Very deep.

Thanks, Chuck. I was gonna post somethin’ serious, but could only laugh at how bizarre Trump is gettin’–way worse than the one bad acid trip I had long ago–gyrating, multicolored talking rabbits and all! Cheers!

The really incredible error begging some further explanation is how the Iranian SAM crew mistook the Ukrainian 737-800 for a cruise missile at all…

As you go on to explain, there’s nothing incredible about it.

From where I sit, the Iranians should have anticipated just such error-inducing tactics as you suggested to be employed to dilute, if not invert the message their retaliatory salvoes sent. Why they didn’t short-circuit them by closing the airspace is what I view as incredible.

I have little doubt that closing the airspace would have been considered. It would be interesting to hear how they determined that it should be kept open because I can’t think of any argument that wouldn’t be classified as “political”. If so, allowing a political determination to trump the public’s safety points to a breach of public trust. It would have to be an almost unimaginably strong political argument to overcome that, not to mention overcoming the political fallout from any catastrophe. I’d bet that the decision makers are regretting it today.

As it is, details are emerging underscoring the fact that we don’t know the half of what actually occurred. Amongst these are that PS 752’s transponder apparently turned off some 30 seconds before the missile hit and that the rather older mobile TOR battery that shot it down was not fully integrated into the wider AD network.

Other details are likely to emerge, changing our perception of the event. As were the examples you cited, I expect any technical details to be quite straightforwardly explicable. The political decision not so much.

Destroying Israel, on the other hand, is simply a matter of persuading enough Jews to book flights from Ben Gurion to JFK.

Yes, but can you imagine the kvetching? The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth?

As far as I understand it; 80% of the SAA is Sunni, it seems hardly credible that they would have fought with such devotion for a state which disowned them.

As for the downing of PS 752, the rather incredible error here is Iran’s failure to close its airspace to civilian traffic. It was asking for trouble.

Perhaps, but the NY Times reported that 18 airliners had taken off from Tehran’s international airport in the aftermath of the Iranian missile attack on U.S. bases in Iraq — apparently safely and without incident — before the Ukrainian 737 was shot down.

As is, this incident does not compute. There must be a missing factor.

The really incredible error begging some further explanation is how the Iranian SAM crew mistook the Ukrainian 737-800 for a cruise missile at all, when there should have been nothing extraordinary or alarming about this particular 737 to distinguish it from those that had passed safely through this same airspace earlier.

By then there was already independent assessment of flight paths out of Tehran’s airport that day to show PS752’s flight path was consistent with previous take-offs. Ukraine Airlines even compiled flight path data going back to November to show there was no abnormality. “There was no deviation from flight path despite someone wants to imply this,â€� Sosnovsky told a briefing in Kiev. While the flight had made a slight turn north – as had been done on previous days – the heading adjustment was “strictly in accordance with the controller’s permission.â€� — Will Horton, Forbes

What was it about this particular airliner that caused the Iranians to panic and launch two SAMs at it? Could there have been some kind of jiggery pokery going on to spoof the Iranians into firing at the the 737?

Into the realm of conjecture, I say a decoy drone could mimic the electronic signature of any aircraft, and attract the attention of nearby anti-aircraft radar assets like a SAM battery. Indeed, a ground-hugging, radar evading/stealth cruise missile or decoy could have been flown across the immediate vicinity of Tehran’s airport, popped-up with a big juicy cruise missile signature just as the Ukrainian 737 was taking off, and then have ducked down again. You remember the ducks. You may remember also the incident from Sept. 17, 2018, where a Russian Il-20 was shot down by a Syrian SAM after IAF jets played peek-a-boo, hiding behind the Russian turboprop, and fooling the Syrians into firing at it.

At this stage, it’s purely my speculation, but I wonder if something like the MALD might be the missing factor?

The Miniature Air Launched Decoy (MALD) is a nine-foot, 300 pound drone designated for electronic warfare and designed to copy the flight profiles of US aircraft, which confuses the enemy’s integrated air defense systems.

The MALD is launched from an aircraft in-flight and travels a pre-programmed course of up to 100 checkpoints over a 500 nm range. As it’s flying around, its state-of-the-art Signature Augmentation Subsystem (SAS), comprised of various active radar enhancers covering a range of frequencies, is pumping out signals that mimic the radar signature and flight profiles of a larger, more dangerous, allied aircraft—anything from the B-52 Stratofortress to the F-117 Nighthawk.

— This UAV Decoy Can Fool Even the Smartest SAM
Andrew Tarantola, Gizmodo

Of course, there would never be any need for a decoy drone to mimic a civilian airliner, would there?

Thanks for that Iris!

I have little doubt that Solomeini’s murder catalysed whatever kept the Axis of Resistance from forming in an official/public manner previously. Doubtless much of the normal jostling for position that prevented it came to a halt as the presence of the enemy made itself abundantly clear. The flag display amounted to an inaugural announcement, which the Western media will do its best to bury.

Incredibly, Pompeo rejected Abdul Mahdi’s official request to send a delegation to Baghdad to discuss troop withdrawal, saying the US is prepared to discuss only the “appropriate force posture in the Middle Eastâ€�. So, it looks like the US has chosen to challenge the Axis to implement its 1,000 cuts plan. One can hope it’ll take less than 1,000.

As for the downing of PS 752, the rather incredible error here is Iran’s failure to close its airspace to civilian traffic. It was asking for trouble.

Oh well, it’s all in the open now and at least Iran has owned up without any undue delay.

Like Fox CNN WSJ NYT do

, Masih Alinejad, has been repeatedly echoing the administration’s claims that Iranians, despite all visible evidence, were welcoming Trump’s potential act of war against Iran.

Fox News for example presented Alinejad – who appeared on the network on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday – as an “Iranian journalist� or “Iranian journalist and activist,� missing a key detail about her biography: she’s paid by the U.S. government. CNN, and New York Times columnist Bret Stephens also quoted her without acknowledging her government funding.

Alinejad works as an “anchor, writer, reporter for [Voice of America] Persian Service,

She received more than $305,000 in contracts for her work at Voice of America (VOA) Persia between May, 2015 and September 10, 2019, the date of her most recent contract.

