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    Communism is both radical and conservative in spirit, hardly surprising as it's a deeply moralistic ideology that developed in reaction to the revolutionary upheavals of capitalism. Remember that Karl Marx himself recognized capitalism as the most transformative system developed by mankind. It was most extreme and 'radical' in changing all forms of human relations and...
  • @Commentator Mike
    @Marcali

    That would simply imply what the population would be if the trend in population growth continued as previously and not how many people were actually killed. The negative blips are mostly due to people killed and who died of whatever cause and they hardly add up to what you mentioned.

    Replies: @Marcali

    The verticals between the trend line and the actual population line would show the missing lives for whatever reason.
    Since the Communists always said that they were responsible for anything that happens in a communist country, even the drop in the birth rate would be their responsibility.

  • @Marcali
    @Commentator Mike

    Why don't you continue the trend line that has the first break in it, marking the beginning of WW 1 at 1914?

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    That would simply imply what the population would be if the trend in population growth continued as previously and not how many people were actually killed. The negative blips are mostly due to people killed and who died of whatever cause and they hardly add up to what you mentioned.

    •�Replies: @Marcali
    @Commentator Mike

    The verticals between the trend line and the actual population line would show the missing lives for whatever reason.
    Since the Communists always said that they were responsible for anything that happens in a communist country, even the drop in the birth rate would be their responsibility.
  • @Commentator Mike
    @Marcali

    I am not convinced. Here's an illustration of Russia's population since 1897.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Russia_population_1897-2010.png/800px-Russia_population_1897-2010.png?20110219194228

    Other than WWII and the Civil War there have been no major drops in population numbers, and perhaps a couple of million during a year of hunger. If anything it is capitalism which is killing off the Russians as made clear at the top of the graph.

    Replies: @Marcali

    Why don’t you continue the trend line that has the first break in it, marking the beginning of WW 1 at 1914?

    •�Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @Marcali

    That would simply imply what the population would be if the trend in population growth continued as previously and not how many people were actually killed. The negative blips are mostly due to people killed and who died of whatever cause and they hardly add up to what you mentioned.

    Replies: @Marcali
  • @Anymike
    @Marcali

    On further review, the correct term would be "cumulative". "Rolled" as you use it to stand in for "cumulative" is jargon or a slang term, at least in this context.

    The 61,000,000 killed figure might not be accurate. Adult men of productive years undoubtedly would have to represent some large proportion of that number. If the Soviet regime killed off that many of the inherently most productive group within society, how did the regime build up industry, fight and win massive a war and then compete with the United States in world power for the next four decades?

    There may be an answer, but we need to know what it is.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Marcali

    „Bolshevism cannot escape responsibility for the establishment of a dictatorship instilled with hatred for the individual. As a result of its criminal actions, more than sixty million people were exterminated. Bolshevism, as a species and forerunner of fascism, made itself the principal force in the genocide of its own people.”
    (Alexander N. Yakovlev: a Century of Violence in Soviet Russia, Yale University Press, 2002, p.237.)

    Now Yakovlev was a high ranking soviet functionary, one of the highest ranking.

  • @Hulkamania
    @Anymike

    Most of these "X billion people died from communism!" claims all come from CIA propaganda like "Black Book of Communism." They have no relation to reality.

    Replies: @Marcali

    So the USA is wallowing in the crimes of its Holy Ally. Remarkable observation.

  • claims:

    Of course, they make excuses for all of the bloodshed, misery, and other results of the imposition of communism throughout history.

    And of course capitalism has createed the garden of Eden withou a drop of blood, right?

  • Every generation has its promoters of communism who argue that “communism would work if properly implemented”. Throughout the decades, I have seen many starry-eyed young people state as such.
    Of course, they make excuses for all of the bloodshed, misery, and other results of the imposition of communism throughout history.
    All fools…
    There is one thing young people should be aware of:
    communism=judaism
    judaism=communism
    …it’s all in their talmudic playbook…

  • Utter and pathetic nonsense.

    Communism is Judaism; Capitalism is Judaism.
    And the Jews openly brag about both of these facts.

    Shilling for one is Shilling for the other.

    Are you a Jew, a shill, or just a traitor to the white (and all other), races?

  • @Rahan

    The good thing about fascism was it synthesized tradition with modernity and capitalism with socialism. And it infused them all with nationalism. But what it lacked was a strong sense of humanism,
    More specifically "out-group humanism" was lacking.

    Humanism in the sense of "in-group solidarity" was strongly encouraged, but at the expense of the "out-group aliens". A bit of a neolithic regression.

    Replies: @Priss Factor

    Not a problem as long as you don’t conquer and dominate other peoples.
    But fascism went from nationalism to empire, not least because it looked around and noticed that all the great powers were imperialist.

  • The good thing about fascism was it synthesized tradition with modernity and capitalism with socialism. And it infused them all with nationalism. But what it lacked was a strong sense of humanism,

    More specifically “out-group humanism” was lacking.

    Humanism in the sense of “in-group solidarity” was strongly encouraged, but at the expense of the “out-group aliens”. A bit of a neolithic regression.

    •�Replies: @Priss Factor
    @Rahan

    Not a problem as long as you don't conquer and dominate other peoples.
    But fascism went from nationalism to empire, not least because it looked around and noticed that all the great powers were imperialist.
  • Jung-Freud has passed a serious watershed with this fine article. Before, his essays were usually “good stuff that shows serious potential”.

    This here is the first article that makes explicit the consolidation of the older stylistic and conceptual tendencies and experiments into one formidable whole with structural, thematical, and stylistic internal coherence.

    Also, hints and clues of a worldview still in the expansive stage (still a bit “hunter-gatherer” but already with serious “cultivator” elements) appear here and there, leaving a quite pleasing impression.

    Congrats to the author!

  • @John Johnson
    @The Old Philosopher

    You still don’t get it. Marx doesn’t mean that people would serially engage in those activities all the time, but that their identity wouldn’t be based on any particular ectivities, such that a baker “is” a baker, a butcher “is” a butcher, a candlestick maker “is” a candlestiuck maker, etc., etc., and that what he does is what he is, thereby reducing the whole person into his singular productive activity

    No I understand and he is not merely making a point about specialization.

    He is imagining a typical day in his Communist utopia where production is so efficient that he can choose to hunt or fish for half the day.

    Let's look at the full quote:

    In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic.

    He is clearly not talking about the weekend and he in fact credits the Communist system:

    society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow

    Only massive gains in production would make this possible.

    You can't outproduce capitalism if everyone is choosing their own form of work half the day. How many people would choose grueling factory work? Yet he believes production would be high enough to where he go can tend to cattle if he feels like it. This is ridiculous. Who is going to show up at 7 AM to make fishing poles when they can go fish?

    This is one of many areas where Marxism breaks down. He doesn't explain how this all works and just reverts back to talking about Communism as a utopia where the efficiency will allow all these wonderful things. Well it didn't work and Soviet factory workers ended up working longer work weeks and they couldn't appeal to a union because independent unions are banned under Communism. What a utopia. Even before 1930 the Communists had turned the state into One Big Government factory and oh well if you don't like your job or specialization.

    The key observation on which Marx based the point about people being able to do diffrent things rather than their identity being formed by singular activities that the division of labor in industrial societies increasingly required workers to enngage in separate activities

    Specialization in capitalism is what leads to efficiency gains. Marx skipped Econ courses and views specialization as repressive. Specialization is more efficient than everyone trying to learn everything. It's simply more efficient for one tradesman to master masonry and another to master metallurgy. Then they trade their services instead of both starting from zero experience. Capitalism then allows indirect trading through the monetary system while a managed economy has to make all kinds of micro exchanges.

    Replies: @The Old Philosopher

    Claims the beneefits of specialization:

    Specialization is more efficient than everyone trying to learn everything. It’s simply more efficient for one tradesman to master masonry and another to master metallurgy. Then they trade their services instead of both starting from zero experience. Capitalism then allows indirect trading through the monetary system while a managed economy has to make all kinds of micro exchanges.

    That’s exactly the point that the person’s being then becomes being a baker or a mason, and by being bound into that mold, his ability to realize his full hiuman potential is stultified.

    O f course Marx expected that for that to be realized, productive forces would have to be vastly increasedf so that the hard work wouild be done nby machines rather than human labor.

    That is indeed what is largely happining with robots taking over assemly lines.

    There is a story about GM executives taking UAW officials around a plant and proudly showing off a brand new production line staffed mostly by robots to show how GM was moderning production. The union officials were suitable impressed and all went well until one of them asked “And how many cars will those robots buy.”

    Boom. Period. Paragraph. End of story.

    Another example. Look at a picture of grain harvewstiung, for example, in the 1920’s that required dozens of people to harvest the grain. Today, one combine can harvest an acre in a few minutes, bale the stalks and load them in one truck while it sacks the wheat it separates from the chaff and with a converyor dumps it into another truck that hauls it away The the machine can harvest untold number of acres an hour unlikm,e the hours of labor it took to harvest an acre before.

    That is exactly what Marx envisioned the capitalist system of production would achieve. And he never held it against the seystem for doing it

    Excapt he also realized thzt this system of production aimed for nothing more than satisfying the greed of the capitalists to satisfy their quest for for profits they could realize only by privatizing all the means of production and material resources needed for producing the necessities of life rather than organizing it for satisfying human needs.

    And it is by privatizing the means of production and the resources need to produce the necessitis of life that they could compel workers to sell their labor power to the capitalist for as little as the capitalist is able to force them to accept or starve. It is a system that Calhoun well described as wage slavery.

    Marlon Brando in the movie Burn playing the part of a British agent organizing a slave revolt to weaken French rule in the Carribean turns around to tell the horrified plantation owners to free the salves to quell the revolt he started. When they protest, he points out what they had to lose, since the slaves would then have no choice but to work for the plantation owners for whatever wages they would pay them and make them fend for themslves rather than having to feed clothe and shelter them. And if one of them dies or was sick, rather than having to spend capital to acquire a new slave, they just hire one of the unemployed to replace him. When asked what he plans to do next, he says he is off to Vietnam. The movie was released around 1967 or ’68.

    It ends as he is walking on a pier headed to the ship taking him to Vietnam that he is stabbed to death by one of the newly enslaved free workers to the cheers of the audience.

    That’s the foundation for the capitalist system of coercion that creates the illusion of freedom for workers which consists solely of which capitlist they sell themsleves to in order to accquire the necessitities of life they cannot acquire any other way because the capitalists have privatized the means of product and the resources necessary to produce it.

    It”s a system that places the attainment of greed for profits by the few above the ability of the multitudes to realize their human needs that Maslow has identified in the order of prepotency for governing humnan behavior as physiological, safety, belonginges esteem and self actualization needs that governs behavior by indiviuals having to regularly be able to satify their more prepotent need befor before regulary engaging in behavior that enables them to satisfy the less prepotent ones.

    And by by having privatized both the means of production as well as all resources required for producting the necessities of life and the satisfaction of this hierarchy of human needs, the capitalist system of production considng the vast multitudes to barely being able to regularly satisfy the two most prepopent needs, much less realize the thre other less propotents ones of esteem, belongingess and self-actuallization which goes a long way to explaining how various institutions of social bonding are collapsing in capitalist societies.

    Marx also well understood that the communialism he had in mind after the capitalkist expropriators were expropriated would not work if the consciousness of the worklers remained as it was represdsed unter the cap;italist system of exploitation. But he also noted that it is precisely through praxis in the course of the struggle to overcome it that the consciousness of the masses would also be altered as the foundation for the revised conditions under which the necessities were produced to satisfy all human prepotent needs rather than just the greed of the capitalist that they can achieve only by respressing the ability of the vcast multitudes to realize their human potential.

    That, is indeed, the biggest crime crime against humnanity that capitalists have committed

    I don’t expect you to get any of this because you’re simply a propandist for your masters.

  • In the communist future, human needs would not be sacrificed at the altar of profits and growth. 

    Also, the bourgeois notion of individualism was illusory because only a handful of oligarchs controlled the key means of information and communication.

     (As it turned out, established capitalism proved to be endlessly adaptive in meeting mass demands, distracting the masses with bread & circuses, and/or buying off the radicals with sinecures in the system.)

    Had the US denied Japan and the ‘Asian tigers’ market access to American consumers, how far could their economies have grown? (While South Korea has often been compared with North Korea, what would happen to its economy if the US and its allies applied the kind of economic pressure faced by the northern half?) Even as their economies grew, they became ever more dependent on US whims and thus became political puppets of America; they have zero sovereignty, whereas Asian nations that developed from a communist foundation, like China and Vietnam, are relatively more sovereign.

    It’s no wonder that Noam Chomsky thinks that the US from the 50s to the 60s was the golden age where wealth distribution was most egalitarian. High taxation(at over 90%) and powerful labor unions(and limited immigration) meant that capitalists couldn’t act like Jeff Bezos, Koch Brothers, and Tim Cook(the Crook). 

    Now, even if a communist order were to inherit the wealth of fallen capitalism, it is doubtful it would function well for long. Just imagine the city hall running all the industries. Imagine New York city hall running all the hotels, restaurants, apartments, factories, shops, and etc., and it’s obvious why things would run slowly if at all. It’d be a bureaucratic nightmare. This is why even communist nations experimented with some degree of privatization and small business to provide incentives to people to work harder and be more productive.

    Today, ‘free’ Japan is a far more degrading place than repressive China that does NOT allow pornography, approve of globo-homo, or encourage green hair/tattoos/piercings on the national airwaves. South Korea and Taiwan under military dictatorships in the past were far less degrading than their current incarnations of globo-homo, K-pop degeneracy, hedonism, materialism etc. 

    They want to go the way of the Irish who now welcome the Great Replacement and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs. (Likewise, even though communism put China and Vietnam economically behind Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, which nations are now more independent and hopeful in the next 50 yrs? Japan, SK, and Taiwan are utterly decadent and demographically doomed; politically and ideologically, they are total whores of globo-homo US. Incredibly enough, as miserable as North Korea is, it may survive as a people/culture in the next 50 yrs while South Korea, along with Taiwan, becomes an Asian Ireland.)

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  • @werpor
    @John Johnson

    “Can you not consider the possibility of rejecting both Communism and liberalism?” Every stick has two ends. Communism and liberalism emerged in an age of mass production. Grasping one end of the stick or the other end manifests intellectually and eventually publicly as an argument over who will control the stick. Who will get what share of the outputs of production? Wages, taxes, profits are outputs.

    Early manifestations of mass production could not have been brought into being without huge masses of capital, huge masses of labour, and huge returns on investments, i.e., profits. Returns on investment manifest as either retained earnings or dividends. Both retained earnings and dividends drive more investment. Which begets further input. Which necessitates further wages with which to pay for labour input.

    Capitalism is dynamic. And convergent. Invention is a manifestation of curiosity. Innovation is a utilitarian process. Invention began with a problem. Innovation solved it. Heating water in a confined container without a lid but instead connected to an output tube provided the escaping steam with power. Pumping water out of flooding mines solved a problem. Steam engines were large compression chambers laid on their sides, mounted on wheels. The driving wheels were turned by steam compressed to do work.

    One thing led to another. Most of the output in the age of steam depended on the output of huge steel mills. Steel for bridges, rails, engines, carriages, and later steel for building skyscrapers. Those early steel mills had as many as six thousand workers. Large masses of people were attracted to the steady wages. All this led to mass consumption and considerable discontent.

    Governments were called on to regulate. The law was called on to settle disputes. Railroads could not have been built without government. They granted land upon which to lay the track. The land provided the lenders with security upon which to justify the loans.

    Capitalism is dynamic and convergent. All together this was capitalism. People flooded to work in steel mills, engine works, pipe making factories, foundries, bridge building, track laying, and a little later to work in Fords vertically integrated factories; the eventual out, automobiles. And $5 a day wages.

    All this output necessitated new management skills and double entry bookkeeping came into its own.

    The entire thing was almost miraculous. Communism was an intellectual exercise which assumed that all this could somehow be controlled. This appealed to labour, government and bankers. These inventions and innovations led of course to applying them to building a better cannon. There is no better book than “The Arms of Krupp” by William Manchester, that I ever read, to elucidate this aspect of invention, innovation, and sheer audacious will as applied to building arms.

    In fact I can think of no better book to illustrate the difference between theory and practical output than Manchester’s story of an absolutely amazing manifestation of man’s quest for mastery, however dark the consequences.

    Now consider today:
    The Internet would never have flourished as it has if government, bankers, and the establishment could have predicted the consequences. The masses no longer exist. Certainly they do if one considers large populations as “the masses.” But certainly steel plants no longer employ 6000 labourers.

    One consequence of mass labour was the effect of using a single lever to increase output or decrease output. Central banks raise or lowered interest rates. Today the more central banks intrude on the economy by raising or lowering interest rates or government intrudes by increasing indebtedness or intrudes by lying to the public the quicker the various manifestations of the mass age will decompose.

    I doubt anyone can predict the future. But no question we are living in a future which was not predicted by Marx. Automobile assembly is an amazing just in time output made possible by invention and innovation which will only continue. The age of mass production and mass consumption and mass assemblies of soldiers “going over the top” was a stage.

    The Internet has made the obscenity of war transparent for anyone who cares to watch the unfolding madness in Ukraine. The reason NATO failed there is its assumptions are rooted in the mass age. The taxes necessary to continue driving economies by manufacturing arms is driving the U.S. into bankruptcy. Those elites are operating as though the assumptions guiding them are relevant in the Internet age. In fact most politicians could not survive anywhere else than the past. They are parodies!

    Watch TV, or read a newspaper, or listen to the radio — the MSM is a vestige of an earlier age. As often as not it is sheer entertainment eliciting from me deep guffaws! Obviously I do not live in a vacuum.

    Over the holidays I attended the annual circuit of friends and family celebrations. Gad! I’d forgotten how much things had changed since 2019. Things are not going back to the way they were. Even the New World Order stuff presumes a compliant public living exclusively in the United States, Western Europe and the old Commonwealth countries. The old guard still have the power and the levers to continue to run the West into the ground, yes they do — but they are more like dinosaurs.

    All the leaders are plants. They are hardly elected. Their foolish commentaries are scripts manufactured by the old elites’ propounding their dated views of the world. The new world is emerging and information is now common currency. Money flows towards information and runs from lies and misinformation.

    Consider this:
    Large pools of capital are finding it hard to discover suitable investments where the returns to capital are sufficient to mitigate the risk. But the new economy is a totally different form of social organization than the Mass Age. The technologies are more specific in their application. And yet more widely dispersed. There is nowhere today where cell phones have not proliferated. Information flows at the speed of light. The Mass Age meant control. The Internet Age is uncontrollable. Indeed the more governments try to control information the more information moves to jurisdictions where control does not, or cannot exist.

    Information is self regulating in the Internet Age. Either it is useful or it is not useful. Governments are bankrupt. Consumers are only limited by the hours of the day. Even then information is running in the background. Governments are being forced to abandon the old paradigms. Still they will not go quietly! Unfortunately.

    The Internet Age is neither capitalism nor communism. It has elements of both. Information is more and more in the hands of everyone. Every person is a node in the Information Age. Another important aspect of information is — it is not linear. Think about that!

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Every stick has two ends. Communism and liberalism emerged in an age of mass production. Grasping one end of the stick or the other end manifests intellectually and eventually publicly as an argument over who will control the stick. Who will get what share of the outputs of production? Wages, taxes, profits are outputs.

    It’s actually possible to criticize laissez faire capitalism without the context of a failed alternative. There were criticisms of capitalism before Marx. He wasn’t the first person to point out problems with capitalism like child labor, stagnant capital pools and class explotation. In fact Marxism ends up working against the proletariat as it takes away their ability to vote out corrupt politicians and form unions. Stalin had to censor Western media because it contradicted the Soviet claim that the US working class had harder lives compared to the Soviets.

