From an article posted at The Fitzpatrick Informer’s Forum page.
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Ilana Mercer and the Collectivity of the West
https://fitzinfo.net/forum/topic/ilana-mercer-and-the-collectivity-of-the-west/

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Kidist Paulos Asrat
https://wellpatterned.blogspot.com/

Mudsharks deserve whatever they get. Zero sympathy.

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti

She’s a kind of odd-looking female who doesn’t otherwise punch outside her class except in a heavily male environment like the La Vergne, TN police department. There, she becomes the sexual mascot. Anybody who’s served in the military has seen this phenomenon.

Facepalm, shot self in foot, but thanks. Had heard both, but never listened to Lohengrin in full, so didn’t know the context.

I took the writer’s essay to suggest that:

– Thinking is required to compose great music; and that thinking is also required to listen to great music; and that thinking has become passe’ over the last 50 years or so due to the intentional dumbing-down of societies around the world.

And that great music may never return since great thinking may never return; that Men-of-the Mind left when Nixon closed the Gold Window in ‘71, and that they will not return until they can be paid properly, and be appreciated for their intellectual contributions to the culture.

Since that seems unlikely soon, if ever, the great music we have, like the last great inventions we have, are probably all we may ever have.

Since I disembarked long ago, I can live with that.

The Bridal March, aka “Here Comes the Bride,� is from Lohengrin by Wagner, who despised Mendelssohn and his tribe.
Mendelssohn’s famous wedding tune is from his incidental music to A Midsummer Night’s Dream.

True in Japan, too, at most ‘western’ style or ‘cool’ chain places. Even worse than the saccharine ‘RnB’ of now are the many copies of old pop songs by white performers and copies of their styles. John Legend is particularly revolting, but the Jews who run the industry in the U.S. seem to churn out an endless array of similar acts now.

I go to Wendy’s//First Kitchen for a burger and chips every two months or so, they don’t, at least not completely.

The new chairman at my office decided to install BGM, thankfully it’s always elevator music, so tolerable except pre-Christmas, where the endless repetition of (mainly) muzak versions of Jewish ‘Christmas songs’ forces me to use headphones so I don’t have to hear.

Also, as a listener to serious (early, baroque, classical, romantic, east Asian non-western classical) music, to include (((Mendelssohn))) as a contender is just a total joke, as is his best-known work.

Here comes the bride,

big, fat, and wide,

slipped on a banana skin,

and went for a ride.

I agree with PeterMX. I know the upper-left (Greta Thumbellina), lower-right (part of the latest big Jewish financial swindle), vaguely the lower-left (some crap ‘educator’ IIRC, correction please if I’m wrong on that), but the one in upper-right looks like the very young Russian women’s figure skater Kamila Valieva.

If so, what wrong has the latter done?

The two on the left look deranged and possibly dangerous. The one on the bottom right is a known financial fraudster that would steal your grandmother’s house. I don’t know the other one.

Yes, as I said, it was released in 1974. It has subsequently become one of the most sampled R&B compositions ever. It pops up everywhere.

It does not matter who is West, it matters who is best. Bach and Beethoven composed great music, whereas the pygmies you named never did and never will.

So that’s where it came from… the one sampled by Will Smith. Summertime?? I think it was. Thanks for that.

I was actually thinking in relation to black music from 20 or 30 years ago.

I get the strong impression there’s been a musical collapse even within R&B / hip hop just as elsewhere. This consolidation of power and homogenization of output by a handful of corporations seems to be a huge factor in this. It seems very likely that today’s mainstream music awards ceremonies reflect that consolidation of power.

Already listed that smooth tune, playa. Cue: Rocky staring into the mirror. “What I got here is turtle food.”

Cue: Love’s Theme by Love Unlimited Orchestra circa 1974

1970s and 1980s were the golden age of music. 1990s last decent decade for music although artist like LeAnn Rimes and Carrie Underwood are great in post 2000.

Cue: Welcome To The Jungle by Carrie Underwood * G&R cover

Blacks are capable of producing high-art music.

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Just their culture doesn’t encourage this sort of musical production anymore.

But then neither does European culture.

The Western well has run dry. Nietzsche and Spengler predicted this a century ago.

I have many issues with black music, but I don’t know if the current collapse is entirely a negro problem, other than negroes have agreed to the demands of Jewish or gentile executives, or let themselves be used to churn out shit music to sell to other negroes.

Here is some black music from 1974, an instrumental, albeit with some synthesizer use. Very melodic. Not near as complex as classical…but very Kool.

