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Although his public service career stretches back for nearly sixty years and he probably ranks as one of our most distinguished professional diplomats, until the last year or so I was only dimly aware of Charles W. “Chas” Freeman, Jr.

I had occasionally read some of his opinion columns and perhaps one or two of his articles, and those always seemed to provide good and sensible points about the foreign policy issues that he addressed. Every now and then I’d seen him quoted in news stories, usually regarding either the Middle East or China, and his brief remarks were cogent ones. Articles on the latter topic sometimes mentioned the striking detail that very early in his long career he had served as the personal interpreter for President Richard Nixon during the latter’s historic 1972 trip to China and his meetings with Mao. But aside from that, my awareness of Freeman’s history or his activities was fairly low.

There was one notable exception to this. At the beginning of the first Obama Administration in February 2009, Freeman had been selected to serve as chair of our National Intelligence Council, tasked with assessing and assimilating reports from our 17 different intelligence agencies, then presenting the unified conclusions to the Director of National Intelligence and through him to the president. But although Freeman was eminently suited for that crucial American position, many members of the Israel Lobby regarded him as insufficiently loyal to the foreign country that they themselves served. So they mounted a fierce and very vocal lobbying campaign that successfully blocked his appointment, and I remembered reading about that unfolding controversy in my newspapers at the time.

One fatal black mark against Freeman had been that in 1997 he had succeeded former Sen. George McGovern as president of the Middle East Policy Council (MEPC). Although that organization possessed barely a sliver of AIPAC’s power and influence, Freeman declared that MEPC “strives to ensure that a full range of U.S. interests and views are considered by policy makers,” a goal that the Israel Lobby obviously viewed with extreme disfavor.

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In 2006, Profs. John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt released their original working-paper version of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, and MEPC became the first American outlet to publish it. Freeman endorsed its conclusions, saying that “No one else in the United States has dared to publish this article, given the political penalties that the Lobby imposes on those who criticize it.” Such penalties were demonstrated a couple of years later when Freeman’s own top-level appointment was blocked.

These events had all taken place many years ago, so I refreshed my memory of the details by reading Freeman’s 6,000 word Wikipedia entry, which contained a large section devoted to that controversy. But everything in that coverage and the rest of the article was far more laudatory than I ever would have expected, suggesting that the former ambassador’s record was so exemplary that all efforts by agitated pro-Israel activists to blacken his name had completely failed. Indeed, upon the defeat of Freeman’s 2009 nomination, David Broder, the dean of DC correspondents, published a Washington Post column entitled “The Country’s Loss,” bemoaning the success of the Israel lobbyists in forcing the former ambassador’s withdrawal.

That same Wikipedia entry also described Freeman’s long and varied government career, noting that his legal research became “the intellectual basis for the Taiwan Relations Act” that has officially governed our policy with that island nation for the last half-century.

In 1986 Freeman was appointed Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs and played a key role in negotiating the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola along with the independence of Namibia. Appointed U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia in 1989, he held that post for the next three years, including during the very crucial period of America’s Gulf War against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, and then served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs from 1993 to 1994. His professional stature led him to be selected as the editor of the Encyclopædia Britannica‘s entry on “Diplomacy,” and he accumulated a long list of impressive awards and honors during his decades of government service:

In his thirty-year diplomatic career, Freeman received two Distinguished Public Service Awards, three Presidential Meritorious Service Awards, two Distinguished Honor Awards, the CIA Medallion, a Defense Meritorious Service Award, and four Superior Honor Awards.[10] He speaks fluent Chinese, French, Spanish, and Arabic and has a working knowledge of several other languages.[4]

Despite Freeman’s long and distinguished career, he only came to my direct attention during the last year after I began watching some of his interviews on a couple of the YouTube channels that I follow. These included his half-hour segments on Judge Andrew Napolitano’s channel and especially his hour-long appearances on Dialogue Works.

The various video platforms and social media distribution systems have now allowed the Internet to almost completely replace cable news shows and other electronic broadcast media for much of the public, including myself, and this helps explain the collapsing ratings of those traditional media outlets.

So whereas in the past, I would only see Freeman’s name in a news quote or on an op-ed once every year or so, I could now watch him thoughtfully expressing his views on major matters every week for thirty minutes or a full hour, doing so almost completely free of the traditional media gatekeepers who might have heavily filtered his message or even banned him entirely.

Matters had been very different during the early 2000s. Back then, top credentialed critics of our Iraq War were blacklisted from the media and therefore completely disappeared from the public debate. This befell my old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who had run the NSA for Ronald Reagan, and after his passing a few years later, I described his plight.

By contrast these days the views of a figure such as Freeman are easily available to anyone interesting in hearing them, and his interviews often demonstrated the sort of candor and courage that would never be allowed to appear on CNN or MSNBC, let alone on FoxNews.

Freeman’s statements were always provided in the subdued, careful tones of a lifelong professional diplomat now in his early 80s and the depth and breadth of his knowledge greatly impressed me. For example, in his latest interview just a few days ago, he carefully reviewed developments in East Asia—China, South Korea, and Japan—then easily shifted to Syria, Lebanon, and the rest of the Middle East, finally closing with a discussion of Russia’s ongoing Ukraine war, always seeming to possess total command of the local details in each of those different regions.

Among other interesting points, he mentioned that Japan had spent many years quietly building military systems that could very quickly be transformed into a powerful independent deterrent capability. So if our country got itself into a hot war with the Chinese, Japan might well use that opportunity to suddenly disengage from its postwar American alliance and become fully independent once again.

Meanwhile, in a somewhat sad but completely matter-of-fact tone, Freeman suggested that the government and soldiers of Israel these days shared many characteristics with the fanatic and bloodthirsty terrorists of ISIS, and were just as unwilling to comply with international law or respect any agreements they had made. Such statements would be totally unimaginable on traditional electronic media.

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Freeman’s previous interview a couple of weeks earlier was also very interesting. He began by discussing the ICC arrest warrant issued against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the latter’s vehement public denunciation in response, which Freeman described as “the most monumental list of lies,” declaring that our total support for Israel put us at war with international law, resulting in our isolation from the world. He also reviewed the European situation and Russia’s ongoing war in Ukraine, with the entire segment being well worth watching.

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In listening to many of Freeman’s long interviews and reading the texts of his public speeches, I never came across the slightest example of any non-mainstream or conspiratorial beliefs, and all of his ideas seemed firmly situated within our official narratives. Thus, Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda militants were entirely responsible for the 9/11 Attacks and the Jewish Holocaust of World War II was one of history’s most horrific atrocities. From his personal perspective, racism, antisemitism, and Islamophobia were some of the world’s worst moral evils, and one of our greatest international challenges was coping with the terrible threat of Climate Change.

Given Freeman’s extreme courage on other matters, I’m sure he was entirely sincere and candid in expressing those positions, which have probably been almost universal among all of his professional colleagues and members of his personal circle. As someone born in 1943, his entire life has been lived within our conventional narrative framework, and he had already reached his 60s before the Internet became a significant source of alternate information, so he certainly cannot be faulted for never questioning any of this.

Freeman seems a perfect example of an important development in our ideological landscape. Over the last couple of decades and especially the last several years, control of American foreign policy has been seized by extremist forces once dismissed as fringe elements. As Col. Larry Wilkerson explained in one of his own interviews, during his first term of service as chief of staff to Colin Powell in the George H.W. Bush Administration, the Neocons had routinely been called “the crazies” by the national security and foreign policy establishments. But when he returned to government service a decade later in the George W. Bush Administration, those same Neocons soon successfully seized control of those establishments.

As a direct result of this process, many fully mainstream individuals, whether academic scholars such as John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs, and Ted Postol, or military and intelligence experts such as Col. Wilkerson, Col. Douglas Macgregor, and Ray McGovern, have been pushed into alternative circles. None of these figures changed their views, but the political spectrum underwent such a radical shift that merely by staying in place they became relegated to its margins.

I recently discovered that Freeman has a small personal website, providing his biographical background and links to his past appearances in the traditional media. But it also includes the transcripts of the many dozens of public speeches he had given over the last couple of decades.

These latter all seem based upon very carefully prepared written texts, so they amounted to long and thoughtful opinion pieces on China, the Middle East, or other crucial world flashpoints, and I greatly benefited from reading quite a number of them. Although few if any of his statements surprised me, they were all informed by Freeman’s deep expertise and his historical insight.

For example, earlier this year he made some crucial points regarding the nature of our ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine:

Our country invented the modern sphere of influence. In the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary to it, we asserted a right to limit the freedom of maneuver of the countries of the Western Hemisphere and to demand their deference to our political and economic interests. After World War II, Americans expanded our sphere of influence to include Western Europe and Northeast Asia. In the post-Cold War period, Washington adapted the hegemonic principles of the Monroe Doctrine to the unipolar moment and extended our sphere of influence to the entire world beyond the borders of Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea. In the end, the only countries bordering Russia other than those of Central Asia not in our sphere of influence were Georgia and Ukraine. American neoconservatives saw these neighbors of Russia as vacuums to be filled by U.S. military power.

Early last year, he had emphasized the dangerously self-destructive nature of the global conflict we had provoked with China, and he argued that our situation was entirely different from what we had faced during our long Cold War against the USSR. Indeed, our own country now found itself closer to the situation of that latter vanquished adversary:

In international affairs, as in physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Our actions have stimulated China to mirror, meet, and match our military hostility to it. We are now in an arms race with China, and it is far from clear that we are holding our own. Our apparent determination to hang onto Taiwan as part of an American sphere of influence in East Asia and our aggressive patrolling of China’s borders with naval and air forces have provided Beijing with the justification for its rapid reconfiguration and comprehensive modernization of the PLA.

The PLA Navy (PLAN) is now the world’s largest. Some PLAN ships are reportedly equipped with railguns, a technology we have been unable to develop and deploy. The land-based PLA Rocket Force fields ballistic missiles capable of striking moving aircraft carriers 1,000 miles from China. China fields hypersonic missiles against which we have no defense. The PLA Air Force now possesses the world’s largest bomber force as well as fighters equipped with air-to-air missiles that outrange ours. Beijing is beefing up its nuclear capabilities to deter renewed U.S. intervention in its unfinished civil war with the political heirs of Chiang Kai-shek, who lost his war with the Chinese Communist Party on the mainland but, with U.S. backing, reestablished his regime in Taipei.

Despite China’s remarkable military buildup, Beijing has so far kept defense spending well below two percent of GDP. Meanwhile, cost control continues to elude the Pentagon. DoD has never passed an audit and is infamous for the waste, fraud, and mismanagement that result from its reliance on cost-plus procurement from the U.S. equivalent of profit-driven state-owned enterprises – military-industrial corporate bureaucracies whose revenues (and profits) come entirely from the government. The U.S. defense budget is out of control in terms of our ability to pay for it.

Four decades ago, the United States bankrupted the Soviet Union by forcing it to devote ever more of its economy to defense while neglecting the welfare of its citizens. Now we Americans are diverting ever more borrowed and taxpayer dollars to our military even as our human and physical infrastructure decays. In some ways, in relation to China, we are now in the position of the USSR in the Cold War. Our fiscal trajectory is injurious to the general welfare of Americans. That, along with our liberties, is, however, what our armed forces are meant to defend.

A long 2020 discussion of the same subject was so detailed and thoughtful that large sections of it are worth quoting:

Washington has declared war on China. The administration and its allies hope that the war will be “cold,” but have no strategy for keeping it so. I find it noteworthy that the most belligerently anti-Chinese members of the current U.S. Senate are also its youngest. They came to adulthood after the end of the post-World War II “Cold War” and have no experience of its anxieties. They appear to take its sudden end as predestined – something that was so inevitably right ideologically that it can and should be taken for granted. Their military experience, if any, has been in the contemporary equivalent of the 19th century’s Indian Wars – combat with gun-toting farmers with no air forces, air defenses, navies, guided missiles, or nuclear weapons with which to answer U.S. hostility…

The Cold War was radically different from this. It was a global struggle between two competing ideological blocs and nuclear-armed power centers capable of destroying not just each other but all life on the planet except maybe the cockroaches. It began as a series of squabbles over the spoils of a worldwide war. Each side strove to consolidate spheres of politico-military and economic influence and deny the other access to them. But each learned to avoid confrontations that might lead to armed combat directly with the other. Each limited itself to proxy wars aimed at sustaining or imposing its ideology somewhere not in the grip of the other. Each sought to minimize and contain interaction with the other. That was not difficult, given the utter lack of interdependence between the two and the blocs of nations they formally and informally commanded.

The struggle we Americans have now initiated with China has none of these characteristics. To analogize it to the Cold War of 1947 – 1991 is intellectually lazy. More important, it is profoundly misleading and delusional. The Sino-American split is not the sequel to a bloody world war. However politically convenient it may be for Americans to cast antagonism to China in all-encompassing Manichean terms, this is a contest born of contending national self-images and ambitions, not ideologies. The struggle with China on which Americans have embarked is a bilateral contest in which others may or may not choose to take sides, not one between two committed blocs of nations. China is both a much less inherently hostile and far more robust rival than the Soviet Union was.

Emulating China’s autocracy by closing America to foreign goods, services, people, and ideas, as the United States is now doing, is self-defeating. Modeling China policy on Ronald Reagan’s treatment of the USSR before he met Mikhail Gorbachev, as Secretary of State Pompeo has done, is the path to receipt of a national “Darwin award.” The U.S. contention with a resurgent China cannot be conducted in the same manner as the Cold War. It will not end, as the Cold War did, with the voluntary resignation of an ideologically disillusioned and exhausted adversary…

China is armed with nuclear weapons, but it has sized and configured its arsenal for a retaliatory response to an attack on it by other nuclear powers, not for a first strike, which it has abjured and is not equipped to conduct. China is a threat to American global primacy, but mostly in economic and technological rather than political or military terms, in which it remains decidedly inferior. China is once again the immovable economic and cultural center of its native region – where the United States has for seventy-five years been the resident overlord – but China seeks no “allies” and has no political satrapies or military dependencies.

He went on to provide a very thorough list of the crucial differences between China and the USSR that we had previously faced, with all boldface provided in the original:

Crucially, China is not the Soviet Union:

  • China has no messianic ideology to export. Its appeal derives from its performance, not its ideas. It is happy to be emulated, but justly charged with callous indifference to how foreign societies govern themselves.
  • China is not engaged in regime change operations to create an ideological sphere of influence. It seeks to prevent the overthrow of its own authoritarian system of governance but does not oppose democracy or promote authoritarianism abroad. Where tested, as in Korea, it often has a better relationship with democracies than with their undemocratic opponents.
  • China’s relationships with foreign nations are transactional rather than sentimental. It has no “satellites,” “allies,” or entente partners to divert its attention from its own defense. Beijing has no ideological soul mates, committed followers, or dedicated sycophants abroad.
  • China’s economy dwarfs that of the USSR. It accounts for 30 percent of global manufacturing and continues to grow. China has an economy that is almost one-third larger than that of the United States in purchasing power terms and that is rapidly approaching parity at nominal exchange rates.
  • China is now the largest consumer market on the planet and the biggest trading partner of three-fourths of the world’s other economies. It is fully integrated into the global capitalist system and cannot be walled off from it.
  • China already possesses one-fourth of the world’s scientific, technological, engineering, and mathematics workforce. It is steadily increasing its ascendancy.
  • China’s “Belt and Road Initiative” is an order-setting geoeconomic strategy with no Soviet parallel that dwarfs the nearest American equivalent – the Marshall Plan.
  • China spends two percent or less of GDP on its military vs. the estimated 9 – 15 percent of the USSR and the current 7.9 percent spent by the United States.[2] Unlike the USSR, if pushed to do so, China has the capacity to more than match any U.S. military spending increases.
  • Despite much wishful thinking on the part of its detractors, premising a policy on China’s collapse from systemic defects, as George Kennan shrewdly did in the case of the USSR in 1947, is – on the evidence – delusional.
  • China has not built a nuclear arsenal to match that of either the United States or Russia. It has instead adopted a “no first use” policy for nuclear weapons backed by a modest force de frappe that can conduct a limited but devastating retaliatory counterstrike to any foreign nuclear attack on it.
  • There are no U.S. arms control agreements, exchanges of information, understandings on mutual restraint, or escalation control mechanisms between the U.S. and Chinese armed forces as there were with the USSR
  • American military intervention in the Russian civil war lasted only two years (1918-1920). Overt U.S. intervention in China’s ongoing civil war, sparked by the Korean War, began in 1950. Seventy years later, U.S. support for the heirs to Chiang Kai-shek’s defeated Chinese regime not only continues but is escalating.
  • The United States backs challenges to China’s sovereignty over Taiwan and islets in its near seas. By contrast, despite rhetorical opposition to its incorporation of the three Baltic states, America never actively contested the USSR’s territorial integrity.
  • The armed forces of the United States aggressively patrol China’s shorelines and test its defenses, as they did those of the Soviet Union. But, so far, unlike the USSR, China has not reciprocated.

Meanwhile, the differences between our own country during that past, ultimately successful global conflict and our current situation were just as significant:

Equally important, the United States of the 2020s is not the America of the early Cold War.

  • As the Cold War began, the United States produced one-half or more of the world’s manufactures. It now makes about one-sixth.
  • For the first time in American history, foreigners do not envy American freedoms. Once almost-universal admiration for the United States has been overwritten by repeated displays of racism, gun violence, political venality, xenophobia, and – most recently – executive incompetence and legislative default in the face of national challenges. No one abroad now seeks to emulate the U.S. political system or believes that the United States illustrates the possibilities of democracy.
  • During the Cold War, the United States was the uncontested leader of a bloc of dependent nations that it called “the free world.” That bloc is now in an advanced state of decay. America’s international followership is greatly diminished and its capacity to organize coalitions that integrate lesser powers in support of common objectives has atrophied.
  • Legacy U.S. alliances formed to contain the USSR have little relevance to American contention with China:
    • US-European alliances like NATO are withering. Though cautious about China, Europeans do not and will not support an effort to “contain” it.
    • No Asian security partner of the United States wants to choose between America and China.[3] U.S. “alliances” in Asia embody U.S. undertakings to protect partners rather than commitments by them to come to America’s aid. Such dependent relationships cannot be repurposed to form a coalition to counter China.
  • The United States is isolated on a widening list of issues of importance to other countries. It has withdrawn or excluded itself from a growing number of multilateral instruments of global and regional governance and is no longer able to lead the international community as it once did.
  • Americans have repeatedly declined to recapitalize or cooperate in reforming international financial institutions to meet new global and regional investment requirements. This has led China, India, and other rising powers to create supplementary lenders like the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the New Development Bank. The United States has chosen to have no voice in these and continues inadvertently to stimulate the creation of still more institutions that can act without reference to American interests or views.
  • Since 1950, the Taiwan issue has been a casus belli between the United States and China. But U.S. allies or security partners see it as a fight among Chinese to be managed rather than joined. If the U.S. mismanages the Taiwan issue, as it now appears to be doing, it will have no overt allies in the resulting war.
  • No claimant against China in the South China Sea is prepared to join the U.S. in naval conflict with China.
  • U.S. foreign policy is now as partisan as domestic policy. It is often driven by special rather than national interests and is unrealistic, strategically incoherent, divisive, and fickle.
  • Partisan oligopolies have swallowed independent media in the United States and reduced the thousands of U.S. correspondents once reporting on international affairs to mere dozens. U.S. corporate media now treat the news as an entertainment-based cost center and consumer product rather than as a necessary public service or civic duty. These developments and the politicization of the U.S. intelligence community diminish and distort American situational awareness, helping spurious narratives to overwrite facts.

Therefore, he concluded:

In short, this time is different. Sino-American relations have a history and dynamic that do not conform to those of the US-Soviet contest. If you have seen one “communist,” you have not seen them all. And the United States is much less well equipped to inspire and lead opposition to China than it was to the USSR.

The US-China contention is far broader than that of the Cold War, in part because China, unlike the determinedly autarkic USSR, is part of the same global society as the United States. The battlefields include global governance, geoeconomics, trade, investment, finance, currency usage, supply chain management, technology standards and systems, and scientific collaboration, in addition to the geopolitical and military domains in which the Cold War played out. Short of nuclear war, the struggle the United States has begun with China may not be existential, as the Cold War was, but it cannot avoid being hugely consequential.

Under different political circumstances, Freeman would have spent the last dozen or more years serving near the very top of America’s national security apparatus, providing these same sorts of candid memos and evaluations to our president and other leading decision-makers, perhaps with enormous consequences for American foreign policy.

The previous year, Freeman had given an even longer 2019 presentation at Stanford University, describing the early stages of President Donald Trump’s broad-brush attacks against China and their roots in domestic American politics:

President Trump’s trade war with China has quickly metastasized into every other domain of Sino-American relations. Washington is now trying to dismantle China’s interdependence with the American economy, curb its role in global governance, counter its foreign investments, cripple its companies, block its technological advance, punish its many deviations from liberal ideology, contest its borders, map its defenses, and sustain the ability to penetrate those defenses at will…

Trump’s presidency has been built on lower middle-class fears of displacement by immigrants and outsourcing of jobs to foreigners. His campaign found a footing in the anger of ordinary Americans – especially religious Americans – at the apparent contempt for them and indifference to their welfare of the country’s managerial and political elites. For many, the trade imbalance with China and Chinese rip-offs of U.S. technology became the explanations of choice for increasingly unfair income distribution, declining equality of opportunity, the deindustrialization of the job market, and the erosion of optimism in the United States.

In their views of China, many Americans now appear subconsciously to have combined images of the insidious Dr. Fu Manchu, Japan’s unnerving 1980s challenge to U.S. industrial and financial primacy, and a sense of existential threat analogous to the Sinophobia that inspired the Anti-Coolie and Chinese Exclusion Acts.

Meanwhile, the ineptitude of the American elite revealed by the 2008 financial crisis, the regular eruptions of racial violence and gun massacres in the United States, the persistence of paralyzing political constipation in Washington, and the arrogant unilateralism of “America First” have greatly diminished the appeal of America to the Chinese elite.

Freeman was quite even-handed and admitted that some economic criticism leveled against China was warranted:

Some of the complaints against China from the squirming mass of Sinophobes who have attached themselves to President Trump are entirely justified. The Chinese have been slow to accept the capitalist idea that knowledge is property that can be owned on an exclusive basis. This is, after all, contrary to a millennial Chinese tradition that regards copying as flattery, not a violation of genius. Chinese businessfolk have engaged in the theft of intellectual property rights not just from each other but from foreigners. Others may have done the same in the past, but they were nowhere near as big as China. China’s mere size makes its offenses intolerable. Neither the market economy in China nor China’s international trade and investment relationships can realize their potential until its disrespect for private property is corrected. The United States and the European Union (EU) are right to insist that the Chinese government fix this problem.

Many Chinese agree. Not a few quietly welcome foreign pressure to strengthen the enforcement of patents and trademarks, of which they are now large creators, in the Chinese domestic market. Even more hope the trade war will force their government to reinvigorate “reform and opening.” Fairer treatment of foreign-invested Chinese companies is not just a reasonable demand but one that serves the interests of the economically dominant but politically disadvantaged private sector in China. Chinese protectionism is an unlatched door against which the United States and others should continue to push.

However, many of our public accusations were entirely baseless, and indeed far more applicable to our own country’s behavior than to that of the Chinese:

There is a lot of this sort of manipulative reasoning at play in the deteriorating U.S. security relationship with the Chinese. Social and niche media, which make everything plausible and leave no truth unrefuted, facilitate this. In the Internet miasma of conspiracy theories, false narratives, fabricated reports, fictive “facts,” and outright lies, baseless hypotheses about China rapidly become firm convictions and long-discredited myths and rumors find easy resurrection.

Consider the speed with which a snappy phrase invented by an Indian polemicist – “debt-trap diplomacy” – has become universally accepted as encapsulating an alleged Chinese policy of international politico-economic predation. Yet the only instance of a so-called a “debt trap” ever cited is the port of Hambantota, commissioned by the since-ousted autocratic president of Sri Lanka to glorify his hometown. His successor correctly judged that the port was a white elephant and decided to offload it on the Chinese company that had built it by demanding that the company exchange the debt to it for equity. To recover any portion of its investment, the Chinese company now has to build some sort of economic hinterland for the port. Hambantota is less an example of a “debt trap” than of a stranded asset.

Then too, China is now routinely accused of iniquities that better describe the present-day United States than the People’s Middle Kingdom. Among the most ironic of such accusations is the charge that it is China, not a sociopathic “America First” assault on the international status quo, that is undermining both U.S. global leadership and the multilateral order remarkably wise American statesmen put in place some seven decades ago. But it is the United States, not China, that is ignoring the U.N. Charter, withdrawing from treaties and agreements, attempting to paralyze the World Trade Organization’s dispute resolution mechanisms, and substituting bilateral protectionist schemes for multilateral facilitation of international trade based on comparative advantage.

The WTO was intended as an antidote to mercantilism, also known as “government-managed trade.” China has come strongly to support globalization and free trade. These are the primary sources of its rise to prosperity. It is hardly surprising that China has become a strong defender of the trade and investment regime Americans designed and put in place.

By contrast, the Trump administration is all about mercantilism – boosting national power by minimizing imports and maximizing exports as part of a government effort to manage trade with unilateral tariffs and quotas, while exempting the United States from the rules it insists that others obey.

Under Trump, America demonstrated to both China and the rest of the world that it was totally unreliable in keeping agreements that it had signed, with these wanton acts likely to have very negative long-term political consequences:

The supply chains now tying the two economies together were forged by market-regulated comparative advantage. The U.S. attempt to impose government-dictated targets for Chinese purchases of agricultural commodities, semiconductors, and the like represents a political preemption of market forces. By simultaneously walking away from the Paris climate accords, TPP, the Iran nuclear deal, and other treaties and agreements, Washington has shown that it can no longer be trusted to respect the sanctity of contracts. The U.S. government has also demonstrated that it can ignore the economic interests of its farmers and manufacturers and impose politically motivated embargoes on them. The basic lesson Chinese have taken from recent U.S. diplomacy is that no one should rely on either America’s word or its industrial and agricultural exports.

