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This is an edited version of the second of two lectures the author gave recently on “Defending the Humanity of Humanity.†He spoke Oct. 10 at Mut zur Ethik, a twice-yearly conference held in Sirnach, near Zurich. His first lecture can be read here.
The barbarities of Zionist Israel force fundamental questions upon us: Where is our humanity as the Israelis prosecute their terror campaigns before us daily? What shall we do as we find ourselves powerless to react meaningfully because, as the West Asia crisis has suddenly forced us to realize, our institutions have failed us?
Now many of us recognize the need to defend our humanity — the humanity of humanity, as I think of it.
I previously addressed this question as it relates to public space and argued that it is time to look again at multilateral institutions, the United Nations chief among them, with a view to reviving them after a long period during which they have been discounted and devalued.
Now I want to turn the questions just posed in another direction and suggest we consider the matter from a personal, individual perspective.
What must each of us do, in the privacy, so to say, of our consciences, our thoughts, our surmises and judgments, to take up the work of defending humanity’s humanity? It is at bottom a psychological question. It is a matter, very simply, of “changing our minds.â€
We must begin, it seems to me by recognizing who we think we are. Note right away: I speak not of who we are but who we think we are, who we assume ourselves to be.
We live in “the Western world,†as it is called, and it follows naturally we are Westerners. Who can argue with this? To be Westerners is absolutely integral to our identity, I think I can say without further explanation.
This has been so for many centuries. I take my date in this connection to be 1498, when Vasco da Gama set foot along the Malabar Coast, in southern India, making himself the first modern Westerner to arrive in the non–West.
And then it follows easily enough that when we declare what we are we declare what we are not. I have just suggested the result: The world is divided between Westerners and non–Westerners. This division, fundamental as it is to how we think, is by and large the West’s doing. Let us take care to note this.
This line between West and non–West is very old, going back much earlier than 1498. It dates at least to the 5th century B.C., when Herodotus recorded the Persian Wars in his famous Histories. And it is remarkable how intact this line between West and East comes down to us.
The Biden regime and the rest of the West think of it today as the line dividing democracies and autocracies. Cast the Israel–Palestine question in a larger context and you find that, whatever else it is, it is another confrontation between West and non–West.
We may not accept the Biden regime’s contention that it is waging war against the non–West’s autocrats in behalf of the West’s democrats, but this does not mean we do not nonetheless conceive of ourselves as fundamentally “Western.†We have in this way inherited our past, consciously or otherwise.
We come to my first fundamental point. If we are to defend the humanity of humanity, our first obligation is to recognize that the line between West and East is, as it has always been, a human construct and nothing more. Herodotus, in his wisdom, made this point: Even as he recorded the half-century of enmity between the Persian Empire and the Greek city-states, he called the line between them, dividing East from West, “imaginary.â€
Nobody seems to have got this point over the past 2,500 years: It is commonly assumed today that this line is etched immutably into the earth, as if it would be visible from a satellite. So we must begin by disposing of this unexamined thought. It is a question, then, of — very literally — “changing our minds.â€
This means, and let’s invent a useful word here, we must “de–Westernize†our consciousness. I suggest to you that embarking on a process of personal, individual “de–Westernization†is absolutely essential if we propose to defend the humanity of humanity.
The Japanese — the early Japanese feminists, actually — had a wonderful expression for this kind of project. These were superbly human people —principled, authentic, at ease among strangers such as I was — and I learned a lot from them. They spoke of “the edifice within†and the need to dismantle it.
As things stand the Biden regime and its clients are dedicated now, just as they will tell you, to defending the West as their primary responsibility. When we de–Westernize our consciousness we can easily see through this thought and understand how pitifully shallow and limited it is.
Instantly, we have opened the door for ourselves to defending not the West — the implication being the West against the rest — but humanity and the humanity of humanity.
Let me say this straightaway. Jens Stoltenberg, the secretary general of NATO, and Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, and Antony Blinken, the U.S. Secretary of State, are in great, obvious need of de–Westernization. But let us not make the mistake of assuming it is these few unreconstructed Western supremacists who constitute our problem.
I am talking about a new inner attitude, a new way of thinking, seeing and doing, that all of us must cultivate in ourselves. This is nothing like impossible, should anyone here wonder as to the formidability of the task.
Here I speak from experience. I spent just short of three decades as a correspondent abroad, almost every day of it in non–Western nations, mostly but not only in East Asia. And when I finished those years I discovered, a little to my surprise, that I was no longer truly a Westerner.
My physiognomy — round eyes, fair hair, and so on — had nothing to do with it. I was entirely myself, of course: I had surrendered or disavowed nothing. But I had “changed my mind†— or life and experience had changed it for me. I was no longer entirely Western. It had to do with the way I thought, the way I saw the world, and how I acted in it.