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I thought of that. But Trinity believes I’m a Jew. And Ilana’s suggestion would square with Trinity’s views from what I’ve seen.

I don’t know if you have to go back as far as Beethoven to see this musical collapse.

It gets confusing, as people argue about definitions, but I think it’s generally correct to say ‘popular music’ carries an intentional appeal to a wide audience, not an elite one.

However loads of good stuff would still appear organically over the decades. Artists would still take risks and seem to be able to create some very impressive music that everyone knows today and for good reasons.

At some point, whatever restraints remained an the intentional appeal to a wide audience came off, moreover, execs realized the audience could be manipulated into accepting the kind of polished sludge noise soup of nothing that exists now.

My guess is this happened with a consolidation within the music industry. There are only three major record labels producing two-thirds of all output America apparently.

A suspect a lot of people don’t really think that even ‘dangerous edgy’ record labels are in fact owned by massive major corporations.

Sure anyone can set up a stream for their music these days but you still need the publicity machine. The hype. The marketing. The slickness. The polish. And whatever goes on behind the scenes to push a new artist.

I have many issues with black music, but I don’t know if the current collapse is entirely a negro problem, other than negroes have agreed to the demands of Jewish or gentile executives, or let themselves be used to churn out shit music to sell to other negroes.

Kanye West is interesting. I had heard his name but took no interest in him until the controversies last year. Out of curiosity I did try to listen to some of West’s music at the time.

I’m quite familiar with hip hop and R&B and so have other things I can measure it against. I honestly thought it was terrible. I was amazed this guy had got as far as he had on this stuff. To my ears West is mostly a creation of a corporate music machine selling blackness, but he’s a Golem that turned on his masters. And in so much as a lot of what he said is not untrue I supported his voice in this narrow context.

As for awards, I imagine mainstream music awards reflect the interests of this corporate monopoly.

Same thing has happened with cinema too. At some point executives realized they could churn out endless franchise movies, endless reboots/remakes/rewhatever and also the woke thing. To a certain extent you can coerce audiences into accepting something shitter than what was prior, especially to young people in their formative years, who’s brains are still developing, who don’t have so much to compare it to.

But you have prop it up with fake awards and fake reviews and so on but you can still sell. Corporations can de facto create this shifting baseline of taste to some extent. It is completely artificial, unnatural, inorganic, it’s ugly stupid garbage but if it’s sold and packaged people will still accept it.

I think what Trinity is suggesting is that Ilana is Jewish and thus cannot be trusted.
I am not sure I agree in that there are many of Jewish blood which have opposed the decay of the Republic.

I think you misread me. Not saying that Beethoven needs destroying.
I’m not a Jew. You can read my previous posts over 7 years or so on Unz. I clearly shows I’m not.

Over-intellectualizing an intuitively obvious idea is a common strategy used by those who cannot accept inconvenient truths. Descendants of Indo-European peoples have shown themselves to be more capable specimens of homo sapiens sapiens than any other line of modern man. Capable meaning the ability to carry the most adaptable and most evolved genetic architecture. We have proven to the world our superior capabilities in all areas. To argue against this is to intellectualize against an intuitively obvious and empirically demonstrable fact of existence.

Disco produced lots of great music while Punk produced (((degeneracy.))) The MAJORITY of the anti-disco crowd were socially awkward, couldn’t dance, haters, mental cases, etc. There were some normal people who didn’t like disco or dancing but they still hung out in the clubs. Seventies produced all types of great music from classic country and rock, disco, love songs, funk, rhythm and blues/soul, pop, but punk rock wasn’t one of them.

Even a few instrumental tunes.
Pick Up The Pieces by Average White Band
Gonna Fly Now by Bill Conti* few lyrics (theme from Rocky)
Summer Madness by Kool & The Gang (also featured in Rocky)
The Hustle by Van McCoy
Rise by Herb Albert
etc., etc…

Even Jew boys (((KISS,))) biggest hit was disco. The only decent these assholes made IMO.

Cue: I Was Made For Loving You Baby by KISS

Never let a deceitful Jew decide what is best for Whites and their nation. It was wrong to bring Blacks to America and Europe and Jews as well. Both groups have done nothing but destroy our nations. Neither group can be trusted and both are anti White to the core.

Really?

Ilana is a beautiful woman, but never let a woman make strategy for the defense of your country, let alone civilization.

She’s just pointing to the icons that need destroying. Enjoy Beethoven in peace. Make him a target at your expense.

The 1970s were loaded when it came to belly rubbing songs aka smooth love songs. Some great slow grooves.

