David Irving’s “racist ditty” (extemporarily enunciated to his then-nine-year-old daughter while out on a walk):

I am a Baby Aryan,
Not Jewish or Sectarian.
I have no plans to marry-an
Ape or Rastafarian

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/feb/03/irving

How is it possible at this point to be unaware of the effects that the so-called covid vaccines have had on millions of people? Talk about lunacy.

On Hitler – idk, but I also identify usury as the root cause of problems in the world. A solution to that problem is always welcome on my end.

As for covid shots, before the more technical data was available I already had the dead babies defense. Before mRNA during the first news of covid I played it safe – they had me unsure enough that I was sanitizing my grocery items. It took me about two weeks to notice the first big red flag of what turned out to be…. Red flag city. (first little red flag was actually the very beginning with news out of China depicting folks dropping dead on the street LOL)

On the street level in NZ the damage done by our particular batch of mRNA shots is obvious. Knock on any door and the occupants all know someone in their 40s that died within a week or so after a dose. Not to mention the (((vaccinated))) keep getting sick all the time.

My first cousin 40ish – lived a perfect life, did everything right, took the shots cos her job…. And now she has a cancer which grew aggressively and all of sudden. Basically every group of people I know – roughly 20% seem to have developed some kind of condition post genetic modification.

Meanwhile all the black sheep of the family didn’t get the shot and their health has remained normal. I caught a couple of strange colds but haven’t been sick again nearly a couple years now. I tricked my doctor into prescribing ivermectin for ‘parasites’ which I consumed during my last cold.

You ridicule people as “lunatic anti -vaxxers” and censor discussion on the subject.

You’re a stone thrower just like the rest of us– just more thin skinned. LOL

I don’t know this, but I suspect Kevin moderates his own column. I want to believe he won’t censor me on this one (or ever)

Back in late 2022 / early 2023, I posted (i) in a reply to Kevin Barrett on a Ron Unz article thread and (ii) under KB’s own column some comments that merely noted the surreptitious deletion of several of mine by RU. I did so to refute assertions that this didn’t happen on TUR, including this fawning by KB himself:

God willing we will outlast the censors and dance on their graves.

They, too, were censored.

Things have since improved in my experience, so it will be interesting to see if this comment is allowed and/or whether either man will clarify and take responsibility.

Strangely enough, America’s enemies have always been and continue to be countries and people who pose no threat of any kind.

And in the spirit of encapsulation – I go on to theorize that the gut shot was also secretly about Hitler and how you promote Hitler sometimes.

Can you elaborate on that? How is the gut shot related to Hitler?

In any case, Hitler does not need to be promoted by anyone, least of all me.
Any objective reading of WWII history will demonstrate emphatically that Hitler’s Third Reich was working to unshackle the world from debt usury and indentured servitude to the Zionist Cartel of Bankers, that shadowy group of Jewish financiers that control the entirety of the western financial system.

We all owe Germany a debt of gratitude for their valiant efforts in both WWI & II in standing up to the Vampire Squid and sacrificing so much, so that we may all be free one day.
Their efforts have not been in vain. They have a established a template for the citizenry of the world to follow and future history books will bestow the appropriate accolades that they so richly deserve.

Meanwhile, the collateral damage from the Covid clot shots continues to build up.
I don’t know for sure whether these deaths of young men*in the links below are Covid vaxx related, but it’s all mighty suspicious:

(*These are just two among countless examples I’ve encountered in recent years, of young healthy individuals that died from heart attacks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelaziz_Barrada

https://celebrity.nine.com.au/latest/mike-heslin-death-lioness-actor-aged-30/5e8d97d9-91f0-45ac-a495-d65cb0847bf1

In the first of the two links above, a professional footballer dies of a HEART ATTACK aged 35.
In the second link, we have someone aged 30 dying from ‘an unexpected cardiac event’.

From the second article, describing this 30 yr old guy that died from this cardiac event:

“Michael was young, in perfect health, and the doctors have no explanation for what happened”.

Hmmm …. ‘doctors have no explanation’?
That sounds to me like: ‘They know very well what the explanation is. But they risk losing their licence to practise medicine if they were to disclose it publicly’.

Also, we have this article titled ’55 Chemicals Found in Covid Vaccines, Including Heavy Metals’ that I was reading in LewRockwell.com yesterday:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/10/jon-rappoport/55-chemicals-found-in-covid-vaccines-including-heavy-metals/

The first few paragraphs from that article read:

Children’s Health Defense’s The Defender has a blockbuster report.

“A group of Argentine scientists identified 55 chemical elements—not listed on package inserts—in the Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, CanSino, Sinopharm and Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccines, according to a study published last week in the International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research.�

“The chemical elements include 11 heavy metals—such as chromium, arsenic, nickel, aluminum, cobalt and copper—which scientists consider systemic toxicants known to be carcinogenic and to induce organ damage, even at low exposure levels.�

ARSENIC in the vaccines? How does that happen? I can’t see how a vaccine assembly line would be accidentally contaminated with arsenic, from other prior uses.

Sorry Ron, you must get a fair bit of grief from rando’s on the internet. Sorry to add to that. Your articles are good though btw.

I had to backup Truth Vigilante just a little – you know…. incase you crushed his spirit with your boss level aura.

Also in TVs defence – he is one of those rare creatures still gunning for winning strategies or at least theoretical solutions, to world size problems.

And you both agree with me on controlled demo for 9/11 twin towers + very real planes.

Although I understand the high strangeness around random number generators not being random on 9/11 can easily be discounted as meaningless.

Whether I’m a ‘lunatic anti-vaxxer’ or not is something for others to decide in the court of public opinion, as each side makes their case and lays out evidence to support their respective hypotheses.

I am with you on this one.

More evidence on the harm of the so called “Covid Vaccines”

Study of 1.7 million Kids and Teens Found Heart Inflammation Only in Those Who Got Pfizer’s COVID Shots.

The research revealed that children and adolescents didn’t face a high risk from COVID-19, but they did experience side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine — which protected against the virus for only 14-15 weeks.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/study-1-7-million-kids-teens-heart-inflammation-pfizer-covid-shots-cola/

And here I thought this thread was gonna be a total nothing burger.

My take: Ron just attacked you, me, Kevin, Tony Hall and small children all in one.

Is it not okay to oppose the covid shot cos it contains aborted children?

Mutagenesis (genetic modification) becomes more likely depending on how many dead babies are in the brew. So I say – be a good Satanist…. Consume dead babies once every 3 months.

I don’t know this, but I suspect Kevin moderates his own column. I want to believe he won’t censor me on this one (or ever)

And in the spirit of encapsulation – I go on to theorize that the gut shot was also secretly about Hitler and how you promote Hitler sometimes.

But since you yourself are a lunatic anti-vaxxer, what else should I expect?

Whether I’m a ‘lunatic anti-vaxxer’ or not is something for others to decide in the court of public opinion, as each side makes their case and lays out evidence to support their respective hypotheses.

But we’re not allowed to do that here. We’re all muzzled by you.
I mean, if you’re in the right and we’re all lunatics, why are you afraid to allow an open debate on this issue?

If all the evidence favours your side Ron (as you believe), this is your chance to swat down the pesky anti-vaxxers and put it to rest once and for all.
This webzine is crying out for another article exploring the devastation wrought by the clot shots and the protocols of the western health bureaucracies during the Covid Psyop.

