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�⇅All / By Chanda Chisala
    Every truly scientific proposition offers some clear empirical conditions under which it would be falsified; otherwise, it would have to be shelved under the mystical field of unfalsifiable pseudoscience. For the racial genetic hypothesis (the proposition that test score differences between blacks and whites are in part rooted in racial genetic differences), Professor Richard Lynn...
  • What you are doing is basically cherrypicking statistics. You neglect all the data that tells that you are wrong.

    I propose that you should get to know the European immigration / refugee systems better.

    Because you have just selected statistics from the one European country, that is *THE* destination for ALL the African / Asian people, who actually want to make huge money by working. UK has by far the most “immigration pressure” among European countries from people who actually want to work, educate themselves, and become rich.

    Literally the people who just want to get the benefits, prefer other countries.

    Check out France, right next door. They have allowed “pretty much anyone” from their former french-speaking colonies to come in. Because they had the law about “anyone can come into the mother country of the French empire, from within the empire”

    And that happened. France got gigantic immigration of french-speaking people. And it has pretty much ruined France utterly & completely.

    Sweden became (in their own literal definition) the “Humanitarian Superpower of the World”. They basically let in the bottom of the barrel from different catastrophe sites around the world. From Africa, Middle East, Balkans.

    And what do their statistics show? That the “Race & IQ” -theories are 100% correct.

    Sweden also took in the “low-lifes” of Finland, between ~1950-1985. The people who could not get a job in Finland. Almost identical genes compared to Sweden.

    What happened? The first generation was a complete shitshow. They were criminal as hell. It even became a meme in the Swedish media, “en finne igen” (a finnish again), when yet another Finnish drunk had killed some other finnish drunk.

    And what happened after that? What the “Race & IQ” -theories suggest, 100%. The people with finnish ancestry are now by FAR the most succesful large immigrant group in Sweden, and the only ones who get even somewhat close to the actual Swedes in income etc.

    And how are the people of similar original ilk from around the world doing? They are faar, faaaar behind in every statistic.

    If you want to really destroy your hypothesis, check out the PISA statistics for immigrants, by country of origin, in different host countries.

    The PISA scores are mostly dependent on the country of origin, not of the environment in the host country. That is crystal clear.

    What is the country with the “best performing immigrants” in PISA scores? That is Australia. The immigrants outperform the natives as a WHOLE, not just as subgroups. And who did they take in? They took in the most south-east-asians / chinese in the whole world. People who were not speaking english in their country of origin. Check out the TV program about the Australian border, and you get a sense of how bad the english is with those immigrants.

  • The fact that black immigrants to the United States have shown achievements that are superior to native black Americans has been a phenomenon studied since at least the 1970's. At first it was just the Caribbean blacks who were a subject of this unexpected outcome. As black Africans kept immigrating into the US, they showed...
  • The so-called high achievement of certain blacks at elite colleges, universities and professional schools can be attributed to affirmative action(that got them in undeservedly) and grade inflation by Leftist, anti-white professors once they got in. Affirmative action was adopted by Alfred Blumrosen (guess the ethnicity/religion), enforcement head of the EEOC in 1969. The fact that Affirmative Action is in direct contravention to the clear prohibition of racial discrimination language of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (the EEOC was created to enforce the 1964 Civil Rights Act) didn’t deter Leftist Jews like Blumrosen, and the craven Warren/Burger U. S. Supreme Court decided to give the bureaucracy “wide latitude” in interpreting the law- so wide they were allowed to contradict it’s clear and unambiguous terms! The result- inferior graduates of these so-called “elite” institutions rule tyrannically or incompetently over us(like Letitia James, attorney general of New York currently hectoring Vdare) with no ability to do their jobs, while several generations of whites( especially working class and lower middle class whites) have been deprived of the right to rise in society according to their merits. Where is the reparations for those victims of racial discrimination? This is what comes of letting Jews take over the running of our government. As Grandma said, you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, as our experience in trying to make a black class of elites has shown.

    •ï¿½LOL: son of a jedi
  • Maternal nutrition over successive generations is the driver of high i.q. populations. Japan, the Mediterranean, UK, all these island nations with year round supply of seafood provided sufficient iodine for maximum pre-natal nutrition and fetal development. Some places with access to seafood did not consume it for cultural reasons. We are a world emerging from retardation, iodine supplementation to foodstuffs only began around 100 years ago. Poor people in America do not avail themselves of pre-natal vitamins or good nutrition, which is why they are still retarded. Educated classes globally know that investing in mothers and children is the only way to prosperity.

  • @Reaper
    For the why answer is simple:

    Survival, life ability, and heritage of skills.

    African blacks need to have survival capabilities life ability and some skills to survive, or they will not.
    African Americans have affirmative action and positive discriminization instead. Also most of them cannot inherit/ learn from their the neccesary skills because such abilities and skills are reduced greatly starting from the pre-selection to slavery - then that when they were taken care of by masters - then by state/ organizations/ programs.

    Also let be honest: in the past decades in the west there were no need for survival capabilities life ability and basic skills: in the western countries the exact opposite happened and still happens: survival of the worst instead the survival of fittest.
    Migrants from 2., 3. world countries can avoid this for 1 - 3 generation but sooner or later descendants became similar to the general population.

    Replies: @TitusAlone

    I like your argument, Reaper. It gives an explanation of the other half of the observation in this article – why do American Blacks underachieve to such an extent? The author never explains this.

    There’s another factor, which I am brooding over. A theory I have. Sexual immorality might make people stupid, and strict standards of behaviour lift them up. These standards can be based on no more than superstition. Still, if they are in effect, they make a difference. In Africa, women who sleep around are regarded as trash, and given no support from anyone. It is unjust, but it preserves their family structure. Likewise, a Caribbean black person in Britain usually knows who their father is.

  • @JohnnyWalker123
    Thank you for writing this piece and presenting this data. Very well done.

    It really intrigues me that the black-white IQ gap could be so much smaller in the UK. I would've assumed that perhaps selective migration played a role in this, but Black Caribbean (BC) migrants overwhelmingly were of non-elite origins. So it's interesting to see that UK BC children are only about a third of standard deviation below the white mean.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @voxvot, @TitusAlone

    Black Caribbean (BC) migrants overwhelmingly were of non-elite origins.

    I have noticed a difference among Caribbean blacks – from either the French speaking or English speaking communities. They are much more likely to have a refinement and work ethic than American blacks. They also have more moral boundaries and stricter rules of behaviour. Those that don’t, quickly fall down the social slope and become the black pimps and drug dealers who spend a lot of time in jail.

    Is there some sort of effect of moral standards on intelligence? Do people who sleep around a lot become stupid? Seriously, I am starting to wonder about this.

  • @EdwardM
    @SFG


    Maybe only the dumber Africans got caught by slavers?
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    This was always my assumption. Perhaps the circumstances that led to African group A to successfully capture and sell into slavery members of African group B were evidence of higher intelligence in group A. So that difference has persisted among African-Americans compared to more recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Honest Abe, @Ed, @James Braxton

    And what were the other Africans doing?

    Designing cathedrals or building steam engines?

  • I’ve almost never seen such a factually-wrong and narcissistic/arrogant discussion of IQ. The affirmative-action author takes facts which point towards the correct, predominantly-genetic explanation for IQ (IQ is 90% genetic in the West) and pretends that those facts point towards a mostly environmental explanation for IQ.

    Stunning in a bad way, and disappointing that such anti-scientific and fantastical rubbish has appeared on TUR. I suspect Mr Unz agreeing with a lot of it has something to do with its appearance here – he believes IQ is mostly environmental too.

    Motivated reasoning to reach your preset and false conclusion can be a terrible thing.

  • For years, the racial IQ gap was lauded as the empirical basis for white nationalism.
    Whatever will we do without a white nation? Who will do the science? Who will be engineers? Who will conduct the research?
    Now thanks to the great work of this extremely bright African woman, the last excuses for white countries has been relegated to the dustbin. Not only are Africans just as intelligent as whites, they are in fact, totally superior intellectually, as borne out in this amazing article that is receiving tremendous praise right here on Unz Review.
    We can now all admit that Europe belongs to the Africans. Long live the Igbo!!!

    •ï¿½LOL: Excelsior!
  • @Simon in London
    @Mats

    Reversion to the ancestral population mean - a child with two parents of IQ 110, whose grandparents and great grandparents had lower IQs, will tend to have a lower IQ also. If the ancestral population mean IQ was 110 then the child will on average have a 110 IQ also.

    The result is that an Igbo child of high IQ parents will also tend to have a high IQ, whereas a child of high IQ African-American parents of typical ancestry (no paper-bag tests) will tend to have a lower IQ.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @The True Nolan

    And reversion to the mean rarely takes a single generation. Additionally if a subgroup has some specific trait (like high IQ) and they breed primarily among themselves that reversion may never happen at all.

  • Hegar says:

    >As the UK data below shows, it is very unlikely that children of immigrants from the Igbo or Yoruba groups of Nigeria or the Ashanti group of Ghana, for example, have an average IQ below the white mean IQ.

    I can add another group, the Tigre in Eritrea. (Not the neighboring “Tigrinye,” or “Tigray” which means those living in a certain region.) The Tigre long ago mixed with Arabs from across the Red Sea, and later probably with the Italians ruling the country. They have straight hair and in general finer features than other Africans – some you might guess were Indians if you saw them. They are successful in business; there are Tigre living in Jeddah in western Saudi Arabia who do very well and have Yemeni servants. (But without ever gaining citizenship, as they are not Arabs.) The women are generally attractive, and if they live in Europe they seek out Whites to marry.

  • @Carney
    @littlereddot

    Thanks, that's valuable information and context. I confess that while I was aware that China has many dozens of different ethnic groups, and that while the Han alone speak many different languages and dialects (many being mutually unintelligible at least when spoken), I had presumed that the Han were essentially ethnically homogeneous.

    Having said that, is it your contention that the northern Han are as tall, on average, as whites, or would be in identical / ideal circumstances?

    Replies: @littlereddot, @littlereddot

    Just for the fun of it, I thought I would put a few pics here to illustrate

    These are two ethnic southern Chinese leaders from Singapore:
    The man on the right is the projected new Prime Minister, Lawrence Wong. He is Cantonese and thoroughly of southern Chinese genetic makeup. His people have been there for thousands of years.
    The man on the left is the current Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong. He is Hakka and although they live next to the Cantonese, his people migrated from central China about 500 years ago.
    Now look at Lee Hsien Loong standing next to Trump and Bidenhttps://www.pmo.gov.sg/-/media/PMO/Newsroom/Images/Media-Release/2022/20220329-PM-Lee-Biden-Meet-JLS/20220329-PM-Lee-Biden-Meet-JLS_hero-jpg.ashx

    Now look at Xi Jinping, who is of northern extraction.https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022-11-14T101429Z_653976675_RC2MLX9CNKVK_RTRMADP_3_G20-SUMMIT-BIDEN-XI.jpg?resize=770%2C513&quality=80

    •ï¿½Thanks: Carney
  • @Carney
    @littlereddot

    Thanks, that's valuable information and context. I confess that while I was aware that China has many dozens of different ethnic groups, and that while the Han alone speak many different languages and dialects (many being mutually unintelligible at least when spoken), I had presumed that the Han were essentially ethnically homogeneous.

    Having said that, is it your contention that the northern Han are as tall, on average, as whites, or would be in identical / ideal circumstances?

    Replies: @littlereddot, @littlereddot

    Having said that, is it your contention that the northern Han are as tall, on average, as whites, or would be in identical / ideal circumstances?

    Potentially yes.

    Whether one’s genetic potential is reached depends on nutrition and other environmental factors.
    The effects of nutrition may cross generations. There are studies how children born in postwar England where shorter than their later generations. Apparently the trauma and deprivations during the war period even affected their children who were born after the war.

    If one tours Europe and visits their castles and museums, one would be struck by how short the suits of armour were. Note that these suits of armour clad the knights and nobility of old who came from the classes of society that had the best nutrition, and yet we consider them short. Of course the only reason why modern day observers would be struck by it, is because due to vastly better nutrition now, we consider our genetic forbears short.

    Now back to China and their recent difficult circumstance. We do not realise that the last 150 years of have been one of low periods of Chinese history, an ABERRATION. See this chart, in one glance, you can appreciate what the last 150 years mean to the Chinese.

    This period has left such a deep scar on the Chinese that they call it their Century of Humiliation. Note that this comes from a stoic people who are not given to easily or loudly complaining about their troubles. You can feel their pain when they describe their recent past as such.

    It is unfortunate that Westerners look at the last 200 years and think that China has always been like that.

    •ï¿½Thanks: Carney
  • @Anonymous54321
    Has anyone considered that there never was a gap?
    Has anyone considered that many people have no motivation to complete a test and are not invested in the outcome, and therefore are never scored accurately?

    Anyway, anyone with wisdom knows that without the ability to apply oneself having a high I.Q is meaningless and average but hard-working people achieve far more in life.

    So why the obsession and need to grade people and groups?

    Replies: @Excelsior!

    Quite right

  • Let’s begin by acknowledging a couple of kind (re)tweets from the hereditarian-HBD side on my last Unz article on IQ and race (Why Do Blacks Outperform Whites in UK Schools?): Murray tweet: Sailer tweet: After the recent death of the great James Flynn, I thought I should finally get back to writing some updated articles...
  • I do believe that there are differences in different kinds of mental abilities, based on multiple factors, like race and ethnicity

    And I also believe there are also HUGE differences between different ethnicities / nations within “races”

    For example, Nigerians clearly have outperformed the majority of other Sub-Saharan Africans in many categories, tests, statistics etc. I think it is clear that Nigerians are on average smarter based on genetics, compared to many other African groups. Similar differences can be found between South-East Asian groups, as well as European groups.

    I also claim that verbal test scores etc are heavily affected by culture & language.

    For example, in my native Finland, we get “insanely” good PISA results on “reading”. Even compared to neighbouring countries, our closest genetic relatives. And that is largely thanks due to the written language of Finnish being pretty much 100% being written as it is pronounciated.

    Competitions like “the Spelling Bee” are non-existent in Finland. I have literally never heard anyone even suggesting that somewhere should a spelling bee in Finnish be held. And that is because the competition would be completely redundant, useless in Finnish: the participating kids would just repeat the letters that the judge just had said. Almost everyone would get 100% correct, with minimal effort.

    The same can be seen in Spelling Bees Internationally: it is actually an advantage to NOT be a proficient, native speaker in some languages, because the pronounciations are so different from the written words, that knowing the language too well is bad for your performance.

    And this is why multiple non-native speakers of English, French etc have won the global spelling bees, without even actually speaking the language.

    The same goes somewhat with Scrabble: the GOAT of Scrabble, Nigel Richards, should have 0% chance of winning any French competitions, let alone the French Championship – twice!!

    But he has won, and it is partly due to him NOT being a native speaker: the pronounciation is so different compared to the written language, that actually being French from France can be a serious hindrance.

    I claim that the same phenomenom can be in play with the Nigerian / African champs, in both English & French: their local dialects / versions of the language might actually give them a competetive advantage in this game.

    In Finland, the PISA reading / language test results are clearly not generalizable to “Finnish people are just great at everything concerning language”. It is not even close to that. We do not excel in any particular way in learning or speaking other languages. We are very, very average (in European standards) in any writing/reading test that is not about reading & understanding Finnish. There are no spectacular number of Nobel Laureates in literature, succesful international authors etc in Finland. And I do not claim it is due to some discrimination. It is just mainly due to simple meritocracy: no reason for there to be any greater numbers.

    The Nigerian performance in many in many statistics is great. For example, the Nigerian immigrants do well in for example the USA. It is somewhat due to Genetic Regression to the Mean not affecting the first generation of hand-picked elite of Nigeria being “selected” to other countries.

    If the Nigerians do well even after 3-4 generations in the US, then you will have a very strong argument for high Nigerian intelligence based on genetics.

    Thus far the Genetic Regression to the Mean (of the Population) has been strong, the children of the “black elite” have regressed hard towards the mean of the larger black general population. The same has been true for income, assets, school performance, IQ tests and criminal statistics.

  • The fact that black immigrants to the United States have shown achievements that are superior to native black Americans has been a phenomenon studied since at least the 1970's. At first it was just the Caribbean blacks who were a subject of this unexpected outcome. As black Africans kept immigrating into the US, they showed...
  • @jimbojones
    Great article. My personal and 100% anecdotal observations completely coincide with the article's thesis. That is, I have seen African and European blacks do perfectly fine at the highest levels of education in tough stem disciplines.

    But I've never seen American blacks do well in even ordinary first year university technical classes.

    To put it bluntly, successful African and European black people seem to be European-minded. They have European ideals, European manners, and European aspirations.
    While "African Americans" seem to be gangsta-minded.

    Replies: @Pythas

    European blacks. So they copy and mimic off of European character trait, ya.

  • @Irving
    Being myself an Eritrean-American, I can attest to the fact that 1) Eritrean-Americans do far better than African-Americans academically and economically and that 2) this disparity is not due to selective migration. Though in the 70s and early 80s some of the Eritreans who came here were students who simply decided to overstay their visas and to settle permanently, the overwhelming majority of Eritrean-Americans, including my parents, came as refugees fleeing war and poverty. I generally have no problem with accepting the validity of HBD--that is to say, I have no problem with the idea that IQ is at least partly genetic and that the IQ differences between the races, ethnicities, genders, etc, are also at least partly genetic--but I do agree with Mr. Chisala that the experience of African immigrants in the West complicates the matter greatly.

    Replies: @Pythas

    Eritrean-American that’s an oxymoronic statement.

  • @M_Young
    Great news...Africa then should be able to develop and not swamp the UK with immigrants.

    Replies: @Ben, @Pythas

    Exactly if these negroes are so great what the hell are all these primitives doing flooding into Western countries? Because their not that great. Just look at their history in africa before Europeans went down there. You wouldn’t be impressed let me tell you.

  • Carney says:
    @littlereddot
    @Carney


    fell short of their already limited genetic potential for height.
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    You need to go to China, travel from far south then to the far north. You will realise that the "Han" are not homogeneous. The further north you go, the taller they get. The southerners are slighter, shorter, quicker and more entrepreneurial. The northers are taller, heavily built, hairier and more physically oriented. Where would you choose your soldiers from?

    Hitherto, the vast majority of Chinese immigration to the West has been from the south. What you associate with "Chinese" is southerners. For those who deem themselves a little more informed, like to use the word "Han". Even so, Westerners in general have no idea what Han means.

    Calling "Han" an ethnicity is problematic. Where did this word "Han" come from?

    About the time of the Rome, on the otherside of the Eurasian landmass was the Han dynasty of China circa 200BC to 200AD. It was roughly the same size, and existed in roughly the same time as the late Roman republic and early empire.

    Just like the Roman Empire, This Han Empire included disparate peoples with different languages and cultures. It was considered one of the golden ages of China, and its people proudly called themselves "Men of Han". The difference between between Rome and China, is that Roman Empire eventually fell and broke up.

    If the Roman Empire had continued, like China, as a contiguous polity till today, the disparate peoples would not be calling themselves "British" or "Spanish" or "Syrian", they would all be calling themselves simply "Roman". This is why very different lookin peoples can identify as "Han".

    Knowing this nutshell history,

    Can one expect a Northern Chinese to look like a southern Chinese, more than expect a Brit to look like a Syrian?

    Replies: @Carney

    Thanks, that’s valuable information and context. I confess that while I was aware that China has many dozens of different ethnic groups, and that while the Han alone speak many different languages and dialects (many being mutually unintelligible at least when spoken), I had presumed that the Han were essentially ethnically homogeneous.

    Having said that, is it your contention that the northern Han are as tall, on average, as whites, or would be in identical / ideal circumstances?

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @Carney


    Having said that, is it your contention that the northern Han are as tall, on average, as whites, or would be in identical / ideal circumstances?
    �
    Potentially yes.

    Whether one's genetic potential is reached depends on nutrition and other environmental factors.
    The effects of nutrition may cross generations. There are studies how children born in postwar England where shorter than their later generations. Apparently the trauma and deprivations during the war period even affected their children who were born after the war.

    If one tours Europe and visits their castles and museums, one would be struck by how short the suits of armour were. Note that these suits of armour clad the knights and nobility of old who came from the classes of society that had the best nutrition, and yet we consider them short. Of course the only reason why modern day observers would be struck by it, is because due to vastly better nutrition now, we consider our genetic forbears short.

    Now back to China and their recent difficult circumstance. We do not realise that the last 150 years of have been one of low periods of Chinese history, an ABERRATION. See this chart, in one glance, you can appreciate what the last 150 years mean to the Chinese.
    https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d414f304d544d77457a6333566d54/5db8b26d730742a5959f944bc1b7bd36.gif

    This period has left such a deep scar on the Chinese that they call it their Century of Humiliation. Note that this comes from a stoic people who are not given to easily or loudly complaining about their troubles. You can feel their pain when they describe their recent past as such.

    It is unfortunate that Westerners look at the last 200 years and think that China has always been like that.
    , @littlereddot
    @Carney

    Just for the fun of it, I thought I would put a few pics here to illustrate

    These are two ethnic southern Chinese leaders from Singapore:
    The man on the right is the projected new Prime Minister, Lawrence Wong. He is Cantonese and thoroughly of southern Chinese genetic makeup. His people have been there for thousands of years.
    The man on the left is the current Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong. He is Hakka and although they live next to the Cantonese, his people migrated from central China about 500 years ago.
    https://static1.straitstimes.com.sg/s3fs-public/styles/large30x20/public/articles/2022/05/14/md_lhl_14052022.jpg?VersionId=9jmvoPRWABFjJQYPOemX4MKzitGMYFKH

    Now look at Lee Hsien Loong standing next to Trump and Biden
    https://img5.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2018/06/11/PYH2018061122240034100_P4.jpg
    https://www.pmo.gov.sg/-/media/PMO/Newsroom/Images/Media-Release/2022/20220329-PM-Lee-Biden-Meet-JLS/20220329-PM-Lee-Biden-Meet-JLS_hero-jpg.ashx


    Now look at Xi Jinping, who is of northern extraction.
    https://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/29/138184102_15617829747611n.jpg
    https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022-11-14T101429Z_653976675_RC2MLX9CNKVK_RTRMADP_3_G20-SUMMIT-BIDEN-XI.jpg?resize=770%2C513&quality=80
  • @Carney
    In a large enough population, you're going to be able to find enough outliers to form a drastically unrepresentative group.

    Han Chinese are, genetically, shorter on average than whites. Most Chinese in 1972 had endured a lifetime of desperate poverty and being underfed... when they were not in fact starving to death by the millions. And thus, overall, they were, like North Koreans today, stunted in their growth and fell short of their already limited genetic potential for height.

    And yet, for Nixon's visit in 1972, Mao's regime had been able to scour the vast Chinese population for tall men, so as to impress Nixon with an honor guard of giants.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    fell short of their already limited genetic potential for height.

    You need to go to China, travel from far south then to the far north. You will realise that the “Han” are not homogeneous. The further north you go, the taller they get. The southerners are slighter, shorter, quicker and more entrepreneurial. The northers are taller, heavily built, hairier and more physically oriented. Where would you choose your soldiers from?

    Hitherto, the vast majority of Chinese immigration to the West has been from the south. What you associate with “Chinese” is southerners. For those who deem themselves a little more informed, like to use the word “Han”. Even so, Westerners in general have no idea what Han means.

    Calling “Han” an ethnicity is problematic. Where did this word “Han” come from?

    About the time of the Rome, on the otherside of the Eurasian landmass was the Han dynasty of China circa 200BC to 200AD. It was roughly the same size, and existed in roughly the same time as the late Roman republic and early empire.

    Just like the Roman Empire, This Han Empire included disparate peoples with different languages and cultures. It was considered one of the golden ages of China, and its people proudly called themselves “Men of Han”. The difference between between Rome and China, is that Roman Empire eventually fell and broke up.

    If the Roman Empire had continued, like China, as a contiguous polity till today, the disparate peoples would not be calling themselves “British” or “Spanish” or “Syrian”, they would all be calling themselves simply “Roman”. This is why very different lookin peoples can identify as “Han”.

    Knowing this nutshell history,

    Can one expect a Northern Chinese to look like a southern Chinese, more than expect a Brit to look like a Syrian?

    •ï¿½Replies: @Carney
    @littlereddot

    Thanks, that's valuable information and context. I confess that while I was aware that China has many dozens of different ethnic groups, and that while the Han alone speak many different languages and dialects (many being mutually unintelligible at least when spoken), I had presumed that the Han were essentially ethnically homogeneous.

    Having said that, is it your contention that the northern Han are as tall, on average, as whites, or would be in identical / ideal circumstances?

    Replies: @littlereddot, @littlereddot
  • Carney says:

    In a large enough population, you’re going to be able to find enough outliers to form a drastically unrepresentative group.

    Han Chinese are, genetically, shorter on average than whites. Most Chinese in 1972 had endured a lifetime of desperate poverty and being underfed… when they were not in fact starving to death by the millions. And thus, overall, they were, like North Koreans today, stunted in their growth and fell short of their already limited genetic potential for height.

    And yet, for Nixon’s visit in 1972, Mao’s regime had been able to scour the vast Chinese population for tall men, so as to impress Nixon with an honor guard of giants.

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @Carney


    fell short of their already limited genetic potential for height.
    �
    You need to go to China, travel from far south then to the far north. You will realise that the "Han" are not homogeneous. The further north you go, the taller they get. The southerners are slighter, shorter, quicker and more entrepreneurial. The northers are taller, heavily built, hairier and more physically oriented. Where would you choose your soldiers from?

    Hitherto, the vast majority of Chinese immigration to the West has been from the south. What you associate with "Chinese" is southerners. For those who deem themselves a little more informed, like to use the word "Han". Even so, Westerners in general have no idea what Han means.

    Calling "Han" an ethnicity is problematic. Where did this word "Han" come from?

    About the time of the Rome, on the otherside of the Eurasian landmass was the Han dynasty of China circa 200BC to 200AD. It was roughly the same size, and existed in roughly the same time as the late Roman republic and early empire.

    Just like the Roman Empire, This Han Empire included disparate peoples with different languages and cultures. It was considered one of the golden ages of China, and its people proudly called themselves "Men of Han". The difference between between Rome and China, is that Roman Empire eventually fell and broke up.

    If the Roman Empire had continued, like China, as a contiguous polity till today, the disparate peoples would not be calling themselves "British" or "Spanish" or "Syrian", they would all be calling themselves simply "Roman". This is why very different lookin peoples can identify as "Han".

    Knowing this nutshell history,

    Can one expect a Northern Chinese to look like a southern Chinese, more than expect a Brit to look like a Syrian?

