with today’s Texas A and M event and Spencer, I am curious what folks think and feel about how Spencer handled himself. CNN I think it was, said only about a dozen in the audience were pro Spencer.

In the few sound bites, I heard him say some not bad things, and I heard him say some things that were weird , like evading answering the “racist” word by fancy footwork. He should just have said, that racialism is the preferred word….that it denotes racial differences, and does not necessarily entail emotional responses. Period.

Then he seemed delighted by the uproar, which is juvenile. A straight face is what is appropriate, grown-up, and sober. He lacks the grown-up part.

Another gal kept badgering him on whether he thinks he is better than her (Asian?). The correct answer would have been to point out that getting personal is not useful, but does he think the White race is better than other races? Of course. Then he could tick off White accomplishment and so on. If she Was Asian, ask her if they ever invented free speech, etc.

since I do not know from what I saw, what he exactly said…maybe there was something good there. But Daily Stormer stated that Spencer was advancing the cause of Nazism. Great Stuff. Springtime for Hitler.

The whole thing I find unsavory. The test of any action is whether it advances the cause. I doubt that Spencer advances anything for Whites.

Joe Webb

Jeez. Thanks for the post. The Spectator piece is essential reading.

As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.

This does suggest the sort of psychopathic behavior that Joe Webb alludes to above.

Typos: …my humor did not come across *too* well. & This *is* how I attempted to subtly inject some humor…

To continue the British theme… there is a piece in the Spectator about Richard Spencer, which also briefly mentions Mr. Unz, but they misspelled his name ‘Uns,’ which I found curious and amusing for some reason, so I wanted to share it here:

Let’s start at the beginning. After I ‘sold’ the American Conservative magazine to a man called Uns for one dollar — I have kept the cheque and will cash it only if in terrible need — I invited Richard Spencer to visit me in my New York house where I offered him the job of running my website, Takimag. (He had worked at the magazine but been laid off.) Richard was well-read, a bit vague, nice-looking, well-dressed and well-spoken. Things were hunky-dory until he asked me where the bathroom was. When he returned, he looked a bit pale but told me he was fine. […] At that point one of the maids came down and informed me that my guest had thrown up all over the carpet and simply left the mess for her to clean up. The mother of my children was outraged, and when I defended him by saying that he hadn’t thrown up on purpose, she pointed out that no member of our staff was expected to clean up such a mess. As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.

– http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/are-white-nationalists-about-to-take-over-the-us-not-bloody-likely/

I am not exactly sure what the point, the intent, or the purpose of this article is… besides being a (secret) ‘bisexualist,’ might Richard Spencer also be a (secret) ‘bulimicist???’

I wonder how deep the white rabbit hole goes…

This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I’m offering is the truth. Nothing more.

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

I didn’t ask if you were a “homosexualist� or a “bisexualist,� which I understand mean different things than “homosexual� and “bisexual.� I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “homosexualist� and “bisexualist� mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?

This is getting comical… you must be mildly autistic like Greg Johnson and myself.

I am NOT homosexual or bisexual, either. I used the terms ‘homosexualist’ and ‘bisexualist,’ to be subtly funny.

I guess my humor did not come across to well. I need to work on that…

I am not completely sure about the exact and different meanings of ‘homosexualist’ and ‘bisexualist,’ either.

I understood them to be mostly more arcane and rare terms used to refer to homosexuals and bisexuals. This how I attempted to subtly inject some humor into this pretty serious discussion…

This is what the interwebs says about it:

(rare, often pejorative) Alternative form of homosexual  [quotations ▲]

1949, George Kingsley Zipf, Human Behavior and the Principle of Least Effort:

[…] roughly speaking, a homosexualist is born and not made.

– https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/homosexualist

For your viewing pleasure… you might enjoy this more obvious humor about ‘homosexualists’:

Little Britain – Daffyd Thomas first episode

Video Link

I didn’t ask if you were a “homosexualist” or a “bisexualist,” which I understand mean different things than “homosexual” and “bisexual.” I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “homosexualist” and “bisexualist” mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?

Johnson is understandably quite defensive about this and takes it personally, but I think it’s quite an exaggeration to suggest that there’s anything close to being a “panic” on the alt-right regarding homosexuality. Quite the contrary, the movement has generally either ignored the issue or gone out of its way to accommodate it, and some of its most prominent leaders and members are that way.

Parrott and Heimbach are religious. Parrott is a Mormon, and Heimbach is an Orthodox Christian. They disapprove of homosexuality, but they’re not openly hostile to homosexuals. They were disinvited because there were other speakers at the conference that are homosexual, and because the host, Spencer, is bisexual, and the conference wanted to minimize potential discomfort and conflict. It was not because a “mafia” disapproved of more traditional or religious views.

…generally give *me* hives.

You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?

No, I am not a homosexualist, bisexualist, and I do not condone pedophilia in any way.

I am just highly allergic to BS!

Left-wing BS, right-wing BS, political correctness, etc. Lies, hypocrisy, etc., generally give my hives.

Nobody is talking about witch hunts.

Ok, instead of calling it a ‘witch hunt,’ let us just call it a ‘panic.’

Gay Panic on the Alt Right

For instance, after the Halloween 2015 National Policy Institute conference, the Two Matts, Parrott and Heimbach, made up the story that Heimbach was disinvited from NPI because a “gay mafiaâ€� disapproved of his Old Testament opinions on homosexuality. Their motive was narcissistic rage, and their aim was simply to harm NPI by starting a gay panic, a troll so divisive that it was eagerly promoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center which shares the same destructive agenda. […]

The most recent gay panic agitation comes from Sinead “Renegade� McCarthy, whose black marks include linking White Advocacy to flat earth and anti-vaccine cranks, slurring people who think there is more to activism than crazy-eyed women passing out flyers (e.g., Richard Spencer, Angelo Gage, Nathan Damigo, etc.), and basically demanding that the movement capitulate to feminism. Her motives in pushing the gay panic button seem to be equal parts narcissistic rage and feminist entryism.

– http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/gay-panic-on-the-alt-right/

it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.

how is that calculated?

were those “fourteen million lives” Allied lives, Jewish lives, or Axis lives?
If Jewish lives, does that mean that but for Turing’s work, 20 million Jews would have been exterminated by the Nazis?

