I agree with almost everything, but I will nitpick this:

Also, if Jews really want a safe homeland, I’m sure the Anglo Cucks are more than willing to sell them prime real estate to establish as the Jewish Homeland in Canada, Australia, or the US.

The fact of the matter, is that in the past, MANY TIMES, Germany and Russia tried to give their Jewish populations large “pales of settlement,” or basically regions to create ethnic homelands, but the Jews simply decline the offer (unless forced).

There are deep reasons for this. First, for the Jews who genuinely want a Jewish nation and society, they also believe in their religion, and so they believe that Palestine is the God-given land. Their directive from God is to make their nation there, and they won’t establish their nation elsewhere. Some ultra-Orthodox Jews will not even do that if they don’t first have their Moshiach.

The second issue is the not-so-religious Jews. These Jews have maximum levels of avarice for money and power, and they have always, for > 2000 years, migrated to the great cities that are the centers of wealth and power. They will never settle down in the middle of nowhere in Canada, Australia, or even the USA. They will demand to be able to live in NYC and London, and they are increasingly angry that they cannot penetrate the East Asian countries, since those countries are accumulating wealth and they are starting to look like the strong horse.

It is literally impossible to do what you have suggested. Trust me, it is a wonderful idea. The Germans and Russians loved the idea. But time and time again, it fails. We are doomed to have to deal with the curse of the most narcissistic, supremist, and racist people on the planet. It is part of the “deal” of caucasian human life.

We should focus on devising methods within our present social paradigm to thrive better. For example, use the power of consumer choice to patronize non-Jewish businesses, services, etc. Locate companies outside of NYC. Etc.

‘I think being read the Riot Act over Assange also had much to do with changing their orientation. No martyrs for free speech, they. Or they fired anyone who might be.’

Yeah. Without bothering to look it up, I think Middle East Eye has some former Guardian staff.

I think being read the Riot Act over Assange also had much to do with changing their orientation. No martyrs for free speech, they. Or they fired anyone who might be.

Please don’t, I’m eating breakfast.

Can we have a really obscene video involving Jonathan Freedland and a three-hundred pound black anal rapist?

‘In the 1980s, when I first read it, it was widely regarded as semi-subversive, especially by Conservatives, and it criticised Israel although other newspapers even then were toeing the Zionist line on, say, Lebanon, and defending the Israeli invasion. But it is now an establishment newspaper that caters to the “liberalâ€� middle class.’

Indeed. As I say, if memory serves, it was still saying mean things about Israel right into the 2000’s.

But then at some point it got its mind right. The obscene thing about this is that my impression is that The Guardian is still the bible for a lot of the geriatric set on the British Left. ‘If The Guardian says it, it must be so.’ Specifically, see my half-aunt’s husband. He actually called it ‘middle of the road,’ and ‘reliable.’ Without thinking, I said I read it for laughs. He didn’t appreciate that.

Anyway, combine with a little perfectly understandable hostility towards Muslim immigrants, and presto. The new Guardian means all those old Lefties are nicely neutered. Get them upset about fox hunting or Donald Trump or George Floyd or something instead.

Israel is safe, that’s the main thing.

In the 1980s, when I first read it, it was widely regarded as semi-subversive, especially by Conservatives, and it criticised Israel although other newspapers even then were toeing the Zionist line on, say, Lebanon, and defending the Israeli invasion. But it is now an establishment newspaper that caters to the “liberal” middle class.

Is there something unexpected about this?

The Jews got control of The Guardian a long time ago. It’s been ‘progressive except for Palestine’ for a good decade now.

Attacking absurd straw men is a waste of time and energy. Descendants of civilians who were herded into British-run concentration camps do not require the services of apologists.

Unlike Protestants in Northern Ireland and South Africans, “Sacrosanct” Netanyahu and his peers have no interest in making concessions. This issue is the principal obstacle to a two-state solution and peace in the Middle East. Before October 7, the Jewish nation was actively pushing Palestinian emigration from the Gaza Strip, according to a senior Israeli official. The agenda today is evidently accelerated ethnic cleansing under the guise of “destroying” Hamas. Washington is providing tacit support. Furthermore, Gaza has valuable offshore natural gas reserves. Someone on the left followed the money trail.

Rabbi Freedland is being economical with the truth. Israelis nurtured Hamas to weaken Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Liberation Organization. Actions have consequences. George Galloway discussed passionately the history of Hamas and its ideological links to the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, a group that was once financed by the Central Intelligence Agency and MI6.

But it’s anyone’s guess how much of that will ever slake their thirst.

More.

“white South Africans�, who were also a settler-colonising people.

Yes and no. There is no question the Boers were settlers, but there was an agreement with the Khoi and San, who are not Negroid and are the original inhabitants of South African, over which land was of no use to the Khoi and San. The Zulus/Bantus were attacking from the north at about the same time as the Boers. There is no question they were colonizing and settling via conquest.
If there is a comparison, it would be the Zionists to the Bantus and Zulus.

Uhhhh…… not sure I’d be using the end of apartheid in South Africa as an example you want to run with.

It….. hasn’t gone well

Also, if Jews really want a safe homeland, I’m sure the Anglo Cucks are more than willing to sell them prime real estate to establish as the Jewish Homeland in Canada, Australia, or the US.

They already own much of the prime real estate in the US, and are catching up in Australia and Canada too. More to the point, they pretty much own the mass media, government, and major institutions as well. That’s the ownership which gives them endless cover for their genocide of the Palestinians.

There’s really nothing they want that they don’t already have, except perhaps for more blood. But it’s anyone’s guess how much of that will ever slake their thirst.

The tragic thing is, if the Israelis would simply behave like a normal country, stop occupying Palestinian and Syrian land, and stop murdering people as their national pastime, I wouldn’t have too many problems with it. Lots of Israelis are solid right wing folks, they seem friendly to reasonable economic and trade policies, and they’re technologically advanced. I’m not so much a fan of the apartheid and Jim Crow on steroids legal system, either.

But no, the Jews aren’t happy with being instrumental in creating a truly secular, Democratic nation for all its citizens in the Middle East; they’re stubbornly, selfishly, and delusionally clinging to their fantasy of a “Jewish State.” Lol.

As someone once said to a braying Zionazi-‘If you don’t wish to be compared to the Nazis, then stop acting like them’.

End of Apartheid was horrible for South Africa.
Whites should have called for permanent separation from blacks. There have been all sorts of black violence and attacks on whites, mostly covered up by the world media run by Jews.
If the end of apartheid in Israel/Palestine led to the kind of racial violence in South Africa since the end of Apartheid, Jews would be howling ‘holocaust’ on a daily basis.

And in the long run, whites don’t have a future in South Africa. If the fate of Jews in New Israel/Palestine is going to be like that of whites in South Africa, why would any Jew want that?

The only solution is the two-state solution, which should also have been on the table in South Africa.

Erasing borders between Jews and Palestinians will lead to even more violence. Whereas the South African issue was purely racial, in the Middle East it’s ethnic and religious.
Also, whereas whites always allowed South Africa to be a black majority country, albeit one ruled by the white minority, Israel was created by massive Nakba that ensured the Jewish majority.
Black gripe in South Africa was about discrimination. But in the case of Israel/Palestine, the issue isn’t only about ethnic discrimination but of wholesale expulsions of people. Therefore, Palestinian hatred for the Zionists is far graver than black hatred for whites.
And even though there was plenty of racial violence in South African history, it was mainly one of police repression than a state of war. In contrast, Israel-Palestine conflict is essentially a kind of war that brings out even more hatreds.

The only solution is the two-state solution, but it’s now almost impossible as the Jews took over too much of West Bank and are unwilling to give it back.

