https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/07/no_author/mortality-resulting-from-beverages-with-high-sugar-content/

Indulging In High Sugar Content Drinks Increases Mortality Rate

That’s a very sensible set of observations, and not idiotic at all.

To address and fix the obesity epidemic, I suggest it’s a better plan to first take aim at the Big Bubbas – overeating, food addiction, and oral cravings – before chasing after any of the little giuys we’ve read so much about in this discussion.

As you implied, the best way to lose weight is to reduce daily calorie intake to something below your maintenance level, which is around 2,000 calories a day for many people.

Additionally, even moderate daily exercise like simple walking will burn a few calories and also improve lung function in those with COPD, and of course the brain is happy to have the extra oxygen.

In summary, the brain does receive extra oxygen during exertion, primarily due to enhanced respiratory function which increases the amount of oxygen carried by hemoglobin in the bloodstream. This process allows for improved cerebral oxygenation even without significant increases in blood flow.

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Start slowly with any new exercise program.

I don’t know when dining out became a thing, but clearly it’s always been popular for those who could afford it, for the simple reasons, probably, that many people just can’t cook, or don’t like to cook, and anyway, who wants to do dishes and clean the kitchen after a big meal?

Well, once upon a time, many women accepted those chores as a natural part of their sexual role in life. Men did this, and women did that, often bearing 10 or more children in the process, and that’s all there was to it.

And I’d argue that dining out has always been glamorized by writers, not only because many fine establishments were all too happy to have any local culinary journalists or scribes sample their wares and spread the good word in their publications about the delicious meals and gracious dining at Le Portefeuille Volant.

Now it seems many of the news programs on the boob slab have a food segment where the talking heads and their celebrity guests get served and munch down on various goodies while they yak away.

Remember the Galloping Gourmet? American’s first cooking show was called I Love to Eat.

And there you have it in a nutshell. The standard chestnut, of course, notes that

Some eat to live while others live to eat.

I saw stats recently indicating that more and more people are dining out rather than preparing meals at home, and of course if you eat out, they’re going to “super-size” it for you, at least in the USA.

When McDonald’s first appeared there were just nine items on the menu, which was topped by their standard 1.6 oz hamburgers (and cheeseburgers), and 2.4 oz french fries with a 7 oz Coke. That meal would set you back all of 40 cents if you splurged and spent the extra nickel for the 0.5 oz slice of cheese on McD’s cheeseburger.

That’s about 550 calories, or 600 calories with the cheeseburger.

Now McD’s menu has over 150 items, and you could order a large Coke, large fries, and a Triple Cheeseburger at McD’s, and consume 1,300 calories if you could somehow manage to wolf it all down.

Well, the FCC eventually did ban tobacco advertising in 1971, so maybe it would be a good plan to ban or at least limit certain kinds of food advertising on today’s gigantic boob slabs, which can really make that huge dripping smashburger almost irresistible when viewed at 2K on a big screen in millions of mouthwatering colors.

Food for thought, eh?

In Barcelona: The first two obese people I have seen here yet are two American females. One of them, an obese young lady, also grossly inappropriately dressed for a concert venu at a premier concert hall.
Or anywhere but the beach, actually. Maybe.

I also noticed virtually no obese people in Erfurt, Germany, in the spring.
Just a very few who were noticeably overweight.
The Germans eat plenty of sausage, pork, bread, potatoes, cheese, butter–and Kuchen with their coffee. I suspect they are simply more active in their daily life. Organized sports as well as walking or biking instead of driving.

No Trader Joe’s where I live. Boo hoo.

Yes, I have the same experience of eating a snack when moderately hungry only to eat much more after that small snack — because I feel hungrier. (I also am naturally slender.)

“Dr” Eric Berg is a chiropractor and a scientologist, so a fraud on two fronts.
If he is right about anything it has nothing at all to do with him being a “Dr”. There is zero basis for chiropractic; it was invented by one man(a serial failure) in the late 1800s. It is as real as acupuncture which is also based on a(different) non-existent network of ‘something’ in the human body.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, isn’t the answer quite obvious? People eat more.

Now I have no doubt that some foods are better for you than others, and some foods might make it easier to gain weight, but you still have to eat more calories than you can process to get fat.

Could it not be so simple as saying the industrial revolution caused greater amounts of food to be available and at lower prices? Sugar might not be the killer in itself, but by tasting so good, it makes people consume more food. After all, there are still plenty of slim and healthy people in the West. Usually the “better half” in terms of genetics and IQ.

Based on my own anecdotal observations, stupid people tend to be fatter. Almost every mentally handicapped person I see has a weight problem.

Sin-o-nyms for what to call followers of Islam?

If you really wish to be archaic (and derogatory), there is “Musselman”. It was used against German prisoners during WW II but is far older. Or if you wish to be archaic but perhaps not derogatory, “Moor” or “Saracen”. These words even if potentially “offensive” at least have novelty value, unlike “Goat Fucker”, “Raghead”, etc.

I would highly recommend watching this video by Dr. Berg (almost 13 million subs on yt, and has had several video demonetized or ghosted by yt for its counter narrative info)

Video Link

Cold-pressed coconut oil or palm seed oil is even better. But frying and grilling are always poor choices.

To amplify the Danish research, here are some BMI data from West Point and The Citadel showing clearly that BMI among American 18-year-olds has been increasing since the middle of the 19th century, at least.

Note: Data pertains to whites. WPC= West Point Cadets; SC = students attending The Citadel Military Academy in Charleston, SC; US = national sample. The weights pertain to a man who is 70 inches (177.8 cm) tall.

From the 1850s to the 1980s, the average weight of a 5’10” U.S. 18 year old increased by ~31 lbs., from ~136 to ~167 lbs, while BMI went from under 20 to over 24.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/evolution-bmi-values-us-adults-1882-1986

So obviously, some as yet unidentified factor(s) is/are responsible for the obesity epidemic. Covering all bases, the article argues for a synthesis of known factors, or…

a network of disparate slowly changing sources as the 20th-century US population responded to a vast array of irresistible and impersonal socio-economic and technological forces.

But if the increase in weight was noticeable already from the mid 19th century, most of that vast array had yet to appear, although steam power, the railroads, telegraphs and emerging electrification qualify as creeping technological advances, and coupled with the increased availability and variety of consumer goods must have had profound effects on the lives of the Joe Schmoes of the day.

Or maybe one or more of the known and/or unknown cosmic forces are responsible for the Obesity Epidemic in the same way they’re probably responsible for life and evolution in the first place, and of course it’s not a static universe.

By the time Sokolof came along and forced McD’s and virtually all other major fast food chains to change their french fries and burgers, people were already getting fat, and I will argue here that the real culprit in the obesity epidemic remains at large.

That is to say that the real cause of the obesity epidemic remains unknown. It’s not fat and it’s not sugar, so we’ve been barking up the wrong tree or trees for a long time.

Danish researchers have digitized millions of meticulous records that were kept on schoolchildren in Copenhagen from the 1930s through the 1980s, and also of records kept on Danish recruits from 1957 to 1984. Their work suggests that some Danes have been getting heavier going back to the very beginning of this record set.

For example, obesity among boys at age 10 increased from 0.18% in 1930 to 1.13% in 1970. In other words, 18 of every 1,000 boys were obese at age 10 in 1930, but by 1970, that number had grown to 113 obese ten-year-old boys out of every 1,000, amounting to a 627% increase.

One can only guess what it might be now.

To determine whether this trend was the result of increasing BMI across the whole population or just among a select few, the researchers looked at the distributions of BMI scores by birth year. They found that the BMI of those in the lower 75% of scores stayed more or less consistent: For example, an army recruit with a BMI of 20 would land near the 25th percentile whether he was born in 1939 or 1959.

