I cannot look at this little cretin and feel I’m seeing a human.
It hates humanity.
Regarding the photo at the top of this thought-provoking article, I am reminded of one of my own Golden Rules…
If the man/woman/thing on the stage or screen with a microphone isn’t a funny, irreverent, anarchic comedian, then ignore completely the existence of him/her/it.
Done.
Artificial Dumbness. There were five crematoria with altogether 20 cremation furnaces, with a total of 52 cremation muffles. However, KI (Main Camp) was shut down, as the Cremas in Birkenau came online, so realistically only 4 crematoria at a time, with a peak of 12 furnaces and 46 muffles in total. Each muffle under civilian conditions, takes 2-4 hours for one cremation, if a coffin is included, and if the entire furnace is cooled down at the end, and then cleaned, before the next cremation can begin. But that was not the condition during an epidemic (or during exterminations).
Can anyone teach that Chatbot a lesson?
“…Occupier is responsible for people in its occupation area…”
Agreed, Germany was overwhelmed and asked for help. Which was turned down because those “humanitarian” communists cared so much for their imprisoned soldiers.
You also might take this up with Eisenhower in regards to the Rhine Meadows Camps.
“Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland.†Mr John Wear had nothing to do with this book so entitled.
You know, Catholicism was only successful because the people could not read the Bible, because it was printed in Latin. Maybe it’s true that some Protestants took an unhealthy interest in the Old Testament when they were finally allowed to read it. But they would have also read the New Testament and seen that the Catholic Church is 100% inconsistent with the teachings articulated by Jesus in Matthew and Luke. In fact maybe they noticed that the Sermon on the Mount is a kind of hate speech, telling all the Jews how to lose everything and die while literally loving their enemies.
Nobody follows the teachings in the Sermon on the Mount. If they did, they wouldn’t be here to talk about it. Yet y’all say the “Lord’s Prayerâ€.
So please understand that the basis of Catholicism is rank hypocrisy and there is a very good reason why people reject it.
There is no one more dishonest commentator on the UR then the fake historian John Wear who appears to be neutral and interested in the truth. I have worked with him on hard nose facts for years. Sincere exchanges on my part and I thought on his part, as well. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. A liar a propagandist of the worst kind. Manipulating fact to meet his lies.
His articles on his website are blatant propaganda lies. They have zero factual evidence, yet make sweeping claims. John claims to know the fate of the missing 350,000 Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. He is the only person in the world who knows where they are, but cannot tell us. John thinks because the walls that no longer exist in crematorium 4 did not turn Prussian Blue is proof that the Jews were not gassed. But no one ever tested the walls of the gassing rooms in crematorium 4 because crematorium 4 was demolished to the ground.
You can find documents from Topf and Sons the fabricators of the last multi muffled ovens ordered by Bischoff the head of buildings at Auschwitz for a complete exchange on the gassing proceedings. Good old German engineers meeting the demands of their customers for quicker burns, and more availability. They decided to ditch cremation and move right into incineration which generated so much heat they needed very little fuel.
The study of the mass murder of the Hungarian Jews in 1944, with the exchanges between the design engineers at Topf and Sons, is proof positive that the Germans planned and executed the extermination of European Jewry. The war was over, yet Eichmann wanted to murder the Jews until the last day possible. He shipped Jews to places to murder them, there was no other place for them to go but gassing and incineration. There was room for nothing else but murder.
Anyone denying this is a liar and to write and publish articles to the contrary is proof positive that H deniers are biased Jew haters dedicated to entrap Jews into a conspiracy, desecrate our dead, and plan for nothing but another Jewish tragedy To think otherwise is someone who is delusional.
#1198 HdC
“When Germany was faced with feeding and housing over 3 million Soviet POW, it asked Stalin to help feed them. “
Occupier is responsible for people in its occupation area.
If Germans were unable to feed those people then they should not have started World War II.
All responsibility is on Germans.
” Germany was committed to treat its POW the same way German POW were treated in enemy countries.”
It’s nice to hear from you that cultural Germans had right to become barbarians because their opponents were barbarians.
So, you claim that Germans were barbarians like Soviets. I agree.
“As for the whining and moaning from Poland, read “Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland.”
How many times I must read fairy tales made by dishonest person like Mr. John Wear? Gimme a breake.
Thanks for trying to educate me.
About those Soviet Soldiers; Germany was committed to treat its POW the same way German POW were treated in enemy countries.
Stalin is on record of not caring one whit for Soviet POW, he considered them to be traitors.
The Soviet Union was not a signatory to the Geneva Accord regarding the treatment of POW, consequently Germany felt that it was not obliged to do any better.
When Germany was faced with feeding and housing over 3 million Soviet POW, it asked Stalin to help feed them. In so many words Stalin replied “het” because he considered them traitors.
As to your numerous wikipedia references, most people contributing to this blog know that on controversial subjects wiki is worse than useless.
As for the whining and moaning from Poland, read “Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland.
By and large Germans were ruthless against those who attacked German personnel from the rear in civilian clothes. Tough.
Thanks for the reply. I like to paraphrase that saying, with one “qualifier” –
“Behind (almost) every fortune lies a crime”
And that is the truth!
Regards…
#1178 HdC
“I should like to see a list of Germany’s sins.”
I’m always happy when I can help.
You many times supported @Jonh Wear so I think his e-book will be good for you as credible source. You can find in his
https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/
“Chapter Ten Crimes Committed by Germany During World War II”
that for example:
“When Soviet prisoners were transported by train, the Germans usually used open freight cars with no protection from the weather. The camps also often provided no shelter from the elements, and the food ration was typically below survival levels. As a result, Russian POWs died in large numbers in German camps.”
“By one estimate, 5,754,000 Russians were captured by Germany during World War II, of whom 3.7 million died.[12] Another source estimates that perhaps 3.1 million Soviet POWs died in German captivity. The starvation of Russian soldiers in German camps stiffened the resistance of the Red Army, since soldiers would rather fight to the death than starve in agony as German captives. As knowledge of German policies spread, some Soviet citizens began to think that Soviet control of their country was perhaps preferable to German control.”
“Germany also commenced resettlement schemes beginning in West Prussia, where 750,000 Polish citizens were expelled to make way for Germans transferred from the Baltic states. In 1942-1943, Germany cleared over 300 villages in central Poland as part of an additional resettlement scheme.”
“Germany also used brutal measures to quash two uprisings in Poland during the war. “
etc.
(You know what “etc.” means, right?)
I also strongly encourage you to read report about bestialities made by Germans in Poland during war:
“The War Report – Abridged Version”
https://instytutstratwojennych.pl/en/abridged-war-report
and other topics like:
Murdering Polish educated people by Germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II
Murdering civilians by “cultural” Germans in 1944 in Warsaw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre
Plan to murder 50%-80% of Slavs prepared by “cultural” Germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
Kidnapping of Polish children by “cultural” Germans during war in order to make them Germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation
“During World War II, around 200,000[4][5][6][7] ethnic Polish children as well as an unspecified number of children of other ethnicities were abducted from their homes and forcibly transported to Nazi Germany for purposes of forced labour, medical experimentation, or Germanization. “
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisation_in_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)
Don’t thank me.
Dear Fran,
The “holocaust”, as you have described it above, is a monstrous lie. No less monstrous than the lies of human-skin lampshades and human-fat soap.
The victimisation of the Palestinian people by jews such as yourself is demonstrably real and ongoing!
No amount of jewish pilpul can undo or justify those facts on the ground!
Good day,
Kali.
I think maybe you’re too upset by this topic to read and absorb what I’ve said throughout these exchanges with you.
I am not upset by the subject matter of the Holocaust or the suffering of the Jews and non Jews, or what you said. I find your writing full of a false narrative. That is what I am upset about.
I have acknowleged that certainly those jews walled up in ghettos and those held in concentration camps must have suffered greatly. BUT that suffering was no greater than any other group targeted by NS policies, AND was much less than the suffering of the German people at the hands of the allies.
I have agree with you on this point like a thousand times. No one that I know is saying that Jewish suffering is unique, or special and that the German suffering was not equally or even more horrible that what happened to the Jews. I explained to you that no one in my family ever discussed the Holocaust. I never heard of the word Auschwitz until I was in college. I thought all of the Jews went to one “concentration camp” that was what we called it.
The money making and exaggerations of the Holocaust narrative are like any other narrative of victimization they are exaggerated and marketed. The most prime example is the Palestinian victimology which is completely fictitious. They have refused every offering given to them for their own state, and exaggerate their suffering as a marketing scheme to incriminate the Jews. But I digress.
Yes the Holocaust has been marketed, and no the Jews did not suffer more then other countries, and I suspect although I am not a student of poor war history the German suffering and the late bombings were torturous.
I do not know whether you are dense or just not able to understand the point about the Holocaust that I am trying to speak to. But let me just start with your comment.
The “holocaust narrative†is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT that has taken on religious proportions since its conception, which is used to justify all manner of egregeous behaviour by powerful jewish organisation, including the “jewish stateâ€, AND to grant jews political and social predominance throughout the west.
This is a diabolically false statement. You also have mentioned in other comments that the Holocaust narrative is false. So you are a Holocaust denier, which you sort of play a cat and mouse game with.
My only point regarding the Holocaust which is denied by Holocaust deniers, is that the Germans bureaucratically and with a designed system set out to eradicate the Jews from Europe, that would include men, women, and especially children, for they did not want another generation of Jews to seek revenge. This was a conscious plan, murdering European Jewry, through gassing and incineration.
This is the first time in the history of the world that one race designed a bureaucratic system to eliminate another race from the face of the earth. It is a new and inexplicable event. Inexplicable as the Germans were such an advance culture, and the killing and disposal of the bodies was so not so much horrid as just plain unbelievable. So people go about denying that it happened. It did happen.The German also used starvation as a slow means to destroy and murder Jewry. That was their plan that was their mission. Just listed to the Eichmann tape above. How in 1944 Eichmann was told to stop transporting 475,oo0 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz, to their death. But Eichmann was obsessed even as the war was ending to idealistically destroy European Jewry. Hungarians describe Eichmann running around the train stations to get people moving. Faster and faster. Eichmann was a site to behold. So 350,000 thousand Jews were murdered in the summer of 1944.
These are just facts. Nothing to do with suffering. They are facts that stager the mind as they involved just citizens not fighters. As I said the world witnessed a first, in the attempted genocide of the Jews and the bureaucracy surrounding it. Train logs, identification papers, rounding up Jews so they could not escape. etc.
You are entitled to your ideas about the Jews and their suffering, but you cannot get away with lying. These facts have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You once said that Anne Frank died in a hospital. Anne Frank did not die in a hospital. She died off in a tent like structure at Bergen- Belsen of Typhoid along with her sister Margot. Her mother died of starvation at Auschwitz. Otto Frank was the only surviving member of his family, or the hidden group in the attic.
I do not much care what you think of the Jews or their suffering. You cannot lie, and when you do I will answer back. You have absolutely no facts or clues, and have not studied what happened during the war in the countries occupied by the Germans.
Thanks for you correction on the definition of Anarchy. Regardless it is not a system that I respect or admire, for it does not reward people for work. No matter I am a capitalist. That is the system I believe in, as it has brought wealth, prosperity and health to more people than any other system in the world. I think the monetary system needs to be modified for various reasons, but it is still a system I believe in. Derivatives and markets need to be realigned.
Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers, which ultimately means a COOPERATIVE societies, made up of soverign individuals, households and communities, characterised by an ethos of mutual support for mutual benefit. Without which none would survive for long. Intelligent cooperation is the key to an anarchist system.
And, given all of that, another feature would be inclusivity, regardless of race, colour, creed or “identityâ€.
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This really bugs me kali, you say it often. You hate the self pity you think the Jews are full of. Not only you think the self pity is made up a lie. You feel sympathy for the Jewish self pity is undeserved, that everyone has experienced suffering. So why should Jewish suffering be elevated to a higher level. Like we are so special. THAT view point is not the argument, it is not based on facts, it is based on your perceptions.
In responce to your calling me “jew hater†in previous comments, I don’t hate jews, Fran, though I do detest self-pitty, including at the societal level. Life deals tough blows to us all. Transcending the impact of those blows brings us closer to God and closer to one another. At least, that’s my experience.
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Franny, jews are either ignorant of their history and character or plain evil if they are aware of it and continue to identify as a jew. I tend to think that you fall into the first category because if you are in the second then I am incredulous that anyone could present as you do while being part of an evil entity that has been and continues to be the cause of so much confusion and suffering in the world.
By the way, the land and property of those Japanese who were interned in the US during the war was stolen, and by jewish criminals, if I remember correctly. Perhaps someone in the commentariat can remember the details.
Do you seriously think the internment of the US citizens from Japan is comparable to what the Germans did to the Jews ? Firstly the US was fighting the country where the Japanese originated from, namely Japan who bombed Pearl Harbor. Japan who attacked the US. The Germans were not fighting a Jewish country, they were fighting many countries. Second: Did the US strip the interned Japanese of their US citizenship? Take their property, steel their belongings and ship them around the country in box cars like cattle?No comparison.
It should be noted that the United States put approximately 120,000 Japanese American civilians in camps during World War II. This is a similar policy to what Germany did to Jews during World War II.
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My response: The Germans had sent Jews to camps and ghettos throughout the war. The treatment of Hungarian Jews was consistent with this policy. You might read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184 for more explanation. Jews were viewed as a threat to the German war effort, so consequently they were put in camps and ghettos.Dang John, this is just deceitful and dishonest. The treatment of the Hungarian Jews was not consistent with German policy. You are correct Jews were rounded up and put into ghettoes because they were a threat to the Germans. The Germans stated that the Jews would then be transported to other transit camps as part of a resettlement program. Do I have that correct? Is that statement in keeping with the German policy?In 1944 the Hungarian Jews were already in ghettos. In 1944 there was no where to transport the Hungarian Jews because all of the transit camps were full, starving and the entire camp system was falling apart. Germany was loosing the war, so there was literally no place to put the Jews. Employable Jews, (what did Matogno count? 29,000 ) were transported as workers to help in the war effort. That is what Germany needed Jews who could work. But there were very very few Hungarian Jews that could work. We know that Butz's claim that only employable Jews were shipped to Auschwitz and other camps to be a lie, a provable lie. We can see by the Auschwitz Album that most of the Jews that were transported to Auschwitz, were non employable. They were sick, elderly and children transported from the safety of their ghettoes (in no way threatening the Germans). They were transported to open air situations, where there was no shelter, food or place to sleep. No room.When you are repeatedly asked this question of why did the Germans transport the Jews, you go right to the "no gassing", no murder. The 350,000 unregistered Jews were not murdered. They were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. But you do not know if there were other gases used to kill the Jews, Maybe CO2. Maybe another gas. All you know is that the Jews were not gassed with cyanide because a test was preformed in a crematorium and the color for cyanide did not show up. That is all you know. Really all you know. So you see what a lying dishonest article you wrote. It is not even historically accurate. It is propaganda. It is pure BS. Your fellow Revisionist, Matagno, Graff, and Rudolf, openly admit that they do not know what happened to the Hungarian Jews. Yet your article states "The real story". If you were honest you would have titled your article: No one knows the real story of what happened to the unregistered Hungarian Jews, but they were not murdered with cyanide gas. Because that is honestly all you know.You also mention that there was not enough crematorium space to incinerate all of the Jews that were supposedly murdered, and that there were no outdoor burning pits for humans, because of an arial photograph that on a specific day of outdoor burnings there was no smoke. The no smoke has been been proven to be false. There were photos of smoke and fire, that Rudolf claims was from a trash burning incinerator located near the crematorium. There are arial photographs showing smoke. So again saying that there is no proof of outdoor cremations is not accurate, or truthful. There exist 3 photographs taken by a Sonderkmmando inside of the gassing room, showing naked women running to the gassing room, and outdoor bodies burning. The photographs have been authenticated. The Fate of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau: The Real Story
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Franny wrote”…I find you remarkably dishonest, a blatant liar, a horrible historian. A crackpot writer, who cheats by using scribbles to create false narratives…”
Remarkably true for your tribe. You do suffer from the affliction of Transference and Projection.
Thanks for you correction on the definition of Anarchy. Regardless it is not a system that I respect or admire, for it does not reward people for work. No matter I am a capitalist. That is the system I believe in, as it has brought wealth, prosperity and health to more people than any other system in the world. I think the monetary system needs to be modified for various reasons, but it is still a system I believe in. Derivatives and markets need to be realigned.
Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers, which ultimately means a COOPERATIVE societies, made up of soverign individuals, households and communities, characterised by an ethos of mutual support for mutual benefit. Without which none would survive for long. Intelligent cooperation is the key to an anarchist system.
And, given all of that, another feature would be inclusivity, regardless of race, colour, creed or “identityâ€.
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This really bugs me kali, you say it often. You hate the self pity you think the Jews are full of. Not only you think the self pity is made up a lie. You feel sympathy for the Jewish self pity is undeserved, that everyone has experienced suffering. So why should Jewish suffering be elevated to a higher level. Like we are so special. THAT view point is not the argument, it is not based on facts, it is based on your perceptions.
In responce to your calling me “jew hater†in previous comments, I don’t hate jews, Fran, though I do detest self-pitty, including at the societal level. Life deals tough blows to us all. Transcending the impact of those blows brings us closer to God and closer to one another. At least, that’s my experience.
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Good morning Fran,
I think maybe you’re too upset by this topic to read and absorb what I’ve said throughout these exchanges with you.
I have acknowleged that certainly those jews walled up in ghettos and those held in concentration camps must have suffered greatly. BUT that suffering was no greater than any other group targeted by NS policies, AND was much less than the suffering of the German people at the hands of the allies.
The “holocaust narrative” is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT that has taken on religious proportions since its conception, which is used to justify all manner of egregeous behaviour by powerful jewish organisation, including the “jewish state”, AND to grant jews political and social predominance throughout the west.
I accept that your family suffered during the war, as did mine and tens of millions of others.
I don’t accept that jewish suffering was/is unique or special.
And I hate how desparately you cling to it. I do NOT hate YOU.
I hope that’s clear.
Best wishes,
Kali.
I am not upset by the subject matter of the Holocaust or the suffering of the Jews and non Jews, or what you said. I find your writing full of a false narrative. That is what I am upset about.
I think maybe you’re too upset by this topic to read and absorb what I’ve said throughout these exchanges with you.
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I have agree with you on this point like a thousand times. No one that I know is saying that Jewish suffering is unique, or special and that the German suffering was not equally or even more horrible that what happened to the Jews. I explained to you that no one in my family ever discussed the Holocaust. I never heard of the word Auschwitz until I was in college. I thought all of the Jews went to one "concentration camp" that was what we called it.The money making and exaggerations of the Holocaust narrative are like any other narrative of victimization they are exaggerated and marketed. The most prime example is the Palestinian victimology which is completely fictitious. They have refused every offering given to them for their own state, and exaggerate their suffering as a marketing scheme to incriminate the Jews. But I digress.
I have acknowleged that certainly those jews walled up in ghettos and those held in concentration camps must have suffered greatly. BUT that suffering was no greater than any other group targeted by NS policies, AND was much less than the suffering of the German people at the hands of the allies.
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This is a diabolically false statement. You also have mentioned in other comments that the Holocaust narrative is false. So you are a Holocaust denier, which you sort of play a cat and mouse game with.My only point regarding the Holocaust which is denied by Holocaust deniers, is that the Germans bureaucratically and with a designed system set out to eradicate the Jews from Europe, that would include men, women, and especially children, for they did not want another generation of Jews to seek revenge. This was a conscious plan, murdering European Jewry, through gassing and incineration. This is the first time in the history of the world that one race designed a bureaucratic system to eliminate another race from the face of the earth. It is a new and inexplicable event. Inexplicable as the Germans were such an advance culture, and the killing and disposal of the bodies was so not so much horrid as just plain unbelievable. So people go about denying that it happened. It did happen.The German also used starvation as a slow means to destroy and murder Jewry. That was their plan that was their mission. Just listed to the Eichmann tape above. How in 1944 Eichmann was told to stop transporting 475,oo0 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz, to their death. But Eichmann was obsessed even as the war was ending to idealistically destroy European Jewry. Hungarians describe Eichmann running around the train stations to get people moving. Faster and faster. Eichmann was a site to behold. So 350,000 thousand Jews were murdered in the summer of 1944.These are just facts. Nothing to do with suffering. They are facts that stager the mind as they involved just citizens not fighters. As I said the world witnessed a first, in the attempted genocide of the Jews and the bureaucracy surrounding it. Train logs, identification papers, rounding up Jews so they could not escape. etc.You are entitled to your ideas about the Jews and their suffering, but you cannot get away with lying. These facts have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. You once said that Anne Frank died in a hospital. Anne Frank did not die in a hospital. She died off in a tent like structure at Bergen- Belsen of Typhoid along with her sister Margot. Her mother died of starvation at Auschwitz. Otto Frank was the only surviving member of his family, or the hidden group in the attic. I do not much care what you think of the Jews or their suffering. You cannot lie, and when you do I will answer back. You have absolutely no facts or clues, and have not studied what happened during the war in the countries occupied by the Germans.
The “holocaust narrative†is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT that has taken on religious proportions since its conception, which is used to justify all manner of egregeous behaviour by powerful jewish organisation, including the “jewish stateâ€, AND to grant jews political and social predominance throughout the west.
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Thanks for you correction on the definition of Anarchy. Regardless it is not a system that I respect or admire, for it does not reward people for work. No matter I am a capitalist. That is the system I believe in, as it has brought wealth, prosperity and health to more people than any other system in the world. I think the monetary system needs to be modified for various reasons, but it is still a system I believe in. Derivatives and markets need to be realigned.
Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers, which ultimately means a COOPERATIVE societies, made up of soverign individuals, households and communities, characterised by an ethos of mutual support for mutual benefit. Without which none would survive for long. Intelligent cooperation is the key to an anarchist system.
And, given all of that, another feature would be inclusivity, regardless of race, colour, creed or “identityâ€.
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This really bugs me kali, you say it often. You hate the self pity you think the Jews are full of. Not only you think the self pity is made up a lie. You feel sympathy for the Jewish self pity is undeserved, that everyone has experienced suffering. So why should Jewish suffering be elevated to a higher level. Like we are so special. THAT view point is not the argument, it is not based on facts, it is based on your perceptions.
In responce to your calling me “jew hater†in previous comments, I don’t hate jews, Fran, though I do detest self-pitty, including at the societal level. Life deals tough blows to us all. Transcending the impact of those blows brings us closer to God and closer to one another. At least, that’s my experience.
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Good morning Fran,
I think maybe you’re too upset by this topic to read and absorb what I’ve said throughout these exchanges with you.
I have acknowleged that certainly those jews walled up in ghettos and those held in concentration camps must have suffered greatly. BUT that suffering was no greater than any other group targeted by NS policies, AND was much less than the suffering of the German people at the hands of the allies.
The “holocaust narrative” is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT that has taken on religious proportions since its conception, which is used to justify all manner of egregeous behaviour by powerful jewish organisation, including by the “jewish stA
Listen
1.11.01
Eichmann talks about the transporting of 475,000 Jews to Auschwitz. Himmler told him to cancel the transports because the war was over. He disobeyed orders because he fanatically thought that as an idealist it was his job to eradicate as many Jews as possible until the very end. He executed the Hungarian Jewish transports to Auschwitz like a man possessed. All those Jews murdered for what in 1944 was shear murder.
Sensless. Eichmann spoke about how vital it was to rid the world of the Jews as a mission.
Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers, which ultimately means a COOPERATIVE societies, made up of soverign individuals, households and communities, characterised by an ethos of mutual support for mutual benefit. Without which none would survive for long. Intelligent cooperation is the key to an anarchist system.
And, given all of that, another feature would be inclusivity, regardless of race, colour, creed or “identityâ€.
Thanks for you correction on the definition of Anarchy. Regardless it is not a system that I respect or admire, for it does not reward people for work. No matter I am a capitalist. That is the system I believe in, as it has brought wealth, prosperity and health to more people than any other system in the world. I think the monetary system needs to be modified for various reasons, but it is still a system I believe in. Derivatives and markets need to be realigned.