On Friday, Stephens {NYT} .,� wrote Stephens. “‘Suleimani’s death could bring a sense of realism to the Islamic Republic’s thinking,’ says the Iranian-American journalist Masih Alinejad.�

On Friday, Alinejad told Fox News…

On Saturday, she told Fox News —…

And on Fox News on Sunday, she continued to echo Trump administration ….
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/01/06/u-s-media-outlets-fail-to-disclose-u-s-government-ties-of-iranian-journalist-echoing-trump-talking-points/

Iran is to be commended for coming out and admitting that it was a human error, rather than trying to cover it up and pawn it off on someone else, as we do regularly. I think the one huge error on their part was not grounding all flights once the missiles were launched and a US retaliation was expected.

Hey roonaldo!

Were Saturday Night Live (SNL) permitted to go too close to true ZUS political satire, I suggest they would hire you as script writer and bestow upon you “Big Time” bucks.

Meanwhile, roonaldo, “you be me ‘da man!” And thanks for offering a Nobel Prize award-worthy service in Jonathan Swift Literature Category.😅

Haha. I will repeat, “When Melania told him to calm down, he turned even oranger, grabbed her by the hair and declared “No more high heels for you, bitch!â€� And when Barron tried to comfort his mother, daddy-dearest dragged the poor kid to the Truman Porch and hurled him into some rose bushes” Haha, to repeat, “you be me ‘da man!”

P.S.: Too bad Trumpstein made good lookin’ Melania just another “hit & run” like did the late-great & way different, Lou Reed, described in his song with an obo accompanient, “Street Hassle.”

Statement issued by the Iranian Armed Forces that Ukrainian flight 752 was downed as a consequence of human error by air defence units:

“ flight number 752 of the Ukrainian airline company left Imam Khomeini airport and then approached a sensitive military centre after a turn, positioning itself at the altitude and form of a hostile flight and was hit because of a human error and unintentionally under such conditions “

https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981021000078

And the West declared war on Iran in 1953. Try again.

That was my first intuition: a bomb placed by Bolton’s MEK buddies.

The primary purpose of the salvoes was to send a clear message,

Hi Erebus. The Iranians further clarified their message through the press conference given by Ali Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC Aerospace force, as he stood with all the flags of the “Axis of Resistance” on full display behind him. (9:00 in the video).

Video Link

This conference holds a great symbolic value, as it de facto establishes and affirms the reality of an organised “Resistance Axis” alliance, striving towards a common goal, which Mr Hajizadeh very clear and unambiguously stated to be the eviction of the US from the ME.

Mr Alizadeh gave the following details about the strike on the Ain Al Asad base:
– a main goal was to hit the command centre inside the base, not the personnel barracks, and this goal was achieved.
– 15 minutes after the strike, the Iranians achieved an important success in electronic warfare as they jammed/cut US drones communication.

https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981020000251

The information from Syria is equally significant.
In prevision of the Iranian retaliations after the Soleimani assassination, the US military had moved reinforcement comprising 180 armoured vehicles to protect strategic O&G field east of the Euphrates. The “Al Omar” and “Kuniko” fields are among the most important in Syria and President Trump had expressed the intention to keep control of them.

However, as soon as the Iranian strikes started, the US military left the O&G fields and sought refuge in highly populated areas of Cheddadi and Rumeila. In other terms, in absence of reliable air defences, the US Army in Syria is relying on unwitting human shields and on Iran’s respecting the rules of engagement and avoiding any collateral damage.

Finally, regarding the crash of the Ukrainian B737, the Iranian head of Civil Aviation Abidzadeh stated that the Ukrainian pilot communicated with the air controllers and informed of a technical issue, before turning back towards Tehran airport, after which one of the engines caught fire.
The flight recorders are not terminally damaged (1:20); so the Iranians expect to retrieve the pilot’s call, as well as relevant flight parameters.

Video Link

Europe was born with Homer and died with Hitler.

You can dream of war all you want. You’ll just probably end up dying alone and childless in your bed. Sad, isn’t it?

Hey Sparkon!

As you likely know, the Jewish deceit procedures are complex, and well meaning & open-minded, Iris, was not the 1st person to fall for James Files’s entertaining & choreographed assassin admission.

For Christ’s sake, it took the work of a dead man, Michael Collins Piper, to alert Ron Unz to the fact that James Douglass was not the final word as to who murdered President JFK. The conventional wisdom was that the CIA and the Wat Machine whacked him. That stuck.😒

Haha, Jewish Oliver Stone came close to Israel’s central involvement in killing JFK when Permindex was mentioned in his popular film. 😳 So stop piling on Iris, tough guy!

P.S.: Any work which doesn’t harm people is honorable, and such includes school bus driving, Iskra Boy.

‘…The question now revolves around whether the US needs a thousand cuts to absorb the message that its dominance of the M.E. is over.’

The question is whether the thousand cuts being inflicted on us will disturb Israel.

My guess is they won’t. There’re a whole lot of American gentiles. Israel can fight on indefinitely.

“Ducks in a barrel”

Yes, and be sure to get your fish in a row before shooting at a barrel of monkeys.

And if you drive a school bus, be sure to drop your f-bombs in the basement so the kids don’t hear, and as an additional benefit, anyone with toys up in the attic can easily overlook those f-bombs down in the basement, and might even praise you as “the epitome of civility.” In turn, you can respond in kind to this loathsome butt-nuzzling with your own unqualified praise:

You are so valuable here, Iris. 🌟, Thanks again.

Do words have any lasting meaning around here? Apparently, the Chuckster — and now 🌟SolontoCroesus too — have both forgotten already about Iris’s previous, virtually non-stop promotion of big-time BS artist James Files and his unbelievable claims about taking part in JFK’s assassination, and how the bus driver himself had pleaded with Iris to give it up about James Files because, you know, “stick together,” I guess.

Even the cheeks of one’s buttocks can stick together, so I’m not convinced that such close adhesion is necessarily a good idea in all cases, but maybe the butt-nuzzling helps with all that.