What did Turing’s work know about the extermination camps and the gas chambers and when did they know it?

If Turing’s work was able to “shorten the war by 2 years and save 14 million lives,” why was it unable to shorten the war by three years and save even more lives?

Wasn’t it part of Churchill’s and FDR’s and Stalin’s plan to kill as many Germans as possible?
Certainly it was the case that FDR demanded total capitulation; had that one demand been changed, how many more millions of lives could have been saved?

To be clear, we’re talking about pederasty and homosexual pedophilia here, not heterosexual consent and historical legislation thereof, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing up the latter.

I’m also not sure what the relevance of Alan Turing is here. Nobody is talking about witch hunts. You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?

You should choose your words and sources more carefully. Don’t put your trust in the plutocrat-Koch-Bros.-controlled Tea Party or Alt Lite Infowars conspiracy theorists.

Many of your own ancestors might be considered ‘pedophiles’ by today’s standards:

A 1576 law making it a felony to “unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years” was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England’s North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years. […] There was one exception: a man’s acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.

– https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

This table has been compiled from a combination of historical and contemporary sources. By 1880, the first date chosen, many western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years.: https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24

In the United States in the 1890s, several states had an age of consent as low as 10. In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7, according to an article in The New York Times.[31]

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform#United_States

Don’t participate in witch hunts, either. Brilliant minds and ideas might get damaged or lost…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

Turing played a pivotal role in cracking intercepted coded messages that enabled the Allies to defeat the Nazis in many crucial engagements, including the Battle of the Atlantic; it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.[6]

In January 1952, Turing, then 39, started a relationship with Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old unemployed man. Turing had met Murray just before Christmas outside the Regal Cinema when walking down Manchester’s Oxford Road and invited him to lunch. On 23 January Turing’s house was burgled. Murray told Turing that the burglar was an acquaintance of his, and Turing reported the crime to the police. During the investigation he acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray. Homosexual acts were criminal offences in the United Kingdom at that time,[103] and both men were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885.[104] […]

Turing was convicted and given a choice between imprisonment and probation, which would be conditional on his agreement to undergo hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. He accepted the option of treatment via injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this treatment was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused gynaecomastia,[107] fulfilling in the literal sense Turing’s prediction that “no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I’ve not found out”.[108][109]

sorry to disappoint but the Alt Right IS neo-nazi, whatever that means, as is most of WN. All you have to do is survey the dozen plus websites….and you will see that virtually all of them claim a National Socialist character.

I like the honesty of Zundel who exclaimed, I am not a neo-nazi. I am a nazi!. Freshness amongst the babble of neo-tongues. I recall the old anti-semite and mythologist, Joseph Campbell who once said that the only organization that he belongs to is the Society for the Prevention of Continental Drift.

Of course, his belonging to a generation that had had quite enough of nazis, jews, and commies…it was understandable. Today is another matter. I think the ancient Greeks called anybody who did not pay attention to political affairs, an idiot.

Joe Webb

Nobody said they were pedophiles. Johnson is a homosexual, and Spencer is bisexual. This is well known by their associates and those in alt-right circles – see the comments above by Joe Webb for example.

It’s only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one’s agenda.

Project much!

You are still calling him a ‘pedophile!?’ This is extremely disingenuous; I dare say slanderous:

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[1]

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

Don’t you see this! You are no better than the MSM calling Richard Spencer and the Alt Right ‘Neo-Nazis.’

Man, am I triggered by this kind of ignorance and preposterousness!

This is not even ‘Fake News’ you are peddling, this is just ‘Stupid News!’

Seriously makes my blood boil!

Wow, Just Wow!

Keynes’s homosexuality and pedophilia are widely acknowledged and not controversial.

You’re the one who brought up Keynes and his attributes out of the blue in some sort of vague appeal to authority. It’s only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one’s agenda.

I don’t know if the Tea Party sources you cited about Keynes’ sexual preferences can be considered to be the gold standard of objectivity and honesty. Also, as I said above, I think, these discussions and this gossip about people’s sexual orientation and weight, etc. are a distraction and unproductive.

Here is a little more objective take on Keynes’ sexual behavior, just to offer an ‘alternative’ viewpoint on the issue:

Was John Maynard Keynes a child molester?

Your definition of “molesting” and “pederasty” are likely based on your personal beliefs, so I do not know if this is helpful or not.

There is a reference in the original Conservapedia article to this article in the Economist

That article examines Keynes’ own sex diaries:

The first diary is easy: Keynes lists his sexual partners, either by their initials (GLS for Lytton Strachey, DG for Duncan Grant) or their nicknames (“Tressider,” for J. T. Sheppard, the King’s College Provost). When he apparently had a quick, anonymous hook-up, he listed that sex partner generically: “16-year-old under Etna” and “Lift boy of Vauxhall” in 1911, for instance, and “Jew boy,” in 1912.

Born in mid 1883, he would have been about 28 in 1911.

So, according to his diaries, he had sex with a 16-year-old, while aged 28, and others that he described as “boys” (which can be a broad term for ages).

I don’t know if the age of consent has changed recently in Italy (which I assumed is the Etna referred to), but it is currently 14 years old, so if he did that today, he would not be committing a crime.

Judging historical figures’ behaviour by today’s/local social mores is often tricky. (Somehow, I don’t think he would have written it in his diary if he knew, a century later, the semantics would be debated in public.)

And, of course, his ideas should be argued on their merits, not on his taste in sexual partners.

– http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2802/was-john-maynard-keynes-a-child-molester

In any event, this was precisely my and, I think, Vox Day’s point also; the Alt Right is neither Conservatism Inc. (‘conservatives’) nor is it the Tea Party (‘constitutionalists’), it is a completely new movement, and, in my opinion, it is much more intelligent and savvy than either one of them.

This is why the Establishment is so afraid of it.

I hope Richard Spencer will show more prudence and savviness going forward.

Say What? “….actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement…” I wonder if you are aware of the old days…back to like Wilmot Robertson and so on. These guys, like Francis, etc. wrote all the fundamentals and there is nothing new except for updates.