As for Freedland, he’s full of crap. He says de-colonization in that part of the world isn’t only about Jews giving up West Bank but all of Israel/Palestine. But the Jews aren’t even willing to give up West Bank. Before we can discuss the other issue — should Jews have Israel –, how about solving the first issue: the Jewish colonization of West Bank? Once that’s solved, we can deal with the other issue. But of course, Freedland is using the Big Worry as rationale for Israel’s colonization of West Bank. “We must colonize ALL of Palestine because our enemies might de-colonize all of Israel.” How can anyone even argue with BS?

Also, if Jews really want a safe homeland, I’m sure the Anglo Cucks are more than willing to sell them prime real estate to establish as the Jewish Homeland in Canada, Australia, or the US. After all, Anglo politicians are more loyal to World Jewry than to their own kind. There is nothing the Jews demand that Anglos will not deliver on.

“What’s more, such a framing brands all Israelis – not just West Bank settlers – as guilty of the sin of colonialism. “

An Israeli woman was complaining about Israel being depicted as a Nazi state: it ignored the fact that most Israelis were no worse than peoples elsewhere.

(I appreciated the way she put that. Most of us making a similar point would have said “as good as” instead of “no worse than”. It suggests a realistic view of human nature!)

What she missed, though, is that the majority of Germans living in the Third Reich would have been just as decent and respectable as their contemporaries in France, England, Sweden, . . .

our politicians don’t rewrite international law, they ignore it all together. they use “rules based order” which has nothing to do with international law (which apply only to the goy). “rules based order” means rules based on our orders, also known as the talmud. for years we have been told to ignore the talmud, that as goy, we don’t have the intellect to understand the mysterious inner meaning of goy just being cattle. well now it seems, they’re not going to hide it anymore. bibi has instructed his terrified teen conscripts they are continuing the 3,000 year struggle against the amalek, basically permission from god to kill every man, woman, child and yes even all their evil animals too. exterminate, exterminate, exterminate……as the daleks used to say.

why if bibi would just grow a charlie chaplin mustach and bang his fist on the podium a few times, he might be able to whip them up into true bloodlust for blood vengeance, but i suppose that’s just blood libel on my part but what do i know, i’m just a stupid goy, right?

In quoting party membership numbers it has to be remembered that the Scottish National Party (SNP) figure of 118,000 members is out of a population of Scotland of just 5.5 million people. The Conservative Party figure of 124,000 is out of an English (predominantly) population of about 60 million. In purely relative national terms the SNP is by far the greater force in terms of mass-participation of any party in the United (hardly) Kingdom.

Granted there is some crossover: the SNP might have some few hundred members in England and likewise Conservative/Tory/Unionist party membership in Scotland is scarcely discernible. In both cases however the numbers are insignificant.

The Conservatives have been in sharp decline in Scotland since the 1950s. They took a further nosedive and hit rock bottom during Thatcher’s rapacious vindictive slash-and-burn de-industrialisation of heavy industry: steel-making, shipbuilding, and lighter industries: truck, bus, car manufacture, electronics etc. to increase Scotland’s dependence on England and economically hobble it, policies began immediately she was elected in ’79 and continuing to the present day (the essentially identical in policy terms brief Blair/Brown interval notwithstanding). This lead to the glaring anomaly and democratic deficit that though they have governed Scotland through Westminster’s preponderance of English MPs, they have through that time never had so much as a fig-leaf or even a token mandate in Scotland. Their iron-grip on Scotland which they will not reliquish despite this shameful mockery of a democracy, sustained by routine use of dirty-tricks, dark-money and total and I mean Total media-control, even by US standards, and through the always present threat of sudden overwhelming military force, is due to the fact that Scotland, through its considerable oil, gas and renewable electricity capacity and future potential, is at present along with Russia, Norway and Estonia one of only four net exporters of energy in all of Europe.

Both Tory and Labour, the puppet fronts of the hidden ruling elite, choose to ignore the fact that the 1707 union of Scotland and England/Wales – entered into involuntarily by Scotland after a sustained (since at least the 1680’s) campaign of blockade and terror till its Parliament in Edinburgh comprising ‘nobles’, but certainly not its people, shamefully submitted to bribery – is de jure if not quite de facto a bi-lateral union of two equals, which either partner can and Scotland very much would rather end, soonest.

The Labour Party is of a fanatically ugly Unionist bent too, though its Scottish founder Keir Hardy made Home Rule for Scotland a central plank of early Labour’s founding policies, today they hate the SNP far more than they do the doctrinally and functionally identical Tories, for ousting them from their born-to-rule presumptuous and egregiously corrupt control of Scotland and following the trajectory the Tories had already followed, Labour have now been all but wiped out of existence in Scotland, having to resort to bussing ‘supporters’ in from England even for photo-ops. Both Conservative and Labour parties, even Corbyn’s (New New) Labour are British Nationalists, preferring in Corbyn’s case to mouth democratic platitudes for most of the planet but with a deathly colonialist iron-grip on the diverse countries which comprise the mainland of Britain. Corbyn is on this issue a hypocrite and a fraud, such inconsistency shows that his principles are variable and subject to change with the weather. Sorry then to pile in with his many and those the most vile detractors possible; as PM of a rump England-Wales – but there is no such position as yet existing – he’d be streets ahead of any alternative candidate, though still having the Blairite and Zionist monkeys on his back tormenting him, but if he continues to stand in the way of Scotland’s path to independence and its democratic right, the problems he has at present will pale to insignificance. His enemies are our, the Scots, enemies and if Corbyn really were his own man, he’d recognise that and not try despicably and in vain to keep Scotland down.

The fear is that the SNP might turn out to be some quisling-ZOG affair in-waiting, who’ll sell us down the river as soon as the vote is secured, to the EU, US and the fiend financial overlords, but then would that be any worse, any different from that those conditions prevailing at present, and nothing can have been any worse surely than having England as neighbour for all time. The answer is No, so Independence for Scotland is very much on. Neither EU, US, NATO, Soros and his ilk, or a deluded English elite still dreaming of Empire have the right to try stop it.

“This sounds mad?� You said it. What you are trying to spin is transparent. Let’s make Corbin hater of everything that is normal and sane (like Israel, among others), who would always select evil iver good. And then to top off your presumably disinterested love of goodness, blame the entire human race as an evil under the sun.

Not really. There are evil people, and thise zealots that would do anything to defend them, no matter how mad. We are talking here about such evil, self evident, indefensible. But there are always those that will stand up, and the more the evil flexes its muscle to destroy them — the more the evil is exposed. Evil brings grief to mankind, especially those who believe that this evil is committed in order to protect them. The nerds of the establishment usually are the last knes to comprehend what is at stake.

Sounds a lot like Trump to me.

Is the Arabic “Allah” etymologically related to “El” one of the two Hebrew names for the deity in the Torah? (The other being Jahweh).

You are not wholly wrong but you have got it a bit garbled. The tenure of everyone about there is by way of lease from the government. There was very little freehold under the Ottomans and there still isn’t much. The Bedouins are, in legal terms, squatting like many early low class whites in the colonial southern states. They are not now inhabiting the Negev as they once may have because then they were constantly moving and now they are stuck in slummy welfare supported villages. Listening to one who was a local mayor I did nonetheless think the government was behaving oppressively. But, again for legal accuracy, there will be nothing illegal about the proposed Jewish villages since the Negev is part of Israel not the occupied West Bank.

It seems to me that the most important country for Muslims (for Sunnis anyway) is in bed with zionists.

To a degree this is correct. Saudi is important because of the sacred sites and oil, but, strategically, countries like Turkey and Egypt are more important and always have been.

But are millions of Muslims also powerless against Saudi Arabia?

Good question, what do we do about Saudi? I’m not sure what to do? The Muslim street is not keen on Saudi. I can tell you anytime Saudi is brought up in a dinner conversation between any Muslims I’ve ever come across, everyone complains about them. But they have a hell of a lot of money so they buy a lot of influence, just like the do in the West.

