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  1. Luigi Mangione, the suspect arrested for the UnitedHealthcare assassination, is a throwback to turn-of-the-last-century anarchists. All that’s missing is a Screamin’ Sicilian frozen pizza novelty mustache.

  2. Thomm says:

    I am delighted that Jack D has joined the campaign to update the definitions of certain words to modern realities.

    See the following comments by Jack D :

    The third wave, which is where the Men of Unz are stuck, is that the Southerners dindu nuthin (WNs are a form of wigger).

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/deconciliation/#comment-6320862

    The Men of Unz are really wiggers in that regard.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/oak-park-vs-austin/#comment-6805502

    This is why I say that WNs are wiggers.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/my-new-column-on-the-jewish-donors-strike-in-the-ivy-league/#comment-6314847

    Of course, I was saying this, and using the correct definition of the term, many years before Jack D, so he is late to get on the train, and is just adopting what I invented. But it is good that he has joined the cause, which increases awareness of the correct, new definition of this word and others.

    Remember that I wrote two songs years ago to strengthen the cultural depth of this meme :

    i) “Little Shop of Wiggers”
    ii) “The Marriage of Wigger-O”


    Video Link

    •�Troll: mark green
  3. Luigi Mangione looks like Steve’s kind of guy:

    Maybe he should have started a leather book publishing company instead of choosing to assassinate assholes.

    Can he dunk?

  4. George says:

    Yacht rocker Daryl “Captain & Tennille” Dragon (1942-2019) might have been able to pull of that album cover.

  5. What are you talking about, doesn’t exist?

    That’s Doc Severinsen.

  6. time for a million people to get Penn and Penn State confused yet again. been a while, we were due.

    Italian genotype confirmed, couldn’t avoid flirting with the wait staff before making his hit. a bit sloppy in execution.

    arrest details still kinda fishy tho. he had ALL the evidence WITH him, days later? fitness guy eating at a McDonald’s?

    Steve’s 50,000 person NYPD missed him.

    •�Replies: @anonymous
    , @onetwothree
    , @Hail
  7. according to what i’m reading, a pale person in the US has like a 50% chance now of being identified just by DNA if at least a 3rd cousin is in the database somewhere.

    Democrats will be working on reducing that rate of course. suddenly, Muh Privacy.

    •�Replies: @Almost Missouri
  8. Ironic, that your 150k subscribers was made possible by people who have the opposite worldview you do (Elon, Tucker, etc).

    When the Fading Establishment you prefer was in control, they throttled you.

  9. Steve will die rich, mark my words. And he’ll use the money modestly, because for all his Americanness, Steve is a German-(perhaps)Scandinavian, without philistinism sometimes associated with this “race” & blessed with the largeness of mind.

  10. Luigi Mangione’s grandfather was a developer pal of Pelosi’s father. Whatdya know.

    •�Thanks: kaganovitch, bomag
  11. Going with the 70’s and its specifically for the yacht rock genre…


    Video Link

  12. Gallatin says:

    Mangione.
    That name rings a bell. Actually it blows a trumpet. 1978…….”Feels So Good”.*

    Santa, I want a time machine this Christmas so I can go back to the ‘Good Old Days’ [TM].

    *Mangione’s “Feels So Good” and Herb Albert’s “Rise” were both big hits in the late 1970’s and got much airplay on pop and adult contemporary radio. This nation had much better tastes back then.

    •�Agree: VinnyVette
  13. Steve probably thinking of Chuck Mangione, a musician (trumpet player and composer) known for light jazz.

    Not clear at this point if the suspected assassin is a relative of the musician. Mangione is a common Italian surname.

    The shooter is apparently a student of the Unabomber. Apparently a super bright kid, who possibly went nuts later on. Drug influence maybe?

    As usual, those who knew the suspect have said that he always seemed 100% normal.

  14. @Jonathan Mason

    Apparently from a prominent family in the Baltimore area. I think his grandfather owns a controlling interest in a country club (Turf Valley in Howard County), and another relative is in the State legislature. He himself was valedictorian at Gilman School Class of 2016. Gilman is probably the best private school in the Baltimore area. This guy is smart and capable. Graduated with a degree in computer science and was working as a data engineer in northern California.

    The only question now is whether the Feds or the State of New York will charge him. It matters because the Feds have the death penalty.

    •�Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @EdwardM
  15. William Kirk discusses Michigan SM 1134, a bill, which if enacted in to law, would ban colored firearms. But other parts of the bill suggests that this law will ban much, much more.

    Video Link

    William Kirk discusses the recent response brief filed by the plaintiffs in the Snope v. Brown MD assault weapon ban which points out the complete distortion of otherwise clear rules of law, which has taken place in the lowers courts.

    Video Link

    The Supreme Court denied cert in the Spirit of Aloha case.

    Video Link

  16. People love to hate on them big bad insurance companies–premiums, fine print, claims. But AFAICT they do exactly what you’d expect–try and keep premiums > costs+claims.

    The plain fact is someone is going to ration you. You get this much, but not that. Not clear to me there’s some big win having that be one big government bureaucracy as opposed to a bunch of competing insurance bureaucracies. You hear from Britain all the complaints about the NHS. From Canada about people having to go down to the US to get their surgery in a decent timeframe–or at all.

    My Medicare Advantage provider at least seems to be able to deliver a bit more–some dental, silver-sneakers–for less, with a decent giveback. There are, of course, limits, but overall seems like they think they can deliver more coverage for less than the Medicare allotment amount.

    I do think this is all arguable. And personally, I just can’t get very excited about it. I can live with insurance companies. I could happily live with a government run “AmeriMed”–in a cohesive, “we’re all in this together” nation.

    Our “elites” are literally destroying the American nation, trashing the American Dream, making war on the American people and our posterity with their toxic minoritarian nonsense and immigration insanity. And some guy is all hot and bothered by … medical insurance. LOL. Talk about blindness.

    Anyway, if you really do not want to have your care rationed by anyone–private insurer or the government–there is one way you can do it and get all the medical care you want:

    [MORE]

    … be rich.

  17. @deep anonymous

    So not obviously a loser. Rather this Luigi guy is smart and apparently worked out to get fit. Could presumably find himself a quality gal, have a family and a really nice life.

    Seems like just another–extreme–case of the “smart people can convince themselves of anything”. Which we see in spades across our elites.

  18. anonymous[283] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You noticed, too?

  19. Anonymous[360] •�Disclaimer says:

    “Luigi Mangione, Sr.”

    How is that funny?

    •�Agree: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @EFG
    , @duncsbaby
  20. Mark G. says:

    The increasing popularity of Steve on Twitter, the recent win by Trump and the acquittal today of Daniel Penny are all signs of increasing resistance to BLM style activism. Large numbers of people are getting tired of the liberal coddling of Blacks and their incessant offering of excuses for Black misbehavior.

    Trump did a little better among Blacks than Republicans normally do but still only got about 13% of the Black vote. Blacks, with their tendency towards high levels of crime and welfare usage, will never be part of a Republican party coalition that represents White middle class and working class interests. It will continue to harm the Democrat party in future elections by being seen as the party overwhelmingly supported by Blacks.

    It would be a mistake by the Republicans to try to push their percentage of the Black vote up by actively pandering to Blacks. If they do so, they will not only lose some of their White voters but also some of the Hispanic and Asian voters who have recently started voting for them.

  21. Once again, communism is proven to be the philosophy of the murderous, amoral 1%.

    Mangione was a rich, handsome, privileged, silver spoon Ivy league kid seduced by communism because he grew up wealthy and had no idea about what earning money entailed, or what blue collar means. He also likely had IQ differences and racial differences ruthlessly waterboarded out of him by his elite institutions and their appendages and replaced with the class-based communism he espoused.

    He, guilt-ridden over his privilege and brainwashed, struck out at people like him who didn’t feel such guilt. SO this in many ways was 1% on 1% violence.

    No proof or evidence the guy he targeted was anything more than a vague political target (think Taxi Driver)– nothing specific the CEO did that was evil, just typical communist rambling complaints.

    Communists: more evil than Nazis. Proven again.

    •�Agree: Prester John
    •�Replies: @Bugg
  22. @AnotherDad

    I could happily live with a government run “AmeriMed”–in a cohesive, “we’re all in this together” nation.

    Go down the list of countries– nations– with “universal healthcare”, and note their demographic profiles at the inception of those programs.

    One list I saw, maybe on Wikipedia, showed the pioneer in this area was Germany, in 1941. Hmm…

    •�Replies: @newrouter
    , @Inspector Grant
  23. @Gallatin

    Mangione. That name rings a bell. Actually it blows a trumpet. 1978…….“Feels So Good”.


    Video Link

    •�Thanks: Gallatin
  24. Anonymous[243] •�Disclaimer says:

    Sure beats the Boston Marathon killer kid.

    Looks like Peter Brady.

  25. Bugg says:

    If somebody has a “manifesto”….

    •�Replies: @MGB
  26. @Jonathan Mason

    It feels so good, indeed, but it is worth noting that ol’ Chuck hasn’t had a hit in 45 years

  27. anonymous[280] •�Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    Nobody’s commented on the $1,700 gun he used? And where was that pic taken, Costa Rica? Must be a rich kid, or else funded by an org.

  28. That took some balls for the McDonald’s employee to call 911 on this guy. Because he doesn’t really look like the guy in the earlier photos. But it sounds like they have the right perp, if their story about what was in his backpack holds up. As for the anarchists calling the McD’s employee a “rat,” let’s remember these are the same people who would have eagerly ratted out a J6 grandmother for standing near the Capitol, or publicly shamed a vaccine refusenik in the summer of 2021. They are absolute rats, if the target is right.

  29. J.Ross says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Preliminary unverified rumor:
    Born to wealth
    Great, smart, hardworking kid
    Valedictorian
    Then he gets injured and the insurance company rejects his claim for dealing with post-surgical treatment (longterm pain?)
    If this is true it predicts for both
    Conventional educated liberal
    And
    Delay Deny Defend
    Also
    If he did really fail to exploit the almost full week of police confusion and then walk in to a freaking McDonald’s then I fully rescind all of my already highly conditional and balanced admiration. This kid pulled off the perfect political agitprop stunt, against a deserving “victim,” refocusing societal attention on the FACT that America does not have a health care system and people are dying and having their lives ruined because of it, and then threw it away out of arrogance.
    Imagine the assassination of Trotsky (which is conveniently also possibly the best movie of a decade of kick-ass movies) being blown open because the Soviet moonchild who kept his silence for years decided to try out Whattaburger.

    •�Replies: @bomag
    , @duncsbaby
  30. newrouter says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “One list I saw, maybe on Wikipedia, showed the pioneer in this area was Germany, in 1941. Hmm… ”

    United Kingdom 1948 Hmm…

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Wade Hampton
  31. J.Ross says:

    OT — Disregard the anti-gun psyop, recall the subway chaos — Hero Penny Vindicated — Pop Culture As Secret History — Check out The Incident, debut of Meshiach of the Jewish people Martin Sheen — GO AHEAD AND BE MAD JEWS, HIS NAME IS SHEEN — Crime on a NYC subway —

    Video Link
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incident_(1967_film)

  32. Mr. Anon says:

    Does anyone who commits murder watch Dateline? They would at least get some pointers about the obvious stuff (like, don’t take your cellphone with you).

    He certainly could have planned it better. Probably shouldn’t have worn the same outfit the whole time he was in NYC. And that one single time he showed his face allowed him to be ID’d. And it was really dumb to keep the gun and the fake IDs.

    Who was he calling on a cellphone just before the murder? Does he have an accomplice? Or was he just checking voicemail?

    •�Replies: @bomag
  33. @prime noticer

    And now he’s headed for the state pen.

    The mask thing probably didn’t matter. I imagine our AI borg overlord has us down to the eyebrows, especially if we have fulsome sexy Guido eyebrows. At least he’ll have his choice of the juicy prison penpal ladies.

    Can the influencers get “jury nullification” across fast enough? Time will tell!

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  34. SafeNow says:


    There has occurred a slide downward, see photo above. New meaning will now attach to “I did it my way.” I am very sorry to see this, because I am old, and have fond memories of the cool, commendable Italian guys in my high school; not to mention the black-eyed Italian girls, mother actually serving me cannoli, while the father…the father I imagined having me killed; of course I realized I was only writing a screenplay in my head, but what a way to go that would have been.

    •�Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  35. @prime noticer

    pale person in the US has like a 50% chance now of being identified just by DNA

    Per Razib, enough American whites are now databased so that ~100% are findable by forensic DNA genealogy.

    Blacks and browns were catching up, partly voluntarily commercially, and partly involuntarily through arrests, evidence sweeps, etc.

    As you say, it came to Establishment attention that non-white perps might soon be as findable as white perps, which of course cannot be allowed, so they implemented police database purges and privacy rules on commercial outfits. Now blacks and browns are maybe only half as findable as whites. Lower probability for recent undocumented arrivals, so illegals can more easily get away with crimes, which has the convenient side effect of making the illegal crime rate appear lower than it is.

    •�Thanks: Renard
  36. Trinity says:

    Cue: Sailing by Rod Stewart

    •�Replies: @VinnyVette
  37. Hail says: •�Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    X profile for the anarchist(ic) health-insurance CEO shooter:

    https://twitter.com/PepMangione
    https://twitter.com/PepMangione

    N.B: The total number of mentions of the word “Sailer” in his tweets is: zero.

    Lots of mentions of Jonathan Haidt, Peter Thiel, Tim Urban, Richard Dawkins, “Andrew D. Huberman, PhD,” and probable-Mossad-asset known as Mike Benz.

    Also a re-tweet or two from Richard Reeves who wrote a book in favor of men’s rights and against the #ToxicMasculinity idea.

    Luigi Mangione was troubled, according to some of his tweets by artificial intelligence and its implications for the eroding of human agency, ideas he says he developed in high school already, around the mid-2010s.

  38. Hail says: •�Website
    @Hail

    Luigi Mangione
    @PepMangione

    Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? It predicts the opposite of what you suggest: the overall dumbing down of humanity with the entire bell curve shifting left due to reproductive dynamics.
    It’s obviously satire, but I’ve always worried that’s the direction we are heading.

    Apr 25, 2024

    99.9K views

    The above was in response to:

    Jash Dholani
    @oldbooksguy

    Apr 24

    Current Era is a mass extinction event for normies. Tradition existed for the average person’s psychic protection and without it they’ll reliably go crazy. In 500 years humanity will be a much more extreme species with the middle of the bell curve completely eradicated

    •�Replies: @Hail
    , @BenKelman
    , @Moshe Def
  39. Hail says: •�Website
    @Hail

    The health-insurance CEO shooter’s most-recent Twitter activity was to step into a discussion on why Kenyans win most marathons and similar ‘HBD’ topics:

    Joshua Rainer
    @JoshRainerGold

    Jun 5[, 2024]

    Approximately 60% of major marathon events in the last 30 years have been won by Kenyan runners from the Kalenjin tribe.

    At only .08% of the world population, this should be impossible.

    Chris Sn*der
    @ChrisSn84413920

    Jun 6

    I think it shows that race is a ridiculous concept and people pretty much reflect geography.

    Humans adapt to their environment and their bodies adjust physically to their specific needs

    After a few more replies like this from ChrisSn84413920 (using the name Chris Sn**er, 1000 followers) and others, the discussion had shifted to a long, content-lite comment on Eskimo adaptation to the Arctic. The health-insurance CEO shooter wrote, in reference to Chris Snyder’s latest argument:

    Luigi Mangione
    @PepMangione

    such blatant chatgpt lmfao
    10:56 AM · Jun 6, 2024

    741.4K views

    This exchange shows, at the least, that the health-insurance CEO shooter was following and reading through the thread, and likely many others like it.

    ChrisSn84413920, if he is a real person) says he regards himself as a “centrist anarchist.”

    Most of all the shooter seems interested in Silicon Valley “techbro” scene.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
  40. @Hail

    Luigi Mangione was troubled

    Indeed. I’ve been flippant in this thread about his situation, but it’s a bad thing when lives go awry.

    •�Replies: @anonymous
  41. anonymous[254] •�Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Instead of “elites”, why not adopt the term Jewish power?

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
  42. @Mark G.

    “will never be part of a Republican party coalition that represents White middle class and working class interests.”

    Hmm, tell me more about this science-fiction Republican party that represents white interests, far away on distant planet Xargrox-C15 in the Jmzdaaa System.

  43. BenKelman says: •�Website
    @Hail

    I completely agree with this picture

  44. BenKelman says: •�Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The advertisement speaks for itself)

  45. And I thought 150K was a pre-anouncing of a fundraiser…

    •�LOL: BB753
  46. @Joe Stalin

    Lol! Blacks are the biggest vigilantes going. Wtf is he talking about. 🤣 They are blasting away every F’in day all over the White Western World. Not just blasting away but stabbing, assaulting, raping, robbing,stealing. Looting , on and on and on.

    •�Agree: Renard
  47. @Hail

    Is there a reason you posted the Twitter address twice?

    •�Replies: @Hail
  48. Bugg says:
    @R.G. Camara

    We still have no idea why Mangione hung around NYC for a week. Nor how and why he had any idea the US Healthcare CEO would be in midtown at that time. There are very few CEOs Americans know-Musk, Tim Cook, Bill Gates, Bob Iger, Jamie Dimon, Pinchar . This guy is very educated and tech savvy, but absent something else, why this guy, why then?

    Observation; the Mangione family almost certainly grew up in the same Baltimore Italian neighborhood as Nancy Pelosi’s family.

    •�Replies: @Bill Jones
  49. bomag says:
    @J.Ross

    Hey, don’t underestimate the power of food.

    Some time back there was one of these guys hiding out in the woods of circa WV. He was caught loading up with junk food at a convenience store.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  50. anonymous[874] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Is this a deliberate attempt to misread Hail’s comment? He didn’t say the kid was “troubled.”

    •�Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  51. Carol says:
    @AnotherDad

    Evidently denial of claims or preauths under the late CEO did increase significantly from under 10% to 21% something like that.

    So it was the ol shareholders > customers dynamic.

    Other than that I tend to agree with you on insurance. Medicare is awesome.

    •�Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  52. Moshe Def says:
    @Hail

    If a billion Chinese think something is right, it is right for China.

  53. Hail says: •�Website
    @Henry's Cat

    Yes, I tried the first as “Twitter dot com” and the second as “X dot com.”

    We learn, this fateful day of Syria Collapse +4, that either Dr. Ronaldinho Tiberius Unz (or an associate thereof) has set “X dot com” to auto-convert to “Twitter dot com.”

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
  54. MGB says:
    @Bugg

    Right, the manifesto. And dog-eared copy of Catcher in the Rye. And autographed photo of Jodi Foster. The political assassin starter kit.

    •�LOL: kaganovitch
  55. EdwardM says:
    @deep anonymous

    How big of a threat is jury nullification? Any difference in a Fed vs. state trial?

    I support jury nullification, though not in this case. (Yes, I afford him the presumption of innocence.)

    The societal impact of this sucks and will be another stimulus in the direction of turning America into a banana republic. There will be more murders like this, cheered on by the deranged left as this one was. There will be even more demonization of corporate America, and perhaps we will see salvos against the insurance industry, as there are lots of articles lately about the use of AI to more efficiently analyze claims and prevent doctor overcharging, for example. (I’m not saying that insurance companies are above reproach, but they’re in a difficult position with the effective nationalization of health care and using “insurance” as basically another income redistribution system as was the theory of Obamacare. But the MSM and grandstanding politicians don’t provide sober analysis, much less rational discussion of the tricky tradeoffs.)

    Your average corporate executive whom no one has heard of will now need an entourage of security. Buy stock in armored car makers and security companies!

  56. Anonymous[121] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Did Mangione read or follow Sailer?

    •�Replies: @Hail
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  57. @Trinity

    Sailing was by Christopher Cross, not Rod Stewart.

    “Cue X song” trope on every comment a little stale bud.

  58. bomag says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Not out of the range of someone doing this for the first time. An individual’s bandwidth is quickly filled with focus and details.

    Also the thrill seeking angle. Carrying evidence around is more juice for the thrill mill.

  59. J.Ross says:
    @anonymous

    Some of them aren’t Jewish, and many, many Jews aren’t elite. Really, that term only works in an extremely different situation like Tsarist Russia, where the Jews are truly alien. The first thing an American afraid of Jewish power would have to confront is that modern American culture is deeply Jewish, so he is too, certainly from the point of view of traditional Christian European culture.

  60. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    And he is right to do so.

  61. As I predicted in an earlier post on this Web site, the Manhattan assassin was nabbed within a few days, having made the fatal mistake of sitting down in a fast food emporium while not having disposed of his false ID documents or his weapon.

    I had also predicted a short list of possible motives including that he was a nutcase.

    Although I have not been able to complete a full history and physical on this gentleman, it appears that he meets the criteria for the DSM V diaggnosis of “batshit crazy NOS.”

    To be more specific, I would suggest a diagnosis of late onset paranoid schizophrenia/tortured genius based on:

    1. Apparently left his job a year ago.
    2. History of being arrested in Hawaii for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    3. Apparently an admirer of the Unabomber.
    3. Walking around carrying a handwritten manifesto of some kind.
    4. Carrying $10,000 in cash on him.

    These items although meager, suggest a history of mental deterioration and socially isolated and erratic and eccentric behavior over the last year. Whether he had been involved with mental health services, or was a client of United Health Care yet remains to be seen.

    He comes from a wealthy family, but where is his home, his car, his girlfriend?

    I would also like to commend the Macdonalds employee who spotted him and called the police. She showed excellent clinical observation skills, and hopefully will get the $50,000 FBI reward and use it to undergo some kind of clinical training where she will be better rewarded.

    •�Thanks: muggles
    •�Replies: @Hail
    , @Bill Jones
  62. @Joe Stalin

    Joe, the CEO assassination will advance gun control exponentially. As I type this, corporate websites are purging photos of executives, corporate hdqs are adding airport level security.

    The elites of the elites never cared about black violence destroying urban neighborhoods, making their own employees, customers and 401k investors live in constant anxiety. They could have used their influence to demand a crack down on black crime, eliminating the majority of gun crime, but they didn’t because it didn’t affect them.

    This kid didn’t stand a chance of getting away with the murder. He will spend the rest of his life in prison (rightly so) while the national average time spent in prison for murder is 15 years. Imagine if the govt/elites had the same determination to solve and punish the perpetrators of the other 20,000 murders per year, we would have livable cities overnight. They could solve 99.99% of violent crime, given the extensive surveillance in our cities and neighborhoods. But a store clerk getting robbed and murdered, too bad so sad.

    Now they are feeling some anxiety and will push through more ineffective gun control. Corporate equity will be raided to provide security and more stock options to compensate the corporate leaders for their increased anxiety, all at the expense of the commoner’s 401ks. Blacks will still have guns, violent criminals will continue to be released in communities to victimize families while at the same time padding the pockets of lawyers, bail bondsmen, pawn shops and worthless government bureaucrats, but law abiding whites will be disarmed.

    •�Disagree: VinnyVette
  63. Hail says: •�Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    All of what you describe, or at getting at, or perceive in this character, is, I think, reducible to the Anarchist archetype. He fit it, he embraced it. The murder of the health-insurance CEO was (obviously?) a political act by an Anarchist terrorist. (The audacity of the act earns it its capital letter.)

    The Anarchist movement, or wildcat acts of self-radicalized anarchists, haunted the political scene in the West between, when, at least the 1880s and 1920s. There was always question of overlap with mainstream leftists, workers-union movements, socialists, social-democrats, doctrinaire-communists, and others. The most morally serious of the socialists hated anarchists as pointless destroyers and often mentally not-altogether there.
    Anarchism was always s a different thing for wanting to to violence to the state as a vanguard to revolution and liberation, in pursuit of an idealized notion of some absolute sovereignty of the individual.

    The Anarchists had considerable phenotype overlap with the Bolsheviks and some other later “communist”-type movements. (In the mid- and late-20th century, hatred of “communism” and “Marxism,” where it existed, was I think more often really hatred of anarchism more than the economic principles espoused by socialist ideologues.)

    The Anarchist archetype popped back up in the late 1960s and 1970s in a serious way, but lost some of its hardened edge, the kind of willingness to use outright terrorism like the Bolsheviks had (or like Israel does today). The “radicals” of the late-1960s and 1970s, of course, somehow steadily over the society, which must have undermined any basis for a sustained anarchist movement. (The takeover happened in no small part for ethnopolitical reasons; it wouldn’t have happened on a fully-NW-European-Christian-based population-stock.)

    Anarchism has been mostly politically inactive for a long time. A nuisance at most; more usually, a lifestyle choice; or even a kind of joke. But the people cheering for the shooter show that there really is a constituency for anarchism; although very few would become cadre members of anarchist bands themselves, the instinct is there.

    •�Replies: @Curle
    , @Mike Tre
    , @bomag
  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @onetwothree

    The mask thing probably didn’t matter. I imagine our AI borg overlord has us down to the eyebrows,

    I remember seeing an article from the deep COVID era about how facial recognition outfits were trying to figure out how to identify a person from just the top half of their face – because, after all, in the “New Normal” people would be wearing masks all the time in perpetuity. Nothing would be permitted to interfere with surveillance – not in the panopticon that our technocratic masters have planned for us.

    Honestly, I have mixed feelings about this event. On the one hand, murder is bad, and this guy shot down a total stranger in the back, a pretty dirty thing to do. On the other hand, there are any number of powerful people (not this particular guy) that, if I woke up and found out that they had gotten their head ventilated the previous day – honestly, all I could manage would be a Jerry Seinfeld like “That’s a shame.”.

    I think maybe one reason that some people have expressed sympathy for this murderer is a vague, instinctive desire to see somebody somewhere get away with something in our highly surveiled, highly digitally connected society – the realization that a society in which you can not get away with a crime is a society that isn’t really free.

    •�Agree: mc23
  65. Hail says: •�Website
    @prime noticer

    Penn

    I understand he was born in 1998 and graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in May 2020.

    Yes, May 2020. His final semester was disrupted, mostly cancelled, by edict of the Corona-Panic of the early 2020s. The Panic was then its cruelest phase: lockdowns, social distancing, and all the unpleasantness and misery.

    Shortly after his commencement ceremony came the George Floyd riots and the anti-White pogrom that began in mid-2020 and continued for quite a while. Being 21 (or 22 by then), the George Floyd riots, breaking 2.5 months of inhumane “lockdowns” must have been absolutely invigorating to such a person, whether or not he supported the movement or not. The lesson was: seize control of destiny by bold political acts, including looting and arsons; anarchistic activity to shout to the world: “I exist!”

    So the Corona-Panic and the Race Panic that followed from it, must have had effects on Luigi Mangione, the health-insurance CEO shooter, who was then in his early twenties. He was 21 when the Corona-Panic began in early 2020. Five years later, he emerged as a comic-book character and kills a CEO in an act of anarchist terrorism.

    He underwent at least two years of major social disruption during the Corona-Panic, including his final semester at college and an endless-seeming period of nothingness and pointlessness (the most important value in human life and endeavor is not transmitting a flu-virus! work from home! don’t meet people! stay inside!). Even by 2023, society was still not quite back together in full. It is said sometime in 2023 he quit his job and “went dark.” His mother reported him missing, and he only resurfaced at that McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania.

    The early 2020s were littered with tragedies, victims of the Corona-Panic, most of whose names were never know. Many of the unlucky ones are today dead from drug-overdoses or the like; and we also see it in the fall in live-births and many other indicators. I wonder if Luigi Mangione ought to be counted among the victims of the destructive powers of the Corona-Panic of the early 2020s.

  66. A Shoshone girl known as Hawk Tuah
    makes whoopee for wampum in Coeur
    d’Alene. But to bribe her,
    you must pay in cyber
    coin, and that alone, for this hooer.

  67. Curle says:
    @Sam Hildebrand

    They could solve 99.99% of violent crime

    They could probably stop 99% of car accident deaths but they don’t. A close friend’s friend was killed by an unregistered driver in a stolen car last year. The killer had outstanding warrants for everything from evading police to stealing cars. What does that tell you?

    •�Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
  68. @Sam Hildebrand

    Good comment, but I would just add that top executives have long had security. This one was apparently walking a NYC sidewalk by himself, but he didn’t have to. Careless.

    The CEO of my father’s company had security over 40 years ago. In 1980 I watched his driver practice evasive maneuvers with the stretch limousine: Slamming on the brakes for a hard stop, then accelerating backwards, then slamming the brakes again and pivoting perfectly around 180 degrees with loud tire squeal, then zooming the other way. It was cool.

    You couldn’t drive into headquarters unless your name was on a list and the guard let you in, 40 years ago.

    These guys live with fences and cameras around their properties, and they have for a long time. They are targets. Maybe not all of them, but the risk is not new for anyone with wealth and a public profile. Add the healthcare mess and anger to the equation, and you see why the guy was a fool to just walk around Manhattan unprotected.

    •�Thanks: Sam Hildebrand
    •�Replies: @Art Deco
  69. Hail says: •�Website
    @J.Ross

    modern American culture is deeply Jewish

    That is debatable. Although it really depends on definitions.

    It’s true Jews are perhaps the most-important single ethnopolitical element in the USA’s main power-centers. Their heavy presence in the Biden admin shows it, for one thing.

    But Middle America has few or no Jews in it. Outside forces engage in a long-run gatekeeping and managing process to manipulate these Middle-America people. It is the management of a distinct population. A lot of the power of the often-hysterical forms of anti-Trumpism you see are actually people thinking “the long-managed and cordon-sanitaire‘d Middle America people out there are off the reservation.”

    In other words, I think the situation in Tsarist Russia and the situation in the USA are not as far off as you do. The question is what the ethnopolitical grouping in question thinks/feels on the same question.

    •�Agree: Bumpkin
    •�Replies: @anonymous
  70. @Hail

    I wonder if Luigi Mangione ought to be counted among the victims of the destructive powers of the Corona-Panic of the early 2020s.

    I dunno. We all lived through it, though perhaps persons who were at a particularly vulnerable stage of their personal and social development were more affected.

    Having done a bit more research, apparently Mangione suffered from chronic back pain as a result of an unspecified injury, and this pain was exacerbated by activities such as rock climbing and surfing while in Hawai’i. After leaving Hawai’i it seems he had surgery on his back and sent a friend images of Xrays showing metal screws in his back.

    I don’t know what to make of that. It is not unknown for people who have chronic backpain to become dependent on narcotic painkillers. Could he have had his drugs cut off by doctors or an insurance payer. Was the surgery successful?

    At least he will get free health care now for the rest of his life, though it may be a bit rough and ready, and there won’t be any handouts of narcotics from the prison medical department. There are many people in prisons with chronic back pain, mostly as a result of having been shot by police.

    As regards anarchists, there are actually plenty of people who believe in smaller government, less government, no government, or some form of anarchy by degrees.

    I’m not a person who really believes in less government.

    I was in Haiti a few days after the major earthquake of 2010 and it was pretty shocking to sees burning bodies smoldering in the streets (people would burn them so they were not eaten by roaming pigs) and to be able to clamber over the rocky remains of the cathedral where many people died without any kind of yellow tape in evidence.

    Yesterday in Haiti, there was a witchhunt and massacre in which 180 elderly people were murdered because a gang leader believed his child (who died) had been made sick by witchcraft.

    I would rather have a government any time.

    •�Replies: @bomag
    , @duncsbaby
  71. @SafeNow

    … the father I imagined having me killed; of course I realized I was only writing a screenplay in my head, but…

    LOL. I love it.

    Similar memory: When I was dating an Italian American woman, we went to Florida and visited her retired parents. They had owned a small pasta factory in Brooklyn where my girlfriend grew up. Of course!

    After our arrival and some pleasantries, her father and I went to the sunporch to talk. After we sat down, his first words, in that same gruff voice you would imagine in a Godfather movie, were…

    “What are you, a Swede?”

    Dinner was of course pasta, and he watched the way I ate it.

    •�Thanks: SafeNow
  72. @Bugg

    You seem to believe, on the basis of no proven facts, that this guy has done something.

  73. prosa123 says:

    Having done a bit more research, apparently Mangione suffered from chronic back pain as a result of an unspecified injury, and this pain was exacerbated by activities such as rock climbing and surfing while in Hawai’i. After leaving Hawai’i it seems he had surgery on his back and sent a friend images of Xrays showing metal screws in his back.
    I don’t know what to make of that. It is not unknown for people who have chronic backpain to become dependent on narcotic painkillers. Could he have had his drugs cut off by doctors or an insurance payer. Was the surgery successful?

    Some years back in my town a white drug addict robbed a pharmacy and ended up fatally shooting four people. His wife was the getaway driver. Her main defense at her trial was that she was nearly out of her mind at the time because of the agonizing pain of a tooth abscess, and drove her husband even though she normally would have rejected the idea. While the defense didn’t work and she got a life sentence, as did her husband, I wonder if there is something to the idea that severe pain can cause a person to snap and do things they otherwise wouldn’t have done. As far as we know at the present Mangione’s withdrawal from mainstream society occurred around the same time as his back went really bad.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  74. possumman says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Shouldn’t they be called Guns of Color??

  75. Trinity says:
    @VinnyVette

    NO, Sailing was Rod Stewart in the 1970s, 1975-1976 before Sailing by Christopher Cross in 1980. Sailing by Rod Stewart is a CLASSIC, rated WAY ABOVE the song by the same name by Christopher Cross.

    I used to go out on the fantail of the old USCG Gallatin ( last I heard the old girl became part of the Nigerian navy) with my 1980s Walkman and play smooth songs that have now been characterized as Yacht Rock (Music.) Often I would drag my mattress out on the fantail and gaze at the stars as the 378 foot cutter drifted over the smooth Caribbean waters. Others soon joined and our Commander, a real prick forbid camping out on the fantail because of safety hazards. Some of my favorite “chill tunes” back then were in no particular order: I would fire up an Arturo Fuente Canones and chill 🥶

    Europa by Santana
    It Keeps You Running by The Doobie Brothers
    Sailing by Rod Stewart
    The First Cut Is The Deepest by Rod Stewart
    What A Fool Believes by The Doobie Brothers
    Voyage To Atlantis by The Isley Brothers
    Summer Madness by Kool And The Gang
    Give It Up by K.C. & The Sunshine Band
    Please Don’t Go by K.C. & The Sunshine Band
    Sharing The Night Together by Dr. Hook
    I’ll Have To Say I Love In A Song by Jim Croce ( I want my Greatest Hits by Jim Croce and Bad Company back, Donna)
    Into The Night by Benny Mardones
    Trinidad by Eddie Money

    Gawd, I could be here forever

    •�Thanks: Curle
  76. @anonymous

    Is this a deliberate attempt to misread Hail’s comment? He didn’t say the kid was “troubled.”

    Hail wrote “Mangione was troubled”, but left out a comma later in the sentence, causing me to miss the “by”. Given Mangione’s alleged actions and writings, both meanings of “troubled” apply—don’t you agree?

  77. @Sam Hildebrand

    Joe, the CEO assassination will advance gun control exponentially.

    Now they are feeling some anxiety and will push through more ineffective gun control.

    So… which is it? Will the gun control be “exponential” or “ineffective”?

    •�Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    , @muggles
  78. Trinity says:

    Bad Time by Grand Funk
    Wait For Me by Hall & Oates
    Smooth Operator by Sade ( probably Dirk Dangler’s theme song)
    Save A Little Room In Your Heart For Me by Eddie Money
    Careless Whisper by George Michael (post Gallatin but chill song)
    She Believes In Me by Kenny Rogers
    Lady Blue by Leon Russell

    Okay, enuff for now. Time to go Drift Away by Dobie Gray

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  79. @Curle

    My 81 year old mother’s house was burglarized while she was a church on a Sunday morning in July. The ring went off and my wife, who also monitors it, called me while I was working about a suspicious person messing with the camera, she called 911 while I hustled to my mom’s house. Deputies and I missed the thugs by 2 minutes. When the deputies saw the footage of the couple (white male and female) they identified them and showed be the guy’s informant id picture.

    10:30 that night, a narcotics deputy called my mom, (she was staying at my house because she was terrified). He started gaslighting my mom telling her the couple were good people and they thought someone who had assaulted a friend of theirs was staying at my mom’s house. They had returned the stolen items (except the ring cameras they had destroyed) and were real sorry. The pos didn’t realize my mom had her phone on speaker. I asked the officer if he had them in custody, he got pissy and finally agreed to arrest them.

    They were charged with two felonies and bond was set at $30,000. The bondsman revoked the bond for non appearance which the judge immediately reduced to $15,000 which they posted. The guy has since been arrested for stealing a chainsaw at a farm building, having stolen credit cards on him when arrested, stealing a handgun from a vehicle and pawning it and possession of meth. He is still out on bond. He has no source of income but has a private attorney. The system keeps this asshole on the street so he can keep robbing people to pay his attorney, bail-bondsman and keep inventory in the pawnshops.

    My recently widowed mom will never recover. She afraid to stay in her rural home of 50 years. This is how the criminal justice system works in a red county. I can’t imagine the situation in blue areas. The whole system is fucked.

    •�Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    •�Thanks: Curle
    •�Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  80. @prosa123

    I wonder if there is something to the idea that severe pain can cause a person to snap and do things they otherwise wouldn’t have done. As far as we know at the present Mangione’s withdrawal from mainstream society occurred around the same time as his back went really bad.

    Could be. With these things there tends to be a chicken-and-egg issue. It is not uncommon for people to kick up a row in doctor’s offices, because they cannot get narcotic pain killers, but it is harder to figure out if the injury preceded the dependence on pain killers. Often such people have a chronic history of not following instructions on dosage of pain killers.

    Immediately after back surgery it is very probable that the patient would be prescribed powerful painkillers for at least a period of time, and then weaned off them.

    New information is coming out about Mangione by the minute, so difficult to keep up. Now a friend has said that after the back surgery he was still in a lot of pain and was experimenting with magic mushrooms and “other psychedelics” for pain management.

    Once you are going that route, then all bets are off regarding his sanity.

    All a bit of a mystery, because he was apparently able to travel long distances in a bus, was walking around New York for some days, was able to make his escape running or walking quickly and then ride a bicycle and then get in and out of taxis in spite of crippling back pain.

    Judging by the rate at which new information is emerging, there will be more to come.

  81. Trinity says:
    @Trinity

    My mistake, I didn’t think Careless Whisper came out until 1987 or so, great song but no doubt I would have lost some cool points being nailed with a Wham/George Michael cassette back then and even called a “fag.” lol.

  82. @AnotherDad

    … be rich.

    Rush Limbaugh said he paid much less when he paid in cash for medical services rather than use insurance.

    But I recall a document concerning the Brazilian military attaché that I came across; the government purchased private health insurance to cover him in the USA. Even though the Brazilian government could certainly pay his medical bills, it just bought insurance like the rest of us peons.

    •�Replies: @James B. Shearer
  83. @anonymous

    Nobody’s commented on the $1,700 gun he used?

    What gun would that be?

  84. Anonymous[262] •�Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    How did immigration make Luigi’s life any worse, objectively? Mass immigration doesn’t hurt well-off high-ability whites (or people of other races) much, and I don’t see why Luigi rationally should have cared much about it from a perspective of self-interest. Not everyone is as extremely tribalistic on behalf of “normie whites” as you are.

    •�Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Hail
    , @njguy73
  85. @Jonathan Mason

    Judging by the rate at which new information is emerging, there will be more to come.

    A bold prediction!

