Jake, which country club blackballed you or your father or grandfather? You have some valid points but your overstatement of your case and your continual repetition are comical

Western Europeans don’t, but Eastern Europeans, South Africans, and Southern Cone White Hispanics might be another story.

Great article, it should be republished to greater notice. This guy de Groot is too literate for my gnarled fingers..I read the essay and my knuckles drag way behind my head.
de Groot’s exacting replication of behind-the-scenes events leading up to the original men-as-raised- nails paper’s disappearance is illuminating.
This display of the way the real world works is depressing.

But I really liked the quote:
“I’ve searched all the parks in all the cities and found no statues of committees.â€� which is emblematic of our bureaucratic age. Fifty years hence will there be statues of ‘The committee on Inclusion and Diversity’, all members: a man, a woman, a Black a Yellow a Brown, a White? proudly sitting in an old fashioned Tesla in Central Park?

Very welcome.

Sorry, I was replying to someone else, not you ……and opps, made a mistake

Thanks for the good information.

/I got this information from the Greene library. Stanford University./

Well, Stanford can hardly be faulted for your lack of academic diligence.

Your claim that “The only reason Jefferson bought and read a copy of the Qur’an (sic) was to understand the enemy” — that being what you allege was his view of the Barbary States — is simply false on its face, since he purchased his first copy of Sale’s translation of The Qur’an in 1765, well before Mediterranean privateering became an issue for American vessels.

What’s more, it would look better if you actually had copied and pasted that chain mail to which renfro’s linked article alluded. Your portrayal of history appears to be influenced less by serious study of the subject than by a poorly written b-movie script, depicting Jefferson as some kind of Enlightenment age Chuck Norris — a caricature most offensive to Jefferson himself.

Jefferson was wisely diplomatic for years with the Barbary States until he was able to affect an end to their demands with military might. Contrary to what you present, his first correspondence wasn’t with the Dey of Algeria, it was with the Ambassador of Tripoli, ‘Abd al-Rahman, and it occurred not by letter, but in person, with John Adams — then Ambassador to Britain — in London.

Furthermore, Jefferson did not view America’s problem with them in terms of religion. In spite of a brief qur’anic rationale provided by Tripoli’s ambassador, Jefferson remain convinced the ambassador was driven by monetary incentive.

North African polities had endured periodic invasions and occupation by Spain since the 16th century. It was as a consequence of this aggression that the institution of privateering developed among the Barbary States, though it had many predecessors throughout Europe. Piracy, as such, was quite commonplace for the age in which it occurred.

As for Muslim libraries, your statement is about as accurate as most of those you’ve made to date — which is to say, not at all. The Egyptian National Library alone houses several million volumes, most copies of which are not available in America.

But even if we were to concede that modern American libraries are superior to those in the Muslim world, it appears not to matter much, since most of the American public — such as yourself — doesn’t make very effective use of them. One way you might put your time at Green to good use is by checking out Thomas Jefferson’s Qur’an: Islam and the Founders, which, as a quick search reveals, is currently in circulation there.

Of course, you’ll have to read and understand it as well. You might even locate some good texts on medieval Islamic developments in the field of medicine, a subject about which you also appear to lack knowledge. Here’s one available at Green right now:

Medieval Islamic medicine

Of course, if that’s too “liberal” for you, you can always hit FrontPageMag or Breitbart.

Your choice.

What nonsense are you writing about?

I got this information from the Greene library. Stanford University. I almost never use email. I check about 3 times a month to delete all the garbage. I text friends and relatives.

When I’m compelled to give online shopping sites an email, I make them up as I don’t want 5 messages a day from whatever store.

There are other sources of information than the internet you know.

Isn’t Exodus in the Jewish part of the collection of myths, fairy tales and mashup of a million legends?????

Soooo; you’re Russian Orthodox I presume? At least you decorate your churches beautifully.

What an essay!

Christopher DeGroot is the new Paul Gottfried.

This essay shows that even a philo Semite or anti – anti semite like this author can be right once in awhile. Trump probably is in the bag for Addelson and this probably will mean war with Iran if Trump takes 20; the Christian Zionists will support this war with glee as they think it means their salvation.

That being said, what is so bad about antisemitism? It is simply the age old perception that Jews – all exceptions granted – work as a group or tribe to achieve control over other people’s resources. Once upon a time, this view was just common sense. Then we got sophisticated. Now we don’t control our own foreign policy or domestic policy for that matter. Only the anti semites can explain how that happened and only by explaining how Protestant Christianity was progressively Judaized until it reached the point of the evangelicals’ messianism which could have been invented by Zionist Jews

The Menorah is equivalent to the Minaret.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190603143648/https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/menorahs-are-symbols-of-triumph-over-the-subjugated-goyim/

Dear Druid, you see
that this A123
is a Zionist troll
with a desperate plea.

So let’s let him be free
to embarrassingly
endorse a course
with which but fools will agree.

Then, when the fools
become nothing but tools,
slaving for Israel’s
family jewels,
burdened like mules,
yet embittered as ghouls,
we can give thanks
for our own set of rules.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2650488

The term jami’ah, meaning ‘universal’, was used to refer to Al-Azhar in the 10th century. The idea of the universitas as the site where universal knowledge is taught, where the branches of knowledge of a universal nature are taught (hence jami’ah, universitas) appeared only after the madrasah and jami’ah had been established in the Muslim world.

On the institution of the college, the university’s predecessor:

The earliest record of the employment of the charitable trust in England is 1224,when it was practised by the friars of the Franciscan order (Pollack and Maitland, 1952: 229; Cattan, 1955: 213, both cited in Makdisi, 1980: 39). Makdisi, following Cattan, suggests that the early English use of the charitable trust was derived from the Muslim waqf. This conclusion is based on the similarities between the two systems as well as the fact that the latter predates the former (Makdisi, 1980: 39).

As far as the internal structure of colleges was concerned, there were also striking similarities with their Islamic counterparts that predate them. Muslim colleges had the sahib (fellow) and mutafaqqih (scholar). The Latin equivalent to sahib, socius, an exact translation of the Arabic, was employed in the colleges (Makdisi, 1980: 40).

On the granting of degrees:

The Islamic educational institutions were degree (ijazah) granting. This
predates degree granting in European medieval universities. … Guillaume suggested that the Latin baccalaureus may have originated from the Arabic bi haqq al-riwiiya (the right to teach on the authority of another) but was unable to go beyond this speculation (Guillaume, 1931: 245). Later, Ebied and Young, aware of Guillaume’s suggestion, discussed the appearance of the exact phrase bi haqq al-riwiiya as a technical term in documents called ijiizah that conferred the right to teach on the recipient (Ebied and Young, 1974: 3-4). The theory is that the phrase bi haqq al-riwiiya was assimilated to baccalaureus.

Now, to be certain, the comprehensive form of the university as we know it today was likely established in Europe, though it nevertheless owes a great deal to institutions in the Muslim world directly mirrored in its own administrative structure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Constantinople

A few scholars have gone so far as calling the Pandidakterion the first “university� in the world, but this view does not take into account that the Byzantine centers of higher learning generally lacked the corporative structure of the medieval universities of Western Europe which were the first to use the Latin term universitas for the corporations of students and masters that came to define the institutional character of the university thereafter.[7][8] Nonetheless, the Dictionnaire encyclopédique du Moyen Âge tentatively identifies the Pandidakterion of 425 AD as a “university institution�.[8]

Also see https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nalanda

Well, Herzl certainly sold it as a colonial enterprise in The Jewish State.