In responce to your calling me “jew hater†in previous comments, I don’t hate jews, Fran, though I do detest self-pitty, including at the societal level. Life deals tough blows to us all. Transcending the impact of those blows brings us closer to God and closer to one another. At least, that’s my experience.
This really bugs me kali, you say it often. You hate the self pity you think the Jews are full of. Not only you think the self pity is made up a lie. You feel sympathy for the Jewish self pity is undeserved, that everyone has experienced suffering. So why should Jewish suffering be elevated to a higher level. Like we are so special. THAT view point is not the argument, it is not based on facts, it is based on your perceptions.
The question before us is not about the amount of suffering it is about whether Jewish suffering actually took place. Like did the Holocaust as told happen? You are a Holocaust denier, you believe that the Holocaust was made up, that therefore Jewish suffering is made up. The fact that you conflate the two Jewish suffering vx. everyone else’s suffering. and that in fact the Jews never suffered at all is maddening. Make up your mind. Did the Jews suffer not so badly or did the Jews make the entirety of their suffering up? That we Jews invented the Holocaust to make the world feel sorry for us, as part of a conspiracy. Come clean with your ideas Kali.
People are not stupid to say that the Holocaust is fake ant that Jews never suffered is the ver definition of the Jews faking the Holocaust is the very definition of Jew hatred.You do not hate Jews?
It is also odd that you constantly want to reach out to me. Like if you show me how pernicious my suffering is compared to other peoples suffering, That if you could only show me where we Jews all went wrong. That if you could convince me that it is all just a scheme. That if I could let go of my suffering as being unique and special. That if I could only let it go and join the rest of the regular folk in the world, give up my uniqueness as a Jew, join the rest of humanity and not consider myself so special. You would great me with open arms, and I would be cured of Jewness. If only i would succumb to what you believe in.
As a child of a Holocaust surviving family, don.t you think that is asking a little bit too much? My family never spoke about their suffering never. Not a peep, the would have rather been Nazi’s then be Jewish victims. So really Kali are you talking to me? I am special? Not you? My family are liars and and you own the truth on suffering.
My family are liars, and made up the suffering they never talked about. Who the fuck do you think you are? Not a Jew hater, Not a believer in the Holocaust, not a believer in Jewish suffering. Wow just Wow.
Do you seriously think the internment of the US citizens from Japan is comparable to what the Germans did to the Jews ? Firstly the US was fighting the country where the Japanese originated from, namely Japan who bombed Pearl Harbor. Japan who attacked the US. The Germans were not fighting a Jewish country, they were fighting many countries. Second: Did the US strip the interned Japanese of their US citizenship? Take their property, steel their belongings and ship them around the country in box cars like cattle?No comparison.
It should be noted that the United States put approximately 120,000 Japanese American civilians in camps during World War II. This is a similar policy to what Germany did to Jews during World War II.
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My response: The Germans had sent Jews to camps and ghettos throughout the war. The treatment of Hungarian Jews was consistent with this policy. You might read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184 for more explanation. Jews were viewed as a threat to the German war effort, so consequently they were put in camps and ghettos.Dang John, this is just deceitful and dishonest. The treatment of the Hungarian Jews was not consistent with German policy. You are correct Jews were rounded up and put into ghettoes because they were a threat to the Germans. The Germans stated that the Jews would then be transported to other transit camps as part of a resettlement program. Do I have that correct? Is that statement in keeping with the German policy?In 1944 the Hungarian Jews were already in ghettos. In 1944 there was no where to transport the Hungarian Jews because all of the transit camps were full, starving and the entire camp system was falling apart. Germany was loosing the war, so there was literally no place to put the Jews. Employable Jews, (what did Matogno count? 29,000 ) were transported as workers to help in the war effort. That is what Germany needed Jews who could work. But there were very very few Hungarian Jews that could work. We know that Butz's claim that only employable Jews were shipped to Auschwitz and other camps to be a lie, a provable lie. We can see by the Auschwitz Album that most of the Jews that were transported to Auschwitz, were non employable. They were sick, elderly and children transported from the safety of their ghettoes (in no way threatening the Germans). They were transported to open air situations, where there was no shelter, food or place to sleep. No room.When you are repeatedly asked this question of why did the Germans transport the Jews, you go right to the "no gassing", no murder. The 350,000 unregistered Jews were not murdered. They were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. But you do not know if there were other gases used to kill the Jews, Maybe CO2. Maybe another gas. All you know is that the Jews were not gassed with cyanide because a test was preformed in a crematorium and the color for cyanide did not show up. That is all you know. Really all you know. So you see what a lying dishonest article you wrote. It is not even historically accurate. It is propaganda. It is pure BS. Your fellow Revisionist, Matagno, Graff, and Rudolf, openly admit that they do not know what happened to the Hungarian Jews. Yet your article states "The real story". If you were honest you would have titled your article: No one knows the real story of what happened to the unregistered Hungarian Jews, but they were not murdered with cyanide gas. Because that is honestly all you know.You also mention that there was not enough crematorium space to incinerate all of the Jews that were supposedly murdered, and that there were no outdoor burning pits for humans, because of an arial photograph that on a specific day of outdoor burnings there was no smoke. The no smoke has been been proven to be false. There were photos of smoke and fire, that Rudolf claims was from a trash burning incinerator located near the crematorium. There are arial photographs showing smoke. So again saying that there is no proof of outdoor cremations is not accurate, or truthful. There exist 3 photographs taken by a Sonderkmmando inside of the gassing room, showing naked women running to the gassing room, and outdoor bodies burning. The photographs have been authenticated. The Fate of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau: The Real Story
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You ask: “Do you seriously think the internment of the US citizens from Japan is comparable to what the Germans did to the Jews ?”
My response: Yes.
You write: “I find you remarkably dishonest, a blatant liar, a horrible historian. A crackpot writer, who cheats by using scribbles to create false narratives. I am really done communicating with you on UR.”
My response: I think we can mutually agree that we are done communicating with each other. Along with Fufu and Carolyn Yeager, I will not respond to any more of your comments.
Correction to my previous post, I ran out of editing time.
You used the information in the Auschwitz to corroborate what eyewitness testified to with regards to the selection process, like an honest historian would do. You should the sunshine boys the commanders that you feel were so maligned. You did not know that album existed until I showed it to you, you used the album falsely. The big Revisionist find the Auschwitz proof that non employable Jews were transported and that there was a selection process. No mention of that in your article on the Iconic Auschwitz Albumanother of your dishonest articles.
Correction.
You did not use the information in the Auschwitz Album to corroborate what the eyewitness testified about their transport conditions and the selection process upon arrival at Auschwitz. There are hundreds of eyewitness accounts stating what is shown in the albums. Am honest (non biased) historian would have mentioned those facts. Those photos show a lot towards proving the Holocaust story as told by witnesses.
You also check “thanks†or “agree†to the most precious Jew hater on UR. Yet you blithely post that “you have nothing against Jews†That “I do not hate Jewsâ€. You are the biggest Jew hater on here, you just don’t want to shout it, you want to hide it.
Correction.
You also check the “thanks” and “agree” buttons to the most pernicious Jew hatred by the most vile Jew haters on UR. yet you blithely post that “you do not hate ” Jews. You have posted ” I do not hate Jews”. You are the biggest Jew hater on UR, you just want to remain in the closet. In case the kitchen gets too hot. You do not want anyone coming for you. Right John? Play it safe.
John,
You are really proving to be a dishonest interlocker as well as a fake historian. I am not sure why, because it seems like you try. I just do not get it. I guess you are a fake person.
It should be noted that the United States put approximately 120,000 Japanese American civilians in camps during World War II. This is a similar policy to what Germany did to Jews during World War II.
Do you seriously think the internment of the US citizens from Japan is comparable to what the Germans did to the Jews ? Firstly the US was fighting the country where the Japanese originated from, namely Japan who bombed Pearl Harbor. Japan who attacked the US. The Germans were not fighting a Jewish country, they were fighting many countries. Second: Did the US strip the interned Japanese of their US citizenship? Take their property, steel their belongings and ship them around the country in box cars like cattle?
No comparison.
My response: The Germans had sent Jews to camps and ghettos throughout the war. The treatment of Hungarian Jews was consistent with this policy. You might read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184 for more explanation. Jews were viewed as a threat to the German war effort, so consequently they were put in camps and ghettos.
Dang John, this is just deceitful and dishonest. The treatment of the Hungarian Jews was not consistent with German policy. You are correct Jews were rounded up and put into ghettoes because they were a threat to the Germans. The Germans stated that the Jews would then be transported to other transit camps as part of a resettlement program. Do I have that correct? Is that statement in keeping with the German policy?
In 1944 the Hungarian Jews were already in ghettos. In 1944 there was no where to transport the Hungarian Jews because all of the transit camps were full, starving and the entire camp system was falling apart. Germany was loosing the war, so there was literally no place to put the Jews. Employable Jews, (what did Matogno count? 29,000 ) were transported as workers to help in the war effort. That is what Germany needed Jews who could work. But there were very very few Hungarian Jews that could work. We know that Butz’s claim that only employable Jews were shipped to Auschwitz and other camps to be a lie, a provable lie.
We can see by the Auschwitz Album that most of the Jews that were transported to Auschwitz, were non employable. They were sick, elderly and children transported from the safety of their ghettoes (in no way threatening the Germans). They were transported to open air situations, where there was no shelter, food or place to sleep. No room.
When you are repeatedly asked this question of why did the Germans transport the Jews, you go right to the “no gassing”, no murder. The 350,000 unregistered Jews were not murdered. They were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. But you do not know if there were other gases used to kill the Jews, Maybe CO2. Maybe another gas. All you know is that the Jews were not gassed with cyanide because a test was preformed in a crematorium and the color for cyanide did not show up. That is all you know. Really all you know. So you see what a lying dishonest article you wrote. It is not even historically accurate. It is propaganda. It is pure BS.
Your fellow Revisionist, Matagno, Graff, and Rudolf, openly admit that they do not know what happened to the Hungarian Jews. Yet your article states “The real story”. If you were honest you would have titled your article: No one knows the real story of what happened to the unregistered Hungarian Jews, but they were not murdered with cyanide gas. Because that is honestly all you know.
You also mention that there was not enough crematorium space to incinerate all of the Jews that were supposedly murdered, and that there were no outdoor burning pits for humans, because of an arial photograph that on a specific day of outdoor burnings there was no smoke. The no smoke has been been proven to be false. There were photos of smoke and fire, that Rudolf claims was from a trash burning incinerator located near the crematorium. There are arial photographs showing smoke. So again saying that there is no proof of outdoor cremations is not accurate, or truthful. There exist 3 photographs taken by a Sonderkmmando inside of the gassing room, showing naked women running to the gassing room, and outdoor bodies burning. The photographs have been authenticated.
The Fate of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau: The Real Story
BY JOHN WEAR · OCTOBER 14, 2022
You wrote another article that also consisted of a blatant, I mean gross lie and distortion. A knowing lie, because we uncovered the facts together.
EVENTS TODAY / HOLOCAUSTDECEMBER 15, 2022
The Holocaust Reparations Programs Cast Doubt on the Holocaust
The amount of Jews receiving reparations which you find so outrages in 2021, does not cast doubts on the Holocaust. Quite the opposite. You saw the paper work from the BEG. No reparations were given out to Jews unless the Jews proved the following; Birth certificate, if they were in a camp, they had to have proof of being there with their intake forms. If Jews were in a labor factory, like IG Farbien they had to have a work card, and complete documentation. If they were in a Ghetto they had to have a ghetto ID card.
You read that 1/3 of all applications for reparations tot he BEG were rejected. You also read that until 1970, reparations were given to Jews with proof of German birth and German citizenship, family house and address. You know this. You know that reparations were not phony. Maybe you think the number is bizarre, maybe you think the Germans paid too much. But the reparations program in no way cast doubt on the Holocaust.
You used the information in the Auschwitz to corroborate what eyewitness testified to with regards to the selection process, like an honest historian would do. You should the sunshine boys the commanders that you feel were so maligned. You did not know that album existed until I showed it to you, you used the album falsely. The big Revisionist find the Auschwitz proof that non employable Jews were transported and that there was a selection process. No mention of that in your article on the Iconic Auschwitz Albumanother of your dishonest articles.
You also check “thanks” or “agree” to the most precious Jew hater on UR. Yet you blithely post that “you have nothing against Jews” That “I do not hate Jews”. You are the biggest Jew hater on here, you just don’t want to shout it, you want to hide it.
I find you remarkably dishonest, a blatant liar, a horrible historian. A crackpot writer, who cheats by using scribbles to create false narratives. I am really done communicating with you on UR. I have wasted so much time trying to show you facts, that prove the Holocaust story. But you are not really interested in facts, it would ruin your Jew conspiracy, about both world wars and the Holocaust.
What a colossal waste of time you are.
After spending our late winter holidays in South Carolina for a number of years, I picked up a book on piracy.
What a fascinating read this was!
According to the author practically all colonial administrators, from the governor on down, subscribed to this racket by buying a piece of the action, a pirate ship and its captain, and waylay commercial shipping of any and all nations. Later on piracy was carried out against American shipping too.
As one wag had it: “Behind every great fortune is a great crime.”
That is a whataboutism, usually brought forth when there exist no real answer to the original question posed. Why in 1944 did the Germans inflict such suffering on the Hungarian Jewish civilian population by transporting them in circles around Europe, at great expense when the war was abut to end?
My response: The Allies shipped German children, women and other German civilians to camps and other destinations in Germany after the war. Probably a minimum of 2.1 million of these German expellees died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane†transfer.
The German dead do not tell the entire story of the tragedy that was inflicted on Germany after World War II. Millions of German women who had been repeatedly raped had to bear the physical and psychological scars for the rest of their lives. Millions of German expellees who lost all of their real estate and most of their personal property were never compensated by the Allies.
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Franny wrote: “…The tragedies inflicted on the German civilian population after the war were not executed by Jews,..”
Franny, you are stark raving mad to even suggest this! I suggest that all the ills that befell Germans and the German Nation was at the instigation of Jews. Bar none.
You Jews had your finger in every dirty pie in existence. There still are enough of your murderous tribe in existence in Israel who gloat about how many Germans they murdered after the war was over.
“…No big deal, those NS. Really nice folks…” Well, at least you got the last half of that statement right.
Here is the point you are missing Fufu. America is based on meritocracy, those who work hard and achieve excellence reap the rewards of their talent and energy. Unlike feudal aristocracies in previous centuries where rewards were granted to people by birth. People owned land, title and money by birthright. Then there are dictatorships who dispense the riches to whoever panders to their power. America is not like that. Many Jews rise to power in different areas because they work hard and are talented. Jews are also not monolithic and do not work together to achieve any sort of objective together that they believe in. Many Jews are anti zionist. etc. I am Jewish and I would like to see Alan Schiff be removed from the House and not allowed to run for the Senate, but I digress.Jews are very good bankers, because they have studied it for centuries, as it was one of the only job position the aristocracy or the church would allow them to be. They became good at it. But Jews do not have a fixed hold on the banking industry. Anyone can become a banker, anyone can become a hedge fund manager. It is open to the public, and many software asians are in banking because so much of it now ideas is computer generated. Wealth making wealth by computers. So you too can become a powerful banker like the Jews.The other really necessary quality of a good banker is liquidity. Anyone can invest, but it is the bakers that provide liquidity for start ups, investment, research, and inventors like Apple, and Amazon. Jewish bankers are especially know for their ability to provide liquidity, whether it is for infrastructure by floating bonds, or for an inventors. Bankers do not just make capitol for themselves, they provide capitol for other people to get rich that is the beauty of a good banker. I doubt Jeff Bezos banker is as rich as he is. Not saying he does bad, but bankers are what make the wheels turn. And Jewish bankers are the best at liquidity. Same with Elon Musk, some banker probably Jewish got him up and running. So when you boo hoo on the power of the Jews, you are boo booing success, for all of its flaws, America has brought more prosperity to the people than any other system. It has elevated the poor to middle class and the middle class to wealth. All because of hard work and talent. Nothing else.The Jews do not have gold dust sprinkled on them or apply nepotism when advancing people who work for them. If a Jewish banker has a lazy son, they are no longer in banking. Period.So who do you want to get rid of the Jews or the bankers. If the bankers were non Jewish would you be okay with that? The beauty of a Jew hatred thread based on anonymity is that the moment you all met and identified yourselves, you would eat each other up alive before you ever got to the Jews.Why? Because you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Jews make other people rich.
You can’t provide a single example of serious American initiative to regain control over its country in the last 100 years (100 years !!!).And you reject simple conclusion that the passivity of Americans made a banksters, Jews, MIC etc. so powerful.
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What is the main idea of anarchy?
In international relations theory, the concept of anarchy is the idea that the world lacks any supreme authority or sovereignty. In an anarchic state, there is no hierarchically superior, coercive power that can resolve disputes, enforce law, or order the system of international politics.�
As usual, the devil is in the details, and as usual, Franny ignores these lest they tarnish the polish she tries so hard to impart on Jewish “intelligence”.
Let’s start with this: What intelligent being dirties its own nest? Not even the robins that were hatched a little while ago next to my front door did this, and I checked this before I dismantled the nest after the fledglings had left. Jews do, that’s who! They destroy every society they were given permission to settle in. If that makes them intelligent, perhaps we need a better definition for intelligence.
That Jews are clever there can be no doubt. To wit, they convinced elected officials to permit Jewish bankers to conjure up money “out of thin air” and treat it like a commodity! That quote is from a USA federal reserve banker who was testifying in front of a government committee investigating that bank’s shenanigans, when asked where the bank’s money came from!
Even the commercial banks in your neighbourhood do this, by loaning out money they do not own or have rights to, but collecting interest thereon. Nice racket if you can get into it. Your friendly neighbourhood loan shark and credit union have no such rights. Neither does the life insurance company that may provide you with mortgage funds for your dwelling.
If law abiding citizens do this it is called counterfeiting and is most definitely illegal.
Then there are “naked shorts” whereby a seller of commercial paper sells these papers in the hope of buying them back at a lower price. This is called “short selling” and is acceptable provided the seller has acquired the right to this commercial paper by buying it or borrowing it.
The seller of “naked shorts” neither owns nor has any rights to the commercial paper he sold. This is called fraud and will land you in prison if you attempt this. Try selling a house or car you don’t own.
Then there are “credit default swaps” which are insurance policies extended on commercial paper in case their value drops. No problem here.
The difficulty arises when numerous organizations take out insurance policies on the identical commercial paper, ie. paper they do not own or have any other rights to.
This is like taking out life insurance policies on complete strangers, people you do not know and have no personal interest in. Ask your life insurance agent to see what he thinks of this.
So, Franny, you are wasting your time trying to convince us how intelligent Jews are. Clever crooks who can sell snake oil to the ignorant, agreed.
Ms. Taubman:
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“I only know what I see in front of me.”
I only “know” what I have witnessed in my 72 years on this earth and having been gainfully employed in an (honest) manner for over 45 years, working in the REAL WORLD. Also, by reading and studying REAL history, written by many intelligent authors.
I DO NOT go by what I see on television – I have not watched a complete television program in over 10 years. I also DO NOT go by what the newspapers or the various “news magazines” print. And I have completely discounted ALL of the so-called “history” that I was taught in school, history that was composed of complete fabrications, or half-truths at best.
I am very much indebted to authors such as Ron Unz, David Irving, L. Fletcher Prouty, John Wear, William K. Black, J.D., Ph.D., Webster Tarpley, Ph.D., David Ray Griffin, Ph.D., Antony Sutton, Ph.D. (now deceased) and even a few “Jewish” authors, such as Edwin Black, Nelson Lichtenstein, Ph.D. and Norman Finkelstein, Ph.D.
Thank you.
Oh, and I also detest dishonesty!
Here is the point you are missing Fufu. America is based on meritocracy, those who work hard and achieve excellence reap the rewards of their talent and energy. Unlike feudal aristocracies in previous centuries where rewards were granted to people by birth. People owned land, title and money by birthright. Then there are dictatorships who dispense the riches to whoever panders to their power. America is not like that. Many Jews rise to power in different areas because they work hard and are talented. Jews are also not monolithic and do not work together to achieve any sort of objective together that they believe in. Many Jews are anti zionist. etc. I am Jewish and I would like to see Alan Schiff be removed from the House and not allowed to run for the Senate, but I digress.Jews are very good bankers, because they have studied it for centuries, as it was one of the only job position the aristocracy or the church would allow them to be. They became good at it. But Jews do not have a fixed hold on the banking industry. Anyone can become a banker, anyone can become a hedge fund manager. It is open to the public, and many software asians are in banking because so much of it now ideas is computer generated. Wealth making wealth by computers. So you too can become a powerful banker like the Jews.The other really necessary quality of a good banker is liquidity. Anyone can invest, but it is the bakers that provide liquidity for start ups, investment, research, and inventors like Apple, and Amazon. Jewish bankers are especially know for their ability to provide liquidity, whether it is for infrastructure by floating bonds, or for an inventors. Bankers do not just make capitol for themselves, they provide capitol for other people to get rich that is the beauty of a good banker. I doubt Jeff Bezos banker is as rich as he is. Not saying he does bad, but bankers are what make the wheels turn. And Jewish bankers are the best at liquidity. Same with Elon Musk, some banker probably Jewish got him up and running. So when you boo hoo on the power of the Jews, you are boo booing success, for all of its flaws, America has brought more prosperity to the people than any other system. It has elevated the poor to middle class and the middle class to wealth. All because of hard work and talent. Nothing else.The Jews do not have gold dust sprinkled on them or apply nepotism when advancing people who work for them. If a Jewish banker has a lazy son, they are no longer in banking. Period.So who do you want to get rid of the Jews or the bankers. If the bankers were non Jewish would you be okay with that? The beauty of a Jew hatred thread based on anonymity is that the moment you all met and identified yourselves, you would eat each other up alive before you ever got to the Jews.Why? Because you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Jews make other people rich.
You can’t provide a single example of serious American initiative to regain control over its country in the last 100 years (100 years !!!).And you reject simple conclusion that the passivity of Americans made a banksters, Jews, MIC etc. so powerful.
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What is the main idea of anarchy?
In international relations theory, the concept of anarchy is the idea that the world lacks any supreme authority or sovereignty. In an anarchic state, there is no hierarchically superior, coercive power that can resolve disputes, enforce law, or order the system of international politics.�
Dear Fran,
Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers, which ultimately means a COOPERATIVE societies, made up of soverign individuals, households and communities, characterised by an ethos of mutual support for mutual benefit. Without which none would survive for long. Intelligent cooperation is the key to an anarchist system.
And, given all of that, another feature would be inclusivity, regardless of race, colour, creed or “identity”.
Certainly a localised economy in which local resources would be used for the benefit of local communities would naturally emerge, thuse saving resources and minimising environmental impact. – Though why you (or whomever you cut and pasted “your” comment from) imagine such a system would necessarily preclude trade between communities, including international trade, is beyond me.
In responce to your calling me “jew hater” in previous comments, I don’t hate jews, Fran, though I do detest self-pitty, including at the societal level. Life deals tough blows to us all. Transcending the impact of those blows brings us closer to God and closer to one another. At least, that’s my experience.
Best wishes,
Kali.
Thanks for you correction on the definition of Anarchy. Regardless it is not a system that I respect or admire, for it does not reward people for work. No matter I am a capitalist. That is the system I believe in, as it has brought wealth, prosperity and health to more people than any other system in the world. I think the monetary system needs to be modified for various reasons, but it is still a system I believe in. Derivatives and markets need to be realigned.
Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers, which ultimately means a COOPERATIVE societies, made up of soverign individuals, households and communities, characterised by an ethos of mutual support for mutual benefit. Without which none would survive for long. Intelligent cooperation is the key to an anarchist system.
And, given all of that, another feature would be inclusivity, regardless of race, colour, creed or “identityâ€.
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This really bugs me kali, you say it often. You hate the self pity you think the Jews are full of. Not only you think the self pity is made up a lie. You feel sympathy for the Jewish self pity is undeserved, that everyone has experienced suffering. So why should Jewish suffering be elevated to a higher level. Like we are so special. THAT view point is not the argument, it is not based on facts, it is based on your perceptions.