The thought that the West was superior to all those gathered in the name of the non–West, had come to seem to me ridiculous. The Western insistence on the primacy of the individual seemed to me problematic at the very least, especially as Americans thought of the matter.
I am not suggesting one must spend three decades wandering among Asians to accomplish the project of de–Westernizing oneself. Not at all. It is a question of cultivating one’s self-awareness. What matters is one’s honesty, one’s independence of thought, and one’s determination to be nothing more nor less than oneself regardless of prevailing orthodoxies.
Friedrich Nietzsche wrote somewhere — The Gay Science, perhaps, and I am sorry I cannot be more precise — of “taking off the garb of the West,†a wonderful way of putting it. And somewhere else he wrote of rowing our boats out beyond our shores so we can look back from a useful distance, and see ourselves as we are.
This is part of what he meant, and only part, by “the pathos of distance.†Only from a distance, he thought, can we see our flaws and altogether ourselves. And this is what I mean — to reconsider who we are, top to bottom. Again to Nietzsche, it is part of what he meant when he wrote of “the revaluation of all values.â€
He urged us, as I put it, to skate out on the thin ice of the modern age and think again of all we have assumed to be so.
I will turn here to some specific steps I think we need to take. They are all aspects of what I think is the fundamental process to which we must submit ourselves as individuals. This we can easily name: Let’s call it “the process of overcoming,†or maybe “self-overcoming.â€
The first of these matters I have already suggested. It concerns the ideology that binds the West as we have inherited it, even if this ideology resides within our unconscious.
To defend the humanity of all humanity requires us to overcome in ourselves all the presumption that our ways of life and our institutions are the superior paradigm to which others aspire, or, if they do not so aspire, they ought to aspire, or at the extreme, they must be taught or made to aspire, and if they do not so aspire it is only because they are primitive and, so, ignorant.
The purest expression of this presumption I know of is called “Wilsonian universalism,†after the president who advanced the idea in the early years of the last century. We — we Americans — are humanity’s gifted ones, Woodrow Wilson professed, and it is our responsibility to spread our light to all the dark corners of the world.
It is easy to deceive ourselves as we consider this point. It is easy to say, “How foolish and extravagantly narcissistic a thought.â€
I know this because, during my years in Asia I discovered many times, and always bitterly, that I had been fooling myself when I assumed I held to the equality of those among whom I lived. When I look back now I am ashamed at the many occasions when my true views of others emerged and turned out to be nothing like what I thought they were. They seemed, on the worst of these occasions, even a touch Wilsonian.
It takes, as I suggested just earlier, a kind of raw honesty to look at ourselves, to look within, and see exactly who we are and what it is we have to overcome.
It is a question of shedding an ideology within which we have been immersed the whole of our lives. And if you have breathed a certain kind of air or drunk a certain kind of water the whole of your life, it is difficult indeed to imagine any other air or water. But this is what we must do.
The second matter I want to raise has to do with politics. Here I have a couple of points to make.
We hear a lot these days about inclusivity and diversity. We hear so much about these things it is difficult to take these words seriously. Listen closely. The people who speak most loudly about diversity and inclusion are typically talking about skin color, gender, or some other superficial marker of identity.
They entertain no notion whatsoever of inclusion or diversity when it comes to any substantive value. One can be different in all sorts of ways, but not, heaven forbid, different in thought or belief or tradition or culture.
This is of no use. If we are to defend humanity’s humanity we must take back these words from the supercilious people who use them most — who make them mean their opposite, indeed — and make them mean something new and serious.
This requires not merely accepting but embracing true diversity and true inclusion, and this means, in turn, embracing those who may not think at all like us, or whose values are fundamentally at odds with ours.
And the more we find others to be strangers in these ways, the more important it is for us to overcome our proclivities.
My third concern here is maybe the most important. Perhaps I should have put it first. This has to do with history. History, as we will always find in all circumstances, is once again our friend.
We share a tendency across the West to ignore or dismiss the histories of non–Western peoples. If you doubt I am being fair in saying this, pick up a mainstream newspaper and study how it treats Palestinians, Iranians, Russians, Venezuelans.
Note my choice of examples. Our societies are typically inclined to erase the histories of those we stand against. This is a very pernicious practice leading to all sorts of problems. Deny the history of another people and we deny those people — their complexity, their aspirations, indeed, in the end their humanity.
We so license ourselves to affix a label to them — “terrorist state,†“oligarchy,†“theocracy,†what have you — and there is no more need to understand them. Their histories instantly disappear. We have, in a word dehumanized them.
The obvious project here is to allow others their histories. This is instantly transforming. Look what happens in the ready-to-hand case of the Palestinians of Gaza, when we put the present crisis in the context of 1948.