    Replies: @Carney
  • anon[129] •ï¿½Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Who cares if Africans can be smart.
    Clearly high individual IQ has nothing to do with civilizational achievement.
    Blacks of all variations are dysfunctional and generate crime.
    We do not need them. They are not US!

    Replies: @anon

    Whose smart ? There are zero ‘black’ Fields medal winners. The nobel prizes are a worthless measure in comparison but here Jews would win. Almost all science is a teamwork affair and various graduate students or undergraduate students do much of the work transiently — then hymie takes credit. The nobels also have a political dimension to them. Meanwile all a mathematician needs is himself , a pencil, and paper but while he may use some other things as well they are not strictly necessary. A mathematician is not a team in a lab .

    We wuz Egyptianz and sheeit ! Meanwhile genetics show that the ancient Egyptians were genetically related to copts and the high priest caste of Egypt were mathematicians AFAIK. There has never been a civilization worthy of the name created by blacks (SSAs) and they can’t even maintain ones handed over to them on a silver platter by European or Chinese colonial forces.

  • Who cares if Africans can be smart.
    Clearly high individual IQ has nothing to do with civilizational achievement.
    Blacks of all variations are dysfunctional and generate crime.
    We do not need them. They are not US!

    •ï¿½Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Whose smart ? There are zero 'black' Fields medal winners. The nobel prizes are a worthless measure in comparison but here Jews would win. Almost all science is a teamwork affair and various graduate students or undergraduate students do much of the work transiently -- then hymie takes credit. The nobels also have a political dimension to them. Meanwile all a mathematician needs is himself , a pencil, and paper but while he may use some other things as well they are not strictly necessary. A mathematician is not a team in a lab .

    We wuz Egyptianz and sheeit ! Meanwhile genetics show that the ancient Egyptians were genetically related to copts and the high priest caste of Egypt were mathematicians AFAIK. There has never been a civilization worthy of the name created by blacks (SSAs) and they can't even maintain ones handed over to them on a silver platter by European or Chinese colonial forces.
  • @Abc
    @David

    Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

    Replies: @Pendragon

    Physicists who write books for laymans e.g. Michio Kaku and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are morons compared (relatively) to physicists who write literature only in specialized nomenclature for other physicists. As far as I am concerned Tyson is a moron.

  • @Lucian
    @rod1963


    Africa had a stone age civilization when the white man set foot there.
    �
    The pyramids are indeed made of stone.

    If they had all these super intelligent blacks then why didn’t they develop a civilization over the last 3000 years
    �
    Ever heard of Ancient Egypt ?

    Even to this day, there is no real discernible civilization there
    �
    Egyptians and Babylonians could have said the same about Western Europe back in ancient times.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Pendragon

    The ancients Egyptians were genetically more related to modern day Copts. They were not SSAs retard. Furthermore, mathematicians were very high in the social class structure, of Egypt, since when do SSA people or SSA derived people lead maths ? Terence Tao, Gregori Perelman, and Andrew Wiles etc… are not SSA or SSA derived genetically.

  • The whole article is mentally retarded.

    1.) The title is 100% unscientific : “The IQ Gap Is No Longer a Black and White Issue”.

    2.)’White British’ is a political term not a scientific one.

    3.)Different genetic tribes or regions in the UK would probably show differences that would be significant.

    4.)Most science outside of physics is politically motivated statistical manipulation.

    etc.. etc..

  • Has anyone considered that there never was a gap?
    Has anyone considered that many people have no motivation to complete a test and are not invested in the outcome, and therefore are never scored accurately?

    Anyway, anyone with wisdom knows that without the ability to apply oneself having a high I.Q is meaningless and average but hard-working people achieve far more in life.

    So why the obsession and need to grade people and groups?

    •ï¿½Replies: @Excelsior!
    @Anonymous54321

    Quite right
  • An Imaginary interview with Larry King. LK: So you still believe that Asians biologically mature faster than other ethnic groups in childhood and this gives them an early advantage in school? CC: Yes. East Asians, to be more specific. Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. If I am right that they mature faster, before some others catch...
  • @Jack P
    @gbs

    I think you are talking about "Jack D" not me. He comments much more than I do. Maybe I need a different username.

    I know there are white one-hit wonders too. But my point was Chang won his as a 17 year old. That's really unusual for a male athlete to peak that early.

    Andy Roddick was 23 when he won his major. The Federer era was rough for Roddick's career.

    Replies: @gbs

    My apologies for mixing up the usernames. I think 5’9″Chang was rather short for a world-class tennis player and that was his main problem for underachieving as an adult tennis player.

  • Jack P says:
    July 29, 2023 at 2:46 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @gbs
    @Jack P

    You haven't changed at all. You are still a cherry- picking asshole. I went through this nonsense with you and "Twnkie" a few weeks ago.

    How about all these WHITE tennis one-shot wonders, Thomas Johansson, Andy Roddick, Ana Ivanovic, all major names in the world of tennis but all have one thing in common, they’re all ONE- HIT wonders.

    According to our Anatoly Karlin, the BETTER indicator for PRESENT and FUTURE scientific strength for a country is the Nature Index instead of Nobel Prizes are that are LAGGING indicators rewarding scientists for what they accomplished about 20 years ago.

    Nature Index objectively measures the scientific output of institutions and countries, taking into account differences in QUALITY. Therefore, only TOP science research papers
    published in 82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals are counted.

    It seems to be Chinese research scientists from the PRC are the biggest contributing ethnic group to the Nature Index. You should also remember that a lot of Chinese research scientists work under the flag of the U.S.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @Jack P

    I think you are talking about “Jack D” not me. He comments much more than I do. Maybe I need a different username.

    I know there are white one-hit wonders too. But my point was Chang won his as a 17 year old. That’s really unusual for a male athlete to peak that early.

    Andy Roddick was 23 when he won his major. The Federer era was rough for Roddick’s career.

    •ï¿½Replies: @gbs
    @Jack P

    My apologies for mixing up the usernames. I think 5'9"Chang was rather short for a world-class tennis player and that was his main problem for underachieving as an adult tennis player.
  • @ChineseSTEM
    @gbs

    The most prolific inventors today are also East-Asian in general, and, for the U.S., their most prolific inventors are overwhelmingly East-Asian American (like the Putnams). See for instance,

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2020/

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2021/

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2022/

    Silicon Valley does have a reputation for being very Asian, after all. And according to Michio Kaku, the stupid index in the U.S. has been rising (sans the Asian-Americans, of course), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUa4LHu5kg

    Additionally, in some subfields, "Ph.D. students are overwhelmingly foreign-born" is code for overwhelmingly East-Asia/Chinese (in other contexts, Indians are overrepresented as well).

    Replies: @gbs

    Thank you very much for the links.

  • @gbs
    @Jack P

    You haven't changed at all. You are still a cherry- picking asshole. I went through this nonsense with you and "Twnkie" a few weeks ago.

    How about all these WHITE tennis one-shot wonders, Thomas Johansson, Andy Roddick, Ana Ivanovic, all major names in the world of tennis but all have one thing in common, they’re all ONE- HIT wonders.

    According to our Anatoly Karlin, the BETTER indicator for PRESENT and FUTURE scientific strength for a country is the Nature Index instead of Nobel Prizes are that are LAGGING indicators rewarding scientists for what they accomplished about 20 years ago.

    Nature Index objectively measures the scientific output of institutions and countries, taking into account differences in QUALITY. Therefore, only TOP science research papers
    published in 82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals are counted.

    It seems to be Chinese research scientists from the PRC are the biggest contributing ethnic group to the Nature Index. You should also remember that a lot of Chinese research scientists work under the flag of the U.S.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @Jack P

    The most prolific inventors today are also East-Asian in general, and, for the U.S., their most prolific inventors are overwhelmingly East-Asian American (like the Putnams). See for instance,

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2020/

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2021/

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2022/

    Silicon Valley does have a reputation for being very Asian, after all. And according to Michio Kaku, the stupid index in the U.S. has been rising (sans the Asian-Americans, of course), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUa4LHu5kg

    Video Link
    Additionally, in some subfields, “Ph.D. students are overwhelmingly foreign-born” is code for overwhelmingly East-Asia/Chinese (in other contexts, Indians are overrepresented as well).

    •ï¿½Thanks: littlereddot
    •ï¿½Replies: @gbs
    @ChineseSTEM

    Thank you very much for the links.
  • @Santoculto
    @Rahan

    Japanese tend to be different than korean and chinese specially in personality. Japanese creativity, artistically and scientifically, seems remarkably higher than these two. Maybe their insularity and some extra racial ancient element had contributed to make them unique. Interestingly two of one the greatest filmmakers in Japan were closeted gay, bissexual or suspicious (Yasugiro Ozu and Kenji Mizoguchi). Maybe is just another coincidence...

    Replies: @Flo, @Brás Cubas

    I have never encountered any reference to Kenji Mizoguchi being anything other than heterosexual. Could you provide any source for that claim of yours?

  • gbs says:
    July 24, 2023 at 7:55 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @Jack P
    @anon

    Michael Chang won a major at 17 and never won again. That's extremely unusual for a male athlete to peak that early. So who knows. I always thought Asians matured later on average physically, but they do underachieve as adults based on their high school academic standards.

    Replies: @gbs

    You haven’t changed at all. You are still a cherry- picking asshole. I went through this nonsense with you and “Twnkie” a few weeks ago.

    How about all these WHITE tennis one-shot wonders, Thomas Johansson, Andy Roddick, Ana Ivanovic, all major names in the world of tennis but all have one thing in common, they’re all ONE- HIT wonders.

    According to our Anatoly Karlin, the BETTER indicator for PRESENT and FUTURE scientific strength for a country is the Nature Index instead of Nobel Prizes are that are LAGGING indicators rewarding scientists for what they accomplished about 20 years ago.

    Nature Index objectively measures the scientific output of institutions and countries, taking into account differences in QUALITY. Therefore, only TOP science research papers
    published in 82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals are counted.

    It seems to be Chinese research scientists from the PRC are the biggest contributing ethnic group to the Nature Index. You should also remember that a lot of Chinese research scientists work under the flag of the U.S.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM
    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @gbs

    The most prolific inventors today are also East-Asian in general, and, for the U.S., their most prolific inventors are overwhelmingly East-Asian American (like the Putnams). See for instance,

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2020/

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2021/

    https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/top/top-inventors-2022/

    Silicon Valley does have a reputation for being very Asian, after all. And according to Michio Kaku, the stupid index in the U.S. has been rising (sans the Asian-Americans, of course), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUa4LHu5kg

    Additionally, in some subfields, "Ph.D. students are overwhelmingly foreign-born" is code for overwhelmingly East-Asia/Chinese (in other contexts, Indians are overrepresented as well).

    Replies: @gbs
    , @Jack P
    @gbs

    I think you are talking about "Jack D" not me. He comments much more than I do. Maybe I need a different username.

    I know there are white one-hit wonders too. But my point was Chang won his as a 17 year old. That's really unusual for a male athlete to peak that early.

    Andy Roddick was 23 when he won his major. The Federer era was rough for Roddick's career.

    Replies: @gbs
  • @anon
    @Chanda Chisala

    "I am pretty sure East Asian kids who are actually older in real age (by just a year or 2) still wouldn’t “excel†in youth basketball/football against black/white kids (I could be wrong). But in baseball, it seems their dominance would be even bigger if they used actual older kids."

    The two most widely played international sports are probably 'soccer' (i.e. football) & tennis. For what it's worth (sports not being the main thrust of the "interview"), in the most recent ITF world Junior tennis rankings, there are nine Asians in the top 100 in the boy's category & nine Asians also in the top 100 on the girls side. Thankfully, they don't list any other imaginary genders (yet). That's a consistent 18% though. Not over average. In soccer, the boy's under-17 World Cup will be staged in Indonesia this fall. In the whole history of this tournament dating back to 1985, no Asian team has ever made it past the quarter-finals. In the girl's under-17 FIFA championships going back to 2008, South Korea has won 3 out of 7 & Japan has won once; so Asian teams have won a majority in the girl's category so far; but Spain has won the last two titles, so that may be changing.

    Replies: @Jack P

    Michael Chang won a major at 17 and never won again. That’s extremely unusual for a male athlete to peak that early. So who knows. I always thought Asians matured later on average physically, but they do underachieve as adults based on their high school academic standards.

    •ï¿½Replies: @gbs
    @Jack P

    You haven't changed at all. You are still a cherry- picking asshole. I went through this nonsense with you and "Twnkie" a few weeks ago.

    How about all these WHITE tennis one-shot wonders, Thomas Johansson, Andy Roddick, Ana Ivanovic, all major names in the world of tennis but all have one thing in common, they’re all ONE- HIT wonders.

    According to our Anatoly Karlin, the BETTER indicator for PRESENT and FUTURE scientific strength for a country is the Nature Index instead of Nobel Prizes are that are LAGGING indicators rewarding scientists for what they accomplished about 20 years ago.

    Nature Index objectively measures the scientific output of institutions and countries, taking into account differences in QUALITY. Therefore, only TOP science research papers
    published in 82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals are counted.

    It seems to be Chinese research scientists from the PRC are the biggest contributing ethnic group to the Nature Index. You should also remember that a lot of Chinese research scientists work under the flag of the U.S.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @Jack P
  • @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @littlereddot

    Add this too —

    Chinese POWs begging for their lives in front of UN South Korean soldier. They were spared but most would ask to be repatriated to ROC-Taiwan. Many of the ones repatriated to PRC died in Cultural Revolution.

    https://i.postimg.cc/xdYqRG0S/image.jpg

    Replies: @littlereddot, @Deep Thought

    Many of the ones repatriated to PRC died in Cultural Revolution.

    If so, those Chinese soldiers had their honour preserved– unlike the jap emperor and his high officials:

    ý@ýýýýH in reply to Benjamin111 Hao Aug 23rd 2015, 04:58

    Benjamin111 Hao in reply to Benjamin111 Hao Aug 22nd 2015, 02:11

    I personally believe Chiang & Mao sacrificed the Chinese lives for their own selfish motives.

    Not at all. It takes a great leader to inspire his people to make so huge a sacrifice to defend their nation’s honour. The fact that Mao and Chiang did that– and in a China which was so backward at the time and also immersed in disunity– is the proof of their greatness.

    On the other hand, militarist Japan set out to conquer and to enslave the entire Asia. It failed. According to Samurai honour code those responsible, from the Japanese emperor downwards to the bottom foot-soldiers, should have committed Seppuku to redeem themselves.(http://asianhistory.about.com/od/asianhistoryfaqs/f/seppukufaq.htm). Many lower ranking Japanese soldiers did exactly that when they failed in their missions. That is the ONLY honourable way out allowed by the Samurai honour code.

    The Japanese emperor and other top-rank Japanese war criminals– in fact, the entire Japanese nation– however chose the easy way out. They either waited to be tried as war criminals or WORSE– They shamelessly chose to live under the protection of their conqueror, who became their White Emperor: http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/USWarCrime_Coverup.html

    By NOT committing Seppuku, the Japanese emperor and other top-rank Japanese officials– as well as the entire Japanese nation– had totally, utterly and shamelessly dishonoured the “Master Yamato Race” (http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/20939/Hiroshima-Day?page=2), and desecrated the Yamato-Damashii (大和魂, “Japanese spirit”) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii)!!! The current Japanese nation is the product of such shameless betrayal and desecration. It is therefore spiritually corrupt, dirty and worthless.

    Devil’s

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM
  • @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @littlereddot

    Add this too —

    Chinese POWs begging for their lives in front of UN South Korean soldier. They were spared but most would ask to be repatriated to ROC-Taiwan. Many of the ones repatriated to PRC died in Cultural Revolution.

    https://i.postimg.cc/xdYqRG0S/image.jpg

    Replies: @littlereddot, @Deep Thought

    You seem pretty triggered

  • @Myxine
    @littlereddot

    Absolutely fascinating. You looked at a chart that appears to completely confirm Chisala's hypothesis, but because of what you expected to see, you actually misinterpreted the colors to mean the opposite. And no one noticed?

    This map shows that China, Japan and Thailand have among the lowest ages for first menarche/earliest development in the world, while African countries (and the Indian region) have the highest.

    Actually, the second fact is not very strong support for Chisala, because we know malnutrition seriously retards development in general and menstruation in particular: it's well known that anorexic adult women tend to stop menstruating as well. It's a sort of safety mechanism to avoid burdening an already starving organism with an extra mouth to feed.
    So it's not surprising that African girls are such spectacularly late bloomers (16+ in Ethiopia!) But it doesn't necessarily mean they would not develop later than most even if malnutrition were solved. Indeed, a population selected for surviving famine over the generations might be adapted to delay pregnancy on a genetic level, until after their growth spurt is over for example. But this is just supposition.

    On the other hand, nutrition does not explain why East Asian girls are the earliest bloomers. Indeed, despite China's progress in recent decades, it should have looked more like India before the 21st century, malnutrition was quite common in rural areas. Thailand isn't a very wealthy country either.
    And Japan is among the thinnest countries in the world, their girls certainly aren't getting more calories than North Americans. I'm surprised there's no apparent anorexia effect there, even.
    I'm also surprised that South Korea goes against the East Asian trend. It could be that the data is very old (the map says 1967-2013, I don't know if that means the oldest studies are from 1967 or they surveyed women born between 1967 and 2013 or what), but before the SK "economic miracle" SK was more in line with developing countries of the time so that could explain it.

    In any case, hope that's some food for thought for you.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    You are right. Mea culpa.

    I stand corrected

  • @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @ChineseSTEM

    If you are a Chinese ethnic who can't speak the language, that's pretty sad, you can't even communicate with your academic peers.

    If you are not of Chinese ethnicity, its just creepy that you are here impostering as one shilling for the standard Chicom talking points, and instigating intra-East Asian enmity.

    The rest of your comments are a bunch of strawman that I never argued for. The modern West generalize and extended Greek mathematics, I agree. I didn't make those remarks comparing ancient Greek to Chinese mathematics; or about Chinese students being test-taking machines, Yau did.

    Good for Yau that he went back to PRC, I hope he fulfill his mission. Qian Xuesen did career-wise, but however barely made it through Cultural Revolution, saving his own skin by throwing his colleagues under the bus.

    This one was less fortunate, he stole classified petroleum engineering secrets from the US and took it back to PRC. During Cultural Revolution he was purged and his whole family died horribly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Guangyan

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    You’re not mathematically literate, yet feel the need to comment on the state of modern mathematics boasting of increasingly extensive Chinese influences (not unlike the Jewish counterparts once upon a time). And yet again you would like to insist on the West’s sole involvement in modern mathematics despite the many posts previously demonstrating the increasingly exaggerated Chinese influences, like a broken record. And, I see you managed to write more than a few sentences – you do fit the stereotype of a simple regurgitating robot who can merely hold on to the rote-memorized primitive stereotypes of the past few decades, one can’t help but wonder what East-Asia culture would produce such obedient simple automatons that lack in creativity and critical thinking ability (pseudo-Imperial-Japanese is a candidate).

    If someone like you, as a mathematical illiterate, actually feels the need to comment on the modern state of mathematics just so to insist on Sinophobia, the future of Japan is truly thoroughly fucked as the sub 17 million Gen Z Japanese are obliterated in any potential conflict against the 230 million plus Gen Z Chinese – I see Gen Z Chinese are the most self-confident demographic of the PRC (the demographic that is better than Gen Z Japanese in every single way, of higher average quality, and of much more exaggerated tail-ends), and they seem quite willing to oblige another confrontation with the cave people of the Japanese archipelago. Yet, now that Japan is pathetic and limp, suddenly it has become so peaceful as it boasts the highest rate of serial killers per capita of all of East-Asia, the country that creepily allows a cannibal to roam free as he published disturbing books on his acts of cannibalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa).

    Truly, strength is the only language that this inbred island understands, and such was the language communicated by the Sinosphere for thousands of years. I’m glad the Sino civilization has returned, for the sake of humanity, while Japan can only dream of its failures of attempting to fraudulently hijack the Sino civilization’s status of “civilized” once upon a time.

  • @ChineseSTEM
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    It is true that the Greeks had demonstrated much purer interpretations of subfields of geometry, however, as a result, the Greeks had imposed significant limitations on their corresponding developments in areas such as arithmetic and thus analysis. Indeed, many mathematicians during the Newtonian period, despite the romanticization of the style of Greek axiomatic mathematics, almost none had adopted such approaches and had rapidly proceeded in using the diversity of mathematics as transmitted from elsewhere including the principally important Persian algebra that had allowed the mathematical scope to be expanded significantly. The limitations as imposed by the rigors of Greek axiomatic mathematics is an opinion espoused by Richard Courant, along with a number of mathematicians. For example, from Courant and John's Introduction to Calculus and Analysis: Volume I,

    Ingenious pioneers vastly extending the scope of mathematics could not be hampered by having to subject the new discoveries to consistent logical analysis and thus in the seventeenth century an invocation of intuitive evidence became a widely used substitute for deductive proof.
    �
    One must insist here that applied mathematics traditionally had greatly informed mathematical developments, and thus, that the applied mathematical developments of the Chinese, Persian, and Indian subcultures have driven forward many of these subfields which would eventually form the foundations of more modern subfields of mathematics as in some area of prototypical-infinitesimal analysis (to be contrasted from the analysis of Cauchy, let alone the analysis of the 20th-century). As Courant states, from Courant and Hilbert's Methods of Mathematical Physics: Volume I,

    Since the seventeenth century, physical intuition has served as a vital source for mathematical problems and methods. Recent trends and fashions have, however, weakened the connection between mathematics and physics; mathematicians, turning away from the roots of mathematics in intuition, have concentrated on refinement and emphasized the populational side of mathematics, and at times have overlooked the unity of their science with physics and other fields. In many cases, physicists have ceased to appreciate the attitudes of mathematicians. This rift is unquestionably a serious threat to science as a whole; the broad stream of scientific development may split into small and smaller rivulets and dry out. It seems therefore important to direct our efforts toward reuniting divergent trends by clarifying the common features and interconnections of many distinct and divers scientific facts. Only thus can the student attain some mastery of material and the basis be prepared for further organic development of research.
    �
    To emphasize, from certain perspectives, whereas the axiomatic style may appear to be somewhat pedantic and lacking in vision, the style of mathematics as informed by reality, one that reveals an associative intelligence, is sometimes interpreted to be more expansive in demonstrated scope and vision. Such was exactly demonstrated by the many Chinese mathematicians of the Chern subculture including in topics of Finsler differential geometry, when a number of Chinese mathematicians have realized the more expansive scope of the Finslerian setting over the Riemannian setting and the great significance of Finsler differential geometry in its further applications in areas such as variational analysis. And, in the modern history of the United States, it was principally the Chinese and Jewish counterparts who had demonstrated sufficient grandeur in their vision and scope so as to be able to engage not merely with advanced pure mathematical subfields including those of differential geometry, algebraic geometry, algebraic topology, etc., but advanced mathematical physics (compare with those from the British subculture, for instance, Yau versus Stephen Hawking - for these British counterparts, they were unable to pursue these sophisticated topics and can at best pursue already fleshed-out areas of mathematical physics or low-hanging fruits of mathematical physics, as opposed to a style of theoretical physics that is not as mathematically intensive as mathematical physics).

    Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe. As you fantasize over delusional narratives of Chinese scope-limitation in the history of mathematics despite the complete opposite being true (as opposed to hiding away with an autistic insistence on isolated pure mathematical subfields using already developed mathematical infrastructure as was done by Andrew Wiles). Despite being stupid, uneducated, and ignorant, you demonstrate quite the free comfortability with stating explicit falsehoods, like others, just so you can hold on to your retarded Sinophobic beliefs.

    Incidentally, Yau describes Chinese students as being treated as test-taking machines in certain settings, which is the case throughout the entire world - and one reason is simply because counterparts like Yau prize creativity to a significantly greater extent as one of the most creative mathematicians of the 20th-century in demonstration of one of the greatest scope over a number of subfields. However, for the IMO tests and the PISA tests that penalize rote memorizers and regurgitators (where creativity and problem-solving abilities are prized), the PRC and East-China in particularly completely dominated the entire world by heads and shoulders. You would probably do trash in such tests that penalize rote memorizers since all you can do is spew out the same repeated rote-memorized BS, like a robot, always just the few imbecilic sentences, like Chandra.

    Today, Yau has returned to the PRC and will assist the next generations of PRC mathematicians and STEM human capital. While Sinophobic shitbags such as yourself, having barely accomplished anything in their lives, dream of a time when Chinese counterparts are still living in the dirt.

    Replies: @d dan, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    If you are a Chinese ethnic who can’t speak the language, that’s pretty sad, you can’t even communicate with your academic peers.

    If you are not of Chinese ethnicity, its just creepy that you are here impostering as one shilling for the standard Chicom talking points, and instigating intra-East Asian enmity.

    The rest of your comments are a bunch of strawman that I never argued for. The modern West generalize and extended Greek mathematics, I agree. I didn’t make those remarks comparing ancient Greek to Chinese mathematics; or about Chinese students being test-taking machines, Yau did.

    Good for Yau that he went back to PRC, I hope he fulfill his mission. Qian Xuesen did career-wise, but however barely made it through Cultural Revolution, saving his own skin by throwing his colleagues under the bus.

    This one was less fortunate, he stole classified petroleum engineering secrets from the US and took it back to PRC. During Cultural Revolution he was purged and his whole family died horribly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Guangyan

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    You're not mathematically literate, yet feel the need to comment on the state of modern mathematics boasting of increasingly extensive Chinese influences (not unlike the Jewish counterparts once upon a time). And yet again you would like to insist on the West's sole involvement in modern mathematics despite the many posts previously demonstrating the increasingly exaggerated Chinese influences, like a broken record. And, I see you managed to write more than a few sentences - you do fit the stereotype of a simple regurgitating robot who can merely hold on to the rote-memorized primitive stereotypes of the past few decades, one can't help but wonder what East-Asia culture would produce such obedient simple automatons that lack in creativity and critical thinking ability (pseudo-Imperial-Japanese is a candidate).

    If someone like you, as a mathematical illiterate, actually feels the need to comment on the modern state of mathematics just so to insist on Sinophobia, the future of Japan is truly thoroughly fucked as the sub 17 million Gen Z Japanese are obliterated in any potential conflict against the 230 million plus Gen Z Chinese - I see Gen Z Chinese are the most self-confident demographic of the PRC (the demographic that is better than Gen Z Japanese in every single way, of higher average quality, and of much more exaggerated tail-ends), and they seem quite willing to oblige another confrontation with the cave people of the Japanese archipelago. Yet, now that Japan is pathetic and limp, suddenly it has become so peaceful as it boasts the highest rate of serial killers per capita of all of East-Asia, the country that creepily allows a cannibal to roam free as he published disturbing books on his acts of cannibalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa).