Should the Powers declare themselves willing to admit our sovereignty over a neutral piece of land, then the Society will enter into negotiations for the possession of this land. Here two territories come under consideration, Palestine and Argentine. In both countries important experiments in colonization have been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews. An infiltration is bound to end badly. It continues till the inevitable moment when the native population feels itself threatened, and forces the Government to stop a further influx of Jews. Immigration is consequently futile unless we have the sovereign right to continue such immigration.

The Society of Jews will treat with the present masters of the land, putting itself under the protectorate of the European Powers, if they prove friendly to the plan.

But yes, it is more than that to them. Incidentally, I wonder if the Roma ever had any movements to go back to Northern India or whether that is all forgotten now.

/Can’t be done to the Devil though! Just push push push, give an inch and a mile will be stolen./

[laughing]

He’s fairly desperate for validation, that ol’ scratch.

/My preferred method is decolonization – worked perfectly OK for the Whites when they left their colonies in the 20th (other than their then neo-colonization through human rights warring!)/

Would that Israel itself considered Palestine a mere “colony” …

That was quite an impressive effort, and you almost had me convinced that I meant something other than what I had written, but then I remembered your singular inability to read minds and thought better of it.

Now, what I originally wrote was predicated upon the assumption that current international law is the framework from which to proceed. (No need to cherry-pick dates.) That didn’t change from one response to the next and if you read my words with this in mind, it’s easy enough to clear up any confusion, unless, of course, you’re interested in misrepresenting what I said.

Which, given your particular track record, goes without saying.

So, for the benefit of others who aren’t interested in so doing, here’s my position:

Peaceful resolution of the conflict in Palestine won’t happen without an objective criterion by which the contending parties may reach an agreement affecting detente. Thus far, the most practical, readily available criterion by which to do so is current international law. According to this criterion, most territorial disputes that existed prior to the establishment of the United Nations have been resolved. That of Palestine, however, has not.

Applying this law would allow both parties to reach a peaceful settlement to the conflict. Israel, however, has been and remains the primary violator of UNSC resolutions passed with respect to territorial dispute in Palestine and demonstrates no willingness to abide by international law in order to affect a peaceful settlement.

This is the well-established, irrefutable, internationally recognized reality on the ground.

Now, your statement that “the fairly modern world recognized the boundaries of Jewish Palestine and Muslim Palestine when the Palestinian Mandate was divided” is not only misleading, it’s irrelevant, since, in July 1922, when the League of Nations formally confirmed Britain’s mandate over Palestine, Transjordan was excluded from the Palestine mandate and from Britain’s promise to assist in the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

As such, not even Britain recognized Transjordan as “Muslim Palestine.” There was no such legal mandate for it and, contrary to your claim, no internationally recognized standard for either the League of Nations or United Nations to reject thereafter. Consequently, your entire argument collapses like a house of cards scattered to the four winds by a sudden gale.

Anyways, it’s been fun. See ya soon.

More central to the Zionist cause, though, are the useful Christian idiots. Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, and John Hagee—men whose Christianity is perpetually for sale, like a whore on the corner—keep the gullible evangelical crowd in its subservient, “philo-Semitic� place. An easy task, that, as these persons believe the recreation of Israel is part of biblical prophecy that will lead to Armageddon and the second coming of Christ.

Obviously these idiots are not Christian idiots. Not even Bolton with his Scofield moustache. Nowhere is it recorded that Christ urged war against the Persians. Rather, he said “love your enemy; do good to those who hate you; if someone hits you on one cheek, offer him the other as well”. The Christian heritage is extraordinarily high moral standards which they more than most fail to meet.

They are idiots yet cunning exploiters of idiots more idiotic than themselves, whom they lead to believe that driving the real Hebrews (who now call themselves Arabs) out of Palestine and putting fake Jews with names like Mileikovski alias Netanyahu in their place, fakes who are European Whites like themselves whom they instinctively support therefore, will lead to the end mentioned.

Those doubly idiotic ones should open their Scofield bibles at Rev. 19:19 where even Scofield writes notes about of the insensitivity of the professing church, the apostasy of the professing church, the “rapture” of the true church; and should understand that, notwithstanding Scofield’s fake designation “Palestinian Covenant” elsewhere, any of them who supports a “Jewish state” in Palestine is deeply sunk in that apostasy, is not of the true church.

Agreed on the principle, I was playing Devil’s advocate. Can’t be done to the Devil though! Just push push push, give an inch and a mile will be stolen.

My preferred method is decolonization – worked perfectly OK for the Whites when they left their colonies in the 20th (other than their then neo-colonization through human rights warring!). But an Island solution is good too – no gray zone to debate there.

exiled from the ACELA corridor cocktail party circuit, where Russell Reno and the like moneygrubbers can ask the well-healed

It’s a pity this parochial Groot brute never learned to write proper English. Will he ever be heeled? And who outside his ACELA corridor knows what ACELA is?

Idiot, 911 was a mossad/neocon job

Iran has not started an aggressive war since 1798, banging on about them doesn’t change that fact.

How to enforce neutrality? Simple – if an Israeli soldier is ordered to step their foot outside of the declared nation then neutrality is broken. What Switzerland has. Neutrality is not a guarantee of not being invaded, but it certainly helps. The nukes otherwise would do the rest.

As for receiving ‘just’ 1/4 of the mandate – see? This is just the continuation of cross-generational theft. Jewish ethnocentrism is commendable in this respect because unlike representative democracies, they can run for a century long goal – sad they choose to set the goal of daylight robbery. Give this and in 50 years more demands will be set. Especially if Israel splinters the nations around it and then plays them off against each other – this is just as the modern history shows, to expect otherwise would be delusional.

Geography is only important for outdated, 19th century warfare. No mountain stops a bomber or hypersonic missile, and the only real geographical defence lines that are remaining are oceans. There are exceptions, but geographically the closest one is Afghanistan, so this doesn’t apply to the ME.

So I would say, given the history of aggression by Jews since the first Aalias, given the undefendibility of a strip of the ME in the modern world (this is knowing that Israel is still paranoid about attack, even though it has started all the wars in its short history, and has nukes!), given the fact Israelis will still feel that an ‘injustice had been done’ by being given the right to rob even more (and two parties agreeing on taking the land of others is robbery, you do not address how this is justified from either a Jewish or Christian point of view – only from a-moral, profit seeking, tit-for-tat thinking), given the well known and powerful voices that call for Israeli expansion into the lands ‘from the Red sea to the Euphrares’, to save both Israel and the people of the Middle East the pain, the actual proposition of the final solution – sending all the Jews onto an island (not Madagascar, too big – Reunion, 3x Singapore as a landmass, and has a volcano to boot, so the rediscovery of the old religion of worshipping high places would be possible), is best. Then there would be ocean for defense, and no need to enforce any neutrality, since no more aggression on the part of Israel would be plausible.

Interesting that Hitler and Stalin actually went for approximately the same solution.

Typical Zio- jew reply. It’s so obvious. Liar!

