Great article, reading it with its most important links would take 100 hours, at least.

China outgrew Haiti because if IQ China = 105, Haiti is 67. That MUST be mentioned. And IQ also relates to crime and violence. Low IQ violent people also need strict governance and law.

The West’s downfall is largely related to political correctness’ outright stupidity.

(CRTL F searches for IQ and political correctness yielded no mention in the article)

We claim that UTTER HONESTY is needed to fix the dishonesty, mandatory lies of Western Leftist dogmatism. The official WEST POINT Honor’s code is necessary.

The notion that China was committing a “genocide� in a region constantly crisscrossed by tourists seemed like the most mindless sort of dishonest propaganda, aimed at the gullible and the dim-witted.

I agree, this is absurd propaganda that anyone can debunk by searching YouTube for just 30-minutes.

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“One hypothesis advanced by Prof. Kevin MacDonald is that the West has fallen under the control of a “hostile elite,â€� that for various reasons hates the population that it governs and has therefore deliberately sought to inflict harm upon its own society. Although I’m willing to accept that this might apply to a small fraction of those individuals, I’m skeptical that such animus is any broader than that. My own contrary explanation is that for the last generation or two, a substantial fraction of our ruling elites have consisted of parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths. But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.

The two ideas are impossible to distinguish. It is impossible to advance in the world if you are merely an avatar of malice. You must get along with humans to advance; you must pretend to be decent. Thus, if KMac’s thesis is correct, you cannot expect anything other than for the elites to appear, on the outside, as callous and parasitic, although, on the inside, they are likely malicious.

Yet, if you do genuinely hate the people of your country, you will find it hard – nigh impossible – to seriously apply your labor to advancing them, and doing what is in the best interest of the full society. You will find it impossible to resist the urge to just live for your own selfish ambitions, and let the rest of the country go its own way.

Given that elites are by nature the winners of the world’s competitions (primarily the economic ones), they will accumulate the wealth of society to extreme degrees as they continually win competitions in life, decade over decade, and the only way for that wealth to be returned to the full society is through charity or progressive taxation. You must have publicly-spirited elites like Carnegie, Rockefeller and the many elites of non-American countries, if you expect that redistribution to happen.

I was scratching my head wondering why people are claiming China’s economy is struggling given their projected 5% growth rate for 2024 is healthy by Western standards.

For the record some economists claim the 5% number is inflated and China will only experience 2-3% annual growth in the next five years.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-top-chinese-economist-just-said-what-many-people-suspected-chinas-official-gdp-numbers-may-not-be-accurate/ar-AA1vMK8W?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Still, that nation has a much brighter future than the dumpster fire known as the US.

Around 2020, Jewish power began to coordinate efforts to target China. They were unsettled by the rise of a powerful country with strong ethnic cohesion. During the summer of 2020, opinion leaders within the Jewish community in the US and UK started repeating similar rhetoric about the Xinjiang “concentration camps.”

Former British Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks wrote in a July 22 Facebook post about the Chinese government’s treatment of the Uighur Muslims. Avi Shafran, director of public affairs for Agudath Israel of America:

> “The Chinese concentration camps for Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities should strike fear into Jews’ hearts.”

By the end of 2020, UK Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis had also joined in:

> “An unfathomable mass atrocity perpetrated on China’s Uighur Muslims.”

This was part of a rare statement on an issue unrelated to communal matters.

In contrast, Mirvis when it came to Gaza says it did not constitute genocide:

> “The use of the term [genocide] is moral inversion designed to tear open the still gaping wound of the Holocaust.”

By 2021, the narrative surrounding the Xinjiang genocide myth continued to gain traction among Jewish organizations.

Major Jewish groups, including the Conservative movement’s Rabbinical Assembly and the Anti-Defamation League, joined the activism. On December 14, 2021, more than 200 Jewish organizations sent a letter to President Biden urging stronger actions against China over its alleged genocide of the Uighur population:

> “We Jews know what happens in concentration camps. We cannot be silent about China’s abuses.”

Activist efforts peaked around the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing.

The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity published a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Bernard-Henri Lévy:

> “Walk away from these games unless Beijing takes steps to reunite Uyghur families.”

A well-known Uighur activist in Washington remarked that no group could match the work ethic of Jewish activists in attacking China’s reputation:

> “Of all the groups taking up this issue, none have been more active than Jewish ones,” said Washington, DC-based attorney Nury Turkel.

Lacking self-reflection, Haaretz pondered in 2020:

> “Why are Jews protesting China’s Uighur genocide more loudly than Muslims?”

Over the past year, there has been a noticeable decline in the number of Jewish activists promoting the Uighur genocide myth. This is partly because the term “genocide” has become problematic for Jewish groups given the extermination of Gaza. Moreover, it is no longer seen as a strategic move for the US to take on too many international adversaries, especially with Iran now as the primary target.

Thanks for another excellent article Ron.

There is a quaint old English saying that “The Pen is mightier than the Sword”.

It is certainly very true.

Only in 2024, it should be updated to “The Internet is mightier than the Gun”

IMHO, the strongest weapon that the US Empire has is not its military, rather it is its control of the world information space.

The brave Udo Ulfkotte tried to warn us about it 7 years ago. Sadly he died soon after. Conveniently, or payback perhaps?

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I was talking to my boomer conservative father the other day. He’s convinced we’re going to war with China in the near future. When I press him by asking why we would want to do that, he mumbles about “communism.”. It’s crazy the propaganda that’s been foisted on Americans over the last few decades.

I happen to live in a section of a major city with a large Asian population. I have seen them frequently victimized by blacks while running clean,well-maintained businesses. I wonder if the George Floyd nonsense might galvanize the American Asian population into finally asserting themselves.

As I recall the Uighers started jihad against Han Chinese in the western regions by chopping people up with machetes in the street and then raided a boarding school at night attacking students in their dorms. Western administrations gaslight their populations about a tiny minority of extreme Islamisation in such cases but the Chinese administration dealt with the problem realistically, that it was Islam 101 that the jihadists were following, and the administration set up re-education centres to directly address the issue. Political Correctness in Western countries gaslighted people that these were prison camps akin to Stalin’s camps in the USSR, then upped the ante with genocide.

For one thing, ordinary tourists should avoid traveling at night in China, or they may have to worry about their weight the next day.

Genocide of the Uyghur, genocide of Whites in their home nations, genocide of entire generations of Ukrainians, genocide through “vaccines,” genocide of the Palestinians … oddly the Empire of Lies ran by the masters of Word Magic and inversion only promote the alleged Uyghur genocide and since one of their tiresome reflexive strategies is “accuse others of what you’re actually doing” one can easily puzzle out the real genocides.

I’ve never met anyone that gives a warm poop about the Uyghur, (iirc, they’re a breed of super Orcs bred by Sauroman) and cannot imagine any westerner anywhere caring yet it’s a big big deal to the alien trash that runs the US. They must be really scraping the bottom of their big barrel of lies yammering about the Uyghur.

It’s almost comical

How China Dominates EV Market

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How did China come to dominate the world of electric cars?
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/21/1068880/how-did-china-dominate-electric-cars-policy

Chinese electric truck makers accelerate global dominance even as they face trade hurdles
https://www.scmp.com/business/china-evs/article/3290862/chinese-electric-truck-makers-accelerate-global-dominance-even-they-face-trade-hurdles?module=top_story&pgtype=section

I have watched several YouTube videos of malls and train stations in China. Most impressive was the ultra cleanliness and modernity. I was specifically looking for graffiti on the trains or on walls of train stations. Not a single one could be seen. Most of all, both inside and outside the malls and train stations, your cell phone was all you needed for purchases, even with small street food vendors.

You shouldnt never trust american, british, their vassal states or anything that they control. Sure, Russia and everybody else can lie, but at least they know not to do it all the time. An american and a british lies all the time and he cant really help himself. Just lies after lies.

When it comes the wonder weapon of these scumbags, the colour revolutions, other countries are building methods and resilience to these tactics that they just keep repeating and repeating. Even a normal person now knows exactly what they will try to do to gain power and resources, with any means necessary.

People are just vomiting now, when american and british continue this deceptive virtue signalling of “moral”, “western values”, “freedom” and “democracy”. What moral, western value and democracy? American and british tell those to us and how we should be living? Like they have forced everybody to live for hundreds of years? Its really sickening and disgusting. Russia, China, India and everybody has also been pointing out about famous double standards of american and british. Russia mentioned these double standards even during tsarist times and they just keep using these same deceptive double standards.

Even jewish Henry Kissinger famously stated that its better to be a sworn enemy of american/british than their friend. Libya, Syria, Iran etc. have all felt that on their skin. Gaddafi in Libya and Assad in Syria have both felt what its really like to be a friend of american/british. Even kurdish terrorists are now getting short end of a stick with american and british.

By the way, american and british do not recognize concept of “a friend”. They make you feel like one, hugging you with both arms in a warm hug, but in reality you will never be their friend and they do not see people as “friends”, like normal human specie does. They call everybody their friend, while you will never be their actual “friend”, as well as they do their famous small talk, that means nothing in reality. You are just being used and manipulated by them. Everybody is just a potential target of manipulation and being used. People need to understand their “culture” of usery more to not be deceived by them.

The videos do a good job of highlighting technological prowess, but maybe not enough to assess the daily life interpersonal things that greatly impact one’s quality of life. I tend to extrapolate from my anecdotes and observations here in Orange County, California. I believe my Chinese-American doc, and my dog’s Chinese-American veterinary tech, possess positive traits that were one or two thousand years in the making. I have other examples, of a different type. I went back and reread Ron’s essay on Chinese racial roots, and I am more convinced than ever that “hardware� really really matters. I will add that I would not try to socialize with that doc or those similarly wired; I think it would fall flat. I could be wrong. And maybe that “software “ will change in a few generations.

“Over the last couple of generations, respectable American intellectual circles have severely anathemized this controversial topic…”

I think that’s a typo for “anathematized”.

The western world is run by The Economist magazine.

Enough said.

I am certainly no expert in China – in fact have never been there – but I sense that there is more about Chinese society that is disagreeable than public smoking and line-jumping.

Like, for example, the fact that it is an undisguised one-party state ruled by the tyrannical Chinese Communist Party, or it’s social credit system (much admired by globalist would-be tyrants in the west), or the insane COVID-regime they subjected their people to, to name a few.

Still, that doesn’t mean I would necessarily believe anything that Western media said about them, given that that media so frequently lies.

The dire predictions of China’s economy remind me of the same kind of predictions (by the same outlets too – The Times, The Economist, etc.) about Japan’s economy during the 90s and at least into the 2000s. I remember reading articles claiming that Japan’s economy was heading for ruin…………………while Toyota was the largest car manufacturing company in Japan. A few years later I read almost identical articles……………..while, by that time, Toyota had become the largest car manufacturing company in the World. What western, neo-liberal business writers were really bent out of shape about was that Japan’s economy was jealously guarded by the Japanese and was not open to Western financial predation. I expect the same applies to current complaints about China.

Just one more example of the depths to which Western governments and media have sunk. As Mr Unz observes, a relatively small difference in average IQ leads to a very significant contrast at the high end.

No one can read Western mainstream media or government statements without understanding that their output is tailored to the consumption of the uncaring, unheeding, thoughtless majority – “the gullible and the dim-witted”.

It is quite impressive how prophetic the famous science fiction writer Cyril M. Kornbluth was in stories such as “The Marching Morons” (published in 1951). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

It’s interesting that you brought up some China video bloggers. I happened to watch some videos of a White South African man documenting his life as an English teacher in Shenzhen, China over a decade ago. He uploaded videos of him touring around China on a motorcycle, interviewing random passerby’s and talking about various aspects of living in China.

He described it as generally safe with the exception of some petty crimes, and it was very easy for him to make friends and get into relationships because Chinese people generally had a very positive disposition towards White people. He had generally positive things to say about the country at the time but would sometimes upload videos about controversial topics like Chinese people’s spitting habits, Chinese people’s views on fat people, their views on race and interracial dating, etc. None of them seemed to draw the ire of the Chinese government.

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But Richard Geer said its true??

One hypothesis advanced by Prof. Kevin MacDonald is that the West has fallen under the control of a “hostile elite,� that for various reasons hates the population that it governs and has therefore deliberately sought to inflict harm upon its own society. Although I’m willing to accept that this might apply to a small fraction of those individuals, I’m skeptical that such animus is any broader than that. My own contrary explanation is that for the last generation or two, a substantial fraction of our ruling elites have consisted of parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths. But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.

“A small fraction”! Unz thinks only a “small fraction” of the Jews who control the US “hates the population that it governs”. This is preposterous! I’ll tell you what proportion of the Jews — the parasitic hostile elite — hates white Americans: practically ALL of them! It’s so damn obvious. Damn, am I disappointed in what I just read. Unz taking on Kmac head on right where it hurts the most: Kmac’s central thesis! Well, this cannot stand. Unz should clarify his alternative hypothesis in a major article or else most of us here will call him out on it, I’m sure: Bullshit, Mr. Unz! Bullshit!

The Jews have eviscerated America: full stop. 1950s America seems like a long-lost paradise because the Jews had not yet achieved full control back then, as they have since. And Kmac’s chapter on the 1965 Immigration Act in his magnum opus Culture of Critique is the smoking gun that explains a great part if not most of the gutting of America: just like Jack the Ripper was a Jew killer, the Jews are brutal, cruel, ruthless assassins who butchered up America beyond recognition.

It was the Jews who opened up the gates to the unwashed hordes of browns to shit on America’s gene pool. It was the Jews who poisoned America’s wells. There is nothing worse for a country than for it to be run by Jews. There is nothing worse for the world than for it do be dominated by Jews. JEWS ARE THE PROBLEM! Henry Ford had it right a century ago. The Jews are the world’s FOREMOST PROBLEM.

What is disheartening is that Unz himself can’t see it. Not only can’t he see it, he’s proposing an “alternative explanation”, no less. It’s right in front of his face, in the videos he linked on China above. Didn’t you notice, Mr. Unz, that both of the women, one American and one British, had non-white partners? Or did you link those videos on purpose, so that we would accept this Jew race-mixing subversion as normal? Are you surreptitiously trying to shove this grotesque genocidal Jew ideology down our throats?

So as for one of if not THE major problem of the West, instigated, organized and controlled by Jews — the invasion of brown and black hordes into white countries — Mr. Unz has no problem with it. Worse: he is probably IN ON IT! All his major articles on this topic point in this direction: when it comes to immigration, Unz is part of the problem. And now these links to the videos with these mud sharks just clinches it, doesn’t it? Disheartening, disappointing, and disgusting.

no, Chinese leaders imported would not be able to solve the western problems of lower and decreasing IQ, negroid testosterone and lack of impulse control, (((the chosen ones))), … except if you would allow them to somehow effectively remove huge numbers of people

The great Scott Horton (the Antiwar Radio one, not the attorney) has followed the Uighur scam for a decade or so.
He traces it back to one guy Adrian Zenz. A prototype Samantha Power.

Has anyone ever seen Ron Unz and Godfree Roberts in the same room? — asking for a friend.

On his old blog (still accessible), Steve Hsu covered China extensively, the ‘reality’ vs Western propaganda — he was also skeptical of the Uyghur genocide claim.

So it seems quite likely that our national government was so disorganized and poorly run that during 2019 some of its elements launched an unauthorized biological warfare attack against our Chinese and Iranian adversaries while their own president remained completely ignorant of what had taken place. Moreover, the illegal operation was so badly planned that the virus soon spread back into our own country, resulting in two years of severe social disruption while killing well over a million Americans.

I think that this unfortunate sequence of events much better fits into my own analysis of the reasons for America’s problems than that of MacDonald.

Well, you’re certainly entitled to your (self-serving) opinion, but overall I’d have to advise you: don’t quit your day job. Oh wait.

Unz, many long before you predicted all this on scientific grounds (IQ etc), the first one to my knowledge was Konrad Lorenz already! It is just again something that you were too long ignorant about, so don’t tell us that you were the one most optimistic about China.

Another white woman committing racial treason by destroying her white blood line.

Communist China: 73,237,000 victims. Source: R. J. Rummel: China’s Bloody Century, Genocide and Mass Murder since 1900, Transaction Publishers, 1991. Including Rummel’s correction from 2005.
Source: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM.

https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/china-tibet-and-the-uyghurs

I have never been to China but from my travels in Belarus and Russia I know the feeling of getting angry about the lies that had been told to me at home. Belarus especially is always painted as a despotic backwards place where all people are peasants dwelling in filthy hovels. The reality is that nowhere in Western Europe or the USA you will find a major city as clean, crime-free and efficiently run as Minsk.
When the administrators there discover a pothole, swarms of workers put in a night shift to repair the road without interrupting traffic during the day. Meanwhile, in my home country Germany you have bridges collapsing because the authorities can’t be bothered to fund even the most basic maintenance operations.
Through my work, I have insights into many sectors of society and am able to observe that not only the transport infrastructure is rotting away, but so is the energy sector, anything having to do with education and healthcare.
Although most people are not consciously aware of this malaise, they feel it in their bones and despair. In the past year – for the first time in German history ever – people not showing up to work because they were nursing hangovers became a major factor impacting productivity. This is the sort of thing you would have expected to hear about Omsk or Chelyabinsk in 1984, but this is happening in Munich and Hamburg 2024.
I am convinced that Western Europe and the USA are going through their own version of the Soviet 1980s, but since it is not reported in the mainstream, few people realize that they are living in a rerun of the final Soviet decade. A widely visible catastrophic event like Chernobyl has not yet occurred in the West, but the people at the top are doing their very best to make one possible if not inevitable.
Of course no one can predict what specific catastrophic event will become the visible beacon of decline, but the chances of one occurring are almost approaching 1.

A country with a difficult history of foreign exploitation, war and deep ingrained poverty but where the best brains are attracted to science and engineering and the populace knows it has to catch-up and knows it has problems to overcome contrasted to a country totally safe from foreign invasion with historically weak satellite neighbors but where the the best brains are attracted to financial speculation and moving money around and the populace totally brainwashed thinking their country is the best in everything and absolutely trusting in their corrupt and incompetent media-which country will owe the future? It certainly is a tough question to answer for us isn’t it, but future students of history will certainly be amused by early twenty-first America. Pride goeth before fall.

PS in regards to stats like Chinese shipbuilding capacity being 232 times greater than the US (!!!!)-remember that don’t matter, the key to future, according to our analysts, is to have a hugely-over financed social media platforms. Facebook (producing basically next to nothing) for instance is capitalized at 1.5 trillion dollars. USA! USA! USA!

What China has achieved seems like a miracle and in reality the world could have a similar development without having against it the western financial terrorism and the wars that racism and greed impose on the world in order to maintain domination.

Or even achieve a higher development because the money spent on economic terrorism and defending against its consequences would not be lost.

