Chuckie with a beard is battling Elmer Fudd.

Off topic.

In 2005, in the aftermath of Katrina, while Sailer was criticized for saying that “let the good times roll” was bad advice, he wrote a piece for Vdare proposing a Disaster Corps. The article is unaccessible.

Now it’s 2024 and the Atlantic writes this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/09/hurricane-helene-america-needs-disaster-corps/680082/

Seriously, if he wasn’t such a nice guy, Steve Sailer would be yelling in people’s faces “I told you so, you d*ckbrained morons!”

Before tonight, I thought Walz was coming across as the more likeable candidate. After tonight, I still think that’s true, but Vance wiped the floor with him in the debate. We’ll see which matters more, or if it matters at all.

Walz sounds whiney and apologetic. Vance is confident, on top of it, hasn’t missed a beat.

There’s some iStevey angle in how the ideology that believes in recognizing ability regardless of color puts forward a Yale lawyer and master debater, and the supremacist side which believes that whites (and especially white men) are weak and inferior and should be allowed to die out at best, puts forward a confused longtime Communist doughball.

OT — To absent friends — you are not fired, it’s a temporary layoff, it’s — Good Times.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/obituaries-people-news/john-amos-dead-good-times-roots-1236161810/

An illegitimate US Supreme Court unlawfully abrogated white women’s sacred right to kill babies and so Harris Kumswallawa, who’s had to abort a lot of babies borne of Willie Brown’s brown willie, is gonna restore white women’s most cherished and holy right. The Democrats won’t even hafta cheat this time. That’s what’s happening.

Memes rule the day. So whichever guy gets more positive memes out of it is the winner.

These are quick snapshot visuals and short phrases. For example, Trump/Kamabla had a seeming standoff, neutral debate in most people’s eyes — at first. But then Trump’s “they’re eating cats and dogs” line went viral when Hatians were found to be doing it in Ohio. It became a meme. Meanwhile, no visuals or audio memes emerged in Kamabla’s favor. So it was a retrospective a Trump win.

In tonight’s debate, already 2-3 memes have emerged: 1) Walz’s wide-eyed, crazy eyes look; 2) Vance’s breaking-the-4th-wall cutesy Deadpool-esque glance at the camera while Walz was talking (SNL will definitely attack it in a skit on Saturday in an attempt to defuse it for their Deep State masters); and 3) Walz’s gaffe where he says that he’s become “friends with school shooters.”

"I've become friends with school shooters."

– Tim Walz pic.twitter.com/qPOuSUVXLn

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) October 2, 2024

All three are positive for Vance and negative for Walz. So the short term memeology has Vance winning. But we shall see what sticks.

P.S. The immediate CBS poll of the debate has the two tied. That’s likely very good for Vance, since anyone trusting CBS is likely a far-left winger or Deep Stater.

Waltz had an hunched over bug eyed vacant look on his face moving it from side to side the entire time I watched, which wasn’t long. He reminded me of Slim Pickens trying to look dumb. The mouthpieces of the investor class moderating the event actually added to the excitement by trying to correct Vance who used their interventions to talk over them and make his points. I started feeling sorry for Waltz who kept arguing a moronic position; that his side could only enforce the border if the Rs had authorized new legislation. OoooK. Incoherent to say the least. And Waltz kept moving his head around like a rock -um-sock -um robot.

Why do Republicans consent to these rigged debates? Why not demand that at least one of the moderators be a journalist of their choosing (like Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter). The two CBS newsbabes are almost certainly Democrats. And, as usual, they ganged up on the Republican candidate. They continually asked Vance follow-up questions about how specifically he would implement the policies he was talking about. They never asked Walz similar questions, even when he was just spouting a bunch of vague platitudes.

Now people will understand why Trump picked Vance. And now people will question Harris’s judgment in picking (credit to Alec Leamas) Elmer Fudd. Everyone has long asked why she did not select Shapiro, a well-liked, effective governor in a must-win state. Two reasons, I think. First, when Shapiro was interviewed, he reportedly sought assurances from Harris that he would have access, his input would be listened to, and he would be given important assignments; he would not be merely a perfunctory VP. This was fair to ask. But it rubbed Harris the wrong way. My second reason goes back to the Nixon tapes. At one point (while discussing Philip Roth’s new book) Haldeman told Nixon that “there are more antisemites in the United States than there are Jews.) I think Harris was calculating along the lines of Haldeman. Btw, Nixon, to his credit, declined to pursue Haldeman’s idea of deferring to or pursuing his arithmetic.

CNN’s political commentator panel is more nuanced than anything on Elon’s app right now:

-Walz seemed more sincere than Vance but also very nervous, brutally fumbled the Tiananmen question
-Vance was a superior debater but at times came off as too slick, chameleon-like
-Vance…

— Pedro L. Gonzalez (@emeriticus) October 2, 2024

CBS poll: Who won VP debate? (debate watchers)

🟥 J.D. Vance: 42%
🟦 Tim Walz: 41%
⬜ Tie: 17% pic.twitter.com/wgLYmujdhf

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) October 2, 2024

CNN instant poll (which is 5% more Democrat than the country as a whole, what they said) had Vance winning 51-49%

— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) October 2, 2024

For a guy representing the “joy” campaign, Walz sure suffers from resting sad face. Also his eyes were bugging a lot like AOC’s. He resorted to gibberish when explaining why he lied about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square massacre. Still, he did better than I expected. Vance was excellent, though. I wish he was at the top of the ticket.

Vance the hillbilly looked professional while Walz comes off as a country bumpkin.

I’ll still vote for team Trump because as a general rule I don’t vote for Socialists/Communists especially in a multiracial country soon to be minority White.

Walz doesn’t understand demographics as he is country/rural and has not lived among the jungle people.

What a strange turn of events in this election. Vance, the born of hillbilly fame comes off as a polished speaker while Trump, born of riches comes off as a hillbilly.

I still think that’s true, but Vance wiped the floor with him in the debate.

Thanks for the info Scarlet. I did not catch it.

This does not surprise me, having someone who is very smart and willing to “apply butt to chair” and prepare–unlike Trump–helps a whole heck of lot in getting ideas across to people.

The plain fact is the general thrust of campaign–nationalism–is normal, sane and very, very helpful to normal working Americans. In contrast, the policies we’ve seen from the “Biden Administration”–and Harris’s add-ons (more anti-white racialism) just make it worse–are incredibly destructive, outright treasonous and for a nation fundamentally insane.

Some of this is so obvious–so bad–ordinary people, going about their lives pick up on it. But it really requires someone intelligent and articulate to really delineate it, shine a light on it for high contrast and hammer it home.

Well, I think they’d by far prefer that whole Gaza thing to be forgotten until the election is done.

Vance was excellent, though. I wish he was at the top of the ticket.

As you might have noticed, the Ds are working on it.

Thanks SafeNow.

Not really sure how salient the Jewish angle–simply being Jewish–was in this choice. Lieberman was on the ticket in 2000 and I don’t sense he had much to do with Gore’s narrow–very, very, very narrow–loss. (If anything, he was probably the likeable of the four guys.)

With Israel’s war in Gaza, the Jewish thing may be more salient now. Especially with the continued immigration influx in the intervening quarter century–“diversity is our strength!”–the Parasite Party’s coalition is even more fringy and contentious. And maybe particularly in Michigan where the Arab population–3 or 4%–could be relevant. Still Trump gives Netanyahu big wet sloppy kisses so it’s not like those who would be running from Shapiro over Israel/Gaza have anywhere to run to.

I suspect it was two factors:
— Ticket balance. Given her own not-very-American background a white flyover Protestant looked safer more “core” than a Jewish guy.
and
— Shapiro is smarter than Harris, comes off smarter, more solid. And pretty sure someone like Harris does not want people thinking “we’d be a lot better off if he was at the top of the ticket”. Walz while not stupid, is a pretty ho-hum, low wattage guy. (He makes even–the young–Joe Biden look like a smart guy.) So Harris looks like the natural “top of the ticket” in contrast.

J.D is the October surprise. Also: the 2 AWFUL women moderators could not have been any worse. Astonishing

It was glaringly obvious that the two candidates for Vice President are each far better debaters than the two candidates for President. This was especially true of Vance, who proved to be a far, far better advocate for Trump than Trump could ever be.

Still Trump gives Netanyahu big wet sloppy kisses so it’s not like those who would be running from Shapiro over Israel/Gaza have anywhere to run to.

Didn’t Shapiro volunteer with the “Israeli Defense [sic] Forces�?

Even if his role was limited, he should be banned from holding public office. Enough of this shit.

Didn’t Shapiro volunteer with the “Israeli Defense [sic] Forces�?

Fun question for Shapiro, Jeff Goldberg, et al.: “Have you ever served your country in uniform?”

For David Brooks: “Have any of your kids served their country in uniform?”

