He’s gay?

I realize it was traumatic when you were outed, but most of us don’t have such concerns.

I was one of those naive ideological “free-market and free trade always� people. I’m better now. I don’t care what label is used to surveill, screw, threaten, and impoverish my people.

Use free grab app https://freegrabapp.com/ get the audio into your sandisk MP3 player

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/arnaud-dubus-astute-chronicler-of-thailand-dies-at-55
He had a paying job at the French Embassy when he decided to off himself

Anybody know if AM talk radio has lost listeners as the vlogs have bloomed in popularity? They lost me, and I’m not the only one.

When the 2016 election decimated the mainstream right’s credibility, I shifted from terrestrial radio to vlogs during commutes and desk work hours. That’s several hours of “viewing” every day while active in other pursuits.

Mr. Karlin, have you considered interactive media?

Maybe learning to code is the only way out, after all.

Biology is a hard science. HBD is a pseudoscience

animal breeding

(from what little i know about it) casa pound is a good example of that imo

it’s going to get pretty wild imo

the banking mafia drowning bestTrump in the swamp shows there’s no electoral way out of this and now them blocking all paths for redress of grievances in the public square is going to lead to thoughts of violent solutions but it’s very important that doesn’t happen.

1) if we lose they’ll do the same thing they did in Russia in the 1920s and murder tens of millions in gulags

and

2) if it looked like we were going to win they’ll have a masada melt-down and start throwing nukes around or more likely a virus (which will probably go wrong and we all end up as extras in a real life zombie movie).

imo the way out is a 4G version of a campaign of stealth non-violent civil disobedience using brains and imagination which forces the current ruling class to surrender.

tl; dr

don’t read siege, watch fight club.

Although Darwin got many things right, his pseudoscientific white supremacy is a stain on his legacy.

Don’t worry. White supremacism is dead after Obergefell.

It’s pretty obvious which of these judges has a better understanding of the meaning of marriage:

Darwin himself was a pseudoscientist.

Yes, he was. Although Darwin got many things right, his pseudoscientific white supremacy is a stain on his legacy.

HBD is a pseudoscience.

So you’re the one doing the “Watsoning”. But your local fundies will be glad to hear you say that Darwin himself was a pseudoscientist.

That’e a quite roundabout way to state that the average IQ of this site’s readership (or those who comment, anyway) is North of 115, if not higher. An obvious fact in my opinion.

Of course vlog is a medium that greatly favours women over men — insofar as it’s make-up-competent women who know how to dress and gesture conveniently before a camera.

The real question is: Why would an unqualified neophyte HBDer be allowed anywhere near a real scientific institution? How many HBDers have genuinely studied biology or genetics at a post-graduate level? How many have PhD’s in said disciplines?

Biology is a hard science. HBD is a pseudoscience. One cannot migrate from a pseudoscience to a hard science.

the youtube culture war has been going on under the surface for years with the alt-right (and adjacent) winning but most of the audience were kids who are by nature mostly apolitical so although there’s probably a majority now who know the basics about the various issues (race etc) only a small minority were fully red-pilled.

my guess is the great shuttening is going to push a lot of that mostly apolitical majority in the opposite direction to the one intended.

it’s going to get pretty wild imo.

The main problem with video is of course that it is inherently much less K-selected than blogging… (snip)… To a significant extent I agree with commenters like German_reader, as well as Ron Unz himself, that the shift towards video might be one of the indicators of looming idiocracy.

age.

kids stopped watching TV and watched youtube instead.

an Iran-American War [c]ould begin with a deceptive video on YouTube

That is a cute idea. Do we have any precedent for it so far?

I am reminded of the justification for Potatus’ impulsive intervention against Syria. My memory is foggy on the specifics, but wasn’t it a single deceptively(?)-presented photo that did it? That was a pretty low bar. A bar so low it could have been passed at any time since circa the 1850s with the advent of photography.

It’s rather depressing, but creating a video on some topic will generally give you ten times the views as writing out a more labor intensive and K-selected blog post.

This doesn’t seem to work on Unz. Featured Video Channel doesn’t attract much interest. Maybe Unz readers are easier and more familiar with text. I have a feeling that if the 1000 book test (Have you read/do you own 1000+ books?) was applied to Unz writers and commenters, positive replies would be way ahead of the general public.

You need to discuss Cliposphere.

Not a blog, too short to be a vlog.

But clips like this go viral:

Thanks, Jews.

https://twitter.com/indyamoore/status/1137790366609006593

Trying to negotiate and plead completely failed. Power does not relent peacefully. Swedish people, en masse, created a bunch of organic societies. The first unions were created like this. The co-operate grocer stores (which were co-owned by the shoppers themselves) were created like this. ABF – arbetarnas bildningsförbund – was created like this in order to educate the workers about their rights, and also to increase literacy. This was before universal education. This went on in sphere after sphere. Collective bargaining power is a mighty thing indeed once it fully blooms.

What happened in Sweden was essentially a state within a state, that massively increased its bargaining power vis-a-vis powerful corporations and forced its hand.