But in the West a small group will continue to accumulate more personal wealth but society will be poorer every day, while the victims throughout the world will continue to increase.

That is why what they fear most is the example of China, which took advantage of not having applied financial terrorism temporarily and is changing the world. And without robbing anyone, without killing anyone.

My radio chat show this morning (in London, ‘Talk TV’) started wittering on about how evil was the murderous, communist dictatorship of China so I switched it off. Ron’s article is a breath of fresh air.

What awoke me to the China reality was a statistic published widely years ago that in three years of the 21st century China used more cement than the United States used in the whole of the 20th century. I was smart enough then to know they didn’t use that cement just for making parking lots.

On the train trip video, Unz may have noticed that there were very few people anywhere they went in a country of 1.4 billion people, a country 3,000 miles wide from east to west, and 5,000 miles long from north to south at it most distant part. The roads had few cars; the children’s amusement park had no children in it; the malls were virtually empty of people; the train stations they passed had no people on the platform, the restaurant they went to had no people eating in it; the stores were empty. Unz did not find that odd?

It almost looked like the country was empty of people. Where are the people?

China has no people? Compare people walking on NYC streets:

https://www.gettyimages.com/search/more-like-this/1161240357?assettype=image&phrase=new%20york%20city%20people%20walking&family=creative&suppressfamilycorrection=true

This belongs in a reply to a Derbyshire diary, but was looking at the western calendar year next year.

You don’t have a career that long in ZOG and not be part of the scheme. So what is really going on?

Quotes a DC suburbanite system kid who is an environmental engineer/environmentalist but she loves China. China pollutes the earth like no other nation all in the name of international business. Yes with the help of it’s Jewish/western friends. Hahaha really looks like that pre-baked gog vs Magog wwIII plan is kicking into high gear. This gay earth needs a fresh start

Thanks for an interesting article.

Another thing I find disturbing is how all tech moguls have run to kiss Trump’s ring. You would expect this kind of thing in, say, Juan Peron’s Argentina rather than in an advanced nation. Perhaps this portends the same kind of concentration of political and economic power at the top as in Mexico or the rest of Latin America.

Ron, it would be helpful to know more about China’s extensive underground nuclear weapons launch facilities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Great_Wall_of_China

I hadn’t realized that hunger in China was still widespread and so prevalent that the ordinary people would resort to cannibalism.

Check this out. America has long been subject to Brit perversions of the truth but sadly, the Americans have caught the Brit disease, since most of this should sound familiar.

Excellent book The Mahdi by A J Quinnell, this drone phenomena could fit into a similar plan for the Second coming crowd 🙂

Another excellent and interesting article.

Thanks.

You obviously didn’t realize I was talking about our country’s excessive nighttime food, theater clown.
Maybe your IQ limits your thinking.

Regsrding your postscript: Not for long. We’ve outlawed Tik Tok as of 1/19.

after jews and their criminal rackets, niggers and their violent stupidity are the biggest downside to living in the US.

congrats to the chinks, they’ve gone from stalin/mao communism to national socialism with chinese characteristics. well done.

come on wang chung… he trolled you a bit. take it like a man and move on.

Having worked in China, I can attest to the people’s feeling of personal freedom and tremendous optimism. Regarding the Uyghurs, they are Muslim fanatics, you can find them in ISIS in Syria. Thank God the Chinese are practical and will assimilate them into the Han nation. Literally, it is genocide, but in the good sense.

The videos I’ve seen of China show a futuristic society from the sci-fi books I read as a kid. Watching these videos, you notice one thing, at least if you’re from NY, no blacks. None. Zero. When NYC had a tiny percentage of blacks, pre-1960s, I’m told by those who lived here, it was a pleasant place to live. LBJ made the decision that America’s biggest concern would be uplifting the negro, and that’s where the money went. Well, at least we have mega-rich black athletes and actors, now. At least our horrible civil service, ruined through affirmative action, employs a large number of incompetent negros. Southern Whites had solved the negro problem with segregation, that solution is now untenable. Lowest common demoninator always wins out. If we’re lucky, we’ll end up like Brazil, we could end up like Haiti.

Reply to self, didn’t place the ‘more’ tag myself, but see the reason. My comment had nothing to do with the article by Mr. Unz, I agree with parts of it and have nothing specific to add.

Year numbers are of course somewhat arbitrary, but I’m pretty sure that I’m the first to have noticed that 3^4 x 5^2 = 2025, also without the use of paper or a calculator.

The American population is historically very passive and highly susceptible to all sorts of ridiculous propaganda-it’s almost useless to persuade Americans otherwise once the elites decide to present the world one way as a means of social control.

This goes a long way towards explaining and validating your assertion, which sad to say I agree with

https://stylman.substack.com/p/divided-we-fall

September 11, 2024 Saudi Arabia accelerates decline of petrodollar by promoting petroyuan  

Saudi Arabia’s industry and mineral resources minister said his country will “try new things�—including using the yuan in crude oil deals—as Riyadh seeks to incorporate Chinese products such as electric vehicles, the C919 passenger jet, and renewable energy infrastructure. This marks a major shift, considering Saudi Arabia’s close ties with the United States gave rise to the petrodollar. 


 https://infobrics.org/post/42192

Jul 17, 2024 NATO Is Gunning For China

NATO is worried about nuclear war with both China and Russia. This NATO expansion of concerns will have a major impact on the rest of the decade.


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Like, for example, the fact that it is an undisguised one-party state ruled by the tyrannical Chinese Communist Party, or it’s social credit system (much admired by globalist would-be tyrants in the west)

It’s impossible for a society, especially this huge and ancient, to not have accumulated negative traits.

The ones mentioned, though, are not necessarily self-evident.

Japan, for example, has been ruled by one party since 1955; since 1945 if we count the name-change of that same party. Yet Japan consistently ranks atop all sorts of “democracy ratings”, and we’re all supposed to simply accept that the one party stays in power forever, because this is the will of the people, and should the people ever decide to vote for another party, it will surely win, and this is not happening simply because people are so consistently happy with their rulers.

The social credit system exists mostly inside the imagination of external observers. During covid times, the whole external world assumed that China was furiously vaxmaxing its citizens with its backward traditional jabs (while stubbornly refusing to order a billion doses of the holy gene-shots), while in reality people used not vax-passes, but phone-passes, based on their geolocation over the past fortnight. Not “did you take your shots”, but “where have you been”. Also somewhat scary and potentially inconvenient, but a far cry from the imaginary mandatory boosters. The difference between the social credit system’s reality on the ground and the way it is spun outside, is like that.

It’s weird that Asians have been historically associated with vice, as in the film Chinatown. Sure, Chinatowns have been vice districts but in terms of criminal behavior Asians are incredibly underrepresented. I think it was Phillipe Rushton who pointed out that the California penal system in the early 90s had like two Asian inmates.

Yeah, the US didn’t like some Tik Tok comments and Tik Tok wasn’t totally controlled by the various Western disinform agencies so it was banned to save democracy and nobody bats an eyelid.

Anyways, just a historic point to ponder-Japan, in the later part of the war, was totally decimated by the US , the key factor there being US production. Japan totally collapsed when US ship production hit three or four times in the various ship classes than that of Japan. Just three or four times. In 2024 we are talking 232 times! as much ship-building. Totally impossible to win a war in a peer-to-peer conflict if your enemy is outproducing you 232 times. In fact I seriously doubt there was ever such a huge production discrepancy in a peer-to-peer conflict in all of human history. So why is the US making an enemy of China? Is the US elite blind, ignorant or totally psychopathic or all three? (probably all three).

As far as plastics pollution (as just dumping plastics in the seas), India is number one, Indonesia and various African states are on the next tier.

North-east Asia, China, Japan, and the Koreas, is still quite bad, but vastly improved from before.

There is a rankings table for it.

Excellent and informative article. Thanks, Ron.
I liked the way you drilled past the liars at nyt & wsj and got to first hand, on the scene, independent sources.
A side by side comparison of US and China is important to consider.

One can make the case that Chinese govt a type of oriental-benevolent fascism with top leaders chosen for competence. They also have the distinct advantage of not having a large minority population of violent, very low IQ sub-Saharans. But what if they did and how would they handle it? An interesting thought experiment.

You should check out LittleChineseEverywhere. She is a Chinese Han citizen, speaks excellent English, can go where foreigners can’t, has a backpack drone to make stunning videos, rides her scooter all over the country, and is very charming.

I wish Mr Unz would stop his dalliances with small time youtube channels and go back to being a proper intellectual who reads books and the like. For all the real information on the new alternative media, there’s also considerable junk and a tendency for false positive narratives and the like. He is falling into this same trap of increasing marginal irrelevancy by turning his column into nothing more than a series of social media retweets

If America were led by decent people our national consensus would be, “Ho hum, we had our day in the sun, it’s good that a formerly impoverished people have finally got in gear and are fulfilling to their natural abilities. Good luck and godspeed.” But we are not led by decent people, we are led by sociopaths. Sociopaths consumed with envy, rage and hate, and their instinctive response to a successful adversary is to prepare for war, and war we will have. I pity China. Whatever martial energy the USA led West can muster up now is focusing on destroying China. Pity China, pity the world, pity decent Americans.

FYI Bankotsu, what the global media ignores.

Almost Half Of EV Owners Want To Go Back To Gas Cars, Study Finds

The study’s findings further suggest that the Biden administration’s EV push is struggling to land with American consumers after 46% of respondents indicated that they are unlikely or very unlikely to purchase an EV in a June poll conducted by The Associated Press and the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute.

 https://www.motor1.com/news/724788/half-ev-owners-american-switch-gas/

May 4, 2012 General Motors is becoming China Motors

General Motors is becoming China Motors. Forget the spin. The evidence is clear and convincing. Did U.S. taxpayers save GM for China? Listen to the candid comments of GM’s CEO.

What your YouTubers describe, as outsiders in a very insider-focused culture, are the results possible with an uber-nationalistic fascist, totalitarian government in an ethnically homogenous country that celebrates itself as the center of humanity and culture.

Sort of what the USA was headed for until we “won” WW2, and Comintern covert influence destroyed our culture from within.

What Enemy at the Gates, 2001 did to the mind of audiences. Barrier Troops never mowed down troops fleeing a failed attack. Soviet troops never sent in attacks with shared rifles. But we all saw them do it the Hollywood production.

Zeitzev was in tertiary education to be an accountant and an enthusiastic communist. Politically aware and consciously seeking glory for the USSR. Not an illiterate bumpkin as played by Jude Law.

Interesting compare and contrast of Enemy at The Gates and Saving Private Ryan in link.

The boomer can’t quite blame darkies.

In the 1957 movie A Face in the Crowd, a boorish media personality (played by Andy Griffith) becomes an “overnight sensation” and is soon being courted by companies and Congressmen. A political fixer with great power tells Griffith’s character that with the advent of television, there exists an almost limitless ability to control people and make them vote the “right” way.

That was 1957.

Ponder for a moment the exponentially greater power of our electronic media. Who owns it, who controls it, and who “gatekeeps” it? By the way, in the above-referenced movie, obviously the controllers were old-money White men, very patrician, and the words “Jews” or “Jewish” are never spoken.

Once installed, her Internet service worked perfectly, and the products she ordered online usually arrived in two or three days, with package deliveries dropped off a couple of times each day on a communal village rack close to her house. Although that rack was open, she never experienced any pilferage, and all her neighbors were very friendly. She didn’t have a car, but there was a twice-daily bus service that could take her to Hangzhou and one of its metro stations in forty-five minutes.

How interesting…

In other words, this Unz style article, typically characterized by being too elaborate to the point of boredom, indicates that China has become at large a real peoples dictatorship, a consumerist Valhalla of plenitude for the mobile masses, mixed with some enjoyable kitsch of tradition. Luckily mister Unz himself took the pains of going through a bombardment of peoples dictatorship selfie style ‘look how we are enjoying ourselves’ crap. Only to prove that the Uyghur genocide narrative is false?

You are correct, but the national Chinese government would not have subsidized, fed, and clothed a gigantic population of feral Africans in the first place.

It was ‘accidentally’ convenient.

Books are vehicles for ideology.

Walking tours of a modern city in China show the disparity between the American ideology’s claims and the reality.

Unz is correctly bringing this perspective to his audience.

The reality is that America is a has-been country with no future. Our cities are ghettos and warehouses for diversity. Nothing can wake a person up faster than doing a long walking tour of an Asian city on YT.

Yes, she is great to watch. But there is one problem though. She is Chinese.

Ron makes references to those other vloggers because they are of Western extraction, therefore more relatable to Western or particularly US audiences, and more likely to be believed by them.

We all know the US audiences reaction when they see an East Asian face describing a China that is not a dystopian hell hole. They will immediately dismiss that person as a “CCP agent” or “brainwashed by the CCP” or some other trite dismissal like that.

This is why I think the Chinese governments recent introduction of visa free travel to the citizens of some Western countries is a stroke of genius. The US government can spend billions in order to promote anti-China propaganda. But by one simple act of relaxing immigration rules, the Chinese side can nullify all that. Only it will take a little time for it to take effect.

A small war broke out in the late night shopping mall in Panjin, Liaoning.😲The duel between gangs for territory. pic.twitter.com/FFWYZS8WyK

— Sharing Travel (@TripInChina) December 16, 2024

It looks fun.

There is no social credit system in China. However, there is a feature in WeChat, a popular super app used for messaging and browsing, called a credit score. This score I think is based on factors such as how long you’ve been using the app and the number of connections you have. I experienced it firsthand when using a vending machine where you can select items from a fridge, and the sensors automatically debit your account. Before I could open the vending machine door, I had to scan a code and wait for my WeChat credibility score to be assessed.

after jews and their criminal rackets, niggers and their violent stupidity are the biggest downside to living in the US.

As their population grows in America, the violent, low-IQ, Muslims will soon be giving those violent, low-IQ, blacks a run for their money.

And who did the Black Population choose to listen to? Uhmmmmmmmm…..Jewish agitators. In the MSM and elsewhere. When you get down to it, there is only ONE group that spearheads all of this violence in White Western Countries. THEY are the problem.

Chinese farmers grow three times as much wheat as we do

and

Chinese wheat is healthier, better quality wheat.

Chinese dirt is healthier than American food.

Uyghers taking part in the Syrian hell?

Obviously, some aspects of Chinese society were disagreeable. For example, the couple disliked the fact that so many Chinese smoked and they were also irritated that older Chinese sometimes tended to jump queues.

China, get rid of Westerners.

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But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.

A third possibility: The American establishment promoted ideas of antiracism, egalitarianism, blank slatism cause the sought to a) integrate its minorities, b) draw goodwill from nonwhite countries during the cold war, c) attract migrants. Feminism to get women into the workplace to boost productivity on a short-term basis. But the ideology got out of hand until it became counterproductive; true believers came to dominate govt, academia, etc.; people begin to believe their own propaganda.

My own contrary explanation is that for the last generation or two, a substantial fraction of our ruling elites have consisted of parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths.

Yes! That’s what I think, too. Exactly that.

I think the system of government doesn’t matter as much as the people in it. And the West has cold-hearted ghouls.

However, in whatever system of government, maximum transparency over decision-making is a must. If not, one always ends up in a sociopath-run hellhole like the one we see all around us.

Not that I’ve noticed, but I do recall Unz openly mocking Roberts’ articles and his knowledge.

There is no “social credit system” in China. Talk to someone who’s been there, within the last 15 years. For example, people jaywalk there. OMG!

I see that Katherine is a fellow Virginia Tech graduate. Way to represent the Hokies!

And….and….and all during that time that Jews did what they done, Whites were frozen by a chemical similar to curare, or had a defective inactive gene turned on that made them immobile and mass hypnotized so that the undertakings (..takings, get it?) of them Jews was unopposed, unquestioned, and emitted only a simpering whimper.

Dey’s the Chosen Pipples, Ezekiel, and we’s got to lets them do wot dey wants, cuz Gawd sayed so.

When dey robs you, you gotta apologize and say, “Sorry, Mistofer Jewman, I aints got no more money this time fo’ yo’ ta steal”

Yes, that’s right, Gentiles have been locked up in chains in the Bastille for 2000 years while dem Chews too everthang, includin’ our good lookin’ wimmin.

Goy’s are drug addicts are Jews are their heroin.

I read Ross’s book based on your recommendation. It’s a good book. My favorite part was the way government officials were subjected to drug testing in 1908 or so. The test consisted of simply locking a man up in a comfortable apartment with all necessary provisions for 24 hours. If he could pass the night without falling to his knees at the door and begging with tears in his eyes for a pipe of opium, he was considered clean. Probably would still work.

An interesting read

Cab drivers and shopkeepers mostly. The only issue will be blacks passing off fake cash to Arab or Paki stall owners.

And today they are with massage parlors, human trafficking and gambling addicted elderly Asians.

If they are underrepresented in the jails than that just tells us about corruption.

The official GDP number from the Chinese gov. is Real GDP, not Nominal GDP. Here is an example:

2012GDP is ￥51.9322 trillion ，2011GDP is ￥47.1564 trillion

51.9322 trillion -47.1564 trillion =4.7758 Trillion, then divided by 47.1564 trillion = up by 10.1% And this is Nominal GDP.

Official inflation in 2012 was 2.2%

China’s official record was up 7.9%, I read some English web site sail China’s GDP was up 7.8% in 2012, but that 0.1% difference is all due to Rounding.

the following website said up 7.9%
https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/china?year=2012

In a way, China’s rise to high-tech marvel may be its downfall.

All across East Asia, the glitzy urban landscape has led to plummeting birthrates, and China is no different.

As impressive and dazzling as it all is, it emphasizes the individual consumer and career aspirations. Looking at all those high rises, everyone wants to be part of the elite. It’s elite or bust mentality.

Thus, family formation and communal identity are de-emphasized.

Urban living focuses on what you can eat, see, experience, and etc. as an individual. There is less emphasis on what it means for families and children.

Great narration and articles. China is less addicted to drugs it seems and has had more vital energy for labor, but much of Chinese manufacturing is due to robotics which could allow nations such as USA and India to develop parity with China in manufacturing. The main difference between China and USA is that in China the scholarly classes are also athletic, with moderate physical culture being ubiquitous. In The West it seems there is a historical divide between scholarly and physical pursuits, with Western physical culture sometimes being too difficult or complex for ordinary people. Qigong in China is often very simple calisthenics, whereas the Qigong that has been popularized in the West has been excessively complex at times. I don’t ascribe to notions of a hostile elite being to blame for USA’s situations, although there may be some hostility there, rather the public culture needs to be transformed for people to be better and the people collectively are responsible for their culture, especially in a age where our media is international. For instance I watch news apps from India on my TV, I don’t watch USA news, I watch mainly Chinese movies, both modern and Hong Kong Kung Fu movies from the 1980’s. The American People are who they are for good and bad due to themselves.