For these reasons, the impending trade “deal” between China and the United States – if there is one – will be at most a truce that invites further struggle. It will be a short-term expedient, not a long-term reinvigoration of the Sino-American trade and investment relationship to American advantage. No future Chinese government will allow China to become substantially dependent on imports or supply chains involving a country as fickle and hostile as Trump’s America has proven to be. China will instead develop non-American sources of foodstuffs, natural resources, and manufactures, while pursuing a greater degree of self-reliance. More limited access to the China market for U.S. factories and farmers will depress U.S. growth rates. By trying to reduce U.S. interdependence with China, the Trump administration has inadvertently made the United States the supplier of last resort to what is fast becoming the world’s largest consumer market.

And our extremely aggressive military behavior was likely to eventually produce a reciprocal response:

The U.S. Navy and Air Force patrol China’s coasts and test its defenses on a daily basis. U.S. strategy in the event of war with China – for example, over Taiwan – depends on overcoming those defenses so as to be able to strike deep into the Chinese homeland. The United States has just withdrawn from the treaty on intermediate nuclear forces in part to be able to deploy nuclear weapons to the Chinese periphery. In the short term, there is increasing danger of a war by accident, triggered by a mishap in the South China Sea, the Senkaku Archipelago, or by efforts by Taiwanese politicians to push the envelope of mainland tolerance of their island’s unsettled political status quo. These threats are driving growth in China’s defense budget and its development of capabilities to deny the United States continued military primacy in its adjacent seas.

In the long term, U.S. efforts to dominate China’s periphery invite a Chinese military response on America’s periphery like that formerly mounted by the Soviet Union. Moscow actively patrolled both U.S. coasts, stationed missile-launching submarines just off them, supported anti-American regimes in the Western Hemisphere, and relied on its ability to devastate the American homeland with nuclear weapons to deter war with the United States. On what basis does Washington imagine that Beijing cannot and will not eventually reciprocate the threat the U.S. forces surrounding China appear to pose to it?

  • On Hostile Coexistence with China
    Remarks to the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies China Program, Stanford University
    Chas W. Freeman Jr. • May 3, 2019 • 5,000 Words

I fully concurred with his warnings about the extremely reckless and counter-productive actions that our government was taking against China. But one of the early paragraphs in his long speech might have held certain very important implications, although I doubt that he himself recognized their significance either at the time or even long afterward.

Freeman had served in government for nearly half a century, sometimes at a very high level, so his assessment of the nature and behavior of the Trump Administration should be taken very seriously:

There is no longer an orderly policy process in Washington to coordinate, moderate, or control policy formulation or implementation. Instead, a populist president has effectively declared open season on China. This permits everyone in his administration to go after China as they wish. Every internationally engaged department and agency – the U.S. Special Trade Representative, the Departments of State, Treasury, Justice, Commerce, Defense, and Homeland Security – is doing its own thing about China. The president has unleashed an undisciplined onslaught. Evidently, he calculates that this will increase pressure on China to capitulate to his protectionist and mercantilist demands. That would give him something to boast about as he seeks reelection in 2020.

That characterization of the Trump Administration was made at Stanford University in early May 2019, but unbeknownst to both Freeman and his entire audience, our government at that point was already half-way through a secret, large-scale defensive exercise that lasted from January to August. Crimson Contagion was intended to prepare our federal and state officials for the hypothetical possible appearance of a dangerous respiratory virus in China. Then around late October 2019, just a few weeks after the conclusion of that exercise, exactly such a mysterious virus suddenly appeared in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

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Freeman described a Trump Administration that was completely undisciplined and lacked any proper controls but that had strongly encouraged anti-China actions across all its different departments. These factors may have been very germane to the global Covid outbreak.

Beginning in April 2020, I began publishing a long series of articles that repeatedly emphasized exactly that sort of connection, and I’ve stood almost alone on the Internet in being willing to publicly advocate that controversial hypothesis.

Some of my most dramatic conclusions can be summarized in just a few paragraphs:

For example, in 2017 Trump brought in Robert Kadlec, who since the 1990s had been one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates. The following year in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic hit China’s poultry industry and in 2019, another mysterious viral epidemic devastated China’s pork industry…

From the earliest days of the administration, leading Trump officials had regarded China as America’s most formidable geopolitical adversary, and orchestrated a policy of confrontation. Then from January to August 2019, Kadlec’s department ran the “Crimson Contagion” simulation exercise, involving the hypothetical outbreak of a dangerous respiratory viral disease in China, which eventually spreads into the United States, with the participants focusing on the necessary measures to control it in this country. As one of America’s foremost biowarfare experts, Kadlec had emphasized the unique effectiveness of bioweapons as far back as the late 1990s and we must commend him for his considerable prescience in having organized a major viral epidemic exercise in 2019 that was so remarkably similar to what actually began in the real world just a few months later.

With leading Trump officials greatly enamored of biowarfare, fiercely hostile to China, and running large-scale 2019 simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak in that country, it seems entirely unreasonable to completely disregard the possibility that such extremely reckless plans may have been privately discussed and eventually implemented, though probably without presidential authorization.

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

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According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

The Iranians themselves were well aware of these facts, and their top political and military leaders publicly accused America of an illegal biowarfare attack against their own country and China, with their former president even filing an official protest with the United Nations. But although these explosive charges were widely reported in the Iranian press, they were completely ignored by the American media so that almost no Americans ever became aware of them.

These same ideas were also presented in a series of my podcast interviews, originally released on Rumble, but now available on YouTube as well.

Kevin Barrett, FFWN • February 16, 2022 • 15m • on Rumble

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Geopolitics & Empire • February 1, 2022 • 75m • on Rumble

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Red Ice TV • February 3, 2022 • 130m • on Rumble

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  1. Ron Unz says:

    I probably should have made it clear that I agreed with almost everything Freeman said about the America/China conflict.

    It’s obviously very nice to find that my own views are identical with an expert who is so knowledgeable and distinguished.

  2. In 1986 Freeman was appointed Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs and played a key role in negotiating the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola along with the independence of Namibia.

    Not really a key accomplishment since the Cubans had already defeated our CIA.


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  3. Allow me to summarize the China segment. First, a graphic of reality.

    Second, a short video about China’s “threat” to the USA, which occurred because it is much more economically successful.


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  4. 迪路 says:

    Indeed, Mr Freeman is one of the few foreign diplomats who can appear on Chinese television.
    The views of the old diplomats are more solid and realistic.
    Unfortunately, they are destined to stay away from the core of American decision-making because they refuse to engage in various moral lapses.

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  5. Bankotsu says:

    As a chinese from global south, I feel that I can provide some insight into chinese mentality and psychology of the strategy of China. The first point to note is that China is NOT a martial nation. Chinese people are NOT a warlike people. Chinese culture is NOT a warrior culture.

    This is kind of the main point, if you miss this point, then all of your understanding of China goes kaput. You are not going to get some kind of religious messianic fanatic rebel group coming out from China.

    China strategy to end Western dominance is based on TRADE, FINANCE, BUSINESS, ECONOMIC and technology development. Chinese people feel that business, trade and economics is a field when they can enter and then can WIN. Chinese people are VERY confident in their business prowess. They feel that they can wipe out the competition. This is where they concentrate their firepower on.

    WAR is not a field where chinese feel as confident, so they try to avoid it as much as possible. This is where idiots like Pepe Escobar really doesn’t understand chinese thinking. Since trade, economics and business is the MAIN field where China is playing on, China cannot afford to have poor relations with the West. Tensions with West must be kept at a level where trade, investment, business and technology can flow. It cannot be otherwise. China cannot sacrifice their main strategy (trade, where chinese think they can wipe out the competition) for a secondary strategy (war, where chinese are not confident that they can win).

    I feel that this point of view is more or less accurate of PRC thinking. China plays to its strengths. China’s strength is in business, economics and trade.

    China is the world’s sole manufacturing superpower: A line sketch of the rise

    The US is the world’s sole military superpower. It spends more on its military than the ten next highest spending countries combined. China is now the world’s sole manufacturing superpower.

    Its production exceeds that of the nine next largest manufacturers combined. This column uses the recently released 2023 update of the OECD TiVA database to paint an eight-chart portrait of China’s journey to superpower status and the asymmetric impact that its dominance has had on global supply chains…

    https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/china-worlds-sole-manufacturing-superpower-line-sketch-rise

    China’s strategy in short is by peaceful means and through trade become the world’s largest economy, most advanced technological power and dominance of supply chains. THAT is the China strategy. This strategy plays to the strength of chinese people, plays to the culture of chinese people and fits our current era. Pepe Escobar seems to be in complete ignorance of chinese thinking. That is why reading his articles is very irritating.

  6. In 2022 China had almost twice the US’ Global manufacturing output. It is likely even further ahead 2024.

    And Russia’s war in Ukraine reminds us that you have to have a strong industrial base to fight a high-intensity modern war.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-worlds-manufacturing-superpower

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  7. Yes understood. Thank you for this wonderful article. All your articles Ron have made me a better person. Reading your book on race and other things also now. Forgive me but I must thank you again.

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  8. There is no longer an orderly policy process in Washington to coordinate, moderate, or control policy formulation or implementation.

    I recommend the readers these 3 very insightful articles on how America has no objectives or strategy, how its leadership is retarded and how many observers make the mistake of coming up with post factum theories about how there is a strategy and always has been one. They are not about American strategy on China specifically, but the same observations apply to China strategy (or lack thereof).

    https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/natos-phantom-armies

    https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/a-strange-defeat

    https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/a-wasting-asset

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  9. vox4non says:
    @Ron Unz

    The question then, will he be listened to or will he turn into another voice in the wilderness. Given Trump’s record, I think the latter and we will all be the poorer for it.

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    , @Emslander
  10. “In international affairs, as in physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

    As you sow, so shall you reap;
    Alone in Jewmerica “you” are blowing daily 42 million souls out of their God given bodies; not to mention the rest of the Jewed West.
    Where can it lead to but hell?!
    The Third Jewish World War is up and running and thus far “Chas” has been a Jew lover, which devalues and hurdles everything he says or writes.
    The Trump gvt. was continuity of the Obama gvt with Chas Freeman.
    This time around Trump embodies the most evil Jewmerican gvt. of all times.

  11. Organic says:

    The Western media adds 2+2 and gets 7, always seemed to me very suspicious US labs in China is where covid began, and might also explain the overly paranoid Chinese response. No wonder the Chinese were infuriated when that corrupt imbecile of an Aussie PM blamed them for it. I’d forgotten about it also hitting Iran so quickly. Very enlightening article, one too few will unfortunately read.

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  12. Dr. Acula says:

    I agree with the main points of the article: that the US is at war with China, that COVID was a bioweapon against US geopolitical rivals, and that the internet allows us to partially override previous media blockades. Most positively, I noticed that someone is finally exposing this debt-trap propaganda for the bullshit that it is.

    But I would like to ask Ron Unz one thing: what do you think about China’s demographic situation? Partly due to the one-child policy that has been in place for decades, but also due to contact with the West and the associated influence of liberalism, China is facing a disastrous population development.

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/

    China’s population pyramid is similar to that of the USA (https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2023/), but if you look at the future population to the right of the pyramid, China is currently at its peak and things will go steeply downhill from here. The USA, on the other hand, will enjoy slow but steady growth. This is what many call “the Japanification of China”. This can also be seen in the Chinese bond yields:

    https://tradingeconomics.com/china/government-bond-yield

    This is what the bonds of a country that will hardly grow in the next few years and where too few working people will meet too many retirees look like. I would like to emphasize once again that I am not arguing here, like all the doom prophets, that an implosion of the Chinese (housing) market is imminent. However, I do wonder how a country with such a demographic development is going to match or even surpass the USA over the next few decades.

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    , @littlereddot
  13. Anonymous[974] •�Disclaimer says:

    There is only *ONE* danger facing China in the future and *ONE* danger alone.
    All other loose talk from western governments – and their coopted favored media such as the BBC, The Economist, the NYT etc can be safely disregarded as the stinky pile of trash that it is.

    That *DANGER* is the emergence of a Gorbachev style figure, in other words a demented traitorous wrecker, within the Chinese politburo, if not leadership.

    If you are a Chinese, in particular if you hold any type of official position, and you happen to be reading this, please, I beg you, take these words to heart and remember them. This is the most important thing you will ever read in your life.

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  14. Excellent introduction to my favorite American Arabist. I learned about Freeman through an online friendship with the late US Army Captain Eric May, a controversial figure in the 9/11 truth movement who knew Freeman well. Apparently Freeman was May’s mentor and served as best man at his wedding. May, like the late Scott Bennett, was a military intelligence officer who went off the reservation after figuring out that Israel and its American agents did 9/11. He died of ALS in 2014. As with Bennett, many suspect that his “rare illness” was artificially induced.

    I was copied on quite a few emails between May and Freeman in the mid-2000s. While Freeman was always circumspect, my impression was that he took for granted that May was largely right about 9/11 being an Israeli operation. So the claim in this article that Freeman believes that “Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda militants were entirely responsible for the 9/11 Attacks” is almost certainly false, both because Freeman is a highly intelligent man with extensive knowledge of the Middle East, and because he was exposed to material that would have led him to question and ultimately see through the official cover story.

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    , @Carroll Price
  15. What the US will continue to do is rampage through the international arena like a bull in a China shop: a Jew-controlled “US” foreign policy could only be a bully. What the Israelis are doing in Gaza is what the Jews would like to do to the whole world, using their US golem as a big stick. All we see is a bunch of threats wherever we look, the latest of which is Trump’s threat to place a 100% tariff on Brics, if those countries decide to create their own currency.

    If Trump does implement this, it could backfire, as more countries realize that it would be safer to bypass the dollar, which can and will be weaponized against them. The truth is that the Jew-controlled US has eroded any little trust that might have been left in the international arena. Everyone should prepare for a continued onslaught, as the US dismantles the very order which “remarkably wise American statesmen put in place some seven decades ago”, as Ambassador Chas Freeman wrote.

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  16. shahnameh says:

    Does the diplomat have any insight or source material on the mercurial Tadeusz Brzezinski last Polish amb to Germany and the Soviet Union:)

  17. @Ron Unz

    Do crack open and read a couple pages of your copy of Alfred L. Chan’s Xi Jinping: Political career, Governance and Leadership.

    Recently PBS’s Frontline did an episode on Xi Jinping, it was incredibly biased against China, but it did have Alfred L. Chan on to say some basic facts about Xi Jinping.

    •�Replies: @Ron Unz
  18. Another superannuated Ambassador, Jack Matlock talked about restoring peace with Russia with Glenn Diesen and Alexander Mercouris on The Duran.

    Matlock will soon be leaving this Vale of Tears

    https://theduran.locals.com/post/6442279/restoring-peace-with-russia-ambassador-jack-matlock-alexander-mercouris-glenn-diesen

  19. Jim H says:

    This is a very interesting article by Ron Unz. I appreciate him bringing Chas Freeman’s writings to my attention.

    Like several other essays by Ron Unz, this one seems gradually to roll to a stop, without offering a firm conclusion to tie all its threads together.

    For instance, if one accepts Ron Unz’s assertion that the covid virus was a US biowarfare attack on China and Iran, what are its implications today, five years later? Should we anticipate that China and Iran may seek to retaliate with bioweapons, or by other means? Or, rather, should we expect that America’s unaccountable fourth (intel) branch of government, having learned nothing, will mount yet another reckless biowarfare attack?

    Likewise, Amb. Freeman’s remarks on the mercantilist chaos of the first Trump administration presumably apply just as strongly to the nascent second Trump regime. Almost surely Trump’s motley menagerie of nominated cabinet members and diplomats will justify future essays, which might usefully have been foreshadowed.

  20. Thank you for this assessment/tribute to Amb. Freeman, Ron Unz.
    As you remark, a person of this high standard and long-serving loyalty would be eagerly sought to continue service in any normal-functioning government.
    I really enjoyed reading his analyses.

    And for your re-statement of the role of USA in the covid aptly-named “plandemic”.
    It can only be hoped that some influences can be brought to displace the Crazies, that threaten International Court and the city (Den Haag) that hosts it, for just one outrageous example, as well as continuing to support open genocide and terrorism.

  21. AxeGryndr says:

    I was disheartened and perplexed as I reached the point in the story where he maintains the narratives of such things as 9/11 and the holohoax. Such a learned individual, who concerns himself with worldwide situations, and able to converse in multiple languages must have certainly been tipped off somewhere along the way…..however, I will finish the article, as I too, have an interest in China.

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  22. Anonymous[161] •�Disclaimer says:

    So, the AngloZionist Empire needs to destroy and subjugate China in order to remain hegemon (global control).

    The way to do this is through Sinophobic propaganda, low-grade (for now) economic war, then proxy war (hello ROK and Nipponese), and finally through direct military intervention and occupation.

    As intelligent as the Chinese or Chinese-Americans are, they seem naive and don’t grasp the malevolent aspirations of the West. I think it’s naivety mixed with a tendency toward materialism.

    A not so insignificant part of the brainpower in the U.S. military industrial complex R&D are Chinese (and Korean) graduates of top engineering and science programs.

    Both they and their parents are giddy about them landing a good job making $150k working for Lockheed, Raytheon, or some defense-related start-up.

    All the while neither they are nor their parents are swift to the fact that they are simply developing technology to be used to destroy the people and culture of the land of their ancestors.

    Sad.

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    , @littlereddot
  23. xyzxy says:

    No claimant against China in the South China Sea is prepared to join the U.S. in naval conflict with China.

    Freeman’s point should be common discussion, but it’s not. Who in that area is going to ‘support’ a US war with China? The only real American sponsored toady, the only one willing to do whatever the US has in mind, is the Philippines, but what could they ever bring to the table? Bongbong is used by the US like an annoying little dog that barks and snaps, however is easily kicked into submission.

    Australia is too far away to be meaningful, in any strategic sense. The Dutch have sent warships along China’s coast as part of NATO’s ‘commitment’ to open seas, but no one expects Holland to walk the walk, in any war. South Korea can’t even figure out who is in charge of their country.

    Japan? Although now US occupied, that’s even a stretch. From a Chinese perspective, Japan understands they are China’s existential enemy. Not the US. Not Europe. Although Western powers occupied China, it is viewed more as an historical economic exploitation, not an attempt to displace and dispossess China’s political sovereignty, or in an outright effort to kill Chinese. In fact, America has standing among Chinese, due to figures such as Claire Chennault.

    Politically, China demonstrates considerable willingness to negotiate past claims. Consider Russia and Vietnam– both now with acceptable China relations, in spite of previous border clashes. India, too.

    China is not about ‘exporting’ Communism. The idea that China is even ‘communist’ is almost meaningless. No one can (or takes time to) explain what they mean when making that claim. Also, no one can clearly explain how China threatens America’s sovereignty, politically, socially, or militarily. Yet that is the casual US politician’s mindset, taken to absurdity–where an errant weather balloon, or container ship offloading cranes, are accused of spying. Huawei or ZTE routers can’t be sold because of ‘national security’ concerns, yet does anyone think the government [and Israel] aren’t routinely reviewing Cisco traffic?

    Trump’s world-wide tariffs will be interesting, if they ever take effect. Because not much in the consumer land is still made in the US, expect prices to rise. The idea that manufacturing is going to ‘come back’ to the US because of selective (or universal) tariffs? Good luck with that. Although there’s a big governmental push for vehicle electrification, the only electric cars that average Americans are probably able to afford outright come from China, and can’t be sold here. You always hear Americans complain about ‘Chinese junk from Walmart’, but are Americans able and willing to pay three times as much for an equivalent product made in the US? Or is it simply just talk?.

    The entire thing is incoherent. It’s like that famous meme of the Chinese engineer trying to buy a truckload of gravel from Africans, in order to rebuild a road the natives have refused to maintain. It’s all so tiresome…

  24. @Anonymous

    I would estimate the probability of such a person taking power in China in the next 15 years at <1%.

    Gorbachev style reformer can only emerge when a country is in a deep crisis economically, politically and ideologically. It's much more likely you'll see someone like that emerge in the West than in China. China is on the rise, why would an anti-regime reformer emerge there now? That's just not a realistic scenario.

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    , @Anonymous
  25. Ron Unz says:
    @迪路

    Indeed, Mr Freeman is one of the few foreign diplomats who can appear on Chinese television.
    The views of the old diplomats are more solid and realistic.
    Unfortunately, they are destined to stay away from the core of American decision-making because they refuse to engage in various moral lapses.

    That’s interesting to know. Jeffrey Sachs is another one, and I just watched his segment on CGTN yesterday, in which he strongly rebutted the “China collapse” nonsense endlessly promoted by our dishonest MSM:

    Video Link

    One thing that the Chinese people should keep in mind is that although the crazy people running America have certainly caused a great deal of trouble to China, they’ve inflicted vastly more damage upon our own country, so we should be far angrier at them than anyone else.

    A perfect example of this is the global Covid outbreak. As I’ve indicated, I think there’s a great deal of persuasive evidence it was the botched blowback from a failed biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), and it certainly inflicted a great deal of harm upon both those countries, probably ultimately killing well over a million Chinese. But in per capita terms, something like 3x to 4x as many Americans died, giving us about the highest death rate in the developed world, plus we had a year or two of extremely unpleasant national lockdowns. So if the ignorant and gullible American public ever figured out what had really happened, I think they’d be exceptionally angry.

  26. @Fin of a cobra

    See this long tweet for another illustration of “mad dog” strategy advocated by Jew Karp from Palantir.

    In practice, it’s an “aging, mad, sick and delusional dog” strategy.

  27. Ron Unz says:
    @Bankotsu

    Its production exceeds that of the nine next largest manufacturers combined. This column uses the recently released 2023 update of the OECD TiVA database to paint an eight-chart portrait of China’s journey to superpower status and the asymmetric impact that its dominance has had on global supply chains…

    Sure, that’s absolutely correct. As I’ve mentioned in my own articles, China’s real productive economy (PPP GDP excluding easily-manipulable services) is actually now larger than the combined total of the US, the rest of the Anglosphere, the European Union, and Japan, and also growing far more rapidly:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-racial-roots-of-chinas-rise/

    Plus despite gigantic American military spending, Russia is now probably the world’s strongest military power and certainly the greatest storehouse of natural resources, so its close alliance with China means that the two of them together greatly outweigh the entire West, though Western leaders are too stupid to realize this.

    •�Agree: AxeGryndr, annacat
  28. Ron Unz says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Excellent introduction to my favorite American Arabist. I learned about Freeman through an online friendship with the late US Army Captain Eric May, a controversial figure in the 9/11 truth movement who knew Freeman well. Apparently Freeman was May’s mentor and served as best man at his wedding. May, like the late Scott Bennett, was a military intelligence officer who went off the reservation after figuring out that Israel and its American agents did 9/11. He died of ALS in 2014. As with Bennett, many suspect that his “rare illness” was artificially induced.

    I was copied on quite a few emails between May and Freeman in the mid-2000s. While Freeman was always circumspect, my impression was that he took for granted that May was largely right about 9/11 being an Israeli operation. So the claim in this article that Freeman believes that “Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda militants were entirely responsible for the 9/11 Attacks” is almost certainly false, both because Freeman is a highly intelligent man with extensive knowledge of the Middle East, and because he was exposed to material that would have led him to question and ultimately see through the official cover story.

    Thanks. That’s very interesting about May, who’d been unknown to me, and was so close to Freeman. It sounds like the latter may have actually had some conspiratorial 9/11 suspicions that he kept to himself. I’ve Googled his own website with his speeches and other material and nothing comes up, but it’s easy to understand why he kept silent himself.

  29. Ron Unz says:
    @anyone with a brain

    Do crack open and read a couple pages of your copy of Alfred L. Chan’s Xi Jinping: Political career, Governance and Leadership.

    Recently PBS’s Frontline did an episode on Xi Jinping, it was incredibly biased against China, but it did have Alfred L. Chan on to say some basic facts about Xi Jinping.

    Actually, I read that whole long book several months ago. Although it provided an enormous amount of detail about Xi’s life and early career as well as the Chinese governmental system and capsule descriptions of numerous other top-ranking leaders, it really didn’t shift my views in any significant way, and I found most of it extremely dull.

    Since you apparently consider it as so enlightening, could you summarize what I seem to have missed?

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  30. AxeGryndr says:
    @Bankotsu

    A comment I made just yesterday, before this article hit.
    “The longer China can maintain status quo, the sooner they become the premier power in the world in virtually any area they choose.”

    The strength of manufacturing base, coupled with nuclear deterrent and rising military capability is the key to their coming dominance on the world stage. US efforts to disrupt China only amount to a speed bump, with diminishing returns to the US as we sink ourselves in drowning debt.

    We could be that manufacturing power once again, if our so called leadership would stay out of foreign affairs and become a good neighbor in the the world. As anyone can see, that won’t be happening until we finally suffer the defeat which is surely coming.

    •�Replies: @BlackFlag
  31. @Peripatetic commenter

    What does the US actually manufacture–aside from a few automobiles and diminishing number of commercial aircraft? Just curious.

  32. Bama says:

    The relatively sparse information we are given by our controlled media is a testament to China’s power and our self deceit. If we keep poking the panda, we will know its power soon enough.

  33. @Matt Lazarus

    Paul Craig Roberts argues that the US has a Third World economy.

    Friday’s jobs report, the financial press tells us, “blew past projections,” with a monthly jobs gain of 303,000 compared to the 231,000 average over the past year. The Biden economy is gathering steam.
    […]
    A first world economy is characterized by high productivity, high value-added manufacturing and industrial jobs. A third world economy is characterized by low productivity service and government jobs. As I have reported for 30 years, the US has transitioned from the first to the third world.
    […]
    190,000 of the jobs are in services, and 71,000 are in government. In other words, 86% of the jobs gain reflect the third world pattern. The service jobs are in wholesale and retail trade, health care and social assistance, and waitresses and bartenders.

    The high tech jobs we were promised in exchange for offshoring US manufacturing industry are hardly visible and certainly did not provide opportunities for displaced manufacturing workers.
    […]
    The tell-tale sign of a third world economy is the concentration of wealth in the hands of a tiny minority. In the United States this is called “democracy.” And an increase in third world jobs is misrepresented as economic progress.

    https://www.unz.com/proberts/america-has-a-third-world-economy/

    •�Replies: @Brad Anbro
  34. @Matt Lazarus

    They also manufacture very specialized equipment and ARMAMENTS. Their major exports are scrap metal, etc. and garbage.