I’ve also been trying to figure out how to work the word ‘paleoencephalon’ into a sentence

Try this:

I fell from my step ladder and bumped my head.
MRI scans revealed injury to the paleoencephalon*.

(*Seeing as this word means ‘The most ancient part of the brain’.

BTW Kevin Barrett, if you’re reading this, it’s good to see you teaming up with Prof. (Emeritus) Anthony Hall. It’s like old times again on FFWN.
What a good man Tony Hall is – someone who has much to contribute in the way of articles he could post here in the UR.

But for some unexplained reason Ron Unz won’t publish his output – instead preferring to publish the articles of nitwits like that rabid Marxist Michael Hudson or that ZOG apologist Steve Sailer (the latter’s articles mostly deal with frivolous fluff).

If Kevin Barrett ever interviews Julian Assange – would that complete my life?

Yes

But only rhetorically and also monetarily.

(I’ve also been trying to figure out how to work the word ‘paleoencephalon’ into a sentence – when I do finally get around to it, you can definitely expect more unnecessary commentary from me)

Yes, I only recently realized that the real target for Jewish brainwashing is not us gentiles, but other Jews. That’s why so many of them (including those I’ve known and liked) have a paranoid streak. Though there may be a genetic component to that as well.

Are Israeli Jews brainwashed by lies and/or exaggerations about the World War II Holocaust?

Yes – they train them to believe that card carrying Nazis are still real and really trying to kill them – the training, sorry – brainwashing, teaches them they must kill first.

Has that pernicious programming influenced their genocidal mentality?

Yes

Are we allowed to talk about this?

No

How soon people forget David Irving for many years (20+) held the record for the largest UK settlement in a LOST LIBEL suit.
NOT for the Lipstbitch case.

Yet not word of this is mentioned by Mr.Unz.
Nor will Mr. Unz remind you of the role Mr. Irving played in the Ernst Zundel trial.

«We always were at war with Oceania!», yes.

a leading biographer of famed Jewish modernist writer Gertrude Stein, who seemed totally mystified why her feminist icon seemed to have been a major admirer of Hitler and an enthusiastic supporter of the pro-German Vichy government of France. The author also notes that Stein was hardly alone in her sentiments, which were generally shared by so many of the leading writers and philosophers of that period.

On the subject of “feminist icons�, let’s remember Marie Carmichael Stopes. Who was a big shiny public figure for British eugenicists and other pseudo-intellectuals of this sort back from 1918 or so. And it should not be too surprising that…

In 1935, she attended a Nazi Congress for Population Science in Berlin. Four years later she sent Hitler a gushing personal letter along with a volume of her love poems: ‘Dear Herr Hitler, love is the greatest thing in the world: so will you accept from me these that you may allow the young people of your nation to have them?‘
― from CMF blog https://cmfblog.org.uk/2019/05/07/marie-stopes-history-erases-ugly-facts-to-create-a-mythical-feminist-hero/

Und so weiter. It’s like a bad anime — «These l-love poems are… uh… for use of those racially pure German youths! *blush*» Later she got even more giddy and expressed her feelings in a more straightforward manner:
Catholics and Prussians,
The Jews and the Russians,
All are a curse,
Or something worse…
Birds of a feather, indeed. Sure, Hitler had ghoulish “episodes� at times (and oddly squeamish at other times)… And the Nazi allowed, say, Doctor Mengele to have his kind of fun, but he seems basically kicked upstairs in a way that kept him out of public sight.
But then it turns out some of their contemporaries, friends and supporters were the kind of people who seriously opposed developing cures for tuberculosis, yet how many people wring hands about that?
More importantly, NSDAP does not exist for almost 80 years, so their antics, however unappetizing or crazy, are but fodder of history. Some Wehraboo pop up here and there, but they are little more than an obscene joke, and most people treat them accordingly.
Now, good old Mrs. Stopes? Her megalomaniacal exuberant ghoulishness is only comparable to the likes of Leon Trotsky or John Holdren… and she is still treated as a saint by many. Should someone ever argue that the world is certainly sane, keep this in mind.

in the name of progress, democracy, freedom, enlightenment, and brotherhood
…
(And how it backfired; every year, until liberation in 1989, three minutes of silence were observed on the Day of Infamy in Communist-dominated Dresden for the victims of “Western Monopoly Capitalism.�)

A curious thing about this…
The Soviet communists sought to disassociate themselves from anything unsavory about either the rest of Progressive sects or the National Socialist deviation.
The rest of Progressive sects likewise sought to disassociate themselves from anything unsavory about either the Soviet communists or the National Socialists deviation (and appropriate anything useful). Even when the ties are embarrassingly short (like in that “Canadian literal femi-Nazi� case) and scrambling to hide them only makes it uglier.
So far, so good, and to be expected.
Now, the anomaly: the rest of Progressive sects also sought to disassociate the Soviet communists from anything unsavory about the National Socialist deviation. Which is the obvious reason for why they not only single out and drag Aktion Reinhard thing around the town ad nauseam (sincerity of this well-rehearsed outrage is dubious at best: the American Progressives generally don’t like Jews much more than the German National Socialists did, it shows often), but also insist on attaching as many Hollywood decorations as possible to it (such as the infamous “holocoaster�) every time.
Even long after formally denouncing their former partners they still purge those who violate this odd tenet. Example: David Josef Volodzko. https://www.thefp.com/p/seattle-times-writer-fired-over-hitler-lenin
Which greatly compromises credibility of their attempts to disassociate themselves from the Soviet communists. Curious, isn’t it?

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When reading Ron Unz we are sometimes surprised to learn how “conventional” his thinking can be — for example, with regard to masks and lock-downs.

It’s similar with Irving. Irving called his views on the Holocaust (merely) “deviationist” and admitted that he dissented from the hard-core denialists. Although Auschwitz itself may not have been an “extermination” camp, there were what amounted to such things further east. He said the figure for the victims was most likely in the millions. He even goes so far as to admit the possibility (in his view unlikely) that Hitler may have told his criminal underlings to go about their duties however they saw fit, but to keep him out of the loop.

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=qLZV43m0EJs

In Dresden, the number of those killed — in the name of progress, democracy, freedom, enlightenment, and brotherhood — in one fair afternoon, was a multiple of the Inquisitors’ victims throughout the centuries. (And how it backfired; every year, until liberation in 1989, three minutes of silence were observed on the Day of Infamy in Communist-dominated Dresden for the victims of “Western Monopoly Capitalism.”)

— Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Leftism Revisited (Regnery, 1990), p. 276.

Let’s be broadmunded. Is there any moral difference at base between Hitler, Putin, Mugabe, Netanyahu, Stalin ….. and Trump. Actually, unless you think Trump is already proven beyond the moral pale – or exempted by his dementia – should we wait to see if he vould yet surprise? (No, can’t risk it).

I come back in desperation to the task of getting you to reflect on how you can be so naively (and stubbornly) wrong about matters you have taken up because you realised how naively wrong you had been for many years until the reading you did which lead to American Pravda changed your assumptions.

I daresay pop psych would explain you as “on the spectrum” when it comes to your evident lack of people skills which can’t be exercised by deliberate exercise of your high IQ intellect, if only to amaze and impress, and to your pigheadedness about admitting error (or even the likelihood of it: Cp. that ludicrous 99%). No doubt, but it is a shame that you deliver naive belief to crooks and shysters like your Ukrainian crew of hopeless experts.