But the highest BMIs got higher year over year, especially in the more extreme percentiles. The largest 1% of army conscripts born in 1940, for instance, had BMIs that hovered near 28; those born in 1950, meanwhile, scored above 30. These changes caused the incidence of obesity to slowly increase over the early– to mid–20th century, the team says, even as BMIs on the lower end of the spectrum remained consistent.

By pushing back the advent of the epidemic, the findings undermine some existing assumptions about its origins, such as the influential role of processed foods or inactivity, Sørensen says. Those changes in lifestyle and food production did not take shape until later in the 20th century.

https://www.science.org/content/article/origins-obesity-epidemic-may-be-further-back-we-thought

The Danish records indicate something else is probably responsible for the obesity epidemic inasmuch as it had already begun by the 1930s, when careful measurements showed the biggest kids were already getting bigger.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adg6237

Authoritative predictions of calamities, even after 2000, turned out to be false. There has been no significant increase in the frequency or intensity of weather disasters:
:- official records and research show more extreme weather in the first half of the 20th century; over 2000-2021, such disasters declined in trend by ~10%
:- research covering 1990-2021 showed less cyclones globally; the Tropics generated less “Accumulated Cyclone Energy” that signifies frequency, intensity or duration
:- more flood monitoring stations globally showed a significant declining trend [2017 research]
https://iaindavis.com/the-climate-science-is-settled-any-questions-part-3/

More production following the religion of growth means more energy used. Energy in any form degrades to heat.

SO2 contributes to total cloud albedo. The new IMO regulation effective from 2020 reduced aerosols from ships by up to 86%, SO2 being a major component. This reduced low clouds. The impact was far higher in Northern Hemisphere, especially on the major shipping routes in North Atlantic, Caribbean and South China Sea. The rise in mean global air temperature from 2020, and record rise in 2023, match this reduction. This suggests a rise of ~0.24°C for the decade, 20% higher than for 1980-2019.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01442-3

All synthetic sweeteners including granulated cane sugar cause many diseases, i.e., they are poisons. All minimally processed sugar from trees, plants and fruits, including cane syrup and honey, are relatively safe.

Cotton seed oil destroys sperm.

Just soak all seeds and beans overnight (to reduce agro-chemicals and phytates). For rice not certified as low-arsenic, use 5 times as much water. Of course, this will not address mass-produced food.

The comedian George Burns indulged in cigars and lived past the century mark.

The longer you cook any food at above about 120 degrees C, more harmful by-products are generated.

Dr. Mercola differs in his own diet and advice. He recommends total calories from fats at less than about 30-35%. Otherwise, (a) the mitochondria in cells switch to fats (b) they produce much less energy (ATP) (c) they produce far more harmful by-products. Energy is of course critical for just about everything including digestion, bowel movement, metabolism (growth, repair, immunity), physical work, thought.

yea no. this toubs lad is just a typical snake oil salesman in its modern iteration (ie a book peddler).
all of his writing, whilst not _completely_ wrong, massively overexaggerates importance of issues he focuses on and subsequently is full of strawman and other fallacies.
nutritional science is a very complex topic, but for average midwit or below following basic food pyramid with a pinch of ‘all things are good in moderation’ is far better advice than any of those retard diets and other quack guru inventions

Don’t forget, Ron, one of the influential people behind the anti-fat activism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Sokolof

The Los Angeles Times eulogized Sokolof saying, “In our big, complex bureaucratized society, there was indeed a case where one person made a difference, and where an idea had definite and beneficial consequences.”

As we’ve established, the anti-fat craze incentivized food makers and consumers to rely more on sugar for taste. The result has been abhorrent.

It turns out that the group that had the chutzpah and connections to force our generations-old, tried-and-true cooking practices was from a certain tribe. Funny how that always happens?

I hope you don’t still spell “jail� “gaol�.

Since you mention it, historically “jail” is fully-American. In England old-fashioned types like me still spell it “prison”.

But I do absolutely insist on “Moslem” instead of “Muslim” – partly just because it IS the original, much older, archaic and fully grammatically-correct spelling in English – and partly because “Muslim” is the sand-niggers’ expressed preference on which THEY insist in MY country, and anything else really pisses them off.

No, spelling “forgo” “forego” is obviously a mistake. You can find it in a US dictionary because they include common mistakes. And pointing to Olde Englishe doesn’t really help your case. I hope you don’t still spell “jail” “gaol”.

You’ve revealed your bias and agenda by focusing on sugar to the exclusion of all else that was rationed, making your comment a good example of what I call the missing factors fallacy, more commonly known as the fallacy of the single cause.

In addition to sugar, common foodstuffs of many types were rationed in the UK during WWII, including butter, margarine, meat, bacon, cheese, tea, cooking fats and eggs.

…but rationing improved the health of British people; infant mortality declined and life expectancy rose, excluding deaths caused by hostilities.

It’s probably not so much what we eat that leads to obesity as it is how much we eat.

Quantity really does have a quality all its own.

Eat sparingly for good health.

Here’s a report on real data collected from a real event: exposure of UK population to sugar during WW II rationing vs. post-war . Apparently sugar consumption per capita doubled after rationing was abolished. A step function like that should generate a strong signal, and apparently it did. The rationed amount of sugar was within “current guidelines” of sugar exposure, so ” merely limiting to sugar to within current recommended dietary guidelines reduced diabetes risk by a staggering 35% and high blood pressure by 20%” in children brought to term while sugar was rationed.
https://armageddonprose.substack.com/p/study-confirms-the-awesome-destructive

Presumably something similar could be done for some of the Western European countries, and perhaps the US.

The comedian George Burns indulged in cigars and lived past the century mark.

Sometimes the local public library has institutional access to certain online collections, and you can get in with less effort.

Taking the title and author’s name to the reference desk and asking for an interlibrary loan can often secure a physical copy for perusal.

Thanks, Sarah. Hey, isn’t that “A-OK!” symbol some kind of “racist” thing? 🙂

I’ve had three Cardiologists and one GP tell me that starting to smoke cigars again after I quit 57 years ago is OK – actually, encouraged, for the pleasure and stress-reduction it offers, since any projected bad effects will only amount to about one week less of life for me at the far end. I’m only 85 now, and projected to live another 15 years or so, so the ‘far end’ is still ‘way out there’ for me. The same might be extrapolated on the Sausage and Salami discussion.

Sometimes, the pleasure of a small snifter of very expensive XXO Cognac and a fine cigar can remind one of what life is about.

I find that when one is young, the doctors job is to not only keep one alive, but also to increase ones lifespan. As one ages, that changes a bit, and the doctors try not so much to extend ones life as much as they try to make ones life better in the stressful mid-years. Then comes the phase when if one is older than the doctors, they almost envy one for being able to enjoy some aspects of life – pleasures – that might not look too good if they were to do it themselves! The medicine they practice then is that of making life pleasant and worthwhile, whether it’s long or short. What may have been a sin earlier, may now become righteous . . .

Those who invented cigars and alcohol eons ago knew something about life some now may not give them credit for knowing; some have always known that knowledge; others of us are just re-learning it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14060239/boycott-kelloggs-froot-loops-cancer-fears.html

My great grandpa founded Kellogg’s – I’m urging Americans to boycott Froot Loops because of toxic ingredients

Do processed meats pose an increased cancer risk (or other health problem)? As in the above post, this is a perennial claim. However, the evidence for such claims is, at best, very weak. It’s usually based upon studies of fairly poor quality usually with a variety of confounders. This is especially true of diet studies, which are often based upon self-reported data. Relying on a hundred or a thousand people to keep a journal of what they consume is dubious enough; asking them to estimate what they’ve eaten in the past weeks or months is more problematic still. And even if that data were 100% accurate (and you can rest assured it’s not)…

Even if it could be shown that (say) eating salami, hot dogs and bacon increases one’s chances of a certain type of cancer by 10%, that risk is much diluted. Here are but a few reasons:

The increased risk claim needs to be considered from the overall perspective: what are the chances of illness or dying of various causes? In the first place, the majority of deaths are various forms of “heart� disease, which you’ll note have nothing to do with cancer. Yes, cancer is a leading cause of death, 2nd or 3rd usually, but even here nuance is called for. A specific type of cancer (say, stomach or bowel) represents only a fraction of all types of cancer. And finally is the simple case of absolute risk: until you are extremely old, your chances of dying in any given year are actually pretty small. Even a change to that base rate of a few percent will have a modest effect on your life expectancy.