    Truly, strength is the only language that this inbred island understands, and such was the language communicated by the Sinosphere for thousands of years. I'm glad the Sino civilization has returned, for the sake of humanity, while Japan can only dream of its failures of attempting to fraudulently hijack the Sino civilization's status of "civilized" once upon a time.
  • @littlereddot
    @ChineseSTEM

    LOL, love your photo essay. With these few pics, you have presented an equivalent of 10,000 words, and with even more impact!

    I hope you put it up on your blog or website if you have one.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Add this too —

    Chinese POWs begging for their lives in front of UN South Korean soldier. They were spared but most would ask to be repatriated to ROC-Taiwan. Many of the ones repatriated to PRC died in Cultural Revolution.

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    You seem pretty triggered
    , @Deep Thought
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Many of the ones repatriated to PRC died in Cultural Revolution.
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    If so, those Chinese soldiers had their honour preserved-- unlike the jap emperor and his high officials:

    ý@ýýýýH in reply to Benjamin111 Hao Aug 23rd 2015, 04:58

    Benjamin111 Hao in reply to Benjamin111 Hao Aug 22nd 2015, 02:11

    I personally believe Chiang & Mao sacrificed the Chinese lives for their own selfish motives.
    �
    Not at all. It takes a great leader to inspire his people to make so huge a sacrifice to defend their nation's honour. The fact that Mao and Chiang did that-- and in a China which was so backward at the time and also immersed in disunity-- is the proof of their greatness.

    On the other hand, militarist Japan set out to conquer and to enslave the entire Asia. It failed. According to Samurai honour code those responsible, from the Japanese emperor downwards to the bottom foot-soldiers, should have committed Seppuku to redeem themselves.(http://asianhistory.about.com/od/asianhistoryfaqs/f/seppukufaq.htm). Many lower ranking Japanese soldiers did exactly that when they failed in their missions. That is the ONLY honourable way out allowed by the Samurai honour code.

    The Japanese emperor and other top-rank Japanese war criminals-- in fact, the entire Japanese nation-- however chose the easy way out. They either waited to be tried as war criminals or WORSE-- They shamelessly chose to live under the protection of their conqueror, who became their White Emperor: http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarCrimes/USWarCrime_Coverup.html

    By NOT committing Seppuku, the Japanese emperor and other top-rank Japanese officials-- as well as the entire Japanese nation-- had totally, utterly and shamelessly dishonoured the "Master Yamato Race" (http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/20939/Hiroshima-Day?page=2), and desecrated the Yamato-Damashii (大和魂, "Japanese spirit") (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii)!!! The current Japanese nation is the product of such shameless betrayal and desecration. It is therefore spiritually corrupt, dirty and worthless.

    Devil's
    �
  • Myxine says:
    July 23, 2023 at 4:37 pm GMT •ï¿½300 Words
    @littlereddot
    I could not find a meaningful chart showing age of puberty by race, so here is Age of menarche/onset of menstruation by country. It appears that East Asians are late developers, rather than early.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332519839/figure/fig1/AS:749249788657666@1555646478869/Global-distribution-of-the-dependent-covariate-mean-age-at-menarche-for-89-countries.png

    Replies: @che guava, @Myxine

    Absolutely fascinating. You looked at a chart that appears to completely confirm Chisala’s hypothesis, but because of what you expected to see, you actually misinterpreted the colors to mean the opposite. And no one noticed?

    This map shows that China, Japan and Thailand have among the lowest ages for first menarche/earliest development in the world, while African countries (and the Indian region) have the highest.

    Actually, the second fact is not very strong support for Chisala, because we know malnutrition seriously retards development in general and menstruation in particular: it’s well known that anorexic adult women tend to stop menstruating as well. It’s a sort of safety mechanism to avoid burdening an already starving organism with an extra mouth to feed.
    So it’s not surprising that African girls are such spectacularly late bloomers (16+ in Ethiopia!) But it doesn’t necessarily mean they would not develop later than most even if malnutrition were solved. Indeed, a population selected for surviving famine over the generations might be adapted to delay pregnancy on a genetic level, until after their growth spurt is over for example. But this is just supposition.

    On the other hand, nutrition does not explain why East Asian girls are the earliest bloomers. Indeed, despite China’s progress in recent decades, it should have looked more like India before the 21st century, malnutrition was quite common in rural areas. Thailand isn’t a very wealthy country either.
    And Japan is among the thinnest countries in the world, their girls certainly aren’t getting more calories than North Americans. I’m surprised there’s no apparent anorexia effect there, even.
    I’m also surprised that South Korea goes against the East Asian trend. It could be that the data is very old (the map says 1967-2013, I don’t know if that means the oldest studies are from 1967 or they surveyed women born between 1967 and 2013 or what), but before the SK “economic miracle” SK was more in line with developing countries of the time so that could explain it.

    In any case, hope that’s some food for thought for you.

    •ï¿½Thanks: Chanda Chisala
    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @Myxine

    You are right. Mea culpa.

    I stand corrected
  • @CCG
    @ChineseSTEM

    Thanks for the response. Yes, it's the same Cédric Villani. He abandoned his full-time mathematical quest (for the regularity of the solution of the Boltzmann equation) in 2017 to become an embarrassment in French politics, first as a Macron stooge and then as an ageing male Greta Thunberg. Now he's at fault with a lot of other French politicians for not being honest with the French public about the various harmful side effects of the COVID vaccines.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    That’s unfortunate if true. Although I do not necessarily hold such strong opinions regarding the contrasts that exist between more conventional methods and less conventional methods in the context of vaccination, one can at least notice that certain subcultures of the medical sciences have been whipped into a frenzy in recent times, in part due to the contamination and corruption that had come from major private entities such as Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson, the very same private entities that were principally responsible for the drug epidemic in the U.S. while Washington tries to find a scapegoat elsewhere.

    Note, one issue with the “rushing of new methods” comes in the lack of high-quality longitudinal meta-analysis, the very approach that has introduced significantly greater rigor into the medical sciences in recent times due in part to the increasingly explicit exhibition of the law of large numbers.

    Yet, I am unaware of the medical community trying to hide the phenomenon of, for instance, increased risks of various cardiovascular consequences as associated with these new vaccines, for example, The Lancet is a high-quality peer-reviewed journal that is ranked well by the likes of Scimago (https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php?category=2701), and one can find such phenomena as discussed as in examples such as https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00842-X/fulltext or https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00063-9/fulltext. The convention is merely to recognize the rarity, where Western media may have twisted such conventions thus painting many persons as conspiracy theorists.

    It would appear that Villani may have recognized the increased risks of certain kinds of cardiovascular consequences according to the blog post that I am in no position to verify, and that he may implicitly hold the same conventional opinion, that such increased risk is still exceptionally rare (although those who had actually suffered the symptoms may not necessarily interpret such “rarity” in the same way) – and that an implicit cost-benefit analysis was suggested thus the comparison of 15,000 versus 100. Note that such issues are not unknown and are conventionally recognized in medicine – that, as an extreme illustration, medical malpractice is the leading cause of death in the United States (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us).

    And, regarding a “cost-benefit” analysis, personally, I merely went for the conventional Sinopharm vaccine.

    Some interesting excerpts,

    .) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00842-X/fulltext

    In The Lancet, Hui-Lee Wong and colleagues robustly replicate the previous findings using large-scale US health plan claims data. Notably, the new study uses data from four health plan databases, covering more than 100 million individuals. Of these, 15 148 369 were aged 18–64 years and registered to have received a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (53·1% male and 13·0% aged 18–25 years). Similar to previous studies, Wong and colleagues observed higher than expected rates of myocarditis (and pericarditis, a closely related clinical presentation), specifically in individuals younger than 35 years, with the highest risk among men aged 18–25 years after their second COVID-19 mRNA vaccine dose.

    Although the long-term outcomes of vaccine-associated myocarditis and pericarditis are unclear, the current knowledge on the short-term clinical trajectories are reassuring. The clinical presentations of myocarditis after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination have been predominantly mild and few patients have required intensive treatment.9
    However, one case-series, published in 2022, of adolescent patients found a persistence of radiographic abnormalities at follow-up examinations, which could be cause for concern.11
    However, the patients followed up had excellent clinical outcomes, suggesting minimal chronic morbidity attributable to vaccine-associated myocarditis. Nevertheless, the continuous surveillance of this patient group for any increased frequency of heart failure, sudden death, or related cardiac comorbidities is necessary.

    .) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00063-9/fulltext

    A total of 8,924,614 doses of BNT162b2 and 6,129,852 doses of CoronaVac were administered from February 2021 to March 2022. The SCCS detected increased carditis risks after BNT162b2: 4.48 (95%confidence interval [CI]:2.99–6.70] in 1–14 days and 2.50 (95%CI:1.43–4.38) in 15–28 days after first dose; 10.81 (95%CI:7.63–15.32) in 1–14 days and 2.95 (95%CI:1.82–4.78) in 15–28 days after second dose; 4.72 (95%CI:1.40–15.97) in 1–14 days after third dose. Consistent results were observed from the case–control study. Risks were specifically found in people aged below 30 years and males. No significant risk increase was observed after CoronaVac in all primary analyses.

    BNT162b2 is, of course, none other than the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine (https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-can-take-the-pfizer-biontech-covid-19--vaccine-what-you-need-to-know). Indeed, even the WHO website acknowledges the risk of myocarditis – it is clarified however the risk mild. But, one would think that human beings should have the right to not gamble and go for conventional alternatives as I had enjoyed with the Sinopharm alternative.

  • @Deep Thought
    @xcd


    ... believe they are from a special race that is being wronged, in one way or another, by everyone else who are their mental, moral or physical inferiors.
    �
    You might have missed the following story I posted:

    A teacher in an International School noticed a white student and a Chinese student fighting. He rushed over and demanded to know why. The white student immediately pointed his accusing finger at the Chinese and said, in righteous indignation, "It started when he fought BACK!"

    Well, if you dare to fight back you have committed aggression against that "special white race"!

    Replies: @xcd

    Also see comment #122 on the same hypocrisy. This tends to go hand in hand with ignorance and insecurity in the locals. They offer the special ones an express path in tourism, martial arts, fine arts, religious learning, etc.

    •ï¿½Thanks: Deep Thought
  • CCG says:
    July 23, 2023 at 8:46 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @ChineseSTEM
    You can see Cedric Villani in this photobook: https://francechinafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FCF-book-session-2016-Zhengzhou-P%C3%A9kin.pdf

    He appears on page 20 in the middle of the photo, the photo was taken in Zhengzhou. He wears the typical exaggerated tie that one expects. He reminds me a little of the various French mathematicians who have shown surprising involvement in the history of Chinese mathematics, including Michel Emery (who had specialized in stochastic manifolds and had coordinated courses on stochastic manifolds in collaboration with Chinese mathematicians in both France and China), and Philippe G. Ciarlet, the author of the popular Linear and Nonlinear Functional Analysis with Applications (Ciarlet was based in HK SAR of China for some time and had won awards from Chinese institutions). I essentially wanted to subtlety indicate the existence of these Sinophilic mathematicians who were driven by interests of people-to-people exchanges in part due to the soft power projection of the PRC in mathematics - ever since Leibniz.

    Cédric Villani: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9dric_Villani
    Philippe G. Ciarlet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_G._Ciarlet
    Michel Emery the author of: https://www.amazon.com/Stochastic-Calculus-Manifolds-Universitext-Michel/dp/3540516646

    Replies: @CCG

    Thanks for the response. Yes, it’s the same Cédric Villani. He abandoned his full-time mathematical quest (for the regularity of the solution of the Boltzmann equation) in 2017 to become an embarrassment in French politics, first as a Macron stooge and then as an ageing male Greta Thunberg. Now he’s at fault with a lot of other French politicians for not being honest with the French public about the various harmful side effects of the COVID vaccines.

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @CCG

    That's unfortunate if true. Although I do not necessarily hold such strong opinions regarding the contrasts that exist between more conventional methods and less conventional methods in the context of vaccination, one can at least notice that certain subcultures of the medical sciences have been whipped into a frenzy in recent times, in part due to the contamination and corruption that had come from major private entities such as Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson, the very same private entities that were principally responsible for the drug epidemic in the U.S. while Washington tries to find a scapegoat elsewhere.

    Note, one issue with the "rushing of new methods" comes in the lack of high-quality longitudinal meta-analysis, the very approach that has introduced significantly greater rigor into the medical sciences in recent times due in part to the increasingly explicit exhibition of the law of large numbers.

    Yet, I am unaware of the medical community trying to hide the phenomenon of, for instance, increased risks of various cardiovascular consequences as associated with these new vaccines, for example, The Lancet is a high-quality peer-reviewed journal that is ranked well by the likes of Scimago (https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php?category=2701), and one can find such phenomena as discussed as in examples such as https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00842-X/fulltext or https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00063-9/fulltext. The convention is merely to recognize the rarity, where Western media may have twisted such conventions thus painting many persons as conspiracy theorists.

    It would appear that Villani may have recognized the increased risks of certain kinds of cardiovascular consequences according to the blog post that I am in no position to verify, and that he may implicitly hold the same conventional opinion, that such increased risk is still exceptionally rare (although those who had actually suffered the symptoms may not necessarily interpret such "rarity" in the same way) - and that an implicit cost-benefit analysis was suggested thus the comparison of 15,000 versus 100. Note that such issues are not unknown and are conventionally recognized in medicine - that, as an extreme illustration, medical malpractice is the leading cause of death in the United States (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us).

    And, regarding a "cost-benefit" analysis, personally, I merely went for the conventional Sinopharm vaccine.

    ---

    Some interesting excerpts,

    .) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00842-X/fulltext

    In The Lancet, Hui-Lee Wong and colleagues robustly replicate the previous findings using large-scale US health plan claims data. Notably, the new study uses data from four health plan databases, covering more than 100 million individuals. Of these, 15 148 369 were aged 18–64 years and registered to have received a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (53·1% male and 13·0% aged 18–25 years). Similar to previous studies, Wong and colleagues observed higher than expected rates of myocarditis (and pericarditis, a closely related clinical presentation), specifically in individuals younger than 35 years, with the highest risk among men aged 18–25 years after their second COVID-19 mRNA vaccine dose.

    ...

    Although the long-term outcomes of vaccine-associated myocarditis and pericarditis are unclear, the current knowledge on the short-term clinical trajectories are reassuring. The clinical presentations of myocarditis after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination have been predominantly mild and few patients have required intensive treatment.9
    However, one case-series, published in 2022, of adolescent patients found a persistence of radiographic abnormalities at follow-up examinations, which could be cause for concern.11
    However, the patients followed up had excellent clinical outcomes, suggesting minimal chronic morbidity attributable to vaccine-associated myocarditis. Nevertheless, the continuous surveillance of this patient group for any increased frequency of heart failure, sudden death, or related cardiac comorbidities is necessary.
    �
    .) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00063-9/fulltext

    A total of 8,924,614 doses of BNT162b2 and 6,129,852 doses of CoronaVac were administered from February 2021 to March 2022. The SCCS detected increased carditis risks after BNT162b2: 4.48 (95%confidence interval [CI]:2.99–6.70] in 1–14 days and 2.50 (95%CI:1.43–4.38) in 15–28 days after first dose; 10.81 (95%CI:7.63–15.32) in 1–14 days and 2.95 (95%CI:1.82–4.78) in 15–28 days after second dose; 4.72 (95%CI:1.40–15.97) in 1–14 days after third dose. Consistent results were observed from the case–control study. Risks were specifically found in people aged below 30 years and males. No significant risk increase was observed after CoronaVac in all primary analyses.
    �
    BNT162b2 is, of course, none other than the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine (https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-can-take-the-pfizer-biontech-covid-19--vaccine-what-you-need-to-know). Indeed, even the WHO website acknowledges the risk of myocarditis - it is clarified however the risk mild. But, one would think that human beings should have the right to not gamble and go for conventional alternatives as I had enjoyed with the Sinopharm alternative.
  • You can see Cedric Villani in this photobook: https://francechinafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FCF-book-session-2016-Zhengzhou-P%C3%A9kin.pdf

    He appears on page 20 in the middle of the photo, the photo was taken in Zhengzhou. He wears the typical exaggerated tie that one expects. He reminds me a little of the various French mathematicians who have shown surprising involvement in the history of Chinese mathematics, including Michel Emery (who had specialized in stochastic manifolds and had coordinated courses on stochastic manifolds in collaboration with Chinese mathematicians in both France and China), and Philippe G. Ciarlet, the author of the popular Linear and Nonlinear Functional Analysis with Applications (Ciarlet was based in HK SAR of China for some time and had won awards from Chinese institutions). I essentially wanted to subtlety indicate the existence of these Sinophilic mathematicians who were driven by interests of people-to-people exchanges in part due to the soft power projection of the PRC in mathematics – ever since Leibniz.

    Cédric Villani: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9dric_Villani
    Philippe G. Ciarlet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_G._Ciarlet
    Michel Emery the author of: https://www.amazon.com/Stochastic-Calculus-Manifolds-Universitext-Michel/dp/3540516646

    •ï¿½Replies: @CCG
    @ChineseSTEM

    Thanks for the response. Yes, it's the same Cédric Villani. He abandoned his full-time mathematical quest (for the regularity of the solution of the Boltzmann equation) in 2017 to become an embarrassment in French politics, first as a Macron stooge and then as an ageing male Greta Thunberg. Now he's at fault with a lot of other French politicians for not being honest with the French public about the various harmful side effects of the COVID vaccines.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
  • @ChineseSTEM
    @Chebyshev

    And regarding economics, one can unfortunately identify many subcultures of "academic" economics that are unnecessarily qualitative and thus demonstrate to be subjective in their interpretations of what is supposed to constitute "quality". There are of course the more rigorous mathematical/quantitative interpretations of economics including in the works of Kantorovich, a Russian-Jew who had investigated, using mathematical methods and methods of functional analysis, optimizations of economic systems that might have communistic/socialistic flairs. Yet, these days, it is difficult to say whether various matured economists are even in a position so as to be able to judge the quality of certain advanced economic mathematical models since many of these matured economists are untrained in many of the various mathematical subfields as in subfields of stochastical analysis, functional analysis, variational analysis, the theory of optimal transport, and so on and on (e.g., the French Field Medalist Cedric Villani had written an exposition concerning the theory of optimal transport, the Cedric Villani who is incidentally also a member of the strategic committee of the France China Foundation, etc.).

    Furthermore, many American counterparts won't even acknowledge or recognize the tremendous economic successes of the PRC in a grounded setting, in reality. As the PRC demonstrates a growth rate that is an order of magnitude greater than that of the U.S. moving through the year 2023, there are still many American counterparts who inappropriately imply that the PRC economy is on the verge of collapse.

    In the same way, many biologists including those who are very much matured and whose backgrounds were wholly qualitative tend to find it very difficult to engage with certain topics of mathematical biology and computational biology. Note that the most advanced topics of stochastic differential geometry, as an example, can be applied immediately in biology today, yet, many biologists will lack such levels of mathematical education - they are biologists, after all, not mathematicians.

    As it stands currently, I do not interpret the processes with which potential Nobel Laureates are nominated to be rigorous or appropriate, especially not so in economics and biology (more officially, the Nobel Prize pertaining to "physiology/medicine"). However, the Nobel Peace Prize is even worse where Barrack Obama had actually won the prize. Incidentally, Japanese counterparts had nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Replies: @Chebyshev, @CCG

    French Field Medalist Cedric Villani had written an exposition concerning the theory of optimal transport, the Cedric Villani who is incidentally also a member of the strategic committee of the France China Foundation, etc.

    Are you talking about this Cédric Villani?
    https://pgibertie.com/2023/04/24/deputes-et-senateurs-savaient-mais-ils-ont-sacrifie-la-sante-des-francais-les-aveux-pitoyables-de-villani/

  • @xcd
    @tamo

    82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals

    We should be wary of even these journals. Remember how 2 top medical journals dealt with invermectin as treatment for covid.

    Replies: @gbs

    Sometimes even God makes mistakes. He created you.

  • @xcd
    @tamo

    But least, US astronauts are supermen who can give interviews on landing, even after weeks or months in orbit, unlike others who can barely move and may be taken to hospital. ;-)

    Replies: @gbs

    On the other hand, those American astronaut “supermen” couldn’t cope with the Chinese 9-9-6 work culture and quit after 72 hours.

  • @tamo
    @Chanda Chisala

    Instead of considering patents, a better indication of a nation's QUALITY innovation ability is the Nature Index.

    Nature Index objectively measures the scientific output of institutions and countries, taking into account differences in QUALITY. Therefore, ONLY TOP science research papers
    published in 82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals are counted.

    According to the Nature Index of 2023. among the Top 25 research institutions in the world, China came in 1st with 10 institutions and the 2nd place America has 6 institutions.

    By the way, Chinese Academy of Science came in 1st and America's Harvard University came in 2nd
    and University of Chinese Academy of Sciences came in 5th and Stanford University came in 6th.

    So according to the Nature Index , Harvard and Stanford are the best research institutions in America in 2023.
    Also you should remember that a lot of Chinese scientists do research works in American institutions.

    Replies: @Chanda Chisala, @xcd

    82 HIGH-QUALITY selected science journals

    We should be wary of even these journals. Remember how 2 top medical journals dealt with invermectin as treatment for covid.

    •ï¿½Replies: @gbs
    @xcd

    Sometimes even God makes mistakes. He created you.
  • @tamo
    @che guava

    Hey boy, you are full of shit. Chinese NEVER claimed they had invented the helicopter but only the helicopter top, a toy, which in the 18th and early 19th centuries Western scientists developed flying machines based on the Chinese toy.

    The turtle ship was developed during Joseon dynasty NOT in Koryeo dynasty. Koreans NEVER claimed they had invented the submarine.

    How about American space shuttle Challenger disaster?
    On January 28, 1986, the Space Shuttle Challenger broke apart 73 seconds into its flight, killing all seven crew members aboard.

    Replies: @che guava, @xcd

    But least, US astronauts are supermen who can give interviews on landing, even after weeks or months in orbit, unlike others who can barely move and may be taken to hospital. 😉

    •ï¿½Replies: @gbs
    @xcd

    On the other hand, those American astronaut "supermen" couldn't cope with the Chinese 9-9-6 work culture and quit after 72 hours.
  • @Chanda Chisala
    @druid witch

    You were doing well (interesting perspective) until the chopstick comment. For some reason I find food tastes better with chopsticks 🥢!

    Replies: @Man Of East, @xcd

    A documentary from Singapore I saw showed that glucose in the blood spikes far less if you use chopsticks instead of a spoon to eat rice (carbs).

  • @xcd
    @littlereddot

    I am of the opinion that you are on a quixotic mission. The majority here believe they are from a special race that is being wronged, in one way or another, by everyone else who are their mental, moral or physical inferiors.

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @littlereddot

    Well I have not watched TV for 15 years. Lets just say it’s my little entertainment…LOL

    But seriously tho. I do it for other reasons too.

    First, it is because I also learn things here. Maybe the biggest thing I learn here is all the little human quirks, and how people’s minds operate. I find it extremely interesting how the Western mind is clinging on to their deep set self image.

    Second, I am just chipping a small crack into their ossified worldview. It will be left to themselves to either open up more, if they are so inclined. If they prefer not educate themselves, then they only have themselves to be blamed when the world has changed, and they find out too late that they have been left behind.

  • @Richard B
    @ChineseSTEM


    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one’s obsession with the submission of others
    �
    You then violate your own logic by showing photos of people being submissive to the Chinese. You're so full of yourself you couldn't catch the mistake before posting.

    Also, European-Americans as European-Americans have no institutional power or cultural control. If they're employed at all they work for their Jewish masters, who as a people are the virtual definition of collective narcissism. Who else would demand to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally, and blindly obeyed, but a narcissist?

    If you don't know owns and runs the West by now you're an ignoramous.
    If you do know, but won't say it, you're a coward and a liar.

    Either way, you're just a troll who just got their ass handed to them.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    If you don’t know owns and runs the West by now you’re an ignoramous.

    Do you mean the Jews who make up 1.7% of the US population?

    Why doesn’t the 98.3% march down to the Capitol with pitchforks and torches and toss the corrupt politicians out?

    The Filipinos did it.
    The Icelanders did it.
    The Egyptians did it.

    Why are Americans not doing it?

  • @xcd
    @littlereddot

    I am of the opinion that you are on a quixotic mission. The majority here believe they are from a special race that is being wronged, in one way or another, by everyone else who are their mental, moral or physical inferiors.

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @littlereddot

    … believe they are from a special race that is being wronged, in one way or another, by everyone else who are their mental, moral or physical inferiors.

    You might have missed the following story I posted:

    A teacher in an International School noticed a white student and a Chinese student fighting. He rushed over and demanded to know why. The white student immediately pointed his accusing finger at the Chinese and said, in righteous indignation, “It started when he fought BACK!”

    Well, if you dare to fight back you have committed aggression against that “special white race”!

    •ï¿½LOL: littlereddot, ChineseSTEM, xcd
    •ï¿½Replies: @xcd
    @Deep Thought

    Also see comment #122 on the same hypocrisy. This tends to go hand in hand with ignorance and insecurity in the locals. They offer the special ones an express path in tourism, martial arts, fine arts, religious learning, etc.
  • @Chebyshev
    @ChineseSTEM


    Furthermore, many American counterparts won’t even acknowledge or recognize the tremendous economic successes of the PRC in a grounded setting, in reality.
    �
    That's a good point. The individual policymakers most responsible for that economic success surely deserve the Nobel Prize in Economics.

    Replies: @tamo, @Brás Cubas

    I don’t know much about Nobel Prizes. I have always supposed that those prizes are awarded with basis on published work. Could you provide the names of the published works by those Chinese policymakers, or by economists on whose published work they relied when drafting their policies?

  • @littlereddot
    @Thomasina


    No, everyone does that. But when you get someone else to take the test for you, pretend they are you, now that’s cheating.
    �
    That was not what the original poster wrote.

    Here is a story about a scandal breaking in Singapore now....it is in the heart of Asia, with 75% Chinese population, and 23% other kinds of Asian.

    Their Transport Minister was involved in a scandal and will certainly be sacked for it. What was his crime? .... A hotelier in London upgraded his room during an official visit, but the Minister did not turn it down, nor declare/report it.

    This is such a trifling matter in the West. Yet in Asia it became a big thing. Now you compare this with:

    Colin Powell, Bush Jr lying about the casus belli for invading Iraq in 2003, causing a million Iraqi deaths, thousands of US deaths and billions/trillions of dollars.