They have the leadership of the most powerful country in the world dancing around with swords:

Video Link

I definitely don’t want the country simply falling apart either; they have some very serious armament that I would rather not think of in the black market since they are one of the largest military purchasers in the world:

And if you speak out publicly against them, they can make sure that you and your family will never be allowed to make the Hajj pilgrimage. It really sucks.

So, I’m up for suggestions other than praying that the leadership either comes to its senses or some change of the guard happens within the ruling family.

Hope you didn’t find this post as an insult. No offense intended.

None taken. I apologize that I don’t have a better answer for you – wish I did. This question is just as perplexing to me.

Peace.

Hi Talha,

You don’t know what is Akbar Ali’s agenda but you do know what is the agenda of those who gave us “war on terrorism”.

I suppose you would agree that is in fact a war against Muslims, against Islam. One of the objectives of the “war on terrorism” is of course to help that little country which controls USA and Russia to achieve its objectives. One of the objectives is to bring the western public opinion on the board and that is done by assimilating Islam with terrorism and terrorism with Islam hence lots of false flags in several western countries where the terrorist is always a “muslim.”

All this seems pretty clear and should be crystal clear for all Muslims. For all decent human beings.

But as an observer, It seems to me that the most important country for Muslims (for Sunnis anyway) is in bed with zionists. IMHO, for that reason that country lost its legitimacy to be a guarantor of most sacred sites of Islam.

Maybe Muslims can’t do nothing against the headquarters of the international zio mafia in the ME.

But are millions of Muslims also powerless against Saudi Arabia ?

Shouldn’t it be moral obligation for all Muslims to free Saudi Arabia from the shackles of the IZM ?

Hope you didn’t find this post as an insult. No offense intended. If you see it that way, do accept my apologies.

Maybe what I wrote is just stupid. In that case, please just ignore this post.

thanks

Only Sunni who are Wahhabi, don’t believe in the reliability

This is a completely false statement. I have studied under many scholars, none of them Wahhabi. Nobody uses that work as a source for anything, and definitely not as the second most reliable text after the Qur’an.

According to Dr. Zakir Naik

OK, that’s nice – why would I take Dr. Zakir Naik over Imam Ibn Hajar (ra) – if you have to ask who Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani (ra) is, then what are you doing speaking as if with authority on behalf of Sunnis?

the Highest Wahhabi Preacher of Saudi Arabia

Take it up with Wahhabis since I’m talking about the Sunni Orthodox tradition.

How he died?

He was killed by a Khariji rebel.

I can go on

Yes you can, “Tammy” and anyone who still believes you are an accurate source of information on Sunni doctrines is welcome to believe you. I still don’t get what your agenda is and why you keep popping up on these forums under different names to attack and state incorrect things about the Sunni tradition, but that’s between you and God.

I’m asking again, please do not bother me with more Shiah debating points since we don’t even agree on the basics of the historical record. Thanks in advance.

Wa salaam.

Islam has become a joke. Imam Ali, the murdered and Muawiya his murderer to gain the Caliphate by Force, both are called, “Commander of Faithful (ra).”

The theology of ISIS is in the above event, which took place 30 years after the demise of the Prophet (saws). Take land by Force and Claim yourself to be Caliph, Commander of Faithful (ra).

Time for me to go to bed, it is just past midnight in Oman.

Akbar Ali

Learning how to pronounce Quran verbally, doesn’t mean you are being taught Arabic language and that you understand Arabic language.

Never said that it did. It teaches you proper recitation.

You mean madrasas!

No, I meant what I said – the man was not some mere teacher for Qur’an memorization – he was a master jurist in the Maliki school, one of the greatest ones alive. Who has taught many other scholars who have gone on to teach others.

The translation I like (in English) is usually Pickthall, but I prefer using this site (which has one of the most comprehensive list of translations):
https://www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an

Wa salaam.

Salam Talha,

Nobody in the Sunni scholarship believes that work has any reliability.

Only Sunni who are Wahhabi, don’t believe in the reliability of ‘The Peak of Eloquence’. This is a new thingy, but you should know the views of esteemed Sunni Scholars, and not Wahhabi Scholars. If you want, I can quote many of them.

Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani (ra) – the greatest commenter on the Bukhari collection – stated: “Loving and glorifying him (Yazid) is not done except by a heretic.�

Who is Imam ibn Hajar. According to Dr. Zakir Naik, he quotes from Bukhari that Yazid is in Heaven with Hussein. Do you want me to post the video of Dr. Zakir Naik?

Or the video of blind preacher, the Highest Wahhabi Preacher of Saudi Arabia calling Yazid, “The Commander of the Faithful” (ra).

(ra)

What does (ra) mean? God to be pleased with him/her, right? Whose grave is this? It is Commander of Faithful Ali (ra) the Forth Caliph of Islam. How he died? The Commander of Faithful Muawiya (ra) the Fifth Caliph of Islam had him murdered.

Why the Commander of Faithful Muawiya (ra) the Fifth Caliph of Islam had Commander of Faithful Ali (ra) the Forth Caliph of Islam murdered.

Because when Commander of Faithful Ali (ra) the Forth Caliph of Islam become Caliph, he wanted to remove Muawiya (ra) as the Governor of Syria.

I can go on, but I bet you catch my drift.

Akbar Ali

Salam Talha,

One of the greatest scholars in the entire world, of the Maliki school, recently passed away, this was the school he taught at:

You mean madrasas!

Look at the slates, they only are learning letters and not Quran. Learning how to pronounce Quran verbally, doesn’t mean you are being taught Arabic language and that you understand Arabic language.

In Quran memorization from heart and properly reciting the Quran, most of the time Bangladesh children win the yearly contests, they beat the Arab children. But do they know Arabic language, how to read, write and understand Arabic.

There was a little Shiah boy who also came to him to memorize the Qur’an

See Talha, your own words, he came to memorize the Quran. Not learn how to read, write and/or to understand Arabic, not even know how to understand Quran in Arabic and not translation of the Quran.

Have you seen the Quran translation called, “The Authenticated International Translation”? Sounds big but, “Read Wahhabi translation”!

Akbar Ali

So chill brother, just different beliefs.

Absolutely – which is fine, I can respect that, but then why are you making stuff up like:
“Nahjul Balagha ‘The Peak of Eloquence’ by Ali the forth Caliph is considered by all Muslims as second only to Quran.”

Nobody in the Sunni scholarship believes that work has any reliability. And that is on top of other claims you have made that we Sunnis believe – which is utter nonsense like about Yazid. Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani (ra) – the greatest commenter on the Bukhari collection – stated:
“Loving and glorifying him (Yazid) is not done except by a heretic.”

This and other claims (too numerous to point out) on behalf of what Sunnis actually believe is nonsense and false.

Why don’t you just stick to making points about what Shiahs believe and leave it at that, why do you feel the need to speak (often incorrectly) on behalf of the Sunni tradition?

You and Iris both jumped into it

I simply commented on Iris’ post and left you alone.

I still don’t get your agenda here. Why did you, “Tammy”, return under a different name simply to do the same stuff over again? What do you hope to accomplish by throwing Sunnis (85-90% of all Muslims) and our tradition under the bus?

Did you find a bunch of Muslims on Unz.com going off on and insulting Shiah doctrine that you felt the need to hop in and make retorts?

You’ve basically conjured up and conducted a debate on your own; speaking for both sides.*

Wa salaam.

*And no, I still don’t want to debate – anybody who wants to take you as an authority on things can feel free to do so.

The scholar I sat with never asked for a dime of remuneration. All he asked was for my time and commitment. I would drive from my home in Culver City to Inglewood for Fajr prayer every morning. There was a little Shiah boy who also came to him to memorize the Qur’an and learn tajweed.

