bottled water is usually preferred at more formal meetings.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @James Thompson

    Hi James. In case it is not you removing the "Your comment is awaiting moderation" tag from your old article please have a look at my comments at the end of your 7 Tribes piece from way back. if you had time for nothing more can you give me some idea about the use of the Cattell IQ test for English school children about 1950?

    Replies: @James Thompson
  • FKA Max says: •ï¿½Website
    March 6, 2023 at 1:55 am GMT •ï¿½400 Words
    @James Thompson
    @FKA Max

    Very interesting resource.

    Replies: @FKA Max

    I just looked up Montevideo’s drinking water quality, since almost 60% of Uruguay’s population lives in the metropolitan region “a population of an estimated 3.4 million, of whom around 2 million live in the metropolitan area of its capital and largest city, Montevideo.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay
    And this is what I found, which could be relevant to this discussion since…

    Tap Water Consumption Is Associated with Schoolchildren’s Cognitive Deficits in Afghanistan

    2022 Jul
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9321136/ or https://archive.ph/QSWxR
    Lower IQ among older children is possibly attributed to chronic stress experienced by adolescents due to living conditions in Afghanistan. While using tap water prevents fecal peril, it may expose children to toxic elements such as lead which is known to lower their intellectual development.

    Water supply and sanitation in Uruguay
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Uruguay
    The total expenditure of OSE between 1990 and 2005 was US$797 million, which is on annual average 0.24% of the Uruguayan GDP or US$15.3 per capita. The annual investment was highest at the end of the 1990s, reaching US$30.8 in 1996 and US$31.2 per capita in 1999. Since 2001, it fell back to only US$5.1 per capita in 2003.

    Pollution in Montevideo, Uruguay
    https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/in/Montevideo or https://archive.ph/nb1X7

    and

    Maintaining Excellent Water Quality in Uruguay
    May 31, 2017
    https://archive.ph/1jUcE

    Uruguay is the only country in Latin America that has access to a safe drinking water supply. As a result, most of the localities receive disinfected water continuously. Water quality in Uruguay is considered to be good, but over the years it has become an issue.
    […]
    Clean water is provided by Obras Sanitarias del Estado (OSE) throughout Uruguay. OSE is also in charge of sanitation, except in the department of Montevideo, where sanitation is provided by the Municipality of Montevideo. About 98 percent of the population has access to drinkable water. However, only 34 percent of the population is connected to the sanitation systems.
    […]
    In the midst of the problem lies Santa Lucia River, watershed and water source for the metropolitan area and Montevideo. The excessive use of fertilizers and pesticides (agrochemicals) have caused pollution in the area. The pollution has also caused eutrophication-induced cyanobacteria.
    […]
    The National Environment Office of the Ministry of Environment, responsible for monitoring the water resources, reported that from 2009 to 2013 the phosphorus level has exceeded the maximum permitted levels. In the watersheds that provide potable water, 25 micrograms per liter is the maximum level allowed. Unfortunately, the phosphorus level in Santa Lucia River Basin has skyrocketed to more than 150 micrograms per liter.

  • @RadicalCenter
    @RoatanBill

    “Stateless life†is utterly impractical, especially for people who have children, are not hermits, and wish to move about the world for education, business, tourism and plain old living.

    Also, Bill, some countries will tax you even if you don’t live a majority of the year there and aren’t a citizen there, if you e.g. spend more time there than any other one country during the year. I think you know this already, just pointing it out for those who don’t. It pays to establish “tax residency†in a place like Georgia, Dubai, or wherever won’t tax any income generated outside their borders. Yes, the government gangs want to know that you’re submitting to being fleeced to some degree by one of their ilk.

    But as you also know, there are lump-sum tax programs for foreigners settling in some countries, e.g. Switzerland and Italy, or the “uk†territories of Jersey and Gibraltar — usually worthwhile for very-high-income people, above my family’s level.

    In many other countries, there are long-term tax incentives to entice foreigners to acquire permanent residence or citizenship and spend some time there each year. This includes countries that otherwise are definitely NOT low-income-tax countries for their own native-born citizens, such as Turkey, Mexico, Colombia, Portugal, and Chile.

    It makes good sense to acquire multiple citizenships and passports, to have options. Where do you have the right to go and live for as long as you want, if your island starts to fall below your standards of day-to-day freedom, safety, civility, stability, affordable food and energy supply, affordable housing, air quality, cultural decency, whatever? (excluding the US, which presumably you agree doesn’t stack up well against dozens of other countries in important respects these days)

    We want our children to have numerous options, which means numerous citizenships and passports, precisely because people running governments are no damn good and they should never have their lives or assets all in one basket. Even two baskets.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Alrenous

    “Stateless life†is utterly impractical, especially for people who have children

    Well, certainly with that attitude it is. Or is this a character thing?

    The Amish have plenty of children last I checked, though.

    It pays to establish “tax residency†in a place like Georgia, Dubai,

    It pays more to stay put and arrange to be a net tax consumer.

    In the modern world at the very least, folk didn’t broadly submit to being taxed, it would be impossible to tax them.

    It is certain that, for example, the Amish consume more in military defence than they pay in taxes. Pacifism gives them superiority over the State. I wouldn’t suggest that in particular, but it clearly works.

  • ariadna says:
    March 5, 2023 at 1:39 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Brewer
    El Pepe is still going at nearly ninety God bless him!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtCPYneggEY&t=54s
    https://www.netflix.com/nz/title/81094074

    Replies: @ariadna

    No, the disgusting, filthy (literally, the sight of his feet make you vomit) old murderer (he did murder an innocent man when he was a tupamaro) is not “still going” although he still has a pulse. No, he never donated his salary to the poor, but to the PARTY! Frente Amplio, that is.

  • James Thompson says: •ï¿½Website
    March 5, 2023 at 1:34 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @res
    @James Thompson

    Thank you for your reply.

    No. Gregory Clark had the same debate about which to use when looking at his surname history data, and in the end decided it didn’t matter! Or that is how we left it a year ago.
    �
    I find that surprising given the magnitude of the differences and how many rp seem to be near noise level. I find it hard to think about this without a scatterplot and regression to get an idea of how systematically they relate. Did Gregory Clark do anything like that as part of his analysis?

    Perhaps I should just suck it up and do the work, but there are other things I really should be working on.

    P.S. It would be interesting to hear some elaboration on what he was doing. I don't see how this UKBB data relates to his wealth correlations.

    Replies: @James Thompson

    He is still working on this. Wealth can be passed on, and this stands out from the general finding, which is that status can only be passed on by the biological parents. Nothing they do in life seems to make any difference, including dying. Dead parents are as powerful a source of status as alive parents. When ranked by genetic distance, distant relatives you have never met (including those who died before you were born) are as influential as your nearby cousin or uncle who might have offered you your first job. Also, the genetic model is a simple additive one. Also, despite some noise, there is no social mobility. None.

    All good stuff.

    •ï¿½Thanks: res
  • ariadna says:
    March 5, 2023 at 1:24 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @William Williams
    @RoatanBill

    I have heard, from more than one norteamericano resident in Uruguay, that while residency is easy enough to get, Uruguayan citizenship is in practice only given to those who are 'deeply integrated' into local life - e.g. married to a local, raising kids, running a genuine business operation which employs locals etc.

    Buying a condo at Punta del Este and living off dividends and/or a pension will likely not be sufficient to get citizenship. Or so I'm told....

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @RoatanBill, @RadicalCenter, @ariadna

    Kids make no difference and marriage to a local either. Proof of having bought property/owning a business is what you need. I know a couple who bought a sliver of land so small that it could barely accommodate a shanty but the mere document showing proof of “property” was enough.
    The advantage of having the Uruguayan citizenship is not that you can vote but that you can travel to more countries than with a US passport and… without embarrassment.

  • ariadna says:
    March 5, 2023 at 1:12 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Z-man
    @Jim H

    Their 'Gold Coast' is very nice. I was at Punta del'Este back in 1991-seems like a lifetime ago...and is.😄 It was as nice as Ft. Lauderdale.
    Devils Point (Punta del Diablo) is rocky and picturesque.
    Yeah, it's practically an extension of Argentina. All the rich Argentines have property there.

    Replies: @ariadna

    All true. Pta del Este was built up with Argentinian money (most of it dinero lavado). It suffered a bit under the insane lockdowns due to Covid hysteria in Argentina when hotel occupancy was way down but now it is roaring again. Pta del Diablo is not what you saw in 1991. Sadly it was built up…

    •ï¿½Thanks: Z-man
  • @RadicalCenter
    @RoatanBill

    “Stateless life†is utterly impractical, especially for people who have children, are not hermits, and wish to move about the world for education, business, tourism and plain old living.

    Also, Bill, some countries will tax you even if you don’t live a majority of the year there and aren’t a citizen there, if you e.g. spend more time there than any other one country during the year. I think you know this already, just pointing it out for those who don’t. It pays to establish “tax residency†in a place like Georgia, Dubai, or wherever won’t tax any income generated outside their borders. Yes, the government gangs want to know that you’re submitting to being fleeced to some degree by one of their ilk.

    But as you also know, there are lump-sum tax programs for foreigners settling in some countries, e.g. Switzerland and Italy, or the “uk†territories of Jersey and Gibraltar — usually worthwhile for very-high-income people, above my family’s level.

    In many other countries, there are long-term tax incentives to entice foreigners to acquire permanent residence or citizenship and spend some time there each year. This includes countries that otherwise are definitely NOT low-income-tax countries for their own native-born citizens, such as Turkey, Mexico, Colombia, Portugal, and Chile.

    It makes good sense to acquire multiple citizenships and passports, to have options. Where do you have the right to go and live for as long as you want, if your island starts to fall below your standards of day-to-day freedom, safety, civility, stability, affordable food and energy supply, affordable housing, air quality, cultural decency, whatever? (excluding the US, which presumably you agree doesn’t stack up well against dozens of other countries in important respects these days)

    We want our children to have numerous options, which means numerous citizenships and passports, precisely because people running governments are no damn good and they should never have their lives or assets all in one basket. Even two baskets.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Alrenous

    I agree completely on your take on stateless existence and indicated as much in my comment.

    To the best of my knowledge, most countries won’t tax on foreign earnings NOW, but that’s likely to change. The US and Eritrea were the only countries to tax their citizens worldwide but that might have changed, I haven’t looked into it. Most people have no foreign earnings, so it’s not a primary issue. I also don’t care much about how the really rich structure their existence in Dubai, Monaco, etc.

    I never mentioned residency. I urge people to gain residency where they intend to reside long term, but not citizenship unless it’s part of a long term residency program. People are paying for ‘golden visa’ programs all over the world for the privilege of becoming tax cattle. I believe it was Doug Casey or possibly Bill Bonner that said a smart person will have citizenship in one place live in a second and bank in a third. That’s good advice.

    Young people are becoming ‘digital nomads’, living a short time in any given location and then moving on. No nation is counting them in their tax base unless they’re a citizen of the US. They’re not even getting residency and as such are the PT types I mentioned. YouTube has loads of videos from these folks.

    As for tax incentives, lots of times it amounts to investing in overpriced real estate or some gov’t boondoggle. The areas where these exceptions can be applied are usually delineated to mulct a high net worth individual that can probably afford it.

    I have the ability to get citizenship in a minimum of two European countries, but I’m in no hurry to pursue it. I have an interest in Portugal and if I decide to relocate there, I probably will use that to cut out all the red tape. To the best of my knowledge, the US frowns on second passports unless you’re part of the (((tribe))). I could be wrong on this, but I think you must give up US citizenship to acquire another.

    I’m a guy that’s been living outside the US going on two decades. You folks have little experience in what it takes to be in another environment so the many positives you hear about sound wonderful. What they fail to reveal are the gotchas. If you plan on moving, pick a spot and seriously investigate the specifics of what it take. And get a move on, since once the SHTF it will be a world wide event and ports of entry will snap shut like a bear trap.

  • @J M
    @ariadna

    Moving from LA or Brooklyn to Texas, Florida or North Dakota wouldn't be a big enough bugger up. He's a Man with a Mission.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Depending on one’s situation — especially how much “location-independent income†you have, i.e. from an online business, remote job, stock or REIT dividends, and interest — it often makes sense to leave the usa entirely.

    Other countries in numerous regions often offer a better quality of life, including excellent medical care, better mass transit, lower rates of murder or rape, better roads and infrastructure, better investment returns, etc. ….. all at a lower financial cost for expats with proper tax planning, with a less perverse, vulgar, angry, anti-white, anti-family culture than the USA (yes, very much including overrated overpriced semi-free TX and FL, and to a lesser extent the Dakotas).

    As Andrew Henderson of Nomad Capitalist fame says, “if you’re gonna move, you might as well MOVE.â€

    That’s not to say that a move within the US can’t have benefits in terms of cost of living, local culture, friendliness, and safety. We may move the family from California to Texas for starters. But we understand why some Americans just keep on going, right past FL and TX, out of this dying arrogant and aggressive country. As we may do someday as well.

  • @William Williams
    @RoatanBill

    I have heard, from more than one norteamericano resident in Uruguay, that while residency is easy enough to get, Uruguayan citizenship is in practice only given to those who are 'deeply integrated' into local life - e.g. married to a local, raising kids, running a genuine business operation which employs locals etc.

    Buying a condo at Punta del Este and living off dividends and/or a pension will likely not be sufficient to get citizenship. Or so I'm told....

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @RoatanBill, @RadicalCenter, @ariadna

    By the way, Uruguay offers a faster path to citizenship for married couples: we can apply after only three years as permanent residents, instead of five years for single people.

  • @RoatanBill
    @William Williams

    Citizenship is the official ownership classification that the gov't owns you as their property. It is the primary mechanism that allows gov't to tax you and in general determine the course of your life via the arbitrary 'laws' their political class invents out of nothing. It's what gives gov't the right to force you into their military to potentially die for their mafia and many of the mental slaves actually volunteer to murder people in foreign lands and destroy their infrastructure when those foreigners have done nothing to deserve it. Citizenship promotes gov't worship and criminality; it induces a Stockholm Syndrome mentality in people to actually side with their criminal mafia.

    If it's not the citizenship you were born into, then it's one you sought, essentially asking to be the gov'ts slave. The passport that comes along with that citizenship is the gov'ts permission to temporarily leave or enter their open air prison and is respected by other govt's as in honor among thieves. Placing some difficulties in the pursuit of any mafia's citizenship somehow makes it more attractive to the mental slaves that seek it. In most cases, it allows those mental midgets to vote for their masters periodically.

    Why anyone would want citizenship anywhere eludes me. From my perspective, the best approach is to be a PT, a Perpetual Tourist, a Previous Taxpayer, that no country owns, to be a free man, not gov't property. Sadly, the various mafias of the world have rigged the game to make this near impossible to obtain unless one wants to spend their lives as a stateless person that every gov't hates for defying their rules.