    •�LOL: kaganovitch
  86. @anonymous

    Nobody’s commented on the $1,700 gun he used?

    Where did you see that? The reports I read all describe his weapon as a “ghost gun”, something 3D printed. But that is probably just MSM ignorance and fear mongering.

    He should’ve dumped the weapon, no matter how much it cost.

    •�Agree: muggles
  87. Dutch Boy says:
    @J.Ross

    “modern American culture is deeply Jewish.” You have described our deplorable situation in a nutshell.

    •�Replies: @Gc
  88. anonymous[880] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    In my whole life the number of Jews I have known I could count on the fingers of one hand. Growing up if I thought about Jews at all, it was as Bible people like Babylonians or people from the land of Goshen, no longer in the world, if they ever really were, probably just imaginary people like the wizard of Oz or other storybook characters.
    To this day, if I didn’t read sites like this I would never have heard of words like “goy” and “shiksha” and all those other Jewish words that it seems like only Jews and anti-Jews know.
    I’m sure it’s possible that I have known more Jews than I think I have because in our interactions the subject of ethnicity or religion never came up, but where I live now I doubt there is a Jew living within a hundred miles of me, maybe 200 miles. Probably there are some in the state university town.
    But whenever I read or watch the news, the bad stuff always seems to involve Jews somehow: hate against us Christian whites, discrimination against whites, foreign wars we have no business being involved in, riots, whatever it is there seem to be Jews behind it and non-Jews in high positions seem afraid to cross them.
    I don’t understand it.

    •�Thanks: Hail, J.Ross
    •�Replies: @Bumpkin
    , @Moshe Def
  89. Precious says:

    I have noticed on social media sites a lot of the comments supporting the killer are newly created accounts that post once or twice. Has all the appearance of a bot farm trying to push a narrative that people so hate insurance executives they are just waiting to provide support or acquit on a jury. Did someone angling for an insurance CEO position hire a bot farm to discourage other applicants?

    •�Replies: @muggles
  90. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So… which is it? Will the gun control be “exponential” or “ineffective”?

    Both. The most restrictive gun control is in communities with the most gun violence. Maybe “gun laws” would be a better term.

  91. Curle says:
    @Hail

    In the mid- and late-20th century, hatred of “communism” and “Marxism,” where it existed, was I think more often really hatred of anarchism more than the economic principles espoused by socialist ideologues.

    I assume it was a natural reaction of those who respect the past and the people of the past and the systems of life they arrived at through practical, as opposed to theoretical, application and experience. Where do such rules/lessons as ‘tragedy of the commons’ come from but from adaptations derived from practical experience which in turn become informal ‘laws.’ Communists/Leftists have no respect for the past or the people of the past.

    •�Replies: @Hail
  92. The racial disparity in gun-related homicide: a problem that must be discussed so it can be solved.

  93. @Jonathan Mason

    Back when I worked in emergency rooms I came across a fair number of patients who displayed very erratic unusual behavior (viz they didn’t just scream) when they were admitted with severe pain. For the most part such people were partly or wholly immobilized and most are in some form of shock so they didn’t attack anyone, but they said and did some very peculiar things. Granted acute pain is different from chronic pain, but I can well imagine that severe chronic pain could have a deep impact on the victim’s sanity, especially when it comes to things like idee fixe (you see a lot of that in ERs).

    •�Agree: prosa123
  94. @bomag

    I believe you are thinking about Eric Rudolph who bombed the 1996 Olympics, a lesbian bar, and others. He eluded a mult-state man hunt for years hiding in the wood of Appalachia. He was caught dumpster diving by a rookie cop in Murphy, North Carolina, on May 31, 2003 behind a Save-a-Lot convenience store.

    He is now doing four consecutive life terms at the SuperMax in Florence, Colorado.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

  95. EFG says:

    “Luigi Mangione Sr.”

    That is pretty darn funny.

  96. EFG says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t know.

    But it is.

    •�Replies: @Hail
  97. Curle says:
    @J.Ross

    The first thing an American afraid of Jewish power would have to confront is that modern American culture is deeply Jewish, so he is too, certainly from the point of view of traditional Christian European culture.

    Not so Jewish as to favor open borders. Nor even to the point of singling out White gentiles from the past as the cause of Black kids failing to learn algebra.

    •�Agree: OilcanFloyd
  98. bomag says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I would rather have a government any time.

    Not sure Haiti is the best example here. That gang leader could soon be the legitimate gov’t head, organizing witch hunts with organizational help from the IMF.

    If I had to parachute from orbit, with the landing choice between Haiti with a gov’t or Norway with anarchy, I’d take Norway.

    •�Agree: kaganovitch
  99. @anonymous

    Was it really a Station Six, or just a brand with a poorly matched suppressor? $1700 is quite doable for a single guy making at least $100K and (I’m guessing) no student debt.

    Also, a single round to the back dropped a healthy 200+ pound man and killed him. (The bullet to the right calf probably temporarily paralyzed the leg). 9mm is plenty adequate firepower for just about anything you’re likely to face. It is the correct balance of firepower, cost and handling for most shooters.

    •�Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  100. @Hail

    I understand he was born in 1998 and graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in May 2020

    Speaking of the class of 2020 (and why a bright fellow would do such a thing), I was just over at First Things, where they have a conversation with Brady Stiller on his new book about Chesterton. Somehow it all seems perfectly connected:

    Your Life Is a Story: G.K. Chesterton and the Paradox of Freedom
    Paperback – March 18, 2024
    by Brady Stiller (Author), Dale Ahlquist (Other Contributor)

    Brady Stiller was the valedictorian of the University of Notre Dame class of 2020, graduating with a bachelor’s degree in biological sciences and theology. He earned a master’s degree in nonprofit administration from the Mendoza College of Business at the University of Notre Dame. He was the first researcher to study materials of the G.K. Chesterton Collection at its new home at the Notre Dame London Global Gateway in the U.K. He also had a role in founding the Chesterton Academy in Covington, Louisiana.

  101. @newrouter

    Germany, in 1941. Hmm…

    United Kingdom 1948 Hmm…

    NHS was their Interstate Highway System!

  102. @AnotherDad

    Perhaps driven mad by his injury and resulting loss of sexual function?

    Seemed to lack common sense in execution of his crime. Or was getting eventually caught intentional? Could have gone to greater lengths to conceal his identity (tinted glasses, no cars) and destruction of evidence (eg, burn the backpack, drop the gun in deep water).

    •�Replies: @AnotherDad
  103. @VinnyVette

    “Sailing” was by Christopher Cross, not Rod Stewart.

    Someone had a really crappy sound system!

    “Goin’ Up the Country” was by Canned Heat, not Olivia Newton-John. “Whole Lotta Love” was by Led Zeppelin, not Perry Como or Andy Williams, albeit they all charted about the same time. (1969 was more diverse than people remember.)

    •�Replies: @Trinity
    , @Jonathan Mason
    , @J.Ross
  104. @VinnyVette

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_(Sutherland_Brothers_song)

    The first single from the album, “Sailing” was an international hit, notably in the UK, where it was number one for four weeks in September 1975. It returned to the UK chart in 1976 and, with less success, in 1987. “Sailing” remains Stewart’s biggest single hit in the UK, but was not a top 40 hit in his newly adopted US homeland.

  105. Trinity says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Whole Lotta Love was OWNED by Patty Smyth ( Scandal) on the old David Letterman Show in or about 1987. She made that song her OWN.

    •�Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  106. anon[138] •�Disclaimer says:

    the REAL status hierarchy.

  107. Trinity says:

    Hot Rod’s “Sailing” is a Celtic masterpiece, Christopher Cross song, “Sailing” is pretty wimpy. I knew Gerry Cooney was in trouble when he mentioned this 1980 song in an article before his 1982 Super Fight with Larry Holmes. Rod does the best version of The First Cut Is The Deepest even topping the Queen Of Covers Linda Ronstadt. Another song that has been covered by many from rock, soul, pop and even country is If Loving You Is Wrong, I Don’t Want To Be Right. Rod did a terrible job with this classic, best version IMO is done By Leann Rimes. Popped a bubble in the Odyssey 2001 spaceship with Ruby while grooving to the Luther Ingram version. Hey, what’s love got to do with it, Ruby baby.

    Cue: Help by Tina Turner

  108. muggles says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Some thoughts:

    a) This photo looks suspiciously like it may have been Photoshopped. Just sayin’

    b) When I saw this photo earlier, and smaller, it led me to the thought that he might be gay. How many computer nerds have six packs like that? It takes tons of gym time and even then, not common.

    Also, no mention of girlfriends, exes, spouse, etc. Isn’t social media usually full of those, when they exist? So this absence seems a possible “tell.”
    If that photo is real then he’s looking pretty gay.

    c) As to b) above, why no family or parental interview or comments yet (another omission). A traditional Italian family might not be so close to their gay/nerd son. Again, just an odd observation about something not yet reported upon.

    d) b) above may also account for why he doesn’t seem to be much concerned about being in prison for life. Maybe he thinks it will be “okay” for him.

    e) Note to all of his lefty fanboy admirers: Shooting someone in the back is a coward’s behavior. Not some symbolic “hero” for justice.

    Soon enough, that big Hawaiian smile there will be but a distant memory. Dumb-ass,,,

    •�Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Curle
  109. Trinity says:

    I think his mommy and daddy owned a series of nursing homes so talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Dude, you obtain a six pack at the dinner table not by exercising. A six pack is more for show than go. Try doing about 10 sets of 10 reps on barbell standing overhead presses and reverse grip pull-ups and tell me how sore your abs are for days. Strong abs vs. Calvin Klein abs. Lol. Those guys with waspy waists and six packs are usually not necessarily the fittest, certainly they don’t have the strongest abs or core.

  110. muggles says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    One odd reported “fact” about his supposed “gun” (semi auto pistol).

    They keep reporting that it was a ‘ghost gun” (i.e. no serial number) and was “possibly” made via a 3D Printer (used in light manufacturing).

    This seems ridiculous. Do such “guns’ even exist? With usable barrels?

    Sure maybe an upper receiver, but springs and tiny screws, etc.?

    The Narrative Press seems obsessed with “ghost guns ” which supposedly will let shooters run amuck.

    What a joke. They already do! Serial numbers aren’t that useful unless you have a firearm which can be reliably linked to a specific crime. This guy was carrying around his Murder Gun!

    So hardly a genius. He behaved like those dusky perps on local TV who get caught in a stolen car two hours after a hit. Why is he supposed to be “brilliant”?

    There are thousands of regular semi autos around that fire normal 9 ml ammo.

    Can you even make a short rifled pistol barrel that won’t crack or blow up on a 3D Printer? Why would you bother?

    More Media fantasy conjecture…

    •�Replies: @epebble
    , @Ralph L
    , @JMcG
  111. OT: Wikipedia is a vile POS Exhibit #2804: I tried searching for Daniel Penny on Wikipedia and got as a recommendation The Killing of Jordan Neely. There is a request to change the title to The Death of Jordan Neely that is under discussion. I could not get past the second paragraph.

  112. @muggles

    Thanks for the reply. Yes, the gay element crossed my mind. For one thing, most straight (normal) men don’t obsess that much over their appearance and “six packs.” It takes a lot of focus to get a “six pack,” and most women don’t give a shit.

    Most women don’t even want a muscle man. They want a fit, proportional (preferably tall and proportionally large in all respects 😉 ) self-confident man who shows promise of all the things a female needs in the father of her children.

    We here, of all places, know this.

    So, it immediately struck me that something was not actually normal about this apparently dunk-worthy, Mediterranian, swarthy-publisher-type, guy.

    The theorists will wonder if anything else was afoot. I will too. The only reason I don’t wonder very much is because the particular assassination does not actually go against the powers that be. It actually is an assassination of a useful doofus.

    My bet is on a crazy man shooting a jerk, but I could be wrong.

    Again, thanks for your reply.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  113. Ralph L says:
    @muggles

    On an episode of “Elementary,” the killer modified his first bullet for lower power with a printed gun, but used a normal bullet for the second hit of his accomplice, and the gun exploded. Sherlock found a piece of the gun embedded in an apple that the killer hadn’t cleaned up.

    Can steroid use bring on schizophrenia like pot does?

  114. @muggles

    PS: I hope you will Notice™ how long it is taking for Steve to allow my replies to get through to you and other readers.

    (I wrote my reply to you a long time ago today, and it still is invisible.)

    I remember when my comments appeared immediately, even before the editing window closed. Readers could literally read what I was writing… That was cool.

    Times have changed.

    I have expressed serious disagreements and doubts about Steve and the powers that be, and as a result, times have changed.

    Plus, of course, I no longer send him cash.

  115. Mike Tre says:
    @deep anonymous

    Thanks,

    It appears he lived in Hawaii prior to the shooting which might explain the photo someone posted of him shirtless. (The first thing that pic made me think was “What if Lou Ferrigno had a nephew who was a Nigerian bodybuilder who hung out with Juicy Smullet?”

    Further, it appears he had a significant back injury and posted an xray photo of a torso with a plate and pins installed in the lower back.

    The shooter also links to a book by Dr. Stuart McGill. McGill is very well known in serious weightlifting circles as one of the gurus of biomechanics and how they apply to weightlifting. Sailer might find him interesting as some time ago McGill noticed that one of the big reasons eastern Europeans seem to dominate power lifting competitions is because they naturally have shallower hip sockets which facilitate better hip flexion as well as an overall more efficient squat stance to optimize bearing heavy loads. McGill has a ton of videos and interviews on yt.

    Lots of speculation above about his motives and worldview. He’s not an anarchist. I would be willing to bet that he was very supportive of a great many laws and how they were selectively enforced. I’m guessing he had a massive sense of entitlement and is a borderline narcissist. But people are determined to cram this guy into their own personal boogeyman suit so they can proclaim “SEE!?!?!? I told you!”

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
  116. Mike Tre says:
    @Hail

    ” But the people cheering for the shooter show that there really is a constituency for anarchism; ”

    Disagree. Many assassinations (I’m not sure Thompson’s killing is an ‘assassination’) like Lincoln’s, were celebrated not because a constituency for anarchism, but because the assassinated was seen as a tyrant or an invader. Caesar’s assassination was celebrated and defended as preserving the Republic, not endorsing anarchy.

    Fair or not, Thompson represented an institution that profited from human suffering and exploited its own immunity from most government oversight. Insurance companies basically operate with impunity. It’s not capitalism when law requires its purchase and there is no practical way to reconcile grievances with a provider. In that sense, I would say the insurance companies represent a form of anarchy more so than Thompson’s killer. In this case Mangione is more of a vigilante.

    •�Agree: deep anonymous
    •�Thanks: bomag
    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    , @AnotherDad
  117. @Hail

    The Panic was then its cruelest phase: lockdowns, social distancing, and all the unpleasantness and misery.

    He underwent at least two years of major social disruption during the Corona-Panic, including his final semester at college and an endless-seeming period of nothingness and pointlessness

    … littered with tragedies, victims of the Corona-Panic, most of whose names were never know. Many of the unlucky ones are today dead …

    the victims of the destructive powers of the Corona-Panic of the early 2020s.

    And the winner of the Covid Melodrama Award is … yes, our own Hail!

    Geez. Take a deep breath. Yeah, they little dictators did a lot of stupid stuff. Including stuff–killer beaches!, killer golf!, killer parks!–that was just nuts even within their own context of fighting the pandemic. And yeah, the kids some places had to do class online and the bars were closed for a year.

    But seriously–though they would have likely to–they didn’t stop anyone from hanging out with their friends. You could hop in the car and drive anywhere you wanted. Or fly–and for cheap! (Man those were the days for flying! Cheap fares. Empty seats. Laying down and napping enroute. Sadly, we’ll never see those days again.) And no one turned off anyone’s precious cell service. People had their faces jammed in their phones … as per usual.

    There was no decade with no jobs. No one had to queue up in a bread line just to have something to eat. And no one hauled your ass to boot camp and then sent you half way around the world for a few years where other people would try to kill you.

    The “cruelty” and “misery” was … you couldn’t go clubbing for one year.

    Seriously if this is anyone’s idea of “misery”, what the heck happens to these precious flowers when there is some actual stress and strife.

    •�Agree: kaganovitch
    •�Thanks: muggles
    •�Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
  118. @Reg Cæsar

    Christopher Cross had a hit with the song Sailing in the US, but Rod Stewart had a hit with it in the UK and the rest of the world.

    However they were two different songs. The Stewart version was more famous.

    Neither of them wrote the song.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @obwandiyag
  119. I’m going with the name William Manor Jardine, or Doctor BJ for short. By the way, William Manor Jardine was the secretary of agriculture for the Calvin Coolidge administration.

  120. Altoona is where I wound up in the spring of 2020 after leaving Rockville in Maryland on foot. Previous to that, I had gotten booted off Amtrak somewhere in Colorado, picking up a ticket for Disorderly Conduct. (Which, I would argue, I rather got for rectifying another passenger’s disorderly conduct. But anyways…) That ticket was about to come due when I got to Altoona. I had no money, and needed to make some in a hurry to pay the fine. Well then, that little city with the funny name Altoona, very characteristic of Pennsylvania from what I could tell, is where I learned what it is like to be a day laborer. What I can say about that is this: being one of those is actually pretty fun.

    I got hired by three different people by standing on the median, flying a sign that said “Looking for work.” One guy had a crew that was shoveling gravel. Another guy had a lawn care service. And there was a woman and her daughter who were “ripping” a house. These, the woman and her daughter, more took pity on me than actually needed an extra hand; there seems to be plenty of goodwill in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania for men who don’t mind begging for work.

    What else can I say? Chiefly that being a day laborer is much, much easier than being a pilgrim. After I got kicked off Amtrak, I walked from Holly, Colorado to Champion, Wisconsin, to the shrine of Our Lady of Good Help up there about fifteen miles north of Green Bay, making the trek in five weeks flat, not once letting any of the many drivers who stopped to ask if I wanted a ride give me one. I must say it was exceedingly difficult to enjoy being on those hallowed grounds as sore and cold as I was by the time I got there. But any Catholic in this country who has not needs to go there, to the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help, (now called the Shrine of Our Lady of Champion). I am very proud I worked as hard as I did to get there. The route I took is a good twelve hundred miles. And I finished strong by walking more than sixty on the last day. Shoveling gravel was a vacation compared to that.

    What else did I learn in Altoona? I learned that folks will trust a man who does not work on Sunday with their pride and joy as if he was family. In a way, then, I guess I could say I learned a lot in Altoona.

    As for the subject at hand, these kinds of things always bring out Steve’s unfortunate schtick. Which, I would say, seems like the way he always dumbs himself down; and, boy oh boy does the coarse language make people sound stupid. Be better than that, Steve.

    What though is there to learn from Mr. Luigi? Eh, maybe all there is to say about him and what he did is that the world is a strange place and evil gets called good all the time these days.

    Nevertheless, I am reminded of what a seminarian from Notre Dame I sat next to on the train back from the Shrine the first time I went there told me when I had sounded a note of pessimism about the state of the Church and also about the world in general. This young man had graduated from the famous magnet school in Fairfax, Virginia that they call TJ, and he quoted from the Lord of the Rings to me, the line when, in the face of despair, the character says, simply, “There’s some good in this world, and it’s worth fighting for.” Indeed. It seems like I found good people everywhere I went.

    How did I make it home? After I was able to pay the fine, just in time as it turned out, a guy who was looking to hire a painter was so impressed by something I said that he gave me a couple hundred dollars on the spot for nothing because, he said, he had been blessed by it. Blessed by what I had said, I mean. I wish I could remember what that was but I don’t. All I recall is that I was talking in general about the tour of small-town America I had been on. Anyways, with that money I was able to buy a ticket to Johnstown and from there back to DC.

    And that is the story of the time I spent in Altoona, Pennsylvania, in the spring of 2020.

    One other thing I learned in Altoona is that pretty much anyone who needs to hire a hand off the street seems to agree with my father, who has always said that good help is hard to find.

    Which reminds me: walking all the way from Venezuela would be mighty hard work. Yep, mighty hard work indeed.

  121. Federal judge Reed O’Connor in the Northern District of Texas has rejected a plea agreement between the USA and Boeing on the grounds that the proposed selection of a monitor provision was against the public interest.

    William Kirk discusses the recent decision by the Supreme Court to NOT accept review of Wilson v. Hawaii at the current time due to its interlocutory nature.

    The Wall Street Journal editorial board has come out in support of the Supreme Court granting cert to hear the Snope v. Brown AR-15 ban case out of Maryland.

  122. Anonymous[167] •�Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    I would take a middle ground on the impact of the lockdowns. It was probably worse than you think for a young person. Honestly, some of my favorite restaurants were closed to indoor eating for way over a year. It was stupid!

    Pretty much all music concerts were shut down for at least a year. All kinds of events that young people engage in that we don’t think about we shut down because one out of 1 million teenagers might get the sniffles. And of course, high schools and grade schools were shut down for a long time all over the country. Teachers unions loved it.

    Actually, vacation plans were destroyed for most people for over a year. Remember for a while you might get stuck in quarantine due to some local jackass rule.

    Hopefully it didn’t warp too many of them though. But it is still shocking that all these years later Walmart is no longer open 24 hours a day. Neither are a lot of the big grocery chains. It continues to inconvenience everyone.

    •�Agree: Mark G.
  123. JMcG says:
    @muggles

    The BATF generally considers one part of a firearm to be the firearm. It’s usually the part that contains the fire control group. In the case of a pistol, it’s most often the grip frame; in an AR, it’s the lower receiver.
    There’s been a cottage industry of folks making 80% finished receivers and selling them to individuals. Those individuals then go on to do the last 20% of the work to turn them into a functioning part. Usually with varying degrees of success. One can also find the files required to print out such parts online.
    Every other part of a gun is freely available for sale online or in stores; barrels, trigger groups, magazines, etc.
    I believe the government position is that citizens are allowed to make one gun a year for their own use without becoming a “manufacturer.” I am NOT by any means competent to speak on the legal aspects of such activities, but that’s my general understanding of what comprises a ghost gun.
    That would explain why the pistol he used jammed so much. Many such ghost guns are poorly made and liable to malfunction.

    •�Thanks: muggles
  124. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s what a fool believes.

  125. Curle says:
    @Gallatin

    This nation had much better tastes back then.

    Sure about that?

  126. @Jonathan Mason

    Cross wrote the song he sang. Stewart’s was a cover of a Sutherland Brothers’ tune. I don’t remember the latter song at all; was it even released in the US? Naturally, the Cross song would be the first to come to mind to an American, as it got ubiquitous airplay. Trinity may have been abroad at the time; his comment history doesn’t have telltale Imperial spellings, though.

    The things you learn looking other stuff up… Cross employed Nicolette Larson as a backup singer. She was married to drummer Russ Kunkel, whose first wife, Leah (Cohen) Kunkel, was the kid sister of Mama Cass. Leah just passed away two weeks ago, 50 years after her sister. She gave up music to practice law.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  127. Hail says: •�Website

    Richard B. Spencer on Luigi Mangione, the health-insurance CEO shooter:

    Luigi is emblematic of the Ivy League graduate of the current year. I’m not suggesting that most of them are violent; they obviously are not; they’re not nearly that interesting! I am asserting that the admissions process selects for the “High-IQ Midwit.”

    It’s much like forming a basketball team with freakishly tall midgets or a philosophy department based on readers of Matthew Yglesias. They are smart yet not deep. They imagine “innovation” as a new band-aid on cancer. They will come up with new epicycles on epicycles, while not fundamentally questioning anything.

    They possess moral fervor only about the most bourgeois dilemmas imaginable: Inequality in the health-insurance industry is a perfect example. Competent managers of the current regime? Maybe … maybe they’re not even that anymore. They seem to be losing their justification, not to mention their faith in themselves.

    To be fair, as a violent, ideologically driven terrorist, Luigi had some potential here and there. But he ultimately sounds like a HuffPo columnist from 2009. He’s a cringe midwit and idolizing him is cringe.

    On the scale of dangerous, politically impactful psychopaths, he’s above Thomas Crooks (low bar) but well below Osama bin Laden, Ted Kaczynski, or Vladimir Lenin.

    Richard B. Spencer contrasts Luigi the shooter vs. Brian Thompson the CEO:

    Brian Thompson:

    > fun to be around, if a bit of a douche
    > genetic line secured through children
    > did his best as a pawn in a corrupt system for which he is not responsible and which there is no political will to reform.

    Luigi Mangione:

    > grown man who listens to Taylor Swift
    > “manifesto” doesn’t reach op-ed length
    > can’t differentiate between correlation and causation
    > a little *too* Italian…
    > thinks his normie opinions are edgy or unusual
    > praises Catholic Church for appealing to plebs
    > aspires to read *Infinite Jest*
    > constantly whines about back pain
    > becomes a gym bro for the six-pack but is a terrible athlete
    > believes in “AGI”
    > rich parents got rich by owning a chain of rest homes, not doing something cool
    > class suck-up who became valedictorian though extra-credit points
    > shoots a defenseless man in the back
    > gets arrested at a McDonalds
    > becomes violent over a middle-class ideal of universal health insurance

    Sources: One, two, three.

    Richard B. Spencer has also analyzed the manifesto and declared it highly wanting. It is a “Midwit Manifesto,” he jokes, adding that “Luigi deserves the chair on the basis of his manifesto alone.” And: “Not gonna lie, boldly declaring that you are a lone wolf suggests that you are part of a conspiracy.”

    (All quotes from Richard B. Spencer; no comment so far from former navy secretary Richard V. Spencer, but you never know.)

  128. Curle says:
    @muggles

    When I saw this photo earlier, and smaller, it led me to the thought that he might be gay. How many computer nerds have six packs like that?

    This is the most baffling part of the gay thing. All that work for, as Andrew Dice Clay would say, balls on the chin?

  129. Hail says: •�Website
    @Curle

    If we speak of about two centuries’ worth of Leftism now, ever since serious socialist movements began to emerge (pre-Marx) in the second quarter of the 19th century, I don’t know that it’s necessarily true that Leftists have no respect for the past.

    Better framed, the question should probably be, Who has more or less respect for “the past” (which past?): modern Leftists and modern Rightists? There are lots of forces on the Right (or the nominal Right), too, who are for ethnocultural dispossession, or don’t care about it, or make no real moves to safeguard it. Then you have the great irony, often commented around by the Sailer commentariat over the years, that the nominal-Leftist regimes of the Soviet bloc were better at ethnocultural-preservation than their Western counterparts. So who really was the Left and who the Right, in the end?

    In the age after Jewish emancipation, during and after the process by which Europe’s Jews (and eventually others) fully entered mainstream intellectual life, a radically different intellectual tradition and ‘Weltanschauung’ and ethical code were brought in, and for many reasons drifted to Leftism. Their influence on Leftism was as you say, and almost necessarily so.

  130. Trinity says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, I was in Glasgow in 1985 a good nine to ten years after Sailing by Rod Stewart was a HIT in America and abroad. I remember this song received tons of air play in America. It didn’t crack the top 40 in America but you had to really be out of the loop not to have heard this song back in the Seventies when it came out. One Stewart’s best IMO, even if it was a cover. His best? Yet another cover, by far the best version of The First Cut Is The Deepest. Hell, I heard this song in a strip club, the stripper must have been a Rod Stewart fan because her next song was I Was Only Joking. I tipped the girl a twenty ( good tip for just dancing on stage in 1986) and told her I really enjoyed her music selection. Not the type of music one would expect in a strip club for sure.

    As for
    Sailing vs. Sailing
    Stewart by a unanimous decision

    •�Replies: @Curle
  131. @Jonathan Mason

    People’s lost their jobs. And went on blacklists forever. People were cancelled permanently. People ended up on the street. Families broke forever. Just for starters.

  132. @Jenner Ickham Errican

  133. duncsbaby says:
    @J.Ross

    If he did really fail to exploit the almost full week of police confusion and then walk in to a freaking McDonald’s then I fully rescind all of my already highly conditional and balanced admiration.

    J., the guy destroyed two lives and two families; his and his victim’s. As far as shining a light on the medical insurance industry and all it’s sins, this dude’s one act won’t amount to a hill of beans. He’s a fuckin’ punk who shot a guy in the back and he’s going to get punked in jail as well he should. If he think’s he’s got back problems now.
    Why did he go to a McDonalds? Free wi-fi and cheap food. It wasn’t anymore complicated than that. The guy was good at planning out a supremely pointless assassination but he got hungry and he was on the run. He would’ve been better off committing suicide but he was probably too much of a narcissist so decided to destroy someone else’s existence as well as his own.

    •�Agree: mc23
    •�Disagree: radicalcenter
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  134. duncsbaby says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I get that people are running w/this list as a sign that he’s just a puppet or a brain-washed patsy set up by deep state operators, but what’s the purpose of killing the CEO of United Healthcare? How does that help the deep state? I know the conspiracy theorists will always have an answer for any question but I gotta go w/Steve’s phrase, “Occam’s butterknife.” The guy was a fuckin’ nut who thought he was bringing meaning to his life but has only brought more sorrow to himself, his family and his victim’s family. He should spend the rest of his days in a cell.

    •�Replies: @Hail
    , @J.Ross
  135. @Hail

    “In the age after Jewish emancipation, during and after the process by which Europe’s Jews (and eventually others) fully entered mainstream intellectual life, a radically different intellectual tradition and ‘Weltanschauung’ and ethical code were brought in, and for many reasons drifted to Leftism.”

    Some wag once observed that if you snatched some typical smelly Leftist runt away from his Occupy campsite for an hour and asked him to describe what he pictured *his* own life would be like, after the Revolution, he’d tell you he reckoned he’d be busy penning fiery op-ed columns for the Party newspaper, or sitting in a romantic cafe debating the finer points of Revolutionary theory with his fellow firebrands… he’d *never* imagine himself as a slightly better-paid night-shift worker in a fish-canning plant. As always, human beings require three vital things in order to survive: food, shelter, and to feel important.

    George Bernard Shaw was an old-fashioned pre-Marxism Fabian Society socialist of the reform-not-revolution type; he was a meliorist without a head for the ground game, a sort of Dorothy Day manque. And yet Marx himself never wrote anything as funny or as well-observed or as true (because funny and well-observed) as Major Barbara, Saint Joan, or Androcles and the Lion. Shaw knew all about what Marx did not: actual human beings.

    If the fundamental debate question of our time is, as Steve points out, Lenin’s “Who?/Whom?”, Shaw instead answered the even more basic question, the one asked and answered in the background on that Pink Floyd record — Q: [unrecorded] “Why did you do it? A: [recorded] “Why does anyone do anything?”

    The reason Marx took such a grip on the post-emancipated Jewish imagination was because Marxism proposed a model of future Revolutionary society which included a central indispensable role for good old intellectual middle-manning: the Jews as usual would re-make the world with themselves on top as intellectual vanguards, commissars and cadres, bravely speaking for the proles without actually having to *be* the icky proles. Conveniently in charge of all the arguing and loftily running things, while the pesky goyim did the scut-work. In other words, after the Revolution, Jews would get to stay in the family business: the slave trade. Plus ca change.

    •�Agree: deep anonymous
    •�Thanks: Hail
  136. @newrouter

    Of course, the UK has “closed the loop” by integrated “assisted dying” into its National Health Service.

    Just like Canada with its MAID (Medical Assistance in Dying).

    Once the State takes financial responsibility for everybody’s medical expenses, it is never very long before it starts killing people.

    Not to save itself money. No no no.

    It’s all about the State’s benign merciful attitudes towards its populace. Rather like a farmer’s attitude toward his cattle.

    •�Agree: JMcG, mc23
    •�Thanks: kaganovitch
  137. Hail says: •�Website
    @duncsbaby

    a puppet or a brain-washed patsy set up by deep state operators

    “It is funny how all these basic-b*tch liberals came out in support of a killer revealed to be an anti-woke tech bro who got MK-Ultra-ed by the Thiel network.” — Richard B. Spencer

    (In response to Emma Vigeland, a left-wing U.S. podcast host, declaring her solidarity with the shooter; Vigeland adopted the shooter’s “hooded” look.)

  138. Hail says: •�Website

    Tom Woods, writing December 10, on the health-insurance CEO shooting:

    All over social media we’re seeing people discussing Brian Thompson, the slain CEO of UnitedHealthcare, with comments like, “I don’t favor wanton murder, but….”

    We are then treated to little lectures on high CEO salaries, as well as the seeming arbitrariness of the various insurance companies’ decisions.

    These companies are the outgrowth of interventions into the health care market extending back to World War II.

    As for why they’re screwed up, the reasons are legion. But a teensy-weensy bit more important than allegedly greedy CEOs is that if you even think about using your actuarial tables, the Department of Justice will sue you. So start there. You have to run your business arbitrarily. That is actually the law.

    And I know, all the morally superior people you run into on Facebook, if they ran a health insurance company, would never deny anything. Right now none of them do a damn thing to help people, but I’m supposed to believe that if they were all healthcare CEOs they would of course be different from all the rest.

    Sure they would. Talk is cheap. They have no idea how this screwed up industry works in the first place. But they are convinced that they, being the modern Mother Teresa, would do things differently.

    In direct primary care offices you can get very inexpensive care administered efficiently and with very high customer ratings, because you deal neither with the government nor with insurance.

    That’s what American healthcare would have looked like if we hadn’t started tinkering with it in the 1940s, thinking we could improve on market outcomes.

    What we have instead is this monstrosity of inhuman regulation and requirements and red tape and paperwork and coercion.

    Within that kind of system, you are going to get these kinds of companies. Don’t like those companies? Then start repealing all your beloved regulations that gave them birth.

    •�Replies: @AnotherDad
  139. duncsbaby says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yesterday in Haiti, there was a witchhunt and massacre in which 180 elderly people were murdered because a gang leader believed his child (who died) had been made sick by witchcraft.

    How can this be? Conan O’Brien has assured me that Haiti is not a shithole country.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3zw2dpqgpo

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  140. Hail says: •�Website
    @EFG

    Luigi Mangione, Sr.

    How is that funny?

    I don’t know.

    But it is.

    Funnier would be if the shooter, Luigi Mangione (b.1998) had signed his own name as “Luigi Mangione Sr.”

    As far as know, the shooter is childless and (therefore) has no son bearing his name–a Luigi Jr.–which would make a hypothetical signing of his name as “Luigi Sr.” something aspirational. Steve Sailer suggested the shooter expects to get many marriage proposals while in prison.

  141. Hail says: •�Website
    @Anonymous

    Did Mangione read or follow Sailer?

    The best answer: Probably not. (More precisely stated: No evidence.)

    Luigi Mangione (@PepMangione)’s social-media account made a grand-total of zero mentions of Steve Sailer, despite Sailer’s snowballing Twitter presence by the tail-end of the 2010s and the early 2020s when Luigi was active there. (He disappeared completely from activity there around July 2024, the same time he stopped contacting his family and his mother reported him “missing.”)

    Some major figures that Luigi Mangione’s twitter account did mention and interact with (in the Twitter sense; replying, retweeting, whatever), with some frequency:

    – Jonathan Haidt,

    – Peter Thiel,

    – Tim Urban (blogger),

    – Richard Dawkins,

    – “Andrew D. Huberman, PhD,” and

    – Mike Benz.

    (NOTE: Mike Benz is a probable-Mossad-asset who, for several years in the late 2010s, pretended to be an Alt-Right personality. When later confronted about this, Mike Benz says all his racialist discoursing was a front, an ‘op’ to move discourse away from criticism of one particular ethnopolitical group and one particular Middle-Eastern state. Strangely, Mike Benz received zero social penalty for his years active as a “racist” Alt-Righter, after claiming it was an infiltration operation. Somehow he gets away with this, falls backward into success, and is hugely promoted on venues like Tucker Carlson, who, not being all-powerful, is also subject to being hit with influence-operations.)

    These are the top six I noticed, from browsing his tweets. Elon Musk may have ordered the account restored, after an underling had initially being deleted it hours after the McDonald’s arrest. It’s interesting that three of these six top figures Jewish, one of whom is likely a Mossad asset (see above).

    •�Thanks: MEH 0910
  142. Curle says:
    @Trinity

    The two songs have different titles at least according to YouTube. One is ‘Sailing’ by Christopher Cross, the ubiquitous one, and the other is ‘I Am Sailing” by Rod Stewart that I just heard for the first time and I listen to Rod from time to time. I have no recollection of hearing the Stewart song before.

    •�Agree: Art Deco
    •�Thanks: Trinity
    •�Replies: @Trinity
    , @deep anonymous
  143. duncsbaby says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s the Arthur Kwon Lee psyop that I find concerning.

  144. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Fascinating and helpful reminiscences. Thanks for that.

    Here is one of the few times I received Actual Very Lucid Spiritual Advice (viz not vague half-arsed mystical drunk-guy mumbo jumbo) from a homeless guy.

    I was out walking very late at night in a part of Los Angeles that isn’t very walkable, after a very long frustrating day. As a habit, I try to keep at least a few spare bucks ready to hand for the inevitable homeless people you come across in a day’s wanderings, I don’t like to stiff anyone completely if I can help it.

    But after midnight, after about my sixth and final homeless guy for the day, I was close to where I was going when I saw yet another one sort of slumped on the street ahead of me, right in my path. I paused, thinking Ah fuck, not again, I’m too tired for this, and considered crossing the street at a different crosswalk to avoid him. Then I reconsidered and thought, nah, I better, so I gave him a buck or two as I passed.

    To my surprise he got up and followed me. In my experience if you give a homeless guy like a twenty he will often follow you to thank you out of sheer surprise, but for just two bucks, no it had to be something else, so I stopped to hear what he had to say. He was more lucid than I would have guessed. He said…

    “I saw what you did back there. You were about to ignore me, which was understandable, but then you thought better of it and you came back and helped me out. So now I want to give you something in return. It’s the answer to a question that has been bothering you for a while.”

    He then really did come through; without any prep, he gave me a specific tailored answer to a specific problem that had indeed been wearing me down, not some general well-meaning all-purpose blather like you could get reading Maya Angelou. It was not precise enough to be uniquely personal, but precise enough to be fairly targeted. Even if he only pegged me down to one out of say thirty or so types, it was still a good effort, worth two bucks.

    Give all your money to HHCLA (look it up, laggards). Mark Casanova is a prince among men.

  145. JMcG says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    That is quite an epic! Merry Christmas and God Bless.

  146. @duncsbaby

    I think the correct technical term is failed state.

    There is no real definition of a shithole country, although many people enjoy visiting the chateau country of France.

    Haiti is an exaggerated version of the typical Caribbean island.

    Many of the best educated and most capable people leave and move to the United States, Canada, France, Spain, and the UK to study and often to live.

    This leaves behind a rump population of persons who are less successful in education, and who are often barred from getting visas overseas because they have local criminal records.

    Haiti is a particularly bad case because not only does it not have an elected government, but it is also virtually impossible to have legitimate elections there. It is also stuck with a dreadful outdated Constitution which can never be reformed without a revolution.

  147. @Buzz Mohawk

    It is just a thought but it is possible that the intense exercising required to build the prominent abdominal muscles might have been the cause of the lower vertebral dislocation that caused his back pain problems.

    Medical sources cite this as one possible cause of this type of back pain.

    •�Replies: @Brutusale
  148. @Hail

    Yes, an interesting analysis, and I can’t say I disagree with any of it.

    What hasn’t yet been discussed is whether Mangione is psychotic. In my opinion there is a more than 50% chance that he is psychotic, and will soon be put under the care of a psychiatrist.