    Jung is trying to project practically on Marx as if he was pushing an alternative to the Western capitalism that may not be as productive but will have its own benefits.

    That is not at all what Marx predicted. Marx claimed there would be an end to wars, hunger and national division thanks to Communism. It was supposed to bring about worldwide utopia and lead to a new level of humanity….but not for all races. Marx amusingly believed that class differences were entirely artificial but race was real. That actually contradicts the beliefs of modern Marxists.

    Marx to this day deceives people and especially egalitarian Whites with his promises of utopia. He was highly intelligent but his plans have major problems. Just ask a group of Marxists as to what the state should do if someone chooses to not work. To this day they haven’t agreed on how to handle this basic problem. They will argue about whether or not he should be shipped off to a camp or if he should get his meal ticket as a human right. There are some pretty funny reddit threads where they get into massive arguments over this simple question. Das Kapital was published in 1867 and they still haven’t figured this out.

  • @The Old Philosopher
    @John Johnson

    cites from point I made:

    production process as a “social” process rather than operating as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becoming their identities.
    You still don't get it. Marx doesn't mean that people would serially engage in those activities all the time, but that their identity wouldn't be based on any particular ectivities, such that a baker "is" a baker, a butcher "is" a butcher, a candlestick maker "is" a candlestiuck maker, etc., etc., and that what he does is what he is, thereby reducing the whole person into his singular productive activity.

    The production process in pre-capitalist and pre-industrrial societies is entirely unlike how it operates in capitalist societies and how that affects the dynamics involved in the process of cognition that is essentially the unity of opposites in sentient beings apprehending the world through the senses and then comprehending it through the dynamic process process of cognition of the brain that occurs by this very process that accumulates within the computer-like brain the synthesis of these opposite in memory that in turn conditions how sentient beings aprehend and comprehend the material conditions within which they live.

    If you want to learn how this process works, read about the OODA loop model that Col. John Boyd formulated that descrtibes it. That stands for Observatio-orientation-decisio- a tion with feedback loops from action to observatioin that is assimilated during the oritentation phases, leading to further decisions and action as a continuing process of cognition.

    This is the process Marx referrred to as Praxis, the knowing by doing, except that John Boyd has formulated a model for showing how the parts of the process are interconnected.

    The key obnservation on which Marx based the point about people being able to do diffrent things rather than their identity being formed by singular activities that the division of labor in industrial societies increasingly required workers to enngage in separate activities that were aggregated as workers acted separately but their separate actions were unified in a final product that was not theirs, but was instead alientated from them by the capitalist appropriating it as his own the product of their labor that was the praxis that was forming their cognition of the world.

    John Locke makes this point that clearly distinguishes the owner from the laborer and thaet justifies the appropriateion of the product of the work by one from the other when he notes somewhere in his treatise that the product of my labor is my own (that is, if a catch a deer, that makes it mine), but then goes on to say that the product of my servant is also mine. But if labor is what vaslidates my acquiring and appropriate material things from the natural world that makes it mine and for my exclusive use, what entitles me then to appropriate the work of my servant whose labor produced what I am entitled to appropriate from him?

    Thus as Locke makes clear, as the lord, he appropirates from his servant the product of his labor that , in turn is a critical element in the process of cognition that makes the person what he or she is.

    This is where Marx's concept of alienation enters the picture, whereby the capitalist alienatees from the worker the product of his labor that is the foundation for the dynamics of the process of cognition. Thus the capitalist system by its very nature alienates the worker from hismelf by apppropriating from him the productr of his own labor.

    The critical role the division of labor plays in this is that in pre-indiustrial societies that for most of human history was how humans produced and reproduced the necessities of life, communities only produced use values. That is, they only produced what they used for themselves, and then also used up what they produced. They did not engage in producing for the market, that is, making object of use value for others.

    In these communities, individual producers were jack of all trades and learned to do all the things need to produce what they used. This was, indeed an almost entirely individualized production process.

    It was as the means of production became more complicated that individuals had to develop specialized skills to use them for production and to recreate the means of production. Enter the division of labor.

    But while the develoment of more complex means of production enhanced the labor power of workers to produce, it increasing compelled them to act cooperatively in an increasing coordinated poroduction process but that under capitalist was owned by the capitalist who by appropriating the product of labors of the workers alientated them both from their producxt and thereby froom themslves.

    And this is where Marx points to the key contradiction in the capitalist mode of production because it can only work by multitudes of people acting cooperatively (i.e collectively), the capitalist system increasingly becomes a socialized rather than an individualized production process where individuals create for themelves what they use.

    Yet by the process being owned by individual capitalists (including a corporation that is a collective of individual capitalists), this individualization of ownership that is operated for the sole benefit of the individual owner is the dialectic opposite of the actual socialized production process. This is how the material prodcess of production that is the foundation for continuously producing and reproducing the necessities of life that is the foundatioin of society comes into conflict with merely its superstructure that weighs upon it being the laws, etc. that are the basis for entitling the cpitalist to expropriate from the worker the product of his labor as Locke justified it with his example of him owning the product of his servant's labor.

    To see how this is so, and its significance, identify one thing you used today that you produced entirely by your own effort (and I don't mean breathing the air you need to live).

    Just one thing.

    Now consider how many separate things you use in any one day and where they came from. To get them to you necessitates the cooperation and coordination of millions of people. That's how socialized the production process is, and how the individual capitalist social superstructure is completely at odds with how production is organized collectively (i.e socialized), but its results are apporpriated by the individual capitalist from the actual producers .

    The key contradiction is that capitalism is supposedly a system of individualized production that is in fact an entirely socialized system that the capitalist seeks at all costs to keep people from recognizing and drawing the correct conclsuon it is well past time for the expropriators to be expropriated.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You still don’t get it. Marx doesn’t mean that people would serially engage in those activities all the time, but that their identity wouldn’t be based on any particular ectivities, such that a baker “is” a baker, a butcher “is” a butcher, a candlestick maker “is” a candlestiuck maker, etc., etc., and that what he does is what he is, thereby reducing the whole person into his singular productive activity

    No I understand and he is not merely making a point about specialization.

    He is imagining a typical day in his Communist utopia where production is so efficient that he can choose to hunt or fish for half the day.

    Let’s look at the full quote:

    In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic.

    He is clearly not talking about the weekend and he in fact credits the Communist system:

    society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow

    Only massive gains in production would make this possible.

    You can’t outproduce capitalism if everyone is choosing their own form of work half the day. How many people would choose grueling factory work? Yet he believes production would be high enough to where he go can tend to cattle if he feels like it. This is ridiculous. Who is going to show up at 7 AM to make fishing poles when they can go fish?

    This is one of many areas where Marxism breaks down. He doesn’t explain how this all works and just reverts back to talking about Communism as a utopia where the efficiency will allow all these wonderful things. Well it didn’t work and Soviet factory workers ended up working longer work weeks and they couldn’t appeal to a union because independent unions are banned under Communism. What a utopia. Even before 1930 the Communists had turned the state into One Big Government factory and oh well if you don’t like your job or specialization.

    The key observation on which Marx based the point about people being able to do diffrent things rather than their identity being formed by singular activities that the division of labor in industrial societies increasingly required workers to enngage in separate activities

    Specialization in capitalism is what leads to efficiency gains. Marx skipped Econ courses and views specialization as repressive. Specialization is more efficient than everyone trying to learn everything. It’s simply more efficient for one tradesman to master masonry and another to master metallurgy. Then they trade their services instead of both starting from zero experience. Capitalism then allows indirect trading through the monetary system while a managed economy has to make all kinds of micro exchanges.

    •�Replies: @The Old Philosopher
    @John Johnson

    Claims the beneefits of specialization:

    Specialization is more efficient than everyone trying to learn everything. It’s simply more efficient for one tradesman to master masonry and another to master metallurgy. Then they trade their services instead of both starting from zero experience. Capitalism then allows indirect trading through the monetary system while a managed economy has to make all kinds of micro exchanges.
    That's exactly the point that the person's being then becomes being a baker or a mason, and by being bound into that mold, his ability to realize his full hiuman potential is stultified.

    O f course Marx expected that for that to be realized, productive forces would have to be vastly increasedf so that the hard work wouild be done nby machines rather than human labor.

    That is indeed what is largely happining with robots taking over assemly lines.

    There is a story about GM executives taking UAW officials around a plant and proudly showing off a brand new production line staffed mostly by robots to show how GM was moderning production. The union officials were suitable impressed and all went well until one of them asked "And how many cars will those robots buy."

    Boom. Period. Paragraph. End of story.

    Another example. Look at a picture of grain harvewstiung, for example, in the 1920's that required dozens of people to harvest the grain. Today, one combine can harvest an acre in a few minutes, bale the stalks and load them in one truck while it sacks the wheat it separates from the chaff and with a converyor dumps it into another truck that hauls it away The the machine can harvest untold number of acres an hour unlikm,e the hours of labor it took to harvest an acre before.

    That is exactly what Marx envisioned the capitalist system of production would achieve. And he never held it against the seystem for doing it

    Excapt he also realized thzt this system of production aimed for nothing more than satisfying the greed of the capitalists to satisfy their quest for for profits they could realize only by privatizing all the means of production and material resources needed for producing the necessities of life rather than organizing it for satisfying human needs.

    And it is by privatizing the means of production and the resources need to produce the necessitis of life that they could compel workers to sell their labor power to the capitalist for as little as the capitalist is able to force them to accept or starve. It is a system that Calhoun well described as wage slavery.

    Marlon Brando in the movie Burn playing the part of a British agent organizing a slave revolt to weaken French rule in the Carribean turns around to tell the horrified plantation owners to free the salves to quell the revolt he started. When they protest, he points out what they had to lose, since the slaves would then have no choice but to work for the plantation owners for whatever wages they would pay them and make them fend for themslves rather than having to feed clothe and shelter them. And if one of them dies or was sick, rather than having to spend capital to acquire a new slave, they just hire one of the unemployed to replace him. When asked what he plans to do next, he says he is off to Vietnam. The movie was released around 1967 or '68.

    It ends as he is walking on a pier headed to the ship taking him to Vietnam that he is stabbed to death by one of the newly enslaved free workers to the cheers of the audience.

    That's the foundation for the capitalist system of coercion that creates the illusion of freedom for workers which consists solely of which capitlist they sell themsleves to in order to accquire the necessitities of life they cannot acquire any other way because the capitalists have privatized the means of product and the resources necessary to produce it.

    It''s a system that places the attainment of greed for profits by the few above the ability of the multitudes to realize their human needs that Maslow has identified in the order of prepotency for governing humnan behavior as physiological, safety, belonginges esteem and self actualization needs that governs behavior by indiviuals having to regularly be able to satify their more prepotent need befor before regulary engaging in behavior that enables them to satisfy the less prepotent ones.

    And by by having privatized both the means of production as well as all resources required for producting the necessities of life and the satisfaction of this hierarchy of human needs, the capitalist system of production considng the vast multitudes to barely being able to regularly satisfy the two most prepopent needs, much less realize the thre other less propotents ones of esteem, belongingess and self-actuallization which goes a long way to explaining how various institutions of social bonding are collapsing in capitalist societies.

    Marx also well understood that the communialism he had in mind after the capitalkist expropriators were expropriated would not work if the consciousness of the worklers remained as it was represdsed unter the cap;italist system of exploitation. But he also noted that it is precisely through praxis in the course of the struggle to overcome it that the consciousness of the masses would also be altered as the foundation for the revised conditions under which the necessities were produced to satisfy all human prepotent needs rather than just the greed of the capitalist that they can achieve only by respressing the ability of the vcast multitudes to realize their human potential.

    That, is indeed, the biggest crime crime against humnanity that capitalists have committed

    I don't expect you to get any of this because you're simply a propandist for your masters.
  • When it comes to building things, whether nation building or building great works of engineering, the typical Jew is as dumb as a doorknob. Jews had 3,000 years to build a great civilization, at which they completely failed. Not even anything as great as Ancient Greece or Rome. Something less glorious would have been fine, but no, they created nothing one could admire. They typically try to get a free ride on the shoulders of those who do the hard work of nation building and maintenance.

    All this doesn’t bode well for New York City. How is it possible that a city of 9 million (20 million in the metro area) does not have even a single great school of engineering? For that you have to go to MIT in the Boston area. NYC is dominated by Jews, Hispanics, and blacks – none of these groups are known for great engineering talent. That’s why New York has no future. The U.S. infrastructure, largely built 100 years ago, and certainly more than 50 years ago (e.g., the Interstate Highway system) is falling apart, and needs to be completely rebuilt. Where is the talent to accomplish this task going to come from? Nothing to look forward to except a decline to Third World status. Sad. No wonder America is becoming the laughing stock of the world. From the outside it looks like the only thing the U.S. cares about is pronouns, performing double mastectomies on 12-year-old girls, and chemical castrations on 8-year-old boys.

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  • @John Johnson
    @The Old Philosopher


    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx
    when those means of production were “socialized” i.e held in common by the producers who necessarily have to cooperate and coordinate their activities in the production process as a “social” process rather than operateing as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becxoming their identities.

    How would one be able to spend most of the day choosing activities without a massive increase in production over capitalist economies? You do realize that most people would not choose the jobs that are required for the economy to work? Hunting and fishing are leisure activities and Marx describes spending half the day doing them.

    Were Soviet citizens able to hunt and fish until the afternoon and then stroll on into the factory around 2? Then clock out early for a dinner with some criticism?

    This is all so ridiculous.

    Marx was very intelligent but intelligent people can come up with some very stupid ideas.

    It was clear that his plans were not well thought out after they were applied in 1920s USSR and today we still have people promoting them. That shows how so many leftists and egalitarians are unable to think independently and put all their faith in the failed plans a single German-Jew who didn't take economics and never managed a business. He clearly hadn't spent much time working in the real world as he believed low level workers and managers were only separated by artificial distinctions.

    Replies: @The Old Philosopher

    cites from point I made:

    production process as a “social” process rather than operating as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becoming their identities.

    You still don’t get it. Marx doesn’t mean that people would serially engage in those activities all the time, but that their identity wouldn’t be based on any particular ectivities, such that a baker “is” a baker, a butcher “is” a butcher, a candlestick maker “is” a candlestiuck maker, etc., etc., and that what he does is what he is, thereby reducing the whole person into his singular productive activity.

    The production process in pre-capitalist and pre-industrrial societies is entirely unlike how it operates in capitalist societies and how that affects the dynamics involved in the process of cognition that is essentially the unity of opposites in sentient beings apprehending the world through the senses and then comprehending it through the dynamic process process of cognition of the brain that occurs by this very process that accumulates within the computer-like brain the synthesis of these opposite in memory that in turn conditions how sentient beings aprehend and comprehend the material conditions within which they live.

    If you want to learn how this process works, read about the OODA loop model that Col. John Boyd formulated that descrtibes it. That stands for Observatio-orientation-decisio- a tion with feedback loops from action to observatioin that is assimilated during the oritentation phases, leading to further decisions and action as a continuing process of cognition.

    This is the process Marx referrred to as Praxis, the knowing by doing, except that John Boyd has formulated a model for showing how the parts of the process are interconnected.

    The key obnservation on which Marx based the point about people being able to do diffrent things rather than their identity being formed by singular activities that the division of labor in industrial societies increasingly required workers to enngage in separate activities that were aggregated as workers acted separately but their separate actions were unified in a final product that was not theirs, but was instead alientated from them by the capitalist appropriating it as his own the product of their labor that was the praxis that was forming their cognition of the world.

    John Locke makes this point that clearly distinguishes the owner from the laborer and thaet justifies the appropriateion of the product of the work by one from the other when he notes somewhere in his treatise that the product of my labor is my own (that is, if a catch a deer, that makes it mine), but then goes on to say that the product of my servant is also mine. But if labor is what vaslidates my acquiring and appropriate material things from the natural world that makes it mine and for my exclusive use, what entitles me then to appropriate the work of my servant whose labor produced what I am entitled to appropriate from him?

    Thus as Locke makes clear, as the lord, he appropirates from his servant the product of his labor that , in turn is a critical element in the process of cognition that makes the person what he or she is.

    This is where Marx’s concept of alienation enters the picture, whereby the capitalist alienatees from the worker the product of his labor that is the foundation for the dynamics of the process of cognition. Thus the capitalist system by its very nature alienates the worker from hismelf by apppropriating from him the productr of his own labor.

    The critical role the division of labor plays in this is that in pre-indiustrial societies that for most of human history was how humans produced and reproduced the necessities of life, communities only produced use values. That is, they only produced what they used for themselves, and then also used up what they produced. They did not engage in producing for the market, that is, making object of use value for others.

    In these communities, individual producers were jack of all trades and learned to do all the things need to produce what they used. This was, indeed an almost entirely individualized production process.

    It was as the means of production became more complicated that individuals had to develop specialized skills to use them for production and to recreate the means of production. Enter the division of labor.

    But while the develoment of more complex means of production enhanced the labor power of workers to produce, it increasing compelled them to act cooperatively in an increasing coordinated poroduction process but that under capitalist was owned by the capitalist who by appropriating the product of labors of the workers alientated them both from their producxt and thereby froom themslves.

    And this is where Marx points to the key contradiction in the capitalist mode of production because it can only work by multitudes of people acting cooperatively (i.e collectively), the capitalist system increasingly becomes a socialized rather than an individualized production process where individuals create for themelves what they use.

    Yet by the process being owned by individual capitalists (including a corporation that is a collective of individual capitalists), this individualization of ownership that is operated for the sole benefit of the individual owner is the dialectic opposite of the actual socialized production process. This is how the material prodcess of production that is the foundation for continuously producing and reproducing the necessities of life that is the foundatioin of society comes into conflict with merely its superstructure that weighs upon it being the laws, etc. that are the basis for entitling the cpitalist to expropriate from the worker the product of his labor as Locke justified it with his example of him owning the product of his servant’s labor.

    To see how this is so, and its significance, identify one thing you used today that you produced entirely by your own effort (and I don’t mean breathing the air you need to live).

    Just one thing.

    Now consider how many separate things you use in any one day and where they came from. To get them to you necessitates the cooperation and coordination of millions of people. That’s how socialized the production process is, and how the individual capitalist social superstructure is completely at odds with how production is organized collectively (i.e socialized), but its results are apporpriated by the individual capitalist from the actual producers .

    The key contradiction is that capitalism is supposedly a system of individualized production that is in fact an entirely socialized system that the capitalist seeks at all costs to keep people from recognizing and drawing the correct conclsuon it is well past time for the expropriators to be expropriated.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
    @The Old Philosopher

    You still don’t get it. Marx doesn’t mean that people would serially engage in those activities all the time, but that their identity wouldn’t be based on any particular ectivities, such that a baker “is” a baker, a butcher “is” a butcher, a candlestick maker “is” a candlestiuck maker, etc., etc., and that what he does is what he is, thereby reducing the whole person into his singular productive activity

    No I understand and he is not merely making a point about specialization.

    He is imagining a typical day in his Communist utopia where production is so efficient that he can choose to hunt or fish for half the day.

    Let's look at the full quote:

    In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic.

    He is clearly not talking about the weekend and he in fact credits the Communist system:

    society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow

    Only massive gains in production would make this possible.

    You can't outproduce capitalism if everyone is choosing their own form of work half the day. How many people would choose grueling factory work? Yet he believes production would be high enough to where he go can tend to cattle if he feels like it. This is ridiculous. Who is going to show up at 7 AM to make fishing poles when they can go fish?