    Was a single person punished? Did anyone lose a job?

    If you happen to travel around the world, you will find that the West is not perceived as a "honest" culture. In fact, it is seen as being downright HYPOCRITICAL.

    Replies: @xcd

    I am of the opinion that you are on a quixotic mission. The majority here believe they are from a special race that is being wronged, in one way or another, by everyone else who are their mental, moral or physical inferiors.

    •ï¿½Replies: @Deep Thought
    @xcd


    ... believe they are from a special race that is being wronged, in one way or another, by everyone else who are their mental, moral or physical inferiors.
    �
    You might have missed the following story I posted:

    A teacher in an International School noticed a white student and a Chinese student fighting. He rushed over and demanded to know why. The white student immediately pointed his accusing finger at the Chinese and said, in righteous indignation, "It started when he fought BACK!"

    Well, if you dare to fight back you have committed aggression against that "special white race"!

    Replies: @xcd
    , @littlereddot
    @xcd

    Well I have not watched TV for 15 years. Lets just say it's my little entertainment...LOL

    But seriously tho. I do it for other reasons too.

    First, it is because I also learn things here. Maybe the biggest thing I learn here is all the little human quirks, and how people's minds operate. I find it extremely interesting how the Western mind is clinging on to their deep set self image.

    Second, I am just chipping a small crack into their ossified worldview. It will be left to themselves to either open up more, if they are so inclined. If they prefer not educate themselves, then they only have themselves to be blamed when the world has changed, and they find out too late that they have been left behind.
  • @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as "cultural narcissism" or "collective narcissism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one's obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.
    �
    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/np_file_76002.jpeg

    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012102865.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/a44ea95a-2a6a-4be9-af47-7b45137f3d12/7f2d7831-1d20-4358-9206-bf52b00b5169/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Xi JingPing and Blinken,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsKL_VsCaM

    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo, @tamo, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Richard B

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one’s obsession with the submission of others

    You then violate your own logic by showing photos of people being submissive to the Chinese. You’re so full of yourself you couldn’t catch the mistake before posting.

    Also, European-Americans as European-Americans have no institutional power or cultural control. If they’re employed at all they work for their Jewish masters, who as a people are the virtual definition of collective narcissism. Who else would demand to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally, and blindly obeyed, but a narcissist?

    If you don’t know owns and runs the West by now you’re an ignoramous.
    If you do know, but won’t say it, you’re a coward and a liar.

    Either way, you’re just a troll who just got their ass handed to them.

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @Richard B


    If you don’t know owns and runs the West by now you’re an ignoramous.
    �
    Do you mean the Jews who make up 1.7% of the US population?

    Why doesn't the 98.3% march down to the Capitol with pitchforks and torches and toss the corrupt politicians out?

    The Filipinos did it.
    The Icelanders did it.
    The Egyptians did it.

    Why are Americans not doing it?
  • @Man Of East
    @Chanda Chisala

    It's interesting that Asian/Hispanic bones "appear" to mature faster between 11-15 compared to blacks and whites. What is the correlation with IQ, EQ, and other intelligence/maturity metrics?

    But between 16-18 there's no difference between Asians/whites, while Asians/Blacks continue to show discrepancy. (But somehow, Whites/Blacks have no discrepancy between 16-18)

    I'm not qualified to say much of anything on the subject, but maybe there's a very simple explanation for all this, viz, Asians achieve peak physical height sooner (and it shows in their bones), while blacks and whites are still shooting up like young bamboo trees between 11-15.

    By 16-18, whites and Asians have reached (near) peak adult height, while it could be argued black boys keep on growing and growing and growing...

    Do you really think that there's a positive correlation between cognitive development and sexual promiscuity vis-a-vis teens? The correlation is probably inverse. But they may have higher EQ.

    Replies: @Chanda Chisala, @xcd

    By 16-18, whites and Asians have reached (near) peak adult height..

    The average height of teenagers and young adults in East Asia has gone up. Look it up.

  • anonymous[142] •ï¿½Disclaimer says:

    They work harder. They’re smarter. But Asians aren’t the problem. Jew gate-keepers (admissions officers) are keeping your White sons out of the Ivy League. That’s the problem. There’s a bunch of other stuff too, but the bottom line is that Jew psychopaths are institutionally discriminating against young White men. Blaming Asians for being smart and disciplined is simply a distraction from the real issue.

  • @d dan
    @ChineseSTEM


    "Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe"
    �
    The commenter you are replying to is a Japanese, probably worked/studied in China before (still?) All his comments are almost always incoherent and logically confused.

    The sad thing is that these old Japanese hatred/chip-on-shoulder against China/Chinese is so heavy, they would rather support Black or White people who openly discriminate against all East Asians (Japanese included), than to fight along with the Chinese.

    Japan would never be a normal country on her own. Her people would never stand up for a long time, perhaps until the Chinese come to liberate them.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    The sad thing is that these old Japanese hatred/chip-on-shoulder against China/Chinese is so heavy, they would rather support Black or White people who openly discriminate against all East Asians (Japanese included), than to fight along with the Chinese.

    From https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/07/19/national/japanese-diplomat-oregon-attacked/,

    A senior Japanese diplomat in Oregon was attacked by a woman last month and sustained injuries, the Foreign Ministry said Wednesday, in what local media reports say was an alleged anti-Asian hate crime.

    Yuzo Yoshioka, 62, head of the Consular Office of Japan in Portland, was pushed to the ground by the woman while walking alone in the downtown area of the western U.S. city at around 1:20 p.m. on June 17, the ministry said. The woman was reportedly homeless.

    The diplomat, who suffered a cut to his head after hitting the pavement, was hospitalized but discharged the same day. He has since returned to work, according to the ministry.

    The diplomat told a police officer the attacker pushed him down “unprovoked,†according to a report. The officer saw “a lot of blood running†when Yoshioka was taken to hospital, the report said.

    And another from https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/11/us/japanese-jazz-pianist-attacked-nyc/index.html,

    Unno says that the group called him a “Chinese m*therf**ker.â€

    “I felt like they were hitting me to release stress,†Unno wrote in his statement. “It felt like they were just hitting me until they felt done, and that they would continue to beat me until I was either unconscious and severely injured, or dead.â€

    Unno thought he was going to die, he wrote, until he began thinking of his wife and 4-month-old son “and thought that I couldn’t die.†A nearby woman then intervened and called an ambulance, Unno wrote.

    Unno said he suffered a complex fracture in his shoulder and arm, which required an operation. He is completely unable to use his right arm, which he relies on for his livelihood as a jazz pianist.

    “I might never play again,†he wrote. “The trauma, both physical and mental, are severe, and I have no timeline for a full recovery.â€

    No arrests have been made, according to the NYPD.

    Trudeau refers to Japan as China,

    Video Link

  • d dan says:
    July 20, 2023 at 5:43 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @ChineseSTEM
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    It is true that the Greeks had demonstrated much purer interpretations of subfields of geometry, however, as a result, the Greeks had imposed significant limitations on their corresponding developments in areas such as arithmetic and thus analysis. Indeed, many mathematicians during the Newtonian period, despite the romanticization of the style of Greek axiomatic mathematics, almost none had adopted such approaches and had rapidly proceeded in using the diversity of mathematics as transmitted from elsewhere including the principally important Persian algebra that had allowed the mathematical scope to be expanded significantly. The limitations as imposed by the rigors of Greek axiomatic mathematics is an opinion espoused by Richard Courant, along with a number of mathematicians. For example, from Courant and John's Introduction to Calculus and Analysis: Volume I,

    Ingenious pioneers vastly extending the scope of mathematics could not be hampered by having to subject the new discoveries to consistent logical analysis and thus in the seventeenth century an invocation of intuitive evidence became a widely used substitute for deductive proof.
    �
    One must insist here that applied mathematics traditionally had greatly informed mathematical developments, and thus, that the applied mathematical developments of the Chinese, Persian, and Indian subcultures have driven forward many of these subfields which would eventually form the foundations of more modern subfields of mathematics as in some area of prototypical-infinitesimal analysis (to be contrasted from the analysis of Cauchy, let alone the analysis of the 20th-century). As Courant states, from Courant and Hilbert's Methods of Mathematical Physics: Volume I,

    Since the seventeenth century, physical intuition has served as a vital source for mathematical problems and methods. Recent trends and fashions have, however, weakened the connection between mathematics and physics; mathematicians, turning away from the roots of mathematics in intuition, have concentrated on refinement and emphasized the populational side of mathematics, and at times have overlooked the unity of their science with physics and other fields. In many cases, physicists have ceased to appreciate the attitudes of mathematicians. This rift is unquestionably a serious threat to science as a whole; the broad stream of scientific development may split into small and smaller rivulets and dry out. It seems therefore important to direct our efforts toward reuniting divergent trends by clarifying the common features and interconnections of many distinct and divers scientific facts. Only thus can the student attain some mastery of material and the basis be prepared for further organic development of research.
    �
    To emphasize, from certain perspectives, whereas the axiomatic style may appear to be somewhat pedantic and lacking in vision, the style of mathematics as informed by reality, one that reveals an associative intelligence, is sometimes interpreted to be more expansive in demonstrated scope and vision. Such was exactly demonstrated by the many Chinese mathematicians of the Chern subculture including in topics of Finsler differential geometry, when a number of Chinese mathematicians have realized the more expansive scope of the Finslerian setting over the Riemannian setting and the great significance of Finsler differential geometry in its further applications in areas such as variational analysis. And, in the modern history of the United States, it was principally the Chinese and Jewish counterparts who had demonstrated sufficient grandeur in their vision and scope so as to be able to engage not merely with advanced pure mathematical subfields including those of differential geometry, algebraic geometry, algebraic topology, etc., but advanced mathematical physics (compare with those from the British subculture, for instance, Yau versus Stephen Hawking - for these British counterparts, they were unable to pursue these sophisticated topics and can at best pursue already fleshed-out areas of mathematical physics or low-hanging fruits of mathematical physics, as opposed to a style of theoretical physics that is not as mathematically intensive as mathematical physics).

    Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe. As you fantasize over delusional narratives of Chinese scope-limitation in the history of mathematics despite the complete opposite being true (as opposed to hiding away with an autistic insistence on isolated pure mathematical subfields using already developed mathematical infrastructure as was done by Andrew Wiles). Despite being stupid, uneducated, and ignorant, you demonstrate quite the free comfortability with stating explicit falsehoods, like others, just so you can hold on to your retarded Sinophobic beliefs.

    Incidentally, Yau describes Chinese students as being treated as test-taking machines in certain settings, which is the case throughout the entire world - and one reason is simply because counterparts like Yau prize creativity to a significantly greater extent as one of the most creative mathematicians of the 20th-century in demonstration of one of the greatest scope over a number of subfields. However, for the IMO tests and the PISA tests that penalize rote memorizers and regurgitators (where creativity and problem-solving abilities are prized), the PRC and East-China in particularly completely dominated the entire world by heads and shoulders. You would probably do trash in such tests that penalize rote memorizers since all you can do is spew out the same repeated rote-memorized BS, like a robot, always just the few imbecilic sentences, like Chandra.

    Today, Yau has returned to the PRC and will assist the next generations of PRC mathematicians and STEM human capital. While Sinophobic shitbags such as yourself, having barely accomplished anything in their lives, dream of a time when Chinese counterparts are still living in the dirt.

    Replies: @d dan, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    “Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe”

    The commenter you are replying to is a Japanese, probably worked/studied in China before (still?) All his comments are almost always incoherent and logically confused.

    The sad thing is that these old Japanese hatred/chip-on-shoulder against China/Chinese is so heavy, they would rather support Black or White people who openly discriminate against all East Asians (Japanese included), than to fight along with the Chinese.

    Japan would never be a normal country on her own. Her people would never stand up for a long time, perhaps until the Chinese come to liberate them.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM
    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @d dan


    The sad thing is that these old Japanese hatred/chip-on-shoulder against China/Chinese is so heavy, they would rather support Black or White people who openly discriminate against all East Asians (Japanese included), than to fight along with the Chinese.
    �
    From https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/07/19/national/japanese-diplomat-oregon-attacked/,

    A senior Japanese diplomat in Oregon was attacked by a woman last month and sustained injuries, the Foreign Ministry said Wednesday, in what local media reports say was an alleged anti-Asian hate crime.

    Yuzo Yoshioka, 62, head of the Consular Office of Japan in Portland, was pushed to the ground by the woman while walking alone in the downtown area of the western U.S. city at around 1:20 p.m. on June 17, the ministry said. The woman was reportedly homeless.

    The diplomat, who suffered a cut to his head after hitting the pavement, was hospitalized but discharged the same day. He has since returned to work, according to the ministry.

    The diplomat told a police officer the attacker pushed him down “unprovoked,†according to a report. The officer saw “a lot of blood running†when Yoshioka was taken to hospital, the report said.
    �
    And another from https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/11/us/japanese-jazz-pianist-attacked-nyc/index.html,

    Unno says that the group called him a “Chinese m*therf**ker.â€

    “I felt like they were hitting me to release stress,†Unno wrote in his statement. “It felt like they were just hitting me until they felt done, and that they would continue to beat me until I was either unconscious and severely injured, or dead.â€

    Unno thought he was going to die, he wrote, until he began thinking of his wife and 4-month-old son “and thought that I couldn’t die.†A nearby woman then intervened and called an ambulance, Unno wrote.

    Unno said he suffered a complex fracture in his shoulder and arm, which required an operation. He is completely unable to use his right arm, which he relies on for his livelihood as a jazz pianist.

    “I might never play again,†he wrote. “The trauma, both physical and mental, are severe, and I have no timeline for a full recovery.â€

    No arrests have been made, according to the NYPD.
    �
    Trudeau refers to Japan as China,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3d1XrXPDo
  • Another issue in Greek mathematics comes with the confusion with notions of infinity in mathematics (there does not exist only a single notion of infinity). Despite the fact that the Greek mathematical subculture was rich and arguably the most impressive of its time (arguably as opposed to undisputedly), these weaknesses are present and they are glaring despite the uneducated and ignorant delusions of European supremacists. For one, consider the many misconceptions and confused errors in Zeno’s paradoxes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes).

    As Richard Feynman states,

    The Greeks were somewhat confused by such problems, being helped, of course, by some very confusing Greeks. To show that there were difficulties in reasoning about speed at the time, Zeno produced a large number of paradoxes, of which we shall mention one to illustrate his point that there are obvious difficulties in thinking about motion. “Listen,†he says, “to the following argument…

  • As a supplement, “Fibonacci” had famously described the superiority of “Indo-Arabic numerals”, and the associated computational algorithms including computational algorithms as taken from China and Persia, over any Western European mathematics in many contexts especially in such contexts of computations due to the inherent limitations of axiomatic Greek mathematics. The book is Liber Abaci (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Abaci).

    If one were to truly insist on the Greek style of axiomatic mathematics, then the scope becomes increasingly narrowed, the “macroscopic POV” is purposefully missed, not the opposite as some fucking nitwits think. Imagine trying to derive the many results of analysis, let alone differential geometry, using only the Euclidean axioms (hint, the Euclidean axioms are inappropriate and incorrect for the more general setting in the theory of surfaces – also, differential geometry is fundamentally topological, typically using second-countable Hausdorff topological spaces as settings due, for example, the possibility of expressing Urysohn’s theorem/lemma in the form of the partition of unity). Many creative Greek mathematicians had tried, including in attempts to express arithmetical objects and operations purely in Greek geometric terms using the Euclidean axioms (as in the factorization theorem demonstrated by Euclid geometrically, but also by others elsewhere). However, computational efficiencies were in the gutters. Others can of course try their hands at making computations only using Greek geometry and only making use of “compass and straightedge” (indeed, correspondences between operations of plane geometry and algebra would later be established, allowing one to solve the many classic problems of ancient Greek geometry using the theory of field extensions from abstract algebra – note that such a theory of geometric-arithmetic is wholly inadequate for the theory of transcendental irrational numbers, and that the number Pi is transcendental, the number as accessed approximately by Archimedes with finite iterations of the method of exhaustion in a geometric sense).

  • @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @ChineseSTEM

    You are a fraud who can't even read Chinese. The remarks Yau made were:

    – Unlike the Greeks, the Chinese didn’t have pure mathematics, only applied.

    – All of the Greek mathematicians were also philosophers and literati, not so for Chinese

    – Modern Chinese mathematicians tend to focus on small narrow problems, but lack imagination and are less capable to seeing a macroscopic POV, and setting topics / questions.

    Here is another interview of him making the similar remarks "Chinese students are test-taking robots"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nu0xexC9E4

    Chinese don't only bow-- they kneel
    https://i.postimg.cc/NM2xh7QG/22973001780.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/XNPY7R9Y/312998196-5552584898194825-105617953476679880-n.png
    https://i.postimg.cc/SsqFwwVB/Ev-Yhk-G1-Vg-AQt-Rkc.jpg

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    It is true that the Greeks had demonstrated much purer interpretations of subfields of geometry, however, as a result, the Greeks had imposed significant limitations on their corresponding developments in areas such as arithmetic and thus analysis. Indeed, many mathematicians during the Newtonian period, despite the romanticization of the style of Greek axiomatic mathematics, almost none had adopted such approaches and had rapidly proceeded in using the diversity of mathematics as transmitted from elsewhere including the principally important Persian algebra that had allowed the mathematical scope to be expanded significantly. The limitations as imposed by the rigors of Greek axiomatic mathematics is an opinion espoused by Richard Courant, along with a number of mathematicians. For example, from Courant and John’s Introduction to Calculus and Analysis: Volume I,

    Ingenious pioneers vastly extending the scope of mathematics could not be hampered by having to subject the new discoveries to consistent logical analysis and thus in the seventeenth century an invocation of intuitive evidence became a widely used substitute for deductive proof.

    One must insist here that applied mathematics traditionally had greatly informed mathematical developments, and thus, that the applied mathematical developments of the Chinese, Persian, and Indian subcultures have driven forward many of these subfields which would eventually form the foundations of more modern subfields of mathematics as in some area of prototypical-infinitesimal analysis (to be contrasted from the analysis of Cauchy, let alone the analysis of the 20th-century). As Courant states, from Courant and Hilbert’s Methods of Mathematical Physics: Volume I,

    Since the seventeenth century, physical intuition has served as a vital source for mathematical problems and methods. Recent trends and fashions have, however, weakened the connection between mathematics and physics; mathematicians, turning away from the roots of mathematics in intuition, have concentrated on refinement and emphasized the populational side of mathematics, and at times have overlooked the unity of their science with physics and other fields. In many cases, physicists have ceased to appreciate the attitudes of mathematicians. This rift is unquestionably a serious threat to science as a whole; the broad stream of scientific development may split into small and smaller rivulets and dry out. It seems therefore important to direct our efforts toward reuniting divergent trends by clarifying the common features and interconnections of many distinct and divers scientific facts. Only thus can the student attain some mastery of material and the basis be prepared for further organic development of research.

    To emphasize, from certain perspectives, whereas the axiomatic style may appear to be somewhat pedantic and lacking in vision, the style of mathematics as informed by reality, one that reveals an associative intelligence, is sometimes interpreted to be more expansive in demonstrated scope and vision. Such was exactly demonstrated by the many Chinese mathematicians of the Chern subculture including in topics of Finsler differential geometry, when a number of Chinese mathematicians have realized the more expansive scope of the Finslerian setting over the Riemannian setting and the great significance of Finsler differential geometry in its further applications in areas such as variational analysis. And, in the modern history of the United States, it was principally the Chinese and Jewish counterparts who had demonstrated sufficient grandeur in their vision and scope so as to be able to engage not merely with advanced pure mathematical subfields including those of differential geometry, algebraic geometry, algebraic topology, etc., but advanced mathematical physics (compare with those from the British subculture, for instance, Yau versus Stephen Hawking – for these British counterparts, they were unable to pursue these sophisticated topics and can at best pursue already fleshed-out areas of mathematical physics or low-hanging fruits of mathematical physics, as opposed to a style of theoretical physics that is not as mathematically intensive as mathematical physics).

    Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe. As you fantasize over delusional narratives of Chinese scope-limitation in the history of mathematics despite the complete opposite being true (as opposed to hiding away with an autistic insistence on isolated pure mathematical subfields using already developed mathematical infrastructure as was done by Andrew Wiles). Despite being stupid, uneducated, and ignorant, you demonstrate quite the free comfortability with stating explicit falsehoods, like others, just so you can hold on to your retarded Sinophobic beliefs.

    Incidentally, Yau describes Chinese students as being treated as test-taking machines in certain settings, which is the case throughout the entire world – and one reason is simply because counterparts like Yau prize creativity to a significantly greater extent as one of the most creative mathematicians of the 20th-century in demonstration of one of the greatest scope over a number of subfields. However, for the IMO tests and the PISA tests that penalize rote memorizers and regurgitators (where creativity and problem-solving abilities are prized), the PRC and East-China in particularly completely dominated the entire world by heads and shoulders. You would probably do trash in such tests that penalize rote memorizers since all you can do is spew out the same repeated rote-memorized BS, like a robot, always just the few imbecilic sentences, like Chandra.

    Today, Yau has returned to the PRC and will assist the next generations of PRC mathematicians and STEM human capital. While Sinophobic shitbags such as yourself, having barely accomplished anything in their lives, dream of a time when Chinese counterparts are still living in the dirt.

    •ï¿½Replies: @d dan
    @ChineseSTEM


    "Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe"
    �
    The commenter you are replying to is a Japanese, probably worked/studied in China before (still?) All his comments are almost always incoherent and logically confused.

    The sad thing is that these old Japanese hatred/chip-on-shoulder against China/Chinese is so heavy, they would rather support Black or White people who openly discriminate against all East Asians (Japanese included), than to fight along with the Chinese.

    Japan would never be a normal country on her own. Her people would never stand up for a long time, perhaps until the Chinese come to liberate them.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @ChineseSTEM

    If you are a Chinese ethnic who can't speak the language, that's pretty sad, you can't even communicate with your academic peers.

    If you are not of Chinese ethnicity, its just creepy that you are here impostering as one shilling for the standard Chicom talking points, and instigating intra-East Asian enmity.

    The rest of your comments are a bunch of strawman that I never argued for. The modern West generalize and extended Greek mathematics, I agree. I didn't make those remarks comparing ancient Greek to Chinese mathematics; or about Chinese students being test-taking machines, Yau did.

    Good for Yau that he went back to PRC, I hope he fulfill his mission. Qian Xuesen did career-wise, but however barely made it through Cultural Revolution, saving his own skin by throwing his colleagues under the bus.

    This one was less fortunate, he stole classified petroleum engineering secrets from the US and took it back to PRC. During Cultural Revolution he was purged and his whole family died horribly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Guangyan

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
  • d dan says:
    July 20, 2023 at 3:38 am GMT •ï¿½400 Words
    @Chanda Chisala
    @ChineseSTEM


    And, clubbing is not how Chinese STEM has risen through the ranks – it is quite incredible that you can even make such a statement attributing the PRC’s STEM success solely to the phenomenon of clubbing, like a child who lacks intellectual maturity.
    �
    Geez. I did not say clubbing is how Chinese STEM has risen through the ranks.

    I was referring specifically to just the ranking list you provided about some technologies (or something), which had used number of citations for its ranking index.

    From here:


    The ASPI study is based on an analysis of the top 10% most-cited papers in each area of research published between 2018 and 2022 – a total of 2.2 million papers.
    �
    I would like to see the details, but the problem I see with this is that there might be a lot of citations coming from fellow Chinese scientists (especially, but not limited to, papers written in Chinese). That would give them a huge advantage in this ranking obviously. But I’d like to see how they handled this potentially inflationary point.
    �
    And of course you continue with your insults despite me just calmly asking for evidence that could show me that the news reports I am relying on (re pervasive fraud and internal citations) are incorrect.

    I must emphasize for the imbeciles that academic fraud in such qualitative subfields is not merely limited to the PRC ...I must say, you are quite the pig-headed inbred CC ... “ah huhâ€, exclaims CC excitedly with drool dripping onto his astronomical gut ...
    �
    If you are not the same person (using different computers) as the other person I muted, then you are remarkably similar in your inability to have a proper intellectual debate. And for that reason, I mute you too.

    To other forum readers: I'm sure you can understand why I have not been persuaded against the evidence that appears to show that Chinese scientists are not yet as productive as the metrics some of their cheerleaders use to show this new dominance indicate. If a country has more forced retractions of academic papers than all the countries of the world *COMBINED* -- a remarkable NYT claim I was waiting to be falsified by China's defenders -- then it obviously has a really serious problem of academic fraud (and incompetence) that is so large that it can't yet claim to be the new science leader of the world. Saying "everyone else does it" is not exactly an absolving argument, especially since you do not publish more papers than the rest of the world combined. (And when you first claim that this does not involve top journals, but we find reports showing that top journals are also victims of the fraud, you need proper counter-evidence to refute that.)

    I should also note that it is impressive how much the Chinese government itself is trying to get rid of all this fraud. One report I saw says they even tried to make institutions stop paying people for publishing papers, although it hasn't worked (yet). Their leaders are clearly looking for a scientific dominance that is real and not fake, but their henchmen believe that this has already happened and it is only denied by sinophobic racists!

    OK, that's it from me, until next time!

    -CC.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @tamo, @d dan

    Blah, blah, blah, more dumb comments from the dumb author.

    “clubbing”

    Regarding the silly “clubbing” concept. I am very sure during the heydays of Western dominance in sciences, most Western writers quoted from other Western writers too, rather than from Chinese, Japanese or African writers. I wonder whether Chanda Chisala would question Western dominance of the time or not.

    Clubbing is not only non-fraudulent, it is an inevitable result of a country/her institutions dominance of an area. Also, the argument is very silly, for example, I could argue the other way: countries like US that has less “clubbing” is more dependent on foreign results and foreigners’ collaboration, i.e. their writers have to cite more non-American writers, non-American results,….

    “forced retractions of academic papers”

    So what? OK, China has more academic misconduct and frauds. But according to the “Science,” “relatively few authors are responsible for a disproportionate number of retractions.”
    https://www.science.org/content/article/what-massive-database-retracted-papers-reveals-about-science-publishing-s-death-penalty#sidebar4

    “forced retractions” accounts for only a small fraction of the total published papers. Go and check the database, there is an average of about 2 thousands retracted papers from China out of over 600,000 papers published in a year. Go ahead to subtract those papers out, or if you prefer, subtract 10 times of those papers out of the total. Does it make China #1, or #2, or #3?
    http://retractiondatabase.org/RetractionSearch.aspx

    During the rise of European and America in the last few hundreds years, there were rampant intellectual theft, copying and frauds in their countries too. Did that prevent their rise?