A relentless and lying troll, you surely are!
And in your hate of muslims you constantly go too far
You are a zio-semite hiding as a christian white
Consistent with being a lying pseudo-semite

Africa has a huge population. So does Bangladesh.

How are they conquering the world?

Who said they were conquering the world? They are just degrading it by irresponsible breeding. If, in your words, “no matter what, immigration will continue” that’s one reason why.

Rather than beating on what doesn’t work.

Let’s examine what could lead to a solution that does work.

Any negotiated settlement needs to recognize the decades of bad blood and the competition for scarce resources.

Giving the sides enough physical separation:
— Provides for national and physical security concerns.
— Prevents head butting at the fence lines allowing passions to cool over time (hopefully)
— Eliminates the cost of daily armed struggle and defense.
— Allows each population exclusive and sovereign control over their natural resources, thus making each side accountable for the use and protection of those resources.

Trying to build a solution exclusively in the area West of the Jordan river doesn’t seem to allow for the necessary physical separation and definitely does not allow for separate control of natural resources. Any negotiations that drive towards a WIN-LOSE end state are almost certain to fail.

Finding additional land and water opens up opportunity for WIN-WIN solutions.

One of the more promising ideas that has been floated is a Southern Sinai option for a New Palestine that has no physical border with Israel:
— No attack tunnels.
— No terror rocket launches.
— No counterstrikes.
— No cycle of escalating violence.

The Gulf of Suez and/or Gulf of Aqaba provides fishing and the ability to develop commercial ports. Being south of the Suez Canal provides immense opportunities for Asian trade. Outside commercial investment and travel would no longer be constrained by violence related security restrictions.

Needless to say, Egypt would demand and receive a lot for this option. Initial infrastructure and reasonably priced staple goods would have to be guaranteed. Generous compensation would generate all of the necessary relocation for a decade or more as the New Palestine starts to build.

A government structure that keeps out the hardliner failures from existing Fatah and Hamas bureaucracies would be needed. Certainly the U.N. must be kept out to avoid any dependency traps. Perhaps the launch would allow for an Egyptian governor and policing for a fixed number of years. There would need to be explicit tests and/or time lines to avoid the appearance of an Egyptian colony.

It could even work as new land for Israel rather than New Palestine. How many young Israeli families are exasperated by the cost of renting or owning in the Tel Aviv to Jerusalem corridor. It would be much harder to kick start, because both employers and employees would have to transition together, but it is something that could be discussed.

None of this would be easy or guaranteed to work, but it does illustrate that WIN-WIN is possible if the right ingredients can be found.

PEACE 😇

Pager had to add Taiwan. Kin of like whey include the Saudi government in their machinations. It just wouldn’t look good if it was pIsrae alone

I’ve met a few of those Christians who visit Israel and like it. They’re idiotic morons, who have fallen for the machinations of Talmudic shites like you !

/Based on your logic/ … Which you predictably distort. No surprise there.

No distortion. Here is the logical framework you laid out:

… A pandora’s box question that will allow every people once historically “dispossessedâ€� to stake territorial claims.
… such history is irrelevant to the current situation
… it’s an offense that has a currently actionable, potentially non-violent solution.

Removing the names of the parties shows your logic framework clearly. You postulate that there is one set of rules for ‘historic’ claims and another set for those that are ‘current’ claims. I simply followed the framework you created. My solution uses your exact logic. All I did was add in enough time to swap the ‘historic’ position from party 1 to party 2, and ‘current’ position from party 2 to party 1.

You should give Ilya more credit. He realized that a time based approach was going to be unworkable.

After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago? Some will say time decay is exponential or whatnot, but that is casuistry.

Let’s look at your new framework:

For the most part, the world recognizes sovereign boundaries of every modern nation-state. Past disputes regarding these boundaries have been largely resolved, with very, very few exceptions. … If you don’t want to accept this standard, then you betray yourself as a scofflaw.

Unfortunately, starting here leads almost directly back to the same time based trap in your prior argument. In the 1920’s the fairly modern world recognized the boundaries of Jewish Palestine and Muslim Palestine when the Palestinian Mandate was divided. In the 1940’s the United Nations rejected this standard and stole land that was already allocated Jewish Palestine. Thus to use your phrase, the United Nations betrayed itself as a scofflaw.

Hopefully, Ilya is getting a laugh because this illustrates “causistry” in action.

AnonStarter is cherry picking dates that give his cause maximum advantage. My position is somewhat stronger as almost any date other than the cherry picked ones work for my cause. However, any claim based on a single snapshot in time is going to have a problem as things change over time.

I use the 1920’s division of the Palestinian Mandate as a good reference point and introduction. New visitors to the site and issue may not have any history. And, the 1920’s line is a workable compromise for borders that eliminates many of the flashpoints that would start another war. That being said, it is neither perfect nor the only possible solution.

PEACE 😇

/If what Israel is, is unknown, how can one confirm or deny whether the unknown has a “right to exist�?/

A wonderfully concise question reaching straight to the essentially fallacy of that demand. Nicely done.

“A” doesn’t really believe in an international standard of conduct, though. Like a good Zionist, he holds one standard for the Jews, and another for everyone else.

a cuckservative will gleefully give his daughters to kneegrows then raise the mulatto kids. but you better not say anything bad about israel. the only time a cuck wants to fight is to defend israel

“I think your point is to suborn the alt-right“

I think you don’t know what “suborn� means.

“Then they can be turned to serving your nasty little Neo-Nazi statelet in the Middle East�

This site isn’t one of your BDS protests in Oakland, “neo-nazi� isn’t much of an insult.

“put it to good use serving Israel.�

The best thing the Dork Right could do for Israel is stop dragging down Mainstream Patriots like Trump by having the popular cause of immigration reform be associated with mass shooters and Hitler fandom.

I realize you won’t benefit from anything I have to say. You’re beyond learning, and I appreciate your candor in making this clear.

I don’t deny that Jews seek a clash of civilizations between Christians and Muslims, and that some of them interpret what they regard as prophecy to realize this ambition. More recent history, however, demonstrates that they have used America as their “broom” by which to “sweep up” the Muslim world surrounding Israel. Perhaps this is but a preliminary phase in actualizing that prophecy — instigating Muslims to counterattack — though, ultimately, the fault would be ours for failure to oppose this design to the best of our ability, wouldn’t it?

For the benefit of others who might be interested, I recommend Dr. Thomas F. Glick’s Islamic and Christian Spain in the Early Middle Ages, which provides copious evidence that, far from “destroying” Spain, Muslims brought significant advancements in agriculture, commerce, government and education — among others — to the Iberian Peninsula. Visigoths certainly weren’t very sophisticated in these areas before the advent of al-Andalus and everything presented to “prove” otherwise really doesn’t carry much weight among experts in the field of history.

Thanks, however, for the opportunity to explain myself. Much appreciated.

Past disputes regarding these boundaries have been largely resolved, with very, very few exceptions.

For that to happen, Israel would have to declare its borders, which it refuses to do. This in turn highlights the irrelevance of “denying Israel’s right to exist”. If what Israel is, is unknown, how can one confirm or deny whether the unknown has a “right to exist”?