And what exactly is that and what has the Catholic Church got to with WN, etc?

Your reading around in psychopathology…is one thing, direct personal experience with GJ is another, and I and a number of folks have had plenty of it with GJ. I got more stories but will leave it alone.

Since I am a fast learner, I learned quick not to bother with Spencer. Then again, when I read one piece by the flamer Donovan, that was also the last piece. Nuts. Nobody nuttier than a pink nazi flamer. Liberals/commies are just ordinary Utopian kids, B students, etc, and killers to be sure, but barely noteworthy in their psychological profiles. Common, predictable, and boring.

GJ beats out Spencer in knowledge, and when he sticks close to facts, has been useful, up to a point. However, once you understand that he is a nazi, everything he touches must be sized up per that signal fact.

The homosexual angle is not important, except that just about every queer I have known has been nutty in some major psychological regard. To repeat, egoism, pissiness, flamer type hype in everything from politics to you name it. The sex is especially repugnant to me, but lots of heteros behave similarly.

Because a guy loves his dog does show that he is not a total psychopath, but , speaking of the Catholic Church, it instructs us to Love The World, as I recall, and that includes both punishing, expelling, etc. our enemies. However it prevents bloody thoughts from morphing into bloody action, if it can be avoided. Murder and genocide is to be avoided, and that can be accomplished by ethnic cleansing…back to wherever the muds came from, and resegregation of blacks in the US, if they don’t accept a subaltern position, commensurate with their 85 average IQ, etc.

Again please discuss the putative contributions of these guys….the only stand out for me is their nazism. Totally without redeeming use here in our time. And a total non-starter with regard to our people. These nazis should be expelled, even if that means splitting WN into two or more groups. Nazis Out.

Race Realism, along the lines of AM Ren is the only possible road ahead.. a bit boring for the flamers I guess.

Joe Webb

Incidentally, like Keynes, Spencer was married to a Russian while maintaining relations with men.

Keynes was also a homosexual and a pedophile. Are you suggesting that homosexuality and pedophilia are correlated with high IQ, height, and holding alt-right views?

From The Party Culture War by Steve Johnson:

Keynes was also openly homosexual, and he recorded many of his same-sex encounters in the diaries that he kept. Two of his great loves were the artist Duncan Grant and writer Lytton Strachey, the latter of whom described Keynes as “a liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician.” He married a Russian ballerina in 1925, but he maintained a relationship with a younger man during the courtship.

Keynes’s particular depravity appears to have been pedophilia. He and his homosexual friends often went to resorts along the Mediterranean Sea, where little boys were sold to bordellos by their parents. He took advantage of the bitter poverty he witnessed in North Africa, Italy, and the Middle East and purchased male child prostitutes for English shillings. In his communications, he advised his friends to go to Tunis, “Where ‘bed and boy’ were also not expensive.

From Keynes: A Critical Life by David Felix:

[Keynes] advised Lytton, who was going on a holiday to Tunis and Sicily, on modalities “if you want to go where the naked boys dance.” Responding to his friend’s scatological taste, he closed with the lines from a poem: “We paid our suit to Janus/ Mistook the one mouth for the other anus.” He himself was going to join an old classmate, now a colonial officer there: “I’m leaving for Egypt. . . . I just learned that ‘bed and boy’ is prepared.”

I think high IQ is the determining factor for these attitudes, not sexual orientation.

This discussion actually reminds of John Maynard Keynes. Keynes was 6 feet and 5 or 6 inches tall; height was found to be correlated with IQ.

Wherever one’s starting point is on the political/ideological spectrum – Right, Left or Center – eventually high IQ individuals usually arrive at similar conclusions about the realities of Life. Keynes sounds pretty Alt Rigthish or Alt Leftish to me here:

Political opponents have used Keynes’s sexuality to attack his academic work.[145] One line of attack held that he was uninterested in the long term ramifications of his theories because he had no children.[145]

Keynes’s friends in the Bloomsbury Group were initially surprised when, in his later years, he began dating and pursuing affairs with women,[146] demonstrating himself to be bisexual.[147]

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Relationships

Keynes sometimes explained the mass murder that took place during the first years of communist Russia on a racial basis, as part of the “Russian and Jewish natureâ€�, rather than as a result of the communist rule. After a trip to Russia, he wrote in his Short View of Russia that there is “beastliness on the Russian and Jewish natures when, as now, they are allied together”. He also wrote that “out of the cruelty and stupidity of the Old Russia nothing could ever emerge, but (…) beneath the cruelty and stupidity of the New Russia a speck of the ideal may lie hid”, which together with other comments may be construed as anti-Russian and antisemitic.[130] […] Keynes was a supporter of Zionism, serving on committees supporting the cause.[133]

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Views_on_race

Keynes was a proponent of eugenics. He served as director of the British Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944. As late as 1946, shortly before his death, Keynes declared eugenics to be “the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists.”[165]

– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Political_causes

For these strong reasons, therefore, I am inclined to the belief that, after the transition is accomplished, a greater measure of national self-sufficiency and economic isolation among countries than existed in 1914 may tend to serve the cause of peace, rather than otherwise. At any rate, the age of economic internationalism was not particularly successful in avoiding war; and if its friends retort, that the imperfection of its success never gave it a fair chance, it is reasonable to point out that a greater success is scarcely probable in the coming years.

– https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/interwar/keynes.htm

As Vox Day recently wrote:

This is something both conservatives and constitutionalists very much need to understand. You CANNOT and you WILL NOT avoid domestic conflict, quite possibly on a civil war-scale level, by clinging to ideals that have already failed in almost every possible way. You have ONE CHANCE to avoid the balkanization scenario, and that is by adopting the Alt-Right program and aggressively pushing the God-Emperor Ascendant to adopt it. There is absolutely NOTHING about the conservative and constitutional programs that will relieve the internal stresses that are already pushing the USA to the snapping point.

Some of you whine that there are Nazis and ultras and neos and extremists in the Alt-Right. That’s right. There are. And those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump, the nationalist elite, and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress, the globalists return to power, and the balkanization scenario begins to play out. Look at Ukraine. Look at Hungary. Look at Yugoslavia. Which of those three political entities is in the best shape, and why?