There are a lot of good points here. The way to deal with abusive centralized power is not to negotiate and plead with it. As Thulean Friend says, Power does not relent peacefully.

A more effective way is to bypass it on a popular scale with organic societies building a state within a state. In the US case it would literally mean rebuilding States within the United States, reclaiming power to new state based organizations. The United States has the good fortune to be large enough to have individual states with sufficient revenue and population. Local organizations involve the public in deciding on arrangements for their own healthcare, policing, education, politics and voting etc. A minimum amount of tax revenue could be sent to Washington which would become an irrelevant place with the FED abolished (each state would control its borrowing) and a figurehead President.

Since we share all but a smidgen of our DNA with our fellow bipeds, primatology must also be “racist pseudoscience”.

Any difference is the result of “conditioning”. Remember conditioning?

Some parts of the blogging HBDsphere have gone into or were recruited into actual science.

LOL. Who? Where? When? Recruited by whom?

To even approach anything resembling actual science former HBD bloggers would have to completely clean up their act and wipe all traces of their engagement with racist pseudoscience. Then they would live in perpetual fear that someone will uncover their past and out them.

This is perhaps the single biggest positive development

Doesn’t hurt to dream.

“But markets are not your friends and left untouched, a natural tendency to oligarchy and/or monopoly will happen”

Markets are people trading with one another voluntarily. Governments are about shuffling papers and waiting in line. Monopolies are created through government. Monopolies do not occur because people voluntarily trade with one another.

Jun 12, 2019 The Establishment Main Stream Media Is In Major Trouble

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Anatoly.
I only half agree, but others have said all of the same things I said a few days ago.

I guess all my comments fom 2010 on never made the top 1000 – started at Yahoo, when there were maby a half dozen to dozen of us posting about Ukraine and Russia. Lived Ukraine back then. Back then, we had some sincere , intelligent posts about the happenings in the old CCCP. Today it’s all CIA/Mossad/ Ukie trolls that just print out what they are told – No brains , just Obama’s propaganda Law – ” We now have the right to use Propaganda , Against – our Own Citizens “. I’ll stay here – in the East !

Jun 2, 2019 GOOGLE. BUSTED.

Google is finally facing long overdue scrutiny from the DOJ, hopefully the blatant censorship and tortious interference by Google and You Tube against content creators around the world, will be brought to a quick end.

https://youtu.be/5gjELh7GRIQ

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FEBRUARY 1, 2019 Google Screenwise: An Unwise Trade of All Your Privacy for Cash

Imagine this: an enormous tech company is tracking what you do on your phone, even when you’re not using any of its services, down to the specific images that you see.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/02/google-screenwise-unwise-trade-all-your-privacy-cash

I suspect that the next “Big Thing” is going to consign Facebook and a lot of others to the dustbin of history. This latest censoring effort is a bit too late IMHO.

I am discussing here the possibility in HTML5 to have person to person video, audio and text. Almost all browsers have HTML5 support these days.

At the moment, when a person communicates with another on FB, the message/video goes on to the FB servers before – if FB does not censor it – the recipient gets it.

With WebRTC, this will no longer be the case. The “information” will go direct to the cloud and the “interlocuteur” will be able to access it at his convenience. To the best of my knowledge, the only people using WebRTC properly are websites where people can ask a lady to undress and do interesting things. I am sure there is a lot more than that going on. 🙂

Here is some of the blurb by people promoting this way of working:

WebRTC (Web Real-Time Communication) is a free, open-source project that provides web browsers and mobile applications with real-time communication (RTC) via simple application programming interfaces (APIs). It allows audio and video communication to work inside web pages by allowing direct peer-to-peer communication, eliminating the need to install plugins or download native apps.

In a way, I think the technology has shot ahead of our ability to harness it in a useful way. Personally, I have bought all the necessary software tools for doing this but I have been too busy to try it out.

… mass media have always had to be K-selected in order to reach the masses…

Sorry, I meant r-selected.

Yep, agree.

There may be some exceptions for very well-crafted videos and audio broadcasts, but I’m not aware of those exceptions.

A lot of writing is dross–I’ve done plenty myself–but a well-written essay, such as some from Ron’s “American Pravda” offerings or Steve’s writings in Taki’s, demands the writer marshal every ounce of intellect, memory, and judgment to make his case.

Television intruded on the influence of newspapers and news magazines. Now YouTube is pushing blogs aside. It seems like the same pattern.

Also, there has always been elite control of most influential media. Hearst comes to mind: “Remember the Maine!”*

Furthermore, down through history, mass media have always had to be K-selected in order to reach the masses, because the portion of the audience with high comprehension and analytical aptitude has always been small. Until relatively recently, huge numbers of people couldn’t even read; they learned by word of mouth or from priests and public speakers.

So, today we see the same thing. Spoken-word mediocrity continues in the form of YouTube, and that becomes the channel of ideas for the largest number of people among those who even care about understanding the world.

Meanwhile, those willing and able to actually read and think can still at least find unz.com and its growing selection of writers like Anatoly Karlin.

*(“Speaking” of the Spanish-American War and the fake newspaper story that started it, one could reasonably predict that an Iran-American War would begin with a deceptive video on YouTube.)