So although Americans have no high-speed trains and our cities are dirty and crime-ridden, we are still far ahead of the ignorant Chinese in certain other important matters, including leading the world in the number of different human genders we have recently discovered.

OK this is good.

The Hotpants Gungirl.

I suspect that as a part of some deal with an American intelligence agency, he and his wife were offered American permanent residency or citizenship if he used his YouTube channel with over 1 million subscribers to make anti-China propaganda videos

Spot-on. I can’t think of any other conceivable reason why an educated, reasonably-intelligent, honest and balanced White guy would ever want to do any such thing – except easy money /privilege / long-term private personal advantage. Which in turn says more about the current interests and traitorous motivations of even many of the higher-level Whites in the ruined and lost West than anything else ever could. What an arsehole.

“So it seems quite likely that our national government was so disorganized and poorly run that during 2019 some of its elements launched an unauthorized biological warfare attack against our Chinese and Iranian adversaries while their own president remained completely ignorant of what had taken place.”

Disorganization is not the simplest explanation for grave crime. The prima facie cause sits there in black and white open sources. CIA impunity is the obvious explanation for felony banned biological weapons use. A disorganized government would not have the capacity to stampede Trump around with a pointless murder plot against legally inviolable diplomatic personnel just as BWTC treaty parties publicly exposed Ralph Baric and the weapon he invented. Trump’s “disorganized” CIA handlers kept it up until contagion reached the ankle of the curve and intensified.

CIA’s illegal own-goal epidemic was not a fuckup, it was OPSEC undertaken to obscure attribution of their germ warfare sneak attack. CIA’s illegal mass medical experimentation was a ruse to disguise banned biological weapons development as response – as Risch testified in Congress. CIA later tacked on some prototype extermination programs to maximize mass hysteria and free up resources. When Taiwanese genetic analysis demonstrated a US origin for SARS-COV2, passengers at O’Hare got penned together in ideal conditions to re-introduce mutated variants from all over. Disorganized incompetents are unlikely to fuck up so perfectly, optimally bad.

The facts amassed in this post are compelling but the concluding inference is still coloring inside the lines of CIA propaganda. It’s worthwhile recapping some Parenti’s criteria for Stuff You Can’t Come Out and Say.

1. Mistakes my ass, these are not mistakes. CIA’s NPV>>0. They produced cheap “poor man’s” WMD to counter conventional forces they can’t match. They invested in murderous hospital incentives to exterminate casualties and reduce recurring costs of care.

2. CIA is not disorganized. They compartment programs and information to conceal criminal activity. That requires meticulous organization: classification guides, OPSEC plans, complex informal arrangements for precise arm’s-length control. It worked like a charm (for them, not for you.)

No we don’t need to organize the government. We need to end impunity. You end impunity by punishing criminals. When the fence on Colonial Farm Road gets festooned with hundreds of Marlowe’s psycho DO scumbags hanging off of meathooks, then we’re getting somewhere.

East Turkestan (Xinjiang) is being Sinofied through sheer demographic swamping and this is no accident. There are even explicit policies to encourage miscegenation between Han Chinese and Uyghurs through financial incentives. One of the weddings shown by Katherine was a mixed one. And I doubt very much she would get her hands dirty and start asking questions from locals about who has gone missing and who is currently internment camping. Just another free spirit roaming the countryside to have a good time.

Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.

So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?

https://uhrp.org/report/forced-marriage-of-uyghur-women/
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

I’ve been watching these vloggers too. I would also recommend the Brit/Aussie Jerry Gray’s ‘Jerry’s Take on China’, American Kevin Walmsley’s ‘Inside China Business’ and South African ‘Because I’m Lizzy’.
As a side note, ‘Oriental Pearl’ is an American girl who, although she married and now lives in Japan, recently studied in China.

By Capitalist (Jewish) measures, the Chinese have pulled a miracle, from rags to riches. By any civilized measure, they have stumbled badly. In 1980 most Chinese families had some land free and clear, were self sufficient in food, had almost zero debt, and could afford large families.

Militarily they stymied the United States in Korea in the 1950’s and defeated the United States in Vietnam in the 1960’s and decisively by 1975. Surely they were weaker than Haiti!

Today the Chinese are bottled up in beehive sized apartments and condos, and they own no land. To the extent that they own anything at all they are deeply in debt for it. They have been almost totally stripped of the ability to buy anything in cash, and are slaves to a cellphone.

With the social credit scheme the people have lost their freedom. Be an obedient robot or your card is shut down and your life is ruined. But man oh man, look at that shiny building over there! A miracle! The greatest in history!!!

But miracle or not, the young people cannot afford to even marry, much less have children. Grandparents could afford six children, but young Chinese today are taxed out even by one child.

Yes, by every Jewish standard this is an economic miracle. They are commiting auto genocide. The perfect Goyim. It is so wonderful!

Weird that such MYTHS about Soviets bloodbaths actually GREW after the Russians opened their archives and a lot of Western myths about the Russians could actually be double-checked and seen to be myths. Just a month or so ago, I was debating a man who cited statistics that Stalin killed 54 million people in the USSR and that 7 million were executed after Stalin! Or the obviously false fact that Soviet barrier troops executed 10 million Soviet soldiers is now accepted without question or even the fact that the Russians were not invited to anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

In the Cold War bizarrely, Western propaganda about the Russians was much more respectful and realistic (for instance, US Army analysis of Red Army performance from the fifties to the eighties almost never mentioned barrier troops-the emphasis came AFTER the Cold War)-also most professional analysis back then (again fifties to the eighties) actually accepted the fact that West is not all-good and is partially responsible for the Cold War.

I guess Putin coming in and stopping the looting of Russia so enraged the financial elites in the West that they lost all rhyme and reason and pulled out all stops in propaganda.

Interesting-as a person who was a bit active in the social sciences when younger and who worshipped the famous social scientists (Mead, Skinner, Eysenck et al) in my old age I am beginning to doubt that these scientists really had the intention of reducing conflict but instead had a hidden agenda financed by the various elites to understand how conflict can be created, directed and utilized. Take the famous Milgram experiment-superficially it is about how obedience to authority can easily lead us into atrocities. In my old age, however, I am now understanding that it was largely research how to utilize and enhance obedience to authority.

All racial groups have vices but East Asians generally tend to be much less criminal-prone than other races although yes corruption and gambling are quite common among East Asians. Nevertheless, corruption-wise the US probably takes the cake-after all, the hatred of the US elite for the US population is probably the highest in the world something that really cannot be said of the Chinese or Japanese elite for their own people.

China’s success may have nothing to do with communism vs. capitalism.

Which country has a higher average individual income, Taiwan or China? Taiwan.

Which country is more egalitarian (as measured by Gini index), Taiwan or China? Taiwan.

The human material that economy and society are based on is likely the decisive factor.

One hypothesis advanced by Prof. Kevin MacDonald is that the West has fallen under the control of a “hostile elite,� that for various reasons hates the population that it governs and has therefore deliberately sought to inflict harm upon its own society. Although I’m willing to accept that this might apply to a small fraction of those individuals, I’m skeptical that such animus is any broader than that. My own contrary explanation is that for the last generation or two, a substantial fraction of our ruling elites have consisted of parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths. But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.

It’s obviously a blend of the two, but also coupled with a bunch of “new age social engineering idealogues” that believe in what are obviously, just absurd social programs, that despite failing repeatedly, they keep choosing to “double-down” on-

Totally unrestricted illegal immigration- even as they utterly wreck border towns, and beyond. Even if they have to sleep on the streets at night, who cares, we just need more!

Needle Exchanges (and other obviously flawed approaches to drug addicts, like passing out free drugs and giving them a place to use them) – these lunatics that will treat the symptoms “with so much compassion”, but none of that compassion extends to ending their lives of drug addiction instead? It’s sick!

No Cash Bail- once again, these supposed “do-gooders” act like 99% of people arrested are innocent, poor, and destitute, so they want to let all of them go, so they can commit more crimes. This is logic that any 10 year old child could defeat, but here we are, fueling raging crime all over the nation, even letting known violent and deadly criminals back onto the streets, as fast as possible.

The LGBTQ+ Brigade- that are committed to teaching kids to become gay, trans, drag queens or just plain old freaks.

Homelessness- making it legal, letting them run wild, destroy every public space, and basically live outside of the law (when coupled with no cash bail), and whatever these idiots are doing to “fix it”, seems to fuel it to grow exponentially.

Pilfering the entire federal, state, and local budgets- because for a country that spends so much money on this place, it’s in complete decay in every category, so wherever this money is going, NONE of it appears to be fixing anything anywhere.

Racial Justice- which is code doe letting minorities run rampant, but crucify Whites only.

I’m just saying, there are a lot of people that believe in all this shit, and they are the third group that really makes it worse and grow.

Video loggers have their own agenda. You can’t expect them to record anything seriously negative about China, Shenzen is a show case city, a satellite of Hong Kong. The Universities even the basement ones, are paradises for expat teachers. But third world poverty and squalor pervade outside the shining futuristic edifices. My suspicion is an algorithm had shown that the CCP would collapse by the early 2020s. So the leadership imposed Covid-19. As someone in comments above wrote. Covid passes showed not their vaxes but their travels. The leadership double crossed the WEF by not importing the Western vaxes. The rebels against the lock downs can now be eliminated. The people are now under complete surveillance and dissent is now impossible.

And today they are with massage parlors, human trafficking and gambling addicted elderly Asians.

If they are underrepresented in the jails than that just tells us about corruption.

It’s true that Asians seem to have an obsession with gambling. Jared Taylor, who grew up in Japan, has talked about this. Macau is the gambling capital of the world.

When it comes to massage parlors, I wonder what percentage of immigrant groups are represented in prostitution. I suspect Asians are less represented than blacks or Hispanics.

Ask yourself: if an immigrant population was moving next door to you, would you rather it be black, Hispanic or Asian?

They also have the distinct advantage of not having a large minority population of violent, very low IQ sub-Saharans. But what if they did and how would they handle it? An interesting thought experiment.

2012: tens of thousands of sub-Saharans settle in the megapolis of Guangzhou https://www.npr.org/2012/04/27/151300553/in-southern-china-a-thriving-african-neighborhood

2016: it appears there is rising pressure for the sub-Saharans to buzz off https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/26/asia/africans-leaving-guangzhou-china/index.html

2022: where did all the sub-Saharans go oy vey https://www.africasacountry.com/2022/06/africans-in-china-are-on-the-move

The only thing China has going for it is the collapse of the Western World.

America was a great nation because of the prosperity of its agriculture (meat-packing was the #1 industry in the early 1900s), but that wealth was siphoned off by the Jew bankers. For a time, a head start in industry with ample natural resources (consider that South America’s Southern Cone lacks coal, oil and gas) provided the resources and population for massive industrialization.

The Jews running America (into the ground) started their arrangement with China 50 years ago: a backward, tyrannical, and downright insane regime – like a giant North Korea. Things have undoubtedly improved markedly in China. China’s productivity and development are immense, as America and Western Europe’s stagnation have created a social morass in which all progress and activity is systematically impeded. However, China’s “civilization” is only skin deep. The barbaric coolie overthrew the Mandarin, and China is a nation of “technocratic coolies” – woe betide the nations under their domination.

For now the Chinese may be performing a largely positive role in the world. (as America once did). The negatives are coming, get ready.

Many modern problems and misunderstandings stem from ignorance of the earliest history (many still don’t want to hear it even today), where Uyghurs and Chinese assert their primacy in Xinjiang.

Wiki: “The earliest inhabitants of the region encompassing modern day Xinjiang, were genetically of Ancient North Eurasian and Northeast Asian origin, with later geneflow from during the Bronze Age linked to the expansion of early Indo-Europeans…

… Between 2009 and 2015, the remains of 92 individuals in the Xiaohe Cemetery were analysed for Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA markers. Genetic analyses of the mummies showed that the paternal lineages of the Xiaohe people were of European [41] origin, while the maternal lineages of the early population were diverse, featuring both east Eurasian and west Eurasian lineages.�

Unlike the majority of Indians who still assert that (white) Aryans originated and departed India (and not one left there) to populate the whole world, Chinese write pretty much realistically (I read phd theses) about the ‘northern people’. The above-mentioned European people were the northern stream of Aryans, who lived in Xinjiang for more than 2000 years before Chinese came and after them Uyghurs.

It is well known when Uyghurs came to Xinjiang – in 842 AC. Chinese lived there since the 6th c.AC. Before them in this area and in Tarim Basin, for 2500 years lived Serbs Aryans. They were one branch of Aryans who moved north in today’s China, Tibet, Xinjiang, while the southern stream went to India. There are still thousands of Serbian toponyms in this area (can be provided to serious researchers).

Serbs coexisted with Chinese for more than a thousand of years, they had wars, long peaceful coexistence, in some periods Serbs protected Chinese villages from Mongols and were paid for this. The growth of local population pushed some Serbs north to Siberia (which got the name from them), some were assimilated (there are clips on Internet presenting blonde, blue-eyed Chinese), while some Serbs headed back to their old homeland. This voyage lasted for several hundreds of years and many settled somewhere on their way back (C.Asia, Anatolia), but some reached Balkan, too.

A small number of returnees to their original homeland even brought elements of folklore from their later homeland, e.g., one of the preserved songs is The Girl from the Choy River (the Chu River on the border of Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, and Xinjiang).

By the way, american and british do not recognize concept of “a friend�. They make you feel like one, hugging you with both arms in a warm hug, but in reality you will never be their friend and they do not see people as “friends�, like normal human specie does. They call everybody their friend, while you will never be their actual “friend�, as well as they do their famous small talk, that means nothing in reality. You are just being used and manipulated by them. Everybody is just a potential target of manipulation and being used. People need to understand their “culture� of usery more to not be deceived by them.

The words and behavior of our politicians and intelligence operatives do not represent us. What you describe are textbook symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder– the kind of disordered thinking that leads one to irrationally believe they are “chosen” or otherwise better and more-deserving than the other animals. The types of people who hold power here are the ones most adept at treachery and deception–winning by any means necessary.

Integrity is only ever a weakness and liability. It means you play by a clearly defined set of rules, which invites opportunities for attack by pirates and others who like targets that can be trusted– to act predictably.

Taiwan, Japan, S Korea are relatively small and have the US cheat factor.

China’s rise also has the US cheat factor – cheat its own citizens.

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Ron,

Sometime I’d like to see you talk about the “other” China propaganda, whereby there is a whole group, like Gordon G. Chang, that endlessly prophesize about “China’s pending collapse”, and many other topics to convince the west that in spite of everything you see, and all the metrics, and everything, it’s really just some Potemkin Nation on the verge of falling apart.

Like some of the other stuff, I believed it… for the first 10-15 years of hearing it. However, now? I’m guessing it was all hooey!

Love you work!

I was scratching my head wondering why people are claiming China’s economy is struggling given their projected 5% growth rate for 2024 is healthy by Western standards.

China can pull whatever number out of its ass and call it it’s current year GDP growth. After all it has the advantage of jailing whoever publicly disagrees.

For the record some economists claim the 5% number is inflated and China will only experience 2-3% annual growth in the next five years.

For the record China claims that Real Estate Construction used to be around 30% of its economy before the crash and that RE have been down around 30% per year since the crash started. That means that on year 1 of the crash, RE accounted for only 21% of China’s GDP 30% * (100%-30% or .7) = 21%. In other words, ignoring all other factors, China’s GDP went down 9% (from 30% to 21%) in the first year of the crash, just from the RE crash.

Let’s do some simple math.

Year 0 of the crash (2020) RE accounted for 30% of China’s GDP.
Year 1 of the crash (2021) RE Accounts for 21% (30% *.7) of China’s GDP.
Year 2 of the crash (2022) RE Accounts for 14% (21%*.7) of China ‘s GDP
Year 3 of the crash (2023) RE Accounts for 10% (14%*.7) of China’s GDP
Year 4 of the crash (2024) RE Accounts for 7% (10*.7) of China’s GDP.

So in the 4 years of the crash China’s GDP went down a massive 23% (from 30% down to 7%) because of the RE crash.

Combine that with with around 2 million highly paid foreign workers leaving China, and with 30 million highly paid (for Chinese workers) Chinks losing their jobs as foreign companies left China, the massive Wuhan Flu lock downs, and you have to wonder … Is China in a recession? or Is China in a depression???

My money is on the depression! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

With such a HUGE dive in construction activity and the subsequent bad debts to RE Construction companies and to home purchasers, Banks are now limiting withdrawals as well as cutting salaries.

The perfect Western ubermensch-a moronic racist thug. PIG ignorant and brainwashed, too.

Another racist moron. Taiwan has been subsidised by the West for decades. As for ‘human material’, you are a prime example of why the West’s ‘human material’ is so fifth-rate, hence its collapse.

In the West, where indebtedness and inequality and poverty are all growing, the ruling elites need monsters to distract the dumber proles. Internally there are blacks, ‘welfare queens’, transgender lunatics, ‘liberals’, ‘conservatives’, supporters of other sport teams etc-take your pick.
And, crucially, as this is a global Empire, there must be foreign devils eg Moslems, ‘terrorwists’, ‘Jew-haters’, Iran, Russia, and, towering over all others, the race and civilizational enemy, China. The FRENZY of Sinophobic hatred, particularly in the Five Eyes shit-holes, grows by the day.

If you want to be a clown, you can also act silly in the comments section.
People who act stupid should be weeded out.

Since prices are already low in our country, it is totally inappropriate for you to compare taiwan’s salary with our salary. The difficulty of buying a house in Taiwan is even higher than ours.
In comparison, Taipei is not even as good as our second-tier cities here.
But it doesn’t matter if you want to prove that capitalism is better.
Then I can tell you that the model we adopt in China is actually orthodox capitalism:
Not too much corruption, no referendum for idiots only, efficient government, waste is shameful, all resources should be used efficiently.
The so-called voting system in the West is like a bunch of clowns performing acrobatics on a stage.
Ah, if you want to prove that our Chinese success has nothing to do with the adoption of capitalism and communism, isn’t that proof that we are a higher species than you?

The Russians are still lying about how many soldiers they lost in 1941, and Westerners are largely complicit in that.

Anybody that suggests “you should do ___� that isn’t your parent or boss is trying to influence you into something you shouldn’t.

lol, never listen to anybody, because they’re narcissists. Take a look in the mirror, man.

What people should do, when they are young, is carefully read and reread Lord Chesterfield’s Letters to his Son and the Art of Worldly Wisdom by Gracian.

This helps one understand the problem of discretion, the lack of discretion being a grave problem among historically heavy drinking high trust Northern Europeans.

We claim that UTTER HONESTY is needed to fix the dishonesty, mandatory lies of Western Leftist dogmatism.