Not sure about confused, as much as dis-information source. I don’t know about Dumb and Dumber, but Hagee is no Christian. He spews hate. Following his rationale of the chosenites, why would anyone want to be part of a religion, in which they are second (third?) class members.
As for others quotes, such as:

Also, there is no evidence that any Democratic candidate for the presidency would do as much for Israel.

With all respect to Sniegoski, there is no evidence that many of them wouldn’t, either. After all, they all kiss AIPAC’s arse. Recall that part of Trump’s platform was getting out of foreign wars, and even told AIPAC that he didn’t want their money, because they would try to control him, yet he certainly seems to be headed that way.

The reality is that virtually all politicians are prostitutes doing the walk for funding. Nothing will change until elections are publicly funded, with private income or contributions banned, and a set amount given to each candidate contesting office. Make these corksuckers get out and knock on doors.

/We are beyond conversation here./

Well, then … Have it your way.

/Based on your logic/

Which you predictably distort. No surprise there.

It’s really quite simple:

For the most part, the world recognizes sovereign boundaries of every modern nation-state. Past disputes regarding these boundaries have been largely resolved, with very, very few exceptions. As such, those who want to reclaim territory as “rightfully theirs,” however recent or dated the history of possession, invariably stand in violation of international law (e.g. Israel).

If you don’t want to accept this standard, then you betray yourself as a scofflaw.

In which case, you don’t really have any moral high ground upon which to stand, particularly since the Talmud isn’t an internationally recognized foundation of law.

/University of Padua centuries earlier/

U of Padua was established in 1222, so … no.

Now if you’re going to claim that secular subjects were studied intensively in Padua long before its formal establishment as a university, then the Arab Muslim world still precedes Europe in this regard. One need only examine the history of such academic discipline beginning with the Abbasid era.

/Now I suppose you’ll post some falsehoods about superior medieval era Muslim medicine./

Well, I invite anyone here to refute the following “falsehoods”:

* The Comprehensive book of medicine, Continens Liber, The Virtuous Life, authored by Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (854–925 CE), was regarded in most European universities as the most comprehensive work ever written by a medical scientist for over seven centuries after it was authored.

* He was the first physician to draw an accurate distinction between smallpox and measles.

* He was also was the first to apply alcohol and sulfuric acid, among other substances, in medical treatment.

* He criticized Galen’s theory of four humors, conducting experiments with results that undermined its hypotheses.

* His text entitled The Diseases of Children was the first of its kind to deal with pediatrics as an independent field of medicine.

* The Kitab al-Tasrif of al-Zahrawi (936-1013 CE) described methods of treatment for which later European physicians would claim credit, such as “Kocher’s method,” used in treating a dislocated shoulder and the “Walcher position” in obstetrics.

* His text entitled On Surgery and Instruments is the first illustrated surgical guide ever written. After being translated to Latin in the 12th century, it remained the primary source on surgery in Europe for the next 500 years.

* He invented an early form of the lithotrite for crushing bladder stones without surgical incision.

* He invented instruments to scale calculus from teeth in the treatment of peridontal disease.

* He is the first to use replantation in the history of dentistry.

* He introduced over 200 surgical instruments never before used by physicians, and innovated the use of catgut for internal stitching in surgery, a method practiced to this day.

* He described how to ligature blood vessels almost 600 years before Ambroise Paré and was the first to explain the heredity nature of hemophilia.

* He the first to describe the migraine surgery procedure that is enjoying a revival in the 21st century, spearheaded by Elliot Shevel, a South African surgeon.

* Ibn Sina (Avicenna) (980-1037 CE) was known for centuries throughout European universities as the “Father of Early Modern Medicine,” and for as much time, his Canon of Medicine was regarded as an authoritative medical text therein.

* He introduced a radical departure from Aristotle’s Posterior Analytics, asserting that the latter’s method of induction must be replaced by a “method of experimentation as a means for scientific inquiry.”

* Ibn al-Haytham (965-1040 CE) was the first to explain that vision occurs when light reflects from an object and then passes to one’s eyes, undermining Aristotle’s hypothesis.

* He was the first to point out that vision occurs in the brain, rather than in the eyes.

* He was also an early proponent of the concept that a hypothesis must be proved by experiments based on confirmable procedures or mathematical evidence, hence understanding the scientific method five centuries before Renaissance scientists.

* Ibn al-Nafis (1213-1288 CE) was the first to accurately describe pulmonary circulation of the blood.

* He was also the first to state that nutrients for the heart are extracted from coronary arteries.

* His hypothesis that “there must be small communications or pores between the pulmonary artery and vein,” preceded the discovery of the capillary system by more than 400 years.

* Disagreeing with Galen, he stated that “the pulse was a direct result of the heartbeat.”

* He is also provided the earliest recorded reference for the concept of metabolism.

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All of these men were polymaths, so this is, in fact, a very short list of their actual accomplishments. Muslim hospitals, which predate the first universities, were also de facto medical schools. Basic science preparation was learned through private tutors, self-study and lectures. These were the first hospitals to keep written records of patients and their medical treatment.

Which brings us to an important distinction between early institutions of learning in the Muslim world and their counterpart in Europe: the granting of degrees, a phenomenon which has its roots in the Muslim world. European universities merely emulated this institution at a later time.

So your distortion of history simply doesn’t pass close scrutiny. While true that there remained an emphasis upon explicitly Islamic learning in the earliest universities, that curriculum would, in a short period of time, expand to include subjects such as literature, history, politics, ethics, music, metaphysics, medicine, astronomy and chemistry.

Enjoy your scoffing. It’s really all you’ve got left.

“Here a major problem is the (American) public’s lack of interest in foreign policy, something few people take the trouble to examine in depth.”
Yes, this is a major problem, and one that must be resolved. But will it? I think not. I find it difficult to engage anyone in an intelligent conversation, not only about foreign policy, but about the root cause of public opinion, and this is why. Inevitably any discussion of public opinion must include the psychology of how it’s formed, and who is behind it, which leads to talking about jewish influence including their ownership of the major media corporations, and such a talk leads to accusations of anti-Semitism, or fears of being branded an anti-semite.
We can no longer fool ourselves; the jew can not be separated from the zionist, nor the misnomered judeao-christian. All are the same, and are anti-Christian.

/After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago?/

A pandora’s box question that will allow every people once historically “dispossessed� to stake territorial claims. Furthermore, such history is irrelevant to the current situation in Palestine, which has remained unresolved since 1948. Israel continues to steal land to this day with the support of western polities, so it’s an offense that has a currently actionable, potentially non-violent solution.

So — Based on your logic — If Jews manage to keep their land free from Muslim Occupiers long enough, the Muslim claims will become ‘historical and therefore void’.

How many years is that? 100 years? 200 years? I would prefer to see a negotiated settlement that provides more hope to Muslim civilians within a shorter time frame. However, you outline a viable solution.

It has taken 2,000 years to get Jewish land back. Waiting another 500 years to obtain clear title thus ending Muslim historical dispossession claims … This is a burden, but doable if that is how Islam wishes to go.

PEACE 😇

You ignore the fact that, after the Prophet arrived in Medina, Jewish tribes were the thorn in his side that fought openly for the destruction of Islam. This is well-established history.