But most Arabs don’t have so much money

And yet the people who teach my kids learned from scholars in Syria. Poverty has rarely ever been a blockage to people learning the various disciplines of Islam.

Little kids in dirt poor countries in Africa learn Qur’an:

One of the greatest scholars in the entire world, of the Maliki school, recently passed away, this was the school he taught at:

It never stopped him from teaching and producing hundreds of scholars.

Wa salaam.

Salam Talha,

I already told you a while back when you appeared as “Tammy� that I was not interested in getting into a Shiah-Sunni debate.

It has nothing to do with Shiah-Sunni debate, it has to do with different beliefs. You believe in 7 recitations, and I believe in only one recitation. You believe that the Prophet was illiterate, and I believe that he was the mother of Quranic Classical Arabic and how to pronounce the complete Quran in only one recitation.

When other people who came and claim that Prophet was illiterate and/or he married a six years old child, then I have to let them know about my beliefs. That he was not illiterate and he knew how to read and write. And, no he didn’t marry a six years old child, which is reported in Bukhari by Aisha, which was complied by Bukhari 200 years later after the demise of the Prophet. There is no where the Prophet informing us, that he married a six years old child.

So chill brother, just different beliefs. You and Iris both jumped into it, in my posts. You don’t have to jump in my posts.

Akbar Ali

the Shia don’t believe this

As if Sunnis stay up at night worried about what the Shiahs don’t believe from our tradition.

(sigh) Keep going “Tammy” (you’re on a roll) and give our regards to your “Dixie Chicken”.

Wa salaam.

Salam Talha,

I learned it from a scholar from South Africa and my kids have learned proper recitation from Syrian teachers, but keep beating that Wahhabi horse.

See Talha, you are very rich and can afford scholars and teachers for your kids, thanks to USA. But most Arabs don’t have so much money, they can hardly buy their daily breed.

Akbar Ali

Salam Talha,

ONLY ONE RECITATION.

The Quran calls the Prophet (saws) Ummi, meaning the Mother of the language of Quran, and not that he is illiterate as reported by Aisha or any others like her in Bukhari 200 years later after the demise of the Prophet.

So, the recitation is in his own Quresh dialect, and no other recitation. The seven recitations is per Omar, when he heard someone reciting the Quran and he couldn’t recognize it, so he took him to the Prophet and Prophet asked the man to recite again, and told Omar, yes it is Quran. Total BS, the Shia don’t believe this… Bukhari was complied 200 years later after the demise of the Prophet.

Both Quran and Sunnah were burned, while the body of the Prophet was still warm!

Akbar Ali

I wanted to keep this just on the issue of the Arabic rule and grammar particularly in respect to the word/name of “Allah”.

not like you from converts who are mostly Wahhabi.

I learned it from a scholar from South Africa and my kids have learned proper recitation from Syrian teachers, but keep beating that Wahhabi horse.

This is one of the Sunni myth

I already told you a while back when you appeared as “Tammy” that I was not interested in getting into a Shiah-Sunni debate.

Feel free to keep on repeating Shiah talking points as before, people are free to take you as an authority on these matters if they like – I will not engage. Thanks.

Wa salaam.

Salam Talha,

This can be easily looked up in a reference like Lane’s Lexicon under the entry for “Allah� which states:

Who is Edward William Lane? Yes, I know lots of Pakistanis use his Lexicon to translate personally the Quran for themselves.

To be honest, this argument is one of the weakest ones I’ve ever come across to try to prove that something is not a proper noun. As if denoting something is a proper noun then automatically assumes some kind of a legally enforceable trademark.

If you have read my posts above before jumping in, you would have found Malaysia suing both Christians and Sikhs not to use the name of Allah as their God.

Seven and all of them say “Allah� the same.

This makes no sense, each of the recitations has a well-known chain of transmission at the level back to the Prophet (pbuh). The codification of giving titles and exact names to the rules came later.

This is one of the Sunni myth, which is recorded by Bukhari 200 years later after the demise of the Prophet. Shia believe in ONLY ONE RECITATION.

Can you recite for me complete Quran in seven recitations? Or only one? I know that you will recite just allah the same way seven times, and you will tell me it is seven recitations. Full Quran, my friend Talha in seven recitations?

Your Authenticated Books of chain of transmission have so much contradiction in them, it is boggling the mind. For example,
1. Aisha said that goat eat the leaf on which some verses were written.
2. Aisha said that Sura (Chapter) such and such had almost 200 verses, and I only see less than 100.
3. The first Sura (Opening Chapter) is not part of the Quran.
4. Quran is missing some verses and so forth.
5. Or, Quran has been changed.

However, all Muslims agree that the Third Caliph Osman who complied the first Quran and burned the rest of the Qurans, didn’t compile it:
1. Serially, thus changing the stories of the Quran. For example, chapter 5, verse 67.
2. He complied it in Old, Old Arabic and not Quranic Classical Arabic.
3. It didn’t have dots for the letters (alphabets), so one could not make difference between letters, for example, B, Y, T, N and lots of other letters too.

Correct, but also irrelevant since we are only talking about one word. And despite these differences, they manage to say the name “Allah� according to its unique way.

No, they don’t, unless one learns Quranic Arabic. Even in regular discourse they forget to use it. They learn Arabic from their mothers, fathers, siblings and not like you from converts who are mostly Wahhabi.

I have exhausted my say on the matter, I am not convinced by your argument nor – it seems – are you convinced by mine. This is fine; people observing are free to go with whichever side they feel has presented the better argument.

Finally, we agree on something!

Akbar Ali

Look, it’s fine if you want to claim “Allah” is not a proper noun. Totally fine. The vast majority of scholars on the Arabic language disagree with you. This can be easily looked up in a reference like Lane’s Lexicon under the entry for “Allah” which states:
“Allah: According to the most correct of the opinions respecting it, which are twenty in number, or more than thirty, is a proper name, applied to the Being who exists necessarily by Himself, comprising all the attributes of perfection; a proper name denoting the true god…”

The article below is the reference and mentions various other normal rules the name breaks with normal Arabic due to honoring the name:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2002.02.0015%3Aentry%3DAll~%60hu

Is it why Muslims are suing Christians, not to use allah in their Bible, because Muslims consider them as Trinitarians and not Monotheist?

To be honest, this argument is one of the weakest ones I’ve ever come across to try to prove that something is not a proper noun. As if denoting something is a proper noun then automatically assumes some kind of a legally enforceable trademark.

Are you saying that science of Quranic recitation has seven recitations or only ONE?

Seven and all of them say “Allah” the same.

The supposedly science of Quranic recitation didn’t come into existence, at least 80 years after the Prophet’s demise.

This makes no sense, each of the recitations has a well-known chain of transmission at the level back to the Prophet (pbuh). The codification of giving titles and exact names to the rules came later.

No Arabic speaking country speaks with the Quranic pronunciation.

Correct, but also irrelevant since we are only talking about one word. And despite these differences, they manage to say the name “Allah” according to its unique way.

I have exhausted my say on the matter, I am not convinced by your argument nor – it seems – are you convinced by mine. This is fine; people observing are free to go with whichever side they feel has presented the better argument.

Wa salaam.

Salam Talha,

Again, you are everywhere and again hiding behind tawheed, do you know Talha what monotheism mean in Arabic, it means tawheed. Talha, I have given you umpteen examples that allah is not a proper noun. Is it why Muslims are suing Christians, not to use allah in their Bible, because Muslims consider them as Trinitarians and not Monotheist?

Talha you are a male, so your name is Talha, which a masculine name. And, Iris is a female, and her name is Iris, which is a feminine name. Both of you have proper nouns. Now, look what you have written, which is one of your gem:

As to the other points; yes “Allah� is genderless, which again points to it being a proper noun.