Shapiro is a nebbish. It would be like running Jerry Lewis.

“he reportedly sought assurances from Harris that he would have access, his input would be listened to, and he would be given important assignments; he would not be merely a perfunctory VP…”

If he used anything like those words, no wonder he didn’t get the job. I can almost hear the “… like you” on the end of that sentence.

Did not watch, but Mrs. Prude did. She said Vance did great. Then she said Walz bragged on Kamala being endorsed by Dick Cheney and Taylor Swift. Then she broke out in uncontrollable laughter.

Taylor Swift! Hahahahahahee hee teehee ooooh! Haahahahaha…….

If Don Rickles and Ed Asner had a son.

In saner times, this would have been the presidential debate.

Did anyone even watch this? I hardly see the point of a debate between presidential candidates, especially when elections are fake and gay. But a debate between vice-presidents (mostly a symbolic position) is completely meaningless. That said, both are awful and it’s hard to say which is worse. I think Vance is worse simply because he has the greater chance of becoming president in the case his president croaks.

The debate in one image:

pic.twitter.com/CWmqSWoXCt

— Comrade Stump (@GranTorinoDSA) October 2, 2024

Not Marxist in any meaningful sense. What Walz is a perfect Exibit A of is: Continental Germanic Protestant culture then baptized into all things WASP (also Germanic and Protestant, obviously) and. evolved fully into WASP agnostic Bleeding Heart Liberalism. Walz is a quintessential Yankee of the variety that is more Continental (especially Scandinavian) than British Isles WASP origin. .

It could be interesting to check if Steve Sailer’s article was archived on the Wayback Machine or Archive.today.

Walz forked up big-time even with stiff-as-a-board, pasty-faced, Trump-hating moderator Margaret Brennan’s full throttle attempts to help him while kneecapping Vance, who deftly fended off the cheap tricks and attempts to bait him.

Nora O’Donnell was at least halfway reasonable.

Walz looked fearful and dour-faced. Calling himself a “knucklehead” was a humdinger. Vance was obviously well-prepared and remained poised, personable, and knowledgeable.

Mainstream media attempts to rig the polling results are pure fantasy. Rachel Maddow had a pained look on her face as she made an excruciatingly insincere (even for her) attempt to declare Walz the victor.

Sure, it all seems superficial as the world burns, but watching the utterly fake facade of the Dems crumble a bit was entertaining.

A huge natural disaster has devastated the Appalachian region with almost no media coverage, and Biden sends 8 billion dollars more to Ukraine and Israel.

45,000 workers within the ILA have gone on strike.

This while Ron Unz drapes his entire website with photos of some dead foreign Arab that was of no consequence to anyone living in the US.

At this point I am not sure how many people are undecided, but Walz was outclassed and maybe they decide to keep him out of the public eye more, which means Kamala will have to get by on her own more. I already had a low opinion of Minnesotans’ political judgment but it’s even lower having seen this guy try and show he provides any value as a 2nd banana.

It won’t!

Didn’t watch much of the “debate” (really, they’re nothing more than extended stump speeches) but based upon what I saw Vance looked very polished and secure.

Yeah, but they were sure goood lookin’–especially that O’Donnell babe.

Didn’t catch the debate — except a brief bit, saw more than heard, projected on the wall of a resraurant. Vance looked smooth and confident; Wobbly Fluffy Doughball looked frightened, attentive, out of place, losing.
——-
Next day impressions from former presidential debate moderator Hugh Hewitt:
Vance won. Easily. Wobbly Fluffy Doughball [various euphemisms] — похоронен. It’s over.
CBS attempted to do the same dirtiness ABC did, but couldn’t pull it off, largely because Vance is such a good orator.
——-
Hugh has very much been an apologist for the irrelevant dinosaur media but after a second major network debate which self-censored the China issue, he is talking like I was in the 90s about no longer trusting them. At least, he says we need disclosure laws for when these people are heavily invested in China. Politicians work under conflict of interest laws, networks should too.

OT — The devastation in our South-East following Hurricane Helene is comparable to Katrina but not getting coverage because the victims are white. Did you know you can buy a pallet of drinking water on Amazon? You can pool money with friends amd buy a truckload.
Here is a local bit about emergency water distribution points:
https://mountainx.com/news/asheville-buncombe-county-announce-water-distribution-sites/
â€�——
The region is not unimportant, it’s a source of ultra-pure silicone necessary for microchips. Just in time for the port closures and the war.

Walz favorability went WAY up after the debate. Doesn’t matter if he “won” or not. People like him, trust him. He will be the next vice-president.

Of course, the VP debate has zero influence on the election. The Dem machine will herd their Black and Latino bodies into booths and tell them how to vote. The white women cat ladies who hate white men will always vote Dem. Asians make their calculation about what’s good for them (not the country or some “higher principles”), which usually means going along with the Left.

Do any debates matter? Maybe not. We see these candidates 24/7 nowadays, it’s not like 40 years ago. Everyone pretty much knows how they’re voting.

Europeasant….Trump NEVER comes off as a hillbilly.

If Don Rickles and Ed Asner had a son.

Now, Don Rickles as VP………..that would be a blast.

I agree with your question but then there would be no debates, as Democrats would never agree to a venue that didn’t have moderators on their team. When the Republican wins the debate despite the deck being stacked against him, the win is especially strong.

LOL–but they might be having second thoughts about that now.

You sure chose an apt pseudonym.

This does not surprise me, having someone who is very smart and willing to “apply butt to chair� and prepare–unlike Trump–helps a whole heck of lot in getting ideas across to people.

Agree. I still don’t trust Vance. His political career has largely been the creation of his billionaire patron, Peter Thiel (much as Marco Rubio’s career was down to the sponsorship of Norman Braman). But he is at least smart and disciplined, which is a big improvement over his boss.

I still have to wonder why Hollywood made Vance’s book into a movie. It’s not like they are typically in the business of producing films that build up potential Republican candidates. At the time it was made, 2020, I don’t believe that Vance had expressed any overt political opinions other than a general disdain of Trump. I think they turned his story into a movie because they intended to groom him as a Democratic Party candidate. His “story” would sell just as well as a campaign video at the DNC, with Vance then striding out onto the stage to talk about the importance of celebrating diversity and defending a woman’s right to choose. Perhaps Vance was just clever enough to pull a fast one on them.

Still – it does yield insight into how our political “leaders” are made. They are purposefully groomed by wealthy interests, their back-stories carefully curated, and then introduced to the public through controlled media events. Almost as if they were characters in a TV series.

It is not completely meaningless when at least one has more than even chance of becoming POTUS. Vance, though he was mostly dissembling, may be a real convert to MAGA and hence a worthy successor to the cause.

I already had a low opinion of Minnesotans’ political judgment but it’s even lower having seen this guy try and show he provides any value as a 2nd banana.

Walter Mondale may have been a bit of a weasel, but he was head and shoulders above this guy Walz.

Comparing these debates to, for example, one of the 1984 Presidential debates between Reagan and Mondale, you realize how far this country has fallen.

Elmer Fudd.

Not a single question about the fact that we haven’t had this much open talk about nuclear war in about 40 years.

I had to turn it off about 10:00, since the ‘moderators’ never did say to Walz “you’re just a fool.� Did they ever mention his endorsement of looting and arson or lying about his military service? Just curious.

Vance’s expression says, “We just won Minnesota.”

But maybe not. Maybe they’ll try to elect Walz just to get him out of the governor’s office. Then again, he’d only be replaced by someone named Gizhiiwewidamookwe. From Franken’s hometown.

At least she’s feather, not dot.

Haha. Wow you’re so smart. No one made that “joke” before. Remember, vote harder!!! Democracy depends on it! Things will surely change afterwards.

What does she call Lake Calhoun? Never mind, I know the answer.

To me one of the most intriguing aspects of the election : will Michigan Arabs still vote for Kamala despite Gaza ?

I wonder if the Dems carries out an internal secret poll of their voters to see how many Arab voters they lose with IDF veteran Gov Shapiro

I have one simple question, will it ever be possible for the Republicans to take part in a debate that is neutrally moderated ?

I thought Vance was splendid, specifically by bringing up censorship, the last subject Walz wanted to talk about, as he started bleating about “hate speech” and “yelling fire in a crowded theater.” You could tell Walz was becoming almost hysterical at this point and his body language showed a man having a meltdown. This is a crucial issue–one that even Trump isn’t talking about–but you could tell the Dems are massively vulnerable on it. So Vance gets an “A” there.

Vance also scored high points for hitting back at the 2 Karens for fact-checking him when they said they wouldn’t fact-check anyone.

Other than that, Walz bringing up Dick Cheney as a valuable endorsement was the perfect coda to a perfect night.

Seeing Walz in action makes me want to take it a little easier on my neighbors here in the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts for the morons, psychopaths, and mental defectives they vote for year after year.