    For that we can thank the “wreckers” in the financial industry, along with the politicians in BOTH political parties.

    Thank you.

  35. 迪路 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I understand.But on the whole, our attitude toward the current leadership in the United States is not all angry, but amused.
    Given that only part of our business is likely to be affected by these people, we are basically watching what is happening in the United States for fun.
    Even some people like the chairman of huawei want to thank the Americans for their stupid policies, which have completely promoted their industry.
    The more people like me who like to discuss politics know about the United States, the more we will feel that the various problems of the United States are incurable, and that no American can solve its internal problems.
    Musk’s new policy is not a game changer. The most he can do is to prolong the life of the United States, not to change its impending destruction.You see, what’s happening in the United States right now is basically what happened when dynasties in our history were about to fall.
    We might wonder why the United States still exists under such circumstances.

    •�Replies: @anonymous
  36. Ron Unz says:

    Here’s a very interesting interview with Freeman on the Syria situation:


    Video Link

    •�Thanks: annacat
  37. ariadna says:

    Interestingly, analyzing the tragic chaos that has been visited upon Syria, Bernard at MoA finally concludes the sure eventual winner will be… China!

    Syria – Winners And Losers Or Both

    [MORE]

    Syria has fallen. It is now highly likely that the country will fall apart. Outside and inside actors will try to capture and/or control as many parts of the cadaver as each of them can.

    Years of chaos and strife will follow from that.

    Israel is grabbing another large amount of Syrian land. It has taken control of the Syrian city of Quneitra, along with the towns of Al-Qahtaniyah and Al-Hamidiyah in the Quneitra region. It has also advanced into the Syrian Mount Hermon and is now positioned just 30 kilometers from (and above) the Syrian capital.

    It is also further demilitarizing Syria by bombing every Syria military storage site in its reach. Air defense positions and heave equipment are its primary targets. For years to come Syria, or whatever may evolve from it, will be completely defenseless against outside attacks.

    Israel is for now the big winner in Syria. But, with restless Jihadists now right on its border, it remains to be seen for how long that will hold.

    The U.S. is bombing the central desert of Syria. It claims to strike ISIS but the real target is any local (Arab) resistance which could prevent a connection between the U.S. controlled east of Syria with the Israel controlled south-west. There may well be plans to further build this connection into an Eretz Israel, a Zionist controlled state “from the river to the sea”.

    Turkey has had and has a big role in the attack on Syria. It is financing and controlling the ‘Syrian National Army’ (previously the Free Syrian Army), which it is mainly using to fight Kurdish separatists in Syria.

    There are some 3 to 5 million Syrian refugees in Turkey which the wannabe-Sultan Erdogan wants, for domestic political reasons, to return to Syria. The evolving chaos will not permit that.

    Turkey had nurtured and pushed the al-Qaeda derived Hayat Tahrir al-Sham to take Aleppo. It did not expect it to go any further. The fall of Syria is now becoming a problem for Turkey as the U.S. is taking control of it. Washington will try to use HTS for its own interests which are not necessary compatible with whatever Turkey may want to do.

    A primary target for Turkey are the Kurdish insurgents within Turkey and their support from the Kurds in Syria. Organized as the Syrian Democratic Forces the Kurds sponsored and controlled by the United States. The SDF are already fighting Erdogan’s SNA and any further Turkish intrusion into Syria will be confronted by them.

    The SDF, supported by the U.S. occupation of east-Syria, is in control of the major oil, gas and wheat fields in the east of the country. Anyone who wants to rule in Damascus will need access to those resources to be able to finance the state.

    Despite having a $10 million award on its head HTS leader Abu Mohammad al-Golani is currently played up by western media as the unifying and tolerant new leader of Syria. But his HTS is itself a coalition of hardline Jihadists from various countries. There is little left to loot in Syria and as soon as those resources run out the fighting within HTS will begin. Will al-Golani be able to control the sectarian urges of the comrades when these start to plunder the Shia and Christian shrines of Damascus?

    During the last years Russia was less invested in the Assad government than it seemed. It knew that Assad had become a mostly useless partner. The Russia Mediterranean base in Khmeimim in Latakia province is its springboard into Africa. There will be U.S. pressure on any new leadership in Syria to kick the Russians out. However any new leadership in Syria, if it is smart, will want to keep the Russians in. It is never bad to have an alternative choice should one eventually need one. Russia may well stay in Latakia for years to come.

    With the fall of Syria Iran has lost the major link in its axis of resistance against Israel. Its forward defenses, provided by Hizbullah in Lebanon, are now in ruins.

    As the former General Wesley Clark reported about a talk he once had in the Pentagon:

    “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
    Six of the seven countries mentioned in that famous memo have by now been thrown into chaos. Iran is -so far- the sole survivor of those plans. It will urgently have to further raise its local defenses. It is high time now for it to finally acquire real nuclear weapons.

    The incoming Trump administration sees China as its major enemy. By throwing Syria (and Ukraine) into chaos the outgoing Biden administration has guaranteed that Trump will have to stay involved in the Middle East (and eastern Europe). The massive U.S. ‘Pivot to Asia’ will again have to wait. This gives China more time to build its sphere of influence. It may well be the only power that has won in this.”

    •�Replies: @Bankotsu
    , @showmethereal
  38. Agent76 says:

    September 11, 2024 China-Africa Summit Enhances Relations to the Level of “Strategic Partnership”   

    53 states on the continent were represented at the FOCAC gathering in Beijing. This year’s Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC) Summit was held in Beijing where decisions were made to strengthen already existing ties into a strategic partnership between the two geopolitical entities. 

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-africa-summit-strategic-partnership/5867553       

  39. AxeGryndr says:

    Although the concept of Isramerica is accepted fact for those willing to see it, Chas Freeman will only refer to the abstract:

    “U.S. foreign policy is now as partisan as domestic policy. It is often driven by special rather than national interests”

    He knows. But that doesn’t help the uninitiated.

    However, in the crux of the article, he provides fascinating insight to the cold war contrast between the USSR and China, and why our prior strategy will not prevail here. We are destined to lose, imho.

    His analysis of the Trump administration past and future is outstanding. Our increasing weakness in manufacturing, education, mismanagement of economy, debt, and budget are not China’s fault. Trump’s coming administration looks more like an exercise in madness every day, with the red hat brigade mindlessly cheering him on.

    Ron’s concluding discussion of our involvement in a bio-war attack is well researched and plausible. If indeed the spread to the US (and elsewhere) was an unintended consequence, it constitutes a huge blunder by the so called intelligence agencies. Because they unlikely to stop dabbling in lethalities, we may not be so “lucky” next time.

    •�Replies: @JPS
  40. Z-man says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Thanks for the graph and the audio. Brevity is golden ✨️

  41. Anonymous[216] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous534

    Prior to 1985 the very notion that a monster like Gorbachev would ever lead the USSR would have been considered fantastical.

  42. Anonymous[216] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Matt Lazarus

    Human blood is a very big US export. Really.
    I’m sure there’s a moral there somewhere.

    Oh, and there’s also hardcore pornography – the export revenues must be enormous, and (dead) human tissue (alloderm).

    Human flesh is big business in the USA.

    Some unkind people might say they expect little else from a nation built on slavery.

    •�Replies: @Bill Jones
  43. xyzxy says:
    @Matt Lazarus

    What does the US actually manufacture–aside from a few automobiles…

    One must clearly distinguish between what is manufactured in America, sourced from US made parts, and what is assembled in America, from parts manufactured elsewhere. Once the latter is taken into account, the answer to your question is, ‘not much’.

    To give a price comparison, we consider electric guitars. Gibson’s China made Epiphone division offers an import Les Paul Standard Goldtop model for $700.00 MSRP. The more or less equivalent US model’s MSRP is $2799.00. Obviously there are parts and other cosmetic differences, and MSRP is certainly not always indicative of street selling price.

    Fender’s Mexican made Stratocaster is going to run you around $800.00 (depending on model, of course). A mostly American made equivalent will be about $1500.00 or so, maybe a little less. Again, when actually buying, YMMV. But we need a baseline to compare, and that is MSRP.

    Trump’s tariff proposal is speculative, and different numbers have been bandied. In addition to current Chinese tariffs, Trump has mentioned an additional 10%; 25% for Mexico. If passed on to the consumer, the Chinese guitar would now be 770 dollars, with the Mexican instrument pushing a thousand dollars.

    Whether importers pass along the tariff is open speculation. They may attempt to eat it, especially if there is already enough margin built in to the existing spread. If not, can most consumers seeking this class of product be able to easily absorb the resultant price increase?

    An ancillary question is whether tariffs can ‘bring back’ manufacturing jobs? That is one thing Trump talks about. Using the guitar example, could Gibson or Fender (or PRS, or whomever) ramp up American production at a level that matches Chinese and/or Mexican price points, by hiring more employees? Given costs of doing business in the US as opposed to foreign countries, it is an important question that has to be considered.

  44. antibeast says:
    @Ron Unz

    Another American that has spoken of and is well-received in China is Professor John Mearsheimer who claims to understand the Chinese mind better than other Westerners. He would greatly add his words of wisdom to UNZ if invited to contribute to this great forum of yours.

    •�Replies: @anon
    , @Bankotsu
  45. Charles says:

    A reasonable person understands that China’s prominence and inevitable dominance is a fact, not an opinion. As for the US…
    After the campus protests were quashed there were the “hearings” in Congress, which were simply theater for the sake of the Jews’ American cattle. I do not know the names of the principals, but an old, White (and Southern, if I remember correctly) Congressman brow-beat a girl who served some function at a “university” and who ostensibly could have halted the protest at said “university”. I cannot quote him (or her) from memory, but his entire point was that the ferocious Jew-god, Yahweh, was going to really, REALLY get mad at us for contradicting the desires of his pet predators who are our acknowledged (often proudly by “Evangelicals”) masters. The girl meekly submitted that no, she did not want ol’ Yahweh to blast us with holy fire or drown us in holy floods.

    I realize that names and dates would be very helpful, but the above-described exchange did happen essentially as described – in the US. In the US Congress. In the 21st Century. That is who we are. That is not who the Chinese are.

  46. @Matt Lazarus

    What does the US actually manufacture–aside

    I would be tempted to say “bullshit” but that would be trite.

    I suspect they include in those numbers all the manufacturing engaged in by US-based companies that is actually manufactured outside the US.

    Perhaps they also include the inflated cost of the products of the Military Industrial Complex.

  47. @Anonymous

    a nation built on slavery.

    Thanks for the laugh, I do like satire.

    The US was built despite slavery.

    •�Replies: @Felpudinho
  48. Anon[394] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Odd how the Chinese, a seemingly uncreative people, are able to develop so much technology. Thousands of chinese embedded everywhere in the west pass information to the homeland. Of course this is tolerated because then the US has to continue to develop more and more advanced weapons to keep up lol

    •�Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    , @JPS
  49. @xyzxy

    An ancillary question is whether tariffs can ‘bring back’ manufacturing jobs? That is one thing Trump talks about. Using the guitar example, could Gibson or Fender (or PRS, or whomever) ramp up American production at a level that matches Chinese and/or Mexican price points, by hiring more employees? Given costs of doing business in the US as opposed to foreign countries, it is an important question that has to be considered.

    Or, could they engage in much more automation.

    However, that also brings up other important questions.

    •�Replies: @showmethereal
  50. DARPA did Convid, started in 2012 at least, Metabiota in Ukraine heavily involved, when will WRonG admit the double Scoobyb doo is still in play now.

    The investigating group says it was wet market, zoonic spillover bs, like Dr Facki says it was still in his latest collection of lies, but it is actually a design by DARPA using Modena and Pfizer as fronts.

    Same as follow the money on 911, these pharma scumbags were greedy and tried to steal the patent rights $ from the Convid vaxx, and DARPA Pentagon DoD etc were greedier still, and they exposed themselves by fighting over the profits.

    By suing the pharma companies darpa exposed themselves in court legal disclosures.

    Write about that situation yet WRonG??

    The Committee announced it spilled over in Whuhan Lab, that still does not explain origins.

    We need to charge the Pharma industry with crimes against humanity, then focus on citizenship of these pharma decision makers and make their culpability public.

    Charge them, subpoena their communications, and lets get some facts and proof of complicity in crimes against humanity.

    Then OTHER them all , get those vaxxed dummies to make up for wanting the unvaxxed dead, by getting them to publicly call out the culprits.

    ZionDon will avoid searching for the truth, his masters will stop him from doing so.

    It’s up to us.

    WRonG call out DARPA once and for all!!!🇨🇦☘️

  51. JPS says:

    The Western World CANNOT hold its own with Jews in charge. If the last sixty years can teach us anything, it’s that. Their criminal parasitism depends on damaging the host and rendering it weak and relatively helpless to maintain its social and genetic integrity. Just as Jews assisted the Soviet Union to acquire nuclear weapons (in the unexpurgated Forrestal Diaries, it was literally suggested that the bomb should be given Russia in cabinet meetings), the Jews have built up China to be a rival threatens the future of Western Civilization.

  52. JPS says:
    @AxeGryndr

    Ron’s concluding discussion of our involvement in a bio-war attack is well researched and plausible. If indeed the spread to the US (and elsewhere) was an unintended consequence, it constitutes a huge blunder by the so called intelligence agencies. Because they unlikely to stop dabbling in lethalities, we may not be so “lucky” next time.

    It couldn’t have been an unintended consequence, since it was clearly planned to be a “global” pandemic. Look up Event 201 and SPARS.

    Now what is possible, is that a very deadly variant was released in Wuhan and maybe in Iran, and less deadly variants released in other countries. The early propaganda about COVID was hysterical fear-mongering about alleged horrors in Wuhan, that didn’t convince a majority until the government got all the rich people to line up and agree to the lockdowns. (rich people have a tendency to line up with just what the Jews want, this accounts for much of the insanity of our domestic policy).

  53. Multiple groups attacking each other all with multiple motives and multiple backing powers.

    Blinken and his successor can be trusted to boil the situation down to one right move with 100% confidence. As they are trained and rewarded to do.

    The Chas Freeman video is great as far as the content goes but he is not going to be the first 80 year old breakthrough video star. Text is the format for that fellow.

  54. @Bankotsu

    The first point to note is that China is NOT a martial nation. Chinese people are NOT a warlike people. Chinese culture is NOT a warrior culture.

    Surely, history has demonstrated that not being sufficiently martial is China’s failure many times in the past. For example the Yuan Dynasty, the Qing Dynasty and the events around the Opium Wars and foreign depredations against China, albeit under a foreign dynasty (Qing).

    An economically ascendant economy needs sufficient martial strength to deter to parasites and bottom feeders.

    •�Replies: @showmethereal
  55. @Anon

    Ahhhh. You mean the Chinese copy everything the west does and manages to get them into use/service before even the West does.

    That’s interesting.

    •�Replies: @PercyQuattro
  56. JPS says:
    @Anon

    The Jews brought hordes of Chinese spies into the United States into the universities, industry and government, for the same reason the Bolsheviks used Chinese mercenaries to terrorize the Russian population.

    The Jews’ domination of America depends (or at least they must believe it depends) on continually weakening and degrading the strength and well-being of the native population.

    Why Gen-X is “shut out” relative to the Boomers and Millennials.

    Boomers bought into the propaganda of the 1960s whole-heartedly, and they can only ever partially be brought to sense. Only now that they’re old, a few might have glimmers of the disaster they’ve participated in.

    Millennials have been brought up in multi-cultural internet culture. Gen-X remembers the old America, and knows how things have declined.

    •�Agree: Robert Bruce
    •�Thanks: Charles Pewitt
  57. @Carlton Meyer

    If you remove military/space manufacturing propped up by Government contracts, that U.S. manufacturing number dips below 10%.

    The 16% number is also deceptive because as Baby boomers retire, the crisis of competency among the small to mid-size manufacturing sector will mean the closure of thousands of hyper niche manufacturing outlets whose 70-80 year old owners want to retire and quite literally cannot find suitable owners to replace them.

    The real figure for robust manufacturing that will survive the next bubble/crash is easily half of that figure.

    •�Agree: Gallatin
    •�Replies: @Gallatin
  58. Anonymous[270] •�Disclaimer says:

    Freeman’s nostalgic for the good old days before he was shit through a goose, but that’s a bit different than Unz’ opinion. Unz’s opinion seems to be that there’s this new crowd of batshit ideologues, neocons. Adjusting for Freeman’s insider bias*, his arguments offer better support for the idea that the batshit ideologue behavior has never varied. The policy was always pushing everybody around. What’s different now is simply that the US can’t push everybody around.

    It’s the same batshit ideologues, CIA DO. A bit more Jew-supremacist diversity, maybe, but behaviorally determined not by ideology but by impunity and concomitant criminality. What changed is the world’s response, like in Grand Theft Auto when you shoot too many cops and the helicopters and armored cars come after you.

    Sure, germ warfare mad scientist Kadlec wound up in Trump’s administration, along with 6 million other CIA moles they stuffed up his ass when he was a rookie puppet ruler. Kadlec is continuity, not change – he was always there, circulating through different bullshit CIA sinecures.

    * For example, Freeman seems to like the WTO. Political opportunists want to dump the WTO. But so does everybody. The WTO is a US trick to end-run UNCTAD, the chartered authority. Freeman misses the orderly policy process. But the process is even more orderly than it used to be, because CIA’s stranglehold on it has tightened. As a dip, Freeman will naturally have difficulty acknowledging CIA’s control of State. If you’re an Izzie, verminous genocide kike Blinken comes to you as a Jew; but if you’re M/DGHR, Blinken comes to you as a CIA spy’s stepson, greased into Dalton & Ivies with Uncle Dad’s holocaust sob stories and ready for sneaky ratfuck action!

  59. Anonymous[383] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous534

    I think I read somewhere that every aspiring applicant in the Chinese administrative hierarchy is obliged to take a quite involved and long course/learning module on the topic of the Collapse of the USSR and Gorbachev’s decisive role in it, as a necessary condition for advancement in their chosen career.

    If this indeed is true, then the wisdom of the Chinese is proverbial.

  60. Anonymous[383] •�Disclaimer says:

    As a very excellent commenter in another place in the Unz Revue had it, the very very best strategy for China, going forwards, is to change absolutely nothing, make no policy detours and just keep the status quo as regarding both domestic and international policy – diplomatic, financial, economic, industrial and otherwise rolling along. China has worked very hard and tirelessly in the past to get to this enviable and now unassailable sweet spot, and countless millions of Chinese worked very very hard in the past – for minimal reward – so that their posterity could be the beneficiaries of their labor and sacrifice. And so shall it be.
    This is the way of the Tao, ancient Chinese wisdom and harmony, going with the grain of things in an almost psychically intuitive way. The balance of nature and the elements. The unfolding of time and space in the ineffable way.

    As a counterpoint, and as the second part of this sacred formula, while the Chinese are doing everything right – and in accordance with natural law – the current damned fools who run the west, as typified by their in-house journal, the galactically stupid – and evil – Economist magazine are doing everything exactly wrong and fully and obviously perverse. So in the true way of the Tao, all the Chinese need to do is sit back and keep things ticking over. The USA and the west will, inevitably, fuck themselves up well and truly and irrevocably, and within a short time period. A generation or two at most.
    The massive uncontrolled Third World immigration into the west, The Economist’s most favoured and fiercely defended and implemented policy will, for sure, accomplish this.

    •�Agree: JR Foley
    •�Replies: @Odd Rabbit
    , @Fin of a cobra
  61. Solutions says:

    Putting our highly informed and agonizingly fleshed out foreign policies to the side for just a moment.
    Is it not good to know that the USA has consistently been so kind as to leave their back door wide open for all the world’s oppressed to simply waltz on in. Come on in folks, escape your technological and ideological prisons, you’ll be safe with us.
    Unless of course you are of European stock, then you will require critical skills and must pay thousands in fees, and that is if we allow you in at all.
    The brilliance goes right over one’s head.

    •�Thanks: JPS
    •�Replies: @JPS
  62. The cold war against China is winning, nobody mentions anything about China in the current crisis in the middle-east, they’re a nonentity, missing in action.

    Its situations like Syria where you make your reputation. Most aren’t aware that China even has a presence outside Asia.

    China must rethink its wolf warrior strategy its not working. People say China works in decades and centuries while the west works only a few months to a year ahead.

    Well if the long term view is what China is playing then the U.S and the West can look forward to decades or at least another century of primacy, the Chinese can then have whats left.

  63. Of course Ambassador Freeman did recently address a June 15, 2024 conference of the Schiller Institute

    https://larouchepub.com/other/2024/5128-ambassador_chas_freeman_someon.html

    Schiller Institute Conference
    Ambassador Chas Freeman: ‘Someone Must Speak Out for Peace’
    Chas W. Freeman, Jr., senior diplomat (ret.) of the U.S. Foreign Service, and U.S.-China scholar, gave the following presentation June 15, 2024, by pre-recorded video, to the Schiller Institute–sponsored international online conference, “The World on the Brink: For a New Peace of Westphalia!” Ambassador Freeman spoke on the first panel, titled, “Europe after the European Elections.” The conference in its entirety can be viewed here. The following transcript was prepared by EIR. Subheads have been added.

    •�Thanks: emil nikola richard
  64. justMe says:

    Thank you Ron for all the work you put into these articles. The mp4s are very appreciated .

    “There is no one as bloodthirsty as a civilian remote from the battle lines.”
    Ambassador C.W. Freeman Jr

  65. Voltarde says:

    https://semianalysis.com/2024/12/09/intel-on-the-brink-of-death/#

    Intel on the Brink of Death: Culture Rot, Product Focus Flawed, Foundry Must Survive

    Our so-called “elites” are nation-destroying fools.

    Intel’s semiconductor foundry engineering expertise was crippled by: the short-term greed of Intel’s board; UniParty seppuku sanctions against China, the largest market for semiconductors in the world; and the opportunity cost of utter idiocy such as UniParty warmongers blowing $200+ billion on Kiev Regime psychopaths. Better to outright give Intel $200 billion (and ban its use for share buybacks) to advance semiconductor foundry engineering expertise and re-establish Intel as the peerless semiconductor manufacturing technology leader that it could be.

    Like it or hate it, at least China has a national industrial strategy. Instead, the U.S. pisses away trillions of dollars, over and over again, on MIC grifter psychopaths and forever wars that now threaten the entire world with nuclear annihilation.

    •�Agree: Brad Anbro
  66. Cyrus Janssen produces excellent videos about modern China. In this one, he explains a topic that Trump wants to tackle. We have free trade with Mexico and began imposing stiff tariffs on China. So China is moving much manufacturing to Mexico. This is where all the excellent yet ultra cheap Hisense TVs are made


    Video Link

    •�Thanks: showmethereal
    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  67. Pythas says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Just like America in WWII. Back then America was the worlds leading industrial and technological powerhouse but those days are long over. Nothing lasts forever is an old and true saying.

  68. @Anonymous

    “So in the true way of the Tao, all the Chinese need to do is sit back and keep things ticking over. ”
    Thanks.
    My own views are very much identical with yours.

  69. HuMungus says:

    How about an article on China’s HOT war on the US and the rest of the world?

    70-80,000 American’s killed a year from Chink Commie Bastard supplied fentanyl? or the million or so Americans killed by the Wuhan Flu, a Chink Commie Bastard designed bio-weapon?

    or the Chink Commie Bastards using their consulates to pay for the services of paid actors who beat up Americans active in anti-China demonstrations?

    •�LOL: littlereddot
    •�Replies: @Brad Anbro
    , @JR Foley
  70. JPS says:
    @Solutions

    I’m not sure Jews can help it. They will always perceive men of the European races as a threat at a visceral level, so even if they are not consciously on board with the sick and insane scheme to continually diminish and breed out the white race until they are at the level of the Magyarabs of Sudan, they will always see themselves as patrons to the little Hindus and Chinamen, with the latinate Amerindians as servants, and the negroes as entertainers, drug dealers and pimps.

    Jews must believe they’ll never be subject to the Chinese, otherwise, they would NOT encourage the increase of Chinese power.

    •�Agree: Solutions
  71. So we have the scorecard in, so far, in the war between the Hegemon and the Contenders.

    Contenders have advantage in Ukraine/Europe, but it isn’t over until its over.

    The middle-east is definitely a win for the Hegemon.

    Now we turn to Asia, this is where it will all be decided, there has being a major build up by the Hegemon of late around the Pacific rim, will this be enough to stay the hand of the Contender?

    Will the Contender react or will he slowly be strangled?

    We wait and see?

    •�Replies: @Anonymous534
  72. Dr. Rock says:

    Another great piece!

    China is a tricky subject. In part, because it’s not their fault that so many US corporations decided to outsource what were, US jobs, to their much cheaper labor market. Also, everyone needs to remember that the main reason why the inflation of the past 20+ years, was concealed, is because of all that cheap Chinese shit you can buy at WalMart, Target, etc. That same outsourcing that screwed a lot of US workers, simultaneously benefitted US consumers.

    Overall, what is China really guilty of? Stealing a bunch of IP, sure, manipulating their currency so their exports stay super cheap, probably (but I’ve never seen that concept totally explained, it’s always just stated as a given truism) … but aside from those two things?

    Their biggest “sin” according to DC, is not wanting to be the United States’ bitch, like almost everyone else is forced to be. Do I envy their nation, and it’s government? No, but I also don’t care; That’s a Chinese problem for Chinese people. (whom they lifted out of poverty by becoming a manufacturing behemoth)

    As far as the stupid Taiwan thing… I couldn’t care less, and the US doesn’t have much room to talk, considering all the shit that we have done around the world. And I’m not just talking about the wars either, but Alaska, Hawaii, the US Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico. Also, we’ve had an issue with Cuba, mainly because they screwed over a bunch of US businesses (and the mob) when they went commie and nationalized all those investments, so we’ve been crushing them for several decades… but we think we have some moral high ground about China and Taiwan?

    All the problems in the US, are because of the US, it’s government, it’s commie infiltration, it’s socialist nonsense, it’s corrupt politicians, agency capture, the bloated MIC budgets, and waste… again, we did this to ourselves, so it’s pretty naive to blame China for any of our problems.