In responce to your calling me “jew hater†in previous comments, I don’t hate jews, Fran, though I do detest self-pitty, including at the societal level. Life deals tough blows to us all. Transcending the impact of those blows brings us closer to God and closer to one another. At least, that’s my experience.
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I should like to see a list of Germany’s sins.
As serious list please, with authenticated forensic evidence.
In all fairness I can think of only one and that is of debatable premise: Euthanizing individuals that had no chance of recovery from unconsciousness. This was so contentions with the German population that the government stopped this.
Imagine that, a “dictatorship” government complying with the peoples’ wishes.
I copy and paste a lot of information. But the above paragraph was not one of them.
Franny copied and pasted: “…Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity. …â€.
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Me thinks you are exhibit one of a psycho-sadistic personality disorder
Methinks Franny that you suffer from a very bad case of Transference or Projection, or both.
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Franny, your last paragraph describes your tribe and Israel to a tee!
Who else shoots 2 year old children and pregnant women?
Your tribe, that’s who!
I stand by my conclusion of Jewish transference and Projection.
Here is the point you are missing Fufu. America is based on meritocracy, those who work hard and achieve excellence reap the rewards of their talent and energy. Unlike feudal aristocracies in previous centuries where rewards were granted to people by birth. People owned land, title and money by birthright. Then there are dictatorships who dispense the riches to whoever panders to their power. America is not like that. Many Jews rise to power in different areas because they work hard and are talented. Jews are also not monolithic and do not work together to achieve any sort of objective together that they believe in. Many Jews are anti zionist. etc. I am Jewish and I would like to see Alan Schiff be removed from the House and not allowed to run for the Senate, but I digress.Jews are very good bankers, because they have studied it for centuries, as it was one of the only job position the aristocracy or the church would allow them to be. They became good at it. But Jews do not have a fixed hold on the banking industry. Anyone can become a banker, anyone can become a hedge fund manager. It is open to the public, and many software asians are in banking because so much of it now ideas is computer generated. Wealth making wealth by computers. So you too can become a powerful banker like the Jews.The other really necessary quality of a good banker is liquidity. Anyone can invest, but it is the bakers that provide liquidity for start ups, investment, research, and inventors like Apple, and Amazon. Jewish bankers are especially know for their ability to provide liquidity, whether it is for infrastructure by floating bonds, or for an inventors. Bankers do not just make capitol for themselves, they provide capitol for other people to get rich that is the beauty of a good banker. I doubt Jeff Bezos banker is as rich as he is. Not saying he does bad, but bankers are what make the wheels turn. And Jewish bankers are the best at liquidity. Same with Elon Musk, some banker probably Jewish got him up and running. So when you boo hoo on the power of the Jews, you are boo booing success, for all of its flaws, America has brought more prosperity to the people than any other system. It has elevated the poor to middle class and the middle class to wealth. All because of hard work and talent. Nothing else.The Jews do not have gold dust sprinkled on them or apply nepotism when advancing people who work for them. If a Jewish banker has a lazy son, they are no longer in banking. Period.So who do you want to get rid of the Jews or the bankers. If the bankers were non Jewish would you be okay with that? The beauty of a Jew hatred thread based on anonymity is that the moment you all met and identified yourselves, you would eat each other up alive before you ever got to the Jews.Why? Because you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Jews make other people rich.
You can’t provide a single example of serious American initiative to regain control over its country in the last 100 years (100 years !!!).And you reject simple conclusion that the passivity of Americans made a banksters, Jews, MIC etc. so powerful.
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What is the main idea of anarchy?
In international relations theory, the concept of anarchy is the idea that the world lacks any supreme authority or sovereignty. In an anarchic state, there is no hierarchically superior, coercive power that can resolve disputes, enforce law, or order the system of international politics.�
#1172 Fran Taubman
“Jews are very good bankers, because they have studied it for centuries, as it was one of the only job position the aristocracy or the church would allow them to be. “
Why Jews did nothing to create they own country for over 1700 years where they could be Jewish farmers, Jewish merchants, Jewish soldiers etc.?
It was II century when last time Jews fought for their own country (Bar Kokhba Uprising in 132-136 years).
It was XIX century when Jews “recalled” about their land in Palestine.
XIX – II = odd 1700 years.
BTW.
In meantime (XVI-XVIII cc.) Jews had chance to create their country somewhere in empty lands of Americas or something.
They didn’t do that. Why?
Why Jews didn’t fight for creation their own country for 1700 years ?
The conculsion is simple: Jews preferred to live among other nations. That has been their style of life.
You don’t want to see Jewish sins
just like Eric135 don’t want to see American sins
just like Nazi-fans (, @JW, @CY etc.) don’t want to see German’s sins.
Ms. Taubman,
I’m sorry that I addressed you in my previous post as “Mr.” Pardon me.
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“Because you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.”
My, my! Not very lady-like language there!
You really need to do some studying of American history. Most of the rich got that way by exploiting the lower classes of people, receiving preferential treatment from the government or via illegal and immoral means – drugs, war and, during Prohibition, alcohol.
As far as your hero Elon Musk is concerned, he never saw a government subsidy that he did not turn down. He has absolutely NO people skills – his automobile assembly plants have the highest injury rates of all of the assembly plants in the United States, as well as the lowest employee morale.
Your views on the stock market and the “financial industry” are absurd, in my opinion. The “financial “industry” is all about screwing people out of their money. They produce nothing except debt. They are leeches – parasites. SCUM.
I don’t know how old you are, but I just turned 72 years of age. In my lifetime, the United States has gone from being the world’s pre-eminent manufacturer and creditor nation to being the world’s largest importer and debtor nation. Our country has the “distinction” of having the world’s largest per-capita prison population and that includes China and Russia.
In recent years, we have had record numbers of personal and corporate bankruptcies as well as record numbers of homeless people. We have lost tens of thousands of factories and millions of good-paying jobs – so that the Jews and their WASP partners-in-crime can increase their collective net worth.
Henry Ford had Wall Street and the banks figured out to a “T.” And also the Jews.
It is just as the old saying goes – behind every fortune lies a crime.
Some people on Unz might “buy” your completely false diatribe, but I subscribe to none of it.
I work hard and I am successful. I have sponsored two European immigrants for green cards and they are US citizens. They came here with no language skills worked hard and are successful.
I only know what I see in front of me.
Mr. Taubman,
Quote:
“America is based on meritocracy, those who work hard and achieve excellence reap the rewards of their talent and energy.”
If you really believe that nonsense, I feel very sorry for you!
You can’t provide a single example of serious American initiative to regain control over its country in the last 100 years (100 years !!!).
And you reject simple conclusion that the passivity of Americans made a banksters, Jews, MIC etc. so powerful.
Here is the point you are missing Fufu. America is based on meritocracy, those who work hard and achieve excellence reap the rewards of their talent and energy. Unlike feudal aristocracies in previous centuries where rewards were granted to people by birth. People owned land, title and money by birthright. Then there are dictatorships who dispense the riches to whoever panders to their power.
America is not like that. Many Jews rise to power in different areas because they work hard and are talented. Jews are also not monolithic and do not work together to achieve any sort of objective together that they believe in. Many Jews are anti zionist. etc. I am Jewish and I would like to see Alan Schiff be removed from the House and not allowed to run for the Senate, but I digress.
Jews are very good bankers, because they have studied it for centuries, as it was one of the only job position the aristocracy or the church would allow them to be. They became good at it. But Jews do not have a fixed hold on the banking industry. Anyone can become a banker, anyone can become a hedge fund manager. It is open to the public, and many software asians are in banking because so much of it now ideas is computer generated. Wealth making wealth by computers. So you too can become a powerful banker like the Jews.
The other really necessary quality of a good banker is liquidity. Anyone can invest, but it is the bakers that provide liquidity for start ups, investment, research, and inventors like Apple, and Amazon. Jewish bankers are especially know for their ability to provide liquidity, whether it is for infrastructure by floating bonds, or for an inventors. Bankers do not just make capitol for themselves, they provide capitol for other people to get rich that is the beauty of a good banker. I doubt Jeff Bezos banker is as rich as he is. Not saying he does bad, but bankers are what make the wheels turn. And Jewish bankers are the best at liquidity. Same with Elon Musk, some banker probably Jewish got him up and running.
So when you boo hoo on the power of the Jews, you are boo booing success, for all of its flaws, America has brought more prosperity to the people than any other system. It has elevated the poor to middle class and the middle class to wealth. All because of hard work and talent. Nothing else.The Jews do not have gold dust sprinkled on them or apply nepotism when advancing people who work for them. If a Jewish banker has a lazy son, they are no longer in banking. Period.
So who do you want to get rid of the Jews or the bankers. If the bankers were non Jewish would you be okay with that? The beauty of a Jew hatred thread based on anonymity is that the moment you all met and identified yourselves, you would eat each other up alive before you ever got to the Jews.
Why? Because you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Jews make other people rich.
Now TV a commentator on here wants to limit the power of Talmudic Jews. WTF does that mean. Others on here want to limit the power of Zionist Jews, presumably those who support Israel. Also a non starter. Kali is an anarchist. Do you know what they believe? Do you believe in this definition. I suppose Kali thinks that if Jewish power can be eliminated the end of us would come quicker.
My advice to you Fufu and to Eric, is to become a hedge fund manager. You can get classes on line and it takes very little capitol to get started. Or do you prefer a Jew hater who promotes this. The rest of the boys on this site are playing video games called “get the Jew”. Not very serious folks, who would impact America.
Anarchy, anarchist:
What is the main idea of anarchy?
In international relations theory, the concept of anarchy is the idea that the world lacks any supreme authority or sovereignty. In an anarchic state, there is no hierarchically superior, coercive power that can resolve disputes, enforce law, or order the system of international politics.
What is the anarchist position?
Anarchism is a belief that society should have no government, laws, police, or any other authority. Having that belief is perfectly legal, and the majority of anarchists in the U.S. advocate change through non-violent, non-criminal means.
#1160 Eric135
“I gave you the answer. It’s just not the answer you want. “
You can’t provide a single example of serious American initiative to regain control over its country in the last 100 years (100 years !!!).
And you reject simple conclusion that the passivity of Americans made a banksters, Jews, MIC etc. so powerful.
And you are wondering why there is a rising anger at boomers (90% of American old people, 10% of old people are still sane- they aren’t “boomers”).
90% of old American people (“Boomers”) who for 40-50 years of their active live did nothing to stop Jews, corporations, banks and other sinister organizations.
I’m not so smart like you, but at least I’m not coward like you and I can accept truth (even if it’s unpleasant for me).
Go back to your Eric135’s Wonderland where Nazi Germans are innocent, boomers did nothing wrong, everybody is wrong except you, and whatever your imagination has created.
Here is the point you are missing Fufu. America is based on meritocracy, those who work hard and achieve excellence reap the rewards of their talent and energy. Unlike feudal aristocracies in previous centuries where rewards were granted to people by birth. People owned land, title and money by birthright. Then there are dictatorships who dispense the riches to whoever panders to their power. America is not like that. Many Jews rise to power in different areas because they work hard and are talented. Jews are also not monolithic and do not work together to achieve any sort of objective together that they believe in. Many Jews are anti zionist. etc. I am Jewish and I would like to see Alan Schiff be removed from the House and not allowed to run for the Senate, but I digress.Jews are very good bankers, because they have studied it for centuries, as it was one of the only job position the aristocracy or the church would allow them to be. They became good at it. But Jews do not have a fixed hold on the banking industry. Anyone can become a banker, anyone can become a hedge fund manager. It is open to the public, and many software asians are in banking because so much of it now ideas is computer generated. Wealth making wealth by computers. So you too can become a powerful banker like the Jews.The other really necessary quality of a good banker is liquidity. Anyone can invest, but it is the bakers that provide liquidity for start ups, investment, research, and inventors like Apple, and Amazon. Jewish bankers are especially know for their ability to provide liquidity, whether it is for infrastructure by floating bonds, or for an inventors. Bankers do not just make capitol for themselves, they provide capitol for other people to get rich that is the beauty of a good banker. I doubt Jeff Bezos banker is as rich as he is. Not saying he does bad, but bankers are what make the wheels turn. And Jewish bankers are the best at liquidity. Same with Elon Musk, some banker probably Jewish got him up and running. So when you boo hoo on the power of the Jews, you are boo booing success, for all of its flaws, America has brought more prosperity to the people than any other system. It has elevated the poor to middle class and the middle class to wealth. All because of hard work and talent. Nothing else.The Jews do not have gold dust sprinkled on them or apply nepotism when advancing people who work for them. If a Jewish banker has a lazy son, they are no longer in banking. Period.So who do you want to get rid of the Jews or the bankers. If the bankers were non Jewish would you be okay with that? The beauty of a Jew hatred thread based on anonymity is that the moment you all met and identified yourselves, you would eat each other up alive before you ever got to the Jews.Why? Because you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Jews make other people rich.
You can’t provide a single example of serious American initiative to regain control over its country in the last 100 years (100 years !!!).And you reject simple conclusion that the passivity of Americans made a banksters, Jews, MIC etc. so powerful.
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What is the main idea of anarchy?
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That is a whataboutism, usually brought forth when there exist no real answer to the original question posed. Why in 1944 did the Germans inflict such suffering on the Hungarian Jewish civilian population by transporting them in circles around Europe, at great expense when the war was abut to end?
My response: The Allies shipped German children, women and other German civilians to camps and other destinations in Germany after the war. Probably a minimum of 2.1 million of these German expellees died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane†transfer.
The German dead do not tell the entire story of the tragedy that was inflicted on Germany after World War II. Millions of German women who had been repeatedly raped had to bear the physical and psychological scars for the rest of their lives. Millions of German expellees who lost all of their real estate and most of their personal property were never compensated by the Allies.
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You ask: “Why in 1944 did the Germans inflict such suffering on the Hungarian Jewish civilian population by transporting them in circles around Europe, at great expense when the war was abut to end?”
My response: The Germans had sent Jews to camps and ghettos throughout the war. The treatment of Hungarian Jews was consistent with this policy. You might read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184 for more explanation. Jews were viewed as a threat to the German war effort, so consequently they were put in camps and ghettos.
It should be noted that the United States put approximately 120,000 Japanese American civilians in camps during World War II. This is a similar policy to what Germany did to Jews during World War II.
Do you seriously think the internment of the US citizens from Japan is comparable to what the Germans did to the Jews ? Firstly the US was fighting the country where the Japanese originated from, namely Japan who bombed Pearl Harbor. Japan who attacked the US. The Germans were not fighting a Jewish country, they were fighting many countries. Second: Did the US strip the interned Japanese of their US citizenship? Take their property, steel their belongings and ship them around the country in box cars like cattle?No comparison.
It should be noted that the United States put approximately 120,000 Japanese American civilians in camps during World War II. This is a similar policy to what Germany did to Jews during World War II.
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My response: The Germans had sent Jews to camps and ghettos throughout the war. The treatment of Hungarian Jews was consistent with this policy. You might read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184 for more explanation. Jews were viewed as a threat to the German war effort, so consequently they were put in camps and ghettos.Dang John, this is just deceitful and dishonest. The treatment of the Hungarian Jews was not consistent with German policy. You are correct Jews were rounded up and put into ghettoes because they were a threat to the Germans. The Germans stated that the Jews would then be transported to other transit camps as part of a resettlement program. Do I have that correct? Is that statement in keeping with the German policy?In 1944 the Hungarian Jews were already in ghettos. In 1944 there was no where to transport the Hungarian Jews because all of the transit camps were full, starving and the entire camp system was falling apart. Germany was loosing the war, so there was literally no place to put the Jews. Employable Jews, (what did Matogno count? 29,000 ) were transported as workers to help in the war effort. That is what Germany needed Jews who could work. But there were very very few Hungarian Jews that could work. We know that Butz's claim that only employable Jews were shipped to Auschwitz and other camps to be a lie, a provable lie. We can see by the Auschwitz Album that most of the Jews that were transported to Auschwitz, were non employable. They were sick, elderly and children transported from the safety of their ghettoes (in no way threatening the Germans). They were transported to open air situations, where there was no shelter, food or place to sleep. No room.When you are repeatedly asked this question of why did the Germans transport the Jews, you go right to the "no gassing", no murder. The 350,000 unregistered Jews were not murdered. They were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. But you do not know if there were other gases used to kill the Jews, Maybe CO2. Maybe another gas. All you know is that the Jews were not gassed with cyanide because a test was preformed in a crematorium and the color for cyanide did not show up. That is all you know. Really all you know. So you see what a lying dishonest article you wrote. It is not even historically accurate. It is propaganda. It is pure BS. Your fellow Revisionist, Matagno, Graff, and Rudolf, openly admit that they do not know what happened to the Hungarian Jews. Yet your article states "The real story". If you were honest you would have titled your article: No one knows the real story of what happened to the unregistered Hungarian Jews, but they were not murdered with cyanide gas. Because that is honestly all you know.You also mention that there was not enough crematorium space to incinerate all of the Jews that were supposedly murdered, and that there were no outdoor burning pits for humans, because of an arial photograph that on a specific day of outdoor burnings there was no smoke. The no smoke has been been proven to be false. There were photos of smoke and fire, that Rudolf claims was from a trash burning incinerator located near the crematorium. There are arial photographs showing smoke. So again saying that there is no proof of outdoor cremations is not accurate, or truthful. There exist 3 photographs taken by a Sonderkmmando inside of the gassing room, showing naked women running to the gassing room, and outdoor bodies burning. The photographs have been authenticated. The Fate of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau: The Real Story
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Correction.You did not use the information in the Auschwitz Album to corroborate what the eyewitness testified about their transport conditions and the selection process upon arrival at Auschwitz. There are hundreds of eyewitness accounts stating what is shown in the albums. Am honest (non biased) historian would have mentioned those facts. Those photos show a lot towards proving the Holocaust story as told by witnesses.
You used the information in the Auschwitz to corroborate what eyewitness testified to with regards to the selection process, like an honest historian would do. You should the sunshine boys the commanders that you feel were so maligned. You did not know that album existed until I showed it to you, you used the album falsely. The big Revisionist find the Auschwitz proof that non employable Jews were transported and that there was a selection process. No mention of that in your article on the Iconic Auschwitz Albumanother of your dishonest articles.
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Correction.You also check the "thanks" and "agree" buttons to the most pernicious Jew hatred by the most vile Jew haters on UR. yet you blithely post that "you do not hate " Jews. You have posted " I do not hate Jews". You are the biggest Jew hater on UR, you just want to remain in the closet. In case the kitchen gets too hot. You do not want anyone coming for you. Right John? Play it safe.
You also check “thanks†or “agree†to the most precious Jew hater on UR. Yet you blithely post that “you have nothing against Jews†That “I do not hate Jewsâ€. You are the biggest Jew hater on here, you just don’t want to shout it, you want to hide it.
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My response: The Allies shipped German children, women and other German civilians to camps and other destinations in Germany after the war. Probably a minimum of 2.1 million of these German expellees died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane†transfer.
The German dead do not tell the entire story of the tragedy that was inflicted on Germany after World War II. Millions of German women who had been repeatedly raped had to bear the physical and psychological scars for the rest of their lives. Millions of German expellees who lost all of their real estate and most of their personal property were never compensated by the Allies.
That is a whataboutism, usually brought forth when there exist no real answer to the original question posed. Why in 1944 did the Germans inflict such suffering on the Hungarian Jewish civilian population by transporting them in circles around Europe, at great expense when the war was abut to end?
The tragedies inflicted on the German civilian population after the war were not executed by Jews, in retaliation, but by other Eastern European countires, especially the slavic countries who according to Germany’s racial superiority ladder were one step above the Jews. They viewed the Slavs as future slaves to the pure German culture.
No big deal, those NS. Really nice folks.
Franny copied and pasted: “…Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity. …â€.
I copy and paste a lot of information. But the above paragraph was not one of them.
Methinks Franny that you suffer from a very bad case of Transference or Projection, or both.
Me thinks you are exhibit one of a psycho-sadistic personality disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder
Your quote:
I believe that Germany was quite lenient on the Jews what with that declaration of war. Before you table your claptrap that it “wasn’t a real war because Judeans had no armyâ€, etc., there are numerous other ways to wage war.
Subtype Description Personality traits
Spineless sadism Including avoidant features Insecure, bogus, and cowardly; venomous dominance and cruelty is counterphobic; weakness counteracted by group support; public swaggering; selects powerless scapegoats.
Really, one doesn’t even need to read the article, merely glance through some of Franny’s comments, to realise that it is near impossible to have an intelligent conversation with a jew.
It is interesting to contemplate ChatGPT’s response for an essay that would convince someone like Franny that the holohoax was nothing but a kyke scam to extort riches and obesience.
Mmm. You’re not very bright, are you? Pity.
“No, you didn’t.”
Yes, I did.
I gave you the answer. It’s just not the answer you want.
Too bad.
I’m not here to cater to your delusions.
I expect you to be logical, and serious about the German war effort. You are a historian. When studying the transport of the Hungarian Jews in the summer of 1944, you have to have context. Context is everything. Otherwise we are just guessing. And what is the point of just guessing? Everything about the war effort has been sorted out and discussed. Germany's actions were deliberate, they had plans and reasons for all of their war actions.. If the unregistered Jews were transported to another camp, wouldn't the Germans have kept records of the transports and where the Jews went? For no other reason other than to prove that they were not murdered. They could have faked the documentation but they never did. The Germans never provided proof of what happened to the unregistered Jews, and it is not unreasonable to think that they murdered since they were last seen at a crematorium where dead people are cremated. There is a bit of logic in that idea. Where are the documents of transfers (of the Jews) from Auschwitz to other locations?Other German operations are explained with impeccable logic. The reason they invaded Hungary in 1944 was to avoid Hungary aligning itself with the allies, but the war was going very badly for Germany, the soviets were on the march, and resignation was setting in that the Germans might lose the war, especially with Hitler's advanced Parkinson's disease, aging him two fold, his tremors and shaking, and his inability at the end to make rational choices that would better serve Germany and it's people. Hitler was full of fantasy about a super weapon coming to change his fortunes. In the end Hitlers war decisions were disastrous for Germany. Which is why the assignation attempts. If Hitler had settled on a disarmament plan and negotiated he could have saved Germany the utter devastation that was wrought upon it. Hitler was a sick man physically and psychologically.So again I am asking that given the context of the war effort in 1944. What was the logic in transporting at great logistics and expense 475,000 mostly non employable Jews to Auschwitz? It would seem such a burden on the limited resources to transport the old, the sick and children. Do you see any logic in the actions? Any rational reasons.Would it not have made more sense to transport only the Jews capable of helping with the war effort, the employable Jews, and leave the children, the sick and the elderly in their ghettoes in Hungary? Why did the international community insist Horthly halt the transportations, threatening war crimes if the transports were not stopped. What were the war crimes the international community was talking about? You must have some conjecture, some explaination other than they were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz, therefore they must be alive somewhere. Can you understand how unsatisfactory your responses are in the context and logic of the German situation in 1944. I also wanted to wish you a Mazel Tov on your new UR article on the central park bird watcher, who was not so innocent, and had harassed and threatened dog walkers before, and how this woman lost her job etc. It was a good argument. I would like to encourage you to write on other subjects other then Holocaust revisionism which as this post proves, is deader than a door mat. No one can answer logically not only what happened to the Hungarian Jews, but more importantly why they were shipped to Auschwitz to begin with. H denial is dead, finished, and is only discussed seriously by the mentally deranged and Jew haters that cannot face the fact that the Germans were obsessed with destroying European Jewry. Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity.Replies: @John Wear, @HdC
You ask: “My point is why transfer them at all.â€My response: What am I supposed to present to you? Do you want a specific German document stating why the Germans transferred the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? I doubt if one exists.
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Franny copied and pasted: “…Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity. …”.
“No written order”. You are truly insane (Too many fumes from brazing and silver soldering!) to assert that your alleged gasings and cremations had taken place without written orders.
Anyone who knows a thing or two about project management or, a little thing like home renovation, knows that NOTHING happens without written orders, plans, drawings, budgets, and endless meetings.