    BTW - I'm an expat on the island of Roatan, Honduras. I have no connection to or interest in Uruguay.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    “Stateless life†is utterly impractical, especially for people who have children, are not hermits, and wish to move about the world for education, business, tourism and plain old living.

    Also, Bill, some countries will tax you even if you don’t live a majority of the year there and aren’t a citizen there, if you e.g. spend more time there than any other one country during the year. I think you know this already, just pointing it out for those who don’t. It pays to establish “tax residency†in a place like Georgia, Dubai, or wherever won’t tax any income generated outside their borders. Yes, the government gangs want to know that you’re submitting to being fleeced to some degree by one of their ilk.

    But as you also know, there are lump-sum tax programs for foreigners settling in some countries, e.g. Switzerland and Italy, or the “uk†territories of Jersey and Gibraltar — usually worthwhile for very-high-income people, above my family’s level.

    In many other countries, there are long-term tax incentives to entice foreigners to acquire permanent residence or citizenship and spend some time there each year. This includes countries that otherwise are definitely NOT low-income-tax countries for their own native-born citizens, such as Turkey, Mexico, Colombia, Portugal, and Chile.

    It makes good sense to acquire multiple citizenships and passports, to have options. Where do you have the right to go and live for as long as you want, if your island starts to fall below your standards of day-to-day freedom, safety, civility, stability, affordable food and energy supply, affordable housing, air quality, cultural decency, whatever? (excluding the US, which presumably you agree doesn’t stack up well against dozens of other countries in important respects these days)

    We want our children to have numerous options, which means numerous citizenships and passports, precisely because people running governments are no damn good and they should never have their lives or assets all in one basket. Even two baskets.

    •ï¿½Replies: @RoatanBill
    @RadicalCenter

    I agree completely on your take on stateless existence and indicated as much in my comment.

    To the best of my knowledge, most countries won't tax on foreign earnings NOW, but that's likely to change. The US and Eritrea were the only countries to tax their citizens worldwide but that might have changed, I haven't looked into it. Most people have no foreign earnings, so it's not a primary issue. I also don't care much about how the really rich structure their existence in Dubai, Monaco, etc.

    I never mentioned residency. I urge people to gain residency where they intend to reside long term, but not citizenship unless it's part of a long term residency program. People are paying for 'golden visa' programs all over the world for the privilege of becoming tax cattle. I believe it was Doug Casey or possibly Bill Bonner that said a smart person will have citizenship in one place live in a second and bank in a third. That's good advice.

    Young people are becoming 'digital nomads', living a short time in any given location and then moving on. No nation is counting them in their tax base unless they're a citizen of the US. They're not even getting residency and as such are the PT types I mentioned. YouTube has loads of videos from these folks.

    As for tax incentives, lots of times it amounts to investing in overpriced real estate or some gov't boondoggle. The areas where these exceptions can be applied are usually delineated to mulct a high net worth individual that can probably afford it.

    I have the ability to get citizenship in a minimum of two European countries, but I'm in no hurry to pursue it. I have an interest in Portugal and if I decide to relocate there, I probably will use that to cut out all the red tape. To the best of my knowledge, the US frowns on second passports unless you're part of the (((tribe))). I could be wrong on this, but I think you must give up US citizenship to acquire another.

    I'm a guy that's been living outside the US going on two decades. You folks have little experience in what it takes to be in another environment so the many positives you hear about sound wonderful. What they fail to reveal are the gotchas. If you plan on moving, pick a spot and seriously investigate the specifics of what it take. And get a move on, since once the SHTF it will be a world wide event and ports of entry will snap shut like a bear trap.
    , @Alrenous
    @RadicalCenter


    “Stateless life†is utterly impractical, especially for people who have children
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    Well, certainly with that attitude it is. Or is this a character thing?

    The Amish have plenty of children last I checked, though.

    It pays to establish “tax residency†in a place like Georgia, Dubai,
    �
    It pays more to stay put and arrange to be a net tax consumer.

    In the modern world at the very least, folk didn't broadly submit to being taxed, it would be impossible to tax them.

    It is certain that, for example, the Amish consume more in military defence than they pay in taxes. Pacifism gives them superiority over the State. I wouldn't suggest that in particular, but it clearly works.
  • @PUTINFAN
    @Alrenous

    President Bukele has a 75% approval rating, 2nd highest in LATAM after Rodrigo Chávez in my Costa Rica who has 80%.

    Guess who opposes Bukele G. SOROS and AMNESTY INT. Who woulda thought????

    THE people approve, the PSYCHOS oppose.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    THE people approve, the PSYCHOS oppose.

    See also: all the most popular movies on Rotten Tomatoes.

  • Alrenous says: •ï¿½Website
    March 4, 2023 at 7:50 pm GMT •ï¿½400 Words
    @res
    @Alrenous


    I also got a nice dose-response curve where getting closer to zero increased the benefits.
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    Could you please elaborate on this? Say 100 is your original level of carbs and 0 is the obvious none, what did the dose response curve look like? In particular, was it nonlinear? If so with what behavior?

    Thank you.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    Mainly asymptotic.

    At say 50 carbs there was a barely noticeable effect. Hard to see if you’re not looking for it.

    At ~15 carbs I found out I used to be addicted to sugar. You know how alcoholics get euphoria when they break their booze addiction? I got a low-intensity version of that. Given fructose stresses the liver, this makes sense to me. After the euphoria my natural mood setpoint was raised, as expected from healthy eating.

    At ~5 I saw noticeable declines in well-being from having a cup of milk. I could distinctly taste the lactose, and while it was a lesser problem than the same dose of sucrose (ruling out lactose intolerance), it was still a problem. Switched to cream.

    At ~4 I noticed that carrots are too starchy and removed them.

    Between 1 and 0 doesn’t seem to have much effect, though. Caps out at around 2. “Zero” carb isn’t actually zero. (And thank goodness, my kitchen is not a laboratory-standard clean room.)

    After many years of very low carb I have become ever so slightly more tolerant. Found out I like peas. Probably for the vitamin k. I’m still suspicious but it hasn’t been an issue so far. Also suspicious about the lactose in my cream, but like I said the benefits finally tapered off so I’m not terribly motivated to fix it, and it would cost a lot of effort.

    By contrast a bolus of white rice will literally get me high. Woozy and stuff. Again, dose-response. More rice, stronger symptoms, linear in this case. Unlikely to be placebo because I wasn’t expecting it. I was expecting to feel bad later (or not at all, given it’s glucose) not weird immediately. I was expecting insulin stress, not psychoactive compounds. (Don’t worry I got the insulin stress too.)

    P.S. I originally decided to try low-carb because I noticed all starches, ‘healthy’ or not, give me a light burning sensation in the stomach. I consider it my duty to respond to such negative feedback.

    Disclaimer: this is an n=1 experiment. While I’m confident it will work for anyone with an intact metabolism, there are several confounders which could also be the source of the previous issues. Maybe all my local starches are contaminated, that sort of thing. E.g. I baked my own bread from scratch a few times and it had puzzling results.

    •ï¿½Thanks: res
    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @Alrenous

    Here's an actual doctor who is functionally replicating my findings. I found the video today. It was posted well after I started my own personal experiment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPyFIvCvh8U

    Science: it replicates.
  • res says:
    March 4, 2023 at 6:31 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @James Thompson
    @res

    The (magnitude of) rg/rp discrepancies really bother me. Does anyone have any ideas for the causes?

    No. Gregory Clark had the same debate about which to use when looking at his surname history data, and in the end decided it didn't matter! Or that is how we left it a year ago.

    So, no idea.

    Replies: @res

    Thank you for your reply.

    No. Gregory Clark had the same debate about which to use when looking at his surname history data, and in the end decided it didn’t matter! Or that is how we left it a year ago.

    I find that surprising given the magnitude of the differences and how many rp seem to be near noise level. I find it hard to think about this without a scatterplot and regression to get an idea of how systematically they relate. Did Gregory Clark do anything like that as part of his analysis?

    Perhaps I should just suck it up and do the work, but there are other things I really should be working on.

    P.S. It would be interesting to hear some elaboration on what he was doing. I don’t see how this UKBB data relates to his wealth correlations.

    •ï¿½Replies: @James Thompson
    @res

    He is still working on this. Wealth can be passed on, and this stands out from the general finding, which is that status can only be passed on by the biological parents. Nothing they do in life seems to make any difference, including dying. Dead parents are as powerful a source of status as alive parents. When ranked by genetic distance, distant relatives you have never met (including those who died before you were born) are as influential as your nearby cousin or uncle who might have offered you your first job. Also, the genetic model is a simple additive one. Also, despite some noise, there is no social mobility. None.

    All good stuff.
  • @Alrenous
    @Malla

    Meanwhile, El Salvador just went full Hitler and threw all their gangs into concentration camps. The left are calling it 'inhumane' and all those things so you know they're not messing around. Result: murder dropped off a cliff.

    Notably all crimes are strongly correlated with each other. You can't take one down without taking all the rest down with it.

    Turns out America proper is just too poor and weak to manage to suppress its criminal element. Unlike the central Latins. Everyone know exactly who needs to be locked up (or, for preference, executed) they simply can't figure out how to get it done.

    Replies: @PUTINFAN, @Malla

    President Bukele has a 75% approval rating, 2nd highest in LATAM after Rodrigo Chávez in my Costa Rica who has 80%.

    Guess who opposes Bukele G. SOROS and AMNESTY INT. Who woulda thought????

    THE people approve, the PSYCHOS oppose.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @PUTINFAN


    THE people approve, the PSYCHOS oppose.
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    See also: all the most popular movies on Rotten Tomatoes.
  • res says:
    March 4, 2023 at 6:17 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Alrenous
    @CSFurious

    I went zero carb and it made me smarter.

    Not to mention the benefits in strength, endurance, and lucidity. I also got a nice dose-response curve where getting closer to zero increased the benefits.

    Are seeds bird food?
    There are no drawbacks, unless you count the fact rice is dirt cheap and real food isn't.

    Replies: @res

    I also got a nice dose-response curve where getting closer to zero increased the benefits.

    Could you please elaborate on this? Say 100 is your original level of carbs and 0 is the obvious none, what did the dose response curve look like? In particular, was it nonlinear? If so with what behavior?

    Thank you.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @res

    Mainly asymptotic.

    At say 50 carbs there was a barely noticeable effect. Hard to see if you're not looking for it.

    At ~15 carbs I found out I used to be addicted to sugar. You know how alcoholics get euphoria when they break their booze addiction? I got a low-intensity version of that. Given fructose stresses the liver, this makes sense to me. After the euphoria my natural mood setpoint was raised, as expected from healthy eating.

    At ~5 I saw noticeable declines in well-being from having a cup of milk. I could distinctly taste the lactose, and while it was a lesser problem than the same dose of sucrose (ruling out lactose intolerance), it was still a problem. Switched to cream.

    At ~4 I noticed that carrots are too starchy and removed them.

    Between 1 and 0 doesn't seem to have much effect, though. Caps out at around 2. "Zero" carb isn't actually zero. (And thank goodness, my kitchen is not a laboratory-standard clean room.)

    After many years of very low carb I have become ever so slightly more tolerant. Found out I like peas. Probably for the vitamin k. I'm still suspicious but it hasn't been an issue so far. Also suspicious about the lactose in my cream, but like I said the benefits finally tapered off so I'm not terribly motivated to fix it, and it would cost a lot of effort.

    By contrast a bolus of white rice will literally get me high. Woozy and stuff. Again, dose-response. More rice, stronger symptoms, linear in this case. Unlikely to be placebo because I wasn't expecting it. I was expecting to feel bad later (or not at all, given it's glucose) not weird immediately. I was expecting insulin stress, not psychoactive compounds. (Don't worry I got the insulin stress too.)

    P.S. I originally decided to try low-carb because I noticed all starches, 'healthy' or not, give me a light burning sensation in the stomach. I consider it my duty to respond to such negative feedback.

    Disclaimer: this is an n=1 experiment. While I'm confident it will work for anyone with an intact metabolism, there are several confounders which could also be the source of the previous issues. Maybe all my local starches are contaminated, that sort of thing. E.g. I baked my own bread from scratch a few times and it had puzzling results.

    Replies: @Alrenous
  • PUTINFAN says:
    March 4, 2023 at 6:09 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words

    It needs to be clear that I am not a Marxist and support I show here for far left govts that oppose the USA is for that reason. THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.

    Now let us get into some detail about the supposed “far left, Marxist government” of Nicaragua, where I have spent about a year of my life.

    O’Biden, O’Clinton and O’Bush hate Nicaragua. Why? The leaders of NIC think and are correct that those people are PSYCHO KILLERS. THE color revolution unleashed against those kind people by USA psychopaths a few years back killed about 600 people. Based on population that would be 25,000 in the USA. Then include the 100,000 killed there 1978 to 1990 in a civil war.

    1. NIC has no transgenderism, no hospital in the country will do these operations.
    2. NIC has no gay marriage.
    3. NIC has no legal abortion.
    4. THE leaders there do not discuss or espouse climate change.
    5. Voting is only in person with PHOTO ID.
    6. THERE were no COVID vaccine mandates and no mask rules. The leaders there did not believe COVID was real
    7. NIC has little or no business regulación, free enterprise is the Rule.

    Nicaragua restricts oposición press. Who doesn’t???

    SOUNDS like one of freeest countries in the world to me.
    VENEZUELA is almost exactly the same except they don’t heavily censor opposition press. So VEN is WOKE communist?????

    •ï¿½Thanks: RadicalCenter
  • @Anon
    @Brian Damage

    "if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter."

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the "latinx."

    * https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/uruguay

    Replies: @Brian Damage, @Cortes, @James Thompson

    Assume you mean IQ 94. PISA estimations are 88, but we don’t have good data, although I am looking for some.

  • @FKA Max
    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Uruguay-data-image.png

    Interestingly enough, the urbanization rate for Uruguay (96%), Argentina (92%) and Brazil (87%) is on average appreciably higher (~92% vs. ~80%) than for the UK (84%), the USA (83%), Spain (81%) and Italy (71%), despite having a significantly lower average population density (~21 vs. ~153 per square kilometer).

    Source: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS

    Could (extreme) urbanization over a certain threshold (>90% of population), potentially cause (perhaps due to higher air, light and noise pollution, etc.) lower educational attainment and/or wealth for a country?

    Also FYI,
    https://archive.is/a4dFt/f9177c7fc2187160c0422c68ee3cae93156bcb84.jpg

    The Guarani Aquifer in South America is a huge underground reservoir that lies under Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil, covering an area of land the size of Texas and California combined.