So eat all the salami, bacon and processed meats you want. If you want to improve your health, there are far more powerful changes you can make, like quitting smoking, and cutting way back on the sugar and junk carbs.

In 1968 Thomas Cleave published Diabetes, Coronary Thrombosis and the Saccharine Disease.
What is odd is I can’t find that version anywhere (he published a similar book in 1974).

If you are still looking for this book, you can view a clear, readable online copy of it here at IA:

https://archive.org/details/diabetescoronary0000tlcl/page/n3/mode/2up

The catch? There are two:

1) IA has been having site problems as of late, so it may take more than one attempt to load the page.

2) You’ll also need to sign in to view the digital pages. Because of the site problems, your best bet is to ask a chum if you can borrow his/her login rather than creating a new account.

If you cannot do the above, you may (subject to the site problems) be able to open a new account to “check out” the book via digital lending. The good news is even the disposable email sites that generate an address meant to last only a few minutes (e.g. 10-Minute Mail) will suffice to allow you to register with IA. Just click on the “confirm your email” link they send you and your account should be ready to go.

(I’m not sure whether I am allowed to post a link to Anna’s Archive [which does not directly host anything], so I will not take that chance. However, AA links to most everything IA has, so it may be worth a look there as well.)

“The surrounding group of savages offered no very attractive spectacle to a civilized eye. Some were cracking the huge thigh-bones and devouring the marrow within; others were cutting away pieces of the liver and other approved morsels, and swallowing them on the spot with the appetite of wolves. The faces of most of them, besmeared with blood from ear to ear, looked grim and horrible enough. My friend the White Shield proffered me a marrow bone, so skillfully laid open that all the rich substance within was exposed to view at once. Another Indian held out a large piece of the delicate lining of the paunch; but these courteous offerings I begged leave to decline. I noticed one little boy who was very busy with his knife about the jaws and throat of the buffalo, from which he extracted some morsel of peculiar delicacy. It is but fair to say that only certain parts of the animal are considered eligible in these extempore banquets. The Indians would look with abhorrence on anyone who should partake indiscriminately of the newly killed carcass.�
Francis Parkman, The Oregon Trail.

The organ meats and marrow are much higher in fat. During the winters they would have survived on dried meat (pemmican).

Good comment.

True enough, but this was a different kind of fat than what we see in animals stuffed with high-grain diets. One of the reasons, the US cavalry could not keep up with Indian ponies, was the difference in diets–Indians did not feed their ponies any grain, and at the time the US cavalry was feeding theirs oats. Horses and wild ruminants did not evolve eating grain of any sort. The endurance of the cavalry equids was no match for those Indian ponies.

Sausage and salami are processed meats that have a high association with colorectal cancer for those who consume them.

People with the highest level of red meat intake had a 30% increased risk for colorectal cancer; those with the highest level of processed meat intake had a 40% increased risk.

https://keck.usc.edu/news/large-scale-study-explores-genetic-link-between-colorectal-cancer-and-meat-intake/

The strongest evidence for foods that increase the risk of bowel cancer is for processed red meats, like bacon or salami. But any meat or fish that has been altered in some way to either extend shelf life or add flavour – including curing, smoking, salting and the addition of chemicals – counts as processed.

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2024/08/01/bacon-ham-hot-dogs-salami-how-does-processed-meat-cause-cancer-and-how-much-matters/

I don’t know why people always seem to focus on the so-called Plains Indians, but I suppose it’s because they were on TV a lot riding their horses as Hollywood liked to portray Indians on horses.

At most, the Plains Indians numbered about 30-40 tribes, while estimates are that there were between 1,000 – 2,000 native tribes in N. America, and most of them never got the horse, nor did they need it to hunt buffalo and deer. Fleet of foot, native woodland tribes like the Illini were able to surround and slaughter deer and buffalo through swiftness and guile. They ate everything they could kill, including bears and cougars, amounting to dozens of species of wildlife, and in addition, most woodland tribes also cultivated the three sisters of corn, beans, and squash.

Native tribes in N. America also consumed maple syrup along with a multitude of berries and fruits like strawberries, blueberries, cranberries, raspberries, blackberries, plums, chokecherries, pawpaws, grapes, and serviceberries.

Humans are well adapted to consume, process and excrete foods with sucrose, lactose, and fructose.

NB: In English, plurals are almost always formed simply by adding “s” to the singular form of the noun.

Apostrophe-s is almost never used to form plural nouns in (good) English.

Finally have my path forward for diet! Incredibly confusing.

That’s why sausage’s and salami’s are such high value foods: they are rich in the Ten Essential Amino Acids – buried in all the stuff that most folks don’t want to know about.

Yes, Buffalo (Bison) is a fairly lean meat, but the Plains Indians would have eaten almost all parts of the animal not just the muscle meat.

“The surrounding group of savages offered no very attractive spectacle to a civilized eye. Some were cracking the huge thigh-bones and devouring the marrow within; others were cutting away pieces of the liver and other approved morsels, and swallowing them on the spot with the appetite of wolves. The faces of most of them, besmeared with blood from ear to ear, looked grim and horrible enough. My friend the White Shield proffered me a marrow bone, so skillfully laid open that all the rich substance within was exposed to view at once. Another Indian held out a large piece of the delicate lining of the paunch; but these courteous offerings I begged leave to decline. I noticed one little boy who was very busy with his knife about the jaws and throat of the buffalo, from which he extracted some morsel of peculiar delicacy. It is but fair to say that only certain parts of the animal are considered eligible in these extempore banquets. The Indians would look with abhorrence on anyone who should partake indiscriminately of the newly killed carcass.”
Francis Parkman, The Oregon Trail.

The organ meats and marrow are much higher in fat. During the winters they would have survived on dried meat (pemmican).

Though best is get away from wanting sugar or too much fruit, an item worth mention is stevia plant. If use much can have aftertaste but a pinch to replace half sugar can be useful. The extracts changed into adulerated form may not be as healthy.

Stevia extract is simply a non-nutrient that stimulates the tip of the tongue. Similarly, cellulose is a non-nutrient for humans but a chief energy source for ruminants and equids.

“The most important video of the year was filmed in 1983.� How the CIA manipulates the “free� press.

Ah, the mass media is mostly owned and run by the Jews.

I would say that the ideal human diet would probably approach what the Plains Indians ate while the Buffalo, Deer, Elk and Moose roamed freely along the Great Plains. Francis Parkman traveled the Oregon Trail in 1846 and lodged with the Dakota Indians for about a month. Here is his description of them,

That meat was a quality source of high protein with very little fat between muscle bundles. They did eat vegetation when it was in season. Their diets were seasonal: Fast (winter) and Feast (summer).

Jim Thorpe was the greatest natural athlete to ever grace the planet. No, I am not American Indian.

There seem to be several newly discovered missing links to the insulin-resistance puzzle. These involve a recently described, gradual destruction and death of cells dubbed “ferroptosis.� In ferroptosis, mitochondria are gradually damaged and disabled by lipid peroxidation of cell membranes coupled with abnormal intracellular concentrations of iron which generate reactive oxygen species (ROS).

As ferroptosis progresses, mitochondria are increasingly unable to burn sugar, so, cells increasingly ignore insulin signaling and deny unusable sugar access to the cell’s interior. This is a newly discovered form Insulin resistance. Blood levels of glucose rise and more insulin is produced, driving sugar into fat cells as triglycerides.