I’m not ignoring anything. You are ignoring the meat of my post, which far outclasses your common claim about Jewish and Islamic enmity that is not born out in modern politics in the West (see the videos of Rabbinical allegiance to Islam as one of its tools, which coincides with Jewish scripture that wants the West destroyed for Jewish gain) nor in history when actual physical clashes took place and etnire nations (Spain) were changed forever as a result of Islam and its documented support assistance by Jews toward that end.

We are beyond conversation here. The evidence proves that the Jewish Nation is guilty of these crimes.

It’s undeniable that Islam did provide for the religious liberty of Jews, which is why Jews supported the Muslims in those conquests to which you allude. It was a far cry easier for them to live under Muslim rule than it was for them to suffer under the yoke of the Church.

Not an excuse. You admit Jewish guilt in the destruction of Spain. The Jewish texts plan out the future destruction of Europe and the United States by the same mechanism, as quoted in two of my prior posts in this thread. Jewish self-interest will not have us excuse them for their destruction of our nations. It will have us rightly label them as our mortal enemy. If Jews do not wish to be held accountable for working in their self interest, then they need to work for it only within the confines of the modern borders of Israel.

Yet you ignore the fact that the shari’ah also protected the religious liberty of Christians, a liberty that was not accorded to Jews or Muslims under the aegis of the Church.

We do not give a fuck what Moorish invaders allowed or disallowed in our lands. They had and have zero right to Europe, and destroyed Spain’s prior population forever with the help of Jews.

We should destroy the population of Israel under the same pretense because some foreign nation would help it be more tolerant of us (Israel currently mandating the ejection of all non-Jews from Israel in the Messianic period)? You dolt.

Claiming that “Islam is derived from Judaism� places the cart before the horse. “Islam� means submission to God, which is something that all prophets of the House of Israel practiced. Ancient Jews never knew such a term as “Judaism.�

You have not made a point with your unclear gibberish. Islam is derived from and is a subcult of Judaism. Full stop.

Anyone reading this needs to read my prior post, in full, that AnonStarter has attempted to talk around; in order to attain the full context of what he is attempting to variously rebut and skip over.

Wow muzzies actually have their own “we are more American than Americans themselves’ lol. Your whole comment was idiotic.

Again, in this case, Muslims are taking an anti-White propaganda cue from Jews.

The case of the Orthodox Jews that settled in Postville, Iowa come to mind. They settled in a town in Iowa to open a slaughterhouse. They refused to integrate with the community, even marginally, and instead began agitating it as Jews generally do as a result of their perceived entitlements.

Steve Sailer covers the conflict in several articles, but I think that this one by Morris V. de Camp covers the meat of it most thoroughly.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/10/the-postville-pogrom-that-nobody-admits-was-a-pogrom/

Interestingly, the artcile takes the perspective of framing the conflict as a mechanism that may be generally parallel to most historical pogroms.

I recommend reading the article in full. However, here’s the general gist of the conflict. I circle back to my point about the “More American than American” propaganda at the end:

Buddhist rules of ‘covering over with grass’ (or not fixing an error with another error) in case both parties are in error – allow Israel their 1967 lands,

Unfortunately, the cease fire line in 1967 cannot be militarily secured. It was never meant to be a permanent border. Also, given the water distribution in the area trying to use it as a border would be tantamount to filling the powder kegs that would start the next war.

A reasonable compromise would be the 1920’s division of the Palestinian Mandate into 3/4+ Muslim Palestine and 1/4 Jewish Palestine. That would allow for a geographically sound nations with viable, defensible borders and minimal overlapping claims to natural resources. On a purely moral basis the over 3:1 ratio gives far too much to the Muslim side. However, there are few other options for sound borders, so it is probably the best that can be achieved.

The 3/4+ of the Mandate comprising Muslim Palestine could be further subdivided into multiple nations, such as Historic Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Jordan) and New Muslim Palestine. Where to place these divisions would be an internal matter for Islam to decide.

… but demand of them permanent, armed, military neutrality (not unlike what a ‘light unto the nations’ would impose on themselves, assuming that war is darkness).

This would only work if you could prevent hostile nations from attacking Israeli. There are daily provocations by Iranian al’Hezbollah and Iranian al’Hamas combat troops. Thus, all of the nations in the Middle East that threaten the peace would have to be equally bound. Binding only one side so they cannot effectively defend themselves is a non starter.

with the penalty of loss of sovereignty and nation were the contract to be broken. No second chances.

— How would charges be reviewed with due process?
— How would the penalties be enforced?

Stripping Iran of its sovereignty when it inevitably violates the agreement sounds good on paper, but without enforcement such a finding would be totally ineffectual. Look at the U.N. for a lengthy list of failures where theoretical authority was backed by no enforcement. One does not want to create another helpless, hapless, useless body in a new agreement.

It is an interesting idea, but I do not believe that enough nations would give up sufficient sovereignty to launch such a regional compact.

PEACE

You ignore the fact that, after the Prophet arrived in Medina, Jewish tribes were the thorn in his side that fought openly for the destruction of Islam. This is well-established history.

It’s undeniable that Islam did provide for the religious liberty of Jews, which is why Jews supported the Muslims in those conquests to which you allude. It was a far cry easier for them to live under Muslim rule than it was for them to suffer under the yoke of the Church.

Yet you ignore the fact that the shari’ah also protected the religious liberty of Christians, a liberty that was not accorded to Jews or Muslims under the aegis of the Church.

Claiming that “Islam is derived from Judaism” places the cart before the horse. “Islam” means submission to God, which is something that all prophets of the House of Israel practiced. Ancient Jews never knew such a term as “Judaism.”

You’re in luck. There are 100s of websites and the entirety of the MSM that will never mention it.

Chain email about the Barbary pirates and Islam

This is the full text of the chain email received by PolitiFact about the Barbary pirates and Islam.
To read our fact check of this email — which we rated False — please use this URL:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/feb/11/chain-email/barbary-wars-did-us-declare-war-islam/

And on top of that it is painfully oblivious you have never studied Jefferson. I suggest you get your information from official historical sources not chain emails.

/After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago?/

A pandora’s box question that will allow every people once historically “dispossessed” to stake territorial claims. Furthermore, such history is irrelevant to the current situation in Palestine, which has remained unresolved since 1948. Israel continues to steal land to this day with the support of western polities, so it’s an offense that has a currently actionable, potentially non-violent solution.

But “A” himself has made his disdain for the application of international law very clear. As a Zionist, he is, by default, at war with any who would hold Israel accountable to such a standard, one that, by and large, has recognized long-established boundaries of sovereignty for the vast majority of the world’s countries and would never admit the kind of pandora’s box legerdemain that he proposes.

He depends upon you seeing the world’s history as nothing more than a homogeneous mass of dispossession, with each instance bearing no distinction from the next. That’s how his hasbara works: wear the audience down with just so many logical fallacies until they begin to assimilate them into their own thinking.

Don’t fall for it.

‘My point is: Christians must fight the expansion of Islam everywhere, and there is no need to invent complicated theories of “Zionistsâ€� manipulating them.’

I think your point is to suborn the alt-right and put it to good use serving Israel.

Your professed concern about Islam is transparently feigned; but you figure others will buy into it.

Then they can be turned to serving your nasty little Neo-Nazi statelet in the Middle East.

More American than Americans themselves?