And, I don’t understand your another gem below:

We also have the pronunciations of the various dialects preserved in the science of Quranic recitation; which one pronounces “Allah� differently?

Are you saying that science of Quranic recitation has seven recitations or only ONE?

The supposedly science of Quranic recitation didn’t come into existence, at least 80 years after the Prophet’s demise. And, since then it is being refined. Is Quran recited in ONE way or seven different ways?

Talha have you been in any Arab country, beside Saudi Arabia? How many different Arabic pronunciations are there? How many English pronunciations are there? Do Americans, British and Australia speak English with the same pronunciations. Do within American, all Americans speak English with the same pronunciations.

No Arabic speaking country speaks with the Quranic pronunciation. You probably learned Arabic with the Quranic pronunciation as a Pakistani living in USA by someone who has converted to Islam.

Akbar Ali

I have no clue who has been debating that it is not a proper noun. This forum is the first time I’ve ever heard of it. The only source you have cited for this is yourself.

As to the other points; yes “Allah� is genderless, which again points to it being a proper noun.

Wahhabi has nothing to do with pronunciation; proper tajweed rules predate the Wahhabi movement by centuries. Trying to pin everything that disagrees with you on the Wahhabi influence isn’t sound practice and I doubt anyone here is convinced.

Name one culture that pronounces “Allah� like the sound in “lamp� instead of “law�. We also have the pronunciations of the various dialects preserved in the science of Quranic recitation; which one pronounces “Allah� differently?

Wa salaam.

Salam Talha,

There were 3 issues identified above.

1. I claimed that allah can’t be made into plural. Read at all the above posts carefully. Iris, she jumped in and said, it could, and then she quoted the plural for ilah. You then jumped in and started saying how allah should be pronounced in Quranic Classical Arabic. It has become very Wahhabi to pronounce allah in Quranic Classical Arabic. In bazaars and markets, allah is pronounced according to local dialect, just like before Islam. Today, Wahhabi are claiming it is wrong to write “inshaallah”, as it is idol thingy. They say, we should write it as “in sha allah”. I am really sick of them.

2. The second issue was identified if allah is a feminine noun like ilah or it is a masculine noun. It all depends, if one believes that God has a gender or not. To Shia, God has no shape, form, body, spirit and so forth, so he/she/it doesn’t have a gender. There is no “it” in Arabic language and all nouns are either feminine or masculine. Also, calling allah as, “it” is disrespectful. In Quran the masculine gender is used for allah, but allah is basically a gender less noun.

3. The third issue identified, if allah is a proper noun. Muslim have been debating this issue for centuries, some believe it and others don’t. I don’t.

Salam,

Akbar Ali

We are a very sick country at the moment, exemplified best in the beatification of John McCain, who was a living piece of shit when he walked upon this earth!

Got to show all the other collaborators that collaboration with the Empire pays well, and that they’ll be well looked after until the end.

The Bedouins Have inhabited the Negev since BC times and Israel claims that they must be expelled…to make room for more ILLEGAL settlments…..Israeli Apartheid “laws” are illegitimate, inmoral, Illegal,…

Very American of you not to notice that Jews do not control most of the *world’s* governments etc. And your 2 per cent is an America related figure….

ChuckOrloski, ““drowningâ€� occurred immediately after USA’s atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilian populations.”

Timequake!

Akbar Ali

Hi Phil,
… For me, having watched parts of McCain’s macabre funeral was valuable!
… Doing so provided a better way to “know thy Enemy.”
… I predict a mad dog American-Israeli Empire attack on maybe the two (2) remaining “Islamo-Fascist” regimes during an NFL game “halftime,” and the Neoconservative right-wing will also get players who took knees during Star Spangled Banner.
… Selah, “We are a very sick country” who shall foolishly rely upon care by very sick & filthy Doctor(Z)s.
… Ciao and arrivederci, Phil! That’s about the extent of my Italian, plus of course Scrantonian- specialties, “minkya’ and fungoo-la-maggotz.”

Profoundly, Iris asked: “When did the planet’ s intellectual and ethical pursuits drown in the gutter of greed?”
Hi Iris,
… Following is reply.
… The process of ethical-demoralization of our planet’s intellectual class resulted from centuries of gradual waterboarding by conscience-less elites.
… And to seal shut the wise-voices of classical ethics, a shameful-humanitarian “drowning” occurred immediately after USA’s atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilian populations.
… So keep faith & hold on, Iris! The “gutter of greed” flows down-gradient & drains into a human sewage treatment plant.
Post scriptum: Hail Dixie Chick, Natalie Manes!

I mean in all Arabic, prior to and after the Quranic revelation. People of that area, Arab-speaking, used Allah as a proper name for God. There is no contradiction here. It is the same whether Jews or Christians used the term. When someone/anyone says “Zeusâ€�, everyone knows exactly what they are talking about. “Allahâ€� is a proper name – which is why it is pronounced (and even written differently). If it was simply a contraction of al and ilah then it would be pronounced like the laa sound in “lampâ€� like it is in every other word, but it is not – it is uniquely pronounced like the sound in “lawâ€�. You can ask any academic scholar of the Arabic language.

Wa salaam.

The late Ahmed Deedat who died in 2005, used to be a highly regarded scholar on Bible. He used to have old copies of English Bibles on his site, where Allah is used for God. Not Bibles in Arabic, but Bibles in English.

BTW, the ex Prime Minister of Malaysia is sitting in the prison now.

Akbar Ali

Talha wrote, I referenced the article to show one thing alone; that people who have formally studied the Arabic language know �Allah� is a proper noun.

Salam Talha,

I am not interested to carry this any further. I tried to hint at you, that it has become fashionable these days to call Allah a proper noun, to the point that Malaysia is suing the Christians for using Allah in their Bible as Allah is exclusive for Muslim. If you have read my posts earlier, all Arabic Bibles have Allah in them for God. Even the Arab Jews call God, Allah.

What do you mean by formal Arabic? You mean Quranic Classical Arabic?

Or you mean Old, Old Arabic, prior to Islam?

In the Old, Old Arabic, Allah was used by all Arabs whether Jews or Christians and it was before Islam. The formal Arabic which is in Quran, came in existence 70 years after the demise of Prophet Mohammad (saws).

Muslims think that Ahad is exclusively in Quran, and not knowing it is used in Shema Yisrael, which I tried to hint to you.

In conclusion, both Allah and Ahad are part of Old, Old Arabic, before Islam. And, both Jews and Christians Arabs, use the term Allah for God.

Maybe, Wahhabistan can sue these Jews and Christians for using Allah for their God, as Malaysia did for .7 billion from Saudi Arabic in the personal account of Prime Minister.

Akbar Ali

You are going all over the place now and I’m not interested in diving into the details and differences in the interpretation of Tawhid. I referenced the article to show one thing alone; that people who have formally studied the Arabic language know �Allah� is a proper noun.

That’s all I was positing in supporting Iris’ position on the subject.

Wa salaam

Hi Chuck;

Thanks for posting the anti-war song. You raised a very profound point: when did artists stop getting involved in promoting common good? When did the planet’ s intellectual and ethical pursuits drown in the gutter of greed? Some believe that this collapse of civilisation happened at the collapse of USSR, for a lack of geopolitical competitor drew the USA into delusion, hubris and complacency.

I am glad to learn that the Dixie Chicks opposed imperial wars; they are talented musicians whom I like very much. With kind regards.

Video Link

Talha wrote, “You have referenced al-Islam.org multiple times. It is a well known site for Shiah doctrines and reference. Even they agree with me and Iris.”

Salam Talha,

What you think, the BS has not crept in Shia religion?