    The aquifer contains enough fresh water to sustain the world’s population for 200 years, and as water shortages affect us all in the future, the Guarani Aquifer could be a lifeline for millions.
    [...]
    (George W Bush owns a huge ranch on the aquifer which some activists are interpreting as an American neo-imperialist threat to South America’s sovereignty).
    [...]
    the James Bond movie, The Quantum of Solace, despite being set in Bolivia, is allegedly based on the Guarani Aquifer.
    �
    - https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2010/04/13/the-guarani-aquifer-a-little-known-water-resource-in-south-america-gets-a-voice/ or https://archive.is/a4dFt

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @James Thompson

    Very interesting resource.

    •ï¿½Replies: @FKA Max
    @James Thompson

    I just looked up Montevideo's drinking water quality, since almost 60% of Uruguay's population lives in the metropolitan region "a population of an estimated 3.4 million, of whom around 2 million live in the metropolitan area of its capital and largest city, Montevideo." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay
    And this is what I found, which could be relevant to this discussion since...

    Tap Water Consumption Is Associated with Schoolchildren’s Cognitive Deficits in Afghanistan

    2022 Jul
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9321136/ or https://archive.ph/QSWxR
    Lower IQ among older children is possibly attributed to chronic stress experienced by adolescents due to living conditions in Afghanistan. While using tap water prevents fecal peril, it may expose children to toxic elements such as lead which is known to lower their intellectual development.

    Water supply and sanitation in Uruguay
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Uruguay
    The total expenditure of OSE between 1990 and 2005 was US$797 million, which is on annual average 0.24% of the Uruguayan GDP or US$15.3 per capita. The annual investment was highest at the end of the 1990s, reaching US$30.8 in 1996 and US$31.2 per capita in 1999. Since 2001, it fell back to only US$5.1 per capita in 2003.

    Pollution in Montevideo, Uruguay
    https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/in/Montevideo or https://archive.ph/nb1X7

    and

    Maintaining Excellent Water Quality in Uruguay
    May 31, 2017
    https://archive.ph/1jUcE

    Uruguay is the only country in Latin America that has access to a safe drinking water supply. As a result, most of the localities receive disinfected water continuously. Water quality in Uruguay is considered to be good, but over the years it has become an issue.
    [...]
    Clean water is provided by Obras Sanitarias del Estado (OSE) throughout Uruguay. OSE is also in charge of sanitation, except in the department of Montevideo, where sanitation is provided by the Municipality of Montevideo. About 98 percent of the population has access to drinkable water. However, only 34 percent of the population is connected to the sanitation systems.
    [...]
    In the midst of the problem lies Santa Lucia River, watershed and water source for the metropolitan area and Montevideo. The excessive use of fertilizers and pesticides (agrochemicals) have caused pollution in the area. The pollution has also caused eutrophication-induced cyanobacteria.
    [...]
    The National Environment Office of the Ministry of Environment, responsible for monitoring the water resources, reported that from 2009 to 2013 the phosphorus level has exceeded the maximum permitted levels. In the watersheds that provide potable water, 25 micrograms per liter is the maximum level allowed. Unfortunately, the phosphorus level in Santa Lucia River Basin has skyrocketed to more than 150 micrograms per liter.
    �
  • James Thompson says: •ï¿½Website
    March 4, 2023 at 5:20 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @res
    @Factorize

    Thanks! That is very interesting. It includes both genetic (rg) and phenotypic (rp) correlations as well as the p value for rg.

    The link you gave is actually number of questions attempted. Here is the Fluid intelligence score link.
    https://ukbb-rg.hail.is/rg_summary_20016.html

    The volcano plot is much more useful if you make good use of the plot features. In particular isolating categories, hover info boxes, and zoom.

    One correlation which looked very interesting to me is

    ID Phenotype rg p rp
    20491 Someone to take to doctor when needed as a child 0.58 1.0e-23 0.14

    Seems reasonable because of the link to parental IQ (presumably), but seems odd to me that rg is so high with minimal rp. Thoughts? That seems to be a general trend (see below).

    Your cheese observation is interesting. Here is the full line.
    1408 Cheese intake 0.53 4.5e-112 0.14
    Also striking is how much lower that correlation is for number of questions attempted (which correlates 0.824 with score)
    1408 Cheese intake 0.28 4.2e-15 0.05

    Some others which struck me.
    110001 Invitation to complete online 24-hour recall dietary questionnaire, acceptance 0.68 4.2e-80 0.14
    20077 Number of diet questionnaires completed 0.66 3.7e-58 0.17
    100017 Magnesium 0.43 1.8e-13 0.07
    738 Average total household income before tax 0.63 9.4e-251 0.25
    816 Job involves heavy manual or physical work -0.82 9.7e-252 -0.29

    The (magnitude of) rg/rp discrepancies really bother me. Does anyone have any ideas for the causes?

    I wish they allowed sorting by columns. A scatter/regression plot of rg and rp would also be interesting (especially since it would include a plot by rp).

    Or just let us download the data easily and make our own plots ; )

    P.S. I went looking for data.

    This page is a great overview of the genetic correlations.
    http://www.nealelab.is/blog/2019/10/10/genetic-correlation-results-for-heritable-phenotypes-in-the-uk-biobank

    The rg page appears to have the data in a 1 GB zip file.
    https://ukbb-rg.hail.is/
    I downloaded and a quick look shows more work than I want right now. The phenotype correlation file by itself is 3GB.

    The rg browser allows specifying Fluid intelligence score as phenotype 1 then sorting by rg (but no rp in the data).
    https://ukbb-rg.hail.is/rg_browser/

    I was not able to find a browser for rp.

    The correlation PCA is interesting, but I am not sure how to interpret. Try looking at just cognitive function variables and observe the fairly strong linear trends of the plots. Then contrast with the touchscreen variables.
    https://ukbb-rg.hail.is/pca_of_rg.html

    Replies: @James Thompson

    The (magnitude of) rg/rp discrepancies really bother me. Does anyone have any ideas for the causes?

    No. Gregory Clark had the same debate about which to use when looking at his surname history data, and in the end decided it didn’t matter! Or that is how we left it a year ago.

    So, no idea.

    •ï¿½Replies: @res
    @James Thompson

    Thank you for your reply.

    No. Gregory Clark had the same debate about which to use when looking at his surname history data, and in the end decided it didn’t matter! Or that is how we left it a year ago.
    �
    I find that surprising given the magnitude of the differences and how many rp seem to be near noise level. I find it hard to think about this without a scatterplot and regression to get an idea of how systematically they relate. Did Gregory Clark do anything like that as part of his analysis?

    Perhaps I should just suck it up and do the work, but there are other things I really should be working on.

    P.S. It would be interesting to hear some elaboration on what he was doing. I don't see how this UKBB data relates to his wealth correlations.

    Replies: @James Thompson
  • @William Williams
    @RoatanBill

    I have heard, from more than one norteamericano resident in Uruguay, that while residency is easy enough to get, Uruguayan citizenship is in practice only given to those who are 'deeply integrated' into local life - e.g. married to a local, raising kids, running a genuine business operation which employs locals etc.

    Buying a condo at Punta del Este and living off dividends and/or a pension will likely not be sufficient to get citizenship. Or so I'm told....

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @RoatanBill, @RadicalCenter, @ariadna
  • @William Williams
    @RoatanBill

    I have heard, from more than one norteamericano resident in Uruguay, that while residency is easy enough to get, Uruguayan citizenship is in practice only given to those who are 'deeply integrated' into local life - e.g. married to a local, raising kids, running a genuine business operation which employs locals etc.

    Buying a condo at Punta del Este and living off dividends and/or a pension will likely not be sufficient to get citizenship. Or so I'm told....

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @RoatanBill, @RadicalCenter, @ariadna

    Citizenship is the official ownership classification that the gov’t owns you as their property. It is the primary mechanism that allows gov’t to tax you and in general determine the course of your life via the arbitrary ‘laws’ their political class invents out of nothing. It’s what gives gov’t the right to force you into their military to potentially die for their mafia and many of the mental slaves actually volunteer to murder people in foreign lands and destroy their infrastructure when those foreigners have done nothing to deserve it. Citizenship promotes gov’t worship and criminality; it induces a Stockholm Syndrome mentality in people to actually side with their criminal mafia.

    If it’s not the citizenship you were born into, then it’s one you sought, essentially asking to be the gov’ts slave. The passport that comes along with that citizenship is the gov’ts permission to temporarily leave or enter their open air prison and is respected by other govt’s as in honor among thieves. Placing some difficulties in the pursuit of any mafia’s citizenship somehow makes it more attractive to the mental slaves that seek it. In most cases, it allows those mental midgets to vote for their masters periodically.

    Why anyone would want citizenship anywhere eludes me. From my perspective, the best approach is to be a PT, a Perpetual Tourist, a Previous Taxpayer, that no country owns, to be a free man, not gov’t property. Sadly, the various mafias of the world have rigged the game to make this near impossible to obtain unless one wants to spend their lives as a stateless person that every gov’t hates for defying their rules.

    BTW – I’m an expat on the island of Roatan, Honduras. I have no connection to or interest in Uruguay.

    •ï¿½Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @RoatanBill

    “Stateless life†is utterly impractical, especially for people who have children, are not hermits, and wish to move about the world for education, business, tourism and plain old living.

    Also, Bill, some countries will tax you even if you don’t live a majority of the year there and aren’t a citizen there, if you e.g. spend more time there than any other one country during the year. I think you know this already, just pointing it out for those who don’t. It pays to establish “tax residency†in a place like Georgia, Dubai, or wherever won’t tax any income generated outside their borders. Yes, the government gangs want to know that you’re submitting to being fleeced to some degree by one of their ilk.

    But as you also know, there are lump-sum tax programs for foreigners settling in some countries, e.g. Switzerland and Italy, or the “uk†territories of Jersey and Gibraltar — usually worthwhile for very-high-income people, above my family’s level.

    In many other countries, there are long-term tax incentives to entice foreigners to acquire permanent residence or citizenship and spend some time there each year. This includes countries that otherwise are definitely NOT low-income-tax countries for their own native-born citizens, such as Turkey, Mexico, Colombia, Portugal, and Chile.

    It makes good sense to acquire multiple citizenships and passports, to have options. Where do you have the right to go and live for as long as you want, if your island starts to fall below your standards of day-to-day freedom, safety, civility, stability, affordable food and energy supply, affordable housing, air quality, cultural decency, whatever? (excluding the US, which presumably you agree doesn’t stack up well against dozens of other countries in important respects these days)

    We want our children to have numerous options, which means numerous citizenships and passports, precisely because people running governments are no damn good and they should never have their lives or assets all in one basket. Even two baskets.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Alrenous
  • @QCIC
    @Brian Damage

    There are several things tangled together in my question (nature/nurture/quality of nurture/etc) and this is probably not the best way to sort them out. It was just a thought.

    The idea is how does one evaluate test results with a large enough sample set to decide what educational approach works best as opposed to what we suppose works best? I am happy enough to favor my own ideas on education, but I don't claim to have proof they are best. By "best" I mean maximizes the ability of the students to think well.

    I imagine there are a lot of 'modern' people who believe the PISA test actually does this in the first place, since these folks may believe all students are equal and interchangeable and therefore the PISA test results only reflect nurture.

    If the PISA test is not comprehensive, substitute whatever test seems appropriate. Compare the final test results with the early IQ test results, not to see how well they correlate, rather to see how well they do not correlate. This is about evaluating the education systems, not the students. Of course the data on education systems may be too noisy to give any ranking.

    The easiest way to do this is to apply different education systems to similar groups of students (same IQ distribution). The goal of the question is to recover the same information from existing data without having to do a simple but practically impossible comparison test.

    Replies: @Brian Damage

    IMHO, the PISA test is just like any other objective tests. At least it is not a test based on subjective qualifications. 1+1=2. Totally unqualified therefore the measurement is more reliable and not subjected to biases and cultural differences. You need that to make semiconductors, jet engines or any other tangible products. Not opinions and “points of views” which belong in the realm of art.

    The easiest way to do this is to apply different education systems to similar groups of students (same IQ distribution).

    Just use the ethnic Han Chinese people as as example. They are well distributed all across the world. A sizeable amount of them are in Southeast Asia. Each Southeast Asian country has its own educational system. A small amount are in North America, going through its educational system. From expensive private schools to ghetto public schools. The Chinese students in Hong Kong, China and Taiwan. All very different educational system. Hong Kong is based on the British system, Taiwan has a system that pre-dated the current PRC’s system. China has its own post-communist system.

    All performed similarly despite being in a different country, different educational system, different culture, different language abilities..

  • Uruguay might be the most Socialist of the SA countries. Not so much Marxist as anti-corruption and anti-oligarch. High taxes and a huge government bureaucracy that tracks all goods and services down to a fine granular level stifles innovation and discourages entrepreneurship.

    This is my impression after doing much research and spending a few weeks there some years ago. I took a local bus into Montevideo from a close suburb and waved off the small slip of a receipt that the bus driver offered me after paying the inexpensive fare. He insisted that I take it so that he and I could prove the transaction to anyone that may be inspecting or observing. This tracing of all transactions is part and parcel of everyday life and business there.

    It was very clean, orderly and mostly white, unlike some areas of Brazil — the northern part especially. I didn’t see favelas or homeless people. Social services seem to take care of the less fortunate and the people seemed upright, educated, cultured and proud, if a little held down by the insufferable bureaucracy.

    •ï¿½Agree: ariadna
    •ï¿½Replies: @BlackFlag
    @Travail ER

    All these countries in the Southern Cone are obsessed with receipts. Accounting is cheap so everybody has an accountant to hand them to who ensures the books are properly cooked.
    Uruguay imports a lot of the doctrines from the West, e.g. feminism, because they're considered fashionable. As long as they don't import the people along with the ideas, they should be ok. But already, you have rising crime and the police are hesitant to do anything about it.
  • @James Thompson
    @Levtraro

    Yes, could have added other countries, but my justification was given at the start, 2 countries as neighbours, two countries of origin, and two wealth countries. Simplification. Next time, back to all the countries for which we have data.

    Replies: @Levtraro

    Next time, back to all the countries for which we have data.

    Looking forward to it.

  • Malla says:
    March 4, 2023 at 5:44 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Anon
    @Alrenous

    There was a study by university of Berne ( Switzerland ) before US out of hubris arrogance and massive bribery - induced pressure , attacked Somalia in 2006 directly and indirectly through proxies ( Ethiopia and Kenya ) showing Somali without a functioning government was doing better than Kenya and Ethiopia .

    After that invasions many problems started erupting including piracy . Taking advantage of the confusion and total breakdown of coastal security , Nordic countries started dumping radioactive waste off coast of Somalia while Japan and other countries started sending trawlers for illegal commercial fishing .Soon the livelihood of the local fisheries were gone .
    This gave rise to piracy .