    This is one of many areas where Marxism breaks down. He doesn't explain how this all works and just reverts back to talking about Communism as a utopia where the efficiency will allow all these wonderful things. Well it didn't work and Soviet factory workers ended up working longer work weeks and they couldn't appeal to a union because independent unions are banned under Communism. What a utopia. Even before 1930 the Communists had turned the state into One Big Government factory and oh well if you don't like your job or specialization.

    The key observation on which Marx based the point about people being able to do diffrent things rather than their identity being formed by singular activities that the division of labor in industrial societies increasingly required workers to enngage in separate activities

    Specialization in capitalism is what leads to efficiency gains. Marx skipped Econ courses and views specialization as repressive. Specialization is more efficient than everyone trying to learn everything. It's simply more efficient for one tradesman to master masonry and another to master metallurgy. Then they trade their services instead of both starting from zero experience. Capitalism then allows indirect trading through the monetary system while a managed economy has to make all kinds of micro exchanges.

    Replies: @The Old Philosopher
  • @John Johnson
    High taxation(at over 90%) and powerful labor unions(and limited immigration) meant that capitalists couldn’t act like Jeff Bezos, Koch Brothers, and Tim Cook(the Crook).

    Those taxation rates had massive loopholes. That is how the Republicans were able to talk the Democrats into bringing down the rates. They compromised over loopholes. The wealthiest 1% in the US were not actually paying 90% income tax rates.

    The few exceptions were East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and to some extent Hungary. Unsurprisingly, communism was least bloody in those nations(though far from bloodless).

    The East Germans were simply better at making people disappear. They also had methods for making dissenters go insane and they would be shipped off to a mental ward.

    In other words, Russians were not good simply because they were Russian. Or Germans were not bad simply because they were German.

    That's touching. Now here is an actual quote from Marx:

    . Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way

    So lower races will have to give way to higher races. What happens to them? Well whatever the higher races decide of course.

    As much as I detest communism, all of Europe would now be better off if it had come under Soviet rule after WWII.

    So you would send another 20 million people off to gulags so in your mind there would be less faggotry in the future?

    The real irony here is that you rail against Jewish power while telling us you would submit all of Europe to the mad plans of A SINGLE GERMAN-JEW. The plans that failed fucking miserably in the 1920s but you would subject Europe to his left-wing dictatorship and failed economic plans for 50 years in the belief that they won't have gay marriage afterwards. So some dissenter is shipped off to Siberia for intellectual skepticism .... but hey...... your future offspring will be less likely to be in a society with gay marriage. Just consider that while your freeze to death in a mine.

    Can you not consider the possibility of rejecting both Communism and liberalism?

    Replies: @werpor

    “Can you not consider the possibility of rejecting both Communism and liberalism?” Every stick has two ends. Communism and liberalism emerged in an age of mass production. Grasping one end of the stick or the other end manifests intellectually and eventually publicly as an argument over who will control the stick. Who will get what share of the outputs of production? Wages, taxes, profits are outputs.

    Early manifestations of mass production could not have been brought into being without huge masses of capital, huge masses of labour, and huge returns on investments, i.e., profits. Returns on investment manifest as either retained earnings or dividends. Both retained earnings and dividends drive more investment. Which begets further input. Which necessitates further wages with which to pay for labour input.

    Capitalism is dynamic. And convergent. Invention is a manifestation of curiosity. Innovation is a utilitarian process. Invention began with a problem. Innovation solved it. Heating water in a confined container without a lid but instead connected to an output tube provided the escaping steam with power. Pumping water out of flooding mines solved a problem. Steam engines were large compression chambers laid on their sides, mounted on wheels. The driving wheels were turned by steam compressed to do work.

    One thing led to another. Most of the output in the age of steam depended on the output of huge steel mills. Steel for bridges, rails, engines, carriages, and later steel for building skyscrapers. Those early steel mills had as many as six thousand workers. Large masses of people were attracted to the steady wages. All this led to mass consumption and considerable discontent.

    Governments were called on to regulate. The law was called on to settle disputes. Railroads could not have been built without government. They granted land upon which to lay the track. The land provided the lenders with security upon which to justify the loans.

    Capitalism is dynamic and convergent. All together this was capitalism. People flooded to work in steel mills, engine works, pipe making factories, foundries, bridge building, track laying, and a little later to work in Fords vertically integrated factories; the eventual out, automobiles. And $5 a day wages.

    All this output necessitated new management skills and double entry bookkeeping came into its own.

    The entire thing was almost miraculous. Communism was an intellectual exercise which assumed that all this could somehow be controlled. This appealed to labour, government and bankers. These inventions and innovations led of course to applying them to building a better cannon. There is no better book than “The Arms of Krupp” by William Manchester, that I ever read, to elucidate this aspect of invention, innovation, and sheer audacious will as applied to building arms.

    In fact I can think of no better book to illustrate the difference between theory and practical output than Manchester’s story of an absolutely amazing manifestation of man’s quest for mastery, however dark the consequences.

    Now consider today:
    The Internet would never have flourished as it has if government, bankers, and the establishment could have predicted the consequences. The masses no longer exist. Certainly they do if one considers large populations as “the masses.” But certainly steel plants no longer employ 6000 labourers.

    One consequence of mass labour was the effect of using a single lever to increase output or decrease output. Central banks raise or lowered interest rates. Today the more central banks intrude on the economy by raising or lowering interest rates or government intrudes by increasing indebtedness or intrudes by lying to the public the quicker the various manifestations of the mass age will decompose.

    I doubt anyone can predict the future. But no question we are living in a future which was not predicted by Marx. Automobile assembly is an amazing just in time output made possible by invention and innovation which will only continue. The age of mass production and mass consumption and mass assemblies of soldiers “going over the top” was a stage.

    The Internet has made the obscenity of war transparent for anyone who cares to watch the unfolding madness in Ukraine. The reason NATO failed there is its assumptions are rooted in the mass age. The taxes necessary to continue driving economies by manufacturing arms is driving the U.S. into bankruptcy. Those elites are operating as though the assumptions guiding them are relevant in the Internet age. In fact most politicians could not survive anywhere else than the past. They are parodies!

    Watch TV, or read a newspaper, or listen to the radio — the MSM is a vestige of an earlier age. As often as not it is sheer entertainment eliciting from me deep guffaws! Obviously I do not live in a vacuum.

    Over the holidays I attended the annual circuit of friends and family celebrations. Gad! I’d forgotten how much things had changed since 2019. Things are not going back to the way they were. Even the New World Order stuff presumes a compliant public living exclusively in the United States, Western Europe and the old Commonwealth countries. The old guard still have the power and the levers to continue to run the West into the ground, yes they do — but they are more like dinosaurs.

    All the leaders are plants. They are hardly elected. Their foolish commentaries are scripts manufactured by the old elites’ propounding their dated views of the world. The new world is emerging and information is now common currency. Money flows towards information and runs from lies and misinformation.

    Consider this:
    Large pools of capital are finding it hard to discover suitable investments where the returns to capital are sufficient to mitigate the risk. But the new economy is a totally different form of social organization than the Mass Age. The technologies are more specific in their application. And yet more widely dispersed. There is nowhere today where cell phones have not proliferated. Information flows at the speed of light. The Mass Age meant control. The Internet Age is uncontrollable. Indeed the more governments try to control information the more information moves to jurisdictions where control does not, or cannot exist.

    Information is self regulating in the Internet Age. Either it is useful or it is not useful. Governments are bankrupt. Consumers are only limited by the hours of the day. Even then information is running in the background. Governments are being forced to abandon the old paradigms. Still they will not go quietly! Unfortunately.

    The Internet Age is neither capitalism nor communism. It has elements of both. Information is more and more in the hands of everyone. Every person is a node in the Information Age. Another important aspect of information is — it is not linear. Think about that!

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
    @werpor

    Every stick has two ends. Communism and liberalism emerged in an age of mass production. Grasping one end of the stick or the other end manifests intellectually and eventually publicly as an argument over who will control the stick. Who will get what share of the outputs of production? Wages, taxes, profits are outputs.

    It's actually possible to criticize laissez faire capitalism without the context of a failed alternative. There were criticisms of capitalism before Marx. He wasn't the first person to point out problems with capitalism like child labor, stagnant capital pools and class explotation. In fact Marxism ends up working against the proletariat as it takes away their ability to vote out corrupt politicians and form unions. Stalin had to censor Western media because it contradicted the Soviet claim that the US working class had harder lives compared to the Soviets.

    Jung is trying to project practically on Marx as if he was pushing an alternative to the Western capitalism that may not be as productive but will have its own benefits.

    That is not at all what Marx predicted. Marx claimed there would be an end to wars, hunger and national division thanks to Communism. It was supposed to bring about worldwide utopia and lead to a new level of humanity....but not for all races. Marx amusingly believed that class differences were entirely artificial but race was real. That actually contradicts the beliefs of modern Marxists.

    Marx to this day deceives people and especially egalitarian Whites with his promises of utopia. He was highly intelligent but his plans have major problems. Just ask a group of Marxists as to what the state should do if someone chooses to not work. To this day they haven't agreed on how to handle this basic problem. They will argue about whether or not he should be shipped off to a camp or if he should get his meal ticket as a human right. There are some pretty funny reddit threads where they get into massive arguments over this simple question. Das Kapital was published in 1867 and they still haven't figured this out.
  • @Anymike
    @Marcali

    On further review, the correct term would be "cumulative". "Rolled" as you use it to stand in for "cumulative" is jargon or a slang term, at least in this context.

    The 61,000,000 killed figure might not be accurate. Adult men of productive years undoubtedly would have to represent some large proportion of that number. If the Soviet regime killed off that many of the inherently most productive group within society, how did the regime build up industry, fight and win massive a war and then compete with the United States in world power for the next four decades?

    There may be an answer, but we need to know what it is.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Marcali

    The 61,000,000 killed figure might not be accurate. Adult men of productive years undoubtedly would have to represent some large proportion of that number. If the Soviet regime killed off that many of the inherently most productive group within society, how did the regime build up industry, fight and win massive a war and then compete with the United States in world power for the next four decades?

    I’m not going to defend 61 mil but there is plenty of evidence that they killed off too many intellectuals.

    Yes they built up industries but they were heavily dependent on East Germany for advanced machinery and then they later were trading gas and minerals for semiconductors.

    They put men in space but were dependent on the West for computer technology and medicine.

    The USSR was always an empire of smoke and mirrors. The only time they stopped trading heavily with Germany was 1941-1945. Interestingly Hitler’s chief economist was against Barbarossa because he believed the losses wouldn’t outweigh the economic status quo of simply buying oil from them. Even if Germany won he believed it would be an economic loss. Better to let the Soviets keep working and selling Germany oil and grain.

    The USSR would have collapsed in the late 70s if not for the oil spike. They ended up having to import chicken from the US which was a complete embarrassment. The Soviet people had been raised to believe they were the best and they were not only importing chicken but it was clearly higher quality than anything they had seen.

  • @The Old Philosopher
    @John Johnson

    Alleges:

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx
    Wow, have you missed the point of Marx' comment and what the authors has said about Marx's explanation of capitalism

    To c;larify, Marx's point is that after the capitalists have expanded the means of production by accumulating the product of the workers in private hands to the point that humAnITY COULD PRODUCE AND REPRODUCE THE means OF PRODUCTION AND the necessitis of life without engagining in endless toil, when those means of production were "socialized" i.e held in common by the producers who necessarily have to cooperate and coordinate their activities in the production process as a "social" process rather than operateing as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becxoming their identities.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    when those means of production were “socialized” i.e held in common by the producers who necessarily have to cooperate and coordinate their activities in the production process as a “social” process rather than operateing as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becxoming their identities.

    How would one be able to spend most of the day choosing activities without a massive increase in production over capitalist economies? You do realize that most people would not choose the jobs that are required for the economy to work? Hunting and fishing are leisure activities and Marx describes spending half the day doing them.

    Were Soviet citizens able to hunt and fish until the afternoon and then stroll on into the factory around 2? Then clock out early for a dinner with some criticism?

    This is all so ridiculous.

    Marx was very intelligent but intelligent people can come up with some very stupid ideas.

    It was clear that his plans were not well thought out after they were applied in 1920s USSR and today we still have people promoting them. That shows how so many leftists and egalitarians are unable to think independently and put all their faith in the failed plans a single German-Jew who didn’t take economics and never managed a business. He clearly hadn’t spent much time working in the real world as he believed low level workers and managers were only separated by artificial distinctions.

    •�Replies: @The Old Philosopher
    @John Johnson

    cites from point I made:

    production process as a “social” process rather than operating as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becoming their identities.
    You still don't get it. Marx doesn't mean that people would serially engage in those activities all the time, but that their identity wouldn't be based on any particular ectivities, such that a baker "is" a baker, a butcher "is" a butcher, a candlestick maker "is" a candlestiuck maker, etc., etc., and that what he does is what he is, thereby reducing the whole person into his singular productive activity.

    The production process in pre-capitalist and pre-industrrial societies is entirely unlike how it operates in capitalist societies and how that affects the dynamics involved in the process of cognition that is essentially the unity of opposites in sentient beings apprehending the world through the senses and then comprehending it through the dynamic process process of cognition of the brain that occurs by this very process that accumulates within the computer-like brain the synthesis of these opposite in memory that in turn conditions how sentient beings aprehend and comprehend the material conditions within which they live.

    If you want to learn how this process works, read about the OODA loop model that Col. John Boyd formulated that descrtibes it. That stands for Observatio-orientation-decisio- a tion with feedback loops from action to observatioin that is assimilated during the oritentation phases, leading to further decisions and action as a continuing process of cognition.

    This is the process Marx referrred to as Praxis, the knowing by doing, except that John Boyd has formulated a model for showing how the parts of the process are interconnected.

    The key obnservation on which Marx based the point about people being able to do diffrent things rather than their identity being formed by singular activities that the division of labor in industrial societies increasingly required workers to enngage in separate activities that were aggregated as workers acted separately but their separate actions were unified in a final product that was not theirs, but was instead alientated from them by the capitalist appropriating it as his own the product of their labor that was the praxis that was forming their cognition of the world.

    John Locke makes this point that clearly distinguishes the owner from the laborer and thaet justifies the appropriateion of the product of the work by one from the other when he notes somewhere in his treatise that the product of my labor is my own (that is, if a catch a deer, that makes it mine), but then goes on to say that the product of my servant is also mine. But if labor is what vaslidates my acquiring and appropriate material things from the natural world that makes it mine and for my exclusive use, what entitles me then to appropriate the work of my servant whose labor produced what I am entitled to appropriate from him?

    Thus as Locke makes clear, as the lord, he appropirates from his servant the product of his labor that , in turn is a critical element in the process of cognition that makes the person what he or she is.

    This is where Marx's concept of alienation enters the picture, whereby the capitalist alienatees from the worker the product of his labor that is the foundation for the dynamics of the process of cognition. Thus the capitalist system by its very nature alienates the worker from hismelf by apppropriating from him the productr of his own labor.

    The critical role the division of labor plays in this is that in pre-indiustrial societies that for most of human history was how humans produced and reproduced the necessities of life, communities only produced use values. That is, they only produced what they used for themselves, and then also used up what they produced. They did not engage in producing for the market, that is, making object of use value for others.

    In these communities, individual producers were jack of all trades and learned to do all the things need to produce what they used. This was, indeed an almost entirely individualized production process.

    It was as the means of production became more complicated that individuals had to develop specialized skills to use them for production and to recreate the means of production. Enter the division of labor.

    But while the develoment of more complex means of production enhanced the labor power of workers to produce, it increasing compelled them to act cooperatively in an increasing coordinated poroduction process but that under capitalist was owned by the capitalist who by appropriating the product of labors of the workers alientated them both from their producxt and thereby froom themslves.

    And this is where Marx points to the key contradiction in the capitalist mode of production because it can only work by multitudes of people acting cooperatively (i.e collectively), the capitalist system increasingly becomes a socialized rather than an individualized production process where individuals create for themelves what they use.

    Yet by the process being owned by individual capitalists (including a corporation that is a collective of individual capitalists), this individualization of ownership that is operated for the sole benefit of the individual owner is the dialectic opposite of the actual socialized production process. This is how the material prodcess of production that is the foundation for continuously producing and reproducing the necessities of life that is the foundatioin of society comes into conflict with merely its superstructure that weighs upon it being the laws, etc. that are the basis for entitling the cpitalist to expropriate from the worker the product of his labor as Locke justified it with his example of him owning the product of his servant's labor.

    To see how this is so, and its significance, identify one thing you used today that you produced entirely by your own effort (and I don't mean breathing the air you need to live).

    Just one thing.

    Now consider how many separate things you use in any one day and where they came from. To get them to you necessitates the cooperation and coordination of millions of people. That's how socialized the production process is, and how the individual capitalist social superstructure is completely at odds with how production is organized collectively (i.e socialized), but its results are apporpriated by the individual capitalist from the actual producers .

    The key contradiction is that capitalism is supposedly a system of individualized production that is in fact an entirely socialized system that the capitalist seeks at all costs to keep people from recognizing and drawing the correct conclsuon it is well past time for the expropriators to be expropriated.

    Replies: @John Johnson
  • @Francis Miville
    @lloyd

    As far as I can recall through direct witnesses having been through the event, the genocide did take place in Cambodia during the time the Khmer Rouges were supposed to be in full control. Actually, by the same testimonies, it is far from certain that the authors of the crimes were the Khmer Rouges proper : many are of the opinion that actually the numerous thugs that had supported the preceding fascistic regime and already by all official Western accounts killed at least half a million among the about two of the alleged massacre, were just continuing their usual murderous activities like before and paying lip service to the new regime as an offer they couldn't refuse, and with a vengeance by practising a burned earth policy in retribution for their defeat and their abandon by the Western powers. The killing fields were already in full operation long before the Khmer Rouges came. Actually Phom Penh was ordered to be emptied because there was a mass slaughter going on with the approval of Henry Kissinger, and those who were killed were those who refused to flee : the Khmer Rouges emptied the city for lack of immediate means to beat down the Lon Nol thugs that had already turned in into a slaughterhouse.

    That does not mean the Beijing-supported Khmer Rouges were innocent, but their main contribution to the horror was keeping their eyes wide shut not to admit they were the victors only on paper and going perusing their marxist doctrinal texts while paying no attention to what happened. They had no interest in proceeding to a massacre because most Cambodians had only one single dream : going back to their villages and building them back. They had no interest in killing so many intellectuals because it is among that class that they enjoyed most of their devout support and could recruit those most ready to the biggest personal sacrifices. Pol Pot, just to name one, lived a very austere life imitated from that of Buddhist monks minus the religious rituals : he was not exactly a kleptocrat of the kind you would have expected in such a murderous position nor a replica of Stalin or of Menghistu Mariam. One sign to that is that most of the rulers having been accused of performing most of the killings were elected as regular officials as soon as regular multi-partite elections were allowed again to proceed, by those who are supposed to have been their victims of choice during the regime. Something in the narrative doesn't match with today's reality, even though the mortality was real.

    My opinion is that Cambodia was being culled by Western-paid warriors proceeding under marxist or Chinese false flag like what would be done just a little later on in the name of Islam by various groups actually supervised from the US or Israel. If marxism was to be defeated that was right the thing to do for the Western deep state.

    Replies: @Malla, @John Johnson

    They had no interest in killing so many intellectuals because it is among that class that they enjoyed most of their devout support and could recruit those most ready to the biggest personal sacrifices.

    Completely ridiculous history denial.

    We have testimony from ex-soldiers and survivors that they were trying to kill intellectuals.

