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The Israel lobby wields some of the most influence over American politics than any lobbying group in Washington. As Ilan Pappé, the Israeli historian, professor and author, and host Chris Hedges detail in this latest episode of The Chris Hedges Report, the lobby’s rise to power consisted of diverging ideological factions uniting in pursuit of their shared interests in controlling the land of historic Palestine. The history and manifestation of this systemic corruption of the Zionist lobby, hyper-dependent on coercion and total control, is thoroughly described in Pappé’s new book, Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic.
Through Pappé’s historical accounts and analysis, he dispels the fabrication that Israel was created to protect the Jews of the world from systemic oppression. Those first involved in lobbying for Zionism were separated into two ideological groups; the religious Zionists, who actually believed in a messianic connection to historic Palestine, as well as protecting marginalized Jews, and those who the Israeli author describes as “more cynical”; the imperialists, or those “who saw the theological ideas as a good pretext for fulfilling more secular political roles…they wanted not only Palestine, but also Syria and Egypt to expand the British empire.”
Even the Zionists who sincerely wanted to help the oppressed Jews of the world, however, found themselves working with antisemitic bigots to achieve their goal. As Pappé states,
“One of the major motives for leaders of the Jewish community in Britain to support the idea of the Jews going from Russia to Palestine was the fear that these Jews would come to London.”
This sordid partnership highlights the way that the Zionist lobby has functioned since its inception. Pappé describes it as a system that is “a solution for a certain group of Jews that is developed by a certain group of Jews who are not part of that project, but that project serves other interests that they have.”
This idea is embodied in the current state of Israel, and the lobby’s obsession with controlling its “allies,” as opposed to actually pursuing policies and partnerships that benefit it:
“As we’ve seen, the way AIPAC decided who Israel’s enemies were often had very little to do with the actual policies, which were frequently to Israel’s advantage–they decided simply based on how obedient an administration was to the lobby. America’s endorsement of the Oslo Accords was not a milestone on the road to peace for AIPAC, but a testimony to its own failure to influence America’s policy.”
It is through this endemic toxicity that Israel may very well be leading itself, and Zionism with it, to its demise.
Credits
Host:
Chris Hedges
Producer:
Max Jones
Intro:
Max Jones
Crew:
Diego Ramos, Sofia Menemenlis and Thomas Hedges
Transcript
Chris Hedges: The Israel’s lobby buying off of nearly every senior politician in the United States, facilitated by our system of legalized bribery, is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact. The lobby’s campaign of vicious character assassination, smearing and blacklisting against those who defend Palestinian rights—including the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe and university students, many of them Jewish, in organizations such as Students for Justice in Palestine—is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact. The passage of Israeli-backed legislation requiring their workers and contractors, under threat of dismissal, to sign a pro-Israel oath and promise not to support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact. The shameless cheerleading by most members of Congress of Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when he addressed Congress in the midst of the Gaza genocide is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact. The U.S. refusal, including in the United Nations and other international bodies, to criticize Israel’s apartheid state and routine violation of international law is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact. The well-funded campaigns by the Israel lobby, which works closely with Israel’s Ministry of Strategic Affairs, to discredit any American politician or academic who even slightly deviates from Israeli policy is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact. The massive interference in our internal affairs by Israel and the Israel lobby, far exceeding that of any other country, including Russia or China, is not an anti-Semitic trope. It is a fact.
Israel’s lackeys in the political class, along with bankrupt courtiers in the U.S. press are making a serious mistake, however, in refusing to acknowledge Israel’s outsized, transparent and often illegal meddling in the American political system and Israel’s brutal oppression of Palestinians. It is too obvious and too egregious to hide. The longer the ruling elites ignore this reality and censor and target those such as Rep. Ilhan Omar or Jamal Bowman, who lost his Congressional seat after seeing the Israel lobby pour money into the race to defeat him, the more it gives credence to the racists, bigots, conspiracy theorists and white hate groups, many rooted in the Christian right, who are the real anti-Semites. Israel and its lobby, rather than protecting Israel and Jews, are steadily nullifying their moral and ultimately political force.
Criticism of Israel and the ideology of Zionism is not anti-Semitic. Criticism of Israel’s influence and control over U.S. foreign policy, and of Israeli efforts to silence those who champion Palestinian rights, is not anti-Semitic. Criticism of the genocide in Gaza and occupation of Palestine is not anti-Semitic. The more Israel and the Israel lobby abuse the charge of anti-Semitism, a charge the Israel lobby has leveled against Jeremy Corbyn to defeat his bid to be prime minister and Labour Party leader, the more they lose their effectiveness against the dangerous anti-Semites.
But Israel and its lobby do not care if its political allies, including those in the Christian right and the Trump White House, possess warped and racist attitudes about Jews. The sole criterion of Israel and the Israel lobby in determining who to support and who to demonize is identifying who backs the far-right agenda of the apartheid state of Israel and who does not. Genuine anti-Semitism is irrelevant. For Israel, the world is divided along the fault line of Palestinian rights. Stand up for the Palestinians and you are an anti-Semite. Cheer their marginalization, oppression and murder and you are a friend of the Jews. Have Jewish leaders forgotten their own history? Anti-Semitism is wrong and dangerous not only because it is bad for the Jews, but because the dark forces of ethnic and religious hatred, used by Israel and the lobby against critics, are bad for everyone, including the Jews and the Palestinians. Israel has opened this Pandora’s box of evils at your peril. Joining me to discuss the history and reach of the Israel lobby in the U.S. and the UK is the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, professor of history at the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies and Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies at the University of Exeter in the UK. who has long been a target for Zionists. His new book Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic explores how a century of aggressive Israeli lobbying has impacted and deformed the Middle East as well as the political landscape in the US and the UK.
Okay, so Ilan, in the beginning of your book, you write in a history of lobbying for Zionism, you call it a history of prophets, very committed individuals like the Earl of Shaftesbury, who believed they were guided directly by God, and who promulgated an idea that metamorphized into a political crusade. We’ve kind of come full circle, of course, with the seller movement. You say, before anything else, Zionism was a narrative. Can you unpack that for us?
Ilan Pappé: Yes, definitely, I think, in the history of all ideologies that do transform realities, at the end of the day, you don’t start with an institution. Sometimes you start with ideas that are being conceived by individuals, but if they are powerful enough and networking properly with alliances, ideas which might seem very abstract and theoretical, are translated into reality on the ground. Now, these particular people I’m talking about in the early history, if you want, of lobbying for Zionism, were probably made of two kinds of personalities. You had, the more religious ones who were very closely connected to evangelical Christianity, not to all evangelical Christianity, but one particular kind of stream within Christianity. You could call it the restorationists, people who were very busy writing and thinking about the connection between what they would call the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the end of time, the return of the Messiah, the resurrection of the dead and so on. So this was one group of people who were devoting much of their life, their public life, sometimes even their private life, to push forward something that they believed was a religious assignment. Next to them, people were a bit more cynical about it.
And these were people, you could call them imperialists, who saw the theological ideas as a good pretext for fulfilling more secular political roles. In the case of Palestine, these were people who were not very comfortable or did not support the basic British policy throughout the 19th century to keep the Ottoman Empire intact, because people in Britain were worried that once the empire collapses, there will be a total war in Europe over the spoils of the empire, especially the provinces in Europe. And they thought that it was good actually, to hasten the fall of the Empire, and they wanted, not only Palestine, but also Syria and Egypt, to expand the British Empire over those areas in order to strengthen both the land and other kind of connections between Britain and its South Asian colonies or interests. So you had these people that probably at the time, did not look very important because they didn’t have institutions behind them or organizations, but when we read them in retrospect, we see how their ideas, once they have institutions behind them, become strategies, programs and then affect the life of people in a very significant way.
Chris Hedges: There were two aspects of this in the early years of Zionism that I found fascinating. One is that it was a top down movement. Very little popular support. A lot of this, especially by the wealthy European Zionists, was about moving people under Russian occupation or in Eastern Europe from the shtetls, but not going themselves. And the second was an absolute misreading of the power of, let’s call it what they called it, world Jewry. Can you talk about those two aspects?
Ilan Pappé: Yes, definitely. There was again here, I think a mixture of a genuine concern and a more cynical one. I think some of the people, such as the one who is regarded as a founding father, or the main prophet of the Zionist movement on the Jewish side, Theodor Herzl, who I think were genuinely moved by the plight of Europeans, of Jews, I’m sorry, especially in Eastern Europe under the Russian Empire, that as it became more and more nationalistic, that kind of Russian nationalism was also more antisemitic than the previous kind of czarist overall ideas of what Russia was. So I think there was a genuine wish to help the Russian Jews. But at the same time, there was a great worry that the kind of antisemitic policies of Russia, the more nationalist Russia, would push these Jews into the West, into Germany, Britain, and even to the United States. And by the time that these, I call them, the Anglo Jewish aristocrats and the non Jewish Anglo aristocrats, were kind of looking at the idea this mixture of a genuine concern for people who are under persecution, on the one hand, and more cynical worry from waves of immigration, when they were sort of thinking about these issues, the first groups of Jews have already arrived in London, especially from Romania and Russia.
And we have to all remember that we are talking about Russia with the beginning of also Bolshevik ideas and socialist ideas. So they didn’t only see them as an economic burden because most of them were very poor, but also people who were motivated by revolutionary ideas that could undermine the political stability in Britain and later in the United States. So you had this kind of mixture of concern and cynical ideas. And I think that some of the people who were involved in this, these aristocrats, you know, especially, I think second sons and third sons, who had more time to to deal with this issue, even in this scholarly way, if you want to, fell in love with the idea that maybe the Jews were a nation to themselves, which was both an antisemitic idea and a philosemitic idea, namely, if the Jews are a nation to themselves, they’re not British, but if they are a nation to themselves, they can still serve a very important role in history, especially if you are a religious, pious Christian or Jew for that matter. So you had this kind of mixture of imperialist impulses, antisemitic, philosemitic, I would call it even Islamophobic when it came eventually to decide who would rule Palestine and this genuine care for people who were suffering from racist persecution, and it served different purposes for for different people.
But the most important thing is, of course, and that’s what you mentioned, and I think that’s very important and I’m not sure how many people understand that. That the one of the major, I’m not saying the only one, but as I say in the book, one of the major motives for leaders of the Jewish community in Britain to support the idea of the Jews going from Russia to Palestine was the fear that these Jews would come to London. This is important, because this is where they would connect with someone like Arthur Balfour, who, in 1905, 1906 was passing legislation in Parliament to make sure the Jews would not be able to enter Britain. This went together between antisemite non-Jews, and Jews who were, I would call them antisemite to a certain extent, against Jews who were not like them, for centuries part of the British society. So Palestine became this receptor for these people, for good reasons and for more cynical reasons, this was supposed to be the place where the problem of Jews, if you really cared about it in Russia would be solved, where the problem of Jews that might come and undermine your social and economic and political stability would be solved, and where Jews might even contribute to the end of time, if you were a restorationist evangelical Christian.
Chris Hedges: And there was a political divide because socialism was an ideology that much of the working class embraced on the eve of World War I, both in Britain and the United States, but the hierarchy, or the leaders of the Zionist movement, were very wary of socialism. And I just want to throw in, because it’s a fascinating point that you make in the book, is that eventually the socialist, European socialist movements embrace the Zionist project, and the only people that call it out for the settler colonial project that it is are the Marxist-Leninists.
Ilan Pappé: Yes, it’s quite incredible, isn’t it? It’s like you worry that socialism will be brought by these Jewish immigrants into the heart of Britain, but if these socialists want to try and play, if you want, with socialism in Palestine, that’s fine. That’s actually less dangerous. And I think that’s why you had these kinds of aristocrats or the political elite of Jews who really made it in Britain to the highest positions in government or in businesses, who definitely, if you would talk to them in principle about socialism, they will be very much against it. But if you would tell them that the Zionist settlers in Palestine are trying to create socialist havens like a kibbutz or something similar to that before the kibbutz came into being, they would have nothing against it. And this is the whole game of Zionism. It is a solution for a certain group of Jews that is developed by a certain group of Jews who are not part of that project, but that project serves other interests that they have. And of course, as I all the time mention every 10 pages, so that I don’t forget it and that the readers don’t forget it, all this is about the country where already someone else lived in it, right? We should never forget that this whole game, whether it was an abstract intellectual imagination or emotional imagination, when it becomes real, political programs all the time in the background, we should remember this is about a place where already someone else lives as an organic society. But that seems to be a total irrelevant fact to those who try to think of Palestine as a solution, from a theological point of view, imperialist point of view, or even a genuine humanist point of view, looking for a solution for people who suffer from antisemitic persecution.
Chris Hedges: And when it does come up, the Zionist argument, and the argument of those who support Zionism, is that the indigenous population will be better off because of the settler colonial project.