Weimar Germany, where the world’s first ‘trans-gender’ clinic opened there in 1919
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I had never heard of that faggott, Magnus Herschfeld before now. Interesting how the “media” doesn’t let anyone know about what was going on in Weimar Germany that led to Hitler’s taking over.

“…the shift towards video might be one of the indicators of looming idiocracy”

Cast away thine eyes lest ye become a vidiot.

Consider also the problem of content life-span. Even in the <20 years of the Internet's in-earnest existence in a today-recognizable form, an enormous quantity of information has come and gone, and is either totally lost today, or as good as totally lost for being so hard to access. And I refer there mainly to text content. For various reasons, political content in video form is sure to have a much shorter life-span than text.

I have noticed a lot more “this video no longer exists,” after a matter of months or a few years, than the equivalent information-loss of text. That is, Youtube videos go down, never to come back up. As huge files, they are easy targets for opponents to take down (a high-profile example was the enormous archive of Alex Jones material). It is hard to re-post them, and gate-keeping is much easier. Text is easier to deal with, and is sure to have a much longer life-span.

Say 1,000 units of political video and 1,000 units of political text are created per year. Text-content information loss may be <50 units per year; video-content information loss may be 200+ units per year.

Video as a substitute for text, which is what most vlogging consists of, is for illiterate plebeians

This is harsh but a valid point. I don’t think Anatoly directly made this argument in his post. I would suggest an analogy to those who watch and ‘follow’ pro wrestling (“WWE”). It doesn’t matter what happens in pro wrestling — because important people don’t watch it; it doesn’t matter what happens with most e-celebs because they have an, arguably, similar audience.

The big exception to this: high-IQ adolescents, i.e. those who are not yet fully-mature adults. They would be expected to watch pro wrestling, and e-celeb videos, but by their late teens and 20s would ‘graduate’ into the adult world and move past both, but many will have been influenced by the pro-wrestling and e-celeb sort of content out there in formative years.

A quality audience also counts for something

I am reminded of the old 80-20 rule as applied to politics. It would hold, roughly, that

– The top 20% have 80% of aggregate influence on politics.
– The bottom 80% have 20% of aggregate influence on politics.
– Extending the 80-20 rule, the top 4% would still have 60%+ of aggregate influence.

So what of the behavior of the 20%? The 4%?

How are people in those cohorts more likely to use their available ‘political’ time (that devoted to the consumption of, and discussion of, political content)? I find it hard to believe the top tiers are watching political Youtube at anything like the overall numbers have it (driven by the ‘80%’).

A problem for many people on the Alt Right is that they are basically racist libertarians. Many people came from libertarian and/or conservative backgrounds and still carry that baggage, so they idealise markets. But markets are not your friends and left untouched, a natural tendecy to oligarchy and/or monopoly will happen.

I know. It’s amazing how many alt-righters cling doggedly to this belief in the infallible Market God! In reality, when a market–or a whole economy–is dominated by a handful of mega-powerful actors, collusion makes much more sense than competition. Having once been libertarians, you’d think that more of these alt-righter would be familiar with the words of Adam Smith:

“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.� ―The Wealth of Nations

The main problem with video is of course that it is inherently much less K-selected than blogging. It takes more effort to write and process text, but its information density is also much higher as well as the complexity of the arguments you can make. To a significant extent I agree with commenters like German_reader, as well as Ron Unz himself, that the shift towards video might be one of the indicators of looming idiocracy. But what can one do. Video now clearly dominates so far as raw viewership numbers are concerned – and by a huge margin.

Nails it.

After 19 years running G2mil, I am transitioning to mini-doc vlogging to adjust to our post-literate society. I focus on history, because it’s difficult to explain current events when most minds are cluttered with official history BS. For example, to understand American-Russian relations, one must know why the United States Army invaded Siberia in 1918.

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I couldn’t understand why YouTube allowed thought crime content for so long. I assumed they allowed it so that ZOGist intel agencies could monitor who was drawn to the content and study the progression of radicalization. This also allowed them to steer people toward their assets such as David Duke and Dick Spencer. Now they are shutting it down. Have they gathered enough data now? Why allow it for so long? I remember being puzzled by this way back in 2012.

It is clear smart phones have killed our attention spans. It’s harder than ever to read books. Things are winding down, the frogs are gay, the libraries are filled with drag queens. Buy and hold Bitcoin brothers, that’s all we have left.

Agree with you, as the article noted vlogging is less K-selected so you have much more stupid people in the audience than smart ones. Even I prefer commenting on blogs rather than on youtube as there tends to be more dense information in a blog. Commenting here is more fun than on youtube IMO.

Anyone have a idea what it costs to host Unz per month on average?

Have you seen any of Robert Sepehr’s youtubes? They do not have much in the way of original thoughtful content, but he puts his pedestrian narration over some really great video clips. His latest one is about modern Christianity in Europe and Middle East and if you just had the text or the audio it would be pretty dull. He has video of Vladimir Putin dunking himself in a frozen over lake as part of some church ritual which might be familiar to you but it was new to me and I thought it was great.