This is a way that insulin can increase without a corresponding increase in carbohydrate uptake.

Ferroptosis can happen through various mechanisms, but one that easily comes to mind involves the government-recommended LOW FAT DIET. When experimental subjects are switched from a high-fat diet to a low-fat diet, changes in the integrity and composition of cell membranes of red blood cells have been noticed within days. These changes in cell membranes are important, since studies on dolphins have revealed exactly how such changes lead to high glucose and high insulin. When dolphins are switched from their preferred diet of very fatty fish to a diet of low-fat fish, red blood cells become fragile, leading to liver damage. No sugar intake is involved here, since dolphins don’t consume the stuff. With just the decrease in fat consumption alone, without sugar intake, the dolphins develop metabolic syndrome, including high glucose, high insulin, etc.

The steps along the way are as follows: low levels of certain saturated fatty acids lead to fragile red blood cells. Fragile red blood cells are then engulfed by macrophages and Kupffer cells in the liver, leading to iron buildup in liver cells and the beginning of ferroptosis in the liver. This liver damage results in insulin resistance and eventually spill-over of iron to other tissues takes place, spreading ferroptosis and insulin resistance to other organs, including the pancreas..

This process appears to be episodic, as red blood cell integrity hovers around a breakpoint thanks to poor fat nutrition, but eventually metabolic syndrome, including high cholesterol, high triglycerides, high insulin, high glucose, etc, as well as fatty liver disease and cardiovascular disease result in the animals..

In a human, it’s reasonable to suppose that a similar metabolic syndrome caused by a low-fat diet would be exacerbated by modern levels of sugar intake.

Also, modern low-fat diets are especially harmful because of the switch of meat and diary production from pasturing to feedlot operations. What fat is consumed in a modern low-fat diet is already depleted of the types of essential saturated fats now discovered necessary to maintain strong cell membranes. Dolphin studies show that most of these types of saturated fats must be obtained from diet. Human epidemiological studies are also suggestive of this.

Another pathway to ferroptosis is overconsumption of high-oxalate plant foods. Microcrystals of oxalate adhere to cell membranes and even turn portions of them inside-out. Within the cell, oxalates decrease the efficiency of antioxidant enzymes such as glutathione peroxidases, thus increasing ROS and lipid peroxidation. Low-fat diets and high levels of oxalate consumption constitute a double-whammy.

If all this is true, it looks like a reasonable dietary strategy is to regularly include high-fat grass-fed diary in the diet, keep consumption of sugars to a reasonable level, and avoid a few of the extremely high sources of oxalates – spinach, chard, and beet greens as well as oversized bars of dark chocolate. Extensive tables of oxalate content of foods are available online from Harvard, University of California, and other institutions. They make following a relatively low-oxalate diet easy.

Anthony is irreverent but hits the nail on the head about Lustig and Taubes.
https://anthonycolpo.com/tag/gary-taubes/

Thanks�👌

https://cronometer.com/

Subsistence diet: I was thinking of the case where a person gets barely enough calories to support his daily needs.

Americans consume about 3,600 [Kilo]Calories daily on average. (The recommended daily is 2,000 KCal.) No, I didn’t believe it either and indeed, looked it up more than once.

Roughly 20% of that is “added” sugars. At 4 Kcal/gram, that’d be 180 g. sugar or approximately 36 teaspoons.

Of the 50% or more of diet which is carbs, nearly all (>90%) is refined junk, which for all practical purposes turn into glucose as they are quickly digested. Not quite as bad as HFCS/sucrose, but not good either.

Superman has his poison…(some say its Lois Lane) kryptonite…the male of the human species kryptonite is sugar…it really destroys manliness raising the voices range to alto… where have all the baritones gone?

My body only ever works properly when the metabolism runs on animal fat…if you do have sugar make sure it comes in natures package…slow released like in starch…its what we were made to deal with.

–just because Taubes writes for the NYT does not qualify him as an expert.

Exactly.

Nor does the cachet of being printed in the NYT prove an article’s verity.

“The most important video of the year was filmed in 1983.” How the CIA manipulates the “free” press.

https://stateofthenation.info/?p=1708

As far back as I can remember, government health experts and the media reporting their warnings had informed us that eating fatty foods was bad for your health and led to much higher risks of heart attacks, strokes, obesity, and numerous other ailments. Although I never paid a great deal of attention to such matters, I always assumed those facts were true, as did most other Americans.

The pancreas has both exocrine and endocrine functions, and this discussion revolves around pancreatic function. I didn’t take time to read the entire article, because I saw some holes in the argument–just because Taubes writes for the NYT does not qualify him as an expert. If we can just focus on the pancreas and its endocrine function (insulin and glucagon) and exocrine function (lipase for fat digestion and others for protein etc). I’ve seen a fair number of excessive fried food intake by small breed canines lead to pancreatitis. Some are fatal, and the abdominal pain pronounced. The release of pancreatic enzymes into the abdominal cavity is a disaster.

The above link to Ray Peat shows the real science. Taubes plays with the facts and is usually full of it as are all the anti- sugar guys such as Lustig.
Anthony is irreverent but hits the nail on the head about Lustig and Taubes.
https://anthonycolpo.com/tag/gary-taubes/
The modern diet has all kinds of crap that would contribute to weight gain by destroying the metabolism. The many legal and illegal drugs that people are taking also play a part.
Vegetable oils and excessive fats in the diet along with substances that interfere with digestion are more likely culprits to obesity. These include pesticides ( that are estrogen like), gums, heavy metals dyes, bleached flour, iron enriched foods) etc. Sugar plays a role when the rest of the diet is causing malnutrition. .

From Colpo:
“I’ve had a bit to say about Gary Taubes in the last few weeks. Taubes is the journalist-turned-low-carb salesman whose idea of the scientific method is to only cite studies that seemingly support his thesis and blatantly ignore those that completely refute it.

Another notorious Taubes tactic, one in which he used to burst into the public consciousness back in 2002 in a duplicitous New York Times article, is to interview scientists and either quote them out of context or, if they fail to furnish a misquotable quote, simply ignore everything they told you.

Gary has become a very wealthy man as a result of this dubious carry on.”

Health-conscious Sweden had originally developed the Food Pyramid in 1972 and it was soon promoted in America

Americans when talking about other countries. If someone in Sweden does something, then it’s “Sweden.” So we should also say that “Americans” wear pussy hats? No, then it’s suddenly “some” people.

Inflation in the 1970s caused food prices to rice. Kooperative Förbundet, a “consumer cooperative” and owner of the Konsum chain of grocery stores, then invented the “food pyramid” to make people eat cheaper food. That is why the pyramid’s broad base consisted of bread, pasta, cereals and rice. With the only common theme that they are cheap carbs. The food pyramid was drawn by Anna-Britt Agnsäter, head of Konsum’s test kitchen.

Why did they do this? Because Kooperativa Förbundet was closely linked to the Social Democrats. The socialists wanted to manipulate the rubes into eating worse but cheaper food, and their allies obeyed. Lower food costs for the rubes meant they’d think the economy was doing better and the socialists could win more elections, putting more of their operatives in the well-paid parliament seats.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kooperativa_F%C3%B6rbundet

“Kooperative Förbundet had a close link to the Social Democrats where Per Albin Hansson, Tage Erlander and Olof Palme [three socialist prime ministers] participated as speakers at KF conferences.”

Today, we’re being told that sugar (sucrose) is the most deadly thing for our cardiovascular health and that it is a major contributor to obesity, cancer, and heart attacks. In the 1950’s, everyone added sugar (sucrose) to their coffee or tea, young people drank copious amounts of soft drinks, ate ice cream like it was going out of style and consumed lots of candies and chocolate, and yet they were slim. Adults were slim, an obese person was a rarity. Sucrose was the only sweetener used in large amounts.