Ilan Pappé: Yeah, absolutely. And I think the other tactic is to kind of downplay the indigeneity of the population by sort of referring to its nomadic nature by less of development, you know, so they can’t really have the same aspiration for self determination and nationalism as the Jews. It’s kind of a native that is not European, and therefore their collective aspirations do not have to play a very important role, even if they are recognized, in some cases, they’re not even recognized. But as I say in the book, some of the family members of the same Jewish aristocrats who supported Zionism, one of the reasons they were against Zionism, the main reason was that they worried that Jews would be blamed for having dual nationality, dual loyalty. But some of them, in their writings, are also against it because they are aware that this is not the land without people waiting for people without land, and they warn that actually Jews would be part of a project, very early on, so to my great surprise, when I found it, that this would be at the expense of the people who lived there. And this was in the very beginning when they heard about Zionism and understood what this ideology means for the people in Palestine itself.
Chris Hedges: Talk about the shift of power. So eventually you have figures like David Ben-Gurion, who lives in Palestine and is organizing he, himself, as a socialist, the settler colonial project and power shifts away from these European aristocrats, these European Zionists, into the hands of figures like Ben-Gurion, that’s a very important moment in the history of the Zionist movement. Explain what happened.
Ilan Pappé: Yeah, that is very, very important, because I think they were and I described what I thought was a very important moment, very important meeting in London, in the headquarters of the Zionist movement when they’re actually all these members of the Anglo-Jewish elite are being actually told by emissaries on behalf of David Ben-Gurion that they are not leading the Zionist movement. They will not determine what Zionism is or what the Jewish state would be, and their role is really to be a lobby, a propaganda machine for Zionism. There was a very important moment, because what Ben-Gurion understood as, I suppose, some of the leaders of the white settlers in America understood, that while you need the British Empire to set a foothold in Palestine, there will be a moment when the interests of the empire and your own interests will clash. And he didn’t want these Anglo-Zionists, who might still be also loyal British citizens, to interfere in the Zionist plan not only to colonize Palestine and to de-Arabize it, but also to cede it from the British Empire and make it an independent Jewish state. So this is the moment where they have to decide whether they are willing to be advocates for a policy that is formulated by Jews that, just 20, 30 years before that, they had a very lofty attitude towards them as Eastern European Jews, uneducated and just poor people who needs a safe place to be in. But they are becoming their own, they are actually becoming employed by these Jews who are now running the show in Palestine. Some of these Anglo-Jewish members of the elite would distance themselves from Zionism because of that. They will not become anti-Zionists, but they didn’t want to serve as the part of this, what I call, the pro-Zionist lobby in Britain.
Chris Hedges: I mean, we’ll talk about this later, but at the end of the book, you really talk about the Zionist lobby perpetuating itself at this point, at the expense of Israel, is the argument that you make. But let’s go back to what’s happened in Palestine on the eve of World War II. You write the catastrophe that befell the Palestinians in 1948—this is the Nakba, when 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed and the Jewish state was founded—was not because Britain decided sometime between 1915 and 1917 to take over Palestine, but because it was persuaded to make Palestine Zionist. I think that’s a very important point, because superficial reading of history is often that because of the mandate, Britain controlled Palestine, seizing it from the Ottoman Empire in World War I up until 1948 but you argue that it was always about the Zionist project.
Ilan Pappé: Absolutely. You have to remember that, from a British strategic point of view, before the First World War, the parts of the Ottoman Empire which were important were parts that had strategic value for the empire, like Iraq and Egypt, because they were the connection to India. Or later on when oil is discovered in the Arabian Peninsula, or in Persia, in Iran, that is, then these become very important places. If you would have asked anyone who was kind of involved in strategizing for the empire, they would tell you that Palestine has very little strategic value. So yes, if you were a devout Christian, you would say it has a lot of value because of its religiosity, but strategically speaking, it was not that important for Britain. So I think that there was always a danger from a Zionist perspective, that unless you convince Britain that a Zionist state is good for the British imperial set up, that Britain would be willing, for instance, as it was at times, to share the rule of Palestine with France, or making it a more international place, because it is so holy to all three religions. But I think that’s the greatest success of the Zionist lobby, of finding enough important people, among the policy makers in Britain, to convince them that the British interest would be best served not just by having Palestine, but making Palestine a Jewish state.
And I claim in the book that every now and then, more reasonable, I would say, kind of British policy makers were not totally convinced, and that’s why the lobby was very intensively working on it, and needed very strong believers in Zionism. And it’s very interesting to compare, for instance, how they worked with David Lloyd, who was a liberal and Christian, and how they worked with the emerging Labor Party. So to one side, they sold the idea of the kind of end of time, of the fulfillment of the end of time prophecy, if you David Lloyd would support the idea of a Jewish state, and this would return the days of the Crusaders, bringing back the holy land to Christianity. And to the Labor Party, they sold it as a paragon of socialism. They were very clever, and I have to give it to them. And they really kind of tailored the narrative of what the Jewish state is to the to the potential allies they needed, first of all in Britain, because Britain was most important until 1948 for the faith in Palestine, and then afterwards, when they understood that the power shifted to America, they did the same in the United States.
Chris Hedges: You’re talking about David Lloyd George, the former prime minister who ended up embracing the Zionist project, and as you note in the book, he was also employed by the Zionist’s law firm, so he had a financial interest in the perpetuation of Zionism. And it’s also interesting that although he was a socialist, his vision or view of Palestine in the Middle East was really colored by the very Christian household in which he had grown up. And he would use these kinds of biblical terms to refer to what was happening in Palestine. The Balfour Declaration, it’s well known, this is the commitment, the very short but the commitment on the part of the British government in the middle of World War II to build a Zionist state and appeal to the kind of conspiracy theories that worldwide Jewry in America and could bring America into the war, and the Germans might co-opt worldwide Jewry. I mean, it was a complete fantasy, but it should be noted because it colored British policy. Let’s talk about what was happening on the ground in Palestine. So on the first anniversary, this is from your book of the Balfour Declaration, Palestinians demonstrated in large numbers all over Palestine against it.
From that moment onwards, a consolidated Palestinian national movement led by a younger generation of urban professionals and intellectuals, alongside traditional heads of rural and urban clans, commenced an anti-colonialist struggle for nine years, 1920-1929. The activity consisted of petitions, participation in negotiations with the British government, while building a democratic political structure where parties could elect their representatives to an annual National Conference. The consensual position was clear, total rejection of the Balfour Declaration and opposition to Jewish immigration to Palestine, the Zionist purchase of land and colonization from the moment it began. And I think this point is an important one, because much of the argument by Zionists is that the Palestinians had no national identity.
Ilan Pappé: That’s right. And I think, as I said before, this is one of the arguments that their supporters used to say, you don’t have to worry about the aspirations of the local people, because they don’t have these national aspirations. Now, like anyone else in the area, the national aspirations were not, there was no need to, at first, there was no need to articulate them in such an assertive way, because if you look at Iraq, Jordan or Lebanon, it was clear that, yes, you had colonial or ex-colonial powers now having a mandate from the League of Nations, and eventually these countries would become nation states. And you could have expected, from a Palestinian point of view, that the same thing would happen in Palestine, and therefore you don’t have a very active, intensive need to articulate a Palestinian national identity until the Balfour Declaration comes with a British occupation, when the Palestinians realize, or their leaders and activists realize, that it will not be a case like Iraq Syria or Lebanon, where Iraqis would get Iraq and Lebanese would get Lebanon, no.
Palestine was promised to the Jewish national movement, Zionism, and that kind of turned an already existing, I would say, more dormant, more evolutionary, Palestinian national movement, and turned it into more revolutionary one, one that understood, as the years go by, during the mandate, that if it remains passive, Palestine would never be their homeland, let alone, they will never be their nation state, and maybe even not their homeland. And that’s when they become actively involved in trying to persuade Britain to retract from the Balfour Declaration and actually be loyal to the principle that supposedly, after the First World War, the victorious Allies promised people who were under the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, namely, two principles, the principle of self determination and the principle of democracy, namely, that the majority would decide how self determination would look like. And they said, why don’t you apply it in Palestine? Let’s apply the majoritarian idea in Palestine and the self-determination for the native, indigenous people of Palestine. And they were told by the British, in your case, this is impossible, because of the pledge the British Empire made to the Zionist movement.
Chris Hedges: Now also because David Lloyd George really saw the expansion of empire as a plus for Britain, the irony of the socialist Prime Minister. We did finally have a revolt in 1936, 1937 I think the British have to deploy about 100,000 troops to crush it. It essentially made the 1948 effort to defy the armed Zionist movement that seized most of Historic Palestine, but it was timing. I mean, that revolt, which was crushed, essentially weakened the Palestinians to such an extent that by 1948 there was very little they could do to resist. And we can talk about that mythic narrative of, what is it, six Arab nations attacking, and that’s, of course, hyperbolic rhetoric, given the reality of what happened on the ground. But that resistance, as you point out in your book, was from the inception, originally, it was nonviolent, and then, of course, being cut off right and left and ignored, it erupted into violence.
Ilan Pappé: Absolutely. I mean in the history of anti-colonialist movements, in very few cases, you have pacifist, anti-colonialist movements. So yes, violence eventually is employed by those who rebel against colonization and oppression. But this is a violence which is employed for existential reasons, in order to prevent being colonized, and in the case of Palestine, not just being colonized, but being ethnically cleansed from Palestine. So nobody says that they haven’t eventually used, didn’t use an armed struggle, but what is, for me, so interesting, and again, this comes to me as one of the achievements of the lobby, that even years later, when you narrate anti-colonialist movements in Africa, Latin America and Asia many years later, people say, no these were noble movements of liberation, whether they were more violent or less violent, and they were right to demand that the colonialist empires would leave the colonies and would allow them to be independent. The great success of the lobby was that many years later, this natural, justified impulse of people to revolt against an attempt to both colonize them and then uproot them, for years, was still regarded as terrorism, for the sake of terrorism, something that comes out of a culture of violence, and not out of the reality of oppression.
And I would say that even today in Britain and the United States, I can find a lot of educated people who would still say, well, what the Palestinians are doing is really terrorism. And it goes back to that period, because definitely in pro-Israeli narratives in American and British academia, the revolt we are talking about 1936 to 1939 and even the Palestinians attempts to prevent the ethnic cleansing of 1948 are still narrated as the early acts of terrorism motivated by antisemitism and by culture of violence, rather than a classical case of colonized people trying to prevent the colonization of their homeland.
Chris Hedges: Well, when the Zionist militias, pre-1948, attempt to drive the British out, they employ the tactic of terrorism, like all resistance movements, like Hamas. The terrorism, unfortunately, the ANC, the FLN in Algeria, that is in the tool bag, unfortunately, of anti-colonial resistance forces. But, of course, they put a bomb in a satchel or a suicide vest because they don’t have an air force. They don’t have the tools of, let’s call it, state or industrial terror.
Ilan Pappé: But I do think the Zionist terrorism is more like the one used by the French settlers in Algeria when the French government decided to end French rule in Algeria. So this is where the settlers feel that the empire, according to them, should do two things. It should, of course, leave but it should help them to take over the country, which the British didn’t do. Contrary, by the way, to history books that claim that Britain, kind of in ’48, helped the Zionists to take over Palestine. No, their sin was being actually neutral and not doing anything, which was as bad as doing something. But this is really what is so fascinating about it, that again, the narrative then becomes of the Jewish terrorists becoming the freedom fighters of the future, and the Palestinians still remain in the image in the West of continuing being a terrorist, rather than being transformed in the public eye as so many people were transformed eventually, like Mandela or the leaders of the FLM or Nkrumah, people who were fighting against the, not to mention Gandhi, people who were fighting against the British Empire, and later on, were recognized as leaders of the independent, decolonized world. Somehow, and I think this is the success of the lobby, was not allowing the Palestinians to fall into that category, where you are being seen differently once there is a healthy moral objection to colonialism, when the world is being decolonized.
Chris Hedges: I mean, the only difference is that, of course, the French settlers in Algeria were angry because [Charles] de Gaulle and the French planned to leave, whereas the Zionists wanted the British to leave.
Ilan Pappé: That’s right.
Chris Hedges: So throughout this period, and this has crippled the Palestinians, you write, they had nothing equivalent to the Zionist lobby and their leadership had no idea what a powerful enemy they were facing. I, of course, covered [Yasser] Arafat, that was as true for the PLO as it was in the 1920s.
Ilan Pappé: Absolutely, it’s quite incredible. And I think part of this naive belief that the leaders had that, after all, they were the majority of the land, of the people in the country, they had promises from the international community, the Arab world was around them and would certainly help them. All that led to certain passivity compared to the very effective mechanism of the Zionist lobby. But I think I can, in retrospect, unravel, unpack how powerful the Zionist lobby was. I don’t underestimate how difficult it would have been for Palestine to understand it. 70% of the Palestinians were living in rural Palestine in villages. World politics were hardly of any interest to them. The idea that someone in London, in Washington was helping other people, foreign people, to plan their uprooting, their displacement, was very far from their agenda that they could not even begin to think about it. And it’s very interesting to compare the kind of negotiations which the Zionist leaders had with the British Empire and later with the United Nations and the Palestinian leaders had with them.