The Changing Christian Landscape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDgXOnD4HI0

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Putin dunks himself in icy lake at ~ the 51 second mark.

Video is a valid format when there is visual content to be presented. Cinema being the classic, but by no means only, example.

Video as a substitute for text, which is what most vlogging consists of, is for illiterate plebeians. As a means of transmitting non-visual information video has inherently lower bandwidth than text which makes vlog consumption a gigantic waste of time.

That vlogging far exceeds blogging in popularity is evidence that 90% or more of the human population should be eradicated.

Some videos are high signal to noise. It’s not inherently a bad format, any more than some vapid celebrity podcast is akin to Bach just because they’re both “sound”.

The problem with YouTube is that a few years back, for reasons best known to them, they decided to prioritize “length of time viewers spend watching a video” rather than “how much viewers like a video”. The result was to make YouTube more similar to television. You’d think the boomers who run YouTube really missed the old idiot box. The new system rewards those who stretch things out as long as possible, and punishes those who like to make videos that are “short and packed”.

This algorithm change put some animators out of business (animation requires a lot of labour per unit of footage, which previously had been offset by their high popularity). One artist I was following at the time (SexualLobster – yeah, his stuff was rather degenerate, but amusing) had his YouTube income cut in half, tried to keep going with just Patreon for a while, then seemed to give up and went to work for a studio.

I will never, never, NEVER be a video peasant. Videos are for subhuman swine. Youtube delenda est.

Edward dutton doesn’t get too many views. His videos usually range in the low thousands.

I also usually convert podcasts videos from Youtube to mp3 format. Or I just download the video into an mp4 format.

The mystery to me is how people have the time or inclination to watch so many talking heads on video

Maybe they don’t.

Google has a direct monetary incentive to inflate viewership numbers, and nobody has ever audited Google.

Only mass organising is a viable long-term path, and it needs to happen now.

I don’t understand why we cannot have an “open conspiracy” that encompasses the Western world.

I’d also like to add, that https://transferring-videos.com might work as a stopgap solution to (2) for some. It’s limited to only the few big Western social media sites, but at least it means that some of your content will remain up unless there’s a coordinated attack against you across all those sites. (which is, really, the direction things are going in. Federated social media with easy account migration would be preferable, but it doesn’t exist yet)

Well, unless that site is just a honeypot scheme to steal people’s social media account info and passwords.

I mentioned this in my last comment on the topic:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/youtube-is-basically-killing-everyone/#comment-3256799

But basically, I think that a big part of the solution is technological. Why has the Pirate Bay been able to stay online despite massive attempts to shut it down? Because 1) many jurisdictions are available to move the website to, 2) making a full backup of the website and moving between these jurisdictions is easy and fast

Neither (1) nor especially (2) is currently true for accounts on social networks such as Youtube, Twitter, Facebook or Patreon. If your account is censored or deleted for whatever reason (for example, the Terms of Service change), it can be extremely time-consuming to move your operations anywhere else, and the more content is in your account, the longer it takes (and you also lose all comments & subscribers).

This is like feudalism. A few landlords, many peasants. And no Yuri’s Day, either.

So anyway,
The solution for (1) already kind of exists – federated social media such as Peertube, MediaGoblin, Diaspora. PeerTube is like many different Youtubes, with “instances” that can be hosted by anyone, all of which can communicate with each other (well, unless they block other instances) and share data. Go to any PeerTube instance, and you’ll see a familiar interface. Moreover, the hosting costs are low because the videos stay up with BitTorrent.
The problem is that without (2), anyone signing up to one of these is no better off than with Youtube – in fact, things can be much more draconian, because any instance can be hosted by just a random guy with no reputation to worry about if he decides to go nuts and ban everyone.

Unfortunately, account migration is not currently possible in any of these projects.

Not in PeerTube:
https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/549

Not even in Diaspora, where it had been advertised as a huge feature since 2011, yet absolutely no progress has been made:
https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/908

So watch this space. The day that easy account migration becomes possible on one of these federated social media sites is the day that control over discourse begins to decentralize once again.

(I suppose the other option is that hosting an instance is made to be so easy that absolutely anyone can do it)

Until then, everything will keep getting worse.

To be honest, at this point, I can’t conscientiously recommend going into any sort of “media� activity

Awesome. Just when I started blogging.

I don’t get the popularity of videos. I can’t really watch Ed Dutton or any other youtube personality. They are just endlessly wordy. The information density is so low, I occasionally just skim through the transcript.

The question is whether viewership is really the essential thing. A quality audience also counts for something.

The mystery to me is how people have the time or inclination to watch so many talking heads on video

I download all the videos I am interested in and just convert them to audio-only formats like .m4a. I only listen to them when walking, commuting, at the gym etc. Most of the content is just debating, so actually seeing video is completely unnecessary.

Secondly, even if the amount of vloggers have increased, everyone have their personal taste. I like some podcasts a lot more even if their quality is about equal to others simply because I like their personalities more. There is a lot of repetition across the WN/AR vloggersphere, so you only need to pick out a few you like and that will cover your bases. I don’t think people watch/listen to as much as you think they do.