Methinks Franny that you suffer from a very bad case of Transference or Projection, or both.
Repeating endlessly the rubbish of your sick tribe does not change that.
You keep repeating that holocost denial is dead. In your dreams! Why do you think that every 2-bit politician is doing his best to get laws passed to stop this this denial/questioning?
It’s because people are waking up and no longer believe the lies they have been told about WWII and Germany.
I copy and paste a lot of information. But the above paragraph was not one of them.
Franny copied and pasted: “…Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity. …â€.
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Me thinks you are exhibit one of a psycho-sadistic personality disorder
Methinks Franny that you suffer from a very bad case of Transference or Projection, or both.
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You write: “What they did minus murder is a war crime, shipping old sick and children civilians to camps is against the rules of war.”
My response: The Allies shipped German children, women and other German civilians to camps and other destinations in Germany after the war. Probably a minimum of 2.1 million of these German expellees died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane†transfer.
The German dead do not tell the entire story of the tragedy that was inflicted on Germany after World War II. Millions of German women who had been repeatedly raped had to bear the physical and psychological scars for the rest of their lives. Millions of German expellees who lost all of their real estate and most of their personal property were never compensated by the Allies.
Please read my comments #1096, 1097, 1114, and 1115 on this discussion thread for more detailed information about the fate of the German expellees after the war.
That is a whataboutism, usually brought forth when there exist no real answer to the original question posed. Why in 1944 did the Germans inflict such suffering on the Hungarian Jewish civilian population by transporting them in circles around Europe, at great expense when the war was abut to end?
My response: The Allies shipped German children, women and other German civilians to camps and other destinations in Germany after the war. Probably a minimum of 2.1 million of these German expellees died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane†transfer.
The German dead do not tell the entire story of the tragedy that was inflicted on Germany after World War II. Millions of German women who had been repeatedly raped had to bear the physical and psychological scars for the rest of their lives. Millions of German expellees who lost all of their real estate and most of their personal property were never compensated by the Allies.
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#1160 Eric135
““Why Americans did nothing in the last 100 year to diminish Jewish power in USA?â€
I’ve already answered this question.”
No, you didn’t.
I asked you simple question:
why people armed to the teeth in constitutional rights (freedom of speech, free elections) and weapons allowed to take control of they country by Jews (and corporations, and military complex …)?
And they did nothing to take it back for over 100 years?
The answer is:
American people are main problem.
American society is ill. But pretend to be healthy.
Passivity of average Americans is a problem for world.
Americans sell themselves to Jews, corporations etc. for egoisitic comfort.
Allow Americans make money and they don’t care about anything else- they don’t care what is going on in wide word, they don’t care about society, they don’t care about next generations, they don’t care that these money are earned in immoral way…
Jews, Masonry, … they are problem but they are successful because average Americans did nothing to stop them although they have many tools to do that.
Fufu,
I am not the least bit angry. I do vote for our county office holders. Here in the county of my newly acquired residence in Tennessee, our county government is top-notch. Just the opposite of what I had back in Illinois.
I am glad you are writing articles on other topics, other than the Holocaust. Anyone with a brain and a little common sense, who is not a Jew hater will find your response completely illogical and irrational.
Oh like the Germans, out of weapons and ammunition, and low on food for their troops and citizens, decide to transport 475,000 mostly unemployable Jews to Auschwitz and other locations and points unknown, just cause. Like the Germans wanted to give the Jews a sightseeing tour of Poland and Eastern Europe. They wanted to see how many could survive the journey so we can talk about how many Jews survived.
in 1944 there were 800,000 Jewish citizens of Hungary. How do we know this? Because that is how many Jews the Germans rounded up into Ghettoes. How many were left when Hungary was liberated from German occupation? 200,000. How do we know this? Only 200,000 could be identified or reported to DP camps or were found by missing relatives. The rest are somewhere, places unknown. Many of those missing are small children, disabled and old people. No other country has claimed immigration of these missing Jews.
The Germans sent 475,000 Jews sight seeing in 1944 because they had nothing better to do with their money or time then send the Jews on a tour, to see how many could survive the train rides.
Like I said John other than the Jew haters on this side who are borderline psycho-sadist would finding the idea of sending so many Jews to so many places for no apparent reason sort of ridiculous. I am glad you are writing other articles.
Like why transport the Jews in 1944 to nowhere? What they did minus murder is a war crime, shipping old sick and children civilians to camps is against the rules of war.
“Why Americans don’t want to see the problem … ?”
It’s not a matter of “wanting”. It’s a matter of thinking there isn’t any problem.
“Why Americans did nothing in the last 100 year to diminish Jewish power in USA?”
I’ve already answered this question.
I’m still waiting to hear why you don’t like boomers.
#1153 Eric135
I don’t live in USA and I’m not American (fortunatelly? who knows…).
“Most Americans haven’t connected the dots and seen the Jewish elephant in the room. “
Why Americans don’t want to see the problem althought they have freedom of speech?
Maybe Americans don’t want to see the problem?
Why Americans did nothing in the last 100 year to diminish Jewish power in USA?
Remember that we are talking about USA – country full of freedom(s).
BTW.
I think good start for average American is list of simple steps in
comment #1133 of .
I hope will not be angry if I summarize it as:
“only bank at a member-owned credit union”,
don’t play in stock market,
no debt or minimize debt,
don’t buy in big stores,
“buy localâ€,
don’t vote (but I disagree with this one).
I can add:
don’t vote on candidates sponsored by Jews,
don’t use Jewish media i.e. don’t watch movies made in Hollywood, don’t advertise in MSM etc..
That wasn't would I asked you. I did not ask about murdering. I asked what context, what pretense, what reason did the Germans send 475,000 unemployable Jews to camps where there was no room for them. What was the German logic. Also no German or Hungarian high command has ever claimed the Jews were transported to other camps and the documents were destroyed. On further transports of Jews from Auschwitz? Crickets. You need to over a context a rational, a reason. Butz said Jews were transported to help in the war effort and that only employable Jews were transported. We have proven that to be false, from the Auschwitz album.My response: You repeatedly keep asking this question. It proves absolutely nothing.It means everything. It means the world. It is the very essence of the failure of Holocaust Revisionism. Everyone can only think of one reason that Eichmann spent all of his resources in transporting a bunch of useless Jews to Auschwitz. If you cannot answer the question it proves that Holocaust Revisionism is a scam. You cannot claim anything, because you do not know anything. You can claim that they were starting a farm to grow food, and they transported all the Jews to help in the farm effort and they had uses for the children and older people that could help. But that is not the case, you have no reason, because the Germans had no reason to transport them. There is no existing rational reason to transport those Jews to Auschwitz at brake neck speed, to never be seen again.You must answer the question. Do you think people are stupid? My dog ran away. My dog was found dead. My dog was hit by a car. But there were no cars in the area, therefor my dog could not have been hit by a car. My dog is dead with tire marks across his dead body. But there were no cars, photo evidence shows no cars.My dog is dead.Replies: @John Wear
These alternatives would have been much quicker and easier than transferring the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau. The Germans probably would have used these options if they had wanted to mass murder the Hungarian Jews. However, the Hungarian Jews were not mass murdered. Instead, they were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, where many of them were later transferred to other camps.�
You write: “You need to over (sic) a context a rational, a reason. Butz said Jews were transported to help in the war effort and that only employable Jews were transported. We have proven that to be false, from the Auschwitz album.”
My response: Dr. Arthur Butz published his book “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century” in 1976. He was later proven wrong on this issue. Disabled and unemployable Jews had, however, always been sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Sending disabled and unemployable Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau was a continuation of this policy.
The Holocaust story claims that virtually all Jews who were too sick to work were immediately killed. The documentary evidence, however, indicates that a high percentage of the inmates at Birkenau were disabled. Oswald Pohl, in a secret report to Heinrich Himmler dated April 5, 1944, stated that there were 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz-Birkenau camp complex, of which 18,000 were unable to work. In Birkenau there was a total of 36,000 inmates, of whom “approximately 15,000 are unable to work.†(Source: Nuremberg document NO-021, NMT (The “green seriesâ€), Vol. 5, pp. 384-385).
Such high percentages of disabled inmates at Auschwitz-Birkenau are not consistent with a program of mass extermination.
Some Jewish eyewitnesses have also testified in court that there was not an extermination program of Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
For example, Ditlieb Felderer, a revisionist researcher of Jewish descent, testified at the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial that he had conducted 27 separate visits to Auschwitz, where he snapped more than 30,000 color photographs, took soil samples, and conducted infra-red analysis of rooms and buildings. He examined the camp from top to bottom, and sneaked into areas which were off limits to tourists. However, none of Felderer’s photographs was permitted to be offered as evidence by the judge in Zündel’s trial.
Felderer testified that the real Zyklon-B rooms at Auschwitz were delousing chambers. These facilities were designed to save lives by fighting typhus through the fumigation of bedding and clothing. He said that faked or reconstructed exhibits were placed on the guided Auschwitz tour. These fake exhibits included the infamous “execution wall,†which Felderer discovered did not have any bullet holes in the wall. Felderer described Auschwitz as it is now portrayed as being a “Hollywood set†which carries on Zionist and communist propaganda. (Source: Rudolf, Germar (ed.), The First Zündel Trial: The Court Transcript of the Canadian “False News†Trial of Ernst Zündel, 1985, Uckfield, UK: Castle Hill Publishers, 2020, pp. 521-533).
Joseph G. Burg, a Jewish author who wrote several books on the Holocaust story, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that he had spoken to hundreds of people who had been at Auschwitz-Birkenau when he visited the camp in the fall of 1945. Burg formed the opinion that there were no German extermination camps, the gas chambers had never existed, and there was no plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe.
Joseph Burg also testified at the 1988 Zündel trial that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria, but he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers. Burg testified that the crematoria had been established for hygienic purposes as a result of typhus and other diseases. Burg also testified that he attended the Nuremberg trials in 1946 and met Ilya Ehrenburg, who had visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, as well as a Jewish publisher who had been interned in Auschwitz for several years. Both Ehrenburg and the Jewish publisher said they did not see any homicidal gas chambers while at Auschwitz-Birkenau. (Source: Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News†Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p., pp. 259-262).
You write: “You must answer the question. Do you think people are stupid?”
My question is: Why have so many Jews been caught lying about their experiences in the German camps?
For example, Viktor Frankl’s book “Man’s Search for Meaning” has been ranked by the Library of Congress as one of the 20th century’s 10 most influential books in the United States. Frankl described his experiences at Auschwitz in this book as if he had spent many months there. In reality, Frankl was in Auschwitz only for a few days in October 1944 while in transit from Theresienstadt to a sub-camp of Dachau.
Frankl admitted this to the American evangelist Robert Schuller: “I was in Auschwitz only three or four days…I was sent to a barrack and we were all transported to a camp in Bavaria.†Frankl’s short time in Auschwitz is substantiated by the prisoner log from the sub-camp of Dachau, Kaufering III, which listed Frankl’s arrival on October 25, 1944, six days after his departure from Theresienstadt. (Source: Pytell, Timothy, “Extreme Experience, Psychological Insight, and Holocaust Perception; Reflections of Bettelheim and Frankl,†Psychoanalytic Psychology, Vol. 24, No. 4, Oct. 2007, p. 646). Thus, Frankl’s descriptions of his long stay at Auschwitz in “Man’s Search For Meaning” are false and misleading.
Another question I have is: If Auschwitz-Birkenau had been a place of mass exterminations, why would the German authorities leave behind thousands of disabled Jews such as Otto Frank to testify to their genocide? The SS would have easily been able to gas and cremate these Jewish inmates in crematorium V at Birkenau during the first week of January 1945. (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, Auschwitz: The Case for Sanity, Volume Two, Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 558).
Primo Levi, a Jewish Communist, is another example of someone who one would think would have been executed at Auschwitz-Birkenau. However, along with about 7,000 to 8,000 additional disabled Jews, Levi was left behind in Auschwitz. Although the Germans could have executed Levi and the other Jews in a few days, the Germans let them survive to tell their story about Auschwitz-Birkenau. (Source: Faurison, Robert, “Witnesses to the Gas Chambers of Auschwitz,†in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Thesis and Dissertations Press, 2000, p. 142).
The survival of so many disabled Jews such as Otto Frank and Primo Levi is not consistent with a program of mass extermination of Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Their survival indicates that the Germans did not have a program of mass extermination of Jews.
Eric, thanks for this comment of yours in response to the individual using the pseudonym EffU-EffU, and for your other valuable commentary in this thread.
And, in relation to these things you said to Fran Taubman in comment # 1144:
Jews were supposedly “wiped out†in Hungary in 1944, but a mere eleven years later, Hungarians revolted against their own [Jewish] communist government ….
… And then there are the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jews who have claimed to be entitled to reparations.
…you’re quite right to be highlighting the fact that there were soooooooo many survivors.
Fran Taubman, if you’re reading this, if the bulk of Hungarian Jewry were wiped out in 1944 by the Germans, how is that at the time of the Hungarian Revolution in 1956, the near entirety of the Communist Government of Hungary (and certainly all the key entities), were Jewish ??
I’m in Australia, and a ton of Hungarian Jews ended up here after the war. Many more no doubt, ended up in North America, Britain, western Europe, South Africa and elsewhere.
Let’s take the case of France for example. Nicolas Sarkozy, the former French President, is the son of a Hungarian Jewess who ‘miraculously’ survived the war.
Of course I’m being sarcastic when I write ‘miraculously’, seeing as the vast majority of Hungarian Jews survived the war, and are scattered to the four corners of the globe.
Many would have ‘anglicised’ their names in the interim to avoid standing out as Jews, and tried to assimilate into their respective adopted countries, abandoning all ties to the Jewish community.
Thus endowed with this new ‘identity’, it would have been difficult to track them down using their previous surnames. As such, these people were wrongly added to the list of ‘missing Jews’ – presumed killed during WWII, when in fact they were very much alive.
These alternatives would have been much quicker and easier than transferring the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau. The Germans probably would have used these options if they had wanted to mass murder the Hungarian Jews. However, the Hungarian Jews were not mass murdered. Instead, they were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, where many of them were later transferred to other camps.
That wasn’t would I asked you. I did not ask about murdering. I asked what context, what pretense, what reason did the Germans send 475,000 unemployable Jews to camps where there was no room for them. What was the German logic. Also no German or Hungarian high command has ever claimed the Jews were transported to other camps and the documents were destroyed. On further transports of Jews from Auschwitz? Crickets.
You need to over a context a rational, a reason. Butz said Jews were transported to help in the war effort and that only employable Jews were transported. We have proven that to be false, from the Auschwitz album.
My response: You repeatedly keep asking this question. It proves absolutely nothing.
It means everything. It means the world. It is the very essence of the failure of Holocaust Revisionism. Everyone can only think of one reason that Eichmann spent all of his resources in transporting a bunch of useless Jews to Auschwitz. If you cannot answer the question it proves that Holocaust Revisionism is a scam. You cannot claim anything, because you do not know anything. You can claim that they were starting a farm to grow food, and they transported all the Jews to help in the farm effort and they had uses for the children and older people that could help. But that is not the case, you have no reason, because the Germans had no reason to transport them. There is no existing rational reason to transport those Jews to Auschwitz at brake neck speed, to never be seen again.
You must answer the question. Do you think people are stupid? My dog ran away. My dog was found dead. My dog was hit by a car. But there were no cars in the area, therefor my dog could not have been hit by a car. My dog is dead with tire marks across his dead body. But there were no cars, photo evidence shows no cars.
My dog is dead.
I expect you to be logical, and serious about the German war effort. You are a historian. When studying the transport of the Hungarian Jews in the summer of 1944, you have to have context. Context is everything. Otherwise we are just guessing. And what is the point of just guessing? Everything about the war effort has been sorted out and discussed. Germany's actions were deliberate, they had plans and reasons for all of their war actions.. If the unregistered Jews were transported to another camp, wouldn't the Germans have kept records of the transports and where the Jews went? For no other reason other than to prove that they were not murdered. They could have faked the documentation but they never did. The Germans never provided proof of what happened to the unregistered Jews, and it is not unreasonable to think that they murdered since they were last seen at a crematorium where dead people are cremated. There is a bit of logic in that idea. Where are the documents of transfers (of the Jews) from Auschwitz to other locations?Other German operations are explained with impeccable logic. The reason they invaded Hungary in 1944 was to avoid Hungary aligning itself with the allies, but the war was going very badly for Germany, the soviets were on the march, and resignation was setting in that the Germans might lose the war, especially with Hitler's advanced Parkinson's disease, aging him two fold, his tremors and shaking, and his inability at the end to make rational choices that would better serve Germany and it's people. Hitler was full of fantasy about a super weapon coming to change his fortunes. In the end Hitlers war decisions were disastrous for Germany. Which is why the assignation attempts. If Hitler had settled on a disarmament plan and negotiated he could have saved Germany the utter devastation that was wrought upon it. Hitler was a sick man physically and psychologically.So again I am asking that given the context of the war effort in 1944. What was the logic in transporting at great logistics and expense 475,000 mostly non employable Jews to Auschwitz? It would seem such a burden on the limited resources to transport the old, the sick and children. Do you see any logic in the actions? Any rational reasons.Would it not have made more sense to transport only the Jews capable of helping with the war effort, the employable Jews, and leave the children, the sick and the elderly in their ghettoes in Hungary? Why did the international community insist Horthly halt the transportations, threatening war crimes if the transports were not stopped. What were the war crimes the international community was talking about? You must have some conjecture, some explaination other than they were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz, therefore they must be alive somewhere. Can you understand how unsatisfactory your responses are in the context and logic of the German situation in 1944. I also wanted to wish you a Mazel Tov on your new UR article on the central park bird watcher, who was not so innocent, and had harassed and threatened dog walkers before, and how this woman lost her job etc. It was a good argument. I would like to encourage you to write on other subjects other then Holocaust revisionism which as this post proves, is deader than a door mat. No one can answer logically not only what happened to the Hungarian Jews, but more importantly why they were shipped to Auschwitz to begin with. H denial is dead, finished, and is only discussed seriously by the mentally deranged and Jew haters that cannot face the fact that the Germans were obsessed with destroying European Jewry. Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity.Replies: @John Wear, @HdC
You ask: “My point is why transfer them at all.â€My response: What am I supposed to present to you? Do you want a specific German document stating why the Germans transferred the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? I doubt if one exists.
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You ask: “If the unregistered Jews were transported to another camp, wouldn’t the Germans have kept records of the transports and where the Jews went?”
My response: Yes. However, these records could easily be destroyed by the Allies after the war.
This issue is most commonly raised in regard to Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor in Poland. What happened to them? Where are the German train records of where they went?
This argument comes up so often that I wrote an article on this subject, which you can read at https://inconvenienthistory.com/15/1/8206.
You ask: “So again I am asking that given the context of the war effort in 1944. What was the logic in transporting at great logistics and expense 475,000 mostly non employable Jews to Auschwitz?”
My response: You repeatedly keep asking this question. It proves absolutely nothing.
Large numbers of disabled and unemployable Jews were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau throughout the war. The transferring of disabled Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau was nothing new.
If Germany had wanted to mass murder the Hungarian Jews, it had some easier alternatives. Some of these alternatives include:
1. Transport the Hungarian Jews who were sick and disabled to Hartheim Castle in Austria. Tell these sick and disabled Jews they were going to get first-rate medical treatment. Instead, murder them with carbon monoxide gas. This is what Germany did to many thousands of its mentally-ill Germans.
2. Take Jews to a nearby forest. Shoot them in the back of the head. This is how the Soviet Union murdered about 21,000 Polish soldiers in the Katyn Forest Massacre.
3. Shoot some Hungarian Jews on the spot and transport them to local cremation facilities.
These alternatives would have been much quicker and easier than transferring the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau. The Germans probably would have used these options if they had wanted to mass murder the Hungarian Jews. However, the Hungarian Jews were not mass murdered. Instead, they were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, where many of them were later transferred to other camps.
You ask: “My point is why transfer them at all.â€
My response: What am I supposed to present to you? Do you want a specific German document stating why the Germans transferred the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? I doubt if one exists.
I expect you to be logical, and serious about the German war effort. You are a historian. When studying the transport of the Hungarian Jews in the summer of 1944, you have to have context. Context is everything. Otherwise we are just guessing. And what is the point of just guessing? Everything about the war effort has been sorted out and discussed. Germany’s actions were deliberate, they had plans and reasons for all of their war actions..
If the unregistered Jews were transported to another camp, wouldn’t the Germans have kept records of the transports and where the Jews went? For no other reason other than to prove that they were not murdered. They could have faked the documentation but they never did. The Germans never provided proof of what happened to the unregistered Jews, and it is not unreasonable to think that they murdered since they were last seen at a crematorium where dead people are cremated. There is a bit of logic in that idea. Where are the documents of transfers (of the Jews) from Auschwitz to other locations?
Other German operations are explained with impeccable logic. The reason they invaded Hungary in 1944 was to avoid Hungary aligning itself with the allies, but the war was going very badly for Germany, the soviets were on the march, and resignation was setting in that the Germans might lose the war, especially with Hitler’s advanced Parkinson’s disease, aging him two fold, his tremors and shaking, and his inability at the end to make rational choices that would better serve Germany and it’s people. Hitler was full of fantasy about a super weapon coming to change his fortunes. In the end Hitlers war decisions were disastrous for Germany. Which is why the assignation attempts. If Hitler had settled on a disarmament plan and negotiated he could have saved Germany the utter devastation that was wrought upon it. Hitler was a sick man physically and psychologically.
So again I am asking that given the context of the war effort in 1944. What was the logic in transporting at great logistics and expense 475,000 mostly non employable Jews to Auschwitz? It would seem such a burden on the limited resources to transport the old, the sick and children. Do you see any logic in the actions? Any rational reasons.
Would it not have made more sense to transport only the Jews capable of helping with the war effort, the employable Jews, and leave the children, the sick and the elderly in their ghettoes in Hungary?
Why did the international community insist Horthly halt the transportations, threatening war crimes if the transports were not stopped. What were the war crimes the international community was talking about?
You must have some conjecture, some explaination other than they were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz, therefore they must be alive somewhere. Can you understand how unsatisfactory your responses are in the context and logic of the German situation in 1944.
I also wanted to wish you a Mazel Tov on your new UR article on the central park bird watcher, who was not so innocent, and had harassed and threatened dog walkers before, and how this woman lost her job etc. It was a good argument. I would like to encourage you to write on other subjects other then Holocaust revisionism which as this post proves, is deader than a door mat. No one can answer logically not only what happened to the Hungarian Jews, but more importantly why they were shipped to Auschwitz to begin with.
H denial is dead, finished, and is only discussed seriously by the mentally deranged and Jew haters that cannot face the fact that the Germans were obsessed with destroying European Jewry. Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity.
I think I’ve given you the full explanation.
Most Americans haven’t connected the dots and seen the Jewish elephant in the room.
I’ve explained why.
You can’t solve a problem if you don’t know it’s a problem.
Where do you live?
You don’t sound like you’re an American.
And I’d still like to know what your problem is with boomers.
#1143 Eric135
“Jewish power hasn’t solely depended on the USA.
(…)
After their emancipation by Napoleon, Jews gained power and influence in France, Italy, Germany and Austria-Hungary. “
I know that morons also have existed in France, Italy, Germany and rest of Western Europe.
Nowadays, Jewish power is concentrated in USA.
So, what regular American did to diminish this power in the last 100 years (taking 1913-creation of FED as a symbolic year) ?
Americans have free speech, free elections and Americans have right to use weapon to oppose a stupid government.
Maybe you are one of a few reasonable Americans but most Americans haven’t wanted to listen persons like you. Why?
I don’t blame Americans that they did stupid things because every nation has done stupid things in its history.
I blame Americans that they don’t want to fix them for a very long time.
I can be wrong because I don’t know USA’s history in detail so please provide me examples of American’s initiatives to take back power from Jews.
I know only one such example in last 100 years: John Kennedy tried to issue currency independent of FED.
“Well, I am no longer going to respond to you. Keep pissing in the wind if you want.”