– http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-party-of-reagan-is-dead.html

I think their opposition to the pro-life viewpoint has more to do with them being gay and bisexual. Non-heterosexuals, as well as certain heterosexuals such as older, childless career woman types, often have an instinctual dislike of natalism and more family oriented lifestyles. Johnson has published articles and writers critical of “family values” and has extolled childless, left wing type lifestyles, advocating a synthesis with nationalism that he calls “west coast nationalism.” Both Johnson and Spencer seem to have an instrumental view of the family and children in which they are seen as instruments of power and the State which are controlled by men like themselves.

Mr. Johnson does not strike me as a psychopath, Mr. Webb.

I have studied and researched psychopaths and psychopathy for many years, because I had personal interactions with a psychopath (his father was a white-collar career criminal and was eventually murdered by one of the people he wronged. You will read further down below why this information is relevant when it comes to psychopathy.).

The following statement in his recent Thanksgiving message about dogs is very uncharacteristic psychopathic behavior, which usually is not sincerely caring and compassionate in this kind of way towards animals, etc.:

On behalf of everyone at Counter-Currents, I want to wish all our US readers safe travels and a happy Thanksgiving. (And please don’t let your dogs eat turkey bones.)

– http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/happy-thanksgiving-2/

I think Mr. Johnson may be mildly autistic, but the same thing has been said about me before. It might just be a symptom and sign of his above average intelligence. Sometimes highly intelligent people have a certain disdain or disgust for their fellow human beings, because they see them cause so much havoc and destruction to Planet Earth and its (non-human) inhabitants.

Who are the real psychopaths, people who oppose, or people who promote the unsustainable human overpopulation of Planet Earth?

There are certain issues, which, I think, Mr. Johnson has some strange and contradictory opinions on, but it is nothing too major, and other Counter-Currents readers have pointed these flaws and inconsistencies in his thinking out to him. This is also the part that is relevant to psychopathy, and the psychopath I had interactions with and his father:

Rebes
Posted April 11, 2016 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

It’s a lifelong complication because women who give babies up for adoption tend to experience long-term regret and sorrow more so than women who abort. You are literally suggesting imposing long-term suffering on an innocent woman who did nothing, all for the sake of some criminal sprog.

Furthermore, sexual offending has a huge genetic component. A twin study out of Denmark demonstrated this. Criminality in general has genetic underpinnings. Do ALL children of criminals grow up to be criminals? No of course not. But plenty do. It is eugenic to abort the babies of [criminals/psychopaths].

If a white society aborted all rape fetuses over a significant length of time, rape would be eliminated. The only reason it persists is because we haven’t done a good enough job of making sure it is completely non-viable in a reproductive sense. Abort rape fetuses, sterilize rapists, and strongly encourage any children the rapist may already have had to consent to sterilization, and rape is gone even quicker. Same deal with many other criminal behaviors.

– http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/abortion-and-white-nationalism/#comment-1191110

I actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement, and this is the reason why it is so much more disappointing and saddening to me to see Mr. Spencer sabotage and taint much of the good work he has done in past for the Alt Right movement by not being more careful and measured when it mattered most:

Radix Journal publishing the two following articles, in my opinion, was the most crucial turning point and moment in the history of the Alt Right movement, and which decoupled it from Catholic dogma/control, which had held it back and weakened it prior:

The alt Right, for both our own principles and the greater good, must oppose the pro-life agenda.

The Pro-Life Temptation
Aylmer Fisher · April 8, 2016

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

Unintended Consequences
T. M. Goddard · April 13, 2016

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/13/unintended-consequences

In October 2015 Alt Right website Counter-Currents had published a piece in a similar vein:
White Nationalists Need Planned Parenthood, Not the Pope
Patrick Le Brun

http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/10/white-nationalists-need-planned-parenthood-not-the-pope/

– https://www.unz.com/article/what-can-msmclinton-say-about-alt-right-that-theyve-not-already-said-about-trumpgop/#comment-1561897

FWIW Johnson is gay, not Spencer. Spencer is bisexual and was married.

ok, but the mere mention of ‘sabotage’ etc, brings up the question. I know GJ very well, with his history of bilking people out of their money, including a failed attempt with myself, and other WN groups.

Poisonous and psychopathology….you have to have had personal experience with the character. He once said in one of his seances that I attended a few years ago…with regard to storing food for disasters to come, ” Oh, I don’t bother with this, I will just go next door and kill someone for their food.” Funny, or psychopathology? There are others as well. Jokes always reveal character.

GJ is capable of anything, including signing up with our enemies if he is paid. Do not believe anything he says, anything.

WN is dead thanks to guys like Spencer and Johnson. For the time being anyway. When Trump fails to deliver, another chapter will begin. Call ourselves race realists…that has a chance.

No country or anything else can survive when based on Lies, especially the race equality lie of the century, or, last half century, championed by Jews but genetically fostered by White altruism.

Joe Webb

the only reason I bother to reply to this idiot is this: I was never a commie, but a Democratic Socialist type, like Bernie Sanders. Michael Harrington’s Democratic Socialist party was then probably the old Norman Thomas Socialist Party. It may be the party of Bernie.

Probably the thing that kept me an Albert Camus Rebel type (see his The Rebel, a great mid-century classic) as opposed to a communist is my good sense. This also keeps me away from totalitarianism of the Right. Good sense. Limits. The 20 th century was the time of Unlimited Excess, although the commies were a dozen times worse than the fascists, including Hitler.

Arguably NS never came close to the totalitarianism of communism. If alive back then I probably would have become part of HItler’s movement, who knows?

When you get Race, you get it, big time. Interesting that race and class are both growing in consciousness. Race will always trump class, but the two combined are pure dynamite.

We are heading for a post world war one scenario with many ethnic and race and economic/political struggles ahead. Europe is dealing with the breakdown of the EU. Wait until Migrant crisis spills over into civil war between muzzies and Whites. 50- million muzzies. in Europe. That means maybe 10 million potential jihadist/warriors.