    Pol Pot was a moron who thought he could create a state entirely of workers and farmers. That was the plan. He viewed intellectuals as untrustworthy and unfair in their abilities.

    It’s not at all contended. There are leaders behind the plans of mass murder that have apologized.

    Khmer Rouge killing leaders apologize:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/1998/dec/30/cambodia

    Sorry for killing your relatives as part of some stupid plan to get rid of intellectuals. Our bad.

    This is what happens when left-wing resentment goes to the extreme. People that are too “unequal” are killed.

    My opinion is that Cambodia was being culled by Western-paid warriors proceeding under marxist or Chinese false flag like what would be done just a little later on in the name of Islam by various groups actually supervised from the US or Israel.

    It was Vietnam that removed Pol Pot. That was in 1979 which means a neighboring Communist country that hated the West removed him. They knew he was a complete psychopath.

    Please read basic history before coming up with your own theories.

  • @John Johnson
    @old coyote

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming.

    Had nothing to do with that.

    Marx was not a racial egalitarian and didn't care if Africans were enslaved.

    He didn't believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.

    Jung is working from a modern take on Marx where his views on race and Jews are kept out of academic texts. The typical Marxist actually hasn't read Marx.

    The race denial of the left and Anglo shaming came after Marx. It has its origins in Boas and the Frankfurt School.

    Marx and Engels believed race was real and accounted for the development differences of North and South America. But don't take my word for it, here it is from the man himself:

    Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it? - Karl Marx, father of the left

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @Malla, @werpor

    Academic texts are very carefully manufactured within the academy by a process of rendering, much like butchering an animal renders it into unrecognizable parts. A lamb chop is not a sheep. Neither is a sheep a lamb chop. One cannot look at a sheep and see lamb chops or eat a lamb chop and see a sheep.

    The academy is like a digestive system. What comes out is not lamb chops. What went in is not lamb chops either. The academy is an artificial thing, raising tame sheep. Tame sheep are not at all like wild sheep. Tame sheep are raised to be eaten and sheared. Sheep are not alarmed when the shepherd kills one of them for his dinner. They wait patiently to be sheared. Or eaten!

    Arguing about which shepherd is better is a straw man argument. All shepherds eat lamb and shear sheep. Tame sheep follow the crowd. Shepherds depend on that. Better to be a wild sheep — the view is much better. And, there are no shepherds.

  • @Zane
    @Twin Ruler

    There was no " Holocaust ". It's a lie.

    Replies: @Twin Ruler

    Oh, I never thought of that!

  • @Twin Ruler
    I used to be like most other people. I used to feel sad about the deaths of Anne Frank and the rest of the Six Million Jews who, supposedly, died in what is termed The Holocaust. One day, I began to wonder: what about all of Stalin's victims (and for that matter Mao's)? That was when I had my major ideological epiphany! In a word, "Goyim". Most of Stalin's (and Mao's) victims were Goyim, rather than Jews. And, that is precisely why what happened to Stalin's and Mao's victims are relatively down played.

    And notice, they say that The Holocaust was "Uniquely Evil". And if (((they))) call it that, what to they call the very similar atrocities carried out by The Communists? Kosher Slaughter? But, seriously, I am inclined to think that when (((they))) say The Holocaust is "Uniquely Evil", they mean to imply that they believe that the German people are "Uniquely Evil"-- every single German man, woman, and child.

    It all goes back to the distinction, made in the Talmud, between the Jews, as The Chosen People, and the Goyim, as mere Cattle in Human form. Ergo, all those Holocaust movies reveal as much about the racism of The Jews, as ever they do about the Nazis. What makes it all the more sickening to me is this: for the exact same reason "Americans" condemn The Holocaust, they condone, even praise, everything that the Jews, in their turn, are carrying out against The Palestinian Arabs. Goldhagen, in his "Hitler's Willing Executioners", does not even mention Soviet atrocities against the Russian population at all.

    Now, in order to understand how The Jews perceive The Holocaust, imagine this scenario. There is a farm, wherein the cattle round up the farmer, his family, and all their farm hands, rather than the other way about. Now, most people, being people, would perceive that as, somehow, Supernaturally evil. That the cattle, in that case, rose above their Station in the Great Chain of Being! Jews are merely sore that someone decided to do to them what they love to do to other people.

    Replies: @Zane

    There was no ” Holocaust “. It’s a lie.

    •�Replies: @Twin Ruler
    @Zane

    Oh, I never thought of that!
  • @Dacian
    No, Ceausescu did not sell the Jews to Israel. He only claimed that the country be reimbursed for the free schooling that the country provided up to and including university and doctoral degrees.

    Furthermore, Ceausescu lifted the country out of illiteracy, made 10 grades obligatory with the aim of giving a high-school level education to everyone. Built English BAC civilian jets, endowed Bucharest with a long needed metro/subway system, built an automobile industry out of nowhere, nuclear plant, a flotilla of fishing boats bringing harvest from the Atlantic, etc. etc. Rather than condemn Ceausescu for the cult of personality, one should self search human nature and the slavish kowtowing to the warmongering politicians that we see nowadays in the West to understand what the much hipped "cult of personality" actually is.

    And I am saying all of this, as a former political dissident who left Romania in the late 1970s.

    By comparison to today’s brainwashed westerners, Ceausescu did not order one single kill. I had friends who were rather exiled, but not one was killed. But the war criminal West who killed millions upon millions of human beings are using lies and deceit to appear innocent of their real crimes.

    Unfortunately the author is quite ill informed about the history of the East and makes all sorts of pedantic and trite statements. Worse, many of the comments here show their own "cult" of hyping the ignorance of the the author. Hypocrisy at its highest.

    Replies: @Odyssey, @Commentator Mike

    There was much that was wrong with communism but also much positive. It definitely needed correcting and improving, and I don’t think glasnost and perestroika were such bad ideas, but it should have all moved in a different direction. Now it is obvious that the anti-communist revolts were colour revolutions promoted by the West with cheap propaganda. The talk of the mass murder by the communists is greatly exaggerated. And now instead of one party they have many parties playing some neverending stupid democracy games. The fall of the Berlin Wall was greatly hyped up and it could have offered salvation to Germany had the East taken over the West rather than the other way round which made a mockery of “unification” as it was just a takeover.

  • @Mark G.
    @Anymike


    I think there is something wrong with these numbers. You know. You know.
    I believe those are cumulative numbers with the final total being 61,911,000.

    Replies: @Anymike

    That is correct. I figured it out eventually. People should not use jargon. Another thing I detest is acronyms other people cannot be expected to know.

    •�Agree: Mark G., werpor
  • @Marcali
    @Anymike

    I am sorry to see that you could not comprehend the satistical term of "rolled".

    Replies: @Anymike, @Anymike

    On further review, the correct term would be “cumulative”. “Rolled” as you use it to stand in for “cumulative” is jargon or a slang term, at least in this context.

    The 61,000,000 killed figure might not be accurate. Adult men of productive years undoubtedly would have to represent some large proportion of that number. If the Soviet regime killed off that many of the inherently most productive group within society, how did the regime build up industry, fight and win massive a war and then compete with the United States in world power for the next four decades?

    There may be an answer, but we need to know what it is.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anymike

    The 61,000,000 killed figure might not be accurate. Adult men of productive years undoubtedly would have to represent some large proportion of that number. If the Soviet regime killed off that many of the inherently most productive group within society, how did the regime build up industry, fight and win massive a war and then compete with the United States in world power for the next four decades?

    I'm not going to defend 61 mil but there is plenty of evidence that they killed off too many intellectuals.

    Yes they built up industries but they were heavily dependent on East Germany for advanced machinery and then they later were trading gas and minerals for semiconductors.

    They put men in space but were dependent on the West for computer technology and medicine.

    The USSR was always an empire of smoke and mirrors. The only time they stopped trading heavily with Germany was 1941-1945. Interestingly Hitler's chief economist was against Barbarossa because he believed the losses wouldn't outweigh the economic status quo of simply buying oil from them. Even if Germany won he believed it would be an economic loss. Better to let the Soviets keep working and selling Germany oil and grain.

    The USSR would have collapsed in the late 70s if not for the oil spike. They ended up having to import chicken from the US which was a complete embarrassment. The Soviet people had been raised to believe they were the best and they were not only importing chicken but it was clearly higher quality than anything they had seen.
    , @Marcali
    @Anymike

    „Bolshevism cannot escape responsibility for the establishment of a dictatorship instilled with hatred for the individual. As a result of its criminal actions, more than sixty million people were exterminated. Bolshevism, as a species and forerunner of fascism, made itself the principal force in the genocide of its own people.”
    (Alexander N. Yakovlev: a Century of Violence in Soviet Russia, Yale University Press, 2002, p.237.)

    Now Yakovlev was a high ranking soviet functionary, one of the highest ranking.
  • @John Johnson
    Thus, Marxism is less anti-capitalist than post-capitalist. Marx didn’t argue that communism is the way to build an economy. He conceded nothing beats capitalism in wealth creation, technological innovation, urbanization, and emergence of mass consciousness.

    This is incorrect.

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    "to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    Karl Marx sold Communism as utopian. It was to beat capitalism on productivity by removing the ownership class that he believed were reducing efficiency by taking a profit.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced. That is part of New Man theory.

    Also, communism didn’t favor one group over another. While most communism was nationalist, it didn’t say one nation of people was better than another nation of people.

    Communism openly favors the proletariat over everyone else.

    Karl Marx stated that not all nations are capable of Communism and supported slavery of Africans.

    “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx

    Of course you won't hear Marxists talk about any of this.

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @old coyote, @Priss Factor, @The Old Philosopher

    Alleges:

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    Wow, have you missed the point of Marx’ comment and what the authors has said about Marx’s explanation of capitalism

    To c;larify, Marx’s point is that after the capitalists have expanded the means of production by accumulating the product of the workers in private hands to the point that humAnITY COULD PRODUCE AND REPRODUCE THE means OF PRODUCTION AND the necessitis of life without engagining in endless toil, when those means of production were “socialized” i.e held in common by the producers who necessarily have to cooperate and coordinate their activities in the production process as a “social” process rather than operateing as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becxoming their identities.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
    @The Old Philosopher


    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx
    when those means of production were “socialized” i.e held in common by the producers who necessarily have to cooperate and coordinate their activities in the production process as a “social” process rather than operateing as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becxoming their identities.

    How would one be able to spend most of the day choosing activities without a massive increase in production over capitalist economies? You do realize that most people would not choose the jobs that are required for the economy to work? Hunting and fishing are leisure activities and Marx describes spending half the day doing them.

    Were Soviet citizens able to hunt and fish until the afternoon and then stroll on into the factory around 2? Then clock out early for a dinner with some criticism?

    This is all so ridiculous.

    Marx was very intelligent but intelligent people can come up with some very stupid ideas.

    It was clear that his plans were not well thought out after they were applied in 1920s USSR and today we still have people promoting them. That shows how so many leftists and egalitarians are unable to think independently and put all their faith in the failed plans a single German-Jew who didn't take economics and never managed a business. He clearly hadn't spent much time working in the real world as he believed low level workers and managers were only separated by artificial distinctions.

    Replies: @The Old Philosopher
  • @Godfree Roberts
    Fascinating tour d'horizon. Many thanks. A few quibbles:

    Cult of Personality, whether of Stalin, Mao.. Mao, though sometimes crazy
    Mao discussed the cult phenomenon with colleagues, who felt it was unavoidable. He had, after all, saved China's ass and they were hysterically grateful. Says Harvard's John King Fairbank, “The simple facts of Mao’s career seem incredible: in a vast land of 400 million people, at age 28, with a dozen others, to found a party and in the next fifty years to win power, organize, and remold the people and reshape the land–history records no greater achievement. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, all the kings of Europe, Napoleon, Bismarck, Lenin–no predecessor can equal Mao’s scope of accomplishment, for no other country was ever so ancient and so big as China. Indeed Mao’s achievement is almost beyond our comprehension".

    the Politics of Hysterics, with the Cultural Revolution in China being the most obvious case. Khmer Rouge-ism was inspired by Maoism at its zaniest (Great Leap and Cultural Revolution)
    The Great Leap was immensely ambitious, but the withdrawal of USSR technicians and engineers, combined with a doubling population left Mao few choices. It was beaten by weather, local incompetence and the US Grain Embargo. But during the Great Leap decade, the Chinese made their first car, their first truck, their first tractor, their first airplane, their first gunboat, and so on, in the late 1950s during the Great Leap Forward.
    A number of important plants were built with the help of the then Soviet Union, and began to play important roles in Chinaʼs economic life.
    Also during the Great Leap Forward, Chinese peasants built a great number of reservoirs throughout China. Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, the Danjiangkou Reservoir, Miyun Reservoir, Shisanling Reservoir, Xiashan Reservoir, Xinanjiang Reservoir, Lushui Reservoir, Xinfengjiang Reservoir, Songtao Reservoir, Shengzhong Reservoir, and Guanyinge Reservoir, nine were built during the Great Leap Forward. From 1949 to 1976, the 27 years of the Mao Era, Chinese peasants, under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman Mao, worked on 200,000 kilometers of banks of the Yellow River, Hui River, Hai River, Liao River, and so on to prevent floods. In 1949, before the Communist Party came to power, there were only 6 big reservoirs, 13 medium-sized reservoirs, and 1,200 small reservoirs in China.

    The Cultural Revolution was a successful literacy campaign that taught 400,000,000 illiterate peasants to read, write and vote. It was 'revolutionary' only because the peasants had been illiterate and voiceless for 4,000 years. Nobody was killed or injured during it, and the economy continued growing 6%-7% throughout.

    Replies: @Priss Factor, @hhsiii, @The Old Philosopher

    Thanks for listing the achievements of the Cultural REvolution that have been entirely suppressed in the West which has simply denounced it as a mindless suppression subjugation of the poeple and denial of personal liberties by Mao’s godless Communists.

    The fact is as the author of Fanshen make clear that the Great Leap Forward was, as the slogan implies, a cohesive and coherent effort to shake the Chinese people free of the ancient traditions that had subjugated and made them accept the ideologies that bound them to the old order by showing them how and developing comnfidence in themsleves they could by their own efforts linberate themslves from those tradition by breaking them mold that tied them to the landlord class and their oppressors by working together to engage in capital formation in their communities to lay the foundation for future growth by their own labors.

    It was thus an enormous national education project that showed what they could accomplish by self-reliance to create capital that woulkd greately enhance their future productivety that instread of becoming the wealth capitalisdts ACCUMULATED FOR THEMSELVES BY EXPLOITING WORKERS that WOULD INSTEAD BE HELD BY and for the bemefit of the comminities that built it.

    The solid tangible results of those efforts that you ldescribed are the proof of the success the revolution achieved that Western capitalists must necessarily suppress to make it appeare that the private accumulation of wealth for expanding the means of production fhat vastly enhanced the productivity of labor is the only way effective way to do so while hiding the fact that expanding the means of producttion in this way means that it can be done only by the individual caitalists expropriating for themslves the the product of the workers who creatred it and using it to turn around continue to oppress them by holding in private hands the means of production they have produced by their labor to enhance their productivity that is in tiurn used to further enslave them to the capitalists.

    It is thererfor important to note that unlike capitalist privately accumulating the means of production that workers produced, what the Chinese people built that you describe remained as the wealth of the community rather than of individual capitalists.

    That also was a big leap forward.

  • @Director95
    Priss, I think Japan is an interesting case for this debate. Japan has a liberal democracy with a capitalist econ system - A true First World nation. But the Japanese leadership has not signed on to the globo-homo, third world immigrant parade. The Japanese take enormous pride in their identity and totally reject any attempt to replace or cancel the Japanese peoples. And the japs guard their voting rights very selfishly, as they damn well should. But the birth rate is a troublesome consideration and may open the door for the globo-homos to charge in.

    I believe some wisely crafted (fascist) laws to reward parenting while discouraging porn, queers and radical feminists could help right the ship.

    Another outlier for thought is Switzerland.

    Replies: @Priss Factor, @Anymike

    Japan’s population grew rapidly between 1945 and 1990. It has been level since then hanging around above 120 million. The figure could be deceptive and partially the product of longer lifespans but Japan is by no means dying.

    Japan as an economy and a force in the world could do well with a population of maybe 90 million, if they had enough young people.

  • @Francis Miville
    @lloyd

    As far as I can recall through direct witnesses having been through the event, the genocide did take place in Cambodia during the time the Khmer Rouges were supposed to be in full control. Actually, by the same testimonies, it is far from certain that the authors of the crimes were the Khmer Rouges proper : many are of the opinion that actually the numerous thugs that had supported the preceding fascistic regime and already by all official Western accounts killed at least half a million among the about two of the alleged massacre, were just continuing their usual murderous activities like before and paying lip service to the new regime as an offer they couldn't refuse, and with a vengeance by practising a burned earth policy in retribution for their defeat and their abandon by the Western powers. The killing fields were already in full operation long before the Khmer Rouges came. Actually Phom Penh was ordered to be emptied because there was a mass slaughter going on with the approval of Henry Kissinger, and those who were killed were those who refused to flee : the Khmer Rouges emptied the city for lack of immediate means to beat down the Lon Nol thugs that had already turned in into a slaughterhouse.

    That does not mean the Beijing-supported Khmer Rouges were innocent, but their main contribution to the horror was keeping their eyes wide shut not to admit they were the victors only on paper and going perusing their marxist doctrinal texts while paying no attention to what happened. They had no interest in proceeding to a massacre because most Cambodians had only one single dream : going back to their villages and building them back. They had no interest in killing so many intellectuals because it is among that class that they enjoyed most of their devout support and could recruit those most ready to the biggest personal sacrifices. Pol Pot, just to name one, lived a very austere life imitated from that of Buddhist monks minus the religious rituals : he was not exactly a kleptocrat of the kind you would have expected in such a murderous position nor a replica of Stalin or of Menghistu Mariam. One sign to that is that most of the rulers having been accused of performing most of the killings were elected as regular officials as soon as regular multi-partite elections were allowed again to proceed, by those who are supposed to have been their victims of choice during the regime. Something in the narrative doesn't match with today's reality, even though the mortality was real.

    My opinion is that Cambodia was being culled by Western-paid warriors proceeding under marxist or Chinese false flag like what would be done just a little later on in the name of Islam by various groups actually supervised from the US or Israel. If marxism was to be defeated that was right the thing to do for the Western deep state.

    Replies: @Malla, @John Johnson

    If marxism was to be defeated that was right the thing to do for the Western deep state.

    LMFAO, the Western deep state are not anti-marxist, they are pro marxist. They might be against certain types of Marxist regimes, they dislike. If they would have been so serious about defeating Marxism, they would have banned the teachings of Marx in western Universities. Western media and academia would not have been left winged. As a kid I became pro-Marxist just by watching American Jew Deep State media.
    What the Western deep states were afraid of was the possible rise of another Hitler or Mussolini. And top prevent that one of the many strategies used was the sexual revolution.

    https://unherd.com/2022/12/the-politics-of-masturbation/
    Was the sexual revolution a government psy-op?

    In the early Thirties, one wing of the psychoanalytic movement splintered off and became politicised under the leadership of Wilhelm Reich. Reich was convinced that fighting fascism would require a psychological transformation of the entire German population. Their susceptibility to authoritarian politics and attraction to the Fuhrer were due to the unhealthy festering of irrational forces in individual psyches, rooted ultimately in sexual “repression”. Through the efforts of Archibald MacLeish, arch-WASP literary man of the Ivy League and liberal activist, these ideas gained influence in the American security services during the war, and particular the OSS, which was planning for the reeducation of the Germans upon their defeat and subsequent military occupation. And, in fact, the US-led Allied High Commission took up this project of Freudian political therapy in its rule over the defeated Germans, which lasted until 1955.