Omigosh, how disappointing.
No more responses from Fran.
How will I ever survive?
Well I am no longer going to respond to you. So
Keep pissing in the wind if you want.
Barbara Lerner Spectre have had a ready-made “reason†for promoting the Great Replacement of white people by brown people in Europe and in the Anglophone countries because there are supposedly not enough whites to do all the work that needs to be done.But Geo, Mazel Tov on your fake handle getting nibbles. You are also not American you are Canadian.What a phony.Replies: @Eric135
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“You have been outed, Geo … Mazel Tov on your fake handle getting nibbles. You are also not American, you are Canadian. What a phony.”
Silly goose, what are you talking about? You sound like you’re starting to lose it.
Maybe a cool cloth and a nice sit-down for an hour or two would help?
This makes no sense to me. I do not know what you are talking about. I do not talk about the Jews in the manner you describe. I prove with facts that the Holocaust existed. Many of my family members were murdered in the Holocaust the rest of them were placed in DP camps and my parents sponsored them to come to the US. Why would I net believe what they witnessed? Because Holocaust deniers claim they are making it up. I believe my family not the deniers, as I am sure you would believe your family. Does not make their suffering more important than others suffering. None of the survivors in my family ever, ever discussed the Holocaust you could not bring it up. They would have rather been Himmler than victims, They were not boasting about their unique suffering they were humiliated. If you are really interested in people with a unique status, why not look at the Aristocracy, the feudal land systems, and the Empires. Now there are people with unique power and superiority over others no? Don't you think the Romanovs thought they were a little special, and superior to the non aristocrat.
I do note that you reject out of hand any and all evidence that denies “your people†their “unique†suffering, preferring instead to rely on the “scribes and scholars†of the Holocaustian scriptures to inform your beliefs. BECAUSE, that belief system grants your people “unique status†amongst all others. And such a prize that is, how much power and influence it grants you as a people, how much political and societal predominance it bestows upon you within those nations, world-wide, that continue to host the jewish diaspora.�
This is a lie. The Jews were overrepresented in the Bolshevik takeover, but the Jews were only 2% of the Russian population. The vast majority of Bolsheviks were non Jews. The Jews that are pointed out as being Jews, were not fully Jewish, did not represent Jewish laws, and did not practice Judaism.. Other Jews despised them. There were more Jews that were anti Bolshevik then there were Bolshevik. Jews Communism was godless. Religious Jews rejected Jewish Bolsheviks who did not believe in god. Why do you objectify Jews as some monolithic creatures from another planet. Many Jews are godless many Jews are religious. Same with Christians. Many Jews have power, many are penniless and powerless.
That coupled with the predominantly jewish led and inspired Communist International that was then engaged in fermenting revolutionary movements across Europe and beyond, of course marked the jews residing within Europe out as a “uniquely†pernicious and dangerous influence.�
Jews existed in the countries they lived in as the counties they lived in granted them rights to live. Jews could not hold public jobs, serve in the army, or farm. So they were rather stuck as far as jobs go. Jews were invited by the princes of the empires in Europe to handle money and make them rich. The Jews were only allowed to be bankers. or merchants. And they were good at their job. The Jews did the best they could, while the Catholic church demonized them as a satanic cult because it was a good way of recruiting people during Medieval times. Jews contributed greatly to the culture of the countries they inhabited. They were hated because they killed Jesus the savior of the world, who just happened to be a Jew. People hate Jews for religious reasons, the rest is made. up.
It´s natural that the “rounding up of jews†happened within several different occupied countries , because jews then (as now, imo) had no country of their own,, though they maintained a national identity across the diaspora. That´s to say, they existed as a distinct nation across the numerous territories where they resided, but which, by their own choice, they did not belong to.�
This is too stupid to answer. Hitler and the NS were a sadistic psychopathic group of people that terrorized everyone not just Jews, but had an almost cosmic hatred of the Jews that was obsessive and for no reason. I think you will find the Globalist in Belgium the instigators of immigrants destroying the cultures of countries. People like Angela Merkel, and the leaders of the EU, who are mostly not Jews.
And from that desire of the Germans to rid Europe of its jewish problem, is born a whole new chapter in the “unique†history of “the jewsâ€, who now have succeeded in inflicting on all of their Host Nations across the world, a “woke†holocaustian ideology intended and designed to undermine and deracinate our traditional cultures and values, whilst our economies are destroyed by a very jewish neoliberalism.Thus we come full circle, to the point that victimised European peoples, fearful for their futures, fearful of jewish political and societal predominance, search and seek for a “final solution†to the jewish problem, with some even (horrifyingly) suggesting genocide as a solution(!). Thus, in turn, exacerbating the genuinely felt fears of the holocausian faithful..!
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Jews have set themselves apart from the rest of mankind throughout their existence, firstly as a people specially and uniquely chosen by God to rule and dominate over all nations, secondly as a people uniquely vitimised by those many, many nations from which they have been expelled. And thirdly, as the inheritors of a fabricated holocaustian history, from which they and their shabbos champions will brook no descent.If only the jewish people would abandon their “uniqueness†and integrate with the rest of mankind, as equal inheritors of all the God has created, then we wouldn´t have a problem, and we wouldn´t be having this conversation!You will not let go of your especially jewish suffering, your historic separation from the rest of mankind, or your, inevitably “unique†status. Because ego LOVES to feel special!Would that more of us, regardless of religion, nationality, colour, etc, would lay aside out egoic desire to be special and unique, so that we might evolve into the expression of Love that the Divine Creator of all life placed at the centre, the heart, of all life…This is just a lie, perpetrated by the Catholic Church to recruit Christians. You cannot have people walking around declaring that Jesus was a false prophet. The Jewish people have no special qualities. They were the first in the Abrahamic religions to accept the "one god" concept of a god who could never take corporal form or be described by our senses and was not bound by time or space. It was a pretty far out idea at the time, when the Hittites were sacrificing their children to Baal. I think the Jews contributed to the advancement of the Human race in the history of the world. Judaism contributed the transfer from the barbaric to the civilized with the 10 commandments etc. I mean WTF is your problem with Jews. You are looking for a scape goat. The problems of the world are not caused by the Jews, they are caused by the Human condition of war and bloodshed and conquering. My message to you kali would be to study history, the history of the world, you will find out how the world came to be, that people hate Jews because they are not Christian or Muslim. Kali stop hating Jews it is stupid and makes no sense. Nothing good ever comes to Jew haters, nothing, it always ends badly. Look at Egypt, look at the Romans, look at the NS; The Jews are here for a reason and they are hard wired into a cosmic force.Replies: @Kali, @Eric135, @Eric135
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“Jews could not … serve in the army or farm. So, they were rather stuck as far as jobs go.”
Not true in the case of Tsarist Russia after the middle of the 19th century.
Jews were encouraged to farm and even given the land and equipment to do so. They sold the land and equipment and instead made their living bootlegging liquor, lending money to farmers, getting them drunk, and then getting them to sign usurious contracts by which the farmers lost their land, equipment and homes to the Jews, which the Jews would then sell.
This whole process is described in detail by the Jew Samuel Roth in Jews Must Live.
It is also described with regard to the treatment of Polish peasants by the Jewish historian Heinrich Graetz in Geschichte der Juden (History of the Jews).
” … pogroms don’t happen for no reason.” — Louis Ferdinand Celine, Bagatelles pour un massacre (Trifles for a Massacre)
In The Jewish Paradox, the Jew Nahum Goldmann talks about how his fellow Jews in Russia avoided military service.
I am a Jew kali wha did you expect? You are a Jew hater and your first reply was that of a Jew hater, nothing more nothing less. To non Jew haters, mostly Christian’s find your post semi hysterical. Illiterate and above all irrational. You think you make sense. You are sure you make sense but you are only heard by fellow Jew haters. Jew hatred is a disease.
Jew to Jew hater.
This makes no sense to me. I do not know what you are talking about. I do not talk about the Jews in the manner you describe. I prove with facts that the Holocaust existed. Many of my family members were murdered in the Holocaust the rest of them were placed in DP camps and my parents sponsored them to come to the US. Why would I net believe what they witnessed? Because Holocaust deniers claim they are making it up. I believe my family not the deniers, as I am sure you would believe your family. Does not make their suffering more important than others suffering. None of the survivors in my family ever, ever discussed the Holocaust you could not bring it up. They would have rather been Himmler than victims, They were not boasting about their unique suffering they were humiliated. If you are really interested in people with a unique status, why not look at the Aristocracy, the feudal land systems, and the Empires. Now there are people with unique power and superiority over others no? Don't you think the Romanovs thought they were a little special, and superior to the non aristocrat.
I do note that you reject out of hand any and all evidence that denies “your people†their “unique†suffering, preferring instead to rely on the “scribes and scholars†of the Holocaustian scriptures to inform your beliefs. BECAUSE, that belief system grants your people “unique status†amongst all others. And such a prize that is, how much power and influence it grants you as a people, how much political and societal predominance it bestows upon you within those nations, world-wide, that continue to host the jewish diaspora.�
This is a lie. The Jews were overrepresented in the Bolshevik takeover, but the Jews were only 2% of the Russian population. The vast majority of Bolsheviks were non Jews. The Jews that are pointed out as being Jews, were not fully Jewish, did not represent Jewish laws, and did not practice Judaism.. Other Jews despised them. There were more Jews that were anti Bolshevik then there were Bolshevik. Jews Communism was godless. Religious Jews rejected Jewish Bolsheviks who did not believe in god. Why do you objectify Jews as some monolithic creatures from another planet. Many Jews are godless many Jews are religious. Same with Christians. Many Jews have power, many are penniless and powerless.
That coupled with the predominantly jewish led and inspired Communist International that was then engaged in fermenting revolutionary movements across Europe and beyond, of course marked the jews residing within Europe out as a “uniquely†pernicious and dangerous influence.�
Jews existed in the countries they lived in as the counties they lived in granted them rights to live. Jews could not hold public jobs, serve in the army, or farm. So they were rather stuck as far as jobs go. Jews were invited by the princes of the empires in Europe to handle money and make them rich. The Jews were only allowed to be bankers. or merchants. And they were good at their job. The Jews did the best they could, while the Catholic church demonized them as a satanic cult because it was a good way of recruiting people during Medieval times. Jews contributed greatly to the culture of the countries they inhabited. They were hated because they killed Jesus the savior of the world, who just happened to be a Jew. People hate Jews for religious reasons, the rest is made. up.
It´s natural that the “rounding up of jews†happened within several different occupied countries , because jews then (as now, imo) had no country of their own,, though they maintained a national identity across the diaspora. That´s to say, they existed as a distinct nation across the numerous territories where they resided, but which, by their own choice, they did not belong to.�
This is too stupid to answer. Hitler and the NS were a sadistic psychopathic group of people that terrorized everyone not just Jews, but had an almost cosmic hatred of the Jews that was obsessive and for no reason. I think you will find the Globalist in Belgium the instigators of immigrants destroying the cultures of countries. People like Angela Merkel, and the leaders of the EU, who are mostly not Jews.
And from that desire of the Germans to rid Europe of its jewish problem, is born a whole new chapter in the “unique†history of “the jewsâ€, who now have succeeded in inflicting on all of their Host Nations across the world, a “woke†holocaustian ideology intended and designed to undermine and deracinate our traditional cultures and values, whilst our economies are destroyed by a very jewish neoliberalism.Thus we come full circle, to the point that victimised European peoples, fearful for their futures, fearful of jewish political and societal predominance, search and seek for a “final solution†to the jewish problem, with some even (horrifyingly) suggesting genocide as a solution(!). Thus, in turn, exacerbating the genuinely felt fears of the holocausian faithful..!
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Jews have set themselves apart from the rest of mankind throughout their existence, firstly as a people specially and uniquely chosen by God to rule and dominate over all nations, secondly as a people uniquely vitimised by those many, many nations from which they have been expelled. And thirdly, as the inheritors of a fabricated holocaustian history, from which they and their shabbos champions will brook no descent.If only the jewish people would abandon their “uniqueness†and integrate with the rest of mankind, as equal inheritors of all the God has created, then we wouldn´t have a problem, and we wouldn´t be having this conversation!You will not let go of your especially jewish suffering, your historic separation from the rest of mankind, or your, inevitably “unique†status. Because ego LOVES to feel special!Would that more of us, regardless of religion, nationality, colour, etc, would lay aside out egoic desire to be special and unique, so that we might evolve into the expression of Love that the Divine Creator of all life placed at the centre, the heart, of all life…This is just a lie, perpetrated by the Catholic Church to recruit Christians. You cannot have people walking around declaring that Jesus was a false prophet. The Jewish people have no special qualities. They were the first in the Abrahamic religions to accept the "one god" concept of a god who could never take corporal form or be described by our senses and was not bound by time or space. It was a pretty far out idea at the time, when the Hittites were sacrificing their children to Baal. I think the Jews contributed to the advancement of the Human race in the history of the world. Judaism contributed the transfer from the barbaric to the civilized with the 10 commandments etc. I mean WTF is your problem with Jews. You are looking for a scape goat. The problems of the world are not caused by the Jews, they are caused by the Human condition of war and bloodshed and conquering. My message to you kali would be to study history, the history of the world, you will find out how the world came to be, that people hate Jews because they are not Christian or Muslim. Kali stop hating Jews it is stupid and makes no sense. Nothing good ever comes to Jew haters, nothing, it always ends badly. Look at Egypt, look at the Romans, look at the NS; The Jews are here for a reason and they are hard wired into a cosmic force.Replies: @Kali, @Eric135, @Eric135
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“The vast majority of Bolsheviks were non-Jews.”
Not true. No ordinary Russian would have considered himself a Bolshevik. There was no huge Bolshevik Party that ordinary Russians were a part of. The Bolsheviks were a small group, and their leadership was Jewish.
Here are some quotes for you to take note of:
“Hitler said, ‘If we don’t defeat them now, they will eliminate us. They will slaughter another 20 million’ … He was right. The Russian Revolution was made by the Jews.” — Rabbi Yosef Tsvi
“The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists, and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.” — David R. Francis, U.S. ambassador to Russia, January, 1918
“But perhaps the most impressive piece of evidence concerning the supremacy of the Jew in the Russian Revolution is that furnished in a report drawn up by Mr. Gerard Shelley, an Englishman who was present in Russia in 1918. The Russian anarchists, he points out, are entirely distinct from the Bolsheviks … in their individualism, which runs to extraordinary extremes, they have much more in common with the Slav temperament than the highly concentrated system of government associated with the Jew Trotsky … The creed of these Bolsheviks, according to the lecturer Lev Cherny, is, briefly, that the proletariat of all countries are nothing but gelatinous masses, which, if the intelligentsia were destroyed in each country, would leave those masses at the mercy of the Jews.” — Nesta Webster, The Cause of World Unrest, p. 118.
“Liberalism in the case of the Jew means internationalism.” — Theodore Dreiser
“Let us be under no illusion: the Jewish spirit, which was responsible for the alliance of large-scale capitalism with Marxism and was the driving force behind so many anti-Spanish revolutionary movements, will not be gotten rid of in a day.” — Francisco Franco
“Communism is an instrument of international Jewish capitalism. It will be used to smash and afterwards rule the nations.” — Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
“The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by the Jew Sverdlov and carried out by the Jews Goloshekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov and Yurovsky, is the act, not of the Russian people, but of this hostile invader.” — Robert Wilton, former Times correspondent in St. Petersburg, in The Last Days of the Romanovs.
“And now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creasion of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews.” — Winston Churchill, Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People, Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920.
“The Jews have been furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders.” — Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11.
“It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement.” — The Menorah Journal, p. 106, New York, July (quarterly) issue, 1932.
“Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.” — Willem J. Oudendyk, Dutch ambassador to Russia, February 1918.
“In Ukraine, Jews made up nearly 80% of the rank-and-file Cheka agents.” — W. Bruce Lincoln, Red Victory.
“As soon as they were in command, the Hymies didn’t waste time in setting about the decimation of the Aryans … Over the past seventeen years, they have had the ‘impure’ destroyed by the millions.” — Louis Ferdinand Celine, Bagatelles pour un massacre (Trifles for a Massacre).
“A revolution is not like inviting guests to dinner. You can’t be that civilizeed, that courteous, that gracious, that gentle.” — Sidney Rittenberg, Jewish-American mentor to Chinese Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung.
“They [the communist revolutionaries] are a mixture of literary Jewiboys, plundering rabble, and idiots.” — Austrian dramatist Arthur Schnitzler
“The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia and in Germany, too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign and I bitterly regret the favors I showed the prominent Jewish bankers.” — Kaiser Wilhelm II
“The troublemakers in Hungary are the Jews. They demoralize our country. And they are the leaders of the revolutionary gang that is torturing Hungary.” — Cardinal Mindszenty
“When it came to Mexico, the promoters of communism were the Jews. Everywhere, communism brings the Jews on top, and this is not by chance.” — Adrien Arcand
“The communists are Jews, and Russia is being entirely administered by them. They are in every government office, bureau and newspaper. They are driving out the Russians and are responsible for the anti-Semitic feeling which is increasing.” — Clare Sheridan
“Once the Jewishness of Bolshevism is understood, its otherwise puzzling features become understandable: hatred of Christianity, for instance, is not a Russian characteristic, it is a Jewish one.” — Arthur Nelson Field
“The real forces behind Bolshevism in Russia are Jewish forces, and Bolshevism is an instrument in the hands of the Jews for the establishment of their future messianic kingdom.” — Fr. Denis Fahey
“In New York, there is a concentration of Jewish financial power … on the other side of the globe, there has taken place in Russia the greatest concentration of Jewish revolutionary activity in all history … both this power of the purse and revolutionary activity are working in the direction of destroying the entire existing order of things. And not only are they working in a common direction, but there is massive evidence that they are working in unison.” — Arthur Nelson Field
“The Jew may govern the money market, and the money market may govern the world … the scrawl of the Jew on the back of a piece of paper may be worth more than the word of three kings.” — Thomas Babington Macaulay
“The Jew was being legislated out of Russia. the reason is not concealed. The movement [by the Czar] was instituted because the Christian peasant stood no chance against the Jew’s commercial abilities. The Jew was always ready to lend on a crop. When settlement day came, he owned the crop. The next year he owned the farm.” — Mark Twain
“The rest of the Jews are the fatherland of the Jew; and so, he fights for them as he would pro ara et focis, and no community on earth sticks so firmly together as does this. It follows from this that it is absurd to want to concede to them a share in the government or administration of any country.” — Arthur Schopenhauer
“It is an extremely superficial and false view to regard the Jews merely as a religious sect … On the contrary, ‘Jewish Nation’ is the correct expression.” — Arthur Schopenhauer
“Does the thought not occur to you that if you give to the Jews, who are citizens of a state more solid and powerful than any of yours, civil rights in your states, they will utterly crush the remainder of your citizens?” — Johann Gottlob Fichte, 1793
“Pollard: Jews ‘will always have dual loyalty’ & should consider spying for Israel”– Jerusalem Post, March 26, 2021
You have been outed Geo. No one mentions:
Barbara Lerner Spectre have had a ready-made “reason†for promoting the Great Replacement of white people by brown people in Europe and in the Anglophone countries because there are supposedly not enough whites to do all the work that needs to be done.
But Geo, Mazel Tov on your fake handle getting nibbles. You are also not American you are Canadian.
What a phony.
That is 23,566 out of 475,000. But why transport them at all? There was no room for them in any of the camps, the camps in 1944 were at their worst state. Why couldn't they just stay in their ghettoes in Hungary. Why transport people when there is no place to transport them to?
“If we follow the orthodox narrative, the vast majority of the Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz since May 1944, as well as the Jews deported to Auschwitz from the Lodz Ghetto in August 1944, are said to have been murdered on arrival without having been registered. The data about the Stutthof Camp prove, however, that at least some of these unregistered Jews (23,566, to be precise) were not murdered on arrival but were transferred to other camps as forced laborers.â€
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Well that still leaves about 350,000 missing Jews. Why were those Jews transported in 1944. The sick the old and children, when the Germans could not care for them? What was the point? I do not see how Mattogno's claim that 79,000 were transported to other camps, proves the others were not mass murdered. Maybe the employable Jews were transported, but non of the children, old or sick were transported to other camps.
“One should not surmise that all Jews from the Baltic countries, Hungary and Lodz who were transited through Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 ended up in Stutthof, because that was only a small camp and merely one among many others. Further research about admissions to other camps, to the extent that the records still exist, may reveal that many more Jews were alive and kicking of whom orthodox historians had assumed that they had been murdered. Based on data available to him in 2001, Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable.â€
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No Mattogno was not able to prove that there was mass murder, he can only prove that 79,00 out of the 475,000 were not murdered. What happened to the rest of them?Replies: @John Wear, @Eric135
Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable �
“What was the whole point of these transports in 1944 when the Russians were moving in?”
I, personally, am not convinced that there were any transports. The whole narrative of which they are a part is fake.
Given that there were no gas chambers, shrunken heads, human-skin lampshades, human pelvis ashtrays, electrocution floors, steam chambers, firepits, holo-coasters, head bashing machines, masturbation machines, etc., why should we believe that there were any of these last-minute “transports” — other than Jews voluntarily choosing to abandon a few concentration camps in the east and go with the Germans to the west?
Jews were supposedly “wiped out” in Hungary in 1944, but a mere eleven years later, Hungarians revolted against their own communist government — not because it was communist, but because it was Jewish!
And then there are the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jews who have claimed to be entitled to reparations.
How did they manage to survive Hitler’s allegedly efficient and thorough campaign of extermination?
Was the alleged transportation of almost half a million Jews out of Hungary even talked about before the Eichmann trial in 1960?
There can be little doubt that Eichmann was tortured just like Hoess before him. Both of them were “persuaded” to sign off on Jewish fairy tales about the Holocaust.
The transport issue went to sleep after the Eichmann trial but was revived by the publication of Elie Wiesel’s Night, a book that has been shown to be full of lies.
Barbara Lerner Spectre have had a ready-made “reason†for promoting the Great Replacement of white people by brown people in Europe and in the Anglophone countries because there are supposedly not enough whites to do all the work that needs to be done.But Geo, Mazel Tov on your fake handle getting nibbles. You are also not American you are Canadian.What a phony.Replies: @Eric135
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“No USA – no Jewish power.”
Jewish power hasn’t solely depended on the USA.
In the Middle Ages, there were “Court Jews” who were given special privileges as the “king’s property”. Poland at one point was a paradisus judaeorum. So were Spain and Turkey under Muslim rule.
After their emancipation by Napoleon, Jews gained power and influence in France, Italy, Germany and Austria-Hungary.
It is a particular point of pride with me that my ancestors left England for North America in the early 1600s — before the Jews were let back into that country after being kicked out by King Edward in 1290.
My ancestors thereby enjoyed freedom from Jewish influence for almost 600 years — until the Jews started pouring into the United States in 1881 after they were told by Alexander III that he would no longer tolerate them cheating Russian farmers.
“For over 100 years … regular Americans have done nothing to limit the financial and political power of Jewry.”
In 1913, ordinary Americans outside of New York City did not encounter many Jews and knew little about them.
They didn’t know that President Woodrow Wilson had been blackmailed by the Jew Samuel Untermeyer and was completely controlled by Jews.
They were naive enough to think that the Jews around Wilson like Morgenthau, Meyer, Frankfurter, Marshall, Warburg, Untermeyer, Brandeis and Baruch were white people just like them.
It took quite some time for Jews to spread out from New York City into the rest of the United States.
Of course, they always presented themselves as wanting to fully assimilate into American life and American traditions.
Even today, Congress is full of Jews who swear they are All-American patriots with everything that that implies. They would never do anything to harm America.
Whatever subversive movements the Jews have been engaged in, they’ve never publically linked it to their being Jews.
For example, the feminist leader Gloria Steinem and Kate Millett never presented their cause as a specifically Jewish cause.
Americans like me have had to do a lot of “dot-connecting” to begin to see a pattern: Jews are behind all of these subversive movements.
The Jewish-controlled American media (it doesn’t advertise the fact that it’s Jewish-controlled; you have to figure that out on your own) has presented Americans with a one sided picture of innocent Israel being besieged by Muslim terrorists.