    I suspect that we could get along just fine with China, and maybe start by not letting the kids come here for college, and get jobs, that enable them to steal IP.
    .
    Moreover, and I think I speak for a lot of people on this- Americans are sick and tired of wars, conflicts, endless strife, and all the bullshit that comes with it. Jesus, can’t we take about a decade or two, just to unfuck this country, and make it prosperous again, rather than start another “cold war” with a nation that we currently depend so heavily upon?

    Seriously, our “enemies list” is so long that I can barely keep track of them all. This is all, getting very old…

    •�Agree: anonymouseperson
    •�Thanks: Jim H
  73. @Anonymous534

    Paul Craig Roberts is completely CORRECT. PCR was quoting Barron’s magazine. Barrons is not going to publish anything that is derogatory to the financial interests of the USA and the politicians of BOTH political parties, both groups of whom I refer to as The Wreckers.

    From PCR’s column:

    “The tell-tale sign of a third world economy is the concentration of wealth in the hands of a tiny minority. In the United States this is called “democracy.””

    People in this country “say” that we live in a democracy. That is untrue. The country was founded as a constitutional REPUBLIC.

    The USA has devolved into a plutocracy / oligarchy – take your pick of labels.

    Thank you.

    •�Thanks: Charles Pewitt
  74. @Mr-Chow-Mein

    I saw multiple videos of US officials saying that each time they wargamed a war with China over Taiwan, the US lost every time.

    The Jews are strangling the US to death much faster than the US can strangle China. There is nothing the US can do to win.

  75. @Ron Unz

    “China’s real productive economy (PPP GDP excluding easily-manipulable services) is actually now larger than the combined total of the US, the rest of the Anglosphere, the European Union, and Japan, and also growing far more rapidly”

    Question: Is there a specific reason as to why Mr Freeman downplays the historical significance of protectionism as a key factor in increasing economic productivity, especially for China? After all, China was not always so gung ho on free trade, specifically when it might come at the expense of not protecting their domestic economy. The idea that China wholeheartedly opened all their domestic markets to Western trade is utter and complete rubbish. Certainly China has opened more of its markets to Western trade, but compared to the US, it still has a long ways to go.

    Mr Freeman appears to be a most brilliant man in the areas of foreign relations, as well as geopolitics at large. However, that doesn’t mean he is a well trained economist regarding economic growth and thus he appears to parrot the midcentury US talking points that the State Dept would’ve held as gospel (e.g. Free Trade largely or prominently fuels economic growth; protection of national industries has little if any direct affect on a nation’s economic output, and of course it’s primarily due to economic trade agreements that are a nation’s main gateway to prosperity for those at home, etc).

    As a balanced, perhaps even nuanced at times salve to the role of protectionism’s role in fueling economic growth (Something tha both China and Japan have employed for their domestic economies for several decades), one could suggest Patrick Buchanan’s The Great Betrayal: How American Sovereignty and Social Justice Are Being Sacrificed to the Gods of the Global Economy. And also, the 2010 tome Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism, by Ha-Joon Chan.

    The main point being of course, is that US offshoring of manufacturing beginning in the mid to late 90’s to China helped the Chinese economy grow to the astronomic limits it has reached today. This is not of course, the ONLY thing that helped the Chinese economy grow, but it IS a significant factor. After all, if the US had invested more in its own domestic manufacturing instead of permitting its US businesses to offshore production abroad (including China), perhaps the US economy wouldn’t now be facing the long term dire prospects it does in the 2020’s.

    After all, Freeman’s specific expertise is in foreign policy, and not the basics how trade impacts a nation’s economic growth.

    But, aside from Mr Freman’s wanderings into domestic/free market economics, something he is no more qualified than say, Pat Buchanan (because that is not an area that lies within his expertise), his picture of the US’s future from a military/geopolitical perspective is very much welcome, eye opening, and should be carefully considered by those in the current State Department.

  76. @HuMungus

    Quote:

    “70-80,000 American’s killed a year from Chink Commie Bastard supplied fentanyl?”

    If you actually believe this, you are woefully misinformed. How about placing the REAL BLAME where it belongs – with Purdue Pharma, run by the Jewish Sackler family? Don’t take my word for it –

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdue_Pharma

    and

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-global-resolution-criminal-and-civil-investigations-opioid

    Educate yourself!

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    , @mulga mumblebrain
  77. Swamp City DC person, by way of Rhode Island, named Chas Freeman, says he don’t like Trump’s tariffs and this Chas Freeman person seems to be an over-educated oaf who is overly sensitive on racial matters and is nastily smarmy to lower middle class Americans of European Christian ancestry.

    William Odom was born in Tennessee and he was highly supportive of US military officers getting well-rounded educations to better understand the world and I say I would’ve listened to the late William Odom a lot more than I would listen to this Chas Freeman goon.

    What part — or parts — of England were the ancestors of Odom and Freeman from? Chas Freeman says he is related to the crooked crook Braintree Adams crowd of snotty lawyers and banker whores.

    Didn’t one of Chas Freeman’s ancestors — an Adams turd — phuck over Andrew Jackson in the disputed election of 1824 and didn’t the NATIONAL POPULIST Scotch-Irish Andrew Jackson counter-phuck the snot-nosed punk John Q. Adams in the 1828 presidential election?

    Tennessee William Odom gets a Yes and Chas Freeman can piss off.

    TARIFFS ARE BEAUTIFUL…TARIFFS ARE STRONG…TARIFFS ARE PATRIOTIC

    I THINK I SHALL NEVER SEE SOMETHING AS LOVELY AS A TARIFF

    [MORE]

    Biden and his goons have seemingly maintained the strategic distancing China policy started by Trump and his bunch. Biden or any random lout Democrat Party scumbag would never admit to it, but it’s true.

    The bought and paid for bozos in the Biden administration and certain portions of the American Empire’s DEEP STATE rolled back the ‘Belly Up And Grab The Chinese Bribes And Chinese Cheap Labor Strategy’ of the George HW Bush and Bill Clinton and George W Bush and Barack Obama administrations.

    Since Republican Party Ohio Boy Nixon treasonously sold out the USA to China in 1972 — all four of Nixon’s grandparents had slithered into Ohio from whereabouts unknown — the American Empire’s ruling class has used the cheap labor of China as a weapon to destroy American manufacturing and to make and collect bribes from the Chinese Communist Party. David Allan Coe is a self-proclaimed “Ohio Boy” but Mr Coe never sold out to the Chinese like Tricky Dick Nixon the ruling class puppet rat did.

    Obama’s so-called “Asia pivot” was just smoke and mirrors crap to try to cloud over the fact that the Democrat Party is just as much in bed with the Chinese Communist Party as the treasonous rats in the Republican Party.

    The Chinese Communist Party has installed Republican Party Treasonite Mitch McConnell as their puppet whore in Swamp City DC, and I assume that Mitch McConnell is working behind the scenes to make sure that the Chinese Communist Party’s interests and shady deals are protected.

    Mitch McConnell is married to a Chinese woman with extremely shady connections to the Chinese Communist Party.

    Mitch McConnell supports the use of Chinese cheap labor to destroy American manufacturing and to destroy the defense industrial base of the USA.

    Trump should’ve completely and totally put the Chinese Communist Party’s tits in a wringer and he should’ve kept tightening that bastard. Trump should’ve ramped up the use of tariffs to put the phucking screws to those Chinese scoundrels and their bullshit One Belt — One Road — Many Deadbeat Nations scam.

    Donald John Trump Touts His Tariffs — Wall Street Journal (August 30, 2023):

    Donald Trump: “My Tariff Policies Were a Success”

    “The best way to stop this hemorrhaging of America’s lifeblood is a simple but powerful tariff on most foreign products, like the kind that was the primary source of government revenue through most of American history, and which built this country into the manufacturing powerhouse of the world,” Trump said.

    “Even after being proven spectacularly and totally wrong in all their past predictions regarding my historically successful trade policies, the die-hard globalists at the editorial board still have not learned their lesson,” Trump said in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal.

    Tweet from 2023:

    Tweet from 2024:

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  78. Gallatin says:
    @ginger bread man

    OSHA and the EPA have to learn to be reasonable if they want to help us manufacture more things here. They have to especially be more reasonable with timelines. If a company has effective existing equipment, then that equipment should be used until it wears out and then replaced with weaker, slower, less reliable, and less quality replacements.

    In our company, we have about 20 large machines that cost millions of dollars each to break down our raw material to ready it for downstream refining processes that eventually become our product. We would need about 31 to 33 of the new 🌈-unicorn-fairy new machines to do the same job, company wide. This will mean 30 new employees. It makes the product more expensive to get to you, the consumer. Needless to say, we need to be able to use our existing equipment (which should last us 20-30 more years) and gradually replace them with the new smurf-machines to remain competitive. China doest use smurf machines at all, yet we only make China pay relatively small tariffs to import their product here.

    Where do you think a manufacturer would rather make stuff, a country that supports him making stuff, or a country that gives him 10 wet-nurses complaining about how he makes stuff every step of the production process (all 12 of them), constantly nagging him about all the extra equipment he needs to make the processes one million percent safer so that a pony could do it and not scratch one hoof and so much as not one pony fart blights our atmosphere with a single extra molecule of methane? China wins every time, despite us having many energetic workers here who are able and willing to work for reasonable wages.

  79. @Anonymous

    all the Chinese need to do is sit back and keep things ticking over. The USA and the west will, inevitably, fuck themselves up… The massive uncontrolled Third World immigration into the west … will, for sure, accomplish this.

    All this is true, but counterintuitive as it may seem, many Chinese will not want a complete demise of the West, since they have an admiration for the white race and actually don’t want to see it die off. The Chinese are actually confused and flabbergasted with what is happening in white countries: why, they ask themselves, are the whites committing race suicide? Or, as you say, why is the West fucking itself up?

    To try to get a grip on this weird suicidal phenomenon, the Chinese had to invent a new concept: “baizuo“, which literally means “white left”, mixing race and politics in one word. It’s probably just their way of saying “woke”, and this helped them for a while, but then things got so out of hand that they had to invent a new concept: “Shengmu biao”, which means “holy mother bitch”. This was their way of identifying one of the main culprits in shoving the West into a death spiral: women, that is, white women.

    I’ll put a few quotes below the more tab from a book I’ve been reading on the subject which goes deep into the question of race in China, and how the Chinese view other races. After reading this book, I got to thinking: what will happen once the Chinese realize that it’s not the white race itself that decided to commit suicide on a whim, but rather the Jews who have been surreptitiously convincing whites that they should wipe themselves out?

    The Jews are a hostile elite who will stop at nothing until they rid the earth of the white race. This is why I think whites must team up with the Chinese — who admire whites — in order to stop the relentless Jews in their bloody tracks, before they blow the whole planet to kingdom come. An alliance between whites and Chinese might be the only way to save the earth and humanity from the Jews, the eternal enemy of the human race.

    ChatGPT summary: Yinghong Cheng’s Discourses of Race and Rising China examines the Chinese term baizuo (“white left”) as a critique of Western liberalism, situating it within a global racial discourse shaped by Chinese nationalism. Baizuo is perceived as a racial and ideological Other, betraying the superior Western civilization through excessive tolerance and self-destructive policies, such as accommodating non-contributing members and refugees. Chinese critics view baizuo as symptomatic of Western decline, reflecting anxieties over the degeneration of a once-admired civilization. The critique, rooted in late Qing racial hierarchies, laments the moral and political weakness threatening both Western and Chinese civilizations. Gendered insults like Shengmu biao (“holy mother bitch”) underscore the misogynistic vitriol toward female adherents of baizuo ideologies, seen as naive or complicit in civilization’s decline. This rhetoric highlights a shared “racial affinity” between whites and Han Chinese, positioning anti-baizuo forces as defenders of “fine races” against a perceived global ideological epidemic.

    [MORE]
    Excerpts from
    DISCOURSES OF RACE AND RISING CHINA, by YINGHONG CHENG
    Mapping Global Racisms

    The chapter ends with a discussion of “baizuo” (白左, the white left), a Chinese response to the most recent social trends in the West involving the political fight between liberals on the left and conservatives on the right. The chapter argues that the Chinese discussion reveals a dilemma in contemporary Chinese nationalism: politically it is anti-Western but racially it is dismayed by the decline of the superior Western civilization caused by its internal divisions and weaknesses. The concept of baizuo is a Chinese contribution to the global racial discourse and it can be regarded as the most recent development of the discourse of race under new international circumstances. …

    baizuo” (White Left): A Chinese Contribution to the Global Racist Discourse

    The term baizuo is significant in having a complex of three implications: it perceives a yellow Han/white European/American racial affinity in the global racial hierarchy; it identifies a racial Other within by defining it as the traitor of the race, similar to Hanjian; and the white left is part of a global ideological epidemic with a destructive impact on developed civilizations including China. Chinese nationalists must choose the side of the global anti-baizuo forces and take action against its Chinese variant to defend China’s high civilizations. …

    The danger of baizuo is that these people indulge themselves in a world of ideas and have no sense of the real problems of the real world. Their tolerance, generosity, and indulgence of all the negative trends and non-contributing members of Western society have led to the under- mining of their own civilization from inside rather than destroying other civilizations from the outside.

    As political confrontations between socially and culturally conservative and liberal sections of society have become more intense in Western countries since 2015, the animosity to the baizuo in China has become more inflamed and the term’s connotation can no longer satisfy its opponents. A new and obscene term Shengmu biao (圣母婊 holy mother bitch) has therefore become popular. The term was originally just Shengmu (圣母 holy mother), sarcastically referring to female members of the baizuo. At times it was also Shengmu ai (圣母癌 holy mother cancer), to indicate its harmfulness to Western society.

    The users of these terms believe that women are more uncompromising and thoroughgoing in holding their white left ideology. Therefore, as political tensions rose higher in the West, the term for female baizuo in China was accordingly changed from gender specific and socially slandered to sexually insulting. Now, anti-baizuo people distain these women as either super critical (an often-heard criticism of them in China is that if they are truly sympathetic towards refugees, then why don’t they use their own homes as shelters instead of demanding more public funds?), or super naïve and stupid in that they even allow themselves to be victims of those rapist refugees. The repeated, sensationalized scenes and alleged cases of northern European female baizuo being raped by black and Islamic refugees have been spread gloatingly on social media but mixed with laments for the self-destruction of a superior civilization by its own political weakness and moral extravagance. …

    the anti-baizuo rhetoric inherits and continues the racial discourse constructed in the late Qing dynasty. In that discourse, as previously analyzed, the yellow race and white race were at the top of the global racial hierarchy. The white race was leading and the yellow race was being left behind but had the potential to catch up. The worst case scenario of the competition between these two superior races would be a race war, but on the other hand, the Chinese discourse sincerely admired the white race as a stronger version of itself in the mirror. …

    Numerous incidents and discussions have revealed a racial preference of whites to non-whites in Chinese society. The anti-baizuo discourse, however, culminates this “of the same kind” racial mindset by openly expressing apocalyptic anxiety about Western civilization being destroyed by the degeneration and bastardization of its population. The discourse identifies the same epidemic that endangers the superior Western and Chinese civilizations from within: the lack of strong political will and ethical indifference to uphold social Darwinist doctrines. Now is the time for anti-baizuo people in China and the West to unite as the defenders of fine races and superior civilizations.

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  80. @Charles Pewitt

    Let´s forget for the moment tariffs are the not-so-tacit admission you cannot
    compete; the last time the US did it on a large scale it was to build up their
    own industry (the only case tariffs are justifiable ever) at the expense of
    the agricultural sector, directly resulting in the War of Northern Aggression.
    Now it is more akin to Little Britain after WWII: Taking pressure off the
    uncompetitive sectors keeps zombie operations alive (and bankrupts you further)
    but above all stifles innovation – or do you seriously believe the donors will
    all of a sudden start productive investment that can become worthless overnight?
    They will cash out which only speeds up the rot – look over the Pond.

  81. niceland says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    As far as I understand, much of the current industry around the world now relies on China’s enormous industrial machine to provide everything from raw materials, refined materials, all sorts of chemicals, big and small components and parts. What China has been focusing on is supply chains, supply chains and supply chains for everything they (and the rest of the world) makes. From digging a hole in the ground to extract materials – all the way up to finished products and everything in between.

    It’s worth it to keep in mind current and future industrial products are way more complex – and require much more complex supply chains than was the case back in the day when nations built their industries up behind trade barriers.

    The U.S. industry relies on those Chinese supply chains because the U.S. has ignored it’s own for decades. It was much cheaper to let the Chinese deal with all that expensive, dirty, and boring stuff.

    So, it’s a very difficult position for the U.S. to try to built back up it’s industry while it has to rely on China to supply all kinds of materials and components and at the same the wage a protectionist trade war against them. Rebuilding these supply chains inside the U.S. or elsewhere is no small task. And given the difference in wages, costs and regulations between the U.S. and China this would make as much economic sense -in the current reality- as it would be for me to keep sheep in my garden shed and start knitting my own socks from the wool they provide, instead of just buying a pair for few dollars at the store.

    This is just part of it, when the U.S. starts throwing tariffs at Chinese products they will reciprocate and react – like Intel has already discovered. China was big market for much of it’s products and now it’s dried up because of U.S. sanctions. Not only is the U.S big market for China but so is China for the U.S. Some experts are saying the China Trade war has already hurt the U.S. much more than China and this policy has basically backfired .

    The U.S. can probably do this if there is strong political will to bite the bullet and be prepared for decades of hard work and struggle with considerable hardship. I don’t think the U.S. elites are interested. Among other things this would likely escalate the decline of the empire and upend all kinds of political realities around the globe.

  82. 迪路 says:
    @Brad Anbro

    This HuMungus is an anti-Chinese robot that can switch to manual mode.
    There’s no point talking to him.
    In general, I recommend that you send out a test text and ask HuMungus to copy it in his next post to confirm if it’s a robot.
    The text is as follows:
    “I hereby swear that I am a patriotic American who opposes the LGBTQ agenda advanced by Jewish corporations and the slaughter in the Gaza Strip.
    I hope the U.S. government will use the money donated to the Jews to improve the basic infrastructure of the U.S.

    This kind of detection method is very useful, we here in China to detect cyber spies is basically asking the other side to read again that Taiwan is an inalienable territory of our country.

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    , @Badger Down
  83. In listening to many of Freeman’s long interviews and reading the texts of his public speeches, I never came across the slightest example of any non-mainstream or conspiratorial beliefs, and all of his ideas seemed firmly situated within our official narratives. Thus, Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda militants were entirely responsible for the 9/11 Attacks and the Jewish Holocaust of World War II was one of history’s most horrific atrocities. From his personal perspective, racism, antisemitism, and Islamophobia were some of the world’s worst moral evils, and one of our greatest international challenges was coping with the terrible threat of Climate Change.

    Given Freeman’s extreme courage on other matters, I’m sure he was entirely sincere and candid in expressing those positions, which have probably been almost universal among all of his professional colleagues and members of his personal circle. As someone born in 1943, his entire life has been lived within our conventional narrative framework, and he had already reached his 60s before the Internet became a significant source of alternate information, so he certainly cannot be faulted for never questioning any of this.

    Given the information available online regarding the ‘Holocaust’ hoax and Israel’s role in 9/11, I submit he can be faulted for buying into the conventional narratives. Or he can be faulted for pretending to buy into them, perhaps because he doesn’t want his friends and colleagues thinking he’s a conspiracy theorist or (gasp!) a Denier.

  84. The lesson of the Syria debacle and all the genocidal blood-lust unleashed since October 7, 2023, is that the long awaited ‘Clash of Civilizations’ war against the entire non-Western world, has truly begun.
    There was a brief ‘Phony War’ hiatus after the fascist putsch in Kiev in 2014, but, unless the PRC draws some lines in the sand, somewhere, they will eventually, and soon, be on the chopping block themselves. The West has always been Evil, driven by Judaic xenophobia and supremacism, but now it has gone stark, raving, mad as it smells its own fall from power, the equivalent, for the psychopaths who run the West, of death. In the USA and stooge regimes like Austfailia, the race and ideological hatred of China is fulminating out of control and ALL reason. The ‘lizard brains’ are in charge.

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  85. Joe Wong says:
    @vox4non

    Chas Freeman will most likely end up like R. Nicholas Burns, a white supremacist die-hard American first imperialist ideologue, spending his time sightseeing China on high-speed trains. Otherwise, he will be made the Secretary of State instead of Marco Rubio.

  86. @PercyQuattro

    Sigh. Some people need to take their sarcasm meters in for repairs.

    I thought the second half gave it away.

  87. @niceland

    The U.S. can probably do this if there is strong political will to bite the bullet and be prepared for decades of hard work and struggle with considerable hardship.

    Wait. That’s what China did.

    Oh no. Now we will have to copy them.

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  88. Joe Wong says:

    The fundamental flaw of Chas Freeman is that he may know a lot of historical events about China through his cradle-to-grave and excessive flag-saluting brainwashed white supremacist die-hard American first imperialist ideological lens. Still, he is little aware of what the American is. Therefore his judgments of China affected by those flaws will be biased, short-sighted, and nonconstructive if not destructive.

    Chas Freeman should know that the American is a racist, zero-sum, beggar-thy-neighbor, the dog in the manger, innately barbaric, and morally defunct religious cult tribe.

    •�Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  89. anon[294] •�Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Professor John Mearsheimer thinks the US should threaten China with nuclear W over Taiwan in one of the Youtube interviews. I forgot who the Youtuber was. Maybe Lex Fridman?) However, he is very popular and well received in China. He was in China a couple months ago and treated like a rock star.

  90. @xyzxy

    I play guitar and have around twenty guitars. Three are American made, a couple are Japanese, one Mexican, and most of the rest are Chinese made. Oh, and a couple made from scratch by me. I’m pretty into guitars. My belief is that any rise in the price of “affordable”, as opposed to investment, guitars will depress buying and that is all it will do.

    Ostensibly, tariffs are supposed to shift buying to native producers. That’s not what tariffs really do. They act like real estate taxes and depress what would otherwise be purchases and improvements by freedom loving, responsible people. When it’s stuff you need to live, then tariffs are vicious attacks on the poor and middle classes.

    It’s pretty obvious, even to an octogenarian reality TV Israel firster, that the correct moment to employ a tariff to help your own country is NOT after all the production has been sent off shore. So I don’t think Wailing Wall Donnie really likes us as much as he pretends to.

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  91. @Ron Unz

    Odd, isn’t it. The US wants so much to rule the world that they think China wants to rule the world (it doesn’t) and Russia wants to rule the world (it doesn’t). Hint for the US: the ball is israel.

    •�Agree: littlereddot
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  92. Bankotsu says:
    @antibeast

    Professor John Mearsheimer who claims to understand the Chinese mind better than other Westerners.

    Chinese civilisation is too different from Western civilisation for any white guy from West to understand. Mearsheimer’s thinking on China seems quite insane to a chinese person.

    I read some of the articles on this site on China and bizarrely enough, it is the so called racist and white supremacist Andrew Anglin that has some understanding of chinese mentality. Anglin claims to have observed chinese people closely during his Asian travels and thus have some sort of understanding of chinese people. Not all of his views on China are correct but he is more accurate than any other white guy writing on China.

    I must say that Anglin’s understanding of chinese mentality is far more accurate and superior to anyone writing about China in western media. It’s crazy. He grasps the fact that chinese are not a warlike people and is only interested in making money and doing business. This so called racist and anti semite Andrew Anglin has a far better grasp of chinese mentality far superior to any liberal writing on China in the West. That guy knows chinese thinking. Mearsheimer doesn’t.

    Mearsheimer presents China as the same as a Western country that will wage aggressive war to maintain hegemony. Anglin presents China as a non warlike country completely different from the West and is mostly interested in trade and business.

    If Andrew Anglin does a debate with Mearsheimer on the topic of China, chinese people will hand Anglin the win.

    Crazy isn’t it?

  93. @Anonymous534

    Many American economists persuaded us years ago that supply and demand should be
    left alone to perform their magic, and they have except the MIC, finance, the media,
    health care and politics, where everything is rigged.

    The financial tentacles of U.S. style capitalism are squeezing the life out of a consumer
    economy with too many broke consumers. The American wealth inequalities are among
    the greatest in history, and an absence of spending can’t be replaced by increased
    borrowing, celebrity gossip, sports nonsense and Tik Tok.

    Innovation is keeping the economy alive by attracting investors, but investment frenzies
    inevitably collapse, and the Bitcoin, Et al belief systems look like our next disaster.
    All confidence games end with no confidence, and the touted elliptic curve
    will straight-line into the tank.

    Meanwhile, the Chinese economy will continue to produce products that people need.

    •�Replies: @Brad Anbro
  94. @niceland

    Apparently America Doesn’t Import Too Much From China
    America’s imports from China are supposed to have accounted for 3.1 percent of China’s GDP in 2022.
    https://itif.org/publications/2023/10/02/america-doesnt-import-too-much-from-china-us-exports-are-too-low/

    China used to export half of its production. Now it is down to 37 %. But it does not seem to mean much, because of the overall increase in production and local consumption?
    https://tradingeconomics.com/china/trade-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html

  95. @Bankotsu

    Your third paragraph (filtered):

    “Chinese people… …can enter and then can WIN. Chinese people are VERY confident… …prowess. They feel that they can wipe out the competition. This is where they concentrate their firepower on.”

    Does that sound peaceful?

    Have you ever sat in a sauna with the Chinese national soccer team? One of the disgusting experiences in my life was to sweat amongst such aggressive pigs! I left straight away.
    Those are internationally dreaded leg destroyers. They have literally destroyed player existences with vicious, violent kicks and have even killed players as a result. Non-players but destroyers of the joy of movement and play. Nobody wants to play with them, because they do not play. They mean business – mean business it is (with them and with Jewmerica).

    Bruce Lee and all the other violent Chinese productions come to mind; maybe they are done by „your“ Jews.

    China has won Russia’s international military competition year after year…

    Such a huge population contains everything; the materialist you see foremost, martial people and mind you, mind me, humble and spiritual people amongst the average survivor; praying for the family – „my family“, my needs for my creeds and the rest can go to hell?

    For China to be China Peace, it needs to follow through with your president’s most important statement I know of: Housing is for living instead of speculation.
    The follow on is One Man One House Only. Meanwhile China is stocking up with apartment buildings, and not to mention those 15 Minute Cities.