More Than A Woman, Fanny, Love So Right -Bee Gees
If I Can’t Have You, Hello Stranger*cover Yvonne Elliman
Sailing, Tonight’s The Night Rod Stewart
Lady Blue-Leon Russell
Sharing The Night Together-Dr. Hook
Please Don’t Go-KC & The Sunshine Band
Long, Long Time, Different Drum, Tracks Of My Tears*cover-Linda Ronstadt
Man, sheeit, the list is endless.

Cue: Here You Come Again by Dolly Parton

I liked the Bee Gees even before Saturday Night Fever.

“Fanny Be Tender With My Love” & “Nights On Broadway” were a couple of great tunes.

Truth be told, MOST people are not huge fans of classical music. Maybe long, long ago.

They’re what The Jolly Heretic calls spiteful mutants. In small manageable numbers they add variety and interest to a society. When their numbers become too great, they hinder the ability of a society to function smoothly and contribute to its eventual demise.

Rap is lowest-common-denominator performance art, hence its appeal to the masses unwilling to expend the mental effort required to process and appreciate the higher forms. I’m not sure the term “music” applies but it has a beat and you can dance to it.

Love the Brothers Gibb, I especially enjoy playing your choice of their songs. It’s one of those 3-4 minute mood enhancers that we have come to love.

I agree that Haydn deserves a higher rank, some of his symphonic efforts are among the best. He had lots of practice writing those…100+ of them.

However, IMHO the Beethoven 9th, 2nd movement is one of the high points of western orchestral music, ever.

And then, there are his various piano-centric compositions, each one a source of pure joy. These musicians are grooving to it:

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They play vile nigger music everywhere now. Especially in the workplace and suburban eateries. It’s psychological warfare designed to humiliate and demoralize the masses, much like the stomach-turning circus pornography that relatively few porn users actually watch but all have seen. (All porn, even the vanilla variety, is degenerate poison, of course.)
American Hispanic youth once had their own brand of low culture and fiercely despised the blacks. Now, as Hispanics have assimilated into the American mainstream, the youth listen to rap and allow their sisters to fuck niggers, which wasn’t happening just thirty years ago.

I would say there is a third way, and that is the political ‘back room’ deals. Maybe that is subsumed into your ’emotional and social intelligence’ concept?

Yes, I would include backroom deals and nepotism in the social portion of my concept.

My, “next big thing,” concept could also be generalized as the ability to recognize opportunities as they appear in any field of endeavor.

One thing I did leave out is that being in the right place at the right time, in physical as well as more abstract terms, is also crucial.

I would say there is a third way, and that is the political ‘back room’ deals. Maybe that is subsumed into your ’emotional and social intelligence’ concept?

Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Mendelssohn, Schubert, Brahms, Bruckner, Debussy, César Franck, Dvorák, Tchaikovsky (Russian), Elgar, Fauré and more—they embody The Best of The West…

~ilana

I don’t disagree at all with your thesis here, but I have to question putting a deaf composer at the head of your list while entirely overlooking Haydn, who belongs in first place.

Pop music started a decline in the disco sucks seventies…

Yes it did but you failed to mention the cause of that, which certainly wasn’t Disco, but certainly was Punk.

Beethoven never wrote anything like this…

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Bee Gees – How Deep Is Your Love

How deep is your love,
How deep is your love?
I really mean to learn
‘Cause we’re living in a world of fools
‘Breaking us down
When they all should let us be
We belong to you and me…

Anyway, you think I’d end up a massive success, right? Didn’t work out that way. While I certainly didn’t fail, I didn’t really succeed either.

The sad truth, which I’ve recently realized myself, is that book/technical intelligence will get you only so far. This produces a decent, comfortable life, but that is all.

The people who really make it seem to be wired for additional levels of emotional and social intelligence.

The other way to accumulate enough money to no longer worry about material needs and wants is to invest in the ground level of, “the next big thing.” These would be things like Netflix stock from 2008-2018, the Tesla IPO, or Bitcoin circa 2010-2011.

As far as my limited perception as a slightly above average engineer can tell, the possible next big things are improving AIs like what we’ve seen with ChatGPT and compact molten-salt nuclear reactors.

I shall close with guidance neither fuzzy nor diffuse: Honor Western civilization, not Kanye West: Do it up, parents.

Rap is all ooga-booga to me, but I digress.

Why is (((defenestrated))) Kanye the specific target of your parting shot?

Could it be more than his rap that offends (((you)))?