At least some of them have a resume. Walz has nothing.

Relax, the grownups are in charge

Vance was clearly the superior debater, but this wasn’t a formal debate and I’m not sure how much that matters. Most important for him, he came across as not just very smart but also decent, countering the line the Democrats have been pushing ever since he was selected, which is that nobody likes him because he is mean and weird. And he did a good job of polishing the turd that is Donald Trump, which was his primary mission. His worst moments came when his position as Trump’s running mate forced him to defend the indefensible: for example I’m sure he doesn’t believe for one moment that the 2020 election was stolen or that Mike Pence was wrong to certify the election, but he’s stuck with those positions so he did what he had to do. Abortion is a millstone around the Republicans’ neck, and Vance did a good job of advocating for Trump’s “let the states decide” and obscuring his own hard core opposition. I felt Vance could have done better on immigration, but that’s probably because I was hoping he would channel my own thinking on the issue, which probably isn’t a reasonable thing to hope for. All in all, Vance did about as well as could possibly be expected. Even the commentators on CNN seemed to agree. (A couple of them seemed to be trying to provoke Trump into another debate with Harris by speculating about whether Trump would let Vance outshine him in the final TV event).

Walz did OK, and I don’t think he hurt Harris. He was flustered and bug-eyed at times, but I don’t think that’s going to bother anyone much. He came across as reasonably intelligent and well informed, and landed good shots on abortion and January 6th. I don’t understand though why he wasn’t prepared for Tianamen Square. “You know how when you’re remembering things from decades ago you sometimes get the sequences mixed up? I was glued to the TV for Tianamen Square, and a month later I was in Hong Kong, and years later I just remembered it wrong.” See? Easy-peasy! (And probably what actually happened).

As everyone has noted, the debate was remarkably civil. Interestingly, the culture war didn’t seem to come up — I don’t remember words like “woke” and “racist” being used at all. Both debaters outshone their running mates, and I’m sure plenty of people were wishing this was the presidential debate. Vance of course is vastly smarter and more competent than Trump, and as for Walz, well, I guess I’d rather have a football coach as president than a nursery school teacher.

Vance was excellent, though. I wish he was at the top of the ticket.

As you might have noticed, the Ds are working on it.

With some of Gov Walz’s school rifle team!

I started feeling sorry for Waltz who kept arguing a moronic position; that his side could only enforce the border if the Rs had authorized new legislation.

He was right about Trump blowing up the border deal so he could make it a campaign issue.

Which means Trump cares more about his campaign than the border.

This is a problem with modern conservatism. They are limited in what they can offer voters due to a pseudo-religious level of opposition to social spending.

Trump flubbed a simple question about child care for this reason. He can’t support taxing the rich to fund child care.

He needs the border as a campaign issue more than he wants to fix it.

This shouldn’t be a surprise since he blew up a generous border offer in his first term.

For the record I dislike both candidates. Trump was a lifelong Democrat before switching to a Republican because he wouldn’t be able to defeat Hillary in the primary. Kamala was a Dot Indian before pretending to be Black.

I agree with Harry Baldwin and would add that domination, even in the face of hostile opponents, gives credibility that can’t be achieved by any other means.

OT — Hat tip to anonymous at 4chan fkr finding what the newsmedia was trying to bury, what will hopefully be the craziest “refugee” story today. No, it’s not the “new Americans” caught looting after Helene.

Venezuelan gangs are so bad, that a &#^%ing paralegal that worked for a DA’s office in NYC lost his mind and got caught plotting to blow up a migrant shelter last week.

https://nypost.com/2024/09/27/us-news/district-attorneys-office-staffer-tried-to-make-a-bomb-to-blow-up-migrant-shelter-police-say/

“I know I shouldn’t be doing this, but it’s for Queens County,â€� he said, according to the court filing. “This is a war. I wish I had a big enough one to blow them back to Venezuela.”

Agreed. Far more people will watch a few highlights and check for memes than sit and watch the entire debate. Which is why waiting a few days brings a clearer picture of who came out ahead.

What Walz is a perfect Exibit A of is: Continental Germanic Protestant culture then baptized into all things WASP (also Germanic and Protestant, obviously)

Walz is more like a German Catholic than a German Protestant. He is also probably of peasant stock.

I still don’t trust Vance.

It’s possible that Vance’s adoption of MAGA populism is purely cynical & opportunistic – but in a way, I’d find that reassuring. The more that clever & talented people see promoting the interests of the white working class as the path to political success, the better.

I still have to wonder why Hollywood made Vance’s book into a movie.

Ron Howard interview:

https://deadline.com/2024/09/ron-howard-totonro-film-festival-eden-sydney-sweeney-viggo-mortensen-thirteen-lives-jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy-1236080950/

DEADLINE: A question about Hillbilly Elegy. You made an underdog story about a poor young man from a dysfunctional family with a grandmother who would not let him fail. That is JD Vance, who is Trump’s vice presidential choice in the upcoming election. He has evolved from that young man into a polarizing, volatile conservative. I’m sure people have said to you, “Ron, what have you unleashed?� How do you process that?

HOWARD: Well, we didn’t talk a lot of politics when we were making the movie because I was interested in his upbringing and that survival tale. That’s what we mostly focused on. However, based on the conversations that we had during that time, I just have to say I’m very surprised and disappointed by much of the rhetoric that I’m reading and hearing. People do change, and I assume that’s the case. Well, it’s on record. When we spoke around the time that I knew him, he was not involved in politics or claimed to be particularly interested. So that was then. I think the important thing is to recognize what’s going on today and to vote. And so that’s my answer. It’s not really about a movie made five or six years ago. It is, but we need to respond to what we’re seeing, hearing, feeling now, and vote responsibly, whatever that is., We must participate. That’s my answer.

It’s possible that Vance’s adoption of MAGA populism is purely cynical & opportunistic – but in a way, I’d find that reassuring. The more that clever & talented people see promoting the interests of the white working class as the path to political success, the better.

What makes you think that any of these candidates care about the working class of any race?

and Biden sends 8 billion dollars more to Ukraine and Israel.

Why the f are we giving any money to Israel? Let them pay for their own damn business.

I’m sure he doesn’t believe for one moment that the 2020 election was stolen or that Mike Pence was wrong to certify the election…

So you’re sure that he’s as dim-witted & ill-informed as you are? I tend to doubt that.

The 2020 election was so stolen that it simply couldn’t have been any more stolen.

But that’s blood under the bridge. Vance was right to move on (as they say).

You should re=read Ron’s statement of the reasons for this site.

He was right about Trump blowing up the border deal so he could make it a campaign issue…and…
AND because the border deal codified Catch and Release
AND because the border deal let in 1.8 million illegals
AND because the border deal funded Sanctuary cities
AND because the border deal funded NGOs transporting illegals
AND because the border deal paid for lawyers for illegals
AND because the border deal granted work permits for illegals
AND because the border deal did nothing to deport illegals
AND because the border deal had no immediate wall funds
AND because the border deal would only require weak asylum screening
AND because the border deal shoveled another $60 billion to Ukraine

Which means Trump cares both about his campaign and the border because winning the presidency allows him to deport millions of foreign alien invaders and the less money we send to Ukraine the more money we have to spend on TN and NC.

Shapiro is a nebbish. It would be like running Jerry Lewis.

Walz should run like Teller– keep his mouth shut.

Now if he could pull off something like this:

Politicians work under conflict of interest laws

I do enjoy satire.

His worst moments came when his position as Trump’s running mate forced him to defend the indefensible: for example I’m sure he doesn’t believe for one moment that the 2020 election was stolen

That may not have been defensible in 2021, but in 2024 it is one of the most defensible positions a Republican can have with the only more easily defensible positions being not mutilating children, not foolishly starting a nuclear war, and not leaving our border open for enemy invasion.

He was right about Trump blowing up the border deal so he could make it a campaign issue.

The “border deal” was, like you, a complete and total fake. We don’t need more spending, we don’t need more laws, we don’t need more agents.

What we need is for the agents we’ve already got to enforce the laws we’ve already got, with the funding they’ve already got.

In saner times the debates come in threes, a very sensible policy in case somebody just has an off night, and the moderators allow the candidates to talk.

… is it that there’s a second rose projected onto the screen by a second light? As far as I know, this one was never figured out.

The Babylon Bee hit it out of the park

DOJ Indicts JD Vance For Brutally Beating 3 Women https://t.co/WPgeUvqAzm pic.twitter.com/vCfgPiXu9x

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) October 2, 2024

Tiny Duck, you’re back in time for the home stretch of the 2024 election!

Harris and Walz made it clear in negotiations that they would not participate in debates with even objective moderators like Bret Baier. They are only open to debates with hacks who are on their side. I would expect to see more of this from Democrats across the country at the local level. Any TV talking head who has a reputation for being fair or tough on both sides has moderated his last debate.