  149. bomag says:
    @Hail

    Interesting comment.

    The Anarchist archetype popped back up in the late 1960s and 1970s in a serious way, but lost some of its hardened edge… Anarchism has been mostly politically inactive for a long time.

    Can’t help but think it is partly from living in a more complicated society. Those who would have been staunch Anarchists in the past today, after offering up a screed against The Man, whip out their cell phones and start floating. Part of them suspects they can’t have the Cloud if the eschaton is immanentized; and they really don’t want to build or fix modern cars et al, so they have to keep some of the current system around.

    •�Replies: @Hail
  150. @Anonymous

    But it is still shocking that all these years later Walmart is no longer open 24 hours a day.

    My local Kroger was open 24 hours a day for years. Problem was that it was so lightly staffed that shop lifting was too easy. A cashier told me that people just strolled out with stuff.

    My local red state Walmart has people at each exit who may want to see your receipt. That’s two employees who add $ to overhead but nothing to productivity.

    Wake me up next time you hear about someone convicted of shop lifting.

  151. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And the kiddies at the Ivies (Where else?) have a new hero to worship.

  152. Mike Tre says:
    @Hail

    Spencer’s analysis is premature and self serving. He is assuming too much about both men, and his need to refer more than once to Mangione as a midwit*, is both insecure and inaccurate. Mangione was clearly intelligent, and to some extent the product of modern education based brainwashing. His real limitation was that he was young and lacked experience and wisdom.

    Referring to Thompson as doing “his best as a pawn in a corrupt system” is a laughably dishonest characterization. The man was the CEO of the biggest health insurance company in the country and claim denials increased remarkably during his tenure. Based on this alone Spencer’s opinion should be dismissed outright.

    *Spencer is engaging in the Saileresque tactic of automatically associating supposed high intelligence with high moral values. It’s basically a way for him (spencer) to pat himself on the back by putting someone else down. It’s also not true.

    •�Agree: Cagey Beast
  153. @Anonymous

    How did immigration make Luigi’s life any worse, objectively? Mass immigration doesn’t hurt well-off high-ability whites (or people of other races) much, and I don’t see why Luigi rationally should have cared much about it from a perspective of self-interest. Not everyone is as extremely tribalistic on behalf of “normie whites” as you are.

    Depends on how you define “self-interest”.

    If that’s “make a buck”–the perspective of the people who push this–then “fine!”

    But if your perspective of self-interest includes the sort of nation your children, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren … inherit, their ability to find a good job; their ability to afford a house in a neighborhood with “good schools”, even the pleasantness of that neighborhood; the overall quality, functionality of the city/area they live in; the orderliness and cohesion of their society, crime, corruption, the nature of the politics, the trash, traffic, physics beauty, etc.; the environment in their nation pollution, open space, parks; the level of prosperity of the nation; its ability to compete with China and stay in the first rank; the whole psychological and social impact of living in a nation or not….

    In other words, if you care about anything and anyone beyond “make $$$, now!” then it is a blowout. Immigration is not just the essential question, the only question. What am I leaving behind for my children? The real judgement of a man and of leaders of a nation.

  154. @AnotherDad

    I hate to break the news but although it probably can do with some tinkering around, the basic system that we have in place in this country is about the best that we’re gonna get. Deal with it! People like this Mangione chap, their heads chock-full of “elite education”, still dream the dream of all True Believers: that life really can become a Free Lunch. And when the dream doesn’t come true (and it never does, nor will) they bitch and whine about how unfair life is. Evidently one of them went one step too far.

  155. J.Ross says:
    @duncsbaby

    >people with an issue with death care all but tyrn themselves in
    >Oh look! He used a 3D printed gun! We need to do something to make 3D printer incapable of making guns!
    >CEOs get a warning in the Whole Society Initiative

  156. Hail says: •�Website
    @Anonymous

    Mass-immigration and Third Worldization degrade the culture. AnotherDad is right.

    But with this line: “toxic minoritarian nonsense and immigration insanity [while] some guy is all hot and bothered by … medical insurance. LOL. Talk about blindness,” AnotherDad may have underestimated, in this case, the kinds of outcomes that cultural Third Worldization produces. In other words: the Luigi-the-CEO-shooters out there could be second-order effects of immigration-and-nationality-policy-driven Third Worldization, and not a blindness.

    Third Worlization, mass immigration of both low-end and higher-end Based Brown Guy archetype (Vivek R.), distort the incentive-structures for every young-aspirant native-born person in the “host” society. Third Worldization distorts reality in ways that can be difficult to envision. There are hard-to-quantify psycho-spiritual effects. These have long since penetrated into the ranks even of those well-insulated socioeconomically.

    People acclimate to Third Worldization (– ncluding to the attempts by slick-and-scheming, rent-seeking elite-Diasporics to carve out mini-fiefdom cash-cows of some portion of the host-society, at the expense of the commons. Host-society populations tend to accommodate themselves to this unpleasant reality, which is outside the usual NW-European “frame” for fair-dealing. They adjust towards a worse — less-honest, less-hopeful, less-idealistic — median than had been true for previous generations.

    The process creates fertile ground for all kinds of bad actors: including intelligence-agency “influence-op”-type people, or second-rate cynical opportunists, or a range of flavors of “self-radicalization” one might encounter, including at huge social-scale like the neo-religion that people call Wokeness (which is an Third-Worldization accommodationist cult). All of this is enabled and empowered by the Internet.

    •�Thanks: Moshe Def
    •�LOL: Corvinus
    •�Replies: @AnotherDad
  157. @The Anti-Gnostic

    A hit to an unsuspecting victim is not the same as a hit on someone who is attacking with hostile intent. A 9mm round with an expanding bullet may well be adequate, although men who have seen much gunfighting still tend to prefer .44 and .45 over 9mm and .38.

    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  158. @Anonymous

    It’s worse than that. The lockdowns cruelly and needlessly destroyed the livelihoods of millions of people. Such as small business owners (e.g., restaurateurs, caterers, hair stylists, bookstore owners, musicians) and people employed by those establishments (e.g., bartenders, waiters, busboys). The lockdowns legitimized the whole pernicious idea that an insular ruling clique could declare millions of workers “not essential” and basically destroy them without due process of law.

    •�Agree: Mr. Anon, Mike Tre, BB753
    •�Disagree: Corvinus
    •�Thanks: Hail
    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @BB753
  159. @Anonymous Jew

    Seemed to lack common sense in execution of his crime. Or was getting eventually caught intentional? Could have gone to greater lengths to conceal his identity (tinted glasses, no cars) and destruction of evidence (eg, burn the backpack, drop the gun in deep water).

    Spot on.

    Beyond common sense, anyone who has seen even a little of like police/detective drama, would realize there is a bunch of stuff that you must do to eliminate physical evidence and give yourself at least a shot at getting away with a murder. You’d think anyone with a 3 digit IQ, actually planning such a crime these days, would know that and make an effort to do that.

    And yet–I don’t really care and haven’t read the new reports, but from the comments here, and from the fact that he’s been arrested–seems like he didn’t do much of any of it. Weird.

    •�Replies: @Patrick in SC
  160. Luigi Nicholas Mangione = U nine-inch-salami gigolo

  161. @Hail

    Third Worlization, mass immigration of both low-end and higher-end Based Brown Guy archetype (Vivek R.), distort the incentive-structures for every young-aspirant native-born person in the “host” society. Third Worldization distorts reality in ways that can be difficult to envision. There are hard-to-quantify psycho-spiritual effects. These have long since penetrated into the ranks even of those well-insulated socioeconomically.

    You snap me up short, but it’s deserved.

    Great point, great paragraph and great comment end-to-end.

    The difference between “living as part of a nation” and “being an atom in the sprawling imperial marketplace” is huge. And it is not surprising that the later leads to more alienation, mroe psychosis and even anarchistic behavior. And especially when we are not in a “steady state” but young people can actually see the downward trajectory, and a young man can easily think “fuck it, this place is going to hell, nothing for me here.”

    Note: I discourage that response. Young men should take their cue from that lion among men here–kaganovitch. Find a quality gal–admittedly much harder now–and start building a family, a real life, with her. It’s work but rewarding. But there is no doubt our society–hard to even call it a “nation” anymore–is way more alienating. So, it is not surprising that there are more loose cannons out there. I just wish this guy could have found Mayorkas.

  162. @Jonathan Mason

    And next thing you’ll be telling us how Sirhan shot Bobby.

  163. prosa123 says:
    @Anonymous

    But it is still shocking that all these years later Walmart is no longer open 24 hours a day.

    Walmart had been considering an end to 24/7 store operations some time prior to Covid, at least since 2017 or 2018, but corporate management for some reason was hesitant. Most likely they were concerned about alienating customers. Covid gave them a reason to act.

  164. Trinity says:
    @Curle

    One thing about when “I Am Sailing” came out is that it hit the charts in the middle of the Disco Era from 1975-1979, Christopher Cross, “Sailing” came out in 1980 when Disco was on its way out. My favorite Stewart songs are the ballads although “Hot Legs” and “Some Guys Have All The Luck” are great tunes. I was only 14-15 in 1975-1976 but I have always been a music junkie. Like I said earlier I saw a stripper performing to “I Am Sailing” ten years later in 1986 in Tampa so I do find it somewhat remarkable that a couple of people here have never heard of this song. I can’t imagine going into Mons Venus in 1990 and seeing “Kaitlyn “ dancing to “Sailing” by Christopher Cross, but I did see the only Black chick in Tanga Lounge do her number to “Swinging” by John Anderson. Still there were alternatives to Disco from 1975-1979, Linda Ronstadt, the Doobie Brothers, the Eagles, Elton John, and other notable acts didn’t drop a disco song like The Stones, KISS, Rod Stewart, Blondie, Queen, etc., well Another One Bites The Dust came out as Disco was on its way out in 1980 so Queen was a little late to the party.

    Regardless “I Am Sailing” is a “Celtic Masterpiece “ while “Sailing” is a sappy and somewhat dreary tune IMO.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
  165. @EdwardM

    How big of a threat is jury nullification? Any difference in a Fed vs. state trial?

    I predict that he will have a good chance of being found not guilty by reason of insanity or some similar plea. Perhaps he will get time in a mental hospital like John Hinckley.

    You read it here first.

    You cannot underestimate the value of coming from a wealthy family who can afford crafty lawyers and expert witness psychiatrists who will toe the line when you are in the dock charged with murder or attempted murder.

    •�Thanks: EdwardM
    •�Replies: @muggles
    , @Curle
    , @Art Deco
  166. @prosa123

    But it is still shocking that all these years later Walmart is no longer open 24 hours a day.

    Wow, I had no idea that was the case. I though it was just my local branch that had decided to do this, because I knew of another branch that closed at night in Jacksonville, FL before the pandemic, because it was in a high crime area.

    It was a great convenience for customers, especially those who worked shifts, and usually all the staff on the night shift were engaged in stacking shelves and arranging displays, with only one person on a cash register for the odd customer who wandered in.

    Are they now going to stack the shelves during the daytimes, blocking the aisles with fork lifts?

    •�Replies: @prosa123
  167. prosa123 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In addition to crime issues, having customers in stores 24/7 makes merchandise packout slower and more complicated.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  168. prosa123 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Haiti is a particularly bad case because not only does it not have an elected government, but it is also virtually impossible to have legitimate elections there.

    From what I understand, while Port-au-Prince is anarchic the second city of Cap Haitien is more stable, with local authorities able to maintain a degree of control.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  169. @Carol

    “Medicare is awesome.”

    Lol. Medicine [sic] is a hoax. Excepting surgeons, of course.

    Health = diet + movement. Period.

    The rest is superstition and placebo 🍭

  170. @Hail

    Thanks. Good to read this guy’s perspective. And agree with much of it.

    But it seems to me that a lot of this omits the most obvious cause of the “cost crisis” in medical care:

    Technical innovation: Docs can simply do a heck of a lot more for you than in 1945.

    Back then, what–set your broken bone, keep wounds clean, give you the smallpox vaccine, give you penicillin–which as a useful drug was brand new with US mass production for use in the War–if you had a bad infection.

    Now, if you get cancer, you expect–instead of just dying–that the docs will roll out an extensive treatment and cure you–and someone else (“the insurance company”) will pay for it. If you have a heart attack, that they can do surgery and unblock arteries–and someone else will pay for it.

    For example, I’m an old guy. I’d like to feel and function like I did when I was 20–heck even 50 would be great. There have experiments with circulating young rats blood through old rats and … the old rats “get young”. (I.e. strong indication that aging is not just “wear and tear” but “planned obsolescence”.) Make that therapy effective … I want it! And it should be covered by my Medicare!

    Medical care is both labor intensive service. And medical care demand is essentially unbounded.

    To cut costs you need to make medical care less labor intensive more efficient–AI docs, robotic tests and scans, etc. etc. But as long as docs can do more, people will want more. There is no end to the demand for health, to feel better.

    •�Replies: @deep anonymous
  171. @Anonymous

    “Did Mangione read or follow Sailer?”

    Maybe. More likely Karl Denninger, who’s advocated m*rder and vi*lence viz doctors et al since the covid hoax and, since this latest m*rder, has gloriously, unapologetically DOUBLED DOWN on his position. 👏 👏 👏

  172. @prosa123

    Yes, this is correct, and former Prime Minister Gary Conille did point out that most of the provinces of Haiti are somewhat orderly and that the majority of gang members are classified as children (aged under 18).

    However PoP comprises about 8% of the population and there are also other heavily-populated nearby areas like Croix-des-Bouquets (pop 250,000) or Cite Soleil that are gang infested.

    However even in the provinces that are deemed to be under control there are massive problems with basic infrastructure. Only 15% of the urban population is connected to piped water, and in rural areas–forget about it.

    People have to buy those 5 gallon bottles of purified drinking water and deliver them by motor bike or truck.

    Richer people have internet connections via satellite dishes, and even the poor, of course, have cell phones, though they may have difficulty charging them at times so that they can access the bare necessities of life such as Facebook and Whatsapp.

    Only 45% of the population has access to electricity, and even then, there are frequent cuts in service. People in rural areas may have to pay to use public charging stations in markets.

    So failed state is probably a fair description.

  173. @Jonathan Mason

    It is also stuck with a dreadful outdated Constitution which can never be reformed without a revolution.

    As always, it is hard to tell if you are serious or just taking the piss. I’m inclined to think the latter, as the idea that any of Haiti’s troubles are the result of its constitution is Marx brothers level of absurdity. I do recall, however, that you have a sort of bee in your bonnet regarding constitutions and their ‘chilling ‘effect on legislative fiat. Iirc you were favorably contrasting the Ecuadorian system of a new constitution every decade or so with the US constitution.

  174. @AnotherDad

    I respectfully disagree. The only reason medical care demand is, as you say, “essentially unbounded” is because the entire system has degenerated into a third-party payor system. Before the advent of employer-paid health insurance (which arose in response to WW II era wage and price controls), people generally paid for their own health care, which meant that costs and demand were necessarily bounded.

    Unfortunately, it would take a lot of short-term economic dislocation to get back to such a sane model. But if you think about it, that model applies to most everything else you buy, and there is no inherent reason it should not apply to health care.

  175. Mike Tre says:
    @prosa123

    The problem is during and after Kovid they also stopped or significantly reduced the graveyard shifts being worked by employees specifically tasked with stocking shelves. It’s all done during normal business hours now. So not only can you expect 50% or more of the aisles to be cluttered with employees (and their large carts) restocking shelves from 6am to 6pm, the employees themselves are the lowest common denominator when it comes to efficiency, customer courtesy, sense of awareness, and helpfulness.

  176. danand says:
    @duncsbaby

    “…probably too much of a narcissist so decided to destroy someone else’s existence as well as his own.”

    Duncsbaby, sounds about right. I won’t be surprised, given his age and higher intellect, that he is soon diagnosed as schizophrenic. Schizophrenia combined with his attempts at self healing via mushrooms…easy for everything to go forever wrong for a young man of some potential promise.

  177. @Trinity

    I used to go out on the fantail of the old USCG Gallatin

    USCGC Gallatin. A luxury yacht built during Beatlemania. My units were from FDR’s reign, one from his first term.

    ( last I heard the old girl became part of the Nigerian navy)

    At least she’s still afloat. My units, at least one of which also spent her “retirement” in Africa, now serve as artificial reefs.

    But, yeah, serving on a vessel christened for someone from Switzerland must have been neat. I read a lot of Harry Browne in those days.

    Stewart’s dooya disco rave was ubiquitous during my time, as was Cross’s “Sailing”. One couldn’t escape them. But Stewart’s “Sailing” doesn’t ring a bell at all. With others, too, evidently.

    •�Replies: @anonymous
  178. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Which reminds me: walking all the way from Venezuela would be mighty hard work. Yep, mighty hard work indeed.

    As a mission of faith, would you be willing to walk all the way to Venezuela from your current location, and also report to us how it goes? I, for one, would be fascinated by your dispatches.

  179. muggles says:
    @Precious

    Did someone angling for an insurance CEO position hire a bot farm to discourage other applicants?

    Re: bot farm “sympathetic” posts.

    I wouldn’t rule out these being from China, N. Korea or Russia, Belarus.

    They have paid cyber terms which are used, for among other things, creating discord and dismay, unrest and discontent in the EU and especially the US.

    While this seems marginal and crazy, the idea is to sow mistrust and discourage Americans from responding to threats and crises in a rational manner. Push their buttons and see how high they jump.

    Paid bot farms are run out of SE Asian places like Burma or Laos and while usually running scams, can be hired by state actors.

    While individual real people (mainly young stupid lefty males) might cheerlead for this back shooter, when bots are employed, I would suspect the Usual Suspects.

    •�Thanks: Precious
  180. @JohnnyWalker123

    Our dopey Asian friend is regurge-dumping “conspiracy discourse 101” slop. Any halfway-decent AI program will serve up the same buzzword salad.

  181. Here is Heather Mac Donald on the Penny trial: https://archive.ph/CjngY

  182. muggles says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I predict that he will have a good chance of being found not guilty by reason of insanity or some similar plea. Perhaps he will get time in a mental hospital like John Hinckley.

    Not a bad prediction.

    But in NY and I think most places (due to long held Supreme Court rulings) you have to be nearly incoherent and NYC subway nutso to be let off by “insanity”.

    This guy did deep planning (though not good) and wrote a “manifesto” and seems highly rational if not nearly totally wrong and immoral.

    His lawyers will push this, but likely via plea bargain. Some long term “treatment” in a somewhat minimum-security prison with “counseling” and drugs.

    I would guess sentenced to 25 years but parole eligible in 20.

    But back shooting a corporate executive in downtown Manhattan is bad for business and the local DAs will be under a lot of heat to Send a Message.

    Ted Kaczinski was also a brilliant misanthrope (bomber) and recently died in the Supermax.

    •�Replies: @prosa123
  183. Curle says:
    @Hail

    Strangely, Mike Benz received zero social penalty for his years active as a “racist” Alt-Righter, after claiming it was an infiltration operation. Somehow he gets away with this, falls backward into success

    Sounds like anything but strange in the current era.

  184. prosa123 says:
    @muggles

    But back shooting a corporate executive in downtown Manhattan is bad for business and the local DAs will be under a lot of heat to Send a Message.

    Alvin Bragg the Manhattan DA is so absurdly soft on crime all bets are off.

    •�Agree: duncsbaby
    •�Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Mike Tre
    , @Jim Don Bob
  185. @Reg Cæsar

    Otto von Bismarck instituted a healthcare plan for German workers in 1883:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck_model

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  186. J.Ross says:
    @prosa123

    This, one big part of the legalization of violence that began under Obama was Democrats convincing themselves that there is no sich thing as deterremce.

  187. @Trinity

    “Trinidad by Eddie Money”

    Love that song and its intricate guitar work. Eddie Money’s best songs were never played on AOR stations.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  188. @Hail

    Whilst Peter Thiel be creepy he is intelligent and practices conceptual thinking which is how interesting people like Peter and me move forward in the current imposed reality.

  189. Bumpkin says:
    @anonymous

    whatever it is there seem to be Jews behind it and non-Jews in high positions seem afraid to cross them.
    I don’t understand it.

    A clue, no idea if it’s true, but seems plausible.

  190. Mike Tre says:
    @prosa123

    As usual, it depends on who’s committing the crimes. A great white defendant is too good to pass up.

  191. Art Deco says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In 1980 I watched his driver practice evasive maneuvers with the stretch limousine:
    ==
    Johnny Carson drove himself to work in an ordinary car. He was asked about it and said no need to attract attention to yourself. As a stretch limo would.
    ==
    I was once acquainted with the man who ran Reckitt & Coleman’s American subsidiary. If you were going to pick out the twenty most influential people in the Genesee Valley, he’d have been on the list. He lived in an ordinary suburban tract house abutting a golf course and tootled around in a nondescript car. His wife had her gray hair at ear length parted on the side, a pair of women’s browline eyeglasses, periwinkle raincoat, and a gentle smile which revealed a set of discolored English teeth. They were the most unpretentious pair of VIPs you could imagine.

    •�Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Curle
    , @prosa123
  192. Art Deco says:
    @Mike Tre

    Thompson represented an institution that profited from human suffering
    ==
    You going to start shooting doctors too? Prison guards? Masses of people are employed in containing or cleaning up issues which beset fallen humanity. They do useful work. (In the case of his company, providing risk-pooling services).

    •�Thanks: Manfred Arcane
    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  193. Art Deco says:
    @Hail

    Richard B. Spencer contrasts Luigi the shooter vs. Brian Thompson the CEO:
    ==
    He never met either one.

  194. @EdwardM

    Most courts take a dim view of jury nullification. It is the jury’s prerogative that dare not speak its name. There have been cases where, during deliberations, when a juror suggests taking that course, another juror rats him out to the judge, and the judge then dismisses the juror for “misconduct.”

    Maryland, Indiana, and Georgia are alone among the states in having a constitutional provision purporting to recognize jury nullification. In Maryland, for example, the provision reads, “In the trial of all criminal cases, the jury shall be the judges of law as well as of fact, . . .”

    The Supreme Courts in those states have read those provisions out of their constitutions by judicial fiat. See, e.g., Unger v. State, 427 Md. 383 (2012).

    Jury nullification also was part of the common law, but beginning in the 19th Century, courts gradually have abolished the practice, and in 1895, the U.S. Supreme Court did as well. Sparf v. United States, 156 U.S. 51 (1895).

  195. Brutusale says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Your Google-Fu is abysmal.

    “According to various sources, Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has been reported to have suffered from spondylolisthesis, a condition where a vertebra in the spine slips out of alignment.

    Here are some key points about Mangione’s reported condition:

    Spondylolisthesis diagnosis: Mangione allegedly discussed his spondylolisthesis on Reddit, a social media platform, where he shared his experiences and symptoms.
    Symptoms: He described chronic back pain, sleep issues, and fatigue, which worsened over time.
    Surgery: Mangione reportedly underwent spinal fusion surgery in July 2023, which appeared to have been successful, as he shared his positive experience on an “Athletic Success Stories” thread on Reddit.
    Reddit posts: Mangione’s now-deleted Reddit account revealed his struggles with back pain, sleep apnea, and other health issues, including his experience with spondylolisthesis.
    Impact on daily life: He described how his condition affected his daily routine, including his ability to exercise and perform household chores.
    It is essential to note that these reports are based on online sources and may not be officially confirmed or medically verified. As the investigation into Mangione’s actions continues, more information may emerge about his health and the circumstances surrounding the shooting.”–Brave AI

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis

  196. JR Ewing says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I thought the exact same thing. I think he had a beer last night at the Black Hand happy hour with his boy Gavrilo Princip. Sacco and Vanzetti stopped by too.

  197. JR Ewing says:
    @AnotherDad

    Could presumably find himself a quality gal, have a family and a really nice life

    The story I have heard is that he’s not really interested in that, ifykwim. At least the “gal” part.

  198. @prosa123

    Alvin Bragg the Manhattan DA is so absurdly soft on crime all bets are off.

    AB is only soft on woke POC crime. Luigi is a white boy. Therefore he is guilty and he’s going down hard.

    •�Agree: BB753
  199. Corvinus says:
    @Mike Tre

    “I’m guessing he had a massive sense of entitlement and is a borderline narcissist. But people are determined to cram this guy into their own personal boogeyman suit so they can proclaim “SEE!?!?!? I told you!”

    JFC, this is EXACTLY what you do.

  200. mc23 says:

    Love the Tucker blurb.Keep playing that clip around your wife!

  201. @Art Deco

    None of the people you describe ran a Dow Jones Industrial that was at that time a major force in American manufacturing. But I agree, and I think some of those corporate leaders just ran with the “stretch limo” image. (Even then I thought it was a little funny.)

    This was at the very same time my father described to me how leadership was changing from engineer types to lawyer types and financial types. That CEO was a lawyer.

    That company at the time was in the news and subject to very big lawsuits involving health (asbestos.) So I think my analogy and my personal experience are actually very, very spot on in this case. When you know you are a potential target, protect yourself accordingly.

  202. njguy73 says:
    @Anonymous

    How did immigration make Luigi’s life any worse, objectively?

    If his ancestors hadn’t immigrated from Italy, right now he’d be enjoying Italy’s National Health Service.

  203. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You have any reason to believe that Hinkley wasn’t crazy and that this fellow is crazy? Shooting the president to impress a girl sounds crazy on its face. Shooting a man hated by thousands or a symbol of people hated by thousands to rid the world of him doesn’t sound crazy on its face.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  204. Curle says:
    @Art Deco

    Per your comment re: Carson. I’ve got a friend who by a weird turn of events got to know a top 25 in US billionaire many years ago. This person kept as low a profile as possible including driving a top of the line mid-range GM sedan by themselves. No chauffeur. No envy car. Didn’t want one. Died in their sleep.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  205. Mike Tre says:
    @Art Deco

    LOL, Art, I do believe you’re becoming hysterical. Are there an usual number of books currently past due? Did you run out of ink for your date stamper? You’re starting to sound like Corvanus, with your misrepresentations and attempts lay violent actions at the feet of other commenters.

    I never said anything about shooting anyone, but congratulations on recovering from your recent flare up of herpes, and I also understand you’re not beating your boyfriend anymore, at least, not any more than he likes.

  206. @Mike Tre

    It’s not capitalism when law requires its purchase and there is no practical way to reconcile grievances with a provider. In that sense, I would say the insurance companies represent a form of anarchy more so than Thompson’s killer. In this case Mangione is more of a vigilante.

    Jackassery. I’d hope folks here are capable of something called “thought”.

    First off, what insurance is required? I went for years without health insurance and took the risk/ payment upon myself. If you are willing to pay, or go without services or die–like people did back in the day–you don’t need it. Auto insurance–the liability side–is required in most states … for other drivers. Not that that means the illegal alien who runs into you has it. But there’s the point–that law exists to make sure you–a law abiding driver–are compensated when someone smacks into you.

    Insurance companies are regulated by various state and nation laws. And, of course, grievances–the big ones–are “reconciled” all the time–in court. The ambulance chasers are on the radio all the time here in Florida. If insurance regulation is insufficient, that’s a political matter. But if you expect them to pay every claim submitted with no objection, that’s simply a ticket to fraud, various slimy operators looting the system and, of course, higher premium. (I.e. even more parasitism.)

    Obviously, people love to hate on insurance companies because the don’t do anything materially productive–like banks. And worse, mostly you pay and pay and pay and pay them and they don’t do anything for you. But that’s actually a good thing–that means your life is going along pretty well. When something actually happens to you and the company is there to pay … that’s goodness. I have the same general feelings. I much prefer real productive labor/enterprises–and don’t love what are essentially bureaucracies. But the concept of “risk sharing” isn’t all that hard to grasp. (Ok, this year I paid for other people’s hurricane, accidents, fires, etc.)

    If you want to live without insurance … just do it. But then don’t expect the rest of us to pick up the pieces when something bad happens to you.

  207. @Curle

    I would do the same thing should I ever be in his position. Bezos, T Swift, Musk, and others can’t go anywhere without security.

    CDAN says that Fauci has 6 bodyguards all probably paid for by us. How about we put his lying butt in jail where he will be safe?

    •�Agree: Mark G.
  208. anonymous[282] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Industry joke in the ’96 film The Limey. At a fabulous party thrown by record producer Peter Fonda, a gushing young guest asks, “what was Christopher Cross like?” Fonda’s response – “well you know, I just do the contracts.”

  209. @Joe Stalin

    “Rush Limbaugh said he paid much less when he paid in cash for medical services rather than use insurance.”

    Usually if you don’t have insurance you pay far more. A few years ago I had a kidney stone and went to an emergency room. They did a cat scan which confirmed it was a kidney stone. Then they gave something for the pain, told me to drink lots of water and sent me on my way. I was there a few hours. I don’t remember the exact number but I got a bill for something like $18,000. Fortunately I had insurance. The insurance price was a much more reasonable number like $1,000 of which my share was something like $200. I am not sure why people think insurance companies are the villain here.

    •�Replies: @JR Ewing
    , @Bernard
  210. @AnotherDad

    He wanted to get caught.

    Besides not trying hard enough to get away, his raving while being led into court was too theatrical.

    •�Agree: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @bomag
  211. Ralph L says:

    Noticing made The Federalist’s notable books of 2024. It’s the third of Joy Pullmann’s choices. “I, for one, welcome more of his essays about the architecture of golf courses.” I think she’s being sarcastic.

    https://thefederalist.com/2024/12/11/the-federalist-notable-books-of-2024/

  212. @AnotherDad

    If you want to live without insurance … just do it.

    Many do. Including some Trump voters.

    But then don’t expect the rest of us to pick up the pieces when something bad happens to you.

    The rest of them will be sufficient.

  213. Yes, it is that time of the year again, when bills are being pre-filed in Olympia in anticpation of the 2025 legislative session.

    William Kirk discusses Florida HB 31, which if enacted into law, would significantly alter Florida’s legislative scheme on firearms by simply removing many of their firearms laws.

    2A historian Stephen Halbrook lambastes federal judge.

    SCOTUS announces decision in Snope case and more.

    Professor Smith recommends 2nd Amendment-related books for Christmas in this video.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  214. prosa123 says:
    @Art Deco

    If you were going to pick out the twenty most influential people in the Genesee Valley, he’d have been on the list.

    That sort of sounds like Borat’s sister, the fourth-best prostitute in the village.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Art Deco
  215. Mike Tre says:
    @AnotherDad

    “I’d hope folks here are capable of something called “thought”.”

    You’re only capable of binary thinking.

    “If you want to live without insurance … just do it. But then don’t expect the rest of us to pick up the pieces when something bad happens to you. ”

    I should be shocked that you gleaned that from what I wrote, but then again, you are the smug pompous asshole that applauded the likes of Fauci and massive Kovid lockdown and mask hysteria.

    You’re an establishment sycophant and a clown. Honk honk!

  216. Mike Tre says:
    @AnotherDad

    “Auto insurance–the liability side–is required in most states … for other drivers. ”

    and WTF does this even mean? Liability auto insurance is required for all drivers, not “other drivers” (LOL)

    Only two states don’t “require” auto insurance per say, but can compel a driver to purchase it if that state chooses to and or charge additional annual fees if a motorist doesn’t have it.

    It’s no wonder you and jack D love to bicker so much; you’re both well versed in obfuscation or just outright lies.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  217. @Curle

    If I was your attorney I would not advise you to take to the witness stand in your own defense.

    I don’t believe he is mentally ill only because he decided to kill someone he believed to be evil, but because there are a number of items in his personal history which suggests that he had been in a pattern of mental deterioration over the last year or so.

    Anyway, to make a determination of mental illness an experienced forensic psychiatrist would have to interview him face to face and hear what he has to say for himself, and analyze his thought patterns for disordered thinking or delusions.

    It is my opinion (based on many years of experience) that such an interview would end up with the psychiatrist concluding that he was mentally ill.

    Of course I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

    •�Replies: @Curle
    , @Art Deco
  218. @prosa123

    “Walmart had been considering an end to 24/7 store operations some time prior to Covid, at least since 2017 or 2018, but corporate management for some reason was hesitant. Most likely they were concerned about alienating customers. Covid gave them a reason to act.”

    Many years ago I used to eat in a diner that was open all night. Then they needed to do some construction and they closed in the middle of the night for a while to do the work. This drove home to them how much money they had been losing by staying open all night and they never went back to being open all night.

    •�Agree: prosa123
    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  219. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    First off, what insurance is required? I went for years without health insurance and took the risk/ payment upon myself. If you are willing to pay, or go without services or die–like people did back in the day–you don’t need it. Auto insurance–the liability side–is required in most states … for other drivers. Not that that means the illegal alien who runs into you has it. But there’s the point–that law exists to make sure you–a law abiding driver–are compensated when someone smacks into you.

    Those laws that require you to buy car insurance are relatively new. The one in California was, I believe, only passed in 2000 or 2001. And yet, prior to that law being passed, responsible people still bought car insurance and irresponsible people did not, just as was the case after the law was passed. Lots of people drove cars in California prior to the year 2000. The World did not end because there was no law that compelled you to buy insurance. But those laws now do give the government another reason to hassle you if they chose.

    Those laws weren’t passed because insurance companies care about you. They were passed to insure a larger market for them. They weren’t passed because the public clamored for them. They were passed because insuance companies lobbied and schmoozed (and, perhaps bribed) state legislators to do it.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  220. Anonymous[167] •�Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123

    In addition, I suspect Walmart and Kroger and another big stores suddenly had much more market power as a result of Covid lockdowns. Being open 24 hours a day was something they did to compete with smaller businesses that couldn’t do that.

    But after a lot of smaller chains got hurt and many small businesses were destroyed, they had the power to limit their own hours.

    They had Monopoly power for a while.

    •�Replies: @Ralph L
    , @JR Ewing
  221. @prosa123

    If you were going to pick out the twenty most influential people in the Genesee Valley, he’d have been on the list.

    That sort of sounds like Borat’s sister, the fourth-best prostitute in the village

    Hey, Xerox and Kodak aren’t what they used to be (nor even there anymore, nor is Jell-O), but they still boast the Eastman School of Music. Do either the real or the fictional Kazakhstan have anything equivalent?

    Nobody interpreted Leroy Anderson better than their orchestra. Now that snow is here, how fitting for the Snow Belt:

  222. Anonymous[245] •�Disclaimer says:

    I’m up to 150k followers on Twitter

    I do not understand the willingness of so many social media accountholders (not just you) to spend so much time and effort building up their accounts. Can’t the social media firms close an account overnight for any number of vague, unspecified reasons (e.g. “violation of community standards” whatever that means)?

    Is it as simple as the gain outweighing the risk?

  223. @Inspector Grant

    Otto made it available, but it took Adi made it universal, according to this list:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care#History

    Norway, Japan, and New Zealand beat him to “universality”, though.

  224. @deep anonymous

    Yes. Small business got slaughtered. Graduate programs shrank. Numerous lives thrown off track or severely disrupted. The lockdowns were a crime against humanity.

    •�Agree: Mark G., Mr. Anon, Mike Tre
    •�LOL: Corvinus
    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  225. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If I was your attorney I would not advise you to take to the witness stand in your own defense.

    I’m not the guy in trouble with the law.

    It is my opinion (based on many years of experience) that such an interview would end up with the psychiatrist concluding that he was mentally ill.

    Your experience is providing expert testimony about people you’ve only read about in magazines or news articles? When you are asked this question for the purpose of establishing your expertise by opposing counsel, how do you answer it? You know, of course, that your testimony would never be admitted into evidence in the US, so what is the nature of your purported expertise in evaluating defendants from a distance for the purpose of commenting here?

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  226. @anonymous

    Fonda’s best line: “People are always gushing on about the romance of The Sixties. In reality, it was all just 1965, and the first part of 1966.”

    •�Replies: @Lugash
  227. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    You underestimate the evil, dehumanizing effect of the lockdowns – the utterly alienating effect of them. I’ve heard lots of stories of young people who were deeply affected by it. I know people I suspect were deeply affected by it (up to and including suicide).

    And don’t forget the Summer of George. The George Floyd riots were a direct consequence of the lockdowns. People who have someplace to be in the morning can’t protest and riot for three months straight. People who have someplace to be and something to do don’t feel the need to protest and riot for three months. It was the COVID insanity that enabled the Floyd-Festival.

    •�Agree: Hail
  228. @Sam Hildebrand

    “10:30 that night, a narcotics deputy called my mom, (she was staying at my house because she was terrified). He started gaslighting my mom telling her the couple were good people and they thought someone who had assaulted a friend of theirs was staying at my mom’s house. They had returned the stolen items (except the ring cameras they had destroyed) and were real sorry. The pos didn’t realize my mom had her phone on speaker. I asked the officer if he had them in custody, he got pissy and finally agreed to arrest them.”

    Sounds like the narcotics deputy is personal friends with the perps. There are also coppers I call accessories, who support criminals, and use their positions to further destroy the lives of vics, but they typically support black perps.

    •�Replies: @duncsbaby
  229. Ralph L says:
    @Anonymous

    More open hours would have been better for Covid, since people at risk could come when few people were there. My Walmart funneled everyone through one doorway instead of four. Stupidity all ’round.

    •�Agree: kaganovitch
    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
  230. @Hail

    I tried Richard Spencer twice, well, now thrice.

    Back when he was Peter Brimelow and Jared Taylor’s very well-paid figurehead, he had a webzine called alternative right. (BTW, if you stuff a neo-Nazi’s pocket with lucre, what does that make you?) He had a podcast, in which he and a crony sat around, chewing the hot brei, for 65 minutes. I made it through five minutes. Richard has stratospherically high self-esteem, but he’s a bore, as was his buddy. (This is why I rarely listen to anyone’s podcasts. Plus, hardly anyone provides new information that I haven’t already uncovered myself, or been provided by my own brilliant, courageous contributors.)

    I once tried reading a “thing” Richard wrote on the need for gop in-reach for more White voters, rather than out-reach for more non-White voters. I made it through or three paragraphs, before realizing that it was a plagiary of Steve’s classic late November, 2000 article on the need for gop in-reach.

    At that point, I’d read Steve’s brilliant original at least twice, so why would I continue reading Richard’s plagiary?

  231. Gc says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Cool story Steinbeck, but a little bit sugarcoated ending. Like they say sugar is the worst drug.

  232. duncsbaby says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Sounds like the narcotics deputy is personal friends with the perps.

    I bet they’re paid informants. They narc on their druggie pals and the narcotics officer lets them off to steal to their hearts’ content.

    •�Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  233. Gc says:
    @Dutch Boy

    Whose fault is those spiritual tooth trolls? They sound evangelical to me.

  234. @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for this. I lost a friend to suicide during those dark times. And I completely agree about the lockdowns enabling the Floyd phenomenon/Summer of George.

  235. Travis says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Exactly. COVID hysteria was the cause of the George Floyd riots. The lockdowns resulted in civil unrest, which was predicted by many. Shutting down schools, universities, churches, parks and beaches etc.. while forcing people to wear ridiculous masks and avoid all social gatherings resulted in social unrest, increased drug and alcohol abuse, and social isolation and depression for many. With millions out of work and schools closed the only available social interactions permitted were BLM protests. The pent up anger and frustration from the lockdowns resulted in hundreds of riots across America.

    •�Thanks: Hail
  236. Moshe Def says:
    @anonymous

    >I don’t understand it.
    Jesus Christ would say that it is because they are of their Father, the Devil.

