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Assisted suicides represented an astonishing 4.1% of all Canadian deaths in 2022. Canada’s MAID program has gone beyond voluntary, as there have been cases involving coercion by doctors for the poor and mentally ill. A person can’t ethically make a life or death decision in a bad mental state, and Canada has delayed the MAID program for mentally ill people. However, there have been mentally ill people who have been euthanized under the program. Noah Smith pointed out “Having been a depressed person, I can tell you with confidence that depressed people are not fully capable of pushing back against a doctor’s suggestions,” and that “Depressed people also have great difficulty thinking rationally about what would actually improve their lives.”
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Modern Western society is so broken that it is causing many people to want to die. This is spawned by many factors, including policies supported by those in power, but also a spiritual crisis of lack of meaning. However, I do support euthanasia in cases like Terri Schiavo, where someone is terminally ill and suffering. Voluntary euthanasia or assisted suicide seems to be unique to Anglosphere nations with Canada and now the UK, but also other Protestant origin but secular nations like the Netherlands. America having some Christian core and much of the growing non-population being Latino Catholics adds some moral buffer.
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While conservatives tend to blame euthanasia on Canada and the UK’s socialized medicine, I could easily see a scenario where private health insurance companies lobby for something like MAID to save costs. Expect there to be increased proposals for euthanasia in response to a rapidly aging population, considering all the resentment that the young have against the old. Not to mention automation rendering more people economically obsolete.
I lean pro-choice or don’t care so much about abortion, with the distinction between fetuses and fully formed humans. However, another distinction is that those most impacted by abortion tend to be people who are extroverted/socially aggressive, lower IQ, r-selected, and hyper-promiscuous, and I generally want there to be fewer people with that combo of traits in society. In contrast, since I have struggled with depression and anxiety and was diagnosed with Aspergers as a child, I can find commonality with people impacted by euthanasia.
I suppose this position could be coded as racist, as the Black proletariat is most impacted by abortion while euthanasia disproportionately impacts White people. However, I am not in favor of imposing abortion on certain demographics but rather my stance is that every demographic should decide for themselves about whether it is acceptable, and I am fine leaving it to the States as Trump supports. My attitude toward abortion is more indifference. Regardless, people’s personal identity and tribal biases influence their ethical positions, and I happen to be totally honest about that.
source: National Institute of Mental Health
It is fair to ask whether White Canadians are being specifically targeted under MAID, or if euthanasia is becoming a safety valve for discontent. At the very least, Whites are more vulnerable to programs like MAID due to being more secular, atomized, and lacking tribal networks. “People of the Ice,” including Northern European Whites as well as Northeast Asians, certain Native American tribes, and Eskimos/Inuits have higher rates of suicide, depression, and neuroticism than “people of the Sun.”
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The Alt-Right and HBD sphere talk a lot about eugenics but they are just LARPing, as they have zero power. It is more MAGA and the Christian Right who oppose euthanasia while a portion of the secular Alt-Right, as well as libertarians like Richard Hanania support it. Euthanasia, like abortion, are forms of eugenics that are ironically practiced under the guise of liberalism, which gets into the horseshoe theory and the “Dems are the real racists” and “liberal fascism” tropes. Canada is going further in using progressive principles to justify euthanasia. Basically, the moral justification is to liberate people from suffering, which is a hyper-individualistic value system. There also seems to be a correlation with regimes that are embracing a highly technocratic model of governance.
There is some irony in that those promoting eugenics within the HBD sphere are often on the spectrum or tend to be very nerdy. This demographic is bitter that society is not rewarding to outright penalizing their traits in favor of more charismatic, socially dominant, and socially savvy people. Eugenics is actually happening but it is not for the high IQ autistic types but rather the conventionally attractive, outgoing, low in neuroticism, upper class coded families with three kids.
source: @Empty_America on X
Social conservatives have a point that there is a slippery slope to devaluing life. There are also parallels between what conservative says about the slippery slope with abortion and euthanasia and what liberals say about eugenics and White identitarian views leading to Hitler. I can even understand some of the civil liberties or classical liberal reservations about eugenics, as there have been abuses in the past, such as forced sterilizations.