    Somalia was no paradise but it was not killing each other and was not foraying into neighboring countries and neither was engaging into piracy .
    Nobody even heard of Somalia trying to escape Somalia .

    The revenge of Somalia will visit its nemesis one day . That’s justice .

    Replies: @Malla

    This is pure B.S., the USA attacked Somalia through proxies?? How do you buffons make up B.S. shit like this? When Ethiopia fought Somalia, Ethiopia was a SOVIET SATELITE state and Somalia was a Communist country too. It was Somalia which attacked Ethiopia.
    Somalia’s problems started during Communist times when COMMUNIST SOMALIA run by the Supreme Revolutionary Council’s Revolutionary Army went to war with COMMUNIST DERGIST ETHIOPIA (or Communist Somalia invaded Communist Ethiopia because of some ethnic Somali region) Executions and rape of civilians and refugees by Ethiopian, Somali and Cuban troops were prevalent throughout the war.

    Video LinkOgaden War

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxqRtmAJcMI

    Video LinkCaptured Cuban POW near Harar during the Somalia-Ethiopia War 1977

  • QCIC says:
    March 4, 2023 at 5:33 am GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Brian Damage
    @QCIC


    I am assuming PISA scores are somewhat influenced by education, while early IQ scores less so and therefore represent more the intrinsic capability of the kids. So how much boost from age 5 to 17 can be attributed to the general quality of the education system? To be clear this is not an actual boost in IQ, I am assuming it is an improvement in thinking skills.

    As examples, I can imagine that a really good education system might give PISA scores correlating to IQ of 105 for a population which has an early measured IQ of 100.

    On the other hand, a poor system such as the contemporary American public school education, might take a group with IQ around 100 and lead them to PISA test at an IQ equivalent of around 95.

    I understand this question should include all the great many valid caveats which go with the territory.
    �
    As an IQ "enthusiast" No. Pisa scores are about science and math. While "education" may have some effect on the scores, given the sample size, it got drowned out by the number of testers. At the end of the day, IQ is still the determinant of the scores. The scatter plot I posted earlier shows that there is a powerful correlation between IQ and PISA scores.

    Your thesis may be relevant to those outliers but not the norm.

    Replies: @QCIC

    There are several things tangled together in my question (nature/nurture/quality of nurture/etc) and this is probably not the best way to sort them out. It was just a thought.

    The idea is how does one evaluate test results with a large enough sample set to decide what educational approach works best as opposed to what we suppose works best? I am happy enough to favor my own ideas on education, but I don’t claim to have proof they are best. By “best” I mean maximizes the ability of the students to think well.

    I imagine there are a lot of ‘modern’ people who believe the PISA test actually does this in the first place, since these folks may believe all students are equal and interchangeable and therefore the PISA test results only reflect nurture.

    If the PISA test is not comprehensive, substitute whatever test seems appropriate. Compare the final test results with the early IQ test results, not to see how well they correlate, rather to see how well they do not correlate. This is about evaluating the education systems, not the students. Of course the data on education systems may be too noisy to give any ranking.

    The easiest way to do this is to apply different education systems to similar groups of students (same IQ distribution). The goal of the question is to recover the same information from existing data without having to do a simple but practically impossible comparison test.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Brian Damage
    @QCIC

    IMHO, the PISA test is just like any other objective tests. At least it is not a test based on subjective qualifications. 1+1=2. Totally unqualified therefore the measurement is more reliable and not subjected to biases and cultural differences. You need that to make semiconductors, jet engines or any other tangible products. Not opinions and "points of views" which belong in the realm of art.


    The easiest way to do this is to apply different education systems to similar groups of students (same IQ distribution).
    �
    Just use the ethnic Han Chinese people as as example. They are well distributed all across the world. A sizeable amount of them are in Southeast Asia. Each Southeast Asian country has its own educational system. A small amount are in North America, going through its educational system. From expensive private schools to ghetto public schools. The Chinese students in Hong Kong, China and Taiwan. All very different educational system. Hong Kong is based on the British system, Taiwan has a system that pre-dated the current PRC's system. China has its own post-communist system.

    All performed similarly despite being in a different country, different educational system, different culture, different language abilities..
  • Malla says:
    March 4, 2023 at 5:18 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @mulga mumblebrain
    @Malla

    Punka walla lie like pig in shit.

    Replies: @Malla

    Interesting that a guy who screams and screeches about racism, eagerly uses racist terms. Typical typical racists. Like those anti-fa commies guys who attacked a bunch of proud boys Hispanics calling them “beaners”. Classic lefard scums.
    https://www.latinpost.com/articles/71424/20150812/maria-gabriela-chávez-net-worth-hugo-chávezs-daughter-richest-woman-in-venezuela-worth-4-2-billion.htm
    Maria Gabriela Chávez Net Worth: Hugo Chávez’s Daughter Richest Woman in Venezuela, Worth $4.2 Billion

    https://www.peacefmonline.com/pages/foreign/news/201902/374417.php
    Rich Kids Of Venezuela: Hugo Chavez’s Daughter Flaunts Wealth

    Video Link
    Fat Maduro hogs on expensive beef dishes served by this weirdo Turkish celebrity chef Nusret Gökçe at the famous Nusr-Et steakhouse while his nation starves. Even marxist news outlet Guardian had to admit this sad fact.

    Typical typical Commie elites, loot out wealth created by the hardwork of others. Destroyed the Middle Class while enriching oneself.

  • Uruguay is self-sufficient in food. And studies of the effects of nuclear winter show that the Southern Hemisphere would not be as greatly affected as the Northern. On the other hand, with the breakdown of society Uruguay would be easy pickings for starving Brazilians or Argentinians. Chile might be a better bet, being protected from invasion by mountains and desert.

  • Malla says:
    March 4, 2023 at 5:09 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @mulga mumblebrain
    @Malla

    Indians make such perfect Uncle Toms. It's the 'Aryan' delusion I suppose.

    Replies: @Malla

    Indians make such perfect Uncle Toms.

    No they don’t. Just because one does not agree with Chinese cunning tactics or Marxist bullshit, does not an uncle Tom make. India is one of the most revolutioanry nation on Earth who in one go gave a middle finger to both the West and China. Childish tricks like calling Indians “Uncle Tom” for not kowtowing to China’s demands will have zero effect. We suggest, you stop wasting your time with such rubbish.

    It’s the ‘Aryan’ delusion I suppose.

    That was 4000 years ago and it is not a delusion.

  • @meamjojo
    Thanks for this. Uruguay is one of the countries I am considering relocating to outside the USA at a future time.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Jefferson Temple, @Z-man, @ariadna, @anon, @Anon, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Scythian

    You mean right before the time you and your ilk have left the USA in a smoking, nuclear ruin? Doesn’t surprise me in the least. Although I heard most of the Davos types are considering New Zealand.

  • @Vergissmeinnicht
    Privatise Education!
    Plus: eliminate all the requirements that force parents to educate their children at all.

    That'd be one step ahead in the right direction, towards FREEDOM!
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    Uruguay is more White than Argentina – but, on the other hand, more Black…
    Uruguay would profit so much from a 'Eugenics Programme'…

    Replies: @bike-anarkist, @Brian Damage, @Stripes Duncan

    Private school isn’t the panacea that people think it is, especially if you’re in a blue state.

    Because the state certifies teachers, both public and private. Private school teachers have to go to the same continuing education classes as public school teachers. They attend the same seminars. And in my experience private school teachers seem to have a chip on their shoulders and crave the acceptance of public school educators.

    I used to send my kids to Catholic school. In any blue area, your Catholic schools will be crammed to the brim with the children of well-to-do leftist hypocrites who lack the courage to send their children to the public schools to get the full measure of diverse, bilingual LGBT instruction that they vote for other children to receive. But then they roll up their sleeves and agitate for as much of that shit to be introduced in the Catholic schools as possible.

    I’ve seen protests of the firing of gay teachers in Catholic schools get organized and run out of other Catholic schools. I’ve seen parents send their kids to Catholic schools in “Love Wins” rainbow t-shirts and the administration barely contain its glee. I’ve seen the youth minister of a Catholic school proudly tweet, to paraphrase: “we, the laity, need to send a message to the Archbishop and the Pope that we won’t tolerate this discrimination” like he was a modern-day Martin Luther and the PTA of the school clap like fat, dumb seals. None of these people are Catholic, they just wrap themselves in the pelt of that organization, seizing its legitimacy to hide their hypocrisy. They want the whole menu of the modern zeitgeist, just without the hoi polloi.

    I homeschool now.

    •ï¿½Agree: c matt
    •ï¿½Thanks: RadicalCenter
  • @ariadna
    @meamjojo

    Please don't. Based on your comments in UR you need not apply.

    Replies: @meamjojo, @J M

    Moving from LA or Brooklyn to Texas, Florida or North Dakota wouldn’t be a big enough bugger up. He’s a Man with a Mission.

    •ï¿½Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @J M

    Depending on one’s situation — especially how much “location-independent income†you have, i.e. from an online business, remote job, stock or REIT dividends, and interest — it often makes sense to leave the usa entirely.

    Other countries in numerous regions often offer a better quality of life, including excellent medical care, better mass transit, lower rates of murder or rape, better roads and infrastructure, better investment returns, etc. ….. all at a lower financial cost for expats with proper tax planning, with a less perverse, vulgar, angry, anti-white, anti-family culture than the USA (yes, very much including overrated overpriced semi-free TX and FL, and to a lesser extent the Dakotas).

    As Andrew Henderson of Nomad Capitalist fame says, “if you’re gonna move, you might as well MOVE.â€

    That’s not to say that a move within the US can’t have benefits in terms of cost of living, local culture, friendliness, and safety. We may move the family from California to Texas for starters. But we understand why some Americans just keep on going, right past FL and TX, out of this dying arrogant and aggressive country. As we may do someday as well.
  • @dearieme
    By Saxon times most arable land in England was spoken for

    Could be true of the Neolithic and almost certainly true of the Bronze Age. There are Bronze Age field boundaries still identifiable on Dartmoor. Probably people were ploughing on Dartmoor then. Why? Population pressure perhaps. Or maybe because part of the BA was a warm, dry spell and Dartmoor would presumably still get decent amounts of rain. But I digress.

    Uruguay: how very tempting. We could take an equity release mortgage, invest in property, and then spend the British winter in Uruguay every year. Would I find their summer too hot though?
    Alas we're too old to make much contribution to educating Uruguayan kiddywinks which would clearly be a noble task.

    Based on the strengths and weaknesses of my own Secondary education I recommend to the good people of Uruguay: (i) Do not pay teachers on a uniform scale: if there is a shortage of, say, physics teachers then pay physics teachers more. (ii) Do stream the schools: nobody will gain educationally by having the bright sparks and the knuckledraggers in the same class. (iii) The school sports for the boys should be rugby, football, and cricket. (Somehow I didn't see cricket on your list of educational suggestions. Tut, tut.) For the girls: dunno, I plead ignorance.

    P.S. Your map shows the Aussies and Kiwis to be rich. Should well educated Uruguayans emigrate there?

    (NZ puzzles me a little: when we lived there it didn't feel rich. A very agreeable First World country of course but not conspicuously rich. Maybe North Island is different. Or maybe wealth figures are dominated by house prices and maybe they've shot up since our day.)

    Replies: @James Thompson, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    The beaches on the southern coast are filthy from the mouth stream of Rio De La Plata.

  • @QCIC
    @Brian Damage

    Thanks. I think this PISA-IQ correlation has been chewed over at Unz, my question was taking that for granted. I agree the outliers might hold a partial answer to my question, which is almost about the deviations from the basic correlation.

    I am assuming PISA scores are somewhat influenced by education, while early IQ scores less so and therefore represent more the intrinsic capability of the kids. So how much boost from age 5 to 17 can be attributed to the general quality of the education system? To be clear this is not an actual boost in IQ, I am assuming it is an improvement in thinking skills.

    As examples, I can imagine that a really good education system might give PISA scores correlating to IQ of 105 for a population which has an early measured IQ of 100.

    On the other hand, a poor system such as the contemporary American public school education, might take a group with IQ around 100 and lead them to PISA test at an IQ equivalent of around 95.

    I understand this question should include all the great many valid caveats which go with the territory.

    Replies: @Brian Damage

    I am assuming PISA scores are somewhat influenced by education, while early IQ scores less so and therefore represent more the intrinsic capability of the kids. So how much boost from age 5 to 17 can be attributed to the general quality of the education system? To be clear this is not an actual boost in IQ, I am assuming it is an improvement in thinking skills.

    As examples, I can imagine that a really good education system might give PISA scores correlating to IQ of 105 for a population which has an early measured IQ of 100.

    On the other hand, a poor system such as the contemporary American public school education, might take a group with IQ around 100 and lead them to PISA test at an IQ equivalent of around 95.

    I understand this question should include all the great many valid caveats which go with the territory.

    As an IQ “enthusiast” No. Pisa scores are about science and math. While “education” may have some effect on the scores, given the sample size, it got drowned out by the number of testers. At the end of the day, IQ is still the determinant of the scores. The scatter plot I posted earlier shows that there is a powerful correlation between IQ and PISA scores.

    Your thesis may be relevant to those outliers but not the norm.

    •ï¿½Replies: @QCIC
    @Brian Damage

    There are several things tangled together in my question (nature/nurture/quality of nurture/etc) and this is probably not the best way to sort them out. It was just a thought.

    The idea is how does one evaluate test results with a large enough sample set to decide what educational approach works best as opposed to what we suppose works best? I am happy enough to favor my own ideas on education, but I don't claim to have proof they are best. By "best" I mean maximizes the ability of the students to think well.

    I imagine there are a lot of 'modern' people who believe the PISA test actually does this in the first place, since these folks may believe all students are equal and interchangeable and therefore the PISA test results only reflect nurture.

    If the PISA test is not comprehensive, substitute whatever test seems appropriate. Compare the final test results with the early IQ test results, not to see how well they correlate, rather to see how well they do not correlate. This is about evaluating the education systems, not the students. Of course the data on education systems may be too noisy to give any ranking.

    The easiest way to do this is to apply different education systems to similar groups of students (same IQ distribution). The goal of the question is to recover the same information from existing data without having to do a simple but practically impossible comparison test.

    Replies: @Brian Damage
  • @RoatanBill
    The stranger laying siege to your castle is always from the gov't (taxes, rules, permits, etc) or is as a result of gov't action (allowing invasion from the south) or inaction (protecting criminals from swift retribution).

    Shallow thinking article.