    It looks like it is very important for American (and for Japanese) that China should NEVER be number 1 (e.g. Trump stated that, Biden stated that…). So, Westerners keep inventing criteria after criteria (as I noted in comment #183 above) to make sure China is not number 1. It seems that, now you need “clubbing” and “retracted papers”, etc. Frankly, most Chinese don’t care about your criteria and ranking, because we know the big trend, and the history.

    So, please explain why “China being #2” is important to your thesis?

    The hilarious part of this whole debate is that you are very ignorant of Chinese historical dominance in science, math and tech. You are likely not aware of how the West stole huge amount of science/tech results from China in the past. You keep bringing up points that are irrelevant to the big trend of China’s rise. You don’t even know the difference between works by Japanese and Chinese (as Wang Yi stated recently), etc. But yet, you still want to make sweeping and stupid conclusion about East Asians’ overall performance.

    I say you are the one that need to “retract” your paper.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM
  • @tamo
    @littlereddot

    What I hear is that the private tutoring school went underground and it's more expensive now. The same thing happened in Korea. This fucking thing is a real problem for not only China but also Korea and Japan.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    In Singapore too. My friends grandkids attend a bunch of extracurricular classes from 5 years old onwards. … it has really gotten out of hand.

    I guess it would be anywhere with a Confucian influence…..minus one point for Confucian societies…LOL

  • @tamo
    @littlereddot

    Did you read my comment #294 regarding the Chinese origin and transmission of Hindu-Arabic numerals?

    Replies: @littlereddot

    Oh yes I did. looked at a Google Books version where I got the gist of the Counting Rods system, very interesting.

    The abridged version was all that my unmathematical mind could take before it explodes tho…LOL.

    Btw, I saw that Fleeting Footsteps is selling for $490 on Amazon!

  • Sadly this comment section is totally over… ‘_;

  • tamo says:
    July 19, 2023 at 9:54 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @tamo

    Hey internet tough guy-- you are citing only white authors as authority, what are you some kind of white supremacist?

    What do you think about all these times China invaded Korea? and have never aplogized for it. And you are here sucking up to a bunch of cheap Chicom propagandists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_conquest_of_Gojoseon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Sui_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Tang_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Turban_invasions_of_Goryeo
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_invasion_of_Joseon

    PRC regularly tag teams with a "white" country, Russia, against South Korea--

    https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-scrambles-jets-after-russia-china-incursion/a-65835920

    That's pretty disrespectful. What are you just gonna take it? Fake tough guy.

    Replies: @tamo

    Anybody who thinks a person with a name like Lam Lay Yong is a white person should have his head examined.
    Dr. Lam Lay Yong is of Chinese extraction.
    For all intents and purposes, the other two white scholars are “honorary” Chinese.

    Since I consider myself a pan-East Asian first and a Korean second, what happened or happens to the entire East Asia is lot more important than what happened or happens to Korea,

    Even though I’m Korean in the country where a vast majority of who are anti-Japanese,
    I have a great respect for Japan because it took on the white hegemon America in World War two.
    I felt so bad because Japan lost.

    Probably I might be the ONLY Korean who believes Japanese occupation of Korea from 1910 to 1945 did more GOOD than harm to Korea;

    Also as an Eat Asian I feel very proud of Japan winning the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905).
    If Russia had taken over Korea, after winning the Russo- Japanese War.
    Korea would have been part of the Soviet Union and had to wait for it’s INDEPENDENCE until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 instead of 1945 after Japan’s surrender.

    So Korea was lucky it was occupied by fellow East Asian Japan in 1910 and NOT by “white” Russia.

  • @Anonymous

    Interestingly, this could also probably explain the shocking success of some East Asians in the ‘Little League’ international baseball tournaments of young children of the same age, as one of my readers, Mark Cad, insightfully observed in support of my hypothesis.
    �
    Japan has actually been the most successful country at the World Baseball Classic, with the US being 2nd best. South Korea has tied for 3rd best with a few other countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Baseball_Classic#Teams_reaching_the_top_four

    It's not all that shocking considering that outside of the US, baseball is not really played outside of East Asia, where it is very popular and the main sport in countries like Japan. And Little League baseball, and baseball in general, has been declining in the US for a while:

    https://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/little-league-baseball-faces-declining-participation/bTzEuMq7XVLZRthhDQFaIP/

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Baseball is popular and widely played by youth in Venezuela and the Dominican Republic as well.

  • @tamo
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Hey boy. I still remember that you once said premodern Chinese never developed it's own mathematics and I proved that you were full of shit.

    One more time for the benefit of your tiny pea brain, I'll list the Chinese mathematical accomplishments.

    When it came to mathematics. Chinese were ahead of Europeans up to the 17th century. In the 14th century BC, China already used the DECIMAL PLAC value system, Europe didn’t have the decimal place value system until the 10th century AD.

    Also in around the 4th century BC, China had the most advanced numeral system in the world that was called the counting rod number system There is the strong evidence the Chinese rod numeral system is the ORIGIN of the Hindu-Arabic Numerals that we use today. I t looks like this Chinese number system spread to India then to the Middle East then finally to Europe.

    Ancient Chinese had highly-developed algebra while Greeks couldn’t develop one because the primitive Greek number systems were based on their alphabet. It was not until the 3rd century AD, Greeks started BARELY developing algebra.

    On the other hand, Greeks developed geometry that they had imported from Babylonia, to a high degree. China also developed geometry using algebra . The Chinese development of algebraic geometry is essential to the modern engineering..

    The CONCEPT of ZERO was known in China in the 4th century BC before in any other civilization. Chinese used a blank space for zero instead of using 0. Europe finally got the idea of ZERO only in the 10th century AD. Also the SIGN for ZERO was first invented in either Cambodia or India.

    The NEGATIVE NUMBERS were invented in China in 2nd century BC.
    Although the Greek mathematician Diophantus ran into the negative numbers in the 3rd century AD, he discarded them because he thought the negative numbers were ABSURD. So it was not until the 16th century AD that Europeans finally accepted the negative numbers.

    Chinese also solved the Pythagorean Theorem in around the 11th century BC. long before ancient Greeks did. Also Chinese developed DECIMAL FRACTIONS in the 1st century BC. On the other hand, Europe couldn’t develop the decimal fractions until the 16th century AD. China developed so-called PASCAL’S TRIANGLE in the 11th century AD about 600 years before Pascal did in Europe.

    Also Chinese developed binary numbers too. These are some of the great Chinese contribution to
    mathematics. You can find all this information by reading Joseph Needham's Science and Civilization in China or The Genius of China by Robert Temple.

    Read and memorize my comment and stop talking bullshit, punk.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Hey internet tough guy– you are citing only white authors as authority, what are you some kind of white supremacist?

    What do you think about all these times China invaded Korea? and have never aplogized for it. And you are here sucking up to a bunch of cheap Chicom propagandists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_conquest_of_Gojoseon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Sui_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Tang_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Turban_invasions_of_Goryeo
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_invasion_of_Joseon

    PRC regularly tag teams with a “white” country, Russia, against South Korea–

    https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-scrambles-jets-after-russia-china-incursion/a-65835920

    That’s pretty disrespectful. What are you just gonna take it? Fake tough guy.

    •ï¿½Replies: @tamo
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Anybody who thinks a person with a name like Lam Lay Yong is a white person should have his head examined.
    Dr. Lam Lay Yong is of Chinese extraction.
    For all intents and purposes, the other two white scholars are "honorary" Chinese.

    Since I consider myself a pan-East Asian first and a Korean second, what happened or happens to the entire East Asia is lot more important than what happened or happens to Korea,

    Even though I'm Korean in the country where a vast majority of who are anti-Japanese,
    I have a great respect for Japan because it took on the white hegemon America in World War two.
    I felt so bad because Japan lost.

    Probably I might be the ONLY Korean who believes Japanese occupation of Korea from 1910 to 1945 did more GOOD than harm to Korea;

    Also as an Eat Asian I feel very proud of Japan winning the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905).
    If Russia had taken over Korea, after winning the Russo- Japanese War.
    Korea would have been part of the Soviet Union and had to wait for it's INDEPENDENCE until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 instead of 1945 after Japan's surrender.

    So Korea was lucky it was occupied by fellow East Asian Japan in 1910 and NOT by "white" Russia.
  • @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as "cultural narcissism" or "collective narcissism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one's obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.
    �
    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/np_file_76002.jpeg

    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012102865.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/a44ea95a-2a6a-4be9-af47-7b45137f3d12/7f2d7831-1d20-4358-9206-bf52b00b5169/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Xi JingPing and Blinken,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsKL_VsCaM

    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo, @tamo, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Richard B

    You are a fraud who can’t even read Chinese. The remarks Yau made were:

    – Unlike the Greeks, the Chinese didn’t have pure mathematics, only applied.

    – All of the Greek mathematicians were also philosophers and literati, not so for Chinese

    – Modern Chinese mathematicians tend to focus on small narrow problems, but lack imagination and are less capable to seeing a macroscopic POV, and setting topics / questions.

    Here is another interview of him making the similar remarks “Chinese students are test-taking robots”

    Video Link

    Chinese don’t only bow– they kneel

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    It is true that the Greeks had demonstrated much purer interpretations of subfields of geometry, however, as a result, the Greeks had imposed significant limitations on their corresponding developments in areas such as arithmetic and thus analysis. Indeed, many mathematicians during the Newtonian period, despite the romanticization of the style of Greek axiomatic mathematics, almost none had adopted such approaches and had rapidly proceeded in using the diversity of mathematics as transmitted from elsewhere including the principally important Persian algebra that had allowed the mathematical scope to be expanded significantly. The limitations as imposed by the rigors of Greek axiomatic mathematics is an opinion espoused by Richard Courant, along with a number of mathematicians. For example, from Courant and John's Introduction to Calculus and Analysis: Volume I,

    Ingenious pioneers vastly extending the scope of mathematics could not be hampered by having to subject the new discoveries to consistent logical analysis and thus in the seventeenth century an invocation of intuitive evidence became a widely used substitute for deductive proof.
    �
    One must insist here that applied mathematics traditionally had greatly informed mathematical developments, and thus, that the applied mathematical developments of the Chinese, Persian, and Indian subcultures have driven forward many of these subfields which would eventually form the foundations of more modern subfields of mathematics as in some area of prototypical-infinitesimal analysis (to be contrasted from the analysis of Cauchy, let alone the analysis of the 20th-century). As Courant states, from Courant and Hilbert's Methods of Mathematical Physics: Volume I,

    Since the seventeenth century, physical intuition has served as a vital source for mathematical problems and methods. Recent trends and fashions have, however, weakened the connection between mathematics and physics; mathematicians, turning away from the roots of mathematics in intuition, have concentrated on refinement and emphasized the populational side of mathematics, and at times have overlooked the unity of their science with physics and other fields. In many cases, physicists have ceased to appreciate the attitudes of mathematicians. This rift is unquestionably a serious threat to science as a whole; the broad stream of scientific development may split into small and smaller rivulets and dry out. It seems therefore important to direct our efforts toward reuniting divergent trends by clarifying the common features and interconnections of many distinct and divers scientific facts. Only thus can the student attain some mastery of material and the basis be prepared for further organic development of research.
    �
    To emphasize, from certain perspectives, whereas the axiomatic style may appear to be somewhat pedantic and lacking in vision, the style of mathematics as informed by reality, one that reveals an associative intelligence, is sometimes interpreted to be more expansive in demonstrated scope and vision. Such was exactly demonstrated by the many Chinese mathematicians of the Chern subculture including in topics of Finsler differential geometry, when a number of Chinese mathematicians have realized the more expansive scope of the Finslerian setting over the Riemannian setting and the great significance of Finsler differential geometry in its further applications in areas such as variational analysis. And, in the modern history of the United States, it was principally the Chinese and Jewish counterparts who had demonstrated sufficient grandeur in their vision and scope so as to be able to engage not merely with advanced pure mathematical subfields including those of differential geometry, algebraic geometry, algebraic topology, etc., but advanced mathematical physics (compare with those from the British subculture, for instance, Yau versus Stephen Hawking - for these British counterparts, they were unable to pursue these sophisticated topics and can at best pursue already fleshed-out areas of mathematical physics or low-hanging fruits of mathematical physics, as opposed to a style of theoretical physics that is not as mathematically intensive as mathematical physics).

    Like Chandra, you are quite the imbecilic Sinophobe. As you fantasize over delusional narratives of Chinese scope-limitation in the history of mathematics despite the complete opposite being true (as opposed to hiding away with an autistic insistence on isolated pure mathematical subfields using already developed mathematical infrastructure as was done by Andrew Wiles). Despite being stupid, uneducated, and ignorant, you demonstrate quite the free comfortability with stating explicit falsehoods, like others, just so you can hold on to your retarded Sinophobic beliefs.

    Incidentally, Yau describes Chinese students as being treated as test-taking machines in certain settings, which is the case throughout the entire world - and one reason is simply because counterparts like Yau prize creativity to a significantly greater extent as one of the most creative mathematicians of the 20th-century in demonstration of one of the greatest scope over a number of subfields. However, for the IMO tests and the PISA tests that penalize rote memorizers and regurgitators (where creativity and problem-solving abilities are prized), the PRC and East-China in particularly completely dominated the entire world by heads and shoulders. You would probably do trash in such tests that penalize rote memorizers since all you can do is spew out the same repeated rote-memorized BS, like a robot, always just the few imbecilic sentences, like Chandra.

    Today, Yau has returned to the PRC and will assist the next generations of PRC mathematicians and STEM human capital. While Sinophobic shitbags such as yourself, having barely accomplished anything in their lives, dream of a time when Chinese counterparts are still living in the dirt.

    Replies: @d dan, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
  • @littlereddot
    @ChineseSTEM


    However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai’s GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    �
    You bring up a very good point.

    IMHO, income inequality is monster that all our economies face. Singapore's chosen economic strategy focuses on attracting high net worth companies and individuals to set up shop here. So the income inequality is growing alarmingly. I view it as very unhealthy.

    But I know that China is taking steps to counter this problem, and I am interested to see where their efforts lead. Personally I was heartened to see the Central Government clamp down on the private tuition industry, that in the end would lead to a 2 tier society of those who could afford private tuition for their children, who would then go into elite schools, earn more as adults, thus perpetuating the cycle.

    If China is able to tackle the problem of income inequality successfully, she will become a model everyone can learn from.

    Replies: @tamo, @tamo

    What I hear is that the private tutoring school went underground and it’s more expensive now. The same thing happened in Korea. This fucking thing is a real problem for not only China but also Korea and Japan.

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @tamo

    In Singapore too. My friends grandkids attend a bunch of extracurricular classes from 5 years old onwards. ... it has really gotten out of hand.

    I guess it would be anywhere with a Confucian influence.....minus one point for Confucian societies...LOL
  • @littlereddot
    @ChineseSTEM


    However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai’s GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    �
    You bring up a very good point.

    IMHO, income inequality is monster that all our economies face. Singapore's chosen economic strategy focuses on attracting high net worth companies and individuals to set up shop here. So the income inequality is growing alarmingly. I view it as very unhealthy.

    But I know that China is taking steps to counter this problem, and I am interested to see where their efforts lead. Personally I was heartened to see the Central Government clamp down on the private tuition industry, that in the end would lead to a 2 tier society of those who could afford private tuition for their children, who would then go into elite schools, earn more as adults, thus perpetuating the cycle.

    If China is able to tackle the problem of income inequality successfully, she will become a model everyone can learn from.

    Replies: @tamo, @tamo

    Did you read my comment #294 regarding the Chinese origin and transmission of Hindu-Arabic numerals?

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @tamo

    Oh yes I did. looked at a Google Books version where I got the gist of the Counting Rods system, very interesting.

    The abridged version was all that my unmathematical mind could take before it explodes tho...LOL.

    Btw, I saw that Fleeting Footsteps is selling for $490 on Amazon!
  • tamo says:
    July 19, 2023 at 6:17 pm GMT •ï¿½200 Words
    @ChineseSTEM
    @tamo

    It is true that it is generally more productive to adjust for the cost of living no matter how crude the attempt (it is unfortunate that many means of adjusting for the cost of living can still appear somewhat crude, a difficult reality since in real life, many parameters can potentially be accommodated in mathematical models). Pertaining to the U.S.'s GDP blowup, one can see the many discussions regarding the inflated nominal GDP of the U.S. due in part to its financial markets. It is of course of no surprise to most that the nominal GDP profile of the U.S. differs from that of the PRC noticeably. As a quick rudimentary example, compare (https://www.statista.com/statistics/248004/percentage-added-to-the-us-gdp-by-industry/) with (https://27.group/china-gdp-breakdown-whats-in-it/). One can notice that, whereas the leading sector of the U.S. economy, which contributes 20% to the U.S.'s GDP, consists of highly speculative markets in finance and real estate (crudely, a value of approximately 5 trillion USD). For the PRC, its leading sector, being, the industrial sector, contributes approximately 33% to the PRC's GDP. Or, alternatively, less finely and possibly more ambiguously, in using (https://www.statista.com/statistics/270001/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-the-us/) (2021), one sees that the service sector of the U.S. contributes a whopping 77.6% to the U.S.'s economy, whereas its industrial sector's contributions to U.S.'s economy is at a 17.88%. Note that quantitative rigor is well here in part due to slight inconsistencies between sources, however, the attempt here is to present a reasonably accurate qualitative picture.

    And so, unsurprisingly, the PRC comes out dominantly in terms of its MVA (manufacturing, value added), where one compares the U.S.'s 2,497,131 versus the PRC's 4,975,614, that the PRC's MVA value is not merely approximately twice that of the U.S., but greater than several countries following combined. Or, alternatively, approximately equal to that of the U.S. and the EU combined (yet, there are still imperfections regarding the notion of the MVA and how it might be measured in different contexts). See (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.ZS?locations=EU). One can then suggest one point of observation,
    1.) In the past decades, the U.S. has oriented its economy towards its speculative markets including its financial and property markets, while the PRC has oriented its economy towards industry and manufacturing. As a result, the non-adjusted GDP metric which favors speculative markets is exaggerated for the U.S., whereas the MVA value is exaggerated for the PRC.

    One must acknowledge of course then, even when one opts for the GDP PPP per capita, the PRC in general still trails, but the picture is incomplete - there are certain driving reasons, and these are exactly those reasons which explain the supposed middle-income economy of the PRC despite demonstrating such STEM dominance (as yet another metric, the PRC has already overtaken the U.S. not merely in terms of the total number of robots as employed, but in terms of robot density, with South Korea leading greatly in robot density, and 6 of the top 8 countries being East-Asian entities). One driving reason comes in recognizing the urban/non-urban divide of the PRC (whereas the U.S.'s urban population is approximately 83%, the PRC's urban population is approximately 61.4%, conventionally suggested to be to the PRC's advantage since it has additional populations to urbanize in contribution to conventional economic developments) - that, if such a phenomenon is recognized, consider the following Wikipedia link which lists Chinese regions by their GDP PPP per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita

    As a result, one sees the few major urbanized centers of the PRC demonstrating a much higher GDP PPP per capita, including the expected Beijing and Shanghai, both regions which have escaped the middle-income trap as is consistent with the traditional East-Asian tigers (note that the population of Beijing and Shanghai combined is a few million short of the South Korean population).

    Additionally, one will notice that HK SAR of China possesses a noticeably higher GDP PPP per capita, which is not surprising considering the many financial strategies and "experiments" of the PRC, that, for example, financial markets were allowed to develop to a much greater extent in HK SAR of China where HK had played the role of acting as a financial gateway to the PRC. However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai's GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    2.) The PRC's economy experiences greater state involvement than is typical for certain alternative economic systems as in that of HK SAR of China, its economy being somewhat of an "experiment" to a limited extent and not to be interpreted in a crude fashion. As a result, inconsistencies may occasionally be suggested in part due to the greater artificial drive that exists in the PRC's economy, as in its industrial and STEM drive, and due to the greater artificial suppression that exists, as in the suppression of speculative markets.

    There are many ways one might go about explaining 2.), and the history of the PRC may have obviously contributed to the PRC's philosophical biases as it stands in the 21st century. Although many will like to emphasize notions of socialism and communism, fundamentally, the PRC is yet another entity representing the Sino civilization in acting as the major central entity of East-Asia (not to be interpreted in a nationalistic fashion, but just in an objective sense, that one can just objectively recognize the population of the PRC compared to East-Asian counterparts), such an entity will therefore have a natural tendency towards developing its stable foundations as in agriculture, industry, and today, in STEM. For other smaller counterparts such as Singapore, it is already clear that Singapore will not intend to develop as sophisticated an agricultural sector as the PRC, however, as long as the PRC has a strong agricultural sector among other foundations, entities such as Singapore can thus engage in these alternative market strategies while adopting alternative economical philosophies - if the central entity of East-Asia already possesses such strong fundamentals, the pursuit of higher-level sectors, including those of the entertainment sectors, becomes feasible.

    One says sometimes in economics, that every job in agriculture creates a dozen jobs in industry, and every job in industry creates a dozen jobs in the service sector. The quantitative figures as given are obviously inaccurate and depend on the measurable parameters of economic systems in general, but the point is that, if foundations do not exist, then the upper strata of economies in general collapse entirely. The PRC's philosophy consistently appears to be one that is grounded in reality (as opposed to Elon Musk's 200+ billion net worth which is mostly problematic, as in, for example, lacking in liquidity - Musk's 200 billion USD is not grounded in reality, and disproportionately relies on low-level sectors including for such wealth to even make sense, including STEM principally), and such is potentially seen to be the responsibility of the PRC as yet another representative of the Sino civilization.

    3.) Between the U.S. and China, different philosophies have been expressed regarding economic systems in the past few decades. Thus, as the PRC had positioned itself as fundamental to the U.S. economy while overtaking the U.S. in many grounded metrics, the U.S. had continued to grow a reclusive class of those of the upper strata possessing intensely inflated net worths while those of the lower strata increasingly suffer inhumane circumstances. As another consequence, one thus sees the predictable failure of the U.S.'s trade wars against the PRC as the trade imbalance continues to grow as we speak.

    ---

    Supplement:
    - (https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/china-overtakes-usa-in-robot-density)

    - See the PRC overtaking the U.S. as the major trading partner on Earth. (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-u-s-worlds-trading-partner/#:~:text=The%20results%20are%20stark%3A%20before,in%20128%20of%20190%20countries.)

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo

    I generally agree with what you say. Hey, do me s favor, MAKE your comment A LOT shorter.

    American economy is basically a service economy dominated by it’s financial sector. It’s manufacturing sector is only about 14% of it’s GDP. On the other hand, China is an INDUSTRIAL economy where manufacturing sector is still about 35% of it’s economy

    Due to the U.S.’ very small portion of it’s manufacturing sector in relation to GDP as a result of many decades of offshoring , decoupling American economy from China is IMPOSSIBLE, period. In other words, America is fucked vis-a-vi China.

    Unlike short-sighted America, China must keep it’s manufacturing sector strong all the time.

    China is doing fine in total number of robots deployed and robot density. But China is still behind Japan, Switzerland in core technologies. So China should try to overtake those countries as soon as possible.

    Chinese agriculture creates about 10% of GDP but employs s about 30% of the nations workforce.

    Therefore the agriculture has to be more mechanized and send surplus agricultural workers to vocational schools or more academic training with government’s subsidies to transform them as mid or high-level manufacturing or service workers.

    This is absolutely essential for China to do so since China will face worker shortages soon due to the changing demographics.

  • @ChineseSTEM
    @tamo

    It is true that it is generally more productive to adjust for the cost of living no matter how crude the attempt (it is unfortunate that many means of adjusting for the cost of living can still appear somewhat crude, a difficult reality since in real life, many parameters can potentially be accommodated in mathematical models). Pertaining to the U.S.'s GDP blowup, one can see the many discussions regarding the inflated nominal GDP of the U.S. due in part to its financial markets. It is of course of no surprise to most that the nominal GDP profile of the U.S. differs from that of the PRC noticeably. As a quick rudimentary example, compare (https://www.statista.com/statistics/248004/percentage-added-to-the-us-gdp-by-industry/) with (https://27.group/china-gdp-breakdown-whats-in-it/). One can notice that, whereas the leading sector of the U.S. economy, which contributes 20% to the U.S.'s GDP, consists of highly speculative markets in finance and real estate (crudely, a value of approximately 5 trillion USD). For the PRC, its leading sector, being, the industrial sector, contributes approximately 33% to the PRC's GDP. Or, alternatively, less finely and possibly more ambiguously, in using (https://www.statista.com/statistics/270001/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-the-us/) (2021), one sees that the service sector of the U.S. contributes a whopping 77.6% to the U.S.'s economy, whereas its industrial sector's contributions to U.S.'s economy is at a 17.88%. Note that quantitative rigor is well here in part due to slight inconsistencies between sources, however, the attempt here is to present a reasonably accurate qualitative picture.

    And so, unsurprisingly, the PRC comes out dominantly in terms of its MVA (manufacturing, value added), where one compares the U.S.'s 2,497,131 versus the PRC's 4,975,614, that the PRC's MVA value is not merely approximately twice that of the U.S., but greater than several countries following combined. Or, alternatively, approximately equal to that of the U.S. and the EU combined (yet, there are still imperfections regarding the notion of the MVA and how it might be measured in different contexts). See (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.ZS?locations=EU). One can then suggest one point of observation,
    1.) In the past decades, the U.S. has oriented its economy towards its speculative markets including its financial and property markets, while the PRC has oriented its economy towards industry and manufacturing. As a result, the non-adjusted GDP metric which favors speculative markets is exaggerated for the U.S., whereas the MVA value is exaggerated for the PRC.

    One must acknowledge of course then, even when one opts for the GDP PPP per capita, the PRC in general still trails, but the picture is incomplete - there are certain driving reasons, and these are exactly those reasons which explain the supposed middle-income economy of the PRC despite demonstrating such STEM dominance (as yet another metric, the PRC has already overtaken the U.S. not merely in terms of the total number of robots as employed, but in terms of robot density, with South Korea leading greatly in robot density, and 6 of the top 8 countries being East-Asian entities). One driving reason comes in recognizing the urban/non-urban divide of the PRC (whereas the U.S.'s urban population is approximately 83%, the PRC's urban population is approximately 61.4%, conventionally suggested to be to the PRC's advantage since it has additional populations to urbanize in contribution to conventional economic developments) - that, if such a phenomenon is recognized, consider the following Wikipedia link which lists Chinese regions by their GDP PPP per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita

    As a result, one sees the few major urbanized centers of the PRC demonstrating a much higher GDP PPP per capita, including the expected Beijing and Shanghai, both regions which have escaped the middle-income trap as is consistent with the traditional East-Asian tigers (note that the population of Beijing and Shanghai combined is a few million short of the South Korean population).