Those who support sane and humane eugenic policies must offer some assurance of the slippery slope fallacy, though even Margaret Sanger expressed humanitarian concerns for the poor. Overall, I prefer positive eugenics and am weary of negative eugenics. Genetics determine most aspects of society and I reject the blank slatist view that people are all interchangeable and malleable by culture and institutions. Regardless, there is a need for a dualism where things like HBD and eugenics are offset by some degree of humanitarianism. Even though I am not an egalitarian, there is some intrinsic value to life due to consciousness.
Examples of Eugenic Policies that I support:
Policies for a Great Class Swap Future
Robert Stark
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The Great Class Swap (Introduction)
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Of course, the most dysgenic policy of all is contraception, which is religiously practiced by the intelligent and not much practiced by the obtuse. I was considered to be something of an eccentric by my well-paid and intelligent co-workers because I have five children, a number they considered to be extravagant. Those of them who had children typically had one or two. The contraceptive mentality creates an anti-natalist prejudice and children are seen as burdens rather than as assets. Abortion creates an even stronger anti-natalist prejudice. In my younger days, I knew a number of attractive and intelligent white women in my work/social circle. More than a few of them had abortions (not my children!). Many of them remained unmarried and, if married, remained childless or had one child. They are the shock troops of feminism. You can see them on social media boasting of their abortions and their hostility toward “the patriarchy” ( normal, healthy relations between the sexes).
Euthanasia is not a “form of eugenics” anyway. Even if it may have a eugenic effect in a handful of cases, no one would promote it as “eugenics” for this reason.
In the West, there are rare cases of deaths; for example, those who disapprove of abortions as deaths may agree with the killing of children with bombs in schools, as we saw in the case of Gaza.
This is because the events are judged as political or racist cases because the perpetrators are brutalized and lack human feelings.
The same thing happens in many similar cases.
Could it be Hitler thought that the Jews were very depressed and instituted his own early version of the MAID program? If this can be proven today’s Jews owe him an apology.
Ralph Nader said “the right to die becomes the duty to die.”
He was thinking of greedy insurance executives. There are also greedy heirs. There is also pure malice.
If somebody else is “helping” you kill yourself, it wasn’t really your decision.
As near as I can make out, the author opposes state-sponsored euthanasia because he sees it as disproportionately affecting white people like himself, who are prone to depression and have been diagnosed as autistic. He seems to consider that effect dysgenic. Yet he argues against himself when he says:
Would the world really be a better place without Richard Stark and bitter autistics like him? Perhaps society needs its critics. The data on increasing use of anti-depressant drugs he provides recalls this passage from Kaczynski’s ISAIF:
If the current state of society makes people depressed and autistic, then it’s worth asking whether it’s society that needs to change rather than its people. The complete destruction of the technological system that Kaczynski called for is one way to bring that about. The price would be billions of lives. Further “progress” in forcing man to adapt to the system — better anti-depressant drugs, along with the “positive eugenics” Stark seems to advocate — might be another, although imperfect. At present, society appears to be moving in the latter direction.
Last time I looked, euthanasia was not compulsory, although in many cases it ought to be made retrospective. Doctors’ opposition I understand. Why remove the most lucrative market of all, the dying, before every penny has been extracted? But the busybodies and God-botherers should just mind their own business.
Ahh, but the technological system is already being completely destroyed, by its own actions that have caused the ecological cataclysm, that the indoctrination systems, comparable to anti-anxiety medications, have, so far successfully, hidden from the view on the Clapham omnibus. That is about to change, suddenly and horrifically.
So, what do you think is the world’s ‘carrying capacity’ for Dutch boys and girls? The more the merrier? I’d get out of the Low Countries, too, before it is inundated.
mulga mumblebrain: “… the technological system is already being completely destroyed, by its own actions that have caused the ecological cataclysm …”
It may be that the system will soon accidentally collapse of its own accord, but I suspect that’s probably too optimistic. Perhaps more likely is a long emergency that will degrade the system slowly in a lot of areas while “Progress” continues in other areas. But that it must ultimately collapse either by accident or because of an intentional attack seems apodeictic, simply because as technologies become ever more powerful, the unintended and unforeseen consequences of those new technologies will likewise be stronger, eventually resulting in a catastrophe from which the system can’t recover. The only question is whether that collapse will come while humans as we know them today still exist, or after the system has modified them beyond anything we’d recognize as human.
Inundated with Moroccans.