I agree that honesty is a necessary ingredient to America’s recovery. I am not American but I agree with Thomas Jefferson: “Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom”.

Honesty may even be sufficient: in order for it to be ingrained again in U.S. culture, so many things must change that you will have a new culture.

The official WEST POINT Honor’s code is necessary.

I’m not sure that even West Point still respects the West Point honor code. For example, in 1986 Mike Pompeo graduated FIRST in his class in that academy — and he is mostly famous now for talking about lying, cheating, and stealing (link).

Chinese Urbanism is not too dissimilar to Brazilian or modern European urbanism. America has some good examples of Good Urbanism in its campuses, in Charleston, in Alys Beach, seaside, Williamsburg and Miami. Of course China like Brazil is more pragmatic and does acceptable urbanism de rigueur not as a luxury product. America could reform and also re segregate itself through small scale urbanism

Agree, except West Point honor code is dead. Now a West Point loyalty code to Tel Aviv.

Ron Unz is right that those YouTube travelogue videos to Xinjiang and Tibet debunk the Western media lies to a large degree because most of these videos are produced by apolitical people documenting their trips. But what I don’t understand is why these YouTube videos are allowed to be posted in the first place. YouTube is an American company owned by Google. Why does the US government not ban these kinds of videos? These kinds of videos did a lot of damage to their propaganda, and they must know it, yet these videos are still allowed to be posted. What is the explanation for this?

My, such a bleeding heart for the Uighurs.

Perhaps you should set a good example for the “CCP” and move back to your mother country in Europe, and return the USA to the Red Man?

Someone who does not even understand the principles of PPP should refrain from talking about economics…..unless he is attempting to do comedy.

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When I talk with many of my friends in the west I cannot help but think of the frog in the slowly heating pot of water.

Some of the frogs seem to like their “jacuzzi” and insist on staying there.

Even honest views such as yours are often dismissed out of hand. No doubt you will have experienced accusations for being a “CCP shill” etc for telling how it really is in China.

The sad thing for me, is that China does not want to be an enemy of the West. To her, the world is big enough for everyone to prosper. It is the West that is intent on making the East an enemy.

Aesthetically, it’s almost funny how China is frozen in 1965 America. The politburo literally read all our history, and pick and chose what they liked. It’s a mercantilist society, which is why it blew the “free trade” argument out of the water, and blew out “true socialism” argument at the same time.

AFAIK as the Uyghurs are concerned, I tend not to lionize or demonize the forced assimilation. The fact is Han Chinese massively outnumber the Uyghurs, and are literally genetically flooding Xinjiang, East Turkestan, what ever you want to call it.

Yet another moronic, pig ignorant, racist, brainwashed Yankee Doodle dick-head. Knows nothing and is proud of it!

The only people guilty of miscegenation were your parents, you vicious, racist, jihadist apologist. TENS of millions of Chinese and foreign tourists visit Xinjiang, and NONE report oppression. That is ZERO, you dirty swine. ‘Forced marriage’??!! A new lie. How humans come as filthy as the likes of you still amazes me.

You know, you’re right.

You know another man that seems pretty based? James Howard Kunstler … makes a lot of sense.

But want to see his mask fall? Go read his columns for the first week after 7 October

Now, I wonder what Mr. Unz and Kuntsler have in common? Once you understand that the Rabbi run ghettos were quite literally breeding pits with survivors selected and certain gene expressions culled, things will make more sense

By body count, Mao is “the devil” that Hitler popularly is. Arguably, the worst dictator in known written human history is Genghis Khan. Most Chinese are immune to holocaust blackmail because of this truly holocaust history. Have a sense of historical proportion, will you!

The commie is too thick to realize it …

Perhaps our controllers are not as all-powerful, or as vigilant as we assume them to be. There is a time lag between a phenomenon, and the reaction to that phenomenon.

These videos are a relatively recent thing. They were few in number before China relaxed her visa free travel changes in March 2024. …Then they exploded.

We shall know soon enough if the Controllers have caught wind of the loophole in their Propaganda Firewall….such videos will be demonetised or removed from our Youtube suggestions.

I tend not to lionize or demonize the forced assimilation.

One needs to decide for himself whether the allegations of “forced assimilation” are true or not.

1. If one watches the videos, one would see the Uighur language and culture everywhere, it even features on Chinese banknotes. There are more mosques in Xinjiang than the whole of Europe.

2 During China’s infamous One Child Policy days, the non-Han minorities were exempt from the one-child restrictions.

For a government that has shown impressive efficiency and effectiveness in achieving all they set out to do, they seem remarkably bad at turning the Uighurs into Hans.

Amazing what a country can do when other countries send their productive capacity to yours and you are not ruled by people who hate you.

“One hypothesis advanced by Prof. Kevin MacDonald is that the West has fallen under the control of a “hostile elite,â€� that for various reasons hates the population that it governs and has therefore deliberately sought to inflict harm upon its own society. Although I’m willing to accept that this might apply to a small fraction of those individuals, I’m skeptical that such animus is any broader than that. My own contrary explanation is that for the last generation or two, a substantial fraction of our ruling elites have consisted of parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths. But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.”

I think Kevin MacDonald’s main overall point is that it is probable that there exists the operation of Darwinian group-selection strategies within the Jewish-ethnic genome. You yourself have concluded that as things currently stand, Zionist Israel (the supposed tail) wags the dog (American hegemonic power). And parasitic sociopathic elites, both American gentile as well as American Jewish, do indeed abound, as you say, yet at a hugely substantial over-weighting among the Jewish ethnicity in America, at probably 10x the Jewish American demographic otherwise, rendering American sociopathic elites at something like 25% Jewish.

Perhaps a parasitic Darwinian group-selection strategy naturally harbors psychological animus for the much larger out-group. That shoe fits too (i.e – there is substantial evidence for said animus). It is quite probable that in America there are two varieties of parasitic sociopathic elites. The regular more singular variety, among such gentile parasitic sociopathic elites, and then the group-selected variety, among such Jewish parasitic sociopathic elites. This would well explain why the 25% component of the overall American parasitic sociopathic elites (at 25%, being ‘the tail’) wags the dog (i.e. – control the larger overall group made up of all American parasitic sociopathic elites tending to be much more singular in ‘unwarranted and criminal selfishness’, among the gentile component). Kevin MacDonald is suggesting that sociopathy, normally quite damaging for any overall group, has been weaponized as a boon, for the Jewish ethnicity, by way of Darwinian group selection strategies. It is high time this Kevin MacDonald hypothesis, is deeply analyzed.

Israel Shahak’s historical studies of rebbe-coerced back-breeding (to fix coveted traits) which of course therefore entails in-breeding (along with in-breeding’s usual inherent downsides otherwise), among Ashkenazi of yore in Eastern Europe, is quite the interesting historical breadcrumb around Kevin MacDonald’s hypothesis-contentions.

The only issue will be blacks passing off fake cash to Arab or Paki stall owners.

Good point. Toxic Diversity does bring occasional amusements among the wreckage.

Ruthless Inscrutable Representin!

The western world is run by The Economist magazine.

Enough said.

Not quite. The western world is run by the same people who run The Economist magazine. (And most of the other mass media, not incidentally.)

So it’s not their anthem?

At 10:30 on a Monday morning in the US, do you see a lot of people in shopping centres, railway stations, and restaurants? Why aren’t they at work?

America has a very effective MSM propaganda machine to CONvince people to migrate to the land of suffocating taxes and political serfdom.

The large American cities have been decaying for the last five or six decades. corruption and sloth.

Have you noticed that next year can be expressed by four simple numbers: 2, 0, 2, and 5?

That’s valuable research.

The “turn” against China, which Wall Street/Corporate America was largely responsible for creating, was also heavily propagandised through the Murdoch media, Murdoch having an Orthodox Jewish mother and being miraculously and rapidly floated to the top of the world media stage by Jewish money.

Somebody else up there described Shenzhen (it’s not Shenzen by the way) as being some kind of inferior to Hong Kong. Absolute nonsense, it was that way years ago but the situation is now reversed.

Well, this is partly because Hong Kong has been trashed to some degree. It is no longer the sophisticated, bustling international crossroads it once was. Now it’s much more like any other Chinese city, only a bit more scenic. I’ve just returned from a week there and I have no intentions of visiting again. At this point I prefer Shanghai, not to mention Singapore.

Arguably, the worst dictator in known written human history is Genghis Khan. Most Chinese are immune to holocaust blackmail because of this truly holocaust history.

Weren’t the Han Chinese among the biggest victims of the Mongols?

There is a rankings table for it.

This one? 🙂

J/K, this is several years old now. The Philippines has lately been making a play for #1. India and Indonesia object, saying Hold My Beer, which (naturally) they serve in a plastic cup.

China has created the greatest economic, social and scientific/technological advance in history. This ENRAGES Westerners who believe that they are ‘God’s Chosen People’, destined to rule humanity, forever. The race hatred is palpable, and near to a religion in the Five Eyes kakistocracies.
Today I saw a very unsurprising report in the sub-fascist UK Telegraph. It was all about some gaggle of Uighur butchers involved in the rape of Syria. The Uighurs have been there all along, and gained a reputation for brutality, even in that mob. And, guess what-they vow to attack China next. Needless to say, the she-male presstitute, judging from her name some sort of Chinese compradore, treated the jihadist animals as a group of heroes.

Hatred and rage is the very essence of Judaism. They hate the goyim with unspeakable cruelty ever at hand-see Gaza. They hate one another, the rabbinical, Talmudists hate the seculars, the political groups hate one another, the Diaspora is increasingly estranged from the Israeli settler tendency etc.
Add to that the delusions of UNIVERSAL supremacy, their imagined group divinity, the narcissistic self-pity, the paranoia, the unscrupulousness, the nepotism etc, and you have a toxic brew. These characteristics do not, naturally, apply to all Jews, but that is one of the clues as to why the worst of them are so very toxic.
Good, decent, human Jews have left the genocide cult over the centuries, converting out to other religions, ideologies, philosophies, or none. They still do in out-marriage, the ‘loss of precious Jewish souls’ as the Talmudists say. Thus the toxin has been concentrated over the centuries, evil so grotesque, as we see in the Gaza genocide, as to affront human conscience. But, as the Jewintern controls the West, we are ORDERED to worship them for their orgy of sadism and evil. A true, End Times, sign on the road to Hell.

‘Serbs protected Chinese villagers’? Do you mean ‘The Seven Serb Samurai’? That Kurosawa, what a plagiarist, or was he Serbian, too?

How about you lobby the Chinese government to make Christmas a holiday, and you’ll see people everywhere.

It’s not bad, don’t get me wrong. If you look up Turkic/Mongol history, IMO, you would think, “what the fuck is up with these people!” “Look at just how good the Chinese are!” is a deadpan sound to me, because IMO, it’s a heuristic I have to try and avoid lionization/demonization, which I see all the time.

It’s not about turning the Uyghurs into Hans, it’s about “civilizing the population and keeping proportion.” Han settlers have moved west into Xinjiang for decades now. I don’t know about intermarriage, though. Think of countries like Belgium, Scotland, Wales etc.
IMO, every nation should have a state, but Realism, other Great Powers, and “spheres of influence” get in the way, understandably.

It wouldn’t be surprising. Throughout history pretty much all govts seek to break down local identities, homogenize the population. More through coercion than force. Didn’t China do this in Tibet?

Word of warning:

Don’t relax visa rules too far.
Remember the ethnic composition of ‘western’ nations.

I’m vicious? What a hysterical reply. First of all, I am in Europe. Are you by any chance Chinese… and where do you live?

You completely missed the point about citizen journalists and travel bloggers not reporting on anything negative. The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon of a state that monitors people like mad and restricts their ability to work, get a loan or travel if they don’t tow the party line. It doesn’t even allow Facebook or Youtube while their domestic social media is so tightly controlled that keywords and names are insta-blocked on a large scale. You internment camps are open to the public for inspection? Westerners who’ve filmed much less have had their footage destroyed at the airport. I’m simply amazed that people don’t find it a red flag that freedom of religion is not even tolerated. Uyghur Muslims aren’t even allowed to have long beards. Christianity is banned and the Ten Commandments must be replaced with a portrait of Xi in every household. I think we know who the apologist here is.

As for your instruction to “give back the USA to the red man” that is one of the dumbest anachronisms for obvious reasons, but, let’s make this interesting and argue the moral point. Why is the USA such a magnet for all of the colored people of the world in a way that China is not? Why is USA so free and China not free? Why do thousands of Chinese fly to Guam to give birth and get citizenship for their offspring? Why do Chinese commit so much espionage and patent theft? Why are so many things in China fake and counterfeited? Why does China have to import baby milk formula from high-trust countries? When will Uyghurs and Tibetans get sovereign reservations, casino licenses and other perks? Is White Americans “stealing” undeveloped land centuries ago that bad compared to Chinese annexation of ancient Xinjiang and Tibet in 1946-50? Looking forward to your answers.

Unz:

But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.

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The two ideas are impossible to distinguish.

Of course there is a way. A good social scientist just needs to figure it out.

1. Identify the harmful ideology promoted and policies enacted .
2. Identify their originators.
3. Identify the motivations of the originators by:
a) Do they apply these ideas/policies in their own lives?
b) Do they apply these ideas/polices in their own country (Israel, if we identify that the originators are Jews as MacDonald says)?
c) Examine what they say in forms which we can believe are honest (e.g. personal diaries, letters).
4. Look at comparison countries which we know are not run by hostile elite. Are they following similar ideologies and policies (e.g. United Arab Emirates).

To my understanding, MacDonald does a good job of 3(c) but where he fails is identifying patronage. For example, he looks at Adorno’s ideology and his motivations and concludes that his project was a hostile one. But he focuses almost exclusively on the intellectual rather than the patron, the individual or institute, that promoted and enacted the policies. The patron is by far more important cause you can find a quirky intellectual to preach and expound on pretty much any idea you wish for. Focus more on Frederick III and less on Martin Luther.

Somebody else up there described Shenzhen (it’s not Shenzen by the way) as being some kind of inferior to Hong Kong. Absolute nonsense, it was that way years ago but the situation is now reversed. Where once the Chinese went across in droves it’s now Hongkongers flooding to Shenzhen at weekends for better choice and lower prices, and HK businesses are suffering.

I’ve heard it theorized that the fundamental cause of the HK color revolution a few years back, was dissatisfaction with the economy. And the reason for that, was the HK economy was basically a niche one which benefitted from being the outward facing station for mainland China. Once the mainland opened up, foreign businesses and domestic capital no longer needed to go through HK; hence it naturally declined, or you might say fell back to what should be its natural level. What do you think of this?

I’m thinking that Dubai has positioned itself in a similar way to what HK used to be.

In fact I seriously doubt there was ever such a huge production discrepancy in a peer-to-peer conflict in all of human history. So why is the US making an enemy of China? Is the US elite blind, ignorant or totally psychopathic or all three? (probably all three)

Total psychopathy, yes, but more crucially an inability to mentally correlate evidence and reality with their idealized model of themselves vis-a-vis their would-be victims.

Top German (Nazi) leadership could not imagine, could not ever accept, that the Soviet economic production could be made into effective weaponry, nor that American civilian production could be turned towards war. Russians were inferior, and Americans were simply unsuited for warfare – two fatal misconceptions. Today, Chinese are simultaneously inferior AND make lousy soldiers, supposedly.

German skill and prowess are legendary on the battlefield. German grand strategic folly should be equally cautionary. Today, if we were to wage war on China, the United States would be the Germany of the 1940s, expecting to win against BOTH the combined USSR and US (industrially, China is like a hybrid sum total of both, in one country).

And yet, it is we who seek war and confrontation, not China. Insanity.

YouTube videos from China, Russia, and Iran show different pictures than what a Westerner is expecting to see. They lie to us about things right here in our faces, so they really lie to us about things we can’t check out for ourselves.
Gordon Chang is the Fox News resident “China liar” who comes on and pronounces doom and gloom for China whenever the Dragon nation is in the news.

Many of the social problems Dr. Rock outlines are begat by idiotic postmodernist themes that were meritlessly insinuated into the western Academy, a generation or two ago, which in the main, are of provenance by way of supposed Jewish scholarship that was not very scholarly at all (the Frankfurt School).

There is plenty of evidence, just laying about all over the place, for a parasitic sociopathic group selection strategy, inclusive of animus for the larger out-group, as operated by Jews, as I claimed in comment #145 of this thread. Of course Jared Diamond ham-handidly attempted just this, within his ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ shtick, as I well outlined here at TUR years ago now.

I have become convinced that the positive economic developments in China and other East Asia nations and the negative economic developments in Europe and the USA are very directly linked to demographics mixed with economic productivity output meaning it seems to me that when the total number of people in a country stabilises or goes down when the general productivity of that country goes up because of access and implementation to better technology and infrastructure etc then average wealth will go up and the opposite will happen when population goes up at a faster rate than the growth of productivity (or if productivity goes down because of war or other reasons).

One can see the same dynamic play out in western Europe and the USA from 1945 to 1965; population stabilises combined with productivity boom leading to more average wealth leading to better infrastructure and access to more surplus capital to invest in better production facilities, better tech etc; a positive reinforcing circle of progress that had such an impact on the European and northern American countries that the cultural changes they instigated in the general populations of those countries threatened to overturn the class structures and the power dynamics there.

When the great immigration wave got going the opposite motion can be observed; average declining wealth, strengthening of the owning class at the expense of the masses and correlating cultural disintegration. One might note that the same structures of decline can be observed in other countries without net immigration where population growth have gone up sharply because of high birth rate, like Argentina,, Syria and El Salvador.

The same structures can also be seen historically with the black plague leading to higher average wealth post-pest etc.

This is clearly a negative effect of propaganda tactics.
We have something even more outrageous here.
For example, in the beginning, the CIA circulated a document that 32,000 Chinese scientists had gone to the United States because they did not know how to please their superiors.
However, due to a miscommunication by Cyber Army, the final document turned out to be 3.2 trillion or 320 million Chinese scientists coming to the United States.This became the most widely circulated version.

It is the same, if not worse, in Europe

China has a capitalistic economy and society managed by an authoritarian one party system. Apart from the marxist/maoist propaganda, it is the same of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

All this pro or anti China stuff is just theater. They are all, ultimately, in concert with each other.

“People who act stupid should be weeded out.”

You can take a commie out of the cesspool but you can’t take detritus out of him. Enough said!

But the problem is I’m definitely not a member of the CPC. If I were a CPC member, I would be kind enough to popularize all kinds of knowledge for you.
But I’m obviously racist. You white people are undisciplined creatures.
White piggies like you are asking for trouble by showing your inferior side in front of me.

Today the Chinese are bottled up in beehive sized apartments and condos, and they own no land. To the extent that they own anything at all they are deeply in debt for it. They have been almost totally stripped of the ability to buy anything in cash, and are slaves to a cellphone.