People were much more physically active at that time and before. Video games, talking heads on TV, social media…….. and no physical education in schools now. Sucrose is in everything, but I am not defending corn syrup. Late onset diabetes (Type II) is mainly in adults. “Type 2 diabetes used to be known as adult-onset diabetes, but both type 1 and type 2 diabetes can begin during childhood and adulthood. Type 2 is more common in older adults. But the increase in the number of children with obesity has led to more cases of type 2 diabetes in younger people.” (Mayo Clinic). Diabetes is a chronic, progressive, disease that accelerates almost all other diseases. Aspertame is a non-nutrient. We use mostly Stevia as a sweetner–another non-nutrient from a plant. (cellulose is also a non-nutrient for humans, but an energy source for ruminants, and equids).

Statistics show that fat people amount to 40% or more of the market, so I’m not so sure that really qualifies as “niche� as you claim

Your own statistics demonstrate that less than 25% of soda drinkers are diet soda consumers, and they make up only a minority percentage of total Americans who drink soda on a regular, large quantity basis. Most fat people are not regularly consuming “diet” products. Your theory that aspartame is the origin of the obesity epidemic is eccentric and totally unsupported by the evidence.

This is another game changer that I could not get the path forward on until this article. Again it is the opposite of most and is the diet I am doing. Thank you!

The reason for obsessive easting isn’t stomach-hunger or true hunger. It’s ‘mouth-hunger’, the sheer pleasure of…
It’s more like ‘yumger’.

It’s like drinking. There is drinking to quench thirst…
But other people want to keep drinking even if they’re not thirsty cuz they just love the sensation…

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there’s something about food and carbohydrates i just became aware of and would like to share here. has anyone heard of “resistant starch”? apparently if you take starchy foods like potatoes and rice, cook them as you would normally in the oven or stove top, then cool them for a couple days in the fridge the carbs in the starch become changed in a way that makes them more nutritious. when consumed in this manner, these foods aren’t so high on the glycemic index so become less likely to cause problems like metabolic syndrome and such.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/what-to-know-resistant-starches

i have been unknowingly doing this for a few years now, making big pots of steamed quinoa and boiled steel cuts oats. after cooking i’d put them in containers in the fridge and have some each morning. the batches i make last all week. just take a little of each out of the fridge, put it in a bowl, nuke it, add nuts (soak your nuts before eating them people!), raisins, and cinnamon. best of all it’s super cheap probably a buck for each daily serving.

never heard of it but TJ’s sells those in my area for $1.49 can’t beat that price. i eat them for supper with a big garden salad.

Meat diet keeps you slim.

People are promoting a sardine only diet for 72 hours, supposedly kick starts ketosis.

well i guess it’s safe to drink then! as our jewish friends say,

“Enjoy!”

Though best is get away from wanting sugar or too much fruit, an item worth mention is stevia plant. If use much can have aftertaste but a pinch to replace half sugar can be useful. The extracts changed into adulerated form may not be as healthy.

A point is also corporations monopolizing food. Can search background of stebia on that.

“Forego” and “forgo” are alternative and equally valid spellings – English is an irregular language.

forego
2 of 2
verb (2)
fore·​go
less common spelling of FORGO
transitive verb
1
: to give up the enjoyment or advantage of : do without
never forwent an opportunity of honest profit
—R. L. Stevenson
decided to forgo dessert for a few days
2
archaic : FORSAKE

– – Merriam-Webster Dictionary

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forego

I tried it with human hair and nail clippings, as I didn’t have any humn teeth or bones handy. After 48 hours, they’re still there. Nothing dissolved.

Almost all of the products containing aspartame are, like diet soda, specifically marketed to a niche demographic as “diet� or “low-calorie.�

Statistics show that fat people amount to 40% or more of the market, so I’m not so sure that really qualifies as “niche” as you claim, and I’ll argue it’s not far fetched to assume fat people readily reach for items marked “light,” “diet,” “sugar free,” and so on, and of course it’s not only the 40% obese who are concerned about their weight, but also those who are trying to prevent moving into that category by grabbing everything they can that seems to promote fitness & weight loss, especially if all you have to do is eat it or drink it.

But that’s been the power of advertising, especially color TV advertising, which is far more expensive than all the other forms of media advertising, but well worth it.

You wrote:

Your mind fixates on weird matters.

It’s weird only to those whose knowledge of personal hygiene is poor, and whose use of language is imprecise and sloppy.

Thus we can be certain that consumption of Aspartame is not limited only to those Americans consuming diet soft drinks, but also occurs when Americans use or eat other consumables and consumer products containing the chemical.

Almost all of the products containing aspartame are, like diet soda, specifically marketed to a niche demographic as “diet” or “low-calorie.” Name one product consumed regularly by Americans en masse that contains aspartame. You can’t. Sugar, on the other hand, is in everything.

I really wish I hadn’t read the rest of your comment. Your mind fixates on weird matters.

There’s some evidence artificial sweeteners might act like sugar in stimulating insulin release, effectively by tricking the body into thinking it’s ingesting the real thing:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7014832/

But most of the research on the health effects of artificial sweeteners seems to be ambiguous & preliminary. And it seems to assume that one must be consuming gallons of the stuff daily, which I suspect is not the case with the typical diet soda drinker.

Unfortunately, many of the conspiratorial-minded view aspartame and the like as somewhat similar to 5G: a vague, sinister threat that they don’t bother to understand.

you will find that the pharmaceuticals were taken over a long time ago by an agenda that is not looking out after your health. To the contrary, they are wolves in sheep’s clothing, promoting mental and physical sickness and disease.

Metformin has been around since the late 1950s, and is the most prescribed drug on the market. Fortunately, for you and the rest of us, no one is forcing us to take any medication–it is really that simple–don’t buy their products. Some work well, others somewhat in certain populations, and all of them have side-effects. To date, I find nothing is 100% risk free, including life itself.

The problem isn’t the seed oil per se but the manner in which it is processed.

In contrast, coconut oil undergoes far less processing and is more natural, more directly extracted from the source.

Fruit from CA is nearly tasteless. At least a dozen of CA wineries are contaminated with arsenic (level 1 carcinogen) that shows up in their wines at levels exceeding FDA requirements. However, alcohol itself, is the #1 drug problem in the world. ETOH is actually a mycotoxin.

The article cited is not new information.

J I Rodale, the founder of Prevention Magazine in the 1950s, established the facts on adverse effects of sugar consumption in the late 50s/early 60s. He referred to it as the bane of human health. Metformin, a drug used to help stabilize blood glucose was invented in the late 1950s, and is now the #1 prescription drug in the US.

Fat reserves function like an independent organ, and like any other organ they defend their position. Adipose tissue communicates through hormone signals with other organs throughout the body, as well as with your central nervous system, to regulate your metabolism.

Our ancestors did eat fat, but less than you might think, because wild animals generally had low fat reserves especially in colder climate. If you have ever consumed venison, or dressed one out, there is very little fat between muscle layers and the fat that rests mostly in the abdomen, is not particularly palatable–we don’t like it. Beef is well-marbled with fat between muscle bundles and is very tasty–eat a nice ribeye with the fat–nothing better.

Generally, all foods in moderation, but little or no sucrose.

I love whole fat plain yogurt with a bit of sugar stirred in. Delicious and filling. Resolves any digestive issues I may be having.

have a 48 hr fast and don’t ever drink coke again. you won’t regret it.

Wrong, your sites IDF stories keep cutting out, unit 8200 is committing a dos attack right now me thinks!!

With way back machine etc being neutered as well, something big is about to drop.

And to prove sugar is the worst, look at every major port in N America , and the best spot is always reserved for the Sugar companies.