The author of the article is not very learned and he is trying to explain God in one page, whereas Imam Ali says:

Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking earth with rocks.

The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute.

Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and whoever recognises His like regards Him two; and whoever regards Him as two recognises parts for Him; and whoever recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and whoever mistook Him pointed at Him; and whoever pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and whoever admitted limitations for Him numbered Him. Whoever said: ‘In what is He?’, held that He is contained; and whoever said: ‘On what is He?’, held He is not on something else.

He is a Being, but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence.

The Arabic word for One is “Wahid”, now look very carefully the Sura on the top of the page, you quoted. Does it says, Allah is Wahid? Or it says, Allah is Ahad?

Same principle is in Shema Yisrael, the Jewish twice daily allegiance to God. The word used in Shema Yisrael is again Ahad.

For you to understand, what Ahad means, I suggest that you read Najhul Balagha (Peak of Eloquence) by Imam Ali (as) to fully understand the Concept of God, Monotheism and Definition of God in Shia religion. From the same book, I have quoted the first sermon of Imam Ali (as) for your ease.

Akbar Ali

I’m well aware of the history of the development of the diacritical marks in written Arabic. This in no way refuted anything I stated about how the articulation of the laam in “Allah� is unique from its usage in every other word.

You have referenced al-Islam.org multiple times. It is a well known site for Shiah doctrines and reference. Even they agree with me and Iris.

The proper name which Islam uses for God is “Allahâ€�. “Allahâ€� means “One who deserves to be loved â€� and “Into Whom everyone seeks refuge.â€� This word, grammatically speaking, is unique. It has no plural and no feminine. So this name itself reflects light upon the fact that Allah is one and only one; He has neither any partner nor any equal. This name cannot properly be translated by the word “Godâ€� because God can be transformed in `gods’ and `goddess’.
https://www.al-islam.org/god-islamic-perspective-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/part-3-tawhid

Wa salaam.

Good afternoon, Philip Giraldi,
… As Scranton presents the city’s annual & impressive Italian Festival, I greet you with goodwill and a question.
… As Italian musicians & singers perform in ear-shot of my home, I happened to read the disturbing report (below) about our government’s plan to lie again, & then crucify the defiant Basher Assad government.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/09/01/572861/Syria-Idlib-chemicals
… Given a luxury of time, Phil, can you please help me get things straight? I promise neither any Bible-Thumping nor Quran-Thumping.
… As per the linked article, the US plans to strike Syrian government forces because the Syrian army is repelling “terrorists” who operate in their country.
… In contrast, while tuned into our Jewish Corporate Media, American citizens get daily sermons on how Russia (exclusively) interfered in the 2017 ZUS presidential election. (zzZigh)
… Phil, assuming the above “pressTVreport” & my observations approximate reality, I ask you: How much longer can concerned & restless American citizens stomach their government’s HYPOCRISY?
… Thanks for all you do. Ciao and a Gomer Pyle “Santa Maria” good day from Scranton!

Well, the video posted above is called, “The Ballad of Curtis Loew” as the most appropriate response to Mr. Young.

Akbar Ali

ChuckOrloski wrote, “”In fact, traditional outspoken rebel, singer-songwriter, Neil Young, did a 9/11 pep-rally song called, “Let’s roll!â€�”

Well I heard mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ol’ Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don’t need him around, anyhow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSvKkMs2ieo

Akbar Ali

Talha wrote, “it has a fath-ha on it or alif maksoorah (like the ‘a’ in the words bat and cat)”

The Arabic diacritics were introduced 50 years later after the first written Quran, the Mushaf (Codex) of Osman was released. The third Caliph Osman released the first Mushaf (Codex) of Quran written in Old, Old (Modern) Arabic, which even didn’t have Arabic diacritics and dots to properly identify the different Arabic letters (alphabets). Prophet left the Quran with Ali written in Quranic Arabic, but the first Caliph abu Bakr refused to accept it which had the Arabic diacritics and dots for identifying various Arabic letters (alphabets), this written Arabic is called, Quranic Classical Arabic.

Images of first Arabic Quran written in Old, Old Arabic, without the Arabic diacritics and no dots for identifying various Arabic letters (alphabets).

https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/topkapi.html

Check out the image (d) and the first word is Allah, written without the Arabic diacritics.

After Osman, Ali become the forth Caliph, he formed a committee of his students in the leadership of abu Aswad, to put the dots for the letters and convert it from Old, Old (Modern) Arabic to Quranic Classical Arabic by putting Arabic diacritics. This project was completed 40 years after the demise of Ali.

Allah was used as God by all the Arab Tribes, before Islam. The problem lies Muslim not knowing the history of Quran and history of written Arabic languages.

Akbar Ali

geokat62 conveyed the opposite of gospel-tenet, “Good News” “It appears Browder once again got his way and the Nekrasov film has been removed from Vimeo:”
… Regrettably, such Secular Jewish High Roller/Priest “censorship” is par-for-the-course.
… At any rate, the good news is that their disposal-technology that consigns unwanted FACTS into the American “Memory Hole” is less than complete.
Thanks, geo.

Lest we forget Halliburton, the personal Oil Company of Darth Vader.

Akbar Ali

It appears Browder once again got his way and the Nekrasov film has been removed from Vimeo:

Dear @Vimeo

Why was this film removed?

This appears to be political censorship. Is this how you treat filmmakers? https://t.co/qHzBMYrsnn

— Lee Stranahan (@stranahan) September 2, 2018

… Thanks geo for finding a published report naming US military forward bases after oil companies. There were others named thusly in addition to Exxon-Mobil!
… Having followed NYT reports during aftermath of ZUSA’s faux-revenge assault on Afghanistan & unnecessary & immoral “Shock and Awe,” fyi, there were three (3) NYT first page photographs which caught my attention. They are as follows;
1. A color photograph depicting an American soldier armed-patrol on the perimeter of an Afghan poppy field. (Note: Soviet historian Roy (?) Medvedev wrote a book that scoffed US government’s claim that Mujahedeen were “Freedom Fighters.” Medvedev insisted that the real battle was being waged by competing WARLORDS who desired to be kingpins in the international heroin trade)
2. Post-“liberation” of Iraq, the NYT offered a front-page photo that depicted gleeful western oil company executives seated at conference table & negotiating deals with a new set of Iraqi officials who were open to doing “business” with Paul Brenner’s oily Occupation forces.
3. Lastly, & perhaps of less importance, a NYT front-page offered a color photo of the dreaded Afghan Taliban who were accused of offering sanctuary to OBL, & who had nothing to do with the 9/11 terror attacks!
The NYT’s picture showed a fearsome rifle-toting Taliban (euphemism) “non-combatant,” traveling upon a horse, and apparently defending the “graveyard of Empires” from the mighty American-Israeli Empire Army. (zzZigh)
… Thanks once again for the fine research help, geo!
Selah, Brit singer Rod Stewart, “Every picture tells a story, don’t it!”

Akbar Ali wrote, “Hindus are created by Bagwan”

If one studies Hindu religion deeply, one finds it to be Monotheists too. All the religious wars are for two reasons:

1. My definition of Monotheism is the correct one, especially in the ISIS, Wahhabi and Paki theology.
2. My definition 0f the Creator is the right one.

Best regards,

Akbar Ali

ChuckOrloski wrote, “Selah, “there’s no god but God…,â€�”

One of the most fanatics are converts, who converted from one religion to another. They always try to prove, they made the right choice. But, I wouldn’t include Cats Steven in this category.

The Urdu language is mostly made up of Arabic and Persian. Khuda is God in Persian. So, both the Iranians and the Pakis used to say, “Khuda Hafiz” meaning, leaving you in God’s Protection. In Arabic, it is Fi -Aman Allah.