After all, if it sticks together like a pair of buttocks, it may quack like a duck when passing wind and releasing another kind of unwelcome f-bomb, present company included, of course, where at least Chuck Orloski is a real American whose f-bombs apparently don’t stink to some noses.

By the way Nosey, busing does not “serve the community.” Rather, it has been an unmitigated disaster. Still, I don’t blame Chuck for taking whatever job he can find, but maybe he hasn’t put all his monkeys in one barrel.

You’re a treasure, Iris.

Thanks already used.

Thank you.

SOS HELP NEEDED FOR THE POSTS ON THIS BS (Québec main newspaper):

http://www.journaldequebec.com

The posts (Facebook comments) for the articles on the plane crash that occurred Wednesday in Iran and in which 83 Canadians died seem to be carefully selected so as to portray Iran as a despotic aggressive country of mullahs that possesses nuclear weapons, and that is ready to attack us. NOTHING (NO POST) against Israel are tolerated.

– The FB posts following the articles all seem to be selected so as to accuse Iran, to forge or reinforce the idea that IRAN is, and has always been an aggressor.

– The posts seem to be selected so as to ensure that the dominant opinion is that ”IRAN is responsible for the crash.” Without proof.

I suspect that the US-UK NATO and their mob want to use Canada, and the French-Rothschild connection of Québec, which has CFB Valcartier and CFB Bagotville, to attack IRAN, like they did for Libya.

So we want help for the posts on this ”newspaper” please.

Note: Bagotville and Col. Bouchard bombed and destroyed Libya, when AIPAC’s Irwin Cotler gave the OK for the no-fly zone. So wouldn’t NATO use the same useful idiots again?

Thanks, and peace!

et tu, utu!

Oh, man. I got tears in my eyes and my stomach hurts!

Thanks for this hearty and extended laughter. Really appreciated :o]

[Ukrainian plane crash in Iran – DR] This is a real puzzler. Lots of wild speculation going on now, apparently based on little in the way of facts. I need a lot more data before coming to even the most preliminary of conclusions.

The following is based upon Iranian HUMINT: the man saw the plane go down engulfed in flames, but intact. He didn’t see the actual crash as it was too far away and buildings hampered his view.

My personal take: engine blow out that set the fuel tank/s on fire and knocked out most of the communication/computer channels and cables to fly/steer the plane properly. Although it is said the plane turned to go back to the airport, the above mentioned HUMINT said the plane went down in a straight line.

Look at your life and where it got you [Chuck Orloski – DR].

You have met this legend in person?

Man, I’m bellowing yellow and green gasses, filled with rage, envy and jealousy.

Oh, and lots and lots of anger.

You lucky, bastard, you.

Look at your life and where it got you.

That is the part that I thought was below the belt and undeserved. Life has so many twists and turns and sometimes it only takes one or the other to determine who is a “success” and who is not. Our society’s entire understanding of what is success has become a cruel joke anyway. Was it Krishnamurti who said something like, “it is no measure of success to be well adjusted in a profoundly sick society”? Something like that.

I know quite a number of people in America who were considered “successful” only a few short years ago but they are truly struggling nowadays. Of course a great many others are still doing well, which only means that the tipping point has yet to be reached.

Allow me to summarize what happened by using a cartoon:

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FENuhYqAXUAAWXpY.jpg&key=bJ7sc_1pGS9K5k8T2MlTYQ&w=480&h=225

Trump gave the warning about 52 sites to be attacked.

Notice the number of the plane – 752. Iran is also the seventh nation on the list to be destroyed for the nine eleven false.

There are now 6 B-52 bombers in the Indian Ocean.

This plane is Operation Gladio, a sad use of civilians for ZUS games.

The number 52 was a clue, a warning to those who know these games.

This ZUS Ukraine is a real Zio playground.

It gave the Zios their first Operation Gladio plane crash in 2014 to demonize Russia. Now ZUS Ukraine does the same game to Iran.

ZUS Ukraine also is the centerpiece in the Trump Impeachment charade. Nuland must be smiling from ear to ear with her successful work for a Zio world.

Quick, somebody tell both Biden & Bernie so that they will have a forbidden “Talking Point,� come zionized canidate debates, 2020.

Given their age, I think you’ll need to raise your voice a little in order to be heard.

Anyone who’s not a pensioner running for office, this year?

In nature’s it’s the strong and healthy that lead a pack. We’re led by depends and walkers, by our noses and right into the abyss…

Stay in one piece, Chuck.

P.S. When will that mime shut up?

:o]

Haha. Judge utu claimed that my U.R. stuff merely amounts to “casting spells against reality.”

Aw shucks. If only I can get as good with “casting spells” as does AIPAC. ðŸ™�.

But Mr Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC’s Aerospace Force, has just given an interview describing the strikes, and informing that 9 US aircrafts were mobilised to transport the wounded towards Israel and Jordan for medical treatment, as well as a local Bagdad hospital.

Sorry, I forgot to address this.

I too have read the reports from Iranian sources speaking of significant casualties, but as long as they aren’t corroborated I chalk ’em up to the fog of war. My real point in all of that is that by giving fair warning Iran showed it wasn’t interested in racking up casualties. If there were some, well that’s what happens when missiles fly, but they are (quite literally) collateral damage. The primary intended damage is to American credibility and to any lingering misconceptions about Iran’s military capacity.

The primary purpose of the salvoes was to send a clear message, and casualty numbers serve only to bring down a red haze that obscures it. You can bet your last Euro(?) that the calculations being done in the region’s capitals and Washington consider those casualty reports only for their utility, if they consider them at all.

For diluting Iranian anger, the more casualties the better. For assuaging American egos, the fewer the better. So, one reports “lots”, and the other “none”. It doesn’t matter which one is more accurate. What really matters is the strategic balance, and I believe that the said calculations show that the fulcrum has shifted markedly in favour of Iran.

America’s range of options has narrowed, perhaps precipitously, while Iran’s widened. The Russian/Chinese security – development proposal will now get fresher, more focussed attention than it got before, while the US finds itself forced into an unwelcome spoiler’s role.