Lastly, a lot of podcasts are focused on particular regions. I won’t get Sweden-specific stuff from a US podcast. Just as a Russian guy wouldn’t get his Russian politics podcast from a Swedish stuff. And you always want to mix the local with the international to get a good mix. It’s not good to be too isolated, just as it is bad too be too unmoored from your roots and surrounding.

Ceding the media landscape is always a non-starter. Censorship increased precisely because it was getting more and more popular. I don’t have a magic bullet solution here – and I don’t trust anyone who claim that they do either. But I do have some ideas, by looking at what worked in the past.

Ultimately, I don’t think you can treat the media differently from society. I look back to Sweden’s folkbilningsrörelse for inspiration. In the late 1800s and early 1900s, society was basically run for the benefit of oligarchs and kleptrocrats. Workers had virtually no rights and were in many ways treated worse than during the middle ages, where many peasant swedes had remarkable amounts of freedom and leisure time.

Trying to negotiate and plead completely failed. Power does not relent peacefully. Swedish people, en masse, created a bunch of organic socities. The first unions were created like this. The co-operate grocer stores (which were co-owned by the shoppers themselves) were created like this. ABF Рarbetarnas bildningsf̦rbund Рwas created like this in order to educate the workers about their rights, and also to increase literacy. This was before universal education. This went on in sphere after sphere. Collective bargaining power is a mighty thing indeed once it fully blooms.

What happened in Sweden was essentially a state within a state, that massively increased its bargaining power vis-a-vis powerful corporations and forced its hand. YouTube is acting on pressure from Jewish lobbies but also USG pressure. There is no free market. If the “free market” esisted then YouTube would not purge these people, because it is manifestly popular and it brings in money. They are purged because of ideological pressure, giving to lie to the myth of the “free market”.

A problem for many people on the Alt Right is that they are basically racist libertarians. Many people came from libertarian and/or conservative backgrounds and still carry that baggage, so they idealise markets. But markets are not your friends and left untouched, a natural tendecy to oligarchy and/or monopoly will happen. In Sweden, nationalists are already starting to work on similar projects. Dan Eriksson has plans to create a large number of houses for Swedish nationalists, where we can have conferences and/or just hang out. The first house has already been opened. People talk about taking this approach to many other areas of life and I think this is needed.

At the risk of sounding stereotypical, we really do need to Think Bigâ„¢. Censorship will only increase in the future and hiding in the shadows trying to get money is not a viable solution, it’s a rationalisation for cowards. Only mass organising is a viable long-term path, and it needs to happen now. Depending on a small number of donors is a critical mistake. A decentralised system is far harder to beat, as various Swedish oligarchs discovered over a century ago.

One historical analogy to consider, is that a century ago a very similar Poz also took hold in advanced society, in Weimar Germany, where the world’s first ‘trans-gender’ clinic opened there in 1919. – In 1933 that clinic was burned to the ground by the Hitler Youth.

The clinic was part of the Institut fuer Sexualwissenschaft. It was exceptionally Pozzed, as you say.

I could not find any pictures of the fire, but, interestingly, I did find this picture of two German boys going over various “works” published by those degenerates, prior to burning them

One person who I think ‘does it right’ is that eccentric USA Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity, ‘Brother’ Nathanael Kapner … he does videos but always posts a ‘text – text -text’ transcript for the rest of us

The German expat Uwe Niemeier in Kaliningrad does it too.

http://kaliningrad-domizil.ru/portal/information/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFJ6j9Hnc4XDP8vECTeMN_w

He is also a good example of someone who started out with an independent site and then partially moved to YT.

Focusing on getting rich comes first, then you get political and social power.

Jews have always understood this.

The alt right needs to create a wealth accumulation wing.

Lol.

The most popular amateur political content on the internet are YouTube channels like Joe Rogan and Yury Dud.

So, it is true YouTube is the most popular overall for amateur political discussions, and that the intellectual level of these channels is not high (or not including any maths and theory).

But influential and popular written blogs? Livejournal is still extremely popular and influential, as a written blog, if most of its traffic just from Varlamov who posts mainly pictures (his blog is more popular than YouTube for him).

blogosphere killed off the legacy media. Not entirely, but plummeting

Legacy media dominates the political internet in terms of traffic.

Websites of New York Times and CNN, are vastly popular in America (top 30 traffic websites). RIA and Gazeta, etc, in Russia. BBC, Guardian and Daily Mail website in UK. El Pais website in Spain.

If we consider Reddit is higher than all these in America, but it’s mostly just conglomerating links to other parts of the internet.

The main problem with video is of course that it is inherently much less K-selected than blogging.

YouTube has always had many, many videos which have interesting content.

It’s just when you look at clever or nerd parts of YouTube, it never has much viewcount. Any slightly intelligent videos usually falls down to 200-300 views.