    •�Replies: @Gc
  237. It’s not called mal anglais without reason …

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8xm5pem5eo

    Banned LGBT veterans to get up to £70,000 in compensation

  238. @Mr. Anon

    No, Floyd riots have nothing to do with lockdowns. Blacks are humanoid animals & Democrats are corrupted perverts.

    •�Agree: Alden
    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  239. @Jonathan Mason

    Oh, it does. Shitholes is: Africans+ Islam- with or without oil + Indios + Hindus. Complete and utter shit.

  240. @Trinity

    You have raised and then dashed my hopes – I couldn’t imagine Patti Smith doing Whole Lotta Love and was really looking forward to an idiosyncratic take.

    But if you want to know where that came from, listen to a 19 year old Steve Marriott – Plant certainly did.

    •�Thanks: duncsbaby
    •�Replies: @Trinity
  241. Comments, Steve?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/12/biden-grants-largest-single-day-clemency-in-us-history-with-1500-sentences-commuted

    US President Joe Biden has issued presidential pardons to 39 Americans convicted of non-violent crimes, and commuted the sentences of nearly 1,500 other people.

    The White House described it as the most acts of presidential clemency issued in a single day. It has not given the names of the people involved.

    •�Replies: @rebel yell
  242. Mike Tre says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yes, responsible people get health, auto, life and home insurance. When the government requires it, or at the very least compels an individual to purchase it (lenders also require insurance to be bought when obtaining a mortgage or a car loan, home renters are almost always required to purchase renter insurance) we are now talking about something different. The provides can and do gouge their “customers” while at the same time subjecting them to a bureaucratic fun house maze of 3 inch thick booklets, call centers in India, etc.

    So the point is, when something is required by law or contract (a non negotiable contract where all the terms are laid out by one party isn’t really a contract, it’s more like forcible servitude), then it allows insurance companies to absolutely inflate the cost of their services because why not? The buyer has to purchase it from somewhere and has no recourse.

    Immediately following the Kovid/Floyd disaster my auto insurance rates more than doubled, and I had/have a clean driving record. I had State Farm for almost 20 years up to that point but I dropped them anyway and went to a smaller insurer with slightly better rates. This is not organic capitalism at work. This is just corporatist exploitation.

    One can condemn the actions of Mangiano while at the same time understanding why he did it. It’s becoming more apparent that AnotherDad (like ThatWouldBeTelling – where’s he been? I guess Steve stuffed him back into the gimp box until he’s needed to shill for the next health panic) likely worked in the upper echelons of the healthcare industry by the way he just staunchly defends it at every turn.

    •�Agree: JMcG
  243. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Insanity defenses are rare. In New York, you have to give advance notice of one and stipulate the contentions in the indictment. The burden of proof is on the defense. There is no analogue in New York law to the ‘diminished capacity’ defenses you could use in California courts fifty years ago.

    •�Thanks: kaganovitch
    •�Replies: @deep anonymous
  244. @Mike Tre

    Spencer is a Nietchzean (I think he prefers “Apollonian”, but he’s still essentially Nietchzan) , and, like most Nietchzeans, has a raging, absurdly overinflated sense of his own superiority. The Vox Popoli crowd go overboard on labeling everyone they don’t like as “Gammas,” but the Gamma type does exist, and Spencer is one of the most flagrant Gamma Secret Kings out there. He can’t abide to be associated with the “midwits” and the common herd, and has to think of himself as an elite; his contempt for the church-going, rural, blue-collar, anti-vax, Trump-voting bourgeoisie is so strong that he supported Biden in 2020 and Kamala in 2024, claiming that the Democrats were more competent and more “elite”, and thus better qualified to run things. Anyone who still thinks the Dems are competent or elite after 4 years of the Biden Follies and Peak DEI isn’t to be taken seriously. Spencer simply uses that pretext to justify his own despicable change of sides; see, he isn’t really trying to suck up to perceived winners, just exercising his Apollonian intelligence in a way us pathetic midwits can’t understand. Spencer is a joke, with no consistent principles other than his need to feed his own self-worship, and should be treated as a joke.

    •�Agree: deep anonymous
    •�Thanks: bomag
  245. @Art Deco

    In the aftermath of John Hinckley’s successful insanity defense (he was the guy who shot Reagan as well as Brady, whose name lives on in ignominy because it is indelibly linked to gun control), most states changed their laws regarding the insanity defense and generally made it more difficult for a defendant to succeed.

    In Maryland, for example, the insanity defense was changed to a defense of “not crminally responsible.” If a defendant pulls it off, he goes off to the nuthouse instead of prison. Usually for a long time. Still, the nuthouse generally is better than prison. I do not think the average person realizes how brutal and de-humanizing a prison, especially the maximum security kind, can be.

  246. Luigi Sr. actually bears a vague resemblance to Ricardo Montalban

  247. @Joe Stalin

    Mayor Fulop has been a vocal advocate of universal background checks…

    Unless he means for all 7,233,500, “universal” is a lie. Imagine requiring proof of such a check in order to vote!

    There are 7,233,500 adults, (1,532,610 of whom are seniors) in New Jersey.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/new-jersey

  248. So that’s what happened to the fellow who dropped his top in Chesapeake Bay. I was wondering.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  249. JR Ewing says:
    @James B. Shearer

    I don’t remember the exact number but I got a bill for something like $18,000. Fortunately I had insurance. The insurance price was a much more reasonable number like $1,000 of which my share was something like $200.

    That $18,000 is a meaningless number.

    Your OOP cost might not have been $1,000 if you had paid cash, but it would have been FAR less than the $18,000 number.

    The difference is, you have to tell them you are paying cash up front. Then, if you get a bill and you think it’s too high, you can just call them and literally haggle it down. As long as they know you are a cash customer up front, they will do that for you.

    If you go in with insurance and something gets denied, they won’t haggle (at least at first) and they’ll tell you to take it up with your insurance provider.

    That being said, it’s harder to pay cash and haggle when you are getting treated for an illness or acute condition in the hospital itself, because every little procedure and service just happens in the normal course of treatment and you can’t pick and choose. You also run into the problem that there are several billing entities with their hand in the kitty: the hospital, the “doctor’s association”, the anesthesiologist, etc. That also makes it hard to shop because you have no idea who is going to eventually send you a bill. Personally, that’s the one billing practice that hacks me off the most.

    But where you can REALLY save money is if you are shopping for a specific procedure – an MRI, an elective surgery, lab work – and you call around and shop and tell them you are paying cash. They’ll pull out a “secret” price list when you tell them. In fact, shopping has gotten so widespread that many independent MRI and imaging shops now just put the cash price on their website so people will quit calling them.

    BTW, you can easily haggle and pay cash at the dentist and optometrist, too.

  250. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Unfortunately that is not in the cards right now, nor will it be for the foreseeable future. The dream though is to make it to Columbia, where there is something even more spectacular than the miracle we celebrate today—the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe—a wonder that is literally rock-solid proof of the truth of the One True Faith. https://catholicexchange.com/miraculous-image-lady-las-lajas/

  251. Moshe Def says:
    @AnotherDad

    >But then don’t expect the rest of us to pick up the pieces when something bad happens to you.

    I take it you stuck with private insurance and refuse Medicare? That is admirable.

    •�Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  252. @Curle

    Your experience is providing expert testimony about people you’ve only read about in magazines or news articles? When you are asked this question for the purpose of establishing your expertise by opposing counsel, how do you answer it? You know, of course, that your testimony would never be admitted into evidence in the US, so what is the nature of your purported expertise in evaluating defendants from a distance for the purpose of commenting here?

    Just because it is an interesting case that people are interpreting from a variety of perspectives. Mine is that I spent decades working in forensic psychiatry settings in various countries.

    I have reviewed the full case notes of thousands of offenders, including large numbers of rapists and murderers so I am extremely familiar with psychiatric forensic examinations and clinical psychologist psychometric testing reports.

    You may have a different perspective based on your own life experience. That is OK.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
  253. JR Ewing says:
    @Anonymous

    They had Monopoly power for a while.

    I remember 30-40 years ago my grandmother – back in the days when she was just “senior” and not actually “elderly” (she passed away four years ago) – would occasionally suffer from insomnia and instead of laying in bed all night, she would get up and go grocery shopping at 2:00 in the morning. She said it was great because the store was empty and she could take her time.

    30-40 years ago they didn’t have the monopoly power you speak of, so all four of the grocery store chains in our small city were open 24 hours. Now there is Walmart and HEB and neither are open 24 hours.

  254. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Cool story. “…for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”

    I stopped giving them cash when I saw a homeless woman use the money I gave her to get drunk on the corner. So instead I started carrying around gift cards, like for McDonalds or Subway.

    Being homeless in LA is something of a right of passage for a certain type of my generation. I did it for a season; I should probably right about it some day. I do remember trying to get Steve to come out when I was out there, but, well, alas–he’s not that type (nor my generation).

    But yeah, some lucid advice from Steve Sailer to me–that would have been a story worth telling.

  255. Trinity says:
    @Corpse Tooth

    Criminally underrated was the blue collar man’s rocker, Eddie Money. I picked up a lot of tunes from frequenting pubs, strip clubs, nightclubs in my younger years. I have already mentioned a couple of strip clubs and the songs I associated them with. A dancer at a dive frequented by The Outlaws Motorcycle Club ( at 18-19, my friends and I would dare ourselves to go there) called Joe’s Cellar usually had 2 strippers dancing maybe once every couple of hours. Had this one stripper there who went under the stage name of “Stara”, she seemed to favor Eddie’s breakout hit, “Baby Hold On To Me.” Money could also play the Saxophone 🎷 which can be heard on his 1979 song, Maybe I’m A Fool and his biggest hit, Take Me Home Tonight. RIP to the Money Man.

    Cue: You Really Got A Hold On Me by Eddie Money (cover)

    •�Replies: @Curle
    , @Mike Tre
  256. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Medicine [sic] is a hoax. Excepting surgeons, of course.

    Also vaccines and most especially the Vaxx™.

  257. @Ralph L

    More open hours would have been better for Covid, since people at risk could come when few people were there.

    In fairness, though, quite a bit of commercial Covid response was driven by staffing shortages. Walmart staffing demographic is extremely susceptible to “I got gubmint money coming in, why go to work?” type of calculus.

  258. @AnotherDad

    The “back pain” preventing any intimacy sounds like it might be horseshit. Possible closet case.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Curle
    , @John Johnson
  259. @Reg Cæsar

    His name is “Sean Connery In Pink With A Wig and False Teeth’ by Rembrandt van Rijn.

    The original hangs in a private area of Buckingham Palace.

  260. Hail says: •�Website
    @bomag

    Those who would have been staunch Anarchists in the past today, after offering up a screed against The Man, whip out their cell phones and start floating

    The people in Europe who began calling themselves “Antifa,” a label eventually exported the USA by the 2010s, are today’s nominal anarchists.

    How often do we see “Antifa” committing acts in line with the old vision of Propaganda der Tat (“propaganda of the deed”)? The anarchists of the late-19th and early-2oth century were ready and willing to use anti-state terrorism. The best analogue in our time and in our frame-of-reference would be Islamist terrorism.

    But Postmodern Antifa in Europe and the USA are, usually, nothing like this. As has been pointed out many times, these groups more usually are shock-troops of the Establishment. Sometimes they can become violent and a general nuisance. But they are always more interested in doing kind of role-playing games.

    The Stone Toss comic-artist, soon after he emerged in 2017-18, has gotten a lot of mileage out of the contradictions and watered-down absurdities of today’s anarchists and anarchism-adjacent leftists, a fertile field for satire:

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Curle
  261. Mike Tre says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    He may be a homosexual, but what a lot of people don’t realize is that surgery, especially back surgery can result in significant peripheral nerve damage.

    It’s not out of the question that his surgery damaged nerves that facilitate the function of his sex organ. It seems that losing the ability to have sex as an otherwise healthy 25 year old would be pretty devastating. Now, imagine a sex crazed homosexual (read: mentally ill) losing the ability to bugger anything that moves. A murderer emerging from that mold seems very believable.

    I completely tore my distal biceps tendon off my radius a couple years ago. After the surgery to reattach it, I still experience mild neuropathy in my lower forearm and wrist. Pins and needles, tingling, burning, but at least I didn’t lose function.

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  262. Mike Tre says:
    @Hail

    ” The people in Europe who began calling themselves “Antifa,” a label eventually exported the USA by the 2010s, are today’s nominal anarchists.

    How often do we see “Antifa” committing acts in line with the old vision of Propaganda der Tat (“propaganda of the deed”)? The anarchists of the late-19th and early-2oth century were ready and willing to use anti-state terrorism.”

    Today’s antifa are not anarchists. They are enforcers of current state tyranny. There is nothing “anti-state” about their terrorism.

    The original antifa of National Socialist Germany were promoters of communism/Bolshevism. They were typical communist revolutionaries, seeking to install a different form of government, not eliminate government.

  263. Trinity says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Patty Smyth not Patty Smith ( Smith was the one with the hairy pits, SMYTH was the former lead singer of Scandal and married John McEnroe.) Even Letterman was taken aback by the outstanding performance by Patty SMYTH of The Led Zeppelin classic as was the audience.

    You deserve 30 days in the hole for confusing the two.

    Cue: 30 Days In The Hole by Humble Pie

  264. But Postmodern Antifa in Europe and the USA are, usually, nothing like this. As has been pointed out many times, these groups more usually are shock-troops of the Establishment.

    Exactly. I call them the Parasite Party’s street fight arm. But that’s not quite right, cause they actually can’t fight very well.

    Basically, they are the bureaucratic state’s–“the swamp”, “the blob”–goon squad to attack normies who stand up and object. Make normie opposition and protest both more difficult and cultivate and aura of “violence” and “extremism” around it.

  265. astorian says:

    If Pablo Cruise was a real person, THAT is undoubtedly what he’d look like!

  266. Anonymous[308] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    I like a lot of Stewarts music, both solo and especially with Faces, but I had never heard this Sailing song before. It is quite interesting (hint hint: deserving of a Steve post) that there is quite a bit of music and/or artists that are popular in one place but not the other. Even among the consensus greats – Beatles, Motown, Stones, Aretha Franklin, Elvis, Michael Jackson-there are songs/albums that hit big in one country but not the other. Can anyone point me to a good observer who tried to explain this phenomenon?

  267. Curle says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Possible closet case.

    Keep in mind that guys with that kind of intelligence often can’t fathom what girls are saying much less thinking. I can’t determine from the internet his birth order compared to his two sisters but I’ve got a friend who makes a convincing case that many behavior questions can be answered by birth order. Was he youngest? Oldest?

  268. Curle says:
    @Hail

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-james-comey-politics-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e

    Remember, Chris Wray said Antifa is an ideology not an organization. Apparently one where co-ideologues have little difficulty coordinating and suppressing the speech of others (my observation not Wray’s).

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  269. @James B. Shearer

    24/7 is a lot of costs, risk and maintenance.

  270. Curle says:
    @Trinity

    Saw him at a casino years ago. He took his daughter on the road with him as a performer and was promoting her which was nice not annoying. Seemed like an easy going guy, the opposite of all those egomaniacs you hear about.

    •�Agree: Trinity
  271. @Mike Tre

    “eastern Europeans seem to dominate power lifting competitions is because they naturally have shallower hip sockets which facilitate better hip flexion”

    The Slav Squat is real.

    Ethnicity and biomechanics; Steve should be all over this.

    Spinal surgery is awful. You should only get it if you are having genuine neurological dysfunction that can be repaired. For that matter, pushing your body in excess of the functional capacity of your joints should also be avoided. You can still get plenty jacked without herniating a disc before you turn 30. I think a lot of these injuries are people getting juiced and building muscle beyond what their skeletons and connective tissue can handle.

    There are lots of old athletes who can barely move; another reason to drastically de-scale sports. There’s a clip going around the internet of a truly stupid confrontation between Brett Favre and Mark Gastineau, and they look like just two addled, beat-up old men.

    My advice to any athlete would be to maximize NIL earnings in college, five years in the pros, and leave before you get beat up for life.

  272. @Diversity Heretic

    I talked about this with a cop (a big dyke one😄) and that was her justification for carrying a .45 hand cannon. But she’s a lot more likely to face 300 lb thugs on meth; I just avoid those neighborhoods. But even if I were 300 lbs and on meth I wouldn’t want to get hit by a 9mm.

    The balance for accurate shot placement and firepower for me is 9mm. If I need more than that it’s the Civil War and I’m carrying a 12 gauge or 556.

    •�Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  273. Mike Tre says:
    @Trinity

    ” A dancer at a dive frequented by The Outlaws Motorcycle Club ( at 18-19, my friends and I would dare ourselves to go there) called Joe’s Cellar ”

    Are you referring to Joliet? Because there is still an Outlaws outpost on Washington St on the east side of Joliet and The Cellar, as it is known these days, is a still operating strip club in Joliet just south of downtown.

    Also, Eddie Money was a cop before he made it big (IIRC).

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
  274. Mike Tre says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I agree with much of what you say, but I will state again that I think steroids make a convenient yet misunderstood scapegoat for much of these sports related injuries both during and after careers are completed.

    I think the bigger culprit with these chronic sports injuries are pain medications*, because they allow athletes to continue to compete at a very intense and high level while they are still significantly injured, all because they cannot feel the pain that is meant to tell them they need to stop using that particular body part until it is healed.

    Favre was addicted to pain meds most of his career, meds he started taking so he could play with injuries, and was most likely not using anabolic steroids. Injuries took a massive toll on his body.

    In my experience with studying the thing (activity, sport, competition) known as weightlifting, soft tissue injuries are a much more common issue compared to lower back injuries. Muscles and connective tissues tear a lot more often than discs slip or blow out, because most of the guys at the higher levels of powerlifting have learned that precise form when lifting not only prevents injuries to the back, but facilitates heavier lifts as well.

    *This is to include the very high rate of death in the pro wrestling world. The pattern was the same with nearly all of those guys. Getting injured in the ring and being required to work 300 nights a year by their promotion led to the heavy use of pain meds, which led to addiction, chronic injuries, other drug abuse (most of them were using large amounts of amphetamine and cocaine as well), the grueling lifestyle, and then for some chronic obesity played a major role.

    •�Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  275. Anon 2 says:

    Re: Jewish decline

    There are currently no Jewish chess grandmasters in the top 20.
    Jewish decline appears to parallel the general U.S. decline (although
    the U.S. chess grandmasters are still well-represented in the top 20).
    Polish chess prodigy Jan-Krzysztof Duda (born April 26, 1998)
    currently ranks No.14 worldwide.

  276. @Moshe Def

    I take it you stuck with private insurance and refuse Medicare? That is admirable.

    Well, I sure am doing that!

    I am 64, on the verge of 65, and I can’t tell you now many different mailings and proposals and sales and marketing garbage I have been receiving for the past several months!

    I recently received in the mail an entire book from “my” government, titled Medicare and You 2025. Okay, but a month or two earlier, I received a form from “my” government telling me to sign — with a witness — if I elected not to have “Part B” of Medicare. I have until sometime before my 65th birthday to sign it — with a witness — and return it.

    It is not even clear where that form came from! Ostensibly from some government office, but how the fuck am I supposed to know?

    During all of this, I have been receiving countless marketing mailers from private salesmen offering me their oh-so-helpful services to select my best medical insurance from “my” government in my old age. I think, “What of my ageing counterparts who are not as savvy, not as intelligent, not as energetic and not as able to figure out all of this shit?”

    Well I know: They are the suckers. They are the targets of all of this evil marketeer business.

    I had no idea how evil and convoluted this shit is.

    I have all the fucking medical coverage I need. Fuck the government. Fuck it. It is filled with retarded, mouth-breathing parasites.

    •�Agree: Renard
  277. lol now they’re trying to get out of paying the McDonald’s person the reward money.

    but if they had called the FBI or NYPD instead of just calling 911 like they did, the guy would have been gone.

    it’s unbelievable what the US has become. the authorities trying to fink on the citizens they asked for help, just the health insurance companies finking on their customers, Republican politicians finking on their voters.

  278. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    If you don’t mind, I’d like some information about Catholic ritual. You seem to be a devout, knowledgeable Catholic so I thought you might be able to explain the five portals/doors that Pope Francis will open on Christmas Eve this year.

  279. @Curle

    I was not even aware that there was a Rod Stewart song with a title similar to “Sailing” until this thread, and I listened to a lot of music at the time.

  280. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Ethnicity and biomechanics; Steve should be all over this.”

    You’re conveniently neglecting to mention the fulcrum—Marxism.

    https://www.mirasafety.com/blogs/news/the-history-of-the-slav-squat?srsltid=AfmBOopGSPfcx-Ev0rwORagIDbOvXUORZ6mp0mIomuL3qtHEuuhpXSRr

    —Pinpointing an exact year for the Slav Squat’s birth has been compared to nailing Jell-O to a wall–an impossibility. However, experts on the subject believe that the phenomenon was created during the heyday of the Soviet Union and its satellite states in Eastern Europe known as the Warsaw Pact.

    The grand scheme of socialist projects and centralized planning overlooked a basic staple of city life: public seating. Parks and other places where people gathered were missing benches. Endless stretches of avenues and recreational real estate had no place where people could sit (there was, however, always an overabundance of party propaganda posters plastered everywhere).

    In this landscape, the Slav Squat would have offered a practical solution–a way to rest weary legs, share cigarettes with comrades, obscure the dreariness of communist life with a bottle or two, and contemplate the finer points of Marxist theory, all without the need for pesky benches funded by the ever-suspicious capitalist world.

    The lack-of-benches theory has its skeptics, though. Yugoslavia, a socialist federation known for its relative prosperity and, one would presume, a decent supply of park furniture, was full of Slav Squatters.

    Whether or not the world-renowned and beloved Slav Squat emerged from this crucible of necessity, it emerged as a testament to human ingenuity and the ability to find comfort in the most unexpected places.—

  281. @Curle

    Remember, Chris Wray said Antifa is an ideology not an organization.

    In other words, a starfish, not a spider. They’re actually more dangerous

    •�Thanks: Curle
  282. I am shocked, shocked I tell you that the Feds have been lying about how many undercover agents were there at the January 6th “insurrection.”

    Rest assured that none of them did anything wrong. Some of them did, you know, go into the capitol, but that’s different than the Deplorables who did the same thing and are now in jail. One of their agents had his travel expenses paid by the FBI.

    Everyone at FBI HQ needs to be fired Stat, or else put in a windowless room with no duties, no phone, and no internet access.

    •�Agree: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @MB
  283. Republican Senators Tillis and Cornyn boast about enacting 2022 gun control law.

    William Kirk dicusses the very dangerous arguments being offered by the State of Washington in support of our magazine ban passed a couple of years ago.

    The latest from the federal judiciary in the case against Illinois’ gun and magazine ban with the Southern District of Illinois federal judge issuing an amended final judgement and permanent injunction against the law, but acknowledging the stay on the injunction pending the outcome in the appeals court.

  284. Mark G. says:
    @Trinity

    “Smith was the one with the hairy pits”

    I have a friend who saw Smith out on the streets of New York in the late seventies and went up to her and said he liked her music. He said she responded by hugging him. That sounds ok but I think I would have preferred a hug from Debbie Harry instead.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  285. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    No, Floyd riots have nothing to do with lockdowns. Blacks are humanoid animals & Democrats are corrupted perverts.

    Wow, you’re such a humane and enlightened guy. Ever consider the possibility that black people are – you know – people? And that their personalities and behavior lie along a continuum, as is indeed the case for most peoples? That there are good ones and bad ones, just as is the case for Whites? I’m not saying there aren’t differences in the aggregate. But you’re making a pretty sweeping statement there, Gauleiter.

    There are always black lowlife criminals who get in tussles with the law and wind up dead as a result. They don’t result in three-month long paroxysms of riots, vandalism, and mass-insanity.

    Something different happened in 2020. Society broke. Society was, purposefully, broken.

  286. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Unsurprisingly, our resident annoying idiot, Corvinus, is a lockdown-enthusiast.

    Maybe he wears a gimp-mask too.

  287. @The Anti-Gnostic

    The Slav Squat is more generally the “Asian squat”. It promotes ankle and hip flexibility

    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @MGB
  288. anon[260] •�Disclaimer says:

    “pearls to swine”.

    i could say things.

    here’s a CLUE.

    NO italian has eyebrows like the gallagher brothers. italy won the silver medal in the eyebrow olympics.

    IRE > ITA in the mafia wars.

    check it out rr!

    ireland is now basically the RICHEST country in the world.

    ireland is now basically the RICHEST country in the world.

    ireland is now basically the RICHEST country in the world.

    •�Replies: @BB753
  289. J.Ross says:
    @Mike Tre

    That is fucking hilarious. Neil Strauss’s peg for Eddie Money was that he was a crypto-racist.

    •�Replies: @Steve Sailer
  290. J.Ross says:
    @Unintended consequence

    It’s Pope Francis. The five portals are probably Marx, Engels, Fromm, Foucault, and Gramsci.

  291. @Hail

    I don’t know why “believes in “AGI”” is an exceptionally odd position. That’s not far from the position of the 2024 Physics Nobel Laureate

    SPIEGEL: AI thought leaders like Mustafa Suleyman, Microsoft’s new AI boss, see another red line: He says that with AI we are not developing a tool, but rather a new species into which everything good and also everything bad about humanity flows . As soon as we allow this AI to program itself, i.e. to develop further, it would become dangerous.

    Hinton: That seems entirely possible. Ultimately, this meant the extinction of humanity.

    https://archive.ph/xTNy0

    Luigi Mangione is not a midwit, he’s also not a “whiz” much less “genius” for all purpose and concerns.

    He went to a top 20 engineering school, but not top elite. Here’s his Github account, nothing special.

    https://github.com/lnmangione

    But Richard Spencer wouldn’t even know what Github is.

  292. J.Ross says:
    @Mike Tre

    >function of the sex organ
    No, you don’t even need to go there, it’s a back injury, you use your —
    Oh.
    Tell me you’re doing it wrong without telling me you’re doing it wrong.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  293. @Mike Tre

    I’d add that bodybuilders obsessed with physique gains are notorious for poor technique and questionable mechanics. E.g. Bill Pearl’s “Getting Stronger” had some bad exercises.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Rohirrimborn
  294. @Manfred Arcane

    Nietzsche himself failed to live up to blonde beast ideal. Succinctly stated here

    My biggest issue with Nietzsche was his pathetic life: an incel, sickly, destitute, no readership in his sane years.When you look at modern far-right Nietzscheans, it's never the blonde beast or übermensch, it's always someone very much like Nietzsche: unattractive,… pic.twitter.com/meiA7LIu7Z— Johnathan Bi (@JohnathanBi) November 6, 2024

    The combacks from Nietzscheans are not very good

    “Ching ching chong” – Ad hominem
    “I’m the blond beast” – Argument from anecdote
    “You are bi” – Non sequitur

    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  295. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    “Blonde beast ideal” is misstating Nietzschean philosophy. You can be a POW getting smacked with a rifle butt every day and still follow master (versus slave) morality, just like you can adopt master morality and be an underemployed academic with a brain tumor, like Nietzsche.

  296. I wonder what Luigi Mangione would say about this.

    •�Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  297. @YetAnotherAnon

    Biden pardoned one of the judges in the Pennsylvania “kids for cash” scandal. Judges sent innocent teens to prison in return for kickbacks from the corporation that ran the for-profit prisons. And Biden pardons the guy. What evil possesses these people?

  298. •�Replies: @Joe Stalin
  299. Steve Sailer says: •�Website
    @J.Ross

    I saw Eddie Money for $5 in a beer hall in Houston in about 1979.

    He was good.

    He was Eddie Mahoney when he was an NYPD cadet a few years before.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  300. @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Always do full squats”

    OTOH the pictures always show some guy without a belly or fat thighs doing it. Higher squats are a lot better than no squats, surely.

    OT, but I was looking at the wiki of the late Christopher Meyer, former UK Ambassador to Washington (his wife is in the news after calling an Asian guy ‘Lord Poppadom’ and touching a black MPs hair – she’s a walking iSteve content generator).

    Meyer, when asked (in an interview with the BBC) “Which foreign government has the most influence on Washington?”, unequivocally responded: “Israel.” When he was then asked “And then?”, he said, “Well, in the hit parade I think Israel is in a class of its own…”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p03js1wl

  301. Former stripper, murder convict Crystal Mangum finally confesses to lying about being raped by Duke lacrosse players in 2006

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-news/former-stripper-murder-convict-crystal-mangum-confesses-to-lying-about-being-raped-by-duke-lacrosse-players-in-2006/

    •�Thanks: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  302. @JohnnyWalker123

    I remember when a survey in London found that 80% of muggings in London were committed by black males, some race hustler opined that it was only based on victim reports – as if people who were mugged by a white guy would then say the mugger was black.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/mugging-is-it-a-black-and-white-issue-1590337.html

    •�Replies: @prosa123
  303. @J.Ross

    Heh. It being Francis, I was gonna say they are the mouth, the anus, the mouth again, the anus again, and then the anus one more time as a bonus round.

    •�LOL: deep anonymous, J.Ross
  304. @rebel yell

    “Judges sent innocent teens to prison in return for kickbacks from the corporation that ran the for-profit prisons. And Biden pardons the guy. What evil possesses these people?”

    Hmm, depends. How did the judge spell his name?

    •�Replies: @Manfred Arcane
    , @Lugash
  305. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail

    https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/alleged-ceo-shooter-luigi-mangione

    Alleged CEO Shooter Luigi Mangione Was Radicalized by Pain
    A journey through his online footprint and influences
    The Only Robert Evans
    Dec 10, 2024

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/luigi-mangione-gray-tribe-manifesto-twitter-brian-thompson-b2663767.html
    https://archive.is/BnBpB

    The very online ‘gray tribe’ philosophy of alleged UnitedHealthcare killer Luigi Mangione
    The man accused of killing Brian Thompson had an extensive social media history that makes his worldview very clear, writes Io Dodds
    Friday 13 December 2024

    […]
    ”Increasingly looks like we’ve got our first gray tribe shooter, and boy howdy is the media not ready for that,” wrote the journalist and extremism expert Robert Evans, who analysed Mangione’s online life earlier this week.

    There’s no single accepted name for this loose, extremely online subculture of bloggers, philosophers, shitposters and Silicon Valley coders. “The gray tribe” is one term; ”the rationalist movement” is another.

    •�Thanks: Hail
  306. MGB says:
    @Trinity

    Smyth also did a great cover of Its Just Like You, originally by Paul Revere and the Raiders.

    •�Replies: @MGB
    , @Trinity
  307. @Reg Cæsar

    Hopefully featuring the emcee for the evening, Morrie Tourey!

  308. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    John Hinkcley is a diagnosed schizophrenic.
    ==
    It is my opinion (based on many years of experience)
    ==
    Chuckles. And wagers Mangione has no diagnosis which would impair culpability.

  309. Art Deco says:
    @prosa123

    Just north of a million people in the Genesee Valley, with urban and suburban tract development around 600,000. Comparable to Omaha.

  310. Mike Tre says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    That’s an excellent point. Ronnie Coleman is wheelchair bound the last I heard (I could be wrong, don’t care enough to check). The problem I see at the gym is that a lot of young people are clearly watching bodybuilder videos to learn how to lift – open grip pressing, extremely heavy barbell curls, round back rows, using wrist straps for cable pulldowns, and just camping out on the universal cable machine are some pretty good indicators.

  311. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Mine is that I spent decades working in forensic psychiatry settings in various countries.
    ==
    No one knows you’re a pig on the internet.
    ==
    The last time you invoked your expertise in such matters was to tell us that no one could possibly have infiltrated a federal jail and strangled Jeffrey Epstein.

    •�LOL: J.Ross
    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  312. Mike Tre says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He and Mickey Rourke should be a hard lesson to Irish men that plastic surgery is a bad idea:

    He looks like a lesbian woman auditioning for a panel spot on The View.

    •�LOL: bomag, AnotherDad
    •�Replies: @Trinity
    , @MGB
  313. MGB says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    One of the local produce farms employs Vietnamese women to do the field work. 10 hours a day or more in the squatting position. Don’t know if they wind up like professional baseball catchers in the end. The older ones I’ve seen still appear nimble.

  314. bomag says:
    @Patrick in SC

    He wanted to get caught.

    Yeah, view it as extreme thrill seeking: getting away with it while being sloppy gets more thrill than getting away with it using careful planning.

    And the thrill of trial/judicial institution navigation is a thrill to those so unhinged.

  315. @The Anti-Gnostic

    You’ve obviously considered the competing factors and made a reasonable judgment. Good, go with that!

  316. Jack D says:
    @Mike Tre

    I disagree with AD about a lot of things (mostly the Joo Question) but I think he was reasonably clear here and not obfuscating. Liability coverage does not pay you, the owner of the vehicle but is paid to the “other” driver – the person whom you hit. It is mandatory (in most states) so that when you are hit another driver, you have an avenue for recovery for your injuries other than the impecunious worthless ass of the other driver and it is fair and reasonable that the gubmint make you buy this insurance as a condition of letting you out on the road.

    Even so, the state required minimum coverage has not kept up with inflation and many drivers drive without insurance anyway. I was recently looking at my auto policy (premiums have jump since the Era of Biden and Floyd) and two of the largest costs are “underinsured” and “uninsured” motorist coverage.

    The way this works is this. In PA (many states are similar), the state required minimum bodily injury liability cover is $15,000 per person and $30,000 per accident and for property damage liability: $5,000 per accident. You are driving your brand new $50k automobile down the street and Jamalia T bones you and your SUV is totaled. Even worse, you are badly injured and miss many months of work. Jamalia either has the above coverage (underinsured) or maybe she failed to pay her premium and doesn’t have any (uninsured). So you are entitled to claim under YOUR insurance policy for the difference up to whatever limits you have set (e.g. $250/500k). In the current year, having $5k of property damage coverage when the average new car costs close to $50k is more or less the same thing as not having any coverage at all.

    •�Agree: trevor
    •�Thanks: bomag
  317. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Medical “insurance” isn’t pure “insurance” at all. Insurance is supposed to protect you from unknown large catastrophic risk – your car is totaled in a collision. Your car insurance doesn’t pay if you need new windshield wipers.

    The reason it exists in the US in the 1st place goes back to the wage freeze of WWII. Massive war spending would have unleashed a Biden like inflationary surge so the government froze wages and prices instead. Employers were not allowed to lure workers by offering them pay raises. But fringe benefits were not capped so large employers starting offering things like health insurance on top of the frozen wages. In those days, there was not much that medicine could do for you and health insurance was a minor cost anyway.

    Health insurance has a “catastrophic” element to it, but most of the money that flows thru the system (with a lot of friction as the health ins. cos skim a lot of the $ on the way) is for routine care for which you should be paying out of pocket. Your annual health checkup is not an unknown large catastrophic risk, it is an expected expense like new tires for your car.

    “Obamacare” should have encouraged the issuance of true catastrophic health insurance that would cover you if, heaven forbid, you were stricken by some costly illness but instead it did the opposite and mandated coverage of every conceivable condition, ensuring that the premiums would be very high. Imagine how much your car insurance would cost if it included coverage for all repairs and maintenance and car owners had no incentive to skimp because any costs would be covered by insurance?

    •�Thanks: J.Ross
    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Ralph L
  318. Trinity says:
    @Mark G.

    I read a book about Debbie Harry a few years ago where she claimed to have caught a ride with someone who she thought was Ted Bundy. IF my memory serves me right Harry claimed she narrowly escaped out of Bundy’s car?? I don’t recollect IF Bundy ever drove his Bug through the Big Apple 🍎? Lol. Harry also described how David Bowie would often expose himself to male or female. Interesting read but I don’t think Debbie was abducted by Terrible Ted. There was a serial killer, one Richard Cottingham aka Times Square Serial Killer who had killed several woman in the NYC area from 1972-1980. Amazingly this guy worked in the same office with Rodney Alcala aka The Dating Game Serial killer. So maybe Harry ran into the dark haired Alcala instead, who knows? Harry was alright in the looks department but I would take a young Stevie Nicks or Linda Ronstadt any day. IF Joan Jett would have had a nice feminine body instead of a Butch body, she would have been gorgeous in her day. Beautiful face, what a shame for the guys. Harry also claimed she was raped at knifepoint in her bio by an intruder. The book is titled, Face It. Good read for anyone interested in the Seventies/Eighties, the music of the time, NYC of that time period.

  319. @Jack D

    All true, but the problem is that with insurance, prices for medical care in the US have gotten completely out of control.

    Then if government services like the VA or prison medical departments or state hospitals, or the army want to attract competent doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals, they have to offer salaries that are competitive to the private sector.

    Was just reading today about how the government health services in the Dominican Republic are financially strained because 30,000 Haitian women per year are having babies in the DR on the public purse. In one hospital near the border 100% of the births are Haitian babies. (And you think the US is being bankrupted by immigrants?)

    Apparently the average cost of giving birth in Haiti is $200, but more in the DR. A friend of mine has a 12 year old daughter born by Caesarian in the DR in a private clinic. The total bill was US $6500, but insurance covered $6300. The family’s medical insurance bill was $150 per month.

    People in the US don’t mind paying a significant percentage of their payroll earnings in medical insurance and automobile insurance, which also contains a portion of medical insurance, but they want to the insurance companies to pay for their medical care in exchange.

    (It is interesting to note that in the UK the National Health Service provides trauma services and ambulance for people injured in traffic accidents free of charge, although the NHS may be able to recuperate the cost from the insurance company of the at-fault driver.)

    Employers don’t mind paying for Worker’s Comp, but they want the insurance companies to pay out if people are injured on the job.

    In 2023 the average health insurance premium in the US for a non elderly family was $23,968 which represents about 11% of income. This does not even include the employer’s contribution or the medical component of driver’s insurance.

    What the insurance companies in the US need to do is to progressively bargain down the price of health care to reasonable levels on behalf of policy holders.

    Some years ago my wife was involved in a small traffic wreck and was taken to the hospital in an ambulance called by the police, (which was actually within walking distance of a hospital located at the exit where the accident occurred) because of pain in her arm.

    The insurance on the car paid for 80% of the medical costs, but the hospital billed the insurance company $6000 for the ambulance, so the copay was still $1200. (Clearly the insurance company should have bargained the price down to a much lower level and then they would not have had to pay out $4800 for an ambulance–if they in fact did.)

    In the event my wife had an X-ray and there was no injury, and she was sent home with a couple of Tylenol and a huge bill. In another country she would probably have gone to the Emergency Room in a taxi for $2 and paid $30 for an X-ray without involving insurance at all.

    If insurance companies tamely agree to pay $6000 for a 1/4 mile ambulance ride instead of negotiating vigorously on behalf of their customers, then it is no wonder that health care pricing is completely out of control in the US.