I always thought if Beethoven had been alive in the nineteen fifties, he would have written a song called “Roll Over Chuck Berry”. Of course, Kanye and Rihanna aren’t as good as Bach or Beethoven. Who is? The surprising thing to me is how much pop music has declined in sixty years. Ilana mentions Burt Bacharach. In that same era, you also had the Beatles, Stones, Kinks etc. in Britain. In New York you had the Brill building songwriters and folkies like Bob Dylan and Paul Simon. From Detroit and Memphis, you had all the great soul music on the Motown and Stax labels. In Los Angeles you had Phil Spector and his wall of sound and also surf music like the Beach Boys. You also had new music from artists from a slightly earlier era like Presley, Sinatra, Johnny Cash and various jazz artists.

Pop music started a decline in the disco sucks seventies and then the decline accelerated in the eighties as the dysgenic effects of the welfare system started to show itself. Kanye and Rihanna are hardly the worst of what’s out there. Most middle-class whites normally wouldn’t even hear the worst unless they make a wrong turn and end up driving through an inner-city ghetto where they would hear it blasting out of a nearby car.

I _do_ think Kanye’s more talented than your typical rapper and he’s got the cojones to take on the true gangsters of the music industry.

Ewwwwwwwwww

This is the West

the Jewess neglects to mention that it’s (((Arnold Schoenberg))) and 60 years of his

– and his accolytes –

12-tone sonic poison that drove away 95% of the audience that

White “classical” music used to have. When the Jews

– and their well-paid shabbatz goyim –

complete the liquidation of White Western Civ,

every artifact – art, literature, and music – will be completely destroyed:

not even a memory.

I don’t care. If it’s good it’s good; if it stinks it stinks.

She is singing “What have they done to my song?� That is precisely the subject of the essay. (“Get it?�)
Additionally, I felt it is not sufficient to compare rap music with only classical music; A comparison with recent musical artists is also warranted, and she is a good one.

What’s this supposed to be? Oh, I get it, your fave singer.

‘ I should have went straight to graduate school. ‘

I strongly suspect that if you were as ‘brilliant’ as you say you are, you’d know better than to type a sentence like the above.

This kind of thing has been going on for longer than the Republic has existed, but before modern times it was not considered ‘Culture’.

Excellent choice-Beethoven’s Symphony No. 9
But all are white…except a few Asians…how is that?

Beethoven & Bach ARE the WEST, Not Cardi B, Kanye, Rihanna

Beethoven & Bach ARE what the WEST used to be, Not Cardi B, Kanye, Rihanna

FIFY

And that is a travesty.

If your daughter has to work for a living, have her learn a trade.

I’d recommend heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, complete with gas fitter and electrician endorsement.

She’d always have work, and time for an avocation that’s in her heart.

When I was in my teens I had already learned Liszt’s sonata in b minor and played Bk. I of Bach’s well Tempered clavier. By the time I turned 30, I had learned most of the active piano repertoire. I also did math Olympiad and learned Lebesgue integration, probability and all that modern stuff before I was a freshman. I knew the entire undergraduate curriculum in math already and so majored in physics instead. I couldn’t graduate fast enough, most of it was not challenging and dull. I should have went straight to graduate school.

Anyway, you think I’d end up a massive success, right? Didn’t work out that way. While I certainly didn’t fail, I didn’t really succeed either. Most of Academia DOES NOT VALUE what I can do, especially now. I couldn’t function in Academia and so just got a regular job, did it well, saved money, invested, moved ahead slowly but surely.

When my kids were young, they loved my piano playing. I’d have little dancers accompanying my music. Now, I can’t compete with that nasty rap music. Children’s peer override their parents eventually. I live in a nice little New England town and the young ladies, ostensibly feminists prefer misogynistic music by Dr. Dre “bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks” stuff like that. Their friends are always very impressed when I play but they can’t pay attention for very long. It’s a world they cannot enter.

So what to do? Well, maybe farming. I’ve been gardening as a side interest for over a decade now. I love trees, flowers, plants, despite difficult allergies so I need to be careful. I also grew up raising sheep so maybe I could try that again. Learn to cook properly from my chef friend who recently closed his business which was destroyed by the lockdowns? He couldn’t hire competent people. He couldn’t even find incompetent people to work! Maybe I should have applied for a job but I didn’t want to screw up and lose a friend. In hindsight, I wish I took the risk.