Yet he appeals to then like no Presidential candidate in my lifetime.

Walz proved himself an incompetent liar – he never did answer the question about Tiananmen Square fibbing and, of course, was let off the hook by the Tom Paine moderators – but I would still audition him for Stubby Kaye’s “Guys and Dolls” part.

Wishful thinking won’t get it done.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/02/vance-walz-who-won-vp-debate-roundtable-00181905

What makes you think that any of these candidates care about the working class of any race?

Could you miss my point more completely?

Does Donald Trump really “care” about “the working class of any race?” Does JD Vance? Heck if I know.

But they both seem to see appealing to white working class voters as the path to political success.

Good.

Which means Trump cares more about his campaign than the border.

Which means Trump doesn’t play games with hostage takers. The laws are already in place to do the job. If Biden/Harris don’t want to do the job they were elected to do it’s on them.

But, you do get the prize for most facetious comment of the day.

What makes you think that any of these candidates care about the working class of any race?

At this point the working classes are lucky to have even one candidate who isn’t committed to their destruction.

“The Democrats won’t even hafta cheat this time.”

Are you saying the GOP shouldn’t have passed those stupid abortion bans?

He was right about Trump blowing up the border deal so he could make it a campaign issue.

Which means Trump cares more about his campaign than the border.

This is a problem with modern conservatism. They are limited in what they can offer voters due to a pseudo-religious level of opposition to social spending.

You forgot the Dems tacking on the $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel to the bill.

That would mean Trump undermined the “Immigration Reform, and More Free Money to Supercharge Senseless Conflicts Act.”

Get it right next time.

Until then, please go to the “Feckless Twat Penalty Box,” sit down, and shut up for a few weeks.

You need it.

This is what happens when you tell people elections are stolen.

Could be enough people like Dumbo in Pennsylvania who stay home to make Harris president.

The “border deal” was even worse than that. As the late, great VDare explained, it effectively legalized many of the illegal actions the Biden Administration has taken in allowing in waves of illegal aliens, especially those making bogus asylum claims. It was absolutely poison and was rightly opposed by Trump, Vance, and others.

Slightly OT, but you may have Noticed a ‘Steve Sailer in the wild’ sighting in the Washington Examiner today; in Micheal Barone’s column entitled “The vice-presidential debate actually may matter,” published Wednesday, October 2nd, 2024.

Barone writes a few paragraphs in while comparing Vance and Walz’ aptitudes:

“More recently, Democrats liked to portray George W. Bush as a moron. But iconoclastic blogger Steve Sailer found that Bush and his 2004 opponent, John Kerry, had high scores on the Armed Forces Officer Qualification Test, with Bush’s slightly higher.”

Congratulations, Steve! More and more mainstreamers feel comfortable quoting you (with only a tepid fear of peer level repercussion, perhaps)!

Oh, he’s got something. I vaguely heard he’d been to China; come to find out that he’s been to China an awful lot of times, starting when that was a big deal (but not as big as when Derb did it): and last night Walz voluntarily claimed to have set up some sort of Confucius Institute equivalent for high schoolers. In the early nineties. So this guy has long-standing government ties with a hostile totalitarian government known to exploit connections to the fullest.

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They’ll cheat. It’s in their DNA. They cheat in places they don’t need to just to keep the mechanisms in place. And if lawn signs are any metric, Harris is going to come in third after Trump and “Garage Sale”.*

*Stolen from someone I can’t recall.

Speaking of Elon, the WSJ top EXCLUSIVE! story now is that they’ve discovered he made contributions to Republican-affiliated groups! BEFORE WE THOUGHT HE DID

Who even needs the DemSM any more?

Glad to see the Haitians in Springfield haven’t found you.

Trump wears suits to MMA and NASCAR. Hillbilly?

It seems to me the party that can say they have RFK Jr. on their side is better than the party that can say they have Dick Cheney on their side. Former CDC director Robert Redfield just said RFK Jr was accurate in his criticisms of the CDC during the Covid epidemic.

https://vinnews.com/2024/09/25/former-cdc-director-robert-redfield-endorses-donald-trump-acknowledges-robert-f-kennedy-jr-s-accuracy-in-covid-19-critique/

Kămăl� Hærrıs needed Walz to win and nobody but MSNBC/NDC says he won.

“What we need is for the agents we’ve already got to enforce the laws we’ve already got, with the funding they’ve already got.�

Absolutely. And that also means arresting and charging the business owners who employ them. Is that something Trump supports?

Thanks for that, Kissinger.

No, I don’t think the election was stolen. I was open to the idea at first — I mean, if you really think Trump is literally Hitler then stealing the election should be a moral imperative! — but I kept waiting and the Republicans came up with nothing. They filed over 60 lawsuits and couldn’t make anything stick, which the conspiracists naturally take as definitive proof of deep state perfidy, ignoring the more natural possibility that the suits failed because they were mostly frivolous bullshit that deserved to go nowhere. I mean come on, 60 lawsuits, 60 turns at bat, and nothing? And somehow I just don’t see people like Bill Barr and Gabriel Stirling as agents of the deep state. I think the “stolen election” narrative is the right-wing counterpart of the “Russian collusion” narrative on the left, and every bit as delusional.

But far more damaging! Even if you honestly believe an election was stolen there comes a point where you have to acknowledge that they got away with it, and, as you say, move on. Trump’s refusal to do so after the election was indefensible, and led directly to January 6th, the gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving. The Democrats have mostly put the Russian collusion thing behind them, but the Republicans are never going to be free of January 6th. Idiot election deniers like yourself are among the Democrats most valuable allies in this matter, but you are never going to understand that. Conspiracism is so much more fun!

“…finding what the newsmedia was trying to bury,…”

Trying to bury, you say? What, did your internet break or something?

Here’s an article with a big photo of the suspect (from LinkedIn) which references a New York Times article on the crime. So much for media burials.

“Former CDC director Robert Redfield just said RFK Jr was accurate in his criticisms of the CDC during the Covid epidemic.”

This the guy you mean?

On July 14, 2020, Redfield…said, “If we could get everybody to wear a mask right now, I really do think over the next four, six, eight weeks, we could bring this epidemic under control.”

(H/T wiki)

“What Walz is a perfect Exibit A of is: Continental Germanic Protestant culture then baptized into all things WASP”

This is overthinking it, I’d say. Walz isn’t complex enough of a person to match your Twister-style hermeneutics; like nearly all politicians, he is merely a slow-witted opportunist with no real inner life to speak of, who simply wanted to feel important. His beliefs, if you can even call them that, are simply ordered off the Chinese lunch special menu at the Dem-funded Lucky Buddha Panda Garden Bamboo Pavilion Express.

Here is one of the substructural problems of American politics: most people in general, from any walk of life, are too weak-willed to challenge, interrogate or re-assess their core beliefs after the intellectual concrete has set in their youth — usually by age 25 it’s already too late. And since most people under age 70 in America grew up marinated in their youth in the usual simpleton unexamined leftard platitudes, their worldview is set by the time they enter politics. They just get on the bus and don’t get off til the conductor tells them it’s their career stop.

Hence you get a zero like Walz just shlepping his way to the top on the slow escalator, simply by showing up on time and mouthing the permissible platitudes. Put him on a stool in a sweaty room under a hot light for a few hours, I doubt he could say *what* exactly he believes unless coached by his handler.

Yes. Loads have come out in various court cases. It turns out the unhackable machines are hackable. Katie Hobbs is on record conspiring with a coworker. Etc..

“…to enforce the laws we’ve already got …”

The laws we have already got are inadequate. They have at least two big problems.

It is too easy to claim to be a refugee and even a baseless claim will stave off deportation indefinitely.

It is too easy to work illegally, you just have to buy an easily forged ID.

Gizhiiwewidamookwe.

That translates into English as “very annoying woman who will not stop talking”

Yes! It really does! She says so herself:

There is the Commenters to Ignore feature of unz.com.

“…And that also means arresting and charging the business owners who employ them. ..”

It is easy for a business to legally employ illegals. The law requires you to ask prospective employees if they are legally allowed to work in the US. If they say they are and provide you with an ID (some of which are easily forged) which is not obviously fake then you are good. Just photocopy the ID and put it in the employee’s file and you are good with the law. So only very stupid and/or very lazy employers violate the law.

Vance, the born of hillbilly fame comes off as a polished speaker while Trump, born of riches comes off as a hillbilly.

Europeasant….Trump NEVER comes off as a hillbilly.

Yet he appeals to them like no Presidential candidate in my lifetime.

Trump is like FDR– a New Yorker who horrifies his side of the state, but carries the other handily.

I don’t understand Clinton County, other than it must be the Frogs. As in Maine and Vermont.

Funny lady. The only thing going WAY up is Democrats’ continuing pattern of denial and self-delusion.