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If it has n0 calories it can’t make you fat. What can be true is that fat people will, in addition to consuming too many calories in excess of burning them up, also consume foods that contain sugar free sweeteners to cut down 0n the number of calories. Like diet sodas. But since they’re also consuming too many calories, from foods that don’t substitute non caloric sweeteners, they’re still fat and people then make a correlation that fat people consume aspartame therefore aspartame must be contributing to their being fat. It’s absurd. It also can be the case that foods such as desserts using sugar substitutes, don’t satisfy the craving for sweets though people will eat them to control their caloric intake, but because their sweet craving has not been satisfied with the fake sweet dessert, will sooner or later “break their diet” and consume real sugary desserts too.

Makes you burp; nothing like a good burp to aid digestion, relieves any bloated feeling after a meal. Refreshes, quenches thirst when drunk cold. Probably kills bad microbes in the gut too. But, ironically as it’s so ubiquitous throughout most of the world, it must be drunk cold to taste good and really be enjoyed.

Work on your insults, you pansy asslicking eunuch.

YOU sound like your mommy still changes your diapers.

F-0ff, Pee Wee.

An exhaustive listing of some of the health benefits of drinking Deuterium Depleted Water. (DDW)

(Introduction)
“This review article presents data about the influence of deuterium-depleted water (DDW) on biological systems. It is known that the isotope abundances of natural and bottled waters are variable worldwide. That is why different drinking rations lead to changes of stable isotopes content in body water fluxes in human and animal organisms. Also, intracellular water isotope ratios in living systems depends on metabolic activity and food consumption. We found the 2H/1H gradient in human fluids (δ2H saliva >> δ2H blood plasma > δ2Hbreast milk), which decreases significantly during DDW intake. Moreover, DDW induces several important biological effects in organism (antioxidant, metabolic detoxification, anticancer, rejuvenation, behavior, etc.). Changing the isotope 2H/1H gradient from “2H blood plasma > δ2H visceral organsâ€� to “δ2H blood plasma << δ2H visceral organsâ€� via DDW drinking increases individual adaptation by isotopic shock. The other possible mechanisms of long-term adaptation is DDW influence on the growth rate of cells, enzyme activity and cellular energetics (e.g., stimulation of the mitochondrion activity). In addition, DDW reduces the number of single-stranded DNA breaks and modifies the miRNA profile."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6723318/

Since artificial sweeteners contain no calories, they are unlikely to contribute much to the problem. While there’s evidence they can stimulate cravings that lead to more eating, your own statistics have demonstrated that Americans don’t consume them in large enough quantities for that to be a significant factor.

Current estimates indicate that diet soft drinks constitute about 28% of total soft drink production, while adult obesity rates hover around 40%, so on the surface at least your counterargument might seem to have merit, but let’s not forget that the soft drink industry is not alone in its use of Aspartame.

Aspartame is an artificial (chemical) sweetener widely used in various food and beverage products since the 1980s, including diet drinks, chewing gum, gelatin, ice cream, dairy products such as yogurt, breakfast cereal, toothpaste and medications such as cough drops and chewable vitamins.

— WHO

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-07-2023-aspartame-hazard-and-risk-assessment-results-released

Thus we can be certain that consumption of Aspartame is not limited only to those Americans consuming diet soft drinks, but also occurs when Americans use or eat other consumables and consumer products containing the chemical.

Aspartame not only increases appetite by suppressing the satiety signal, it also causes drastic changes in the gut microbiota by promoting the growth of harmful bacteria, which are known to cause intestinal inflammation, at the expense of the beneficial bacteria that we need to digest our food properly and maintain good health.

The gut microbiota is essential in maintaining normal gut physiology and health. Therefore, its disruption in humans is often associated with various pathological conditions. Different factors can influence the composition and function of the gut microbiota, including host genetics, age, antibiotic treatments, environment, and diet. The diet has a marked effect, impacting the gut microbiota composition, beneficially or detrimentally, by altering some bacterial species and adjusting the metabolites produced in the gut environment.
[…]
Increasing inflammation in the gut could contribute to various diseases such as IBD. The immune function of the host could also be modulated by the ability of NNS [non-nutriant sweetener] to reduce the abundance of some beneficial gut bacteria, such as Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus, or to increase the abundance of pathogenic bacteria, such as Clostridium difficile and E. coli, which can cause infections and inflammation in the gut. NNS can also alter the expression of genes involved in bacterial metabolism, altering the composition and function of the gut microbial community. They were also reported to be able to affect the release of gut hormones and neurotransmitters, influencing gut motility, nutrient absorption, and the composition of the gut microbiome, thus inducing alterations in glucose metabolism. Some studies suggested that NNS can induce gut dysbiosis and inflammation by increasing levels of bile acids

— “Effect of Non-Nutritive Sweeteners on the Gut Microbiota”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10144565/

Unfortunately, that’s not the end of it. No bun intended.

Imagine if there were a way for the harmful gut bacteria of a Diet Coke drinker to somehow migrate to the intestines of someone who doesn’t drink the stuff.

“No way” you might say, but yep, there is a way, and we can thank curse the Fecal Fingers of Filth for that sad fact.

Statistics vary, but some surveys and studies indicate only about 20% of people using the bathroom wash their hands properly when done, even after taking a dump. 15% of men and 7% of women are said to never wash their hands after using the toilet.

I suppose this material into the category of Those Things We’d Rather Not Know, but knowledge is power, if you know how to use it.

It reminds me of that old joke about one hillbilly trying to sell a mule to another hillbilly.

I think that one of the reasons of why people in America are gaining weight so easy is cooking. I find cooking food one of the most exhausting activities, but low-carb, low calorie and healthy foods like chicken, meat, vegetables, eggs require cooking because you cannot eat raw chicken, meat vegetables and fish. While foods that don’t require cooking time and physical labor at the kitchen like sandwiches, breakfast cereals, cookies, fast foods do not require physical hard labor at the kitchen.

I cook all my food, i follow a low-carb diet, and that’s why i spend so much effort and time at the kitchen because this type of eating requires a lot of cooking work and most people who work 8 hours a day or more are not able to spend so much time and physical labor in the kitchen cooking their low carb healthy meals.

The american capitalist system like you said it is some how part of the puzzle, it is one of the main reasons of why people are fat, the system forces people to work all day to pay bills, which makes americans too tired to spend some time and energies preparing healthy low carb meals

There are many other causes of weight gain like boredom, stress, the system itself forces people to work a lot, and working a lot causes stress, pain and boredom which in turn leads to a need to over eat. Most people are not aware that time is relative, that time passes very slow when you are doing unpleasant activites and working is not too pleasant, maybe the boredom, the time passing too slow from doing activitities that are too repeitive is another factor of why people develop a rut a boredom which in turn leads people to snack and overeat to kill that boredom.

The whole system must be destroyed and replaced by a brand new system and new way of life in USA with less work, less boredom and more pleasures for the masses. This is the real solution for weight loss

Something has to give !!!

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I guess you are lucky. But note that pretty much everybody, including high-protein health nuts, still tend to get the largest portion of their calories from carbs (vs. either protein, or fats). But yet still, I think it is like this: Too much carb intake, relative to fat and protein, among other issues, can help make one skinny-fat, which happened to me for part of my mid-life (not a good look) until I decided I needed to address the unhealthy body contour, mainly for heath-reasons, and started that process by going to the gym, almost 20 years ago now (I’m 65 now), to lift weights, to try and put on some more muscle on upper back/shoulders/chest/arms as well as bigger legs and stronger abs, … and one thing leads to another, and one soon finds out that success with respect to adding a bit of muscle, to address the unhealthy body contour, is contingent on a very high intake of protein, as much as a gram per pound of body weight daily, (which of course tends to come with fat), which does work, as long as you keep stress to a minimum otherwise, and get plenty of sleep and drink gallons of water and do not drink alcohol (which seems like a toxin, to me).