Now, I’m visiting colleges to send my youngest and last child. I can pay her way and am not happy at all by what higher education has become. Still, I have to send her because everyone does it and Mrs. Competent Physicist seems to feel it is the ticket to success. While visiting a college I found a rather inspiring inscription on the sciences building. I will not repeat what it says out of fear some woke retard will insist it be taken down. Beautiful words which for now are completely meaningless to nearly everybody, safely hidden away. It will be my secret. I’m not being melodramatic, remember the monuments torn down by BLM? I’m tempted to make a pilgrimage out of those inscribed words. When I feel the need, go for a drive, pay homage, go back home. Maybe someday people will get their act together. I hope so.

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Thank you, Ilana, for saying what needs to be said and repeated over and over and over — every day, everywhere …

And it’s not just our music — but all of our Western Culture and Civilization that is so very worthy of saving and protecting — the music, the literature, the art, the architecture, the history … even the various languages and traditions that exist throughout European nations and elsewhere.

Homogenization may work for milk (and even there it’s quite debatable) … but it’s anathema to having civilization and culture and history for more than a moment.

Keep up the good work, Ilana … and, please, don’t be so scarce …

Your average whitey, even a conzo, cares more about rap music than classical.

You are correct, as usual. Nothing good is coming from the relentless negro-ization of our “culture.”

There is something deeply pathetic and embarrassing about people like that who only exist by being allowed to play a stage monkey by the protecting hand of someone or something playing with the unsavory thing. The only future for a non-talent and crudely stupid individual like that is that of a castaway, once the usefulness has passed.

Daniel Bernard Roumain could ditch the dreads and get a proper haircut. With a collared shirt and a sport coat, he could pass for a normal, contributing member of the musical community.

But that’s not his schtick.

This dude says he does not “feel safe” here in the United States. Perhaps he would “feel safer,” not to mention better integrated into a national “moral fabric,” back in his ancestral Haiti. I know for sure he would be more appropriately remunerated there.

R.C.———-It’s not just classical music and opera that’s under assault.The grandson’s middle school Christmas program featured “Jingle Bells and Jungle Drums.” I think that says it all. I remain suitably “enriched”.

In reply to your inquiry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_scale

The definition portion of this entry, especially the “circle” illustration to right, answers your question.

Here is another explanation regarding the use of sharps and flats:

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-chromatic-scale-have-both-sharps-and-flats

“When going up the chromatic scale, we use sharps. Why? Because if we used flats, we’d also have to use naturals (to cancel the flats). As in:

C -> D-flat -> D-natural -> E-flat -> E-natural…

Instead of just C -> C-sharp -> D -> D-sharp…

Using sharps when going up and flats when going down the chromatic scale minimizes the amount of symbols that have to be written down, making the sheet music easier to read and write.”

For further reference, here is also a link to the Circle of Fifths/Wheel of Fourths:

http://hubguitar.com/music-theory/the-circle-of-fifths

Hope this helped.

Cheers.

But the main thrust of his assault on the classical music world takes a different course: interjecting his hatred of Whites into his compositions.

Hate breeds hate.

Mr. Roumain should re-think his strategy.

Besides envy and hate people like Roumain are prone to what Sailer calls “black megalomania.â€�

Jews have a similar trait but are more polished. Langdon wrote about this last year.

More such absurdities are needed to wake up normies.

‘…it has “long been an argument of white supremacists, Nazis, Neo-Nazis, and racial separatists that ‘classical music,’ the music of ‘white people,’ is inherently more sophisticated, complicated, and valuable than the musical traditions of Africa, Asia, South America, or the Middle East…”

Well, it is.

Western music developed over 1,000+ years of careful, conscious study and stewardship led by the Church. Music was a devotion, to the true, the beautiful, the good. The result is not race-based beyond the fact that no other race outside of European Christian ones pursued this with such dogged determination.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that since Beethoven and the Romantics that music has become decidedly secular, to the point where the masses, motets and cantatas seem like old fashioned anachronisms. Yet, predictably, high music rather quickly lost its way after the Romantics as a direct consequence.

Great music does not come from the white man. It comes from God!

He should also stop playing the violin.That’s cultural appropriation.

“Laudatory references to White male geniuses like Beethoven inevitably trigger rage from anti-White commentators . . .”

Forgive me, but I just woke up after a twenty-year sleep. The last thing I remember before dozing off was that Beethoven was the greatest composer of all time because he was thought to have 1/128th part African ancestry or some other such genius-conferring fraction of black in his make-up. Did I miss something?

Typical. “I hate you, I despise you, but I NEED you to put me on the map. You WILL love what I have to offer, goddammit!”