    To put the matter crudely, the Germans were going to have to start masturbating more. More seriously, the working-class family, with its sharply distinguished sex roles and ideal of a strong father, was found to be at the root of the political problem. Reich called himself a Freudo-Marxist.

  • @Odyssey
    @Dacian

    Ceausescu's biggest sin is that he wanted to pay off all Romania's debts and did not want to depend on the banking mafia. That's why he managed to achieve it by saving a lot, even on food, but with this, he signed his own death sentence. I wonder if Serafimko also agrees with this or if he is busy waiting for a signal together with the Poles somewhere on the Ukrainian border.

    Replies: @Priss Factor

    Ceausescu’s biggest sin is that he wanted to pay off all Romania’s debts and did not want to depend on the banking mafia.

    But he was a mediocrity and he spent lavishly on dumb projects.

    •�Agree: Odyssey
  • @lloyd
    The Khmer Rouge under French educated Pol Pot developed a novel policy to stop the famine that the CIA set out to impose on Cambodia. Instead of commandeering the food from the country side, they closed down urban life and brought the entire population into the countryside to grow food. It was expedient for Vietnam to invent atrocities about them to exonerate their conquest of a Communist country, as it was expedient for the West to exonerate their previous destruction of much of Indochina. The Khmer Rouge preserved the Cambodian cultural sites. So I think they were deserving of some dispensation as Jung-Freud gives to all the other twentieth century tyrants. When I was in Cambodia, there was an outcry in Cambodian villages at the depiction of the Khmer Rouge in school text books. The display of skulls seems to me fabricated. Where are their bodies? Have the skulls been dug up from old cemeteries or even fakes? I taught this interpretation in my University economic classes in China. It appeared to get a good response from the descendants of the great Leap Forward era.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Francis Miville

    As far as I can recall through direct witnesses having been through the event, the genocide did take place in Cambodia during the time the Khmer Rouges were supposed to be in full control. Actually, by the same testimonies, it is far from certain that the authors of the crimes were the Khmer Rouges proper : many are of the opinion that actually the numerous thugs that had supported the preceding fascistic regime and already by all official Western accounts killed at least half a million among the about two of the alleged massacre, were just continuing their usual murderous activities like before and paying lip service to the new regime as an offer they couldn’t refuse, and with a vengeance by practising a burned earth policy in retribution for their defeat and their abandon by the Western powers. The killing fields were already in full operation long before the Khmer Rouges came. Actually Phom Penh was ordered to be emptied because there was a mass slaughter going on with the approval of Henry Kissinger, and those who were killed were those who refused to flee : the Khmer Rouges emptied the city for lack of immediate means to beat down the Lon Nol thugs that had already turned in into a slaughterhouse.

    That does not mean the Beijing-supported Khmer Rouges were innocent, but their main contribution to the horror was keeping their eyes wide shut not to admit they were the victors only on paper and going perusing their marxist doctrinal texts while paying no attention to what happened. They had no interest in proceeding to a massacre because most Cambodians had only one single dream : going back to their villages and building them back. They had no interest in killing so many intellectuals because it is among that class that they enjoyed most of their devout support and could recruit those most ready to the biggest personal sacrifices. Pol Pot, just to name one, lived a very austere life imitated from that of Buddhist monks minus the religious rituals : he was not exactly a kleptocrat of the kind you would have expected in such a murderous position nor a replica of Stalin or of Menghistu Mariam. One sign to that is that most of the rulers having been accused of performing most of the killings were elected as regular officials as soon as regular multi-partite elections were allowed again to proceed, by those who are supposed to have been their victims of choice during the regime. Something in the narrative doesn’t match with today’s reality, even though the mortality was real.

    My opinion is that Cambodia was being culled by Western-paid warriors proceeding under marxist or Chinese false flag like what would be done just a little later on in the name of Islam by various groups actually supervised from the US or Israel. If marxism was to be defeated that was right the thing to do for the Western deep state.

    •�Thanks: Sarah
    •�Replies: @Malla
    @Francis Miville


    If marxism was to be defeated that was right the thing to do for the Western deep state.
    LMFAO, the Western deep state are not anti-marxist, they are pro marxist. They might be against certain types of Marxist regimes, they dislike. If they would have been so serious about defeating Marxism, they would have banned the teachings of Marx in western Universities. Western media and academia would not have been left winged. As a kid I became pro-Marxist just by watching American Jew Deep State media.
    What the Western deep states were afraid of was the possible rise of another Hitler or Mussolini. And top prevent that one of the many strategies used was the sexual revolution.

    https://unherd.com/2022/12/the-politics-of-masturbation/
    Was the sexual revolution a government psy-op?

    In the early Thirties, one wing of the psychoanalytic movement splintered off and became politicised under the leadership of Wilhelm Reich. Reich was convinced that fighting fascism would require a psychological transformation of the entire German population. Their susceptibility to authoritarian politics and attraction to the Fuhrer were due to the unhealthy festering of irrational forces in individual psyches, rooted ultimately in sexual “repression”. Through the efforts of Archibald MacLeish, arch-WASP literary man of the Ivy League and liberal activist, these ideas gained influence in the American security services during the war, and particular the OSS, which was planning for the reeducation of the Germans upon their defeat and subsequent military occupation. And, in fact, the US-led Allied High Commission took up this project of Freudian political therapy in its rule over the defeated Germans, which lasted until 1955.

    To put the matter crudely, the Germans were going to have to start masturbating more. More seriously, the working-class family, with its sharply distinguished sex roles and ideal of a strong father, was found to be at the root of the political problem. Reich called himself a Freudo-Marxist.
    , @John Johnson
    @Francis Miville

    They had no interest in killing so many intellectuals because it is among that class that they enjoyed most of their devout support and could recruit those most ready to the biggest personal sacrifices.

    Completely ridiculous history denial.

    We have testimony from ex-soldiers and survivors that they were trying to kill intellectuals.

    Pol Pot was a moron who thought he could create a state entirely of workers and farmers. That was the plan. He viewed intellectuals as untrustworthy and unfair in their abilities.

    It's not at all contended. There are leaders behind the plans of mass murder that have apologized.

    Khmer Rouge killing leaders apologize:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/1998/dec/30/cambodia

    Sorry for killing your relatives as part of some stupid plan to get rid of intellectuals. Our bad.

    This is what happens when left-wing resentment goes to the extreme. People that are too "unequal" are killed.

    My opinion is that Cambodia was being culled by Western-paid warriors proceeding under marxist or Chinese false flag like what would be done just a little later on in the name of Islam by various groups actually supervised from the US or Israel.

    It was Vietnam that removed Pol Pot. That was in 1979 which means a neighboring Communist country that hated the West removed him. They knew he was a complete psychopath.

    Please read basic history before coming up with your own theories.
  • As the Ukraine War is the start of ww3 I don’t think it willmatter very soon.

  • Always thought provoking

  • hmm, nice?, but empty!, masticating vocabulario with fancy(?) names, like republic, democracy , capitalism communism, socialism all kind of ‘religion’ garbage from so called ”philosophers” (useless vagabond workers hee) , look at marx!…..is NOTHING but simple gol to enslave others to work for lazy boom’s !, and we know end, ‘revolution upon revolution, meaning killing slaves, until IQ36 genetically damage ”human” come up” with better word for slavery!….inherently ”humans” have few (more, likely!)g damage chromosomes!, like psychopatic narcissism,, selfishness , greed….>>

  • “Because certain expressions and actions are given free rein while others are censored or penalized on account of them being ‘hate speech'(therefore not legitimate as expressions of freedom), the current West fools itself(and many around the world) that it is indeed free.”

    Yes, the West is free. There is no such thing as unfettered freedoms. There have always been restraints in our conduct. That’s the social contract in action.

    “Imagine an order where a white woman has the choice of having sex with a black man or not having sex with him. Such would be genuinely liberal. But suppose the New Order says she MUST have sex with him because to reject him would be ‘racist’ and ‘hateful’.”

    Lol, this is a classic false premise.

  • @Dacian
    No, Ceausescu did not sell the Jews to Israel. He only claimed that the country be reimbursed for the free schooling that the country provided up to and including university and doctoral degrees.

    Furthermore, Ceausescu lifted the country out of illiteracy, made 10 grades obligatory with the aim of giving a high-school level education to everyone. Built English BAC civilian jets, endowed Bucharest with a long needed metro/subway system, built an automobile industry out of nowhere, nuclear plant, a flotilla of fishing boats bringing harvest from the Atlantic, etc. etc. Rather than condemn Ceausescu for the cult of personality, one should self search human nature and the slavish kowtowing to the warmongering politicians that we see nowadays in the West to understand what the much hipped "cult of personality" actually is.

    And I am saying all of this, as a former political dissident who left Romania in the late 1970s.

    By comparison to today’s brainwashed westerners, Ceausescu did not order one single kill. I had friends who were rather exiled, but not one was killed. But the war criminal West who killed millions upon millions of human beings are using lies and deceit to appear innocent of their real crimes.

    Unfortunately the author is quite ill informed about the history of the East and makes all sorts of pedantic and trite statements. Worse, many of the comments here show their own "cult" of hyping the ignorance of the the author. Hypocrisy at its highest.

    Replies: @Odyssey, @Commentator Mike

    Ceausescu’s biggest sin is that he wanted to pay off all Romania’s debts and did not want to depend on the banking mafia. That’s why he managed to achieve it by saving a lot, even on food, but with this, he signed his own death sentence. I wonder if Serafimko also agrees with this or if he is busy waiting for a signal together with the Poles somewhere on the Ukrainian border.

    •�Replies: @Priss Factor
    @Odyssey


    Ceausescu’s biggest sin is that he wanted to pay off all Romania’s debts and did not want to depend on the banking mafia.
    But he was a mediocrity and he spent lavishly on dumb projects.
  • No, Ceausescu did not sell the Jews to Israel. He only claimed that the country be reimbursed for the free schooling that the country provided up to and including university and doctoral degrees.

    Furthermore, Ceausescu lifted the country out of illiteracy, made 10 grades obligatory with the aim of giving a high-school level education to everyone. Built English BAC civilian jets, endowed Bucharest with a long needed metro/subway system, built an automobile industry out of nowhere, nuclear plant, a flotilla of fishing boats bringing harvest from the Atlantic, etc. etc. Rather than condemn Ceausescu for the cult of personality, one should self search human nature and the slavish kowtowing to the warmongering politicians that we see nowadays in the West to understand what the much hipped “cult of personality” actually is.

    And I am saying all of this, as a former political dissident who left Romania in the late 1970s.

    By comparison to today’s brainwashed westerners, Ceausescu did not order one single kill. I had friends who were rather exiled, but not one was killed. But the war criminal West who killed millions upon millions of human beings are using lies and deceit to appear innocent of their real crimes.

    Unfortunately the author is quite ill informed about the history of the East and makes all sorts of pedantic and trite statements. Worse, many of the comments here show their own “cult” of hyping the ignorance of the the author. Hypocrisy at its highest.

    •�Replies: @Odyssey
    @Dacian

    Ceausescu's biggest sin is that he wanted to pay off all Romania's debts and did not want to depend on the banking mafia. That's why he managed to achieve it by saving a lot, even on food, but with this, he signed his own death sentence. I wonder if Serafimko also agrees with this or if he is busy waiting for a signal together with the Poles somewhere on the Ukrainian border.

    Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @Commentator Mike
    @Dacian

    There was much that was wrong with communism but also much positive. It definitely needed correcting and improving, and I don't think glasnost and perestroika were such bad ideas, but it should have all moved in a different direction. Now it is obvious that the anti-communist revolts were colour revolutions promoted by the West with cheap propaganda. The talk of the mass murder by the communists is greatly exaggerated. And now instead of one party they have many parties playing some neverending stupid democracy games. The fall of the Berlin Wall was greatly hyped up and it could have offered salvation to Germany had the East taken over the West rather than the other way round which made a mockery of "unification" as it was just a takeover.
  • Man thinks, God laughs.

    Then what would Darwin say?

    Joe

  • @John Johnson
    @old coyote

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming.

    Had nothing to do with that.

    Marx was not a racial egalitarian and didn't care if Africans were enslaved.

    He didn't believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.

    Jung is working from a modern take on Marx where his views on race and Jews are kept out of academic texts. The typical Marxist actually hasn't read Marx.

    The race denial of the left and Anglo shaming came after Marx. It has its origins in Boas and the Frankfurt School.

    Marx and Engels believed race was real and accounted for the development differences of North and South America. But don't take my word for it, here it is from the man himself:

    Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it? - Karl Marx, father of the left

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @Malla, @werpor

    Marx even supported the British Empire in India, because he believed that would modernise India, and bring India from a feudal state to a Capitalist industrial State which would in the long term move India towards the path of Communism.

    He didn’t believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.

    He was right on that one. Compare post Empire Tanzania (Julius Nyerere – Ujama) with say mainland China, North Korea or Eastern Europe during the Warsaw Pact days. Or even Cuba for that matter. In Africa it all ends up into tribalism. The only things that can succeed among black Africans are tribe or at best, maybe some Islamic state.

  • @Slav
    @Malla

    They are not Leninist, they don't understand their own parasitic position in the world imperialist system.

    Replies: @Malla

    They are not Leninist, they don’t understand their own parasitic position in the world imperialist system.

    They (baizuos) are a different type of Marxists, different evolution. They keep on blaming the West for being parasitic and they are very pro-Third World. They are Cultural Marxists. A big chunk of the Marxists in the West evolved in a different direction than the Warsaw pact World.

  • @John Johnson
    @old coyote

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming.

    Had nothing to do with that.

    Marx was not a racial egalitarian and didn't care if Africans were enslaved.

    He didn't believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.

    Jung is working from a modern take on Marx where his views on race and Jews are kept out of academic texts. The typical Marxist actually hasn't read Marx.

    The race denial of the left and Anglo shaming came after Marx. It has its origins in Boas and the Frankfurt School.

    Marx and Engels believed race was real and accounted for the development differences of North and South America. But don't take my word for it, here it is from the man himself:

    Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it? - Karl Marx, father of the left

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @Malla, @werpor

    Wow, Karl Marx was not a Racial Egalitarian.

  • @old coyote
    @Anymike

    "some animals are more equal than other animals"... Orwell.
    Aristotle did have a good take on rhetoric vs dialectic; his intuition that 80 of 100 are incapable of reason and can only be swayed with emotion seems to the basis of control for nearly all authoritarian regimes.

    Replies: @Anymike

    You don’t need Aristotle’s help to come to that conclusion.

  • @Godfree Roberts
    Fascinating tour d'horizon. Many thanks. A few quibbles:

    Cult of Personality, whether of Stalin, Mao.. Mao, though sometimes crazy
    Mao discussed the cult phenomenon with colleagues, who felt it was unavoidable. He had, after all, saved China's ass and they were hysterically grateful. Says Harvard's John King Fairbank, “The simple facts of Mao’s career seem incredible: in a vast land of 400 million people, at age 28, with a dozen others, to found a party and in the next fifty years to win power, organize, and remold the people and reshape the land–history records no greater achievement. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, all the kings of Europe, Napoleon, Bismarck, Lenin–no predecessor can equal Mao’s scope of accomplishment, for no other country was ever so ancient and so big as China. Indeed Mao’s achievement is almost beyond our comprehension".

    the Politics of Hysterics, with the Cultural Revolution in China being the most obvious case. Khmer Rouge-ism was inspired by Maoism at its zaniest (Great Leap and Cultural Revolution)
    The Great Leap was immensely ambitious, but the withdrawal of USSR technicians and engineers, combined with a doubling population left Mao few choices. It was beaten by weather, local incompetence and the US Grain Embargo. But during the Great Leap decade, the Chinese made their first car, their first truck, their first tractor, their first airplane, their first gunboat, and so on, in the late 1950s during the Great Leap Forward.
    A number of important plants were built with the help of the then Soviet Union, and began to play important roles in Chinaʼs economic life.
    Also during the Great Leap Forward, Chinese peasants built a great number of reservoirs throughout China. Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, the Danjiangkou Reservoir, Miyun Reservoir, Shisanling Reservoir, Xiashan Reservoir, Xinanjiang Reservoir, Lushui Reservoir, Xinfengjiang Reservoir, Songtao Reservoir, Shengzhong Reservoir, and Guanyinge Reservoir, nine were built during the Great Leap Forward. From 1949 to 1976, the 27 years of the Mao Era, Chinese peasants, under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman Mao, worked on 200,000 kilometers of banks of the Yellow River, Hui River, Hai River, Liao River, and so on to prevent floods. In 1949, before the Communist Party came to power, there were only 6 big reservoirs, 13 medium-sized reservoirs, and 1,200 small reservoirs in China.

    The Cultural Revolution was a successful literacy campaign that taught 400,000,000 illiterate peasants to read, write and vote. It was 'revolutionary' only because the peasants had been illiterate and voiceless for 4,000 years. Nobody was killed or injured during it, and the economy continued growing 6%-7% throughout.

    Replies: @Priss Factor, @hhsiii, @The Old Philosopher

    He taught them to vote?

  • @Marcali
    @Anymike

    I am sorry to see that you could not comprehend the satistical term of "rolled".

    Replies: @Anymike, @Anymike

    Communism prevailed in the former Russian Empire for 70 years and change. During that time, given the known human lifespan, almost everyone who was alive in 1917 would have died simply from natural causes or accidents sometime within the next 70 years. Many of the people born subsequent to 1917 would have died also from natural causes or accidents during that time.

    Attributing some large percentage of the all of the deaths that occurred during the Soviet era to the malicious actions of the regime seems unreasonable.

    You need to elaborate and perhaps explained what you mean by “rolled”.

  • @Priss Factor
    @John Johnson


    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.
    But only if communism inherited the fruits of capitalism.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced.
    As it will presumably make good use of technology created under capitalism.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    But only if communism inherited the fruits of capitalism.

    Marx called for taking over the factories and machines which of course were created by capitalism.

    But the Communist countries were supposed to outproduce the remaining capitalist countries as the capitalist system itself was viewed as inefficient because of profit. In fact the individuals of the Communist countries were supposed to reach new intellectual levels. They were basically supposed to become countries filled with geniuses since they wouldn’t be held down by capitalism. But only for some races.

    Jung is just plain wrong here and is trying to justify Marxism with hindsight. Marx never said that capitalism would outproduce Communism. He predicted the opposite would happen and Communist countries would crush the capitalist countries in every regard. It is highly utopian. He didn’t call for a violent revolution just to make some mundane worker’s state. The proletariat dictatorship was only supposed to be temporary as the workers were supposed to reach new intellectual heights and democracy would eventually exist naturally. It didn’t happen and millions died trying to create the utopian bullshit of a single German-Jew who didn’t bother to take basic economics.

  • High taxation(at over 90%) and powerful labor unions(and limited immigration) meant that capitalists couldn’t act like Jeff Bezos, Koch Brothers, and Tim Cook(the Crook).

    Those taxation rates had massive loopholes. That is how the Republicans were able to talk the Democrats into bringing down the rates. They compromised over loopholes. The wealthiest 1% in the US were not actually paying 90% income tax rates.

    The few exceptions were East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and to some extent Hungary. Unsurprisingly, communism was least bloody in those nations(though far from bloodless).

    The East Germans were simply better at making people disappear. They also had methods for making dissenters go insane and they would be shipped off to a mental ward.

    In other words, Russians were not good simply because they were Russian. Or Germans were not bad simply because they were German.