The Palestinians kind of keep repeating this idea that, surely, the principle of democracy and self-determination is on their side, as if there is no cynical game that could really be more important than the pledges made to them by the international community, whereas the Zionists all the time assume that what matters is hardly any pledges or any international decisions. You know, even the Partition Plan is very clear that Ben-Gurion tells the people in London, forget about the Partition Plan, what was important is recognition of the Jewish state. But the Partition Plan itself was not important because Israel’s border would be determined by the army and the alliances that he would have in the world and so on. It was a very different take on the code of behavior in the region and in the international community that allowed the Zionist movement to build a very strong alliance, and the Palestinians were not able to match it in any way.
Chris Hedges: Before we go on, there’s an important point you make, because the Christian lobby, Christian-Zionist lobby, which, of course, is huge today within the Christian right, is a natural kind of ally with the Zionists, perhaps at this point, Israel’s most important ally in terms of popular support in the United States. You write an important pillar of this coalition was the white settler colonial community in the U.S., I think that’s extremely important, whose elite segments were now easily convinced of the religious basis of another settler colonial project, this time in Palestine. So from the beginning, let’s call them Christian-Zionists or Christian fundamentalists, their interests, and of course, they deify our own white settler colonial project. It’s been a powerful force in shaping the creation of modern Israel.
Ilan Pappé: Absolutely. If you look at the discourse, the language, the images the early European settlers, some of them, used when they arrived in what became the United States and Canada later on, you can see how much the Bible was a source of inspiration. By naming the new settlements places like Zion and on the names of biblical names and therefore, the identification with a similar act by Jewish settlers came, first of all, from the idea that you are actually creating two Zions or two Jerusalems, one on the mountain and one and one on the land, if you want. And therefore there was this identification of Judeo-Christian kind of assignment to create a new Holy Land, one where the Holy Land was originally and one in a new place. And also it was very easy to associate the Palestinians with the natives that the European settlers met in North America, and that created this kind of ideological, I would say, even mental, kind of association between the two projects, the project of creating the United States and the creation of Palestine.
And then you know, even if you go to higher resolutions, you begin to see similarities in the way the frontier is discussed, the frontier where you know you are meeting the savages or the non-civilized people, and you fight in order to civilize the next space where still the natives are controlling. There’s even kind of similar, quite chilling for me, in a way, appropriation of the indigenous peoples’ dress code, some of their folklore, food and even a kind of code of behavior, and you appropriated yourself in order actually to destroy the native people through such an appropriation. Noam Chomsky once commented cynically that, at least, unlike the Americans, the Israelis have never called their lethal weapons in the names of Native American tribes that they have eliminated like, you know, like the Apache helicopter. But yes, these similarities in the narrative that justifies the settler colonial project, the attitude towards the natives and the indigenous people, the appropriation of the indigenous history and customs, and eventually, the most important thing, the right to eliminate them, and the justification for that elimination are so similar despite the different historical periods in which these two settler colonial project occurred.
Chris Hedges: So let’s go to 1948, and let’s focus on the importance of the lobby in the creation of the State of Israel. We should note that at the time of the Balfour Declaration, what was it, 1917 was that the Balfour, year of Balfour, I can’t remember. So 1917, so 10% of the population in Historic Palestine is Jewish. Half of them are settlers. Of course, the genocide carried out by Germany, by the Nazis, and then those who survived that genocide, the Jews who survived, often were unable to return home, especially to places like Poland, their houses were occupied. Very similar to what happens, of course, after 1948 with the Nakba, they have nowhere else to go. And this, in a dark way, thrills Zionists like David Ben-Gurion. And so you have the lobby, in the name of the Holocaust, Norman Finkelstein wrote his book, of course, “The Holocaust Industry” and the sort of appropriation of Jewish suffering. But that’s an extremely important moment, and here the lobby is key. So let’s talk about the lobby, what it did with 1948.
Ilan Pappé: Yeah, the lobby became very effective in several ways. First of all, those who operated the lobby, mostly David Ben-Gurion, but all the people who helped him, they already identified, I think back in 1942, that there is a shift of power as far as the Zionist interest is concerned, from London to Washington. And gradually they understand that they don’t have to work that hard in London anymore, but they have to work hard in Washington, because that’s eventually where the more important decisions about the future of Palestine would be made and this is when they begin to Zionize, I call it in the book, the American-Jewish community. Which, until then, is not totally thrilled by Zionism in large numbers and its more established institutions are not necessarily…
Chris Hedges: So let me just interrupt Ilan. I mean before the Holocaust, before World War I, Zionism, especially in the United States, had very little support.
Ilan Pappé: Exactly, exactly. And even the Holocaust itself did not create, necessarily, among Jews in America, support for Zionism. It was, of course, a real, genuine concern for the Jews who were genocided in Europe, but the lobby was working very hard and effectively to connect the Holocaust, or the fight against the possibility of another Holocaust, with American Jewish support for a Jewish state in Palestine. Now, the problem for the lobby was on several fronts. One, that not all the American Jewish community was convinced that building a Jewish state in Palestine would either solve antisemitism or was the right response to the Holocaust. Secondly, in those days, and I think some of your viewers and listeners would find it difficult to accept, but in those days, American policy towards places such as Palestine were still very much formulated by the State Department, rather than by the White House. And the State Department had people that later on, those who liked them and those who disliked them equally would call them the Arabists. Namely, people who knew Arabic, who knew the Arab world and these people identified more than the Palestinians, one should say. And also so the total American support for a Jewish state in Palestine is undermining American interest in the region as a whole. So you had also a much more neutral and professional, if you want, State Department that created a problem to the Zionist lobby, in fact, to the point that even after the Partition Plan was adopted, because the Partition Plan led to violence on the ground in Palestine. Immediately after it was adopted in the end of November 1947, the State Department advised the president and for a while, Harry Truman accepted it, that maybe America should withdraw its support for partition and support one democratic state in Palestine, which, for a few months, was the official American position, until the lobby succeeded pressuring Truman, in an election year, to retract his support for the one state and go back to support partition.
So they had, this is not the America of today. This was a United States where politically, ideologically, you still had some forces at the policy making level that were still doubtful about the wisdom, even the strategic wisdom, some of them even about the moral wisdom, of supporting a Jewish state at the expense of Palestine, and therefore it was very important for the lobby to work hard. Another and final example is the vote in the United Nations that eventually decided to recognize the right of the Jews to have a state in at least half of Palestine, and later also legalized the takeover of 80% of Palestine, although most of the colonized world was still not represented in the United Nation General Assembly. So despite the fact that the United States has a lot of influence on the General Assembly, at that time, even then, there were some member states who were not entirely convinced about the idea of a Jewish state, especially those who were aware about the reality in Palestine. So the lobby was working day and night to A. persuade the president to not to follow the advice of the State Department. Secondly, to use American resources to pressure reluctant countries to vote for a Jewish state, and to make sure that the United States, despite moments of unpleasantness, and I mentioned them in the book, where the United States thinks that the Israeli policy is unacceptable, especially not allowing the refugees to return, despite these moments that the U.S. would maybe talk the talk, but not walk the walk.
Mainly, they can condemn but not do anything significant to change the course of history. This was a volatile moment for the lobby, and this is, maybe we should say this, this is before AIPAC. In fact, I think AIPAC eventually was established in ’54 as a far more effective lobby, understanding that they were very volatile from a lobbyist perspective, there were very volatile moments before 1954 when AIPAC was established. And this is one of the conclusions for that period, that you need a far more aggressive and far more effective lobby so that the bad period of not only Harry Truman, but specifically the Dwight Eisenhower administration will not repeat itself.
Chris Hedges: And we just throw in 1956, the Israelis, the French and the British attempt to seize the Suez Canal. Gamal Abdel Nasser wants to nationalize the canal and Eisenhower intervenes and stops that. That was kind of the end of the British Empire. We should also note that the Arabists, who you talk about, they were one of the first targets of the Zionist lobby, and they were purged from the State Department in the 1950s, Robert Kaplan writes a book about it called “The Arabists,” and that’s how you essentially, since then, turn Israel-Palestine policy over to figures like Martin Indyk, Tony Blinken and others who are really, in essence, committed Zionists, and their perspective is completely distorted throughout the Middle East by Zionism. Let’s talk about 1954, AIPAC is founded. That really is the creation, certainly in the United States, we can talk a little bit about Britain, and I do want to talk about Tony Blair, which I didn’t know until I read your book, his political fortunes were essentially underwritten by the Zionist lobby and allowed him, as you point out in the book, to ignore the traditional base of labor, which were unions, which, of course, Blair betrayed the working class of Britain and the union movement.
But let’s talk about the lobby, the creation of the lobby, and how it works. We just saw Prime Minister Netanyahu address Congress. I think it was the fourth time, The Congress was, you know, rapturous. I mean, this is a guy, there’s a warrant for his arrest, of course, as a war criminal, his ongoing genocide in Gaza. But Congress was always the key. You know, maybe the media was very important, but clearly within the US system, the Zionist lobby realized they had to own Congress, which they do to this day. And if you oppose, even teepidly, the Zionist project, Jamaal Bowman and others, you are targeted and often pushed out of the political system. So let’s talk about the machinery of the lobby from ’54 onwards, and how it works.
Ilan Pappé: What is so interesting that actually they got the idea from a failed attempt back in 1900, when the Zionist lobby began in Britain, when the first lobbyist in Britain decided to write to every candidate for the national elections in Britain and telling them that they would support them or the rivals if they support the Zionist project in Palestine. Now, in the British electoral system, it didn’t work that well, because it’s a constituency, kind of, you know, parliamentary system. But this kind of method, which is not the only method, as you say, but it was definitely the principal method was adopted by [inaudible] the early lobbyist for Zionism who worked a little bit with the Israeli delegation in the United Nations, in the trade unions, a guy from Cleveland, originally from Canada, who really developed this idea that you need to connect yourself to early career politicians at the regional level, at the national level, even at the municipal level, and follow their career from the very beginning and offer help or threaten to withdraw help, or give help to their rivals in order to create a long life commitment to Israel. We’re talking already about Israel, not just Zionism. And it’s incredible, because I think what happened is that it worked. The first fruits probably were already in the midterm elections in 1954 but definitely through the campaigns that Nixon was trying to, I’m sorry that Kennedy was using the lobby against Nixon in the early ’60s and so on. Sorry. The more they see it’s working, the more they invest in this kind of system. So it’s really, it sounds simple, but it’s not that easy to do this, but they perfect the system as they go along, they perfect it. They perfected it. If one can use this term to say this and then there is something that is added.
But I think that only comes after ’67, it’s not enough to have these connections with the candidates and you hope, of course, that some of them would be really influential people. In the end of the day, they’re adding two more elements which are very effective, taking a very active role in presidential elections, almost as I show in the book, sometimes offering to do the more dirty work for the candidates in order to smear the other candidate. And secondly, they begin to understand that they need a permanent presence on Capitol Hill. And as one of them said to me, you needed that to remind our allies, should they forget who we are, it’s good for them, you know, to pass over the door he gave a credible kind of image. He said it was important for them to go next to a door to see one of their colleagues being reprimanded by someone from the lobby for not doing the job. You know, it’s kind of a system that needs to be maintained at the level of intimidation, also, definitely in the ’60s and the ’70s, I think later on, it’s just by inertia. They’re not worried. They think that people know what they should say or should not say, without any need to exert direct pressure on them, and you just have to deal with those who do not understand the message.
Chris Hedges: And of course, they’re highly funded. You have these figures, modern figures like Haim Saban and others. We’re talking about massive amounts of money. And the American system is a system of legalized bribery, and if you defy the lobby, and we can, let’s talk a little bit about Senator [J. William] Fulbright, the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He decides to investigate AIPAC’s financial affairs and you can lay out what happens.
Ilan Pappé: Absolutely. His main worry there is not antisemitic or anti-Israeli, he’s worried of any foreign country that interferes through lobbying in American policy, because he’s very much devoted to shaping American foreign policy according to what he thinks are moral values and so on. So he investigates professionally the lobby, and what he reveals, more than anything else, that the lobby is using money that supposedly is being recruited for the less fortunate sections of the Israeli society, the money goes to Israel, but instead of being invested in the poorer areas of Israel, some of it, not all of it, some of it goes back to finance the lobby itself, which is a total violation of the American law. And he publishes, through Newsweek, his findings. And then it becomes the arch enemy of the lobby, and the way to destroy someone is, of course, to help the rival in the next elections, he was a senator for the Senate. And I bring a quote from his rival in Arkansas, who says, well, you know, the Zionist filled my coffers with money. I had no problem, I had no issue with money, he said, in my elections, and he defeated Fulbright. But it’s more than that. They kind of defame him, destroy his reputation, and in many ways destroy his political career for exposing the less legal aspects of their activity, and he is one of many to come, of course, who would suffer a similar fate for daring to challenge the lobby.