I have now, in recent comments, shown you
the contrast if you read Prof Michael Lawriwsky or Prof Mark Edele (e.g) and I invite you to at least seek an excuse for the absurdities you must now renounce by claiming an understandable starting authority in John Mearsheimer. Heroically right in taking on the Zionist Jewish Lobby but, sadly, now diminished by Ukraine. Right?

February 20, 2024

Michael A Hoffman II reports the very sad news that David Irving has passed.

RIP David, you were a formidable historian.

https://michaelhoffman.substack.com/p/revisionist-history-news-david-irving

https://irvingbooks.com/blog/support-david-irving/

https://fpp.co.uk/

https://irvingbooks.com/

Simone Weil, French resistance, 1942– It seems to me difficult to deny that Hitler conceives, and conceives clearly, a kind of physics of human matter…laws that he has not invented but that before him were presented so forcibly and distinctly only by men of genius. He possesses an exact notion of the range of the power of force.

Boundless speculations tethered to sky hooks as evidence by:

Although there is a broad-brush of truth to the idea that Czechoslovakia was likely to come apart in the relatively near future, the way that this occurred was definitely Hitler’s creation.

It’s not broad-brushed but the exact truth as revealed by how it came apart after break-up of Soviet Union without the slightest nudge from Hitler that were the exact same forces that split it apart that would have happened in exactly the same way as it happened later.

Did Hitler use those tensions to his advantage? Of course he did. Who wouldn’t.

But he didn’t create the forces that were there for him to use.

That’s big power politics. The UK-IUS does it all the time as they engineer revolutions and mayhem to control their empire.

You laCK EVEN A CHILDISH COMPREHENSION OF POWER POLITICS.

Let me add to my reasons for doubting that you are up to date in your assessments of MSM honesty and accuracy compared to the motley crew you seem to prefer. I can’t readily locate the articles and podcasts that I was going to challenge you with but reading/listening to sober voices in the Economist, Fi acial Times, Times and Telegraph radio, and just a few hours ago ABC RN’s Between the Lines encourages me to ask you how you can prefer your Scott Ritters and Colonel MacGregors.

It’s been such a lomg time since you wrote about Russia,’s war on Ukraine that I have had to choose the last article with Ukraine in its heading to communicate the following to you, which yeaterday I posted in reply to commenter John Johnson

Ron has had such a bizarre collection of facourites like Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor and Larry c. Johnson that it seems like deliberate perversity which detracts from his whole American Pravda series which in fact has much merit. One has to wonder why he does ‘t rely on a real expert who frequently travels to Ukraine and can be found in the MSM interviewed for the FT by Gideon Rachman no less. I sent this rather pessimistic piece to the most expert person I know on Russia and Ukraine and their history Professor Michael Lawriwsky

Is the balance tilting towards Russia in Ukraine? – https://on.ft.com/3ML3hBx via @FT

With stiff upper lip he replied

This is a brilliant analysis of the situation right now. Highly intelligent and informed analysis. The best I have heard.

(I have juat spoken to him and urged him to get on with pushing my line about getting the Turks into Crimea since he is in touch with Ukraine’s ambassador here).

Hitler was not an officer and not in intelligence. He was a courier. Why are you wasting our time with misremebered rubbish from some comic book you read 30 yeaes ago?

> Thus it wasn’t Hitler’s scheming and plotting that brought it all on.

It was indeed Hitler’s scheming which accounted for the specific way and time that the Czechoslovak state broke apart. It’s true that without Hitler’s intervention, there probably would still have occurred an eventual break-up of the Czechoslovak state in, say, 1941 or thereabouts. Such a break-up could have easily been worked out on the international stage, with Britain and France participating along with Germany to establish a neutralized zone in eastern Europe. But that was not Hitler’s goal.

Hitler envisioned his demands on Czechoslovakia and Poland as part of the drive to the east to conquer living space in Russia and Ukraine. Sitting around for a few years while the Slovaks debated what they wanted to do was not compatible with Hitler’s timetable. He needed to swiftly establish his position on the Czech and Polish reasons in order to promptly move further east.

For this reason, German officials worked to provoke the crisis of March 9, 1939:

—–
Furthermore, Mr. Hencke, German Charge d’ Affaires in Prague, encouraged the Czechs to use a strong hand with respect to Slovakia. On March 9, 1939, he was formally requested by Berlin to “reveal” to the Czech governmental circles a conspiracy being formed in Bratislava which would aim at the proclamation of independence. The Prague government naturally nibbled at the bait… The evening of March 9, 1939, the President of the Republic, Mr. Hacha, proceeded to the dissolution of the Slovak government of Monsignor Tiso…
—–
— Joseph Mikus, Slovakia: A Political History 1918-1950, pp. 78-9.

Once Hacha had dismissed the Tiso government, Hitler proceeded to set down his own terms on Tiso:

—–
Now he had permitted Monsignor Tiso to come here in order to make his position clear in a very short time… He would stand by his word as long as Slovakia made it clear that she desired independence. If she hesitated or did not wish to dissolve her connection with Prague, he would leave the destiny of Slovakia to the mercy of events for which he was no longer responsible.

Hitler then asked Ribbentrop whether he had anything to add, and Ribbentrop repeated that a decision must be made within hours and not days. He showed the Fuehrer a message he had just received which reported Hungarian troop movements to the Slovak frontiers. The Fuehrer read the report, mentioned it to Tiso and expressed the hope that Slovakia would soon make her decision.
—–
Ibid, pp. 81-82.

In this way, Tiso was pressed into declaring independence right then and there. Taylor’s commentary suffers from the weakness of being a glittering generality. Although there is a broad-brush of truth to the idea that Czechoslovakia was likely to come apart in the relatively near future, the way that this occurred was definitely Hitler’s creation.

It’s a lot like the way that one can say that the Ukrainian territory of Poland in 1939 would likely have split from the country sooner or later, even without the intervention of Joseph Stalin. There was a lot that was contrived and artificial about the eastern borders of 1939 Poland. But obviously, the annexation of these territories into the USSR was not something predestined.

responds after citing my comment below:

> The Slovakian government proceeded to vote a declaration of independence from Czechoslovakia on March 14, 1939.

Another misleading distortion. The Slovakian government did not get up and decide to declare independence. Hitler called the Slovak representatives into his office and threatened that if they did not promptly declare independence and request a protectorate from Germany, then he would back Horthy’s encroachments of Slovakia.

The only misleading distortion is your claim that rather than the Slovakian govt just deciding to declare independence on March 14, they actually did it apparently immediately after Hitler had called them into his office and he used his magical powers to force them to succumb to his demands.

That the decision was not arrived in such sudden haste and under such pressure is made obvious by the trail of dates even he recites that led up to it starting Horthy showing his willingness to reach an agreement with Prague when on August 22 interecepted phone conversations “that at a meeting of foreign ministers of the Little Entente in faraway Bled the Hungarian delegation had apparently formally renounced all use of force against Czechoslovakia; the wiretaps showed that Horthy, Kanya and his prime minister, Bela von Imredy, had retrospectively sanctioned this. This cast a cloud over the entire state visit; then during secret meetings beginning the next day “Ribbentrop accused Kanya of stabbing Germany in the back with the Bled agreement, and refused to accept Kanya’s explanations; and while “over the next four weeks, the Nazi pressure on the Slovaks to declare independence increased. Keppler sent his closest associate Dr. Edmund Veesenmayer to Bratislav to tell them to hurry, as ‘otherwise Hungary will get our permission to occupy Slovakia at any time after March 15’ that was at least seven months after those secret conversations, until ” Durcansky and his economics minister visited Goering on February 28, the field marshal sinisterly greeted them with: ‘Now, what’s it to be? When are you going to declare independence, so we don’t have to turn you over to the Hungarians?”