    We poor little chinamen are just little hard workers, day & night, selling our humble produce very cheap to you, our friendlies; (and the day before I drowned my baby girl because she will be a material disadvantage for The Family).

    A famous Brit biznit can once said: With Chinese and with Jews one can not make a profit. Working with you greeds is a onesided, unbalanced affair at the end of the day. „You“ striving to literally deal with everyone means everyone else will be left out of balance (except for the Jew); i.e. unbalanced balance sheets when the Chinaman has been in town he turns it into Chinatown.

    China’s success is a failure and offers no real solution to this Jewish world, no disillusion and no dissolution of the Jewish World. Rather the opposite in pampering the Jew and his lies (e.g. building holohoax temples for the bastards or saying we support Damascus while watching its downfall without moving a finger).
    After all, in this Jewish World there seems only space for the Jew-jew. Add the Chop-chop and you have the Two Jews… fighting;
    Jew Trump fighting Xi Chop Jing: fighting on the back of everyone else, but never directly (even so the Jews too are one of the largest populations in this world).

    The Jew & The Chinamen – double trouble, resp. double strains on life in town.

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  96. Bankotsu says:
    @ariadna

    Interestingly, analyzing the tragic chaos that has been visited upon Syria, Bernard at MoA finally concludes the sure eventual winner will be… China!

    Pepe Escobar is now criticising China for not economically propping up Syria and letting it fall to Syrian rebels. Israel is now destroying Syrian military assets with total impunity and Al Queda is running amok in Syria. Uyghur terrorists are having a free hand in Syria. Syria is a sad story but I think that Assad alawite rule has reached its historical dead end and the country needs to return to majority rule by sunni Arabs. Alawite rule served its purpose in bringing political stability to Syria for over 50 years. Just like the Qing manchu minority rule served its purpose in ruling over 300 million han chinese and expanding China’s borders to the West, the time came to return to Han majority rule for new reforms and a new rise of China.

    Pepe Escobar’s thinking is too narrow, too small, too petty. The battle to destroy U.S. global hegemony and bring in multipolar world cannot be won by propping up small, weak and poor states. That is losing battle.

    It can only be won by China becoming most powerful economic, trading, industrial, technological and commercial power in the world. And China’s eye is FIRMLY fixed on that goal without allowing any sort of distraction with the sole exception of Taiwan issue.

  97. JR Foley says:
    @HuMungus

    Check out Shiro Isshi –he set up Harbin 731–the First Biological Weapons lab in China and following WWII the Russians wanted Shiro for War Crimes–short trial – sentencing and execution.

    BUT —USA got in the Way !!

    Shior was taken to the USA, paid for his past achievements, and set up shop in Maryland—the start of Fort Detrick.

    Oddly, Fort Detrick was closed before the outbreak of COVID-19, and likewise, Baric of Chapel Hill has 44 distinguished years working with COVID- and all variants, and Chapel Hill was the “mother lode” for the numerous biological labs the USA has around the world.

    To make- distribute – finance any lethal drugs in China is again —short trial – execution.

    NOW –why would any “intelligent” operators make fentanyl in China face Death Sentence ( Re; Robert Lloyd Schellenberg–Canadian ex-pat making drugs in Dalian for Australian consumption but caught trying to escape in Guangzhou? Why –now sits on Death Row.

    Again–you are not conversant with anything more than the 24/7 drivel pumped by Mainline News in USA–

    •�Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  98. @Brad Anbro

    Such deaths are ‘deaths of despair’, such self-elimination being inevitable in countries inhabited by the like of the fungus troll. If you had neighbours like fungus, well death loses its sting.

    •�Replies: @Brad Anbro
    , @HuMungus
  99. @Peripatetic commenter

    Too late-the Chinese are far ahead and have a political system greatly superior to that of the West. The West’s last chance is its great strength-racist aggression, violence and genocide.

  100. Anonymous[360] •�Disclaimer says:
    @niceland

    And, of course, the majority of new entrants to the US labor force – which will have to be enormously expanded in order to cope with such a scenario – are now ‘minorities’ which are characterized by low IQ, low educational ability and a general lack of productivity.

    Hence the extreme difficulty being faced by microchip fabrication plants forcibly relocated in the USA, due to government policy, in finding suitable employees for their enterprises.

    Strangely enough, a Japanese premier of the 1980s, Nakashima, identified this future handicap of the USA right back in the day.

    •�Replies: @werpor
  101. @Fin of a cobra

    ‘Yinghong Cheng’-the compradore role obvious right away, in the inverted name. Why would Chinese admire the West, aside from a few sociopaths and opportunists? Just more pernicious agit-prop to prepare the Yankee hive-mind for war with a formidable foe.

    •�Troll: werpor
  102. @Ron Unz

    Oh well fair enough.

    Well the book shows the structure of Chinese government. Which happens to be very large and unwieldy. The Chinese state is like nine aircraft carriers chained together, and it is the job of the communist party to keep them from crashing into each other and to keep them going the same direction without a chain breaking. The parts of the book about Xi Jinping, did it not surprise you how much training state officials have to go through, it is a long apprenticeship in learning how to govern, government officials in training are assigned to poor provinces and assessed on how they do. Imagine if to be a senator or president you had to first be governor of West Virginia. These people really have to work hard for their positions in government.

    Did it also not surprise you that the central government is actually not that powerful. The central government decides policies but it is up to the provincial government to implement it if they wish and to the degree that they wish. Quite a few sections were about how the central government at times struggles to get policy implemented and heavily weigh the reactions and conditions of provincial and local governments. I was surprised to see that the provincial and local governments had such a strong independence and maybe even the upper hand than the central government. Americans think of China as being a strong central state, but if America had system closer to China, states could just ignore implementing laws as they wish. Governing China is very very hard much more difficult than governing the US or other countries.

    the book is not supposed to be a big shocker, but it is the only text written in English that presents a view of the Chinese state as it is, with real events, people and organisations. I wouldn’t be surprised if 98% or more of the proper nouns in the book, were never before written or translated into English (aside from whatever materials intelligence agencies have in their archives)

    •�Replies: @Joe Wong
  103. @AxeGryndr

    The world would be such a boring place if everybody agreed 100% with everybody else.

  104. @Anonymous

    As intelligent as the Chinese or Chinese-Americans are, they seem naive and don’t grasp the malevolent aspirations of the West

    How odd that such a naive people have seen many young upstart empires come and go. Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Arabs, Ottomans, Spanish, Dutch, British and now Americans.

    Don’t worry about the Chinese. They can take care of themselves.

    Your belittling concern would be better placed removing yourself from the Zionist yoke.

  105. @Carlton Meyer

    I see it as a multilayered move.

    On the surface, China gets to continue to export to USA sans tariffs

    If however the US places tariffs on Mexico, it will cause the invalidation of NAFTA, pissing off Mexico and Canada, thus increasing its isolation.

    In the wider context, the rest of the countries of the Americas will see that the US
    1. has been outplayed by China
    2. breaks its treaties at the drop of a hat

    This will encourage them to cast off US domination.

    •�Replies: @BlackFlag
  106. @threadhopper

    Given the information available online regarding the ‘Holocaust’ hoax and Israel’s role in 9/11, I submit he can be faulted for buying into the conventional narratives. Or he can be faulted for pretending to buy into them, perhaps because he doesn’t want his friends and colleagues thinking he’s a conspiracy theorist or (gasp!) a Denier.

    I agree. Why is there a tendency to lower the bar so far for people of such “importance”? This same approach to defending Wailing Wall Donnie is seen with the people he chose to surrounded himself with in his first Presiduncy, and regarding his giant role in the Plandemic and the “Warp-speed”ed clot shots.

    “Oy vey! They tricked him and he was inexperienced being Presidunce!”

  107. @justMe

    “There is no one as bloodthirsty as a civilian remote from the battle lines.”
    Ambassador C.W. Freeman Jr

    That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve seen somebody believe, considering remote civilians have exactly zero power regarding war. Wars, if you haven’t been able to notice, are planned, designed orchestrated, started, and stopped only by people who are not remote civilians, who are simply manipulated to cheer for whatever the bloodthirsty warmongers choose for them.

    It is rather shocking that you could have it as upside-down as Lackey Freeman Jr.

    Freeman and his (((superiors))) have a habit of projecting much. The tail cannot really wag the dog. Believing so is a mistake of identification.

  108. @Badger Down

    That’s like a dung beetle thinking that all the other creatures wants to steal its ball of dung

  109. @mulga mumblebrain

    If I had a neighbor like YOU, I’d be moving to another location. As quickly as possible!

  110. @24th Alabama

    Quote:

    “Many American economists persuaded us years ago that supply and demand should be
    left alone to perform their magic, and they have except the MIC, finance, the media,
    health care and politics, where everything is rigged.”

    I would go so far as to say that EVERYTHING here in the United States is rigged – the stock market & all of its financial machinations, the agricultural industry, the energy suppliers, the natural resource suppliers, the precious metals markets and even coin & stamp collecting. EVERYTHING IS RIGGED!

    There are NO “free markets” here in the United States; they are all controlled by (rigged) regulations and ANTI-COMPETITIVE business practices. The very small corporations, family farms and family-owned businesses not being included in this group.

    Thank you.

    •�Thanks: 24th Alabama
    •�Replies: @JM
  111. HuMungus says:
    @迪路

    In my never ending quest to aid the eating habits of a down on his luck Commie Chink Bastard, who himself claimed that he has an $18 a month food budget for multiple people, enjoy the following video.

    Enjoy!

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    •�Troll: showmethereal
    •�Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @littlereddot
    , @迪路
  112. @Bankotsu

    Chinese civilisation is too different from Western civilisation for any white guy from West to understand.

    “We’re so special you won’t understand us!”

    OK.

    But wait. Maybe so. Consider the practice of creating Eunuchs for the imperial court. Most of those boys died because they took off the the testicles and penis.

    Oh, wait. Were you saying “our barbarity from the past (which might resurface again in the future) is different from the barbarity of ‘white guys’ which makes us special?”

    Maybe I can find some other ways in which the Chinese are special.

    Don’t get me wrong. I have had a life time of exposure to Chinese people, starting at about age 6,

    I have a lot of disgust for the wholesale plundering of China during the Opium Wars and after … and enormous respect for their achievements after they got rid of the Guomindang.

    •�Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @littlereddot
  113. @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen

    “There is no one as bloodthirsty as a civilian remote from the battle lines.”
    Ambassador C.W. Freeman Jr

    That’s one of the stupidest things I’ve seen somebody believe, considering remote civilians have exactly zero power regarding war.

    Are you too short for this ride or just not willing to invest the effort to understand?

    In my opinion (NOTE, but I think there is good evidence for my opinion), those at the battle lines generally have gotten sick of the killing, while civilians remote from the battle lines do tend to engage in very bloodthirsty statements.

    That is orthogonal to those who have orchestrated all the bloodshed.

    •�Replies: @Badger Down
  114. @Bankotsu

    At Chinese bars in China do they often have fistfights over women at closing time? Do they ever have drive by shootings at birthday parties?

    People who live on opposite sides of the planet tend to be different. Here in America if you have a relative in prison (many of us do) the story is likely they stabbed somebody when a drunk argument got out of hand.

  115. @Bankotsu

    Yes, the Chinese are not warlike and this is a critical weakness and must be corrected if they value their existence. Weakness is a crime punishable by death.

  116. @emil nikola richard

    At Chinese bars in China do they often have fistfights over women at closing time? Do they ever have drive by shootings at birthday parties?

    WTF? Drive by shootings are a function of demographics in the US.

    And besides, there are so many Chinese women in China, there is no need for fist fights. And, besides, they are superior … unless they have a man jaw.

  117. @Bill Jones

    The US was built despite slavery.

    Imagine where the United Staes would be today as a nation if blacks had never “graced” our shores due to, I hear, the mostly Jewish controlled American slave trade.

  118. werpor says:
    @Fin of a cobra

    Fin of a cobra, a fine contribution to our understanding the nature of both the Chinese, the West, and the nature of anti-Western civilization manifesting throughout the West.

    “The danger of baizuo is that these people indulge themselves in a world of ideas and have no sense of the real problems of the real world. Their tolerance, generosity, and indulgence of all the negative trends and non-contributing members of Western society have led to the under- mining of their own civilization from inside rather than destroying other civilizations from the outside.”

    Pretty much sums up the sickness which is ailing the West! And whom are they who have been promulgating self hatred if not the Jew? The Chinese admiration for the accomplishments of north western whites are the accomplishments the Chinese civilization has chosen to emulate.

    In doing so the Chinese recognize these accomplishments as something like a gift to mankind which has done its part to relieve China from the same throttling poverty which these accomplishments made possible in the West.

    May I ask, what has the Jew done for mankind? Jews are appropriators and destroyers and haters, wrecking Western societies from within! The Jew is a practitioner of baizuo.

    “Now is the time for anti-baizuo people in China and the West to unite as the defenders of fine races and superior civilizations.” I am anti-baizuo!

    Yes indeed being anti-baizuo speakes volumes, indeed a far better word than anti-Semitism.

    Netanyahu is baizuo. The United States is infested with baizuo. The baizuo cannot change. What then?

  119. Joe Wong says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Eunuchs were not unique to China; they appeared in all ancient imperial civilizations in the rest of the world, like Egypt, India, Greece, and the Romans. Perhaps the Whites liked weird sexual practices like LGBTQ or with dogs more, so they felt there was no need for eunuchs.

    The Whites are so fond of their weird sexual practices, they even keep such practices today, they even glorify such sickening and poisonous behavior with laws, lies in their MSM, and education, and trying to poison the rest of humanity by forcing this sick idea down into everybody’s throat.

    Yeah, creating eunuchs is barbaric, but creating transgenders and AIDS via LGBQ is liberal, democratic, free, and civilized, a sign of White supremacy.

    •�LOL: showmethereal
    •�Replies: @littlereddot
    , @Anonymous
  120. Emslander says:
    @vox4non

    To the extent that it’s possible to be reflective on his point of view, I think Trump sees the USA’s decline in nearly every sphere of national activity as catastrophic and getting close to irreversible.

    I personally have no hope for the healthy future of this country.

    I served for a few years in the Foreign Service during the years when Freemen would have been on his career ascendancy. I know what kind of a world and what kind of a foreign policy he believes in. In Unz’s selected passages, Freeman talks dismissively about the perceived effects of unrestricted immigration on the “lower middle-class” of our nation. There’s the flaw in his world view.

    China probably has a settled and accepted approach to the relationship between those favored by fortune and those less favored. I don’t know China, but the thousands of years of cultural growth must give most of the Chinese a sense of psychic security that our young country can’t possibly provide. I doubt that the elite of China could succeed intellectually for long while separating their aspirations from the aspirations of the common citizen. I’d think that was settled for all time in the Cultural Revolution.

    Spare me the adulation for Freeman.

    Trump was elected by paying attention to the effects our national decline are having on the “lower middle-class”.

    •�Thanks: Charles Pewitt
    •�Replies: @Joe Wong
  121. @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen

    Do you consider the Fairie Queene of the Senate and his fellow warmongers
    to be “remote civilians?”

  122. Joe Wong says:
    @HuMungus

    The host in the video is mentally colonized by the Whites, and he is trolling propaganda against China for a share of the US’ inglorious $1.6B anti-China info campaign budget that the US Congress passed the H.R. 1157 “Countering the People’s Republic of China Malign Influence Fund.

    Industrial meals are a Western invention, such as meals for airliners, fast food chains, restaurant chains healthcare institutions, supermarkets, and endless places in the world.

    Most of the meals in Western societies are prepared by factories on an industrial scale. Westerners consume industrial-prepared food way more than Chinese because they are lousy and lazy cooks.

    •�Replies: @HuMungus
  123. HuMungus says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Such deaths are ‘deaths of despair’, such self-elimination being inevitable in countries inhabited by the like of the fungus troll. If you had neighbours like fungus, well death loses its sting.

    Such airplane crashes are ‘deaths of despair’ as Chink Commie Bastard Airliner pilots would rather kill themselves then suffer the despair of living the Commie Chink dream. This results in its inevitable ends, and they also take their fellow Chink Bastards with them, putting them out of their misery as well.

    Such self-elimination is inevitable in countries inhabited by the like of mulga mumblebrains. If you had neighbours like mumblebrains death loses its sting and is just another day to day event.

    •�Disagree: Badger Down
    •�Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  124. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    As a balanced, perhaps even nuanced at times salve to the role of protectionism’s role in fueling economic growth (Something tha both China and Japan have employed for their domestic economies for several decades), one could suggest Patrick Buchanan’s The Great Betrayal: How American Sovereignty and Social Justice Are Being Sacrificed to the Gods of the Global Economy. And also, the 2010 tome Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism, by Ha-Joon Chan.

    I say:

    Thank you for mentioning Pat Buchanan’s 1998 book “The Great Betrayal: How American Sovereignty and Social Justice Are Being Sacrificed to the Gods of the Global Economy.”

    Did Tariffs Make America Great? — by Pat Buchanan — Unz Review — 2018:

    [MORE]

    The first major bill passed by Congress was the Tariff Act of 1789.

    Weeks later, Washington imposed tonnage taxes all foreign shipping. The U.S. Merchant Marine was born.

    In 1791, Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton wrote in his famous Report on Manufactures:

    “The wealth … independence, and security of a Country, appear to be materially connected with the prosperity of manufactures. Every nation … ought to endeavor to possess within itself all the essentials of national supply. These compromise the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing, and defence.”

    During the War of 1812, British merchants lost their American markets. When peace came, flotillas of British ships arrived at U.S. ports to dump underpriced goods and to recapture the markets the Brits had lost.

    Henry Clay and John Calhoun backed James Madison’s Tariff of 1816, as did ex-free traders Jefferson and John Adams. It worked.

    In 1816, the U.S. produced 840 thousand yards of cloth. By 1820, it was 13,874 thousand yards. America had become self-sufficient.

    Financing “internal improvements” with tariffs on foreign goods would become known abroad as “The American System.”

    Said Daniel Webster, “Protection of our own labor against the cheaper, ill-paid, half-fed, and pauper labor of Europe, is … a duty which the country owes to its own citizens.”

    This is economic patriotism, a conservatism of the heart. Globalists, cosmopolites and one-worlders recoil at phrases like “America First.”

    From the Civil War to the 20th century, U.S. economic policy was grounded in the Morrill Tariffs, named for Vermont Congressman and Senator Justin Morrill who, as early as 1857, had declared: “I am for ruling America for the benefit, first, of Americans, and, for the ‘rest of mankind’ afterwards.”

    To Morrill, free trade was treason:

    “Free trade abjures patriotism and boasts of cosmopolitanism. It regards the labor of our own people with no more favor than that of the barbarian on the Danube or the cooly on the Ganges.”

    From 1869 to 1900, GDP quadrupled. Budget surpluses were run for 27 straight years. The U.S. debt was cut two-thirds to 7 percent of GDP. Commodity prices fell 58 percent. U.S. population doubled, but real wages rose 53 percent.

    Under Warren Harding, Cal Coolidge and the Fordney-McCumber Tariff, GDP growth from 1922 to 1927 hit 7 percent, an all-time record.

    Economic patriotism put America first, and made America first.

    Of GOP free traders, the steel magnate Joseph Wharton, whose name graces the college Trump attended, said it well:

    “Republicans who are shaky on protection are shaky all over.”

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/did-tariffs-make-america-great/

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?103023-1/the-great-betrayal

  125. Joe Wong says:
    @anyone with a brain

    Asking nouveau riche, pirates or mafia to admit they are skin deep, barbaric or morally defunct is like 向和尚借梳。

  126. Chas Freeman in 2019:

    Trump’s presidency has been built on lower middle-class fears of displacement by immigrants and outsourcing of jobs to foreigners. His campaign found a footing in the anger of ordinary Americans – especially religious Americans – at the apparent contempt for them and indifference to their welfare of the country’s managerial and political elites. For many, the trade imbalance with China and Chinese rip-offs of U.S. technology became the explanations of choice for increasingly unfair income distribution, declining equality of opportunity, the deindustrialization of the job market, and the erosion of optimism in the United States.

    I say:

    Chas Freeman is a nasty, smarmy Ivy League coward slob who has probably never faced a debate opponent who would vigorously challenge him on his unpatriotic open borders mass immigration and treasonous open borders free trade positions. Many such cases, as Trump would say.

    I would rhetorically crush this pissant fop boy named Chas Freeman in a debate on immigration policy, trade policy, foreign policy, American national identity and any other damn thing.

    Sam Huntington was a Harvard man, but Sam Huntington understood the civilizational destructiveness of open borders mass immigration and its concomitant multicultural mayhem.

    Decent and honorable Americans must understand that the reason why the United States is undergoing imperial implosion and civilizational dissolution is that the Deep State and ruling class of the American Empire is infested with rancid treasonous scum like Chas Freeman.

    I hereby challenge Chas Freeman and Ron Unz to a debate on nation-killing open borders mass immigration, sovereignty-sapping globalizer trade deal scams, American national identity, foreign policy, monetary policy, the imperial rot that infests the ruling class of the American Empire and any other damn thing.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    EVEN TO THAT SMARMY SLOB NAMED CHAS FREEMAN

  127. anonymous[345] •�Disclaimer says:
    @迪路

    I do question why China allows the US to exist. Thank you.

    •�Replies: @迪路
  128. werpor says:
    @Anonymous

    A Jewish i.e., baizuo strategy, since at least the early 20th Century, of inserting themselves in every predominant position in American Society has been to use education as a system to denigrate the creative and intellectual potentialities of the young Goyim.

    It is easy to look up the demands of educational accomplishment in the late 19th Century. Testing was vigorous. The program was based on the rigour imposed during the Scottish Enlightenment when the Scots realized the necessity of especially teaching the sciences if Scotland was not going to be subsumed by the English. The Scots very quickly became predominant in promulgating scientific theory into practical developments. Not the least example remains the entire railroad development throughout the world.

    Think here surveyors, metallurgy, supply chain innovation, financial acumen, political savvy, construction innovation, engineering: the underlying skill set could not have been realized without a fundamental attention to a practical and rigorous education.

    Forget all the bull shit infantilizing theories promulgated by so many half educated twits and the useful idiots who bought into the entire idea that children would benefit from being entertained rather than being educated. This followed and accompanied by years and years of stretching what could be learned in five years and ought to be learned in five years into 20 boring years of raking over the cold coals of the received!

    Universal education as practiced masks its ills and makes learning mind numbingly destructive — the evidence surrounds us. Few people I ever mentioned to them that I knew algebra when I was six didn’t more or less laugh when I told them. After I explained it they usually sat slack jawed not knowing what to say! In more than one instance these were so called highly ‘educated’ people who claimed they always hated mathematics.

    Had they been taught as I was, that times tables are a series of solved equations, and can be used to teach algebra (solving unknowns) they may have been advantaged in ways they could only imagine.

    Children sang their times tables beginning when they were four years old where I went to school. They were easily learned. By the time of my 6th birthday I knew them up to and including the 13 times tables. I well recall the teacher — in my third year in school when I was six years old — improving our facility with numbers by chalking three of the ten times tables on the blackboard. First we sang the ten times tables as we were accustomed to do.

    Then she erased a column of the numbers in the second times table ten times tables and wrote x where the numbers had been erased. Then she erased the first table. Guess what we sang away without the numbers and so to say, solved for x. Next she used the chalkboard eraser to alter the third ten times table.

    She wrote 10/5 = 2 followed by 10/2 = 5 aha!

    Wait there’s more… 5 is 50% of 10 and of course 2 is 20% of 10.

    And so gradually by the time I had completed three years of schooling I became fascinated by numbers. Mathematics is indeed fascinating. And indeed, logical. The things higher math fiddles with are locally logical but perhaps quantum computing will reveal peculiarities not yet confronted. But nevertheless six year olds taught in the present fashion will be excluded from the discovery that non local conditions maybe exceptional.

    I was given an atlas on the first day of school when I was four. By the time of my 7th birthday I was equally fascinated by the physical and the political inferences. I still have the atlas. I asked someone last weekend if they knew where Syria was? Somewhere in East Africa they said! Gadzooks!

    I answered close. What are you gonna do?

    Why is education called a system? As in the “educational system.” Why is health care delivered by Big Pharma? What is the Washington consensus? Explain the history of the Jews beginning in say 1500?
    Explain the different revolutions — there is a long list of them. Answer those questions and much will be revealed. Inquire for yourselves the cause of and the consequences of the Scottish Enlightenment.

    Go ahead. You may decide your children’s education is brainwashing.

  129. Joe Wong says:
    @Emslander

    The Americans have no experience of pain caused by wars and social and political instability. Therefore Americans have the luxury of talking about dreams detached from reality like you or are intellectually incapable of comprehending a society that is different from theirs.

    Besides the Americans are a religious cult in essence, they always want to change people, and they innately have no interest in understanding or accepting anything different from theirs.

    BTW, the American elite aspires to be the slave master of the world via violence but under the banner of the beacon of democracy freedom, and morality is the American’s birthright while ignoring the deteriorating living standard of the 99% of Americans.

    How long do you think the elite of America could succeed intellectually for long while separating their aspirations from the aspirations of the common citizen, the 99%? Or are the 99% of the common Americans the willing partners of their elites, they are willing to pay whatever the price to support their elite’s aspiration.

    •�Replies: @Emslander
  130. @HuMungus

    Watch this pretty Chink Commie girl grow her own mushrooms then cook them.

    •�Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  131. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Free trade vs. Protectionism is a “quagmire debate” from which we can never extract
    ourselves since we are both producers and consumers, and the true balance of
    payments among nations is subject to revisions and adjustments by economic class
    within each nation.

    Does anyone believe that Walmart and Amazon pass all of their savings on imports
    to consumers. Since most new houses in the U.S. are built by illegal Latino labor
    using substantially cheaper Canadian lumber, you might wonder why one half
    of American families can’t afford a house.

  132. Harvard JEW BOY Larry “Samuelson” Summers has been bashing the shit out of Trump’s trade policy prescriptions, Trump’s policy on China, Trump’s immigration policies and Larry JEW BOY MONEY-GRUBBER Summers has been attacking the decency and virtue of Trump’s beautiful sweet Christian TARIFFS.