Not advocating the death of anyone, anywhere, but an anonymous car bomb, killing an already obsolete 3 or 4 star general, can [and will] be blamed on Iranian sponsored ‘terrorists,’ regardless where [on this entire globe] the car explodes.

Plane down in Iran? Russian missile did it!!! Well, you know the drill even better than I do :o]

Assange’ s mentally dissected into bits and pieces and happily washed down the memory/rabbit hole as an example how TPTB deal with [potential] whistle blowers.

“You blab? We stab!”

Gradually working my way through ‘Best Evidence’ [chapter 5 atm]. It’s so blatantly clear the shot that did in JFK came front the front and right, not to mention the whitewashing of [autopsy] reports, etc. Man, it makes my blood boil [a bit. not too much]. The sad thing is, those who were behind this assassination plot will never feel the wrath of true justice, just like those of MLK, RJK, Malcom X and 9/11 [to mention a few].

I’m not inclined to believe the zionists have given up on their plans for the M.E., but I’d seriously consider moving out and away from Occupied Palestine and stop being a sitting fuck duck, that’s for sure. The ‘Iron Dome is’ standing on clay feet and you and I both know what happens when the first ‘enemy’ salvo is fired.

Stay warm, Chuck.

Agree, I believe a bomb was placed on the plane…

The clip filmed while the plane was on its downward trajectory shows the plane as intact. Had a bomb exploded, the plane would disintegrate in the air like the Malaysian MH-17 over the Ukraine’s territory or PAN-AM over Lockerbie, and spread debris over a very large area [think miles].

CCTV on the ground [where the plane crashed] shows a ground disintegration of the plane.

This plane crashed with a speed of approximately 500 miles into the ground, a few hours later the black boxes are found. Pictures show parts of the unfortunate plane, engines, fuselage, etc.

Makes you wonder why none of those were ever recovered as ‘leftovers’ from the 4 planes that supposedly crashed on 9/11… Except, of course, of that one, pristine, paper [Muslim] passport…

My, my, NoseytheDuke, thank you, & btw, may I use your screen name as a reference to Chewy Co.’s Human Resource Manager? They are soon opening a plant nearby Scranton and I reckon that I can become the facility’s experienced Environmental Health & Safety Manager and make Little utu chew on his words.

Thanks again, C&D, your comment is a good example of doing what Phil Giraldi wisely advised, “stick together.”

Mr Chuck O. is a caring and considerate person, the epitome of civility. To be so, one must be very loved by his entourage, family and friends, in their real life.

Utu, on the other hand,….

Nothing judgmental, just descriptive. I like Mr. Orloski and what he stands for, his sentiments and inclinations but it’s not enough to take his opinions seriously while all they express is his wishful thinking and amount to casting spells against reality. Reality can’t be molded by our wishes when all what he have are our wishes. Only those who have media, technology and military can mold and sculpt the reality.

Yo utu!

Well, mighty nice of you to brand me a “dreamer” but I don’t fail in George Soros’s crowd.

At any rate, as child, ðŸ‘�, I watched The Wizard of Oz, no-no, is not the nut appearing here @ U.R., and I learned the Tin Man, Oz’s school bus driver,🤗, needed a more than just a “good heart,” and he made it clear that a brain & conscience are necessary to become, uh…, unwishful.

Apparently, utu, you are “ideally” gifted with all three (3) necessary human components. 🤗Congratulations! But fyi, am Big in Scranton & during January 1981, I was Big in Cairo. Haha, susceptible as Trumpstein’s Deplorables are you, et tu, utu!

Russia is certainly doing so: President Putin (with Shoigu) spending the Orthodox Christmas touring the streets of Damas in company of President Assad is as strong a symbol as it gets.

Heartily agreed. Frankly, I was taken somewhat aback by it when I read of his visit and saw the photos. Absolutely soaked in symbolism. The message was for both the Russian public and M.E. players… Russia ain’t going anywhere should real war break out.

Finally, regarding the downing of the Ukrainian plane in Tehran, the news was announced as soon it happened and no cover up was attempted.

This is a real puzzler. Lots of wild speculation going on now, apparently based on little in the way of facts. I need a lot more data before coming to even the most preliminary of conclusions.
The one thing I do know is that the Iranians must not let go of the black boxes, and insist on being an integral part of any investigation. I’d be calling the Chinese and/or Russians in, restricting the Ukrainians and Americans to observers only.

That’s a very low blow, utu. Chuck has gained an education and raised a family. Despite his advanced years he is still both earning a living and serving the community by driving children safely to school. He makes no secret of his limited circumstances but seems to me to be quite sincere and he hasn’t lost his sense of humour. You are certainly free to judge his comments but that was low indeed. It’s his life and where he is in it is his own business and neither you nor I are fit to judge him on that basis.

Iris informed me how: “President Putin (with Shoigu) spending the Orthodox Christmas touring the streets of Damas in company of President Assad is as strong a symbol as it gets.”

Thanks very much, Iris!

In contrast, Evangelist UnChristian Zionists, President Trump & V.P. Pence, could only walk the streets of Damascus only after tremendous ZUS missile strikes accomplished another round of “Shock & Awe” liberation. 🇮🇱.

Like John McCain’s complete ZUS aerial defense-coverage while he swaggered about the streets of Baghdad & boasting how pacified was the city,👹 Mike Pompeo would have to disguise himself as Quassim Soleimani, resurrected with i.d., to even reach a Syria border.

You are so valuable here, Iris. 🌟, Thanks again.

In actual news on Earth it has been all but confirmed that the Iranians have missiled the Ukranian plane full of Iranians fleeing that went down out of Teheran with 176 on board.

Ya’ — look what Trump started — shame shame – he works for the Jewman. He is Israel first!

Think Peace — Do No Harm

You are a dreamer and an idealist who is very susceptible to wishful thinking. Look at your life and where it got you. Having a good heart is not enough.

Not sure I understand you, but here goes anyways…

What about this possibility: There is a faction in Iran that was very happy to have Soleimani taken out.

It’s much more than a possibility. That there exists a pro-Western 5th column within Iran’s ruling elite is well known. Most countries have one and indeed Rouhani himself is seen as pro-West.

This faction wants to cement power and keep it so the last thing they want is to have some kind of war with the US.