Our understanding is immediately changed. We have, in our terms today, de–Westernized our perspective on this question. And this is why, I have to add, we are encouraged — incessantly, relentlessly, every day — to leave the history of this crisis out of it.
If we are to defend the humanity of humanity properly, we must be willing to acknowledge that humanity has countless different histories, all of which we must honor as valid. In this cause I urge we make ourselves vigilant, vigorous defenders of history, insisting, in whatever circumstance we find ourselves, that it can never be left out.
As another example of what I mean, we must look at a nation’s system, a system such as China’s, and refrain from concluding without elaboration or reflection that it is objectionably “authoritarian†and content ourselves to say it is run —as I read in The Times of London the other day — “by a totalitarian clique.â€
If we propose to defend humanity’s humanity and indeed our own, to think in this way is a hopeless case. It is failure right out of the box. This may be what China looks like to the unreconstructed Western mind, but it amounts to a cartoon rendering of reality. It is no longer acceptable, if ever it was, on two grounds.
One, if we persist in cultivating our blindness to this extent we will lose touch with the 21st century and all its currents. Two and more obviously, we will fail utterly to understand others.
In the case of China, you have to look not at a map of the mainland, one, but a great pile of maps from different periods. Then you see that China has a long history of tension and conflict between integration and disintegration, going back many centuries, such that the China of one period scarcely resembles the China of another.
Maintaining territorial integrity and defending China’s sovereignty has been a constant challenge over a long, long period of time. With these maps and what we learn from them in mind, we can understand why a strong centralized government has been so long part of Chinese reality and why it is broadly accepted even among Beijing’s domestic critics.
And we can then see that the unity and integration of the present-day People’s Republic is a great achievement.
As part of this achievement, I will add, we find the guiding precepts by which modern China conducts itself among others. I am thinking here of Zhou Enlai’s famous Five Principles, formulated in 1954, about which most Westerners know as much as they know of Chinese history — more or less nothing.
Respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty, non-aggression, noninterference in others’ internal affairs, interacting to mutual benefit, peaceful coexistence: This makes five. These are irrefutably admirable ideas.
They are 21st century ideas, too. And they arise out of China’s long experience throughout its history.
As I reflect on them, I will mention, another passage in Nietzsche comes to mind. I have a lot of “Fritz,†as his family called him, for you today, because he was greatly concerned with the matter of what made us Western and the need to transcend our “Westernness.â€
A word often associated with him is “perspectivism.†It means the capacity to see from the perspectives of others, and I have long argued this is paramount among our imperatives if we are to make any kind of success of the 21st century.
This is from Twilight of the Idols. It bears more or less directly on our task of de–Westernizing ourselves:
“The whole of the West no longer possesses the instincts out of which institutions grow, out of which a future grows: Perhaps nothing antagonizes its ‘modern spirit’ so much. One lives for the day, one lives very fast, one lives very irresponsibly: Precisely this is called ‘freedom.’ That which makes an institution an institution is despised, hated, repudiated: One fears the danger of a new slavery the moment the word ‘authority’ is even spoken out loud. That is how far decadence has advanced in the value-instincts of our politicians, of our political parties: Instinctively they prefer what disintegrates, what hastens the end.â€
Think about this. These are the remarks of someone who has rowed his boat beyond the shore, turned back, and saw something other than what he was supposed to see.
I have one further point to make in the matter of history.
When I urge we value and defend it, I do not mean merely remembering. Memory and history are closely related, and this relationship is among my favorite topics. Here I will say only that when we speak of defending history and making use of it, I mean making sure we attend to written history. We must insist on de–Westernizing our histories by insisting that events now neglected— al–Nakba a prime example — are neither minimized nor distorted nor excluded altogether.
When Nietzsche wrote of taking off the garb of the West he did not mean we had to forget who we are or in any way surrender our identities. Quite the opposite. The exercise was intended as a process of self-discovery, not self-denial. Culture is part of what it means to be human, and as we learn to honor the cultures of others we must also honor our own.
And so, as we think about de–Westernizing our consciousness we must also think of “re–Westernizing†ourselves.
Here I want to put forward a radical idea.
In the mid–19th century, as the West was industrializing and learning to place its faith in science, the Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, gave way to the Age of Materialism. Our age is an extension of this latter, fair to say. Material consumption is an abiding value now. We honor the market as if it always knows best — as if it can do our thinking for us, as if what the market dictates will always yield the right outcome.
We have, in other words, more or less lost sight of the ideals of the Enlightenment. We profess to live by them, but as I noted in an earlier lecture, every age professes rather hollowly to honor the values of the preceding age even as it has abandoned them.
Here I will invoke Nietzsche’s notion of the revaluation of all values.