So this pressure cooker Hitler stoked up took at least eight months to do its work that Hitler completed by simply calling the Slovaks into his office.

A.J.P Taylor in Origins of the Second World War (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett Pubs. Inc.. 1961) instead describes as follows the conditions and circumstances leading to that decision:

“But, as both Benet and Hitler had foreseen, it was impossible to hold the state together once Czech prestige and power were shaken. In Western eyes, Czechoslovakiaa was a happy, democratic state, wantonly dismembered by Hitler. In fact, it was a state of nationalities, created by Czech initiative and maintained by Czech authority. Once this weas broken, disintegration followed, just as the collapse of the Hapsburg monarchy followed defeat in the first World War.

“The Slovaks in particular had never been accepted as equal partners. . . . The demand for Slovak autonomy provided a grumbling under-current throughout the twenty years of Czechoslovakian history; after Munich, it came to the surface. Hitler patronized the Slovakian autonomists in order to spite Hungary, to whom Slovakia had originally belonged. The movement was not created by him; he merely took advantage of it, as he had done of the German Austrians and the Sudeten Germans. He would have been satisfied with Slovak autonomy within a subservient Czechoslovakian state. The Slovaks were not. Freed from their old awe of Prague, they grew turbulent. By the end of February 1939 Czecho-Slovakia (hyphenated since the previous October0 was crumbling. The Prague government might have little independence left; they still felt strong enough to discipline the Slovaks– indeed had to do so if Czecho-Slovakia were to survive. On March 9, the autonomous Slovak government was dismissed; Czech troops prepared to move it. Once again Hitler was taken by surprise. . . He could not allow the Czechs to restore their damaged prestige. On the othr hand, if he insisted on Czech forces keeping out of Slovakia the Hungarians might well move in [and reclaim their older territory] as they had planned to do in the previous September. Now Hitler turned against the Hungarians; and since the Czech army could no longer enter Slovakia to deter them, he had to do it himself.

“Germany hastily recognized Slovak independence, and thus brought Czecho-Slovakia to an end (pp 195-196).”

Thus it wasn’t Hitler’s scheming and plotting that brought it all on. It was, instead the conditions that were created by establishing Czechoslovakia as a conglomeration of competing minorities who detested and schemed against each other to claim or reclaim lands each demanded for itself. Hitler at most merely took advantage of the situation that could have gone even further out of control had the competing minorities been left to their own devices to fight it out that could easily have resulted in a war involving Hungary, Poland, and the Czech and Slovak states that could easily have drawn in the Soviets

Taylor’s description of the state of affairs that produced the results the followed entirely debunks your ridiculously clownish version of what occurred..

> The Slovakian government proceeded to vote a declaration of independence from Czechoslovakia on March 14, 1939.

Another misleading distortion. The Slovakian government did not get up and decide to declare independence. Hitler called the Slovak representatives into his office and threatened that if they did not promptly declare independence and request a protectorate from Germany, then he would back Horthy’s encroachments of Slovakia. Prior to this, when Horthy in 1938 had shown a willingness to come to agreement with Prague, the German government had pressured him away from this.

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That day, August 22, passed without incident until evening when the Forschungamt, routinely monitoring the Hungarians’ telephone conversations between Kiel and Budapest, reported that at a meeting of foreign ministers of the Little Entente in faraway Bled the Hungarian delegation had apparently formally renounced all use of force against Czechoslovakia; the wiretaps showed that Horthy, Kanya and his prime minister, Bela von Imredy, had retrospectively sanctioned this. This cast a cloud over the entire state visit.

The secret meetings which began the next day, during a sea trip to Heligoland, were stormy. In the morning Hitler conferred privately with Horthy, while Ribbentrop and Weizsaecker took on Imredy and Kanya. Ribbentrop accused Kanya of stabbing Germany in the back with the Bled agreement, and refused to accept Kanya’s explanations…

Over the next four weeks, the Nazi pressure on the Slovaks to declare independence increased. Keppler sent his closest associate Dr. Edmund Veesenmayer to Bratislav to tell them to hurry, as ‘otherwise Hungary will get our permission to occupy Slovakia at any time after March 15.’ And when Durcansky and his economics minister visited Goering on February 28, the field marshal sinisterly greeted them with: ‘Now, what’s it to be? When are you going to declare independence, so we don’t have to turn you over to the Hungarians?’ Ribbentrop also received them with a promise to guarantee Slovakia’s frontiers, provided she proclaimed her independence at a time that suited the Fuehrer.
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— David Irving, The War Path, pp. 125-6, 186, 2013 Focal Point edition.

The pattern was that first in 1938 Hitler pressured Horthy into dropping any agreements with Czechoslovakia in order to engineer a Hungarian/Slovak confrontation. Then in 1939 he threatened the Slovaks that he would back Hungary unless they declared independence and requested a German protectorate. On both occasions, first the Hungarians and then Slovaks gave in to Hitler’s pressures. But this was not some mere spontaneous declaration of Slovak independence that happened on its own. It was forced through by Hitler as a way of creating pretext for Germany to occupy Czechia and place protectorate status over Slovakia, in order to facilitate the drive to the east which was his central overriding aim.

> Why didn’t England simply allow the German state to deal with its internal issues on its own?

That is exactly what he did indeed do. This was why he never raised any heckles over the Crystal Night, even though a lot of people in Britain regarded the event with distaste. But the confrontations over first Czechoslovakia/Sudetenland in 1938 and then Poland/Danzig in 1939 were not mere internal issues of Germany. They were matters of international relations, involving states which Britain had at various times entered into prior agreements. Chamberlain had pressed Benes in 1938 to agree to the Munich Pact, because he did not think that it was worthwhile for Britain to launch a war if Hitler agreed to the Munich terms. But after Hitler had discarded the Munich Agreement, there was no way for Chamberlain to plausibly tell the Poles that they should make a similar agreement over Danzig.

Babbles:

But he would have been perfectly happy if Hitler had simply allowed the remaining Czechoslovak state to deal with its internal differences on its own. There quite probably would have been an eventual separation of Slovakia from Czechia in 1941 or thereabouts, without Hitler’s interference.

Exposes the depth and breadth of his ignorance since it wasn’t Hitler who brought about the dissolution of Czechoslovakia. In point of fact, as John Ware makes clear, “Hitler merely promised Tiso [in March 13, 1939] that he would support Slovakian if she continued to demonstrate her will to independence. The Slovakian government proceeded to vote a declaration of independence from Czechoslovakia on March 14, 1939. Ruthenia also declared independence and became a part of Hungary, dissolving what was left of the Czech state (Germany’s War (American Free Press: Upper Marlboro, MD, 2014)).

Your claim is thus founded on ignorance or is an outright lie, your pick.

And so is everything else you have written about anything.

But he would have been perfectly happy if Hitler had simply allowed the remaining Czechoslovak state to deal with its internal differences on its own

Why didn’t England simply allow the German state to deal with its internal issues on its own? Why didn’t England/US allow Russia to fight its own battle with Germany? I’m sure 500,000 American men/boys would have been happy to watch from the sidelines.