    Killing health care executives is probably not a viable strategy, but such events do serve to remind residents of the US that there is a huge problem with the cost of healthcare for people too young for Medicare.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  320. J.Ross says:

    OT — A nameless Bosniak summarizes a podcast from a Syrian commander describing the recent events, video below more tag so as not to throw off page load.
    The Fall of Bashar – from a Syrian Army officer’s perspective
    Seems pretty legit. The officer is a Christian senior commander of division 4
    2nd december
    >betrayal
    >nobody understands what’s going on
    >erdogan has alzh[e]imers like biden, no one knows who’s in charge of turkey
    3rd december
    >russians brokered a deal with turks to get the insurgents to release 600 SAA officers encircled in aleppo
    >he wants tulsi gabbard in charge of US national security (?)
    >professionalism and logistics of al nusra is unprecedented
    >al nusra mercs paid $1500 a month, SAA troops $50
    >we look like the militia compared to them
    >diplomatic efforts needed to tell turkey to recall their dogs
    >israel will get al qaeda on [its] borders and they seem okay with that
    >HTS saying they welcome an israeli embassy the day they take damascus
    >HTS majority uyghur, tajik and turk, some from pakistan and so on [recent arrivals?]
    >he thinks trump will help syria
    >large number of arab tribal leaders in the north joined forces with SAA and support the syrian army
    4th december
    >hama has fallen
    >most iraqi factions willing to come to our aid
    >israel: if iran takes over or if al nusra reaches damascus they will take 10 km of the golan as a buffer zone
    >russians being sly, they could be doing much more
    >hezbollah arrives, they have done a fantastic job
    >today we had 7 minutes of radio jamming (huge), frightening
    5th december
    >don’t understand unexplained withdrawals
    >we had the upper hand in homs, yet we were ordered to withdraw and left 70 fully operational tanks
    >officers knocking their heads in frustration over the orders to withdraw
    >division four refuses to withdraw
    >nobody knows if the withdrawing orders are coming from the president
    8th december
    >damascus taken
    >israel destroyed half of damascus today
    >israel wants chaos, took all golan heights today

    [MORE]

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  321. Taylor Swift is 35 today. Tick, tick, tick…

  322. @Mike Tre

    “Auto insurance–the liability side–is required in most states … for other drivers. ”

    and WTF does this even mean? Liability auto insurance is required for all drivers, not “other drivers” (LOL)

    Mike, you’re probably right, I did a crappy job describing my point with that sentence. But it is a fairly clear point. (As Jack delves into.) The insurance that states actually require is liability to cover other drivers using the road from your screwup, hurting them or wrecking their car (or hitting something else). States do not–that I’m aware of–mandate coverage for damage you, your car.

    That strikes me as entirely reasonable. If I’m driving and you smack into me, you should pay for that and not even be on the road it you can not pay for it. And vice versa. Actually we need more enforcement of it. A problem on the road now because of immigration loons and BLM loons is we have lots of lawless, mediocre drivers out there smacking into people and … totally unaccountable financially when they do.

    ~~~

    Again, I have no particular love for insurance companies or really any of the finance blob or bureaucracy blob.

    But
    A) The risk sharing function here is pretty obvious; there are a bunch of potentially expensive things in life–fire, hurricane, car accident, cancer, heart surgery, early death with kids still at home, etc. etc.–that may not happen to you but can. You pay continuously, so if it happens to you, the financial hit is covered, or at least managable.

    B) The alternative to insurance is either that people are ass kicked by these devastating losses or the government–i.e. the taxpayers–cover them … i.e. your “premium” comes as higher taxes. Home burns down, the state rebuilds it. You get cancer, the state pays for treatment. You die with kids at home the feds give you wife gets an income stream until the last kid is 18.

    But that doesn’t alter the fact that some bureaucracy–now the government bureaucracy–decides your compensation, and whether you get any at all. Someone is still doing what the insurance company does. And government bureaucracies are not usual known as being vanguards of efficiency or responsiveness. You have only one choice–them.

    Furthermore, with the state you get potential issues of political allocation. And with the subordination of the public, the nation to minoritarian ideology that may not be so great.

    An example, remember back in the 80s, the “experts” declared AIDS was the greatest threat to mankind, the greatest crisis of our time. AIDS gobbled up medical research money. Every project had to have an AIDS angle. Expensive “drug cocktail” therapies were invented and AIDS patients were dropped on the taxpayers’ dime. One of the least worthy uses of taxpayer money one can think of. This all for a disease that was entirely generated by degenerate lifestyles and absolutely no threat to normies. In fact, having no treatment and letting the disease take its natural course would have been better for society and improved behavior.

    So yeah, I’m fine hating on insurance companies. But getting rid of them does not magically fix the risk sharing issue and would certainly even further empower the super-state and likely end up making things worse.

  323. @Art Deco

    The last time you invoked your expertise in such matters was to tell us that no one could possibly have infiltrated a federal jail and strangled Jeffrey Epstein.

    I have not changed my opinion on that. The official verdict was suicide by hanging.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Curle
    , @oldfarmerbrown
  324. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The official verdict was suicide by hanging.
    ==
    From a top bunk.
    ==
    Mr. Epstein was somewhat taller than Verne Troyer. Supposedly supplied with disposable paper sheets. He managed to break his hyoid bone. Funny thing about his cell mate being transferred elsewhere, about the two security guards asleep on the job, and about the failing security camera outside his cell.
    ==
    Be sure to tell Caesar Goodson and Derek Chauvin that coroners are incapable of lying. I’m sure they’ll be reassured.

    •�Agree: MGB
    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Mr. Anon
  325. muggles says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Lol. Medicine [sic] is a hoax. Excepting surgeons, of course.

    Health = diet + movement. Period.

    Of course, you are free to believe anything you like.

    But if you get cancer, MS, lupus, malaria, and literally thousands of other diseases you may learn something else.

    Your claimed belief is about circa 3000 BCE stuff. Even then smarter people sought out medicines, herbs, poultices, etc.

    Medicines can be both preventative or curative. Sometimes both.

    There is no Magic Diet. And “Movement” won’t cure cancer or AIDS, etc.

    There sometimes isn’t any Magic Medicine either. For some things. Some is palliative or just prevents pain, etc.

    I guess you never heard of infection or antibiotics. Infection was a huge of not the major killer prior to antibiotics, penicillin, etc.

    Believe any fairy tales you want. Just don’t try that at a cancer clinic full of patients. Your Yoga and Veganism cure isn’t going to be a huge seller.

  326. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    verdict

    There was no ‘verdict’ as in a challenged proceeding. The Justice Dept. did not challenge the Medical Examiner’s report. Epstein’s attorney’s challenged its conclusion in public but to the best of my knowledge never challenged it in any legal forum. It remains, as far as I can tell with minimum research, the conclusion contained in a medical examiner’s report unchallenged by DOJ, nothing more or less.

  327. Curle says:
    @Anonymous

    When I traveled long distances to attend college in another state my roommate had done the same in another direction. He had albums from bands I’d never heard of. Same with another freshman who’d been living in UK. Clash?? Who are they? I think radio markets were very different back then. In fact, my family had only moved to the city I came from three years earlier and the radio markets were completely different from my prior hometown when I got there.

  328. Trinity says:
    @MGB

    She had a whole lotta voice for a little woman for sure. Her cover of Whole Lotta Love on The David Letterman Show is still on YouTube. Read some comments suggesting that her take is even better than the original. Ronstadt and Elvis would often OWN covers making the original version pale in comparison. Pat Benatar was another tiny 1980s female singer with a whole lotta voice as well. The 1970s and 1980s had some great female singers. Only one now that can compare is Carrie Underwood who does a GREAT cover of the GnR classic , Welcome To The Jungle. Her take is as awesome as Smyth’s cover of Whole Lotta Love.

    •�Replies: @MGB
  329. Trinity says:
    @Mike Tre

    Both were handsome guys when they were younger. The Irish ☘️ don’t age well but everyone gets older. Jagger and the American Poor Man’s Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler look even more lesbian like than Eddie or even the disfigured Rourke. Last time I checked neither Tyler nor Jagger were Irish. When you hit your 70s and even 80s like Jagger, just accept Father Time, it happens.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  330. @MEH 0910

    Allegedly he was an Astral Codex Ten reader.

    •�Replies: @Hail
  331. Unz has got to drop this guy from the site. These posts are retarted.

    •�Replies: @duncsbaby
  332. @YetAnotherAnon

    “Taylor Swift is 35 today. Tick, tick, tick…”

    Her world tour clocked in with something like $2 billion in ticket sales, and she was already fabulously rich beforehand. Pretty sure she can afford to pay a large army of nubile Swifties to happily surrogate for her, plus all the dee-luxe private estates to raise the Stepford babies on. With that kind of money, Taylor could afford to repopulate all of white America single-handedly. She better get crackin’. Or cracker-in’.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Curle
  333. @Jonathan Mason

    Epstein’s employer, ( CIA ), gave him a new nose, re-shaped his ears , gave him the best fake- IDs in the business , and a generous income for life in Latin america somewhere; just like they did with thousands of other undercover agents they had in governmental and criminal organizations. Otherwise how could they possibly recruit the people they need. e.g. “Mr. Epstein , you do understand that we have to kill you if you are ever found out.” or ” Mr. Valachi, you realize the entire Mafioso will kill you if you testify against them.”

    •�Replies: @Curle
  334. @AnotherDad

    “You die with kids at home, the feds give you wife gets an income stream until the last kid is 18.”

    You are assuming, rather science-fictionally, that any native-born American kid these days can actually leave home at 18 and get a ground-floor job that pays sufficient to live independently, that doesn’t involve rough trade. That world has been destroyed. With immigrants taking all the first-time-ever high-school-kid burger-flipping jobs — immigrants even deliver newspapers! (assuming there still are any newspapers, has anyone checked?) — this is just not possible.

    The only entry-level job an American 18-year-old can get is as an Antifa enforcer goon living in a squat with a bunch of other meth-heads, financed on the DL by (((Our Best-est Friends Forever))).

    •�Replies: @Felpudinho
  335. @Trinity

    Patty Smyth was also supposedly on the short list to replace David Lee Roth in Van Halen.

  336. MGB says:
    @Mike Tre

    it’s not just the surgery. wearing rocker gear when you’re over 40 makes you look older, and not to be taken seriously. as they say, there is no fool like an old fool.

    •�Agree: Mike Tre
  337. @Henry's Cat

    Crystal Mangum finally confesses

    Willie Mangum, another Tar Heel, almost became president when John Tyler narrowly escaped an explosion.

  338. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    People in the US don’t mind paying a significant percentage of their payroll earnings in medical insurance and automobile insurance, which also contains a portion of medical insurance, but they want to the insurance companies to pay for their medical care in exchange.

    I don’t think that they “don’t mind”. They don’t really have a choice. Sure if you are paying $1,000+ per month then you expect them to pay for most things large and small but it’s really a bad bargain for 2 reasons –

    First, it takes away incentives – if your wife knew that the ambulance ride was $6k and she was paying she would have just called an Uber. The ins. co. doesn’t care either because they just pass in thru in higher premiums. No one has any incentive to control costs so they just keep going up and up.

    2nd because a lot of the $ gets lost along the way – you send the insurance co. a premium check and much of that gets lost in administrative costs and profit for the ins. co. and the amount that they actually pay in claims is a lot less than they collect in premiums. So it’s not going into health care at all.

  339. J.Ross says:

    OT — So, yeah, that fake and gay fed op that everyone said was a fake and gay fed op turned out to have been a fake and gay fed op. And thank god. After all, as part of the fake and gay fed op, the FBI refused to investigate feds posing as rioters and one pipe bomber (thus proving it was a fed)– so imagine if it had been a real pipe bomber?

  340. @Anonymous

    Even among the consensus greats – Beatles, Motown, Stones, Aretha Franklin, Elvis, Michael Jackson-there are songs/albums that hit big in one country but not the other. Can anyone point me to a good observer who tried to explain this phenomenon?

    Might just be the local DJs’ preferences. “Time of the Season” was heavily pushed by a sole Seattle jock, after the Zombies had broken up no less. “Moonlight Feels Right” broke through in Birmingham, one of hundreds of markets the band took it to– but only after a six-month delay, as they thought the song seasonal.

    The Cowsills slipped the actual acetate– a risky move, as that was the only existing recording– of “Hair” anonymously to WLS in Chicago (that city being the king of nighttime AM radio, for radiogeographical reasons), where it became an instant sensation. MGM had opposed its release, but immedately changed its mind.

    In all these cases, the songs spread to become continent-wide hits. But in other instances, the spread may be spottier, or the popularity restricted to one city.

    So “Moonlight” was a Georgia band’s song about Maryland that broke in Alabama. “Dirty Water” poked fun at Boston, but the Standells were from L.A. and had never been there.

  341. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    What is your point? What is his point?

    When Hamas invade Israel on 10/7 with Iranian sponsorship, Iran thought that it was going to remake the map of the Middle East and it did, just not in the way that they thought.

    Israel had little trouble with Assad himself. The border with Syria has been calm for 50+ years. Assad gave lip service to hating Israel but in practice he did nothing against it. Israel frequently attacked Hezbollah and Iranian targets in Syria but not the Assad regime itself.

    However, Israel’s attacks on those who made war upon it (and Ukraine’s attacks on the same) destabilized the 3 props that were upholding the Syrian regime (Iran, Hezbollah and Russia) and the 4th leg (the Syrian Army, which was not very good to begin with) could not support the table of the Assad regime by itself.

    Remember that most of the countries that occupy the former Ottoman Empire (including the still fictional “Palestine”, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq) are fake countries that never actually existed, made up of a bunch of different tribes and religions that all hate each other. It is difficult to rule such artificial “countries” democratically because they don’t really belong in one country to begin with. Either you have a brutal dictatorship or you have chaos. There is no stable formation in between. “Syria” is just a bunch of lines on a map that Sykes and Picot drew at lunch one day.

  342. @Anonymous

    …there are songs/albums that hit big in one country but not the other.

    Could just be how they’re marketed. A song, for instance, would be released as a single in one country but not another. The label in country B may be significantly more, or significantly less, interested than the original label in country A is.

    While we were watching Level 42 on MTV years ago, a German friend remarked how puzzling it was that we’d known nothing of this band before, as they were huge in Europe. I told him that this was their first attempt over here. Cheap Trick was bigger in Japan than here for a while.

    The California-born acts Sparks and the Flamin’ Groovies were much bigger in Britain and France, respectively, than at home.

    Um fato engraçado: Carmen Miranda came to Brazil as a baby, but never took out citizenship. She evidently had issues with the land she came to represent to the world.

  343. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    If you’re looking for a Jewish angle, you’re going to be disappointed; Michael Conahan is the judge’s name. As I’ve said before, the Irish cronyism and corruption in northeastern Pennsylvania can be every bit as bad as the Jewish tendencies that get so much more press here on Unz. Biden pardoning Conahan is pure old-fashioned cronysism in the old Tammany Hall tradition.

    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  344. @YetAnotherAnon

    Taylor Swift is 35 today. Tick, tick, tick…

    Are you suggesting she should have been nominated, rather than the entity she endorsed?

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    She was born in the swingiest swing state!

  345. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Health = diet + movement. Period.

    The rest is superstition and placebo

    Before discovery of antibiotics couples commonly had many children and watched the majority of them die before they reached adulthood. Poor Tiny Tim. An autoimmune disease like type 1 diabetes led with no hope to a lingering death. improvements in sanitation probably saved more lives than antibiotics.

  346. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The “back pain” preventing any intimacy sounds like it might be horseshit.

    How would that be horseshit? Have you ever hurt your back? If your back hurts then you don’t want to move…..at all.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  347. @Jack D

    I largely agree but it’s worse than you say. You have to bear in mind that insurance is a highly regulated business, and the profit margins regulators allow insurers are typically a percentage of their costs. So the insurers actually have a perverse incentive to acquiesce in or even encourage escalating costs and even price gouging, because inflated costs lead to larger profits for the insurers.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  348. @Jack D

    I don’t think that they “don’t mind”. They don’t really have a choice. Sure if you are paying $1,000+ per month then you expect them to pay for most things large and small but it’s really a bad bargain for 2 reasons –

    First, it takes away incentives – if your wife knew that the ambulance ride was $6k and she was paying she would have just called an Uber.

    Oh give me a break. No one wants an ambulance ride unless they need one. It’s a rare event and should be covered.

    Even you wanted to incentivize alternative transportation you could do it without a $6k bill.

    Make the ambulance bill exactly twice the cost of cab.

    There you go.

    These “free market” justifications only show that the system doesn’t make any sense. Ambulances can be public just like the police. That is how the rest of the world does it.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  349. @Mike Tre

    “I completely tore my distal biceps tendon off my radius a couple years ago.”

    A direct consequence of your steroid enjoyment. Steroids let your (fake fraudulent) muscle strength exceed tendon and ligament strength – and POP 🎶 goes the tendon 🎶 I outlift all the natural bros at the gym and never have to worry about a blown tendon like the roided-up bros. Pure natty feels good, man.

    •�LOL: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @Mike Tre
  350. prosa123 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I remember when a survey in London found that 80% of muggings in London were committed by black males

    I don’t believe that for a micro-second. It’s more likely 80% Pakistani.

    •�Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    •�Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  351. he’s a fanook. based on what i’ve seen so far.

    New York does not have the death penalty.

    he might even enjoy prison lol

  352. …big in one country but not the other. Can anyone point me to a good observer who tried to explain this phenomenon?

  353. Jack D says:
    @John Johnson

    Did you read Jonathan’s post? That’s exactly what happened. She didn’t really “need” an ambulance but the cops sort of talked her into taking one.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
  354. @Art Deco

    People manage to hang themselves successfully from door knobs and from shower faucets. Happens all the time. Put the noose around your neck, anchor it to the bunk framework, and jump with your knees up, and you will break your neck.

    Many years ago I knew of a young woman who had made a suicide attempt by trying to cut the veins and arteries in her arms.

    She was stopped, and her wounds were well bandaged. She was placed on one to one observation, meaning that she had somebody with her at all times, even when she went to the bathroom.

    One day she hanged herself in the shower. She was dead in a minute and the person accompanying her tried to save her and called for help, all to no avail.

    How did she do it?

    She partially unwrapped a bandage from her left arm, and quickly wrapped it around the shower head, and then round her neck, and then jumped. That simple. Dead within a minute.

    Paper sheets are plenty strong enough. You can even weave a rope from toilet roll that is strong enough to hang yourself.

  355. @John Johnson

    She could get on top or you could get a blowjob.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
  356. Lugash says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    He actually says 66 and 67, but I can’t my memory is any better. I remember that line really well, but I thought he also said something like ‘after that, all of the crazies got in’. Looking at the script Peter Fonda doesn’t say that, but mentions the memory felt like a dream. I like the way I remember it, it was like a proto-iSteve moment.

  357. Lugash says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The two judges were Michael Conahan and Mark Ciavarella. They were part of a blanket pardon for people who didn’t get into trouble when released to house arrest for Covid. Biden admin incompetence?

    I don’t agree with the ‘anti-carceral state’ goofs on anything other than private prisons should be banned.

  358. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    He lived through a historical event and is describing as first-person history what it was like day by day.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  359. Ralph L says:
    @Jack D

    Obamacare, like Hillarycare before it, was designed to crash the private insurance system for middle incomes, making single payer–government rationing–attractive to more people and likely to pass. Instead, it’s costing the insured and the taxpayer more and more with little cost control.

    It’s been a great deal for me (thank you all), because premium subsidies and the out of pocket maximum are based on taxable income, not assets. Signing up for next year, I realized the less generous policy will take a big chunk of my expected higher income. Perverse incentives for us low income people with imperfect health.

  360. prosa123 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    People manage to hang themselves successfully from door knobs and from shower faucets.

    For example, Robin Williams.

  361. MB says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    We have 26 known FBI informants participating in the J6 riot aka insurrection.
    Stay tuned. There will be more to come.
    (Like when is a limited hangout not a limited hangout. Asking for a fugitive from just-us.)

  362. @Jonathan Mason

    She could get on top or you could get a blowjob.

    LOL you have never had a serious back injury then.

    Even a blowjob will cause pain. Your body tightens when you orgasm.

    What you are trying to do most of the time is not move so your back can heal. You’re not thinking about sex. You are wondering if you will have permanent damage.

    •�Replies: @hhsiii
  363. @Jack D

    Did you read Jonathan’s post? That’s exactly what happened. She didn’t really “need” an ambulance but the cops sort of talked her into taking one.

    So what?

    We should simply default to the ambulance and of course there will be cases where it wasn’t needed. Currently there are cases where it is needed but people will drive with even something like a heart attack to save money. That is insane and you can go verify that happens with a first responder. Everyone in the medical world has crazy stories about people trying to avoid hospital bills. We had someone show up at our local walmart for “pills” because he didn’t want to see a doctor. He nearly collapsed in the store.

    Most medical workers (doctors, nurses, medics) think these “free market” arguments are a load of horseshit. It’s the insurance industry that wants to keep the status quo.

    •�Replies: @James B. Shearer
  364. A federal appeals court upheld a criminal conviction based on the illegal possession of a short-barreled shotgun and a suppressor.

    William Kirk discusses the newly filed lawsuit of Matthew J. Platkin v. Glock Inc., yet another attempt by a blue state to hold a manufacturer accountable to the unforseen and illegal acts of third parties. But this lawsuit has some far more salacious allegations than its Chicago counterpart which makes this suit much more dangerous.

    William Kirk points out that a reschedule can occur for many reasons, one of which is to consolidate the case with casees of same or similar issues.

    •�Replies: @Pericles
  365. @Reg Cæsar

    “Might just be the local DJs’ preferences.”

    To this day I am flabbergasted that some Wokester rock journalist has never written a biography of Tom Wilson, the Black 60s record producer who discovered Sun Ra, created the rock n roll version of Dylan (produced “Like a Rolling Stone”), single-handedly created the career of Simon and Garfunkel, (he rescued the despondent already-quit-the-biz S & G from oblivion by remixing “The Sound of Silence” with drums and electric guitar, it was a huge hit, they came back out of retirement to cash in) and signed and produced Zappa/Mothers (he produced “Freak Out!”) *and* the Velvet Underground.

    So a Black dude had a major hand in the birth of electric folk, proto-punk rock, and avant-Zappa rock. And nobody’s ever heard of the guy.

    •�Thanks: MEH 0910
    •�Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Moshe Def
  366. Mark G. says:
    @Anonymous

    “Can anyone point me to a good observer who tried to explain this phenomenon?”

    The reasons may vary by band. I just asked Google AI why the Kinks were much bigger over in Britain than here in America. It said the band had legal difficulties that kept it from touring here several years. Also, their music often favored distinctly British themes and social commentary which didn’t always resonate well with Americans.

    I always liked how very British the Kinks were. Other bands like that came along later and were also bigger in Britain. Some examples might include the Jam, the Smiths and Blur.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  367. @duncsbaby

    “I bet they’re paid informants. They narc on their druggie pals and the narcotics officer lets them off to steal to their hearts’ content.”

    That’s a very plausible explanation, much more so than the copper’s, who probably never did arrest the other perps (“other,” because he was himself a perp).

  368. @Steve Sailer

    “He was head of the Harvard Young Republicans.”

    Yet more reason for someone to have written a bio of him!

    •�LOL: kaganovitch
  369. Curle says:
    @Mark G.

    It said the band had legal difficulties that kept it from touring here several years.

    They didn’t want to use union labor so the corresponding union, Teamsters (?), had the Feds keep them out of the country. Might have been Nixon who did the union’s work for them.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  370. Curle says:
    @oldfarmerbrown

    Epstein’s employer, (CIA) . . .

    Probably Mossad.

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
  371. @Curle

    I just asked Google AI why the Kinks were much bigger over in Britain than here in America. It said the band had legal difficulties that kept it from touring here several years.

    They didn’t want to use union labor so the corresponding union, Teamsters (?), had the Feds keep them out of the country.

    The stated reason was that the Davies brothers got into brawls onstage– with each other*– and that was unprofessional. The domestic unions were getting sick of the competition from the “British Invasion”, which to them actually was an invasion. The Kinks were the easiest target.

    (Drug use could have kept many other bands out, but that would have been epic hypocrisy and cynicism coming from American musicians!)

    Teamsters (?)

    The musicians have their own union, which, if less physical and brutal than the tough guys’ unions, can be even more powerful. They have the power to pull the plug.

    Steve has written about his father-in-law, who represented the players in his orchestra.

    Might have been Nixon who did the union’s work for them.

    In his private practice in NYC? He wasn’t President until January, 1969. Though a friend of Elvis, Nixon did try to keep John Lennon out. (Reagan, in contrast, got along famously with him, in the Monday Night Football booth of all places.)

    I always liked how very British the Kinks were. (Mark G)

    Not at first. The ban turned out to be good for everyone, as they dropped the fake American thrash of their early years for a more authentically English sound. Ray became effectively a rock-and-roll Chesterton, writing about Muswell Hill rather than Notting.

    So the Kinks weren’t (Great) British, but Little English. Important nuance.

    *Other brother bands with similar rocky histories are the Dorseys and the Bachmans. But Ray and Dave managed to stick it out together, despite the occasional fisticuffs.

    •�Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Curle
  372. @YetAnotherAnon

    They are arguably worse than no squats. And lots of big bellied guys do full squats.

  373. Mark G. says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Reagan, in contrast, got along famously with him”

    Fred Seaman, Lennon’s personal assistant the last two years of his life, said recently John was a Reagan admirer and a conservative Republican at the end of his life. He said John would argue with people and take the conservative position.

    I once read that both John and George voted Conservative in a British election in the sixties because of their dislike of high taxes. George even wrote a song, Taxman, complaining about it.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @MGB
  374. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Hey, we finally found an establishment narrative that Art Deco doesn’t believe!

    I remember when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and incarcerated in that federal lock-up in New York. The press reported that he was placed on suicide watch.

    Suicide Watch?!

    How about: Murder Watch?

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  375. Curle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think the Teamsters represented the roadies and venue workers, but I could be wrong.

  376. BB753 says:
    @deep anonymous

    The COVID scamdemic was carefully orchestrated to scare the crap out of senior citizens, particularly the Boomer demographic. They all went: were all gonna die young! Because they never grew up or developed testicles during their long and pampered lives. We all die eventually. Sometimes, the sooner the better, so that the young may live better.

  377. @Mr. Anon

    Generally the protocol in US prisons is that if a person expresses suicidal ideation, they must be seen by a mental health professional and placed on 1:1 observation.

    As those of you who are business people may realize, providing one-to-one observation for 24 hours a day 7 days a week will run up considerable overtime bills and lead to exhausted staff.

    Therefore, if the person concerned then the states on (say) Monday morning that he or she is no longer suicidal, then the 1:1 observation will be discontinued.

    A person like Epstein cannot be put on one-to-one observation for the entirety of their detention simply because they are high profile inmates.

    An intelligent person like Epstein could easily lie about being suicidal so as to get the one-to-one observation removed.

    Mistakes were made in the Epstein case. He was supposed to have a roommate at all times, but his roommate was removed and not replaced.

    Removal of roommates is quite common in prisons. The roommate may have to go on the road for a court appearance, have medical treatment, be released, etc.

    For some reason, Epstein was not given an immediate new roommate. Maybe because it was the weekend or because there was nobody suitable available., or because they were waiting for some more elevated prison official to return to duty to make the decision as to who was to go in with Epstein.

    Epstein could have been given bail under certain conditions. He rents a hotel suite and has a private security company to keep an eye on him around the clock and report to the court. He wears a tracking device. He surrenders his passport. He is not allowed to associate with teenagers.

    Strangely at the same prison at the present time the Bitcoin fraud guy is sharing a cell with accused sex criminal and rapper P.Diddy.

    It seems extraordinary that a convicted and sentenced man is sharing a cell with an accused who is on pretrial remand, but I imagine that after the Epstein fiasco the top management of the prison has decided to make special arrangements for high profile prisoners that go well outside the boundaries of the normal regulations.

    It would certainly look bad if one of these two guys offed themselves, would it not? Personally I would prefer to commit suicide than have to share a toilet with P. Diddy, but we all have our standards.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  378. MGB says:
    @Trinity

    Actually, Trinity, your comment fixed my feeble memory. It was Benatar who covered Just Like Me.

  379. BB753 says:
    @anon

    You’ve never met an Armenian, have you?

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  380. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    TS also gave out $200 million in bonuses to the army of people who made her tour a big success. That’s smart.

  381. Steve Sailer sez:

    I don’t need Unz Review now. I struck it
    so rich, I’ve decided to chuck it.
    So long, all you losers, now beggars can choose,
    and I’ve chosen the Substack route. Suck it!

    •�LOL: duncsbaby
  382. @Unintended consequence

    In the way they mean it, opening a door is like breaking a dam that holds back a reservoir of grace.

    Also though, Christ called himself a door (John 10:9), and said that no one comes to the Father but by him (John 14:6); opening a door on Christ’s birthday then would be an intuitive thing to do as a ritual.

    I do not know that there is any particular significance to the number of doors they are opening, if you were curious about that aspect of the number five. (In the Bible, five is of course the number of the Pentateuch, the literary pattern there being chiasmus—ABCBA—which, presumably, is taken from the figure of the hand, whose five digits roughly look that way in their ascending and descending order.)

    The colloquial sense of opening a door of opportunity is also found in the Bible (Isaiah 45:1 and Apoc. 3:8) and the point to make there, I suppose, is that those who rule in the kingdom of God also need worldly assistance.

    Thanks for calling me devout. If I know anything about the Catholic faith that you should know though it is that that guy who calls himself Pope Francis is not the true pope, and the church he governs is not the real Catholic Church. Explaining that is a long story, but I am here to do just that, so let me know if you are interested in hearing more.

    One of my favorite verses in the Bible is Apocalypse 3:20

    Behold, I stand at the door and knock.

    That’s about how Christ knocks at the door of your heart. If you are not a Catholic, I would ask, what is in your heart that made you ask that question about opening portals? You might be surprised to find God speaking to you heart to heart, as they say.

  383. Corvinus says:
    @J.Ross

    “He lived through a historical event and is describing as first-person history what it was like day by day.”

    Citation required. What podcast? Who is this Syrian commander? How credible is this source?

  384. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Agree. The TV competition between Lou Ferrigno and Brian Oldfield from the 1970s is an example of this.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  385. Mike Tre says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “OTOH the pictures always show some guy without a belly or fat thighs doing it.”

    A big bellied fat thigh guy sounds like a prototypical powerlifter. Here’s Jesus Olivares squatting 1053:

  386. Mike Tre says:
    @Trinity

    I come from a huge family of Irish, so I was just being self deprecating. Some of my old uncles aged ok; some look dead already.

    I agree they were both good looking guys back in the day but my point is instead of them looking old and distinguished they look old and creepy because of plastic surgery. Rourke looks alien.

    •�Agree: Trinity
  387. @John Johnson

    “Most medical workers (doctors, nurses, medics) think these “free market” arguments are a load of horseshit. It’s the insurance industry that wants to keep the status quo.”

    The main reason health care costs more in the US is that doctors and nurses are paid more. I expect they want to keep that part of the status quo. But it is convenient for them that people blame the insurance industry.

  388. Mike Tre says:
    @Manfred Arcane

    How many wars have the Irish gotten us into? How many bronze age pagan mutilation rituals have they fostered on the entire public?

    There is no ethnic group innocent of corruption, nepotism or cronyism. What you’re missing is a sense of proportion.

  389. @Jonathan Mason

    BTW, in prisons the pairing of inmates in a cell is usually decided by a Classification Officer.

    To get this job (at least in Florida) he or she does not need to be a trained corrections officer, but needs to have a Bachelor’s Degree or similar level of education and experience.

    The Classifications Officer has access to an inmate’s full case record file, which has lots of information like criminal history, gang affiliation, prison disciplinary records, closeness to release, etc, etc. For example some gangs like the Aryan Folk are antisemitic, so you would not want to put them in a cell with a Jewish fellow like Epstein.

    The Sergeant on a custody wing does not have access to this kind of information, which is why they cannot make decisions about pairing up inmates.

    In a restricted Special Custody wing, there may be a very small choice of the number of possible cell mates. as most will already be paired, and those who are not paired may be unpaired for good reason.

    Epstein’s first bunkie was a former police officer, but typically few inmates fall into that category.

    So, they might have just been waiting for a Classification Officer to be on duty to get a new cellmate for Epstein.

  390. Pericles says:
    @Joe Stalin

    “Access to a waiting list is not access to health care.” – Chief Justice Beverly McLaughlin, Justice John Major, and Justice Michael Bastarache, Chaoulli v Quebec (AG), 2005

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  391. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    The money does not ‘get lost’. The company supplies risk-pooling services, otherwise known as ‘administrative costs’ The insurance business is not exceptionally profitable. The ratio of gross operating surplus to total revenue for private enterprise in this country averages 0.25. For the insurance business, it is 0.22.
    ==
    The big problem you have in the world of medical care and long term care is deadweight loss from the absence of a price system.

  392. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Remember that most of the countries that occupy the former Ottoman Empire (including the still fictional “Palestine”, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq) are fake countries that never actually existed, made up of a bunch of different tribes and religions that all hate each other.
    ==
    They aren’t any more fake than any other country. Political power is geographical in nature. You can argue Britain and France should have drawn the boundaries differently, but there was no way to draw the boundaries without delineating populations in which political society would have to consist of lineages negotiating with each other. They don’t necessarily hate each other or war on each other. NB, the most crippling issues in the Near East have their origins not in traditional social hierarchies but from purveyors of a ‘modern’ outlook seeking to establish a mobilization state. Syria and Iraq have suffered more than any other Arab state (bar Sudan). The source of that was not local grandees, but the Ba’ath Party.

  393. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    People manage to hang themselves successfully from door knobs and from shower faucets. Happens all the time.
    ==
    Thanks for the issue of your imagination.

    •�Replies: @anonymous
  394. Trinity says:
    @Rohirrimborn

    Weird how inept Ferrigno looked in the weightlifting competition. Believe it or not Oldfield’s effort is duplicated on the regular by a lot of non athletic gym bros who do any sort of overhead pressing, push press or jerks. The elite perform strict overhead press(es) with 315-405lbs using absolutely no leg drive. The standing version is actually harder then the seated where the seated bench back braces your back where you don’t have to activate your core. Your average gym bro can probably perform 225lbs for 5 reps on the standing overhead push press today which would probably equate to a 260-270lb max. Shot putters do train the Olympic lifts and do plenty of overhead work but back in Louie’s day the military press and press behind the neck were common exercises. The odd thing about Oldfield was when I saw him pad bench press (common exercise for throwers) and do front squats in an old training video. He barely got a little more than 405 on a pad bench press where you explode a bar off a thick pad covering your chest and his front squats didn’t break parallel and were done off pins in a power rack.

    Regardless of the underwhelming weight room numbers, the guy dunked a 16lb shot, could beat female Olympic sprinters in short sprints and was very athletic. Ferrigno oddly performed better with the baseball hitting contest and cycling events if I remember correctly. He did help with the muscle bound bodybuilder image, I believed after the Superstar contest Louie was offered some tryouts for Canadian football teams. Comparing powerlifting squats to those done by Olympic weightlifters is like comparing a jackass to Secretariat. A lot of these powerlifters are performing half squats with super wide stances that resemble the Good Morning exercise more than a squat. Bodybuilders actually have much better form on barbell back squats than powerlifters on average. Tom Platz who started out in a gym where Olympic weightlifting guys trained was taught how to properly perform a high bar Olympic style back squat. Norbert Schemansky, a guy who medaled in 4 Olympics, ( who is hardly known in America but remembered in the Old Soviet Union countries where Olympic lifting is popular) was one of the guys who showed Platz how to properly squat.

  395. @Jack D

    Remember that most of the countries that occupy the former Ottoman Empire (including the still fictional “Palestine”, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq) are fake countries that never actually existed, made up of a bunch of different tribes and religions that all hate each other. It is difficult to rule such artificial “countries” democratically because they don’t really belong in one country to begin with. Either you have a brutal dictatorship or you have chaos. There is no stable formation in between. “Syria” is just a bunch of lines on a map that Sykes and Picot drew at lunch one day.

    Actually Anthony Scaramucci was saying more or less the same thing in a podcast yesterday.

    His point was that after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, World War I never really ended in those areas.

    This is why the West will tend to tolerate despots like the Assads or Saddam Hussein. If they can keep the lid on intertribal warfare, even by means of torture and the occasional good old massacre, then by all means let them rule.

    In my opinion, these wars have been going on between all the nonpork eaters since the Bronze Age, with intermittent periods of peace when under the control of one empire or another. At any rate, a lot of the people in the mideast have not really moved beyond a Bronze Age mentality.

    Just a few weeks ago at the UN, Netanyahu was quoting the Old Testament about how Yahweh had authorized the Jews to kill every man, woman, and child, dog, cat, chicken, sheep, and goat in the cities of the Amalekites and to wipe their memory from the face of the earth. Shows what a primitive brain the man has.

    (Obviously not all Jews are evil, just the politicians.)

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  396. @Mike Tre

    I don’t have a stake in this game, but my old skepticism towards the notion of intelligence grows by day. Not being an IQ denier, I don’t see it as a well defined ability. There is something in it-but not as dogmatic as frequently stated.

    Putting aside character peculiarities, intelligence is what we usually term words and numbers.

    Words are not thesaurus nor eloquence, but an ability to express ideas in words & erect a verbal structure describing..something..but using imagination, metaphors etc. This is essentially great philosophy.

    Numbers is about mathematics & quantitative ability. It is, close to musical ability, a gift. He who has a knack for it knows. Also, numbers-type people simply like to solve problems, whether there is anything important in them (or not). For instance, most mathematics, even the highest branches, does not enlarge our cognition on anything. It’s like chess- you may be a grandmaster, but it’s just a game, not a window into anything cognitively rewarding.

    In theoretical physics (which uses parts of mathematics) you sometimes get a deep insight into the functioning of a universe through mathematically constructed “problems”. And, frequently not, just marginal issues.

    That is my experience with serious philosophers and mathematicians/physicists. Philosophers are maestros of thinking & curious about everything, but they frequently lose themselves in the linguistic muddle of a mixture of imagination and projection; mathematicians are gifted people in the numbers/geometry areas who, when good/great are impressive at playing tricks which, sometimes, lead to important discoveries. By tricks I mean the famous Gauss’ adding numbers 1 to 1000: 1+1000= 1001; 2+999=1001; 3+992=1001;…500+501= 1001. So, multiply by 500 1001 & you’ll get it. But, it’s just a trick, like in rebuses.

    Philosophers, when good/great possess “depth”, but lack “exactitude” & self-control; mathematicians, when good/great possess inherent “juggling tricks” without anything more in closer areas (with a few exceptions).

    I never encountered a relatively modern book of a great mathematician (Clifford, Poincare, Brouwer,…) about the world that was not essentially shallow & pedestrian; nor of a philosopher that was not a theology in disguise.

    Just a different cast of mind.

  397. Mike Tre says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You’re a riot! I’ve never used anabolic steroids, and I tore my biceps tendon at work. But by all means, please continue. When I’m exposing the stupidity of another commenter, it’s always nice when they do the heavy lifting* for me. 🙂

    *And you’re naturally out lifting everyone here in that regard as well. Congrats.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  398. @Jonathan Mason

    Rope is the most lethal after the gunshot. Cutting is highly overrated, but the best way to go peacefully was taken away from the civilized world by banning barbiturates.

  399. anonymous[180] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    If you don’t believe that’s true, why don’t you try it and see.

  400. Curle says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    What little I know about Swift is a notion, perhaps wrong, that although technically not an music industry nepo-baby, that her dad was connected in the business world, VP at Merrill Lynch, and that such connections and/or acumen helped smooth her way to the top, at least in business dealings.

  401. Curle says:
    @Jack D

    Remember that most of the countries that occupy the former Ottoman Empire (including the still fictional “Palestine”, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq) are fake countries that never actually existed, made up of a bunch of different tribes and religions that all hate each other. It is difficult to rule such artificial “countries” democratically because they don’t really belong in one country to begin with. Either you have a brutal dictatorship or you have chaos.