That’s exactly why China has been building high-rail lines like crazy for the past 15 years. Before then, impoverished peasants would move from the inland provinces to the coastal cities to toil around the clock in sweatshop factories to produce cheap goods for export. When the Global Financial Crisis struck in 2008, Chinese cities were some of the most overcrowded and polluted in the world.

As China shifted its gears by restructuring its economy away from manufacturing goods for export markets to serving the domestic market, that required building up the infrastructure in the inland provinces. The result can be seen in the inland cities where breakneck construction has led to overdevelopment thereby causing a property bubble which has since burst.

In short, China wants to balance economic development with environmental protection, urban living with rural relaxation, made possible by China’s 50,000 kms of high-speed rail.

China and USA are twins that just look different. CCP controls China as jews controls the US.

Didn’t China do this in Tibet?

Look what the CCP did to Buddhism and the Tibetan culture.

With over a billion Chinese, and automation/AI improving, I think China’s downfall will not come in our lifetimes, if at all.

They won’t be stupid enough to give away their industry as we did. Not that “we” did it, our elites did.

” it is the same of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany”

No, because it is much more economically successful than either. As Eamonn Fingleton says, their economy is successful because it’s authoritarian, not despite it being authoritarian.

China was the world #1 economy for most of recorded history.

Meanwhile, the scenes of China’s magnificent cities seem exactly like what Walt Disney had originally envisioned…
This naturally raises very disturbing questions about why the ruling elites of America and other Western nations have failed to accomplish anything even remotely similar during that same period of time…

It is a rather basic proposition that building new infrastructure from scratch using the latest technology copied or bought from others is much easier and less time consuming than transforming (renovating, modernizing) existing and entrenched structures that are already heavily being utilized.

Furthermore, it is obvious that planning and coordinating economic development can be accomplished more effectively when the common people do not have much to say. A fascist system with quasi-totalitarian control tends to be far more efficient when the primary goal is to attain material progress.

Aside from that, the dynamics of such developmental processes tend to conform roughly to an S-curve. Rapid change is temporary and eventual stagnation is nearly inevitable at some point, due to social factors. Yet this is not to suggest that retrograde or self-destructive tendencies also become inevitable.

The Uyghurs Muslim Turks are sworn enemies of China and many have joined ISIS and are fighting in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Assimilating them into the Han population is a blessing for the world.

I’m vicious?

Huh? I didn’t accuse you of being vicious.

I did accuse you of have a “bleeding heart” for the Uighurs. If you don’t know the difference, I suggest you google it.

I am in Europe.

Then I apologise for getting your location wrong.

Instead you should be preparing space to receive back all the descendents of the colonists that the Europeans have sent out all over the world. Your people went on to dominate 4 out of the world’s 6 inhabitable continents.

Now like a hypocrite, you wag your finger at China.

and where do you live?

I live in Southeast Asia. In a country that was colonised by Britain. Before that, my region was colonised by the Dutch. Before that my people was colonised by the Portuguese. Before that, we traded with the Chinese for 2000 years and they never once tried to conquer us. But within 50 years of contact with Europe, you had already begun stealing our cities and colonising us.

To hear you hypocritical Europeans now accusing the Chinese of ill treating the Uighurs, just makes me want to vomit!

The disincentives to do are huge.

They upload their videos when they are outside China. What can the Chinese government do to them after they have left?

The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon

This is the very kind of indoctrination that Unz is writing about. You have concluded that China is a hellhole without even bothered to go to see for yourself.

And when the accounts of other people that have actually been to China contradict with your view, you simply toss them out with trite dismissals.

freedom of religion is not even tolerated.

WTF?????????????
Did you even bother to watch the videos?

I can’t be bothered to interact more with you. I just leave you with some more videos.
If you have any humanity in you, as you claim you do…………..at least have the decency to spend a few minutes to watch these videos.

Muslim dude from Pakistan goes Xinjiang. He visits a mosque at 3:55

American dude goes to Xinjiang. He visits a mosque at 20:20

British family go to Xinjiang, They visit a mosque at 10:10

Muslim dude goes to Beijing and visits a Mosque

American dude goes to Tibet and visits a Buddhist temple at 4:10

American girl goes to Tibet and visits a Buddhist temple at 0:35

American dude visits a Taoist temple

American couple visit a Taoist temple

Reddit has a karma system. You have to continuously use the app for some kabbalistically relevant number of days passively upvoting other users. Still don’t know all the rules and lost interest in it because it’s well, Reddit, and the rules just aren’t worth figuring out.

You sound like a US Deep State troll pretending to be from Europe. Now if you’re really European, which country in Europe are you from? And can you write in your native European language here just to prove yourself as European?

J/K perceived, but India is conspicuous by its absence from the table.

“I live in Southeast Asia. In a country that was colonised by Britain. Before that, my region was colonised by the Dutch. Before that my people was colonised by the Portuguese. Before that, we traded with the Chinese for 2000 years and they never once tried to conquer us. But within 50 years of contact with Europe, you had already begun stealing our cities and colonising us.”

Be fair. Kublai Khan sent a Chinese invasion fleet to Java in 1292, before the West knew Java existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java#Invasion

J/K perceived, but India is conspicuous by its absence from the table.

The Uyghurs Muslim Turks are sworn enemies of China and many have joined ISIS and are fighting in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Assimilating them into the Han population is a blessing for the world.

China is not “assimilating� but “integrating� the Uyghurs into the whole of the country. So that means the Uyghurs are allowed to keep their language, culture and religion but they have to speak Chinese, attend Chinese schools and universities, live and work in Chinese cities throughout China, in order to prevent their isolation from the rest of the country. China has also banned all foreign-funded madrassas, mosques and NGOs in Xinjiang.

As for the influx of Han Chinese into Xinjiang, they came as part of the economic development of Xinjiang since the Uyghurs didn’t have the technical expertise nor the industrial experience. Furthermore, Xinjiang has become a key hub for China’s BRI which extends from Xinjiang to Central Asia. That means Xinjiang will become even more prosperous in the future, attracting not just Han Chinese but also Central Asians, Russians, Iranians, etc.

The only thing China has going for it is the collapse of the Western World.

I don’t think those stats make any sense because China has the world’s largest plastics recycling industry with every street in any city having plastics recycling bins.

Mulga used the word vicious. I can’t tag multiple people at once unfortunately.

You could not answer any of my questions, especially why so many colored people of the world want to move to the USA and take advantage of this terrible example of colonialism. You ought to learn a bit of the difference between colonialists and settlers. Building a country from lands still stuck in the stone age is not the same as conquering ancient civilizations in Eurasia. They’ve also opened up the West through incredibly generous immigration policies, which of course the Chinese have taken advantage of. You never answered why almost all the instances of espionage and patent theft in the West are perpetrated by Chinese.

The British relinquished India, but China keeps its empire because it’s contiguous? Who is the hypocrite? It’s not just Tibet and East Turkestan. It’s Inner Mongolia, Manchuria. Taiwan’s indigenous were Maori related, but I suppose that conquering happened long ago. You feel personally aggrieved that your country (+ region) was colonialised by Brits, Dutch and Portuguese, without really explaining why. We are not living in the past we are living now.

While you are apologizing for getting my continent wrong, you go on to smear all Europeans as colonialists. Europe has 53 countries and perhaps 8 did colonialism, with some positive and negative outcomes from that. I am not from a country that did any colonialism, in fact if you want to make this personal it was “You” Asiatics that did the murdering, raping, enslaving and imperialism in Eastern Europe through the Mongol Empire, Ottoman Turkish Empire, Hunnic Empire, plus various other invaders like Tatars and Avars who were East Asian and Central Asian

If China’s so good at treating its Uyghurs, why not just let them rule their own country, like they once did less than a hundred years ago? I think we know why you don’t want that.

You think that by posting videos of mosque visits that proves much? Looks like you don’t understand the concept of freedom. You can’t have half-freedom, half restrictions. Why are beards illegal or churches shut down? The Chinese government even oversees the reincarnation process now for tulkus. Why is the Dalai Lama in exile? You think these realities can be outweighed by counter-evidence that you post of travel bloggers having a merry old time with regime friendly content so their visa isn’t cancelled?

You couldn’t answer any of my questions, for obvious reasons. You just have a spammy bot-like approach of posting content like “but wait look at this over here” and clogging the comments sections. Stay angry, you ought to be.

If China’s so good at treating its Uyghurs, why not just let them rule their own country,

Chiming in, hopefully my approach is more neutral.

Continental empires, such as China and Russia, expanded gradually, swallowing up and subsuming neighboring tribes and nations. Hence the “federal republics” and “autonomous regions” of which the Russian Federation is made up, for example.

Unlike oversea colony empires, the continental empire cannot simply hop on a ship and escape any problems. The new territory is part of its body, physically. You either genocide the conquered, or incorporate them in some way, usually by giving them some sort of autonomy with the expectation that in return they don’t act up.

If Russia starts giving independence to Chechnya or Dagestan or others, this will be the start of the end of Russia. Fragmentation will start and not stop.

Russia dealt with Chechnya by war, and installing a loyalist king who can run it like his fiefdom. China dealt with the same by reeducation camps and beard clampdowns.

There is not third choice in this situation. Once the dynamite has been ignited, it’s either a) war, b) clampdowns, or c) accept the dissolution of your country on your watch.

Kublai Khan is Mongol.

Weren’t the Han Chinese among the biggest victims of the Mongols?

Once upon a time, sure.

But today, 1 in 8 Chinese have either Mongol admixture or are direct descendants. Many more actual Mongols live in China (while keeping their culture) than live in Mongolia itself.

The very nature of China since forever is that the culturally assimilated Mongol-Han, see themselves as simply . . . “Han”. For whatever reason, there has never been separatism among the Mongol-descended.

So there’s that.

In a sane world, Chinese/Russian/Iranian etc. leaders would appear on American/Western national television in hard/complex-question interviews, while American/Western leaders would appear on Chinese/Russian/Iranian etc. national television in equally hard/complicated-question interviews.

As such potentially beneficial interviews appear non-existent, one might conclude with the following:

Just look around. The world has, in late 2024 and about to begin 2025, gone arguably insane.

It is a rather basic proposition that building new infrastructure from scratch using the latest technology copied or bought from others is much easier and less time consuming than transforming (renovating, modernizing) existing and entrenched structures that are already heavily being utilized.

This is something of which China is very aware, and they are on guard against it.

That is why they model many of their policies on those of Singapore (although certainly not all).

Specifically, Singaporean programs of constant investment, renewal and modernization, in all aspects, are replicated and implemented on a much more massive scale, in China.

For example, in the 1980s, Singapore was a very high growth economy with gleaming infrastructure, offices and factories, all with the latest technologies. They are a tiny country, so such development went unnoticed, but it was real.

By the year 2000, that was all gone, torn down and replaced by yet more modern and efficient tech.

And by 2015, those investments were considered obsolete in their turn, and were again being upgraded into the very latest forms. Singapore has never stopped, and doesn’t intend to.

The same with China.

I have seen the non-stop investment and upgrading. New diesel and electric “regular” trains of proper world standard (similar to American and European trains of the time) were first augmented by high speed rail, which are themselves being disrupted by experimental magnetic levitation systems.

Early 2000s tech used in coal plants being supplanted by cleaner natural gas power, and now once more embracing renewables (solar, wind, hydro) and nuclear. China is moving into both latest generation uranium-, and also thorium-based nuclear power as we speak, and they will keep going.

This constant updating and upgrading is something we also could have done in the West, but for some reason that I still can’t understand, we simply didn’t. I scratch my head at the whole thing.

Anyone have theories? Please share.

Yeah, he’s a China is headed for doom and gloom guy for sure.

I just wonder, because we get so much propaganda about China being a military threat to the US (I don’t believe, because they aren’t ideological or effective imperialists, if anything it’s the other way around) and that China is committing a genocide (no proof at all), and that China’s success can’t last and they are headed for a big fall.. “their banking crisis!” (as if we don’t have plenty of bank issues), and their loans for new houses that nobody lives in, and they have over built, their empty ghost cities, and everyone’s going to lose their savings in the pending housing collapse…

It would be nice to get some real perspective on some of this, because it’s all looking like pure, pro-US/anti-China BS.

Do you think it’s all a ruse, just to convince the west that “despite all that you see about China pulling their people out of poverty, and creating huge, modern, clean and comfortable new cities, and their economy eclipsing the entire west for PPP”, don’t worry, because it’s all a hollow shell about to collapse any minute now?

Because if all that we are told is just propaganda and BS, then China is definitely a modern model for how to do things right!

And maybe that is the conclusion that “the west” doesn’t want their population to come to!!

It always makes me laugh when I read western rags such as The Economist etc berating China for so-called ‘demographic aggression’ against the Uighurs.

As if the massive uncontrolled third world immigration into the western nations that The Economist advocates isn’t ‘demographic aggression’ against indigenous Europeans.

The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:

“China has deployed more than a million spies – most of them male and part of the country’s Han ethnic majority – to stay in Uighur households every two months as part of what it calls the “Pair Up and Become Familyâ€� programme. During their visits, the officials – who the government describes as “relativesâ€� of the monitored families – work, eat, and often share a bed with their “hostsâ€�, one Communist party officer told RFA.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslim-china-uighur-forced-share-beds-male-officials-detention-camps-a9185861.html
Nothing to see here. Not at all creepy big brother on steroids.

The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda? Please tell us the real figures. And that’s the thing with China… you can’t get any figures that are reliable, just like you can’t trust that the lion in the zoo is really that and not a dog.

Agreed, and I wondered why that was. Could India have ramped it up that quickly? Possibly, as the one and only thing they’re good at producing (besides more indians) is pollution.

India has far more births than any other country, and as of this year (or next) Nigeria is now projected to have moved into second place.

Given that Nigeria’s overall population is much smaller than India’s or China’s, the horror of its growth rate becomes clearer. And of course most of Africa is following suit.

https://asiatimes.com/2024/12/uyghur-separatist-threat-could-reach-beyond-chinas-xinjiang/

First and foremost among those foreign fighters are the Uyghurs from China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. They used to fight China as part of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement but rebranded as the Turkistan Islamic Party some years back.

Regardless of whichever name they go by, the group has been involved in Idlib since 2017, when reports began circulating about its colonies in that corner of Syria. The organization has a history of collaborating with terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda in support of the quest to carve out a Uyghur state from China. That’s why it was designated as a terrorist group by the UN Security Council. The United States removed its own such designation in late 2020 giving the reason that the group had become inactive, but now it’s known that this wasn’t true.

How does this make sense from an ideological standpoint? These Uighurs are ethnonationalists that somehow get involved in a Sunni/Shiite/Christian dispute far from home? Moreover, US intelligence removed them from a terrorist list because they mistakenly thought they had become inactive.

Seems far more likely that HTS and Uighur Turkistan Islamic Party are mercenaries paid for by the US. Now that they’ve achieved their objective in Syria, we might expect some activity in Xinjiang.

Yes well, European countries are also on the chopping block. They’ve has a fun time with their halfhearted EU project but the wimpy way in which it has been carried out has only been possible due to their massive civilizational capital. Now that it is rapidly being drawn down, it’s time to draw and quarter the countries of Europe. How about Esperanto for a European language? Or maybe Latin? Nah, just use English.

https://www.ft.com/content/bc1b6eaf-dd5f-4e63-b4dc-90a30e9bec58

This constant updating and upgrading is something we also could have done in the West, but for some reason that I still can’t understand, we simply didn’t. I scratch my head at the whole thing.

Anyone have theories? Please share.

Well, it sounds exhausting. Maybe we don’t want it. Even old school Marxists like Norman Finkelstein are wondering if we need more tech. Pretty weak theory, I know.

While hostile jews controlling America is not the biggest problem – the biggest problem is long-term genetic decline due to our removing natural selection starting at least a couple of centuries ago with the Industrial Revolution – it’s certainly true that Unz promotes mass, non-White immigration. I’ve only ever heard of one jew who WASN’T in favour of mass, non-White immigration (“Brother Nathaniel”).

And I view hostile jews mainly as an accelerant. They couldn’t import so many non-Whites if most Whites were vehemently against it and willing to use violence to stand up for themselves, as Whites were in the 1800s. Without jews, America would still have gay marriage, increasing censorship, loss of free association, mass, non-White immigration, etc., but perhaps several decades later, that’s all.

This is a pretty good article. A bit on the long side but worth reading.

That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.

The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.” Only 2 million in re-education camps and plunging birth-rates… so which part of that is distorted and by how much I don’t know. As I said, I am just interested to know the real figures… from the folks who watch some ditzy American princess on Youtube as she travels the countryside on a moped, dropping in on weddings and teaching ESL. What expert sleuthing behind enemy lines.

I don’t claim to be an arbiter of truth. I just really don’t understand giving the benefit of the doubt to a culture that has lying baked into its bread. That ranks at the very bottom of low-trust behavior (this has been empirically shown through lost wallet experiments). That needs to censor and control information to such an extreme degree. If you can’t trust the baby formula to be free of lead than you can’t trust anything. They cheat at everything, and I’m not talking about just counterfeiting. Why not believe the many Uyghurs who have escaped China? Why is the Dalai Lama in exile too?

Never believed WMD, nor pro-Israel victimologies. Which UN report confirmed those?

Continental empires, such as China and Russia, expanded gradually, swallowing up and subsuming neighboring tribes and nations.

Concerning China, the gradually means thousands of years since the Silk Road which generate trade and wealth as well as migration and people mixing.

In addition, Turkic peopleS of which the Uyghurs is one, unlike the French, Germanic or Italian people, which are more or less well defined ethnic groups, Turkic peoples are a lot more amorphous. Turkic peoples, however, tend to be normads.

In the English language, “the Turkic peoples belonged to the most general category of “barbariansâ€� (βάÏ�βαÏ�οι). In Byzantine times, “barbariansâ€� were opposed not so much to “Hellenesâ€� (á¼�λληνες ), as in the classical and Hellenistic periods, but rather to the “Romansâ€�, Ῥωµαῖοι. …

The traditional classification model of the Scythian nomads, with its subsequent modifications, was the most universal description of the Turkic peoples. …

At various times in the historical narrative, the generic category of Scythians was applied to Huns, Göktürks, Khazars, Avars, Bulgars, Hungarians, Pechenegs, Uzes, Cumans, Mongols, and Tatars, …”
https://novoscriptorium.com/2019/12/07/the-turkic-peoples-in-eastern-roman-byzantine-ethnography/

Uyghurs have been well described in Chinese history because they had been in and out of China’s orbit, as part of China or as foes, for thousands of years.