Daniel Bernard Roumain is a shit-disturber. He wants YOU to change your world to suit HIS needs, not unlike another (((group))) we know. He wants to insult you while expecting you to like it, else he cries “racism”. What, it’s not enough to destroy education, but you’ve got to destroy music too?

Hey, Daniel, instead of offering up dog food, instead of trying to use force, why don’t you just write good music and shut the hell up?

What is good never requires “force”.

Better still, start up your own company, and do it without using any White man’s music.

Why can’t jews create anything that celebrates beauty, natural order and self discipline ?

So why is there an A sharp and a B flat?

I like how Jean Luc Ponty combines his classical training with jazz and some African rhythms*.
But, I forgot, how again did BIPOC contribute to the foundational development of the violin, or piano?

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When one first learns music theory, (which is analytical and therefore ‘western’) the mathematical aspects of same are overwhelming and a breath of fresh air – one has a quasi-revelation of things like, ‘so that’s why there are 12 notes/tones (or whatever) in a chromatic scale’, ‘that’s why a fifth and a tonic sound well together’, or ‘so that’s why there’s an A# scale when there’s already a B flat’, etc.
People who say music theory is ‘racist’ or ‘supremacist’ or WTF ever are the same ones who claim that math is racist.
R.C.

The same stuff happened with de-nazification after the second world war. Conductors who simply kept conducting while their nation was at war, were blacklisted and removed from their conductin positions by every ignorant and uneducated lackey on the allied side. Thus, the less talented composers were allowed to take over positions they had, in most cases, not earned. Every serious fan of classical music knows who this folks were.

The same (((people))) who promoted (& profited the most from) both World Wars are the same (((people))) who masterminded (& profited the most from) the transatlantic slave trade (the one responsible for you being here instead of your beloved Motherland Africa from which you are secretly happy to have escaped).

You already know that, don’t you.

Freud said “all homosexuals are mentally ill.” When are they gonna cancel him?
haha
BTW the most angry blacks are mixed race. Race is a big, big deal from the minute they are born.
Look at all the race hustlers half white looking.
Beethoven didn’t have to perform in his underwear to get noticed like these losers do.

Offensive tackle Trent Williams has reached a six-year $138.06 million contract with the San Francisco 49ers. This makes Williams the highest-paid offensive lineman in NFL history. Williams signed for 55 million guaranteed money and 30 million signing bonus. Top that Beethoven and all you white dudes —-

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I like my blue eyed soul music, and I won’t be deterred.

Romanticism spelled the end of art, ultimately bringing about the subjectivist junk art of late depraved modernity and its primitive celebrity worship culture. Beethoven is no hero of petty modern individualism, and certainly no Nietzschean ‘master of his own fate’. Beethoven would not have liked to be the hero of a bunch of modern out of control democratic rascals, progressive or not.

Sounds to me like there’s some green-eyed monsters lurking around the area. I sense just a smattering of butthurt from people feeling inferior to Whitey….

Thus cultural envy goes. The European nations have always had problems with war, disease, famine, etc. But the accomplishments of European cultures, particularly in western Europe, the genius of so many great thinkers, artists, architects, scientists, etc. just absolutely stick in the craw of Cultural Marxists. I find that delightful.

It’s not likely that they will succeed in dethroning Beethoven. He is the only musical composer who ever lived who has been consistently popular since he died. No other composer can say this.

If those black musicians had been interviewed about the current disparagement of Beethoven, you couldn’t print the responses.

.. and of course the late Don van Vliet. Although he awarded himself the “van” bit.
Opinions on the quality of his work are remarkably polarised.

As a very young man, when I first discovered the D-minor symphony (as I prefer to refer to the ‘ninth’ as), I was shaken to my very core by this (first) movement, and especially by the recapitulation.

I completely missed this article and the usual great comment thread. Just discovered it yesterday and scrolled through the comments, noting this comment of yours. (I imagine very few readers will even see this comment of mine.)

I had a similar experience when I first heard the 3rd movement (the adagio) of the 9th. Even 40 years later, I cannot listen to it without experiencing that same depth of emotion, it shuts me down completely.

This recording of the Chicago symphony, conducted by Muti, has over 27 million views since only 2015:

I’m not even close to being an expert on music, and would not pretend to know whether this rendition is any better than others, but the camera shots of the musicians and singers seem to indicate that they all understand they are performing something almost singularly unique.

Cheers!

yo, Truthie, when did you get this new job as Mr.Steve Sailer’s henchman?

Anyways, I doubt Steve wanted me there, you wanted me there so that you can get some dirt on the fakir who said something about “raw kaffirs”. LOL

Troof gets all his “troofs” from goddamn JewTube.