These folks want to die for Allah. Great. Let them die by the tens of thousands as Whites stay calm and shoot straight. Thanks to the Jews for bringing this on. Does Trump get it? I doubt it.
Neocons played it real good…abetting the genetically dopey European Liberals to Welcome the Stranger. Muzzies are stranger than our blacks and mexers, much stranger

When white folks figure all or this out, Israel is finished, and jews are in real jewish trouble.

Joe Webb

Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

Mr. Webb,

where did you read, that Mr. Johnson was accusing Richard Spencer of being an agent?

He specifically stated in his article:

Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right.

In regards to Mr. Spencer potentially being a homosexual as well, and his wife being overweight, etc.; this is just unproductive and distracting gossip, in my opinion.

What is of greater concern, to me, about Mr. Spencer’s wife, are her close ties to Russia and Aleksandr Dugin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

Kouprianova has also translated the work of Russian political scientist Aleksandr Dugin,

– https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/neo-nazi-richard-spencers-wife-is-a-russian-propagandist-with-allegiance-to-putin/

Much of Mr. Spencer’s time and tweeting on Twitter, before he was banned from the platform, was dedicated to defending Russia, Putin and Bashar al-Assad of Syria, instead of advocating for and defending the historic Protestant American people and nation. What exactly are his real priorities?

Mr. Johnson had similar concerns:

Greg Johnson
Posted October 1, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

You are misrepresenting this entirely. I did not call off the conference. The Hungarian government did that. I was merely informing my readers, many of whom expected me to be there, that I was not going, and why I was not going — based on information that Richard Spencer was unwilling to share.

Nor did I “sabotage� anything — unless it was NPI’s plan to keep people in the dark in the hope that they would be able to cobble together an alternative conference at the last minute, which seems unlikely given the fact that the Hungarian government has expelled at least one person involved with NPI, and Richard Spencer, last I heard, had not even tried to enter Hungary.

I have a lot of disagreements with the direction that Spencer has been taking NPI and Radix in recent months. He has basically abandoned ethnonationalism and turned into an apologist for Dugin and reactionary Russian chauvinism. But I still wished to attend the conference and wanted it to be a success.

– http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/budapest-conference-update/#comment-56081

Johnson is acknowledged to be homosexual. Spencer is not public about his orientation, but he separated from his wife recently, and it’s believed the separation is due to issues and disputes regarding his proclivities.

Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

Human all too human. He is also, like Greg Johnson, a juvenile delinquent delighting in transgressive behavior. Whatever he meant by the Atlantic article quote…” we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” it is puerile delinquency. As a possibility, despite my view that homosexuality is simply a biological error, wires crossed and all that, the in your face character of official homosexuality these days may explain Spencer in part. Also GJ.

Spencer is apparently married, and I understand she is fat. Now, Spencer is a good looking male…makes one wonder. Plausible deniability and all that.

Get into an SS uniform and play the part. Toy race realists…again, toy. Play with your toys and raise the middle finger to the straights, the breeders.

Both of these guys are pure poison for any kind of race realism. I no longer use the term White Nationalist for myself. It is the old cliche of ‘with friends like this, who needs enemies.’ Thanks Richard.

Joe Webb

Perhaps that could be the new motto of the alt-right – “Not as gay as a bunch of old men who wear dresses for a living.” I am sure that would do wonders for recruitment and really support the alt-right’s heterosexual bona fides.

Johnson may be brown, but the sex is unimportant. The brown shirt is important. he is a nazi too. I know him. his dog is named Rockwell, not after the Norman.

However his opinion here is correct. JW

Whatever the percentage of homosexuals in the Alt Right, I am sure, it is negligible and pales in comparison to the RCC. Maybe the Alt Right should start recruiting more homosexuals? This approach and strategy seems to work really well for the Pope:

Over half of Catholic priests are gay, says Vatican insider

He said that this number is even higher in the Vatican and that the church “use� the sexuality of these men to “guilt-trip� them into being better priests.

“You have the advantage of having many gay men with a guilty conscience. They do their best to be especially smart, loyal to the Pope and hard working,� he said in an interview with German magazine Stern.

“Which is why they have the best chances for a career and, through this, get into the Vatican.

“There, they find a network of gay men in which people help each other out.�

Berger worked at the Pontifical Academy of St Thomas Aquinas in Vatican City, but was forced to leave when he came out as gay.

However, he says being gay actually helps further your career, he claimed, as “being gay is an important apparatus of power� in the Vatican and priests who come out are seen as the “ultimate threat�.

– http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/07/over-half-of-catholic-priests-are-gay-says-vatican-insider/

Numerous independent sources inside the Church began polling and interviewing and questioning and researching. Their results were jaw-dropping. One survey done by a New Jersey Franciscan priest and researcher revealed that 45 percent of 500 priests surveyed volunteered that they were gay and that one in four of them had AIDS — proving a rampant promiscuity.

Over the years, a large number of surveys, polls and research have produced a wide range of estimates of the percentage of men in the ranks of the ordained who are homosexual: as low as 15 percent all the way up to 58 percent. That compares to the overall national percentage of about 1.5 percent.

– http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/half-of-priests-and-bishops-are-gay

Greg Johnson is a homosexual.

“snatching defeat from the jaws of victory�

Outstanding analysis of ‘Hailgate’ by Greg Johnson:

The Alt Right:
Obituary for a Brand?

It is ironic — or maybe just sadly fitting — that Richard Spencer, the man who launched the Alternative Right brand, may have just destroyed it. […]

Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right. Instead, I wish to comment on the consequences of this affair and how we should respond to it. […]

Spencer really had one job: not to embarrass us or Trump, and he blew it. Now there is zero chance of any proposal coming from NPI being taken seriously. […]

Vox Day does not think Spencer is controlled opposition but that he nevertheless behaved in a self-aggrandizing manner and made a serious public relations error. […]

Please don’t tell me that Spencer’s critics are all simply trying to make friends with an implacably hostile press. First, our concern is obviously not persuading our enemies but reaching people who are sympathetic or neutral. Second, if the press is implacably hostile, why is Spencer so focused on courting it?

– http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/the-alt-right-obituary-for-a-brand/

I know the original meaning of the phrase, moron.