    Additionally, one will notice that HK SAR of China possesses a noticeably higher GDP PPP per capita, which is not surprising considering the many financial strategies and "experiments" of the PRC, that, for example, financial markets were allowed to develop to a much greater extent in HK SAR of China where HK had played the role of acting as a financial gateway to the PRC. However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai's GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    2.) The PRC's economy experiences greater state involvement than is typical for certain alternative economic systems as in that of HK SAR of China, its economy being somewhat of an "experiment" to a limited extent and not to be interpreted in a crude fashion. As a result, inconsistencies may occasionally be suggested in part due to the greater artificial drive that exists in the PRC's economy, as in its industrial and STEM drive, and due to the greater artificial suppression that exists, as in the suppression of speculative markets.

    There are many ways one might go about explaining 2.), and the history of the PRC may have obviously contributed to the PRC's philosophical biases as it stands in the 21st century. Although many will like to emphasize notions of socialism and communism, fundamentally, the PRC is yet another entity representing the Sino civilization in acting as the major central entity of East-Asia (not to be interpreted in a nationalistic fashion, but just in an objective sense, that one can just objectively recognize the population of the PRC compared to East-Asian counterparts), such an entity will therefore have a natural tendency towards developing its stable foundations as in agriculture, industry, and today, in STEM. For other smaller counterparts such as Singapore, it is already clear that Singapore will not intend to develop as sophisticated an agricultural sector as the PRC, however, as long as the PRC has a strong agricultural sector among other foundations, entities such as Singapore can thus engage in these alternative market strategies while adopting alternative economical philosophies - if the central entity of East-Asia already possesses such strong fundamentals, the pursuit of higher-level sectors, including those of the entertainment sectors, becomes feasible.

    One says sometimes in economics, that every job in agriculture creates a dozen jobs in industry, and every job in industry creates a dozen jobs in the service sector. The quantitative figures as given are obviously inaccurate and depend on the measurable parameters of economic systems in general, but the point is that, if foundations do not exist, then the upper strata of economies in general collapse entirely. The PRC's philosophy consistently appears to be one that is grounded in reality (as opposed to Elon Musk's 200+ billion net worth which is mostly problematic, as in, for example, lacking in liquidity - Musk's 200 billion USD is not grounded in reality, and disproportionately relies on low-level sectors including for such wealth to even make sense, including STEM principally), and such is potentially seen to be the responsibility of the PRC as yet another representative of the Sino civilization.

    3.) Between the U.S. and China, different philosophies have been expressed regarding economic systems in the past few decades. Thus, as the PRC had positioned itself as fundamental to the U.S. economy while overtaking the U.S. in many grounded metrics, the U.S. had continued to grow a reclusive class of those of the upper strata possessing intensely inflated net worths while those of the lower strata increasingly suffer inhumane circumstances. As another consequence, one thus sees the predictable failure of the U.S.'s trade wars against the PRC as the trade imbalance continues to grow as we speak.

    ---

    Supplement:
    - (https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/china-overtakes-usa-in-robot-density)

    - See the PRC overtaking the U.S. as the major trading partner on Earth. (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-u-s-worlds-trading-partner/#:~:text=The%20results%20are%20stark%3A%20before,in%20128%20of%20190%20countries.)

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo

    However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai’s GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,

    You bring up a very good point.

    IMHO, income inequality is monster that all our economies face. Singapore’s chosen economic strategy focuses on attracting high net worth companies and individuals to set up shop here. So the income inequality is growing alarmingly. I view it as very unhealthy.

    But I know that China is taking steps to counter this problem, and I am interested to see where their efforts lead. Personally I was heartened to see the Central Government clamp down on the private tuition industry, that in the end would lead to a 2 tier society of those who could afford private tuition for their children, who would then go into elite schools, earn more as adults, thus perpetuating the cycle.

    If China is able to tackle the problem of income inequality successfully, she will become a model everyone can learn from.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM, tamo
    •ï¿½Replies: @tamo
    @littlereddot

    Did you read my comment #294 regarding the Chinese origin and transmission of Hindu-Arabic numerals?

    Replies: @littlereddot
    , @tamo
    @littlereddot

    What I hear is that the private tutoring school went underground and it's more expensive now. The same thing happened in Korea. This fucking thing is a real problem for not only China but also Korea and Japan.

    Replies: @littlereddot
  • July 19, 2023 at 4:07 pm GMT •ï¿½1,400 Words
    @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    I copied part of GDP figures from littledot's comment #136 regarding GDP.

    ……………………….GDP PPP Per Capita……………GDP Nominal Per Capita
    Singapore …………..134,000………………………….91,000
    USA………………..80,000…………………………….80,000 included for comparison
    Hongkong………….74,000……………………………..52,000
    Taiwan………………73,000……………………………..34,000
    Germany……………66,000……………………………..51,000 included for comparison
    Japan………………..52,000……………………………..35,000
    South Korea………….56,000…………………………….33,000
    China…………………23,000…………………………….14,000

    See the dramatic difference between the GDP per capita in terms of PPP (purchasing power parity) and nominal GDP for Japan. The reason why Japan's nominal GDP per capita so low is that Japanese Yen lost more than 30% against the U.S. dollar over the last 3 years.

    So you add 30% to the Japan's NOMINAL GDP per capita. then the number comes out roughly comparable to the Japan's GDP per capita in PPP(purchasing power) terms.

    In case of Taiwan, the difference is far greater.

    So now you can see how ridiculous the nominal GDP method is. In other words, the GDP in purchasing power terms shows the REAL economic strength of a country.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    It is true that it is generally more productive to adjust for the cost of living no matter how crude the attempt (it is unfortunate that many means of adjusting for the cost of living can still appear somewhat crude, a difficult reality since in real life, many parameters can potentially be accommodated in mathematical models). Pertaining to the U.S.’s GDP blowup, one can see the many discussions regarding the inflated nominal GDP of the U.S. due in part to its financial markets. It is of course of no surprise to most that the nominal GDP profile of the U.S. differs from that of the PRC noticeably. As a quick rudimentary example, compare (https://www.statista.com/statistics/248004/percentage-added-to-the-us-gdp-by-industry/) with (https://27.group/china-gdp-breakdown-whats-in-it/). One can notice that, whereas the leading sector of the U.S. economy, which contributes 20% to the U.S.’s GDP, consists of highly speculative markets in finance and real estate (crudely, a value of approximately 5 trillion USD). For the PRC, its leading sector, being, the industrial sector, contributes approximately 33% to the PRC’s GDP. Or, alternatively, less finely and possibly more ambiguously, in using (https://www.statista.com/statistics/270001/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-the-us/) (2021), one sees that the service sector of the U.S. contributes a whopping 77.6% to the U.S.’s economy, whereas its industrial sector’s contributions to U.S.’s economy is at a 17.88%. Note that quantitative rigor is well here in part due to slight inconsistencies between sources, however, the attempt here is to present a reasonably accurate qualitative picture.

    And so, unsurprisingly, the PRC comes out dominantly in terms of its MVA (manufacturing, value added), where one compares the U.S.’s 2,497,131 versus the PRC’s 4,975,614, that the PRC’s MVA value is not merely approximately twice that of the U.S., but greater than several countries following combined. Or, alternatively, approximately equal to that of the U.S. and the EU combined (yet, there are still imperfections regarding the notion of the MVA and how it might be measured in different contexts). See (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.ZS?locations=EU). One can then suggest one point of observation,
    1.) In the past decades, the U.S. has oriented its economy towards its speculative markets including its financial and property markets, while the PRC has oriented its economy towards industry and manufacturing. As a result, the non-adjusted GDP metric which favors speculative markets is exaggerated for the U.S., whereas the MVA value is exaggerated for the PRC.

    One must acknowledge of course then, even when one opts for the GDP PPP per capita, the PRC in general still trails, but the picture is incomplete – there are certain driving reasons, and these are exactly those reasons which explain the supposed middle-income economy of the PRC despite demonstrating such STEM dominance (as yet another metric, the PRC has already overtaken the U.S. not merely in terms of the total number of robots as employed, but in terms of robot density, with South Korea leading greatly in robot density, and 6 of the top 8 countries being East-Asian entities). One driving reason comes in recognizing the urban/non-urban divide of the PRC (whereas the U.S.’s urban population is approximately 83%, the PRC’s urban population is approximately 61.4%, conventionally suggested to be to the PRC’s advantage since it has additional populations to urbanize in contribution to conventional economic developments) – that, if such a phenomenon is recognized, consider the following Wikipedia link which lists Chinese regions by their GDP PPP per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita

    As a result, one sees the few major urbanized centers of the PRC demonstrating a much higher GDP PPP per capita, including the expected Beijing and Shanghai, both regions which have escaped the middle-income trap as is consistent with the traditional East-Asian tigers (note that the population of Beijing and Shanghai combined is a few million short of the South Korean population).

    Additionally, one will notice that HK SAR of China possesses a noticeably higher GDP PPP per capita, which is not surprising considering the many financial strategies and “experiments” of the PRC, that, for example, financial markets were allowed to develop to a much greater extent in HK SAR of China where HK had played the role of acting as a financial gateway to the PRC. However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai’s GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    2.) The PRC’s economy experiences greater state involvement than is typical for certain alternative economic systems as in that of HK SAR of China, its economy being somewhat of an “experiment” to a limited extent and not to be interpreted in a crude fashion. As a result, inconsistencies may occasionally be suggested in part due to the greater artificial drive that exists in the PRC’s economy, as in its industrial and STEM drive, and due to the greater artificial suppression that exists, as in the suppression of speculative markets.

    There are many ways one might go about explaining 2.), and the history of the PRC may have obviously contributed to the PRC’s philosophical biases as it stands in the 21st century. Although many will like to emphasize notions of socialism and communism, fundamentally, the PRC is yet another entity representing the Sino civilization in acting as the major central entity of East-Asia (not to be interpreted in a nationalistic fashion, but just in an objective sense, that one can just objectively recognize the population of the PRC compared to East-Asian counterparts), such an entity will therefore have a natural tendency towards developing its stable foundations as in agriculture, industry, and today, in STEM. For other smaller counterparts such as Singapore, it is already clear that Singapore will not intend to develop as sophisticated an agricultural sector as the PRC, however, as long as the PRC has a strong agricultural sector among other foundations, entities such as Singapore can thus engage in these alternative market strategies while adopting alternative economical philosophies – if the central entity of East-Asia already possesses such strong fundamentals, the pursuit of higher-level sectors, including those of the entertainment sectors, becomes feasible.

    One says sometimes in economics, that every job in agriculture creates a dozen jobs in industry, and every job in industry creates a dozen jobs in the service sector. The quantitative figures as given are obviously inaccurate and depend on the measurable parameters of economic systems in general, but the point is that, if foundations do not exist, then the upper strata of economies in general collapse entirely. The PRC’s philosophy consistently appears to be one that is grounded in reality (as opposed to Elon Musk’s 200+ billion net worth which is mostly problematic, as in, for example, lacking in liquidity – Musk’s 200 billion USD is not grounded in reality, and disproportionately relies on low-level sectors including for such wealth to even make sense, including STEM principally), and such is potentially seen to be the responsibility of the PRC as yet another representative of the Sino civilization.

    3.) Between the U.S. and China, different philosophies have been expressed regarding economic systems in the past few decades. Thus, as the PRC had positioned itself as fundamental to the U.S. economy while overtaking the U.S. in many grounded metrics, the U.S. had continued to grow a reclusive class of those of the upper strata possessing intensely inflated net worths while those of the lower strata increasingly suffer inhumane circumstances. As another consequence, one thus sees the predictable failure of the U.S.’s trade wars against the PRC as the trade imbalance continues to grow as we speak.

    Supplement:
    – (https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/china-overtakes-usa-in-robot-density)

    – See the PRC overtaking the U.S. as the major trading partner on Earth. (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-u-s-worlds-trading-partner/#:~:text=The%20results%20are%20stark%3A%20before,in%20128%20of%20190%20countries.)

    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @ChineseSTEM


    However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai’s GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    �
    You bring up a very good point.

    IMHO, income inequality is monster that all our economies face. Singapore's chosen economic strategy focuses on attracting high net worth companies and individuals to set up shop here. So the income inequality is growing alarmingly. I view it as very unhealthy.

    But I know that China is taking steps to counter this problem, and I am interested to see where their efforts lead. Personally I was heartened to see the Central Government clamp down on the private tuition industry, that in the end would lead to a 2 tier society of those who could afford private tuition for their children, who would then go into elite schools, earn more as adults, thus perpetuating the cycle.

    If China is able to tackle the problem of income inequality successfully, she will become a model everyone can learn from.

    Replies: @tamo, @tamo
    , @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    I generally agree with what you say. Hey, do me s favor, MAKE your comment A LOT shorter.

    American economy is basically a service economy dominated by it's financial sector. It's manufacturing sector is only about 14% of it's GDP. On the other hand, China is an INDUSTRIAL economy where manufacturing sector is still about 35% of it's economy

    Due to the U.S.' very small portion of it's manufacturing sector in relation to GDP as a result of many decades of offshoring , decoupling American economy from China is IMPOSSIBLE, period. In other words, America is fucked vis-a-vi China.

    Unlike short-sighted America, China must keep it's manufacturing sector strong all the time.

    China is doing fine in total number of robots deployed and robot density. But China is still behind Japan, Switzerland in core technologies. So China should try to overtake those countries as soon as possible.

    Chinese agriculture creates about 10% of GDP but employs s about 30% of the nations workforce.

    Therefore the agriculture has to be more mechanized and send surplus agricultural workers to vocational schools or more academic training with government's subsidies to transform them as mid or high-level manufacturing or service workers.

    This is absolutely essential for China to do so since China will face worker shortages soon due to the changing demographics.
  • tamo says:
    @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as "cultural narcissism" or "collective narcissism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one's obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.
    �
    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/np_file_76002.jpeg

    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012102865.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/a44ea95a-2a6a-4be9-af47-7b45137f3d12/7f2d7831-1d20-4358-9206-bf52b00b5169/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Xi JingPing and Blinken,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsKL_VsCaM

    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo, @tamo, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Richard B

    I copied part of GDP figures from littledot’s comment #136 regarding GDP.

    ……………………….GDP PPP Per Capita……………GDP Nominal Per Capita
    Singapore …………..134,000………………………….91,000
    USA………………..80,000…………………………….80,000 included for comparison
    Hongkong………….74,000……………………………..52,000
    Taiwan………………73,000……………………………..34,000
    Germany……………66,000……………………………..51,000 included for comparison
    Japan………………..52,000……………………………..35,000
    South Korea………….56,000…………………………….33,000
    China…………………23,000…………………………….14,000

    See the dramatic difference between the GDP per capita in terms of PPP (purchasing power parity) and nominal GDP for Japan. The reason why Japan’s nominal GDP per capita so low is that Japanese Yen lost more than 30% against the U.S. dollar over the last 3 years.

    So you add 30% to the Japan’s NOMINAL GDP per capita. then the number comes out roughly comparable to the Japan’s GDP per capita in PPP(purchasing power) terms.

    In case of Taiwan, the difference is far greater.

    So now you can see how ridiculous the nominal GDP method is. In other words, the GDP in purchasing power terms shows the REAL economic strength of a country.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM
    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @tamo

    It is true that it is generally more productive to adjust for the cost of living no matter how crude the attempt (it is unfortunate that many means of adjusting for the cost of living can still appear somewhat crude, a difficult reality since in real life, many parameters can potentially be accommodated in mathematical models). Pertaining to the U.S.'s GDP blowup, one can see the many discussions regarding the inflated nominal GDP of the U.S. due in part to its financial markets. It is of course of no surprise to most that the nominal GDP profile of the U.S. differs from that of the PRC noticeably. As a quick rudimentary example, compare (https://www.statista.com/statistics/248004/percentage-added-to-the-us-gdp-by-industry/) with (https://27.group/china-gdp-breakdown-whats-in-it/). One can notice that, whereas the leading sector of the U.S. economy, which contributes 20% to the U.S.'s GDP, consists of highly speculative markets in finance and real estate (crudely, a value of approximately 5 trillion USD). For the PRC, its leading sector, being, the industrial sector, contributes approximately 33% to the PRC's GDP. Or, alternatively, less finely and possibly more ambiguously, in using (https://www.statista.com/statistics/270001/distribution-of-gross-domestic-product-gdp-across-economic-sectors-in-the-us/) (2021), one sees that the service sector of the U.S. contributes a whopping 77.6% to the U.S.'s economy, whereas its industrial sector's contributions to U.S.'s economy is at a 17.88%. Note that quantitative rigor is well here in part due to slight inconsistencies between sources, however, the attempt here is to present a reasonably accurate qualitative picture.

    And so, unsurprisingly, the PRC comes out dominantly in terms of its MVA (manufacturing, value added), where one compares the U.S.'s 2,497,131 versus the PRC's 4,975,614, that the PRC's MVA value is not merely approximately twice that of the U.S., but greater than several countries following combined. Or, alternatively, approximately equal to that of the U.S. and the EU combined (yet, there are still imperfections regarding the notion of the MVA and how it might be measured in different contexts). See (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.ZS?locations=EU). One can then suggest one point of observation,
    1.) In the past decades, the U.S. has oriented its economy towards its speculative markets including its financial and property markets, while the PRC has oriented its economy towards industry and manufacturing. As a result, the non-adjusted GDP metric which favors speculative markets is exaggerated for the U.S., whereas the MVA value is exaggerated for the PRC.

    One must acknowledge of course then, even when one opts for the GDP PPP per capita, the PRC in general still trails, but the picture is incomplete - there are certain driving reasons, and these are exactly those reasons which explain the supposed middle-income economy of the PRC despite demonstrating such STEM dominance (as yet another metric, the PRC has already overtaken the U.S. not merely in terms of the total number of robots as employed, but in terms of robot density, with South Korea leading greatly in robot density, and 6 of the top 8 countries being East-Asian entities). One driving reason comes in recognizing the urban/non-urban divide of the PRC (whereas the U.S.'s urban population is approximately 83%, the PRC's urban population is approximately 61.4%, conventionally suggested to be to the PRC's advantage since it has additional populations to urbanize in contribution to conventional economic developments) - that, if such a phenomenon is recognized, consider the following Wikipedia link which lists Chinese regions by their GDP PPP per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita

    As a result, one sees the few major urbanized centers of the PRC demonstrating a much higher GDP PPP per capita, including the expected Beijing and Shanghai, both regions which have escaped the middle-income trap as is consistent with the traditional East-Asian tigers (note that the population of Beijing and Shanghai combined is a few million short of the South Korean population).

    Additionally, one will notice that HK SAR of China possesses a noticeably higher GDP PPP per capita, which is not surprising considering the many financial strategies and "experiments" of the PRC, that, for example, financial markets were allowed to develop to a much greater extent in HK SAR of China where HK had played the role of acting as a financial gateway to the PRC. However, other issues have risen, that HK SAR of China now possesses one of the highest Gini coefficients on Earth (an index that sets out to measure wealth inequality). Indeed, the sudden rise in Shanghai's GDP PPP per capita was also accompanied by a rise in its Gini coefficient. Now, another point can be suggested,
    2.) The PRC's economy experiences greater state involvement than is typical for certain alternative economic systems as in that of HK SAR of China, its economy being somewhat of an "experiment" to a limited extent and not to be interpreted in a crude fashion. As a result, inconsistencies may occasionally be suggested in part due to the greater artificial drive that exists in the PRC's economy, as in its industrial and STEM drive, and due to the greater artificial suppression that exists, as in the suppression of speculative markets.

    There are many ways one might go about explaining 2.), and the history of the PRC may have obviously contributed to the PRC's philosophical biases as it stands in the 21st century. Although many will like to emphasize notions of socialism and communism, fundamentally, the PRC is yet another entity representing the Sino civilization in acting as the major central entity of East-Asia (not to be interpreted in a nationalistic fashion, but just in an objective sense, that one can just objectively recognize the population of the PRC compared to East-Asian counterparts), such an entity will therefore have a natural tendency towards developing its stable foundations as in agriculture, industry, and today, in STEM. For other smaller counterparts such as Singapore, it is already clear that Singapore will not intend to develop as sophisticated an agricultural sector as the PRC, however, as long as the PRC has a strong agricultural sector among other foundations, entities such as Singapore can thus engage in these alternative market strategies while adopting alternative economical philosophies - if the central entity of East-Asia already possesses such strong fundamentals, the pursuit of higher-level sectors, including those of the entertainment sectors, becomes feasible.

    One says sometimes in economics, that every job in agriculture creates a dozen jobs in industry, and every job in industry creates a dozen jobs in the service sector. The quantitative figures as given are obviously inaccurate and depend on the measurable parameters of economic systems in general, but the point is that, if foundations do not exist, then the upper strata of economies in general collapse entirely. The PRC's philosophy consistently appears to be one that is grounded in reality (as opposed to Elon Musk's 200+ billion net worth which is mostly problematic, as in, for example, lacking in liquidity - Musk's 200 billion USD is not grounded in reality, and disproportionately relies on low-level sectors including for such wealth to even make sense, including STEM principally), and such is potentially seen to be the responsibility of the PRC as yet another representative of the Sino civilization.

    3.) Between the U.S. and China, different philosophies have been expressed regarding economic systems in the past few decades. Thus, as the PRC had positioned itself as fundamental to the U.S. economy while overtaking the U.S. in many grounded metrics, the U.S. had continued to grow a reclusive class of those of the upper strata possessing intensely inflated net worths while those of the lower strata increasingly suffer inhumane circumstances. As another consequence, one thus sees the predictable failure of the U.S.'s trade wars against the PRC as the trade imbalance continues to grow as we speak.

    ---

    Supplement:
    - (https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/china-overtakes-usa-in-robot-density)

    - See the PRC overtaking the U.S. as the major trading partner on Earth. (https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-u-s-worlds-trading-partner/#:~:text=The%20results%20are%20stark%3A%20before,in%20128%20of%20190%20countries.)

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo
  • @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    These topics can no doubt be difficult to engage with given a lack of explicit accounts (as opposed to the explicit account of a German Jesuit copying from a Chinese linear algebra exposition word for word), however, one cannot deny that many mathematical subcultures are cultivated in various parts of the world nonetheless. In the history of India, it is increasingly popular to identify the Indian style of proto-analysis of the Madhave school with which had very much made use of the decimal system in an incredibly effective fashion as expanded upon the works of the ancient Babylonians, however, it would be unsurprising if there was an amount of exchange between Chinese mathematical subcultures and Indian subcultures. Yet, it does appear that these various subcultures can appear somewhat divergent at times.

    Indeed, instead of using the term Taylor series, I prefer to use the term Madhava-Taylor series, or the Persian-Newton approximation method (with which can also be found in Chinese mathematics). In fact, the Newtonian style of calculus (which Newton's students Taylor had followed), the so-called "methods of fluxions", is eerily similar to his the proto-analysis of his Indian predecessors, but with much greater literacy in applications to solution of problems of ancient Greek geometry while making use of the great generality of Persian algebra provided throughout.

    Newton's exposition can in fact be accessed for free in an online archive: https://archive.org/details/methodoffluxions00newt/page/n3/mode/2up

    One will find that Persian algebra is utilized throughout, while many finite and infinite expansions are all clearly motivated by the decimal expansions that one would provide for real numbers in general, a feat that was achieved by the Madhava school of analysis.

    Here, there is a subtlety that I would like to discuss. Historically, the Babylonians have achieved success in the infinite expansion of various numbers as in the Babylonian's famous expansion of the square root of 2. However, these expansions merely hold for specific numbers. Later, generalizations came in the form of infinite expansions that hold for entire classes of numbers, for instance, a class of numbers that can be recovered from the elementary trigonometric functions, that, in the example of the Madhava-Gregory series, any number can be expressed in terms of a infinite series in general and that such a formula is not specific nor limited to any particular number - the transition here is not simply that one does not need to investigate the specific decimal expansions for any particular number, but that these general expressions hold true for infinite sets of numbers (the scope has been drastically widened).

    With additional progress, the meta-set-theoretic complexities had continued to increase (the great French mathematician Godement has once described the peculiarity of meta-set complexities, using sets to describe sets, as in sets of sets, sets of sets of sets, and so on, and functions describes sets of numbers, where functionals whose arguments are functions, describes sets of sets of numbers, and so on and on). In functional analysis, one investigates many kinds of objects as in operator theories with much greater set-theoretic complexities. Imagine if a question was asked requesting that one find a curve, a function, that minimizes the distance between two points on a surface. One then has a functional, that maps from functions to numbers, providing the real number distance. The functional maps from sets of functions, and the functions maps from sets of numbers, and so we have sets of sets of numbers.

    These days, there are many alternative approaches that appraise abstract structures with much lower complexities in general, as in the Hilbert initiation of the theory of inner-product spaces (in the previous context of a variational problem, in an inner-product space, one can find Bessel's inequality that quickly holds true in general due to the abstract structural properties of inner-product spaces, and in a completed Hilbert space, one can retrieve Parseval's identity thus allowing one to make use of the Ritz method using Parseval's identity without needing to deal with the mess of sets of sets of sets and so on). Yet, the initial steps were initiated in these very kinds of topics, and the Madhave school, along with the Persians, have demonstrated great success in performing the first general transitions in proto-analysis.

    It is interesting that many infinite series' of the "Newtonian school" can be found given identically in the Madhava school of proto-analysis. If the Madhava school had provided inspiration, then they were never credited (in the same way that the Chinese counterparts were never credited in other relatively advanced topics as in the Chinese subculture of linear algebra and matrix theory - one with which does not exist historically exist in India or Persia).

    Essentially, even if these numeral systems have somewhat similar origins, it is clear that mathematics was taken in different directions, and the Chinese subculture of mathematics is not the only one that the Indian subculture of mathematics can draw from, as those cultures of the Fertile Crescent were historically mathematically sophisticated (and, the Pythagorean theorem is not to be credited to Pythagoras but can be somewhat traced to the ancient Babylonians of the Fertile Crescent, thus I call it the Babylonian-Pythagorean theorem).

    Supplement:
    - One can see The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compendious_Book_on_Calculation_by_Completion_and_Balancing, where such a Persian text had remained well utilized in European universities for centuries throughout the Middle Ages. The Mongols had eviscerated the Persian subculture of STEM in the same way that they had with the Chinese, and though the Chinese counterparts recovered more impressively during the Ming, one was unable to notice similar recoveries from the Persian counterparts.