Why didn’t England/France simply allow Poland to deal with its issues with Germany and Russia? Why didn’t they declare war on Russia for invading Poland? Why didn’t the Allies expose the Gulags to the world?

But then the whole thing would have occurred without Germany occupying and imposing a protectorate on Slovakia

Are you sure it was an imposition? Just like the imposition on the Austrians?

When did Hitler get a sympathetic ear over Poland/Danzig? What are your sources? Shlomo’s History of Evil Germany? So, there were no proposals about a thoroughfare, at Germany’s expense, or any trade agreements beneficial to Poland? Do you think the Poles regretted thwarting Germany or Russia? Do you really believe Poland prospered under the Soviet occupation? Do you think you should get information on WW2 from somewhere other than the History Channel on the Shlomo Network? That’s a rhetorical question, obviously.

Simply working diplomatically to iron out things in Czechoslovakia and Poland was never his principal goal.

That’s right, Patricio – Germany was to Rule the Entire World. Tell us all about the South American Goal. Did Jewry have any goals/plans for Palestine? What is going on over there? Apparently, Jews can’t run a prosperous nation without killing non-Jews. Gentiles can’t run a prosperous nation with Jews. The Jews are the problem, Patricio.

Chamberlain certainly expected that Britain would have to rearm. But he would have been perfectly happy if Hitler had simply allowed the remaining Czechoslovak state to deal with its internal differences on its own. There quite probably would have been an eventual separation of Slovakia from Czechia in 1941 or thereabouts, without Hitler’s interference. But then the whole thing would have occurred without Germany occupying and imposing a protectorate on Slovakia. In the meantime, Hitler could have raised issues about the status of Danzig and gotten a sympathetic ear in Britain over that. But that was not his agenda. His aim was to swiftly overrun Czechia, force Poland to accept a subordinate status in Germany’s drive to the east, and then began taking over living space in Russia and Ukraine. Simply working diplomatically to iron out things in Czechoslovakia and Poland was never his principal goal.

The entire comment was actually about the BS spouted by Wilson and his 14 Points Shenanigans, and then Churchill chiding Chamberlain, “You are dishonorable and we will have war!â€� – or some such slurred babble….

Patricio thinks the Sudetenland/Moravia/Bohemia were all once ancient Czechoslovakia, or maybe just ancient Czechco, since Slovakia was certainly free to decide where they wanted to belong.

It’s almost as if Patricio thinks Deniers can’t read. And, only Jews can reclaim the land they believe is theirs; Bolsheviks/Soviets can pillage/plunder, and use Gulags for those who attempt to stop them from taking what is not theirs, in the first place. How did the Soviets manage to kill so many people without a complex network of gas chambers? If they really wanted to kill everyone, the Nazis certainly showed them the best way to do it. I hear the Soviet’s reparations payments are still $0.00 per year in 2023.

You are being much too kind.

Talk is cheap. Chamberlain wanted to buy time to re-arm Britain for a war with Germany that had been planned by the Brits since at least the mid 1930’s.

As usual you spout nothing but rubbish.

> create Czechoslovakia

Czechoslovakia was created out of the breakdown of the old Austro-Hungarian empire. The German Austrians had always loather the multi-ethnic Habsburg empire, so this should not have been any loss for them. But Hitler’s for a drive to the east to conquer the living space of the Slavs required the Czechoslovak region as a steppingstone. He never made a big deal about South Tyrol with Mussolini, because he did not regard this as relevant for his wider ambitions.

> If you’re not Adolf Hitler, you can make all sorts of threats of war, invasion, economic embargoes….you can say whatever you want.

Chamberlain never made any threat of war to Hitler, until Hitler had torn up the Munich Agreement. Chamberlain spoke of “peace in our time: because that was what he wanted. Hitler was resolved on overrunning Czechoslovakia from the first moment when he signed the Munich Agreement. That was what made the difference.

#1716 HdC

“What does you babbling have to do with the price of tea in China, or the third stanza of the German national anthem??? “

I think, that your innovative approach to describing nation’s character by analyzing its anthem deserves name “HdC Stanza Standard Analysis”.

You are really big scientist.

Each theory should be checked so now we check your theory.

You claim that Germans are freedom-loving-people because they have “Freedom” in 3rd stanza of their anthem (why not in first stanza?).
Ok. Let’s assume it is true. 🙂

The British don’t have word “Freedom” in their anthem so they aren’t freedom-loving-people. Well, it’s true, they love money more than freedom.

The Canadians don’t have word “Freedom” in their anthem so they aren’t freedom-loving-people. Well, it’s true taking into consideration how easily they were pacified during Covid plandemia or that they recently celebrated Nazi-Ukrainian in Canadian Parliament*.

So your method works 2 times already. Congratulations. Keep doing your reaserch Mr. .

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* “The moment Canadian lawmakers celebrate Ukrainian Nazi”
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-66919230

Babbles:

The difference between US Army and Wehrmacht during World War II is that US Army tried to punish those crimes (as much as possible) while Wehrmacht (Germans generally) promoted such crimes as normal thing.

Really. And which generals were court martialed for the war crime of bombing Dresden that was a purely civilian target filled with refugees and wounded soldiers? And how about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Any generals court martialed for those atrocities?

Your remarks about the difference between Germans and Americans is that American war criminals were punished only proves you are either a babbling idiot or a Munchhausen liar.

Your pick.

#1713 SolontoCroesus

“For how many centuries was Poland the location of the largest number of Jews in the world?”

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what have in common fact that Westerners allowed Jews to take total control over Western Europe in the last 200-150 years with poor Jews from Central and Eastern Europe?

“It was not until those “obedience-lovingâ€� Germans took on the task of removing Jews from Poland (…)”

Germans also wanted to remove Poles to make Lebensraum. You know, it made Poles a little angry.

“Seems to me a Thank You, Hitler and Wehrmacht, is in order.”

Sure. Poles should praise Hitler and Stalin that their “team-work” finally removed from Poland two main foes of Poles – Germans and Jews at a promotional cost of losing 30% of population of Poland and huge border change.

What does you babbling have to do with the price of tea in China, or the third stanza of the German national anthem???

#1712 The Old Philosopher

“Babbles about something allegedly unique to Germans:”

I was talking about society’s mentality, not military. Anyway.

“By the way, the US Army committed war crimes in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, Iraq and whatever war it fought.”

It’s all about proportions.

Probably each army has committed a crimes because each army have has a some percentage of sadists and psychopaths.

The difference between US Army and Wehrmacht during World War II is that US Army tried to punish those crimes (as much as possible) while Wehrmacht (Germans generally) promoted such crimes as normal thing.

Unfortunatelly, modern US Army is very similar to Wehrmacht in contrary to US Army from 1945.
I mean, US Army today has mentality of Wehrmacht- every crime is accepted and covered if it serves their masters.
It’s only my opinion.

SolontoCrazytown!

I’ve heard a few Jewish witnesses admit Yiddish was “bastardized German.â€� The last admission I heard was from a woman describing how a German officer saved her family. She was proud that her mother spoke high-German; her father was a Yiddish speaker. My former neighbor was a Yiddish speaker; she was absolutely lovely, and she sent Christmas presents to my children every year. That’s the quandary – the Jews don’t care for the actual righteous amongst their people. My neighbor bore no hatred towards Germans, by the way.