The Cold War is over, and there’s no credible threat of commie takeover. But there are still commies and ex-commies running around, and they will have to be dealt with – with extreme prejudice.

Hah! Credible trolling requires at least minimal intelligence and knowledge.

better dead than red (or better red than dead)
phrase of red
1.
a cold-war slogan claiming that the prospect of nuclear war is preferable to that of a communist society (or vice versa).

You’re an ex-commie. Once a commie, always a commie. We are National Socialists, and we will deal with you commies and ex-commies. Remember – better dead than red. No exceptions.

Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type

Thank you, and agreed.

I tried to give Steve Bannon the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are pretty much spot on with your characterization of him ‘He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type.’

I wrote a long comment on that Vatican speech/presentation he gave; here some excerpts:

To be honest, I am, at moment, a bit confused about Steve Bannon. He gave that speech you referenced at the Vatican in 2014, I believe.

This is what he said in 2016, which I wholeheartedly agree with, except for his pro-life (and I assume anti-Planned Parenthood) position and rhetoric […]

If Bannon has such a negative view of the RCC/Vatican, why would he speak to them? Maybe he had a change of heart and mind from 2014 to 2016, and figured out what the Vatican is really up to, and that it is no friend of the historic Protestant American people and nation? He does not seem to be very much aware of the Zionist-Vatican alliance [Or he is actually a part of it, like you stated, i.e., ‘ Catholic neocon type’][…]

I hope Steve Bannon has wised up to the Vatican and is keeping his distance from the Vatican and Knights of Malta crowd since the 2014 speech he gave to that group at the Vatican. […]

One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose […]

– https://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

I still trust Trump, though: https://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271 and https://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1654918

Let us hope, that they won’t succeed to turn him and his administration into a Zionist-Vatican alliance puppet… I will do everything in my power to not let that happen!

Yep. To remind, Sharpton was the individual most responsible for destroying David Dinkins mayoralty, and ensuring a quarter century of Republican mayors to follow.

Apparently some folks had Sharpton by the short-hairs:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312

Both Rupert Murdoch and Tony Blair are papists.

The Breitbart News chief and chief advisor to Trump, Steve Bannon, is of Irish Catholic background:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/

“I come from a blue-collar, Irish Catholic, pro-Kennedy, pro-union family of Democrats,� says Bannon, by way of explaining his politics.

Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

Are you really comparing a bunch of law-abiding people doing un-PC things in a semi-private venue to rioters?

Im not saying that what happened was the wisest thing but the media is going to label anyone who opposes white displacement and disenfranchisement as “Nazis.” Stop punching to the right.

The infiltration and invasion of the ‘Alt Lite’ (not the Alt Right) by the Zionist-Vatican alliance intensifies:
An Honest Conversation About Blackwater | Erik Prince and Stefan Molyneux

Published on Nov 28, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBTCVgZUuso
Video Link

Betsy DeVos is Eri[k] Prince’s elder sister…

Trump vs. the REAL Nuts—the GOP/ “Uniparty� Establishment

Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion. […]

Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism

– https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630050

– https://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444

These are the real fascists, not Richard Spencer and the Alt Right:

Trump: We Wish the Problem Was Fascism…
…But It’s Really Racism

The simple fact, that Trump is Protestant, makes it highly unlikely, that he has fascist tendencies/leanings, since the great majority of fascist dictatorships were Catholic, with a few exceptions

– https://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1618786

The rise of far-right parties in Europe, caused by the â€�refugee crisisâ€�, etc., is not a bad thing for the Vatican […]

Most right-wing regimes kept strong ties with local Churches (usually the Roman Catholic ones since most of those regimes happened in Catholic countries).

– https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630654

I feel this information is vital to understand, and so I decided to post it here again, so we can make sure that the Trump administration does not get infiltrated by the agents of the Zionist-Vatican alliance, like the Reagan administration was. […]

the U.S. Catholic bishops adopted a plan to build a political machine with the stated goal of passing a human rights amendment to the Constitution. This plan, which is represented by a printed document, describes the creation of the new right movement, including the Moral Majority. Within a period of only four years, almost the entire new right movement had been created.

– https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/dawn-of-the-trumpening-jeff-sessions-for-attorney-general-steve-bannon-for-pope/#comment-1658259

The Zionist-Vatican alliance wanted to get rid of the authentic Alt Right after their intrusion was repelled and their co-option failed, and Richard Spencer gave them a huge opening to do that with his ‘Hail Victory’ stunt at NPI…

It is no coincidence, in my opinion, that the ‘Alt Lite’, e.g. Infowars, Paul Joseph Watson, et al. are calling themselves the ‘New Right,’ now.

Infowars has tons of Vatican connections just like the Murdoch media empire:

Rupert Murdoch’s Heat Street is attacking the Unz Review, Vdare.com and Mr. Sailer. […]
Coincidentally, I just wrote a comment about the Murdoch media empire a few days ago:

There is probably no one who pushes the Zionist-Vatican alliance and agenda harder than the Murdoch media empire […]

Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)? – https://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181

– https://www.unz.com/article/the-long-election-stage-two/#comment-1659662

This is a somewhat ‘kooky’ website, but he has been documenting Alex Jones’ connection to the Vatican for years:

What convinced me Jones is some kind of agent? 1. The info listed on this page. 2. The “Main Links” section to the left. 3. My knowledge of Jesuit/Vatican history and political intrigue which I have studied for almost 20 years now.

Has Alex Jones been contacted about this info? Yes he has. He calls the info “Baloney” and says “the Catholic ‘Run it all’ crew are the worst”.

– http://spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm

Richard Spencer’s “knack� is in providing the lugenpresse what it wants.

Exactly right. Spencer’s post-election/transition period antics could not have been more propitiously timed for the Never Trump bitter enders. In an election in which establishment Democrats and Republicans were exceedingly unlucky they kept getting exactly what they wanted, and at just the right time, from purported Trump-supporting KKK/Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists/White Nationalists.