    Replies: @William Williams

    I have heard, from more than one norteamericano resident in Uruguay, that while residency is easy enough to get, Uruguayan citizenship is in practice only given to those who are ‘deeply integrated’ into local life – e.g. married to a local, raising kids, running a genuine business operation which employs locals etc.

    Buying a condo at Punta del Este and living off dividends and/or a pension will likely not be sufficient to get citizenship. Or so I’m told….

    •ï¿½Replies: @RoatanBill
    @William Williams

    Citizenship is the official ownership classification that the gov't owns you as their property. It is the primary mechanism that allows gov't to tax you and in general determine the course of your life via the arbitrary 'laws' their political class invents out of nothing. It's what gives gov't the right to force you into their military to potentially die for their mafia and many of the mental slaves actually volunteer to murder people in foreign lands and destroy their infrastructure when those foreigners have done nothing to deserve it. Citizenship promotes gov't worship and criminality; it induces a Stockholm Syndrome mentality in people to actually side with their criminal mafia.

    If it's not the citizenship you were born into, then it's one you sought, essentially asking to be the gov'ts slave. The passport that comes along with that citizenship is the gov'ts permission to temporarily leave or enter their open air prison and is respected by other govt's as in honor among thieves. Placing some difficulties in the pursuit of any mafia's citizenship somehow makes it more attractive to the mental slaves that seek it. In most cases, it allows those mental midgets to vote for their masters periodically.

    Why anyone would want citizenship anywhere eludes me. From my perspective, the best approach is to be a PT, a Perpetual Tourist, a Previous Taxpayer, that no country owns, to be a free man, not gov't property. Sadly, the various mafias of the world have rigged the game to make this near impossible to obtain unless one wants to spend their lives as a stateless person that every gov't hates for defying their rules.

    BTW - I'm an expat on the island of Roatan, Honduras. I have no connection to or interest in Uruguay.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @RoatanBill
    @William Williams

    I would suggest the following:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/03/gary-d-barnett/the-state-is-always-and-forever-the-enemy-of-the-people/
    , @RadicalCenter
    @William Williams

    By the way, Uruguay offers a faster path to citizenship for married couples: we can apply after only three years as permanent residents, instead of five years for single people.
    , @ariadna
    @William Williams

    Kids make no difference and marriage to a local either. Proof of having bought property/owning a business is what you need. I know a couple who bought a sliver of land so small that it could barely accommodate a shanty but the mere document showing proof of "property" was enough.
    The advantage of having the Uruguayan citizenship is not that you can vote but that you can travel to more countries than with a US passport and... without embarrassment.
  • QCIC says:
    March 4, 2023 at 2:11 am GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Brian Damage
    @QCIC


    I eventually recognized the Venezuelan people are fighting against outside powers who controlled key aspects of the country for a very long time. Chavez (who I used to completely discount) took power away from foreign and oligarchical powers. Unfortunately in the process, much of the “smart fraction†of the country was driven out. Since then, Socialists are trying to make Venezuela into a ‘worker’s paradise’, but it seems this will not happen since they have not empowered enough bright people to participate. Not to mention their economic ideas are probably ridiculous. In the process they have also accelerated dysgenic population patterns.

    I suspect if the Socialists lost power and the non-oligarchical parts of the smart fraction diaspora returned, Venezuela could become prosperous again.
    �
    The pro-US Oligarchs never developed Venezuela. It was an oil economy that's about it. When the oil price crashed at the end of 1998 to historic lows. As low as the low of 1946, the economy crashed. Hugo Chavez came into power and kicked out all those corrupt politicians and the oil oligarchs.

    US with lots of petroleum interests in Venezuela began to put horrific sanctions on the country. Chaves was painted by Western media as a tyrant, and authoritarian, a communist, causing hardships to the people of Venezuela.

    Nicolas Maduro, successor of Chavez, not really a capable President, was put under extreme pressure by the US and had to perform. The economy was in taters and the 2019 election saw Maduro won again but under suspect circumstances as only 25% of the opposition voters came to vote while pro-Maduro voters were at 46%. US claimed the election was a sham and recognized opposition leader Juan Guido as the defacto leader of Venezuela. Venezuelan gold stored in UK was even confiscated by the British government.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This seems accurate, but I think there is more to it. The West did invest in Venezuela, building advanced dams and hydroelectric projects, aluminum smelters and major factories. However, I assume the terms were similar to what John Perkins “The Economic Hitman” describes, that is they left control of the economy in foreign hands.

    I guess my point is that Venezuela probably had enough of a smart fraction to be a viable stand alone economy but this was lost and may not be replaceable. It is an interesting case study. People like to blame Chavez for the whole mess, but there is more to it.

    After the collapse, US oil companies craftily set things up so that Venezuela required American oil to dilute and produce their own heavy crude. This keeps the oil revenue intrinsically low until the Venezuelan government can be driven out and a more compliant one reinstalled. It is known how to process the oil and avoid this step, but no Western company will implement this since they do not want to risk having expensive plants nationalized.

    I think the West may have overestimated how much “sun people” care about prosperity above a minimum level–they don’t seem to care very much!

    Guaido is another episode which undermines the credibility of the USA.

    •ï¿½Agree: Brian Damage
  • @Factorize
    @Francis Miville

    Thank you for replying, Francis Miville. That was an especially insightful comment.

    Your idea about how various forms of intellectual engagement including TV, newspapers, and even some journals and books can be a very shallow experience resonated deeply with me. I now realize that these experiences were not the way to unlock my human potential. The variables provided on the url involving deep engagement with ideas showed time and time again strong positive correlations with higher fluid intelligence. As you mentioned, books continue to offer one of the deepest engagements of all the forms invented by humans.

    Surprisingly, in the online courses that I have taken there have been many complaints from the students that there are not more videos to watch, so that they would not have to study their textbooks as much: They want university to be more like kindergarten? As you noted, deliberately seeking out experiences that develop deep literacy skills is a great way to increase intelligence.

    In fact, if we wanted to engineer a Renaissance in our own time that would be my goto choice on how to achieve it. The problem is that people almost always will reject this suggestion. They do not seem to recognize that if your brain hurts then you are probably on the right track not the wrong track. So we wind up on the wrong track and public discourse devolves into non-rational discussions that move us ever further away from the needed preconditions for an intellectual awakening. Of course, new technologies are always arising that promise a short-cut -- an easy way that avoid hard brain work to become more intelligent and inevitably it is more about entertainment than actual enlightenment.

    When I look at the correlation matrix provided on the url, there seem to be at least 3 strong factors (clearly, one would expect one of these to be none other than g which is probably in the top left hand corner). It would be great to see the factor analysis for this dataset.

    Replies: @Francis Miville

    People say I am an obscurantist when I speak that way. Hell no. What I am stating is that a population can only afford the college and university system that will undo all the real work the grade schools have managed to achieve. Real evolving geniuses manage to stay in grade school attitude their whole intellectual life long, and avoid any such collegiate subjects as “studies”. Real brain-work is even more ungrateful than menial work, to the point that even wood or metal repair work seems leisurely in comparison. Whenever any “intellectual” performance correlates positively with cocaine intake and with the pleasure derived from gay sex (which I am not even condemning per se) it constitutes an avowal that it is a form of play (as is the blatant case with Noah Yuval Hariri) like poker or roulette, not of work.

    Woke indoctrination can happen only when universities have been first converted into counter-schools so to speak, and wokery can be defined as that optimally purports at destroying all what any school of any kind might have achieved to manifest a child’s drive towards brain development. Brain is far more like a muscle than you can imagine : it needs gymnastics, not gluttony, no athlete can develop merely by ingesting the right pleasing stuff. As a camper (I love the Baden Powell approach minus the British Imperial sheen) it is not the variety of landscapes that will do you good, it is the kind of difficult terrain you have to adapt your feet to, and then only the feet will lead you to the kind of landscapes in Africa or elsewhere you deserve. Now they all want the landscape without the walking.

    Universities have become unaffordable because they are used and managed as resorts, not schools. Britain (and not only Britain) can be now described as the basket case of an un-developing country, where all that leads to future under-development is rewarded and all that might set it back on the right progressive track is punished.

    It can ba now compared to China during the late Manchu reigns when the chattering classes chattered more loudly than ever in their history as if they were the only really powerful political power on the world map while the anglo (actually Jewish) gunboats already steamed the yang tse upstream to enforce drug consumption. Comparing the woke onslaught onto the Western world to Mao’s Great Cultural Revolution is a disgracious comparison for the latter : for China it was a catastrophe numbering in the tens of millions of casualties of course but it rapidly proved to have had the same training effect the American Civil War could have on the general mentality to make it more amenable to industrial development, while after the Great Awokening of America what you will get will be pre-revolutionary China where facts no longer matter, only orthodoxy relatively to a regressive collective mentality.

    The Great Leap Forward was the last great famine of modern China, the conclusion of which being the cultural revolution : Mao due to his ideology would of course applaud the wokesters and their book burnings but while taking care to send them all to do hard labour in many country places needing it to combat famine, while the great awokening does the very reverse : punishing those who who are still so stupid as to work with their hands, while extolling such basket cases as Haiti as models to strive to by imitating the behaviour of their would-be criminal elites. My justified fear is that it could go as far as to the teaching of sorcery and black magic as the new grandest way to make it in life : many former very prosperous states of ancient India died that way before turning back into jungle or desert and being enslaved by the nearest conqueror on the block.

    No matter your ideology what you must do to avoid America centuries of Hunger Games is urgent closing of all universities and also all entertainment media outlets and manufacturing centres, especially Hollywood. All diplomas relating to those institutions should be declared null and void and giving preference to degrees and experience in those domains should be legally sanctioned as discrimination on the basis of irrelevant class signalling knowledge.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Factorize
    @Francis Miville

    Thank you for your reply Francis Miville.

    It is such a pleasure to converse with someone of like mind.
    My strategy of choosing near random interlocutors in the bricks and mortar world has not resulted in many satisfying exchanges. However, opening up the audience to a global online forum has resulted in much better conversations.

    While it does make me somewhat of a bore in conversations to constantly restate some of my core beliefs, it is nonetheless helpful to indicate where my thinking is grounded and perhaps open up a potential path to correcting any of my misconceptions.

    Core Belief #1: Lead explains everything. I am recovering from a previous belief that g explains everything. The last quarter century has witnessed a profound reduction in crime, teenage fertility, high school underachievement, etc. etc.. From my current understanding, lead poisoning caused extreme social dysfunction throughout most of the 20th Century. Lead caused all of it.

    As a consequence of Core Belief #1, the current youth constitute a genius generation. They are committing almost no crime; their fertility rates are plunging etc.. I understand a part of wokism as being related to a higher level of consciousness that they can access due to their reduced level of neuropathology resulting from much lower lead levels. The clinching piece of evidence that changed my perspective from g-centric to lead-centric was the neuroimaging of the prefrontal cortex of those with high early life lead levels. Their prefrontal cortices had stark reductions over large portions of this brain region-- this is the area of the brain that controls impulses. One can then easily see that it was not so much a problem of straight cognitive ability that was their central challenge, as it was their inability to maintain impulse control. It wasn't primarily that many people who made bad life choices could not recognize that they were made bad choices as it was impossible for them to bridge themselves over a moment of rage, etc..

    Core Belief #2: Genetic Singularity is near. We are now at the most exciting moment in the history of our species. We have the power to genetically edit and select our future. The potential of polygenic selection etc. to rapidly evolve our species is of profound importance. The trial run with lead reduction showed us what a world with 95% less crime is like. Many people liked that a lot. Now we can try this again with a genetic uplift. This will be fascinating. Considering that they have now launched ChatGPT 4 and it is already approaching superhuman cognitive ability, it no longer seems that we have a big choice about genetic enhancement: If we do not move soon artificial intelligence might be the only intelligence in the universe that people will have an interest in interacting with. If humans want humans to remain competitive in the intelligence race, then we will need to redesign ourselves.

    Observation #1: Emerging nations (such as China) have exhibited an elegant path to development. This is another central idea that I have returned to ad nauseam on forum, though I think it deserves yet another reiteration. Western nations have struggled at the vanguard of the development frontier since the 18th century to create the modern world. However, without a clear roadmap to the future, it was an exhausting journey. For example, even into the late 19th Century the UK had astonishingly high total fertility rates. This made their transition to modern capitalism very difficult. Indeed this is exactly why Marxism was able to gain a foothold. Yet, those nations such as China observed this unfold for centuries and waited and waited. Once they clearly understood what the formula for development was they were able to flawlessly launch their society into the modern age without most of the misery that the West went through. I am very impressed by how rapidly this transition to modernity can be when done right.

    Part of how I understand wokism relates to the ongoing struggle in the West to move the frontier forward in our modern post-economic reality.


    Given the above, I am actually highly optimistic. We have the tools to genetically re-engineer ourselves and it becomes all the more likely that such genetic enhancement will occur as we continue to witness the collapse of Western civilization. At no time in our history have we had the technological ability to reverse such decay once it had set in. In previous times, centuries of demographic, economic, social ... decline could occur before the next up-cycle occurred. Genetic engineering offers the opportunity to reverse such a decline in a single generation. It can only be hoped that parents will offer their children such a bright future (instead of the bleak future that would seem to be our expected fate without such correction).
  • Cortes says:
    March 4, 2023 at 2:00 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Anon
    @Brian Damage

    "if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter."

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the "latinx."

    * https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/uruguay

    Replies: @Brian Damage, @Cortes, @James Thompson

    “
    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the “latinx.â€â€

    The only place I have felt really unsafe in Latin America was in Montevideo. Straying one block off of the main drag had my nerves on end. The following morning, taking photos in the main square, 0800 or thereabouts, I was targeted by the deranged nutcase from Central Casting and headed for the haven of the closest hotel lobby. The doorman ushered me inside and boy, was I grateful.

    I’ve walked around several cities and towns in different Latin American countries including Mexico City, Buenos Aires, Panama City and Santiago (Chile) without the “vibes†I picked up in Montevideo. It struck me as a nuttier version of Glasgow, where I’m from…

    The notion of picking up a cheapo 7 bedroom flat with enormous suntrap terrace? I’ll pass.

  • QCIC says:
    March 4, 2023 at 1:43 am GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Brian Damage
    @dearieme


    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate … how many dumb clucks they hide from the gullible foreigners.
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    The chart below shows a strong correlation between IQ and PISA test scores. The outliers maybe due to better/worse educational system/facilities. Or, the locations where the tests were taken. Overall, it correlates very well.


    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jelte-Wicherts/publication/254896769/figure/fig2/AS:655133998342145@1533207525118/Cross-national-correlation-between-IQ-and-PISA2003-g-adapted-from-Nyborg-2005.png

    Replies: @QCIC

    Thanks. I think this PISA-IQ correlation has been chewed over at Unz, my question was taking that for granted. I agree the outliers might hold a partial answer to my question, which is almost about the deviations from the basic correlation.