Saudi Arabia money has worked wonders on Pakistan. The Iranian still say, “Khuda Hafiz”, but if you say this to a Paki, he will look at you that he is going to murder you. And, he answers, “Allah Hafiz”. Most Muslims in Europe are Pakis.

Shia are butchered right and left everyday in Pakistan. Hardly, any Paki knows that the founder of the country, “Mohammad Ali Jinnah” was a Shia.

However, Saudi Arabia is having Wahhabi blow back. Imagine, women are not allowed to drive in this day and age. Saudi women cover themselves as Ninja, and when the airplanes leave the Saudi airspace, there goes the Ninja cover, and bottles of all kind of brews are enjoyed. Saudi has a land bridge to Bahrain, and on weekends it is bumper to bumper traffic. Bahrain, were weed, wine and whites are readily available. Women from any part of the world for the right price.

The rulers of Saudi are smart and under the disguise of MSB things are rapidly changing for good, so do in Pakistan with Imran Khan becoming the Prime Minister.

Imagine, Hindus are created by Bagwan, Jews by YHWH, Christians by God and Muslims by Allah. What happened to One Creator, One Book and One Law. The only way one can show his/her extreme love for God, is by loving his/her neighbors.

Salam,

Akbar Ali

… I read NYT reports about US forward military bases being named after huge oil companies, for example, Exxon-Mobil.

Could only find this one reference, Chuck:

As for Iraq, Exxon-Mobil used its capacity as the leading US oil company to play a leading role in the escalation that led to the invasion and current chaos, to the extent that one of the forward bases of the US army was called by the name of the company.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article128189.html

Agree here…etymology can be discussed but Allah is the proper noun in Arabic for God. It breaks multiple normal rules. Many Muslims will call it ism jalaal – the exalted name.

One of the ways it breaks the rules is its articulation. By normal rules the laam with the alif should be pronounced light like it is in every other word whenever it has a fath-ha on it or alif maksoorah (like the ‘a’ in the words bat and cat) But in this particular name (only), it is pronounced heavy (like the vowel sound in words like ought and caught). The laam never, ever behaves that way except in the name Allah.

Thought I’d weigh in.

Where did you study Arabic, if you don’t mind me asking?

Peace.

Iris said: “I am woman.”
Hi Iris,
… Eh-hem, cool, that’s good news!
… As the unnecessary revenge attack upon the Afghanistan & bombing of Taliban forces (some riding horseback), I looked around and, except for “Dixie Chicks,” Natalie Manes, I did not see much of an anti-war movement, particularly in the once non-conformist, folk-blues sector.
… In fact, traditional outspoken rebel, singer-songwriter, Neil Young, did a 9/11 pep-rally song called, “Let’s roll!” (zzZigh)
… However, a real-deal radical artist, Steve Earle, came forth & released a daring anti-war song, called, “John Walker Blues.” Steve ain’t no 1950’s crooner, but linked below is his revisionist GWOT-history making song.

Video Link
Selah, “there’s no god but God…,”

Hi Iris,
Directly after W.Bush’s barbaric “liberation” of Iraq, I read NYT reports about US forward military bases being named after huge oil companies, for example, Exxon-Mobil.
… Regret I failed to get a source that would back up this weird & brazen operation. Maybe Research Specialist geokat can do so?
… Nonetheless, below is a video on the incredible size, wealth, & political power in the Exxon-Mobil pumps, featuring the global stature of ex-Trump Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.
… Thanks for posting information on Gary Vogler’s book, Iris, must get it!
… “Netanyahu order to Secretary Mike Pompeo, “filler up to the top!”

The double L (LL) in Allah does not mean that the original Arabic word contains 2 L’s. It is a conventional way to transcribe into Latin-based languages a punctuation sign called “chidda”, which is used to stress on a consonant. The word below has a chidda on the middle letter: it is the sign similar to a horizontal 3.

French does not stress on consonants, Spanish and English do but it is not indicated by any punctuation, Arabic does and it is indicated by the ” chidda” sign added onto the letter. And you have no knowledge of Arabic.

Also, I am not your son, I am a woman. The clue is in the moniker, Iris.

Video Link
LOL, a pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa going thru Syria, in the video you posted above, watch it especially at 1:50 to 2:00 minutes.

You need to take some geography lessons.

Grow up son!

Iris wrote, “Arabic language does have a plural form for The Gods, which Al A’ liha ( ألآلهة ).”

Son what you have given above is the plural for ilah ( ألآلهة ), which has one L. Allah has two LL, such as Allah (ألله ). See (ألله ) has two LL, whereas ( ألآلهة ) has one L. There is no plural for Allah, especially as you claim Allah is a proper noun.

BTW, old Arabic has only nouns. It is not like English which has nouns, proper nouns and pronouns.

Son you need to take a breather…..

Akbar Ali

What best demonstrates the “humanitarian liberation of Iraq is the photos of Fallujah children ruined by depleted uranium.

I am not going to post any because I cannot even stand looking at them. One just needs to type the keywords in a search engine to see by themselves what horror the Anglo-Zionist empire has brought onto the Iraqi people.

I am not sure anymore the US holds main responsibility for the war on Iraq. A recent book by US oil expert Gary Vogel demonstrates that the Iraq war was undertaken to provide oil to Israel and boost the Israeli economy.

This is a very important book that would deserve a review on the Unz website.

… Also, for refresher course purpose, I recommend watching the David Irving video (below), and where he discusses “history manipulation.�

DI is smply brilliant! Thanks for sharing, Chuck.

“The Arabic is, “no ilah but al-ilahâ€� and not “There is no god but Allah.â€� “

This is completely wrong, the opposite is true.
This phrase is the first phrase of Muslim profession of faith, and there is no ambiguity whatsoever as per its meaning: Allah (ألله ) is used as a proper noun, the noun of the “only true God”.

Using Al Ilah (ألإلآه)/ The God instead can be done in vernacular language, but not in the profession of faith as this would be a cause of confusion, because unlike what you wrongly stated in another post, Arabic language does have a plural form for The Gods, which Al A’ liha ( ألآلهة ).

… touring a “liberatedâ€� Baghdad street

Hey, Chuck. I like how you put liberated in quotation marks. The reporter assured its Dumb Goyim viewers that McNasty wasn’t there for a photo opportunity. I’m somewhat dubious on that claim. If he wasn’t there for a photo op, why didn’t he tour Fallujah, instead of Baghdad, which would clearly demonstrate just how “liberated� Iraq was?

The Arabic is, “no ilah but al-ilahâ€� translates to “no god but the god”

In Semitic languages words are joined, so al-ilah as written as allah.

eli, eloi, elohi or elahi means, “my god”….

It would be bad Arabic to write, allahi for “my god”. Bad grammar meaning,”my the god”,

Akbar Ali

Allan wrote, “Romanized Arabic, which has nothing to do with showing that Judaism is true, not even if you write “al-ilahâ€� in the Kufic script.”

This article is about the Arabic word “Allah”.

Allah, Arabic: الله‎, translit. AllÄ�h, is the Arabic word for God in Abrahamic religions. In the English language, the word generally refers to God in Islam. The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al-ilÄ�h, which means “the god”, and is related to El and Elah, the Hebrew and Aramaic words for God.

The word Allah has been used by Arabic people of different religions since pre-Islamic times. More specifically, it has been used as a term for God by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab) and Arab Christians. It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used in this way by Bábists, Bahá’ís, Mandaeans, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews. Similar usage by Christians and Sikhs in West Malaysia has recently led to political and legal controversies, such as There is no god but Allah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

The Arabic is, “no ilah but al-ilah” and not “There is no god but Allah.”. How can in this day and age, one becomes so ignorant. However, brother Chuck will take to the sheds for using Wikipedia as a source, but I didn’t have a choice.