Chris Hedges: Before we go into where we are today, because it’s an important point you make in the book. The lobby used the arms sales to Jordan, we’re talking about the other Arab countries, as a pretext for demanding more arms for Israel. Even today, this quid pro quo continues to be plan B for the lobby. You either stop arms sales to the Arab world, or you concede, but demand compensation for Israel, even after the Abraham Accords, this was under Trump, a set of peace agreements between Israel, the UAE, Bahrain and Morocco, were concluded in 2020, arms deals for Arab countries continued to be balanced by more aid to Israel, making sure the arms race never ended.
Ilan Pappé: This is very interesting. What the lobby found out that the arms industry in the United States does have vested interest in the Arab world, and they are sacred to them, namely the Arab clients, despite their support for Israel, they don’t want to lose their Arab clients, and some of their Arab clients, and I talk about states, not about persons, right, some of these clients become richer and richer because of oil and petrol and fossil energy, they can buy a lot of weapons. And therefore, the lobby finds out that even if Israel demands that a certain kind of very important weapons, or the most updated weapons, will not be sold to Arab neighboring countries, the counter lobby of the arms industry is powerful enough to convince presidents not to do that despite the demands of the lobby. So what they do, they say, okay, if we can’t prevent sales to Jordan, we can demand selling more weapons and more modern weapons, you know, kind of cutting edge weapons to Israel. So the kind of, and I call it the mentality of the lobby, you need to feel that you are winning. Sometimes, I was very surprised, sometimes these demands to increase the weapon supply, or the arm supplies to Israel are not even a request that comes from Israel. It is what I call the power for the sake of power.
If they cannot do that they might, in their own eyes, they are losing their grip on the Congress. They are not powerful enough. So sometimes they ask for more weapons to Israel in order to show to themselves that there’s still a very powerful lobby, because they did not succeed in the first round to prevent the arms sales to Saudi Arabia or Jordan. This is incredible, because the longevity of this lobby is also its weakness, because it becomes an animal by itself. It’s not only serving the interests of Israel, it is a powerful mechanism that is living for power, enjoys power and sometimes even forgets what the power is needed for, and wants to maintain the power as its main priority.
Chris Hedges: I think you argue at the end of the book that, and let’s put it in the context of the current genocide, where I think that they mask Israel’s attempt, and you write about these investing all sorts of money to change perception, control academic studies, intimidate the media, that mask has really dropped away with this live streamed genocide. I don’t think it’s coming back, but you argue at the end of the book that, in essence, the lobby is counterproductive to Israeli interests itself. So let’s talk about since October 7, the role of the lobby, what it’s done and I think it’s kind of spinning its wheels in the mud. I don’t think that it’s working.
Ilan Pappé: No, it’s not. It’s kind of decided to frame as its enemies, young people, conscientious sections of the American civil society, minority groups, people who maybe people mainstream America may consider some of them naive, but very few people would regard them as immoral or enemies of the state. And this is the main problem of the lobby now. Its enemies are people that actually have a spirit that, in the past, America used to admire. Secondly, some of them belong, actually to the American elites, definitely the students and the whole discourse that is brought that the lobby is trying to fight is a moral discourse. Yes, you can bomb a moral discourse to a certain extent. We saw it in the pressure to, you know, on the presidents of universities, or we or Jewish alumni withdrawing money from certain universities. Or can you still use money and force, but you don’t really kill a movement of solidarity that has the same impulses that the anti-Vietnam movement had, that the Civil Rights Movement had. You cannot kill it with money. And therefore you’re right, they’re stuck in the mud, because it’s not a question of convincing the American Congress to give more money to Israel or sell more arms.
Yes, they can still do that, but they have never had the right methods, and they will never have, I think, the right weapons, if you want, to fight against systemic changes in public opinion that are based on moral values or knowing the reality, or, as you say rightly, on the daily images of a genocide. There is a limit in the 21st century how much you can do that. And they don’t have the kit of tools anymore to deal with it, and therefore, I don’t think they will be succeeding unless other factors would not change public opinion in a direction that I think is changing. And of course, they still have the chunk of call it maybe the Trump base in America. They can still unite with them. There’s no need to pressure these guys, but they understand that they’re losing a very important section of America, that they divided American society.
Chris Hedges: And they’ve lost the facade. I mean, they may get support from Trump, but they’ve lost that facade. And just to buttress that point, you write the way AIPAC decided who Israel’s enemies were often had very little to do with the actual policies, which were frequently to Israel’s advantage. They decided simply based on how obedient an administration was to the lobby. America’s endorsement of the Oslo Accords was not a milestone on the road to peace for AIPAC, but a testimony to its own failure to influence American policy. And you make that point throughout the book, that it no longer becomes whether it’s good or bad for Israel, but they have to constantly assert their hegemony within the American political system.
Ilan Pappé: Absolutely. And I think on the way, they lost some of their own people, especially those who were more bipartisan in their view, people who were more democratic, or came from the Democratic Party into AIPAC. You know, even Martin Indyk, who just passed away this year, eventually was more against the lobby, and we remember him being a pillar of the lobby.
Chris Hedges: He worked for AIPAC, didn’t he?
Ilan Pappé: He worked for them and then he became quite a strong critic of AIPAC later on. So they are even losing some of their own, you know, stars, if you want, of the past, because they are going too far as a mafia kind of organization.
Chris Hedges: So let’s talk about, just to close, where you think we’re headed. And I just want to be clear, I mean, you’ve been, you and I have both been targeted. But this is not a disinterested discussion. We have both been targeted by AIPAC. I think you were denied. Where was it you were…
Ilan Pappé: I was detained in Detroit for two and a half hours, yes.
Chris Hedges: Yeah. I was detained in Newark for about two and a half hours too, even though I had a valid American passport. But let’s talk about where you think we’re headed. I mean, I think you and this book and Mearsheimer’s book are very, very important for people who want to understand how the machinery works. Where are we going?
Ilan Pappé: I think in terms of the lobbying in America in particular, but also in Britain, in a way, I think the lobby is losing its efficiency and efficacy, although it still has the power, of course, to change policies. And I think its major problem in America, and I’m not an expert on American politics, but I think its major problem in America is that although it allied itself now totally with the Republican Party, the Republican Party itself has very strong elements of isolationists, isolationism that even led to a very different kind of more careful policy towards military aid to the Ukraine, not only to Israel. I think the main problem for AIPAC is that not only Israel is not considered anymore a moral asset to a young American generation. I think the most cynical parts of the United States may not think about it anymore as a strategic asset or economic asset, given the way Israel is imploding from within, its inability to deal with its own kind of right wing, the emergence of strong right wing elements that are usurping the government and the state, and therefore, I think we’re heading into a very volatile chapter in history of modern Israel and Palestine, where Israel is going to be a very fierce, cruel, brutal force, whose victims would be mainly Palestinians, but not only Palestinians, and it would be very difficult for American administration to consider it as a reliable ally or an easy ally to deal with, although they will be still committed because of their own interests in the area. But I think because of that, the lobby would find it far more difficult to find allies beyond Christian-Zionists, you know, the most basic base of Trump.
They’re losing the Jewish community. They’re definitely losing the young Jewish community. So in the long run, I do think that lobbying for Israel and Zionism, 10 or 15 years from now, the way Israel is developing, will be a far more difficult job to do, even in an America that may not go the progressive, democratic way, even if it, for a while, will go towards the direction of Trump or the Republicans and so on. It’s not an asset anymore for the cynical Americans, for the more conscientious American. I think that we are witnessing the last chapter in the history of that lobby. But I’m a historian, when I say last chapter, unfortunately it means few years, not one year or two.
Chris Hedges: And how do you see the genocide playing out? I don’t have an answer to that question, and you may not either. How do you see it? You know, what is the denouement? What are we 10-11 months now?
Ilan Pappé: Yeah, well, I’m afraid to say that the next 10-11 months are much of the same, in the sense that Israel has taken half of its army out of the Gaza Strip, and it’s now allowing a kind of an attrition war between itself and what remains of the military force of the Hamas. I don’t think they have a strategy beyond that, because they are not willing to go along with the idea, at least Netanyahu is not willing, to go along with the idea of replacing Hamas with another Palestinian government or an Arab-Palestinian government. And anyway, I don’t see the potential partners for this anyway. It’s a [inaudible] less intensified one than we have seen. But it’s incremental, it continues, and I think in the end, and I don’t know if it’s a year or two or three years from now, it would be something that important regional and international actors would not tolerate. They’re still tolerating it, but will not tolerate it now. Not tolerating the genocide could be a regional war with Iran and Lebanon and maybe other factors. Not tolerating could be something we’re hearing now from the Labour government, maybe, you know, from the back benches and so on. And we should pay attention to this, of even people in the global states, in the Global North thinking that Israel needs to be treated differently. We definitely already heard it from the ICJ and the ICC.
I really believe that Israel as it stands now doesn’t stand a chance of surviving in the long run as a Jewish state. But again, I’m warning that this, before that would happen, before there is a collapse or disintegration, there is a very dangerous period of that state trying to do all it can without any inhibitions, to maintain its power, its survival, and I’m very worried for the short run, including a continuation of the genocide, and not just in Gaza, also in the West Bank. But I really think that if I were a young Palestinian, I would hopefully believe that I’m young enough, hopefully, to see something else in the more distant future. And I really believe in it, not just, you know, it’s not wishful thinking. It’s not a word of an activist, really someone who follows the history of Israel and Zionism. I’m 100% convinced we are at the midst of the last chapter in this Zionist project in Palestine. And last chapters are violent, they are decolonization kind of chapters. I’m worried and at the same time I’m more hopeful for the long distance.
Chris Hedges: Great. That was historian Ilan Pappe on his book, “Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic.” It’s a tremendous work, I devoured it whole. I want to thank the production team Diego [Ramos], Max [Jones], Sophia [Menemenlis], Thomas [Hedges] and Shawn [Caple]. You can find me at ChrisHedges.Substack.com.
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there is no “Israel Lobby”, you frick’en morons:
‘Murka is run by a top-down Zionist Occupation Government that needs no outside “influence” 2B 100% in the can for Izrahell and Jews 100% of the time. And
by that ZOG has been reduced to a borderless province in a white-genociding Zionist Globohomo Imperium.
If you can’t figure out the truth of the Holohoax, there is no point in listening to anything else.
Hedges is a retard.
He goes on and on about how evil the jews are while, in the same breath, saying the objections that Christians and those on the right have to the satanic jews are antisemitism.
F**k him.
clutch your pearls chris, those poor ashkenazi anarchists/commies. always victims of european white supremacy.
This is a strange article. Accurate info about Jewish control of US politics, but then you have the assumption that the Holohoax was something real, along with the implied idea that China and Russia are influencing our internal political affairs in important ways–just less than Israel.
1) No one who has looked at the facts accepts that the H-word was even an historical event.
2) The Russian connection was simply made up by the FBI.
3) And other than people like Mark Steyn, who think that China has bought and paid for Congress (and I don’t even think he believes that, but is instead gaslighting his less than savvy listeners), plus a few Zerohedge types who like to call Biden ‘Xiden’, China has less than no influence directing the US political scene.
If the video is available on JuTube it can’t be to critical of the “Ju Mob”!
correct
No such thing.
There is no… “anti-criminal-ism”
There is no… “anti-thief-ism”
There is no… “anti-occupier-ism”
There is no… “anti-liar-ism”
There is no… “anti-hypocrite-ism”
There is no… “anti-genocider-ism”
Just Jews doing all bad things… and good people hating what they do.
The power of the Israeli lobby cannot fail as long as we have a Congress that can be bought.
Exactly
Correct
“The power of the Israeli lobby cannot fail as long as we have a Congress that can be bought.”
Amen to that!
The corruption in the U.S.A is endemic. We are way beyond any hope or any redemption.
Like Israel we will destroy ourselves through our contempt and arrogance.
Who said it, Abe Foxman or Chris Hedges …
Tl;Dr
Hedges has been projecting his disdain for Israel; but he seems to underestimate the Greater Israel Collective.
Influences diminished; yet coming out if the Woodwork into the Forefront in Murican Geopolitical and Economical Oligarchies.
New Enemies made.
Disdained by Many.
Kept at Arm’s Length by Others.
Yet, supported by fevered Christian Zealots.
That’s all we can say for now.
Many seem to forget that the Jewish-Diaspora have been around welding Economic Influences for Centuries – including the alleged Control of the Khazar-Ashkenazi Kingdom/Empire/Khagnate with Jewish-Named Monarchy until they were Destroyed by Old Russia.
They populate the Masonic-Zionist Hegemony’s Hegemon-Plutarchy. They’re going to be around for Centuries to come. Add to that, they being able to reside in prosperous Nations-States, re-establishing their “State of Israel” – allowed them (mostly their UltraOrthodox) to reproduce at astounding Rates – where they may Hextuple~Nonuple their Headcount by the turn of this 21stCE.
Don’t see Hedges being Productive to Society in General these Days.