    I am assuming PISA scores are somewhat influenced by education, while early IQ scores less so and therefore represent more the intrinsic capability of the kids. So how much boost from age 5 to 17 can be attributed to the general quality of the education system? To be clear this is not an actual boost in IQ, I am assuming it is an improvement in thinking skills.

    As examples, I can imagine that a really good education system might give PISA scores correlating to IQ of 105 for a population which has an early measured IQ of 100.

    On the other hand, a poor system such as the contemporary American public school education, might take a group with IQ around 100 and lead them to PISA test at an IQ equivalent of around 95.

    I understand this question should include all the great many valid caveats which go with the territory.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Brian Damage
    @QCIC


    I am assuming PISA scores are somewhat influenced by education, while early IQ scores less so and therefore represent more the intrinsic capability of the kids. So how much boost from age 5 to 17 can be attributed to the general quality of the education system? To be clear this is not an actual boost in IQ, I am assuming it is an improvement in thinking skills.

    As examples, I can imagine that a really good education system might give PISA scores correlating to IQ of 105 for a population which has an early measured IQ of 100.

    On the other hand, a poor system such as the contemporary American public school education, might take a group with IQ around 100 and lead them to PISA test at an IQ equivalent of around 95.

    I understand this question should include all the great many valid caveats which go with the territory.
    �
    As an IQ "enthusiast" No. Pisa scores are about science and math. While "education" may have some effect on the scores, given the sample size, it got drowned out by the number of testers. At the end of the day, IQ is still the determinant of the scores. The scatter plot I posted earlier shows that there is a powerful correlation between IQ and PISA scores.

    Your thesis may be relevant to those outliers but not the norm.

    Replies: @QCIC
  • @dearieme
    @QCIC

    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate
    ... how many dumb clucks they hide from the gullible foreigners.

    Replies: @Brian Damage, @QCIC

    I suppose one would needs to take this into account! Thanks.

  • @Anon
    @Brian Damage

    "if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter."

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the "latinx."

    * https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/uruguay

    Replies: @Brian Damage, @Cortes, @James Thompson

    “if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter.â€

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the “latinx.â€

    I was not talking about Uruguay. Uruguay’s IQ at 96 is as expected. Its development is as expected.

  • Anon[929] •ï¿½Disclaimer says:
    March 4, 2023 at 1:01 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Brian Damage
    @Vergissmeinnicht


    Privatise Education!
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    Depending on where you live. In "better areas", public schools are better. Kids from Private Schools in those areas do not do as good as those who went to Public Schools in "Good Universities".

    "Better areas" probably meant kids with higher IQ. So it is not about Private versus Public schools. It is about IQ. You can have all the private schools you want but if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn't matter.

    Replies: @Anon

    “if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter.”

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the “latinx.”

    * https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/uruguay

    •ï¿½Replies: @Brian Damage
    @Anon


    “if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter.â€

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the “latinx.â€
    �
    I was not talking about Uruguay. Uruguay's IQ at 96 is as expected. Its development is as expected.
    , @Cortes
    @Anon

    “
    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the “latinx.â€â€

    The only place I have felt really unsafe in Latin America was in Montevideo. Straying one block off of the main drag had my nerves on end. The following morning, taking photos in the main square, 0800 or thereabouts, I was targeted by the deranged nutcase from Central Casting and headed for the haven of the closest hotel lobby. The doorman ushered me inside and boy, was I grateful.

    I’ve walked around several cities and towns in different Latin American countries including Mexico City, Buenos Aires, Panama City and Santiago (Chile) without the “vibes†I picked up in Montevideo. It struck me as a nuttier version of Glasgow, where I’m from...

    The notion of picking up a cheapo 7 bedroom flat with enormous suntrap terrace? I’ll pass.
    , @James Thompson
    @Anon

    Assume you mean IQ 94. PISA estimations are 88, but we don't have good data, although I am looking for some.
  • Alrenous says: •ï¿½Website
    @bike-anarkist
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    I would say that if the European/North American culture had not been taken in by the lure of Mammon Worship, and could also tell the truth as a good habit then public Education is a workable practice.

    Otherwise, your preaching Libretardarianism.
    However, for forcing kids to go to public school... I would agree.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    Public education is a euphemism for Communist education.

    Fichte made the Prussian system that American imported. William Torrey Harris was education minister for America.

    Private prisons are still prisons. America treats its children like serious criminals, who committed the crimes of being born and being young.

  • El Pepe is still going at nearly ninety God bless him!

    Video Link
    https://www.netflix.com/nz/title/81094074

    •ï¿½Replies: @ariadna
    @Brewer

    No, the disgusting, filthy (literally, the sight of his feet make you vomit) old murderer (he did murder an innocent man when he was a tupamaro) is not "still going" although he still has a pulse. No, he never donated his salary to the poor, but to the PARTY! Frente Amplio, that is.
  • @Vergissmeinnicht
    Privatise Education!
    Plus: eliminate all the requirements that force parents to educate their children at all.

    That'd be one step ahead in the right direction, towards FREEDOM!
    .
    .
    .

    Uruguay is more White than Argentina – but, on the other hand, more Black…
    Uruguay would profit so much from a 'Eugenics Programme'…

    Replies: @bike-anarkist, @Brian Damage, @Stripes Duncan

    Privatise Education!

    Depending on where you live. In “better areas”, public schools are better. Kids from Private Schools in those areas do not do as good as those who went to Public Schools in “Good Universities”.

    “Better areas” probably meant kids with higher IQ. So it is not about Private versus Public schools. It is about IQ. You can have all the private schools you want but if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Anon
    @Brian Damage

    "if your students are low on the IQ side, it doesn’t matter."

    Agreed.

    According to Lynn and Vanhanen, Uruguay has an average IQ of 96, about that of Slovakia. *

    I live in Montevideo (Uruguay capital) and business and government competence is about on the Mississippi level. Minus the blacks. But plus the "latinx."

    * https://brainstats.com/en/average-iq/uruguay

    Replies: @Brian Damage, @Cortes, @James Thompson
  • @Vergissmeinnicht
    Privatise Education!
    Plus: eliminate all the requirements that force parents to educate their children at all.

    That'd be one step ahead in the right direction, towards FREEDOM!
    .
    .
    .

    Uruguay is more White than Argentina – but, on the other hand, more Black…
    Uruguay would profit so much from a 'Eugenics Programme'…

    Replies: @bike-anarkist, @Brian Damage, @Stripes Duncan

    I would say that if the European/North American culture had not been taken in by the lure of Mammon Worship, and could also tell the truth as a good habit then public Education is a workable practice.

    Otherwise, your preaching Libretardarianism.
    However, for forcing kids to go to public school… I would agree.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @bike-anarkist

    Public education is a euphemism for Communist education.

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-education-should-aim-at-destroying-free-will-so-that-after-pupils-are-thus-schooled-johann-gottlieb-fichte-69-87-88.jpg

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-ninety-nine-students-out-of-a-hundred-are-automata-careful-to-walk-in-prescribed-paths-william-torrey-harris-67-97-18.jpg

    Fichte made the Prussian system that American imported. William Torrey Harris was education minister for America.

    Private prisons are still prisons. America treats its children like serious criminals, who committed the crimes of being born and being young.
  • @NeoconsNailed
    @Hacienda

    No, but what difference does that make?

    Replies: @Hacienda

    Do you know the meaning of “irony”?

  • @Malla
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Venezuela was looted out by Chavez and Castro.
    Chavez's daughter is a millionaire and she openly flaunts her wealth in front of Venezuelans for being stupid enough to support her greedy scumbag Marxist Dad.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain

    Punka walla lie like pig in shit.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Malla
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Interesting that a guy who screams and screeches about racism, eagerly uses racist terms. Typical typical racists. Like those anti-fa commies guys who attacked a bunch of proud boys Hispanics calling them "beaners". Classic lefard scums.
    https://www.latinpost.com/articles/71424/20150812/maria-gabriela-chávez-net-worth-hugo-chávezs-daughter-richest-woman-in-venezuela-worth-4-2-billion.htm
    Maria Gabriela Chávez Net Worth: Hugo Chávez's Daughter Richest Woman in Venezuela, Worth $4.2 Billion

    https://www.peacefmonline.com/pages/foreign/news/201902/374417.php
    Rich Kids Of Venezuela: Hugo Chavez’s Daughter Flaunts Wealth

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWCVMPTkPeA
    Fat Maduro hogs on expensive beef dishes served by this weirdo Turkish celebrity chef Nusret Gökçe at the famous Nusr-Et steakhouse while his nation starves. Even marxist news outlet Guardian had to admit this sad fact.

    Typical typical Commie elites, loot out wealth created by the hardwork of others. Destroyed the Middle Class while enriching oneself.
  • @Malla
    @joy


    There was one academic whose name I forgot once told that the current western had grown around a myth of hard work an innovation leading to the current prosperity . Nothing could be farther from the truth .
    �
    That is true to a large extent.

    .Thats why they have been destabilizing the third world for resources as late as yesterday .
    �
    90% of the problems in the Third World are created by the populations of the Third World. I live in the Third World, fool some dumb Whitey eloi if you want, but your worn out old nonsense cannot fool me.

    Replies: @Alrenous, @mulga mumblebrain

    Indians make such perfect Uncle Toms. It’s the ‘Aryan’ delusion I suppose.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Malla
    @mulga mumblebrain


    Indians make such perfect Uncle Toms.
    �
    No they don't. Just because one does not agree with Chinese cunning tactics or Marxist bullshit, does not an uncle Tom make. India is one of the most revolutioanry nation on Earth who in one go gave a middle finger to both the West and China. Childish tricks like calling Indians "Uncle Tom" for not kowtowing to China's demands will have zero effect. We suggest, you stop wasting your time with such rubbish.

    It’s the ‘Aryan’ delusion I suppose.
    �
    That was 4000 years ago and it is not a delusion.
  • Anon[267] •ï¿½Disclaimer says:
    March 3, 2023 at 9:21 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Alrenous
    @Malla

    Somalia, hardly the world centre of the smart industrial types, experimented with throwing the UN out.

    The result was a massive explosion in prosperity. Child mortality dropped like a stone and they went from importing cattle from Ethiopia to exporting. Everyone got TVs and cellphones. Went from sub-40th African country to top 10.

    Yes, even under the most sound possible governance the third world would not be peak civilization. We're still talking about Africa here. However, 90% is far too high. Most of it is exposure to America.

    Replies: @Anon

    There was a study by university of Berne ( Switzerland ) before US out of hubris arrogance and massive bribery – induced pressure , attacked Somalia in 2006 directly and indirectly through proxies ( Ethiopia and Kenya ) showing Somali without a functioning government was doing better than Kenya and Ethiopia .

    After that invasions many problems started erupting including piracy . Taking advantage of the confusion and total breakdown of coastal security , Nordic countries started dumping radioactive waste off coast of Somalia while Japan and other countries started sending trawlers for illegal commercial fishing .Soon the livelihood of the local fisheries were gone .
    This gave rise to piracy .

    Somalia was no paradise but it was not killing each other and was not foraying into neighboring countries and neither was engaging into piracy .
    Nobody even heard of Somalia trying to escape Somalia .

    The revenge of Somalia will visit its nemesis one day . That’s justice .

    •ï¿½Replies: @Malla
    @Anon

    This is pure B.S., the USA attacked Somalia through proxies?? How do you buffons make up B.S. shit like this? When Ethiopia fought Somalia, Ethiopia was a SOVIET SATELITE state and Somalia was a Communist country too. It was Somalia which attacked Ethiopia.
    Somalia's problems started during Communist times when COMMUNIST SOMALIA run by the Supreme Revolutionary Council's Revolutionary Army went to war with COMMUNIST DERGIST ETHIOPIA (or Communist Somalia invaded Communist Ethiopia because of some ethnic Somali region) Executions and rape of civilians and refugees by Ethiopian, Somali and Cuban troops were prevalent throughout the war.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhMdU0fqZyU
    Ogaden War

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxqRtmAJcMI
    Captured Cuban POW near Harar during the Somalia-Ethiopia War 1977
  • @TelfoedJohn
    @James Thompson

    Unless they have lots of oil, no country can be economically successful with an IQ below 90

    Replies: @Brian Damage

    Unless they have lots of oil, no country can be economically successful with an IQ below 90

    Like India, Rwanda seems to have the delusions of grandeur.

    Rwandans are calling Rwanda the Singapore of Africa. Just because you are following Singapore’s template doesn’t mean you will be like Singapore in the future.

    https://www.warpnews.org/innovation/rwanda-the-singapore-of-africa/

    BTW, Look at the outliers of IQ versus GDP Per capita. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar stood out like sore thumbs.

    •ï¿½Replies: @BlackFlag
    @Brian Damage

    Overachievers are resource-rich or banking centers.

    The US is the most interesting outlier cause it's so important and harder to explain. Do you think its boost is derived from being the global hegemon, including having the world's reserve currency, because its smart fraction is larger than would be expected from the mean due to its various ethnicities, significant resources and advantageous geography, or cause it attracts the most skilled migrants?

    Replies: @James Thompson
  • Alrenous says: •ï¿½Website
    March 3, 2023 at 8:44 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Malla
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BwVxmJPies
    Smoking Weed with the President of Uruguay (Full Length) Vice

    This video shows that Uruguay is going woke.

    If you watch the Brazilian movie Elite Squad (Tropa de Elite) part 1, it shows most upper Middle class college kids turned inot wokenuts by their Marxist professors. A highly recommended movie about druglords in favelas also frequented by dumb Eloi upper middle class college kids for social work with some bad results. College kids listening to songs about "fuck the police" at parties.
    The movie will make you based, super-based.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-rUfBTQ1g
    ELITE SQUAD - Official Trailer

    Replies: @Alrenous

    Meanwhile, El Salvador just went full Hitler and threw all their gangs into concentration camps. The left are calling it ‘inhumane’ and all those things so you know they’re not messing around. Result: murder dropped off a cliff.

    Notably all crimes are strongly correlated with each other. You can’t take one down without taking all the rest down with it.

    Turns out America proper is just too poor and weak to manage to suppress its criminal element. Unlike the central Latins. Everyone know exactly who needs to be locked up (or, for preference, executed) they simply can’t figure out how to get it done.

    •ï¿½Replies: @PUTINFAN
    @Alrenous

    President Bukele has a 75% approval rating, 2nd highest in LATAM after Rodrigo Chávez in my Costa Rica who has 80%.

    Guess who opposes Bukele G. SOROS and AMNESTY INT. Who woulda thought????

    THE people approve, the PSYCHOS oppose.