OK, …. I gained that bit of muscle and after a few years of weightlifting, was satisfied with the amount, but still had size 34 cargo shorts, (too much still, … virtually unchanged) though with a bigger upper body and legs, otherwise, and much stronger overall. Mmmm. What to do? I switched to cardio. I went crazy (I have a competitive streak, … it runs in the family, and we know we are nuts that way, but some of us still do it because it is so fun, …. that’s the point of competition, … to have fun so you will keep doing the activity). I went to Orange Theory Fitness and fell in love (well it’s love/hate actually) with high intensity interval training. Guess what? 3 years of that. Resting heart rate went down to about 46, with max at at least 180 (probably 190) with blood pressure now normalized at about 110/70 on average, however if I measure it after being on the bike for an hour, it will be about 100/65. But still size 34 fat (even though I was winning many of the competitions at the HIIT gym even among the younger guys, … I was a pretty high-watt rower too [830 watt pulls], maybe the highest in the whole gym, and maxed out the treadmill for the short 15 second highest intensity spurts, maximum mph and maximum slope).

OK, I dropped Orange Theory Fitness and for the last 5 years, mainly just ride the bike, even all winter long, and do some milder HIIT intervals, on the bike, as I ride somewhere (sometimes I still go to river valley trails to run uphill HIIT sprints, and also there is a local park I can go to, to manhandle the giant heavy tire flipping thing … my thing is to go for 100 flips per session, … which you are going to feel afterwards, which I like that sensation of appropriately sore muscles after a work out). Then last summer (2023) I did a whole bunch of very heavy lifting at a local farm (acquiring some building materials), that went on for some months, which worked the upper body again, and since I had reduced overall calories since nearly 20 years ago whilst trying to gain muscle, at probably 3500 calories per day back then, but still maintained the protein intake at about 120 grams per day throughout, I was naturally eating a who lot less carbs on purpose (like the sandwich is quadruple-sized meat and cheese filling, vs. normal sandwich, type thing), which probably comes out now at about 2500 to 2700 calories per day (depending on how much exercise). And since 2023 I have size 30 cargo shorts (4 belt loops difference which is a huge difference), and it happened over less than a year

I am 5’8″ now at 162 lbs, for more than a year now. I think having fairly low body fat, as an older guy (say 15%) is probably a healthy target, and most older guys have much more body fat than that. That can cause many metabolic issues that just become more apparent as one ages. All this re body fat percentages is quite different, health-wise, for women (women naturally have much more body fat, in healthy form).

I have suffered from over active mast cell system, all my life. This made me very sick by mid-life, before I finally found a drug regime that worked. Such non-optimal metabolism can damage all the various body systems. Then you start to see things like an unhealthy skinny-fat body contour emerge (that many many people suffer form, I notice), among a whole host of other subtle health issues. These are signs that you must change something if you want to continue to live.

I am glad to hear you are one of the lucky ones that seemed to have good health all the way through. You are lucky and blessed, I suppose. I am happy to know that is the case. I prefer success stories. You may possess some protective genes, metabolism-wise. At your age you need to have your heart checked. By the looks of you, the heart health is probably fine, but you need to check. I suppose you are a very rich guy and so ensure you get very good advise, on health, and already know all about the risks, and risk-mitigation, for yours (and my) age group, though (despite not knowing that too many carbs tend to be bad for many many people, but apparently, not all people, …. I have a niece that has done very well on a vegan diet her whole life, … and that is just gonna end up being mostly subpar protein-intake-wise, …. but she never tasked herself with a very substantial muscle growth, all round, … women don’t tend to do that because it is much harder for them to achieve good results, even when in optimum health …. testosterone is a huge deal with respect to muscle growth). But the one thing that I noticed about women in motion vs, men in motion, at Orange Theory Fitness, was that men’s superior muscle-ship shows up as enhanced performance vs. women, at all nodes of exercise, except ones that feature hinge movements (like stair-climbing and some floor exercises) where men’s normal superior performance, on average, is a bit muted, for these exercises. This makes women, less bad, on the rowing machine, as well. Also, women’s peak performance is quite flat vs. men, yet they seem to be able to maintain effort close to the peak performance level, longer than men, with less stress apparent. All very interesting.

I guess the one takeaway from my anecdotal observations: Men tend to need more protein in their diet, vs. women, for optimum health. Add protein and re-normalize calorie intake, by reducing carbs, but don’t avoid carbs (many carbs, like vegetables, are micro-nutrient dense). Avoid overly sugary carbs. To satisfy sweet-tooth, give in a bit (if you have to) only after a full protein-dense meal, as desert. The one thing you should really try to avoid, is the blood sugar roller-coaster, which can come about, more-s0 as one ages too, by eating highly-sugary carbs on an empty stomach. Don’t do that.

You sound like your mom still cooks for you.

No. People in Indonesia who eat wild fish are the hardest to control, while those who eat raising pond fish are the easiest to control. People who eat running animals are harder to control, people who eat factory-raised animals are easiest to control. People who eat family farm vegetables, no matter the species, are harder to control, people who eat vegetables grown in Californian conditions are the easiest to control. Hence why the only vegetables available in supermarkets are from the Gran Valle at a grand price too, while there are so many family farmers who would like to sell at such prices dreaming of growing rich accordingly, but are systematically refused access to the supply chains. Note that California’s climate is generally not better than any other state to get hold of vegetables in a given season. Lettuce has no affinity with California : it grows far better on the East coast.

If it were still cocaine based and far less sugary I would drink a lot of it. But that was before the Great Prohibition.

Donald Rumsfeld’s Aspertame.
Look in how many products it is.
Nowdays thay can just call it “sugar” on any product.

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To begin with, there is no Taubes hypothesis, Taubes simply revived the long-standing low-carb idea. And as others have mentioned, this hypothesis has been debunked long ago as the healthiest people in the world are mostly high-carb.

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If Japanese as a group are the longest-lived, one factor might be their consumption of seaweed, a good source of Iodine.

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Is fretting over sugar the new AIDS? It sounds supergay.

Jordan Peterson discussed his dramatic weight loss when he switched over to only eating steaks.

Yeah, and he seems really enthusiastic about it:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XeidCkqQ9DE

Jordan Peterson is clearly a mentally ill person and one shouldn’t take advice from him about anything, particularly something as crucial as diet.

…he might seem, but for his face, the Pythian Apollo himself. â€�
Francis Parkman, The Oregon Trail.

Francis Parkman was widely mocked at the time of his writings, by Herman Melville among many others, for his overly-romanticized depictions of Indians. Contemporary photographs by the likes of Edward Curtis show them to be not very physically prepossessing specimens. By the time they reached middle age they looked not too dissimilar from homeless people.

STRONG MEDICINE by Blake F. Donaldson is available free online PDF.

He was prescribing the Keto Diet in the 20’s; published his book in 1960?

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Ron

Having interest in evolutionary psychology I focused on the Fight or Flight emotional response which involves the adrenal glands. One of the best books back in the day of the 70’s was Nutrition and Your Mind by Dr. George Watson.

Whether you are a slow oxidizer or a fast oxidizer type makes a big difference as to how sugar affects your Fight of Flight emotional response.

The pharmaceuticals were pushing drugs to cover up the symptoms of adrenal exhaustion and its related anxiety, especially for the fast oxidizer type. They knew about the effects of sugar on the adrenal glands and that was their big secret. My investigations showed that the big money of pharmaceuticals was funding the universities and the medical profession to keep their drugs in demand while keeping the lid on the effects of sugar.

Ron, as you expand your research and investigations into other areas, especially medicine and science, you will find that the pharmaceuticals were taken over a long time ago by an agenda that is not looking out after your health. To the contrary, they are wolves in sheep’s clothing, promoting mental and physical sickness and disease. If you stay open and interested you will learn much.