Tall Fences make for Good Neighbors, Tall Borders and Immigration/Foreign Relations Policies make for “Good Neighbor” Nation-States…
One wonders why is Ilan Pappé insisted that it is an “Israeli Lobby” not a Jewish Lobby? It is misleading and designed to shield Jews from the crimes they are committing on daily basis. It is like saying: “it is Israel, not the Jews”. The Jewish Lobby consisted of 100% Jews, and maybe a few goyim workers. While it advocates for Israel’s terror and Genocide in Palestine by Jews , it also engages in an array of pro-Jews propaganda and services on behalf of Jews in the U.S. Unlike many lobbies in the U.S, the Jewish Lobby advocates for Israel and Jews alike by forcing the U.S. regime to enact favorable policies and laws to advance the interests of both Israel and Jews. Please call it a Jewish Lobby, not an “Israeli Lobby”.
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Reporter: We don’t have America with us.
Netanyahu: USA is not a unified block. We have the Senate, the Congress and a record strong Jewish lobby on our side. We have strong influence over the general support of America. America won’t force us into anything.
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Might like to consider Lloyd George was totally unscrupulous and had proposed a deal to Ottomans to keep their empire if they switched sides. A deal had been brokered with Hussein Sherif of Hejaz to grant an Arab kingdom embracing Syria extended to Egypt as reward for Arab Revolt
Then there was Sykes-Picot so secret that only Lenin had a copy to make public – which had France laying claim to Syria so Hussein got screwed which frustrated Lawrence – and Hussein got Iraq and Transjordan but Britain kept the coast for its refinery in Haifa from Kirkuk oilfields
Look on Google at map of region 1918 – none of those modern statelets exist and the territories are incoherent
Lloyd George was corrupt and involved in Marconi Scandal with Isaacs family – one of whom was Attorney-General
The total corruption of David Lloyd George is a key factor snd his wheeler-dealer treachery made him a good mark for Chaim Weizmann especially as Lloyd George had been Minister of Munitions in the Shell Crisis of 1916
That’s interesting from the angle that Israel was planned as a dumping ground for poor Jews from the Pale of Settlement. The Jewish community of Britain had the pre WW1 example of a flood of poor Jews having already entered Vienna , Austria-Hungary causing social instability and major problems. Ref. the excellent books, “Hitler’s Vienna: A Dictator’s Apprenticeship” by Brigitte Hamann, and “Esau’s Tears: Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews” by Albert Lindemann. The evidence that Western Jews wanted to avoid the same story in the Anglo world where they were secure and well integrated into the world’s premier elites.
Also the Jewish mafia at work.
Hedges:
Balfour Declaration, dated 1917, not “middle of World War II.”
“conspiracy theories” — “complete fantasy”
Not fantasy at all, Chris.
Just because you have read different books or versions of the narrative does not mean that it is a “fantasy” that zionists worked both sides — Americans and British — to involve USA in World War ONE (and WWII).
Chaim Weizmann’s autobiography and also Leonard Stein’s ‘biography’ of the Balfour Declaration record forthrightly that Weizmann worked diligently and strategically to involve US in war in exchange for “a homeland for Jews in Palestine.”
Weizmann collaborated and communicated closely with Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter, who in turn influenced Wilson (and later FDR), in addition to back-channel direct communication with Lloyd George as with Churchill.
Yep. The Jewish establishment is on the way down. In its glory days the questions addressed in this article would never ever under any circumstances be published anywhere outside of internal documents of some Jewish organizations.
In a related story:
https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/feature/2023/12/13/wfp-aid-food-cuts-mean-people-hunger-crisis-around-world
Ever hear about this? Much of the world is starving as the West gets poorer and doesn’t export as much food as once it did. Major news, I hadn’t expected this until next year. Major news that has been suppressed. That suppression is a demonstration of real power.
Same with RFK, Jr’s revelations about the state of US children’s health ( https://pjmedia.com/chris-queen/2024/08/23/transcript-rfk-jrs-epic-speech-n4931936 . Suppression of that shows power, apparently food industry power.
“How do you tell that an item has been hidden?”
“You look at the surrounding items for the disturbances that the hidden item would cause.”
For example, if looking for troop movements, you don’t look for the troops. You look for the logistics tail needed to support the troops. In WW I, major offensives were obvious from the increased stockpile of artillery shells needed for preliminary shelling. That was done using biplanes, and the aerial combat was an attempt to block such scouting.
Similarly, the existence of the DC Swamp was demonstrated by the public revelation of its blocking the Trump Administration. It is possible that the DC Swamp, now visible, has lost its legitimacy and will be effectively dismantled by the financial and US Imperial failures of the next few years. These failures will make the Swamp not only impossible to fund but a visible target for defunding.
Same with the Jewish establishment, complex and self-contradictory though it may be. Minerva’s owl flies at dusk, and https://www.unz.com/article/the-rise-and-coming-demise-of-the-israel-lobby-w-ilan-pappe/ demonstrates that Minerva’s owl is on the wing.
Anything that can be seen can be destroyed by the group that sees it. Much of contemporary power lies in obscuring vision.
Baldo ansd Frogman agree
Yikes
The “Jewish” Lobby insists on stuffing White House cabinets with Jews. The top career official have to be Jews.
Those are facts not antisemitism.
I thought this might be an interesting article, but it turned out to be dishonest, and, frankly, stupid. It’s just more of the same old taking of sides in the intra-family, international Jewish power struggle, while denying Jewish power, and blaming true opposition on Whites who are trying not to be steamrolled, dispossessed, and destroyed by Jewish power as the bad guys. This is typical, and completely dishonest. Hedges is part of the problem.
You’re such a clever boy.
Hedges always starts out with the same schtick. His plaintive mantra that he and those who believe what he believes and says aren’t anti-semites. Then, as if he is similarly compelled to demonstrate every time that he’s completely lacking in self-awareness, Hedges reminds that he discovered the true anti-semite about a decade ago:
It’s kinda funny when you think about it. Hedge’s blames Trump for everything before querying Pappé about the history.
A lot of us have waited to avenge the death and destruction of our hundreds of millions over the centuries, so, let the Muzzies get all riled up and go to war. It’s either us or them, for there is no room for both. Are you with us or against, prissy boy?
Chris Hedges scolds Israel for accusing its critics of “anti-semitism.” He then tells us that the REAL anti- semites are on the “Christian right,” the very group most slavish in its support of Israel’s sadistic murder spree most prominently John MacArthur who told Ben Shapiro he (speaking for God) thinks the people of Gaza need to be be “wiped out.” These are the same “anti-semites” who formed the core of domestic support for the Afghanistan and Iraqi fiascos that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. They were dutifully following the bidding of the pro-Israel think tanks who know they can consistently rely on the knee jerk support of all these “anti- semites.” No, Chris, the problem is not sniffing out who the “real anti-semites” are. The problem is that Israel is perpetrating an atrocity, full stop.
Chris Hedges, who received his Pulitzer for a fake story about Iraq training terrorists to fly planes into buildings (he actually believed the CIA lie!), ALWAYS attacks the fundamentalist evangelical Christians as the Power behind Israel, non-Jewish Zionists. And while that is true for many preachers like himself, and even the most deranged, older members of the Congregations, the vast majority of such church-goers no longer want to send their children to fight for Israel and bring about the Rapture. They see the End Times as a theoretical event well in the future, and only want their families to live prosperous healthy lives. (Good luck with that in today’s America).
Of course, like Hedges and other nut-job preachers, the big American Zionists are not the True Believers, Tik Tok influencers are more powerful, The Big Zionists are the bought-and-sold Politicians at every level of US government. Money is the Sole Major Motivator in America (you can do good and bad with money; yes the “Love of Money is the Root of All Evil”). W Bush was an extremist Zionist (though also a Saudi “brother”), but hardly religious (Cheney was the one in charge anyway). And less Hedges forget, it’s not just Bowman and Bush who are crushed by AIPAC. Any politician who refuses to put Israel above the US will be eliminated, as Cynthia McKinney proved. We have no choices. THE MAJOR SUPPORTER of the Palestinian ethnic cleansing/ genocide is Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden; it could only happen on Biden’s watch. The reason is simple. If Donald Trump or RFK Jr (also big Zionists) were in charge, the Democrats would be OUTRAGED at the treatment of Palestinians, it would be, as it is, reprehensible. Impeachment and legal charges would follow. The protesting students for Palestine would be heroes! But there is a double standard for Genocide Joe, he can enable with taxpayer money the slaughter, maiming and displacement of Palestinians (which will be continued as Kamala made clear) with impunity (almost all of our Congress Critters are dependent on AIPAC to win their next election; only the specter of Orange Man Bad “who will weaponize our DOJ” and “interfere with American Democracy!” is as important, not more important, as their next Election and that AIPAC money).
As Hedges ages he seems ever more naive and simple-minded. To him as a preacher, the solution is that everyone agree with HIS views and act accordingly. That is largely why America is covered with churches, generally mostly empty. Religion is a private, individualist thing to most Americans, even evangelicals. Church life is for socializing and moral indoctrination of children, a heritage thing. Zionism in the US comes from the Powerful, the ones at the TOP. At the moment, Democrats are the Powerful, the Establishment. As we saw Trump’s first term, DC and NYC movers and shakers, and State Media, will get their wars and support for Israel, and will stone wall and undercut Trump again if re-elected, making him ineffectual. Which is probably a good thing for all incumbent politicians, who as Mark Twain noted should be changed often like diapers for the same reason.
As I opined before, one of the OTHER major reasons was the UK Goy created Israel so ALL Jews would go there and not come to the UK. Its like having troublesome kids and shit relatives ! You rent a place for them and send them packing hoping to rarely and in some cases never see them again.
The Limeys thought they would be more subtle than Adolph not knowing they were dealing with cockroaches with the intellect of serpents.The ignorant peasants under the small hats bought, intimidated and outsmarted the English Upper Class so obsessed with their self imposed and congratulatory superiority. They were blinded by their own self opinionated bull.
Side note : Remember, that for all the verbal vomit barfed up today, when Jews fled Germany during the Adolph years, many countries did not want them and sent them back !
However, Jews recognized that Ish Reel, a shitty sliver of a little country surrounded by billions of Moslems could never sustain a tribe greedy for more and more money. Many elected to stay in the West BUT hedge with dual passports. If they could live comfortable in the promised land then cool but if the promised land got hot they would immediately fuck off, as we are seeing right now.
Having lived in the Third World, there are men who used to herd cows, live in a mud and cow shit kraal, draw water from an open sewer and shit behind a bush. Once they acquire power and a luxury lifestyle they will not give it up like that. They will use any means including murder to never go back to the life they used to have.
And what are we seeing right now in the Promised Land ?
The Rise and Coming Demise of the Israel Lobby w/ Ilan Pappé ?? SURE ! This is delusional and I posit propaganda for the uselessly hopeful. The authors of this article need to change their crack dealers.
Santa Claus landing on the roof with his Rudolph and the reindeer and coming down the chimney or through the key hole ! Now THAT is much more believable !
I was just reading his wikipedia entry. He worked for the NY Times for 15 years and quit over his criticism of the Iraq invasion. He had a show on RT but got canned when they were cancelled after the Ukraine war started. Says he got more flack from the NYT for criticizing the Iraq war than he got from RT for criticizing the Ukraine war. He’s a Presbyterian minister but likes criticizing the “Christian right” so I guess he considers himself Christian Left. He helped form an LGBT student group at Colgate but says he’s heterosexual. Here’s his wife’s webpage:
https://www.eunicewong.com/about
She says she “taught poetry in a men’s super-max prison, and is on the Advisory Council of The Vegan Museum.” Looks like she’s into bondage or something.
Maybe he’s learning how to take baby steps on the Jewish Question. After starting with naming the Jew and questioning jewish power, it’s just a few more steps to questioning the holocaust and then finally admitting it would have been better if it really had happened since the jews did 9/11.
Or maybe he’s just a typical liberal who is finally waking up to the jewish problem because of the Gaza genocide but hasn’t figured out he’s next on the list for genocide along with all the other Amaleks.
Hedges is not a retard but an anti-Christian and antisemitic Mohammedan Lobby member whose dream is to see the completion of Mohammedan expansion in the Middle East with the fall of Jerusalem into the hands of the Mohammedan barbarians. ( His slogan : Abandon the Jewish People, Abandon the Christians ! Support Hamas, Support Mohammedan Jihad !!!!!)
For Hedges it is totally unacceptable to tolerate the Jewish State in the Holy Land and even some Christian presence in Lebanon.
For the nice guy — you refer to him as retard — the Mohammedan invasion of places like Christian Egypt and Constantinople is acceptable while the return of the Jewish people to their ancestral Homeland is a crime against Mohammedan expansionism.
Remember : Mecca and Medina for Mohammedans, Jerusalem for Christians and the Jewish People. That is fair, isn’t it.
Remember also this :
Video Link
August 14, 2024 Video: “Wiping Gaza Off The Map”: Big Money Agenda.
Confiscating Palestine’s Maritime Natural Gas Reserves The ultimate objective is not only to exclude Palestinians from their homeland, it consists in confiscating the multi-billion dollar Gaza offshore Natural Gas reserves, namely those pertaining to the BG (BG Group) in 1999, as well the Levant discoveries of 2013.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-gas-oil-and-trouble-in-the-levant/5362955
The Americans and the British had their own way of taking important decisions in world affairs. Chaim Weizmann was a very intelligent man but not a magician. You can not accuse the gentleman of taking you to war.