Uyghurs today are mostly living in West part of China. However it was not the case in the past. They were, like the Mongols, originally from Northern part of China. Today’s Xinjiang was part of the Djungaria (Mongol) Empire at the beginning of the Qing Dynasty. The Djungaria were later defeated by the Qing empire. With Xinjiang depopulated, Qing officials then repopulated the region with immigrants including the Uyghurs.

Fascinating report published in January by British intel-linked Kings College found literally almost *all* media reporting on China in the UK is deeply negative and misleading, therefore making rational discussion about Beijing impossible. https://t.co/A9nJhqHrHm pic.twitter.com/qD35p4bUjY

— Kit Klarenberg 🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻 (@KitKlarenberg) December 17, 2024

It isn’t better in the US and EU.

My impression of China had always been one of apathy and disdain. But about a month ago I accidentally stumbled upon a YouTube vlog of China, and from there discovered a whole lot more, all very recent, from mostly British and American vloggers that I occasionally watch, and I’ve had an awakening.

It appears post-Covid, China changed their visa policy to allow visa free travel in China from certain countries: 6 days(US, UK) to 15 days (EU). This along with how affordable it is has attracted a legion of YouTube vloggers who’ve previously been traveling around Southeast Asia, Europe and Mideast. You can easily get a beautiful, clean, modern hotel room in China for $25/night outside of Shanghai & Beijing($50-$75). A filling, delicious dinner for 2 in a nice modern beautiful restaurant cost less than $25. Transportation is dirt cheap, you can ride a 30min metro for US $0.25, a 30m taxi ride for <$3, an hour long train ride <$5. Park & museum entrance: mostly free, or <$5. Many who took advantage of this visa-free travel enjoyed their trip so much they returned to see more.

Before watching these vlogs, I had thought China backward, dirty, with zero natural beauty. These vlogs made me realize how wrong I was. China has natural beauty in abundance – deserts, alpine mountains, glacial lakes, rivers, jaw dropping natural parks, spectacular mountain top temples, China has them all. The development is no longer confined to just Shanghai or Beijing, but Tier 2, Tier 3 cities and even much of the countryside. Even the remotest little town can now be reached via high speed rail, and 39 cities in China have an underground metro, with 1 more coming. I was shocked to see how modern, big, beautiful and clean a train station in China was, then the vlogger pointed out there are 5 of those stations in just the city of Guangzhou! There are also all these cities I'd never heard of that are gigantic like Chongqing(32m), Chengdu, Xian, Tianjin, Shengzhen etc.

Early in its development China's countryside was left behind and very poor with many young people leaving for cities, but the government successfully turned many of these rural towns into tourist destinations through smart development: traditional architecture beautifully restored and modernized inside while leaving exterior intact, and all are easily accessible from nearby big cities by train/metro. Even the smallest little tourist towns are spotless, safe and clean. I've read that during Covid lockdown, Chinese tourists rediscovered their own country. These once poor little rural towns often connected to jaw dropping scenery like those Avatar Mountains (I didn't even know they exist in real life) are now thriving as tourist destinations catering mostly to domestic tourists, giving a livelihood to native residents who are often minority tribes. Talk about smart development!

We marvel in the West about Venice, China has like 10 Venices (city of canals). We marvel at the development of Japan, Dubai & Singapore, China is like each times 50! It isn't just cities & towns, even the national parks are so well developed, safe, orderly and clean. Did you know that you can come down from the Great Wall of China via tobogganing? Bonkers!

I've gone from never thinking about China in any positive light to now definitely wanting to visit within the next 5 years. It is an amazing country with a rich history and culture, and has now gone through the most unbelievable transformation and modernization, in less than one lifetime, the way only China could. I have nothing but respect for these people now.

Here are some of my favorite vlogs that I've discovered recently. China is amazing!

And maybe [that whatever China is doing can work spectacularly well] is the conclusion that “the west� doesn’t want their population to come to!!

In my opinion, what China is demonstrating is that socialism can actually make capitalism work better! And that is what American ideologs desperately do not want their populations to know.

This is also probably why Huawei was attacked so viciously by Trump, to the extent of kidnapping Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of the company’s founder. As far as Trump was concerned, Huawei committed the unpardonable crime of being a socialist company — as it is owned by its employees. In spite of that, Huawei has become one of the world’s most successful companies: it’s twice the size of Boeing and is rapidly overtaking General Motors. Socialism can never be permitted to succeed, and this is probably the main reason that Trump attempted to crush Huawei.

(By the way, Huawei has survived Trump 1.0 and is stronger than ever. The company’s revenues took a major dip when it sold off its Honor line of smarphones, and nearly all the Western media celebrated the drop. See how powerful America still is! But this year, Huawei’s revenues grew by 34% — yes, by more than a third — to about $110 billion, which is higher than ever. It won’t be long before the company overtakes General Motors (about $180 billion). Socialism works.)

No one can doubt China’s economic development and industrial ethic. They’re just quite adept at hiding the bad stuff, including their internal colonialism and demographic swamping. Their preferred M.O. is death by a thousands cuts.

American organs are not nearly as anti-China as they could be, considering that top officials frequently identify China as the number one adversary. Too busy demonizing Russia and Middle East countries as they are easier pickings. China own a lot of US debt, while there’s also much economic dependence on Chinese manufacturing…

I used to watch Serpentza as well, where much of my previous negativity on China came from. He said that he pointed out the negative aspects of Chinese society to help them improve and I believed him. Then he and his wife moved to the US. I thought for sure he’d start making videos about how bad America is to help us improve, but oddly, he continues to make videos about how bad China is even though he no longer lives there. Then it dawned on me, he must’ve become a CIA paid shill in exchange for fast track to a green card. Too bad for him the recent surge of Western vloggers who showed us the real China has made him look like a pathetic CIA paid shill.

The US can never match China’s incredible development because all our lands are privately owned and everything has to be “for profit”. As I watched those vlogs, in every Chinese city there are lots of free parks, all very clean, safe and well-maintained, and in every city incl. Shanghai with no doubt the most expensive real estate, there is at least one huge wide pedestrian-only street where lots of people go shop, eat, kids run free, people even fly their kites, group dance, sing karaoke etc. Imagine having that in NYC? Never. Land is all privately owned here and the landlords all want to maximize profit on every square inch as Milton Friedman told us to, parks and wide pedestrian streets bring no profit so fuggedaboutit.

The US seeks to destroy China’s reputation in the West because they don’t want Americans to know an alternative to democracy works. That’s why all the harshest economic sanctions on Iran, Venezuela, Cuba etc. to starve them to death, then we can point to them and say, “See? Socialism doesn’t work!” Most Americans aren’t smart enough to realize it doesn’t work precisely because of those economic sanctions! If Venezuela and Iran could sell their oil freely on the market they’d be way richer and much better developed.

As Jeffrey Sachs pointed out, the West denigrates China out of jealousy. British media is even more hostile on China. If they’re growing we’re not it must be because they’re ripping us off, not because their government spend their $ developing infrastructure for the people while ours spend all our tax $ on endless wars. And if they’re getting ahead of us they must be destroyed. Trump has surrounded himself once again with China hawks – Rubio, Walz, Hegseth all want war with China. They want to drain China’s resources on wars so they can’t keep building and getting richer.

Bono once said the difference between America & Ireland is, Americans point to the shiny mansion at the top of the hill and say “Someday, I want to be like that guy”, the Irish point to the mansion and say, “Someday, I’m going to get that bastard!” America has become like the Irish, we don’t just do it to each other but we do it to other nations. America & Britain look at China’s development with jealousy and hatred, and we want nothing more than to get those bastards!

More Americans and Brits need to wake up and not let these green eye monsters and sociopaths running our governments destroy this incredible country!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBKo54FJvQ

“Unz himself can’t see it”

he sees (((it))) alright.

but why would you expect a Jew to dump on his own?

I mean, Unz’s not Christ recidivus, after all.

juts be thankful that he allows the rest of us to pop off about (((it))).

Bono , in my opinion, is a cunt-end of. A crawling, slimy, slippery, boot-licking pos. China is hated by the Western elite, those whose arses Bono cleans with his forked tongue, because Western, particularly Five Eyes, elites are RACISTS to their boot-straps.

They don’t ‘hide’ anything, you lying racist pos. Tens of millions of tourists visit China every year, and produce NO, NIL, ZERO evidence of any ‘bad’ stuff of the kind you lyingly insinuate. As for the Western MSM, you lie again, ludicrously. I cannot recall a SINGLE positive story regarding the PRC in any Western MSM organ, for decades. Christ, I hate racists.

Thanks for your comment. Well I was naive enough a few years ago to think that the Hong Kong disturbances were a local phenomenon but now there is overwhelming evidence that it was CIA directed and funded. With Xinjiang northish, Tibet in the West and Taiwan in the East there was a southern vacancy for causing trouble, but it’s been cleared up now.

Hong Kong built up its economy as a low wage manufacturer and an offshore financial centre. The first crossed over to Shenzhen from 1979 and onwards and is now extinct but the financial aspect very much remains, it has just regained from Singapore its long held number one position for ease of doing business, and is reckoned to be by far the biggest tax haven in the world, although I take issue with that description, there is a diagram at the bottom of a brief Substack I just posted about Hong Kong and some other information you might find interesting.

https://waltking.substack.com/p/this-is-hong-kong

But I think you are right that it has lost its gloss, inevitable with China rising just across its border. Housing costs for a long time among the very highest are stalling. But still worth a trip across the border for short holidays, my preference being the outer islands, Cheung Chau and Lamma, nice beaches with warm sea, good swimming, bars, restaurants, no high rises, no vehicular traffic apart from a few emergency vehicles. Definitely worth a look if you are going to Hong Kong.

Oh, it’s the same in Austfailia. NO, zero, zilch positive stories about China appear in the MSM. The negative ones are VICIOUSLY racist and mendacious, and contrary opinions on, say, the entirely false ‘Uighur Genocide’ filth, are NOT tolerated. In the Murdoch cancer, a real little Zionazi yeshiva if ever there was one, the HATRED is quite deranged.
This is the Judaic worldview,inherited by the West through perverted ‘Christianity’, of supreme creatures ‘Chosen’ by ‘God’, facing the ‘Sons of Sham, Shem, Shemp’, whatever. The war launched on October 7, 2023, against the global ‘Amalekites’, is intended to re-assert TOTAL Western ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ over ALL humanity, FOREVER, as that is ‘God’s Will’. It is intended to culminate in the Gazafication of Beijing, Shanghai etc, and the destruction of the Chinese, in whole or part, so that they NEVER threaten God’s Order on Earth, ever again.

China proves one thing: that diversity is NOT a strength! In fact, it is a weakness as it divides. The vlogs I’ve watched show so much social cohesion in that country. Young people are increasingly proud of their culture and heritage. In cities as well as tourist attractions there are increasing number of young people dressed up in traditional costumes walking around as part of the fun. In parks all over the country lots of elderly people exercise together including doing group dances any day of the week; people also show up to play chess, cards, fly kites with strangers, do tai chi. All the cities are spotless and virtually crime free.

It’s almost unreal how safe China is. A South African lady said in a vlog that she accidentally left the key to her electric bike in the ignition outside her apartment, the next morning she went downstairs and the bike was still there with the key. She also commented on how safe the parks are in China, no homeless, drug addicts, crime or graffiti, ultra clean and safe even alone at night. She said in South Africa such a park could never exist, people will destroy it in no time. Even in America our parks are now so dangerous with homeless tents, drug addicts and don’t even think about walking in there at night.

We have such an interesting notion of freedom in America. We think being able to carry your gun everywhere to protect yourself is freedom. But maybe true freedom is feeling so safe you never needed a gun in the first place? Rap/gangsta culture, single parenthood, welfare queens, homelessness, drug addiction, alcoholism, public drunkenness, crime, looting, LGBTQ lifestyle, graffiti, guns…these are the “freedoms” the West is trying to force down everyone’s throat. China is smart to say No to all this and to control their border, which is why they will rise while the West sinks under our “freedom” aka immorality and mass immigration of the violent, low IQ horde.

all in all, a fairly conviincing essay,

notwithstanding the bloody history of Judeo-communism in China. And the current police-state.

a couple other caveats:

1) absent the free trade scam imposed upon America by the (((Wall Street))) debt-Ponzi merchants and their corporate shabbatz goyim back when….and China today would look considerably less prosperous.

2) and despite all the vlogger-transubstantiated urban Chinese glitz, a phrase from old Russia comes to mind:

Potemkin Village

That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics. Not a convincing rebuttal at all, rather predicated upon “we better be 100% sure before we accuse them of something nasty” — unrealistic standard. The report stands, the only point of contention is over the use of the word genocide, because anything outside of killing is going to be a gray zone.

Human rights lawyers are hesitant about the demographic angle, because they realize there’s a fine line between intent and outcome. Have white British been genocided from London or ethnic French from Paris? No, not completely and not intentionally! And neither will the Uyghurs as they dwindle away under the supervision of their government assigned house-sitters flown in from 3,000 miles away.

I never accused the Chinese of genocide, rather internal imperialism, demographic swamping, religious intolerance, etc., if you don’t like the term soft genocide that’s fine. By the way, it is actually the Chinese side who is using the WMD line because they justify their extreme crackdown on the need to counter Uyghur terrorism…

Thanks for that. I was going to say you saved me the trouble but you did it better and I no longer think it worth replying to idiots who know all about China from western sources but have never actually been here, and we are not going to change their minds.

To your examples of religious amenities I would add Christian examples. I don’t make a particular habit of visiting them, but there is a long standing Catholic cathedral in Guangzhou, and Protestant and Catholic churches there on Shamian island. I guess they are not alone in China. The idea that religion is banned in China is so ridiculous, my mother-in-law has a shrine in her house as do many Chinese, and you will see them in villages all over China. Freedom of religion is granted in the constitution but cults like Falun Gong are banned for very good reasons.

From your comment I think maybe you live in Melaka. My wife and I recently spent a week there and we thought it the most delightful place in West Malaysia, although we tend more towards visiting the states on Borneo, lengthy stays at Kota Kinabalu, Sandakan, and Miri. A nice break from frenetic China.

Be fair. Kublai Khan sent a Chinese invasion fleet to Java in 1292, before the West knew Java existed.

To be fair, that is like saying that Hitler sent a French invasion army to invade the USSR.

The French were a conquered nation. Did some collaborators choose to side with the Germans sure. But the French nation if they had not been conquered by the Germans, would not have invaded the USSR at that time.

Ditto China. It was conquered by the Mongols and any Chinese sailors were under Mongol command. For a thousand years prior and 700 years since, China under Han rule only traded with SE Asia, never conquered or colonised.

We need to have some context please.

There is a big difference. It is clear that the CPC does have the responsibility of the ruler, but the jews have only the desire to make money and do not want to take responsibility.Although the CPC implemented similar reverse nationalism, but fortunately, their policy does not exceed the limit.Given that sometimes we nationalism is too extreme to kill all the Japanese, and it is necessary to avoid excessive polarisation. Nationalists, like me, argue that CPC’s rule is justified.When the CPC thinks that a business will corrupt social morality, they will order to stop the business and declare it illegal.

I don’t understand your logic.

How could 4. help determine if your elites are malicious or stupid/ignorant/etc.?

Are we sure that 3c obtains, given the fact that hatred is often repressed, and always suppressed?

How do 3a and 3b apply? They could have lots of excuses for either, which seem legitimate to them, and don’t seem to prove that they are or are not stupid/ignorant/etc.

Thanks for your astute observations. I am from Singapore, and can say that your observations on my country is accurate.

As you have said, since Deng’s visit in the 1978, China has been sending a stream of officials and city administrators to Singapore to see if anything was relevant to them.

Also as you have said, everything done in China is a vastly larger scale than tiny Singapore. The “Ghost City” nonsense that Western MSM likes to propagate seems so silly to me, because I recognise the exact same way that New Towns are built in Singapore. A new district is built from scratch. Subways, malls, roads, sports facilities, apartment blocks, schools, etc are all built BEFORE the population moves in. It is simply cheaper, faster and less disruptive to do things this way.

Singapore’s little New Towns that have a capacity of 2 or 300,000 people take months or years to fully fill up. In the first few months, yes they do look like “Ghost towns”. But pretty soon, they are fully occupied and bustling.

Now compared to Singapore, China does everything in a vastly larger scale. Of course it would take as long, or even longer to fill up.

Anyone have theories? Please share.

I first visited China in the 1990s. Back then it was still bicycles everywhere, few cars. People wore mostly “Mao suits”. But what I sensed was an intense hunger. The Chinese knew they were behind and wanted to catch up. The attitude was “lets just get on with it NOW”.

Why do I relate this anecdote? IMHO it has to do with people’s attitude towards society.

When a people have known hardship and are hungry for improvement, they have much less appetite for airy fairy theories of this and that. They zero in on practical solutions and throw out all the fluff.

We all know the cycles of the rise and fall of Empires. An empire starts off hungry, then conquers and becomes rich. Soon its people become complacent and indolent, and things decay.

Where I come from, there is a saying that “A family’s fortune lasts 3 generations”. The first generation knows poverty and works hard to achieve a fortune. The second generation has seen their parents work hard and even tasted it in their youth, so they work to preserve that fortune. The third generation that has known only comfort, indulges in frivolous things and fritters the fortune away. This is the cycle of rise and fall of empires in microcosm.

Both the peoples of Singapore and China have experience hunger and poverty in their lifetimes.

We know what it is like to have no flushing toilet. Even in the heart of prosperous cities, human faeces was collected in buckets, to be carted out manually by “night soil” workers. Believe me, squatting above a bucket of day old faeces from the rest of the family and hearing your combination “splat” into the communal bucket is not a pleasant experience.

Some of older folks refuse to eat sweet potatoes because during war time, there was not enough rice and people had to subsist on forage sweet potatoes and yams to survive. For decades after the war, table scraps were dutifully collected by pig farmers to feed their pigs. Once a year, the farmer would send a duck or chicken as a “thank you”. Nothing was wasted.

We in Singapore know that when we allow political parties to seize on racial issues and identity politics, it turns into inter communal violence and riots. Singapore was born because of inter communal strife and massacres. When Americans go on and on about “Freedom of Speech”…we just smile.

So we have a very different attitude to ideas that are entertained in the West. Ideas like Anarchism and Libertarianism to us are nice sounding ideals, perhaps even worthy of being something we can aim for eventually, but not applicable in the present time.

Even with the ideas Democracy….we like the idea, who could not? But we see the way that it is applied in the West, is shall we say…..”problematic”, perhaps even “naive”.

Sorry to end this post abruptly, but it gets overlong. So I shall stop here for your input if you have any.

Asians have such a high IQ that they still walk around wearing face diapers in 2024.

Kudos to you. Despite the constant barrage of propaganda, you have managed to penetrate the veil. I send you my compliments.

I’ve gone from never thinking about China in any positive light to now definitely wanting to visit within the next 5 years.