    That’s touching. Now here is an actual quote from Marx:

    . Society is undergoing a silent revolution, which must be submitted to, and which takes no more notice of the human existences it breaks down than an earthquake regards the houses it subverts. The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way

    So lower races will have to give way to higher races. What happens to them? Well whatever the higher races decide of course.

    As much as I detest communism, all of Europe would now be better off if it had come under Soviet rule after WWII.

    So you would send another 20 million people off to gulags so in your mind there would be less faggotry in the future?

    The real irony here is that you rail against Jewish power while telling us you would submit all of Europe to the mad plans of A SINGLE GERMAN-JEW. The plans that failed fucking miserably in the 1920s but you would subject Europe to his left-wing dictatorship and failed economic plans for 50 years in the belief that they won’t have gay marriage afterwards. So some dissenter is shipped off to Siberia for intellectual skepticism …. but hey…… your future offspring will be less likely to be in a society with gay marriage. Just consider that while your freeze to death in a mine.

    Can you not consider the possibility of rejecting both Communism and liberalism?

    •�Replies: @werpor
    @John Johnson

    “Can you not consider the possibility of rejecting both Communism and liberalism?” Every stick has two ends. Communism and liberalism emerged in an age of mass production. Grasping one end of the stick or the other end manifests intellectually and eventually publicly as an argument over who will control the stick. Who will get what share of the outputs of production? Wages, taxes, profits are outputs.

    Early manifestations of mass production could not have been brought into being without huge masses of capital, huge masses of labour, and huge returns on investments, i.e., profits. Returns on investment manifest as either retained earnings or dividends. Both retained earnings and dividends drive more investment. Which begets further input. Which necessitates further wages with which to pay for labour input.

    Capitalism is dynamic. And convergent. Invention is a manifestation of curiosity. Innovation is a utilitarian process. Invention began with a problem. Innovation solved it. Heating water in a confined container without a lid but instead connected to an output tube provided the escaping steam with power. Pumping water out of flooding mines solved a problem. Steam engines were large compression chambers laid on their sides, mounted on wheels. The driving wheels were turned by steam compressed to do work.

    One thing led to another. Most of the output in the age of steam depended on the output of huge steel mills. Steel for bridges, rails, engines, carriages, and later steel for building skyscrapers. Those early steel mills had as many as six thousand workers. Large masses of people were attracted to the steady wages. All this led to mass consumption and considerable discontent.

    Governments were called on to regulate. The law was called on to settle disputes. Railroads could not have been built without government. They granted land upon which to lay the track. The land provided the lenders with security upon which to justify the loans.

    Capitalism is dynamic and convergent. All together this was capitalism. People flooded to work in steel mills, engine works, pipe making factories, foundries, bridge building, track laying, and a little later to work in Fords vertically integrated factories; the eventual out, automobiles. And $5 a day wages.

    All this output necessitated new management skills and double entry bookkeeping came into its own.

    The entire thing was almost miraculous. Communism was an intellectual exercise which assumed that all this could somehow be controlled. This appealed to labour, government and bankers. These inventions and innovations led of course to applying them to building a better cannon. There is no better book than “The Arms of Krupp” by William Manchester, that I ever read, to elucidate this aspect of invention, innovation, and sheer audacious will as applied to building arms.

    In fact I can think of no better book to illustrate the difference between theory and practical output than Manchester’s story of an absolutely amazing manifestation of man’s quest for mastery, however dark the consequences.

    Now consider today:
    The Internet would never have flourished as it has if government, bankers, and the establishment could have predicted the consequences. The masses no longer exist. Certainly they do if one considers large populations as “the masses.” But certainly steel plants no longer employ 6000 labourers.

    One consequence of mass labour was the effect of using a single lever to increase output or decrease output. Central banks raise or lowered interest rates. Today the more central banks intrude on the economy by raising or lowering interest rates or government intrudes by increasing indebtedness or intrudes by lying to the public the quicker the various manifestations of the mass age will decompose.

    I doubt anyone can predict the future. But no question we are living in a future which was not predicted by Marx. Automobile assembly is an amazing just in time output made possible by invention and innovation which will only continue. The age of mass production and mass consumption and mass assemblies of soldiers “going over the top” was a stage.

    The Internet has made the obscenity of war transparent for anyone who cares to watch the unfolding madness in Ukraine. The reason NATO failed there is its assumptions are rooted in the mass age. The taxes necessary to continue driving economies by manufacturing arms is driving the U.S. into bankruptcy. Those elites are operating as though the assumptions guiding them are relevant in the Internet age. In fact most politicians could not survive anywhere else than the past. They are parodies!

    Watch TV, or read a newspaper, or listen to the radio — the MSM is a vestige of an earlier age. As often as not it is sheer entertainment eliciting from me deep guffaws! Obviously I do not live in a vacuum.

    Over the holidays I attended the annual circuit of friends and family celebrations. Gad! I’d forgotten how much things had changed since 2019. Things are not going back to the way they were. Even the New World Order stuff presumes a compliant public living exclusively in the United States, Western Europe and the old Commonwealth countries. The old guard still have the power and the levers to continue to run the West into the ground, yes they do — but they are more like dinosaurs.

    All the leaders are plants. They are hardly elected. Their foolish commentaries are scripts manufactured by the old elites’ propounding their dated views of the world. The new world is emerging and information is now common currency. Money flows towards information and runs from lies and misinformation.

    Consider this:
    Large pools of capital are finding it hard to discover suitable investments where the returns to capital are sufficient to mitigate the risk. But the new economy is a totally different form of social organization than the Mass Age. The technologies are more specific in their application. And yet more widely dispersed. There is nowhere today where cell phones have not proliferated. Information flows at the speed of light. The Mass Age meant control. The Internet Age is uncontrollable. Indeed the more governments try to control information the more information moves to jurisdictions where control does not, or cannot exist.

    Information is self regulating in the Internet Age. Either it is useful or it is not useful. Governments are bankrupt. Consumers are only limited by the hours of the day. Even then information is running in the background. Governments are being forced to abandon the old paradigms. Still they will not go quietly! Unfortunately.

    The Internet Age is neither capitalism nor communism. It has elements of both. Information is more and more in the hands of everyone. Every person is a node in the Information Age. Another important aspect of information is — it is not linear. Think about that!

    Replies: @John Johnson
  • @Director95
    Priss, I think Japan is an interesting case for this debate. Japan has a liberal democracy with a capitalist econ system - A true First World nation. But the Japanese leadership has not signed on to the globo-homo, third world immigrant parade. The Japanese take enormous pride in their identity and totally reject any attempt to replace or cancel the Japanese peoples. And the japs guard their voting rights very selfishly, as they damn well should. But the birth rate is a troublesome consideration and may open the door for the globo-homos to charge in.

    I believe some wisely crafted (fascist) laws to reward parenting while discouraging porn, queers and radical feminists could help right the ship.

    Another outlier for thought is Switzerland.

    Replies: @Priss Factor, @Anymike

    Japan has a liberal democracy with a capitalist econ system – A true First World nation. But the Japanese leadership has not signed on to the globo-homo, third world immigrant parade. The Japanese take enormous pride in their identity and totally reject any attempt to replace or cancel the Japanese peoples. And the japs guard their voting rights very selfishly, as they damn well should. But the birth rate is a troublesome consideration and may open the door for the globo-homos to charge in.

    Japan is sinking fast, like Battleship Yamato, neck and neck in national suicide with Taiwan and South Korea.

    One difference between Wasp-ruled US and Jewish-ruled US was the former wasn’t so insistent. As long as satellite countries drank coca-cola and watched Hollywood movies and did as told in foreign policy, they were left alone. Indeed, when US was Wasp-ruled, it didn’t much interfere in the ideology and culture of Europe. Wasps didn’t push the Great Replacement and globo-homo. It was the rise of Jewish Power that led to the US insisting its satellites do as the US does. (Ironically, many Europeans pursue certain Jewish agendas under the delusion that they’re besting Christo-Fascist-ultra-right America. So, Europeans were all onboard with globo-homo to show the Americans what a bunch of ‘homophobic’ tards they are. In fact, globo-homo was hatched by Jewish America and pushed all over the world. And the notion that Christo-Fascists rule America is a farce. Even Bush II’s presidency was entirely Neocon Zionist.)

    Wasp-ruled US was often dissatisfied with Japanese way of doing things, but it didn’t interfere much. In contrast, Jewish-ruled US is sticking its nose into Japan. Also, internet made it difficult for Japanese to maintain their own national culture.

    Japan has massive globo-homo parades. (Taiwan already has ‘gay marriage’.) Japan put up a half-black woman as Miss Japan. It promoted Naomi Osaka. Japanese TV is full of jungle fever, and the fact that it’s pornified country means it will spread that stuff to young ones.
    Japanese businesses, which have the most power, are calling for mass immigration, and close to 50% of Japanese are for it and welcoming the great replacement as they’ve lost faith in life, heritage, and nation.

    Japan is undergoing a quieter death, but it is dying, and in 50 yrs, it will be an entirely different country ruled by cuck-collaborators of Jews over a populace that is barely half Japanese. Mark my words. Also, many Japanese are weak of culture. When they go abroad to learn and work, they just become part of globalism and look down on Japanese values and culture as irrelevant. The essence of Japanese culture is to serve the master.

  • @John Johnson
    Thus, Marxism is less anti-capitalist than post-capitalist. Marx didn’t argue that communism is the way to build an economy. He conceded nothing beats capitalism in wealth creation, technological innovation, urbanization, and emergence of mass consciousness.

    This is incorrect.

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    "to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    Karl Marx sold Communism as utopian. It was to beat capitalism on productivity by removing the ownership class that he believed were reducing efficiency by taking a profit.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced. That is part of New Man theory.

    Also, communism didn’t favor one group over another. While most communism was nationalist, it didn’t say one nation of people was better than another nation of people.

    Communism openly favors the proletariat over everyone else.

    Karl Marx stated that not all nations are capable of Communism and supported slavery of Africans.

    “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx

    Of course you won't hear Marxists talk about any of this.

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @old coyote, @Priss Factor, @The Old Philosopher

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    But only if communism inherited the fruits of capitalism.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced.

    As it will presumably make good use of technology created under capitalism.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
    @Priss Factor


    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.
    But only if communism inherited the fruits of capitalism.

    Marx called for taking over the factories and machines which of course were created by capitalism.

    But the Communist countries were supposed to outproduce the remaining capitalist countries as the capitalist system itself was viewed as inefficient because of profit. In fact the individuals of the Communist countries were supposed to reach new intellectual levels. They were basically supposed to become countries filled with geniuses since they wouldn't be held down by capitalism. But only for some races.

    Jung is just plain wrong here and is trying to justify Marxism with hindsight. Marx never said that capitalism would outproduce Communism. He predicted the opposite would happen and Communist countries would crush the capitalist countries in every regard. It is highly utopian. He didn't call for a violent revolution just to make some mundane worker's state. The proletariat dictatorship was only supposed to be temporary as the workers were supposed to reach new intellectual heights and democracy would eventually exist naturally. It didn't happen and millions died trying to create the utopian bullshit of a single German-Jew who didn't bother to take basic economics.
  • @old coyote
    @John Johnson

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming. Others could and used 'enlightenment' lies to further a civil war in America. Slavery would have disappeared on its' own here; but the resources of the South were taken by force on behalf of jewish banksters- here and in England- using slavery as a cause for the "coming of the Lord" christcucks in the North.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming.

    Had nothing to do with that.

    Marx was not a racial egalitarian and didn’t care if Africans were enslaved.

    He didn’t believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.

    Jung is working from a modern take on Marx where his views on race and Jews are kept out of academic texts. The typical Marxist actually hasn’t read Marx.

    The race denial of the left and Anglo shaming came after Marx. It has its origins in Boas and the Frankfurt School.

    Marx and Engels believed race was real and accounted for the development differences of North and South America. But don’t take my word for it, here it is from the man himself:

    Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it? – Karl Marx, father of the left

    •�Replies: @Twin Ruler
    @John Johnson

    Wow, Karl Marx was not a Racial Egalitarian.
    , @Malla
    @John Johnson

    Marx even supported the British Empire in India, because he believed that would modernise India, and bring India from a feudal state to a Capitalist industrial State which would in the long term move India towards the path of Communism.

    He didn’t believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.
    He was right on that one. Compare post Empire Tanzania (Julius Nyerere - Ujama) with say mainland China, North Korea or Eastern Europe during the Warsaw Pact days. Or even Cuba for that matter. In Africa it all ends up into tribalism. The only things that can succeed among black Africans are tribe or at best, maybe some Islamic state.
    , @werpor
    @John Johnson

    Academic texts are very carefully manufactured within the academy by a process of rendering, much like butchering an animal renders it into unrecognizable parts. A lamb chop is not a sheep. Neither is a sheep a lamb chop. One cannot look at a sheep and see lamb chops or eat a lamb chop and see a sheep.

    The academy is like a digestive system. What comes out is not lamb chops. What went in is not lamb chops either. The academy is an artificial thing, raising tame sheep. Tame sheep are not at all like wild sheep. Tame sheep are raised to be eaten and sheared. Sheep are not alarmed when the shepherd kills one of them for his dinner. They wait patiently to be sheared. Or eaten!

    Arguing about which shepherd is better is a straw man argument. All shepherds eat lamb and shear sheep. Tame sheep follow the crowd. Shepherds depend on that. Better to be a wild sheep — the view is much better. And, there are no shepherds.
  • @hmachine1949
    Thank-you. This is an excellent contemporary defense of Communism. As a Communist, I am amazed that Communism gets lumped in with wokeism. And most Communists don't seem to be interested in pushing back against wokeism.

    I'm curious about this: "As much as I detest communism, all of Europe would now be better off if it had come under Soviet rule after WWII."

    So why detest Communism?

    Replies: @Treg, @Franz, @Marcali, @Priss Factor, @Tallest Skil, @Anon, @Slav, @Anonymous, @Robert Dolan

    Communism is jewish internationalism.

    zionism is jewish nationalism.

    Communist jews are responsible for the deaths of over one hundred million people in the 20th century.

  • Give the original source for the mussolini quote about fascism being the melding of the state and corporate power. There isn’t any.!! Its a convenient quote for latter day commies and their fellow travelers. Its similar to the one liberals trot out about Hitler and gun control. A falsification(s) for a contemporary political argument(s)

  • @Agent76
    Mar 24, 2016 America: Freedom To Fascism

    A documentary that explores the connection between income tax collection and the erosion of civil liberties in America.

    https://youtu.be/n2PzcswenxM
    
    Jan 19, 2021 Fascism: When Big Government & Big Business Work Hand-in-Hand

    Benito Mussolini said that "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." When surveying modern events, along with events over the last century, is this not the major problem that we face today?

    https://youtu.be/A1CS5ZklAtg

    Replies: @Aninymous

    Give the original source for the mussolini quote about fascism being the melding of the state and corporate power. There isn’t any.!! Its a covenient quote for latter day commies and there fellow travelers. Its similar to the one liberals trot out about Hitler and gun control. A falsification(s) for a contemporary political argument(s)

  • @Anymike
    @Observator

    The dictum "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" grows out of Karl Marx's personal early roots in Platonic idealism. The Platonic order and the Platonic concept of social justice posits that there are within the human kind different orders of people each of which has different capacities and talents and different needs in life both on a daily basis and in the longer arc.

    Under Soviet communism, it didn't work out so well though. The ordinary production worker contributed according to his unique abilities and was deemed to need a space in an overcrowded cinder block apartment resembling the worst of American public housing in that era, a good pair of boots that would last two or three years and a week in the Crimea every summer.

    The apparatchiks and nomenklatura by contrast contributed according to their ability to administrate and received according to their need for Western credit cards and annual shopping trips to Paris.

    But, that's the theory of it anyway. Our big problem worldwide is that we are living in a sewer of Aristotelian inadvertency and inconsistency. Aristotle believed that human males and human females had a different number of teeth. That's all you need to know.

    He also in his epistemological hierarchy made the definition of who stood where in the hierarchy of knowledge essentially social and therefore manipulable. How did that work out? It's all in Book I, chapter 1 of the Metaphysics. You only need to read a couple of pages to see what a bunch of rot it is.

    Replies: @old coyote

    “some animals are more equal than other animals”… Orwell.
    Aristotle did have a good take on rhetoric vs dialectic; his intuition that 80 of 100 are incapable of reason and can only be swayed with emotion seems to the basis of control for nearly all authoritarian regimes.

    •�Replies: @Anymike
    @old coyote

    You don't need Aristotle's help to come to that conclusion.
  • Priss, I think Japan is an interesting case for this debate. Japan has a liberal democracy with a capitalist econ system – A true First World nation. But the Japanese leadership has not signed on to the globo-homo, third world immigrant parade. The Japanese take enormous pride in their identity and totally reject any attempt to replace or cancel the Japanese peoples. And the japs guard their voting rights very selfishly, as they damn well should. But the birth rate is a troublesome consideration and may open the door for the globo-homos to charge in.

    I believe some wisely crafted (fascist) laws to reward parenting while discouraging porn, queers and radical feminists could help right the ship.

    Another outlier for thought is Switzerland.

    •�Replies: @Priss Factor
    @Director95


    Japan has a liberal democracy with a capitalist econ system – A true First World nation. But the Japanese leadership has not signed on to the globo-homo, third world immigrant parade. The Japanese take enormous pride in their identity and totally reject any attempt to replace or cancel the Japanese peoples. And the japs guard their voting rights very selfishly, as they damn well should. But the birth rate is a troublesome consideration and may open the door for the globo-homos to charge in.
    Japan is sinking fast, like Battleship Yamato, neck and neck in national suicide with Taiwan and South Korea.

    One difference between Wasp-ruled US and Jewish-ruled US was the former wasn't so insistent. As long as satellite countries drank coca-cola and watched Hollywood movies and did as told in foreign policy, they were left alone. Indeed, when US was Wasp-ruled, it didn't much interfere in the ideology and culture of Europe. Wasps didn't push the Great Replacement and globo-homo. It was the rise of Jewish Power that led to the US insisting its satellites do as the US does. (Ironically, many Europeans pursue certain Jewish agendas under the delusion that they're besting Christo-Fascist-ultra-right America. So, Europeans were all onboard with globo-homo to show the Americans what a bunch of 'homophobic' tards they are. In fact, globo-homo was hatched by Jewish America and pushed all over the world. And the notion that Christo-Fascists rule America is a farce. Even Bush II's presidency was entirely Neocon Zionist.)

    Wasp-ruled US was often dissatisfied with Japanese way of doing things, but it didn't interfere much. In contrast, Jewish-ruled US is sticking its nose into Japan. Also, internet made it difficult for Japanese to maintain their own national culture.

    Japan has massive globo-homo parades. (Taiwan already has 'gay marriage'.) Japan put up a half-black woman as Miss Japan. It promoted Naomi Osaka. Japanese TV is full of jungle fever, and the fact that it's pornified country means it will spread that stuff to young ones.
    Japanese businesses, which have the most power, are calling for mass immigration, and close to 50% of Japanese are for it and welcoming the great replacement as they've lost faith in life, heritage, and nation.

    Japan is undergoing a quieter death, but it is dying, and in 50 yrs, it will be an entirely different country ruled by cuck-collaborators of Jews over a populace that is barely half Japanese. Mark my words. Also, many Japanese are weak of culture. When they go abroad to learn and work, they just become part of globalism and look down on Japanese values and culture as irrelevant. The essence of Japanese culture is to serve the master.
    , @Anymike
    @Director95

    Japan's population grew rapidly between 1945 and 1990. It has been level since then hanging around above 120 million. The figure could be deceptive and partially the product of longer lifespans but Japan is by no means dying.