Well, as a born and raised American, I certainly wouldn’t claim something so absurd. Yet my familiarity with the history of this country allows me to confidently conclude that the liberties embodied in the Bill of Rights, particularly those of the First Amendment, are the best criteria by which to distinguish America from other countries.

Like you, Degroot is likely familiar with that history of the millennial Muslim world that dovetails nicely with his confirmation bias, one in which terms of the apocryphal Pact of ‘Umar held sway. The difference between us is that I don’t deny the Abbasid tyranny and its parallel deviations while Degroot appears to airbrush entirely such precedents as the Constitution of Medina and the Treaty of Najran from the portrait of our history.

That you choose to find this “idiotic” doesn’t bother me in the least.

This moron, A123, rants on and on like a mindless slope NAM. Skipping the answers that he doesn’t like and repeating his assertions as if they haven’t already been sufficiently rebutted.

He keeps paining Islam as everyone’s enemy. However, Islam’s entire theology as well as its apocalyptic (imperialist / mass genocidal) aims are derived from Judaism. As well as most of its law.

Judaism is best friends with Islam. Islam is Judaism’s “broom” as one Chabad Rabbi put it, which is intended to be used against Europe for Jewish ends:

https://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=4b2c56491272

Here is the Zohar text and Rabbinical commentary that admits that Islam will be used to destroy the West, so that only Israel is left standing:

Better leave

I don’t live in Toronto. It’s really not that bad. Scarborough is ok, but the central districts are all totally gone and compromised

African Christian alleged refugees?

Yes and no. The Rwandans that Canada let in back during the genocide went to Montreal and other Quebec cities. They are Quebec’s problems. Of course Toronto has some Black Christian and Black Muslim problems in the Somalians, Nigerians, Jamaicans, Haitians, Trinidadians, Ethiopians, Eritreas, Black Guyanese etc

Seems to me that regardless of religion, negroids are problematic.

Sorry to dampen your hopes, but the African Christians are just as degenerate.

I’ve also done a little bit of nitpicking and some minor research with the EQAO assesment scores and the things I got didn’t shock me either. Catholic schools with a HUUUGE population of blacks, and some other whites and filipinos did terribly on these assesments compared to the public school in that area that had whites, east asians and south asians, even though this public school was poor

First, I follow Dhamma, so not Islam. But I consider all faiths (Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc) to have religion (self improvement – for the little of what I know, my definition) – much much more than atheism or secularism.

Second, you make a good point with respect to Muslim thefts. After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago? Some will say time decay is exponential or whatnot, but that is casuistry. So, using the Buddhist rules of ‘covering over with grass’ (or not fixing an error with another error) in case both parties are in error – allow Israel their 1967 lands, but demand of them permanent, armed, military neutrality (not unlike what a ‘light unto the nations’ would impose on themselves, assuming that war is darkness), with the penalty of loss of sovereignty and nation were the contract to be broken. No second chances.

Thanks, I should have used the word Madrassas instead of seminaries in my refutation of anonstarter’s anti European Christian propaganda.

Maybe the blacks in the catholic schools of Toronto are African Christian alleged refugees?

I’ve met some Nigerians in America who were Christians who got out because their districts were taken over by Muslim militants.

What’s Toronto now? Half black and MENA? You must be aware of what happened to American cities when blacks took over. Better leave.

Mr. Unz… suggestion… Add a button for “Hasbarite�.

Mr Unz. Even more important, we need a button for “IslamoFacist”.

That way those who believe in the Box Car Death [BDS] system can proudly display the “Swastika & Crescent” flag by their names.

Fair warning to all readers.

PEACE 😇

“Also leading to considerable blowback was the tendency of Jews to sneak in in the train of foreign conquerors…”

They didn’t just “sneak in in the train of foreign conquerors” – if it had been only that that they did, it would have been no more than merely unpleasant and somewhat reprehensible. No – they actively SUPPORTED, AIDED AND ABETTED the enemy’s invasion and conquest of countries where they were residents, especially when it involved invasion and conquest of a Christian European country by a hostile Muslim force. The two most important examples are Jews in Hungary helping the Ottoman conquest of the Hungarian kingdom in the 16th century; and of course Jews of Visigothic Spain facilitating its conquest by Muslim Arabs. They did that knowing FULL WELL the horrors the conquest of the medieval Christian nation by its medieval Muslim enemy would entail for its people and society.

From the very start, right from Roman times, Jews had NO BUSINESS AT ALL, being present in any Christian European nation as a separate minority community of significant numbers. They simply should NOT have been permitted to spread all over Europe. They always were a racially-religiously alien, Semitic, parasitic, incompatible subpopulation with a distinct and conflicting identity, ready to turn treasonous or do socially destructive things when the opportunity arose and it suited their own group interests – the archetypal “snake in the bosom” of the host society. They still are so today, in virtually every white-majority country where a “Jewish diaspora” is present – now massively buttressed by the existence of Israel, Anglo-Zionism, and globalist finance capitalism.

University of Padua centuries earlier. Charlemagne’s fathers monastic college 740’s was a real college for the study of general knowledge not just bible study like the Muslim schools

Those Muslim institutions weren’t universities or colleges at all. They were religious seminaries for the production of clerics, not for general study.

The Christian monastic libraries and study groups soon developed into universities with a wide range of studies
.
The Muslim libraries and study groups were only for memorizing and discussing the Koran and production of clerics. They still are, 1,400 years later. A library of 40,000 books, everyone a Koran or a study about the Koran. That’s not something to brag about

Now I suppose you’ll post some falsehoods about superior medieval era Muslim medicine.
What a load. Medieval muslins used the same ridiculous Galen ideas of the 4 humors. Sickness was caused by unbalanced humors.

Enjoy your ignorance. Historical truth is foreign to you

Sorry, I must apologize for stating an historical truth.

The only reason Jefferson bought and read a copy of the Quaran was to understand the enemy. Shortly after the USA became an independent country a letter arrived from the Bey of Algeria

To America
From the Pirate Bey of Algeria
Re: Protection Money

“ For centuries Britain and other countries have paid the Pirate port of Tripoli and the country of Algeria much protection money aka tribute to protect its Mediterranean and Atlantic shipping form our pirate fleet. America, being a British country was always covered by British protection tribute.

America is now a separate country and it’s shipping is no longer covered by the protection money aka tribute paid by Britain.

The Bey of Algeria therefore notifies America that from now on you shall pay $XXX a year.
Please make arrangements to pay within 3 months or your ships and passengers and personnel on board will be seized, the ship and contents seized and personnel sold as slaves if ransom is not paid.�

Jefferson wrote the Bey and told him to go to hell. Algerian pirates attacked American shipping in the Mediterranean. Soon a ship was captured by Algerian pirates. The ship and contents were seized. The personnel were imprisoned and a ransom was demanded.

Instead of paying the ransom, Jefferson send American Marines to Tripoli. They attacked Tripoli, landed, rescued the American prisoners and did enough damage that the Bey rescinded his demands for ransom and protection money and American shipping had no further problems with Algerian pirates.

That’s where Jefferson’s well known saying
“ “ thousands for defense, not one cent for tribute� came from. Also the first 2 lines of the well known song of the American Marines

“ From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli�

FYI you liar. Jefferson waged war on Algeria and sent our Marines who conquered Tripoli, and rescued the American prisoners. Jefferson informed the Bey that if another act of piracy occurred the marines would invade, conquer again and stay. Bowing to superior force, no Algerian pirates harassed American shipping again.