The Eastern European Jews ravaged Eastern Europe. I’ve been reading the crap Ilya Ehrenburg “Never Forgets!� My eyeballs can’t roll any further into my skull. What a pack of lies.

fufu is a hard case. Having said that, Poland is telling Ukraine to pound sand, AND telling the Africans to pound sand back to Africa. Maybe there’s hope for Eastern Europe.

— feelin’ near as faded as my genes.

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@ 1704 fufu said:

“Westerners have done almost nothing to stop “Jewish marchâ€� to power in western countries in last decades.
Westerners are doing nothing to regain power from Jewish hands.
Blame Westerners. They got what they had deserved.

For how many centuries was Poland the location of the largest number of Jews in the world?
For how many of those centuries did Jews oppress the native Poles?
How many Jews in Poland learned to speak the Polish language?
Hint: Yiddish is Jewishized German.
(Query Heinrich Graetz, who wrote History of Jews in German.)

It was not until those “obedience-loving” Germans took on the task of removing Jews from Poland — simultaneously giving cover to Poles to exercise the vengeance that must have been simmering in their “freedom-loving” hearts, but not their muscles — that Poland was “freed” of their Jewish oppressors.

Seems to me a Thank You, Hitler and Wehrmacht, is in order.
In Polish or in German, but not in Yiddish.

Babbles about something allegedly unique to Germans:

“Handeln auf Befehlâ€�* “just following ordersâ€�– typical

German excuse which means “accept orders without questioning�.

Gee, when I was in basic training in US army , we were clearly made to understand that you follow of superiors.

Now. it’s true that applies only to lawful orders.

The lawyer who explained this to us also made clear that you are on your own should you refuse to follow as order, and it will be up t4o you to prove it was unlawfull.

Of course, every soldier is also a lawyer who can easily discern what is legal and unlawful.

By the way, the US Army committed war crimes in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, Iraq and whatever war it fought.

Did any US soldier refuse to follow the myriad unlawful orders given that were war crimes?

I am not aware of any.

So they must have acted just like every German soldier when they were given orders that the victors deemed to be illegal.

And here is Fufi instructed the world about following orders based on the German example that is the same in every army.

#1710 HdC

“I offer in evidence the third stanza of Das Lied der Deutschen, aka Deutschland Lied aka the German national anthem.
“Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit fuer das Deutsche Vaterland…
In English: “Unity and Rights and Freedom for the German Father Land… Convincing for me what is important. It started out as a poem written in 1841 or so.

You were saying? “

Here you have a few examples of German love of freedom.

“Handeln auf Befehl”* “just following orders”– typical German excuse which means “accept orders without questioning”.

“Meine Ehre heißt Treue”** “My honor means loyalty” – slogan of SS, which means “accept orders without questioning”.

“Blut und Eisen”*** “Blood and Iron” – forced unification of German micro-states in 1871.

German culture can be described as “obey, don’t be affraid to be brutal because then you will flourish”.

You know, why Germans didn’t stand up to Hitler?
Because there was no such order 🙂

Now find in German language equivalent of Polish “we fight for our and yours freedom”.

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* “Superior orders”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

** “Meine Ehre heißt Treue”
“Meine Ehre heißt Treue (“My honor means loyalty”) was the motto of the Schutzstaffel (SS) under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany. “

*** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Iron_(speech)

Well, let’s check how strongly Germans feel about certain rights. Summarizing these in the national anthem would show how important these are to the citizens.

I offer in evidence the third stanza of Das Lied der Deutschen, aka Deutschland Lied aka the German national anthem.

“Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit fuer das Deutsche Vaterland…

In English: “Unity and Rights and Freedom for the German Father Land… Convincing for me what is important. It started out as a poem written in 1841 or so.

You were saying?

#1706 HdC

“Poles cry out about freedom because they were oppressed by their own rulers.

Germans cried out about order and obedience because of the disorder caused by communist infiltrators and saboteurs. “

Poles were oppressed so they wanted more freedom.
Germans were oppressed so they wanted less freedom.

And you don’t see such obvious discrepacy in metalities between these nations?

Good day.

#1705 Tiptoethrutulips

“Christianity has no such commandments. “

Christianity (like Islam and Judaism) says that its believers are above others and therefore they have right to abuse and subdue other people (I suppose you know history of Christianity).
All three abrahamic religions are very aggressive and expansive.

“Aren’t polish people westerners? “

Yes, but they are third-rate Westerners from point of view real Westerners (USA, GB, France, Germany etc).
It’s funny that (real) Westerners have no problems to exploit their (alleged) brothers from Central Europe.

“Little Black fufu, you go ahead and rub your hands together, as you await the fall of the western world.It won’t be paradise – it will be a hellscape, more similar to Rhodesia or South Africa, or maybe Malmo. Detroit. Baltimore. “

It’s not my problem. I don’t live there. It’s problem of Westerners. Fall of West is an opportunity to regain real independence just like fall of West in 1918 had allowed to free countries of Central and Southern Europe.

“The truth is, if Hitler had won, Europe would be heavily comprised of Germans,(…)

…because Germans would have killed 50-80% of Slavs. You see? Even for you German’s lives are more important than Slavic lives because subconsciously you treat Germans as REAL Westerners and Slavs are only a people somewhere in Europe.

Fortunately, in Slavic world uncritical worshiping of Western culture is slowly diminishing.

” We’ll see what happens.”

We will see.

Yes, indeed, and as Janet Joplin pointed out, “freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”

Pure and unadulterated rubbish!

You tried to make a big deal about slogans in Germany and Poland.

Poles cry out about freedom because they were oppressed by their own rulers.

Germans cried out about order and obedience because of the disorder caused by communist infiltrators and saboteurs.

Christianity has no such commandments. The Talmud specifically says, Jews are to treat Jews equitably, but lies may be told to gentiles, property may be stolen, gentiles are cattle, etc.; the Hadith also proclaims infidels may be treated poorly, i.e. –

“But whoever refuses [to pay jizya] will see nothing from us but the edge of a spear. The men will be killed and the children will be enslaved, and their wealth will be taken as booty. This is the judgment of Allah and His Messenger.

When the Islamic State invaded ancient Christian regions around the Ninevah Plain last June, it again declared: “We offer them [Assyrian Christians] three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract—involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword.”

Aren’t polish people westerners? Are you ethnically polish? Maybe Slavs are different from westerners, after all.

Who exploited “Soviet countries� in the first place? The Soviets?

The Jewish March is obscured from many people. Laws are on the books in many places to prevent anyone thwarting the Jewish March. Hitler warned the world about it, but no one listened.

Little Black fufu, you go ahead and rub your hands together, as you await the fall of the western world. It won’t be paradise – it will be a hellscape, more similar to Rhodesia or South Africa, or maybe Malmo. Detroit. Baltimore.

The truth is, if Hitler had won, Europe would be heavily comprised of Germans, and therefore very few little black/brown jackrabbits would be hopping around, ruining the lives of everyone stupid enough to believe the things you believe, or foolish enough to fail to heed the warnings about Jewish perfidy, and the negrofication of society. It seems to me, Islam and negroes are the brooms of Israel.

I understand Poland is desperately trying to retain its status as Righteous Amongst Nations, but in order to hang on to this endorsement, you can’t refuse to accept blame for the “Holocaust,� and you gotta start using Israel’s broom. We’ll see what happens. If you Slavs are as dreadful as many claim, maybe you stand a chance, but do rid yourself of those jackrabbits.