Here’s an article in Garden & Gun about some pack mules that are being used to deliver supplies to people in NC. They are being aided by the Cajun Navy 2016.

https://gardenandgun.com/articles/mountain-mules-are-bringing-hope-to-appalachia/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=October2024_facebook&utm_content=rescuemules&fbclid=IwY2xjawFqzDxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHU0T2MIBBC9EH8qAnXboBEkj1YfIGGKod_9TKK4syE0skmn7BIKMc3fG-Q_aem_Uiwi2P8XxbdddZIVR26-Qw#h6bxurgvmll

Hat tip to poster “Precious” in #78 who gives an excellent summary of all the horrible provisions in the “border bill.”

Walz is a quintessential Yankee of the variety that is more Continental (especially Scandinavian) than British Isles WASP origin.

“Continental Yankee” is a contradiction in terms. Except maybe for some Huguenots like Paul Revere.

It’s hard to think of any Minnesota Yankees. Hubert Humphrey was from South Dakota. There’s the Dayton family of retail fame, Wheelock Whitney, and…

Oh, Poppy Harlow! Can you get more WASPy than a nursery nickname? Then again, her Harlows are from places farther south, not east, so no true Yankee, she. Good act, though.

Tim Rickles!

And that also means arresting and charging the business owners who employ them.

It’s not a bad idea, but once again you err in your conclusions. Deporting persons not lawfully present in the US can take place without involving their employer.

Vance had no problem defeating three females.

Speaking of southerners and Trump you say about Trump that:

Yet he appeals to them like no Presidential candidate in my lifetime.

Nixon lost only two southern states to a Democrat in 1968, West Virginia and Texas. He lost five southern states to a candidate on his right, George Wallace. And, of course, in 1972 he got them all. Amazing that a cabal was able to take him out.

“Are you saying the GOP shouldn’t have passed those stupid abortion bans?”

GOP passes legislation awarding $20,000 per abortion to blacks and outlawing abortion for whites punishable by intensive “Handmaid’s Tale” treatment for any white woman seeking abortion. Yeah [white] baby[s]!

I’m just a dreamer…… white people = extinct because ‘racist’.

The “border deal� was even worse than that. As the late, great VDare explained…

What is the best write up you’ve seen describing and analyzing the bill, by VDare or otherwise? Is there anything that is SFW?

Link?

I remind that Watergate was 100% fake, per FOIA requests from Geoffrey Shepard and various quotes. Nixon literally did nothing wrong and was Trumpovski Version One.

He was right about Trump blowing up the border deal so he could make it a campaign issue.

The “border deal� was, like you, a complete and total fake. We don’t need more spending, we don’t need more laws, we don’t need more agents.

It wasn’t fake. It was endorsed by the Border Patrol whose union supports Trump.

Are you going to tell me that the Border Patrol is fake? Or the Republican who co-authored the bill?

This would be the second border bill that Trump blew up. He did the same thing in his first term.

Why don’t you give a logical explanation for why Trump couldn’t endorse the bill and then amend it while in office.

The answer is simple which is that he wants it as a campaign issue. He doesn’t care at all about the possibility of losing. If he really cared about the border then he would not only endorse the bill but spend some of his slum funds on fixing it. The fact that he asks his fans for donations as a billionaire should speak volumes but I guess you haven’t figured out that he is a con.

What we need is for the agents we’ve already got to enforce the laws we’ve already got, with the funding they’ve already got.

There aren’t enough agents or facilities to enforce the current laws. The detention centers have been overloaded for decades. If you had actually read about our border problems instead of putting faith in a lifelong NYC Democrat then you would know that.

“Hillary is a great lady” – Donald Trump when he campaigned for the Clintons before switching to the Republican party.

Read it for yourself:
https://www.vox.com/2016/8/16/12452806/trump-praise-hillary-clinton-history

you say about Trump that:

I didn’t say that, Mr Fink did.

He lost five southern states to a candidate on his right, George Wallace.

To the right on some issues. On others, to the left. Once the race issue was lost, Wallace was really hard on Reagan.

Sam Francis, Brent Nelson, and Charley Reese have all written about how Southerners are somewhat to the left of Republicans on economic issues.

Having been very involved in a statewide election challenge in the early 2000s I can tell you without reservation that elections can be stolen. But our standards of proof are the issue and this is generally not explained to the public at large. Absent the occasional emphasis patrol for speeding or the red light camera, speeding of the sort subject to penalties doesn’t exist. Compliance is a function of people not knowing when emphasis patrols may occur. Elections operate under the same principle. Fair elections are any election, at least in my state, where the number of inadmissible plus admissible ballots for the winning candidate can be shown to exceed the number of inadmissible plus admissible ballots for the loser. In the election challenge I referenced, the winning Democrats deployed a state law concerning ballot privacy to demand, and receive from a superior court judge who just happened to be the Democrat Governor’s former campaign manager, an order directing the private opening and counting of 1,500 more ballots than verified voters and the margin between the two candidates was more than the Democrat margin of those invalid votes in that County. It was assumed based on election office testimony that these were invalid ballots, ballots identified as possessing some validation problem, that warranted their being removed from the ballot stream to a secure cage but where, for unknown reasons, they had been removed by an unknown elections worker and placed in the valid ballot stream. This was in a 75% Democrat County. When a challenge to overturn the election was brought to another superior court judge, this one not corrupt, he nevertheless had no basis for overturning the election containing 1,500 more votes than valid voters because the statute required a showing that the absence of the ballots would have changed the election, and since such a determination was impossible not knowing the names of the voters much less their political leanings the vote was allowed to stand. Therefore, the challenge was denied.

That’s how vote fraud works in practice. Lawyers are needed to facilitate it and the Ds have far more than the Rs.

Southerners are somewhat to the left of Republicans on economic issues.

Ag subsidies. But so are Iowans. Southerners were harsh on unions.

Walz vs. Vance – What’s happening?

Left-wing of the Zionist Party vs. its Right-wing.

Heads Israel wins, tails Israel wins.

Everyone else loses.

Fair point. There could be a few white voters sitting on the fence who might vote for Harris if she had a normal white guy as the number two. And Walz failed that.

Walz strikes me as the male version of Patty Murray, who was once voted the dumbest senator by Hill staffers.

A huge natural disaster has devastated the Appalachian region with almost no media coverage, and Biden sends 8 billion dollars more to Ukraine and Israel.

Maybe not where you live, but the media coverage has been extensive where I live.

I still have to wonder why Hollywood made Vance’s book into a movie. It’s not like they are typically in the business of producing films that build up potential Republican candidates. At the time it was made, 2020, I don’t believe that Vance had expressed any overt political opinions other than a general disdain of Trump. I think they turned his story into a movie because they intended to groom him as a Democratic Party candidate.

Yes, indeed. There was a concerted effort to recruit him into the Democratic Party, in order to appeal to “rural Trump voters.”

Harris and Walz made it clear in negotiations that they would not participate in debates with even objective moderators like Bret Baier. They are only open to debates with hacks who are on their side.

Okay, so why not not make political hay out of this? Publicize the Dems’ pusillanimity and, if it is still determined that a rigged debate is better than no debate, then make casual asides in the debate about its bias.

But instead the GOP keep playing it straight: acting as though the debate and its moderators were objective, treating the rigged exercise as if it were a solemn hearing of Justice.

Trump used to know this. Recall that he became President in 2016 in part by treating the debates and their “rules” with the contempt they deserved.

Hack Walz was so outclassed by Vance that even the enormous bias and collusion couldn’t salvage him, but why even let fake “Fact Checks” and such give the Dems unearned post-debate talking points? If you’re letting the enemy dictate the rules to you, you are either losing or only marginally winning at unnecessary cost.

My question is this. Democrats have been screaming about Trump’s „mass deportation“ plan, but when Vance actually addressed how „mass deportation“ was going to happen, he had no real answer. A few hundred thousand criminals might get deported faster, apparently we are going to penalize business owners who hire illegals to make it unattractive for illegals to come here (why didn’t Trump do this last term? Obvious answer- his donors will never stand for it), „build the wall“ (heard that before). I mean all fine things to do but it certainly doesn’t add up to „deporting 20 million illegals“. So do we think Vance is dissembling to avoid scaring the normies or is there actually no plan to really deport anyone? My guess would be the latter.

A Saxon is a Saxon, as Charlemagne and his scholars, as well as all Medieval and Renaissance writers of Arthurian literature, understood. Surely you are not so unlearned as to think all Saxons left the Continent to plunder Britain. Saxonies exist in today’s Bismarckian/Prussian created Germany.

All Germanic peoples are prone to what we with an American background can best identify as Yankee. All they need is a full dose of Protestantism that leads eventually into Modernist agnosticism and lust for money and raw power (i.e. a return to the basics of pagan Germanic culture). That is the reason tyt a the Pennsylvania Dutch, for a prime example, were immediately the same people as true New England Puritan descended Yankees. Both groups knew it from the first. All other peoples in America knew it.