You really should, you will not regret it.

I have often told my US friends that the best birthday present they could ever give themselves is a trip to China. In their case, it would primarily be because they would see how their media is lying to them….”take the red pill”…in the metaphor of the movie Matrix.

But in your case, since you already know the we are being fed a load of BS from the media, you can enjoy the country even more.

It is a vast country, the size of Eastern and Western Europe combined. Though I have made many visits there, I still feel like I am only scratching the surface.

Personally the big cities are nice and all, but the places that intrigue me the most are the ancient towns. I went here last year, and it blew me away.

This march, I am headed here. This one has special significance because it was instrumental in the formation of China 2000 years ago.

Thanks for your kind words. I was just a little irritated by that creature. But I soon realised it was not worth interacting with it as it had its ears and heart stopped up already.

From your comment I think maybe you live in Melaka. My wife and I recently spent a week there and we thought it the most delightful place in West Malaysia, although we tend more towards visiting the states on Borneo, lengthy stays at Kota Kinabalu, Sandakan, and Miri. A nice break from frenetic China.

Actually I live in Singapore. But Singapore and Malaysia are “sibling countries”, shall we say. Everyone one has family members living on both sides of the border.

I can trace ancestry back to Melaka. It was once a center of trade in the region. But when the Brits set up their Straits Settlements, Penang and Singapore took over the importance Melaka once had, and many families moved from Melaka to Penang and Singapore.

Like you, I love going to Malaysia too. People are nice, food is great….whats not to like? hahaha.

If you ever come to Singapore, give me a holler 🙂

Sorry, Singapore then. Spent a week there too. Similar early colonial history.

I went to Dujiangyan in 2008 not long after the earthquake which was centred about 40 km away. Most of the buildings went down or suffered damage. The schools were worst affected and it turned out that there had been a misdemeanor whereby the contractors had “forgotten” to install proper supporting structures. I expect it was totally rebuilt long ago.

Unfortunately it was before I had a video camera but you can see some stills here at 16.39.
https://rumble.com/v5zr7q5-china-a-stranger-in-a-strange-land-episode-1.html

Sorry going off topic a bit.

There are some spectacularly enlightened Jewish people writing, posting and blogging online, and while they are surely outnumbered by the other kind that is true of many other groups as well.

Mr Unz is breathtakingly tolerant of all kinds of abuse here, because he’s an avowed free-speech absolutist who walks the walk without fail. One has to try really hard to get under his skin.

Attacking him as an über-tribalist isn’t just inaccurate, it’s phenomenally stupid. Very, very few people are so clearly patriotic in the traditional, American sense.

Then there’s his generosity, of which this site is a prime example. Jewish? I only wish there were more jews like him.

Wow, you might be right. Syria was just starting to achieve some stability and some of the more popular YouTubers were starting to visit there, then poof down goes Assad. This vlog from popular food vlogger Mark Wiens was just posted 5 months ago, he travels with his wife and son and rarely goes to unsafe places:

Now that Western vloggers are reporting in droves from China including out of Xinjiang and Tibet you can bet CIA will now start up trouble there to deter these vloggers.

CIA-MI6-Mossad are the true Axis of Evil, the head of the evil cabal that runs the world. There is not a single color revolution, coup, “civil war”, cold war, hot war that doesn’t have CIA’s imprint on it. Those who keep harping on Jews are getting sidetracked. Plenty of WASP elites graduated from HYP run the CIA. In fact it was founded by a group of blue blood NE WASP elites who went to Yale.

Sorry, that post was supposed to be aimed at Haxo. Anyway I’d only add that (typically for a rational person) Ron isn’t even religious, and besides, it’s quite ridiculous to hold anyone responsible for what his ancestors may or may not have done. I wish more people realized this, both here and abroad.

This Katherine living in China is definitely an interesting person. She’s willing to up and leave the land and culture of her ancestors for a land and culture that’s totally alien to her upbringing (as well as her DNA). While it’s commendable that as an environmental engineer she wants to make a positive contribution to the land around her, the problem remains just that. She prefers or has chosen to go thousands of miles away to contribute to a foreign land to help impact that nation for the better, rather than choose to stay home in the US and use her knowledge to help make a positive difference in the land of her ancestors—the United States . If as the article demonstrates, the US is falling behind in various ways to China, then the real challenge would be to remain at home and help contribute to a better future for the US.

I’m sorry but it would appear that Mr Unz did not notice the irony of this picture, namely, that a productive member of the younger generation prefers to help contribute to the wellbeing of a foreign culture to that of her own people, her own family, and to her own nation.

And that, frankly, is a major problem facing the US in 2024.

Correct. And Kublai Khan to attempted to invade Japan twice, 1274 and 1281, with Chinese generals.

Germans did not invade Russia with French generals. Normans didn’t invade England with Frankish generals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan

Kublai Khan claimed the title of Chinese Emperor Shizu of Yuan 元世祖 Yuán shìzǔ in 1271. The Mongol Empire already disintegrated in 1264.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluid_Civil_War

Thus Kublai’s claim to title of Chinese emperor is more significant than his claim to the Mongol title Khagan.

Your use of the phrase “religious intolerance” already shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Chinese culture, and East Asian culture in general, are not uptight about religion. So, there is nothing to be intolerant about when it comes to religion. In case you don’t know, there has never been a religious war or even religious tension in the entire history of East Asia, and there’s a reason for it.

Imagine an alien culture where people are very uptight about their choice of soft drinks. Some people prefer Coke, some prefer Pepsi. Historically, the Coke-drinking people and the Pepsi-drinking people were at each other’s throats, and both groups held contempt for the Mountain Dew drinkers. Over the years, the people in this culture wised up and realized it was silly to fight over their choice of drinks, so they started educating their people about soft drink tolerance.

One day, this alien culture lands on planet Earth and starts lecturing Europeans on the need for soft drink tolerance. This is how absurd it is.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Three Men Laughing by Tiger Creek

Here is the description of the picture:

Song Dynasty painting in the Litang style illustrating the theme “Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism are one”. Depicts Taoist Lu Xiujing (left), official Tao Yuanming (right) and Buddhist monk Huiyuan (center, founder of Pure Land) by the Tiger stream. The stream borders a zone infested by tigers that they just crossed without fear, engrossed as they were in their discussion. Realizing what they just did, they laugh together, hence the name of the picture, Three laughing men by the Tiger stream.

After all, 98% of the content on those two channels I covered was pretty innocuous, so it’s not like they triggered any live-human investigation.

It’s an open secret that host country-friendly videos by Western visitors get a lot of push in Asian countries, China included. These videos are often produced by expatriates or tourists with pro-host country sympathies, with the ostensible purpose of showing fellow Westerners what “life is really like” (“GREAT!”) in the host countries, but in reality are often supported and patronized by host-country viewers and sometimes state-related entities. This is not unique to China. It happens with Westerner videos of South Korea or Japan.

As for the Uyghurs… “Genocide” is a very strong term, perhaps even over-the-top. What the Chinese state has engaged in Xinjiang is Sinification, just as it has in other minority areas such as Inner Mongolia (where the Mongolian population is now only 17% and the Han Chinese 80% or so) and Manchuria (where purebred Manchus are now much rarer and the Manchu language is all but extinct). It does this by encouraging in-migration of the Han Chinese, suppression of Uyghur nationalism, and encouragement of intermarriage as well as, recently, birth control among Uighurs by both subtle and not-so-subtle measures (a UK researcher did an independent study that showed a fertility decline of nearly 50% between 2017 and 2019 among the Uyghurs when the Chinese state introduced birth control measures aimed at “rural Uyghurs”). This figure is not denied by the Chinese state – it merely blames “other causes” for the decline. (I write “recently” here, because in the past, the Chinese were sometimes relaxed about birth control for the non-Han minority groups).

On the one hand, this is a highly rational behavior by the Han Chinese-dominated Chinese state. It is allergically, almost violently wary of “splittism” and the Uyghur have been a particularly cantankerous and rebellious minority (as opposed to, say, ethnic Koreans in Yanbian who earn praise for being loyal citizens of the Chinese state).

Of course, to most Westerners with pluralistic sentiments, whose history of violent centralization is long in the past (does any Frenchman remember how Parisian central government, language, and culture were imposed on, say, Occitania?), this comes off as highly oppressive and intolerant. But most Chinese, especially the Han Chinese, tend to support such centralization, seeing it as modernization.

I once had a Chinese neighbor of mine who came from a small village. He told me he speaks a dialect that is basically only spoken in a handful of villages (as well as Mandarin). When he goes back to China today, he told me, virtually no young person in those villages speaks his dialect. When I expressed mild horror at this – “But it’s sad that all these dialects are dying out – they are expressions of the Chinese past in all its variety and history” – he snorted and matter-of-factly said, “That’s modernization. Now they can all understand each other easily with Mandarin and can rationalize their economy and society.” In other words, they have an attitude that was very common in the West in the 19th century (harnessing the power of the entire country by centralization, economic rationalization, and strengthening state capacity).

I should also mention that, unlike 99.9999% of you here, I’ve actually had conversations about Uyghur terrorism with Chinese intelligence and security personnel, whom I met at a CT conference in the Middle East (who, of course, tried very hard in public to portray Uyghur national liberation movement as some sort of an al-Qaida offshoot, radical Islamist movement).

By the way, you were very dismissive of my past estimates of the Russian KIA in the Russo-Ukrainian War, which I arrived at with a crude measure. I compared the vehicle losses and the KIA for the U.S. forces in Iraq, found the multiple to be about 4, so applied the same to the Russian vehicle losses on Oryx. Then I validated the resulting crude estimate by examining the leaked intelligence, based on SATINT and SIGNINT, of several Russian elite units (Spetsnaz, Marine infantry, etc.) whose losses were “visible.”

Well, Oryx has tabulated about 20,000 Russian vehicle losses as of now (12/2024), which would make for about 80,000 Russian KIA. BBC Russia and Mediazona project has been able to verify a hard lower bound of about 83,000 KIA from Russian central and local government information as well as funeral notices and family social media posts and such. Mediazona estimates that the actual KIA figure is probably higher than this (the hard verified number being something like 35-65% of the actual overall KIA number, estimated at 128K to 185K), which would make sense, given that the war (and the Russian tactical doctrine) has become highly infantry-heavy (whereas Russia fought very vehicle-heavy in the early part of the war), meaning the vehicle loss-to-KIA is multiple is probably higher than 4 today.

When you also asked me about my opinion of the Ukrainian losses, I told you that this is much more opaque, but I would expect somewhere between 50% to 200% of the Russian losses (2-to-1 against Ukraine to 2-to-1 against Russia), with 100% (1-to-1) being the best guess given the largely stalemated nature of the conflict. Well, WaPo, citing confidential Ukrainian sources arrived at about 80,000 KIA and 400,000 wounded. Even at 50% to 200%, that, again, is consistent with my earlier estimate.

Does your favored expert, Douglas Macgregor still predict the collapse of Ukraine next week, every week?

Today’s Xinjiang was part of the Djungaria (Mongol) Empire at the beginning of the Qing Dynasty. The Djungaria were later defeated by the Qing empire. With Xinjiang depopulated, Qing officials then repopulated the region with immigrants including the Uyghurs.

Yup. “East Turkestan” was actually populated by the Dzungar Oirat Mongols who were annihilated by the Qing (Manchu) Dynasty who brought in the Han, Hui, Uyghur, and Manchus to repopulate the region (especially the northern part of the area).

The real genocide in Xinjiang happened during the Qing Dynasty and the ancestors of the present day Uyghurs were beneficiaries of the said genocide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide#Demographic_changes

How could 4. help determine if your elites are malicious or stupid/ignorant/etc.?

What I mean by 4 is that if you take a given policy, e.g. race-mixing propaganda, you can look at comparable countries that aren’t run by an elite minority. If it’s a common thing to do, it indicates that this is just something that a country’s establishment in a particular situation typically does. Comparisons can be historical and current. For example, Alexander was not an alien elite, he was a Macedonian, but as soon as he toppled the Persian empire he began pushing his men to take Persian wives. Dr. Francia of Paraguay banned any non-interracial/ethnic marriage. We might look at Singapore. LKY was not an alien elite, he was part of the majority Chinese Singaporean population. He also sought to integrate minorities but did the Singaporean establishment run race-mixing propaganda (e.g. in advertisements)? Does China re the Uighurs and Han?

Another example is the birth rate. I’ve heard some ascribe this to deliberate policies by the govt but clearly this is a global phenomenon. A huge problem in Korea. The elites have thus far been too incompetent/stupid to deal with it.

I’m not saying this is dispositive but it might help.

Are we sure that 3c obtains, given the fact that hatred is often repressed, and always suppressed?

Eh, I think that’s overrated. Reminds me of Richard Hanson’s book ‘The Elephant in the Brain’ wherein the author takes some weird psychological phenomena and extrapolates them to the general notion that people rarely understand the real reasons behind their own actions. I don’t buy it. People generally know what they are doing. Anyway, again it’s not dispositive but helpful and I think MacDonald’s main technique but he fails to examine patronage which I consider to be the key.

How do 3a and 3b apply? They could have lots of excuses for either, which seem legitimate to them, and don’t seem to prove that they are or are not stupid/ignorant/etc.

If Jews push race-mixing for non-Jews but eschew it for their own children, it indicates they are trying to execute the miscegenation of the White goys while maintaining their own racial integrity.
If Jews push for mass migration into America but are against it in Israel, it supports the hostile hypothesis. Sure, they might say something like that the cases are different cause Israel’s birth rate is healthy and America’s is not.

Well, these are just some ideas on how to empirically disentangle this phenomenon.

Diplomacy traditionally has consisted of pleasantries. Is that necessary? Can anybody prove that it is necessary?

Perhaps a Trump/Xi presidential debate would be beneficial.

Where I come from, there is a saying that “A family’s fortune lasts 3 generations�. The first generation knows poverty and works hard to achieve a fortune. The second generation has seen their parents work hard and even tasted it in their youth, so they work to preserve that fortune. The third generation that has known only comfort, indulges in frivolous things and fritters the fortune away.

You can easily solve this problem by only allowing your children to each congee with a few scraps of organ meat, sleep on a straw mat, and to never know they are rich. Make sure they are always the poorest kid in the class. When they turn 25, suddenly bequeath them their inheritance so that they can do something with it. The ingrained hunger will be impossible to reverse.

@Unz

I’ve been chucked off so many sites for refusing to sing with the chorus, I’ve almost lost count:

Weaponsman (3X)
Western Rifle Shooters (2X)
VoxDay
Gates of Vienna

etc.

and I’m spending too much time on this pile of hope’ium, cope’ium, and tinfoil.

adios.

2) and despite all the vlogger-transubstantiated urban Chinese glitz, a phrase from old Russia comes to mind:

Potemkin Village

So you assert that China’s urban glitz is a Potemkin Village, a false front?

My answer is that the cities of Shanghai and Chongqing each have over 30 million people, which means that together they have more people than California. (Shanghai by itself has almost California’s population.) Now you are almost certainly not claiming that California is a Potemkin Village. And I doubt the US could fake the state if it desired to do it. How could China, which is only the world’s second largest economy, possibly fake a super-California?

(And China has far more than just Shanghai and Chongqing. Cities like Wuhan, Nanjing, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Xiamen, etc. etc. are not far behind.)

You want to be like Groucho Marx: you want to tell people who see China’s gleaming cities to believe you and not their lying eyes.

Yeah, but China is full of sane, decent, intelligent human beings, and the USA most certainly is NOT.

They’ve been doing that in winter for decades, you moronic, pig ignorant, racist pos troll.

“That is why they model many of their policies on those of Singapore”

The big difference between Singapore and China is that of scale. A small regional entity that takes advantage of an advantageous geographical location can keep and reinvest its wealth, but China must repurpose gains throughout its hinterlands, otherwise suppress uprisings emanating from public disenchantment arising from excessive wealth disparities. The magnetic levitation high-speed monorail system was initially developed in Germany, and the first practical implementation was supposed to have been to connect the country’s two largest cities, Berlin and Hamburg. Eventually the project was aborted, due to costs and public opposition. If Hamburg, with Europe’s third busiest port, were fully independent, such a project might have still been seen as affordable.

“This constant updating and upgrading is something we also could have done in the West, but for some reason that I still can’t understand, we simply didn’t.”

That is likely because Western people value and prefer quality of life over superficial indicators of progress and therefore do not relish living in an environment under continuous construction and renewal, which tends to be perceived as disruptive. For instance, both Mercer Consulting and The Economist publish a ranking of livable cities throughout the world, taking into account numerous weighted factors and indicators. In Europe the three cities that rank at the top are Vienna, Zurich, and Copenhagen; in the Anglo-sphere the top cities are Auckland, Vancouver, and Melbourne. Try finding where Singapore and the top Chinese cities are. Most people in Asia probably aspire to have a higher quality of life too, like many who live in European cities, especially those that are magnets for tourism.

Look, troll-you read like that lunatic Adrian Zenz. In other words a Sinophobic, racist LIAR. Just why you do it, whether you are a die-hard racist, a Western supremacist furious at China’s rise or a jihadist propagandist, or some melange of those abominations, who cares. Perhaps, like Zenz, you are a ‘born-again (once was too much) ‘Christian’ ‘led by God’, ie a deranged narcissist. If evil scum like you have your way, and the West attacks China, that will be it for the West.

I commend Mr. Unz for another very balanced and logical essay. As a big fan who have read many of your online essays and books (5 or 6 of them already), I am constantly amazed that your very cogent views are somehow considered contrarian and minority-view in the US. They should be shared by any thinking policy maker or just average educated citizen.

As a Chinese, I have already tuned out the dishonest western media when it comes to reporting on China (or any adversarial countries for that matter). I used to read NYT, WSJ, FT, the Economist, etc almost on daily basis, especially their reports on China, for at least 2 decades. But since 2017 or so, the bias in the reporting has become epidemic, even laughable. Now I receive most of my news from the so-called alternative media.

I myself have published a few Substack articles about Chinese economy, technology and military preparedness vs. US. I certainly share Mr. Unz’s views and hopefully have some additional data points to contribute. Attached are a few links.

I want to extend Mr. Unz an open invitation to visit China. I’ll be happy to host you anywhere you’d like to visit. I myself certainly serve as a living proof of the vast changes that have happened in China – I was earning an income 6,000 times of my first job after college in 1993, when I retired 6 years ago. And no, I wasn’t a business owner either. I’d love to share some insights from an authentic local Chinese perspective.

https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/china-vs-us-gdp-comparison-and-what

https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/comparing-china-and-us-critical-future

https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/chinese-economy-is-growing-more-slowly

Thanks, your video is fascinating stuff, I see that is was filmed in 2013?…and you have the soothing voice of a natural documentary narrator.