At this time, I’d say such a faction would be looking for power to “cement”, so it’s certainly quite possible that they had a hand in Soleimani’s murder in order to both ingratiate themselves with the US and weaken their opponents. Given Soleimani’s super high profile role in building the “Axis of Resistance” that’s undermining the US’ dominance of the M.E., I’d expect they’d have the same hate-on for him as Russia’s 5th columnists have for Putin.

From what we’ve been told, Khamenei himself gave the retaliation orders. Rouhani, so far as we know had nothing to do with it. For what you’re suggesting to be true, Khamenei would have to be a member of the pro-West faction. This makes no sense, of course.

Rather, the retaliation had to serve several purposes simultaneously…
1. Send an unequivocal message of military discipline & skills, and the capacity to inflict damage at will to its adversaries and allies.
2. Let some steam off of the Iranian public’s emotional state.
3. Accomplish 1. & 2. without giving the other side(s) a prima facie excuse for actual war.

Iran’s retaliatory strike threaded that needle just about perfectly. No bones required, or thrown.

To Erebus, utu presumably reflected, asked:
“What about this possibility: There is a faction in Iran that was very happy to have Soleimani taken out. This faction wants to cement power…” blah, blah.

Hey utu.

Surely you mean the Iranian “faction” which the CIA/Mossad- faction nourished 💰 and became happy when the Adelson/Netanyahu faction became ecstatic while Trumpstein rose to power.

Haha. Now we have a kick-ass & Macho Man, Apprentice President Bonespur in the Blue & White House, and he’s calling the shots at Iran, liberated Iraq, and Syria. 👹 Below & fyi, is an example of what befuddled & dumb muppet goyim America really got, January 2016.

Video Link
Thanks for trying to make sense, utu.

The question is what motivates you to throw the bone meant for the consumption by Iranian masses to the UR commentariat?

Intellectual integrity.

The upshot of all that is that the intent behind Soleimani’s gangland slaying was to send the US’ message to Mahdi specifically, but also to Iran, the Saudis, and anyone else contemplating M.E. rapprochement that murder awaited them if they continued to work towards peace in the region

Thanks for yet another outstanding comment, Erebus.
The description you made of the events leading to the assassination of Qasem Soleimani is certainly correct. In an interview given today, Iraqi parliamentary Naim Al Aboudi, from Al Fath Coalition (the political wing of the Popular Mobilisation Forces) described how, despite US threats, the caretaker Iraqi PM actually signed oil exploitation agreements with China.
Al Aboudi added that the agreements made in name of the current Iraqi government will have to be respected by the next administration.

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So factors behind the Soleimani assassination involve much more than just Iran’s regional status: China’s rising economic prominence in the ME was also a key driver.

Arab analysts are highlighting that members of the “Axis of Resistance” have publicly expressed their common political manifesto, by the voice of Hassan Nasrallah in his address of Sept 2019, that they have reached a shared, decisive historic turning point to kick the US out of the ME, and that China and Russia should acknowledge and join this effort.
Russia is certainly doing so: President Putin (with Shoigu) spending the Orthodox Christmas touring the streets of Damas in company of President Assad is as strong a symbol as it gets.

Video Link

My guess about the delay is that the US is simply stunned.

There is a lot the US did not say about what really happened. The narrative that Mr Soleimani was murdered by a Reaper drone, allegedly flown from Qatar as per Zionist disinformation outlet “The Daily Mail”, is challenged by both Iranians and Iraqis.
At a minimum, a drone from the local Ain Al Asad base was used, and very possibly, the strike was delivered from a US helicopter. All making even more a mockery of Iraq’s sovereignty, and credibility as Soleimani’s inviting party.

Regarding possible Western casualties, credible analysts (Scott Ritter in RT) have highlighted that Iran had optimised the reach of her legitimate response to an act of war , by deliberately warning in advance to avoid casualties.
But Mr Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC’s Aerospace Force, has just given an interview describing the strikes, and informing that 9 US aircrafts were mobilised to transport the wounded towards Israel and Jordan for medical treatment, as well as a local Bagdad hospital.

https://french.almanar.com.lb/1611810

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Finally, regarding the downing of the Ukrainian plane in Tehran, the news was announced as soon it happened and no cover up was attempted. (I was about to mention it in a comment at the time, but nobody was reading, so I did not bother 🙂 ). President Trump’s assumption that the B737 was downed by a surface-to-air missile is more likely wrong. Best regards.

What about this possibility: There is a faction in Iran that was very happy to have Soleimani taken out. This faction wants to cement power and keep it so the last thing they want is to have some kind of war with the US. Thus they would do anything to not give further pretexts to the US while at the same time they had to throw a bone to their masses to pacify them by showing that they were tough and very capable. Your narrative about their toughness and capabilities is a part of this bone. The question is what motivates you to throw the bone meant for the consumption by Iranian masses to the UR commentariat?

Yo Momus!

Fyi, I’d rather be ruled by the first ten Ayatollah names in the telephone book instead of one B.C. member of your tribe.

Haha, Maybe the zionized Roman Catholic sailor, Bill Buckley, gets it now? Fuck you.

You are a zionist fool, and who ever shot the video is one of the kabal that knew the plane was going to be blown up.

Haha. Earlier today, Rush Lumbaugh helped spin Trumpstein’s lie on the reason why he whacked Quassim Soleimani.

Trumpstein modified the foolishly accepted narrative,🇮🇱and declared that the key reason he murdered the Quds Force General was because he was made aware that Mr. Soleimani planned a major strike on ZUS’s Baghdad-based Embassy. (💤Zigh).

Trumpstein called him a “mobster.” Haha. Anyone here recall old saying that “it takes one to know one.” Haha. Quick, somebody tell both Biden & Bernie so that they will have a forbidden “Talking Point,” come zionized canidate debates, 2020.

Wrong again. The plane was hit by a missile fired by the Iranians.

In actual news on Earth it has been all but confirmed that the Iranians have missiled the Ukranian plane full of Iranians fleeing that went down out of Teheran with 176 on board.

Certainly a good few days for the clueless Ayatollahs over there.