Emboldened by Jefferson’s actions, the European powers stopped paying protection money and started fighting back. Deprived of protection money and profits of piracy Algeria suffered an economic depression. Algeria’s economy depended heavily on piracy instead of production.

Soon Algeria was conquered by France and became an agricultural country prosperous from food exports. And Algeria’s been far more prosperous from food exports ever since than it was from piracy.

You must be a liberal liar. Only a liberal could turn a defensive invasion into admiration for the ravings of a madmen collected into the Koran.
Jefferson looked at the Koran hoping to understand what he was fighting against when he sent the American Marines to successfully invade Tripoli.

Also, Jefferson was involved in the creation of our national library. Naturally, a Koran would be included in the American a national library as it’s included in all national libraries.

Muslim countries to this day don’t have the great national libraries that Christian countries do.

Take your propaganda away. We at UNZ aren’t naive high school kids compelled by law and parents to sit through 4 years of liberal indoctrination.

Agree, please take a look at trunews.com, they have a lot on this subject.

I just found out our “state department� has updated its definition of “antisemitism� to INCLUDE any comparisons made between ISRAEL today, and NAZI GERMANY of the 1940’s.

Who cares……do it anyway.

Israel is a midget Nazi country.

BRAINIER

I happen to be German-American and most German-Americans unless they are Donald Trump, really don’t have the money to out-breed anyone.

Africa has a huge population. So does Bangladesh.

How are they conquering the world?

And no matter what, immigration will continue.

The Zio-leanings (or just the outright Hasbarite credentials) of specific commenters here get more and more obvious as they continue posting.

I suggest they be treated like sex criminals… or, the yellow star of 1933 to 1945 in Europe.

Mr. Unz… suggestion…

Add a button for “Hasbarite”.

Once they have been tagged at least three times as such, review their posts, and if appropriate, put the Israeli Flag, or a yellow 6 pointed star near their name on all posts.

Fair warning that way to all readers.

“Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron.

Perpetrated by the Orthodox Jews to target Morons of the Christian faith.

Time that real Christians speak out against those that not only Crucified Jesus Christ, but would do it again in a second.

For me it took deployment to Iraq.

‘The U.S. Navy sent an unarmed ship into a war zone without an escort even though more than one was available. The primary responsibility for that one belong to the U.S. Navy.’

A Zio-classic.

Don’t forget how 9-11 was our fault as well. We neglected to provide AA defenses for the Twin Towers. Al Qaeda no more bore responsibility for that than Israel bore responsibility for the attempt to sink the Liberty.

What I’m saying is that our population problem is a problem of too few people being born …

Emslander, you are insane. Our population problem is too many people being born — too many in terms of everything from the earth’s resources to the quality of life. But given your values, may I suggest you move to India? No trouble about too few births there. You’ll love it.

I absolutely don’t care which race or races these new people should have come from. Sorry if that’s too Christian an idea for you.

Come to think of it, maybe Africa is the place for you. Even faster population growth than India, and you can demonstrate your Christian principles by helping to accelerate it.

You however are asking for this solution: we invaded your home, took half for ourselves, ransacked the other half, and now we will pay you to leave to a safe zone outside of your home.

You invaded first. Violent Islamic colonizers took every home by force in ~600 B.C. Muslims only have that stolen property because of Jihadi invasion and colonization.

So let me rephrase your proposed solution for easy understanding:

— Muslims get to keep everything they stole, because Jihad displacing Christians and Jews is Inherently RIGHT.
— Infidels may never reclaim even the tiniest part of what Islam stole, because that would displace Muslims which is inherently WRONG.

Can you see that there is *NO* chance that Infidels will ever accept your proposed “Infidels Get Nothing” solution?

Given the facts as they lay now (no time machine after all) there are two foundational stones that have to exist in any comprimise:
— The original land theft in ~600 AD cannot be allowed to stand. That land must be returned.
— The people currently on that land did not commit the theft 1,400 years ago. They deserve just and honorable compensation as part of the relocation process needed to return stolen land.

Muslim leaders want the fight to continue, because that is how they maintain personal power. Muslim extremists like you agitate for the fight to continue out of a sense of religious purity.

Fortunately, there is still hope for PEACE.

For every religious extremist and failed leader there are tens of thousands of more reasonable Muslim civilians who are willing to compromise. Muslim civilians on the ground that are suffering with little electricity, minimal employment, and a water supply destroyed by al’Hamas diversion of resources. Muslim parents who want their kids to stop dying. To give their children a shot at a better future, hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) would be happy to voluntarily relocate if they had they means to do so and somewhere to go.

PEACE 😇

Your ignorance on the evils of contraception destroys anything else you argue. If German-Americans had continued to have children at normal rates through the latter quarter of the twentieth century, there would be no immigration invasion, leftist fascism or $25T national debt.

Let’s outbreed the wogs! Arm the baby weaponry! No need for intelligent immigration restriction when you can just add more bodies to the earth’s 7.5 billion.

“there was a lot of Christian persecution of Jews in European history…”

And a lot of Jewish exploitation of Christian peasantry–especially in Poland and Ukraine as alcohol monopolists, tax farmers, estate managers, and various other parasitic capacities. Also leading to considerable blowback was the tendency of Jews to sneak in in the train of foreign conquerors–with the Muslims into Spain, in the wake of the Drang nach Osten into Eastern Europe, with the Poles into Ukraine and Belarus and of course with the British into Palestine.

What makes you say that?

Thank you. Most sane response here.

Judaism is a political system religionized – end of story!

Politics is, in many respects, the Cinderella of Jewish studies. Much attention has been lavished on the development of Jewish religious, legal, and social practice; probably even more has been written about the history of Jewish Gentile relations. By comparison, the study of the Jewish political tradition — with all that it entails for an understanding of Jewish modes of self-government, Jewish political perceptions, and Jewish political responsibilities — remains an almost uncharted area.

http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/jewpoltraduses.htm

I just found out our “state department” has updated its definition of “antisemitism” to INCLUDE any comparisons made between ISRAEL today, and NAZI GERMANY of the 1940’s.

Does this mean that if Israels treatment of the Palestinians mimics the Nazi’s treatment of the Jews, no one is permitted to say so ?

Does this mean that if Israels illegal land grabs mimic the lebensraum of Nazi Germany, no one is allowed to point it out ?

Does this mean that if Israels occupation of the West Bank mimics Hitlers occupation of Poland or France, one may not mention it ?

I believe our State department needs to spell out , in exacting detail, the CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS DISTINCTIONS in the two behaviors, so people know exactly why the comparisons are “flawed” and “ill suited”.

For over 30 years of my life, I was certain, beyond all doubt, that Israel was a “land WITHOUT a people, for a people without a land”, that the brutal expulsion and slaughter of Palestinians during its birth, DID NOT HAPPEN and COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED…That to even suggest it, was the worst form of “antisemitic” blood libel on the planet.

It was only when I saw the “Democracy Now” debate, between Norman Finkelstein and Allen Dershowitz(on this very subject) ,that my eyes began to be opened.

I wonder how long it will be before our “state department” issues its first NAKBA DENIAL REPORT, ….ten days…a month ?