I was previously not a member of Rumble, but I just registered because I wanted to follow your stuff…LOL

Personally I don’t think that it is off topic at all, and other readers here who are unfamiliar with China would benefit alot from it.

I also think that Ron would welcome your video as it only illustrates more of what he was trying to convey in this article.

My compliments to you.

She prefers or has chosen to go thousands of miles away to contribute to a foreign land to help impact that nation for the better, rather than choose to stay home in the US and use her knowledge to help make a positive difference in the land of her ancestors—the United States .

What she learns in a foreign land can only enrich her experience and ability. When she does return to the USA, the wider and deeper perspectives that she now has would only be of benefit, no?

Anyways it is 2024, there is plenty of ways to benefit the USA without living there full time.

As everyone knows from the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts, international organizations are overwhelmingly under Western government control.

There are several international and UN organizations that have been corrupted by biased influences, mostly Western geopolitical interests and ideological fads.

The example of the IPCC shows that even nominally scientific enterpises are not free of these influences and that institutions can even be created anew to serve an ideological purpose.

Other UN organization are very large and extremely inefficient beaurocracies.

Sometimes it seems that the entire edifice of international institutions has to be erased and a small part re-built, re-located and re-formulated from scratch.

You may be surprised to learn that the majority of Han Chinese (64% in 2007) were not subject to the so-called one child policy due to exemptions like family history and geographic region. Those that were simply paid the “fee” for the additional children. Complete misnomer from the Western lexicon (who believes CIA talking points now?). It was a eugenic policy designed to keep the poorer and less intelligent from having more children. It was even called the eugenic policy in Chinese before Western whining implored them to change the name. The policy ended in 2013, and you are dragging it into the question of current Uyghur treatment? Xi is now the leader and yes he is an absolute hardliner and Han supremacist.

Sorry to be a stickler but the Grayzone did not call the 2018 UN report garbage… they said that the MSM’s interpretations of it were.

I have not been to China, but not all of it is open for public inspection. Don’t you think that if 2 million (or whatever the number) of your tougher men were in “re-education camps” that what would be left behind would be far more docile, both by nature and circumstance? It’s an artificially created compliance. The Chinese are masters at good cop, bad cop, with an emphasis on the latter.

I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything? Why will an injured person lying in the street be ignored by passers-by for hours (or even reversed on by drivers so that they don’t have to pay restitution)? Why is European overseas colonialism from the past bad, but landlocked Chinese colonialism from 1950 to present good? Why is the Dalai Lama in exile? Does a regime that bans men from having beards deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt? If Christians are banned from having a portrait of Jesus in their own home (while Xi’s is mandatory) what else is happening in that country that we can’t fully know about?

The way NOT to answer these questions is to say “But did you know Mosque ABC or Cathedral XYZ is open to tourists?” The neo-Ottoman Sultan Erdogan also has one of Christianity’s greatest edifices as an open museum (and planned to turn it into a mosque). A lot of you like posting video-blogging presentations from happy-go-lucky Western liberals who in the USA could be gullible enough to support BLM, LGBT or other pro-regime ideologies. If I am not mistaken, the number one China-related streamer in the West is now the “China fakes everything” guy.

I know all your articles. I wrote “first to my knowledge” and “scientific”. Those sociologist did not clearly advance the inevitable rise on grounds of the genetic basis on which the culture of course coevolves but depends as prior (try force the culture away, it is going to return in a generation or two, take the genes away and the culture is gone.)
I admit, one can argue my concept of “scientific” is too harsh and not sufficiently charitable to such early authors, but the focus on culture without understanding coevolution of social systems always ends up quite unscientific.

“Here’s an honest question for you. Have you actually read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Diamond? ….. I actually did read the book a half-dozen years ago and found 95% of it excellent, even outstanding, though I’d certainly agree with the sharp criticism leveled against the remaining 5%.”

Yes I did go ahead and read the full book (instead of just a good detailed summary, as per my first criticism). And of course that didn’t change my views on Jared Diamond generally offering schlock, in the publication, as I first outlined, just as I suspected would be the case (your smearing attempts ended up wasting a bit of my time, just as I suspected it would, but what the hell, I did agree to humor you, in this respect, in earlier commenting):

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-public-health-problems/?showcomments#comment-5111991

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-public-health-problems/?showcomments#comment-5112823

I absolutely cannot share you view that the book was in any way ‘excellent’, though 95% of it was pretty good Darwinian standard fare, (as I maintained all along), but as completely ruined by Diamond’s ham-handed attempts with respect to using that Darwinian standard fare as smokescreen to go on to proffer his misplaced cryptic animus towards western peoples (i.e. – the crypsis was ham-handed, as completely transparent to my cognition, though you continue to admit that it went completely over your head). Maybe you should finally read my earlier comments so maybe you can finally ‘get it’. I had also offered an even earlier comment, that summarized the obvious, as well:

https://www.unz.com/article/biology-is-blasphemy-racist-reality-meets-anti-racist-inanity/#comment-4834847

As far as the ‘stupid’ goes, why not change tacks and stop with the misdirection as is your usual pattern, and address my current criticism, offered here in this thread, of your wrong-headed recent take with respect to Kevin MacDonald’s actual points, which of course, as is your usual pattern, you sought a misdirection, instead (but yet again). All this is getting a bit much. Maybe you should engage publicly directly with Kevin MacDonald so that he can sort you out, as to his views, so that you can finally properly address that, as that is precisely what is sorely needed among Jews, more than ever now, as the west is becoming more and more-so swamped by Jewish duplicity (unless that growing western quagmire is OK with you, that is).

Oh, and once I tried to post this comment forthwith, I saw it was blocked. And you claim I am hysterical around said censorship directed towards me. Let’s see if it goes though in this, the new day.

Get on with the needed analysis all round, already Unz. You continue to fail on many fronts, as I have outlined for you, many times. This is all becoming rather pathetic and unbecoming for a supposedly brilliant man, such as yourself. You are pretty good at outlining ‘the trees’ (historical occurrences of JQ duplicity) but continue to be rather muddle-headed on ‘the forest’ (it is not generally Jewish duplicity but something else, maybe even ‘brilliant excellence’ you then might conclude, thus blinding you to the likes of Jared Diamond’s ham-handed attempts at precisely this duplicity, by way of example, or by way of another example, choosing to misunderstand Kevin MacDonald’s offerings, as you clearly chose to ‘misunderstand’ within this your current article).

What do you care? She wasn’t going to breed with a flaccid incel like you regardless.

And what exactly are you doing to help America besides virtue signaling on the internet?

Rhetorical question, exactly nothing.

You have such a high IQ that you rant about face diapers on an article that has nothing to do with covid or masks.

I think your low IQ ass will feel more at home on Facebook.

Her DNA and ancestors are from Europe, she is the descendant of those who made the exact same decision to go thousands of miles to a new foreign land. She is not a Native American. The white skin that people around the globe associate with American is a temporary aberration of history. America is not a white nor European continent. Some European settlers arrived and had children but they never were the majority of the Americas and are now having less children while the more Native-blooded mestizos have more children.

She is as “American” as Will Smith or Nikki Haley or Prince Charles or Netanyahu.

Yes, never underestimate the ability of self-delusion on the part of an economic-political elite. You are right, at the start of WWII, Hitler’s generals were extremely skeptical of Germany’s ability to win in a long war but Hitler argued that Soviet industrial statistics were a propaganda falsity and the US was too decadent to be a major factor-Hitler was deluded but his personal communicative skills persuaded his generals to share his delusions. By 1943 even Hitler admitted he was wrong (witness his confession to Marshal Mannerheim) but he continued the war by deluding himself that some sort of miracle will occur-it happened in the Seven Years War with the Czarina dying so enabling Frederick the Great to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat so why couldn’t it happen again?

Concerning the US, the US elite is extremely ignorant-the vast majority of the elite do not know that Chinese shipyards build 232 more ships than the US. Gulp! Even if they did know, to them building ships is less important than making a great twitter comment that will go viral. They also share the delusion that the US is absolutely the best in everything.

Yes in a way but one could argue the US gave up on Katherine just as much as Katherine gave up on the US-there are a lot of Western patriots who are burned out by the sheer idiocy and stupidity of the modern West. In the Cold War, lots of East European patriots defected to the West because their homelands did not value their contributions to enhancing their homelands or even repressed them if they tried to contribute.

The Japanese are known for their pedantry, and you have reminded us of it.

The fact that you have to resort to pedantry to support your argument shows you are out of anything point of value.

The rank of the soldier that is sent to the front is not the issue. It is who ordered them to conduct the invasion that matters.

But since you want to be pedantic:

Germans did not invade Russia with French generals

Irrelevant point because the Germans invaded the USSR.

Normans didn’t invade England with Frankish generals.

Irrelevant because
1. The Normans did not conquer France.
2. Francia, the Frankish Kingdom ended 200 years before the Norman conquest of England.

It’s an open secret that host country-friendly videos by Western visitors get a lot of push in Asian countries, China included.

This is a valid point.

In any other country, this may be true. But with China this argument is problematic, because:
1. Chinese viewers do not normally have access to Youtube since Google pulled out of China. They are plugged into their local equivalent Youku. So there is no incentive for the vloggers to flatter the Chinese audience.
2. Using the above fact, the vloggers actually have more incentive to post anti-China videos to satisfy the current Western taste for anti-China content.
3. If they feel hesitant to post anti-China videos while they are still in China due to “Big Brother” concerns, they can always do it after they leave China. Yet they do not.

You can easily solve this problem by only allowing your children to each congee with a few scraps of organ meat, sleep on a straw mat, and to never know they are rich. Make sure they are always the poorest kid in the class.

LOL. How could we manage to do that when we can’t even refuse our precious 3 year olds when they demand to watch cartoons on our mobile phones every time we sit them down to eat.

Seriously though….that would be an interesting experiment.

I salute you for exposing the despicable fraud that is littlereddot.

‘I cannot help think of the frog in a pot of slowly boiling pot of water’

And I cannot help think that is something only a Chinese would say due in no small part to China’s appalling animal abuse record.

Do you meet up with littlereddot for monthly Bejing debriefs?.

Just curious.

We might look at Singapore. LKY was not an alien elite, he was part of the majority Chinese Singaporean population.

Actually Lee Kuan Yew was from a minority group that few westerners know of.

THE BABAS OF SINGAPORE

Important and concise article. Thank you.

Like Sachs, you cannot bring yourself to name those subverting USA: Jews, White racists and capitalists. On covid, you are totally off base on what killed, and is killing, people, and the plan now in motion.

Germans did not invade Russia with French generals. Normans didn’t invade England with Frankish generals.

The japs took along their Korean house-slaves in their invasion of China. How does that make the Koreans guilty but the japs NOT?!!

The point is, without the japs taking the Koreans to China, the Korean soldiers simply would NOT have been there killing Chinese.

Thus Kublai’s claim to title of Chinese emperor is more significant than his claim to the Mongol title Khagan.

I suggested, in an earlier post of mine, that when the time comes China should ship African soldiers to japland and let them take over that land and jap women. The noble savagery in the African Y-chromosome will purify the racial filth of Yamato-Damashii!

Diversity is NOT our strength. With rare exceptions, homogeneous societies always outperform mongrel societies.

You people are pathetic. Constantly complaining about how Whites don’t understand you. They have no obligation to. You have an obligation to understand them in order to better defend yourselves. This is a conflict between incompatible subspecies of the Homo genus over the usual things animals fight over. Their hostility is driven by instinct. No amount of blathering will change it.

Personally I think that Europeans are not as passive or as submissive as Anglo-Saxons and Swedes but that they are better at play-acting at giving submission and consent. Unlike Anglo-Saxons and Swedes almost all continental Europeans have direct experience with either dictatorship and/or foreign occupation thus they know when to kowtow when their superiors demand obedience. Anglo-Saxons and Swedes never really had experience with dictatorship thus are very naive and trusting-if their mainstream media and politicians say something is true then they truly believe its true. Continental Europeans, on the other hand, are masters at perceiving nuances-if their media say something , they know they have to agree and that for them it is better to be seen as submitting and agreeing. Of course, this means that if a historical event comes about where the overlords are seen as losing power the populace can suddenly turn on a dime.

Even so its really difficult to say who is more submissive-Americans or Continental Europeans. As I have said I personally believe Europeans are just better at acting out rites of submission but perhaps you are right and Europeans, in this historical era, are more passive and submissive. It truly is a difficult question to ponder-either way European-derived peoples, whether living in Europe or America, don’t look too good being led to what might very well be their doom without any cries of protest or resistance.

The planet cannot take much more of such material progress; no, I did not mention climate change. Their population plateauing is a very good thing.

‘A nice break from frenetic China’

I was wondering if you were one of the many ‘China is coming’ Bejing-bots here on Unz but I guess you can’t be because a true Chinese really ugly urban life comment like that i imagine would be a ‘your fired’ offence.

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What can these desperados do but spin it?

‘The Japanese are known for their pedantry’

And you are known for your ugly and spiritually immature Chinese supremacist outlook and that is why you just can’t help yourself in not putting a close neighbor to China down like that.

This ladies and gents is the typical Chinese supremacistand tribal mind of the very next bad Jews and bad non Jew Zionists.

Please please do be Bejing-bot aware at all times here on the microcosm that is Unz review.

From another former Chinese student reporting from China

In this report

Outflows of cash from China’s finance markets reaches $45.7 billion in the prior month. This is mostly due to Westerners bailing on Chinese bonds due to low rates.

Currently it is taking 6 units of Chink debt for each unit of Chink GDP growth. So sad! (also not that I believe that there is ANY Chink growth … but he is reporting based on official statistics)

China extends visa free layovers for tourists to 10 days – gotta suck up those tourist dollars …. not that there many of those tourist dollars left. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Premier Li Qiang voices his support for investigating the kidnapping of business leaders and other rich for extortion by provincial police. Chinese provinces are pulling out all stops in order to meet revenue goals and a bit of kidnapping fits in well with Commie Chink behavior.

One hypothesis advanced by Prof. Kevin MacDonald is that the West has fallen under the control of a “hostile elite,� that for various reasons hates the population that it governs and has therefore deliberately sought to inflict harm upon its own society. Although I’m willing to accept that this might apply to a small fraction of those individuals, I’m skeptical that such animus is any broader than that. My own contrary explanation is that for the last generation or two, a substantial fraction of our ruling elites have consisted of parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths. But I’d freely admit that the two possibilities may sometimes be difficult to successfully distinguish in empirical fashion.

There is much truth in both explanations.

1. Hostile elites
The hostility of Western rulers was on display with covid era lies, restrictions and imposing untested quasi-vaccines. This was facilitated by the large number of people who robotically trusted and obeyed media and authority figures.

I prefer to not use the word elite when describing the financial and corporate rulers and their servants. One definition for elite is “the best or most skilled members of a group.�

2. “Parasitic and totally incompetent criminal sociopaths�
Demonstrated by Western leaders’ eagerness for war and funding the destruction of Gaza.

“The first rule involves the bitter pill of accepting that some people literally have no conscience.� Martha Stout, The Sociopath Next Door

Parasite Removal
http://gemini6.onlinewebshop.net/parasite.pdf

If this was a true ‘Pravda’ article there would be graphs showing world league tables of vegetarianism where India would be top by a long long way and truly disgusting China would rank well below Israel.YES ISRAEL.

True Pravda should includes all God’s creatures including all those rudderless sharks the selfish Chinese toss back in the sea after cutting of their fins.

I wouldn’t go to China if given a free first class return plane ticket and free 5 star hotel for 2 weeks.

Well, I consider myself Peranakan.

My parents both spoke Teochew. I do too, but not as well as I would like. It did not help that dialects were discouraged in favour of Mandarin when I went to school.

Both my grandmothers wore sarong kebayas as their normal everyday wear. One grandmother chewed betel nuts. Both spoke Teochew, celebrated Chinese New Year, visited graves at Qing Ming, etc etc.

One grandmother did not have much schooling so she spoke only Malay and Teochew.
The other grandmother did have some education so she could speak Mandarin in addition to Teochew and Malay. Her English wasn’t too good though.

One grandfather was fortunate to go to a Christian mission school and learned English. He became the first local pharmacist in Singapore…a position that probably saved him from Japanese execution during WW2 when Peranakans were disproportionately targeted. The Japanese made no distinction between Peranakan and Sinkeh. The deemed any ethnic Chinese who had an education to be a threat and had them “disappeared”.

My father spoke Teochew, Malay and English.
My mother spoke Teochew, Malay and English… and a little Mandarin in her later years. She used to wear Sarong Kebayas for special occasions.

My grandparents had to write home to our ancestral village in Teng Hai (Cheng Hai) just north of Swatow in order to get the generational name for my father, who was the eldest son of his generation in Singapore.

One difference though, at Chinese New Year, our food was Peranakan, served on a Tok Panjang (long table) style. It featured dishes like Ayam Buah Keluak, Chap Chye, Bakwan Kepiting, etc.

Lee Kuan Yew was a peranakan baba. Peranakan babas must not be confused with chinese. They are different. Peranakans don’t speak any sort of chinese language or dialect. They actually know nothing about chinese culture. They are a separate group from chinese people.

This is may not apply to all Peranakan families. The Peranakan community was constantly receiving new additions to the family from China. The side of the family that had arrived from China 2 generations prior would of course speak more Chinese than a family which arrived 5 generations prior.

To the British, the Babas and Nonyas were lumped together with the Chinese.

This was because the Peranakans were the natural intermediaries. Some could speak both Chinese and English. And all Peranakans could speak Malay which was the lingua franca at the time.

While Chinese culture would have been totally alien to the British administrators, the Peranakans had some familiarity with them.

They were assigned dialect affiliations which were alien to them.

This is not true. Many Peranakans maintained contact with their ancestral villages in China. As I mentioned, older folk use to write home to China to ask the elders to choose suitable names for their children/generation.

All Peranakans can tell you what extraction they are, be it Hokkien or Teochew or Hakka. They may not be able to speak the language with the same fluency as those born in China, but they fully identified as Chinese also. In the same way that an ABC would identify as fully as an American, and an ethnic Chinese at the same time.

Many leading Babas like Lee Kuan Yew played down their Baba heritage.

This is because for a long time they felt looked down upon. Many Chinese considered they disdained the Peranakans and considered them mongrelised.

I too for a long time would not volunteer that I am Peranakan, unless it was relevant to the conversation. Only now it seems to have become fashionable, and there is no more stigma to it. The turning point happened when the TV series Little Nonya aired.

How do I explain the phenomenon? Now after China has opened up and receiving much more global attention, Singapore is confronted with a China that is more Chinese that it can ever be. So Singaporeans are forced to find a unique identity for themselves. What could be more convenient than the Peranakan heritage?

Pajeet,

Are you craving attention so much that you are here trolling again?

This video is way more entertaining.