America can accuse anybody of any crime. Who now gives a F* .

Good intentions
but
It is only cat circling the plate with hot milk.
The question is when Iraqi government will officially ask US to leave?
Only that will be a game changer!

Your wacky synopsis of the Viet Nam conflict outcome make no sense whatsoever: You are mixing hypothetical concepts with totally unrelated scenarios, and you obviously have no knowledge of VN post war history and the role the French played therein.

VN was not an agricultural nation rather it was a conglomerate of agriculture, commerce and just plain struggle for survival.

You are clueless, such as the left in general.

AJM

Hi Erebus!

Respectfully, I have a problem with your following words: “My guess about the delay is that the US is simply stunned.”

No, no, The ZUS (Likud Party wing) was disappointingly stunned by the Iranian revenge only because it was Bush League, and it failed to deliver the drama that the Trumpstein administration needed to go nuclear apeshit upon Iran.

Now, scab & zionized Democrats are pretending to desire limitations on the Executive Branch’s passion for war, minus the Knesset Congress permission. 🙃

Extremely dangerous times upon the planet now. The Adelson/Kushner/Netanyahu tribe trio does not cotton to allow nobodies an opportunity to occupy the war power throne that Jews have invested in D.C.’s Blue & White House.

So as Purim approaches, I am for one anticipating a scary & persuasive strike, compliments of our best ally 🇮🇱/👹, a unique possible target: the present theatrical tribe-approved GWOT war obstructionist, Knesset Congress West. Hm. Maybe a hair-raising False Flag “hit” upon the flip-flopping PNAC whistleblower, “7 countries down, 5 years,” heroic 😯General David Petraeus?

At any rate, this round, er, look out for something worse than failed weaponized-anthrax spore letter mailings which heralded in the Patriot Act upon “stunned” and impeached dumb goyim masses.

Thanks, my conditional respect, and no doubt, you shall have a goodwill problem with me, Erebus.�!

P.S.: Am not “stunned” that prisoner, Julian Assange’s case, is now M.I.A. in the bipartisan Jewish Corporate Media’s shady reporting.

The cost of each missile is $2.75 million.

In the 1st place, the cost of defence is tallied against the value of what it’s defending, not the cost of the attacking ordinance. If it takes 3 Patriots to save an F-22 or F-35, it’s cheap.

More to the point, from what we know from real life, Rand is hopelessly optimistic. The Patriot can, maybe, defend itself but it can’t defend anything else. Two Patriot batteries in the vicinity didn’t even raise an alarm when Abqaiq was attacked. At that success rate, they could be $2.75 each and still be a bad deal.

… NATO is going “full mafiaâ€� lies and announced its participation in war against international terrorism…

I can just hear Erdogan now… “The Caliphate is back on the menu boys!”

Yes, damage was clearly greater than reported by the US. Possible reasons Patriot Missles were not used.

Observers are asking about where was the Patriot defense missile? The problem is economic. The cost of each missile is $2.75 million. A Rand study estimated that a Patriot will need three rounds to take down basic short-range ballistic missiles like the Fateh-110. That’s thirty times more than the cost of Fateh. Iran would hope the Patriot is wasted on Fatehs and Quims, and would gladly run that kind of cost benefit math all over the region.

https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/01/missiles-attack-on-al-assad-shows-iran-is-no-paper-tiger/

Iran declared war on the USA in 1979.
History is real. It began more than a week ago.

Agree, I believe a bomb was placed on the plane, as the pilots had no time to issue an emergency call and the plane blew up in the air as was shown on a video released and Iran did NOT do it, so who benefits, the usual suspects and agent provocateurs.

Understood, there will be no peace in the middle east as long as the Zionists remain in control of their enforcer of terrorism for Israels greater Israel project, the ZUS.

Hey Erebus!

Evidently, zionized NATO is going “full mafia” lies and announced its participation in war against international terrorism 😒which facilitates attacks upon & occupation of Middle East nations.

Please refet to The Hill, linked below. And, thank you for your U.R. service.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/477399-nato-agrees-to-up-contribution-in-fight-against-international-terrorism-after

Trump talked of 52 ways of getting Iran.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-threatens-52-iranian-sites-targeted-if-iran-retaliates-2020-1

Trump tweeted that the US has pinpointed 52 Iranian sites “representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago.” Iran seized 66 Americans during the hostage crisis in 1979, ultimately holding 52 of them for more than a year.

Trump warned that the targets were “at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture.”

He continued: “Those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!”

Here are some 52 number tie-ins already in place for Iran from Trump’s ZUS empire.

Six B- 52 strategic bombers set to Indian Ocean. Why the number six?

https://www.rt.com/usa/477614-b52-bomber-diego-garcia-iran/

US deploys 6 B-52 strategic bombers to Indian Ocean base amid drastic spike in tensions with Iran – report

The six bombers will follow nearly 4,000 US troops deployed to the region since last week, sent as hostilities with Iran reached new heights. Following a heated demonstration at the American Embassy in Baghdad which Washington portrayed as an “Iranian attack,� the US launched a kill strike on the commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force, Qassem Soleimani, as he arrived to Baghdad for a meeting, also taking out several allied Iraqi militia leaders along with him

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Iran refuses to sent the black boxes from the 752 plane crash to Ukraine. This crash is so similar to the one over Ukraine in 2014. It looks like ZUS Ukraine is playing the same game again with Iran this time, instead of Russia. Iran should not hand over the black boxes to any ZUS controlled land. Notice the number 752 of the plane. Iran is the 7th nation on the list to be destroyed for the nine eleven false flag. 52 is after that number. Is this one of the 52 ways to get at Iran from the ZUS empire? That is demonize Iran on bogus charges for the plane crash like the one in Ukraine in 2014 for Russia. Iran is not falling for the bait.

https://112.international/society/ps-752-plane-crash-iran-refuses-to-hand-over-black-boxes-to-ukraine-47294.html

Iran, where the Boeing-737 crash took place, refuses to provide black boxes to Ukraine. This was stated by the head of the civil aviation organization Ali Abedzadeh, Mehr reports.