#1702 Tiptoethrutulips

“To my knowledge, it is only the Jewish and Islamic codes that have commandments to lie and/or treat others poorly, to the benefit of their own insular group.”

You forgot about Christianity.

“It is clear to me, in general, the citizens of every country on this earth, suffer for the perfidy of their leaders. “

Westerners democratically have elected psychopats for decades in exchange for comfort life.
Westerners also have no scruples to harshly exploit post-Soviet countries.
Westerners have done almost nothing to stop “Jewish march” to power in western countries in last decades.
Westerners are doing nothing to regain power from Jewish hands.

Blame Westerners. They got what they had deserved.

“Whatever you may think about Hitler, his entire nation benefited for his policies prior to WW2, and that was his crime. “

Yes, Germans benefited from his policie but you must remember that Hitler sustained German prosperity grabbing, using resources and people from other countries as slaves.
Otherwise Reich would have became bankrupt.

“He did seek diplomatic solutions to territory disputes, whether you accept it or not.”

Only as a pretext to subdue other countries economically and politically.

#1701 The Old Philosopher

“German poets like Goethe and Schiller are world renowned.”

If something is world wide known it doesn’t necessary mean it is masterpiece or genius.
American pop-culture is known everywhere but it doesn’t mean it is high culture, it’s average culture.

In contrary to you, many years ago, I read some fragments of Shakespeare and a few German poems (in translation).
Maybe it was a fault of translation or limited set of works I’ve read but I must say that … I wasn’t impressed.
They seem to represent the same level of genius like Kochanowski, Mickiewicz, SÅ‚owacki.

“And the slogans you cite are slogans in every culture.”

Do Germans really have equivalent of Polish “we fight for freedom our and yours”? Can you cite it?

I will try to be more precise.

1. Every culture has slogans.
2. Different cultures have different slogans.

Slogans in Poland are very different than slogans in Germany. That’s why Poles and Germans are different people.

I repeat:

While Poles are obsessed with freedom, Germans are obsessed with obedience.
Compare Polish slogans with German slogans.

Ok, fufu. You win.

I never said, Polish people had no right to defend their interests, or their country.

To my knowledge, it is only the Jewish and Islamic codes that have commandments to lie and/or treat others poorly, to the benefit of their own insular group. Regarding those two ancient groups, who evolved from the same region, I have read, Islam is the broom of Israel.

A young French woman, raped and tortured by an African man recently, is in a coma; she may die – she will probably be disabled for life and unable to bear children; young girls and boys are gang-raped in Germany; they are molested at their community swimming pools; there are gang-rape groups in England, acid and knife attacks are becoming routine; there are no-go zones all over Europe and America. It’s not Polish people, nor German people, terrorizing innocent citizens. These disparate, violent, people were brought in for a reason.

It is clear to me, in general, the citizens of every country on this earth, suffer for the perfidy of their leaders. If you go to war, often by conscription, you must “hate� your enemy. After witnessing your comrades die or maimed in battle, I imagine that hate comes easily. Still, many soldiers return and wonder why all the killing was necessary, as average citizens still suffer, and only elites reap the benefits or resulting profits. War profiteering is real; Jewish groups seem to always reap the benefits. Whatever you may think about Hitler, his entire nation benefited for his policies prior to WW2, and that was his crime. He did seek diplomatic solutions to territory disputes, whether you accept it or not.

Israel was the prize of WW1 and WW2. Americans, Germans and Poles died for it. Americans are dying still.

You keep Poland polish. That’s my advice.

declares:

You can’t compare Polish and German poets because you probably don’t know any Polish poets, do you?

Exactly my point that obviously whizzed right passed the the terminally cognitively impaired fufu.

German poets like Goethe and Schiller are world renowned. Polish poet, of which there may be some, are unknown except to Poles and a smidgeon of specialists.

And the slogans you cite are slogans in every culture.

Indeed the slogan above the gate at Auschwitz was “Arbeit macht frei,” literally meaning “works makes you free” but probably best captured in English as “work liberates”.

In fact, a Scottish document of a compact they made among themselves as a the foundation for a war expresses all those sentiment and that dated from hundreds of years ago.

#1698 Tiptoethrutulips

“Of course, there are cultural differences, but from an outsider’s perspective, an American with German ancestry, whose grandmother was a German from Poland, we are more similar than different. “

Germans are like Jews – they have superiority complex, they have “master-slave” culture (“be master or be a slave”).

“[Hitler] He wanted Danzig back in the German fold, and he wanted the corridor. “

The Corridor was also vital to Polish export via Gdynia port. Why Poles should place German interest above Polish interest?

“I believe Hitler was right about the unjust war,(…)”

Sure. Killing 50-80% of Slavs to make Lebensraum for Germans is good.

#1697 The Old Philosopher

“[I said-] No, definitely it’s not. Poles are freemen while Germans are slave mentality people.”
“Really.”

You can prove that I’m wrong about German slave mentailty by finding equivalents in German language some slogans from Polish culture: “we fight for our freedom and yoursâ€�, “freemen with freeman, equal men with equal menâ€�, “Poland, firt to fightâ€�,
“it’s better to be hungry but free, than live as a rich slave�, “nothing about us without us�, “we don’t ask for freedom, we fight for it�.

(see my comment #1693 for references).

“Then I give you Schiller and Goethe who rise vastly above anything from the Poles.”

Your opinion is usless because probably you don’t know Polish literature.
You can’t compare Polish and German poets because you probably don’t know any Polish poets, do you?

What you have against paganism?

Actually, I have nothing against paganism. I am very much aware of the pagan traditions and rituals that were “adopted� for Christian rituals, i.e., the Yule Tree, celebration of the winter solstice, aka Christmas, Santa Claus…..I have listened to talks by many Nordic scholars, who castigate Charlemagne for spreading Christianity. I see their point.

No, definitely it’s not. Poles are freemen while Germans are slave mentality people.
You are terrible mistaken.

Of course, there are cultural differences, but from an outsider’s perspective, an American with German ancestry, whose grandmother was a German from Poland, we are more similar than different. This is what I observe, as I don’t have historical grievances impacting my thoughts.

I think your thinking is wrong. Killing 50-80% of Slav (Generalplan Ost)* is not “cooperation� with Slavs.

From my understanding and observations, Hitler did not intend conflict with Poland from the outset. He wanted Danzig back in the German fold, and he wanted the corridor. He did offer complete, unencumbered access by Poland, and the construction of a highway, also accessible to Poland. These offers indicate a desire for cooperation. I understand that Poles didn’t want to go along, however there were a few who wanted to ally with Germany. I think other forces agitated within Poland, and from without, to refute his offers. If/when war is declared, atrocities often occur. I’m not saying, Oh, Well! But, that’s the sad reality, and everyone is guilty of it.

Jedwabe is a part of Holcaust Industry and Jewish propaganda. It is exaggerated in order to blame Poles for antisemitism. It will make a groud to require reparations from Poles for alleged “antisemitism�.
Do you know that after 17 September (invasion of Poland by Soviet Union), many Jews voluntaritly joined to Soviets and they denounced many Polish patriots?

Little Bunny, I meant to comment previously on the official story about the young girl’s head used as a soccer ball, but I was concerned about rambling….I don’t really believe that aspect of the story. I understand the “pack mentality� of angry crowds, etc., but that story reeks of the myriad of other Jewish exaggerations, i.e., ripping babies to pieces, throwing living children into fire pits, electric floors….you don’t have to convince me Jews tell outrageous lies. I don’t believe average Polish people would behave in that manner.