The mystery to me is how people have the time or inclination to watch so many talking heads on video

Video is great for music, entertainment, humour, film clips, or news / opinion where video is an integral component of the points being made

But it’s so much quicker to browse a text and review illustrations – enabling much more info acquisition by reading – I just don’t get the ‘vlogging’ audience numbers

One person who I think ‘does it right’ is that eccentric USA Jewish convert to Orthodox Christianity, ‘Brother’ Nathanael Kapner … he does videos but always posts a ‘text – text -text’ transcript for the rest of us

One historical analogy to consider, is that a century ago a very similar Poz also took hold in advanced society, in Weimar Germany, where the world’s first ‘trans-gender’ clinic opened there in 1919. – In 1933 that clinic was burned to the ground by the Hitler Youth. The pendulum may swing yet again.

It is indeed crazy time, absolue insanity. According to ZeroHedge’s Toulour, Facebook has just banned the Natural News alternative medicine etc site with 2.5 million followers, and has banned the word ‘honk’ because of the alt-right popularity of this guy:

Thanks. BTW here’s an Azer anti-Russian site that seems to basically agree with my conclusion:

http://www.zerkalo.az/2013/yolochnyiy-maydan/
“ЕÑ�ли такое положение не изменитÑ�Ñ� в Ñ�амое ближайшее времÑ�, Майдан уйдет в иÑ�торию как неудавшаÑ�Ñ�Ñ� попытка превращениÑ� Украины в нормальное гоÑ�ударÑ�тво. О движении в Европу можно будет забыть на долгое времÑ�.”

Indeed, you are correct about the protests seeming irrational most likely being of benefit to Yanukovych, presenting him as the more rational side. However, that might not serve Yanukovych long term. Ukraine is in dire economic situation which might eventually mean doom for the current government. The outcome all depends on what steps the government takes.

In Odessa region you would have to go deep into the country side to stumble upon a Ukrainian speaking milieu.

The photo above I have heard comes from a concert. Look no banners, no party symbols. 😉

I was not surprised by the size of the protests, I expected them to be even bigger in fact. The government represents their own people. Donetsk is likely to see a mass rally in support of the government these days than Evromaydan. Ukraine joining the Customs Union does not depend on the protests which in my opinion will soon dissipate. The only significance the protests so far have is making life in parts of Kiev difficult. So far the Ukrainian government has not declared its willingness to join the Customs Union.

I am inclined to believe that Yanukovych was hoping he will get massive crediting from the EU. When that did not come, and it looked like there would be no way to compensate for the loss of Russian market, Yanukovych made a U-turn.

Would be nice if there was actually any kind of economic analysis at all in the video lol.

Sorry here is the actual video.

http://youtu.be/hoRXdPqyP3k

I was expecting someone to play this music during the protest. 🙂

http://youtu.be/LNBjMRvOB5M

What about Ukrainian foreign nationals in other countries are they protesting outside of Embassies like they did in support of the Orange Revolution?

Money Masters Bill Still supports Ukraine signing the deal as preferable to Russian influence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoRXdPqyP3k&feature=share&list=UUhZRoC9bMegevAxFmee1oSA&index=1

Did Putin threaten Yanukovych with crippling trade sanctions if he agreed to the EU deal?

I agree that Yanukovych is very likely to emerge as the winner here and perhaps only gain in popularity rather than lose it.
The opposition IMHO is damaging its credibility with its current actions.
1. It is looking rather irrational from the start for demanding that that the government does what it already says it’s trying to do, except without additional negotiations which could save Ukrainian industry and give it much better terms. The government looks pragmatic and reasonable while the opposition seems like a bunch of whiny babies. It is enough to read Juila’s letter from prison where she mentions how signing of the agreement would automatically resolve all of Ukraine’s problems because Europe will help Ukraine for absolutely free (mentioning “free aid” about 15 times throughout the text). Most of the Ukrainians are smart and cynical enough to know that this is simply not true.
2. Sensing how the above is unsustainable and doesn’t really make any sense, the opposition now turned the protest into a general anti-government rally and presented demands that it cannot enforce unless it initiates a bloody confrontation (which it would very likely lose too). Chances are high that they (the opposition) will totally fail and thus make people even more disillusioned with them than they’ve been already.
3. The text of the association agreement was made public only recently and was not really a subject of debate until now. As more people familiarize themselves with the text of the agreement, many of whose clauses sound rather draconian and simply bizarre, and as the EU continues to reject the possibility of compromise or additional aid as it is doing now, the issue will sort itself out and make the opposition look worse.
4. And lastly, while both sides had committed transgressions during the confrontation (the government side violently dispersed one of the protests under dubious circumstances, the opposition side occupied and blockaded administrative buildings) – one of the sides had already apologized for its actions and pledged non-repetition, the other is continuing its strategy and not willing to budge even though its actions are highly illegal. That also isn’t very good for their image.

So my expectation is that both the rating of the opposition and the EU association is likely to actually drop in the coming months while at the same time push the government in the opposite direction from the one intended by the opposition.

First of all, that was an excellent interview Anatoly.