Maybe Spencer is just a self-promoting knucklehead. Or, perhaps he’s some form of agent provocateur.

https://20committee.com/2013/02/24/what-if-everything-you-know-is-wrong/comment-page-1/

A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: https://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,

Steve Bannon was asked about the NPI Hailgate scandal:

Steve Bannon talks Richmond roots, says Trump will condemn all forms of racism

http://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/article_0f87d838-4aaa-5e4f-b717-6a342a00b89c.html

The fears of those who think racist groups have been energized by Trump’s hard-line campaign stances against immigrants and Muslim refugees were heightened last weekend when the National Policy Institute, led by alt-right figure Richard Spencer, held a gathering in Washington that included Nazi salutes and shouts of “Hail Trump!�

In a Breitbart post titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right,� written by openly gay right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, Spencer was included in a rundown of “dangerously bright� alt-right intellectuals.

When asked about the scenes from the alt-right conference, Bannon said he does not follow Spencer’s group and does not know much about it.

Breitbart’s mission, he said, calls for “more voices, not less,� with no single line of thought dominating the site. Race-based nationalism, he said, is a “non-starter.�

“I don’t think it stands the test of logic, and there is no future for that, really, in America,� Bannon said.

The article gives further clues as to why Mr. Bannon was probably in favor of the Betsy DeVos appointment as Secretary of Education and why he likely supports her school voucher advocacy:

The close-knit Catholic family revered President John F. Kennedy, and Bannon remembers his mother being fascinated by the political rise of former Virginia Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, another Ginter Park resident who became the first African-American to be elected governor of any state.

During the white flight of the 1960s and 1970s, Bannon said, his parents were “adamant� about staying in the city rather than moving to the suburbs as the neighborhood became racially integrated, a decision made easier by the availability of private Catholic schools.

Vouchers Provide Much Needed Infusion of Students to Catholic Schools

– https://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444

I did some more reading and research on Betsy DeVos to better understand her faith and beliefs, because she did not strike me as a traditional Protestant […] I wonder what John Calvin would make of Abraham Kuyper’s and Betsy DeVos’ pro-Papacy politics and philosophy/theology? […] It almost appears that Neo-Calvinism is to Calvinism, what Neo-Conservatism is to Conservatism.

– https://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1662808

This is what Michelle Malkin tweeted about the DeVos appointment:

Michelle Malkin Verified account
�@michellemalkin

Michelle Malkin Retweeted Jeb Bush

Grass-roots education activists on right & left distrust DeVos.
This doesn’t help==> Jeb Bush Verified account
�@JebBush

Betsy DeVos is an outstanding pick for Secretary of Education. I look forward to her bold leadership at the USDOE.

– https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/801562255443841027

Jeb Bush’s conversion to Roman Catholicism is a perfect example of what Conservatism Inc. is really about

– https://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624652

– https://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663141

“White Internationalism”

Some of us think the ‘nationalism’ bit is more important than the ‘white’ bit.

And ‘internationalism’ sounds a little open-borders-ish. Shudder.

Uh, no. The media are hirelings. The idea that they are in any way primary is retarded. The recursion continues off to the upper right of the picture in that tweet.

Well, what can I say? I project my own habits in Scotch (Glendronach, supposedly 15 years old, but they’re fraudulent and persnickety folk, the lot of them). With merely a couple of fingers into a thin-walled crystal short glass, I enjoy the peat and a buzz of exquisite quality. What fuels the drunken ravings of others, I don’t know. At these prices, my own drunken ravings might as well come from Pabst Blue Ribbon, my Scottish father’s choice while the prime steaks on the grill were being touched up to a perfect medium rare, charcoal only. I had a lovely childhood, especially Sunday dinner.

Not much of a drinker, my Pop, but he taught us to drink our bourbon and Scotch with ice, a splash or straight as it is only a faggot that ruins good booze with coke of ginger. Advice that has served me well with bar tenders the world over. Butchers and bar tenders appreciate a customer that knows what he’s talking about. I pity the drunks whose fathers didn’t teach them to properly appreciate their drinking.

Wayward tee shots and career-killing comments, blurted out in a drunken fog, seldom allow redress with Scots, Trump being one of them, supposedly. After all, the Irish call it a Mulligan. The Scots call it three-off-the-tee. You have to pick your companions carefully, no?

{The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation}

Yes, because French cooperated with the Nazi occupiers, except for the Resistance. Germans had neither the desire nor plans to exterminate French civilians. Régime de Vichy ring a bell?
But when the allies, including very French General De de Gaulle’s Free French forces, were trying to dislodge the very capable, very determined Nazi occupiers – yeah, French civilians were killed as an indirect result: war is Hell.

Now then, how many Polish civilians did Nazi invaders murder?
How may Slavs did Nazi invaders murder in East Europe and USSR?

{Then there’s Düsseldorf and Hamburg.}

Yes, there is.
How many German civilians did US and British AF murder?
100K max?

Then there is the Siege of Stalingrad, for example.
About 1 million civilians murdered by Nazi invaders at Stalingrad alone.

{This obsession …..especially for Americans 2 generations removed.}

There is a lot of ‘obsession’ for Americans about the Civil War, the South, the Stars & Bars, …… How many generations would you say it is removed? Part of American history: same as WW2.

Mexico has a pledge of allegiance. They raise their right arm in a Roman salute when reciting it.

But somehow Jews don’t go insane about it.

The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation.

Then there’s Düsseldorf and Hamburg.

But it was a long time ago. This obsession both for and against Nazi Germany is ridiculous, especially for Americans 2 generations removed.

Maybe they are laying the road for others. I see your point, though.

I like the uh diversity of the AR. Nice bunch of new ideas and plenty of stimulating reading material.

Have you ever tried talking to them? They’re fun to watch from the distance but if you interact with them online you quickly realize their limitations.

They were useful for throwing metaphorical firecrackers and smoke bombs at the media online — to cause confusion and provide cover for Trump during the election — but what about going forward? Being obnoxious and kind of stupid helps in the trolling game but not as much in the rest of politics.

I agree, swastikas are counter-productive. If this were a battalion, Capt Spencer would have gone to see the Colonel, where he would be informed that Lt Spencer shall be taking command of the kit shop.

The correct meme is God-Emperor Trump, anyway. Esoteric, and way more bad-ass.