    Larry JEW BOY Summers and the Peterson Institute are infamous for pushing treasonous open borders free trade and nation-killing open borders mass immigration.

    This rancid piece of shit Harvard JEW BOY Larry Summers has been wrong on every damn thing for 40 years and I’d bet that Harvard Rodent Chas Freeman agrees with this JEW BOY puke Larry Summers on everything.

    This Baby Boomer Jew phucker Larry Summers has been one of the lead designers of the Federal Reserve Bank globalizer policies to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA by creating massive asset bubbles and by concentrating loot and power in the hands of JEWS ORGANIZED GLOBALLY(JOG).

    I just checked on Chas Freeman’s birth year, and holy smokes, this nasty agent for the globalizer plutocrats, Chas Freeman, was born in 1943 — that puts him down as Baby Boomer adjacent for sure!

    Damn these evil, demonic plutocrat whore slob Baby Boomer Ivy League louts like Larry Summers and Chas Freeman!

    Baby Boomer Jew Larry Summers is an evil Jew scoundrel who was in on the looting of Russia after the Cold War and Larry Summers was pushing so-called “privatization” and every other manner of financialization in order to violently steal assets and resources from the Russians. Larry Summers was operating as an agent of Jew oligarchs and JEWS ORGANIZED GLOBALLY(JOG) when he was running the schemes and scams that looted Russia.

    Baby Boomer Jew Larry Summers also was one of the scumbags who told the bankers to do any damn thing they wanted and this caused the derivative scandals and swindles and scams and JEW BOY Larry Summers was laughing all the way to the bank on that one.

    Larry Summers was HIGHLY involved in many, many more scandals.

    Men are men and women are women, OKAY, I agree with Larry Summers on that. There are biological differences of a massive scale between men and women and Larry Summers just stated the obvious.

    Gilpen Faust’s blood relation the actress has nice thighs; Larry Summers might agree on that.

    Larry Summers and Chas Freeman are both scoundrels of a sordid Harvard sort and these Harvard people and the Deep State and the ruling class of the American Empire need to be dislodged from power immediately.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  133. @Peripatetic commenter

    Why do you twist words like this?

    The commenter said:

    Chinese civilisation is too different from Western civilisation for any white guy from West to understand.

    Yet you stuff your version into his mouth:

    We’re so special you won’t understand us!

    There is great deal of space between “special” and “different”.

  134. @littlereddot

    Li can do ANYTHING, to the amusement of granny. Alas, her new stuff looks rather more contrived than the old, but she’s still a marvel. And the Western psychos seem to think that they can brow-beat or attack the Chinese into submission.

    •�Thanks: littlereddot
  135. @HuMungus

    The wild psychopathy of race hatred for the Chinese has Western knuckle-draggers like this piece of shit really foaming with rage and blood-lust. Pretty typical for Yankee nut-cases, and they seem really to think that China is just another Iraq or Grenada, that great triumph of Yankee martial valour. What a shame we possess nukes, otherwise a good whooping would finish the ‘Exceptional’ swine off, hopefully for good, after they turn on each other.

  136. @emil nikola richard

    At Chinese bars in China do they often have fistfights over women at closing time? Do they ever have drive by shootings at birthday parties?

    Good point.

    For those Westerners who think that they understand Chinese because they have met a few of them.

    They should ask themselves. “Why is it at Chinese restaurants, friends fight to pay the bill?”

    •�Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  137. @JR Foley

    Shiro Isshi was a welcome guest in the USA between the world wars, too. The USA has been planning bio-warfare for decades, perhaps since giving small-pox infected blankets to the locals. And Shiro was instrumental in the US bio-warfare operations in Korea, during the war from 1950-3.

  138. 迪路 says:
    @anonymous

    It is more accurate to say that it is a miracle that the United States has not destroyed itself.
    Most events in the United States can rise to the level of imminent national destruction in Chinese public opinion.
    More to the point, the fact that most Americans have not acted on these events at all is actually quite shocking. If these events had happened in China, someone would have organized an armed uprising or something.
    So in theory, we don’t have to do anything before America goes into suicide mode.

  139. @Joe Wong

    Yeah, creating eunuchs is barbaric,

    You are right. The interesting thing, is that at least in China, most of those folks became eunuchs voluntarily.

    The most prestigious route to a cushy life was to study very hard to be the 0.001 % of people who passed the Imperial Examinations and get appointed as an officer of the government.

    To others not so academically gifted, there was another route to cushy, well paying, powerful position in the palace…..parting with one’s ability to father a child so that he could be trusted with the royal women in the inner sanctums of the palace.

    We all make sacrifices for our careers no? Some of us sacrifice 10 hours a day. Others move thousands of miles away from family and loved ones. Sure, removing one’s ability to father children was a drastic way of doing it, but in the end, it was also a job sacrifice.

    Speaking of voluntary eunuchs, I am reminded of the Italian Castrati and of course the movie Farinelli

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  140. 迪路 says:
    @HuMungus

    Enjoy your ultra-processed food. HuMungus.
    Monkeys can’t imagine getting a healthy diet on a very low budget.
    Eat some bananas, monkey.

  141. @littlereddot

    They should ask themselves. “Why is it at Chinese restaurants, friends fight to pay the bill?”

    Been there, done that.

    Of course, they generally don’t pull out knives or get into fist fights.

    They resort to subterfuges, like pretending to go to the bathroom and paying the bill on the way.

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  142. @Peripatetic commenter

    They resort to subterfuges, like pretending to go to the bathroom and paying the bill on the way.

    LOL, that is the Western way of doing it.

    You have again displayed how you do not bother to read words properly, but immediately project your own understanding/circumstances onto other people/cultures.

    Read my words again carefully. When Chinese friends go to dinner, very often THEY WANT TO PAY THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS….to elaborate, so that you can understand clearly………
    1. Each rushes to get the bill so that they can pay for the rest.
    2. Each tries to pick up the tab for the group

    I think I have made myself sufficiently clear. If you cannot understand this, then I do not know how else to convey the message.

    If you have problem with reading comprehension, then I have even less confidence that you are able to understand differences between cultures.

    Please explain why it the the OPPOSITE to what happens in American restaurant settings.

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  143. @littlereddot

    I don’t think you understand.

    Castrati were only castrated (their testicles removed).

    Imperial Court eunuchs had more removed and something like 90% of candidates died painfully.

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  144. Anonymous[323] •�Disclaimer says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    The West has always been Evil, driven by Judaic xenophobia and supremacism, but now it has gone stark, raving, mad as it smells its own fall from power, the equivalent, for the psychopaths who run the West, of death. In the USA and stooge regimes like Austfailia, the race and ideological hatred of China is fulminating out of control and ALL reason. The ‘lizard brains’ are in charge.

    “Woe to ye, oh earth and sea, for the devil sends the beast with wrath, since he knows his time is short”. – from one version of the Bible

    I agree that the collective West (our leaders and elites) will stop at nothing, absolutely NOTHING to retain what they consider the West’s birthright: Absolute mastery of all the world and the entirety of humanity for all eternity. Everything is on the table: War, genocide, pandemic, even nuclear armageddon.

    Problem is this: They can sense their own failure, and their irrecoverable loss of primacy, forever. AND WHOOOO BOY ARE THEY LIVID WITH RAGE!

    That’s their problem though, not humanity’s.

    BUT, the more extreme Westerners would rather end most multi-cellular life on earth than become one among many cultures. They will not hesitate to launch the nukes when they know they can no longer win.

    China’s ongoing moves at building up its strategic nuclear arsenal, and Russia’s modernizing of theirs, are the only way to dissuade these madmen. Let’s hope it’s even POSSIBLE to bring them to their senses, for all our sakes.

  145. Anonymous[125] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    Actually the idea of ‘political eunuchs’ – in the ancient sense, and not as in today’s western world with a Soros bought political class, made a great deal of sense.
    Eunuchs were typically a deep administrative class based very close to the seat of all power, metaphorically if not literally speaking, the imperial court. Having determined, focussed male energy, but not swayed by that bane of male existence, sexual lust, the idea was that the eunuch would be ‘married to the job’, that is the entire focus of his considerable energy, concentration and determination being on the fulfilment of his allotted task. And, moreover, the eunuch, by definition was incorruptible by means of either sexual or monetary intrigue, and thus his loyalty and devotion was assured.

    Today, the term ‘political eunuch’ , which was coined by the contemporary British politician Michael Foot, is used as a pejorative, the meaning being that the ‘inability to perform’ is a general description of uselessness. In this sense, it is an excellent jibe and the best possible descriptor of the ‘elected representatives’ of ‘western democracies’ – basically completely useless Economist whipped place holders who draw big salaries for sitting on their fat arses – and breaking wind.

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  146. Emslander says:
    @Joe Wong

    Or are the 99% of the common Americans the willing partners of their elites, they are willing to pay whatever the price to support their elite’s aspiration.

    Given Donald Trump’s three electoral victories over the past eight years in his campaigns for the presidency of the USA, I’d assert that at least the 65% have dumped the aspirations of their elites.

    That train has left the station for good. “America First” means we don’t give a crap about the EU, Ukraine’s perverts or John Kerry’s climate religion. Our religion is no longer about correcting the sins of the rest of the world, but about examining our own consciences.

  147. @Peripatetic commenter

    I don’t think you understand.

    Of course I understand. Your projection/assumption is astounding.

    Where have I stated that Chinese eunuchs only had their testicles removed?

    Besides, the reason why the Castrati had their testicles removed was totally different to Chinese eunuchs.

    The Chinese eunuchs had both testicles and penises removed to be doubly sure that they could not father children or even have sex with the royal women.

    Italian castrati removed their testicles to elimate/reduce the source of testosterone production. Prevention of sex or reproduction was not the goal, it was the maintenance of an unbroken voice.

    Imperial Court eunuchs had more removed and something like 90% of candidates died painfully.

    I don’t know if you are just trolling or being deliberately being obtuse?

    Just google it please.
    You will find that in the Qing court the mortality was about 2%

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  148. @littlereddot

    They resort to subterfuges, like pretending to go to the bathroom and paying the bill on the way.

    LOL, that is the Western way of doing it.

    Then please explain why I have seen exactly that behavior from Chinese people I have been to dinner
    or 飲茶 with them?

    Read my words again carefully. When Chinese friends go to dinner, very often THEY WANT TO PAY THE BILL FOR THE OTHERS….to elaborate, so that you can understand clearly………

    Please read my words carefully and don’t project your ignorance on me.

    There was nothing in what I wrote that implied I believed they did not want to pay the bill for the others, or that I did not understand that the arguments were because they each wanted to pay the whole bill, and indeed, I have done that myself.

    As to motivation, after 40 years of close association with Chinese people I think I can posit a couple of motives:

    1. They don’t want to sponge off their friends/relatives, and
    2. They want to demonstrate that they have sufficient means to afford it.

    And, I have also observed that Chinese people always bring gifts when they visit someone’s house.

    As to why Westerners are different? Among good friends we typically simply pay our share but there are plenty of free loaders out there.

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    , @littlereddot
  149. @littlereddot

    Just google it please.
    You will find that in the Qing court the mortality was about 2%

    And I am sure we can believe Qing (an invading people) on this.

    Oh, wait. You believe that a procedure performed without anesthesia (except for slapping some spicy sauces on them) and in pretty unsanitary conditions and which removes a part with very good blood supply had such a low level of mortality. In addition, there was a ready supply of non-Qing applicants, so who cared what the survival rate was?

    Perhaps you need to do more research. Perhaps you could apply such a procedure on yourself and see how it goes.

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  150. HuMungus says:
    @Joe Wong

    The host in the video is mentally colonized by the Whites, and he is trolling propaganda against China for a share of the US’ inglorious $1.6B anti-China info campaign budget that the US Congress passed the H.R. 1157 “Countering the People’s Republic of China Malign Influence Fund.

    I think he does well enough by using Patreon sucking up donations of $1-5-10 per person from 1,000’s of people. LOL!!!!!!

    Industrial meals are a Western invention, such as meals for airliners, fast food chains, restaurant chains healthcare institutions, supermarkets, and endless places in the world.

    It’s not like the White Devil can’t see where money making opportunities reside. LOL!!!!

    Most of the meals in Western societies are prepared by factories on an industrial scale. Westerners consume industrial-prepared food way more than Chinese because they are lousy and lazy cooks.

    The 9-5 work culture leaves Westerners with much more time to prepare food then the 9-9-6 work culture of China. Did you know that there are 80 MILLION food delivery drivers in China!! Sure seems like quite a few Commie Chink Bastards eat institutional food over home cooked meals.

  151. Caroline says:

    IMO the biggest issue in the relationship between the US and China is the US doctrine of “Full Spectrum Dominance”. Like its British predecessor “Balance of Power”, people who adhere to the doctrine of “Full Spectrum Dominance” regard China being independant of the US and having its own sphere of influence as an act of aggresion against the US.

    Pat Buchanan already warned about that in his book “Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War”.

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    , @HuMungus
  152. Caroline says:
    @Caroline

    I really recommend reading this book.

  153. @Matt Lazarus

    Neo-pronouns. No other country can produce these.

  154. @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen

    No, what’s a vicious attack on the poor and middle classes is outsourcing their jobs, removing their ability to build anything and making them wholly dependent on a hostile nation like China for everything from high tech devices like iPhones to guitars to vitamins.

    Tariffs are hated by everyone except a few people who understand that China has used them and NTBs to great effect. Russia has tariffs now in the form of sanctions; it’s economy has diversified and grown much faster than without them. Russians produce things now they never did before because they have to.

    Makes no difference. No matter how many historical or existing present day examples are shown, everyone is going to say they want free trade. They want total complete abject dependency in other words on a China which uses so many barriers to entry that no one can compete with them. Their GDP continues to go at 6-7% per year, their people get wealthier and their workers learn more about how to design and build. Americans just sit around and bitch about evil tariffs and create more neo-pronouns.

    Americans deserve to have a services economy and massive debt.

  155. HuMungus says:
    @Caroline

    IMO the biggest issue in the relationship between the US and China is the US doctrine of “Full Spectrum Dominance”. Like its British predecessor “Balance of Power”, people who adhere to the doctrine of “Full Spectrum Dominance” regard China being independant of the US and having its own sphere of influence as an act of aggresion against the US.

    Full Spectrum Dominance is the idea that we will BEAT YOUR ASS on land, on water and in the air, and ALL TRUE AMERICANS simply LOVE the concept.

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  156. Caroline says:
    @Matt Lazarus

    Overpriced military equipment

  157. Moxolatte says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    @littlereddot oof, some people just don’t understand. It is not just Chinese that rush to pay dinner for friends, it is only Americans and Israelis that find *joie de vivre* in Going Dutch

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  158. Moxolatte says:
    @Bankotsu

    No, you are comparing apples and oranges. Mearsheimer is not defining china for an ignorant audience, he is formally describing China’s situation from a formal realist theory point of view. If you want peace to produce and trade you have to prepare for war. War preparation / capability amounts to thebsame or rather is the more important factor when analyzing geopolitics. Mearsheimer is a specialist. Anglin does a good description intended for a general audience

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  159. @Peripatetic commenter

    Please read my words carefully and don’t project your ignorance on me.

    Yes, you are right. I have read it again, I did not read your statements properly.

    For this, I apologise.

  160. @Peripatetic commenter

    And I am sure we can believe Qing (an invading people) on this.

    The Qing used ethnic Han administrators to run their system.

    Their use of court eunuchs was inherited from the Ming.
    The Ming themselves made extensive or even over-use of court eunuchs which led to enormous problems and contributed to the rot of their dynasty.

    On castration itself, figures would vary according to the kinds/circumstances of the castration. Courtly surgical procedures would certainly have benefited from better medical care than say penal/punishment procedures. Even if we use Ming figures of 20% for penal castration of captured rebels, it is far from 90%.

    Oh, wait. You believe that a procedure performed without anesthesia (except for slapping some spicy sauces on them) and in pretty unsanitary conditions and which removes a part with very good blood supply had such a low level of mortality. In addition, there was a ready supply of non-Qing applicants, so who cared what the survival rate was?

    Why are you arguing based on your own conjecture? Do justice to your monicker. Be Aristotelian, not Sophist.

    Does opium qualify as an anaesthetic?
    How about acupuncture?

    More interesting to me is why you assume that there was no anaesthesia??? Your motherland was not so backward as the gringos describe it, you know.

    Have you been to China? If not, you really should. It would blow your mind.

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  161. @Moxolatte

    Gosh, where have said only Chinese rush to pay for dinner? Please do not take my words out of context and stuff words into my mouth.

    Many cultures will glad treat their friends. But in my experience Americans, Australians, New Zealanders generally avoid paying if they can get away with it.

    I have never had a meal with Dutch, so I cannot say if they deserve their reputation for “going Dutch”.

    I have had meals with Israelis though. They seemed no less generous than anybody else.

    Middle easterners in general also do it alot. My hunch is that the concept of hospitality and generosity largely explains it.

    Apart from generosity towards friends, Chinese do it for a different reason. One that is bourne out of Confucian legacy….everyone is aware that he is part of society, and that as he benefits from it, he also has a duty towards it. That is why they are at pains to “do their part” and not sponge off others.

  162. @Moxolatte

    You are missing the point that Bankotsu is making.

    Mearsheimer makes the mistake that others like McGregor and Jeffrey Sachs do not.

    McGregor and Sachs have a different opinion from Mearsheimer because they have a more intimate knowledge of China’s culture and history. They know that China’s cultural attitudes are very different from the West, and one cannot assume that China will act in the same way as the West.

    Mearsheimer on the other hand assumes that China will act as another Athens. He assumes that as China gains power, she will use it in the same way the West did when it gained power.

    You have fallen into the same trap that Mearsheimer and the vast majority of Westerners have, by assuming that others think, and are motivated the same way that you do.

    Do you think I am speaking nonsense? Then here is my challenge to you. Explain this:

    Indonesia is populated by the Austronesian-Polynesian peoples. These people are great seafarers and inhabit places from Madagascar off East Africa to Easter Island off Peru. They clearly had advanced sailing technology and steel weapons for millenia. They regularly traded with far away Africa and China.

    Yet they did not make the short trip to neighbouring Australia and conquer or colonise the stone age Aborigines there?

    It took Brits sailing from the other side of the globe to grab Australia for themselves?


    Why did the Indonesians not colonise Australia even though it was so close and populated by a people with little ability to resist?

    If you can answer this, then you will know why Mearsheimer is wrong in his assumption about China.

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  163. manifold says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron, really appreciate your excellent work, always reasonable. I think you are the ONLY major outlet in the US to go against the grain of “China guilty”. I would like to add an interesting observation which supports your take more than the “China guilty” take. So far, the only “evidence”, and even that is circumstantial, of China making and releasing the Covid virus, is the report of 3 sick Wuhan lab workers in the Fall of 2019. That evidence was obtained from intelligence monitoring of emails, voice calls, and text messages. As such, there should be available the names of the 3 sick individuals. There were no names attached to these workers. If this was good intelligence, the 3 names should be available. Senator Rand Paul in a hard quest to blame China and Dr Fauci for the pandemic, demanded the 3 names from the intelligence community. What to do? A powerful senator asks for the names and there are no names. It is deduced that the spies simply randomly picked out 3 names from Wuhan Lab publications and gave these names to the Senator. The spies thought that all Wuhan lab workers worked with virus, but they guessed wrong! It turned out that the 3 individuals were data analysts and never worked with live viruses. These 3 surprised scientists said it’s ridiculous and that they were never sick in the Fall of 2019. They also took antibody tests in March 2020 and every lab workers at the Wuhan Lab tested negative.

    https://www.science.org/content/article/ridiculous-says-chinese-scientist-accused-being-pandemic-s-patient-zero

    It is almost certain that the US made up the intelligence of the 3 sick lab workers. Whether this case was made simply to embarrass China or whether there was a more sinister reason behind this case is to be determined. No one is looking into this case, perhaps your team and colleagues can help?

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    , @mulga mumblebrain
  164. Ron Unz says:
    @manifold

    Thanks, that doesn’t surprise me in the least. The whole story of the three supposedly infected Wuhan lab workers didn’t fit with the alleged timing, and it was obviously just an intelligence fabrication much like Saddam’s WMDs.

    I’m not sure if you’ve looked at my articles, but I must have published around two dozen of them, covering almost all aspects of the story in quite a lot of detail. Both the official natural virus narrative and the alternative lab-leak scenario make absolutely no logical sense and are easily contracted by the simplest analysis of the evidence.

    I remember being very suspicious about what had happened as early as late January, and raised the possibility in various comments, but by the time I published my first article in April 2020, the evidence of an American biowarfare attack seemed very strong, almost overwhelming.

    The whole situation is absolutely astonishing. A botched American biowarfare attack led to a global epidemic that killed well over a million Americans and perhaps around 30 million others worldwide, and absolutely no one anywhere will discuss it. The crisis has obviously now passed, but you can imagine how frustrated I was during the couple of years this was all happening.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

  165. @Ron Unz

    There’s more to SARS CoV2. The capacity of coronaviruses to mutate into more lethal forms is well-known, particularly if driven on by ‘vaccines’. The modified mRNA gene therapy injections, and the PEG nano-particles are bio-warfare, too. And new ‘variants’ are no doubt awaiting their debuts in labs at AMRIID, the UNC at Chapel Hill or somewhere else in the vast archipelago of US bio-warfare labs.
    Moreover, the spike protein, the lethal spearhead of the attack, is a very carefully crafted entity with numerous modes of harmful action. To use the spike protein, and not any other, almost certainly harmless, viral proteins, was plainly designed to turn the bodies of the victims into a spike protein factories, after the gene therapy IMMEDIATELY exits the deltoid muscle, made even more likely by the inexplicable decision to change intra-muscular injection technique. It’s a population reduction plan, through direct attrition, and by attacks on human reproduction.

  166. Daemon says:
    @Ron Unz

    Nobody will discuss it because the outcome basically obligates China to start WW3 and nuke the continental US in retaliation. If not, the very credibility and legitimacy of the PLA and the CPC will be called into question. That’s a can of worms nobody wants to touch.

  167. HuMungus says:
    @littlereddot

    On castration itself, figures would vary according to the kinds/circumstances of the castration.

    Did they use castrato for choirs?

    I am only asking because Mohammad bought a castrated Black slave to voice the call to prayer, because he had such a nice voice.

    and always always remember: The reason that Kenyans win so many gold medals in the Olympics is because for at least 2,000 years Arab slavers would conduct slave raids where every captured male would have their balls cut off.

    All modern Kenyans come from good running stock, because of you weren’t a fast runner to begin with the Arabs would catch and de-ball you.

    The rest is Darwin in action!

  168. @Ron Unz

    A botched American biowarfare attack led to a global epidemic that killed well over a million Americans and perhaps around 30 million others worldwide, and absolutely no one anywhere will discuss it.

    This is an exaggeration. Yesterday on Break the Rules Youtube Vlad Davison and Curtis Yarvin were both leading with “why in the world was the word covid entirely absent from any 2024 election discussion?”

    Everybody in power and authority looked like a jackass is why. If I was one of them control freaks I wouldn’t talk about it either.

  169. @HuMungus

    1. Do you know why you indulge in laughing at blacks?
    Ans: Because you feel good when you think you are superior.

    2. Do you want to know why you seek to feel superior?
    Ans: Because you know you have no personal achievements, nor ever will.

    3. What do you do when you have not, and will not have personal achievements?
    Ans: Grab other people’s glory by usurping the glory of your race.

    4. What will you do when your race has little achievements?
    Ans: You broaden the definition of your race to something as nebulous as “Whites”. That way you can steal the glory of the Greeks and Romans too. It is ironic that the Greeks and Romans considered your ancestors as barbarians.

    This is why you go on a tangent about Kenyans.

    I have far more respect for Kenyans than White Trash.

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  170. @HuMungus

    No doubt the dumbest and most viciously pig ignorant piece of shit, so far. Perhaps they might have had to run fast from lions, leopards, or hyenas like you etc-or do you reckon those were all Arabs?

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    , @showmethereal
  171. @manifold

    US politics and ‘intelligence’ do little but lie. In regard to the PRC, it’s ALL lies. The race and cultural hatred is scrambling their ‘brains’. And the Chinese just sit and watch the whole US shit-heap as it slowly collapses.

  172. @littlereddot

    The Makassans from Sulawesi visited northern Austfailia from the 17th century, perhaps as early as c.1500. They traded mostly in trepang, sea cucumber, a prized delicacy, and up to one thousand boats visited each year. And indigenous returned with them at times, and even settled and married in Makassar.

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  173. Z-man says:
    @Ron Unz

    You would think, but I don’t know. Put a sneak in front of an American and that anger dissipates quickly.
    Yum, medium rare with a baked potato and veggies. 🤔

  174. @mulga mumblebrain

    Thank you. I was unaware of that.

    The Javans also certainly did. If the Majapahit polity of the late 1200s AD could include Aceh which is 2300 km away from the capital, surely they could go 1600 km to colonise Australia too, if they really wanted to….yet they only traded with the Aborigines.

    Hell, even the Chinese had maps indicating Australia…I have seen references to maps dating from the 1400s. They probably got their info from the Sri Vijaya, Majapahit or other successor states.

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  175. @niceland

    The halo of hatred that surrounds national self-sufficiency burns ever brighter.

    The U.S. can probably do this if there is strong political will to bite the bullet and be prepared for decades of hard work and struggle with considerable hardship. I don’t think the U.S. elites are interested. Among other things this would likely escalate the decline of the empire and upend all kinds of political realities around the globe.

    Free trade goes with open borders and the twain can never be separated. Once you agree in principle that you no longer want your labor to maintain key industrial interests, you have no say in the labor market and your country will turn into a dumping ground for multi-cult.

    Libertarians may have no power in politics, but they’ve completely shaped all discussion on free trade (and by extension, open borders and infinity replacements for native born workers). No ideological camp is in favor industrializing society save nationalists.

    While the poster talks about the difficulty of rebuilding American industry, like all free traders, he doesn’t have any solutions for a country that depends on everything being shipped from thousands of miles away. As the Covid scam taught us, it takes nothing for America to get wrecked.

    Medications are one example. During the pandemic, Little Marco Rubio was pretending to be flustered during a meeting in which it was pointed out that America closed its last pill plant and could literally not even produce Vitamin C. *Everything* is Chinese, everything. So when and if the next plandemic occurs, forget about the meds being available if the disease is actually serious instead of the fake Covid.