    Or you have smaller independent regions joined in Union as the pre-war US or you have oligarchy or something like the Hapsburg empire, rule by division. Regardless, you’ve outlined the operating assumption that animated the conquest of the American South and the systematic destruction of local power through the centralizing amendments to the constitution following that event, 14th and 17th amends, etc.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jack D
  402. @JohnnyWalker123

    Haven’t been keeping up, but shouldn’t they add that he also had a back condition – likely genetic and exasperated by injury – that made him impotent? That could be a factor in pushing him off the edge. Also, even if he had issues with his insurance you think his parents could chip in so he could get whatever surgery was needed (assuming there is fancy surgeon that could help).

    Also, apparently, pretty based and not on the woke left. Maybe some Netflix documentary in the future to provide a narrative’.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  403. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    People manage to hang themselves successfully from door knobs and from shower faucets.

    We’re not interested in your private life, Jonathan.

  404. Mr. Anon says:

    OT – Remember, the police and courts are not in the Justice business. They are in the Conviction business:

    Woman who was wrongly jailed at 18 for murdering and mutilating homeless man wins eye-watering payout

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14192791/las-vegas-woman-jailed-murder-homeless-man-kristin-lobato-blaise.html

    She lost her son in the ‘kids for cash’ scandal. Now Biden has granted clemency for the ‘scumbag’ judge she blames for his death

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14192521/Josh-Shapiro-Biden-pardon-Conahan-judge-kids-cash.html

  405. Mr. Anon says:
    @rebel yell

    Those two judges deserve………… well, I won’t say what they deserve. Let’s just say that Luigi Mangione could have chosen better targets.

  406. J.Ross says:
    @Curle

    That true of nearly all of them though, all of them are rich girls who wanted a music career instead of a Porsche for their birthday.

  407. jb says:

    Wow, a truly astonishing NYT article about gang violence in Sweden, written by “a journalist who writes about children’s rights and restorative justice in Sweden”. Excerpt:

    Politicians have laid the blame for the gang violence on Sweden’s generous refugee policies, and the country has moved to tighten its borders. Some on the far right argue that aggressive repatriation of foreigners, particularly Muslims, is the only solution. And in the aftermath of a deadly shooting this past spring, Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson denounced “a kind of inhumane, an animalistic attitude” among the group of youths said to have committed the crime.

    What’s generally lost in that conversation is that Sweden has become the worst in its commitment to reducing economic disparity among the Nordic countries…

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/14/opinion/sweden-gang-violence.html

    Basically what the article is saying is that the root of the gang problem is that the Swedes are insufficiently committed to economic equality. Read the article. But frankly, you can learn more from looking at the “Swedes”in the pictures. (Sadly, comments are not enabled. They would have been entertaining).

    •�Agree: kaganovitch
  408. @BB753

    You’ve never met an Armenian, have you?

    America’s most famous pre-Kardashian, pre-Kevorkian Armenian:

    In real life:

    •�Replies: @Ralph L
    , @kaganovitch
  409. @Mark G.

    I once read that both John and George voted Conservative in a British election in the sixties because of their dislike of high taxes. George even wrote a song, Taxman, complaining about it.

    A couple of the spicier lines are said to have been fed to him by John. Not that George was any less capable of being cynical himself, “Don’t Bother Me” and “If I Needed Someone” being cases in point.

    Harrison complained that he’d made uncredited contributions to Lennon-McCartney songs, which is probably true. But Lennon countered that this worked in both directions.

    “She Loves You” opens with the chorus rather than a verse, which makes all the difference. (Most of their early songs didn’t even have choruses, but “middle eights”.) Whose idea was that? One of their roadies’, I forget which.

    •�Replies: @MGB
  410. Bernard says:
    @James B. Shearer

    Funny, precisely the same thing happened to me but the bill was $32,000. The insurance company ended up paying less than a thousand as did I. There’s still something wrong about that though. If a person is uninsured the price shouldn’t be 15 times higher.

  411. J.Ross says:

    OT — This is probably what the “aliens” are (I’m rejecting the explanation that it’s feds seeking a possible Iranian nuke because feds would let an Iranian nuke go off):

    •�Thanks: MEH 0910
  412. @Curle

    The version I’ve heard about The Legend of Taylor Swift (which I haven’t really dug into, so maybe wrong), is that she started out in the biz very young and didn’t exactly roll out of a double-wide like Tanya; a bunch of rather sharp, connected Nashville types took a good look at her and said to themselves: She’s got some talent and she’s got The Look, with a little effort and some luck it’s perfect, we are going to MAKE her into a star — which I can tell you on firmer ground is exactly how Obama was made into the president. (Lots of us already knew he had been picked to be president back in HLS days.) So then all her early songs were helped a great deal by an inner circle of polished Nashville songwriters, deejays, etc. Somewhere along the way she got going on her own, but by then the booster rockets had already put her into orbit.

    Hey, I’m just glad if somebody is going to be the new manufactured pop cottage industry, it’s a rather talented white chick and not LoQuacious Cee, part 327 and counting. Hmm, btw, why hasn’t some rapper already used that moniker? Dakota, set up a conference call with Rupert and Mare, tell ’em it’s noice.

  413. @JMcG

    Thanks. You might enjoy this link, my father recently sent it to me.

    https://www.nd.edu/stories/a-clash-over-catholicism/

    A Clash Over Catholicism
    Notre Dame students confronted the Ku Klux Klan in 1924

    Published August 2018

    It was May 1924, and the Ku Klux Klan wanted to showcase its power and cement its sudden grip on Indiana politics by holding a picnic and parade in South Bend, the most Catholic area in the state.

    About 500 University of Notre Dame students showed their objections by storming downtown and ripping the hoods and robes off surprised Klan members. As the Klan arrived in trains, buses and cars, the students roughed members up in alleys and stole their regalia for battle trophies. They chased the rest to the Klan headquarters downtown at the corner of Wayne and Michigan streets.

    •�Thanks: JMcG
    •�Replies: @JMcG
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  414. @Curle

    the systematic destruction of local power through the centralizing amendments to the constitution

    The “No Person held to Service or Labour” clause in Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution proper was the original seed of centralization and “destruction of local power”. It takes the very definitions of citizen, free man, and even human being out of the state’s (and thus its citizens’) control, to be decided by outsiders. As with other arguments made by Southerners, such as freedom of association, or the first Thanksgiving, the problem is not the argument itself, which may indeed be solid, but in who is making it.

    We pick on Jews for lacking self-reflection, but they are hardly alone in this. (Maybe this explains the 85%+ support for FDR among both demographics?)

    How is your lawsuit to get federal reparations for your family’s loss of your persons held to service or labour coming along?

    •�Replies: @Curle
  415. MGB says:
    @Mark G.

    He hates you, he loves money
    And he’ll steal your shit and think that it’s funny
    Like the Beatles he ain’t human
    Now the taxman is out to get you

    Cheap Trick – Taxman, Mr. Thief

    •�Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @MEH 0910
  416. Curle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The “No Person held to Service or Labour” clause in Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution proper was the original seed of centralization and “destruction of local power”. It takes the very definitions of citizen, free man, and even human being out of the state’s (and thus its citizens’) control

    Utter nonsense. No state was forced to stay in the Union. All provisions of the Constitution of the UNION were applied to the states solely on those state’s voluntary acquiescence or tolerance of them. When the Chief Executive of the Union first raised an army to enforce his up-to-that-point novel, heavily contested and untested theory of the Union he was rebuffed by those states finding his claims heretical to the agreement of Union. And they were correct.

    Since you’ve stated that you and your family are not natives to this country don’t you think it behooves you to focus your attentions on the bastardization of your birth country’s heritage rather than seeking to pervert the history of your adopted homeland?

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  417. Gc says:
    @Moshe Def

    What would Hitler say? What if he was right? Hitler was not wrong about facts. And he acted like a Roman Emperor based on those facts.

  418. @Curle

    Everyone knows the CIA just does the bidding of its Mossad masters. Do try to keep up.

    •�LOL: Nicholas Stix
  419. @Reg Cæsar

    America’s most famous pre-Kardashian, pre-Kevorkian Armenian:

    Surely that was the late Las Vegas magnate and corporate raider Kirk Kerkorian?

    •�Replies: @Brutusale
  420. @MEH 0910

    “philosophers”? Sounds like b.s. to me.

  421. Steve Sailer says: •�Website
    @MGB

    I loved Cheap Trick.

    •�Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @MGB
  422. Mark G. says:
    @MEH 0910

    I saw Cheap Trick with Pat Benatar opening for them here in Indianapolis in the early eighties. It was one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen.

    Rick Neilsen, Cheap Trick’s guitarist, is a big Beatles fan and you can hear a Beatles influence in their music. They were one of numerous bands over the years labeled “the next Beatles”. None of these bands ever became the next Beatles and it is unlikely that will ever happen, at least commercially. Because of the huge Boomer generation, the average age in America in 1964 was seventeen. The country was filled with teen record buyers. You also did not have the fragmented musical audience you have today. The Beatles were a one time thing.

  423. JMcG says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Now that’s the Church Militant!

  424. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Christie oversaw the prosecution of Trump’s white collar criminal father in law, now ambassador to France.

  425. @Bardon Kaldian

    “does not enlarge our cognition on anything. It’s like chess- you may be a grandmaster, but it’s just a game, not a window into anything cognitively rewarding.”

    A really good chess player can, in a manner of speaking, predict the future: someone reliably capable of seeing twenty moves ahead and cashing in (viz winning) due to this ability can, for all intents and purposes, see into the future. If he can transpose this gift into something other than a board game, is it cognitively rewarding? You betcha.

  426. J.Ross says:
    @Mark G.

    The Beatles embodied the crucial Boomer transition of pop tune crooners from 1 hook 1 trick 1 concept 1 layer advertising jingle 1 hit wonders to “le deep artist making a mindblowing point about religion and society.” You can’t go back and redo that. You can’t even change the cheesy name, which is totally inappropriate in the second mode.

  427. @Mark G.

    I remember hearing the hit version of “I Want You to Want Me” on the radio for the first time as a kid, and thinking to myself, “Hey, that’s great, somebody did a new cover of that old classic. Wait a minute… an old classic by who? Buddy Holly? Who wrote that?”

    Anybody who can write a song and make you think somebody else more famous wrote it 30 years before is a songwriting maestro indeed.

    •�Replies: @Steve Sailer
  428. Moshe Def says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Christ, because of the vague similarity in the structuring of your usernames, I took this post, initially, as coming from Spiritual Works of Mercy, Himself. It had the same comedic effect of “Anti-Pope hit in balls by object”

  429. Nat X says:

    Damn guinea! Save some for us dindoos!!!

  430. @Pericles

    This Canadian man died after a hospital failed to diagnose his torn artery and left him waiting for six hours as a low-priority patient before he gave up, went home, and expired.

    But on the bright side, ABC and little Georgie S have to apologize to DJT and pay $15 million towards his future library.

    https://instapundit.com/690437/

  431. @Mark G.

    Actually Oasis were the new Beatles and were vastly popular in the UK in the next generation.

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
  432. @Anonymous Jew

    Luigi Mangione, accused of the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was never a client of the medical insurer, according to the New City York Police Department.

  433. MGB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Same here. Their first is on my list of best rock albums. Great tracks on the next two as well, but I Want You to Want Me, and Dream Police were dreck. Don’t remember the chronology exactly, but I associate the timing of their creative descent with the release of At Budokan.

    •�Replies: @Steve Sailer
  434. MGB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “She Loves You” opens with the chorus rather than a verse, which makes all the difference. (Most of their early songs didn’t even have choruses, but “middle eights”.) Whose idea was that? One of their roadies’, I forget which.

    May have been Mal Evans. Evans, along with McCartney, and Todd Rungren, produced some of Badfinger’s best songs. (I think Harrison did as well.). In any event, there is a whole lot of tragedy balled up in that group. Badfinger’s lead singer and bassist committed suicide on account of getting screwed financially by their manager, and creatively by other band members. And the cops took care of Mal in CA, iirc, under curious circumstances. His GF called the cops on him after he brandished a starters pistol, or something like that.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  435. Moshe Def says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    >OTOH the pictures always show some guy without a belly or fat thighs doing it
    Sumo squat is ass to grass, but they are heels up, weight on balls of feet. Very different phenotype, but the Indian (scat not scalp) squat is also heels up. Indian (casino not call center) squat is passed out, drunk.

  436. Jack D says:
    @Curle

    Not everything is the US Civil War. The US South was tremendously homogenous compared to the Middle East with its dozens of different tribes, languages, religions, etc.

    The Yankees were amateurs compared to the Ottomans who had kept the Middle East under control for 400 years. Reconstruction in the South didn’t even last 12 years before the Feds lost control of their newly conquered territories. TBH, the British and the French didn’t do much better in the Middle East – they lasted maybe 30 years.

    As Reg points out, the South liked Federal power if that power was used to bring their escaped slaves back from the North. People only care about grand concepts like “state’s rights” when their ox is being gored. If their ox is the one doing the goring they like it just fine.

    •�Replies: @James B. Shearer
  437. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    with intermittent periods of peace when under the control of one empire or another.

    The Ottomans controlled the Middle East for 400 years so that counts as a pretty long intermission.

    The MSM twists Netanyahu’s words as much as they twist Trump’s. That’s NOT what he was saying. The whole “genocide” argument is crap. If Israel really wanted to genocide the Gazans they could have killed 400,000 by now instead of 40,000, or even every last one of them. Did you know that even in the midst of this war, the population of Gaza is STILL going up? Some genocide.

    If Westerners are worried about genocide, they should look in the mirror because they are killing off their own races thru lack of fertility. The cat ladies are the true genocidaires.

  438. @Jack D

    If Westerners are worried about genocide, they should look in the mirror because they are killing off their own races thru lack of fertility. The cat ladies are the true genocidaires.

    The locals here will blame the Jews when every single college in this country has non-Jewish White cat lady professors that do their best to instill White guilt and loathing in their students.

    There are also the pet husbands/beta liberal men that assist in the great cause. These are weak White men that know their side is lying but view themselves as part of some higher class that is trying to save the world from Whites (Wakanda theory). I’ve had them as professors and the amount of spite that emanates from them is overwhelming.

    It is underestimated as to how much damage these professors are causing the country. Our dopey Foxbox conservatives debate on whether or not liberal students should be rounded up for protesting Israel.

  439. @Jack D

    It is decimation rather than genocide.

    But there are standards and then there are standards. If you believe that it is perfectly okay to kill 10 children with bombs to get one terrorist who is hiding out in a school or hospital, then you are doomed to failure.

    Clearly Israel could by now have invaded the whole territory of Gaza, separated all the women and children and elderly men into camps, sterilized all the women, fed the children on pork sausages, and then hunted down and killed all the rest of the men who refused to surrender and no one would have too much of a problem with it.

    At this point it appears that Hamas are somewhat like the French foreign legion in Beau Geste. They are going to fight until the last man is dead, and they will never surrender. So it will go on for years and years.

    •�Thanks: Corvinus
  440. @J.Ross

    Thou shall not take Marx’s and Engels’ name in vain.

  441. @Jonathan Mason

    Your rhetoric is empty. While I object to some matters Israel has done (ban on foreign journalists,…)- this war could have been over had Hamas released the hostages.

    I am not too informed about some of these things simply because I don’t care, but Palestinians refused their state with 92% of the West Bank & east Jerusalem as their capital. Evidently, this is a cast of mind different from rational modern people.

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  442. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    I have a hard time understanding this anti-Catholic bias… I get it during the Reformation, but now, it is kinda odd…

    https://medium.com/@basedpagan/the-evangelical-hatred-for-catholicism-is-just-insane-e1ad9bb02797

    The Evangelical hatred for Catholicism is just insane

  443. Big Bill says:
    @Trinity

    Up on the bow, forward lookout, 12-4 watch, headed south from NYC with a load of containers for Miami, smoking a joint, watching a dozen dolphins weaving intricate phosphorescent contrails in the ocean below my feet, while listening to Dr Buzzard’s Original Savannah Band, the Doobie Brothers or the Eagles on my boom box cassette.

    If there was one time, place, age and attitude I could be reincarnated, that would be it. At 19, the possibilities were endless, reefer was cheap, the girls were beautiful, I had a pocket bulging with a merchant seaman’s cash, and was ready to go anywhere in the world I felt like.

    Like Ishmael, suffering from the sheer grottiness of life ashore, I too have often dreamed I was 19 and back at sea. Thanks for the reminiscence.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  444. Trinity says:
    @Mike Tre

    The internet is flooded with “fitness influencers “ telling people how to train, how to eat, this exercise is bad, this is good, kettlebell vs. barbell/dumbbell vs. body weight , full range of motion vs. partial movements, mobility vs flexibility vs endurance vs strength…….. Endless bullshit. I can well remember when gyms had no crooks masquerading as personal trainers, and those little cheap 110lb weight sets came with a course of whole body workouts thrice a week. By far the best and most sensible approach to novice weight trainers but along comes (((Joe Weider))) and fake articles about Arnold and Franco working out 4-5 hours a day on double split routines, and the photos shot with fake weights. Before Arnold and at least before the heavy duty uses of drugs you had a former Olympic lifter turned bodybuilder John Grimek. It is debatable if Grimek ever took steroids as he competed in the 1936 Olympics in weightlifting and was a bodybuilder in the 1940s. There was at least Dianabol back then but I don’t know if many lifters used the drug and IF they did the dosage was minimal.

    Unlike many bodybuilders from Arnold’s days until now, Grimek was not lumbering or stiff in movement. He performed splits and gymnastic bridges that would make Jean Claude Van Damme envious, and he had to be fast, coordinated and explosive to compete in the Olympics as a weightlifter. These guys practiced old school lifts that have only recently began to make a comeback like, Windmills, Jefferson curls, pullovers of all sorts, the bent arm pullover and press is the upper body squat, Turkish get ups, etc. (((Joe Weider))) who is rumored to have been on the DL took a healthy pursuit like bodybuilding/weight training and turned it into a freak show. His rival Bob Hoffman promoted more Olympic lifting and weight training over 57” chests and 21” pythons. The truth about Arnold was he rarely trained for more than hour a day between contests, lost a lot of muscle, then upped the drugs and training 3-4 months pre contest. Weider had the gullible believing these guys lived in the gym and benched 405lbs for 10 reps, no way could Arnold have done that, Franco, yes, but Arnold, no.

    Fact is you could take a guy and have him climb a 20 foot rope using only his arms (after he builds the necessary strength and movement), throw in some squats, cleans and presses, and barbell bent arm pullover and presses for only 2-3 days a week and he will have a better physique than 80% of the people out there.

  445. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    To decimate means to kill one in ten. The Gaza population is over 2 million, of which the Israelis have killed maybe 40,000, so they are going to have to DO BETTER if they want to even decimate the population.

    But they don’t. They just want to kill the Hamas terrorists who attacked them on 10/7 and who were the real genocidal maniacs and who have been taking lessons in Jew killing from the very best for 80 years now.

    Yes, as long as the Jew killers are out there, Netanyahu will have no qualms about killing them right back. If he had listened to the pussies in the State Dept. then Sinwar and Nasrallah would still be out there doing their favorite Jew killing activities.

    •�Troll: Trinity
    •�Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Art Deco
    , @AnotherDad
  446. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D

    Your response just takes repugnancy to a whole another level.

  447. @Jack D

    “The Yankees were amateurs compared to the Ottomans who had kept the Middle East under control for 400 years. Reconstruction in the South didn’t even last 12 years before the Feds lost control of their newly conquered territories. …”

    I expect Federal control of the South remained as firm as Ottoman control of their territory.

  448. Corvinus says:
    @deep anonymous

    Right, and the Rethugkicans and the Trump Administration will continue to enable those high profit margins for insurance companies to continue.

  449. @Curle

    Since you’ve stated that you and your family are not natives to this country

    Plymouth wasn’t “this country”? Or do I need to show aboriginal blood?

    When the Chief Executive of the Union first raised an army to enforce his up-to-that-point novel, heavily contested and untested theory of the Union he was rebuffed by those states…

    I thought Washington prevailed in the Whiskey Rebellion. Or are you talking about Jackson in the Nullification Crisis? He prevailed in that, too,– against his own vice president– and didn’t need an army to do so.

    The original Constitution neither defines “person” nor specifies which entity has the authority to define it. Thus, under the Tenth Amendment, the definition is left up to each state, isn’t it? Secession shouldn’t have been necessary to get around the fugitive laws. The Constitution demanded the return of persons, not non-persons.

    And if you capture fewer than five fugitives, how do you return only 60% of them?

    •�Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Curle
  450. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Oasis weren’t new Beatles, Oasis stood the egg upright after Columbus crushed its end.

  451. Trinity says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In all fairness Trumpstein really has no business making fun of another fat body. He isn’t morbidly obese like Christie but he is borderline obese or by a doctor’s scale he is obese.

  452. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    of which the Israelis have killed maybe 40,000
    ==
    The source of the datum is the ‘Gaza health ministry’. Exactly what data-gathering capacity do they have?

  453. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    So it will go on for years and years.
    ==

    ==
    It’s over.

  454. @Art Deco

    “The source of the datum is the ‘Gaza health ministry’. Exactly what data-gathering capacity do they have?”

    How much do they need to count to 40,000?

  455. @Art Deco

    Don’t they issue death certificates and authorize burials?

    Anyway the ministry apparently collects data from doctors, hospitals, emergency services, and field operations.

    Obviously collecting accurate data is challenging in wartime.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
  456. @Jack D

    If Westerners are worried about genocide, they should look in the mirror because they are killing off their own races thru lack of fertility. The cat ladies are the true genocidaires.

    Agree that Westerners need to be concerned about their own nations, not Gaza.

    But–for about the 100th time:

    The genocide of the West is through immigration not fertility.

    Fertility is super-important and needs attention. But low fertility does not destroy nations–invasion does. (The Shakers sure. But I can’t think of a single nation that has died from low TFR.) Sub-replacement fertility is not the end of the world, because fertility will not–naturally–stay sub-replacement. Fertility is not static. When I was born American white gal TFR was darn near 4 and it has now plunged to 1.6ish but it will not stay at 1.6 forever. That 1950s TFR at near 4 was actually quite a bit higher than it had been in 1920s when my folks were born, and especially during a relative low near 2 during the Great Depression. It was socially and economically a great time for having kids … and women had kids!

    The childless cat ladies are annoying as hell, but they can not “genocide the West”, they can only genocide their own genetic line. When another cat lady’s ovaries wither up childless, while some based gal wraps up her fertile years with four kids, the genetics and culture of the nation shift toward the later–toward normality and fertility, higher fertility. We’ve been through a serious of “environmental shocks”–modernity, modern household appliances, the Pill, abortion, “you go girl” feminism, smart phones. But like all environmental shocks, it has set off a strong selection effect, selection for genes/culture that still reproduces under the new conditions.

    None of this strikes me as the least bit difficult to understand, but I guess you do have to have the mental equipment/imagination to see processes that are not monotonic functions.

    No, the people genociding the West are the “must have immigration” zealots.

    If you have a people W, with a population m, and some number n of another people X, push into their nation–and are allowed to do it every year, upon year with end … the people W are toast. Unless the people X are killed off (Carribean sugar plantation) or the W people are able to outbreed them so, so much that yearly addition (n) is less than the fertility rate difference–which is basically impossible under any significant inflow–the invaders triumph, conquer. (Needless to say, neither of these is is remotely the case in the West.) Unlike fertility which can easily correct, that math–the year after year addition of nX foreign people–is actually relentless. Relentlessly destructive. People W will be absorbed or swamped.

    So let’s be clear who is perpetrating the genocide of the West, it is the “must have immigration!”, “immigration is who we are!”, “need immigrants” propagandists. Those people clearly–in the bright light of simple algebra–are trying to destroy white Western nations/peoples.

    Any idea who those people might be?

    •�Thanks: MEH 0910
    •�Replies: @prosa123
  457. nebulafox says:

    OT:

    Good on Vance for that appearance with Penny: I have no doubt that he was the brains behind bringing that up with Trump. Whatever else he is, he understands the situation for what it is, what the political enemy is, how they work, and that these people are at heart simpering bullies who cannot function without institutional guidance or inertia. Men like Pence or McConnell would have eagerly thrown him under the bus and would have convinced Trump to stay away eight years ago, just as they’d happily have us rely on firmware full of Chinese malware rather than pay Americans good wages to make it.

    Things have changed irrevocably. There’s a real, rather fitting irony that despite the vast demographic changes the leftists have introduced to America, that the country is more hostile to them and their ideas than ever before. People want to be healthy, people want to be happy, people want to have families and friends and futures. The job of the state can never be to create that wholesale, but it is certainly its job to not inhibit it.

    •�Agree: Mark G.
  458. @Reg Cæsar

    Geez you two are running a tedious thread.

    Both things can be true:

    A) Slavery sucks.
    It is/was a ubiquitous but backward and stagnant economic system. At root it is incompatible with republican government and technological progress. (Something Jefferson understood.) If our ancestors had, had the foresight to pass up this “make a buck!” opportunity and kept North America for Euro-white conquerors … oh, man what a better history we could have had! (Sadly, I don’t live in that timeline.)

    Slavery reminds me of nothing so much as the slimy $$$ “much have immigration!” bleaters of today. Really just pay your workers American wages; mow you own effing lawn (or pay the neighbor kid); raise your own efffing kids …

    B) Lincoln was wrong.
    The Confederate states did have the right to secede. Leaving is the fundamental right of any person or people or political entity. If they really absolutely positively can not do it … they are not free. (See Communism. The Berlin Wall was a hint to me about who was right.)

    As Steve has pointed out, Lincoln should have been working 24�7 over the winter of 1860 to keep the saner Virginia folks in the Union, have them understand “everything’s going to be great”. And, of course, we could have done with out the couldn’t-keep-it-in-their-pants South Carolina nut-burgers firing on Fort Sumter. Great job guys! Way to get everyone riled up.

    But push comes to shove Lincoln, should have just said “Hey, I believe you folks are making a mistake. You are opting to be an agricultural colony of the British. It’s a poor choice, a poorer future. We Americans are better off–stronger, brighter future–if we stick together. If you come to your senses down the road, we will work to come together again as a nation.”

    In another generation, the backwardness and bankruptcy of slavery as system would have been more clear. It would probably have been abolished peacefully in some fashion … and the nation reunited–with much less bad blood and our Constitutional order intact… and 600,000 American boys allowed to live their lives.

    If anyone had known what the cost upfront, almost no one would have opted for such bloody stupidity.

  459. Anon 2 says:

    Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar announced in a statement that Israel
    will close its embassy in Dublin. In May Ireland, Spain, and Norway expressed
    their recognition of the State of Palestine.

    Young Americans are heavily pro-Palestinian which implies that with each
    year the U.S. is becoming less pro-Israel. Moreover, the percentage of the
    Protestants (including Evangelicals), really the only people who care about
    the Old Testament and the Jews, is declining annually at the rate of roughly 1%.
    Hence the U.S. is becoming more and more like continental Europe which
    is heavily Catholic, and has no particular love for Jews (or Muslims).

    •�Replies: @muggles
  460. @Jack D

    To decimate means to kill one in ten. The Gaza population is over 2 million, of which the Israelis have killed maybe 40,000, so they are going to have to DO BETTER if they want to even decimate the population.

    I got to admire your moral clarity Jack. None of that tedious “balancing” competing values crap that we hear so much about. (Especially from lawyers trying to jack around our Constitutional order.)

    You are like exactly like “Loyalty” guy. Except you have different loyalties. For you it begins and ends with “the Jews.” You’re a Jew, so that’s fine. We get it.

    However, I do hope you understand that many of us feel the same way about our people, our nations. (In fact, many of us feel our people and nations are better, more pleasant, more decent–and have contributed way more to humanity–than anything the Jews have or will ever do.) We realize that there are people out there who hate us, or have contempt for us, who do not think our nations should be ours and work to wreck them, break them, steal them from us and effectively destroy our future as a people–ergo effectively seek to genocide us.

    Sadly, right now there is no immediate prospect of turning this around. But if we whites eventually “wake up and smell the coffee” and start smashing the shit out of all the people who seek to destroy us, I hope you will understand and not squawk to much if we end up smashing, expelling, even killing a lot of innocent people to get to the guilty … as long as it’s no more than 10%.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  461. Curle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The original Constitution neither defines “person” nor specifies which entity has the authority to define it.

    Not the issue.

    In the discussion regarding the 14th amendment and the second amendment you made it clear that legal analysis is above your head. Stop before you embarrass yourself again. Leave the straw grasping for other sites.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  462. Interesting.

  463. An iStevey if OT question from “Sam J” at Twitchy.com:

    “Why do men who want to be women always choose stripper names?”

    This is in reference to one Zooey Zephyr, one of two whatevers representing Missoula in the Montana House. (Of course it’s the home of the flagship university. Why even ask?)

    The other is SJ Howell, on the right below, who is “non-binary” and doesn’t have a stripper name.

    https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/429bb53/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1920�1080+0+0/resize/1280�720!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fewscripps-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F3d%2Fc9%2F8a2c081d418fb206f3dbbbd2139d%2Fsequence-03.mp4.00_00_26_17.Still001.
    The House has 100 districts, but probably could do with 98. (100 is an awful lot of districts for a population barely over a million. But New Hampshire has 400 for only a slightly larger population.)

    On the plus side, when entering the Capitol (by the main entrance, not the servants’), they have to walk past a statue of Jeannette Rankin, the only member of Congress to vote against our entry in both world wars. A isolationist goddess. One hopes she has some influence under the rotunda.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @AnotherDad
  464. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    Sadly, right now there is no immediate prospect of turning this around. But if we whites eventually “wake up and smell the coffee”………..

    Get the word out:

    https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/jaw-dropping-candace-owens-interview

    Here’s some whiny little creep (and, apparently, a Randian-cultist as well) doing damage control, and getting heavily ratioed in the attempt:

    It seems like this sort of bulls**t just isn’t cutting it anymore.

    It’s remarkable how few Americans even know about the USS Liberty. One of the greatest things that could be done to alter popular opinion and politics in this country would be for knowledge of it to be widely disseminated. That is why the survivors of the attack themselves and anyone who takes up their cause are either ignored or smeared and villified.

    I’d love to see the paid hacks on FOX News (to name just one media outlet) forced to confront the facts of the case. They’ve spent so many years pushing all the “support the troops” crap, that it would be quite a pivot for them to all-of-a-sudden start denouncing these decorated veterans as liars and anti-semites.

    •�Agree: JMcG
    •�Thanks: deep anonymous, Trinity
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
  465. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Don’t they issue death certificates and authorize burials?
    ==
    I’m sure Gaza is just as orderly as Switzerland.

  466. @Art Deco

    It’s not over. Killing begets killing. At this point it’s blood ritual. Zionists, in their hubris, have doomed their own existence.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
  467. @J.Ross

    The first thing an American afraid of Jewish power would have to confront is that modern American culture is deeply Jewish, so he is too, certainly from the point of view of traditional Christian European culture.

    The 1995 film with Sandra Bullock While You Were Sleeping got brought up the other day and comes to mind to that point.

    The movie is ostensibly about an Irish Catholic family in Chicago named the Callaghans. Bizarrely, though, the family has a kind of Jewish Godfather named Saul (played by Jack Warden). His wisdom gets dispensed when he calls the rich Callaghan son a “putz.” Then there is a scene of the Callaghan’s at Christmas Mass, and they all start kvetching at each other in the middle of the Mass, just like they are a bunch of Jews who have no idea what it means to attend Mass. What can you say but oy vey.

    Fifty years before While You Were Sleeping there was The Bells of St Mary’s. And that was a sequel to Going My Way, which came out the year before (and for which Bing Crosby won an Oscar). One of these things is not like the other…

  468. duncsbaby says:
    @Just another serf

    He only posts once or twice a week now. Of course no-one forces you to read Sailer. I wager there are a few other writers/bloggers on unz.com that you could read for years if need be and never see another Sailer post.

  469. Mactoul says:
    @AnotherDad

    Lincoln was wrong?
    And what was the question?
    Not a matter of legal theory but the substantial question– who was sovereign?
    The individual states or the United States.
    And the question of sovereignty is not legal but is ultimately resolved by brute force.
    Lincoln prevailed and thus Lincoln was right.
    States aren’t sovereign.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  470. Mactoul says:
    @AnotherDad

    Clearly you have only worldly objections to slavery. But worldly people don’t make history.
    Slavery was ended by Americans who were passionately opposed to slavery as an abomination. As a filth polluting the entire country.

    •�Thanks: Corvinus
  471. Steve Sailer says: •�Website
    @MGB

    I ran into Cheap Trick’s drummer Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston Summit after they opened for Foreigner in 1978 or early 1979 and we were both leaving early. He said to look out for their Japanese live album “At Budokan.”

    I thought it sounded improbable that they’d finally break through with a Tokyo live album, but held my tongue.

    Then they did, so what do I know?

    •�Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @MEH 0910
  472. Steve Sailer says: •�Website
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Pretty much. Times change fast, so mastering an old style is hard. For instance, a lot of glam rock from the first half of the 70s, like Bang the Gong, is modeled on late 50s rock and roll, but hardly anybody notices.

  473. @nebulafox

    “Men like Pence or McConnell would have”

    Uh… “men”?

    You’re far too kind.

    I’m not even sure they merit “guy”, or “dude”.

    •�LOL: Trinity
  474. Mike Tre says:
    @nebulafox

    “Good on Vance for that appearance with Penny: ”

    Would he have appeared with Penny had he been convicted? No. Page one of Politiks fer Dummies reads “Photo-ops are for winners, not losers.”

  475. Brutusale says:
    @kaganovitch

    That would be Cheryl Sarkisian, more commonly known as Cher.

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
  476. @Steve Sailer

    “For instance, a lot of glam rock from the first half of the 70s, like Bang the Gong, is modeled on late 50s rock and roll, but hardly anybody notices.”

    Well, yes and no — with a minimalist style like most rock music basically is, the devil is in the details — in the case of glam (or hip-hop), the production surface. Late 50s rock has great architectural bones, but you can’t just keep on playing Chuck Berry licks (or Chuck Berry lyrics) in say 1971, or 2021. Bang a Gong, like most of the extraordinary “Electric Warrior”, trades on Bolan’s invention of a kind of sleepy, half-stoned groove and tempo that still sort of rocked in spite of itself. (Planet Queen!) Plus his slickster I’m-Not-Dylan-But-I-Smoked-a-Joint-with-Him-Once vocal style, and the tastily spaced out lyrics (the President’s weird, he’s got a burgundy beard). Good bones, but even better flesh.

  477. bomag says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Just a different cast of mind.

    Well, yeah, but there is also the utility of the thing. As far as life is a competition, the smarter guy often has an edge: he who invents/builds better weapons/tactics, wins. On average.

    Concerning that we see an inverse relationship between intelligence and fertility. I like to think it has more evolutionary value; looks like nature tends toward minimalism.

    •�Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  478. @JohnnyWalker123

    The most plausible explanation I have heard is that the drones are:
    1) illegal Chinese messing with us
    2) teen age boys messing with us
    3) a combination of both

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  479. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s remarkable how few Americans even know about the USS Liberty

    This happened in 1967, almost 60 years ago. So for most Americans under say 70, which is most Americans, this is ancient history. The Germans and the Japanese killed 400,000 American boys in WWII and we have no hard feelings there. The Vietnamese killed 50,000 around the same time and there’s no hard feelings.

    It was an unfortunate accident in the fog of war and Israel apologized and paid compensation. Even if you don’t believe that, it was all a long time ago and has nothing to do with current relations between the people and government of Israel and the US. The only people who bring this up are antisemites. Everyone else (except maybe the immediate families affected, which is understandable) has moved on long ago. So what is surprising is not that most Americans don’t know about this minor incident but that you are still ranting and raving about it and expecting other people to care.

  480. @JohnnyWalker123

    “The most reasonable drone theory is that nuclear weapons are about to blow up most major US cities”

    Wake me when that happens.

  481. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’m not sure that is the real alternate history. If you look at the Caribbean, what happened after the slaves were freed is that their population outran that of white people and gradually the whole place became black or mixed race. Worst case, the Confederacy would have ended up like Haiti or Rhodesia and best case like Brazil or S. Africa. After the slaves were freed, the next logical step was to give them the franchise. A white minority could not have kept control forever. I’m not sure that the North would have wanted them back.

    Meanwhile, the shrunken North would never have become the world power that it is. You might say that would have been better but I don’t think so. In a world with Nazi Germany and Stalin’s USSR, a rump US might not have been up to the task of saving the free world.

    •�LOL: Trinity
    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  482. @Jack D

    “It was an unfortunate accident in the fog of war and Israel apologized and paid compensation.”

    Totally false. It was a deliberate attack by a treacherous “ally.” But the biggest outrage was the behavior of the U.S leadership, scum such as LBJ, Secretary of Defense McNamara, and Naval brass including McCain’s old man, all of whom conspired to suppress public knowledge of what happened and to act on behalf of Israel rather than the United States.

    •�Agree: Mr. Anon
    •�Replies: @Anonymous
  483. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    This sounds like the classic case of mass hysteria. Remember the 1960s when UFO’s were everywhere?

    What kind of spy drone has lights? If I was sending a spy drone I wouldn’t put lights on it.

    If I had to guess, there is some small core of questionable drones but 90%+ of the sightings being reported are something completely harmless. I just hope that people don’t start shooting at these things and start bringing down small planes, etc.

  484. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg–and everyone else–please put pictures of these freaks and weirdos below the fold. That includes pictures of queers being queer–“celebrating” their queerness–refrigerator sized black women lecturing us … really all of these upchuck people.

    Newsworthy unpleasantness–ok. But let’s not let go out of our way to let the upchuck people dirty up our vision. Make your point, then–if we haven’t recently eaten and just over-curious, we can hit the “more” tag.

    You want to serve up pics–for some reason???–a pretty girl, a mom nursing her baby, normies being gloriously normal, will do.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  485. hhsiii says:
    @John Johnson

    Are you riding a getaway bike through central park with back pain that prevents being a BJ recipient?

    •�Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  486. Trinity says:
    @Big Bill

    Your description is much better than mine, Big Bill, but I feel ya. We were traveling the same path my friend as the Gallatin was docked at Governors Island right across from Lady Liberty 🗽during my stay and we always headed to the Caribbean. except for a trip to Scotland in 1985. The North Atlantic tossed our 378 foot boat around like a rag doll. It sure wasn’t smooth sailing like the Caribbean. We actually stopped for a couple of Spring Breaks in Ft. Lauderdale on the way back home to NYC. One of the songs I mentioned, “ Give It Up” by KC and The Sunshine Band was playing on my Walkman as the skyline of Miami came into view and boy was I ready to spend some cash freely. I remember doing part of my 12-4 watch as lookout which you alternated with helmsman and messenger of the watch for an hour a piece, one you would obviously double up on. You would be perched above the bridge with your mounted binoculars all by your lonesome. Every now and then you would see a cruise ship ( Caribbean after all) you would see it lit up and imagine the people eating, dancing, enjoying themselves, etc. My friend would go on to make a career of working on tugs out of NYC and Philly. His father and mother were Norwegian so I guess sailing and being a sailor was in his blood. He followed in his father’s footsteps. I was in my early twenties 22-24, not a care in the world, thought life would be like this forever. Lol. Boy, if only…..