    Japan as an economy and a force in the world could do well with a population of maybe 90 million, if they had enough young people.
  • @John Johnson
    Thus, Marxism is less anti-capitalist than post-capitalist. Marx didn’t argue that communism is the way to build an economy. He conceded nothing beats capitalism in wealth creation, technological innovation, urbanization, and emergence of mass consciousness.

    This is incorrect.

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    "to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    Karl Marx sold Communism as utopian. It was to beat capitalism on productivity by removing the ownership class that he believed were reducing efficiency by taking a profit.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced. That is part of New Man theory.

    Also, communism didn’t favor one group over another. While most communism was nationalist, it didn’t say one nation of people was better than another nation of people.

    Communism openly favors the proletariat over everyone else.

    Karl Marx stated that not all nations are capable of Communism and supported slavery of Africans.

    “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx

    Of course you won't hear Marxists talk about any of this.

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @old coyote, @Priss Factor, @The Old Philosopher

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming. Others could and used ‘enlightenment’ lies to further a civil war in America. Slavery would have disappeared on its’ own here; but the resources of the South were taken by force on behalf of jewish banksters- here and in England- using slavery as a cause for the “coming of the Lord” christcucks in the North.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
    @old coyote

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming.

    Had nothing to do with that.

    Marx was not a racial egalitarian and didn't care if Africans were enslaved.

    He didn't believe that Africans were capable of adopting Communism.

    Jung is working from a modern take on Marx where his views on race and Jews are kept out of academic texts. The typical Marxist actually hasn't read Marx.

    The race denial of the left and Anglo shaming came after Marx. It has its origins in Boas and the Frankfurt School.

    Marx and Engels believed race was real and accounted for the development differences of North and South America. But don't take my word for it, here it is from the man himself:

    Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it? - Karl Marx, father of the left

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @Malla, @werpor
  • @Julien
    All of these systems are passe. The zionist and rothschild system of surveillance and digital biometric slavery will replace all other system. Fully autonomous AI will act as their enforcers and which will not be able to act against their masters as security features will be built into them. Remember Robocop? Robocop had a human part, these AI systems are all machine parts.

    Replies: @JM, @Anonymous, @old coyote

    All this AI surveillance misses something important: only White males are capable of tending to and running such a’big brother’ wet dream. Slavery of those fellows is the obvious method; perhaps sabotage of the machine could result- if it ever gets that far. Most of the dissident White community today has sufficient IQ and foreknowledge to understand that without electricity none of this bullshit will ever happen. As the evil geniuses discover they have de-populated the mid-wit liberals and the ignorant with their vaxx and their contrived shortages, they had best hurry off to the bunkers before the domestic terrorists come looking for the ones who murdered their grammies and their kin.

  • A couple observations. The GDR national anthem video is beautiful. Notice the clean streets, the order, the happy people, the pro-natalism and the total lack of Turks. Give me back Erich Honecker and The Wall!

    Victoria Nudelman-Kagan is getting quite chubby. She needs to cut down on her portions of European children. Leave some lil’ Hanschen for the rest of your Tribe, you glutinous yenta!

  • @John Johnson
    Thus, Marxism is less anti-capitalist than post-capitalist. Marx didn’t argue that communism is the way to build an economy. He conceded nothing beats capitalism in wealth creation, technological innovation, urbanization, and emergence of mass consciousness.

    This is incorrect.

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    "to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    Karl Marx sold Communism as utopian. It was to beat capitalism on productivity by removing the ownership class that he believed were reducing efficiency by taking a profit.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced. That is part of New Man theory.

    Also, communism didn’t favor one group over another. While most communism was nationalist, it didn’t say one nation of people was better than another nation of people.

    Communism openly favors the proletariat over everyone else.

    Karl Marx stated that not all nations are capable of Communism and supported slavery of Africans.

    “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx

    Of course you won't hear Marxists talk about any of this.

    Replies: @Twin Ruler, @old coyote, @Priss Factor, @The Old Philosopher

    And to think, today’s Marxists pretend to be against racism. The sheer hypocrisy!

  • Thus, Marxism is less anti-capitalist than post-capitalist. Marx didn’t argue that communism is the way to build an economy. He conceded nothing beats capitalism in wealth creation, technological innovation, urbanization, and emergence of mass consciousness.

    This is incorrect.

    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx

    Karl Marx sold Communism as utopian. It was to beat capitalism on productivity by removing the ownership class that he believed were reducing efficiency by taking a profit.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced. That is part of New Man theory.

    Also, communism didn’t favor one group over another. While most communism was nationalist, it didn’t say one nation of people was better than another nation of people.

    Communism openly favors the proletariat over everyone else.

    Karl Marx stated that not all nations are capable of Communism and supported slavery of Africans.

    “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx

    Of course you won’t hear Marxists talk about any of this.

    •�Replies: @Twin Ruler
    @John Johnson

    And to think, today's Marxists pretend to be against racism. The sheer hypocrisy!
    , @old coyote
    @John Johnson

    Slavery could not compete with the industrial revolution- Marx could not see that coming. Others could and used 'enlightenment' lies to further a civil war in America. Slavery would have disappeared on its' own here; but the resources of the South were taken by force on behalf of jewish banksters- here and in England- using slavery as a cause for the "coming of the Lord" christcucks in the North.

    Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Priss Factor
    @John Johnson


    Marx believed that Communism would outproduce capitalism and allow for a shorter work week.
    But only if communism inherited the fruits of capitalism.

    He also believed that Communist societies would be technologically advanced.
    As it will presumably make good use of technology created under capitalism.

    Replies: @John Johnson
    , @The Old Philosopher
    @John Johnson

    Alleges:

    In fact he describes the efficiency of Communism freeing up so much time that most of the day that engage in all kinds of activities without the capitalism specialization of capitalism:

    “to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.” Karl Marx
    Wow, have you missed the point of Marx' comment and what the authors has said about Marx's explanation of capitalism

    To c;larify, Marx's point is that after the capitalists have expanded the means of production by accumulating the product of the workers in private hands to the point that humAnITY COULD PRODUCE AND REPRODUCE THE means OF PRODUCTION AND the necessitis of life without engagining in endless toil, when those means of production were "socialized" i.e held in common by the producers who necessarily have to cooperate and coordinate their activities in the production process as a "social" process rather than operateing as individual producers, people would be able to engage in all those activties without those activities becxoming their identities.

    Replies: @John Johnson
  • @Hulkamania
    The perfect case study in the social conservatism of communism has already been given to us by Germany. One nation split between west and east, between capitalism and communism respectively. What do we see when we contrast American-capitalist west Germany with communist east Germany during the cold war?

    West Germany: rampant sexual perversion, pornography, state mandated pedophilia, mass immigration of millions of Turks and other problem ethnicities, dead culture, radical feminism.

    East Germany: family values, pornography and other sexual predation banned, immigration or miscegenation practically non-existent, preservation of German culture and traditions.

    The difference was stark, with East Germany obviously being far more socially conservative. Of course, American conservatives prefer west Germany because American conservatives tend to be dick chugging sodomites who like having the "freedom" to pimp their daughters out to pornographers or give them away in marriage to Deshaun from the hood (as long as he promises to vote for Trump).

    Replies: @Twin Ruler

    What you said of East Germany, I might add, could also have been said for Nazi Germany!

  • @Desert Fox
    America has been under communist control since 1913 , when the zionists/communists saddled America with their privately owned central bank , the FED and their collection agency, the IRS, 2 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, and then came the wars, and deaths, and debt , all for the profit of the zionist communist bankster kabal.

    Zionists are destroyers of Christians and nations and humanity and they are destroying America.

    Replies: @Chuck Orloski

    Thanks again, Desert Fox! Below, perhaps you’re aware?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Russia

  • The length, breadth and shallowness of this work detracts from it’s effectualness in altering the perception of any would be reader.

    Learn to murder your children “your conceptions”, Cut the throats and dash the heads of your preciouses darlings against the stones become brutal…

    Once you have murderlized your children stew in the slaughter and contemplate earnestly if they where ever really your children at all or just the figments of another mind foisted upon you like birds laying their parasitic eggs in another’s nests…

  • Anonymous[380] •�Disclaimer says:
    @hmachine1949
    Thank-you. This is an excellent contemporary defense of Communism. As a Communist, I am amazed that Communism gets lumped in with wokeism. And most Communists don't seem to be interested in pushing back against wokeism.

    I'm curious about this: "As much as I detest communism, all of Europe would now be better off if it had come under Soviet rule after WWII."

    So why detest Communism?

    Replies: @Treg, @Franz, @Marcali, @Priss Factor, @Tallest Skil, @Anon, @Slav, @Anonymous, @Robert Dolan

    I damn sure agree with you, only I would limit it to socialism and not communism. Communism is just too much about “sharing everything” – some people are lazy and worthless and willing to just put their hand out. Socialism expects everyone to do their share.
    A good example of socialism is today’s China.
    I still agree that given communism or Jewish capitalism (treat the working class like serfs), communism is actually better for the nation as a whole.

  • @Anymike
    @Marcali

    This adds up to about 225,000,000 dead in about 70 years. Seriously, the Soviet women of childbearing age must all have been constantly pregnant to make up for these staggering losses, the ones who weren't themselves dead of course. How did the Soviet Union rebuild after World War II and for decades thereafter compete with the West in the space race and in military power with everybody dead? How did they defeat the Wehrmacht with everybody dead?

    I think there is something wrong with these numbers. You know. You know.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Hulkamania, @Wokechoke, @Marcali

    I am sorry to see that you could not comprehend the satistical term of “rolled”.

    •�Replies: @Anymike
    @Marcali

    Communism prevailed in the former Russian Empire for 70 years and change. During that time, given the known human lifespan, almost everyone who was alive in 1917 would have died simply from natural causes or accidents sometime within the next 70 years. Many of the people born subsequent to 1917 would have died also from natural causes or accidents during that time.

    Attributing some large percentage of the all of the deaths that occurred during the Soviet era to the malicious actions of the regime seems unreasonable.

    You need to elaborate and perhaps explained what you mean by "rolled".
    , @Anymike
    @Marcali

    On further review, the correct term would be "cumulative". "Rolled" as you use it to stand in for "cumulative" is jargon or a slang term, at least in this context.

    The 61,000,000 killed figure might not be accurate. Adult men of productive years undoubtedly would have to represent some large proportion of that number. If the Soviet regime killed off that many of the inherently most productive group within society, how did the regime build up industry, fight and win massive a war and then compete with the United States in world power for the next four decades?

    There may be an answer, but we need to know what it is.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Marcali
  • @Marcali
    @hmachine1949

    Why detest? For this for example:

    The genocide and mass murder of the Soviet Communists (rolled):

    The Civil War period till 1922: 3,284,000
    The NEP period till 1928: 5,484,000
    The collectivization period till 1935: 16,924,000
    The Great Terror period till 1938: 21,269,000
    Pre-World War II period till June 1941:26,373,000
    World War II period till 1945: 39,426,000
    Postwar and Stalin’s twilight till 1953: 55,039,000
    Post-Stalin period till 1987: 61,911,000
    (R. J. Rummel: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917, Transaction Publisher, 1990.)
    It can be seen for instance, that before Hitler got into power at all in 1933, the Bolsheviks had murdered or otherwise eliminated about 12,000,000 human beings.

    Replies: @Anymike, @Commentator Mike

    I am not convinced. Here’s an illustration of Russia’s population since 1897.

    Other than WWII and the Civil War there have been no major drops in population numbers, and perhaps a couple of million during a year of hunger. If anything it is capitalism which is killing off the Russians as made clear at the top of the graph.

    •�Replies: @Marcali
    @Commentator Mike

    Why don't you continue the trend line that has the first break in it, marking the beginning of WW 1 at 1914?

    Replies: @Commentator Mike
  • JM says:
    @MikeAmbrozi
    This man condradicts himself every 2 phrases and has almost no knowledge of Eastern European history, what a joke of an article.

    Replies: @JM

    Yes, apart from some semi-original insights, its scattered assertions are all over the place like a mad woman’s breakfast.

    The basic insight, that Russian based Communism was less of a threat to the rich cultures of European nations than that of the frantically subverted American was made in the immediate Post-War period by the American fascist, Francis Parker Yokey. In this, I’m certain he was right.

  • America has been under communist control since 1913 , when the zionists/communists saddled America with their privately owned central bank , the FED and their collection agency, the IRS, 2 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, and then came the wars, and deaths, and debt , all for the profit of the zionist communist bankster kabal.

    Zionists are destroyers of Christians and nations and humanity and they are destroying America.

    •�Agree: Robert Dolan, werpor
    •�Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    @Desert Fox

    Thanks again, Desert Fox! Below, perhaps you're aware?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Russia
  • I… RoboMoralFascist 1st… approve this message.<(:-)

  • @Malla
    Communist regimes in Eastern Europe and East Asia became progressively nationalist with time. The early Soviet Union was far more Jewish and Trotskyite and promiscuity, ugly modern art and all that was pushed on the conservative populations of the Russian Empire via shock therapy. Thanks to this forced promiscuity, the early USSR was filled with bastard children which became a major headache for the state. Stalin's rise saw the liquidation of the early Commies and slowly with time, this Judaic globohomo shit was replaced by the conservative Social Realism movement. The USSR and Warsaw Pact World became less Jewish with time and thus more conservative and traditional as time went on. It is as if, ironically, the later USSR and Warsaw pact world became the successors of the Third Reich and Fascist Italy.
    The West charted the opposite course, Marx's crackpot predictions of the Industrialised nations of the West collapsing with a revolution of the proletariat having failed, some Marxists, instead of getting some sense and abandoning Marxism, tried to theorise the reasons for this disappointment. One thing they noticed was that many of these nations had colonies. Chachang, thus was birthed the false and idiotic but highly addictive West "looted" the colonies theory. The truth was that most European Empires and the Japanese Empires were actually losing money on the colonies. These were advanced populations having backward populations (feudal backward like Indians/ Indonesians/ Arabs etc.. or outright primitive backward like Sub Saharan Africans) in their Empires. This was also true of Tzarist Russian Empire in Central Asia, losing money. And guess what this was true of the USSR as well, where the European SFSRs like Russia, Ukraine, Estonia etc.. were losing money for the upkeep of Central Asian SFSRs like Tajikistan. After decolonisation, the people in the colonies thought that since the "exploitation and looting" has stopped they would all magically become rich and Europe poor. LOL, actually the opposite happened, Europe became relatively richer than the Third world after decolonisation. Instead of abandoning this "Europe looted the Global South" nonsense and having a more critical analysis of their own populations, culture etc.... they (leftards and Third World nats) came up with the new concept of "neo-colonialism". And the madness never stops.
    The other development from the failure of crackpot Marx's prediction of the collapse of industrialised capitalist societies was a new form of attack on the West. On the culture of the West, that is, the belief that the traditional culture of the West had somehow prevented the collapse as envisioned by the nutcase Marx. And thus was born Cultural Marxism (as against traditional economic Marxism).
    Soon Western civilization was to be attacked in the media and academia, traditional Western notions of race, behaviour, morality, mannerisms, gender, religion etc...to be continuously attacked. For racial struggle to replace class struggle. Since the standard of living of White Working class people improved after WW2 (and in Germany with the rise of the National Socialists), the chance of a revolution was now low, so now race, gender, sexuality etc...was to be used instead of class struggle. Soon the White Working class was dumped by the left. The left is crazy to gain power and it will use (and throw away) anything or everything to gain POWER.

    Thus Eastern Europe and Western Europe went in two opposite trajectory with time, while the East faced globo-homo shock therapy at the start, it went towards more social conservatism while Western Europe and the Anglo world went towards slow Cultural Marxist globo-homo.

    Replies: @Miro23

    Thanks. That’s a fine summary. The Marxist/ Cultural Marxist distortion of reality with regard to British India is something to see.

    •�Thanks: Malla
  • @Priss Factor
    @hmachine1949


    So why detest Communism?
    Because it was overly simple in its conceptualization of human nature and economics.
    The fact that communism lost ideologically in peace-time goes to show it wasn't viable in the long run. China moved away from Maoism, and Russia settled for quasi-fascism after failures with both communism and gangster-globalist-capitalism.

    Fascism, or neo-fascism shorn of the flaws of the Italian and German varieties, has proven to be the superior way, even to so-called 'liberal capitalism'.

    Fascism combines socialism with capitalism and stakes them on nationalism. It adopts futurism and change but is rooted in heritage and culture. Thus, it is the most balanced ideology.
    Communism was ultimately another form of monotheism: Karl Marx is god, his truth is the one and only truth, and it's all about class struggle and equality.
    Fascism was neo-pagan in acknowledging the various forces at work, all of them legitimate in their own way. Monotheism says there's only one god and all other gods are false. In contrast, the pagan view is there are many gods/forces, and while some are more important than others, they all play key roles in the larger whole. Communism's monotheism insisted on radical socialism and had an ideological allergy to market economics. It championed revolution and heaped abuse on the past.
    In contrast, fascism accepted facets of both capitalism and communism. It accepted modernity but also venerated past and history, which wasn't simply reduced to a Hegelian process whereby its only function was to lead to a narrow view of utopia.

    Fascism failed by overly emulating the Imperialist Capitalist West. Mussolini shouldn't have emulated the UK and France in taking chunks of Africa, and Hitler would have done better to stick with German nationalism than go for the Greater Germanic Empire, especially to match Anglo Imperial Power.

    Replies: @Malla, @Wokechoke

    Video Link

    Marxism and Communism was a trendy western fad. Just another bunch of Goys following a novel Jewish Guru.

    bring on the Bear!

  • @Anymike
    @Marcali

    This adds up to about 225,000,000 dead in about 70 years. Seriously, the Soviet women of childbearing age must all have been constantly pregnant to make up for these staggering losses, the ones who weren't themselves dead of course. How did the Soviet Union rebuild after World War II and for decades thereafter compete with the West in the space race and in military power with everybody dead? How did they defeat the Wehrmacht with everybody dead?

    I think there is something wrong with these numbers. You know. You know.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Hulkamania, @Wokechoke, @Marcali

    Soviet casualties in ww2 are much overblown. Stalin’s death count likewise.

    •�Agree: Zane
  • Mar 24, 2016 America: Freedom To Fascism

    A documentary that explores the connection between income tax collection and the erosion of civil liberties in America.

    https://youtu.be/n2PzcswenxM

    Video Link
    
    Jan 19, 2021 Fascism: When Big Government & Big Business Work Hand-in-Hand

    Benito Mussolini said that “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.” When surveying modern events, along with events over the last century, is this not the major problem that we face today?


    Video Link

    •�Replies: @Aninymous
    @Agent76

    Give the original source for the mussolini quote about fascism being the melding of the state and corporate power. There isn't any.!! Its a covenient quote for latter day commies and there fellow travelers. Its similar to the one liberals trot out about Hitler and gun control. A falsification(s) for a contemporary political argument(s)
  • Anonymous[237] •�Disclaimer says:

    Karl Marx is a God. Thank God for the Soviet Union. Thank God for China. Thank God for Vietnam. Thank God for Cuba. Because God certainly isn’t a Christian. Our planet’s hope can only be communism and the end of the super filthy rich 13 Illuminati families (most of whom are Christian not Jewish) who destroyed the USA turning it into a Nazi death camp to impose this ideology on the planet via endless wars with the billionaire Illuminati minions under them like the Waltons, Gates…et cetera….it was the Illuminati who started the Cold War against communism because communism wants to destroy their evil fascist capitalist totalitarian power…NATO and the new Cold War via Ukraine, Syria, Yemen….communism will win because a combined China, India (forget Quad), Iran, Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan will eventually join together via SCO and BRICS to finally crush this evil western insanity…..communism is the only just future for our planet…globo homo communists supporting China, North Korea….the gay rights movement of early activists always supported communism……how can communism be patriarchal when women bus drivers and women labourers everywhere in communist countries…..feminism, true feminism, is communist….but the right wing lunatics carp on endlessly saying they are the enemy of communism…what trash…Godfrey Roberts’ comments are easily the most informed and accurate in these comments here so thank you Godfrey.