Just to summarise my views:

1. The protests are the result of Yanukovitch’s complete mishandling of the association agreement. For months he was telling people that it is essential to the Ukraine’s future. He then did an abrupt U turn 7 days before he was due to sign it putting it on hold. Not surprisingly people are confused and angry. Yanukovitch then made matters worse for himself by his mishandling of the protests. They could (perhaps should) have been allowed to fizzle out by themselves. Instead the riot police cleared Independence Square last Friday. Though some people were injured I do not feel the action was measured by international standards remotely disproportionate or excessive Yanukovitch himself and Azarov lent credence to that claim by criticising the police directly afterwards instead of supporting them (as leaders of any other country would have done) so that the police became demoralised and unsure how to handle the protests on the following day. The result is that though the crowds were certainly smaller than in 2004 and though the number of protesters set on storming buildings was smaller still the police lost control of the situation in a number of places in the centre.

2. The opposition has for its part however shown a lamentable lack of a strategy. It has variously called for the association agreement to be signed, for Yanukovitch and for Azarov to go and for early elections though it clearly lacks both the numbers in the parliament and on the streets to force any of these outcomes and though its repeated calls for a general strike have gone unheeded. Unless it achieves a breakthrough quickly, which at the moment seems unlikely unless Yanukovitch loses his nerve, this protest wave is bound eventually to subside (and is already showing signs of doing so) leaving Yanukovitch stronger than he was before or deserves to be.

3. As for the association agreement itself, having now read it I can say that it is in my opinion an absurdly overambitious document that threatens real and entirely unnecessary economic damage to the country. That by the way is a further testament to Yanukovitch’s incompetence and to that of his negotiators. The best way forward is for it to be modified giving the Ukraine the link to the EU that many of its people especially in the west and possibly in Kiev want whilst also accommodating the needs of industry and of the people in the eastern Ukraine. That in my opinion is entirely achievable and it worries me that people in the EU refuse to do it.

I think Raimondo has legitimate reasons for his opposition to these western-sponsored color revolutions.

As usual, the actual number is probably in the mid-point between estimates, about 200,000.

The 50,000 – 100,000 figure (it was probably 50,000) was the estimate for the previous weekend. This weekend the number ballooned to estimates that have all been in the 100,000s (I’ve seen the 1 million figure, that’s extremely unlikely).

“Vast crowds rallied on Kiev’s Independence Square, defying a ban imposed a day earlier. Estimates of the numbers ranged from around 100,000 to more than 350,000.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25176191

“Up to 350,000:”.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/world/ukraine-protesters-camp-out-in-kiev-1-3217911

“as many as 350,000”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/ukraine-protests_n_4371285.html

I have spent some very happy times on holiday with my family in the Ukraine: in the Crimea at Yalta, Evpatoria, and near Kerch, and on the Ukrainian littoral, in what was formerly an Ottoman province seized occassionally by the Russian Empire and most recently, in 1939, by Stalin, in Bessarabia really, at Serhiivka”, and in none of these places have I heard Ukrainian spoken by the natives, though I have heard it spoken on Ukrainian TV channels there and have seen that language written on street signs in those places. When last in Odessa I commented about this to a taxi driver, asking him if anybody spoke Ukrainian in that city. “Nah”, he answered, “only Russian – and Odessian!”

Wrong link above!

It should have been this: “Yanukovych Is No Alpha Male”, in which she wrote: “1 million Ukrainians have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest”, which could have meant in the Ukraine as a whole, but then she goes on to write about Moscow “opposition” protests of last year and in December 2012, comparing the numbers that took part in them with the “1 million Ukrainians” who lately have had “no qualms about taking to the streets in protest”.

Latynina seems to be found of the number “1 million” and its approximation “millions”, for she then goes on to write about the “oil windfall” in Russia that “even trickles down to millions of migrant workers”.

However, as regards her “1 million Ukrainians” who “have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest” that she wrote about at the beginning of her article, she then makes it abundantly clear that those 1 million protesting Ukrainians are situated in Kiev, for she writes later, when comparing the number of Kiev protesters of recent days with the numbers of 2011-2012 white-ribbon protesters in Moscow: “The 100,000 Russian protesters went home frustrated, but the 1 million in Kiev have stripped Yanukovych of whatever legitimacy he once held”.

She’s stating that 1 million have protested in Kiev.

Also, I might point out that In her haste to pump up the figures, it seems that Latynina’s attentiveness to PC has slipped somewhat, for she has written “Kiev”.

Shouldn’t that be “Kyiv”?

After all,one should say “Beijing” and not “Peking”, shouldn’t one, and “Mumbai” and not the Eurocentic imperialistic “Bombay”.

Which is all well and good, but following the same PC “reasoning”, the “Moscow Times” should then be the “Moskva” Times”, shouldn’t it, and “Cologne” and “Munich” and “Warsaw” and “Prague”, for example, should be “Koeln”, “Muenchen”, “Varshava” and “Praga” respectively, shouldn’t they?

I haven’t kept track of Raimondo in years (I was opposed to the Iraq war and enjoyed his website at that time); my impression is that he really hates the neocons – nothing wrong with that! – and therefore he has a knee-jerk reaction of opposing whatever it is that neocons support. This has led him to the very strange place of supporting the Yanukovich government in Ukraine.