  487. @Brutusale

    Good point. I forgot about her.

  488. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s remarkable how few Americans even know about the USS Liberty.
    ==
    The incident wasn’t that important.

    •�Thanks: Jack D
    •�LOL: deep anonymous
    •�Troll: Trinity
    •�Replies: @Trinity
    , @Mr. Anon
  489. @bomag

    This is about everyday matters. Marx built a structure that, somehow, captivated minds of hundreds of millions of lives & changed the world enormously. Doubtless he was highly intelligent, but even more- he was a prophet & that element worked. I guess there were many more intelligent people, in various areas, but their influence in comparison with his is negligible.

    IQ is just a thread in life.

  490. Art Deco says:
    @Corpse Tooth

    If that helps you feel better, go with that.

  491. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I don’t know much about chess grandmasters, but I haven’t heard about a single individual from that area that has accomplished anything worth mentioning in any other field.

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
  492. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    A really good chess player can, in a manner of speaking, predict the future: someone reliably capable of seeing twenty moves ahead and cashing in (viz winning) due to this ability can, for all intents and purposes, see into the future. [e.a.]

    LOL. How much of chess success is really just a specialized ability and endurance for rote memorization? It can be rewarding financially, sure, but intellectually? Meh.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  493. prosa123 says:
    @AnotherDad

    No, the people genociding the West are the “must have immigration” zealots.
    If you have a people W, with a population m, and some number n of another people X, push into their nation–and are allowed to do it every year, upon year with end … the people W are toast.

    Unless W and X muddle together over time so that a new people Y emerge. I know that the lunatics on this site think human races are carved in stone and can never change, but reality can be different. While some groups are harder to assimilate than others, we’ve already reached the point at which whites and Asians aren’t really separate races any longer, and I see the same thing starting to happen with whites and Hispanics. And note also that the offspring of these pairings are not automatically One Dropped into minority status.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  494. @hhsiii

    Adding together all the new materials available it is far from clear during what period Mangione had back pain, what type of back pain it was, and whether the surgery provided any relief,

    For example back pain could be muscular, it could be related to pressure on the spinal nerve, or it could be related to other nerves.

    About 13 years ago I had a bout of really severe sciatica on the right side. It was so bad that I could not walk to the bathroom without pushing a dining chair in front of me. I would have fallen down.

    And yet I had a bicycle which I was able to ride without any serious discomfort. In fact I remember riding to a clinic to get an injection for my sciatica, and then having almighty difficulty crawling up the steps of the clinic once I had parked by bike at the kerb.

    At the time I genuinely thought I would never walk again without two walking sticks, a walker, or a wheelchair. And yet a week or so later, I was fine again.

    If Mangione had surgery of some kind, perhaps spinal fusion, he must have had some follow-up care, and we don’t know anything about that.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    , @Hhsiii
  495. @prosa123

    No, Pakistani males don’t tend to go for the one-on-one, many onto one is more the style.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  496. Jack D says:
    @prosa123

    And note also that the offspring of these pairings are not automatically One Dropped into minority status.

    It depends a lot on the culture and the majority’s willingness to accept minorities. The best way to kill minorities is with kindness. The Mexicans solved their Negro Question by dissolving blacks into the general population. This is ironic because the Men of Unz who rant about furreners are the ones who are least likely to accept non-whites into their families, not that their sons and daughters and grandchildren listen to them anyway.

    The danger is that too much of the old tarbrush and you stupidify your society. OTOH, adding Asians (and Jews) to your family tree probably ups the game of your descendants. Maybe even sharp Africans – Barack was probably brighter than if his momma had married some Hawaiian surfer dude.

  497. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It really depends on the nature and cause of the back pain. I have a condition whereby on some days if I am on my feet too long I get lower back pain but the instant that I lie down (or even sit down) it all goes away. Other people (Luigi) may have pain in all possible positions because the cause of the pain is not related to the load on their feet or hips.

  498. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It depends on your definition of “intellectual”. What is this “specialized ability” that you are speaking of if not an intellectual talent? How is this different than a “specialized ability” to do math problems or to write poems? Everything that we do is based on current inputs and an ability to process those inputs in light of stored memory and stored algorithms.

    Chess is a defined game like tic tac to but the difference is that tic tac to is trivial to solve and chess very quickly blows up into an enormous decision tree that requires considerable skill to navigate.

  499. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I ran into Cheap Trick’s drummer Bun E. Carlos in the parking lot of the Houston Summit after they opened for Foreigner in 1978 or early 1979 and we were both leaving early.

    Cheap Trick: 1978.09.30 Houston, TX VHS Video Remaster

    00:00 Hello There
    01:39 Come On Come On
    05:10 Stiff Competition
    10:23 On Top Of The World
    15:55 Rick Guitar Solo
    20:48 Big Eyes
    25:04 Southern Girls
    28:02 California Man
    33:33 Surrender
    37:40 Goodnight Now

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/cheap-trick/1978/the-summit-houston-tx-73c24a3d.html
    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/foreigner/1978/the-summit-houston-tx-6bc8e64a.html

  500. @Jack D

    “This happened in 1967, almost 60 years ago. So for most Americans under say 70, which is most Americans, this is ancient history”

    WW2 will be 80 years old next year, yet our media never tires of Hitler and the Nazis. It’s as if British historical TV in the 1970s was dominated by tales of the Mad Mahdi and Gordon’s death at Khartoum.

    Who holds the megaphone can have a decisive effect on a nations’s historical memory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad

    •�Agree: deep anonymous, Mr. Anon
    •�Replies: @Ministry Of Tongues
  501. @Jack D

    It depends on your definition of “intellectual”. What is this “specialized ability” that you are speaking of if not an intellectual talent?

    Part of my point (and Bardon’s) is that some “intellectual” activities are more boring than others (either in the results or the execution thereof), especially to an observer. E.g., is top-level chess in its current evolution ‘creative’ or just a memory/endurance diagnostic to see which opponent first fails to plug in the correct established tactics? Chess is a test of human calculators. Beep boop. 🤖

  502. Curle says:
    @Mactoul

    And the question of sovereignty is not legal but is ultimately resolved by brute force.

    Of course the question of sovereignty is legal as long as people are willing to follow the law. It is conquest otherwise and that is what Lincoln and the North were, conquerors who didn’t care about the law or those parts that got in their way. But, assuming a person seeks to act in good faith, the good faith description of the 1861-65 war is “war of conquest.”

    •�Replies: @Mactoul
    , @Corvinus
  503. Trinity says:
    @Art Deco

    And it is really amazing at how few people know about Lucky Larry and The Five DANCING Israelis in NYC apprehended on 9-11-01 as the Twin Towers crumbled, or the similarities between The Lavon Affair and 9-11.

  504. @Curle

    You’re the one who thinks the Thirteenth Amendment is a tyrannical assault on your liberty, and that Lincoln was the 19th-century analogue to “literally Hitler”. (Does that make Adolf literally Lincoln? I’d put Abe somewhere in the middle of the pack, neither Jesus nor Satan.)

    the second amendment

    This term is traditionally capitalized capitalised, but I suppose even that is a Yankee innovation by the evil Mr Webster.

    You’re the one who says the Bill of Rights is a fraud, a lie. For your interpretation to be honest– whether or not it was once commonly accepted– every final period full stop need be replaced with a comma, followed by the disclaimer “in those States, and only those States, that recognize such a right”. If states can pick and choose which rights to respect, these are not rights. (And arguably not republics.) As you yourself conceded, by saying Nunn v Georgia was wrongly decided.

    (I haven’t read Nunn through, as you have. It may very will be, as some originalists have said of Scalia’s Heller, the correct result arrived at the wrong way. You would do us all a great favor by pointing out its errors in detail.)

    In the discussion regarding the 14th amendment

    As for the Fourteenth Amendment, all I’ve ever said about that is that it would be moot in any nation with a sane demographic profile– that is, any nation– e.g., Denmark, Poland, Japan, Korea. The United States have never been one of those, Washington’s Farewell Address notwithstanding. Races that can’t live up to it by definition had no place in it.

    But let’s boil down what you’re saying to its essence:

    • States had no obligation to respect their citizens’ (thought-to-be) rights to the bearing of arms, warrants for searches, restitution for seized property, due process, trial by jury, liberty, and life itself, if any of these were left out of the state constitution, and

    • While these states had no obligation to return weapons to their own citizens, they did have the obligation to return sex slaves to the citizens of other states. (Peggy Garner was a sex slave; that’s why she killed her daughter.)

    • My Great Lakes states ancestors, had they assisted their neighbors in pointing any Peggys the wrong way, were criminals, just as I would have been 40 years ago during stints in countries with extradition treaties with the USSR, had I sent any Soviet refugees the wrong way.

    Only a planter, or someone who identifies with the planter class, could view early constitutional America as some kind of libertarian Eden. Its defenders, such as Calhoun, equated their régime to Oriental satrapies, not republics of free white men.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  505. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That’s why Magnus Carlsen gave up classical chess in favor of blitz and bullet.

    Fischer saw this coming decades ago – that’s why he invented Fischer Random.

  506. @Jack D

    In a world with Nazi Germany and Stalin’s USSR, a rump US might not have been up to the task of saving the free world.

    A “rump USA” would not have included a certain Virginian, whose interference in the first war is what led to the second. The “free world” might have been better off, not in any need of “saving”.

    Besides, “rump”? California and Oregon were already states, and Alaska on the verge of entry. Who needs the Gulf of Mexico? Just get to work on the Seaway. The transcontinental rail was nearly completed, anyway. Send the crops to Europe the long way.

    An independent Confederacy would have been the rump. It would have gotten the South Africa treatment from the West, if not the whole world, decades earlier. Sure, they could have blocked their many ports from “Yankee” use, but I bet that would not have gone down well in New Orleans, Mobile, or Galveston. The Brits also already had the Punjab, which is today first or second in the world in cotton production.

    Like Stalin, Thomas Woodrow Wilson would have been an immigrant, but unlike Joe, ineligible for the top job. No Wilson, no Hitler.

  507. @Jack D

    You are disgusting.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  508. Trinity says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Consider the (((source.))) AGREE. Those sailors were needlessly attacked and I will take their word over a compromised American politician, a Jew or Israeli any day.

    The irony with this one is rich considering the Jews have been the biggest CRYBULLIES of all time, (they) have been whining about an alleged muh holocaust for nearly 80 years I think. I say I think because a lot of people say the alleged holocaust was hardly mentioned until the 1960s before I was born.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
  509. Hhsiii says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Fair enough. The brain fog thing is also a little odd.

    United wasn’t his insurer. The surgery was evidently covered. His parents were rich so if he lost coverage (he turned 26 this year) they apparently could afford care or to get him coverage. His grievance doesn’t seemed to have been based on his own personal issues directly.

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
  510. @Bardon Kaldian

    Lots of sharp thinkers didn’t bother nerding it up with the high school chess club, just as many successful people couldn’t be arsed to get elected president of the student council. People who bother to become classified as “grandmasters” are like people who bother to join Mensa, or to refute Corvinus. Avoid.

    •�Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  511. Mactoul says:
    @AnotherDad

    Leaving is the fundamental right of any person or people or political entity.

    But the Confederates didn’t grant the same right to their slaves thereby showing the truth of Dr Johnson’s quote about how loudest yelps of liberty come from slavedrivers.

  512. Mactoul says:
    @Curle

    Sovereignty is the question of who makes the law. This question the law itself is unable to answer, even in principle.
    Sovereignty is only decidable by brute force.

  513. @Hhsiii

    I agree about the brain fog and most commentators have ignored this.

    To be honest I was never aware of the term brain fog until a year or two ago when it came up in a case that I was following.

    Apparently the reason why I wasn’t aware of it is that it is a colloquial term so what is known clinically as alteration in level of consciousness.

    Alteration in consciousness is a pretty serious neurological condition, and somebody who was in hospital who had this would be closely observed, although the seriousness of it will depend on what the cause is–which could be several different things including alcohol, drugs, and various metabolic disorders.

  514. @MGB

    My guess was Mal as well, though there was one other guy in tight with them, too. I forgot about his production duties. The album I had was produced mostly by Rundgren, with a few tracks by Harrison. One of those, “Day After Day”, impressed George so much he insisted on playing lead.

    Their drummer died of natural causes in 2005, leaving only Joey Molland. He married a Minnesota girl and resettled there. She (who has since passed on as well) handled his business affairs well enough for them but made them a lot of enemies in the process. (I don’t think it was deliberate, but Joey was getting Iveys royalties he wasn’t entitled to, having been the last to join, and had to pay them back.) It took him a while to rebuild bridges.

    I met Joey once or twice after cozy bar concerts. One night a few years ago, I walked into a Kwik Trip convenience store and there he was, with three or four younger guys, obviously just to or from a gig. I called out “Badfinger!”, which they appreciated. (Think of the iconic regional convenience store your region is most proud of, Sheetz, Wawa, Buc–ees, whatever, and that’s what Kwik Trip is to us. Kwik Star in Iowa.)

    There was a pierogi place in an old house on University Ave in St Paul which I frequented, run by a guy named Nick. He and his brother Pete were childhood refugees from postwar Ukraine, and Pete ran a boutique guitar store out of the other half of the house. It closed when Pete passed on, so the pics of Pete selling his wares to George got hung up in Nick’s dining room.

    So I’m a degree or two of separation from George Harrison by two routes.

    •�Replies: @MGB
  515. @YetAnotherAnon

    No, Pakistani males don’t tend to go for the one-on-one, many onto one is more the style.

    Well, they are from Pack- istan, aren’t they?

    •�LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  516. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    The incident wasn’t that important.

    It isn’t important to stuffed-shirt pedants who bury their head in the sand.

    You may find that it becomes increasingly important as it becomes increasingly known about.

    But Jack D thanked you, so you’ll have the lasting satisfaction that comes from that.

  517. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Wa, wa, wa – antisemites!, antisemites! – wa, wa, wa.

    Same tired old schtick from Jack D.

    The Germans and the Japanese killed 400,000 American boys in WWII and we have no hard feelings there. The Vietnamese killed 50,000 around the same time and there’s no hard feelings.

    They were enemies, not supposed friends. And we haven’t been systematically lied to about those wars ever since they happened.

    Everyone in the know within the American government, as well as the entire crew of the Liberty believed it to be a deliberate attack. Why should I believe you, or ridiculous clown-cucks like Art Deco, over them?

    Again, I would merely point out how funny it is for people whose religious holidays consist of the careful, deliberate, millenia-long nursing of ancient ethnic grievances telling the rest of us to “Just get over it, already!”

    •�Replies: @MGB
  518. epebble says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My theory is that the Chinese have figured out some new stealth technology and are having fun that we are all psyched but can’t see anything on Radar. Why would they fly with colorful bright lights in the night at low altitude and turn off the lights when approached? Flying over restricted airspace is another of their taunts. This is their SR-71 Blackbird. Much better than the ballon trick of last year. Obviously, they are becoming very good at both low observables and general aerospace.

    •�Replies: @epebble
  519. @AnotherDad

    Geez you two are running a tedious thread.

    Mea culpa. I’m trying to wean myself from replying to the timesink trolls, and mostly have. Two giveaway signs are their refusing to give a straight answer, and insulting dismissals of those who request them. Curle makes decent comments on most unrelated subjects, and it’s only in this one area that he fits the profile, so it’s easy to forget and get trapped.

    The Confederate states did have the right to secede.

    Yes, but was this right absolute? That’s a sticking point in any union. Should a rich, young state secede today, will it still owe the Social Security payments that the poorer, more geriatric states demand?

    Politicians, then as now, are lawyers. Everything has to be delineated, explicitly, in airtight language. This is one point on which the EU’s founding documents are vastly superior to our own. How many lives did Brexit cost? There was a process spelled out that was followed, mostly to the letter.

    As for Lincoln’s stupidity in fighting to keep the mulatto states, the equivalent of a surgeon reattaching a gangrenous limb, was any of our land west of the Mississippi acquired constitutionally?

    our Constitutional order intact

    Even better– we could have told those roving slavecatchers to go pound sand, the way the British were already doing just across the Detroit and Niagara rivers. Borders the planters respected.

    Not to mention that Curle’s point that Americans had a right to a slave but not to a pistol is downright weird, and, if true, not worth defending.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  520. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    So what is surprising is not that most Americans don’t know about this minor incident but that you are still ranting and raving about it and expecting other people to care.

    That Candace Owens interview with Phil Tourney has racked up nearly four and a half million views. Somebody seems to care about it, the attempts of people like you to pooh-pooh the matter, or even outright suppress it, not-withstanding. Perhaps you should get used to more people caring about something you think they shouldn’t care about.

    While we’re on the subject, how come Hollywood never made a movie about the Liberty? It seems movie-worthy. Within a couple of years after the raid on Entebbe, there were two movies made about it. I’m sure you’ll say it’s because the subject is a downer – I believe you’ve made that argument before – but Hollywood made movies about the execution of Private Slovik, the Pueblo incident, and the My Lai massacre – all pretty downer subjects – so that argument is just a load of bullsh*t.

    Just as Hollywood has made movies about Aldrich Ames and Robert Hannsen and yet strangely finds the subject of Jonathan Pollard uninteresting.

    We all know why Hollywood won’t make a movie about the Liberty.

    •�Agree: deep anonymous
    •�Thanks: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
  521. muggles says:
    @Anon 2

    Young Americans are heavily pro-Palestinian which implies that with each
    year the U.S. is becoming less pro-Israel.

    Perhaps that is part of the largely unspoken revolt by younger people, especially males, against the Democrat Party love of abortion, gays, trans, and extreme feminist hatred of men in general.

    All of those Democrat Party traits are unacceptable to classic Arab cultural/religious beliefs and reflected in Palestinian/Gazan political realities.

    There are no Gays for Gazans chapters in Gaza, or anywhere else in the Mideast.

    Personally, I don’t share the Arab hatred for Jews, or their retrograde cultural beliefs. But aside from AOC style radical left progressive hatred of Israel (part of the now obsolete post-Communist “anti-colonial” Party Line) there must be something else that accounts for this odd love of Zoomers for the mercenary Hamas political mafia.

    “Culture war” overflow?

    •�Replies: @Mark G.
  522. muggles says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This “looking for nukes” or nuclear waste (!) is absurd but is the latest drone theory de jure.

    Why would they only fly said sniffer drones at night? Radiation isn’t affected by daylight.

    The government is lying (by omission) about this, but I don’t think we need to head for the hills over this quite yet.

  523. Hail says: •�Website
    @Roderick Spode

    Has Scott Alexander confirmed (or denied) that the health-insurance CEO shooter was one of his readers?

    •�Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @MEH 0910
  524. Mark G. says:
    @muggles

    According to a 2019 Tablet article by Zach Goldberg, polling showed American liberals were more pro-Israel than pro-Palestinian up until about 2016 and then switched. Around the same time, liberals became much more supportive of the idea of Blacks being the victims of systemic racism and of the goodness of high levels of immigration. This was all part of what has been labeled “the Great Awokening”.

    Since the left has become more pro-Palestinian, you would expect the right to become more pro-Israel. You do see some of that but there is an anti-Semitic segment of the right that dislikes Jews and an isolationist segment of the right that does not support U.S. military assistance for Israel. You also have the fact that seventy percent of American Jews still vote Democrat. Until American Jews start voting Republican in larger numbers and stop trying to get America involved in foreign wars that benefit Israel, there will be no complete identification of each party with a particular position on Jews versus Muslims.

    •�Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  525. @Hhsiii

    “…His grievance …”

    His problem appears to have been that he had gone nuts and he just latched onto a conspiracy theory that was floating around. Such people often start ranting about the Jews. Or he could have become an anti-vaxxer and gone after Fauci or the head of Pfizer.

  526. @Jack D

    “… How is this different than a “specialized ability” to do math problems …”

    Math is more varied and has lots of real world applications. Chess is more like memorizing thousands of digits of pi.

    When asked what study of chess did for you a chess grandmaster reportedly replied that it makes you better at chess and worse at everything else.

  527. @James B. Shearer

    The further and further along the spectrum you go towards the extreme, the more and more you and JIE and Bardon are correct. But if you’re a normal human being, exercise is good, less good if you’re an extreme bodybuilder taking steroids and turning yourself into a pumped-up freak.

    One of my uncles was a master architect/contractor; as a hobby he became an expert poker player, and from time to time amused himself by entering one of the big tournament games in Vegas, where he generally did okay, held his own, but did not wipe the floor with anyone. It was enough for him that he could do that well just as a hobbyist, he didn’t mortgage his house or develop a crazy gambling problem.

    Same thing with chess. You don’t study Morphy’s games because you want to be the next Morphy (nobody can be, it’s already been done, it’s like aspiring to write “Sympathy for the Devil” all over again). You study Morphy’s games because they’re beautiful, they’re like little 19th-century punk rock songs. But in the course of appreciating why they are beautiful, you learn a thing or two about chess, and life. (Chess is like certain elements of life, and very much unlike certain others.)

    Same thing with the openings. It’s good for the mind to have a pass at some of the major openings and lines of play, just so you can see what great minds of the past thought about the problems, what the choices were, and what were the best ways to solve them. But you’re right, memorizing the openings and then plugging them in is a little like memorizing digits of pi.

    But let’s say you’re armed with the basics of theory, and a general knowledge of not just what the main openings are, but *why* they are preferred over other lines of play, then you might be able to have a rewarding game with someone of similar ability. And you might add a dimension or a habit of thought to your repertoire. Anticipating moves is good for the mind, because it teaches you forward strategic thinking, but also empathy: you have to try and imagine what the other guy would do, why he would do it, and how you would counter.

    It’s a healthy habit of mind, like learning an ancient language, and whether you got it from chess or from elsewhere, it will stand you in good stead in business, in politics, whatever. It’s the same reason boxing, at least for an amateur, is a superior athletic pastime to lifting or distance running: you have to encounter the enemy, accurately size him up, and figure out what you would do in this or that situation. In cycling or running, you just travel real far real fast.

  528. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail

    Has Scott Alexander confirmed (or denied) that the health-insurance CEO shooter was one of his readers?

    Not that I can see either way.

    https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1hahupw/the_suspect_of_the_unitedhealthcare_ceos_shooters/

    https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1hahupw/comment/m1afavf/

    ScottAlexander

    His Twitter is full of praise for Tim Urban’s book “What’s Our Problem”, which is about how we get too fighty about politics and should instead accept that everyone has good points and try to talk rationally. Seems weird for someone who would kill a guy over the health system. Somebody was saying there were tweets by his friends over the past six months asking where he was and saying he had dropped off the face of the earth. 26 years old is a pretty common time to have a psychotic first break, so that’s my uninformed dumb guess. Maybe he took some weird drugs to help with his back pain, or maybe it was unprovoked and random.

    More write-ups on Luigi Mangione:

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting.html
    Archived: https://archive.is/fusmx

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-12-14/luigi-mangione-politics-united-healthcare-shooting
    Archived: https://archive.is/bsDm7

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/12/10/this-one-internet-subculture-explains-murder-suspect-luigi-mangiones-odd-politics/
    Archived: https://archive.is/7DZiD

    •�Replies: @MGB
  529. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You are just confirming what I said. Chess is a game. It is, among other things, intellectual exercise, but there is nothing possibly new in it that could lead to broadening one’s field of knowledge, insight & cognition. It is frequently a mind-sharpener of a specific kind, but not anything truly creative. Well defined game with strict rules.

    That’s why powerful computers can beat anyone in chess, but cannot produce any truly new equation or concept.

  530. @Jack D

    No, your approach is too narrow & pragmatic. Chess is, as I said-a game. You have rules. It is true that chess-playing requires a certain elasticity of mind; after all, it is an intellectualized game.

    But with, say, mathematics, physics, philosophy (not the current crap)… you got creativity. You create something new. Mathematics is not reducible to solving problems- for instance great mathematicians frequently opened completely new areas just by being bugged by certain problems & voila…an illumination came that connected disparate fields and opened new vistas. The same can be said about some metaphysical concepts like the Freudian notion of dynamic unconscious. It doesn’t matter it is not true in the old, dogmatic way. It was then, at the beginning of the 20th C, a novel idea that human beings behave, conceptualize & feel the world “out there” driven by impulses & complexes they are not aware of.

    Or, in the case of poetry, Lake poets open an era of confessional, personal poetry that was unthinkable a century or so earlier.

    So, it is about creativity where intelligence, in synergy with other gifts, creates something new, as yet non-existent.

    Chess is like, say, bridge, a game.

  531. @Mark G.

    Until American Jews start voting Republican in larger numbers and stop trying to get America involved in foreign wars that benefit Israel, there will be no complete identification of each party with a particular position on Jews versus Muslims.

    A reasonable man can differentiate between irritation & danger. Most (liberal) Jews are just irritating, when they act according to their clannish, sometimes supremacist ideas. It’s no more than itchy.

    Muslims, on the other hand, are a plague. No way to go around it. They are enemies of our civilization, they hate us & they are in conflict with anyone non-Muslim (except when they are too afraid to show it).

    Itch vs diabetes.

    Cole, whichever his weird ideas, was right… https://www.takimag.com/article/nazis_vs_muslims_who_hateth_the_most_david_cole/
    ……………………………………………………..
    It gets worse. According to a 2006-07 Pew study, here’s the level of support for suicide bombings among young Muslims (18 to 29 years old) living in non-Muslim nations:

    U.S.: 26%
    Great Britain: 35%
    France: 42%
    Germany: 22%
    Spain: 29%
    ……………………………………………………..
    And as bad as the above figures are, there’s one more comparison that can be made, and it’s truly chilling. Professor Peter Merkl’s landmark study “Political Violence Under the Swastika: 581 Early Nazis” (Princeton University Press, 1975) used contemporaneous biographical studies and personal documents to profile five hundred and eighty-one early, founding members of the Nazi Party (the hardcore Nazis who shaped the party and brought it to power). Merkl provided statistical analysis of the founding Nazis’ political, societal, and religious views: 33.3% of these Nazi Party members showed no interest in anti-Semitism. 14.3% expressed “mild verbal cliches” regarding Jews. 19.1% displayed “moderate” disdain for Jewish cultural influence in Germany. But only 12.9% advocated “violent countermeasures” against Jews.

    If you take Merkl’s findings and measure them against the Pew survey results, you’re left with a truly startling conclusion: There are more Muslims in today’s world who support violence in the name of defending Islam than there were founding members of the Nazi Party who supported violence against Jews.


    The average Rahman-in-the-street is more likely, today, to think you should die for being an infidel than the average veteran Nazi Party member, back in the 1930s, was likely to think a Jew should die for being a Jew.
    That’s stunning, and very, very ominous.

  532. epebble says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gukesh_Dommaraju is the current world champion and has a while to grow up and become wiser before he can be considered an intellectual.

    The previous young man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ding_Liren doesn’t appear much wiser.

  533. epebble says:
    @Hail

    Talking of manifestos, the girl who killed two yesterday in Madison, WI has also left a manifesto. It, while being filled with outbursts of a troubled child from a broken family, has a strong resonance that it represents what may be happening in a lot of troubled and broken families. This may be a fentanyl crisis bursting out from the barrel of a gun.

    https://channel2now.com/2024/12/16/article/news/crime/abundant-life-christian-school-shooter-natalie-rupnows-full-manifesto-revealed/

    •�Thanks: Hail, Ministry Of Tongues
    •�Replies: @Hail
    , @Jim Don Bob
  534. MGB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Day After Day”, impressed George so much he insisted on playing lead.

    Day after Day certainly has the feel of a Harrison song.

  535. MGB says:
    @Mr. Anon

    the careful, deliberate, millenia-long nursing of ancient ethnic grievances telling the rest of us to “Just get over it, already!”

    You’ll have to pry Jack D’s photo of the Mufti and Hitler from his cold, dead hands.

  536. MGB says:
    @MEH 0910

    There sure seem to be a whole lot of photos of the alleged killer in custody. Mangioni getting booked in his scarf; mangioni in his holding cell; mangioni’s defiant mug.

  537. @James B. Shearer

    Math is more varied and has lots of real world applications. Chess is more like memorizing thousands of digits of pi.

    Chuck Norris knows the last ten digits of pi.

  538. @Jack D

    It’s remarkable how few Americans even care about the Lolocaust…

    This happened in 1945, almost 30,000 days ago. So for most Americans under say 100, which is most Americans, this is ancient history. The “governments” of the world killed 80,000,000 people in WWII and we have no hard feelings there. The Vietnamese killed 50,000 around the same time and there’s no hard feelings.

    It was an unfortunate accident in the fog of war and Germany has repeatedly apologized and paid enormous amounts of compensation. Even if you don’t believe that, it was all a long time ago and should have nothing to do with current relations between the people and “government” of the United States and their German colony. The only people who bring this up are grifters. Everyone else (except maybe the immediate families affected, which is understandable) has moved on long ago. So what is surprising is not that most Americans don’t care about this minor incident but that you are still ranting and raving about it and expecting other people to care.

  539. Alden says:
    @AnotherDad

    750,000 young White men in the prime years of their lives. Not 600,000

  540. Jack D says:
    @Trinity

    Right because killing 6 million people over a period of six years is the same thing as a one day incident that killed 34.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  541. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Make your own movie. If you think there is a great unfulfilled demand for this among your 4.5 million antisemite buddies, do it. The million $ bills are just lying in the street waiting for you to pick them up.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Brutusale
  542. Curle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Curle’s point that Americans had a right to a slave but not to a pistol

    Had a right to retrieve property from another state. And anyway, all states retained the privilege of leaving so the supposed contradiction had its own remedy.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  543. @Jack D

    Overall it looks to have been a fog of war happenstance, egregious to be sure. But strange things happen.

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
    •�Replies: @Jack D
  544. Trinity says:
    @Jack D

    That “6 million “ canard was officially debunked years ago. Wasn’t it lowered by a couple of million? One Jewish rabbi claims that less than 1 million Jews were killed, the Red Cross figures were a couple hundred thousand. There was indeed a holocaust in WWII but the Germans were the ones literally burned to death by Allied bombing. At least 2 million German women and GIRLS raped by the “good guys.” Then there was something called the HOLODOMOR in 1932-1933 orchestrated by Jewish Bolsheviks like Genrikh Yagoda and Lazar Kaganovich. Russians, Germans, Japanese, and Chinese suffered far more in WWII, a war instigated by World Jewry than anyone else. Last I checked the Jews are not the only people who suffered as POW and only made up a fraction of the 50-60 million deaths in WWII.

    •�Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  545. @Curle

    Had a right to retrieve property from another state.

    What if it [sic] is not property under the laws of the other state? Why is a state forced to secede in order to change its internal laws, should they diverge from those of other states?

    This is not a dead issue. Contemporary examples:

    What if the property is contraband in the new state? A burglar steals your medical marijuana in Kentucky, and is arrested in Indiana, where the police will destroy it. Are those police duty-bound to return it to you? What if you bring it to Indiana? Do you still get to keep it, Dred Scott-style, to bring it home?

    Frozen embryos are property in most states, but are persons in Alabama. A divorcing spouse takes them there. Then what? Whose laws rule?

    Had a right to retrieve property from another state.

    What if that other state is in Mexico? Tamaulipas, yes– Estado Libre y Soberano de Tamaulipas– Ohio, no. “States’ rights” can be awfully selective. At times, hypocritically so.

  546. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Within a couple of years after the raid on Entebbe, there were two movies made about it.
    ==
    It ended well.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  547. Jack D says:
    @David In TN

    The thesis of the “it was deliberate” crowd is that if the Americans had knowledge of Israeli decision to invade Syria, they might have frustrated Israeli designs for the conquest of Syria’s Golan Heights and this “provides a plausible thesis that Israel deliberately decided to incapacitate the signals-collecting American ship and leave no one alive to tell the story of the attack” (Lenczowski).

    This is much less than plausible on multiple fronts. How was an American spy ship in the Mediterranean off of the Egyptian coast going to learn about Israeli land invasion plans in Syria? How were the Israelis so sure that the Americans were going to stop their invasion of Syria if they learned about it and that the Liberty and the Liberty alone was all that stood in their way? How was America going to stop the Israeli tanks from rolling? Even today when relations between the US and Israel are much closer than back then, it is a bedrock principle of Israeli foreign policy not put the fate of the Jewish people in the hands of third parties.

    The 2nd part of this that is implausible is the “leave no one alive to tell the tale” part. Again, Israeli military power back then is not what it is now, but they only killed 34 out of 293 crew members. This was far from “leaving no one alive”. If that was the plan, it was a big failure and the IDF doesn’t usually fail that badly.

    Like most conspiracy theories, you have to make a number of leaps of faith in order to buy into the story. Again, I understand perfectly why the surviving crew members were traumatized by this tragic event (it sure must have appeared to them at the time that the Israelis were trying their best to kill them all) and why some of them still believe that it was a deliberate attack but other folks don’t have this excuse. Except that antisemites have the eternal excuse.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  548. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Make your own movie. If you think there is a great unfulfilled demand for this among your 4.5 million antisemite buddies, do it. The million $ bills are just lying in the street waiting for you to pick them up.

    Yeah – right – make your own movie – start your own movie industry! This is the same snotty, disingenuous “advice” offered by those who deplatformed independent voices on the internet: Start your own bank! Start your own payment processor!

    Here’s some advice for Israel and its adherents: Build your own weapons! Pay for them yourself! Fight your own wars! Or is pointing out that America subsidizes Israel to the tune of several billion dollars every year (and not just the direct ~ $ 4 billion subsidy) also “antisemitic”. I seem to discern a pattern here: facts appear to be antisemitic. Who knew?

    By the way, you can casually throw around that “antisemite” label all you want, as indeed, you always do. Clearly it’s magic juju seems to have less power every day. And we can answer in return. Because, clearly, you and people like you are anti-gentiles.

    •�Agree: MGB
    •�Thanks: Trinity
  549. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    It ended well.

    Oh, and are all movies about things that ended well? I guess I never saw the end of Spartacus, or The Bridge on the River Kwai, or A Bridge Too Far, or Tora, Tora, Tora!, or The Execution of Private Slovik.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
  550. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    The thesis of the “it was deliberate” crowd is that if the Americans had knowledge of Israeli decision to invade Syria, they might have frustrated Israeli designs for the conquest of Syria’s Golan Heights and this “provides a plausible thesis that Israel deliberately decided to incapacitate the signals-collecting American ship and leave no one alive to tell the story of the attack”

    That is one thesis. There are others. That the Liberty had acquired intelligence about Israeli massacres of Egyptian POWs (which happened, although the scale of the incidents are in dispute), or that they just wanted to sink it, blame it on Egypt, and bring the US into the war on their side.

    I don’t claim to know what the purpose was. All I know is that virtually the entire defense and intelligence apparatus of the US government, as well as the crew of the Liberty, thought it to be a deliberate attack on a ship that Israel knew was an American ship. That is what THEY believed. Against that, I have you, Art Deco, and a handful of Israeli or pro-Israeli flacks who say otherwise.

    The 2nd part of this that is implausible is the “leave no one alive to tell the tale” part. Again, Israeli military power back then is not what it is now, but they only killed 34 out of 293 crew members. This was far from “leaving no one alive”. If that was the plan, it was a big failure and the IDF doesn’t usually fail that badly.

    Not for want of trying. They strafed the ship with machine gun fire and rockets. They dropped napalm on it. They fired several torpedos at the ship, one of which hit amidship. The torpedo boats even shot up all the lifeboats. And then they sent in marines in helicopters for…………what purpose exactly? To give them band-aids? Many in the crew suspected they were sent to finish off the crew and scuttle the ship. In that interview with Phillip Tourney, he says he saw one of the marines in a helicopter hovering above him. He flipped him off. And the Israeli marine smiled and flipped him off right back. Does that sound like the action of a contrite humanitarian on a rescue mission?

    •�Replies: @deep anonymous
  551. @The Anti-Gnostic

    You can be a POW getting smacked with a rifle butt

    This literally happened to German POWs of the Soviet Union

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Casualties

    Nietzsche himself is in many respects, profound and brilliant.

    His ideas were distorted and abused by his blonde baddie sister, for ideological purposes of National Socialists

    It’s happening again with the modern day right wing.

    •�Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  552. @Jim Don Bob

    Rudolph was an adherent to this ideology

    Christian Identity is a theology that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity.[31][32]

    Some Christian Identity churches preach with more violent rhetoric than others, but all of them believe that Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and other European peoples are the true Israelites and that modern Jews have dispossessed them of their identity as God’s chosen race.[33]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

    Sounds like a lot of the people here.

    Except Christianity is a Near Eastern religion whose earliest converts were brownoids and even blacks,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_Orthodox_Churches

    The other thing is that many White Nationalists are also adherents of Nietzsche, who defiled Christianity as much as anyone–

    “God is dead”

    “Compassion is a weakness”

    “Christianity is a ‘slave morality’; ‘a negation of life’, for it emphasized the afterlife and salvation after death, while it devalued this world and physical existence.”

  553. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    If you think there is a great unfulfilled demand for this among your 4.5 million antisemite buddies, do it.

    So anybody who even just tunes into Candace Owens podcast is an antisemite, eh? Interesting. There are certain things that, if you but see them or hear them, even just once, will turn you into an antisemite. Excuse me, a “rabid antisemite”, there being no other kind.

    By the way, have you checked your broom closet recently for antisemites, Jack? Looked under the bed? In the attic?

  554. @AnotherDad

    If anyone had known what the cost upfront, almost no one would have opted for such bloody stupidity.

    Why wasn’t there more reflection by people after WWI and WWII as well? Would all the parties involved have backed away from war if they could have seen the 17 million dead in WWI and the 73 million in WWII? That’s 90 million dead in about 30 years.

    Yet, all we heard were peacocks thumping their chest about how they had “fought evil”.

    I would like to note that those who claim war brings meaning to life are just plain stupid in the modern world. I’m no utopian and sometimes it is necessary, but in the past, at least you won something. Most of the wars we’ve had for 160 years didn’t even hold out the promise of any net gain. Especially against peer rivals.

  555. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s an easier sale. This is not that difficult.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  556. @Mr. Anon

    As I recall, the US intercepted Israeli radio communications between their ground control and some of the attacking pilots. One or more of the Israeli pilots notified ground control that they could see American markings on the ship and asked whether to continue the attack. Ground control said, “Yes!”

    Some accident.

    •�Replies: @Sam Malone
  557. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D

    Somebody call Mel Gibson! He has FU money because of a previous incident where the (((Hollywood Mafia))) left a million-dollar bill on the sidewalk.

  558. Hail says: •�Website
    @epebble

    On the Madison, Wisconsin shooter:

    Birth Information:
    Samantha Rupnow was born on November 7, 2009.

    Gender Clarification:
    She was born female and was not transgender, a point her boyfriend emphasized.

    She had just turned age-15 some weeks earlier, but had a “boyfriend.” Just not a boyfriend in the way you might think:

    The shooter’s boyfriend, who had known her for two years through a long-distance relationship, provided the following details:

    They met on social media and had never met in person.

    The manifesto shows she was radicalized to believe in the Evil White-Male Eternal Enemy idea. A branch of the Wokeness tree. Quote, from the meat of the manifesto:

    women are the only hope for this wretched world. But even women have been brainwashed by moids for too long theyve internalized the patriarchy and turned on each other, always begging for for male approval and validation. Its disgusting. I realize the truth men are iredeemable. radfem hitler was is fucking vindicated now. They cant be reformed or redeemed. Theyre a f**king scourge upon the earth. The only solution is to total exterminate them and every foid who worships these f**king parasites. Every single male must be wiped out, from babies to the elderly. Only then can women be free to create a new world. ill be a pioneer, ill be the first to take the first step.