    Replies: @Alrenous
    , @Malla
    @Alrenous

    El Salvadorans have faced decades of Commie terrorism and gang wars. Populations in these places put self survival over some moral superiority and these populations are more likely to survive in this Darwinian Universe. Many whites in North America and Europe and the Pacific have become eloi and put moral superiority above self interest. Hence nature wants them gone.
  • Alrenous says: •ï¿½Website
    March 3, 2023 at 8:40 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @Malla
    @joy


    There was one academic whose name I forgot once told that the current western had grown around a myth of hard work an innovation leading to the current prosperity . Nothing could be farther from the truth .
    �
    That is true to a large extent.

    .Thats why they have been destabilizing the third world for resources as late as yesterday .
    �
    90% of the problems in the Third World are created by the populations of the Third World. I live in the Third World, fool some dumb Whitey eloi if you want, but your worn out old nonsense cannot fool me.

    Replies: @Alrenous, @mulga mumblebrain

    Somalia, hardly the world centre of the smart industrial types, experimented with throwing the UN out.

    The result was a massive explosion in prosperity. Child mortality dropped like a stone and they went from importing cattle from Ethiopia to exporting. Everyone got TVs and cellphones. Went from sub-40th African country to top 10.

    Yes, even under the most sound possible governance the third world would not be peak civilization. We’re still talking about Africa here. However, 90% is far too high. Most of it is exposure to America.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Anon
    @Alrenous

    There was a study by university of Berne ( Switzerland ) before US out of hubris arrogance and massive bribery - induced pressure , attacked Somalia in 2006 directly and indirectly through proxies ( Ethiopia and Kenya ) showing Somali without a functioning government was doing better than Kenya and Ethiopia .

    After that invasions many problems started erupting including piracy . Taking advantage of the confusion and total breakdown of coastal security , Nordic countries started dumping radioactive waste off coast of Somalia while Japan and other countries started sending trawlers for illegal commercial fishing .Soon the livelihood of the local fisheries were gone .
    This gave rise to piracy .

    Somalia was no paradise but it was not killing each other and was not foraying into neighboring countries and neither was engaging into piracy .
    Nobody even heard of Somalia trying to escape Somalia .

    The revenge of Somalia will visit its nemesis one day . That’s justice .

    Replies: @Malla
  • @CSFurious
    @dearieme

    Umm, I think that i am "intelligent" and I would never eat cereal. LOL!

    Replies: @Alrenous

    I went zero carb and it made me smarter.

    Not to mention the benefits in strength, endurance, and lucidity. I also got a nice dose-response curve where getting closer to zero increased the benefits.

    Are seeds bird food?
    There are no drawbacks, unless you count the fact rice is dirt cheap and real food isn’t.

    •ï¿½Replies: @res
    @Alrenous


    I also got a nice dose-response curve where getting closer to zero increased the benefits.
    �
    Could you please elaborate on this? Say 100 is your original level of carbs and 0 is the obvious none, what did the dose response curve look like? In particular, was it nonlinear? If so with what behavior?

    Thank you.

    Replies: @Alrenous
  • @James Thompson
    @QCIC

    88. Searching for better data now.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    Unless they have lots of oil, no country can be economically successful with an IQ below 90

    •ï¿½Replies: @Brian Damage
    @TelfoedJohn


    Unless they have lots of oil, no country can be economically successful with an IQ below 90
    �
    Like India, Rwanda seems to have the delusions of grandeur.

    Rwandans are calling Rwanda the Singapore of Africa. Just because you are following Singapore's template doesn't mean you will be like Singapore in the future.

    https://www.warpnews.org/innovation/rwanda-the-singapore-of-africa/

    BTW, Look at the outliers of IQ versus GDP Per capita. Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar stood out like sore thumbs.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/IQ_vs_GDP_per_capita.png

    Replies: @BlackFlag
  • @ariadna
    @meamjojo

    Please don't. Based on your comments in UR you need not apply.

    Replies: @meamjojo, @J M

    I don’t believe that I need YOUR approval to do anything.

    •ï¿½Disagree: RadicalCenter
  • @dearieme
    @QCIC

    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate
    ... how many dumb clucks they hide from the gullible foreigners.

    Replies: @Brian Damage, @QCIC

    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate … how many dumb clucks they hide from the gullible foreigners.

    The chart below shows a strong correlation between IQ and PISA test scores. The outliers maybe due to better/worse educational system/facilities. Or, the locations where the tests were taken. Overall, it correlates very well.

    •ï¿½Thanks: dearieme
    •ï¿½Replies: @QCIC
    @Brian Damage

    Thanks. I think this PISA-IQ correlation has been chewed over at Unz, my question was taking that for granted. I agree the outliers might hold a partial answer to my question, which is almost about the deviations from the basic correlation.

    I am assuming PISA scores are somewhat influenced by education, while early IQ scores less so and therefore represent more the intrinsic capability of the kids. So how much boost from age 5 to 17 can be attributed to the general quality of the education system? To be clear this is not an actual boost in IQ, I am assuming it is an improvement in thinking skills.

    As examples, I can imagine that a really good education system might give PISA scores correlating to IQ of 105 for a population which has an early measured IQ of 100.

    On the other hand, a poor system such as the contemporary American public school education, might take a group with IQ around 100 and lead them to PISA test at an IQ equivalent of around 95.

    I understand this question should include all the great many valid caveats which go with the territory.

    Replies: @Brian Damage
  • Malla says:
    March 3, 2023 at 7:32 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @joy
    Shallow thinking indeed with no backstory to apply this information to the future direction or fate of these rich countries .

    Boone told that first billion was the toughest .Multi billionaire then a given .

    How did those countries become rich at first place ? Author has no clue or doesn’t want to have a clue because that will prick the ballon of hubris and racism.

    There was one academic whose name I forgot once told that the current western had grown around a myth of hard work an innovation leading to the current prosperity . Nothing could be farther from the truth .

    That truth ,the leaders and the elite know .Thats why they have been destabilizing the third world for resources as late as yesterday . Macron goes to Africa and says :†we wont do it and we haven’t been doing it for a while “ America steals oil from Syria openly . It has drained dry so many oil wells in Iran , Libya ,Nigeria and Iraq over last 60 yrs that billions have turned into trillions .

    Now tell this author - where the fuck is the defensible gate and tough fence . We would love gates around these countries so that the murdering thieves don't show up at the border.

    Why does he (west ) keep on coming when no-one wants him and it’s nation. Is it to show how kind and generous France or west is ?

    Why does US want a war with China?

    I see - its freedom !

    The lies haven’t changed .Have it?

    After destroying the local system and looting the resources , west made its first billion .

    It has not forgot that easy route to grow more wealth and to protect what it has .It keeps on looting .

    Then Karl Rove type of advice explains the rich history as product of innovation and hard work and possibly some sort of Christianity .

    Replies: @Malla

    There was one academic whose name I forgot once told that the current western had grown around a myth of hard work an innovation leading to the current prosperity . Nothing could be farther from the truth .

    That is true to a large extent.

    .Thats why they have been destabilizing the third world for resources as late as yesterday .

    90% of the problems in the Third World are created by the populations of the Third World. I live in the Third World, fool some dumb Whitey eloi if you want, but your worn out old nonsense cannot fool me.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @Malla

    Somalia, hardly the world centre of the smart industrial types, experimented with throwing the UN out.

    The result was a massive explosion in prosperity. Child mortality dropped like a stone and they went from importing cattle from Ethiopia to exporting. Everyone got TVs and cellphones. Went from sub-40th African country to top 10.

    Yes, even under the most sound possible governance the third world would not be peak civilization. We're still talking about Africa here. However, 90% is far too high. Most of it is exposure to America.

    Replies: @Anon
    , @mulga mumblebrain
    @Malla

    Indians make such perfect Uncle Toms. It's the 'Aryan' delusion I suppose.

    Replies: @Malla
  • @Hacienda
    @Brian Damage

    It is a courageous thing that the Philippines still take these tests. Talk about taking one for the team.

    Replies: @Brian Damage

    It is a courageous thing that the Philippines still take these tests. Talk about taking one for the team.

    I was doing some extrapolation of the numbers for Southeast Asian countries based on the info below.

    Singapore and Hongkong score 556.3, 530.7 respectively. Averaging 543.5
    Indonesia score 382
    Malaysia with 21% of its population are ethnic Chinese similar to Singapore and Hongkong scores 431.

    That means 79% are non-ethnic Chinese.

    If we take the average score for Indonesia of 382 times 79% = 301.78
    The average score of Singapore/HongKong of 544 times 21% = 114.24

    Total them together, it equals a score of 416. Close enough to the reported score of 431. I guess due to more ethnic Chinese taking the PISA tests than local Malays.

    I didn’t use the Philippines score because Filipinos are slightly different while Malays and Indonesians are quite similar plus the religion is similar.

    Thailand has up to 14% ethnic Chinese but it is difficult get a more accurate correlation. If we were to use the formula above, the average score based on 86% native and 14% ethnic Chinese, it would average 391 but, a portion of native Thais are mixed with ethnic Chinese. Also the tests are probably done in bigger cities where there are more ethnic Chinese.

    China’s score is a bit too high partly because of the test done in big cities where the cream of the crop went to school. I would put it around the Macao score of 542. In between Singapore and HongKong

    •ï¿½Replies: @BlackFlag
    @Brian Damage

    Shouldn't this be your formula?
    Malaysia PISA: 431
    Chinese component: 0.21 * 543.5 = 114
    Malay component: 431 - 114 = 317
    Malay PISA: 317/0.79 = 401

    So Malay is a bit higher than Indonesia's 382 which you'd expect given differences in wealth and population clines.
  • @Alrenous

    That is useful, because even if your house is your castle, it is no use to you if strangers are allowed to lay siege to it.
    �
    Who is 'allowing' them? Who is stopping me from hiring a mercenary company to relieve the siege?

    Oh right. The country. The country is 'allowing' them. The thing that's supposed to be protecting me. Oops, haha.

    Tucker Carlson knows. State-sponsored household sieges.

    You must be able to have the quiet enjoyment of your abode, at the cost of paying taxes for the laws that protect it.
    �
    "You're allowed to secure your property as long as you're not allowed to secure your property and instead enslave yourself to a country."

    Imagine you were allowed to sue the cops when they allowed a burglary to happen. Imagine you could fine the cops for the value of the stolen goods.

    You can't. Legally, you are livestock.

    Cells and walls and boundaries are good, yes. If the above is what a 'country' is, then we need to get rid of countries precisely so we can have walls and boundaries and communities.

    No matter how many sieges are allowed, how many sieges do you suppose there would be if I had a standing subscription to a siege-reliever?

    --

    Are you familiar with Conquest's first law? Generalized, it means you don't know anything unless it's your job to know.
    Thompson's PhD is not in sociology. (Not that modern sociology degree makes you an expert in sociology either.)

    Replies: @PetrOldSack

    To add to the grief asi presented, the joyous mention of “GDP” and “per capita” as texture of some data sources on which to query for causation. “The bend [in reasoning] is the means to the end.”

  • Malla says:
    March 3, 2023 at 7:27 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words

    Video LinkSmoking Weed with the President of Uruguay (Full Length) Vice

    This video shows that Uruguay is going woke.

    If you watch the Brazilian movie Elite Squad (Tropa de Elite) part 1, it shows most upper Middle class college kids turned inot wokenuts by their Marxist professors. A highly recommended movie about druglords in favelas also frequented by dumb Eloi upper middle class college kids for social work with some bad results. College kids listening to songs about “fuck the police” at parties.
    The movie will make you based, super-based.

    Video LinkELITE SQUAD – Official Trailer

    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @Malla

    Meanwhile, El Salvador just went full Hitler and threw all their gangs into concentration camps. The left are calling it 'inhumane' and all those things so you know they're not messing around. Result: murder dropped off a cliff.

    Notably all crimes are strongly correlated with each other. You can't take one down without taking all the rest down with it.

    Turns out America proper is just too poor and weak to manage to suppress its criminal element. Unlike the central Latins. Everyone know exactly who needs to be locked up (or, for preference, executed) they simply can't figure out how to get it done.

    Replies: @PUTINFAN, @Malla
  • @mulga mumblebrain
    @loner feral cat

    Filthy garbage. Brutal US sanctions and sabotage by the parasite castes subverted Venezuela.

    Replies: @Malla

    Venezuela was looted out by Chavez and Castro.
    Chavez’s daughter is a millionaire and she openly flaunts her wealth in front of Venezuelans for being stupid enough to support her greedy scumbag Marxist Dad.

    •ï¿½Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @Malla

    Punka walla lie like pig in shit.

    Replies: @Malla
  • @QCIC
    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate an 'education system', assuming "training for the test" is not a problem.

    Replies: @James Thompson, @dearieme

    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate … how many dumb clucks they hide from the gullible foreigners.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Brian Damage
    @dearieme


    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate … how many dumb clucks they hide from the gullible foreigners.
    �
    The chart below shows a strong correlation between IQ and PISA test scores. The outliers maybe due to better/worse educational system/facilities. Or, the locations where the tests were taken. Overall, it correlates very well.


    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jelte-Wicherts/publication/254896769/figure/fig2/AS:655133998342145@1533207525118/Cross-national-correlation-between-IQ-and-PISA2003-g-adapted-from-Nyborg-2005.png

    Replies: @QCIC
    , @QCIC
    @dearieme

    I suppose one would needs to take this into account! Thanks.
  • @Hacienda
    @NeoconsNailed


    Please please PLEASE do not send people to the last unspoiled places on earth.
    �
    Are you European yourself?

    Replies: @NeoconsNailed

    No, but what difference does that make?

    •ï¿½Replies: @Hacienda
    @NeoconsNailed

    Do you know the meaning of "irony"?
  • @PUTINFAN
    @ariadna

    This is completely made up and has not 1 ounce of truth. I am a retired educator in LATAM. Ignore this post.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    I am a retired educator

    Thanks for this confession. I will invert your opinions accordingly. I wouldn’t be brave enough to say any such thing in public.

  • @dearieme
    cereal type muesli 0.48

    But, but, but, surely intelligent people don't east breakfast cereal at all? Porridge and then a kipper, perhaps, or smoked haddock and poached egg, or kedgeree, or bacon, egg, black pudding, and fried bread.

    Or in my case ham and a pear. What a fine combo that is.

    Replies: @Anon, @CSFurious

    Umm, I think that i am “intelligent” and I would never eat cereal. LOL!

    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @CSFurious

    I went zero carb and it made me smarter.

    Not to mention the benefits in strength, endurance, and lucidity. I also got a nice dose-response curve where getting closer to zero increased the benefits.

    Are seeds bird food?
    There are no drawbacks, unless you count the fact rice is dirt cheap and real food isn't.