This deception has been the means by which Evangelicals have been persuaded to support Israel and the Jews — even to the point of regarding them as God’s chosen people above Christians!
9/11 was the means by which the Jews were able to get the United States to fight Israel’s wars and help it to destabilize majority Muslim countries: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya.
With America on Israel’s side, the Palestinians have had no chance to better their lot.
During this whole process, Jews have increased their power and influence in the United States to the point that they have displaced the WASP (white Anglo-Saxon Protestant) ruling class.
With this level of control, the Jews have increased their ability to deceive the American people.
By controlling the media in particular, they are able to turn themselves into the “elephant in the room” that “nobody sees”.
Nobody except a few people like me.
When and why did I personally start to “connect the dots”?
For me, it began around 2015 when an alumni magazine from a private high school I had attended told me that one of the faculty members would be attending a “white privilege” conference in Minnesota at the school’s expense.
I looked into who was behind this whole concept of “white privilege” and it turned out to be Jews.
I knew that there had been a lot of wealthy Jews who had attended that school, and I decided that it no longer needed financial contributions from me because — if anything — Jews as a group have more financial “privilege” than any whites I know.
I was even tempted to write a letter to the school asking why they didn’t address Jewish and Asian privilege (both groups have higher average incomes than whites), but I decided I had better things to do.
The next incident that opened my eyes even further was Charlottesville in 2017.
The reaction by the media to that protest against removing a Confederate statue persuaded me that a great deal of censorship was about to take place. If I didn’t look into what these “white nationalists” were saying right away, I wouldn’t have the opportunity to do so in the future.
At that point, I preferred getting my information from books, so I went to Amazon and ordered everything I could find that seemed likely to be banned. My prediction, of course, was correct. You cannot find those books on Amazon today, and they are very difficult to find anywhere else.
What else have I done? Throughout my adult life, I’ve had letters to the editor and op-eds published opposing every aspect of the Jewish agenda.
Only, at the time those pieces were published, I didn’t know that the agendas I was opposing were Jewish, so I said nothing about Jews.
Awareness for me has come too late. My country has already been lost.
At least I know it. The great majority of Americans still do not.
“Boomer”
I’m no defender of my generation, but I don’t think the following generations have much to brag about either. Quite the contrary.
And I would like to know what particular things you blame on the boomers. Care to tell me?
...you're quite right to be highlighting the fact that there were soooooooo many survivors.
Jews were supposedly “wiped out†in Hungary in 1944, but a mere eleven years later, Hungarians revolted against their own [Jewish] communist government ....
... And then there are the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jews who have claimed to be entitled to reparations.
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Don’t hold back how do you really feel about the Jews? Then there is Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Susan Rice, Barack Obama, Bill and Hill. Dick Cheny. The Bushes.
Oh wait I forgot. Islam. The Islamist. The Chinese. The North Koreans. Oh and Fauci and the biological warfare game. Not a Jew in site. The Vatican. Not the new one the Medieval one where they used to sell fake wood from the crucification cross to peasants. The Borgia’s sexual perverts of the Catholic Church. Jack Dempsey. The old owner was Twitter. Google. The Biden crime family. I dunno about you but to me all
of the 18th century’s European Empires. The Russian Empire. The Austrian – Hungarian Empire. The British Empire. The Crusades The entirety of the African continent after colonization.
What do think about Monaco and all the rich princes. And of corse the NS and Hitler. Not nice people. With racial Ayrian
So my question to you is what are you going to do about it? Sounds to me like the world is in deep shit because of the Jews and evangelicals. What’s up.
Eric555 are you Geogat with a new handle? I bet you are. Bill Gates making hamburgers out of insects. Insects are not kosher to eat.
This makes no sense to me. I do not know what you are talking about. I do not talk about the Jews in the manner you describe. I prove with facts that the Holocaust existed. Many of my family members were murdered in the Holocaust the rest of them were placed in DP camps and my parents sponsored them to come to the US. Why would I net believe what they witnessed? Because Holocaust deniers claim they are making it up. I believe my family not the deniers, as I am sure you would believe your family. Does not make their suffering more important than others suffering. None of the survivors in my family ever, ever discussed the Holocaust you could not bring it up. They would have rather been Himmler than victims, They were not boasting about their unique suffering they were humiliated. If you are really interested in people with a unique status, why not look at the Aristocracy, the feudal land systems, and the Empires. Now there are people with unique power and superiority over others no? Don't you think the Romanovs thought they were a little special, and superior to the non aristocrat.
I do note that you reject out of hand any and all evidence that denies “your people†their “unique†suffering, preferring instead to rely on the “scribes and scholars†of the Holocaustian scriptures to inform your beliefs. BECAUSE, that belief system grants your people “unique status†amongst all others. And such a prize that is, how much power and influence it grants you as a people, how much political and societal predominance it bestows upon you within those nations, world-wide, that continue to host the jewish diaspora.�
This is a lie. The Jews were overrepresented in the Bolshevik takeover, but the Jews were only 2% of the Russian population. The vast majority of Bolsheviks were non Jews. The Jews that are pointed out as being Jews, were not fully Jewish, did not represent Jewish laws, and did not practice Judaism.. Other Jews despised them. There were more Jews that were anti Bolshevik then there were Bolshevik. Jews Communism was godless. Religious Jews rejected Jewish Bolsheviks who did not believe in god. Why do you objectify Jews as some monolithic creatures from another planet. Many Jews are godless many Jews are religious. Same with Christians. Many Jews have power, many are penniless and powerless.
That coupled with the predominantly jewish led and inspired Communist International that was then engaged in fermenting revolutionary movements across Europe and beyond, of course marked the jews residing within Europe out as a “uniquely†pernicious and dangerous influence.�
Jews existed in the countries they lived in as the counties they lived in granted them rights to live. Jews could not hold public jobs, serve in the army, or farm. So they were rather stuck as far as jobs go. Jews were invited by the princes of the empires in Europe to handle money and make them rich. The Jews were only allowed to be bankers. or merchants. And they were good at their job. The Jews did the best they could, while the Catholic church demonized them as a satanic cult because it was a good way of recruiting people during Medieval times. Jews contributed greatly to the culture of the countries they inhabited. They were hated because they killed Jesus the savior of the world, who just happened to be a Jew. People hate Jews for religious reasons, the rest is made. up.
It´s natural that the “rounding up of jews†happened within several different occupied countries , because jews then (as now, imo) had no country of their own,, though they maintained a national identity across the diaspora. That´s to say, they existed as a distinct nation across the numerous territories where they resided, but which, by their own choice, they did not belong to.�
This is too stupid to answer. Hitler and the NS were a sadistic psychopathic group of people that terrorized everyone not just Jews, but had an almost cosmic hatred of the Jews that was obsessive and for no reason. I think you will find the Globalist in Belgium the instigators of immigrants destroying the cultures of countries. People like Angela Merkel, and the leaders of the EU, who are mostly not Jews.
And from that desire of the Germans to rid Europe of its jewish problem, is born a whole new chapter in the “unique†history of “the jewsâ€, who now have succeeded in inflicting on all of their Host Nations across the world, a “woke†holocaustian ideology intended and designed to undermine and deracinate our traditional cultures and values, whilst our economies are destroyed by a very jewish neoliberalism.Thus we come full circle, to the point that victimised European peoples, fearful for their futures, fearful of jewish political and societal predominance, search and seek for a “final solution†to the jewish problem, with some even (horrifyingly) suggesting genocide as a solution(!). Thus, in turn, exacerbating the genuinely felt fears of the holocausian faithful..!
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Jews have set themselves apart from the rest of mankind throughout their existence, firstly as a people specially and uniquely chosen by God to rule and dominate over all nations, secondly as a people uniquely vitimised by those many, many nations from which they have been expelled. And thirdly, as the inheritors of a fabricated holocaustian history, from which they and their shabbos champions will brook no descent.If only the jewish people would abandon their “uniqueness†and integrate with the rest of mankind, as equal inheritors of all the God has created, then we wouldn´t have a problem, and we wouldn´t be having this conversation!You will not let go of your especially jewish suffering, your historic separation from the rest of mankind, or your, inevitably “unique†status. Because ego LOVES to feel special!Would that more of us, regardless of religion, nationality, colour, etc, would lay aside out egoic desire to be special and unique, so that we might evolve into the expression of Love that the Divine Creator of all life placed at the centre, the heart, of all life…This is just a lie, perpetrated by the Catholic Church to recruit Christians. You cannot have people walking around declaring that Jesus was a false prophet. The Jewish people have no special qualities. They were the first in the Abrahamic religions to accept the "one god" concept of a god who could never take corporal form or be described by our senses and was not bound by time or space. It was a pretty far out idea at the time, when the Hittites were sacrificing their children to Baal. I think the Jews contributed to the advancement of the Human race in the history of the world. Judaism contributed the transfer from the barbaric to the civilized with the 10 commandments etc. I mean WTF is your problem with Jews. You are looking for a scape goat. The problems of the world are not caused by the Jews, they are caused by the Human condition of war and bloodshed and conquering. My message to you kali would be to study history, the history of the world, you will find out how the world came to be, that people hate Jews because they are not Christian or Muslim. Kali stop hating Jews it is stupid and makes no sense. Nothing good ever comes to Jew haters, nothing, it always ends badly. Look at Egypt, look at the Romans, look at the NS; The Jews are here for a reason and they are hard wired into a cosmic force.Replies: @Kali, @Eric135, @Eric135
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Pilpul, start to finish, Fran. Typical.
Take care,
Kali.
That is 23,566 out of 475,000. But why transport them at all? There was no room for them in any of the camps, the camps in 1944 were at their worst state. Why couldn't they just stay in their ghettoes in Hungary. Why transport people when there is no place to transport them to?
“If we follow the orthodox narrative, the vast majority of the Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz since May 1944, as well as the Jews deported to Auschwitz from the Lodz Ghetto in August 1944, are said to have been murdered on arrival without having been registered. The data about the Stutthof Camp prove, however, that at least some of these unregistered Jews (23,566, to be precise) were not murdered on arrival but were transferred to other camps as forced laborers.â€
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Well that still leaves about 350,000 missing Jews. Why were those Jews transported in 1944. The sick the old and children, when the Germans could not care for them? What was the point? I do not see how Mattogno's claim that 79,000 were transported to other camps, proves the others were not mass murdered. Maybe the employable Jews were transported, but non of the children, old or sick were transported to other camps.
“One should not surmise that all Jews from the Baltic countries, Hungary and Lodz who were transited through Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 ended up in Stutthof, because that was only a small camp and merely one among many others. Further research about admissions to other camps, to the extent that the records still exist, may reveal that many more Jews were alive and kicking of whom orthodox historians had assumed that they had been murdered. Based on data available to him in 2001, Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable.â€
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No Mattogno was not able to prove that there was mass murder, he can only prove that 79,00 out of the 475,000 were not murdered. What happened to the rest of them?Replies: @John Wear, @Eric135
Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable �
You ask: “My point is why transfer them at all.”
My response: What am I supposed to present to you? Do you want a specific German document stating why the Germans transferred the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? I doubt if one exists.
You state: “I do not see how Mattogno’s claim that 79,000 were transported to other camps, proves the others were not mass murdered.”
My response: We know that the other Hungarian Jews were not subject to a program of mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau because no homicidal gas chambers existed at Auschwitz-Birkenau to carry out such a massive extermination process. The crematoria capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau was also not sufficient to cremate the alleged dead Hungarian Jews in the time period claimed by Holocaust historians. Finally, Allied aerial photographs taken at the height of the alleged extermination of the Hungarian Jews at Birkenau show an uneventful camp devoid of any evidence of a mass extermination program.
The fact that 79,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to other camps proves that many of the Hungarian Jews were not murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. The rest were either transported to other camps, or stayed at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
I expect you to be logical, and serious about the German war effort. You are a historian. When studying the transport of the Hungarian Jews in the summer of 1944, you have to have context. Context is everything. Otherwise we are just guessing. And what is the point of just guessing? Everything about the war effort has been sorted out and discussed. Germany's actions were deliberate, they had plans and reasons for all of their war actions.. If the unregistered Jews were transported to another camp, wouldn't the Germans have kept records of the transports and where the Jews went? For no other reason other than to prove that they were not murdered. They could have faked the documentation but they never did. The Germans never provided proof of what happened to the unregistered Jews, and it is not unreasonable to think that they murdered since they were last seen at a crematorium where dead people are cremated. There is a bit of logic in that idea. Where are the documents of transfers (of the Jews) from Auschwitz to other locations?Other German operations are explained with impeccable logic. The reason they invaded Hungary in 1944 was to avoid Hungary aligning itself with the allies, but the war was going very badly for Germany, the soviets were on the march, and resignation was setting in that the Germans might lose the war, especially with Hitler's advanced Parkinson's disease, aging him two fold, his tremors and shaking, and his inability at the end to make rational choices that would better serve Germany and it's people. Hitler was full of fantasy about a super weapon coming to change his fortunes. In the end Hitlers war decisions were disastrous for Germany. Which is why the assignation attempts. If Hitler had settled on a disarmament plan and negotiated he could have saved Germany the utter devastation that was wrought upon it. Hitler was a sick man physically and psychologically.So again I am asking that given the context of the war effort in 1944. What was the logic in transporting at great logistics and expense 475,000 mostly non employable Jews to Auschwitz? It would seem such a burden on the limited resources to transport the old, the sick and children. Do you see any logic in the actions? Any rational reasons.Would it not have made more sense to transport only the Jews capable of helping with the war effort, the employable Jews, and leave the children, the sick and the elderly in their ghettoes in Hungary? Why did the international community insist Horthly halt the transportations, threatening war crimes if the transports were not stopped. What were the war crimes the international community was talking about? You must have some conjecture, some explaination other than they were not murdered because there were no homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz, therefore they must be alive somewhere. Can you understand how unsatisfactory your responses are in the context and logic of the German situation in 1944. I also wanted to wish you a Mazel Tov on your new UR article on the central park bird watcher, who was not so innocent, and had harassed and threatened dog walkers before, and how this woman lost her job etc. It was a good argument. I would like to encourage you to write on other subjects other then Holocaust revisionism which as this post proves, is deader than a door mat. No one can answer logically not only what happened to the Hungarian Jews, but more importantly why they were shipped to Auschwitz to begin with. H denial is dead, finished, and is only discussed seriously by the mentally deranged and Jew haters that cannot face the fact that the Germans were obsessed with destroying European Jewry. Although there is no written order, that was what was taking place. The NS were murderous sadistic psychopaths, and both Jews, non Jews, all ethnic nationalities that the Germans occupied hated them. The Germans were unnecessarily cruel to civilians, women and children and took pleasure like many people on this thread in seeking the suffering of others. The worst of humanity.Replies: @John Wear, @HdC
You ask: “My point is why transfer them at all.â€My response: What am I supposed to present to you? Do you want a specific German document stating why the Germans transferred the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? I doubt if one exists.
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Thanks. I was aware of Brother Nathanael, whom I often watch.
There is a Baptist church just down the road from where I live here in NE Tennessee, which I attended ONCE. They just finished building a very large & expensive addition, as their building could not accommodate all of the patrons in one sitting. (What does the Bible say about tearing down a barn and building a bigger barn?)
They have their up-to-date digital sign out in front of the building. (What does the Bible say about being IN the world, rather than OF the world?) Every day, after an entertainment service, they have multiple vehicles there (to count the money?). Likewise, every day, before an entertainment service, they have vehicles there (to line up the entertainment?)
The area where I live is relatively poor. There are many trailers (mobile homes) in which people live, because they cannot afford homes. Money for tattoos, piercings & designer tennis shoes notwithstanding. Many of the trailers should have been scrapped 20 years ago, but people still live in them. And they will stick these trailers anywhere the ground is half-way level.
The situation here in NE Tennessee is just the opposite of where I am from – northern Illinois. Back in Illinois, there were a plethora of bars & taverns; here there are churches – predominantly Baptist churches. I was very surprised when I moved here and found how few bars & taverns there were here.
Please don’t think that I’m picking on the Baptists; they are all the same, as far as I’m concerned. If these churches were so concerned “with saving souls,” they would be meeting in tents, sitting on wood benches and using their money to actually HELP others. They are only concerned with being entertained (in comfort) and keeping their 501(c)(3) income tax exemptions.
Thank you.
“You forgot something. Global warming. No Jews no global warming.”
Hysteria regarding overpopulation – which led whites of non-Jewish heritage in my generation not to have a lot of children (with the notable exceptions of the Amish and Mormons) — was mostly caused by a book called The Population Bomb (1971), which was written by the Jew Paul Ehrlich.
A professor at Stanford, Ehrlich predicted that civilization would collapse in 15 years if population growth wasn’t curbed. He said if people didn’t cooperate voluntarily, they would have to be coerced.
Ehrlich is still around, and he hasn’t taken any responsibility for his false predictions.
Because of Ehrlich getting whites of Christian heritage not to have children, Jews like Barbara Lerner Spectre have had a ready-made “reason” for promoting the Great Replacement of white people by brown people in Europe and in the Anglophone countries because there are supposedly not enough whites to do all the work that needs to be done.
The Jew George Soros is always an honored guest at The World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, which focuses on “sustainability” and has called for all the world’s resources – water, food, energy, etc. – to be owned and controlled by a small elite and then rationed out to to the rest of us. One of the WEF’s promotions says, “It’s 2030. You own nothing and you are happy.”
The Jew Larry Fink, whose company BlackRock controls about $10 trillion in pension money, has positioned his company as one of the top three shareholders in every major corporation in the United States.
Fink has successfully pressured these corporations to promote the World Economic Forum’s sustainability objectives (ESG) in addition to DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion – which means discrimination against white males) and CRT.
Thanks to Fink, companies – even those whose retail outlets were looted and burned down during “the summer of love” – have made lavish contributions to BLM and Antifa.
Fink is behind it all: LGBTQ, “white privilege” seminars, global warming hoax, etc.
The Jew Yuval Noah Harari, the “Mini-Me” of the World Economic Forum’s executive director Klaus Schwab, has said that most people are useless eaters and polluters who need to be completely controlled with surveillance and social credit scores and eventually gotten rid of.
He says people are “hackable” and have no souls. There is no God. And there is no such thing as freedom.
Look at anything that’s bad, and Jews will always be heavily involved in the very worst aspects.
To your list of murders by Jews, I would add the murder of little Mary Phagan by Leo Frank and the Leopold Loeb murders in Chicago.
Also, hundreds of thousands of murders committed by blacks against whites in the United States.
Chuck Baldwin is an excellent Jew-wise preacher. He recommends other churches on his website.
To Baldwin I would add the following:
Jerry Barrett, successor to the great Texe Marrs (texe marrs dot com).
Rick Wiles and Dr. Raymond Burkhart (trunews dot com)
Brother Nathanael (Nathanael Kapner). Kapner is a Jew who became an Orthodox Christian. (realjewnews dot com)
Jim Dowson, Knights Templar Order
Older preachers whose sermons and writings are still available:
Sheldon Emry
Wesley A. Swift
Bertrand L. Comparet
Jacob Elon Conner
Curtis Clair Ewing
Ted R. Weiland
James E. Wise
Charles Lee Mange
W. J. Cameron
Ministries:
Flowing Streams Ministry (Rick Wiles and Dr. Raymond Burkhart)
Kingdom Identity Ministries
Sacred Truth Ministries
Church of Jesus Christ-Christian
Watchman Outreach Ministries
Rabbis:
Rabbi Yaron Reuven
Rabbi Yosef Tsvi
I got your latest posting asking why I did not respond to this e-mail. It appears we are just going in circles, you do not believe the Holocaust exist, I do. I tried to show you indisputable documentation from even Holocaust deniers that proves parts of the Holocaust to be indisputable. Like the Ghetto system. I tried to point out that that rounding up Jewsish citizens of occupied countries was against the laws of war. These Jews were civilians not enemy combatants. And the Germans rounded up Jews in every country they occupied , without Jurisprudence.
Never in the history of warfare civilians from country to country routed up because of their religion.The German and the 3rd Reich’s obsession with the Jews was psychotic. Usually people fight for land or ownership, or to protect their citizens. The Germans hunted down the Jews down because because they were sadist, psychotic people who get off on watching people suffer.
I do note that you reject out of hand any and all evidence that denies “your people†their “unique†suffering, preferring instead to rely on the “scribes and scholars†of the Holocaustian scriptures to inform your beliefs. BECAUSE, that belief system grants your people “unique status†amongst all others. And such a prize that is, how much power and influence it grants you as a people, how much political and societal predominance it bestows upon you within those nations, world-wide, that continue to host the jewish diaspora.
This makes no sense to me. I do not know what you are talking about. I do not talk about the Jews in the manner you describe. I prove with facts that the Holocaust existed. Many of my family members were murdered in the Holocaust the rest of them were placed in DP camps and my parents sponsored them to come to the US. Why would I net believe what they witnessed? Because Holocaust deniers claim they are making it up. I believe my family not the deniers, as I am sure you would believe your family. Does not make their suffering more important than others suffering. None of the survivors in my family ever, ever discussed the Holocaust you could not bring it up. They would have rather been Himmler than victims, They were not boasting about their unique suffering they were humiliated.
If you are really interested in people with a unique status, why not look at the Aristocracy, the feudal land systems, and the Empires. Now there are people with unique power and superiority over others no? Don’t you think the Romanovs thought they were a little special, and superior to the non aristocrat.
That coupled with the predominantly jewish led and inspired Communist International that was then engaged in fermenting revolutionary movements across Europe and beyond, of course marked the jews residing within Europe out as a “uniquely†pernicious and dangerous influence.
This is a lie. The Jews were overrepresented in the Bolshevik takeover, but the Jews were only 2% of the Russian population. The vast majority of Bolsheviks were non Jews. The Jews that are pointed out as being Jews, were not fully Jewish, did not represent Jewish laws, and did not practice Judaism.. Other Jews despised them. There were more Jews that were anti Bolshevik then there were Bolshevik. Jews Communism was godless. Religious Jews rejected Jewish Bolsheviks who did not believe in god. Why do you objectify Jews as some monolithic creatures from another planet. Many Jews are godless many Jews are religious. Same with Christians. Many Jews have power, many are penniless and powerless.
It´s natural that the “rounding up of jews†happened within several different occupied countries , because jews then (as now, imo) had no country of their own,, though they maintained a national identity across the diaspora. That´s to say, they existed as a distinct nation across the numerous territories where they resided, but which, by their own choice, they did not belong to.
Jews existed in the countries they lived in as the counties they lived in granted them rights to live. Jews could not hold public jobs, serve in the army, or farm. So they were rather stuck as far as jobs go. Jews were invited by the princes of the empires in Europe to handle money and make them rich. The Jews were only allowed to be bankers. or merchants. And they were good at their job. The Jews did the best they could, while the Catholic church demonized them as a satanic cult because it was a good way of recruiting people during Medieval times. Jews contributed greatly to the culture of the countries they inhabited. They were hated because they killed Jesus the savior of the world, who just happened to be a Jew. People hate Jews for religious reasons, the rest is made. up.
And from that desire of the Germans to rid Europe of its jewish problem, is born a whole new chapter in the “unique†history of “the jewsâ€, who now have succeeded in inflicting on all of their Host Nations across the world, a “woke†holocaustian ideology intended and designed to undermine and deracinate our traditional cultures and values, whilst our economies are destroyed by a very jewish neoliberalism.
Thus we come full circle, to the point that victimised European peoples, fearful for their futures, fearful of jewish political and societal predominance, search and seek for a “final solution†to the jewish problem, with some even (horrifyingly) suggesting genocide as a solution(!). Thus, in turn, exacerbating the genuinely felt fears of the holocausian faithful..!
This is too stupid to answer. Hitler and the NS were a sadistic psychopathic group of people that terrorized everyone not just Jews, but had an almost cosmic hatred of the Jews that was obsessive and for no reason. I think you will find the Globalist in Belgium the instigators of immigrants destroying the cultures of countries. People like Angela Merkel, and the leaders of the EU, who are mostly not Jews.