The thing about oxalates is that they can be harmful when eaten in isolation, but the harm is mitigated when paired with a food that contains nutrients that bind oxalates in the digestive tract. Throw in some cheese and you’re fine.

Case of dose makes the poison.

Every American has access to unlimited amounts of cheap, pre-digested calorie bombs at all times. The result is as it is.

I believe it is more complicated than this though. Most people assume that a calorie is a calorie, and it does not matter where your calories come from, if you want to lose weight you need to burn more calories than you consume. When people say they want to lose weight what they mean is that they want to lose visceral fat. You can lose weight by losing bone mineral density and by losing muscle mass, but people rarely want to do this. It is the visceral fat that is unhealthy, inflammatory, and contributes to insulin resistance. All calories and foods do not contribute equally to visceral fat.

Stearic acid (C18:0) a long chain dietary saturated fatty acid, which is common in red meat, has been shown to reduce visceral fat, while other fats, like linoleic acid, contribute to it.

“Athymic nude mice, which are used in models of human breast cancer metastasis, were fed a stearic acid, linoleic acid (safflower oil), or oleic acid (corn oil) enriched diet or a low fat diet ad libitum. Total body weight did not differ significantly between dietary groups over the course of the experiment. However visceral fat was reduced by ∼70% in the stearic acid fed group compared to other diet.”
Dietary Stearic Acid Leads to a Reduction of Visceral Adipose Tissue in Athymic Nude Mice

Jordan Peterson discussed his dramatic weight loss when he switched over to only eating steaks. He had weighed 212 pounds and over the course of 7 months he lost 50 pounds and was down to 162 pounds. He mentioned that he had given up eating sugar and desserts the year prior, but his weight didn’t budge at all. This suggests that there is something in red meat that contributes to the loss of visceral fat.

The diet of the Plains Indians consisted almost entirely of ruminant meat. Were they obese and stricken with diabetes like modern Americans? Nope.

“…I do not exaggerate when I say that only on the prairie and in the Vatican have I seen such faultless models of the human figure. See that warrior standing by the tree, towering six feet and a half in stature. Your eyes may trace the whole of his graceful and majestic height, and discover no defect or blemish. With his free and noble attitude, with the bow in his hand, and the quiver at his back, he might seem, but for his face, the Pythian Apollo himself. ”
Francis Parkman, The Oregon Trail.

Give them raw roots, tubers, undercooked meat from an old milk cow, and stale, rye bread and they will lose weight like crazy. No exception.

Give them the diet of the Plains Indians and they will lose weight, no exceptions. The difference is that with the Plains Indians diet you won’t lose muscle mass or bone density, and you don’t have to starve yourself.

The recording of one conversation with Mannerheim was totally accidental. A Finnish radio engineer had been on hand to record some public statements which Hitler and Mannerheim were making for broadcasts. The engineer left the recording on (supposedly by accident) and it picked up 11 minutes of conversation between Hitler and Mannerheim before it was shut off. This is the only known example of a recorded statement by Hitler where he was not knowingly speaking to a larger audience than just one person (Mannerheim). In general, Hitler did not like to be recorded if he was not prepared to speak with the public eye as his intentional target.

As for the Table Talk, the records of that were made by Martin Bormann, Heinrich Heim and Henry Picker. It would be absurd to associate any of these people with the Anti-Defamation League. A more complicated issue may be in the bureaucratic turf-wars which happen in state machinery. Within a state machine like the Third Reich there are often rivalries going on which can seem undecipherable from the point of view of outsiders looking at the events decades later. This doesn’t mean that someone like Henry Picker would have tried to take things down with the aim of helping the ADL. But one can always speculate that some things may have been emphasized by choice of quotation which reflect some odd preference that might seem meaningless to us today.

One thing that is sometimes brought in discussions about the Table Talk is the view of Christianity. That view, as expressed in the Table Talk, is fully consistent with every other known statement by Hitler.

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So it’s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble.
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— Hitler’s Table Talk, October 14, 1941.

There’s no inconsistency between this and other statements made by Hitler. Hitler always regarded Christianity with suspicion but realized that many people found it appealing. He aimed to see Christian influence gradually chopped away but understood the need to appeal to Christian audiences in the short term.

I was not referring to people outside America. Since you hate whites so much, why don’t you willfully separate from us? Ships and planes travel to Africa every day. And, your race here which is too dim to try to understand a little about nutrition and maintaining good health, is full of obese and overweight people. Of course, 160 years after slavery, we still have to prop you people up!

Hi, Rich23. Thanks! For an example, look at the soldiers in WWII, both allies and Germans. Not a lot of fatties and diabetics there! Lots of booze (liquid sugar), bread, potatoes + of course protein foods.

Fatties may have been few because soldiers obtaining any food at all depended on where they served, what they were given, and how frequently they got it. Axis and Allied soldier alike often went hungry, even if their officers gave bland assurances to any anxious civilian mother who asked whether her boy was getting enough to eat

(Adequate rations, let alone plentiful ones, were far more often a matter of dumb luck than reading the official histories would have you believe.)

Look up the story behind the American K-ration sometime. It is a tale of how even a well-supplied military can still end up systematically starving the soldiers whom they are supposed to be feeding through a series of assumptions, miscalculations, and rank carelessness.

US Overall Obesity National Ranking:

Why is it you responded to my comment to Ron Unz, again?

Our Operating System forces us to eat the easiest digestible, tastiest and most energy dense food. Every American has access to unlimited amounts of cheap, pre-digested calorie bombs at all times. The result is as it is.

Give them raw roots, tubers, undercooked meat from an old milk cow, and stale, rye bread and they will lose weight like crazy. No exception.

This is not rocket science, people 🙂

The advent of diet recommendations and a reduction in the intake of saturated fats were not the only changes in the diets of Americans. The food people eat tends to get ever tastier, calorie-dense and easier to digest, i.a. ultraprocessed. The sooner a meal disappears from the gut, the sooner we get hungry again. Traditional food has some structure which makes it hard to digest. especially beef, raw vegetables.

Gary Taubes had an organization funding research to prove that his idea was right, the NUSI (Nutrition Science Initiative). It funded several studies but failed to prove anything and got disbanded. I still love to listen to Gary but the idea that fat and protein are better for weight loss because of insulin etc. seems erroneous.

The insulin-carbohydrate explanation of obesity epidemic is attractive because it is simple like E=mc2. However, there is no actual evidence proving it is THE explanation. No larger studies on humans showed that eating fat rather than carbs leads to faster and greater weight loss. Or that it is easier to stay of low-carb diet.

Myself, I was a fan of Taubes and I admit he was very convincing to me. He is a great guy, solid thinker and a captivating writer. But the current thinking goes in the direction of the importance of the physical quality of food: how easily our teeth and gut can release the calories from the chunks we swallow. This and calorie density: how much we need to eat to get the 2500 calories a day we need.

Ever since the rise of youth culture and Rock n Roll, excessive behavior has been not only tolerated but encouraged. So, Rock stars and their fans being excessive in their mania is ‘cool’. Outrageous behavior is ‘cool’.

The oft-used term is ‘liberation’. Liberation from just about everything that inhibits behavior. We see this in sex as well in food. Gluttony and sluttony. Eat like a pig and feel no shame. F*** like a pig and promote it as ’empowerment’, or ‘slut pride’

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Music videos are often quasi-pornographic with excessive sexuality thrown at your face. Often fat butts ‘twerking’ in front of the camera and the lyrics are raunchy about &*(^$(#$#!
In this culture where uninhibited behavior is tops, the thing is to do whatever feels good in the moment. For the masses, pigging out is the easily affordable vice(now deemed as ‘virtue’ in our inverted world).

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I once read an article that there was a time when Brits dared not eat in public. No matter how hungry you were, you waited until you arrived at home or a restaurant. You didn’t eat walking around, but young Brits today laugh at the notion.

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