What is happening to us ?

What is happening to our nation ?

American Christianity=Judaism Lite, and Jesus is God Jr. No wonder American Christianity is joined at the cranium by ZioIsrael.

And so we get the nonsense of “Judeo-Christian” even though Jews hurl insult upon insult on Christ. But that’s okay for most Americans.

Go figure…

Preach.

Wow muzzies actually have their own “we are more American than Americans themselves’ lol. Your whole comment was idiotic.

University is a concept from the European catholic middle ages.

Madrassas are not universities.

As far as I knew Lot was a part Jewish woman.

“The hypocrisy of macro colonizers criticizing the Jews for wanting a tiny of fraction of their land back”

Their? You mean the Jews who are largely Eastern European, of half Italian ancestry and almost no Middle Eastern blood? It was hardly their land.

If you restricted your comment to Sephardics from the Middle East, sure, I’d agree with you.

Christian zionists might be the dumbest creatures on the planet, left wing white women excepted.

They are fanatically loyal to a group of people who hate them. List all the things that evangelical (etc) Christians despise… homosexuality, pedophilia, anti-Christian hollywood movies, etc etc. You’ll notice that Jews are behind each and every one. Jettisoning Christian symbols from public places while putting up menorahs.

The idiots never bother to figure out the story behind their Scofield-edition bibles either.

“muslim violence against the Main Street”: are you kidding? muslim violence, all over the world, is manufactured in Judeo-Talmudo-Zionist fabric in the City of London & Washington.

If you change “western values” for “globohomo rot”, it checks out.

The solution is the wrapping up of the AngloZionist Empire as a whole, at which point Israel will wither and the land will come back to those from whom it was stolen, whilst the Israeli population will return to their homelands – yes, Israel should return its stolen lands, then the Palestinians can return to where their ancestors lived before (the ones West of the Jordan back to West of the Jordan).

You however are asking for this solution: we invaded your home, took half for ourselves, ransacked the other half, and now we will pay you to leave to a safe zone outside of your home.

This is robbery. No faith deems this acceptable – no matter the yearnings for a lost land. I’m not sure how as a Christian you can justify such possessiveness given Christ specifically instructed the Christians to give up worldly possessions!

I’m not claiming Islam is non violent – it did Nalanda in, and that was enough of a crime in my mind. But that Islam has shades of violence in its history is no excuse to have shades of violence in one’s own history.

600AD is only important if the lessons of 600AD are not learnt. In this respect, Judaism certainly has historically shown less self reflection and self improvement – less religion – than all other faiths. As Yehezkel Kaufmann wrote – they became a cult of ritual post exile, and there is no religion in ritual. Islam needs a lot of work too, for which the last paragraph.

Rape: it is a male issue, more than an ethnic issue. Sure there are cultural differences in erotic play (sex being the intent to make offspring), but in 90% of rape cases, the victim knows the assailant, and most rape cases in Europe are done by Europeans. I was unfortunate (and stupid in my usual extremeness!) enough to hit the porn culture in 2000 as a teenager, and although I always shunned away from violence, I will never agree with such statements as ‘Sweden is the rape capital of Europe’. Men rape, mostly regardless of ethnicity. If you don’t want to take my word for it, dig through the dark web – most rape porn/child porn/bestiality in general is made in the West (maybe 20 years ago they has more access to video tech, but certainly not now). Arab men? Good for videos of themselves jerking off in front of a camera. That’s what I found anyways.

And their uneducated reaction is at least understandable. When ‘dressing up’ for Western women means putting on skin tight tights on – leaving nothing hidden to the imagination, it makes sense a previous member of a conservative society might mistake that as an open invitation. The issue for this type of rape is education, both in the culture and the law of the new society. But to say just because you are Muslim you lack cognitive empathy is untenable.

Islam, specifically Sunni Islam, has the problem that it does not recognise Imamism like Shias, meaning the uneducated can make whatever they want of their faith. It also doesn’t do reform as Ijtihad is not favoured, so ritual sets in – just like for Judaism. But the Muslim reaction to 100 years of destruction of their lands, whilst not enlightened, is certainly no different to how Christians, or even Buddhists, would react if their countries were bombed, puppets installed for leaders, and tens of millions were slaughtered.

Cut them some slack. They were at sea for three years. It was more of a situational thing.

They can’t leave the war zone because Gaza is a war zone.

So the solution allowing them to relocate to a place that is not a war zone. You just agreed with me, you just don’t realize it.

The intention of Islam is to defend the Ummah. … The intention of Israel is to rob land.

A painfully obvious attempt at Taqiyya deception. The intention of Islam is Jihad. The intention of Islam is to steal land. The intention of Islam is elimination or domination of all non-Muslim infidels by forced conversion, execution, or dhimmi slavery.

Israel was always a colonial project,

The Muslim invasion of Palestine (530-540 AD) plus additional chunks of the Middle East and Europe. was always a Jihadi colonial project. The hypocrisy of macro colonizers criticizing the Jews for wanting a tiny of fraction of their land back is an open admission of the mind boggling hubris of Islam.

There is nowhere safe from a robber who has been handed the right to appease his victims …

What you meant to say is:

There is nowhere safe from a robber who has been handed the right to appease his victims with some of the wealth they have robbed off those same victims. Violent Islam will just push further in the knowledge it has established a principle: ‘we will rob, maim, murder, *and rape* slowly, then we will pay a pittance to the victims to give them the means to escape’.

You forgot the rape part in you original quote. Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe due to admitting Rape-ugees. Fortunately, Poland is resisting your Muslim Rape gangs.

Exactly!

And what’s it say about the Chosen that they’re so dependent on such jumped up White Trash like the Orange One and Nancy Pelosi?

And now with AOC and Omar they’re really scraping the barrel.

Doesn’t look like their empire is on such solid ground.

So, in the absence of any Titus or Vaspasian, I guess it’s up to us.

Time to gather all semites, fake semites, pretend semites, blathering semites, brown semites, white semites, black semites, purple semites into a basket, we will call it a deplorable basket, and blast it into outer space. Please, be gone from us gentiles, kill each other, love each other, we do not care, but please at long last fuck off. We do not need you, we do not want you. We don’t want to hate you but you make it impossible not to. My God, My God, remove these constant agitators from among us. They poison religion, they poison culture, they never stop, it never ends!

The Schill cowers when his lies are exposed to the world. The schill cannot argue the point

I concur Bengali Schill…. No one cowers like you do… How many Ph.D.’s do you have in cowering. It is said in the universe there one is one perfect example of each thing. No mere mortal of any kind could hope to even vaguely approach your ability to cower. I am truly in awe of your cowering skills. You indeed are the touchstone of all measures of the ability to cower.

PEACE 😇

no mass murders of Christians… that’s rich….no a slow, simmering, sinister, satanic destruction of Christendom using blackmail, pornographic destruction of morals, financial destruction of the masses through usury and manipulation,

Go play the Paul Harvey monologue I left up a #95. We Christians can and have done all these things to ouselves. No need for anyone else.

murder of our sailors USS liberty

The U.S. Navy sent an unarmed ship into a war zone without an escort even though more than one was available. The primary responsibility for that one belong to the U.S. Navy.

Was John McCain around then?

PEACE 😇