Chris Hedge’s has not budged from his position on the right I see. It is intellectually weak to not move in the face of facts. Strong men change their positions when shown the error of their ways.
The right “hate” groups he is villifying are attempting a return to the moral order. They are to be encouraged, but also admonished to carefully isolate the normie dupe jews.
I explain the red bucket vs blue bucket below at link. You can broadly categorize humans, and put them into buckets. This broad categorization is a bell curve, 20-60-20. The top creditor Jews are the worst offenders in all of humanity, and they are deep into the blue bucket (the worst 20%):
Jewish civilization went off track, when the Jubilee was overturned by Hillel, who did not have the authority. This then created a permanent creditor over debtor civilization, where the creditor had the penumbra of religious authority. The Jewish religious authorities are in sin.
Forgive them their debts as we forgive the debtors is in the red bucket, and the Pharisee were against the Lord’s prayer.
https://www.unz.com/article/the-litvinov-school/#comment-6722739
Again, virtually all of the “rightist” hate groups, especially Nazi Germany, were attempting to right their political economy, and making a stab at a return to the logos. This attempt at the moral order includes the nationalist catholic movement, which remembers Sicut Judaeis Non.
As a side bar, virtually all of the nationalist movements are a good thing, and a way for people to band together and protect themselves against the “rootless cosmopolitans,” people whom Hitler called the international, or international financier,
Any view of the rightist “hate” groups, needs to be accompanied by a reality, that there is a large kernel of truth that is driving them. These so called “evil” people have the moral order coded onto their soul, and are objecting to their debt slavery status.. They are objecting to degeneracy pushed by the “blue bucket” people. The blue bucket people are about 20% of every population, but what makes Jews pernicious is their appeal to these types, and Jewish appeal is magnified by money power. The appeal is the cloak of Talmudism, which elevates degeneracy to god status. The money power of the Jew is gained at usury – a sin. Debt and usury was a sin in original Christianity, since removed with the advent of Judeo-Christianity.
In other words, the “hateful right” is adhering much closer to the moral order, and their “hatred” of jews, and jew-like behavior is instinctive and not irrational. Hedges cannot move to this understanding, as he is weak minded.
The “hateful right” only needs one instruction: The top creditor Jews (the deformed types that rule), are abusing bottom jews. The 60% of normie bottom jews are like the sheep in all populations, and jew sheeple will turn and bleet as one, providing a protective shield for predatory creditor jews.
Catholic teaching of Sicut Judaeis Non, is a doctrine of the early church that stated no one had the right to harm the Jew, but at the same time, the Jews were — like Christians and Jews living under Islam — required to accept second class status and refrain from undermining the Christian cultures in which they lived.
Another way to look at the 20-60-20 divide, is sheep dog/sheeple/wolf in sheeps’ clothing.
The 20% who are sheep dogs, are guardians to the sheeple. The sheep dogs will go after the wolf (predatory jews). Jews hate sheep dogs.
A very large percentage of hateful anti-semitic rightists are sheep dog guardian types, who have the moral order coded on their soul. They are not “soulless” goyim animals, as the wolf makes pretend.
This article has a leftist stance but i can handle that.
First lets remember that Britain sided with the Ottomans and Jews
over Orthodox Russia several times! This is still when the Czars in Russia and the British Empire were around. Thats when Anglo Freemasonry reigned strong. Constantinople could have been Christian Orthodox after the Russians helped remove the Ottomans from Europe. The Protestant British also sided with Muslims and Jews against Catholics in continental Europe.
We should also remember that Liberalism and Socialism had their imperialist movements.
So by the late 1800s, and early 1900s British Empire was allied with Zionism and Jewry.
In fact the British and Americans buckled and preferred to side with Jewish Bnai Brith and lobbies to get rid of the Czar because of “pogroms”.
So the British right Liberal-Conservatives were to the left of Czarist movements by then.
Britain did actually little to help the Czar and it was for show. More important was resource plunder, dividing land, and causing chaos. And that still ignores the Fabians, Labor, Trotskyists who had more sympathy for the newer left Mensheviks and Bolsheviks.
The Protestants who favor Israel tended to be Dissenters, Low-church, radicals, Puritans. Today its their descendants. They support Israel more than high church Anglicans or Catholics or Orthodox Christians.
This is why the movement is stronger in America compare to Britain or Europe.
If it was up to me all support for Jews would stop.
Every Jew and part Jew deported away from Europe and America (regardless of their allegiance or class).
Arab Zionists would want Jews to return to Europe. Not happening.
The semites can live with each other.
Hedges is a controlled opposition agent who fantasizes about nothing more than sucking Jew cock.
It’s never the Jews it’s the Israeli’s and the Zionist. Most Jews are good peaceful people that’s the message while we know they are not.
The British and Americans (more so their leadership) should be ashamed what their support for Jews and Zionism has done
to Christianity. Their goal of moving Jews to Israel has also been mildly succesful at best and maybe even a failure.
The Jews have intermarried into the upper castes “Anglo-Jews”.
Most Jews still leech of the various countries they live in and refuse to leave.
Most Jews still live outside Israel.
Christianity is in ruins, but at least the retarded Evangelicals are happy.
Evangelicals claim blessed be those who bless Israel.
America has turned into a godless nation in the name since Israels creation.
Overall though it is my belief that the left overexaggerates Christian restorationism/Zionist influence in todays times.
Why did the Anglos/British/Americans (and Christianity) even side with Jewish money power. Just because the Bible says so? Big mistake.
“Yep. The Jewish establishment is on the way down.”
No kidding. And your verdict is based on the fact that this is discussed in UR?!
“In its glory days the questions addressed in this article would never ever under any circumstances be published anywhere outside of internal documents of some Jewish organizations.”
The American wars all for Israel have turned many great European cities into criminal hell holes as they caused unseen waves of mass migration into Europa. Just two days ago 3 people were murdered and many others wounded in an attack by Syrian refugees in the German city of Sollingen. Without Israel these Syrians wouldn’t be in Europa. The Jews are going to destroy Europa first then America is next.
Their goal is clear. They want to radicalize white Europeans against the religion of Islam.
The goal is mutual destruction so they can rule over what’s left.
Chris Hedges is obviously a retard, but your statement that he is an “antisemitic Mohammedan Lobby member ” is not the stupidest thing you posted, merely a contender for the title.
“A lot of us have waited to avenge the death and destruction of our hundreds of millions over the centuries…”
Hundreds of millions, Hasbara troll? Last I checked you were only bewailing “6 million.”
,”…so, let the Muzzies get all riled up and go to war. It’s either us or them, for there is no room for both.”
“Us”?!?! You are “them” not “us.”
A couple of Palestinian acquaintances of mine mentioned to me some while ago well before the Gaza invasion started something I found surprising. They said, “We are not against the Israelies living here. They can live here, and we are not concerned. We are more concerned about the other Arabs. The only thing we ask of the Israelies is that they quit behaving like Arabs.” Well, that threw me.
I think of the time after World War II when the Allied nations had a program in place to starve out what was left of Germany, when a greater threat than Germany was realized in the form of the communist Soviet Union; that Germany could be an ally serving as a bulkward against the Soviet threat, and thus the Marshall plan came to be.
In a similar sense, I perceive the Israelies passing up an opportunity. Instead of destroying so much land and people, the real possibility exists that they find an ally in the Palastinian folk to make a greater nation together. Right now all the Israelies are doing with all their spoliation is destroying Israel itself.
Whether Israel or the ridiculously-named “Israel Lobby” survive or not is besides the point: both could come crashing down tomorrow and still the US and the “West” would continue to be nothing but satraps within the Universal Empire of the Jews. It is thus imperative to fully realize the following: the Jews are the Problem (JATP). What we have on our hands is something much worse than either Israel or the Lobby: the mere presence of Jews anywhere means chaos and destruction for the world.
The Jew is a corrosive force, an acid poured on the very pillars of society: so, either get rid of the Jew or the mere presence of this constant corrosion will gnaw out from the inside each and every society the jew inhabits. The world’s greatest thinkers have come to this conclusion. Here is Schopenhauer’s take on “dual loyalty”, mentioned in the article:
If Schopenhauer’s advice had been heeded, we wouldn’t have as much of a problem as we have today, with the Jew using the US as a big stick and causing havoc all over the world. But Schopenhauer didn’t go far enough, for even if the Jew is kept out of the offices of the State, the Jew can and will cause irreparable damage in any other area he enters, as seen in the media, academia, culture and many others. The Jew is a problem in ALL areas, not just in the running of the State.
But, in essence, what kind of problem is the Jew? Another deep thinker proposed the following: the Jew is a metaphysical problem. Here is a quote from Heidegger:
What the hell is Heidegger saying, here? Well, I interpret it to mean that the Jew — “world Judaism” — is much more than a mere destroyer of the world, although he is certainly that. But even more, to Heidegger, the Jew is a destroyer of the link between all beings — us — and Being Itself. And this destruction the Jew has been executing purposefully and methodically throughout the ages: the Jew will never stop and will work relentlessly until he rips out the roots “of all beings from Being”, that is, until all of us non-Jews are cut off from the foundational reality of existence itself.
This is one of the most profound criticisms of the Jew I have read. And it has some people worried, questioning the totality of Heidegger’s philosophy because of his “anti-semitism”. Here is a quote from the preface of the book Heidegger & the Myth of a Jewish World Conspiracy, by Peter Trawny:
Well, I think this type of thinking has a great future! The only type of thinking that will have any future is the one that acknowledges the destructive force of the Jew, or of “world Judaism”, or however you want to name it. Eventually, the truth will come out. And all other types of thinking — like that of Hedges and Pappé — will be relegated to the dustbin of history.
You truly nailed it, Holy Catholic Orthodox!
He is only one of the majority in Congress and Senate who take money from AIPAC.
Michael McCaul Representative (R – TX)Homeland Security Foreign Affairs, Chairman FIRST ELECTION2004
NEXT ELECTION 2024 TOP INDUSTRY 2023 – 2024Pro-Israel$452,226
TOP CONTRIBUTOR 2023 – 2024 American Israel Public Affairs Cmte$124,850.
AIPAC contributions to his campaign in 2024 rose by 1,423% in comparison to 2022. People who accept money from AIPAC kill American democracy and should be tried as traitors. The USA needs to stop all aid to Israel . $3.8B/year given by American taxpayers to Israel helps Israel to destroy our democratic election.
Understandable. Horseshit certainly throws or drops.
Do Yid horseshit Yid?
Would Yid make up horseshit for decent folk?
5ds
I must respectfully disagree that it is the jew-inspired wars that have spurred uncontrolled immigration.
The jew-imposed wars did not cause the migration into western countries.
It’s all about jewish political and social power and control.
The “plan” was long in the making for jews to use their resources to flood every western country with immigrants from the middle east and central and south America.
Here in the USA, it started with the “Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965”. The social service agencies, primarily the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society are responsible for the influx of illegal immigration to western countries. In the Americas, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society is responsible for getting South Americans across the Darien Gap, the dividing line between the North and South American continents.
The primary jewish purpose for flooding western countries with non-assimable immigrants is to dilute White western political and social power.
You see, jews FEAR the gentile White man, who is “in the way” of total jewish domination.
When “push comes to shove” the gentile White man WILL prevail.
THAT is what jews fear.
Best regards,
You have to understand my words in the sense of ” if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck …..”. Hedges’ anti-Israel lobby stance betrays his antisemitic Mohammedan lobby character. Now, I am not claiming that there is such thing as ” Antisemitic Mohammedan Lobby ” in Washington but if there were one it would sound like Hedges with his ” abandon Israel ” message.
There aren’t enough “agree” buttons to give your excellent comment an “up” response. Thank you,
Jews ARE destroyers.
EVERY LIVING THING that belongs to gentiles must be destroyed…gentile men, women, pregnant women, children, toddlers, infants, livestock, other animals, all forms of plant life and every blade of grass must be destroyed.
Judaism is a genocidal belief system that must be destroyed so that real humanity can survive.
Jews are demons in human form…
After the Large Hadron Collider high energy experiments at CERN in 2020 were performed, the world seemed to “turn upside down”. This is pure speculation on my part, but I believe that a portal into the netherworld was opened up where demons were allowed to escape into our realm.
“Anything that can be seen can be destroyed by the group that sees it. Much of contemporary power lies in obscuring vision.”
The Problem Is Not The United States Having The Wrong President, The Problem Is The United States Empires Existence by Ms Caitlin Johnstone!
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/08/25/the-problem-isnt-the-us-having-the-wrong-president-the-problem-is-the-us-empires-existence/
Hopefully the young unbrainwashed – underemployed youth of the U.S.A. will adopt the stance that the sooner we stop kissing Israel’s ass the better.
Making no “accusations,” merely entering ‘evidence’ into the docket.