    Replies: @tamo

    According to Needham, Temple, Lam, algebraic geometry was first developed in China in the 3rd century and spread westward when al-Kwarizmi was sent to Khazaria as ambassador to Khazaria by the Caliph. Khazaria lay on the trade routes between China and the West.

  • As an additional comment, almost every single non-trivial mathematician today possesses an academic lineage that can be traced to some Persian mathematician of the middle-ages, of the Fertile Crescent. One can search through academic lineages using https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/. You will find that many of Europe’s greatest mathematicians have academic lineages that are traced to the Persians via the Byzantine Empire and Italy. With the Mongolian sacking of Baghdad, there is a legend that the great Persian mathematician Nasir al-Din al-Tusi had protected thousands of volumes of academic material (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi).

    The Persian mathematician Bahmanyar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahmanyar, according to the Mathematics Genealogy project, has 207,693 academic descendants.

  • tamo says:
    July 19, 2023 at 5:14 am GMT •ï¿½200 Words

    You should buy Lam Lai Yong’s book titled Fleeting Footsteps. This book is very easy to read. Since she lives in Singapore like you, please buy the book and read.

    The 4th century BC Chinese rod numeral system is derived from the 14th century BC Shang numerals.

    It mostly had to with the spread of Buddhism. About 2nd century AD, a lot of Indian Buddhist monks came to China to spread Buddhism.

    Of course, they couldn’t climbed over the Himalayas instead they took maritime routes from India to northern Vietnam then to China or from India directly to the southeastern coast of China.

    Eventually these Indian monks got hold of the Chinese rod numerals system brought back to India and add the sign for zero “0” instead of Chinese tradition of leaving an empty space for zero.

    So this is how Indians got the Chinese rod numeral system that is the origin of the Hindu-Arabic numerals we use today.

  • @littlereddot
    @tamo


    These guys are so afraid of going to any other sources of information because they don’t want burst their preconceived notions.
    �
    I very much agree

    By reinstating the sentence about the Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals
    �
    I was just about to ask you something about it...

    I admit that I am a mathematical dud, and that this counting rod concept is new to me. In order to do it justice, I must devote some time soon to studying it when my mind is clearer.

    Given the sheer physical distances involved between Shang China and India, and the intervening Tibetan Plateau and dense jungles of Indochina ..... I would never have guessed that they are linked. In your estimate, what are the chances that the two counting systems are really linked? Is it 100% likely? Or 70% etc?

    Or perhaps that the two systems are both descended from an earlier undiscovered source?

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    These topics can no doubt be difficult to engage with given a lack of explicit accounts (as opposed to the explicit account of a German Jesuit copying from a Chinese linear algebra exposition word for word), however, one cannot deny that many mathematical subcultures are cultivated in various parts of the world nonetheless. In the history of India, it is increasingly popular to identify the Indian style of proto-analysis of the Madhave school with which had very much made use of the decimal system in an incredibly effective fashion as expanded upon the works of the ancient Babylonians, however, it would be unsurprising if there was an amount of exchange between Chinese mathematical subcultures and Indian subcultures. Yet, it does appear that these various subcultures can appear somewhat divergent at times.

    Indeed, instead of using the term Taylor series, I prefer to use the term Madhava-Taylor series, or the Persian-Newton approximation method (with which can also be found in Chinese mathematics). In fact, the Newtonian style of calculus (which Newton’s students Taylor had followed), the so-called “methods of fluxions”, is eerily similar to his the proto-analysis of his Indian predecessors, but with much greater literacy in applications to solution of problems of ancient Greek geometry while making use of the great generality of Persian algebra provided throughout.

    Newton’s exposition can in fact be accessed for free in an online archive: https://archive.org/details/methodoffluxions00newt/page/n3/mode/2up

    One will find that Persian algebra is utilized throughout, while many finite and infinite expansions are all clearly motivated by the decimal expansions that one would provide for real numbers in general, a feat that was achieved by the Madhava school of analysis.

    Here, there is a subtlety that I would like to discuss. Historically, the Babylonians have achieved success in the infinite expansion of various numbers as in the Babylonian’s famous expansion of the square root of 2. However, these expansions merely hold for specific numbers. Later, generalizations came in the form of infinite expansions that hold for entire classes of numbers, for instance, a class of numbers that can be recovered from the elementary trigonometric functions, that, in the example of the Madhava-Gregory series, any number can be expressed in terms of a infinite series in general and that such a formula is not specific nor limited to any particular number – the transition here is not simply that one does not need to investigate the specific decimal expansions for any particular number, but that these general expressions hold true for infinite sets of numbers (the scope has been drastically widened).

    With additional progress, the meta-set-theoretic complexities had continued to increase (the great French mathematician Godement has once described the peculiarity of meta-set complexities, using sets to describe sets, as in sets of sets, sets of sets of sets, and so on, and functions describes sets of numbers, where functionals whose arguments are functions, describes sets of sets of numbers, and so on and on). In functional analysis, one investigates many kinds of objects as in operator theories with much greater set-theoretic complexities. Imagine if a question was asked requesting that one find a curve, a function, that minimizes the distance between two points on a surface. One then has a functional, that maps from functions to numbers, providing the real number distance. The functional maps from sets of functions, and the functions maps from sets of numbers, and so we have sets of sets of numbers.

    These days, there are many alternative approaches that appraise abstract structures with much lower complexities in general, as in the Hilbert initiation of the theory of inner-product spaces (in the previous context of a variational problem, in an inner-product space, one can find Bessel’s inequality that quickly holds true in general due to the abstract structural properties of inner-product spaces, and in a completed Hilbert space, one can retrieve Parseval’s identity thus allowing one to make use of the Ritz method using Parseval’s identity without needing to deal with the mess of sets of sets of sets and so on). Yet, the initial steps were initiated in these very kinds of topics, and the Madhave school, along with the Persians, have demonstrated great success in performing the first general transitions in proto-analysis.

    It is interesting that many infinite series’ of the “Newtonian school” can be found given identically in the Madhava school of proto-analysis. If the Madhava school had provided inspiration, then they were never credited (in the same way that the Chinese counterparts were never credited in other relatively advanced topics as in the Chinese subculture of linear algebra and matrix theory – one with which does not exist historically exist in India or Persia).

    Essentially, even if these numeral systems have somewhat similar origins, it is clear that mathematics was taken in different directions, and the Chinese subculture of mathematics is not the only one that the Indian subculture of mathematics can draw from, as those cultures of the Fertile Crescent were historically mathematically sophisticated (and, the Pythagorean theorem is not to be credited to Pythagoras but can be somewhat traced to the ancient Babylonians of the Fertile Crescent, thus I call it the Babylonian-Pythagorean theorem).

    Supplement:
    – One can see The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compendious_Book_on_Calculation_by_Completion_and_Balancing, where such a Persian text had remained well utilized in European universities for centuries throughout the Middle Ages. The Mongols had eviscerated the Persian subculture of STEM in the same way that they had with the Chinese, and though the Chinese counterparts recovered more impressively during the Ming, one was unable to notice similar recoveries from the Persian counterparts.

    •ï¿½Replies: @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    According to Needham, Temple, Lam, algebraic geometry was first developed in China in the 3rd century and spread westward when al-Kwarizmi was sent to Khazaria as ambassador to Khazaria by the Caliph. Khazaria lay on the trade routes between China and the West.
  • @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    Hey, you are ok with me. Listen, whenever you see one of us meaning littldot,.d-dan, man of east and me, please join us.

    I'll tell you if Ligjthiser showed that kind of disrespect to a Korean. the Korean would write "fuck you MF" on the paper plane and throw it back to Lighthiser.

    That's the difference between Koreans and Japanese.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    the Korean would write “fuck you MFâ€

    Yup, don’t mess with the Koreans…..really!

    I remember that in the LA riots, they were the ones who stayed in their businesses and defended them.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM, tamo
  • @tamo
    @littlereddot

    I think the biggest problem with these guys is they only use old outdated one-sided Euro-centric sources instead of using neutral sources like Wikipedia.

    These guys are so afraid of going to any other sources of information because they don't want burst their preconceived notions.

    In my opinion , Wikipedia is about 75% correct but they always update their findings, like the Hindu-Arabic numeral case.

    By reinstating the sentence about the Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals, Wikipedia even cites Lam Lay Yong's book for the first time. Yesterday I was so happy about it that I almost cried.

    I think some Indian asshole complained about the Chinese origin so that Wikipedia deleted the original sentence about Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals but then some Chinese person came up with Dr. Lam's book. I really want to thank the person. I read her fascinating book many years ago.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    These guys are so afraid of going to any other sources of information because they don’t want burst their preconceived notions.

    I very much agree

    By reinstating the sentence about the Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals

    I was just about to ask you something about it…

    I admit that I am a mathematical dud, and that this counting rod concept is new to me. In order to do it justice, I must devote some time soon to studying it when my mind is clearer.

    Given the sheer physical distances involved between Shang China and India, and the intervening Tibetan Plateau and dense jungles of Indochina ….. I would never have guessed that they are linked. In your estimate, what are the chances that the two counting systems are really linked? Is it 100% likely? Or 70% etc?

    Or perhaps that the two systems are both descended from an earlier undiscovered source?

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    These topics can no doubt be difficult to engage with given a lack of explicit accounts (as opposed to the explicit account of a German Jesuit copying from a Chinese linear algebra exposition word for word), however, one cannot deny that many mathematical subcultures are cultivated in various parts of the world nonetheless. In the history of India, it is increasingly popular to identify the Indian style of proto-analysis of the Madhave school with which had very much made use of the decimal system in an incredibly effective fashion as expanded upon the works of the ancient Babylonians, however, it would be unsurprising if there was an amount of exchange between Chinese mathematical subcultures and Indian subcultures. Yet, it does appear that these various subcultures can appear somewhat divergent at times.

    Indeed, instead of using the term Taylor series, I prefer to use the term Madhava-Taylor series, or the Persian-Newton approximation method (with which can also be found in Chinese mathematics). In fact, the Newtonian style of calculus (which Newton's students Taylor had followed), the so-called "methods of fluxions", is eerily similar to his the proto-analysis of his Indian predecessors, but with much greater literacy in applications to solution of problems of ancient Greek geometry while making use of the great generality of Persian algebra provided throughout.

    Newton's exposition can in fact be accessed for free in an online archive: https://archive.org/details/methodoffluxions00newt/page/n3/mode/2up

    One will find that Persian algebra is utilized throughout, while many finite and infinite expansions are all clearly motivated by the decimal expansions that one would provide for real numbers in general, a feat that was achieved by the Madhava school of analysis.

    Here, there is a subtlety that I would like to discuss. Historically, the Babylonians have achieved success in the infinite expansion of various numbers as in the Babylonian's famous expansion of the square root of 2. However, these expansions merely hold for specific numbers. Later, generalizations came in the form of infinite expansions that hold for entire classes of numbers, for instance, a class of numbers that can be recovered from the elementary trigonometric functions, that, in the example of the Madhava-Gregory series, any number can be expressed in terms of a infinite series in general and that such a formula is not specific nor limited to any particular number - the transition here is not simply that one does not need to investigate the specific decimal expansions for any particular number, but that these general expressions hold true for infinite sets of numbers (the scope has been drastically widened).

    With additional progress, the meta-set-theoretic complexities had continued to increase (the great French mathematician Godement has once described the peculiarity of meta-set complexities, using sets to describe sets, as in sets of sets, sets of sets of sets, and so on, and functions describes sets of numbers, where functionals whose arguments are functions, describes sets of sets of numbers, and so on and on). In functional analysis, one investigates many kinds of objects as in operator theories with much greater set-theoretic complexities. Imagine if a question was asked requesting that one find a curve, a function, that minimizes the distance between two points on a surface. One then has a functional, that maps from functions to numbers, providing the real number distance. The functional maps from sets of functions, and the functions maps from sets of numbers, and so we have sets of sets of numbers.

    These days, there are many alternative approaches that appraise abstract structures with much lower complexities in general, as in the Hilbert initiation of the theory of inner-product spaces (in the previous context of a variational problem, in an inner-product space, one can find Bessel's inequality that quickly holds true in general due to the abstract structural properties of inner-product spaces, and in a completed Hilbert space, one can retrieve Parseval's identity thus allowing one to make use of the Ritz method using Parseval's identity without needing to deal with the mess of sets of sets of sets and so on). Yet, the initial steps were initiated in these very kinds of topics, and the Madhave school, along with the Persians, have demonstrated great success in performing the first general transitions in proto-analysis.

    It is interesting that many infinite series' of the "Newtonian school" can be found given identically in the Madhava school of proto-analysis. If the Madhava school had provided inspiration, then they were never credited (in the same way that the Chinese counterparts were never credited in other relatively advanced topics as in the Chinese subculture of linear algebra and matrix theory - one with which does not exist historically exist in India or Persia).

    Essentially, even if these numeral systems have somewhat similar origins, it is clear that mathematics was taken in different directions, and the Chinese subculture of mathematics is not the only one that the Indian subculture of mathematics can draw from, as those cultures of the Fertile Crescent were historically mathematically sophisticated (and, the Pythagorean theorem is not to be credited to Pythagoras but can be somewhat traced to the ancient Babylonians of the Fertile Crescent, thus I call it the Babylonian-Pythagorean theorem).

    Supplement:
    - One can see The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compendious_Book_on_Calculation_by_Completion_and_Balancing, where such a Persian text had remained well utilized in European universities for centuries throughout the Middle Ages. The Mongols had eviscerated the Persian subculture of STEM in the same way that they had with the Chinese, and though the Chinese counterparts recovered more impressively during the Ming, one was unable to notice similar recoveries from the Persian counterparts.

    Replies: @tamo
  • tamo says:
    July 19, 2023 at 4:19 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as "cultural narcissism" or "collective narcissism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one's obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.
    �
    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/np_file_76002.jpeg

    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012102865.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/a44ea95a-2a6a-4be9-af47-7b45137f3d12/7f2d7831-1d20-4358-9206-bf52b00b5169/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Xi JingPing and Blinken,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsKL_VsCaM

    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo, @tamo, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Richard B

    Hey, you are ok with me. Listen, whenever you see one of us meaning littldot,.d-dan, man of east and me, please join us.

    I’ll tell you if Ligjthiser showed that kind of disrespect to a Korean. the Korean would write “fuck you MF” on the paper plane and throw it back to Lighthiser.

    That’s the difference between Koreans and Japanese.

    •ï¿½LOL: ChineseSTEM
    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @tamo


    the Korean would write “fuck you MFâ€
    �
    Yup, don't mess with the Koreans.....really!

    I remember that in the LA riots, they were the ones who stayed in their businesses and defended them.
  • @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as "cultural narcissism" or "collective narcissism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one's obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.
    �
    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/np_file_76002.jpeg

    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012102865.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/a44ea95a-2a6a-4be9-af47-7b45137f3d12/7f2d7831-1d20-4358-9206-bf52b00b5169/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Xi JingPing and Blinken,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsKL_VsCaM

    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo, @tamo, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Richard B

    LOL, love your photo essay. With these few pics, you have presented an equivalent of 10,000 words, and with even more impact!

    I hope you put it up on your blog or website if you have one.

    •ï¿½Thanks: ChineseSTEM
    •ï¿½Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @littlereddot

    Add this too —

    Chinese POWs begging for their lives in front of UN South Korean soldier. They were spared but most would ask to be repatriated to ROC-Taiwan. Many of the ones repatriated to PRC died in Cultural Revolution.

    https://i.postimg.cc/xdYqRG0S/image.jpg

    Replies: @littlereddot, @Deep Thought
  • tamo says:
    July 19, 2023 at 3:35 am GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @littlereddot
    @tamo


    These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!
    �
    hmm, to me, this is a super interesting topic. It is clear that that some of them are reasonably intelligent. So how could they be so wrong?

    My current explanation is "arrogance". When one is arrogant, one does not even consider the possibility that he is wrong. So there is no way he will research a topic honestly to find out the facts before he forms an opinion. Rather he cherry picks facts in order to support his favourite position.

    Then, the natural question after this, is why are they arrogant? And is the source of their arrogance all the same?

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @tamo

    I think the biggest problem with these guys is they only use old outdated one-sided Euro-centric sources instead of using neutral sources like Wikipedia.

    These guys are so afraid of going to any other sources of information because they don’t want burst their preconceived notions.

    In my opinion , Wikipedia is about 75% correct but they always update their findings, like the Hindu-Arabic numeral case.

    By reinstating the sentence about the Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals, Wikipedia even cites Lam Lay Yong’s book for the first time. Yesterday I was so happy about it that I almost cried.

    I think some Indian asshole complained about the Chinese origin so that Wikipedia deleted the original sentence about Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals but then some Chinese person came up with Dr. Lam’s book. I really want to thank the person. I read her fascinating book many years ago.

    •ï¿½Troll: Richard B
    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @tamo


    These guys are so afraid of going to any other sources of information because they don’t want burst their preconceived notions.
    �
    I very much agree

    By reinstating the sentence about the Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals
    �
    I was just about to ask you something about it...

    I admit that I am a mathematical dud, and that this counting rod concept is new to me. In order to do it justice, I must devote some time soon to studying it when my mind is clearer.

    Given the sheer physical distances involved between Shang China and India, and the intervening Tibetan Plateau and dense jungles of Indochina ..... I would never have guessed that they are linked. In your estimate, what are the chances that the two counting systems are really linked? Is it 100% likely? Or 70% etc?

    Or perhaps that the two systems are both descended from an earlier undiscovered source?

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
  • @littlereddot
    @tamo


    These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!
    �
    hmm, to me, this is a super interesting topic. It is clear that that some of them are reasonably intelligent. So how could they be so wrong?

    My current explanation is "arrogance". When one is arrogant, one does not even consider the possibility that he is wrong. So there is no way he will research a topic honestly to find out the facts before he forms an opinion. Rather he cherry picks facts in order to support his favourite position.

    Then, the natural question after this, is why are they arrogant? And is the source of their arrogance all the same?

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @tamo

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as “cultural narcissism” or “collective narcissism” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one’s obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.

    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    Xi JingPing and Blinken,

    Video Link
    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,

    Video Link

    •ï¿½Troll: Richard B
    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @ChineseSTEM

    LOL, love your photo essay. With these few pics, you have presented an equivalent of 10,000 words, and with even more impact!

    I hope you put it up on your blog or website if you have one.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    , @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    Hey, you are ok with me. Listen, whenever you see one of us meaning littldot,.d-dan, man of east and me, please join us.

    I'll tell you if Ligjthiser showed that kind of disrespect to a Korean. the Korean would write "fuck you MF" on the paper plane and throw it back to Lighthiser.

    That's the difference between Koreans and Japanese.

    Replies: @littlereddot
    , @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    I copied part of GDP figures from littledot's comment #136 regarding GDP.

    ……………………….GDP PPP Per Capita……………GDP Nominal Per Capita
    Singapore …………..134,000………………………….91,000
    USA………………..80,000…………………………….80,000 included for comparison
    Hongkong………….74,000……………………………..52,000
    Taiwan………………73,000……………………………..34,000
    Germany……………66,000……………………………..51,000 included for comparison
    Japan………………..52,000……………………………..35,000
    South Korea………….56,000…………………………….33,000
    China…………………23,000…………………………….14,000

    See the dramatic difference between the GDP per capita in terms of PPP (purchasing power parity) and nominal GDP for Japan. The reason why Japan's nominal GDP per capita so low is that Japanese Yen lost more than 30% against the U.S. dollar over the last 3 years.

    So you add 30% to the Japan's NOMINAL GDP per capita. then the number comes out roughly comparable to the Japan's GDP per capita in PPP(purchasing power) terms.

    In case of Taiwan, the difference is far greater.

    So now you can see how ridiculous the nominal GDP method is. In other words, the GDP in purchasing power terms shows the REAL economic strength of a country.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @ChineseSTEM

    You are a fraud who can't even read Chinese. The remarks Yau made were:

    – Unlike the Greeks, the Chinese didn’t have pure mathematics, only applied.

    – All of the Greek mathematicians were also philosophers and literati, not so for Chinese

    – Modern Chinese mathematicians tend to focus on small narrow problems, but lack imagination and are less capable to seeing a macroscopic POV, and setting topics / questions.

    Here is another interview of him making the similar remarks "Chinese students are test-taking robots"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nu0xexC9E4

    Chinese don't only bow-- they kneel
    https://i.postimg.cc/NM2xh7QG/22973001780.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/XNPY7R9Y/312998196-5552584898194825-105617953476679880-n.png
    https://i.postimg.cc/SsqFwwVB/Ev-Yhk-G1-Vg-AQt-Rkc.jpg

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    , @Richard B
    @ChineseSTEM


    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one’s obsession with the submission of others
    �
    You then violate your own logic by showing photos of people being submissive to the Chinese. You're so full of yourself you couldn't catch the mistake before posting.

    Also, European-Americans as European-Americans have no institutional power or cultural control. If they're employed at all they work for their Jewish masters, who as a people are the virtual definition of collective narcissism. Who else would demand to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally, and blindly obeyed, but a narcissist?

    If you don't know owns and runs the West by now you're an ignoramous.
    If you do know, but won't say it, you're a coward and a liar.

    Either way, you're just a troll who just got their ass handed to them.

    Replies: @littlereddot
  • @tamo
    @littlereddot

    I want them to come over here. I have the great pleasure in demolishing them. This is my biggest hobby. These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!

    Replies: @anon, @littlereddot

    These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!

    hmm, to me, this is a super interesting topic. It is clear that that some of them are reasonably intelligent. So how could they be so wrong?

    My current explanation is “arrogance”. When one is arrogant, one does not even consider the possibility that he is wrong. So there is no way he will research a topic honestly to find out the facts before he forms an opinion. Rather he cherry picks facts in order to support his favourite position.

    Then, the natural question after this, is why are they arrogant? And is the source of their arrogance all the same?

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot

    A common suggestion comes in the phenomenon of what is sometimes described as "cultural narcissism" or "collective narcissism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism), an identifiable trait of many European-American supremacists in the U.S. as is conventionally identified in their behavioral profiles (criminal behavioral profiles included, as in the behavioral profiles of European-American supremacist mass shooters).

    One criterion of collective narcissism comes in one's obsession with the submission of others, that these narcissistic groups in the aggregate desire for others to recognize their authority. Such an issue is rampant throughout Washington currently regarding their interpretations of the PRC. Incidentally, Lighthizer had once thrown a paper airplane right into a Japanese counterpart at a negotiation, and unsurprisingly, the Japanese counterparts aptly demonstrated their submissiveness towards the European-Americans.

    The trade talks on steel imports were dragging on, and Robert Lighthizer didn’t care for the Japanese offer. So he folded it into a paper airplane and launched it across his desk at Japan’s lead negotiator… The 1985 deal capped weeks of negotiations in which Lighthizer, then the deputy U.S. Trade Representative, shocked his Japanese counterparts with rough-hewn jokes and wore them out with his disdain for their proposals, former colleagues recalled. During one Japanese presentation, he devoted his attention to playfully disassembling his microphone.
    �
    This clown is the same person who had contributed to the pathetic trade war that the Trump administration had launched against the PRC. As the Americans had consistently discovered these days however, Xi JingPing is very much unlike his Japanese counterparts in contexts of civilizational assertiveness.

    Austin and Blinken dominates submissive Japanese,
    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/np_file_76002.jpeg

    Austin bowing to Chinese counterpart,
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/NYPICHPDPICT000012102865.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

    Yellen bowing lower to Chinese counterpart,
    https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/a44ea95a-2a6a-4be9-af47-7b45137f3d12/7f2d7831-1d20-4358-9206-bf52b00b5169/1280x720/match/896/500/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

    Xi JingPing and Blinken,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsKL_VsCaM

    President Biden fights stairs for dominance,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

    Replies: @littlereddot, @tamo, @tamo, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Richard B
    , @tamo
    @littlereddot

    I think the biggest problem with these guys is they only use old outdated one-sided Euro-centric sources instead of using neutral sources like Wikipedia.

    These guys are so afraid of going to any other sources of information because they don't want burst their preconceived notions.

    In my opinion , Wikipedia is about 75% correct but they always update their findings, like the Hindu-Arabic numeral case.

    By reinstating the sentence about the Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals, Wikipedia even cites Lam Lay Yong's book for the first time. Yesterday I was so happy about it that I almost cried.

    I think some Indian asshole complained about the Chinese origin so that Wikipedia deleted the original sentence about Chinese origin of Hindu-Arabic numerals but then some Chinese person came up with Dr. Lam's book. I really want to thank the person. I read her fascinating book many years ago.

    Replies: @littlereddot
  • @anon
    @tamo

    Can you imagine in 2023 you got white british and americans cheering on/justifying Opium Wars and other atrocities against Asian nations while they virtue signal about their anti-racist credentials to bunch of niggers? Not to mention being scared of even mentioning the word "jew" in public. White americans are truly cattle who deserve whats coming for them, bunch of cowardly cucks is all they are.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    Can you imagine in 2023 you got white british and americans cheering on/justifying Opium Wars and other atrocities against Asian nations… White americans are truly cattle who deserve whats coming for them, bunch of cowardly cucks is all they are.

    Ironically, the PRC acts as the greatest savior to the global working class in imposing intense deflationary pressures on the costs of living in general. I watched a documentary where a homeless woman was rescued in Australia and due to my experiences living in Australia and some knowledge pertaining to the supply chain of K-Mart, one can’t help but go through every single product in her new home and appreciate how every single one of them is from China due to the exceedingly high performance-to-price ratio that is offered by the PRC and only by the PRC. Indeed, one can compare a refrigerator that costs 3,000 USD as made in the U.S., to an equivalent refrigerator that costs 500 USD as shipped from the PRC.

    The fact that the Chinese counterparts are so aggressively driving STEM along also induces intense deflationary pressures, as, for example, Moore’s Law and its analogies tend to drive intense deflationary pressures that are of the orders of magnitude, so much so that what are supercomputers of old can now be found increasingly implemented throughout the many high-quality medical imaging machines throughout. Indeed, Anthony Yen was such a person who had contributed to Moore’s Law, but as luck would have it, ASML had obtained Chinese counterparts such as Yen and others, thus suddenly involving itself in these areas of bleeding-edge lithography/patterning when ASML was merely trailing its Japanese counterparts previously with barely much STEM innovation to show for.