    What are the consequences of Chinese control of your key supplies? You end up with a population of Uber drivers. What skills do we have? We make pr0n and build OnlyFans.

    The libertarian free trade/open borders fatalism is the worst mental disease I’ve ever seen. Even with the recent supply chain disaster in the rear view mirror, the ideological virus has complete control over the brains of almost everyone.

    Meanwhile, in Russia… the nation has been building a diversified economy out of necessity. So are the Russians suffering real hard because of it? It’s not showing. The disasterous consequences of slaughtering their young men will boomerang and they are already importing niggers to bed their women, but recall these are people who are still very much shaped by communism. Saw some story about a Mexican who bedded over 100 Russian women while as a college student.

    Point is that Russia had sanctions which are another form of tariff, only worse. They are not suffering incredibly from it even while fighting a major war.

    And yes, China has created and maintains tariffs and NTBs that have made its GDP grow at a rate that the West can only dream about.

    Give it up with libertarian glood and doom. You guys have literally nothing but a future of inflated assets and low wage, demoralizing jobs.

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  176. @OliverPeeples

    Continuing…

    Most of the people reading the libertarian crap are not even aware that the U.S. just recently completed a chip factory in the southwest. It is producing higher quality outputs than even the best factory in Taiwan. Most are also oblivious to the quality of American craftsmanship and engineering in the old days. I’m not even patriotic, but do remember a time when American made stuff was well worth the extra price because the items, lasted, were higher quality and *lasted.*

    Over the next year, SpaceX will launch 400 times. Our AI, contrary the ludites, is impressive and it is a matter of time before we have unmanned missions to pull mineral rich rocks into orbit.

    Now if you are libertarian free trader, this will horrify you because it means you have to think in terms other than Uber drivers and insanely stupid wealth inequality. You have to get out of bed with Krugman and ponder a world in which life is more leisurely, the nation is more self-sufficient and Americans call their own shots.

    •�Replies: @niceland
    , @showmethereal
  177. HuMungus says:
    @littlereddot

    1: Because they are stupid.

    Example: Blacks Lives Matter – Blacks are 10 times as murderous as Whites, yet they set up an organization whose goal is to De-fund the Police so that those more murderous Blacks have a better environment to practice their trade … Because Black Lives Matter! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let’s not get into the fact that much of the donations to that organization has gone to fund fancy cars, fancy vacations and fancy mansions for the leadership of the organizations. LOL!!!!!!!!

    2: I don’t need to feel superior. I am superior! After all I am only 1/10th as murderous as the average Black! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3: The only achievement I want is to make fun of Muslims and Commies. Considering your reactions I am doing the excellent job on the second! LOL!!!!!!

    4: The Benevolent Guiding Hand of the White Devil (also known as capitalism) is an achievement above all achievements. On the negative end of things we also have the achievement of the 2 Bearded Russians who wrote various things that the STUPID yellows have taken in hook, line and sinker. So we have both good and bad achievements.

    On the other hand, the minority smarter yellows such as the Malaysians have enacted laws that imprison anyone pushing the ideas of the 2 Bearded Russians, with up to 15 years of imprisonment. Perhaps you should rethink your retirement plans. I would hate to think of you squatting over a hole in the floor toilet for the rest of your life. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  178. LOL. You are obviously below the average IQ mark of Europeans which is 100. Here are two signs of that:

    1. Because I am sick of Yank bullying of China, you actually think I am from China. Want to know where I am from? Look up this map and guess.

    2. Since you ignorantly named Malaysia, here is what the former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir said about China, when he was pressed by the US to make China an enemy: “We have been trading with China for 2000 years, and China has never tried to conquer us. Yet within 50 years of contact with the West, they had already begun to colonise us”.

    In case you don’t know, the rest of the world outside that of the US and its vassals are sick of American bullying. That is why there is a long line of countries seeking to join BRICS. Including Malaysia which is already a named Partner Country of BRICS.

    If you have any familiarity at all with the way Malaysians and Southeast Asians express themselves, they are very subtle and gentle in their speech. If I were to translate it to American parlance, it would be as such “Listen up you motherf#ckers, I have not problem with China. It is you who have been making my life hell. Now stop being hippocrites and f#ck off! ”

    Further, the Europeans are just starting to realise that the US has been draining their lifeblood. Soon the people that will hate the US the most won’t be the Russians or Iranians. It will be the Europeans. Please mark my words.

    But you probably wont understand due to your low IQ.

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  179. niceland says:
    @OliverPeeples

    I was simply pointing out few problems the U.S. faces if its going to take on China in a trade war and at the same time become self reliant in industry. I could easily add to the list quite a bit. This has little if anything to do with my own views. Just how I see the world and economic realities.

    Even if Trump won by a landslide I don’t think the U.S. elites are ready for a new “New Deal” WW2 sort of transformation of the U.S. economy. I don’t see that happening. I think its a good idea for the U.S. to try to rebuilt its industries and supply chains but this is is impossible to do by declaring trade war on China and trying to rush it. It has to happen gradually over time. Trump’s advertised plan looks like a pile of nonsense to me. Rectifying the enormous mistake the U.S. made by shredding it’s industrial base will take decades. The U.S. doesn’t have hundreds of millions of poor peasants willing to work hard to improve their living conditions like China had. Very different situation.

    One of the hopeful indicators for the incoming Trump administration are reports of Trump surrounding himself with high caliber people in his Mar-A-Lago bunker. It looks like Elon Musk has put his own affairs on pause and is spending most days with Trump. Another billionaire Marc Andreessen said in recent interview he had spent about half of his days since the election at Mar-A-Lago trying to ‘help’. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen

    So perhaps Trump’s second term won’t be like his first – Trump with lots of ideas lost in the woods surrounded by people who wasn’t onboard and some of them working against him. Odds are he may get something done this time – whatever it is. There is some room here for optimism but these guys only have one term. Sure they can change the course of the U.S. somewhat during that period. But the problem they face is to make it stick.

    To make permanent changes they have to focus on changing the narrative. They have to focus on destroying the information warfare capabilities of the ‘enemy’. I suspect that’s what DOGE is partly about. However for the benefit of the U.S. both domestically and abroad – it’s necessary to put Israel and it’s lobby in it’s place as foreign agent and shred that power structure for the benefit of U.S. interests and of the whole planet. Unfortunately I don’t see any signs of that.

    Long time ago in a galaxy far away – the empire (deep state) always seems to strike back. It’s unclear if it has to after Trump’s second term but it certainly will if sees fit.

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  180. HuMungus says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    No doubt the dumbest and most viciously pig ignorant piece of shit, so far. Perhaps they might have had to run fast from lions, leopards, or hyenas like you etc-or do you reckon those were all Arabs?

    Nope! They had to run from Arab slavers. Carnivores usually pick the weakest one in a group, such as the old, the young, or a women. Further, excepting for children, these are usually past the breeding age and Darwin won’t work his magic.

    Now packs of Arab slavers will go for EVERYONE in a group, and only the fastest to run away will survive to breed. LOL!!!!!!

    Besides! Why are Kenyans always the fastest runners? It’s because they were just across the water and thus the easiest to raid. Running fast was a evolutionary trait much in demand for their ancestors. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  181. @HuMungus

    #179 is meant for the one with 75 IQ

  182. @niceland

    Rectifying the enormous mistake the U.S. made by shredding it’s industrial base will take decades. The U.S. doesn’t have hundreds of millions of poor peasants willing to work hard to improve their living conditions like China had. Very different situation

    All due respect, this is the kind of antiquated thinking I would expect out of Chas Freeman.

    The reindustrialization will not be putting humans back on factory lines, at least not like you think. Human robotics is advancing far enough along and this is what Musk is whispering in Trump’s ear — the benefits of accelerating these types of programs with AI controlling day-to-day life. Andreesen dumped the Biden administration when it announced it wanted an AI cartel in place that would be controlled by government policy.

    The few humans who work will be doing high level work and the vast majority will spend time leisurely working instead of working as wage slaves. I expect the covid jabs to continue to keep working on removing “excess” population even as new rounds of jabs are concocted for HN5, etc. The all cause mortality continues apace five years into this and it will *not* be covered by anyone except health researchers.

    Work is at an end. There are already too few jobs to go around. Dating, courtship, marriage and reproduction are dead because of the economic and cultural decay. Democracy is awful and most people understand the system is dead. This includes the dead ideology of free trade, make China rich, etc.

    If you want an illustration of economic warfare waged everyday against investors, you only need look at the American stock exchanges. Chinese companies are allowed to list their stocks. Their services and goods are usually never anything to do with America. The Chinese siphon money out of naive American investors through repeated rounds of dilutions that, if done by an American company, would lead to lawsuits. It’s an open secret that this destruction of American wealth is just the Chinese way; fake companies with fake ERs listing, using pumps to draw investors in only to stomp them. Stock drops to ten cents and reverse splits are issued; process starts all over again. Massive amounts of American wealth is destroyed. Massive.

    Nothing is done about it by the SEC despite everyone knowing that the Chinese are using our exchanges as money printers. The new administration has threatened to end the listing of Chinese companies, but it won’t happen. The U.S. is so indebted to China at this points; is so weak and lacking an industrial base, that it’s only option is to scale robotics and AI as fast as possible.

    Point here is that China is waging economic warfare and has been for decades. The U.S. can continue to follow their plan and have us all unemployed or working “gig” jobs as wagies with stable income or benefits, or it can use its technical know how to build automated factories here. Any shit about “uh, we cannot do that cause herrrr derrr Lew Rockell Murray Rothbard free trade herrrr derrr…” will be ignored if the country expects to survive.

    The semi plant is an astonishing achievement and there was a lot of naysaying about it, but here only a few years later, it’s kicking ass. So when you hear some free trader advocate/China dove, it’s worth remembering that they paint a very grim picture using very old antiquated views that are separated from what’s happening now. Russia did the same very quickly.

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  183. H. L. M says:
    @Ron Unz

    [Anti-vaxxers are not welcome on this website and anti-vaxxing comments are strictly prohibited on all non-vaxxing threads. If you continue your bad behavior, your commenting will be severely restricted.]

  184. HuMungus says:
    @littlereddot

    1. Because I am sick of Yank bullying of China, you actually think I am from China. Want to know where I am from? Look up this map and guess.

    Nope! I accepted your statement that you are from Singapore. Just as I accept your statement that many Singaporean go to Malaysia for retirement because of the price difference. LOL!!!!

    -10 points to the IQ scale for each for a grand total of -20 points

    2. Since you ignorantly named Malaysia, here is what the former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir said about China, when he was pressed by the US to make China an enemy: “We have been trading with China for 2000 years, and China has never tried to conquer us. Yet within 50 years of contact with the West, they had already begun to colonise us”.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that after putting down a Communist uprising, Malaysia put a law on the books which allows for up to 15 years imprisonment for anyone pushing Communist propaganda …. and that this law is still on the books. LOL!!!

    Yet another 10 points deducted from your IQ!

    The above does not change the fact that you have been brainwashed by Chinese propaganda, and have swallowed the writings of the 2 bearded Russians hook, line and sinker, giving you an effective IQ multiplier of 70%, which brings the effective IQ of the average Chinese down to African norms.

    Assuming an average IQ of 105, less adjustments of negative 30 points, further adjusted by a 70% multiplier to account for the influence of the 2 bearded Russians we get

    (105-20-10)*70% = you have an effective IQ of 52.5

    Pretty sure most monkeys will beat that! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The 70% multiplier adjusts the Chinese IQ level (necessary for civilization) down to African norms as the wage of the mean Chinese is equal to the wage of the mean African, indicating that their level of civilization is now equivalent. LO!!!!!!!

    This number does not adjusted for the 10-20 million Chinese that have Western levels of income, as that is rapidly going away with China’s rejection of The Benevolent Guiding Hand of the White Devil.

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  185. BlackFlag says:
    @OliverPeeples

    Point here is that China is waging economic warfare and has been for decades. The U.S. can continue to follow their plan and have us all unemployed or working “gig” jobs as wagies with stable income or benefits, or it can use its technical know how to build automated factories here. Any shit about “uh, we cannot do that cause herrrr derrr Lew Rockell Murray Rothbard free trade herrrr derrr…” will be ignored if the country expects to survive.

    The Brits promoted free trade propaganda when it benefited them. List discussed it in detail in his seminal work. Than the Americans did when it benefited them. Now the Chinese do. It’s always been cynical propaganda like self-determination.

    The U.S. is so indebted to China at this points; is so weak and lacking an industrial base, that it’s only option is to scale robotics and AI as fast as possible.

    Yeah, there are only so many slots available. Think if you were playing one of those games like Warcraft. You should concentrate your industry in one spot. You benefit from scale. It’s not that simple cause some locations are more propitious for certain things than others and you want some redundancy. Then you have political factors which lead to a distribution of industry, i.e. rival blocs as is taking place right now.

    But overall, you basically have a few slots; maybe only one! If you want to compete you need: a) govt that can coordinate industry for the long-term(i.e. not the US one in the 90s and 00s; b) a hardworking, diligent, competent, and entrepreneurial populace. If you have a and b you might be able to move up and take a spot but it’s hard. I don’t see the US as being able to take China’s spot.

    So the US has one wildcard shot which is extremely disruptive future tech: AI and Robotics. We enter a new paradigm if we can survive – highly unlikely!

  186. BlackFlag says:
    @littlereddot

    Makes sense but couldn’t the US restrict tariffs to only those parts, industries, manufacturers which it knows are sourcing from China? Seems like a relatively simple thing to do but I guess any process done by the US govt is very cumbersome. By the time they pass a bill and the agencies begin implementing it, the Chinese and Mexican entities will have found a workaround.

  187. BlackFlag says:
    @AxeGryndr

    Yeah, China is winning the peace so America has to disrupt things. Its options are:

    1. Disruptive tech that places us in a new paradigm. AI and robotics.
    2. Provoke a war. I guess this why China is doing very little around the world (e.g. Gaza and Syria). It only makes a stand when it absolutely has to as in Taiwan and support for Russia. Even in those cases it acts very dovish.
    3. In the longer term, America might gain an advantage cause it continues to draw talent from around the globe; meanwhile China is aging very fast.

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  188. @Ron Unz

    There a a few things ambassador Freeman is a bit off on here. The current supply chain interconnectedness between China and the USA is not the result of a “comparative advantage” fantasy from economics textbooks but rather the outcome of deliberate political and economic centralization in the USA. This centralization enabled the rise of transnational corporations and mega-finance firms that consolidated markets and designed production and distribution networks based on their own needs, creating a planetary division of labor. These firms, empowered by the USA’s de-democratized political economy, planned global supply chains to maximize profits, often at the expense of national and regional economic self-sufficiency and resilience, and to the detriment of scientific and engineering research ecosystems, local economic activity, economic competition, and arts and culture all across America, and likely across the world as well since it greatly inhibited the development of the so-called “Global South”..

    In direct contrast to the “Neoliberal Era” we live now, the USA’s Old Republic was protectionist without being mercantilist or corporatist. It generated economic development through political and economic decentralization, allowing regional diversity and democratic governance structures to shape policies. Protectionism in this system aimed to use deliberate redundancy and diffusion of economic activity to safeguard local economies, encourage domestic production, create and maintain a great number of more diversified scientific and engineering ecosystems, and prevent monopolistic concentrations of power. The decentralized nature of governance made it so that economic decisions were the product local priorities and interests, resulting in a competitive and diversified economy.

    Undoing the current global system and replacing it with cooperative protectionism, where nations retain the ability to protect key industries while coordinating to avoid exploitative trade practices, can restore economic and scientific redundancy. This redundancy, through localized innovation and diverse production systems, ensures resilience against supply chain disruptions and enables widespread economic opportunity. By re-embedding economies within democratic structures and prioritizing regional development, such a system could balance global trade integration with the autonomy necessary for economic growth, scientific progress and more widespread opportunity.

  189. JM says:
    @Brad Anbro

    That’s pretty much the same in all the European based nations.

    This is no aberration, nor logical evolution; it was engineered.

    And it isn’t delivering. For a large and increasing proportion of the people, jobs, where they are available as full jobs (vs under-employment), are low level and insecure, real wages are in decline, the social capital stock has severely eroded. In this state of stagnancy, the ‘immigrant’ flood compounds the problem.

    There will be a mass turn towards political-economic solutions. If patriots don’t respond with appropriate and creative revolutionary solutions, they will be left in the dust.

  190. @HuMungus

    Nope! I accepted your statement that you are from Singapore.

    Ahhhh now you remember. Your memory is perhaps better than a goldfish.

    Maybe you will remember that not everyone who corrects your silly accusation against China is a silly Commie Chink.

    In fact public opinion in Southeast Asia has already turned against the USA. More people would choose China over USA.

    Already VIETNAM, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia are part of BRICS. Together they alone are already 500 million people.

    Additionally Laos and Cambodia are firmly on China’s side. Myanmar, Brunei and Singapore are near neutral. The only outlier that sometimes swings between China and US is Philippines. But the president of the Philippines is now fighting against a very popular Pro China ex president Duterte. In a couple of years, the Philippines may swing back to being Pro China.

    ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE STUPID PROPAGANDA LIKE THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS THAT YOU LIKE TO POST HERE.

    It seems that believing stupid videos like that is a sign that you are of IQ 70?

    Still doesn’t change the fact that after putting down a Communist uprising, Malaysia put a law on the books which allows for up to 15 years imprisonment for anyone pushing Communist propaganda …. and that this law is still on the books. LOL!!!

    You are an idiot. This law is never applied anymore, because the Malayan Communist Party was defeated decades ago.

    If you think that Malaysia is obsessed with ideology like stupid Americans then look at this Malaysian state TV report on the lavish welcome the Malaysian King received in China a couple of months ago.

    See how Xi Jinping was welcomed in Malaysia by the Malaysian King few years ago.

    Meanwhile in the USA…..

    Yeah, this is what I saw on both coasts of the USA when used to travel there yearly about 10 years back. From what I am told by my friends stateside, the situation is much worse now.

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    , @24th Alabama
  191. Anonymous[385] •�Disclaimer says:
    @BlackFlag

    A good summary.

    B U T:

    1) Disruptive tech is simply not going to work. The Chinese are EXTREMELY disruptive themselves. EVs, hybrids, solar, wind, 5 and 5.5G, high-speed rail, robotic mega-factories. Yes, we can be equally disruptive as them, and we can find our niche industries. Don’t try to take them head on; that’s a sure way to lose. Find what they’re not doing, and beat them there. MAYBE.

    3) China aging and population falling. Maybe 75 years from now, IF and only if the Chinese do absolutely nothing. From what we’ve seen of China, what do you think the chances are that they’ll stand still or sit on their asses? No way in hell. They’re already promoting marriage and reproduction as we speak, and even have a residency program up and running.

    So, option 1) Disruptive Tech and option 3) Wait for China to stumble, are pretty much non-starters, IMHO.

    ==================================================================

    Which leaves option 2) WAR. It’s probably our ONLY real chance at retaining America’s #1 spot.

    Keep it conventional, leverage the fact that in terms of the military, we devote more of our economy than they do to war-making. It’ll take them time to mobilize that colossal industrial/tech base of theirs (they are in “business/peace” mode, while we are forever in “small-war” mode).

    Meanwhile, while we have the advantage, pummel them so hard they sue for peace. Come up with a flimsy excuse for U.S. aggression, something everybody and his dog knows is pure bullshit (hey, we’ve done it before), and go for it!

    Caveat: America has to WIN FAST, say within 18 months, 2 years at most. Otherwise, the Chinese mobilize and . . . we LOSE. Mathematical certainty. Then what? Nukes?

    __________________________________________________________________

    Uhm, there is an . . . option 4), though. KEEP THE PEACE.

    I don’t mean “Cold War 2.0”. That’s not going to work, period. First of all, China isn’t biting, so we’d just spend ourselves into the ground for zero advantage. Second of all, maybe we shouldn’t try to out build (in terms of armaments) the world’s largest real economy? Just a thought.

    Maybe a Cold Peace is the best strategy for us. We don’t have to join hands with China, just avoid war and live our lives. As in, f*ck retaining that #1 slot. Most of us aren’t the richest, most famous, most powerful people we know, but so what? We are still happy, we find much joy.

    A Cold Peace, nobody getting in each others’ face. Dunno, might work?

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  192. BlackFlag says:
    @Anonymous

    I agree with 1 and 3. You sound reasonable on war as well though though supposedly the US war industry can barely provide enough shells to Ukraine so it seems unlikely that they are sufficiently mobilized to score a knockout punch on China before it gets it mobilizes its own war industry.

    Why not keep he peace? Well, the only time that seems to have happened was during the Cold War due to the nuclear deterrent. Tragedy of great power politics and all. US foreign policy makers seem more reckless this time around, maybe cause they don’t think China’s nuclear arsenal is as deadly as the USSR’s was. Or maybe nobody really cares that much about life anymore. It seems that way given the way we are blithely rushing into AI dev headlong. It seems like old socialists, like Eric Hobsbawm, were ultimately right.

  193. HuMungus says:
    @littlereddot

    Ahhhh now you remember. Your memory is perhaps better than a goldfish.

    Nope! Never forgot! That was your ASSumption!! LOL!!!!

    Maybe you will remember that not everyone who corrects your silly accusation against China is a silly Commie Chink.

    Do YOU deny that YOU are Chinese or that YOU are a Chinese Communist supporter?? LOL!!!!

    In fact public opinion in Southeast Asia has already turned against the USA. More people would choose China over USA.

    Really??? So more Philippinos chose China over the US? I find that hard to believe! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

    Already VIETNAM, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia are part of BRICS.

    No! No they are not!

    BRICS is an intergovernmental organization comprising nine countries – Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates.

    Together they alone are already 500 million people.

    They may be that number, but the fact that Indonesia put is tariffs against Chinese goods shows that they are not part of the China group. So does the CPTPP group recently rejecting Chinese membership … for the 4th time. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Brunei and Malaysia are both members.

    Additionally Laos and Cambodia are firmly on China’s side.

    Ok! I will add two backwaters with African levels of poverty on China’s side!!! LOL!

    Myanmar, Brunei and Singapore are near neutral.

    The US has US Navy docking privileges in Singapore. Does the Chinese Navy?? ROTFLMAO!!!!
    Singapore also buys its military equipment from Western sources. Mostly the US! LOL!!!!!!

    The only outlier that sometimes swings between China and US is Philippines. But the president of the Philippines is now fighting against a very popular Pro China ex president Duterte. In a couple of years, the Philippines may swing back to being Pro China.

    Are you talking about the Philippines president who gave the US something around 8 bases?? versus the washed up has been of an ex-president??? LOL!!! and who also wants the US to base more mid range Typhon missiles in the Philippines?? and even wants to buy some for himself??? LOL!!!!!

    ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE STUPID PROPAGANDA LIKE THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS THAT YOU LIKE TO POST HERE.

    They can see through facts??? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

    Here are a few more to see through!

    That 900 million is out of date and wrong. The actual number for Chinks earning 2,000 yuan or less a month (around $280) from the study was closer to 950 million. The article probably rounded down. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Now considering that around 30 million Chinks have lost their well paying jobs, by Chink standards anyway, that number is much closer to 1,000 million than 900 million. ROTFLMAO!!!!

    Watch out below!!!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

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  194. BlackFlag says:
    @niceland

    To make permanent changes they have to focus on changing the narrative. They have to focus on destroying the information warfare capabilities of the ‘enemy’. I suspect that’s what DOGE is partly about.

    What do you mean by this? I think DOGE is a political project rather than an economic/efficiency one. It’s meant to weaken the deep state which these billionaires view as harmful to America’s supremacy by purging a vast number of its functionaries. The reason I say this is because the cost-savings gained by eliminating swathes of the administration are miniscule. And even if it they massively non-obligation social spending (e.g. food stamps), you don’t save that much.

    So unless they govt wants to simply break its obligations (effectively default), there isn’t much to be saved.

    Mandatory ($3.5T):
    . Social Security: $1.4T
    . Medicare: $1.3T
    . Medicaid: $592B
    . Federal/veteran benefits: $200B
    Debt Service ($475B)
    Military ($858B) – too hard to cut, especially given increasing frictions with China.

    TOTAL CANNOT BE CUT: $4.833T
    Admin Costs of Untouchables: $23.4B (negligible)
    So of the total $5.675T budget 85% is untouchable.
    At VERY BEST, they could save 15 % which would by significant but would not solve the debt problem.

    By the way, in the 80s, another private thinktank headed by a bigshot CEO was created to eliminate govt waste and it totally failed.

  195. Anon[387] •�Disclaimer says:

    This man is a massive idiot. Boomer liberal idiocy. How absurd to hear him complain about “America First” and mercantilism, and tout China and “free trade” with China and the beautiful International Order, when in reality, China is pulling every string they possible can to be a modernized version of a mercantilist country that puts “China First.” They are fully willing to ENTIRELY BAN internet technologies from the United States to incubate their own industries, to use massive tariffs to get ahead in EV manufacturing and Green Technology, and to use IP theft to copy any other software developed in the United States. Ever wondered why nobody in China uses Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, Google, Paypal, Amazon, or any other technology that is otherwise globally-dominant? Because they banned them to incubate WeChat and Baidu.

    The real folly, in a brutal, unfair, and extremely anti-white racist world like this, is to act as an infinitely charitable and open white person who believes 300-year-old ideas that liberalism is the key that unlocks all kinds of prosperity and genius (spoiler alert: it isn’t. The real key is focused, hard effort). This world will chew you up and spit you out, Chas Freeman!!!!

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  196. @HuMungus

    Nope! Never forgot! That was your ASSumption!! LOL!!!!

    LOL, if you remembered, then it could only be stupidity that would allow you to call me a Commie.

    70 IQ sounds about right for you.

    Do YOU deny that YOU are Chinese or that YOU are a Chinese Communist supporter

    Senator Cotton’s IQ is about 75. So he is still smarter than you. But he ain’t too bright either.

    They may be that number, but the fact that Indonesia put is tariffs against Chinese goods shows that they are not part of the China group. So does the CPTPP group recently rejecting Chinese membership … for the 4th time. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Brunei and Malaysia are both members.