Leonard Stein identified himself as Weizmann’s assistant or companion in his lengthy (700 pages) record of Weizmann’s deliberate activities in inserting himself into influential echelons of British decision-making. Weizmann’s purpose, Stein makes clear, was furtherance of Weizmann’s zionist commitment.
Based on reading Weizmann’s autobiography, it’s possible to conclude that Weizmann was as unpleasant a character as he was networked and manipulative, his network linking Louis Brandeis (simultaneously US Supreme Court justice; confidant to Woodrow Wilson and later FDR) to his British contacts; Felix Frankfurter (who carried on back-channel communications with Lloyd George and with Winston Churchill); Henry Morgenthau Sr. & Jr.; and Mark Sykes. Rothschilds were at the hub of the network.
Chapter 17, “Opera Bouffe Intermezzo” of Weizmann’s autobiography, Trial and Error –
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.75059
demonstrates Weizmann’s callousness and his involvement in prolonging WWI, which, of course, resulted in the deaths of thousands more of American AND British war-fighters.
Briefly, in 1916 Woodrow Wilson secretly delegated Henry Morgenthau, Sr, former ambassador to Turkey, to attempt a “separate peace” with Turkey. Brandeis and Frankfurter learned of the plan; Brandeis messaged and Frankfurter traveled to meet Weizmann to urge Weizmann to derail Morgenthau’s mission, lest “the negotiations leav[e] the Jews, the Arabs and the .. Armenians in the lurch.” (p. 212)
Weizmann was successful.
After describing how he and his party subsequently traveled in great luxury to Spain while Morgenthau repaired to Biaritz, Weizmann mentions that, some time later, “Mrs. Morgenthau turned her back to him” at a party at Samuel Untermyer’s Greystone,” and concludes the Opera Bouffe chapter with an exclamation point:
opera bouffe: a comic opera, from French–>Italian, buffa, meaning jest.
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Trying to keep your family fed, and saying what you truly believe are in conflict constantly for most people. Anyway, I see where the major problem lies:
There is tremendous irony and paradox in today’s world, which creates complications and contradiction in the way and methods used to construct an individual’s reading of morality, and essential nature of the Actual.
1). It is the “Left”, aka Progressives that are humanly engaged in protest and revulsion at the mass murder of Palestinian innocents. A war of total eradication, in the open for everyone to see. There are no greater atrocities except deliberate torture and dismemberment. On the “Right”, “Conservatives” and Traditionalists, there is no sympathy or empathy for the murdered victims in plain sight. Only the motives of fear of their masters, International Jewry, desperation to keep their positions in government employment, and avoiding being ostracized professionally, personally, and likely familially. This fear, the complete abandonment and vacating of all values of humanity, grace, morality, and self-respect is a manual override for universal tenets of moral codes and religious values. The word that describes this mass of humanity that cannot even risk a poker chip or likelihood of opprobrium and infamy is….COWARDICE. Even lower order mammals will risk their safety and life to assist their species-and sometimes cross species-when “the chips are down”. I had a black female cat that placed herself between me and an out of control mutt who was agitated and showing high aggression towards me, blocked only by a mosquito fence of my pool area. She was ready and willing to attempt engagement to protect her family and fulfill her destiny. She did not move or flinch. She did not even hiss or raise her back. She was peerlessly intelligent-almost human; and totally devoted.
I note here the recent elections of former special forces personnel to Congress. Elite warriors, several wounded. Since arriving in Congress, they have been completely out of sight, silent and invisible. This from a profession that values (so said) honor, valor, and core values.
2). The demonstrators in the West against atrocities and mass murder undermine and sabotage their own advocacy. Instead of presenting their case in a normal, conversant and non-violent, non-infantile fashion, they have chosen tactics that are the mirror of Antifa and BLM, destroying property, graffiti, violence against police, blocking commerce and travel of the innocent public. This nullifies a solid, supportive connection with the general public, who put their preferences to the political authority.
This is the same self sabotage of the hijacking era of various Palestinian and Arab Muslim associations. Even today, terrorism-it is thought by these people-will yield a change in public attitudes and broad policy directional change.
In continuance of the strange and unnatural, there are no voices contra the methods and excesses used from the “Left” that advocates retirement of constant wars, butchery of civilians worldwide, etc. Many members in this cause are establishment, public figures of reputations and integrity. All in all, this disruptive, illegal, petulant behavior lends itself to the suspicion and notion, that the Kosher Nosetra International, Inc. has implanted agents to push and ignite such off putting extremism, retroactive memories of the 1960s Sturm Und Drang.
It is apparent that it is necessary to pick out the good pieces many times from a composite of mixed value and validity. Thus there are-to me-many unusable, objectionable, stupid, and nonsensical components of “Leftist” positions and policy. But as in most aspects of Reality, there are carve outs and useful components. It is neither necessary or desirable to choose “all or nothing” in one set of related ideology.
3). Many commenters have posted disparaging-all or nothing-evaluations and opinions -regarding Hindoos in general, and specifically those imported into America, enthusiastically by business, industry and government.
The psycho-sociopathology of Hindoos in professional fields is too high. They are imported, it seems to me due to the willingness to supplant native workers at a lower wage and benefits. Because of Microsoft in Seattle, whole neighborhoods have been transformed into Hindoo enclaves and “Little Indias”. As CEOs of major tech companies, they were hired at lower wage and benefits packages, but also to be able to take the heat and penalties for corporate malfeasance and illegality., That way the Founders of these tech giants have a layer of insulation. A big deflection is necessary in the field and practice of illegal government intelligence, legal, and spy organizations and the enlistment and criminal actions that violate Bill of Rights amendments.
4) In sheer numbers and size, nothing equals the cowardice and craven avoidance and abdication of honor as that of the Western Christian citizen. Composed of way too high a number of slimy, fishy, weak-willed, and craven sacks of despicable absence of self and public honesty and integrity.. A long list and condemnation of the inappropriate people, loss skill, low iniative, probably you, the reader of this comment.
The demise of the Israeli lobby is not coming, it will remain in control of the zionist ZUS regime as long as the zionist bankers privately owned FED and IRS exist , the zionists took control of the money creation with their central bank and graduated income tax in 1913 and the traitor and zionist puppet Wilson signed the legislation for both, and with that 2 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto were installed over America and put America under communist control.
Nathan Rothschild infamously said ; I care not what puppet is put on the throne of England, for the man who controls the money supply controls the British empire and I am that man. It is the same here in the ZUS, the Rothschilds are 1 of the 8 families that own and control the FED, we are under zionist, satanist, communist control.
Gimme a break, willya? Like killer whales fear seals.
I’m scratching my head seeking other hoaxes whose denial is criminalized.
Here is a video of our “local hasbara” ..
There is Jameson, tkk, Memejoho, etc etc etc
There is so much wrong, false and absurd in your comment that an overwhelming ennui discourages me from attempting to wading through those Augean stables.
“After the Large Hadron Collider high energy experiments at CERN in 2020 were performed, the world seemed to “turn upside down”. This is pure speculation on my part, but I believe that a portal into the netherworld was opened up where demons were allowed to escape into our realm.”
Your speculation is amusing but flawed since CERN’ s breach into the netherworld would have had to happen a lot earlier than 100 years ago to account for the “demons” ‘ documented presence waaay back.
You are only piling up. You should have quit when you were already behind.
re: “Hindoos,” but at a tangent: recently saw a graph comparing # of STEM graduates
. . . . . . STEM. . . . . . Tot Pop. . . . . . Proportion of Pop
USA . . . . 568,000. . . . 333,300,000. . . 0.0017
China . .. 4,700,000. . 1,412,000,000. . . 0.0033
India. . . 2,600,000. . 1,417,000,000. . . 0.0018
Russia. . 561,000. . . . . 144,200,000. . . 0.0039
Iran. . . . 335,000. . . . . 88,550,000. . . 0.0038
Proportionally, India is only marginally ahead of USA, which is LAST of these five.
Proportionally, Iran ranks second to Russia, both “sworn enemies” of (last-ranked) USA, with third enemy, China, nearly double the (proportional) numbers of STEM graduates USA invests in/trains.
So — the decision to import so many “Hindoo” STEM-techies seems to be political, not rational or qualitative.
Or maybe it’s just a matter of relieving over-reproduction pressures in a vast nation unable to accommodate its enormous population.
But China seems able to handle similar population —
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re: your closing challenge: Shall we expect the next Aaron Bushnell to bear the name Poupon Marx?
Thanks for sharing, never knew that.
Exactly right Haxo. The yids need to be purged out ruthlessly to restore a semblance of common sense and order in the West. Then their ill-gotten criminal financial gains need to be expropriated along with some of these negroes like that primitive running our War Department and sent back to the US Treasury and then checks should be written for every American whose ancestors have been here for at least 110 years or more. Nothing for these parasitic 3rd world scum who already get more then they should ever receive or deserve. Then we should deport almost all of these 3rd worlders and most of the jews and negroes back to their central-south american, asian and african lands. This can be done if their is the will to do it. They will live with their own kind after their kind and we will live with our own kind after our kind.
The jews and Catholic organizations are also aiding and abetting this alien outlander invasion. Two peas in the same pod.
One should tell the genocidal coward Biden, what are the US forces doing in Israel. US spends billions of dollars, so the fucking genocidal Israel ‘can defend itself’ when is bombing many regional states in the region. The events show that ISRAEL CANNOT ‘defend’ itself and the fucking genocidal Biden and the terrorist state of united states must send so many bombs, WMD and guided-missile submarine USS to the region to save a rotten genocidal apartheid entity.
As the observers are laughing at both genocidal Biden and assassin Netanyahu have said the following:
Pick up your energy and give it a try.
I think his “A couple of Palestinian acquaintances of mine”
exist only in horseshit comments as Israeli assistance.
I know many Palestinians. None would think to say such BS.
Yid would.
5ds
Thanks a lot. Difficult to say the deep truth/’the uprooting of all beings from being’./ better than you do.
Many years ago I read articles of Gilad Atzmon.
If I remember correct he tried to explain/or understand the relation/attitude of Hitlers National Socialist to zionist Jews by Heidegger’s existential philosophy.
An excerpt from Oliver Revilo’s article from the link:
–The Jews, naturally and, from their standpoint, reasonably, hate all Aryans, but they feel a specially intense hatred for Aryans who are so intelligent and manly that they resent being herded and fleeced by their Jewish shepherds and refuse to believe in the enormous racial superiority that entitles Jews to own the entire planet.
When the Germans tried to have a country of their own, international Jewry sent against Germany their stupid British hounds and eventually their rabid American mastiffs, who obediently and foully murdered the German leaders to prove to the world that resistance to God’s People is an unforgivable sin that is punished by torture and death. That we all know.
https://nationalvanguard.org/2024/08/revilo-olivers-reflections-on-the-christ-myth-part-1/
Once more Mr. Bris Hedges, Anti Semitism is a survival instinct which 109 nations had but you don’t. If you believe in the Hollywood Holohoax you have been JEWED. Once again Bris has dredged up the “good Jew” canard in his interview.
Mr. Bris conceals just about everything that makes a Talmudic jew a Jew. The Chosen creeple are their doggod’s only real humans and your not goyboy, Bris.
1. Their doggod’s inspired Talmud has sanctified the Jewish sacraments of jewsury, lieing, stealing, bribery, blackmail, sadism, abortion, pornography, rape, incest, infant kidnapping, rape, torture and murder, slavery and the slave trade, sex trafficking… against the non Jewish subhuman Bris Goytoys.
2. Jewish Pfizer’s and Moderna’s military grade Covid nano tech-genocidal biological weapon.
Thank you Warp Speed Trump, their Messiah, King of the Kikesuckers.
3. Stealing US military technology that they then sell to the Soviet Jewnion and China and have established dominant control of Intel, Qualcomm, Jewgoole, Faceberg, Crapple, Silikahn Valley, Jewmail, Jewtube, Palantir ….
4. Zionist Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street own about a 25% controlling shares of all Zionist Globalist corporations.
5. Zionist Globalist corporations are buying up white owned farmland, mineral and oil resources, water sources, electrical corporations and HOUSING.
6. Hostile takeovers of white owned corporations.
7. DEI discrimination against white job seekers. Replacement of white workers with non white immigrants.
8. Anti white educational indoctrination.
9. According to Killary, ( OAC, and other Zionist puppets) the pedophile,cannibal, Clinton her Zionist handlers are preparing North Korean style (FEMA) Reeducation Camps for at least millions of white extremists ( ie all whites). An estimated 20 million who can’t be “reformed” will be terminated.
Wake up Zionist jewed white zombies and smell the Jewish/Zionist assembly line ovens waiting to be switched on at Trump’s Warp Speed. All white gun owners are to be rounded up and disarmed by a newly enlisted anti white army of migrant invaders orchestrated by jew Zionists and their suicidal jewed white zombies.
Thanks, Mr. Bris Hedges.
Jewish Guilt/Remorse?
Not among the Zionists.
Really weird how it seems that shabbos goy hedges is always giving us the opinions of jews.
Let’s check the early life of this pappe guy….