    Replies: @res
  • @dearieme
    cereal type muesli 0.48

    But, but, but, surely intelligent people don't east breakfast cereal at all? Porridge and then a kipper, perhaps, or smoked haddock and poached egg, or kedgeree, or bacon, egg, black pudding, and fried bread.

    Or in my case ham and a pear. What a fine combo that is.

    Replies: @Anon, @CSFurious

    Sounds delish!

  • @meamjojo
    Thanks for this. Uruguay is one of the countries I am considering relocating to outside the USA at a future time.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Jefferson Temple, @Z-man, @ariadna, @anon, @Anon, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Scythian

    I highly doubt you are the type of citizen they desire.

  • @Brian Damage
    India failed miserably and left PISA after 2009 to save the embarrassment of low ranking exposed to the world as it aspire to be a "world superpower". It is not surprising considering the GDP per capita is similar to the GDP per capita of collective sub-Saharan Africa.

    "India, which is not a member of the OECD, had last participated in Pisa in 2009, when it had ranked 73rd among 74 countries, above only Kyrgyzstan." https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/central-government-cries-off-global-test-for-teenagers/cid/1875585#:~:text=India%2C%20which%20is%20not%20a,74%20countries%2C%20above%20only%20Kyrgyzstan.





    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/pisa-2018-with-uruguay.png

    Replies: @Hacienda

    It is a courageous thing that the Philippines still take these tests. Talk about taking one for the team.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Brian Damage
    @Hacienda


    It is a courageous thing that the Philippines still take these tests. Talk about taking one for the team.
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    I was doing some extrapolation of the numbers for Southeast Asian countries based on the info below.

    Singapore and Hongkong score 556.3, 530.7 respectively. Averaging 543.5
    Indonesia score 382
    Malaysia with 21% of its population are ethnic Chinese similar to Singapore and Hongkong scores 431.

    That means 79% are non-ethnic Chinese.

    If we take the average score for Indonesia of 382 times 79% = 301.78
    The average score of Singapore/HongKong of 544 times 21% = 114.24

    Total them together, it equals a score of 416. Close enough to the reported score of 431. I guess due to more ethnic Chinese taking the PISA tests than local Malays.

    I didn't use the Philippines score because Filipinos are slightly different while Malays and Indonesians are quite similar plus the religion is similar.

    Thailand has up to 14% ethnic Chinese but it is difficult get a more accurate correlation. If we were to use the formula above, the average score based on 86% native and 14% ethnic Chinese, it would average 391 but, a portion of native Thais are mixed with ethnic Chinese. Also the tests are probably done in bigger cities where there are more ethnic Chinese.

    China's score is a bit too high partly because of the test done in big cities where the cream of the crop went to school. I would put it around the Macao score of 542. In between Singapore and HongKong

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/pisa-2018-with-uruguay.png

    Replies: @BlackFlag
  • @NeoconsNailed
    Please please PLEASE do not send people to the last unspoiled places on earth. Americans in particular will just ruin them. They're nice because first-worlders have mostly left them alone. Why the flimsy education cover for your sick expat promotion?

    This transformation reccently happened in my immediate area. The large Southern US city 25 miles away got 'discovered' during the Covidiocy, and all manner of obnoxious people from the most highly touted Northern metropoles have suddenly realized their way of life was a death trap and come swarming in. Never mind that they've scorned the South and its people all their lives and hate our politics, history and religion. They haven't mobbed my much smaller city but overnight house prices soared 25-50% here and are continuing to, just because of the proximity. They didn't in 2008 etc.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    Please please PLEASE do not send people to the last unspoiled places on earth.

    Are you European yourself?

    •ï¿½Replies: @NeoconsNailed
    @Hacienda

    No, but what difference does that make?

    Replies: @Hacienda
  • @QCIC
    What countries have the highest ratio of PISA test results to measured childhood IQ?

    This ratio might be a good metric to evaluate an 'education system', assuming "training for the test" is not a problem.

    Replies: @James Thompson, @dearieme

    Agreed. Will go back to the Rindermann studies on all countries later.

    •ï¿½Thanks: QCIC
  • @QCIC
    Is there independent IQ test data from Uruguay? What is the average IQ implied by the PISA results, something like 90?

    Replies: @James Thompson

    88. Searching for better data now.

    •ï¿½Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @James Thompson

    Unless they have lots of oil, no country can be economically successful with an IQ below 90

    Replies: @Brian Damage
  • @Levtraro
    Good article, thanks.

    You have a serious omission though. There is another country in South America with similar statistics: Chile.

    Similar ethnic composition (CL: 89% European; UY: 88% European), GDP per capita (both UY and CL are the only South American countries classified a high-income by the WB), and similar PISA scores (CL: a bit higher in science and reading, CL and UY equal in Maths).

    Chile is a lot bigger (18-20 million), spanning 38 degrees of latitude, with many different climates, from the desertic north to the polar south.

    I was there last year on business and there is a serious immigration issue and increasing crime mostly due to immigration (Venezuelans mostly; Haitians had invaded earlier but apparently they decided to leave or were sent back home by the Chileans), but this problem was prevalent in the North and the capital city, while the south still was clean and nearly 100% Chilean.

    Fishing in the south is great, also mountain hiking and trekking. The sea is too cold but it is very rich, diving in the southern fjords (3/4 inches thick rubber, lol!) is an incredible experience, at the level of diving in warm waters coral reefs. On the other hand Uruguay is super flat and homogeneous so not much to experience in terms of nature.

    In terms of business-friendliness and acceptance of expats, Chile is also as good as Uruguay.

    Either we should try far more radical approaches, or we should accept that the scope for improvement is limited. It is the innate ability of students which plays the largest part in their eventual attainments.

    �
    This is an important insight and it means that as managers of the educational system, state people should focus on (1) increasing fertility in the highly educated segment of the population and (2) active seeking and promotion of the odd talented child in the less educated segments of the population.

    Replies: @James Thompson

    Yes, could have added other countries, but my justification was given at the start, 2 countries as neighbours, two countries of origin, and two wealth countries. Simplification. Next time, back to all the countries for which we have data.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Levtraro
    @James Thompson


    Next time, back to all the countries for which we have data.
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    Looking forward to it.
  • joy says:
    March 3, 2023 at 5:24 pm GMT •ï¿½300 Words

    Shallow thinking indeed with no backstory to apply this information to the future direction or fate of these rich countries .

    Boone told that first billion was the toughest .Multi billionaire then a given .

    How did those countries become rich at first place ? Author has no clue or doesn’t want to have a clue because that will prick the ballon of hubris and racism.

    There was one academic whose name I forgot once told that the current western had grown around a myth of hard work an innovation leading to the current prosperity . Nothing could be farther from the truth .

    That truth ,the leaders and the elite know .Thats why they have been destabilizing the third world for resources as late as yesterday . Macron goes to Africa and says :†we wont do it and we haven’t been doing it for a while “ America steals oil from Syria openly . It has drained dry so many oil wells in Iran , Libya ,Nigeria and Iraq over last 60 yrs that billions have turned into trillions .

    Now tell this author – where the fuck is the defensible gate and tough fence . We would love gates around these countries so that the murdering thieves don’t show up at the border.

    Why does he (west ) keep on coming when no-one wants him and it’s nation. Is it to show how kind and generous France or west is ?

    Why does US want a war with China?

    I see – its freedom !

    The lies haven’t changed .Have it?

    After destroying the local system and looting the resources , west made its first billion .

    It has not forgot that easy route to grow more wealth and to protect what it has .It keeps on looting .

    Then Karl Rove type of advice explains the rich history as product of innovation and hard work and possibly some sort of Christianity .

    •ï¿½Replies: @Malla
    @joy


    There was one academic whose name I forgot once told that the current western had grown around a myth of hard work an innovation leading to the current prosperity . Nothing could be farther from the truth .
    �
    That is true to a large extent.

    .Thats why they have been destabilizing the third world for resources as late as yesterday .
    �
    90% of the problems in the Third World are created by the populations of the Third World. I live in the Third World, fool some dumb Whitey eloi if you want, but your worn out old nonsense cannot fool me.

    Replies: @Alrenous, @mulga mumblebrain
  • @QCIC
    @loner feral cat

    I eventually recognized the Venezuelan people are fighting against outside powers who controlled key aspects of the country for a very long time. Chavez (who I used to completely discount) took power away from foreign and oligarchical powers. Unfortunately in the process, much of the "smart fraction" of the country was driven out. Since then, Socialists are trying to make Venezuela into a 'worker's paradise', but it seems this will not happen since they have not empowered enough bright people to participate. Not to mention their economic ideas are probably ridiculous. In the process they have also accelerated dysgenic population patterns.

    I suspect if the Socialists lost power and the non-oligarchical parts of the smart fraction diaspora returned, Venezuela could become prosperous again.

    Replies: @Brian Damage

    I eventually recognized the Venezuelan people are fighting against outside powers who controlled key aspects of the country for a very long time. Chavez (who I used to completely discount) took power away from foreign and oligarchical powers. Unfortunately in the process, much of the “smart fraction†of the country was driven out. Since then, Socialists are trying to make Venezuela into a ‘worker’s paradise’, but it seems this will not happen since they have not empowered enough bright people to participate. Not to mention their economic ideas are probably ridiculous. In the process they have also accelerated dysgenic population patterns.

    I suspect if the Socialists lost power and the non-oligarchical parts of the smart fraction diaspora returned, Venezuela could become prosperous again.

    The pro-US Oligarchs never developed Venezuela. It was an oil economy that’s about it. When the oil price crashed at the end of 1998 to historic lows. As low as the low of 1946, the economy crashed. Hugo Chavez came into power and kicked out all those corrupt politicians and the oil oligarchs.

    US with lots of petroleum interests in Venezuela began to put horrific sanctions on the country. Chaves was painted by Western media as a tyrant, and authoritarian, a communist, causing hardships to the people of Venezuela.

    Nicolas Maduro, successor of Chavez, not really a capable President, was put under extreme pressure by the US and had to perform. The economy was in taters and the 2019 election saw Maduro won again but under suspect circumstances as only 25% of the opposition voters came to vote while pro-Maduro voters were at 46%. US claimed the election was a sham and recognized opposition leader Juan Guido as the defacto leader of Venezuela. Venezuelan gold stored in UK was even confiscated by the British government.

    •ï¿½Troll: Malla
    •ï¿½Replies: @QCIC
    @Brian Damage

    This seems accurate, but I think there is more to it. The West did invest in Venezuela, building advanced dams and hydroelectric projects, aluminum smelters and major factories. However, I assume the terms were similar to what John Perkins "The Economic Hitman" describes, that is they left control of the economy in foreign hands.

    I guess my point is that Venezuela probably had enough of a smart fraction to be a viable stand alone economy but this was lost and may not be replaceable. It is an interesting case study. People like to blame Chavez for the whole mess, but there is more to it.

    After the collapse, US oil companies craftily set things up so that Venezuela required American oil to dilute and produce their own heavy crude. This keeps the oil revenue intrinsically low until the Venezuelan government can be driven out and a more compliant one reinstalled. It is known how to process the oil and avoid this step, but no Western company will implement this since they do not want to risk having expensive plants nationalized.

    I think the West may have overestimated how much "sun people" care about prosperity above a minimum level--they don't seem to care very much!

    Guaido is another episode which undermines the credibility of the USA.
  • PUTINFAN says:
    March 3, 2023 at 4:58 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @ariadna
    @Jim H

    "Last I checked, Uruguay still offered some degree of banking secrecy"
    Check again. Socialist Mujica rubbished that after Obama promised him that the US would import a couple more oranges from Uruguay. So the US gets to check the bank accounts of US ex-pats living in Uruguay, which caused a lot of them to leave.
    Mujica's Frente Amplio has been partially removed from power (still strong in municipal bureaucracies and in teachers' trade unions). The current president-- Lacalle Pou-- is a conservative who has undone some of the damage done by decades of socialist governance but he cannot be re-elected (the Constitution does not allow two consecutive terms) and he is skating on thin ice being the only conservative president in the region. The current governments of Chile, Argentina and Brasil are leftists and woke... Furthermore he is the only one who did not impose "sanitary" lockdowns or obligatory Pfizer jabbing.

    Replies: @Jim H, @PUTINFAN

    These governments are far left and do not support wokism as espoused by the center-left liberal democracies. These goverments support Ortega, Maduro, Castillo, Morales, Bukele all of whom support Russia privately but publicly state they are neutral (except NIC and VEN) only to keep receiving foreign aid.

    DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THIS POSTER.

    •ï¿½Troll: Petermx, ariadna
  • @ariadna
    The article ignores one of the most important causes for the decay of education in Uruguay: a couple of decades of socialist governance that debased it with woke ideology, introducing "social promotion" -- allowing students to proceed to the next grade despite failing grades "to avoid damaging their self-esteem"-- empowering teachers' unions (their dependable voting block) to weaken standards for teachers' performance. Weighting the curriculum with feminist gender identity propaganda to ther detriment of basic education.

    Replies: @PUTINFAN

    This is completely made up and has not 1 ounce of truth. I am a retired educator in LATAM. Ignore this post.

    •ï¿½Disagree: Petermx
    •ï¿½Thanks: Alrenous
    •ï¿½Troll: ariadna
    •ï¿½Replies: @Alrenous
    @PUTINFAN


    I am a retired educator
    �
    Thanks for this confession. I will invert your opinions accordingly. I wouldn't be brave enough to say any such thing in public.
  • PUTINFAN says:
    March 3, 2023 at 4:37 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words

    YOUR article was interesting to a Latin American, white, with English ancestry because Uruguay is a White country and proud of that fact. I was there 20 years ago on business and saw no blacks living there although there are a few near Brazil.

    You never stated if you live there.

    Argentinians and Uruguayians basically hate Americans. Listen to how Diego Maradona speaks about Gringos and that is the general feeling of the population.

    As for education in LATAM, all countries are basically the same (I sent 4 kids through the system here).

    All wear uniforms through high school. No pink or blue hair, etc permitted. No nose rings, etc. There is no racism discussed, each SCHOOL probably having 50 different skin colors. No politics is permitted, no discusión of gayness is permitted. No teacher is allowed to openly appear gay. No confrontational act or bullying is permitted and the student engaging therein is immediately permanently expelled.

    I personally think your stats have no meaning, they are promulgated by liberal-democrat philosophies. The educational system here doesn’t believe them and ignores them. We have our traditional and cultural method of education that we are happy with.

  • HT says:
    March 3, 2023 at 4:24 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words

    Uruguay could be an option as the USA continues to deteriorate but it still has problems and risks as other Latin American countries do. Obviously, if you are under 50, you have to consider all viable options and there are a few in South America including Uruguay and Chile. That we have allowed Western civilization and culture to be destroyed by non-Whites in America, causing people to consider leaving, is disgusting.