Must disagree here. The TRS crowd are great trolls and there’s nothing wrong with that. They, like the hippies before them, are mocking a culture they dislike and slowly creating a new culture.
Fun and exciting to watch.

Using really any National Socialist words “lugenpresse” or salutes, hails – it brings problems and it’s pointless to whine that the Lib/Lugenpresse media isn’t being fair.

When any Conservative or race realist meeting, organization allows NS, NAZI things it attracts a bad crowd:

1) Loons who fit the Hollywood script of loner, hater Nazis.
2) Sexual degenerates who like to dress up in Nazi leathers
3) Plants from the FBI, ADL, SPLC who act the worst Nazi way to discredit the Alt Right.

The leader of the 1970s Chicago NAZI movement – Frank Colin was a homosexual, Jewish pedophile.

It’s really hard to make NAZI stuff work well in the USA.

aaaah so. this explains why you are so nutty. JW

No, you are falling into the same trap the TRS, troll army types are in, you just fell into it coming from the opposite direction. You too think the media is the arbiter of what’s real and what isn’t. You think Richard Spencer is only as real as the media says he is in the same way the lowbrow gang at TRS think the Nazis aren’t really real because the media keeps insisting they are.

We’ve all been living in such a media-driven, media-saturated, media-mediated society that many find it nearly impossible to imagine Spencer, Trump and even the historical Nazis exist or existed without the media’s permission or active support.

https://twitter.com/Pascal_Beuvelet/status/802624995516092416

TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn’t be asked to do anything more than that.

Agreed.

They are masters of trolling and triggering lying, elitist journalists in comment sections and on Twitter, et al., but beyond that they have very little utility and few other talents.

1488 is the Gateway Drug to the Alt-Right, not the Other Way Round

http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/1488-is-the-gateway-drug-to-the-alt-right-not-the-other-way-round/

Indeed, the OP says:

Moreover, despite Richard Spencer’s knack for obtaining press coverage, he is a ruthlessly marginalized figure.

Richard Spencer’s “knack for obtaining press coverage.” What that means is that the press chooses to hold up Richard Spencer as the leader of the alt right. Richard Spencer’s “knack” is in providing the lugenpresse what it wants.

For me, it’s the TRS crowd who come out the worst in all this. If you listen to their latest, special episode podcast on this it becomes obvious they can’t understand Nazis really existed outside the media narrative. Obviously they’d answer “yes” if asked directly if National Socialist Germany existed (1933-1945) but the rest of the time they’d act as if the Nazis were as real or unreal — as much a take it or leave it kind of thing — as Klingons or Romulans. When asked on Twitter to make a distinction between Hollywood Nazis and historical Nazis, they start swearing. In short, they’re really not that bright.

These are 3rd generation TV babies and probably 2nd generation puppy-mill daycare centre alumni. For them, Hitler and the Nazis are just some badasses they saw on a screen; like Voldemort or the Klingons. TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn’t be asked to do anything more than that.

Sidenote: the british started fire bombing civilian targets first. The Allies killed just as many civilians. The only difference is that we won the war so its not looked at as a negative, if its even looked at.

Isnt history fun?

“You get that for killing Jews?”
“Bravery.”

One of his best scenes ever.

Alt-Right sour grapes: They’re going to call you a Nazi anyway.

I quite like Spencer and his work. He represents a middle ground or blending of the VDare/Amren crowd and the edgier TRS/Daily Stormer camp.

Here is a perfect sample of MSM production, “How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History,” by Thomas Rid, a professor in Security Studies at King’s College London and a former fellow at the RAND Corporation in Washington: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/

In this paper Mr. Rid shows tender care for Mrs. Nuland-Kagan, a poor shrinking violet caught on selecting a new president of Ukraine, Mr. Yatsenyuk. The latter gentleman had since left his post – with an approval rating of 2%. Mr. Rid cannot hide his indignation by pointing out on how the Russians, allegedly, revealed the poor “victim” bad-mouthing of the EU (“F–k EU”). (Mrs. Nuland-Kagan belongs to the powerful Kagans’ clan of armchair warmongers).
Mr. Rid is also puzzled why Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chair, was punished at all. Care not about Bernie! (Sanders had a good chance to bring Democrats to power). All that Mr. Rid was able to detect in Bernie affair was the too much light on the dark flowers of the DNC; Mr. Rid is indignant with the light (the alleged courtesy of Putin) and not with the rot in the DNC.
Overall, the paper is remarkable by its spirit of loyalty to the ruling plutocracy. To emphasize his loyalty, Mr. Rid attacks Julian Assange with rather indecent eagerness. And it is goes without saying that Mr. Rid would never ever question this: “THE UK IS ABOUT TO WIELD UNPRECEDENTED SURVEILLANCE POWERS — HERE’S WHAT IT MEANS” http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill
The paper reminds of the writings by Mr. Higgins (of Bellingcat fame), who is Mr. Rid colleague at King’s College London.

Does anyone else ever feel like Dr. Strangelove when legitimately excited in political/sports environments? I just feel that right arm wanting to shoot out and up. It’s not a Nazi thing. I’m sure it’d be the most common body-builder flex pose if the Nazis hadn’t ruined it.

Spencer is a National Socialist. We need National Socialism, and we need it now. If you can’t handle it, buzz off.

I don’t like ironic or un-ironic Nazi salutes at political meetings but this incident is so straightforward that it doesn’t really require all this meticulous nit-picking. It is what it is.

{Look at a map of the world at the time,…}

I did: here you go.

[German conquests by 1942]

[Japanese Empire]

{The US & the stupid “vetsâ€� deserve to be insulted……}

Do you keep your Nazi uniform clean and your jackboots polished, just in case? You know the German saying , right? “We won WW1, we won WW2, and we will win WW3 too”.

And yeah, Japanese-Americans were illegally and unfairly sent to concentration camps. But it was a concentration camp. Not a death camp that your Nazi ancestors ran. No Japanese-Americans were murdered in Manzanar.

[Waiting for lunch outside mess hall]

Your Nazi ancestors murdered 10s of millions of civilians.

And you most definitely should put on your Nazi SS uniform, polish your jackboots, go to a local bar where American vets hang out and insult them.