Walz’ family history is that, with Scandinavian added in. Some old New England Anglo-Saxon plus some PA Dutch as the basis and later admixture of Swedish and northwestern ‘German.’

You forgot the Dems tacking on the $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel to the bill.

That would mean Trump undermined the “Immigration Reform, and More Free Money to Supercharge Senseless Conflicts Act.�

You’ve got it backwards. It was the Republicans that demanded border security funding as a requirement to Ukraine aid.

Out of office Trump told them not to vote for what they had negotiated.

Trump later provided Johnson with a Ukraine and Israel aid package that had nothing for the border.

Mr. “art of the deal” blew up with they had negotiated and then later not only endorsed the foreign aid but provided his own bill that had “sweeteners” to flip House Republicans that opposed it. That was almost entirely ignored at Unz and I had posters here that were outraged by what they could have verified on their own. They didn’t want to believe it.

It was almost certainly that Kamala’s husband and Shapiro and his orthodox wife was deemed too Jewy for America of a ticket. It’s interesting that despite the “influence” Jews have on everything important, especially money and politics, that Jews are not more included on the quadrennial tickets. Everybody points to Liebermann. But imagine how much Gore would have beat Bush by if he had not.

The main way that large corps hire illegals is through contracting. That’s how Trump’s hotels did it.

They pay XYZ Cleaning to clean the hotel so they never have to deal with SSNs. Turns out XYZ Cleaning was hiring illegals? Oh well gosh we had no idea!

Have you checked out the latest “October Surprise” Quacker? You know, the one HRC “predicted” just a few days ago?

I agree with your question but then there would be no debates, as Democrats would never agree to a venue that didn’t have moderators on their team. When the Republican wins the debate despite the deck being stacked against him, the win is especially strong.

So then don’t go to the debate.

Why take part in a competition that is rigged? The Democrats have already been caught cheating in a debate so why enter a debate on their territory? It should be handled by a third party with a moderator who is known to be neutral.

Trump is a complete sucker for agreeing to a MSM backed debate.

After the debate he claimed it was rigged. WELL DUH.

I honestly think Harris had an earpiece. Her answers were too scripted. She had multiple “feel good” speeches ready for specific questions. In past debates she completely flopped and she has botched scripted interviews.

There is an earpiece transmitter that is completely invisible. It goes inside your jaw.

The Democrats view themselves as stopping the next Hitler. Of course they will cheat. Mr. “art of the deal” is a complete sucker for putting any trust in them.

“Sam Francis, Brent Nelson, and Charley Reese have all written about how Southerners are somewhat to the left of Republicans on economic issues.”

Reminds me of the time the editorial board of NatReview (meaning Bill Buckley) described George Wallace as a “country and western Marxist.”

Hence you get a zero like Walz just shlepping his way to the top on the slow escalator, simply by showing up on time and mouthing the permissible platitudes.

Kamala Harris was picked as Biden’s VP because she, the incompetent/unqualified person that she is, checked all the Affirmative Action boxes. Harris picked Walz as her VP because, standing next to him, she doesn’t look nearly as much the incompetent/unqualified presidential candidate that she is.

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For the record: I find you, The Germ Theory of Disease, to be one of my absolute favorite commenters.

(I think we’re around the same age, share some similar life experiences (especially out in California), and have a similar world outlook. Because you’re such a good, relatable, writer, nearly every comment you post is a fun, entertaining, and enlightening read – the same goes for your (mostly music) links. I’m hoping that you, and a few others commenters here, continue to comment on this site for years to come. It’s the articles, and commenters like you, that make The Unz Review my favorite website.)

Your guess is probably correct. That die was cast decades ago by our “rulers.”

Waltz had an hunched over bug eyed vacant look on his face moving it from side to side the entire time I watched…He reminded me of Slim Pickens trying to look dumb.

LOL! – The Slim Pickens remark is perfect.

This is insane.
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Walz’s family history in this country occurs entirely in or adjacent to the Great Plains (Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska). His entire pedigree arrived in the latter part of the 19th century. Five of his great-grand parents were German, two Swedish, and one potato-famine Irish.

Hack Walz was so outclassed by Vance

Maybe in some other dimension. In this dimension both candidates were pretty vacuous, didn’t really respond to the questions that were asked and mostly provided the boilerplate their bases expected. Pretty much all Trump voters thought Vance won easily, pretty much all Harris voters thought Walz won easily. Basically a giant waste of time reinforcing everyone’s priors. I thought the only interesting thing about the debate was the degree to which Vance was trying to tack back to the middle on abortion and immigration. He even sounded like a 1980s Democrat on tariffs and protecting our manufacturing base from foreign trade (if Walz were smarter, and not himself in hock to rich oligarchs, he would have congratulated Vance on abandoing Republican economic principles and adopting Dukakis lite). Vane is trying to be the non-loony MAGA candidate.

Smart money says Vance (supported by Thiel and Musk) will basically run the White House while increasingly senile Donald focuses on his golf swing and writing screeds on social media. Looks increasingly clear that there will not be a real Trump second term, there will be a Vance first term.

Thanks for that chart. Wallace’s VP Curtis LeMay was going to be tougher on Vietnam than Nixon, wasnt he?

Also … hard to believe how Republican California once was. And Oregon. I guess Washingtonism eventually crept down the Pacific coast from the north. And of course the migrant invasion from the south.

It’s like watching the fable of the scorpion of the frog play out in real time several times each election cycle.

It has, of course, gotten worse during the Trump era when the Press has convinced itself that it is the oracle of truth while its credibility with the public has plummeted over the same period. These people are just constitutionally incapable of acting in a professional manner.

I’m just impressed at how smart Trump is to have picked Vance. I thought it was a mistake as soon as I heard it. Didn’t bring him any State or important constituency.

But wow. What a talent stack. Plus physiognomy. And an appeal to young voters turned off by Trump’s age and Democrats foisting of Biden and now two candidates in their 60s.

I agree those changes are needed, and add ending the anchor baby scam, but at the very least we could start enforcing the laws we already have.

Note that not a single Republican politician running, not one, accidentally utters ‘E-Verify’. They avoid mentioning the cheapest anti-illegal-immigration measure like walking around dung. That should tell all about their hypocrisy. It is a campaign issue to be exploited – not a problem to be solved. Just like abortion. Now that the court settled it, they are very nervous. The milking cow has been slaughtered. There is no more milk. They need a new cow and that is illegal immigration. They won’t kill it for a long time.

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These people are just constitutionally incapable of acting in a professional manner.

They are very professional. You just need to understand what a whore’s job is and isn’t. If you, or anyone else with enough money, had the opportunity to buy a media outlet they would. But, even with boatloads of money you can rest assured there are no outlets that will be sold to the wrong people. This state of affairs has been addressed repeatedly since the 1920s at least. That some ethnic groups are very, very good at having their members purchase media outlets and never put them back on the market except to sell to an ethnic loyalist has been asserted for generations. That these purchases occur until a monopoly is achieved is also asserted. That the ADL has a bad name for the people making these assertions is also well known. Yet media outlets remain in the hands of people with common loyalties for generations. That Elon had the money and got Twitter away from the monopoly may help explain the hostility he’s received. Is this cartel built around politics and not ethnicity? I very much doubt it.

Hrw-500 says:
October 2, 2024 at 10:28 am GMT • 1.2 days ago ↑

It could be interesting to check if Steve Sailer’s article was archived on the Wayback Machine or Archive.today.

I get it, this is the way they masturbate on your planet. “It would be interesting to look something up but posting about how interesting it would be but not doing it reeeeeeeaaaaaalllllllly gets the yogurt maker going. Yogurt for everyone!”

Here is one of the substructural problems of American politics: most people in general, from any walk of life, are too weak-willed to challenge, interrogate or re-assess their core beliefs after the intellectual concrete has set in their youth — usually by age 25 it’s already too late. And since most people under age 70 in America grew up marinated in their youth in the usual simpleton unexamined leftard platitudes, their worldview is set by the time they enter politics.

This is true because of the postwar guns and butter era. It’s been easy to promote an illusion that you can have lunatic policies and still have full bellies and warm, fluffy beds. Young people are basically only curious about the GOP if they’re on a path to married family life or some kind of non-computerized career or small business entrepreneurship. The left has terraformed the rest to be aspirationless, single, atomized, and urban – rather than seeing that they’ve been had, they sublimate their energies into politics.

But you get the impression that the regime has exhausted the heirloom furniture for fuel has turned to stripping the trim and the wainscoting to keep a fire burning for some time now. The regime is barely maintaining a semblance of credibility with only about one half of the political divide and the top crops of the elites of the other.