It has not yet been decided where Iran would send the box to analyze the data.

https://112.international/society/ps-752-plane-crash-iran-refuses-to-hand-over-black-boxes-to-ukraine-47294.html

Iran can overthrow its regime, it desperately wants to.

America can overthrow it’s regime, it desperately wants to.

I saw Joe Lieberman on TV last night. Not a pleasant experience.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iraq-war-hawks-sell-iran-war_n_5e165473c5b61f701948c11c
I don’t think Trump is in with them yet. But I have no doubts about Kushner and Rudy.

{The countries targeted by PNAC are Iraq, Syria, Iran and Libya, in addition to Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan.}

For Libya: ”great news” today for the 3% of what’s left of Libya after the NATO-Clinton bombs: “Sirte is Liberated, and Turkey and its Mercenaries will be Defeated by the Libyan Army”, according to Dr Aref Ali Nayed, Chairman of the Libya Institute for Advanced Studies (LIAS).

“Regarding the possibility of Turkey sending its forces to Libya, he commented: “Turkish army forces aren’t waiting to come to Libya. They have been coming to Libya for the last six months. They have been mainly and still are mainly special forces specialized in special ops, snipers, sabotage and various other specialized operations plus trainers for special ops, communications and jamming experts, electronic warfare experts, operators of their drones or unmanned aerial vehicles.â€�

From: http://www.libyanwarthetruth.com/nayed-sirte-liberated-turkey-and-its-mercenaries-will-be-defeated-libyan-army

‘It’s a strange one, but (4) does seem a fairly safe bet.’

I’m afraid someone offered a better explanation. I don’t like it — but I suspect it’s the truth.

Being jumpy and marginally competent, Iranian air defense shot the airliner down themselves.

I’ll be happy to hear that debunked, but it’s plausible.

‘Trump-Pompeo foreign policy is not only incoherent, it is insane’

It’s neither incoherent nor insane.

It’s attempting to appease the Israel lobby whilst avoiding actually fighting a war with Iraq until after the second Tuesday in November.

It’s perfectly coherent and eminently sane. A tad craven, but…

LOL
Not according to Obama.

– Barack Obama defends ‘just war’ using drones: : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-22638533

– Obama’s drone attacks 10 times more than Bush’s:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
exc.:
“The Obama administration has insisted that drone strikes are so “exceptionally surgical and preciseâ€� that they pluck off terror suspects while not putting “innocent men, women and children in dangerâ€�. This claim has been contested by numerous human rights groups, however, and the Bureau’s figures on civilian casualties also demonstrate that this is often not the case.”

The JCPOA was good for the United States, supportive of non-proliferation efforts, but Trump, guided by neoconservative advisers, most of whom were Jewish and having close ties to Israel, chose to ignore actual American interests.

And why is peace in West Asia an American interest? Peace is needed for the Christian Empire. The more war, the better! The only difference I would make is to start with cleansing Hawaii and Mexico from the Mongolians. But ravaging Iran, Arabia and Aryavarta would not be put off indefinitely into the future. Only through destruction can the destiny of Europe be realized.

Truly great comment, steinbergfeld etcetera, and thank you. Fyi, commenter (No Wall) Wally ain’t going to like your exposure of Trumpstein’s “many accomplishments.” And I trust you shall not get a “Gong” as did former-U.R. commenter, Jacques Sheete.ðŸ‘�!!!

Thanks for offering such an articulate education, steinbergfeld…etcetera. An unnamed🌟 hovering above Scranton for you! Uh, and @ no zionized astrologer fee.

It will then be there with the rest of the vultures to pick her carcass clean.

I would suggest that the now well muscled Russia ought to be a lot more up front in its dealings with the US, but if it prefers a more softly softly approach, well so be it.

At some point fairly soon though, the US will inevitably succumb to the immense stupidity of its own leadership. If Russia is one of the vultures at the celebratory feast, then OK, as long as there are some well deserved pickings for Iran.

I don’t believe that you have anything to worry about.
The problem, however, is that when you shred international norms you intitiate a race to the bottom.
Gaddafi was murdered by a crowd. He was settting up a currency union, backed by 40-80 billion in gold, to sell Black Africa Libyan oil. This would have competed with the French Colonial Franc AND it defied the U.S. petrodollar monopoly (all oil is paid in us funds). Suddenly, Gaddafi was ‘murdering his own people’. HRC, Secretary of State and Moloch worshipper, claimed: ‘we came, we saw, he died’ cackling laughter ensued on her part.

Sadaam Hussein, fought a war against Iran in the 80’s and found Bush Sr. very stingy. He tried to sell oil to Europe in Euros. He was invaded, imprisoned, tried and executed by a kangaroo court.

Is the pattern getting clear?
Acting with impunity, with NO regard for any rules leads to chaos.
I remember the U.S.-Iran hostage crisis in 1979 and I know the back story and Persian culture. Very sophisticated thinkers from a very old and complex civilization. They get it. Many americans don’t seem to understand how dishonorable this was.A hired Israeli assassin. Imagine that, the President of the United States is now viewed as no better than a backstabbing POS by the whole Muslim world, all the way from Morocco to Indonesia.
This is called the destruction of legitimacy. The U.S. has now lost any and all legitimacy they had left. They are now going to be viewed as, in essence, a rogue nation, like Israel, incapable of not just honoring an agreement but of having any trace of honor left in their diplomacy or culture.
No American servicemen are safe anymore. U.S. citizens are going to leave certain countries. The knock on effects of this: historically, it will be viewed as a significant precipitant in the U.S. being forced out of the Middle East. The guy was a hero and held in very high regard. American culture has no equivalent. Neither does Europe, Australia, Canada, Mexico and many others. That speaks volumes. This is the type of analysis you will not get out of a ‘court historian’ in the West but it is a fairly objective analysis if you step out of the msm/beltway echo chamber in the U.S.
This act paved the way for Russia and China to move into the Middle East as peaceful actors. The U.S. may still have some ability to project force, despite the massive debtload, but it has lost any moral claim to have the right to use force for the greater good. This is now abundantly clear to even the blind and deaf.
Not singly you out dude, just got inspired to write.
I wish the best for you and your family. I don’t envy your situation. People are actually really good at separating the actions of people from their governments. E. Michael Jones was in Tehran surrounded by 1 Million Iranians a few years ago. No one bothered him. I hope that something good can come from this: a multi-polar world with much less conflict would be nice; monopolies of power do not produce the greater good.