Reminds me of that goofy fuker Loup Blanc who is supposedly some retired Law Professor, swallowing the Hidden Figures Hollyweird movie, hook, line and sinker…lol

Such is the age we live in.

Malla, quickly! Steve needs your opinion on this subject…

https://www.unz.com/isteve/and-then-they-came-for-the-gandhi-statue/#comment-4438662

Yeah, Manuel Ramos had that one great moment. He actually beat Ernie Terrell and Eddie Machen before that, he was a real contender. Frazier pretty much ended him though, he got knocked out about 300 times in a row after that.

Mexicans, unlike Whites and Orientals are two faced towards Blacks only when they want to use them, NOT BECAUSE THEY FEAR THEM

Hell, Mexicans have been running Blacks out of Commiefornia for years. That’s right, White man, that little 5’8″ 150lb Mexican has more balls than you.

Well, that may be a little overrated.

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The latter is fighting to enrich himself instead of an already-rich white guy from Exxon or Mobil.

Wow good answer.
You are right, the soldier in the uniform does not know he is fighting for Exxon or Mobil. He foolishly believes he is fighting for country or ideology (spread da democracy). It is mostly after retirement that some of them realize the game. However the ghetto brotha “fighting for himself” enriches the White guys running Nike or the Jewish guys who run the basketball teams.

Again I repeat, the comparison of ghetto behaviour and warfare is stupidity. Please do not waste my time if you continue to keep on making that idiotic comparison.
The ghetto folks are in a very degraded state of culture and the Satanic elites want us all to become like them. They want us all in the ghetto, hence the spread by rich Jewish corporations and rich music moguls of ghetto culture around the world.

NOPE. I am saying that a GREAT DEAL OF WHITES ARE TWO FACE PUSSIES. I can’t speak that much on other races when it comes to this sort of behavior although I have spent a great deal of time with Mexicans and El Salvadorans, as well as Orientals. Orientals are SNEAKY as fuck and are extremely TWO FACED AS WELL, MOST have a very unfavorable opinion of Blacks and hell, most are out for their own, just like every other race but cuckold Whites. Mexicans and Blacks? Mexicans, unlike Whites and Orientals are two faced towards Blacks only when they want to use them, NOT BECAUSE THEY FEAR THEM or because they fear their people will ostracize them. Hell, Mexicans have been running Blacks out of Commiefornia for years. That’s right, White man, that little 5’8″ 150lb Mexican has more balls than you. However, I am starting to see some big Mexicans. Hey Troof, remember when Frazier fought Manuel Ramos? That was a big hombre, he even managed to stagger Frazier before being stopped in 2 rounds. I always got along good with Mexicans for some reason, never any problems, very hard working people and I admire their courage. Hell, Jose, Juan, and Miguel kind of liked ole Trinity as well. GREAT FOOD. But they are better fit for their land, just like the Oriental and Black man. God put us all in different places for a reason. And yes, I will go back to Europe just as soon as the Jews, Arabs, Pakis, East Indians, Africans, and other nonwhites go the hell back home and leave Europe. But lets be fair, it was the White man who built America and everyone knows it. More than happy to give it back to the American Indian just as soon as the Jew gives back Palestine to the Palestinians and all nonwhites leave Europe. You have my word on that one.

So, U-T, basically you are saying that everybody who is not black hates blacks because, well, they are terrible.

And also you are saying that everyone who is not black is a pussy.

So in a nutshell, everyone on the planet is either a terrible person or a sniveling pussy.

.. No wonder this world sux so much.

In PRIVATE, even people like Creepy Joe are, but in PUBLIC he sucks so much Black azz that he chokes on shit. I mean just look how he stammers and stutters trying to read off the teleprompter, he doesn’t even believe that horseshit he tries to peddle. I can not tell you how many cowardly cuckold white traitor trash POS will come up and tell me something in private about Blacks that even makes me cringe, but then they will act totally different in a public setting. I am not talking about dropping the word “nigger” in public or nothing like that, but they will just out and out suck Black azz in front of not only Blacks and other nonwhites but in the presence of nothing but Whites as well, fearful someone will think they are not putting out enough virtue signals. Whites will go and tell nonwhites and especially Blacks that this “white dude is racist,” blah, blah, blah…. lolol. PATHETIC isn’t the word for Whites like that. Blacks and other nonwhites mock them to their face and behind their backs, seen it over and over. And yet these White retards continue to make fools of themselves again and again. Those two face Whites are not fooling anyone, especially the nonwhites that they suck up to out of fear and being afraid of be ostracized as an outsider. lolol at those stupid idiots.