I think we’re one seismic economic shock away from a real polarized, radical politics. When all of the fumes of credibility are gone across the board things get very interesting. Back to your thesis, people will change their views when it is to their clear material benefit to do so against a backdrop of deprivation.

It must have been the weirdest moment of the evening when, presented with the straightforward question of why he misstated his 1989 whereabouts, which Walz could have answered with “I misspoke”, maybe seasoning it with “I’m a busy guy”, “thirty five years ago”, etc., Walz went on a weird, flop-sweat-drenched ramble that not only didn’t answer the question, it left the distinct impression that this guy has something to hide, something bad.

Twitter theories:

Contra Steve’s theory, Walz may be so weird that he didn’t go to China for the slanty ladies but for the Maoism (when even dead hippie John Lennon thinks you’re cringe, you’re cringe) or at least for easy graft.

After Walz’s extremely bizarre, panicked answer to the question about China, I went from:

“30 trips? That’s odd, but plausible I guess.�

to

“Am 99% certain he has been a Chinese sleeper agent for decades, explaining why someone so unimpressive could advance this far.�

— Eighth Century Woodchipper 🌳🪓 (@BonifaceOption) October 2, 2024

Unable to make a succinct point or summon a high-school-level vocabulary, Trump comes across more like a union business agent from Staten Island than a hillbilly.

That is the reason tyt a the Pennsylvania Dutch, for a prime example, were immediately the same people as true New England Puritan descended Yankees.

Other than voting against FDR five times, what would these two have in common? I have both in my genealogy, and don’t see a connection, other than the odd, almost random intermarriage.

It has, of course, gotten worse during the Trump era when the Press has convinced itself that it is the oracle of truth while its credibility with the public has plummeted over the same period. These people are just constitutionally incapable of acting in a professional manner.

We have a major problem with self-selection and the press.

Anglo men that are interested in building or fixing things don’t go into journalism.

If a rare White man has an interest in journalism he will most likely be discouraged from employment.

Even if he somehow gets a job he will most likely quit. Have you ever been on the office floor of a media company? Bunch of chatty Kathy White women that would rather be married. The boss is usually a Good White man that feels guilty for existing. In his mind it’s already an injustice that he is the boss…..but he of course is not giving that up. Oh and journalists make less than truck drivers unless they are at the very top.

I wasn’t at all surprised to learn that Fox was full of gays. Straight Anglo men just aren’t normally interested in media jobs and moving to NYC where they hate to kiss up to self-loathing White liberals and then go home to a 500 sq foot apartment.

I’m just impressed at how smart Trump is to have picked Vance. I thought it was a mistake as soon as I heard it. Didn’t bring him any State or important constituency.

But wow. What a talent stack. Plus physiognomy. And an appeal to young voters turned off by Trump’s age and Democrats foisting of Biden and now two candidates in their 60s.

Polls show that your first thought was correct.

It was a mistake. It’s a terrible pick because he doesn’t pull any undecided group.

Tulsi was the correct pick.

If Trump really wants to win then he should dump Vance.

All he had to do was the following:
1. Pick a VP that pulls independents
2. Get Kamala in an uncontrolled debate

He failed to do both.

I sometimes wonder if he even cares about winning. He is starting to remind me of a California or NYC Republican that somewhat expects to lose and doesn’t care because he is rich and will get more golf time. Well darn we tried but the liberal media beat us. Gosh darn. Now which course are we flying to this weekend?

All he had to do was the following:
1. Pick a VP that pulls independents
2. Get Kamala in an uncontrolled debate

You use the word ‘all’ as if it were an obtainable goal at least regarding the uncontrolled debate. Vance is smart enough to outmaneuver the investor class mouthpiece press babes, which is a considerable accomplishment in the party formerly of Ryan/Romney. The base wants to see a fight and they are going to get one.

Thanks, I also jumped on the opportunity to mirror these archived copies on Archive.today.
https://archive.ph/INPKs
https://archive.ph/NIpJz

“Deporting persons not lawfully present in the US can take place without involving their employer.�

Right. I never stated otherwise. Strawman, much?

Yes, exactly what Trump did.

Note that not a single Republican politician running, not one
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You’ve catalogued the statements of every Republican politician running for federal office?

I don’t know how representative this guy is, but he sees the way the wind is blowing.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2024/09/23/muslim-mayor-of-hamtramck-amer-ghalib-endorses-trump-wants-gaza-cease-fire/75346344007/

You’re the idiot in reality. There is no way, absolutely no way in this or any other universe, that Joe Biden received more votes in Minnesota than Hillary Clinton did in 2016 or than Barack Obama did in 2012 and 2008.

I’ve heard reports in media that Shapiro not being running mate isn’t because Harris rejected him, it’s because he rejected Harris.

Story that went around is Shapiro met with Harris. He asked her what his duties as VP would entail. He didn’t want to veg in VP residence, he wanted to take a lead role in promoting her agenda, maybe lead one or two initiatives etc. but Harris’s answer?

“You’ll do what I tell you to�, or “You’ll be a high ranking member of my staff� etc.

Not impressed with her answer, and possibly not impressed with her as a candidate, Shapiro told her not to consider him as running mate.

I just don’t see people like Bill Barr and Gabriel Stirling as agents of the deep state.

O…K…

Hack Walz was so outclassed by Vance

Maybe in some other dimension. … pretty much all Harris voters thought Walz won easily.

Q.E.D.

And that also means . . .

You should better familiarize yourself with your own gibberish.

there will be a Vance first term.

From your mouth to God’s ears.

I’m not denying that elections can and have been stolen. (FWIW, the New York Post has an interesting article in which an anonymous “ballot fixer” describes some of his techniques). But if serious fraud was really as widespread as claimed you would expect the Republicans to have been able to solidly nail down at least a few examples, and they just didn’t. Trump appointed judges threw their cases out of court, and important Republican officials insisted they was no evidence of serious fraud. Further, the denier camp was full of clowns like Sidney Powell and clownshows like the suitcases filled with ballots fiasco in Georga (which Republican election official Gabriel Stirling convincingly debunked). My conclusion is that the deniers are conspiracists who are dead set on seeing fraud and will take the crappiest evidence as definitive proof. Such people really do exist, and their convictions cannot be shaken by any evidence.

What’s disastrous is that they come to have so much influence on the Republican Party and the right in general. The hard left is full of craziness, but it is focused ideological craziness that advances their social agenda (except occasionally when it gets too crazy). The right OTOH is distracted by irrelevant side quests (e.g., Covid & Ukraine) that have little to do with the real threats facing the US and the West. Continuing to deny the 2020 elections after so much time has passed is one of those divisive side quests. Like the others, it unnecessarily splits the right into two camps — denier and defender — and draws attention away from serious issues like wokeness, immigration, and demographic collapse. Even if there were good evidence for election fraud, at this point worrying about it would be a counterproductive waste of time.

Can someone explain to me why Vance is cordial to commie liar pieces of crap like Tim Walz? Are the American people really so stupid that they wouldn’t understand why a normal rational person would treat someone like Walz with nothing but scorn and derision, and go scorched earth in a debate? Its not as if there is a snowballs chance in hell that the Minnesota Mouthbreathers would vote for America, so there is nothing to be lost by insulting Comrade Tim.

The man is a congenital liar, a coward, a stolen valor, CCP-loving, America hating cuck. And that’s putting it as nicely as possible!

Somehow the stolen valor never came up, nor did the fact he’s married to the Midwest Winnie Mandela who loves the aroma of burning tires and Jheri-Curl rioters.

And what in the hell was the point of that ridiculous fabrication about being in Hong Kong during the Tienanmen Square incident? Can anyone enlighten me? Was he trying to boost his profile as some sort of osmotic revolutionary, like he was “a part of it”, despite the fact that even if it had been true, Hong Kong at the time was a separate nation and also, 1200 air miles away from Tienanmen Square. I still cannot believe JD did not pounce on this idiocy.

Those lefty bitches had a prepared false “fact check” for practically every topic that JD responded to, and nothing for Walz. What a hit job…at least he did push back one time on their partisan participation in the debate.

“They pay XYZ Cleaning to clean the hotel so they never have to deal with SSNs. Turns out XYZ Cleaning was hiring illegals? Oh well gosh we had no idea!”

That’s another way. And using contractors has other advantages. Harder to unionize for one.

“I agree those changes are needed, and add ending the anchor baby scam, but at the very least we could start enforcing the laws we already have.”

Sure but typically when a politician calls for cracking down on illegal immigration by cracking down on employers but doesn’t propose any changes to make it easier to do so they are just pretending to be tough on illegal immigration.

Fortunately, we have a trusted servant called google. Since this is a pet topic of mine (more as a meter of Republican hypocrisy), I keep track of developments. Most recent legislative activity was “S.4529 – Mandatory E-Verify Act of 2024“, introduced by Mitt Romney (the only guy with may be a smidgen of character, hence retiring) that died in the Committe on the Judiciary.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/4529

as Charlemagne and his scholars, as well as all Medieval and Renaissance writers of Arthurian literature, understood.