Jews have set themselves apart from the rest of mankind throughout their existence, firstly as a people specially and uniquely chosen by God to rule and dominate over all nations, secondly as a people uniquely vitimised by those many, many nations from which they have been expelled. And thirdly, as the inheritors of a fabricated holocaustian history, from which they and their shabbos champions will brook no descent.
If only the jewish people would abandon their “uniqueness†and integrate with the rest of mankind, as equal inheritors of all the God has created, then we wouldn´t have a problem, and we wouldn´t be having this conversation!
You will not let go of your especially jewish suffering, your historic separation from the rest of mankind, or your, inevitably “unique†status. Because ego LOVES to feel special!
Would that more of us, regardless of religion, nationality, colour, etc, would lay aside out egoic desire to be special and unique, so that we might evolve into the expression of Love that the Divine Creator of all life placed at the centre, the heart, of all life…
This is just a lie, perpetrated by the Catholic Church to recruit Christians. You cannot have people walking around declaring that Jesus was a false prophet. The Jewish people have no special qualities. They were the first in the Abrahamic religions to accept the “one god” concept of a god who could never take corporal form or be described by our senses and was not bound by time or space. It was a pretty far out idea at the time, when the Hittites were sacrificing their children to Baal. I think the Jews contributed to the advancement of the Human race in the history of the world. Judaism contributed the transfer from the barbaric to the civilized with the 10 commandments etc. I mean WTF is your problem with Jews. You are looking for a scape goat. The problems of the world are not caused by the Jews, they are caused by the Human condition of war and bloodshed and conquering.
My message to you kali would be to study history, the history of the world, you will find out how the world came to be, that people hate Jews because they are not Christian or Muslim. Kali stop hating Jews it is stupid and makes no sense. Nothing good ever comes to Jew haters, nothing, it always ends badly. Look at Egypt, look at the Romans, look at the NS; The Jews are here for a reason and they are hard wired into a cosmic force.
That is not the point John. No one is saying that we need to prove the murder of the 475,000 at Auschwitz-Birkenau. That is scarcely the point. We are looking for the logic and the reason for the transports?The question posed are about the logic and credible reason of the German's actions. The why. You say the Jews were interned because they were considered enemies of Germany. Fine. ALL the Hungarian Jewish Civilians were placed in Ghettoes of inhumane conditions. Why? 1944. All the Jews were rounded up, lost their worldly possessions and placed in ridiculous conditions. Why in the summer of 1944, when the Germans were losing the war, did Eichmann decide to transport the old, the sick and children, non employable Jews to a camp (Auschwitz) that had standing room only. There was literally no room to house or feed or care for these Jews. So why spend so much time, effort and money to transport Jews who were already locked under key in ghettoes, and posed no threat to the Germans? Why? You, the Germans must have a stated purpose. You always manipulate and change the direction of the question. Like there were a lot of disabled Jews like Primo Levy in Auschwitz, who survived. That Bergen-Belsen had a lot of disabled Jews in camps. Like many disabled Jews survived. So what? How does this answer the question of the 475,000 in the summer of 1974
My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you can, please give me your documentation.
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“We are looking for the logic and the reason for the transports.”
Hungary wanted to get rid of its Jews – and for good reason.
The Hungarians remembered that their country had been taken over by a Jewish-led communist revolution shortly after WW I.
Hungary had suffered under the communist dictatorship of the Jew Bela Kun.
His Jewish subordinate – Tibor Szamueli – terrorized Christians in Hungary, traveling around in a special train and having people — men, women and children — tortured and executed.
This is why Hungary was allied with Germany during WW II.
This why Hungarians welcomed German assistance in transporting Jews out of the country.
John I am asking you about a specific incident. What in 1944 did the Germans transport 475,000 Jews to Auschwitz when there was no room for them, and there was no money as it was at the end of the war, to transport the Jews to another camp. There is also no records of non registered Jews being transferred to another camp. My point is why transfer them at all. They were non employable. I ask you this question a lot, and you never answer.
“If we follow the orthodox narrative, the vast majority of the Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz since May 1944, as well as the Jews deported to Auschwitz from the Lodz Ghetto in August 1944, are said to have been murdered on arrival without having been registered. The data about the Stutthof Camp prove, however, that at least some of these unregistered Jews (23,566, to be precise) were not murdered on arrival but were transferred to other camps as forced laborers.â€
That is 23,566 out of 475,000. But why transport them at all? There was no room for them in any of the camps, the camps in 1944 were at their worst state. Why couldn’t they just stay in their ghettoes in Hungary. Why transport people when there is no place to transport them to?
“One should not surmise that all Jews from the Baltic countries, Hungary and Lodz who were transited through Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 ended up in Stutthof, because that was only a small camp and merely one among many others. Further research about admissions to other camps, to the extent that the records still exist, may reveal that many more Jews were alive and kicking of whom orthodox historians had assumed that they had been murdered. Based on data available to him in 2001, Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable.â€
Well that still leaves about 350,000 missing Jews. Why were those Jews transported in 1944. The sick the old and children, when the Germans could not care for them? What was the point? I do not see how Mattogno’s claim that 79,000 were transported to other camps, proves the others were not mass murdered. Maybe the employable Jews were transported, but non of the children, old or sick were transported to other camps.
What was the whole point of these transports in 1944 when the Russians were moving in. Why liquidate the Lodz ghetto?
Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable
No Mattogno was not able to prove that there was mass murder, he can only prove that 79,00 out of the 475,000 were not murdered. What happened to the rest of them?
What did (do) YOU do? Probably nothing, as well.
Being a 72-year-old retired industrial electrician I, personally, am powerless to do anything about the current situation in which we find ourselves here in the United States.
The few actions that I have been able to take, insofar as to not be an enabler of the “system” –
1. I only bank at a member-owned credit union, as I have done for the past 20 years.
2. I removed what little money I had in the stock market
3. I minimized the amount of personal debt that I have – my only debt being a mortgage on my residence. I had enough money to purchase the house outright but had I done so, I would have incurred a huge income tax liability from redeeming an IRA.
4. I minimize my purchases from the Big Box stores, Amazon AND Walmart.
5. I try to “buy local” wherever possible
6. I no longer vote in ANY national elections; I have nothing but contempt for all of the politicians currently holding office.
Other than that, there is nothing that I am aware of that I can do to effect any positive change in my country.
Thank you.
You write: “I am asking you the reason the Jews were transported to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944, when there was no room for them.”
My response: Some Jews would have stayed at Auschwitz-Birkenau, while other Jews would have been sent elsewhere.
Traditional Holocaust historians who believe in the official Holocaust narrative acknowledge that Auschwitz served as a transit camp. For example, Edwin Black writes that Auschwitz was a labor camp, a transit camp, as well as an extermination camp where Jews were immediately exterminated in gas chambers upon arrival. (Source: Black, Edwin, IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America’s Most Powerful Corporation, New York: Crown Publishers, 2001, p. 351).
Germar Rudolf writes on page 304 in the 4th edition of his book “Lectures on the Holocaust”:
“Since late June 1944, large transports of Jews arrived at Stutthof. They came mainly either from the Baltic countries or from the Auschwitz Camp. The first set was the result of the Red Army advancing into these countries, leading to the evacuation of all sorts of camps in that area, while the second set consisted of Jews from Hungary and the Lodz Ghetto, for whom Auschwitz had only been a transit camp.”
Rudolf continues:
“If we follow the orthodox narrative, the vast majority of the Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz since May 1944, as well as the Jews deported to Auschwitz from the Lodz Ghetto in August 1944, are said to have been murdered on arrival without having been registered. The data about the Stutthof Camp prove, however, that at least some of these unregistered Jews (23,566, to be precise) were not murdered on arrival but were transferred to other camps as forced laborers.”
Rudolf continues on pp. 304-305:
“One should not surmise that all Jews from the Baltic countries, Hungary and Lodz who were transited through Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 ended up in Stutthof, because that was only a small camp and merely one among many others. Further research about admissions to other camps, to the extent that the records still exist, may reveal that many more Jews were alive and kicking of whom orthodox historians had assumed that they had been murdered. Based on data available to him in 2001, Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable.”
That is 23,566 out of 475,000. But why transport them at all? There was no room for them in any of the camps, the camps in 1944 were at their worst state. Why couldn't they just stay in their ghettoes in Hungary. Why transport people when there is no place to transport them to?
“If we follow the orthodox narrative, the vast majority of the Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz since May 1944, as well as the Jews deported to Auschwitz from the Lodz Ghetto in August 1944, are said to have been murdered on arrival without having been registered. The data about the Stutthof Camp prove, however, that at least some of these unregistered Jews (23,566, to be precise) were not murdered on arrival but were transferred to other camps as forced laborers.â€
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Well that still leaves about 350,000 missing Jews. Why were those Jews transported in 1944. The sick the old and children, when the Germans could not care for them? What was the point? I do not see how Mattogno's claim that 79,000 were transported to other camps, proves the others were not mass murdered. Maybe the employable Jews were transported, but non of the children, old or sick were transported to other camps.
“One should not surmise that all Jews from the Baltic countries, Hungary and Lodz who were transited through Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 ended up in Stutthof, because that was only a small camp and merely one among many others. Further research about admissions to other camps, to the extent that the records still exist, may reveal that many more Jews were alive and kicking of whom orthodox historians had assumed that they had been murdered. Based on data available to him in 2001, Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable.â€
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No Mattogno was not able to prove that there was mass murder, he can only prove that 79,00 out of the 475,000 were not murdered. What happened to the rest of them?Replies: @John Wear, @Eric135
Mattogno was able to prove that at least 79,200 of the Hungarian Jews who were deported to Auschwitz but remained unregistered, had been transported to other camps– without having been murdered. Stutthof demonstrates therefore that the orthodox conjecture about the mass murder of inmates who were not registered on arrival at Auschwitz is untenable �
fufu definitely suffers from the affliction of Projection, a well known disease by psychiatrists.
That is not the point John. No one is saying that we need to prove the murder of the 475,000 at Auschwitz-Birkenau. That is scarcely the point. We are looking for the logic and the reason for the transports?The question posed are about the logic and credible reason of the German's actions. The why. You say the Jews were interned because they were considered enemies of Germany. Fine. ALL the Hungarian Jewish Civilians were placed in Ghettoes of inhumane conditions. Why? 1944. All the Jews were rounded up, lost their worldly possessions and placed in ridiculous conditions. Why in the summer of 1944, when the Germans were losing the war, did Eichmann decide to transport the old, the sick and children, non employable Jews to a camp (Auschwitz) that had standing room only. There was literally no room to house or feed or care for these Jews. So why spend so much time, effort and money to transport Jews who were already locked under key in ghettoes, and posed no threat to the Germans? Why? You, the Germans must have a stated purpose. You always manipulate and change the direction of the question. Like there were a lot of disabled Jews like Primo Levy in Auschwitz, who survived. That Bergen-Belsen had a lot of disabled Jews in camps. Like many disabled Jews survived. So what? How does this answer the question of the 475,000 in the summer of 1974
My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you can, please give me your documentation.
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You wrote: “…The Germans were obsessed with the Jews, in an illogical, delusional, psychopathic passion. …”
Says you, or whoever you copied this statement from.
But you conveniently left out the bit where “Judea Declares War on Germany” in 1933. That declaration of war makes every Judean the self-avowed enemy of Germany.
I believe that Germany was quite lenient on the Jews what with that declaration of war. Before you table your claptrap that it “wasn’t a real war because Judeans had no army”, etc., there are numerous other ways to wage war.
I am asking you the reason the Jews were transported to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944, when there was no room for them.
You write: “In your book https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/ in Chapter Six • The German Expellees you strongly suggest that there were 2.1 million dead German resettlers and you don’t even mention that this number could be 0,5 million. Now you pretend that you don’t know how many Germans were deliberately killed by Allies after war?”
My response: In Chapter 6, on page 251 of my book, I write: “Probably 2.1 million or more of these German expellees, mostly women and children, died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane†expulsion.” The word “probably” does not mean that I know how many German expellees died after the war.
The 500,000 minimum estimate comes from page 1 of the book “Orderly and Humane” by R. M. Douglas.
In Chapter Seven, page 332 of my book, I write: “For example, Konrad Adenauer, the first chancellor of West Germany, estimated that 6 million German expellees died. Adenauer states:
“According to American figures a total of 13.3 million Germans were expelled from the eastern parts of Germany, from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and so on. 7.3 million [German expellees] arrived in the eastern zone and the three western zones, most of these in the latter. Six million Germans have vanished from the Earth. They are dead, gone. Most of the 7.3 million who stayed alive are women, children, and old people.”
So, I have never claimed that I know how many German expellees were killed after the war. No one knows.
You write: “You are manipulator Mr. John Wear.”
You write: “You are constantly avoiding answering the simplest questions Mr. John Wear. That makes you dishonest person.”
My response: You keep on calling me a liar, a dishonest person, a manipulator, and other pejorative names. Thus, I will stop all communications with you, both now and in the future.
#1121 Eric135
“The U.S. would be infinitely better off without Jews.
No WW I
etc. ”
No USA – no Jewish power.
Jews have power in USA and Western World only because American morons allowed them to seize power.
For over 100 years (since 1913 -rise of Federal Reserve System) regular Americans have done nothing to limit financial and political power of Jewry.
What did you do to change this situation? Boomer.
You did nothing.
That is not the point John. No one is saying that we need to prove the murder of the 475,000 at Auschwitz-Birkenau. That is scarcely the point. We are looking for the logic and the reason for the transports?The question posed are about the logic and credible reason of the German's actions. The why. You say the Jews were interned because they were considered enemies of Germany. Fine. ALL the Hungarian Jewish Civilians were placed in Ghettoes of inhumane conditions. Why? 1944. All the Jews were rounded up, lost their worldly possessions and placed in ridiculous conditions. Why in the summer of 1944, when the Germans were losing the war, did Eichmann decide to transport the old, the sick and children, non employable Jews to a camp (Auschwitz) that had standing room only. There was literally no room to house or feed or care for these Jews. So why spend so much time, effort and money to transport Jews who were already locked under key in ghettoes, and posed no threat to the Germans? Why? You, the Germans must have a stated purpose. You always manipulate and change the direction of the question. Like there were a lot of disabled Jews like Primo Levy in Auschwitz, who survived. That Bergen-Belsen had a lot of disabled Jews in camps. Like many disabled Jews survived. So what? How does this answer the question of the 475,000 in the summer of 1974
My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you can, please give me your documentation.
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You write: “No one is saying that we need to prove the murder of the 475,000 at Auschwitz-Birkenau. That is scarcely the point.”
My response: In any murder trial, the prosecution is required to prove that the defendant(s) committed murder. This has never been done in the case of the so-called Holocaust.
You are manipulator Mr. John Wear.
“My response: As I have said before, I don’t know how many German expellees died after World War II. “
In your book
https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/ in Chapter Six • The German Expellees
you strongly suggest that there were 2.1 milion dead German resettlers and you don’t even mention that this number could be 0,5 milion.
Now you pretend that you don’t know how many Germans were deliberately killed by Allies after war?
And one more citation from your book:
“Both Germany and the Soviet Union were guilty of major atrocities against Polish citizens during and after their conquest of Poland. However, in the case of Germany, many of their atrocities were reprisals for crimes committed by the Polish government against ethnic Germans in Poland. Poland’s reign of terror had forced Germany to invade Poland to end the atrocities against Poland’s ethnic Germans.”
So, Germans have right to kill 2 milion ethnic Poles because Poles allegedly harassed (without killing) German minority in Poland before 1939.
Strange logic, it must be “German logic” (it means that Germans have more rights than other countries).
“My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau.”
Read again my post #1094.
I’ve nerver said that Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz.
I said that Hungarian Jewish were murdered by Germans (method and place of murdering is other story).
Do you know other places where 400 000 Hungarian Jews could hide and survive German occupation? No? Then it is more than possible that they were killed by Germans.
Do you agree?
You are constantly avoiding asnwering the simplest questions Mr. John Wear.
That makes you dishonest person.
That is an hilarious post. You better get busy hunting. You forgot something.
Global warming. No Jews no global warming.
Please allow me to add to the list that “Eric135” started:
No murder of James Hoffa
No murder of Walter Reuther
No murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer
No murder of Dorothy Kilgallen
No murder of Marilyn Monroe
No Three Mile Island accident
No Fukushima accident
No pollution of the earth’s air & water by atomic waste (including depleted uranium)
No suspicious or untimely deaths of the many people who were even tangentially connected with the murder of JFK
I used to be a regular church-going person, but not any more. The churches are all “in on this” – with the exception of church leaders such as Chuck Baldwin, of Kalispell, Montana and Louis Farrakhan, of Chicago, Illinois. If you can think of any other church leaders, other than Mr. Baldwin and Mr. Farrakhan (including Jewish church leaders), please let me know. I am not aware of any.
I used to think that the Jews were God’s “chosen people” – but I now group them with the American WASPs and their British accomplices. If that makes me an antisemite, that is fine with me.
To repeat what one Unz commenter said, what good thing has even one Jew done for me? I appreciate this forum, but I am indirectly subsidizing it by my monthly internet service provider fees that I pay.
It is just as one very wise person once said: “Behind every fortune lies a crime!”
Thank you!
Hi Fran,
Maybe you missed my reply to you? Comment 1075.
Kali.
“Leave the Jews alone.”
They need to leave us alone.
You have your own country now, Jews.
Please go there.
We don’t let other countries meddle in our affairs.
Why should we allow Jews — who have their own country now — to meddle in our affairs?
The U.S. would be infinitely better off without Jews.
No WW I
No WW II
No race riots
Much lower crime
Prosperous working and middle classes
Updated infrastructure
High fertility
No “Great Replacement” of white people by brown people
No Patriot Act
No spying on American citizens
No BLM
No Antifa
No JFK assassination
No RFK assassination,
No double-standard of justice
No CRT
No SEL
No DEI
No ESG
No out-of-control FBI and intel agencies
No feminism
No lawsuits against Christian crosses and Nativity scenes
No turning Christmas parades into “holiday parades”
No demonizing of white Christian people
No demonizing of America
No Bernie Madoff
No Ivan Boesky
No Sarah Silverman
No Larry Silverstein
No Michael Milken
No Sam Bankman-Fried
No Jeffrey Epstein
No Anthony Wiener
No Larry Fink
No George Soros
No Merrick Garland
No Anthony Blinken
No Alejandro Mayorkas
No Rochelle Walensky
No Victoria Nuland
No Lois Lerner
No Richard (“Rachel”) Levine
No Nina Jankowicz
No Peter Strzok
No Lisa Page
No Madeleine Albright
No Jonathan Pollard
No Sidney Rittenberg
No Solomon Adler
No Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
No Jerry Nadler
No Adam Schiff
No Alexander Vindman
No Russiagate
No Ukrainegate
No Holohoax
No “Zuckerbucks”
No Holohoax museums outnumbering WW II memorials
No Ukraine proxy war against Russia
No U.S. coups and attempted coups in Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan
No wars for Israel
No trans kids
No porn in school libraries
No 9/11
No wars for Israel
No Hollywood making “American” films that aren’t American but Jewish
No ugly, talentless “art”
No woke culture
No cancel culture
No attacks on free speech
No cultural Marxism
Etc., etc.
The only Jews who should be allowed to stay are the ones who mind their own business.
Even they should not be given citizenship but resident permits as long as they behave themselves.
Napoleon made a terrible mistake when he emancipated the Jews and allowed them to become citizens — not just in France, but in all the parts of Europe that he conquered.
The United States made a terrible mistake when allowed Jews to be citizens.
My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you can, please give me your documentation.
That is not the point John. No one is saying that we need to prove the murder of the 475,000 at Auschwitz-Birkenau. That is scarcely the point. We are looking for the logic and the reason for the transports?
The question posed are about the logic and credible reason of the German’s actions. The why. You say the Jews were interned because they were considered enemies of Germany. Fine. ALL the Hungarian Jewish Civilians were placed in Ghettoes of inhumane conditions. Why? 1944. All the Jews were rounded up, lost their worldly possessions and placed in ridiculous conditions.
Why in the summer of 1944, when the Germans were losing the war, did Eichmann decide to transport the old, the sick and children, non employable Jews to a camp (Auschwitz) that had standing room only. There was literally no room to house or feed or care for these Jews. So why spend so much time, effort and money to transport Jews who were already locked under key in ghettoes, and posed no threat to the Germans? Why? You, the Germans must have a stated purpose.
You always manipulate and change the direction of the question. Like there were a lot of disabled Jews like Primo Levy in Auschwitz, who survived. That Bergen-Belsen had a lot of disabled Jews in camps. Like many disabled Jews survived. So what? How does this answer the question of the 475,000 in the summer of 1974
You post your statements like you know they make no sense. Some part of you knows that there was an attempt to eradicate the Jews. The Germans were obsessed with the Jews, in an illogical, delusional, psychopathic passion. That made no sense to the people watching.
You write: “You play on Reader’s heartstrings. Your long comment didn’t prove that Allies deliberately killed 2.1 mln Germans after war…You are manipulator Mr. John Wear.”
My response: As I have said before, I don’t know how many German expellees died after World War II. It might have been as few as 500,000 as R. M. Douglas suggests, or it might have been as many as 6 million as Dr. Konrad Adenauer states. No one knows. No historian that I am aware of has ever done the research to determine even a rough approximation of how many German expellees died after the war.
This whole discussion intiated when I was asked to document where all of the Hungarian Jews went. I know they were not mass murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau, because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. I cannot, however, document where all of the Hungarian Jews went.
My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you can, please give me your documentation.
That is not the point John. No one is saying that we need to prove the murder of the 475,000 at Auschwitz-Birkenau. That is scarcely the point. We are looking for the logic and the reason for the transports?The question posed are about the logic and credible reason of the German's actions. The why. You say the Jews were interned because they were considered enemies of Germany. Fine. ALL the Hungarian Jewish Civilians were placed in Ghettoes of inhumane conditions. Why? 1944. All the Jews were rounded up, lost their worldly possessions and placed in ridiculous conditions. Why in the summer of 1944, when the Germans were losing the war, did Eichmann decide to transport the old, the sick and children, non employable Jews to a camp (Auschwitz) that had standing room only. There was literally no room to house or feed or care for these Jews. So why spend so much time, effort and money to transport Jews who were already locked under key in ghettoes, and posed no threat to the Germans? Why? You, the Germans must have a stated purpose. You always manipulate and change the direction of the question. Like there were a lot of disabled Jews like Primo Levy in Auschwitz, who survived. That Bergen-Belsen had a lot of disabled Jews in camps. Like many disabled Jews survived. So what? How does this answer the question of the 475,000 in the summer of 1974
My question for you is: Can you document that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you can, please give me your documentation.
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Leave the Jews alone. You can pick on me all you like. I consider Jew hatred a disease, a mental illness, an obsession. So no matter.
I fight lies on here. That is all. You had a slew of lies that I ran over with a mack truck.
#1114 John Wear
You play on Reader’s heartstrings.
Your long comment didn’t prove that Allies deliberately killed 2.1 mln Germans after war.
You also didn’t prove that Poles exterminated 56 000 Germans in 1939.
You also didn’t prove that 400 000 Hungarian Jews weren’t killed by Germans in 1944.
You compromised again as researcher trying to manipulate Reader’s attention to focus on a few examples instead of general view.
You are manipulator Mr. John Wear.
My point on why further communication is pointless If the Jews are the enemy of mankind. And my tactics are typical to Jewish tactics. And I am. Jew. What is the point. You know what I think. I am not going to change. I presented to you the best of the Jewish thinkers on the questions you were asking. They are the best answers. They are the true answers on why Jews can never accept Jesus as god or as an intermediary to god that we all need to accept and go thru or burn in hell. Christianity is antithetical to Judaism and our beliefs. We were designed by Hashem to reject it. Your obsession with Jews and their rejection of Jesus as being the enemies of mankind proves how mentally ill you are. We Jews do not call Christianity the enemy of mankind. We are happy for you that you have found salvation. Just leave us alone. Stop blaming us for your failures. Hashem has kept the Jews thriving for a reason. Why not focus on what Hashem wants and respect his wishes.Replies: @Eric135
In reply to my question, “Do you continue to falsely claim that the Old Testament did not say the Messiah would be God in human form?â€, you sidestep the question and expound on why Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah.This is a typical Jewish tactic.