Everybody is repulsed by blacks.

Mann …

Thomas Mann is a great boring author. His philosophical novels are profound re ideas (some antiquated, but less than expected), but his “characters� are not alive- at least for me. For instance, Naphta & Settembrini are very much alive, but Hans Castorp is a blank slate (and the ending, with “love� is simply – bonkers). Mme. Chauchat is Mann’s idea of feminine mystique, but I’m not convinced. Others are so-so, I just didn’t care for them, dead or alive.

His Joseph’s novel I did not finish, but he was pulling my leg all the time. Made me think he deliberately plays with a reader to no effect except of boring him to death with his little bag of tricks.

Doctor Faustus is great in parts, but the whole conception is, in my opinion, radically wrong. This novel on German destiny, or Germanhood, rests on- musicology. And this is indictment of the entire German nation – just in such a bizarre form that even a most extreme literate German nationalist would be left scratching his head on (“What the hell is it all about?â€�). Mann thought he was deciphering the subtlest lineaments of the archetypal Deutschtum; and, even if such a think exists, in a theosophical sense, Mann was wrong from the get-go. His approach is wrong – the theme is archetypal, not philosophical-essayist-wisdom. Such a novel warrants a prophet, not an (imperfect) sage.

Lotte in Weimar was better & more readable, but fat old Goethe exposing some mystical Unity of Being to his old flame is, well…strange.

Musil is perhaps better as an analyst, but he, after all, lacks what the greatest sublime works (Plato, some Upanishads, Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Whitman, Nietzsche, Proust, …) irradiate- the overabundance of life, beyond the limits of time and tiresome baggage called personality.

There is a difference in between fighting for nation or ideology and fighting for some Nike corporation created trinket. Huge difference.

You’re right again Malls. The latter is fighting to enrich himself instead of an already-rich white guy from Exxon or Mobil.

Christ, I just saw this.
Here’s a hug, buddy.

Again, you do not understand, that is exactly what I meant. Ghetto blacks are kept in a lower state by design where they are so crazy about some trinket created by corporations that they are ready to kill for such bullshit. And they want the whole world to become such a ghetto. A mental ghetto.
There is a difference in between fighting for nation or ideology and fighting for some Nike corporation created trinket. Huge difference. Ask yourself this,why do those rich kikes call the ghetto folk “Liquid Cash”.
Now cool down and have some payesham.

ROTFLMMFWAO. Hell, Jewtube would take down a video if some Oriental chick was saying how she really viewed Black males. And they damn sure wouldn’t put up a video of what that senorita told me. hehe. Adios amigo. Those Korean chicks just wanted some click$ from delusional Black dudes with Yellow Fever. Good gawd, you are thick, breh. You can tell those two chicks are ACTING. You been played, SUCKA.

“passionate about his work?” That leaves out every single Black male in the world. LMAO.

Oh, I don’t know, U-T. Things might not be that simple…

The decent and normal White women, the ones who are not battling drug addiction, or emotional/mental illness or obesity, would feel great knowing that they wouldn’t have to worry about horny muh dik Black males pestering them 24/7. Even Hispanic and Oriental women are not spared from Black male muh dik. Worked with a hawt senorita and she managed the tool crib, horny Black guys would try hanging out there all day instead of doing their job. The senorita even confided in me that she hated these Black guys pestering her, poor girl wound up quitting her job because she didn’t feel safe around these predatory oversexed perverts. Sorry Troof, but don’t believe (((Madison Avenue))) or (((Hymiewood))) , most NORMAL non-Black women don’t like Black males at all. IF you only knew what that senorita told me. lololol.

IF the Troof’s own kind, his Wakanda bruthas would have sold his ancestors to the Arabs, the males would have been more than likely castrated.

…God forbid. You think white women in America are bitchy and unhappy now…?

Ghetto youfs be fightin (& at times killin) for da latest Nike’s and sheet. That is what they want the Whole World to become.

I was not talking about the “violent nature of blacks� here. I was talking about the fact that ghetto American blacks are mentally influenced to remain in a barbaric state by design by the elites.

As your mom said when you were 20 months old and you desperately wanted more pal payasam but you could not quite make yourself understood because your mind was an incomprehensible swirl of the English your Daddy spoke on the telephone for work, the Hindi you were hearing on the TV set that was playing 7 hours a day in your apartment, and the Malayalam your older brother Dasyah and Laksh used to bully you with;

“Malla, use your words!”