Akbar Ali

Do you know why the Khazar Jews hates Arabs and especially Palestinians so much?

Because Arabs are the real Jews, Christians and Muslims. The Jews who came out from Egypt were “Cow Worshipers”. If you don’t believe me, look up the Quran, and wonder why the second chapter of the Quran is named, “Cow”

Those Arabs, whether Jews, Christians, Muslims know their language very well. Take any Arabic Bible from any Church, and you will find that in those Bibles, God is called, “Allah”.

I honestly feel sorry for you….

Akbar Ali

Akbar Ali wrote, “YHYH is without vowels”

Jews are afraid to put vowels in YHYH (G-d), but since I am a Muslim, I will put vowels in YHYH ELOHIM, without being scared!

Let us see what it becomes, “YaHuWaH ELOHIM. It becomes, O’He Elohim. Learn your own language first!

Akbar Ali

Allan wrote, “False. Judaism rejects the Gospel of Mark and both works attributed to Luke (Gospel; Acts of the Apostles), to give just three examples of the difference between reality and your delusional notion about “One Bookâ€�.”

The Quran calls both Jews and Christians as “Family of Book”. It doesn’t matter what you and Jews think about my religion.

Allan wrote, “Silly inference. Planets such as Mars and Venus have names, but they don’t become our property because of this.”

Not Really. WHYH is without vowels, which was complete case with OT written in Hebrew without vowels. Vowels were inserted in OT written in Hebrew from Arabic during the 12th to 15th centuries. In Jesus’ time, Hebrew was a dead language, it was resurrected from Arabic in late 19th century. Till today, the Jews write God without vowels as G-d. Wonder why?

If WHYH was God’s name in Hebrew, then God will exclusively belong to Jews and no one else. I have heard Jews making this rubbish claim.

Allan wrote, “The god of the Koran—which isn’t relevant to Jewish apologetics—has 99 names. Two of them are al-haqq and al-qÄ�dir, although it would be better to say that these are alleged attributes.”

Now you are cooking, you are right that 99 are attributes of God and not names of God. Do you see Allah in these 99 attributes. Imam Ali says, these 99 attributes should be taken as a whole. If we take them separately, then we multiply God and move away from Pure Monotheism. He gives as an example, of two attributes of God, “First and Last” and he says, if we take them separately, then we are assigning Time to God as God is the Creator of Time and He is not bound by His Creation, such as Time.

Allan wrote, “Romanized Arabic, which has nothing to do with showing that Judaism is true, not even if you write “al-ilahâ€� in the Kufic script.”

What script has to do with language. Arabic has 100s of scripts. There are two Arabic written languages, one is old, old Arabic which is modern Arabic. The second is Quranic Arabic which is called, “Classical Arabic”. It both written Arabic it is al-ilah. Here is a verse 114-3, where God is refereed to ilah.

Ø¥Ù�لَٰهÙ� النَّاسÙ� – 114:3 – See no al-ilah only ilah and being a feminine noun, gender for gender is matched, but I seriously doubt that you can read Arabic.

Allan wrote, “Why? Because the god’s “hand is fetteredâ€� (Koran 5:64) such that it has no choice or freedom to do otherwise?”

I have never heard of it, so I decided to look up the verse. Here is what the verse says:

And the Jews say, “The hand of Allah is chained.” Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended;

LIAR. I didn’t know that you are a Wahhabi, who takes the Quran literally. A Wahhabi says, when Allah tells us in the Quran, that his hands are extended, then why should Allah lie in the Quran, but you say they are, “tied”.

Kind regards,

Akbar Ali

I’m quite surprised to hear this as many leftist generaly don’t seem to understand this issue and tend to opt for morality, without ethics.

Regarding the ethical question, i understand and very much appreciate this, however the concept of ethics is conditional based on QUALITATIVE differences in the actions of the subjects in question.

We say for example a greedy businessman takes advantage of russia run down on it’s luck and buys up it’s asssets for cheap. This is immoral, however it’s not unethical as he has basically played by the rules and engagned in a mutualy consentual transaction. You cannot prosecute.

Now where the question of ethics comes in is if there was something of a bribery or coercion comes in to the picture then it becomes an ethical question. You can prosecute.

However let’s take things one step further and, as you say, analyse the question of causality and the attribution of responsibility. Whereas i’m genereally incredibly cynical towards the communist/socialist left as in many cases they advocate killing “borgeosie” or whatever based on moral grounds which, from my understanding, makes them no different to your run of the mill religous fanatic, in this instance i believe that such comparisons are a mischaracterisation of the dilemma we face. To put it succinctly i prescribe to the notion that what occured after the fall of the SU was an act of genocide and that many of the people who participated are in fact guilty of mass murder.

Here the laws of the voluntary transaction aren’t the only factor when you can clearly see in real time that what your doing is leading to the deaths of a great number of people. The onus here is on you and your responsibility. It’s not just a moral dilemma where “oh i see starving man! Do i have to share my bread with him?”. Me as a libertarian minded fellow would say no, you don’t have an obligation however it would be a nice and moral thing if you do. However in this instance it’s by your UNETHICAL actions that the man is starving, or for e.g. “i cut costs on a bridge and well, you know, it collapsed *shrug*.” Such a thing requires an incredibly harsh punishment, which failure to mete out results in some negative sociatal implications.

So i can’t quite agree with this course of action on ethical grounds however i do understand why it’s required for stability. Hopefully when the times is right Putin will go full Bolshevik.

Akbar Ali wrote, “Good things are happening to Middle East and especially to Shia, as finally the history of Islam is told with Truth by Sunni Ulemas (Scholars)!”

Iran demanded the above price for their cooperation and sacrifices. Whereas, the Sunni demanded the preservation of their thrones. After Arab Spring, which led to the fiasco in Egypt of Mursi and 1000 Egyptians killed in one day by Sisi Military Forces, no Arab yearns for Democracy anymore!

Akbar Ali

Both Judaism and Christianity…

A serious reply to my question and request would have nothing to do with any sect of Christianity, which arose long after Judaism emerged on the scene in the Levant.

…are considered the Family of Book.

Gibberish.

One God, One Book

False. Judaism rejects the Gospel of Mark and both works attributed to Luke (Gospel; Acts of the Apostles), to give just three examples of the difference between reality and your delusional notion about “One Book”. Furthermore, the Trinitarian sect insists that the god of Abraham is a triune god: one substance and three persons. This, too, the Jews reject, and, of course, it’s an abomination in Judaism to idolize a Jew, as do the Trinitarians.

Please see my above comment #212

…which has nothing whatsoever to do with answering the question asked.

In Islam, God doesn’t have a name

The god of the Koran—which isn’t relevant to Jewish apologetics—has 99 names. Two of them are al-haqq and al-qÄ�dir, although it would be better to say that these are alleged attributes.

if He did, then He will become our property

Silly inference. Planets such as Mars and Venus have names, but they don’t become our property because of this.

The Creator is one for all mankind, therefore He/She/It sent the same religion on all mankind.

Why? Because the god’s “hand is fettered” (Koran 5:64) such that it has no choice or freedom to do otherwise?

al-ilah (allah) is…

Romanized Arabic, which has nothing to do with showing that Judaism is true, not even if you write “al-ilah” in the Kufic script.

It’s clear now that you have no interest in explaining yourself coherently, and it’s quite possible that you lack the ability to comprehend how to procede. Pity you, outlaw.

Akbar Ali wrote, “After, the first Gulf War, the father Bush encouraged the Shia to rise up against Saddam. USA sat back and allowed Saddam to mow the Shia like ants, including some of their biggest Ulemas (Scholars) and their families. These Ulemas were a great loss to Shia faith, as they were daily feeding lots of people.”

The father Bush was always interested to keep the balance between the sects, so that he can play one against the other.

Akbar Ali