Citation needed.

All he had to do was the following:
1. Pick a VP that pulls independents
2. Get Kamala in an uncontrolled debate

You use the word ‘all’ as if it were an obtainable goal at least regarding the uncontrolled debate. Vance is smart enough to outmaneuver the investor class mouthpiece press babes

It was an entirely obtainable goal before he nominated Vance and accepted a sham debate with Harris. Trump complained that the debate was rigged. Well duh. The MSM knows that Harris can’t handle an open debate.

Vance is smart enough to outmaneuver the investor class mouthpiece press babes

You can fawn over him all you want but it is the data that matters and Vance doesn’t pull independents or the undecided in swing states. Some nice compliments about him does not change those voters.

His cat mom comment was completely unnecessary and shows a lack of tact. You don’t make divisive statements about single women in a race this close. It could actually come down to handful of counties.

In the last election I pointed out that Trump was losing independents over COVID and Trump Tribe told me I was following MSM propaganda and to ignore the numbers.

Well exit polls showed that he lost independents and White men. COVID was cited as a major factor.

Good job Trump Tribe. You really showed me that the data can be ignored in favor of putting on red hats and giving each other high fives. If anyone has an unwanted opinion then just accused them of being part of the librul media.

Trump can obviously still win but he has made some really big mistakes and Vance is one of them. You don’t pick a VP that plays to the base. They are already voting for you.

Republicans already blew a presidential election with a poor VP pick (Palin). Trump’s best move is still to dump Vance and take Tulsi.

people will change their views when it is to their clear material benefit to do so against a backdrop of deprivation.

Not me! I’ll go to my grave in defense of Haitian culinary honor! It’s what ‘The Founders’ (TM) would have wanted.

Not kidding, when the Haitian kerfuffle erupted a couple of weeks ago a guy at work got hysterical over Trump’s ‘racism’ and asked me what I thought of it. I hadn’t expected something like this out of him or anyone else and answered in a calm voice that racism was nothing more than a club used by the elite to get social control over those lower on the social rung and that the whole affair was meaningless. He was dumbfounded by my answer and has left me alone since. I got the impression that he hadn’t talked to an actual male for some time and had internalized the notion that when the moral-panic bat signal goes off there is only one acceptable response: compliance.

‘…Vance was excellent, though. I wish he was at the top of the ticket.’

Reasons to vote for Trump.

1. The purely negative one. Trump winning keeps Harris’ handlers from retaining control of the White House.

2. The positive one. If Trump wins, Vance is likely to succeed him. Vance is about the closest thing to hope going.

You don’t pick a VP that plays to the base.

If only Agnew hadn’t held Nixon back.

‘…Smart money says Vance (supported by Thiel and Musk) will basically run the White House while increasingly senile Donald focuses on his golf swing and writing screeds on social media…’

This works for me.

‘…Republicans already blew a presidential election with a poor VP pick (Palin). Trump’s best move is still to dump Vance and take Tulsi.’

Nope. Tulsi displeased the Jews. She was sent to Kanye West Land.

“Republicans already blew a presidential election with a poor VP pick (Palin). Trump’s best move is still to dump Vance and take Tulsi.”

That would be a panic move that would just make things worse. And the fact that Tulsi Gabbard appeals to some right wingers doesn’t mean she is generally popular or would have been a good pick.

You don’t pick a VP that plays to the base.
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You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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See Wm. Schneider on this point. Your single best guess is that the VP candidate will net you 2% of the ballots in his home state and have a negligible effect in other states. If electoral advantage is your priority, you select someone to secure a swing state. Tim Kaine (2016) and Lloyd Bentsen (1988) were selections which could serve that end. Otherwise, your aim is to avoid distractions. The thing about distractions (Thomas Eagleton and Geraldine Ferraro being examples) is that they are often unanticipated. Most of the media is now an extension of the DNC press office. They’ll manufacture distractions out of squat and bury genuine scandals, so that’s less of a consideration than it was when Schneider was writing.
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Other uses of the VP selection are to placate a constituency (George Bush the Elder, Mike Pence) or to placate an influential (Harris in re Clyburn). Sometime skill sets and / or compatibility are considerations (Dole in 1976, Gore in 1992, Lieberman in 2000, &c).
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I wish I had better information to pass on for you. I recall reading about it several times in VDare, but I do not have the time right now to see if their content is archived anywhere on the internet. But the post by Precious (at #78 in this thread) gives a great bullet point summary.

“Contra Steve’s theory, Walz may be so weird that he didn’t go to China for the slanty ladies but for the Maoism (when even dead hippie John Lennon thinks you’re cringe, you’re cringe) or at least for easy graft.”

If the Repubs had any balls, they would have jumped at the opportunity to reply to the Democrats’ meme attempt, calling the Rs “weird.” Talk about the ultimate in projection. I imagine a campaign ad depicting people like Rachel Levine and Sam Brinton, stealing women’s underwear, followed by some mugshots of Antifa specimens. Then fading away silently while the screen shows, in BIG letters, “And they call US weird.”

You don’t pick a VP that plays to the base.

If only Agnew hadn’t held Nixon back.

You can make anecdotal remarks all day long but the data is clear on Vance. The public does not like him.

Trump’s running mate has the lowest favorability rating of any VP pick immediately after the party convention since the 1980s, with a net negative favorability of -6 points
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-inauthenticity-gop-strategist-b2591456.html

Trump is not infallible. This was a poor pick.

See Wm. Schneider on this point. Your single best guess is that the VP candidate will net you 2% of the ballots in his home state and have a negligible effect in other states.

There is no standard equation for the VP.

People find Vance to be disingenuous
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-inauthenticity-gop-strategist-b2591456.html

The election will come down to swing states which are decided by independents and moderates.

Vance does not poll well with independents.

Other uses of the VP selection are to placate a constituency (George Bush the Elder, Mike Pence) or to placate an influential (Harris in re Clyburn).

The relative impact of the VP selection is different in every election.

In the case of Trump it certainly matters because he is more likely to have some type of medical issue at his age. Trump is much more likely to have a heart attack than Harris which means the VP could become the president.

Trump picked a VP that has negative favorability with the public. Why is it so hard to admit that he made a bad decision? It’s not like it will change the election by being honest about it in a forum.

Trump lost independents and White women in 2020. Vance does absolutely nothing to bring them back. Tulsi polls well with both groups and has a strong military background.

“oh but you can ignore unfavorable data cause MSM or something” – Trump Tribe in 2020

Tulsi displeased the Jews.

How? Are you getting her mixed up with Candace Owens?

Thanks for that. It will be pretty interesting to see if it goes in the history books that Kamala’s stupid response to Shapiro proved fateful in her losing Pennsylvania. That plus Georgia is all that Trump needs to flip in order to hit 270. There’s other factors at play in Pennsylvania including the again fateful fact that Trump was assassinated there (should garner sympathy of voters … though maybe not) plus the real world fact that long haired Scott Pressler is combing the state for registrations of likely republican voters and reportedly meeting with great success:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Presler

Thank you for finding those articles. It’s too bad Sailer was writing to a Third Turning audience. Maybe now that the Fourth Turning is reaching a climax, things will change

Vance was the best possible pick Trump could have made among the realistic options. He’s smooth and Ivy League enough to navigate debates and TV appearances, but authentic and spontaneous enough to avoid coming off as a stuffy young investment broker, the way Paul Ryan did. More importantly, he actually is ideologically aligned with Trump on his signature issues–the American working class, foreign wars, immigration–unlike the corporatist Pence. The “Vance is a terrible pick” narrative is being pushed by a weird mixture of (1) neocons who are worried about his publicly expressed skepticism of the Ukraine war; (2) “traditional” corporate-worshipping Republicans who are wary of Vance’s pro-working-class views; (3) the Dems, who would say any Republican VP choice was terrible, and (4) the monomaniac conspiracy theorists who hang out at places like Vox Popoli and Gab, and have convinced themselves that Vance’s ties to Musk and Thiel and the success of his book make him a “ticket-taker” who’s part of the supposed homosexual/ satanist cabal that they believe is running the west. None of these people’s objections should be taken at face value, or even very seriously.

The Destruction Of Tim Walz

Oct 2, 2024

The fellas breakdown the remarkable one sided Vice presidential showdown between JD Vance and Tim Walz.

Shapiro “not being impressed” with anyone is a case of projection.

Vance wasn’t there to beat up Walz as we’d all like to see but to convince mush-brained, mostly female undecided voters that he isn’t the weird monster portrayed in the media. If Trump can’t get the votes of the Dem-inclined and lazy, they may decide it isn’t necessary to vote at all.