    (What is a “moid”? What is a “foid”?)

    The pernicious doctrines of radical-feminism grabbed the poor girl, in a satanic-seeming embrace. An easy victim, given that she was already mentally unstable, deeply unhappy, and had experienced what is called “suicidal ideation.”

    There have always been people like this, sadly. The blame, when one of them does something that cannot be undone, can often be divvied up to many parties’ failures. Seldom in the past did any of these girls murder people like this, though.

    I interpret the manifesto to mean she was a believer in the doctrines of Holy Wokeness that she’d known her entire life (the stranger-by-the-year 2010s and these rather-shabby early-2020s of ours). Teen girls are almost necessarily often-emotional, fragile, at risk in certain ways, but also tend to be True Believers. She really did believe in Wokeness’ anti-male doctrines and perhaps would not have murdered two people had she never been exposed to those ideas.

    (The male teacher she may have tried to kill being absent that day, it is said she ended up killing a White-female substitute teacher in addition to a White child.)

    •�Thanks: Adam Smith
    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  559. @epebble

    TPTB and the MSM are so relieved that she’s not a tranny that they actually published her manifesto.

  560. Corvinus says:
    @AnotherDad

    ‘A) Slavery sucks.”

    No where did you even mention that slavery is immoral. Telling on your part.

    B) Lincoln was wrong.

    No, he was decidedly right. As you stated, “leaving is the fundamental right of any person or people or political entity”. Slaves were prohibited from removing themselves from a hellish, brutal existence. “Christian” slave owners remained steadfast in ensuring the continuation of this peculiar institution. Lincoln was compelled to remove this scourge, using force on his side as necessary.

    “In another generation, the backwardness and bankruptcy of slavery as system would have been more clear.”

    JFC, just stop. Slavery was established by abolitionists as socially backward, but financially, it remained a potent force.

    “It would probably have been abolished peacefully in some fashion … and the nation reunited”.

    This is just fanciful thinking on your part. Apparently, it’s no big deal to you that 20 to 40 more years go by and the darkies remain enslaved. Maybe southern white slave owners would have had a change of heart. But, as YOU stated, “leaving is the fundamental right of any person”; hence, Lincoln’s actions.

    “If anyone had known what the cost upfront, almost no one would have opted for such bloody stupidity.”

    Freedom always has a price.

  561. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    The conquerors were European whites and their white southern U.S. counterparts, putting into place a system where the “law” perpetuated a heinous labor system. Blacks were arbitrarily declared as subhuman worthy of being saved by the crack of the whip. Anyone who dared to cross the slave master and the system was summarily punished. The person who acts in good faith argumentation takes these facts into account when assessing the justification of the Civil War.

    •�Replies: @Curle
    , @Trinity
  562. epebble says:
    @epebble

    Confirmed. Not good news.

    ‘Spy drones’ from China are likely cause of unexplained aircraft wreaking havoc over US, House foreign affairs chair says in bombshell claim

    https://nypost.com/2024/12/17/us-news/spy-drones-from-china-are-likely-cause-of-unexplained-aircraft-wreaking-havoc-over-us-house-foreign-affairs-chair-says-in-bombshell-claim/

  563. @Trinity

    Jack is a fucking idiot and a troll. Might as well call him Hasbara. Steve-O likes him, and Steve-O is always, always, always safe inside the mainstream, Zionist baseline.

    I remember here when Steve-O blatantly asked JackeD for JackeD’s email address. That was when Steve-O had some legal issue. Steve-O openly invited JackeD into his sphere, whereas I had honestly, openly, made friendly relations with Steve.

    As soon as I became not-beneficial to Steve, I became persona non grata.

    I noted how Steve eagerly had picked me for possible, upper-class people in my Connecticut. Oh, yes, he lit up and tried hard to find out if I had any connections! What a typical (dare I say it) “Jew.”

    Not that Steve is a Jew or anything. I only know that he claimed, rather clearly, to be heavily “Jew.”

    Well, guess what: I can make the same claim, as it has been in my family my whole life. But, you know what? All evidence I can find so far indicates that I am as far from a Jew as the moons of Jupiter are from Pluto.

    Personally I don’t believe an ounce of Steve’s WISH to be Jewish, either. You see, there is a thing now, a terrible consequence of the combination of Jewish power and Goy insecurity that results in Goys actually wanting to be Jews.

    Funny, but it’s true. That is just another sign of Who Rules Over You! You can’t criticize them — and you want to be them!

    No matter. Steve-O has given his fellow Zionist War Criminal, JackeD, free reign here for a long time.

    Steve is suspect.

    JackeD is despicable.

    And if you wonder if I’m drunk, hell yes! I just enjoyed a bottle of Motivo prosecco and leftover pork tenderloin. Fantastic! Most of you fuckers can’t cook at all and know nothing about food or drink aside from what media tells you to consume. God bless you, looking forward to a very Merry Christmas!

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  564. Curle says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You’re the one who thinks the Thirteenth Amendment is a tyrannical assault on your liberty, and that Lincoln was the 19th-century analogue to “literally Hitler”. (Does that make Adolf literally Lincoln? I’d put Abe somewhere in the middle of the pack, neither Jesus nor Satan.)

    You’ve got all sorts of point and sputter exercises that I assume you think operate as a substitute for understanding what entity was or was not granted organic power over the citizens of the states and how that power and authority was derived. The derivation of organic authority for the colonies turned states is very clear, it was transferred from the prior possessor, Great Britain, to the states via the Treaty of Paris. There is no equivalent peaceful transfer of authority from the states to the Union which was understood at its SECOND creation to operate at the sufferance of its principals the states.

    The creation of a second Union was not an exercise in moral projection as you seem to want to imagine but it was an standard intergovernmental agreement through which separate states with their own organic authority established ground rules for the pursuit of common interests as long as the arrangements served the interests of those principals. But this is critically important: at no point in time were organic powers, which are ultimate territorial powers, transferred to another entity, e.g., the Union, except conditionally. The condition being a state’s continued desire to maintain the association.

    •�Thanks: Sam Malone
  565. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    The conquerors were European whites and their white southern U.S. counterparts, putting into place a system where the “law” perpetuated a heinous labor system.

    This has no relevance to the question of what was the nature of the Union created by the states. The states existed because they were recognized by the previous possessor of the territory, Great Britain. There is no record of the states recognizing the entity known as the United States as possessing any organic authority aside from that lent them for the purpose of managing certain limited common interests on behalf of the states and their citizens and for so long as each state should decide to indulge them. Slavery was not the major subject of contention during the congressional election of 1860, tariffs were. Lincoln even refused to oppose the Corwin Amendment to the constitution which passed Congress with a majority composed of members of both parties and was sent to the states for ratification. The Corwin Amendment would have made slavery permanent.

    Slavery was a hot topic in the North principally because Northerners did not want freed slaves moving North and Northerners wanted tariffs on Southern agriculture to increase federal tax revenues which could be put to use developing commercial infrastructure in the North and protecting Northern industries from competition with British goods.

    •�Thanks: Mark G.
    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  566. Anonymous[202] •�Disclaimer says:
    @deep anonymous

    Here is the thing about the USS liberty: what is the big thing you are wanting to expose?

    Israel already admitted they did it. Of course, they claim it was an accident. But what other explanation are you driving at? Are you saying they did it on purpose just out of cruelty?

    The only possible reason I’ve heard they might do it on purpose was to somehow sucker the USA into thinking the Egyptians did it. But that doesn’t seem very likely.

    I guess I’m at a loss as to what you hope to further gain by talking about the USS liberty. What explanation are you hoping for that would somehow make all of the American people turn against Israel.

    •�Troll: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @deep anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
  567. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    It’s an easier sale. This is not that difficult.

    So what was the sales pitch for The Execution of Private Slovik? Let’s make an uplifting movie about a poor hapless slob who was drafted and just doesn’t want to do die or kill other people, whom the American Army stood up against a wall and drilled with a half dozen or so 30-06 rounds. The feel good movie of 1974!

    You’re right that it is not that difficult. A particular ethnic group which has enormous influence, power, and ownership in the movie business has no interest in movies that might portray their co-ethnics in a bad light.

  568. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hail

    Although a self-proclaimed radical feminist, it seems that both of the victims she killed were female, if I’ve read the news stories right.

    It would be interesting to know if she was always so disturbed, or if she suddenly took a turn to the self-destructive nihilism that she ultimately embraced. If so, I wonder if it started in 2020?

    •�Replies: @Hail
  569. @Corvinus

    No, he was decidedly right. As you stated, “leaving is the fundamental right of any person or people or political entity”. Slaves were prohibited from removing themselves from a hellish, brutal existence.

    I would point out here that it’s possible to believe that both Lincoln and slavery are wrong.

    Lincoln could have done more to compromise with the South before going to war. He not only wanted a war but expected to quickly defeat them. It was supposed to be an army of volunteers but then he later conscripted and forced 18 year olds to die for the cause.

    He was also the first president to suspend the constitution. He actually imprisoned members of the press that were critical of the war.

    •�Replies: @deep anonymous
    , @Corvinus
  570. Trinity says:
    @Corvinus

    Lol. I guess you didn’t know that poor Whites probably picked MORE cotton than any Blacks in the South. My guess is even as slaves, Blacks were USUALLY lazy and unproductive, that is just a guess, but what I am not guessing about is poor Whites picking cotton or poor Whites ( even children) being subjected to brutal working conditions in factories in the North and South ( particularly the South. )
    Poor Mary Phagan was only a 13 year old CHILD toiling in a factory in Georgia before she was raped and murdered by Leo Frank. Hmm, Frank was a supervisor or some other high paid do nothing. Puzzling, I keep hearing or reading about how Jews were oppressed or discriminated against especially in the South but it was a poor White GIRL who was WORKING while Frank was pushing pencils? Frank tried to pin it on the Black janitor. I guess those Southern JawJuh rednecks weren’t so racist after all, yah?

    And self righteous Yankees were involved in the Slave trade as well. Wasn’t Grant a slave owner? And Jews and Arabs were more brutal than any fictional Simon Legree ever thought about being.

  571. @Mr. Anon

    “So what was the sales pitch for The Execution of Private Slovik? Let’s make an uplifting movie about a poor hapless slob who was drafted and just doesn’t want to do die or kill other people, whom the American Army stood up against a wall and drilled with a half dozen or so 30-06 rounds. The feel good movie of 1974!”

    IIRC it was a made-for-TV movie, not a studio/screen movie (so easier to make, no box office to track, also low budget and based on a well-known book, so, no-brainer). I don’t have a dog in this “USS Liberty” fight (well not a direct one) and I never actually saw “The Execution of Private Slovik”, but I can tell you that, as a white working-class schoolboy in the 70s who grew up hearing about the Vietnam war pretty much every day, a movie like that was very much of personal interest to an alarmed ten-year-old who knew even from comic books that he was grade-A future cannon fodder. So there was definitely an interested audience. Also, Martin Sheen was a rising star with the wind in his sails, I’m sure plenty of people wanted to back a cheap star-project for him.

    The movie was a low-budget, not-a-hit, sort of indie movie for those days — the reason me and my friends even knew about it at all was that it got written up in all the “Scholastic”-type free magazines for kids that they handed out in school, alongside blurbs about Star Wars. That’s right, little kids in school were reading about and debating questions like just war theory, conscientious objector status, what was an individual’s moral obligation to serve in the military, when or if it was right to ever refuse, etc. We talked about that stuff. It really was actually a free country back then.

    ALSO: the two best made-for-TV movies of the 1970s: “A Cold Night’s Death” and “Bad Ronald”. I always wondered why there was never a big studio remake of Bad Ronald. Oh well.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  572. Hail says: •�Website
    @Mr. Anon

    I wonder if [she started to be do disturbed] in 2020?

    The Wisconsin school shooter, Samantha Rupnow ,was age 11 when the Corona-Panic swept the field and conquered all before it in early 2020.

    Assuming she was in 9th grade here in the 2024-25 school year, she’ll have been in 4th grade when the shutdowns, lockdowns, and Panic happened back in spring 2020. The following life-timeline may offer clues into why she did it, and windows into the struggles of millions of others (even if very few will ever do what she did).

    November 2009: Samantha Rupnow was born to two full-White parents. They are reported to have divorced, remarried, and divorced again. It’s possible the lingering effects of the Great Recession of ca. late 2008 to ca. 2014 affected the strength of this relationship, negatively affecting the mental health of the daughter through no fault of her own.

    mid-2010s: The girl emerged into a hazy sort of early consciousness of how the world works. She is in mid-childhood susceptibility to “narratives” (as we like to say these days) in the late-2010s, when children pick up certain views they don’t understand or cannot yet make sense of, but which do affect them. She had her seventh birthday the month Trump was elected for the first time (November 2016).

    Important to her story are two things: (1.) she emerged into a heavily-online wider culture with lots of social-media toxicity. And in an era of a kind of cultural-default anti-White-Male Wokeness. She’ll have been exposed to some leading-edge elements of this sort of Wokeness in the blue-dot that is Madison, Wisconsin. That despite her parents’ attempts to stem the tide by putting her in a Christian school. She’s perhaps already in something of a bad place when the weeks of the 2010s decade ran out, despite only being in the middle of 4th grade.

    2019-20 school year: The shooter’s 4th-grade year — up to 40% of the school year is “lost” to shutdowns, restrictions, social disruptions to the point of isolation, depression, negativity.

    Towards the end of her 4th-grade school-year and then all through the summer and all through the following school-year (her 5th-grade year), the culture was rattled not by the soon-“twinned” phenomenon of the Corona-Panic regime and an anti-White race-panic.

    The early-2020s political climate (a particularly emboldened Wokeness) differed maybe in magnitude — in level of social-cultural saturation — but not so much in content from her earliest politically relevant memories from around the mid-2010s.

    2020-21 school year: The shooter’s 5th-grade year — entire school year lost to normality.

    2021-22 school year: The shooter’s 6th-grade year — most of school year affected by lingering effects of the Corona-Panic and perhaps the curriculum, too, places more emphasis on hero-worship of feminists, Blacks, LGBTQs, and more, reinforcing influences the girl had already gotten for much of her life and riling her up yet more.

    2022-23 school year: The shooter’s 7th-grade year — Back to normality with regard to “Covid” rulres and disruptions, mostly, but the school-curriculum and tenor of teenage discourse probably still affected a lot by the anti-White racial tone that set in after mid-2020.

    2023-24 school year: The shooter’s 8th-grade year — The girl is reportedly depressed and suicidal throughout her 8th-grade year, and by this time had consumed much online content from “Incel” forums (Thanks to Adam Smith at Peak Stupidity for telling me what “Moid” and “Foid” mean), and a toxic sort of ideology had probably set in in which she blamed men for all world problems.

    2024-25 school year: The shooter’s 9th-grade year — plans a mass-shooting and carries it out half-way through the school year, kills herself, leaves manifesto urging more males and pro-male women be shot in support of “radfem hitler” ideals.

    ___________

    Those of us reading this in 2024, we all went through the “growing up” process I’ve sketched above. Between childhood (as in the early-spring of the shooter’s 4th-grade year, when those pushing lockdowns and school-closures won the day) and mid-teenage (as when the girl shot several people are her school in the name of radical-feminism).

    What kind of negative effects might the same disruptions and negativity of the early 2020s have had on us and our cohorts? It’s a humbling, and troubling, thought.

  573. @Anonymous

    Whose interests were served by keeping the story of the USS Liberty suppressed?

    Besides, that sorry episode is part of a pattern of Israeli behavior. Remember the terror bombing of the King David Hotel? You might read By Way of Deception by Victor Ostrovsky. Israel is the master of the false flag operation.

    If it were more widely known that Israel and Jewish special interests completely control the US Government, the ordinary masses might not be so eager to “consent” to the tyrannical monstrosity on the Potomac. Consider me an idealist.

  574. @John Johnson

    Agree. I think it is ridiculous to ignore the historical fact that many nations (under Western influence) abolished slavery around the same time as the US “Civil War” but managed to do so without waging war.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  575. Trinity says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    And a MERRY CHRISTMAS to you, Mr. Buzz Mohawk and a Happy New Year!!

  576. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    If you’re looking to be agentic, it’s easier if you’re big and physically fit, no question. Or carry a weapon and be proficient with it. Kyle Rittenhouse pacified BLM and antifa, over all of Wisconsin state government.

    Or, you can have extraordinary will to power despite your small frame and convince others to fight for you, like Napoleon or Adolf Hitler.

    Few of Nietzsche’s critics have bothered to learn that he regarded anti-Semitism as slave morality.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
  577. Art Deco says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Or, you can have extraordinary will to power despite your small frame and convince others to fight for you, like Napoleon or Adolf Hitler.
    ==
    Napoleon’s size was normal range for a French soldier of his vintage.

    •�Replies: @prosa123
  578. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    So what was the sales pitch for The Execution of Private Slovik?
    ==
    It was a TV movie broadcast nearly 30 years after the fact. The only sales pitch was to the producers and network officialdom.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  579. prosa123 says:
    @Art Deco

    Confusion involving an archaic French measurement system led to the incorrect belief that Napoleon was very short. Another factor was that he was always surrounded by huge hulking bodyguards, which made him appear small in person.

    Hitler was 5’9″, average height.

  580. @deep anonymous

    Yes, Evans and Novak reported in the Washington Times in 1981 that our Beirut listening station intercepted Israeli communications during the attack where the Israeli fighter jets specified that the ship was American and asked twice for confirmation to go ahead with the attack, and the answer was affirmative.

    •�Thanks: deep anonymous, Mr. Anon
  581. @Corvinus

    “In another generation, the backwardness and bankruptcy of slavery as system would have been more clear.”

    Actually slavery had been abolished in the British empire a generation earlier, and the American slave-owning states were very well aware of this, and so was Chief Justice Rodger Taney.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  582. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    slavery had been abolished in the British empire a generation earlier

    The American Revolution worked out pretty well for the British as it turns out. They got to finance or invest in slave labor cotton production in the US to help grow their midlands textile industry while simultaneously avoiding the problems the presence of Blacks brought to the UK after the Revolution. The earlier Black settlers to the UK having been repatriated to Africa.

  583. Anonymous[202] •�Disclaimer says:

    Of course, slavery was a system that existed everywhere on earth for thousands of years because it worked. Before slavery, tribes simply exterminated each other. But with material and economic advances other humans could now be used as labor instead of just killing them.

    After the industrial revolution, it became less viable.

  584. “They got to finance or invest in slave labor cotton production in the US to help grow their midlands textile industry while simultaneously avoiding the problems the presence of Blacks brought to the UK after the Revolution.”

    Unfortunately, a future generation of traitorous “leaders” would throw away that advantage and import the Third World to the UK, destroying it forever.

    •�Agree: Curle
  585. @deep anonymous

    “Whose interests were served by keeping the story of the USS Liberty suppressed?”

    If the self-serving Jews of Israel simply felt it was in their best interests to attack their own ally’s ship with planes and kill a bunch of dumb goy sailors for the Greater Good… hmmm, well, what *other* very large objects might they be willing to destroy with planes, then lie about it, in order to serve the greatest good of all, What’s Best for the Jews, all other considerations be damned?

    •�Replies: @deep anonymous
  586. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I’m seeing the Dancing Israelis. As I recall, a journo named Carl Cameron wrote a multi-part expo exploring Israel’s role in 9-11 but it got deep-sixed by Fox News.

    •�Replies: @Trinity
  587. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    You’re special pleading. There have been plenty of movies about disastrous events, even big-budget movies. There appears to be no reason why the Liberty incident shouldn’t be worthy of a movie treatment other than the ethnicities involved.

    You know, no matter how much you flack for another tribe, they still aren’t going to like you. But, suit yourself, you ridiculous boomer clown.

    •�LOL: William Badwhite
  588. Trinity says:
    @deep anonymous

    Lucky Larry sure was “lucky” that day. COHENcidence?

    •�LOL: deep anonymous
  589. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It was a made-for-TV movie. So was this – Pueblo:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070573/

    A movie about a humiliating naval incident in the late 60s. For some reason, it was deemed movie-worthy. The Liberty was not. I don’t believe that’s an accident, Jack D’s ethnic excuse-making or Art Deco’s boomer-coping notwithstanding.

    Bad Ronald was a classic piece of schlock, certainly one of the most memorable of the many good 1970s made-for-TV movies. My vote for the best would be either The Night Strangler or The Legend of Lizzie Borden, with an honorable mention for The Groundstar Conspiracy and Assault on the Wayne (with Leonard Nimoy in a rare starring role).

    I’ve never seen A Cold Night’s Death. I’ll have to check it out. Thanks.

  590. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    “This has no relevance to the question of what was the nature of the Union created by the states.”

    JFC, stop being obtuse. My response was countering your assertion that “It is conquest otherwise and that is what Lincoln and the North were, conquerors who didn’t care about the law or those parts that got in their way”. It is most assuredly relevant despite your hand wringing. Of course the argument over tariffs was a major concern. But slavery was the driving force between Union and Confederacy, with white southerners objecting to Lincoln’s insistence it not expand to the territories. Moreover, you outright refuse to take into serious account the moral underpinnings of the situation. It was a fight for our soul as a nation. But your ancestors relished the notion of controlling “subhuman heathens” by way of backbreaking labor while sipping on their mint julip,

    •�Troll: Trinity
    •�Replies: @Curle
  591. Corvinus says:
    @John Johnson

    “I would point out here that it’s possible to believe that both Lincoln and slavery are wrong.”

    I didn’t state to the contrary.

    “Lincoln could have done more to compromise with the South before going to war.”

    There is no compromise on stopping dead in its track a moral scourge. White southern slaveowners were dead set at this time to keep their labor system and its accompanying social order.

    “He was also the first president to suspend the constitution. He actually imprisoned members of the press that were critical of the war.”

    A complicated time, no doubt, one that we can assess as being unconstitutional. But given the situation and circumstances, one could reasonable argue his actions were necessary.

    •�Replies: @John Johnson
  592. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    you outright refuse to take into serious account the moral underpinnings of the situation. It was a fight for our soul as a nation.

    The moral underpinnings that your argument relies upon have quite clear upper boundaries as established by the Corwin amendment that Lincoln refused to oppose and that was adopted with support of northern delegations; should the right of states to allow slavery be bootstrapped (protected) even more than previously in the language of the constitution? Answer of Congress and the President: yes.

    That you desperately want to substitute your preferences and ascribe them to people of the past rather than honestly describe THEIR preferences is why so many here describe your historical claims as meretricious. Such exercises are meretricious.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  593. @Mr. Anon

    I saw it when The Execution of Private Slovik was a TV movie on NBC. I read that Frank Sinatra wanted to make a movie about it around 1960 but it was turned down. It supposedly couldn’t be made while General Eisenhower was still alive.

    A coworker of mine told me his father was in the 28th Infantry Division and was a member of the firing squad that shot Slovik. The names of the firing squad are in William Bradford Huie’s book on Slovik. I checked and his name was on the list.

  594. Corvinus says:
    @deep anonymous

    “Agree. I think it is ridiculous to ignore the historical fact that many nations (under Western influence) abolished slavery around the same time as the US “Civil War” but managed to do so without waging war.”

    With the difference being one region of the country unwilling to remove this scourge on its own accord. Slavery is immoral, right? Furthermore, its Civil War, no quotations.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
  595. Corvinus says:
    @Trinity

    “Lol. I guess you didn’t know that poor Whites probably picked MORE cotton than any Blacks in the South”

    Then why did your own ancestors in the South willingly engage in depraved immoral acts? Seems to me you take no umbrage to enslavement.

    “Blacks were USUALLY lazy and unproductive, that is just a guess, but what I am not guessing about is poor Whites picking cotton or poor Whites ( even children) being subjected to brutal working conditions in factories in the North and South ( particularly the South. )”

    That’s what white Capitalists do. Your brethren.

    “Poor Mary Phagan was only a 13 year old CHILD toiling in a factory in Georgia before she was raped and murdered by Leo Frank.”

    Red herring. Of course, your southron ancestors were notorious for rape with nubile slave girls. Yet no moral outrage on your part here. Typical.

    “I keep hearing or reading about how Jews”

    You have a Jew fetish. It’s weird.

    “And self righteous Yankees were involved in the Slave trade as well.”

    Indeed, fueled by your ancestors demand. Greed personified.

  596. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    The moral underpinnings that your argument relies upon have quite clear upper boundaries as established by the Corwin amendment that Lincoln refused to oppose and that was adopted with support of northern delegations; should the right of states to allow slavery be bootstrapped (protected) even more than previously in the language of the constitution? Answer of Congress and the President: yes”

    Except your point is neutered given that the southern states didn’t trust Lincoln to intervene in stopping slavery from expanding onto the territories. That was his political trump card.
    And what you are so desperate to avoid is that he consistently expressed that he slavery was morally wrong, most notably in his “Peoria Speech” where he opposed the spread of slavery.

    Indeed, that you desperately want to substitute your preferences and ascribe them to people of the past rather than honestly describe THEIR preferences is downright heinous.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  597. @Bardon Kaldian

    I am not too informed about some of these things simply because I don’t care, but Palestinians refused their state with 92% of the West Bank & east Jerusalem as their capital. Evidently, this is a cast of mind different from rational modern people.

    They don’t want territory, they just want to fight to the death. This is how they have lived since the bronze age. They are leftovers from an earlier stage of human development.

  598. Anonymous[202] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Why do you say slavery is immoral?

    It provided a far better life for tens of millions of people than they otherwise would’ve had. Wouldn’t it have been immoral not to do it?

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  599. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    And what you are so desperate to avoid is that he consistently expressed that he slavery was morally wrong, most notably in his “Peoria Speech” where he opposed the spread of slavery.

    What you are so desperate to avoid is that in addition to giving self serving speeches he AGREED to the permanent protection of the institution of slavery. And that the results of the criminal war he waged was the death of 1/4 of the former slave population of the South during the early years of Reconstruction. He was so noble he allowed millions of slaves to die of starvation for his principles.

    But, if mass death is

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  600. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    The only possible reason I’ve heard they might do it on purpose was to somehow sucker the USA into thinking the Egyptians did it. But that doesn’t seem very likely.

    Who says it doesn’t seem very likely? You? Who are you?

    There have been credible assertions (not proven, mind you, but credible) that Israel was involved in the assassination of JFK. If they actually whacked the President, sinking a US Naval vessel is small potatoes in comparison. Hell, the US Navy itself probably shot down an American airliner (TWA 800) and that has been almost completely suppressed.

    •�Replies: @Manfred Arcane
  601. @Mr. Anon

    The Israeli air force bombed one of its own columns in tbe West Bank by mistake during the same war, so incompetence and recklessness can’t be ruled out as explanations for the Liberty incident; even Jews don’t necessarily have a fiendish plan behind everything they do. The only explanation of the whole affair I’ve heard that makes any sense, aside from the official Fog of War version, is that the Israelis were worried that intelligence on their troop movements would be picked up by the Liberty, broadcast to Washington, and intercepted by the Soviets, who in turn could relay it to the Egyptians. In other words, with typical paranoia and ruthlessness, they made a hurried decision to plug a perceived intelligence leak, allies be damned. The idea that the attack was made to cover up something greater, like imaginary Proof of the True Evilness of the campaign in the West Bank, is ludicrous; if the Israelis were confident that they could get away with attacking a US ship without repercussions from DC, they’d also be confident that the US would never release such damaging proof of their misdeeds in the first place, obviating any need for the attack. The Liberty attack is the JFK assassination for the Jews in my Sandwich crowd, that epochal event that carries immeasurable significance for the enlightened, and the Truth of which needs to be communicated to the masses in order to “wake them up.” In reality, even if it was definitely proved that the Israelis intentionally attacked the Liberty, with full knowledge of its identity, it wouldn’t have any effect on most Americans’ views of Israel; it’s too old and too isolated an event to have the world-shaking consequences that some of the folks here seem to imagine. The Japanese did much worse at Pearl Harbor alone, and we got pretty warm and fuzzy about them within a few years after the close of the second world war.

    •�Troll: Mike Tre
    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  602. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Why do you say slavery is immoral?”

    And once again, the deranged anony strikes again.

    “It provided a far better life for tens of millions of people than they otherwise would’ve had. “

    So you have no problem with white boys and white girls currently being exploited in the modern international slave trade. Bastard.

  603. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    “What you are so desperate to avoid is that in addition to giving self serving speeches he AGREED to the permanent protection of the institution of slavery.”

    You remain obtuse. Lincoln was opposed to the expansion of slavery into the territories. But like most of his fellow Americans at the time, he thought the federal government was prevented by the Constitution from abolishing slavery in states where it already existed.

    Yet he was steadfast in his conviction that slavery wax immoral. Why do you refuse to openly admit this fact? Have you no decency?

    “And that the results of the criminal war he waged”

    You mean the results of a civi war between two sides who had fundamental disagreements.

    “He was so noble he allowed millions of slaves to die of starvation for his principles.”

    As opposed to the South leaving the Union and enabling southern plantation owners to brutalize their “property” for another 20 to 40 years. No skin of your nose, right?

    Then, maybe they get a conscious by freeing their slaves? What happens thereafter?

    Regardless, you are wildly simplistic in your characterization. But in a very good book by Jim Downs called “Sick From Freedom”, he writes how racial attitudes remained entrenched in America after the Civil War, and overall disinterest by northerners and southerners regarding the plight of ex-slaves led to disease and starvation. Indeed, a horrific social cost, but freedom based on a MORAL cause was worth it. If it was up to you, the darkies would have just remained thankful for the benevolence of their masters.

    “But, if mass death is”

    Penny to finish your thoughts?

    •�Replies: @Curle
    , @Anonymous
  604. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    You remain obtuse. Lincoln was opposed to the expansion of slavery into the territories.

    Comedic claim from a guy defending an act of treason against the law by Lincoln effectuated by assuming powers not provided to the Executive of the Union for the purpose of killing innocents to the tune of hundreds of thousands.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  605. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:plnwksgi2xhmofdinax65cjy/post/3lcviqojshk2n

    Nick Martin‪
    @nick-martin.bsky.social‬

    Luigi Mangione, the suspected CEO assassin, appears to have a Substack account. He didn’t post anything there, but he subscribed to Astral Codex Ten, Sam Harris, Jonathan Haidt and other assorted publications.

    https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:plnwksgi2xhmofdinax65cjy/bafkreid5kxjzgypjd7fytizq5ywtvpmozrxbaduc4niw7arkoldxr6ze5i@jpeg

    •�Thanks: Hail
  606. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    “Comedic claim from a guy defending an act of treason against the law by Lincoln effectuated by assuming powers not provided to the Executive of the Union for the purpose of killing innocents to the tune of hundreds of thousands.”

    This is where your southron streak of stubbornness gets the best of you.

    Lincoln took a political stand in that slavery would not be allowed to expand into the territories. You can’t openly admit that slavery is immoral, and that your ancestors were dead set to free their darkies on their own accord. Rather, they felt justified to bleed out another two to four decades of profits at the expense of freedom and human decency. It’s sickening that you tacitly endorse this “solution” to avoid a civil war.

    •�Replies: @Curle
  607. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail

    Interview with Tim Urban:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/18/opinion/luigi-mangione-writer-tim-urban.html
    Archived: https://archive.is/ZQ2AF

    Can Anyone Make Sense of Luigi Mangione? Maybe His Favorite Writer.

  608. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    Lincoln took a political stand in that slavery would not be allowed to expand into the territories.

    Lincoln waged a murderous war that was outside his scope of authority. His ambitions are irrelevant.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  609. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    “Lincoln waged a murderous war that was outside his scope of authority. “

    You mean that the North and South waged war over fundamental differences, most notably over the issue of slavery. In the end, justice prevailed—slavery ended, but at a heavy price for those involved. Although, the South rose again by way of Jim Crow, which was another moral abomination.

    You seem to have no soul when it comes to the brutalization of people. Maybe it would take one of your own family members, heaven forbid, to get kidnapped and be subject to wanton cruelty. Then maybe you’d get it through your thick skull.

    “His ambitions are irrelevant.”

    Says who? YOU? Your own ancestors enslaved blacks and enriched themselves from their labor.

    Besides, it wasn’t his ambition. It was the ambitions of the American people that he represented who sought to remove a moral scourge. For you, it doesn’t matter a whit if a group of people was held in perpetual bondage, against their will, with their children living in misery and despair.

    You have no honor and no decency.

    •�Replies: @Mr. Anon
  610. Mr. Anon says:
    @Manfred Arcane

    The Liberty attack is the JFK assassination for the Jews in my Sandwich crowd,

    Funny you should mention the JFK assassination…………………..

    https://www.unz.com/book/michael_collins_piper__final-judgment/

    By the way, is there a “Goyim in my Sandwich” crowd? Jews who blame the Goyim for everything?

    In reality, even if it was definitely proved that the Israelis intentionally attacked the Liberty, with full knowledge of its identity, it wouldn’t have any effect on most Americans’ views of Israel; it’s too old and too isolated an event to have the world-shaking consequences that some of the folks here seem to imagine. The Japanese did much worse at Pearl Harbor alone, and we got pretty warm and fuzzy about them within a few years after the close of the second world war.

    The American public hasn’t been gas-lit and shined on for the last eighty years that the Japanese are our best pals in the World. They have been so gas-lit and shined on about Israel, a country that routinely spies on us and treats us like a schmuck.

  611. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    You have no honor and no decency.

    You’re a funny one to talk, you yammering turd.

  612. Curle says:

    You mean that the North and South waged war over fundamental differences, most notably over the issue of slavery.

    No. I said what I meant.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  613. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    Let this sink in.

    For you, it doesn’t matter a whit if a group of people was held in perpetual bondage, against their will, with their children living in misery and despair.

    You have no honor and no decency.

  614. @Mr. Anon

    “By the way, is there a “Goyim in my Sandwich” crowd? Jews who blame the Goyim for everything?”

    Yes, it is called Judaism.

    Or just Yiddishkeit, if you’re a secularist.

  615. Anonymous[117] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Black slaves in the South were often healthier than white workers in the north. We have medical evidence. Some system of tyranny!

    The truth is Blacks, especially in large numbers, are not good at running their own lives and impose great harm on the society around them. That is why South Africa had apartheid and life was better off under it.

    Blacks had been brought over by the Spanish, the Portuguese and the British to work plantations. It was a win-win situation. Because they were still slaves back in Africa and life was much worse for them there.

    MORAL cause was worth it

    Morality isn’t supposed to be a species of self-destruction.

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  616. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Black slaves in the South were often healthier than white workers in the north. We have medical evidence. Some system of tyranny!”

    You’re the same deranged anony who has made similar claims. It’s already been proven that unsanitary conditions, inadequate nutrition and unrelenting hard labor made slaves highly susceptible to disease. Illnesses were generally not treated adequately, and slaves were often forced to work even when sick.

    And, of course, you’re missing the overall point here. Africans at that time were a free people. They had every liberty to not be taken by force from their homeland.

    “That is why South Africa had apartheid and life was better off under it. Blacks had been brought over by the Spanish, the Portuguese and the British to work plantations.”

    This is why fascists like yourself are deservedly shot.

    “Morality isn’t supposed to be a species of self-destructioon”.

    This makes absolutely no sense. Regardless, slavery is immoral. That is an established fact.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
  617. Anonymous[117] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    We have skeletal remains of black slaves versus white workers up north, and there is no doubt that the black slaves were in better shape.

    Africans at that time were a free people.

    Sub-Saharan Africa was full of slaves under the control of blacks. It would’ve been logistically impossible to go catch actual free, black men with a butterfly net, and bring them over.

    This is why fascists like yourself are deservedly shot.

    People who challenge your Marxist fairytale notions deserve to be shot? In the end, “race blind“ CivNats have to resort to killing to prop up their mulatto utopia.

    If the mulatto utopia is so wonderful, why do they shoot us when we question it?

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  618. @Corvinus

    There is no compromise on stopping dead in its track a moral scourge. White southern slaveowners were dead set at this time to keep their labor system and its accompanying social order.

    The moral scourge that Lincoln allowed in Northern states as the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the South. So even Lincoln had his own exemptions and the main slave trade was outside of the US. If he was so opposed to slavery then why start with the South instead of Portugal? They were extremely cruel when compared to Southern Whites.

    Horrible wars have been fought in the name of moral authority. War should be reserved as a last resort and Lincoln had zero interest in dialog with the South. He had pre-existing resentments that went beyond slavery. There is no excuse for his rush to war and he never proposed any of his suggestions related to Liberia to congress. Lincoln thought he would be the South in less than a year and then burden them with a post-slavery population. Southerners were rightly concerned with a post-slavery Federal government not having plans to rebuild their economies.

    A complicated time, no doubt, one that we can assess as being unconstitutional. But given the situation and circumstances, one could reasonable argue his actions were necessary.

    Liberals have made the same argument for gun laws. The situation and circumstances require that we take necessary action to reduce gun violence. Lincoln felt he was doing the right thing and so do liberals. Who gets to decide when the situation requires breaking the constitution? The better solution is expect all governments to follow it. Lincoln could have conducted his war without imprisoning journalists. I don’t think most people realize how far he went in trying to ban the free press.
    https://www.historynet.com/stop-the-presses-lincoln-suppresses-journalism/

    •�Replies: @Corvinus
  619. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “We have skeletal remains of black slaves versus white workers up north, and there is no doubt that the black slaves were in better shape”

    Not this again. What sources are you specifically referring to?

    “It would’ve been logistically impossible to go catch actual free”

    To the contrary, the village, or a confederation of villages, was the largest political unit among dozens of free African tribes like the Yoruba and Mandinka.

    “People who challenge your Marxist fairytale notions deserve to be shot?”

    No, fascists like yourself who support enslavement of blacks then and now, as well as the reintroduction of apartheid deserved to be shot.

    “If the mulatto utopia is so wonderful, why do they shoot us when we question it?”

    Ask your white make southern ancestors who raped pubescent girls for fun.

    •�Troll: Trinity
  620. Corvinus says:
    @John Johnson

    “The moral scourge that Lincoln allowed in Northern states as the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the South.”

    This was a radical step at the time. So context matters. Regardless, slavery is immoral. Lincoln understood it.

    “So even Lincoln had his own exemptions”

    and the main slave trade was outside of the US.

    “If he was so opposed to slavery then why start with the South instead of Portugal?”

    Don’t be obtuse. He was an American political leader who had a hell of a time navigating through domestic mine fields,

    “Horrible wars have been fought in the name of moral authority.”

    It was tragic but necessary.

    “War should be reserved as a last resort and Lincoln had zero interest in dialog with the South.”

    There was dialogue. Lincoln stated clearly slavery would not expand into the territories. The South was in o mood to negotiate.

    “There is no excuse for his rush to war”

    South Carolina’s bombardment of Fort Sumter ring a bell?

    So, just let the South leave and allow slavery to remain intsct? Enable the brutalization of a people to continue? F— that.

    “Lincoln thought he would be the South in less than a year”

    And the Confederacy felt they would run roughshod over the North in short order.

    “and then burden them with a post-slavery population.”

    The primary cause of that burden was the doing of the “benevolent masters”.

    “Southerners were rightly concerned with a post-slavery Federal government not having plans to rebuild their economies.”

    I agree. But the South figured it out in the end. Thanks sharecropping and Jim Crow!

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