    The U.S. fantasizes over the return of these sectors to its shores, yet one can’t help but suspect that such would merely introduce massive inflation, and although one may not be interested in providing a quantitative analysis here, there are interesting documentaries that are available nonetheless, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36QeKOJ2Fc

    Video Link
    An an interesting article, https://www.computerworld.com/article/3665111/tech-talent-shortage-slows-reshoring-of-chip-manufacturing-in-us.html

    TSMC and its suppliers are in talks with the U.S. government to assist with the application process for non-immigrant visas in a bid to dispatch more than 500 experienced workers as early as July to expedite the construction of cleanroom facilities and the installation of pipelines and other equipment, three chip supply chain executives said.

    One of the main aims is to “improve work efficiency and help make up for lost time” in the construction processes, they said. The U.S.-bound workers will include contract technicians and workers with hands-on experience in cleanroom setup, pipeline installation, mechanical and electrical systems for chip plants, and other specialized areas.

    -https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chip-maker-tsmc-needs-hire-100000012.html

    Taiwan’s higher education system, where 31% of university students choose STEM majors—compared to 17.5% in the U.S.—has spoiled TSMC. For jobs in its fabs, the company prefers candidates with Ph.D.s and master’s degrees more so than peers like Intel, says Dylan Patel, a semiconductor industry expert and author of the newsletter SemiAnalysis. Earlier this year, job listings for engineering roles reviewed by Fortune sought candidates with a Ph.D. or master’s degree.

    Some industry observers argue that TSMC’s education expectations are unnecessarily high, especially in the U.S., where decades of offshoring chip manufacturing and the lure of Silicon Valley’s high-paying software jobs have created a shortfall of hardware-focused STEM graduates. Consultancy Accenture argues that the U.S. is facing an “acute talent shortage across the entire value chain.†It estimates that the U.S. needs 70,000 to 90,000 “highly-skilled personnel†to fulfill domestic demand for critical semiconductor applications alone, in sectors like aerospace, defense, and automotives.

    High-volume fabs demand some highly-skilled workers, like engineers who research and develop technology to manufacture advanced chips. But the bulk of fab employees work on the production line and don’t need more than a bachelor’s degree, says Santosh Kurinec, a fellow and professor of engineering at the Rochester Institute of Technology.

    “Ph.D.s are necessary in the industry, but it doesn’t need all Ph.D.s,†she says.

    TSMS in U.S. media today, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GnqyeQbdC0

    Video Link
    These days, with images of American tent cities with made-in-China tents becoming increasingly common, one can’t help but wonder as to how much the PRC has contributed so that the homeless could preserve more dignity than otherwise while the U.S. government forces non-Sinophobic normal WASP Americans to ration their medicine (e.g., those who are diabetic). Yet, the working class in such regions are so uneducated and stupid (as opposed to treating the description stupid as an insult, one could treat such a description as an objective description akin to describing a red apple as being red), that they fail to recognize that Chinese counterparts disproportionately contribute to their high quality-of-life while a proportion of WASP elites aggressively leaches. Moving forward, whether it would be in the greenification of Earth or in the intense greater-than-the-entire-world-combined renewable energy push of the PRC, the PRC’s contributions to humanity are unrelenting.

    The following is a comedic clip as taken from Netflix’s American Factory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBR7TSjnSJA

    Video Link
    Although Xi JingPing’s PLA is not quite interested in the approach of “flattering the Americans to death”.

  • I agree with what you say 100 %. But please do not use racial slurs UNLESS the other person started using them against you first.

  • anon[279] •ï¿½Disclaimer says:
    July 18, 2023 at 7:17 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @tamo
    @anon

    You have a great point. More the better. I'm all for us Mongoloid solidarity.

    Replies: @anon

    Can you imagine in 2023 you got white british and americans cheering on/justifying Opium Wars and other atrocities against Asian nations while they virtue signal about their anti-racist credentials to bunch of niggers? Not to mention being scared of even mentioning the word “jew” in public. White americans are truly cattle who deserve whats coming for them, bunch of cowardly cucks is all they are.

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @anon


    Can you imagine in 2023 you got white british and americans cheering on/justifying Opium Wars and other atrocities against Asian nations... White americans are truly cattle who deserve whats coming for them, bunch of cowardly cucks is all they are.
    �
    Ironically, the PRC acts as the greatest savior to the global working class in imposing intense deflationary pressures on the costs of living in general. I watched a documentary where a homeless woman was rescued in Australia and due to my experiences living in Australia and some knowledge pertaining to the supply chain of K-Mart, one can't help but go through every single product in her new home and appreciate how every single one of them is from China due to the exceedingly high performance-to-price ratio that is offered by the PRC and only by the PRC. Indeed, one can compare a refrigerator that costs 3,000 USD as made in the U.S., to an equivalent refrigerator that costs 500 USD as shipped from the PRC.

    The fact that the Chinese counterparts are so aggressively driving STEM along also induces intense deflationary pressures, as, for example, Moore's Law and its analogies tend to drive intense deflationary pressures that are of the orders of magnitude, so much so that what are supercomputers of old can now be found increasingly implemented throughout the many high-quality medical imaging machines throughout. Indeed, Anthony Yen was such a person who had contributed to Moore's Law, but as luck would have it, ASML had obtained Chinese counterparts such as Yen and others, thus suddenly involving itself in these areas of bleeding-edge lithography/patterning when ASML was merely trailing its Japanese counterparts previously with barely much STEM innovation to show for.

    The U.S. fantasizes over the return of these sectors to its shores, yet one can't help but suspect that such would merely introduce massive inflation, and although one may not be interested in providing a quantitative analysis here, there are interesting documentaries that are available nonetheless, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36QeKOJ2Fc

    An an interesting article, https://www.computerworld.com/article/3665111/tech-talent-shortage-slows-reshoring-of-chip-manufacturing-in-us.html

    TSMC and its suppliers are in talks with the U.S. government to assist with the application process for non-immigrant visas in a bid to dispatch more than 500 experienced workers as early as July to expedite the construction of cleanroom facilities and the installation of pipelines and other equipment, three chip supply chain executives said.

    One of the main aims is to "improve work efficiency and help make up for lost time" in the construction processes, they said. The U.S.-bound workers will include contract technicians and workers with hands-on experience in cleanroom setup, pipeline installation, mechanical and electrical systems for chip plants, and other specialized areas.
    �
    -https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chip-maker-tsmc-needs-hire-100000012.html

    Taiwan’s higher education system, where 31% of university students choose STEM majors—compared to 17.5% in the U.S.—has spoiled TSMC. For jobs in its fabs, the company prefers candidates with Ph.D.s and master’s degrees more so than peers like Intel, says Dylan Patel, a semiconductor industry expert and author of the newsletter SemiAnalysis. Earlier this year, job listings for engineering roles reviewed by Fortune sought candidates with a Ph.D. or master’s degree.

    Some industry observers argue that TSMC’s education expectations are unnecessarily high, especially in the U.S., where decades of offshoring chip manufacturing and the lure of Silicon Valley’s high-paying software jobs have created a shortfall of hardware-focused STEM graduates. Consultancy Accenture argues that the U.S. is facing an “acute talent shortage across the entire value chain.†It estimates that the U.S. needs 70,000 to 90,000 “highly-skilled personnel†to fulfill domestic demand for critical semiconductor applications alone, in sectors like aerospace, defense, and automotives.

    High-volume fabs demand some highly-skilled workers, like engineers who research and develop technology to manufacture advanced chips. But the bulk of fab employees work on the production line and don’t need more than a bachelor’s degree, says Santosh Kurinec, a fellow and professor of engineering at the Rochester Institute of Technology.

    “Ph.D.s are necessary in the industry, but it doesn’t need all Ph.D.s,†she says.
    �
    TSMS in U.S. media today, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GnqyeQbdC0

    These days, with images of American tent cities with made-in-China tents becoming increasingly common, one can't help but wonder as to how much the PRC has contributed so that the homeless could preserve more dignity than otherwise while the U.S. government forces non-Sinophobic normal WASP Americans to ration their medicine (e.g., those who are diabetic). Yet, the working class in such regions are so uneducated and stupid (as opposed to treating the description stupid as an insult, one could treat such a description as an objective description akin to describing a red apple as being red), that they fail to recognize that Chinese counterparts disproportionately contribute to their high quality-of-life while a proportion of WASP elites aggressively leaches. Moving forward, whether it would be in the greenification of Earth or in the intense greater-than-the-entire-world-combined renewable energy push of the PRC, the PRC's contributions to humanity are unrelenting.

    ---

    The following is a comedic clip as taken from Netflix's American Factory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBR7TSjnSJA

    Although Xi JingPing's PLA is not quite interested in the approach of "flattering the Americans to death".
  • @anon
    @tamo

    Sorry for the late reply, but personally Id go further and add SE ASia and Turco-Mongol Central ASia to Sinosphere Confucian bloc. Mongoloid solidarity is essential going forward, since Caucasoids seem to have an unspoken code among themselves....which is why indians arabs and persians adapt much better to american society as soon as they lose their funny accents and exotic clothing. They make excuses about "culture" but we all know its racial....sneaky Caucasoids haha.

    Replies: @tamo

    You have a great point. More the better. I’m all for us Mongoloid solidarity.

    •ï¿½Replies: @anon
    @tamo

    Can you imagine in 2023 you got white british and americans cheering on/justifying Opium Wars and other atrocities against Asian nations while they virtue signal about their anti-racist credentials to bunch of niggers? Not to mention being scared of even mentioning the word "jew" in public. White americans are truly cattle who deserve whats coming for them, bunch of cowardly cucks is all they are.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM
  • tamo says:
    July 18, 2023 at 6:58 pm GMT •ï¿½300 Words

    China is still behind in ALL- IMPORTANT semiconductor technology not only in chip-making equipment but also in chip-making. That’s why China still depends on Dutch ASML’s DUV and EUV machines. I think China will start mass-produce 7nm chips at the end of this year while Samsung and TSMC of Taiwan island start working on 2nm chips at that time.

    I’m glad China finally developed WS-15 engine for it’s 5th generation stealth fighter J-20 .

    But China still uses foreign-made engines for it’s domestically -developed civilian aircraft-c-919

    These are just 2 examples,. Semiconductor technology is the BRAIN of the high-tech. As long as China can not produce high-end chips without depending on foreign equipment and design, China is venerable to foreign sanctions which is the case now.

    In my opinion, this American sanctions are a blessing in disguise because China will redouble it’s efforts to be self-sufficient in chips. I have NO doubt China will achieve self- sufficiency in chips WITHIN 5-10 years.

    the GDP in purchasing power terms is the REAL GDP. Even IMF and CIA prefer the purchasing-power GDP over the nominal GDP.

    The nominal GDP is pure bullshit. The nominal GDP consists of REAL GDP plus inflation rate plus currency exchange rate fluctuations. The western countries prefer this GDP method because this method makes the western GDPs look a lot bigger than they actually are due to their higher inflation rate and over-priced currencies.

    Young man, you should show some humility. If it hadn’t been the sacrifices the boomers made in China, Korea, Japan, there wouldn’t have been NO strong China, Korea, Japan.

    •ï¿½Agree: ChineseSTEM
  • anon[279] •ï¿½Disclaimer says:
    July 18, 2023 at 6:17 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @tamo
    @littlereddot

    I want them to come over here. I have the great pleasure in demolishing them. This is my biggest hobby. These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!

    Replies: @anon, @littlereddot

    Sorry for the late reply, but personally Id go further and add SE ASia and Turco-Mongol Central ASia to Sinosphere Confucian bloc. Mongoloid solidarity is essential going forward, since Caucasoids seem to have an unspoken code among themselves….which is why indians arabs and persians adapt much better to american society as soon as they lose their funny accents and exotic clothing. They make excuses about “culture” but we all know its racial….sneaky Caucasoids haha.

    •ï¿½Replies: @tamo
    @anon

    You have a great point. More the better. I'm all for us Mongoloid solidarity.

    Replies: @anon
  • -Funny video below from CNN acknowledging U.S. behindedness compared to the PRC in terms of a few areas of aerospace and in terms of wind-tunnel infrastructural ecosystems,

    A consequence comes in https://www.ft.com/content/c7139a23-1271-43ae-975b-9b632330130b

    Three people familiar with the first test in July said it stunned the Pentagon and US intelligence because China managed to demonstrate a brand new weapons capability, although they declined to elaborate on the details.

    One person said government scientists were struggling to understand the capability, which the US does not currently possess, adding that China’s achievement appeared “to defy the laws of physicsâ€. 

    Space and missile experts have been debating the Chinese test since the FT revealed the event at the weekend.

    Jeffrey Lewis, a nuclear weapons expert at Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, said China appeared to have developed a new innovation, but stressed the need to maintain a degree of scepticism.

    “We should be open to the reality that China is also capable of technological innovation,†he said

  • @tamo
    @ChineseSTEM

    Great Divergence happened with the coming of the Industrial Revolution (about around 1760). But by 1800, Europe was way ahead of China and in those 40 years Europe's technology progressed by leaps and bounds and much faster thereafter.

    China is still trying to catch up with the west. But there is a good chance China will be the biggest economy in nominal terms ( China is already the biggest economy in purchasing power terms) in the world again in the next 10 years and the technology superpower again by 2050.

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM

    China is still trying to catch up with the west.

    This is a possible misconception and I thought perhaps you would have possessed slightly different beliefs – although such perceptions may be found among boomer demographics and older demographics as expressed to a greater extent. Indeed, once upon a time, it is indeed true that the PRC was still catching up to the West. Yet, half a century later and these tremendous successes of the PRC can be found in virtually almost every sector, virtually almost every industry, and virtually almost every scientific subfield – where commentators of this thread including myself have merely skimmed the surface (as additional examples, the PRC today completely dominate the area of advanced wind-tunnel infrastructural ecosystems that with which contributes to the PRC’s STEM productivity in many areas of aerospace, or, alternatively, see the dramatic rise of Chinese counterparts in the Gordon Bell Prize recently once the Chinese counterparts have started to participate non-trivially, https://www.wired.com/story/us-technological-dominance-is-not-what-it-used-to-be/, https://awards.acm.org/bell/award-recipients). I sometimes believe that perhaps a proportion of those from the older generations, including those who are Chinese and East-Asian, might have romanticized the grind of “catching up with the West” for so long that they don’t even have that ability to smell the roses or to objectively appraise the revolutionary transformations that had occured in past decades, and such a phenomenon is not necessarily just limited to a proportion of Chinese and East-Asian demographics.

    Concerning the nominal GDP figure of the U.S., the issue comes with the many phenomena that significantly contribute to the bloating of such a figure as in the consistent inflationary phenomena that have been demonstrated in the U.S. economy in past decades, or, that one can recognize the hyperinflated financial markets of the U.S. including in the hyperinflated derivatives market of the U.S. that increasingly seems to trade on shaky promises. It is difficult to take the nominal GDP figure too seriously when the industrial productivity of the PRC is orders of magnitude greater than that of the U.S..

    In reality, there is merely a few niche areas left, including the niche area of advanced semiconductors manufacturing which have been blasted all over western media previously (note that the PRC is also becoming increasingly dominant in legacy semiconductors manufacturing, these semiconductors with which will remain with conventional economies for some time). Yet, in acknowledging the existence of the Dutch ASML that enjoys legacy advantages, one can just simply state here that its preeminent STEM human capital, and its major contributing inventors responsible for ASML’s EUV lithography machines, are predominantly Chinese, including the popular Anthony Yen, an IEEE fellow (https://www.semiconchina.org/en/1028). In such niche areas, the PRC is trying to catch up with East-Asia, not Europe, not the West, and not the United States.

    Otherwise, see graphic depicting wholesale East-Asian domination in semiconductors,
    https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/major-semiconductor-producing-countries-rely-each-other-different-types-chips

  • @littlereddot
    @tamo


    that can be used in debating against idiotic white supremacist MFs.
    �
    Sometimes I feel sorry for them. These sorts of people congregate at UR because most other sites won't have them. Maybe we are taking away their last refuge? LOL.

    Ron Unz runs it the way he does because he believes in free speech (at least I assume so...and bless his soul if he does), so having all the crazies running amok here is really to be expected.

    Replies: @tamo

    I want them to come over here. I have the great pleasure in demolishing them. This is my biggest hobby. These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!

    •ï¿½LOL: littlereddot
    •ï¿½Replies: @anon
    @tamo

    Sorry for the late reply, but personally Id go further and add SE ASia and Turco-Mongol Central ASia to Sinosphere Confucian bloc. Mongoloid solidarity is essential going forward, since Caucasoids seem to have an unspoken code among themselves....which is why indians arabs and persians adapt much better to american society as soon as they lose their funny accents and exotic clothing. They make excuses about "culture" but we all know its racial....sneaky Caucasoids haha.

    Replies: @tamo
    , @littlereddot
    @tamo


    These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!
    �
    hmm, to me, this is a super interesting topic. It is clear that that some of them are reasonably intelligent. So how could they be so wrong?

    My current explanation is "arrogance". When one is arrogant, one does not even consider the possibility that he is wrong. So there is no way he will research a topic honestly to find out the facts before he forms an opinion. Rather he cherry picks facts in order to support his favourite position.

    Then, the natural question after this, is why are they arrogant? And is the source of their arrogance all the same?

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @tamo
  • tamo says:
    July 18, 2023 at 5:17 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @ChineseSTEM
    @littlereddot


    More bullets for us to use with those twits.
    �
    There was a dramatic growth in certain kinds of academic material recently that are interested in the reevaluation of the attribution of mathematical discoveries to certain cultures, not merely those cultures which are East-Asian, but Indian and Persian (e.g., that is, modern Iran - interestingly, despite the dramatic explosion of PRC STEM in the past few decades, when adjusting for the past few years, Iran demonstrates greater proportionate growth in its STEM, as opposed to absolute growth, despite the savage sanctions as levied by the U.S. and the unfortunate Israeli-Persian social-cultural ethnic tensions).

    Not merely the source as provided previously by Roger Hart describing the Chinese roots of modern linear algebra which had acknowledged the transmission of Chinese mathematics to Europe, or other sources describing the Chinese roots of certain classes of simple algebraic problems (additional specific results can be investigated as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horner%27s_method#History), but consider another explicit example: https://people.mpim-bonn.mpg.de/zagier/files/doi/10.1007/978-4-431-54273-5_19/seki-takakazu.pdf

    A few interesting excerpts can be extracted from such a PDF, such as,

    But he gives no evidence at all for his assertion that the progress made by the Japanese was based on “hints coming from the Dutch.†Similarly, in the well-known history of Japanese mathematics by Smith and Mikami, we find a somewhat vague reference to “others whose names are not now remembered†who “might have formed a possible medium of communication with the West in the time of Seki,†followed by the more specific passage...

    But the authors give little evidence, either here or later, to substantiate the last of these assertions, and in general it has to be said that this book, despite the eminence of the first author as a historian of Western mathematics and the preeminence of the second author as a historian of Japanese mathematics, is marred in many places by the Western prejudices of its first author (cf. [8, p. XXVI, footnote 3]). The question about Western influence obviously cannot be resolved easily, at least without further evidence coming to light, and certainly not by the present authors. But we would like to add a few intrinsic arguments concerning the various “hints from the Dutch†theses, and then give some concrete documentary evidence supporting the opposing viewpoint, that Seki and Takebe had not had any direct contact with the mathematics which had been done in Europe between the closing of Japan in 1639 and the lifting of the partial ban on foreign books in 1720. The first and most obvious argument is that at least some of the discoveries of Seki and Takebe cannot have come from Western sources simply because they predated them.

    �

    Seki’s theory of elimination, too, although undoubtedly based in part on Chinese precedents, goes much further than anything that European mathematicians could have done at the time, or indeed for the next hundred years. Knowing that in these cases the discoveries were his, why should we doubt that other discoveries that Seki made, even when these occurred later than in the West, were wholly his own? Secondly, and no less importantly, the level of the mathematical advances we are speaking of is so high that it is hard to imagine how they could have been transmitted by general osmosis or “hints.â€
    �

    Seki’s approach to algebraic problems, as indicated in the passage just quoted, was extraordinarily original and innovative, but Seki himself, who was steeped in and deeply respectful of the Chinese tradition, typically couched his exposition in the context of this tradition, and indeed may well have believed that he was working within it even when in fact he was doing something very new. We saw one example of this in the first part of this paper, where he formulated his solution of a problem of Sawaguchi as if he were presenting an algorithm for the numerical determination of the sought-for root, but in fact showed no interest in actually finding this root but instead describes a purely algebraic procedure for expressing the solution of the problem as the root of a polynomial—a modern mathematician malgre lui. He presents the elimination theory in the traditional language of sangi [算木] but uses these in a new way, very different from his predecessors in Japan or China, and of course even more different from the way in which any European mathematician, had he achieved the same results, would have formulated them.
    �
    These days, I call the Bernoulli numbers the Takakazu-Bernoulli numbers. The Takakazu school of Japanese mathematics was a subculture of Japanese Sinophiles who continued the many sophisticated mathematical works of the Chinese which have been transmitted to Japan (and also to Europe via Jesuits). Indeed, today, the date for the so-called "Great Divergence" is increasingly being pushed back towards the 19th-century - that, when the Qing Dynasty was weak and when the Sino civilization was recovering from severe social-cultural political issues, many European supremacists had latched onto such opportunities so as to prolifically rewrite history thus shifting the date of the Great Divergence to dates as extreme as those of the 16th-century.

    And, it would appear that Mikami was quite excited in attributing Japanese mathematical discoveries to Europeans.

    Replies: @tamo

    Great Divergence happened with the coming of the Industrial Revolution (about around 1760). But by 1800, Europe was way ahead of China and in those 40 years Europe’s technology progressed by leaps and bounds and much faster thereafter.

    China is still trying to catch up with the west. But there is a good chance China will be the biggest economy in nominal terms ( China is already the biggest economy in purchasing power terms) in the world again in the next 10 years and the technology superpower again by 2050.

    •ï¿½Replies: @ChineseSTEM
    @tamo


    China is still trying to catch up with the west.
    �
    This is a possible misconception and I thought perhaps you would have possessed slightly different beliefs - although such perceptions may be found among boomer demographics and older demographics as expressed to a greater extent. Indeed, once upon a time, it is indeed true that the PRC was still catching up to the West. Yet, half a century later and these tremendous successes of the PRC can be found in virtually almost every sector, virtually almost every industry, and virtually almost every scientific subfield - where commentators of this thread including myself have merely skimmed the surface (as additional examples, the PRC today completely dominate the area of advanced wind-tunnel infrastructural ecosystems that with which contributes to the PRC's STEM productivity in many areas of aerospace, or, alternatively, see the dramatic rise of Chinese counterparts in the Gordon Bell Prize recently once the Chinese counterparts have started to participate non-trivially, https://www.wired.com/story/us-technological-dominance-is-not-what-it-used-to-be/, https://awards.acm.org/bell/award-recipients). I sometimes believe that perhaps a proportion of those from the older generations, including those who are Chinese and East-Asian, might have romanticized the grind of "catching up with the West" for so long that they don't even have that ability to smell the roses or to objectively appraise the revolutionary transformations that had occured in past decades, and such a phenomenon is not necessarily just limited to a proportion of Chinese and East-Asian demographics.

    Concerning the nominal GDP figure of the U.S., the issue comes with the many phenomena that significantly contribute to the bloating of such a figure as in the consistent inflationary phenomena that have been demonstrated in the U.S. economy in past decades, or, that one can recognize the hyperinflated financial markets of the U.S. including in the hyperinflated derivatives market of the U.S. that increasingly seems to trade on shaky promises. It is difficult to take the nominal GDP figure too seriously when the industrial productivity of the PRC is orders of magnitude greater than that of the U.S..

    In reality, there is merely a few niche areas left, including the niche area of advanced semiconductors manufacturing which have been blasted all over western media previously (note that the PRC is also becoming increasingly dominant in legacy semiconductors manufacturing, these semiconductors with which will remain with conventional economies for some time). Yet, in acknowledging the existence of the Dutch ASML that enjoys legacy advantages, one can just simply state here that its preeminent STEM human capital, and its major contributing inventors responsible for ASML's EUV lithography machines, are predominantly Chinese, including the popular Anthony Yen, an IEEE fellow (https://www.semiconchina.org/en/1028). In such niche areas, the PRC is trying to catch up with East-Asia, not Europe, not the West, and not the United States.

    Otherwise, see graphic depicting wholesale East-Asian domination in semiconductors,
    https://www.piie.com/sites/default/files/2022-10/2022-10-31_piiechart_0.png

    https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/major-semiconductor-producing-countries-rely-each-other-different-types-chips
  • @tamo
    @littlereddot

    Thank you very much for your reply. By the way, Man of East is Korean as I am. But he is more Korea-centric than I am. I like him because he has a lot of good ideas and very tenacious.

    A guy who goes by d-dan is of Chinese extraction is an excellent with finding various statistics.. I have learned a lot from him.

    Also there is another guy of Chinese extraction whose user name is FTB. He is also excellent in many areas.

    I think we all have our own specialties that can be used in debating against idiotic white supremacist MFs.

    Replies: @littlereddot

    that can be used in debating against idiotic white supremacist MFs.

    Sometimes I feel sorry for them. These sorts of people congregate at UR because most other sites won’t have them. Maybe we are taking away their last refuge? LOL.

    Ron Unz runs it the way he does because he believes in free speech (at least I assume so…and bless his soul if he does), so having all the crazies running amok here is really to be expected.

    •ï¿½Replies: @tamo
    @littlereddot

    I want them to come over here. I have the great pleasure in demolishing them. This is my biggest hobby. These assholes are so ignorant that sometimes I wonder where they got their stupid ideas ,LOL !!!

    Replies: @anon, @littlereddot
  • tamo says:
    July 18, 2023 at 4:33 pm GMT •ï¿½100 Words
    @littlereddot
    @tamo

    All's well that ends well.

    I am glad it all worked out. More bullets for us to use with those twits.

    So please ignore my comment #271

    Replies: @ChineseSTEM, @tamo

    Thank you very much for your reply. By the way, Man of East is Korean as I am. But he is more Korea-centric than I am. I like him because he has a lot of good ideas and very tenacious.

    A guy who goes by d-dan is of Chinese extraction is an excellent with finding various statistics.. I have learned a lot from him.

    Also there is another guy of Chinese extraction whose user name is FTB. He is also excellent in many areas.

    I think we all have our own specialties that can be used in debating against idiotic white supremacist MFs.

    •ï¿½Agree: littlereddot
    •ï¿½Replies: @littlereddot
    @tamo


    that can be used in debating against idiotic white supremacist MFs.
    �
    Sometimes I feel sorry for them. These sorts of people congregate at UR because most other sites won't have them. Maybe we are taking away their last refuge? LOL.

    Ron Unz runs it the way he does because he believes in free speech (at least I assume so...and bless his soul if he does), so having all the crazies running amok here is really to be expected.

    Replies: @tamo