  • The perfect case study in the social conservatism of communism has already been given to us by Germany. One nation split between west and east, between capitalism and communism respectively. What do we see when we contrast American-capitalist west Germany with communist east Germany during the cold war?

    West Germany: rampant sexual perversion, pornography, state mandated pedophilia, mass immigration of millions of Turks and other problem ethnicities, dead culture, radical feminism.

    East Germany: family values, pornography and other sexual predation banned, immigration or miscegenation practically non-existent, preservation of German culture and traditions.

    The difference was stark, with East Germany obviously being far more socially conservative. Of course, American conservatives prefer west Germany because American conservatives tend to be dick chugging sodomites who like having the “freedom” to pimp their daughters out to pornographers or give them away in marriage to Deshaun from the hood (as long as he promises to vote for Trump).

    •�Replies: @Twin Ruler
    @Hulkamania

    What you said of East Germany, I might add, could also have been said for Nazi Germany!
  • @Malla
    @Slav


    This applies only the ones from imperialist countries who are no communists, they are mostly social fascists.
    Nope, they consider themselves Marxists.

    Replies: @Slav

    They are not Leninist, they don’t understand their own parasitic position in the world imperialist system.

    •�Replies: @Malla
    @Slav


    They are not Leninist, they don’t understand their own parasitic position in the world imperialist system.
    They (baizuos) are a different type of Marxists, different evolution. They keep on blaming the West for being parasitic and they are very pro-Third World. They are Cultural Marxists. A big chunk of the Marxists in the West evolved in a different direction than the Warsaw pact World.
  • Ever hear of DaSynagogue of Satan?

    https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2022/12/satans-wars-christians-killing.html?m=0
    Starting with the Civil War and adding both World Wars I and II, total military deaths alone easily total at least 40 million…and civilian fatalities further extend the human loss of life beyond 100 million – not counting millions more disabled.

    What do these major wars have in common?

    All three were wars between national cultures which were Christian!
    “You and him go fight!”

    Read the rest at link above!

  • @Anymike
    @Marcali

    This adds up to about 225,000,000 dead in about 70 years. Seriously, the Soviet women of childbearing age must all have been constantly pregnant to make up for these staggering losses, the ones who weren't themselves dead of course. How did the Soviet Union rebuild after World War II and for decades thereafter compete with the West in the space race and in military power with everybody dead? How did they defeat the Wehrmacht with everybody dead?

    I think there is something wrong with these numbers. You know. You know.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Hulkamania, @Wokechoke, @Marcali

    Most of these “X billion people died from communism!” claims all come from CIA propaganda like “Black Book of Communism.” They have no relation to reality.

    •�Replies: @Marcali
    @Hulkamania

    So the USA is wallowing in the crimes of its Holy Ally. Remarkable observation.
  • @Slav
    @hmachine1949

    "And most Communists don’t seem to be interested in pushing back against wokeism."

    This applies only the ones from imperialist countries who are no communists, they are mostly social fascists.

    Replies: @Malla

    This applies only the ones from imperialist countries who are no communists, they are mostly social fascists.

    Nope, they consider themselves Marxists.

    •�Replies: @Slav
    @Malla

    They are not Leninist, they don't understand their own parasitic position in the world imperialist system.

    Replies: @Malla
  • ~ can’t stop looking at first phot, think should save link, copy image, put where see it, keep in pocket, car, bathrm, bedrm. can strengthen thinking doing that, restore mind energy. Such good eye JF. Image reminds strong energy, beauty in strong energy.
    .

  • @Brad Anbro
    Quote:

    But you can’t really cover from most your population being replaced by Blacks and Arabs, as is the case in Mälmo.

    Excuse me. The spelling is Malmö.

    Thank you.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    It’s going to be spelled Malmöhammed soon.

  • Anonymous[408] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Julien
    All of these systems are passe. The zionist and rothschild system of surveillance and digital biometric slavery will replace all other system. Fully autonomous AI will act as their enforcers and which will not be able to act against their masters as security features will be built into them. Remember Robocop? Robocop had a human part, these AI systems are all machine parts.

    Replies: @JM, @Anonymous, @old coyote

    There is but one thing which allows the zionist and rothschild [Z&R] owned human control algorithm to work. That something is the law making power of the international nation state (INS) system. The INS system consist of a set of structures which divide the total area of the world into segments, and the segments divide the global humanity into manageable sized units and the units permit the Z&R to monitor and control the behaviors of all that is within.
    A recent advance in the control system is the algorithm ( a data intensive math modelling technique). As algorithms mature, they need more accurate data, they need data collected in real time, and they need to be able to adjust their output (feedback monitoring and feed forward control ) in faster and faster ways, but no matter the maturity of the algorithm, its purpose is to monitor and control human behavior and human thought processes.

    In order for the technology implicit in the algorithms to produce accurate outputs, it must be feed [input] highly accurate and completely up to date data. Data needed to make the high technology algorithms to work comes from surveillance activity which can be enhanced by technology, including bio metrics.

    So who owns the technology that collects the data and who owns the algorithms that control the behaviors of all humanity? Do the Z&R clans own both the technologies and the exclusive rights to the control algorithms? Answer yes.

    So how is this exclusive ownership accomplished? Monopoly powers are exclusive to the governments (nation states) unless the nation state separates extracts 1 or more of its monopoly powers and give that extracted monopoly power to a non government interest (i.e. the oligarch and his or her corporation) no monopoly power can exist in a private or non government person or entity. Copyright, patents, deeds, and government contracts, etc. are examples of monopoly powers that have been extracted and given [by rule of law enacted by government] to the non human organizations(NHOs) and to private individuals (Oligarchs]. Many of the NHOs are owned or controlled by members of the Z&R clans, many recipients are are human Oligarchs. So how does these copyright, patents, deeds, and the like get into private hands? IOWs how are these gifts of government to non governments given?

    ok, so the power of the nation state to rule by law, allows the nation state government to write laws that convey ownership of parts of powers of government to private individuals or NHOs.

    Government is nothing but a collection of monopoly powers. When the government separates its monopoly powers into individual parts and doles out the parts of government to NGO or private interest someone becomes the owner of a part of government. I think you will see the Z&R types are owners of most of the parts of governments [monopoly powers] that have been privatized.

    My question is how will humanity defend itself against secure, fully autonomous non human algorithmic enhanced AI technology behavioral enforcement if that technology is exclusively owned by the oligarchs and their non-human organizations? What steps can be taken . I propose that all laws that allow governments to partition its powers into part and to dole out those partitions to Non Human Organizations or to private individuals be rescinded and a constitutional amendment be made to make private or non human ownership of monopoly powers off limits to all but elected government.

  • One day, the Blacks will realize that the Jews are only using them. Kanye West is waking people up.

  • Communism is nothing more than the executive branch of Talmudism. I’ll pass on that, thank you.

    •�Agree: Robert Dolan
  • Oh, and by the way, I seriously doubt that German Americans really are the largest reported Ethnic Group in America. That claim is, obviously, an example of the Big Lie Technique, if ever there was!

  • I used to be like most other people. I used to feel sad about the deaths of Anne Frank and the rest of the Six Million Jews who, supposedly, died in what is termed The Holocaust. One day, I began to wonder: what about all of Stalin’s victims (and for that matter Mao’s)? That was when I had my major ideological epiphany! In a word, “Goyim”. Most of Stalin’s (and Mao’s) victims were Goyim, rather than Jews. And, that is precisely why what happened to Stalin’s and Mao’s victims are relatively down played.

    And notice, they say that The Holocaust was “Uniquely Evil”. And if (((they))) call it that, what to they call the very similar atrocities carried out by The Communists? Kosher Slaughter? But, seriously, I am inclined to think that when (((they))) say The Holocaust is “Uniquely Evil”, they mean to imply that they believe that the German people are “Uniquely Evil”– every single German man, woman, and child.

    It all goes back to the distinction, made in the Talmud, between the Jews, as The Chosen People, and the Goyim, as mere Cattle in Human form. Ergo, all those Holocaust movies reveal as much about the racism of The Jews, as ever they do about the Nazis. What makes it all the more sickening to me is this: for the exact same reason “Americans” condemn The Holocaust, they condone, even praise, everything that the Jews, in their turn, are carrying out against The Palestinian Arabs. Goldhagen, in his “Hitler’s Willing Executioners”, does not even mention Soviet atrocities against the Russian population at all.

    Now, in order to understand how The Jews perceive The Holocaust, imagine this scenario. There is a farm, wherein the cattle round up the farmer, his family, and all their farm hands, rather than the other way about. Now, most people, being people, would perceive that as, somehow, Supernaturally evil. That the cattle, in that case, rose above their Station in the Great Chain of Being! Jews are merely sore that someone decided to do to them what they love to do to other people.

    •�Replies: @Zane
    @Twin Ruler

    There was no " Holocaust ". It's a lie.

    Replies: @Twin Ruler
  • @Treg
    @hmachine1949

    Start with The Black Book of Communism.

    https://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087/ref=sr_1_1?crid=62OK71IY1UOB&keywords=the+black+book+of+communism&qid=1673554208&sprefix=black+book+of+communism+paperback%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc

    Replies: @Slav

    Collection of lies.

  • @hmachine1949
    Thank-you. This is an excellent contemporary defense of Communism. As a Communist, I am amazed that Communism gets lumped in with wokeism. And most Communists don't seem to be interested in pushing back against wokeism.

    I'm curious about this: "As much as I detest communism, all of Europe would now be better off if it had come under Soviet rule after WWII."

    So why detest Communism?

    Replies: @Treg, @Franz, @Marcali, @Priss Factor, @Tallest Skil, @Anon, @Slav, @Anonymous, @Robert Dolan

    “And most Communists don’t seem to be interested in pushing back against wokeism.”

    This applies only the ones from imperialist countries who are no communists, they are mostly social fascists.

    •�Replies: @Malla
    @Slav


    This applies only the ones from imperialist countries who are no communists, they are mostly social fascists.
    Nope, they consider themselves Marxists.

    Replies: @Slav
  • One cannot know about the truth of life in the USSR without the Ushanka Show.
    https://www.youtube.com/@UshankaShow/featured
    Strange (or not strange) that leftist Youtube does not like his channel. Youtube does not like a person born as a Soviet, “spilling the beans” so to speak, on the USSR.

    Video LinkThe Truth About Soviet “Free” Housing. Part 1

    Video LinkWhat Was Wrong With The USSR Back In 1982? The Death Of Brezhnev

    Video LinkWas The USSR a Great Place for the Lazy and Poor?

    •�Thanks: Agent76
  • @Priss Factor
    @hmachine1949


    So why detest Communism?
    Because it was overly simple in its conceptualization of human nature and economics.
    The fact that communism lost ideologically in peace-time goes to show it wasn't viable in the long run. China moved away from Maoism, and Russia settled for quasi-fascism after failures with both communism and gangster-globalist-capitalism.

    Fascism, or neo-fascism shorn of the flaws of the Italian and German varieties, has proven to be the superior way, even to so-called 'liberal capitalism'.

    Fascism combines socialism with capitalism and stakes them on nationalism. It adopts futurism and change but is rooted in heritage and culture. Thus, it is the most balanced ideology.
    Communism was ultimately another form of monotheism: Karl Marx is god, his truth is the one and only truth, and it's all about class struggle and equality.
    Fascism was neo-pagan in acknowledging the various forces at work, all of them legitimate in their own way. Monotheism says there's only one god and all other gods are false. In contrast, the pagan view is there are many gods/forces, and while some are more important than others, they all play key roles in the larger whole. Communism's monotheism insisted on radical socialism and had an ideological allergy to market economics. It championed revolution and heaped abuse on the past.
    In contrast, fascism accepted facets of both capitalism and communism. It accepted modernity but also venerated past and history, which wasn't simply reduced to a Hegelian process whereby its only function was to lead to a narrow view of utopia.

    Fascism failed by overly emulating the Imperialist Capitalist West. Mussolini shouldn't have emulated the UK and France in taking chunks of Africa, and Hitler would have done better to stick with German nationalism than go for the Greater Germanic Empire, especially to match Anglo Imperial Power.

    Replies: @Malla, @Wokechoke

    monotheism: Karl Marx is god, his truth is the one and only truth, and it’s all about class struggle and equality.

    Karl Marx is treated more like a prophet, and just like other globalist ideologies like Christianity and Islam, it wants to spread around the world and spare no human. No human in theory has an option to avoid it.
    And just like other religions who have believers and heathens, believers and kaffirs, Marxism has an outside enemy too. It has various sects, heretics and “people of the devil” who must be annihilated. Religion many be the opium of the masses, Marxism is outright heroin.

  • @Nonky Wonky Nong
    Which is worse, witchcraft or nazism? Is a narrow moustache more evil than a pointed hat? Why? Will my career be destroyed if I don't bend my arm at the elbow when waving? Nazi salute? Are you sure?

    Are modern religions and their treatment of straight-armed heretics better than older ones?

    Replies: @Twin Ruler

    Accusations of racism are eerily like accusations of witchcraft, come to think of it. Non-Whites, it would seem, attribute magical powers to Whites!

  • Turn up the dial and let’s return to actual communism, yes, the successful and prospering communism (or rather socialism) that is being practiced in China and Vietnam!

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  • This man condradicts himself every 2 phrases and has almost no knowledge of Eastern European history, what a joke of an article.

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    @MikeAmbrozi

    Yes, apart from some semi-original insights, its scattered assertions are all over the place like a mad woman's breakfast.

    The basic insight, that Russian based Communism was less of a threat to the rich cultures of European nations than that of the frantically subverted American was made in the immediate Post-War period by the American fascist, Francis Parker Yokey. In this, I'm certain he was right.
  • @Carlton Meyer

    In the case of Vietnam, the US aided the French against the Viet Minh after World War II, convincing the Vietnamese communist-patriots that the Americans were a case of ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9BM8OTSB0

    Replies: @JM

    I have no illusions about the Chinese, but am glad they too are strong nationalists. The Indo-China Communists were never a threat except to those who wanted a monopoly control and ownership of their national resources and who saw their heroic fight for true sovereignty as an inspiration to others.

    Both of those you listed are great interviews:

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  • The decadence and decline you see here in the U.S. is due to the corroding effect on morals of the inherited wealth passed down from an earlier era of free market capitalism which encouraged people to work hard by letting them keep the fruits of their labor. You see the same thing in individual families where those who inherit great wealth often lead debauched lifestyles.

    You can prevent this by adopting an unworkable economic system like Marxism that keeps everyone poor, but this is likely a cure worse than the disease. History tends to go in cycles where a country becomes wealthy, stops doing the things that made it wealthy, and then goes into decline. After it hits bottom the process often starts over again. I’m a long-term optimist and I think the U.S. will eventually reverse its decline but the next 20 or 30 years will probably be quite rough.

  • The article does no do explain anything. Read Andre Vltchek to find out what communism is, not this.

  • Conservative Spirit of Communism

    Thank you for putting this one up top, Mr. Unz. By doing this, you show that you are truly fair in supporting free speech by the wise and deeply stupid alike.

    This one goes along the lines of the latter, as 2 to 3 1/2 generations of experience of misery living under Communism has apparently not been investigated by Mr. Young Fraud. He coulda’ just talked to a coupla people about it ….

    I am glad I am not missing anything smart or wise from this newer writer on your blog. After this, I couldn’t trust a word out of him.

  • Communist regimes in Eastern Europe and East Asia became progressively nationalist with time. The early Soviet Union was far more Jewish and Trotskyite and promiscuity, ugly modern art and all that was pushed on the conservative populations of the Russian Empire via shock therapy. Thanks to this forced promiscuity, the early USSR was filled with bastard children which became a major headache for the state. Stalin’s rise saw the liquidation of the early Commies and slowly with time, this Judaic globohomo shit was replaced by the conservative Social Realism movement. The USSR and Warsaw Pact World became less Jewish with time and thus more conservative and traditional as time went on. It is as if, ironically, the later USSR and Warsaw pact world became the successors of the Third Reich and Fascist Italy.
    The West charted the opposite course, Marx’s crackpot predictions of the Industrialised nations of the West collapsing with a revolution of the proletariat having failed, some Marxists, instead of getting some sense and abandoning Marxism, tried to theorise the reasons for this disappointment. One thing they noticed was that many of these nations had colonies. Chachang, thus was birthed the false and idiotic but highly addictive West “looted” the colonies theory. The truth was that most European Empires and the Japanese Empires were actually losing money on the colonies. These were advanced populations having backward populations (feudal backward like Indians/ Indonesians/ Arabs etc.. or outright primitive backward like Sub Saharan Africans) in their Empires. This was also true of Tzarist Russian Empire in Central Asia, losing money. And guess what this was true of the USSR as well, where the European SFSRs like Russia, Ukraine, Estonia etc.. were losing money for the upkeep of Central Asian SFSRs like Tajikistan. After decolonisation, the people in the colonies thought that since the “exploitation and looting” has stopped they would all magically become rich and Europe poor. LOL, actually the opposite happened, Europe became relatively richer than the Third world after decolonisation. Instead of abandoning this “Europe looted the Global South” nonsense and having a more critical analysis of their own populations, culture etc…. they (leftards and Third World nats) came up with the new concept of “neo-colonialism”. And the madness never stops.
    The other development from the failure of crackpot Marx’s prediction of the collapse of industrialised capitalist societies was a new form of attack on the West. On the culture of the West, that is, the belief that the traditional culture of the West had somehow prevented the collapse as envisioned by the nutcase Marx. And thus was born Cultural Marxism (as against traditional economic Marxism).
    Soon Western civilization was to be attacked in the media and academia, traditional Western notions of race, behaviour, morality, mannerisms, gender, religion etc…to be continuously attacked. For racial struggle to replace class struggle. Since the standard of living of White Working class people improved after WW2 (and in Germany with the rise of the National Socialists), the chance of a revolution was now low, so now race, gender, sexuality etc…was to be used instead of class struggle. Soon the White Working class was dumped by the left. The left is crazy to gain power and it will use (and throw away) anything or everything to gain POWER.

    Thus Eastern Europe and Western Europe went in two opposite trajectory with time, while the East faced globo-homo shock therapy at the start, it went towards more social conservatism while Western Europe and the Anglo world went towards slow Cultural Marxist globo-homo.

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    @Malla

    Thanks. That's a fine summary. The Marxist/ Cultural Marxist distortion of reality with regard to British India is something to see.
  • @Anymike
    @Marcali

    This adds up to about 225,000,000 dead in about 70 years. Seriously, the Soviet women of childbearing age must all have been constantly pregnant to make up for these staggering losses, the ones who weren't themselves dead of course. How did the Soviet Union rebuild after World War II and for decades thereafter compete with the West in the space race and in military power with everybody dead? How did they defeat the Wehrmacht with everybody dead?

    I think there is something wrong with these numbers. You know. You know.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Hulkamania, @Wokechoke, @Marcali

    I think there is something wrong with these numbers. You know. You know.

    I believe those are cumulative numbers with the final total being 61,911,000.

    •�Replies: @Anymike
    @Mark G.

    That is correct. I figured it out eventually. People should not use jargon. Another thing I detest is acronyms other people cannot be expected to know.