If what you say is true (it’s not), why is every jew organization so hell-bent on marginalizing the political and social power of straight White gentile males by pushing uncontrolled non-White immigration?
I await your response…
You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
Ran out of “agree” buttons…
I think I know how to get christine hedges to finally hate ashkenazi jews as much as he hates White gentiles…
ashkenazis jews technically aren’t really jewish by jewish tradition. By jewish tradition, “jewishness” is based on the mother.
However, genetic testing has shown that there was a genetic bottleneck with ashkenazi jews, and the female line was not jewish at all. The female line of ashkenazis was actually from gentile women from Europe. Thus the DNA shows that ashkenazis are roughly half European and half middle eastern. The middle eastern part is from the male line, not the female line.
https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html
There, hopefully now that christine hedges understands the truth, that ashkenazis are half White gentile European, now hopefully he can hate on ashkenazi jewish supremacists with the same vigor and forcefulness that he hates on working class White gentiles. After all, jews are half European goy.
JEWISH leaders and their desire to exterminate White gentiles.
If you are a White gentile cuckstian, you are a retard helping your enemies destroy your families and your people…
https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Edom-Finished:d?lid=1931bc35a8ba61e510293cce975f9e880e3dc442
Exactly. We should not forget that he was the head of the New York Times bureau during the civil war in Bosnia, where he created constant anti-Serbian propaganda. One cannot just become the head of a bureau in a position where a precedent is set in world relations and the ground is prepared for future interventions anywhere in the world, and above all, the ground for an attack on Russia.
Even today, in almost every text regardless of the topic, he mentions the alleged genocide of Bosnian Muslims, although it is so worn out that no one uses it in propaganda anymore except the most retarded commentators when they don’t know what else to say.
i found this video of netanyahu’s address to the congress, elon musk, douglas murray in attendance.
Video Link
i assume (((steve THE FRAUD sailer))) wanted to be there.
the ONE yuge difference is that stalin was a better human being than mike johnson et al.
it’s almost as if chris has been brainwashed. he can’t grok how nazis are even possible. he thinks “dey musta been cray cray n shit.” and despite his harvard divinity school-ing (or maybe because of it) he just dismisses the NT as “anti-semitism” because it has 6 syllables and sounds sciency.
I don’t know what’s more baffling. Her lack of empathy or inability to be grateful (when the reporter asks if she is grateful to the Brits (Balfour Declaration)).
This is going to sound odd but I can’t even blame her. I blame those at the very top hidden in the shadow. They are masters are creating death cults through the manipulation of the mind, emotions, etc.
Ilan Pappe is everywhere described as “the Israeli historian”. I’d like to think that he’s a former “israeli”. People can’t help being born into the crime scene that is occupied Palestine, but those who get out can redeem themselves.
This article is about the Big Jew Zionists who are the major evil bastards who run Zionism.
There is another category of Jews that are just as evil as the Big Jew Zionists. He is your Little Jew dentist who gives money to AIPAC. With the slightest indication of your Christian culture, he will hate you and secretly work against you.
Don’t be a fool — 85% of all Jews are working against you and yours.
Eliminate them out of your life.
Fanatical, anti white E Michael Jones has courageously exposed the astounding perfidy and their current total domination of all western nations by the jewbrew Cabal. His answer is a return to the Roman Catholic Church.
Unfortunately, his Catholic Church no longer exists.
Since the 1960’s, the Catholic Church has lurched into self oblivion. Perhaps even since the Rothschild Reich’s victory in WWJew, the CC has been Rothschild jewed by the made in Hollywood-jew york axis’s Holohoax Matrix and instilled the Kikeological Holohoax Guilt Dementia Syndrome into its gullible sheeple.
The Vatican most likely accepted bribery or jewsury to cover up their financial shenanigans or it’s Eminences were blackmailed. Whatever the cause, the RCC was infiltrated by Zionists, Jewsuits, Freak Masons, Schlomosexuals and Zio-Communists.
Since the 1960’s the compromised RCC obediently followed the dictates of the eternally victimized Jewish master race ( for absolutely no possible reason except for Christian hatred and malice towards godz only true chosen creeple. Not you dirty Christian Amaleks.
E Michael Jones tells his (non existent white) Catholics to accept the ZOC Church’s support for Jewish anti white hateful uncivil rights laws on:
integration of white schools, housing, white built corporations, neighborhoods, military, job quotas based on race while racism is only caused by dos ebil honky racists.
I’ m sure the ZOC will try to Guilt Trip their sheeple into paying modern blaaacks who were never slaves into paying trillions in reparations from white Isramericans who never owned any slaves.
Whites are daily defamed with hate speech by the Jewish misinformation media. But only whites are charged with hate speech.
But it’s alright, because targeted white victims of black crime can rest easy because E.Michael Jones reassures them there is no white race!🤕
And White resistance and push back is what? Jews versus Euro Christians is like a track meet. The runners all go in the same direction.
I am counting all non Muslims, which would number in a few hundred million who were butchered by your fellow travelers over the fourteen hundred years.
The STEM intensity and concentration in graduate percentages of Americans per class shows that we are even more behind than other countries.
Hindoos and Chinese are hired on a priority or replacement basis on the consideration pure economics, i.e., workers at lower wages and more compliant. Indian call centers and tech support are good examples.
The JUSA is irredeemable. The rot and decay is too extensive. Reconstruction, modification, revision is futile. When fatally flawed large systems or machines are so deeply not viable or practical, then replacement is ineluctable. Mechanical engineers know this. People of more facile vocations and wider clearance of error are not as likely to understand.
So the bitch blames”White hate groups”?Whites have been under attack by the Christ-murdering Jews for many several thousand years.It is the Jews who despise Whites.We have let them into our countries only to have them destroy us.So to Hell with the guy talking about”the real anti-semites”.
I can’t believe I spent so much time to read this “Jewish Fairy Tale.” It’s so easy to prove your point that it’s a Jewish lobby because if you say anything against Israel it’s always Antisemetic and Anti Jewish. If 10,000 Jews get caught in a money laundering scheme you can’t say anything about it because it’s antisemitic because it’s not all Jews! However, if one white guy does something similar it’s White Supremacy and whites must be eliminated.
” The evidence that Western Jews wanted to avoid the same story in the Anglo world where they were secure and well integrated into the world’s premier elites. ”
And of course in Germany, too.
Perhaps Pappe’s book will have the unintended consequence of bringing these intra-Jewish tensions and internal contradictions to the fore, and to open discussion.
Even if the “dumping” argument is accepted, the question still remains:
Why dump them in Palestine and not in Uganda or other territory they were offered.
Why do those seeking a favor get to call the shots? Those begging for a favor (a new land) should have been obliged to take the first offer, not hold out for an inhabited and, actually, fairly modern land eminently ready to govern itself as a new nation: Palestine.
There were, obviously, sub rosa agendas going on to insert Jews in Palestine.
I agree that Hedges has become part of the problem.
He has TDS.
He cannot open his mouth without dissing Trump and his followers in the most unacceptable terms.
This, and his insistence on the primacy of the problem of “real anti-semitism” just muddy the discussion with shopworn sentiments.
He cannot accept that antisemitism is a response to stuff Jews actually do.
Not some mysterious DNA.
one string guitar hedgian
The German Christians in WWII just might disagree with you. Do you have any religious beliefs?
They were played and stepped into multiple traps by the Heebie Jeebies over centuries. Events leading to WWII were no different. I and others have discussed this at length, including comments and critical analysis by Carl Gustav Jung.
I have religious convictions that are unique and combinations of the Russian Orthodox Church and Eastern Religions, in large part Buddhism. You can reference my comments for more information.
Sorry Old Boy, but Jews do NOT have cocks. Being docked at the ripe old age of eight days, their infant cocks have been cut down to dicks. Dick Dock. Dick Dock. Time has run out on those wounded weenies.
The German Christians may have been played to some extent, but clearly, these Christians did not all go in the same direction in lockstep with the jews. I am a Christian American of European descent (mostly English and Scottish) and I write with certainty, that I do not support the jewish cabal. I like the German people and have worked on a research project with a couple of German scientists from Hamburg.
Russian Orthodox is a Christian religion. Buddhism is simply a philosophy. There is a very big difference between the two. Otherwise, I agree with many of your comments.
I am sorry.
I apologize.
Allow me to withdraw my hasty comment upon a hasty and inattentive reading of your post.
I mistook the quote in your comment–even though you had it framed– as your own statement.
Fanatics are like that. It’s not unique to Jews, but is easier for them, given the xenophobic cult into which they are socialised.
The logic of Judaism is the Jews against the world. Therefore, ‘Israel’ must, in the end, ‘defend itself’ from ALL goyim. And they have the bio-weapons to do it.
They would feel exactly the same way about the US if they did another 9/11
What you say IS true of many Jews, and a growing number inside Israel. But it is NOT true of ALL Jews, many of whom oppose Zionazi barbarity, out of moral principle and from self-interest because Zionazi inhumanity is creating a huge amount of justified hostility to Jews, even in the slave states of the West. Your stupid denunciations of ALL Jews simply play into the hands of the Zionazis.
Boy!
I was thinking that if Arabs united and formed a few troops like these 👇 the Jews will get the fuck out of Palestine quickly
What about the sham of Semitism? Look at the OT, descendants of Shem. Look at the NT, Jesus’ outrage at the proselytizing rabbis. In Abraham’s time one percent of Semites were Jews, and in Jesus’s time on earth one percent of Jews were Semites. Far less today. The connection is deception. The accusation of antisemitism is hate speech and lying by the liar-haters. Why are they allowed to get away with it, everyone falling into line?
Disagree.
When jews speak out disavowing their talmudic jewish supremacist beliefs, I will change my mind.
Jews fear retribution. THAT is their only reason for opposing the genocide that is taking place in Gaza and the West Bank.
They see that the whole world is going against them and are aware that expulsion 110 will take place. It’s self-preservation that is the key…
Where were these “good” jews in 1948 when the Nakba was taking place?
Where were these “good” jews when an American ship (USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was deliberately attacked by israel in 1967?
Where were these “good” jews when Palestinians were being shot just because they were Palestinians?
Where are these “good” jews living in the West Bank when their fellow jews are murdering Palestinians on a whim to this very day?
Nope, I ain’t buying it.
As I previously stated, “good” jews will have to suffer. I don’t want to see it, but it is inevitable.
The “good” jews still subscribe to the “double standard”, relegating all gentiles as “lesser beings” to be used (and abused) for the advantage of the jews.
The “good” jews still subscribe to collective responsibility and collective punishment, unlike every other group on the planet.
Judaism either has to fundamentally change or be excised from the planet. There is no other way…
The Balfour Declaration, it’s well known, this is the commitment, the very short but the commitment on the part of the British government in the middle of World War II to build a Zionist state and appeal to the kind of conspiracy theories that worldwide Jewry in America and could bring America into the war, and the Germans might co-opt worldwide Jewry.
He obviously meant World War I
There was a deal. The Jews in the USA would use their control of the media to bring the USA into WWI on the side of the British. In return, the British would donate a land they did not own, Palestine, to the Zionists.
Let’s keep in mind that Russia was on board the partitioning of the Middle East. The (secretive) Sykes-Picot agreement was Sykes-Picto-Sazonov. Britain had promised the Turkish Strait to Russia (long dream of the Tsars) if Russia helped Britain win the war. Russia helped, Britain won but Britain stabbed Russia with the revolution.
The comment above the video is most likely made by an Argentinean (I doubt a Spaniard would know what “gilipollez” means, which is Rioplatense lunfardo meaning “idiocy.”).
I like to think that it was seen by many Argentineans whose president worships Israel and is busy selling the country to “investors” like Singer.
Yeah-I already knew that you are an idiot, and a hate-crazed bigot. NO group, however defined, is uniform in morality, and to say so is pure Talmudism. Your religious slip is showing. Happy Hanukkah, troll.
Milei has just shipped all of Argentina’s gold reserves to London for… “safe keeping.”
You are PROOF that there is no way to argue with a JEW who does nothing but spew hate and resorts to name-calling when the TRUTH about jews is exposed.
I am merely throwing the jewish concepts of collective responsibility and collective punishment back at the JEWS. Let them abide by the same concepts as the rest of us.
Refute my statements…if you can.
(crickets)
I lived in Spain for two years and Gilipollas is the most used word up there 😂
This from “El Periódico”:
And yes, you’re right, Milei is a big Gilipollas.
😂
I stand corrected. I heard it in Argentinean stand-up skits and movies and I had always assumed it was as Argentinean as … che.” We are regaled with countless Argentinean movies here but few Spanish ones.
Are neither of these two aware that the Zionists and Nazis were actually collaborating on Israel at the start? It’s a glaring omission in an otherwise detailed history.
Perhaps they don’t want to come to the unthinkable conclusion that the Holocaust (whatever the truth about it is) might never have happened if Britain and US hadn’t been so determined to obstruct and provoke Hitler at every turn. Imagine what might have happened if Germany had simply sent every discontented Jew to Israel, all expenses paid, before war broke out…
Thank you for setting the record straight
You are not supposed to notice