No Wall has been built in America BUT the U.S. Embassy is in Jerusalem.
No Immigration Solution. Record numbers of f-1’s and b1’s.
National Debt Level WORSE than in summer 2008 Right Before Financial Meltdown.
No End to the ‘Endless’ Wars (Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq)
Israel got the Golan Heights. Jews have gotten an E.O. recognizing them as a Nation. All the big Jew Wall St. Firms have had easy money and tax credits from Trump.

What did America get? How can anyone believe anything other than: ‘Israel first, last and always’ from Donald J. Trump? He endlessly blathers about the evils of antisemitism while 80% of Jews continue to vote Democrat.
I can do nothing except conclude the man’s soul has been completely and utterly drained from him through his never ending fellating of Israel and the incessant pounding BoBo Satanyahoo gives him.
At this point, it is just an embarrassment to watch Trump. I saw his press conference this afternoon and I couldn’t believe the difference between that monotone, babbling idiot I saw today and the guy who used to fill Stadiums.
The America government has become the Great Satan.
Israel is it’s helper.
Trump is the Great Betrayer.

It is not normal that US sources have not communicated any detail of the consequences of the strikes, so many hours after they took place.

Unless of course they are reporting the “facts” involving a false-flag attack in which case full names, pictures, DOBs, pictures of mourning relatives, interview clips with neighbours offering statements of “how wonderful they were” along with copies of Qurans and pristine passports are readily on display within hours, if not minutes.

Mr Rouhani seems to pretend that Iran was responsible for the Pan AM 103 tragedy.

So WHY did Mr Schumer, Mr Menendez, and Mr Kissinger accused Megrahi and Gaddafi, what did the SAS do in Libya just before US-NATO started to BOMB and destroy Libya?

THEY ACCUSED LIBYA for Pan Am 103. Mr Trump, when in Scotland, said the US was in Libya for the oil only.

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I don’t think you understand the “oilâ€� thing. Iraq was invaded in 2003, because…blah, blah, blah…

I don’t think you understand the “we’re Israel’s bitchâ€� thing. Iraq was invaded in 2003, because it was on Israel’s hit list… plain and simple!

‘Murk, once you were great.
Loved you like a child playing.
You sold us like freight.

“Wish you were here,” America, before you sold your soul…

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Hail says: “So we, the US, Trump, do look rather like a gang of mafia types; making war by deception, promising peace and setting up traps in which we massacre the sucker when he shows up, arranging extra-judicial killings, general thuggery.�

And such behavior was for some reason not expected?

If I’m not somehow misinterpreting you, you [like most here] appear to not understand the true, core nature of exactly what/who you/we are all dealing with here.

A quick reminder [ and this applies to all governments,past, present, or future, including the Iranian and Iraqi governments]:

“Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.â€�   onebornfree

“Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.”      Albert J. Nock

So you see, the US governments actions to date in this affair are[and should therefor be regarded as ] completely “par for the course� . 😒

Regards,onebornfree

It’s all in the movies folks. It’s one big drama designed to keep your tension level through the roof. Take the day off from this shit and enjoy the day you have been blessed with..
RIP Merle

Don’t be a fool. In 2003 Iraq was attacked because it was decided it had to be destroyed before Syria and Iran could be destroyed. The decision was made long before 9/11 (Yinon Plan and PNAC) and was made possible by 9/11. Oil, gold and Euros have nothing to do with it. The fairy tales you are repeating are for people who do not believe in the fairy tales of WMD and bring the democracy to the ME but they are still fairy tales. The truth is much uglier and more evil.

See the three tiers of explanations.

https://www.unz.com/mhudson/america-escalates-its-democratic-oil-war-in-the-near-east/#comment-3647799

I rarely speak like this, but I must say, you sir(or madam)are an IDIOT.

The political alignment between Iran and Iraq, whose authorities were informed prior to the strikes, is remarkable too.

Yes and no. While much is made of the Shi’a – Sunni division in Iraq, Saddam had actually exchanged war dead, prisoners and had restored relations with Iran prior to the 2003 invasion. There were reports that the few undamaged F-35s remaining in the Iraqi Air Force were sent to Iran. Saddam understood he was set up on Kuwait, and was being set up again on WMD. Iran understood it was never going to be safe until a new Shah, or other pliable cutout was back in charge. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that prior to the 2003 invasion that Saddam saw Iran, not as a friendly ally, but a neutral ally, given they were also on the Zionist hit list. My guess/speculation is that there was already co-operation between the two when the invasion started.

Respectfully, it never was the oil, it was for Israels greater Israel agenda and they will fight to the last American to get control of the mideast.

Again an incoherent reply by Antres.
The President (Trump) is a puppet. He might tweet like a birdy, but basically hes a caged bird. If all the information he’s getting is false, there’s no way he knows the way forward.

It only looks incoherent to you because we disagree about the role of Trump. You think that he is controlled, I came to a different conclusion. This is him.

But that’s a minor point, I agree with your other observations.

We don’t need the oil.

I don’t think you understand the “oil” thing.
Iraq was invaded in 2003, because: 1) it was pumping too much oil causing a price drop; and 2) it began accepting Euros as well as USD for oil. Both of these affect the value of the petrodollar.
Similarly, shutting down Iran’s oil export was necessary because 1) there is actually an oil glut; and 2) it was accepting any currency for oil, including gold. Again, both affect the USD.
Until about 2011, the price of a barrel of oil was driven 80% by demand and 20% by other factors, but mainly speculation (futures). Today, the price a barrel of oil is between 70-80% futures and 20-30% demand. Sure the US is self sufficient through fracking, but only if the price of oil is about what it is today, or higher. That is why the oil in other places like Syria, Iran, and Venezuela has to stay in the ground. It’s not about “needing” it, it’s about keeping oil prices artificially high, while crippling competitors’ less diversified economies.