    You are talking out of your ass again. The fact that they are in BRICS shows that they are moving away from the US hegemony.

    It means that YANKEE ATTEMPTS TO MILITARILY ISOLATE CHINA HAS FAILED.

    Ok! I will add two backwaters with African levels of poverty on China’s side!!! LOL!

    Yanks too stupid to understand what this means….it means they have broken out of the US cordon of military bases around China…idiot!

    Your containment policy has failed!!!!!

    Your attempt to stop the rise of China has failed.

    Are you talking about the Philippines president who gave the US something around 8 bases??

    Not giving, re-occupying. The bases come and go, depending on who wins the power struggle.
    The president fights against the vice-president

    They can see through facts?

    Of course they can

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  197. @Anon

    They are fully willing to ENTIRELY BAN internet technologies from the United States to incubate their own industries,

    Do you even know what you are talking about?

    China only insisted that companies within China obey Chinese laws…the same way the US does.

    It was US companies that CHOSE to withdraw from China rather than to comply with Chinese laws.

    The real folly, in a brutal, unfair, and extremely anti-white racist world like this,

    Gosh, you really love to portray yourself as a Victim, don’t you?

    Did you learn your Victimhood from the Blacks, or the Jews?

  198. @迪路

    Bravo, my dear Dilu. I agree completely.

  199. @Peripatetic commenter

    And yet the extremist pacifists stay far from the front line, and perhaps are jailed because of that.
    USer and other militants are often at the front, killing as many humans as they can.
    And your average civilian hopes for business as usual, low taxes, and a quiet but interesting life.

  200. Ed Case says:
    @Anonymous

    Having determined, focussed male energy, but not swayed by that bane of male existence, sexual lust, the idea was that the eunuch would be ‘married to the job’, that is the entire focus of his considerable energy, concentration and determination being on the fulfilment of his allotted task. And, moreover, the eunuch, by definition was incorruptible by means of either sexual or monetary intrigue, and thus his loyalty and devotion was assured.

    Perhaps, but I think you’re reading a lot into it.
    Imo, preventing Civil Service dynasties taking root is more likely.
    It’s a big problem in Australia, likely other countries too.

  201. Ed Case says:
    @littlereddot

    Boats were still going to northern Australia until around 1906.
    An Oral History recorded by the ABC in the 1980s, a very old Aborigine recalled
    some Abo had murdered a Macassan [probably over a woman, I forget the reason],
    the ship returned to Indo, later a fleet of ships spanning the horizon returned to take revenge on that Abo murderer.
    Takeout: don’t upset the Indos; and Abos don’t stick together in tough times.

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  202. oneworld says:
    @OliverPeeples

    Wasn’t that semiconductor factory built by TSMC, a Chinese founded and run company from the Republic of China (aka in the U.S. media as Taiwan), and pressured by the U.S. government to set up a factory in Arizona?

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  203. Anonymous[118] •�Disclaimer says:

    China is on course for a $1 trillion trade surplus this year.

    Ergo, there must be an awful lot of billionaires and multi millionaires in China.

  204. antibeast says:
    @Bankotsu

    Mearsheimer presents China as the same as a Western country that will wage aggressive war to maintain hegemony. Anglin presents China as a non warlike country completely different from the West and is mostly interested in trade and business.

    The Western Liberals have alleged the “expansionist”, “belligerent”, “aggressive” motives of Xi’s China in its assertive foreign policy. Mearsheimer criticized the Western Liberal view that Xi’s China was driven by its Communist authoritarian ideology as implemented by Xi’s autocratic leadership. Instead, Mearsheimer believes that Xi’s China wants to dominate Asia, militarily, politically, economically and culturally as a historical reaction to its so-called “Century of Humiliation.” This was Mearsheimer’s version of the Realpolitik School of Geopolitical Realism as opposed to the Western Liberal School of the Democratic Capitalism. He compared China with the USA when the latter was expanding its territory and industrializing its economy during the second half of the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries.

    Anglin is a clown paid to misinform and disinform the Alt-Right crowd in the West.

  205. Anonymous[365] •�Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Mearsheimer doesn’t know what the fuck he is talking about. Anglin ironically has better insight than Mearsheimer.

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  206. HuMungus says:
    @littlereddot

    So! Once more! Do YOU deny that YOU are Chinese or that YOU are a Chinese Communist supporter??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You are talking out of your ass again. The fact that they are in BRICS shows that they are moving away from the US hegemony.

    Repeating since you are so slow! They are not in BRICS!

    BRICS is an intergovernmental organization comprising nine countries – Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates.

    Yanks too stupid to understand what this means….it means they have broken out of the US cordon of military bases around China…idiot!

    So how many military bases does China have in Laos and Cambodia??? None??? Thought so!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

    Not giving, re-occupying. The bases come and go, depending on who wins the power struggle. The president fights against the vice-president

    OOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Sarah Duterte???? Who be dat dog????? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and

    weh be da beef????

  207. @HuMungus

    This VICIOUS, hate-crazed, racist thug relies on the lowest Sinophobe lies, doesn’t it. Meanwhile the PRC gets on with the job of leaving insane asylums like the USA, full of deranged nonentities like Fungus, far, far, far behind.

  208. @antibeast

    Mearsheimer is just a Western propaganda thug, projecting ‘Western Moral Values’, rooted, as we see in Gaza, in Judaism, ie aggression, destruction, supremacism, racist hatred, bullying intimidation, dominance etc, onto an entirely different civilization that wants harmony within societies and between them. Good versus evil, nothing else.

    •�Replies: @antibeast
  209. @Ed Case

    This sort of moronic and vicious race-hating thug is the type that dominates Austfailia, completely.

    •�Troll: Ed Case
  210. Anonymous[365] •�Disclaimer says:

    Fungus is a fucking pajeet, the most despicable race on earth. My office has a very dark and primitive-looking pajeet. The average IQ of pajeet is 76, almost ten points lower than the Blacks.

    •�Agree: littlereddot
    •�Replies: @Deep Thought
  211. @HuMungus

    So! Once more! Do YOU deny that YOU are Chinese or that YOU are a Chinese Communist supporter??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Since you are too stupid to understand, Yes and Yes.

    Now that I have answered you directly…since you claim to be White, tell me what your ancestry is. Are you Anglo, Italian, Spanish, Russian etc extraction? Otherwise, I smell a distinct scent of wobbling head Indian on you.

    Repeating since you are so slow! They are not in BRICS!

    You do know that resorting to pedantry is a sign of desperation right? If you really do want to be pendantic, then they are in a junior status waiting for full membership.

    NOT because of hesitancy on their part, but only because the original members are taking it slow in order to cross their Ts and dot their Is.

    So how many military bases does China have in Laos and Cambodia??? None??? Thought so!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

    Huh???
    What does military bases have to do with breaking out of Yankee cordon?

    It is seaports and railway lines that matter. What do you think the whole Belt and Road was about? It was to avoid being strangled by the Yankee bullies.


    https://www.indy100.com/news/map-of-nations-question-which-country-largest-threat-world-peace-donald-trump-7590086

    •�Replies: @HuMungus
  212. @Anonymous

    Fungus is a fucking pajeet

    I also have this suspicion but not 100% certain.

  213. antibeast says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    To be fair to Mearsheimer, he claims that it’s the USA which seeks to prevent the rise of “peer competitors” in order to maintain its global hegemony. He cites the Monroe Doctrine which the Anglo-Americans had adopted during the early 19th century after the War of 1812 in order to prevent European Powers from interfering in the affairs of the Americas as an example of his geopolitical theory of “offensive realism”.

    Here’s a lecture by Mearsheimer on the rise of China:

  214. @oneworld

    Yes and they did most of the staffing in the U.S.

    The U.S. is going to have to learn how to build stuff again. This horrifies free traders who will whine about the (((coooooooooosts))) of rebuilding a prosperous middle class. We have generations of Americans now who are verbalists and can plan, design and build nothing sophisticated.

    This insistence on creating an “educated” class whose only skill is word games and the production of verbiage is a sign that your so-called elite have been thoroughly Judaized. Our college graduates are as useless as the products of rabbinical schools and just as destructive.

  215. HuMungus says:
    @littlereddot

    Since you are too stupid to understand, Yes and Yes.

    Not that I believe you, like I also don’t believe that Tic Toc president, but I hope that you realize that by dismissing the option that you are a Southeast Asian yellow, that only leaves the option that you are a South East Asian brown!

    For shame! Disin your fellow South East Asia Indian browns! Do you even realize that they are your fellow South East Asian browns and therefore your brothers?? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You do know that resorting to pedantry is a sign of desperation right? If you really do want to be pendantic, then they are in a junior status waiting for full membership.

    Nope! They are looking to see of they can get any Chink money for doing nothing! Some XIt stain was recently overly generous to Black Africans and these countries want to get in for the free bread!!!! LOL!

    What does military bases have to do with breaking out of Yankee cordon?

    Ahem! If you don’t have military bases outside the Yankee cordon, you can”t claim to have broken out of the Yankee cordon! Simple really! But seems to be a bit over your head. I’m actually considering that you are in fact a South East Asian brown with that comment. LOL!!!!!

    It is seaports and railway lines that matter. What do you think the whole Belt and Road was about? It was to avoid being strangled by the Yankee bullies.

    The whole Belt and Road is a scam to employ Chinks. The Chinks LOAN money to a country to build a project, and then send Chink workers over to build the project … usually very badly. LOL!!!

    Maybe a few locals get a job and benefit. Maybe!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

    In short: Some retarded dufus gets bribed to take on a Chink loan, for the purpose of employing Chinks, with his country ending up stuck with the bill for employing those Chinks

    If you disagree then name one BRI that has been completed on time, within budget, using local labor and is profitable. Just one! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  216. d dan says:
    @antibeast

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Do yourself a favor: have some dignity and self-respect than regurgitating the spew of vomit from that top political piece of SHIT, … err… so-called “political scientist”.

  217. @Kevin Barrett

    It’s safe to assume that any intelligent person with their head anywhere except up their ass, know that 9/11 was a false flag event, while also understanding that most keep quiet about it for social and political reasons.

    Same applies for the holocaust.

  218. @Ron Unz

    But in per capita terms, something like 3x to 4x as many Americans died, giving us about the highest death rate in the developed world,

    That’s because the US has the worst, and by far, the most expensive health care system in the developed world.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/us-health-care-ranking-report-last-rcna171652

  219. @HuMungus

    Not that I believe you, like I also don’t believe that Tic Toc president, but I hope that you realize that by dismissing the option that you are a Southeast Asian yellow, that only leaves the option that you are a South East Asian brown!

    You are way too simplistic Bhai.

    When one’s mind is unable to handle complexity, one has to reduce to oversimplification.

    Are these ladies Brown or Yellow?

    Are these kids White, African or Asian?

    The whole Belt and Road is a scam to employ Chinks.

    They employ a miniscule number of 1.4 Billion.

    The real reason is to pre-emptively break out of the Yank stranglehold which they knew would come.

    Ahem! If you don’t have military bases outside the Yankee cordon, you can”t claim to have broken out of the Yankee cordon!

    Huh? What logic is this?

    The only way the US can stop goods reaching China through Cambodia, is to stop trade reaching Cambodia. Then they would have effectively blockaded Cambodia itself and made Cambodia an enemy. Further this would raise the ire of the other ASEAN nations who would lean even further towards China.

    You should close your mouth during the cowshit fights. You have been ingesting too much and it is affecting your brain.

    build a project, and then send Chink workers over to build the project … usually very badly.

    Well the recipients seem to be very happy with their BRI projects. They even want to extend them.

    Indonesia loves their high speed rail and wants more
    https://asianews.network/indonesia-seeks-chinas-support-to-extend-first-high-speed-railway-to-surabaya/

    Kenya loves their new railway and wants more
    https://kenyanwallstreet.com/kenya-to-spend-ksh-648bn-to-extend-standard-gauge-railway/

    Malaysia loves their railway and wants to extend to Thailand
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/malaysia-open-extending-china-led-rail-project-thai-border-2024-03-28/

    Maybe a few locals get a job and benefit. Maybe!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kenyans get training and are ready to run their rail system

    Meanwhile, in India

  220. HuMungus says:

    https://www.barrons.com/news/key-issues-surrounding-china-s-belt-and-road-project-64f3dd62

    Residents of BRI nations have also complained that the majority of jobs at infrastructure projects are being done by Chinese workers who send their wages home rather than spend them in local businesses.

    So host nation takes out a Chink loan to employ Chink workers … who tend to get stiffed on their pay! Usually bribery is involved as none of the BRI projects are economically viable, and serve as a drag on the host countries future.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-labor-belt-road-covid/2021/04/30/f110e8de-9cd4-11eb-b2f5-7d2f0182750d_story.html

    New York-based China Labor Watch asserts in a new report that overseas Chinese workers are victims of human trafficking and forced labor. Workers described being held against their will, forced to work while infected with the coronavirus and deceived into working illegally. Their passports were seized, they said, and most had gone months without pay. Some said they were beaten for protesting conditions or forced into “thought training.”

    “The entire Belt and Road initiative is based on forced labor,” said Li Qiang, director of China Labor Watch, whose report was drawn from interviews with workers in six countries.

    https://www.bnamericas.com/en/news/ecuador-and-china-talking-over-reception-of-faulty-coca-codo-sinclair-hydro

    Published: Thursday, May 04, 2023

    The Ecuadoran government and Chinese contractor Sinohydro are still negotiating a solution to the problems that have prevented the official reception of the Coca Codo Sinclair hydroelectric plant, even though it began operating in 2016.

    •�LOL: littlereddot
  221. @Bankotsu

    True – but history has shown you can only push China so far before China is indeed willing to fight

  222. @Dr. Acula

    China is a very crowded country. It is also an urbanizing country. China is below first world standards in urbanization and education. Japan already was. So while China’s overall population slowly falls – it becomes more urban and more educated at the same time.

  223. @Dr. Acula

    No one knows the future, but here are a few points that you can consider:

    1. China’s current retirement age is only 60 for men and 55 for women. yet her life expectancy is 77.9, slightly lower than the USA at 79.3. They are now gradually increasing the retirement age and it will free up more workers.

    2. USA has 1.7% of its population employed in agriculture. Yet it is self sufficient in food production.
    China has 17.5% of its population employed in agriculture. When it does reach the same level as the USA, 16% of the population will be freed up.

    3. A large population in the past was necessary because of manual agriculture and manufacturing. We live in a time of increasing automation and robotics. Indeed there are fears that “robots will take all the jobs”. In such a situation, is a large population really an advantage?

    4. China does not shy away from drastic action when it is a national priority. From 1949 to 1979 under Mao, China’s population almost doubled from 540 to 970 million because he emphasized national strength. After Deng took over in 1979, there was change in direction and the infamous One Child Policy was introduced. This ended in 2015.

    If China is no stranger to drastic actions such as these, and if the present government feels that it is a national priority, what is to stop them from declaring “Having two or more children is a patriotic deed. Every third child born shall be rewarded with generous grants for the raising and education of the child, and generous pensions grants for the parents and grandparents.”.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
    , @showmethereal
  224. eah says:

    There is a report today in German alternative media claiming Freeman thinks the US is responsible for taking out Nordstream:

    US-Top-Diplomat: ‘Die USA haben Nord Stream gesprengt!’

    The text refers to an article in a German newspaper (Berliner Zeitung) that’s supposedly behind a paywall, but can be read here:

    US-Diplomat Chas Freeman: ‘Wir verkaufen Deutschland Gas, das vier- bis fünfmal teurer ist als russisches’

    The headline is ‘We’re selling Germany natural gas that’s 4x-5x more expensive than natural gas from Russia.’

    In response to a question about a US offer to buy Nordstream, and whether the US and Russia can reach an agreement about supplying natural gas to Europe in the future, Freeman says ‘Why should we? I assume the US blew up Nordstream … I see no other plausible explanation.’

    Warum sollten wir? Ich gehe davon aus, dass die USA Nord Stream gesprengt haben. Bis auf die Geschichten, die von verschiedenen Geheimdiensten in die Welt gesetzt werden, sehe ich keine plausible andere Erklärung.

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  225. @ariadna

    Good points. Of course the thousands of Uighur militants in Syria are homeless. They just put out a propaganda video that they will be bringing the war to China next. Of course slickly produced it probably had some help from the U.S. State Department. Of course China had been preparing for this for decades. Casual security in Xinjiang is serious business (video below). So one can only guess what they have behind the scenes (we do know the ethnic Tajiks main job is patrolling the border – but not displayed in the video).

  226. @Peripatetic commenter

    Yes and all nations will automate more and more. Guess who are the top countries for robots now. Japan and Germany – with China hot on their heels. One would also find it interesting to note that China’s manufacturing has a higher robot density than U.S. manufacturing. But as usual politicians are 20 to 30 years off in their information … thats why their decisions are nonsensical

  227. Anonymous[365] •�Disclaimer says:
    @littlereddot

    From 1949 to 1979 under Mao, China’s population almost doubled from 540 to 970 million because he emphasized national strength. After Deng took over in 1979, there was change in direction and the infamous One Child Policy was introduced.

    Mao was a national disaster for China. The mother fucking piece of shit gave away Chinese land left and right, not to mention many of the disgusting things he did during his rule. By the way, do you know why the Communists were able to seize power in 1949? This is because the PRC not only started as a puppet state of the Soviet Union, but it also colluded with Japan during WWII. The population ballooned because he encouraged people to have many children for ideological reasons rather than for national strength. Deng’s one-child policy was needed because Deng inherited a country poorer than Haiti, but with a large population.

    You should confine yourself to talking about present-day China, which you are mostly correct, and not talk about a period of China in which you have no idea and are completely clueless.

  228. @eah

    When the current geopolitical dust settles. The folks that will hate the USA the most won’t be the Russians or Iranians or Chinese.

    It will be the Europeans. They put their trust in the US and considered them friends and allies, only to be deceived with sugar coated words, then stabbed in the back and serially raped while bleeding out on the ground.

  229. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    I didn’t say that I agree with Mearsheimer who tries to fit his “theory” onto geopolitical events, rather than the other way around. Anyway, here’s a video rebutting his “theory “ that China would follow the example of the USA:

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  230. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Actually American companies invested very little in China. They gave contracts to 3rd party manufacturers or were in joint ventures (limited capital put up) . That’s why it was so profitable for US companies to offshore to China. Apple for instance puts very little money in China at all. It just subcontracts. That is how Apple reaps such hefty profits

  231. @Kurt Knispel

    I find it hard to understand people’s fascination with “15 minute cities”. For most of human history when people left rural areas to move to cities – they did so precisely so that everything they needed was within very close proximity to them. That lasted until last century or so when humans got trains and cars. And even after trains it was still mostly cars. Even after the Industrial age… Factory workers in cities lived in close proximity to the factory. Same with dockworkers. Your doctor was close…. Your local neighborhood store carried everything you could think of…. So I don’t under conspiracy theory for humans to realize the sprawl of the automobile is not sustainable

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  232. @emil nikola richard

    Hong Kong had that under the British. In fact the Mainland authorities just caught a guy and sent him back to Hong Kong who was involved in a Hong Kong triad who set fire to a karaoke bar and killed over a dozen people back in the 90’s. True story (see below). Now – Hong Kong is one of the safest cities in the world …. In the early 20th century Shanghai was like that (before the communist revolution)

    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1781467-20241129.htm

    •�Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  233. @mulga mumblebrain

    Actually it wasn’t to run from those animals. There still tribes in East Africa for whom they still hunt down wild animals that you noted. In fact it is a right of passage for males to be able to kill a predator. Stalking and tracking and chasing them …. But yeah you are closer to the truth than the psycho Humun…

  234. @OliverPeeples

    Where do you get this idea that the TSMC factory in Arizona is doing well??? They couldn’t even finish it on time. They had to force workers from Taiwan to go work there because there wasn’t enough talent in the U.S. to run it

  235. @littlereddot

    Mostly agree. But China already passed the U.S. in life expectancy

    •�Thanks: littlereddot
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  236. @antibeast

    Mearsheimer would benefit alot from studying Chinese history.

    I think he may be close to that point tho. He goes to China alot, and has acknowledged that he gets a better reception in China than he does the US.

    Sooner or later his curiousity will make him look up China’s history and he will realise that the Chinese attitude towards the outside world is totally different from the West.

    •�Replies: @antibeast
  237. @showmethereal

    I find it hard to understand people’s fascination with “15 minute cities”.

    When one has invested so much in cars and car culture, it is difficult to admit that walking to the mall or restaurant is preferable to driving there.

    I doubt if this guy would be saying the same things if he actually experienced the joys of living in a Walkable City.

    This guy is quite funny.

    •�Replies: @showmethereal
  238. @showmethereal

    Thanks for correcting me, I must be drawing from old data.

  239. @littlereddot

    Yeah apparently there is some conspiracy because the term was mentioned at the World Economic Forum. Weird really. I guess kind of like they think people don’t own their apartments in other parts of the world and only rent

    •�Agree: littlereddot
  240. antibeast says:
    @littlereddot

    Mearsheimer would benefit a lot from studying Chinese history.

    Agree. But Mearsheimer would also benefit a lot from studying European and Asian history which he ignores in favor of his “theory” of geopolitics based on his analysis of US history. He cites the 19th century Monroe Doctrine to prove his geopolitical theory which he calls “offensive realism” to explain US imperialism in Latin America.

    However, when Mearsheimer tries to apply his “theory” to WWI and WWII, he fails to consider the difference between both Europe and Asia during the world wars vis-a-vis US imperialism in Latin America since the 19th century. According to his geopolitical theory of “offensive realism”, Mearsheimer claims that the USA entered WWI and WWII in order to prevent the rise of “peer competitors” in both Europe and Asia which is the same rationale used to justify US imperialism in Latin America. Quite the contrary, the USA did not try to prevent but instead aided and abetted the rise of both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan prior to WWII. That the USA at the time was quite isolationist as signified by the popularity of the “America First” movement disproves Mearsheimer’s “theory” which relegates it to a mere hypothesis. The only reason why the USA entered both world wars was due to the influence of the British and Jewish lobby in the case of WWI and the Chinese lobby in the case of WWII. As a matter of historical fact, the Chinese lobby led by Chiang’s US-educated wife had to literally beg and bribe US officials to stop supplying oil and war materials to Imperial Japan which later attacked Pearl Harbor due to the US oil embargo.

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
    , @showmethereal
  241. @antibeast

    Thanks, much food for thought.

  242. TrueIrish says:
    @Ron Unz

    We have to move beyond the destructive mindset that war and the national “war on . . . “ campaigns against competitors are ultimately unproductive. Consider the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on Ukraine and the Mid East for bombs and aid. If we spent that here with infrastructure improvements, R & D, higher education, efficient industry, we would be able to compete. Instead we seek to destroy. We should learn from and adapt.

    It is almost as if they are trying to destroy the US through the irrational policies.

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  243. @antibeast

    Indeed Madam Soong was quite the charmer. I believe they owned a residence in the Riverdale section of the The Bronx NYC (an area of diplomats). She indeed charmed the US to get them to stop supplying Japan. Partly by promising to Christianize China

  244. @Peripatetic commenter

    China is thousands of years old. So the idea that China wasn’t martial doesn’t add up. You pointed out the Mongols and the Jurchen. They didn’t get up one day and invade China. These things were attempted for centuries. When China was strong nobody took her over. When she got lazy and corrupt those two groups did. Same as when the Brits came knocking – and then the 8 nation alliance. But China has had more blood spilled on its land than any other when you look at all the wars fought. Tibet used to try to take over China too. China had always fought. Not sure why preferring trade is portrayed otherwise

    •�Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  245. @TrueIrish

    We have to move beyond the destructive mindset that war and the national “war on . . . “

    You hit the nail on the head.

    I don’t think Americans realise how their minds are being messed with to think in terms of war and the military.

    As you have mentioned, national action plans are always framed in terms of war. War on Drugs. War on Terror. War on Poverty….

    Here is another lifelong indoctrination feature that Americans do not notice….reverance for the military.

    Whenever one meets a guy who has served in the military, the obligatory response to him is “Thank you for your service”. I have never encountered this anywhere else in the world.

    Also that servicemen in uniform are given priority and privileges such as airplane flights etc.

    How about the common appearance of the military in sporting events.

    The American considers this all normal. But to non-Americans this all raises eyebrows. We notice that the US seems to revere its military more than any other place.

    IMHO, it is all intentional.

  246. @littlereddot

    I once read that Benjamin Franklin did not want the eagle to be the symbol of the new nation because of the characteristics of an eagle. I believe the history said he said a different bird. Might have been a turkey. But yeah eagles are violent birds and like to steal prey and nests of others (especially ospreys).

    •�Replies: @littlereddot
  247. @littlereddot

    Yanks are dumb, ignorant and brainwashed, just as their Masters like it. They are so fucking thick that they think that the Chinese still pull rickshaws, and attacking China will be another ‘turkey-shoot’. I almost wish they would, so that they finally get their long overdue comeuppance.

  248. @showmethereal

    The Yankee ruling class are pseudo-Judaic and run by the Jewintern. Hence unhinged aggression, destructiveness and blood-lust are givens. The Chinese will never attack the USA, but Yankee blood-thirst and self-delusion are rising to hysterical levels.

  249. @showmethereal

    I love the story of how, after the Communist victory, Marshall Chen Yi, a tough old cookie, was made Mayor of Shanghai. He called the Triad bosses in, and assured them that it would be ‘business as usual’. They left happy.
    Meanwhile, his intelligence chaps, gathered information on the Triads, then, one fine night-kapow, boff, whacko. Unsentimental old chap, he was.

    •�Replies: @showmethereal
  250. @showmethereal

    But yeah eagles are violent birds and like to steal prey and nests of others

    True that!

    I also find it significant that they chose a modified version of the British East India Company to be their national flag.

    Flags are usually chosen to represent lofty ideals and aspirations. What aspirations does the East India Company inspire?
    Greed? Domination? Violence?

    •�Thanks: showmethereal
  251. @littlereddot

    WARNING: Any additional, defamatory comments
    about goldfish will be trashed.

    •�LOL: littlereddot
  252. @mulga mumblebrain

    A lot of the Shanghai gangsters fled to Hong Kong and Taiwan once the communists victory was more clear.

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