Yes, you are correct. I think age plays a role also. Even in the East, support for Eurasia is overwhelming among the pensioners but is actually slightly lower than support for the EU among those in their late teens/early twenties, the demographic most likely to be hotheaded and to protest.

Is she referring to 1 million protestors all across the Ukraine or just in Kiev? Because 1 million across the country could be possible, but even the BBC the other day mentioned 20,000 people protesting in Kiev, down from a weekend peak of about 50,000-100,000 (depending on who your source is).

Well I meant overall, not one specific group or age bracket. It’s was about 38% for and 38% against – at least that’s what it was last week. it looks to me like the country is pretty split on this issue.

We also have to ask why this is. Even notorious Russophobe, Julia Ioffe, has been tweeting how young Ukrainians have this almost imaginary view of a EU which only exists in their fantasies. I mean have they paid attention to the MILLIONS marching against austerity in Greece & Spain? I have to agree with Justin Raimondo when he writes: “This Orange movement is dried up and rotten to the core, a juice-less phenomenon which holds up as a political ideal the faceless bureaucracy of Brussels, which is rightly hated from Greece to Spain to what used to be the free country of England.”

Good luck with that!

It was evenly split until the summer, when the pro-EU pulled ahead. Moreover, there are large geographical and age differences: younger people and those in the western and central parts of the country (such as Kiev) are more pro-EU. Pro-EU support is probably overwhelming among Kiev’s youth.

“In such a situation, when such a government makes far-reaching decisions against the wishes of the people on an issue that has become important for them, there is certainly a built-in risk for instability.”

How so?

Most polls show the Ukrainian population evenly split on the EU trade agreement. How is this in any sense a majority?

Nice to hear Anatoly has not lost some of those Lancashire vowels that he must have picked up during some of his formative years in my home county.

The Moscow Times head-banger-in-chief reckons there are a million protesting in Kiev and compares their numbers with that of her buddies, whose numbers in Moscow, she now admits, were at a maximum of 100,000:

“It turns out that 1 million Ukrainians have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest if they find their president’s actions insulting — and that’s even after riot police had broken up earlier demonstrations. In Moscow, a city of 14 million, even generous estimates put the maximum number of demonstrators during the peak of the protests in December 2011 at 100,000. After that, a turnout of 30,000 or 40,000 at subsequent protests in 2012 was the most that organizers could muster.”

See: “Yanukovych’s Russian Gambit”.

I don’t recall her playing down the Moscow white-ribbonist figures at the time of their protests, however.

Not surprising, given the composition of the parliament. I have no idea what will happen next. I admit I was surprised by the scope of the protests, and I won’t predict whether or not they will eventually disperse empty-handed or whether there will be more to come.

But the entire situation is ultimately a reflection of the fact that the government does not represent the people’s will. Yes, it was elected completely legally in free and fair elections, and yes the opposition itself is to blame for splitting their votes and letting the “Blue” side control the parliament in spite of the “Orange” or European-oriented side having more voters. But nevertheless the bottom line is that the parliament does not represent the people (even if this is totally legal, even if it isn’t the parliamentary election winners’ fault, etc.). And we see the fruits of this type of victory. In such a situation, when such a government makes far-reaching decisions against the wishes of the people on an issue that has become important for them, there is certainly a built-in risk for instability. If there is no legitimate outlet for their expressions, the people will either sullenly surrender, or take to the streets. We see that the latter has happened.

If the protesters lose, Russia will have an interesting newest member of the Customs Union. People not only in Galicia but in Kiev are talking about boycotting all Russian products (other than gas, presumably). Acts of vandalism or even terrorism (the younger the person, the more likely they are to do such things, and the youth are active here) against Russian interests wouldn’t even be out of the question.

Nice to see you on RT again. While the financial pros/cons narrative is plausible, what about the timing of Yanukovych’s switch? As far as I know the conditions were the same before and after, no?

So that is what your voice sounds like.

Except, of course, Canada is dominated by the USA. Hence Russia can never be such a “nice, harmless” country.

Such complete paradigm shift is simply impossible – that’s why I find advocating it silly (I don’t think even a complete shock like world war could do this to a country). Russia will not be Estonia unless you reduce Russia to the size of Estonia and it’s population to few millions. Navalny once said something else, that with a lot of work Russia could be an “irrational, metaphysical Canada” – sounds more like it 🙂

I know the idea of a paradigm shift is an old one and not mine originally, but that does not make it invalid, does it? Of course, if there is no desire to become a normal country and most of Russians like the way their country is run, then, by all means, please continue…

Uh, AM didn’t say it was an offense, simply a bore. You think you are being provocative and offering a challenge, but everyone here has heard it all a million times. You are simply spouting conventional wisdom while trying to pass it off as original thought. Oh, and the day Russia becomes a “normal” country is the day I pack my bags and leave. Crazy, I know, but some of us like it the way it is.

You and anyone else who feels involved should not take it as an offence but as a challenge. Russians are not worse than Estonians, like Navalny said…

Ildar, you know, all russophobes that venture to this (and other) Russia bolgs are always about the same thing. Soon you will say Russia should apologise to everyone everywhere for existing, and how this will be a good first step on the road to “a complete paradigm shift”…