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“Just leave us alone.”
You’re the one who comes into these threads. You must know that you’re not going to get a sympathetic reception.
Poor Fran, nobody will leave her alone, she’s such a victim – LOL.
I will continue with the lethal treatment of the German expellees after World War II.
Numerous journalists, military, and government leaders continued to report problems with the expulsion process. Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower telegraphed Washington, D.C. on October 18, 1945, to warn of the dangers of the German expulsions:
“In Silesia, Polish administration and methods are causing a mass exodus westward of German inhabitants. Germans are being ordered out of their homes and to evacuate New Poland. Many unable to move are placed in camps on meager rations and under poor sanitary conditions. Death and disease rate in camps extremely high.
…Methods used by Poles definitely do not conform to Potsdam agreement….
Breslau death rate increased tenfold and death rate reported to be 75% of all births. Typhoid, typhus, dysentery, and diphtheria are spreading.
Total number potentially involved in westward movement to Russian zone of Germany from Poland and Czechoslovakia in range of 10 million…No coordinated measures yet taken to direct stream of refugees into specific regions or provide food and shelter.
…[There exists] serious danger of epidemic of such great proportion as to menace all Europe, including our troops, and to probability of mass starvation [on an] unprecedented scale.” (Source: De Zayas, Alfred-Maurice, A Terrible Revenge: The Ethnic Cleansing of the East European Germans, 2nd edition, New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2006, p. 115).
Eisenhower’s primary concern in sending this telegraph was probably the danger of epidemics in such great proportion as to menace all of Europe, including the Allied troops. Eisenhower had repeatedly stated that he hated the Germans and wanted to be extremely hard on them after the war. (Source: Bacque, James, Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950, 2nd edition, Vancouver, British Columbia: Talonbooks, 2007, pp. 25-26).
Donald Mackenzie, a New York Daily News correspondent, reported from Berlin:
“In the windswept courtyard of the Stettiner Bahnhof, a cohort of German refugees, part of 12,000,000 to 19,000,000 dispossessed in East Prussia and Silesia, sat in groups under a driving rain and told the story of their miserable pilgrimage, during which more than 25 percent died by the roadside and the remainder were so starved they scarcely had strength to walk.
Filthy, emaciated, and carrying their few remaining possessions wrapped in bits of cloth they shrank away crouching when one approached them in the railway terminal, expecting to be beaten or robbed or worse. That is what they have become accustomed to expect.
A nurse from Stettin, a young, good-looking blond, told how her father had been stabbed to death by Russian soldiers who, after raping her mother and sister, tried to break into her own room. She escaped and hid in a haystack with four other women for four days….
On the train to Berlin she was pillaged once by Russian troops and twice by Poles…Women who resisted were shot dead, she said, and on one occasion she saw a guard take an infant by the legs and crush its skull against a post because the child cried while the guard was raping its mother.
An old peasant from Silesia said…victims were robbed of everything they had, even their shoes. Infants were robbed of their swaddling clothes so that they froze to death. All the healthy girls and women, even those 65 years of age were raped in the train and then robbed, the peasant said.” (Source: Congressional Record, Dec. 4, 1945, p. 11554, and New York Daily News, Oct. 8, 1945).
Robert Greer, a Canadian lieutenant, wrote of his visit to Berlin in late 1945:
“…In driving about [Berlin] on Sunday morning, we came to the Stettiner Bahnhof. It’s a complete wreck of course, the great arched glassway broken and twisted. I went down to the ground level and looked. There were people. Sitting on bundles of clothes, crouched by handcarts and little wagons were people…they were all exhausted and starved and miserable. You’d see a child sitting on a roll of blankets, a girl of perhaps four or five, and her eyes would be only half open and her head would loll occasionally and her eyes blink slowly as though she were only half alive. Beside her, her mother apparently, a woman with her head on her outstretched arm in the most terrible picture of despair and exhaustion and collapse I’ve seen. You could see in the line of her body all the misery that was possible for her to feel…no home, no husband, no food, no place to go, no one to care, nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing but a piece of the floor of the Stettiner Bahnhof and a night of weary hunger. In another place, another woman, sitting with her head in her hands…my God, how often have I sat like that with my stomach sick within me and felt miserable and helpless and uncaring…yet always I had someone to help, or a bed to rest on and a meal to eat and a place to go. For her there was nothing. Even when you see it it’s impossible to believe. What can you do when you have nothing? Where can you go, what can you do, when you have no strength left and hunger is a sickness in your belly? God it was terrible.” (Source: Bacque, James, Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950, 2nd edition, Vancouver, British Columbia: Talonbooks, 2007, pp. 94-95).
Greer saw no men, only women and children. The people Greer described had survived the expulsions in their eastern homelands, where conditions were often even worse. They were wasted, half-dead people. (Source: Ibid., p. 95).
Anne O’Hare McCormick, special correspondent to the New York Times, reported from Germany on February 4, 1946: “…it was also agreed at Potsdam that the forced migration should be carried out ‘in a humane and orderly manner.’ Actually, as everyone knows who has seen the awful sights at the reception centers in Berlin and Munich, the exodus takes place under nightmarish conditions, without any international supervision or any pretense of humane treatment. We share responsibility for horrors only comparable to Nazi cruelties….†(Source: New York Times, Monday, Feb. 4, 1946, “Abroad: As UNO Prepares to Settle in this Neighborhoodâ€).
On December 8, 1945, Bertrand Russell, writing in the New Leader, protested the German expulsions again:
“It was agreed at Potsdam that these expulsions should take place “in a humane and orderly manner,†but this provision has been flouted. At a moment’s notice, women and children are herded into trains, with only one suitcase each, and they are usually robbed on the way of its contents. The journey to Berlin takes many days, during which no food is provided. Many are dead when they reach Berlin; children who die on the way are thrown out of the window. A member of the Friends’ Ambulance Unit describes the Berlin station at which these trains arrive as “Belsen over again—carts taking the dead from the platform, etc.†A large proportion of those ejected from their homes are not put into trains, but are left to make their way westward on foot. Exact statistics of the numbers thus expelled are not available, since only the Russians could provide them. Ernest Bevin’s estimate is 9,000,000. According to a British office now in Berlin, populations are dying, and Berlin hospitals “make the sights of the concentration camps appear normal.’†(Source: De Zayas, Alfred-Maurice, Nemesis at Potsdam: The Anglo-Americans and the Expulsion of the Germans, London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1977, p. 109).
You write: “So, you don’t have any documents that Allies deliberately killed 2.1 mln Germans after war. Only observations that Allies expelled some Germans and that people living under 6-year horrible German occupations were angry at Germans…”
My response: As previously discussed, no one knows how many German expellees died after the war. To the best of my knowledge, no historian has ever done the research to give even a close approximation of how many German expellees died after the war.
However, the documentation is extensive that German expellees faced extremely harsh and lethal treatment after World War II. I will continue with some of this documentation, starting with the treatment of German children.
German children in Eastern Europe suffered major hardships and deprivations prior to and during the expulsion process. From August 1945, the Czech government allocated to German children under the age of six only half the allowance of milk, and less than half the allowance of barley, allocated to their Czech counterparts. German children received no meat, eggs, jam, or fruit syrup at all, these being allocated entirely to children of the Czech majority.
One example of the prevailing mood in Czechoslovakia toward German children was expressed by the Prague newspaper Mladá Fronta, which ran a ferocious campaign against British proposals to provide a temporary haven for thousands of starving German children during the winter of 1945-1946. When an announcement was made that the scheme would not go ahead, the newspaper’s headline read: “British Will Not Feed Little Hitlerites: Our Initiative Crowned with Success.†(Source: Douglas, R. M., Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans after the Second World War, New Haven & London: Yale University Press, 2012, pp. 233-234).
In the Polish Recovered Territories, food ration cards were progressively withdrawn from the entire German population. Like their parents, German children found that they were entitled to no rations at all. The head of the Szczecin-Stołczyn Commissariat thus proudly reported that since the end of November 1945, even German children under the age of two had their milk allocation withdrawn from them.
Polish laws designed to protect German children were typically never enforced. For example, a directive issued in April 1945 by the Polish Ministry of Public Security specifying that nobody under the age of 13 was to be detained was never followed. More than two years later, the Polish Ministry of Labor and Social Welfare was complaining that the regulations against imprisoning children in camps continued to be “completely ignored.†German children were illegally detained in Polish internment camps as late as August 1949. (Source: Ibid., pp. 234, 236).
German children experienced the worst conditions in the detention centers. Přemsyl Pitter, a social worker from Prague, quickly found as he visited the Czechoslovak detention centers that the overwhelming majority of those who needed his aid were ethnic Germans. At a makeshift internment camp in Prague, Pitter discovered at the end of July 1945 “a hell of which passers-by hadn’t the faintest notion.†More than a thousand Germans, the great majority women and children, were “crowded together in an indescribable tangle. As we brought emaciated and apathetic children out and laid them on the grass, I believed that few would survive. Our physician, Dr. E. Vogl, himself a Jew who had gone through the hell of Auschwitz and Mauthausen, almost wept when he saw these little bodies. ‘And here we Czechs have done this in two and a half months!’ he exclaimed.†Officials of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) found that the conditions at other Prague camps were no better. (Source: Ibid., pp. 234-235).
The youngest German children were most vulnerable to the conditions in the detention centers. Their undeveloped immune systems and lack of physical reserves left them particularly vulnerable to starvation and its attendant diseases. A credible account by a female detainee at Potulice in Poland recorded that of 110 children born in the camp between the beginning of 1945 and her eventual expulsion in December 1946, only 11 children were still alive by the later date. A high rate of infant mortality in the camps was also caused by numerous cases in which German children were denied medical care because of their ethnicity.
Investigations by the ICRC found high rates of infant mortality attributable to malnutrition to be widespread in Czechoslovakia. When the ICRC visited a detention center in Bratislava at the end of 1945, it found that every one of the emaciated infants and children was “suffering from hideous skin eruptions†and that conditions were “in general so desperate that it is difficult to find words†with which to comfort the detainees. A journalist from Obzory, who visited one of the Prague detention centers in the autumn of 1945, acknowledged that “mortality has increased to a horrifying degree†among the children. The journalist attributed the high mortality among the infants to the complete absence of infant formula and the fact that the majority of nursing mothers were too emaciated to breastfeed their newborns. (Source: Ibid., pp. 234, 238-239).
Authorities generally did little to shield children from the harsher aspects of camp life. Germans in Czechoslovakia typically became forced laborers on their 14th birthday, with some districts requiring labor services of those aged 10 or above. At Mirošov in Czechoslovakia, the definition of “adult†for forced labor consisted of all inmates above six years of age. Children of 10 years of age and above were also routinely used as forced laborers in Yugoslavia.
In September 1945, the ICRC complained that in the Czechoslovak camps the young male guards treated detainees with “the utmost cruelty,†with widespread beatings of children as well as adults. Many children were also subject to psychological abuse, and some children were compelled—as at Kruševlje in Yugoslavia—to witness their parents’ torture or execution at the hands of camp guards. (Source: Ibid., pp. 234, 236-238).
The Western Allies did not intervene to help ethnic German children in Eastern Europe since they regarded all Germans as perpetrators of World War II. The policies of the Western Allies and the expelling nations were a violation of their subscription in 1926 to the International Declaration of the Rights of the Child, which stipulated that children were to “be the first to receive relief in times of distress†without taking into account “considerations of race, nationality or creed.â€
German children were also denied aid from international relief agencies like UNRRA and the International Refugee Organization (IRO) as a matter of policy. Even the UN International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF) maintained a discriminatory stance against German children, assigning priority to the children of “victims of aggression†in the provision of aid. The plight of children in the expelling countries was additionally worsened by the expropriation of German religious and charitable organizations, which caused German children in orphanages and facilities for handicapped children to lose their homes. In the long run, the only hope for most German children in the expelling countries was their expeditious removal to Germany. (Source: Ibid., pp. 240-241, 244).
In reply to my question, “Do you continue to falsely claim that the Old Testament did not say the Messiah would be God in human form?â€, you sidestep the question and expound on why Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah.
This is a typical Jewish tactic.
My point on why further communication is pointless If the Jews are the enemy of mankind. And my tactics are typical to Jewish tactics. And I am. Jew. What is the point. You know what I think. I am not going to change. I presented to you the best of the Jewish thinkers on the questions you were asking. They are the best answers. They are the true answers on why Jews can never accept Jesus as god or as an intermediary to god that we all need to accept and go thru or burn in hell.
Christianity is antithetical to Judaism and our beliefs. We were designed by Hashem to reject it. Your obsession with Jews and their rejection of Jesus as being the enemies of mankind proves how mentally ill you are.
We Jews do not call Christianity the enemy of mankind. We are happy for you that you have found salvation. Just leave us alone. Stop blaming us for your failures.
Hashem has kept the Jews thriving for a reason. Why not focus on what Hashem wants and respect his wishes.
#1096 #1097 #1099 John Wear
“My response: The German expellees were spread out all over Germany. Most of the ones who did not survive died of either starvation or disease.”
So, you don’t have any doucments that Allies deliberately killed 2.1 mln Germans after war.
Only observations that Allies expelled some Germans and that people living under 6-year horrible German occupations were angry at Germans.
Just like you don’t have documents that Poles killed 56 000 Germans. Only suggestions repeated many times in order to make impression that this is true.
In fact, you compromised yourself as researcher because you didn’t check alternative explanations (these Germans were probably taken over by Soviets in 1939).
Resettlement of Germans was a very mild punishment taking into consideration that many Germans were disloyal to country where they lived before war and that they supported Hitler during war with blind devotion.
If Germans weren’t supported Hitler during whole war then there would be no German’s “expelees” after war.
Germany started war, Germany lost, Germany paid the prize based on golden rule “treat others as you want to be treated”.
“The Allied aerial photos originated from a slender brochure published in 1979 by the CIA.”
This link has only 16 pages out of odd 170.
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Jewish-Christian Disputations
Moses Nachmanides and The
Debate in Barcelona, Spain, 1263
The most famous of all Jewish-Christian disputations was between the apostate Jew Pablo Christiani and Moses Nachmanides (the Ramban).
Nachmanides argued that the central issue separating Christianity and Judaism was not the issue of Jesus’ messiahship, but whether or not Jesus was divine. There was no basis in Judaism, Nachmanides said, for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man. To Nachmanides, it seemed most strange "that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this." Nachmanides told the Spanish monarch, "You have listened all your life to priests who have filled your brain and the marrow of your bones with this doctrine, and it has settled with you because of that accustomed habit." Had King James heard these ideas propounded for the first time when he was already an adult, Nachmanides implied, he never would have accepted them
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“There is no basis in Judaism, Nachimedes said, for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man.”
No basis for believing in the divinity of any ordinary man?
I agree.
But Jesus is not ordinary.
He’s the son of God, brought into the world through immaculate conception.
He is God assuming human form.
God can do that.
God can do whatever God wants to do.
That’s what being God means.
It’s quite remarkable that Jews still don’t understand that!
Furthermore, Nachimedes’ claim that there is “no basis” in Judaism for believing in the divinity of the Messiah is false — as I have already shown — citing Isaiah 9:6, Psalm 2 and Dead Sea Scroll fragment 4Q246.
Here is something you might find interesting on why Jews believe that Jesus was a false Messiah. Maybe not to Christians but to Jews. I wish you could find some DNA in him so that you can find some other tribe he represents, and leave us alone. You know like "Sounds like what a Jew would sound like". Can't Jesus be a Hittite, or a Babylonian?
Do you continue to falsely maintain that the Old Testament did not say the Messiah would be God in human form?
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A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets—Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.
B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)


3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
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Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.
A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION
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Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation—i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He’ll tell everyone, not just one person.
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God’s true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.
Judaism, unique among all of the world’s major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone’s belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy. Â
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others… as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you…" The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us—who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
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The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination. �
In reply to my question, “Do you continue to falsely claim that the Old Testament did not say the Messiah would be God in human form?”, you sidestep the question and expound on why Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah.
This is a typical Jewish tactic.
Isaiah, a recognized prophet in Judaism, DOES say in the Old Testament that the Messiah will be God in human form.
But you can’t admit this, and so you just slither way to answer a question I didn’t ask.
“I wish you could … find some other [non-Jewish] tribe he represents and leave us alone.”
Well, it’s you Jews who are always harping on Jesus being a Jew.
We Christians hold that he is God in human form — with his human form occurring through immaculate conception, which means no human DNA was involved in his birth.
Because of his being carried in the womb of a Jewess, people call him a Jew.
His Jewishness no more defines him than a suit of clothes I wear defines me.
“Jesus was not a prophet … prophecy can only exist when …”
There you go, putting limitations on God again. I wonder what he thinks about that.
“The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see … Isaiah 11:1).”
Isaiah 11:1 doesn’t say that.
“The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10).”
Genesis 49: 10 doesn’t say that.
Isaiah 11.1 and Genesis 49.10 do not even say anything close to that.
“Biblical verses can only be understood by reading the original Hebrew text.”
That’s why we have interlineal bibles that give accurate translations.
Incidentally, the New Testament is written in Greek, not Hebrew.
“The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an ‘alma’ as giving birth. The word ‘alma’ has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians … translated it as ‘virgin’.”
This slippery presentation of yours is typically Jewish.
Isaiah 7:14 doesn’t say that the young woman won’t be a virgin.
What you call the “Christian idea” of a virgin birth is based on an angel telling Mary that she will bear a child and it won’t be Joseph’s child or any other human male’s child.
It won’t even be her child, but she will be tasked with bearing and raising it.
Isaiah 9:6 says that the child will be ” … God”.
Can mortal human beings have a child whose longevity — even under the best of circumstances — entirely depends on their DNA (with all of its obvious limitations) and that child be an immortal god?
Clearly not.
Isaiah’s overall position is not at all consistent with Jesus being a mere human being conceived through sexual intercourse in the ordinary way that other human beings are conceived.
“If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense he’ll tell everyone, not just one person.”
He did.
Jesus, as God in human form, spoke to all those in Israel who desired to hear him.
“Thousands of religions have been started by individuals attempting to convince people that he or she is God’s true prophet.”
Jesus, while having the power of prophecy, did not claim to be a mere prophet. He claimed to be the son of God.
” … it is possible the miracles are performed through magic or sorcery … ”
Christianity does not depend on everyone believing in it.
“My sheep hear my voice.”
You do not hear his voice. You are not of his sheep. Nothing can convince you. That’s fine. We don’t need you. But you’re still welcome. It’s up to you.
“What, then, is the basis for Jewish belief? The revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears.”
Most Jews at that time ran away and hid in fear. Only Moses dared to go meet God. When he came back, you were all worshiping the Golden Calf.
It seems that your religion depends on the experience of a single man, not a nation as you claim.
My point on why further communication is pointless If the Jews are the enemy of mankind. And my tactics are typical to Jewish tactics. And I am. Jew. What is the point. You know what I think. I am not going to change. I presented to you the best of the Jewish thinkers on the questions you were asking. They are the best answers. They are the true answers on why Jews can never accept Jesus as god or as an intermediary to god that we all need to accept and go thru or burn in hell. Christianity is antithetical to Judaism and our beliefs. We were designed by Hashem to reject it. Your obsession with Jews and their rejection of Jesus as being the enemies of mankind proves how mentally ill you are. We Jews do not call Christianity the enemy of mankind. We are happy for you that you have found salvation. Just leave us alone. Stop blaming us for your failures. Hashem has kept the Jews thriving for a reason. Why not focus on what Hashem wants and respect his wishes.Replies: @Eric135
In reply to my question, “Do you continue to falsely claim that the Old Testament did not say the Messiah would be God in human form?â€, you sidestep the question and expound on why Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah.This is a typical Jewish tactic.
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You still refuse to answer my questions.
“Those are simple questions that you can answer yourself.”
I’m looking for YOUR answers.
Not someone else’s.
” … Sedevacantism …”
I don’t know why you bring that up. I’m not a Roman Catholic.
“I do not have much interest in communication.”
Your numerous long comments say otherwise.
“You can look up those photos yourself.”
You presented a photo as proof that the Germans starved children, but you gave no indication of who the child was or where and when the photo was taken. It’s up to you to present your evidence. I should not have to do it for you. So far, you have failed – repeatedly.
“There are seven names for God.”
In post #1084 you said, ” … there is no name for God in Judaism.” Apparently, reality adjusts itself for your convenience – something I have noticed is quite common with Jews.
“The Zohar is not part of Jewish law … It has nothing to do with Judaism.”
Lutheranism is not part of Roman Catholic Canon Law. But it is still recognized as part of Protestant Christianity. Saying the Zohar has nothing to do with Judaism is – again – a case of you adjusting reality for your own convenience.
“Those statements are all true.”
No, they are completely false, as I have documented.
Contrary to your claim that they only believe in one god, Jews believe in multiple gods.
Contrary to your claim that Christians create physical representations of God, there are no physical representations of the Trinity.
Contrary to your claim that the Old Testament puts limits on what God can do, the Old Testament puts no such limits on God.
Contrary to your claim that the Old Testament says that the Messiah will not be God in human form, the Old Testament says the opposite.
“Do you hear Jews … being told that only Jews are holy, and that non-Jews come from a kettle-pot of evil?”
I’ve already given you the statements made by rabbis Zalman and Yosef — the latter statement having been reported in the Jewish press a little over ten years ago.
Jews commonly say they are God’s chosen people whose task is to “bring light to the nations” and “heal the world”.
They obviously think they are superior to non-Jews, and you can discern that sense of superiority and “specialness” in their attitudes and in their constant attempts to subvert the majority traditions and cultures of the societies they inhabit.
They truly are the enemies of mankind.
“Have you ever seen a Jewish man marry a 3-year-old girl.”
According to renowned Jewish scholar Ariel Toaff, Jews have done much worse than that (Passovers of Blood, 2007).
Do you still believe in the false prophecy of Jesus? How could he be of virgin birth when his father was known?
Jewish-Christian Disputations
Moses Nachmanides and The
Debate in Barcelona, Spain, 1263
The most famous of all Jewish-Christian disputations was between the apostate Jew Pablo Christiani and Moses Nachmanides (the Ramban).
Nachmanides argued that the central issue separating Christianity and Judaism was not the issue of Jesus’ messiahship, but whether or not Jesus was divine. There was no basis in Judaism, Nachmanides said, for believing in the divinity of the Messiah or, indeed, of any man. To Nachmanides, it seemed most strange “that the Creator of heaven and earth resorted to the womb of a certain Jewess and grew there for nine months and was born as an infant, and afterwards grew up and was betrayed into the hands of his enemies who sentenced him to death and executed him, and that afterwards… he came to life and returned to his original place. The mind of a Jew, or any other person, cannot tolerate this.” Nachmanides told the Spanish monarch, “You have listened all your life to priests who have filled your brain and the marrow of your bones with this doctrine, and it has settled with you because of that accustomed habit.” Had King James heard these ideas propounded for the first time when he was already an adult, Nachmanides implied, he never would have accepted them
Do you continue to falsely maintain that the Old Testament did not say the Messiah would be God in human form?
Here is something you might find interesting on why Jews believe that Jesus was a false Messiah. Maybe not to Christians but to Jews. I wish you could find some DNA in him so that you can find some other tribe he represents, and leave us alone. You know like “Sounds like what a Jew would sound like”. Can’t Jesus be a Hittite, or a Babylonian?
https://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/#1
A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets—Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)

3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES “REFERRING” TO JESUS
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Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an “alma” as giving birth. The word “alma” has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as “virgin.” This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
4) JEWISH BELIEF IS BASED SOLELY ON NATIONAL REVELATION
(back)Of the 15,000 religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation—i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He’ll tell everyone, not just one person.
Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God’s true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.
Judaism, unique among all of the world’s major religions, does not rely on “claims of miracles” as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of “miracles” to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone’s belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy. Â
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others… as it says, “Face to face, God spoke with you…” The Torah also states: “God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us—who are all here alive today.” (Deut. 5:3)Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY
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The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.