Of course, many Jews joined the Soviets. Of course, they denounced Poland and Polish people, who, I have no doubt, were much more tolerant of Jews than what Jews proclaim. They behave the same everywhere. I just listened to the testimony of a Hungarian Jewish woman, who said – the Soviets arrived to Budapest and made life miserable (worse than during the war); she went to live with her father in the countryside, and he was living with Russian soldiers; eventually, she escaped Budapest to live at a ski resort in Austria, then on to her father’s house in Vienna (he also escaped Hungary) – they had a chauffeur in Vienna, they dined in restaurants daily. How was the average Polish person living in 1947- 1948?

bun bun, I don’t think I dodge your questions. Of course, I understand animosity towards Germans, considering the war, the occupation, etc., but I am suggesting that things weren’t as they seemed. I believe Hitler was right about the unjust war, WW1, and Germany was illegally punished and threatened into the Versailles treaty; I also believe he wanted peaceful solutions, but he did say, war was possible, if diplomacy failed. The primary difference between Hitler and every other western leader, i.e., Churchill, FDR, is Hitler told the truth, always, about what he believed and what he would do; everyone else lied, lied, lied, and betrayed their own people.

Look around, Little Bunny fufu. The world we live in now is exactly as Hitler described, and Israel is a haven for Jewish criminals. Jews control banks, hedge funds, media, publishing, national governments, etc. Have you seen that ghoul, Yuval Noah Harari, telling everyone how the world is going to be, and how we need changes in society to promote “equality.� Do you want equality with the migrants from Africa and the Middle East? How will that equilibrium be achieved? It can ONLY be achieved by lower standards for all. All, except a few “you-know-whos.�

Just think about it, my Little Bunny.

Fufus

No, definitely it’s not. Poles are freemen while Germans are slave mentality people.

Really. Then I give you Schiller and Goethe who rise vastly above anything from the Poles.

#1695 Tiptoethrutulips

Me, Little Bunny fufu thought about your opinions a little.

“I have learned quite a bit about Polish history since debating with you, (…)”

I’ve noticed that and I have appreciated that because history of Central, Souther and Eastern Europe (except Russia) is almost unknown in mainstream of Western Europe.

“Weren’t the Teutonic Knights fighting paganism? I know they were Germanic, and I’m not saying they were correct to attack pagans, but religious wars never cease to occur.”

What you have against paganism? Do you know that Christianity (religion of slaves) invented religious wars, which were not known in pagan times?
Did you know that first defender of pagans was a Polish diplomat Paweł Włodkowic in XV century?

” So, it was not necessarily a German vs. Pole ethnic battle.”

That’s right, it was battle of mentatliies. It was battle between Byzantine culture (Germany) and egalitarian culture (Poland), it was a battle between slaves (Germans) and freemen (Poland).
Poles are freeman, Germans are a slaves

“Little Bunny, I am telling you, Germans and Poles have more in common than not, especially these days. “

No, definitely it’s not. Poles are freemen while Germans are slave mentality people.
You are terrible mistaken.

” I think Hitler preferred cooperation with Slavic countries. “

I think your thinking is wrong. Killing 50-80% of Slav (Generalplan Ost)* is not “cooperation” with Slavs.

You live in your WonderHitlerland but it doesn’t change facts that Germans were beasts during World War II.
Gremans murdered innocent children and women only because they were from “under rasa”.

“On a sweltering summer day, July 10, 1941, hundreds of Jews were murdered by their Polish neighbors in the village of Jedwabne, almost 100 miles northeast of Warsaw. “

Jedwabe is a part of Holcaust Industry and Jewish propaganda. It is exaggerated in order to blame Poles for antisemitism. It will make a groud to require reparations from Poles for alleged “antisemitism”.
Do you know that after 17 September (invasion of Poland by Soviet Union), many Jews voluntaritly joined to Soviets and they denounced many Polish patriots?

Again, you are escaping from answering simple questions like a hare.
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* Generalplan Ost
“The Generalplan Ost (…), was Nazi Germany’s plan for large-scale ethnic cleansing, extermination and genocide of Slavs, Eastern European Jews and other ethnic groups categorised as “Untermensch” in Nazi ideology.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

My Little Bunny fufu,

I have learned quite a bit about Polish history since debating with you, and thanks again for fighting the Mongols. Having said that, I still think Poles should have bees in their bonnets over the Russians bringing Mongolian soldiers into Eastern Europe. I’m just saying…..

Weren’t the Teutonic Knights fighting paganism? I know they were Germanic, and I’m not saying they were correct to attack pagans, but religious wars never cease to occur. Nearly every group of people fight over it at some point. So, it was not necessarily a German vs. Pole ethnic battle.

I found this information the other day:

From ForeignPolicy.com:

MARCH 21, 2023, 11:16 AM
On a sweltering summer day, July 10, 1941, hundreds of Jews were murdered by their Polish neighbors in the village of Jedwabne, almost 100 miles northeast of Warsaw. Babies were killed. Men were tortured. Women were raped. A young girl was decapitated and her head used as a soccer ball.
Villagers whose lives had not been extinguished with axes, clubs, and knives were rounded up and taken first to the market square and then to the outskirts of town, where they were herded into a barn. The wooden structure was doused with kerosene and set alight. Women, children, and men were burned alive as the jeering crowd watched. Their cries of agony reverberated throughout the village. Looting of the victims’ homes followed as peasants from neighboring villages showed up to take part in the plunder.
A monument erected near the barn where the Jews were immolated blamed Poland’s Nazi occupiers for the pogrom. Townspeople walked by the plaque for decades, knowing that it was a lie. Sixty years later, Polish Jewish historian Jan Gross’s Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland uncovered the truth, drawing on documents long buried in archives and interviews with survivors: The massacre was perpetrated by the local villagers rather than their German occupiers. Similar massacres were reported from nearby towns, including Radzilow, Szczuczyn and Wasocz.
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I don’t bring this up to castigate Poland. But, things just are not always as they seem, and that’s often true on both sides of one issue. One thing is always consistent though; the Jews are eventually targeted for expulsion by nearly everyone in the communities in which they reside, regardless of nationality, and throughout history, with nearly the exact accusations of perfidy claimed all around. Did Jews assist a Swedish invasion of Poland? Did they assist the Moors into Spain? Did they support the Bolsheviks? Does George Soros fund immigration into America and Europe. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. It’s the same pattern, evident today.

Regarding mass graves, the skeletal remains can be approximately dated, but unless DNA tests are done, how can we know who is buried? With two world wars, and multiple conflicts before and after, I suspect there are mass graves everywhere. If you are interested, you can view Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany on video on Odysee. I suspect there are mass German graves all over the place, courtesy of Bolshevik/Soviet soldiers, who also murdered Polish citizens, as well.

Little Bunny, I am telling you, Germans and Poles have more in common than not, especially these days. With centuries of immigration throughout your territory, there is just no way German ethnicity is not carried, to some extent, by many Poles. I don’t care what the anti-Hitlerites say, I think Hitler preferred cooperation with Slavic countries. I listened to many speeches and read his writings, and whilst singing the praises of Germans, he did disparage other peoples, but that doesn’t equate to wanting to eliminate other nations. He was ultimately backed into a corner, and came out swinging, to put it mildly. I don’t think he ever said Polish people, as a group, would ruin Europe. The Jews, however…..

Just think about it, Little bun bun. �