When I speak of re–Westernization as the companion of de–Westernization, and both in the cause of defending the humanity of humanity, I am proposing nothing less than the transcendence of the values we inherit from the Age of Materialism and a return to the ideals our societies left behind when, as Western nations industrialized, “progress†acquired aspects of an ideological cult. We have ever since mistaken material progress for progress by way of our values — the progress altogether of humanity.
We are left now with all the gadgets we can think of but, as the Zionists grimly remind us, we find our conduct toward one another as barbaric as it ever was. Steve Jobs used to boast that Apple was going to “change the world.†How impoverished can our thinking get? Technologies — cellular telephones and all the rest — have changed nothing that has to do with human values. If you consider the Gaza case, technologies have changed the world by going some way to destroying human values.
The Enlightenment’s ideals — humanism, rational thought, natural law, toleration, “liberty, equality, fraternity,†and so on — are what we in the West can bring to the world not unlike the way China offers the world its Five Principles. I am not talking about, I must hasten to add, any kind of nostalgic return to the past. I am talking about a return to ourselves.
Here I have to take care to qualify my thinking.
There are some very intelligent people who tell us that the Enlightenment project was, in fact, a misconceived failure and the source of a lot of the problems humanity has since faced. It was from the Enlightenment, this argument runs, that there arose the impulse to universalize Western civilization as the glorious destination of all humanity. The extent to which Enlightenment thinkers such as Thomas Jefferson elevated the individual to a position of sovereignty seems to me another problem.
John Gray, a British intellectual, published a book called Enlightenment’s Wake in 1995 and in it went a long way toward demolishing commonly accepted notions of what the Enlightenment was about. I not only acknowledge this line of thinking. I endorse many aspects of it.
And this is why I bring Nietzsche’s notion of revaluing our values into the matter. The Enlightenment’s ideals are enduring. It is how they were interpreted and applied that produced the failures. Ho Chi Minh admired Jefferson’s Declaration. But America betrayed Ho, let’s not forget. Jefferson, to go straight to the point, was a slave owner.
I speak, then, of the manifestation of Enlightenment values in a new, 21st century context. This may appear a bold idea, but there is nothing terribly complicated here. Advancing beyond the values of the Materialist Age is, yes, a new thought. But I am talking merely about revaluing — and so living up to —ideals we continue to profess but abjectly fail to honor. Living up to these ideals means, before it means anything else at all, acting according to them while not imposing them on anyone else. You cannot profess liberty — and certainly not democracy — while insisting others accept your version of these.
This is what I mean by “re–Westernization†as the companion of our de–Westernization project, and both in the cause of defending the humanity of humanity.
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“1498, when Vasco da Gama set foot along the Malabar Coast, in southern India, making himself the first modern Westerner to arrive in the non–West”
I think you have mistaken the priority of these two adjectives. I believe that — granting your chosen date and chosen personage for convenience’s sake — da Gama was the first Modern Man to arrive in the pre-Modern world. To my mind, the gulf between Modern and pre- or non- or anti-Modern is far greater than the West/East divide. There had been several unconscious attempts in various other places and times to establish or induce the Modern in prior societies (the Sung Dynasty came close, less so the Baghdad Caliphate), and Modern individuals, like say Catullus or Euripides sprang up uniquely from time to time, but not numerous to create the Age. All of the necessary ingredients were not present in the same place at the same time with the same velocity.
The keynote catastrophe of the past millennium is that it took centuries upon centuries for the West to develop and give birth to the Modern, but when it finally did, Westerners sprung it upon the rest of humanity almost instantaneously — unwittingly presenting all the rest of mankind with the greatest cognitive challenge it had ever collectively encountered since the dawn of agriculture, and expected Non-Modern Man to catch up right away. Which was of course nearly always nearly impossible. In the meantime the advantages which the West enjoyed from having already mastered the Modern were simply too great to resist, with the result being the usual litany of complaints from the grievance industry. As if imperialism and conquest and exploitation and natural human greed and cruelty had never happened before.
Generally, folks speak of the West as one continuous lineage, unbroken in essence, but with an outward shifting form. Viewing both ancient Greece and Rome as integral to their modern heritage–perhaps only different in ‘style’.
Others think differently. Alternately, Spengler argued that in fact Greece and Rome, the Classical civilization, derived from a totally different culture/world-view, having little to do with what came after– i.e., what we call the West. A cyclical view of history, but not linear.
Whether one agrees with Spengler in details, most however likely agree that the West is in decline. Probably terminal. Something will rise to take its place, something having as little in common with ‘the West’ as the West had with Classical civilization. But where and when?
China? For centuries China slept. As if in stasis or hibernation. Now awakened, in 75 years or so (really, since about 1980, less than fifty years) China has undergone a transformation unseen in modern human history. Shows what a univocal commitment to cultural cohesion can accomplish.
While the West is intent on suicide, China takes the alternate path. Possibly time for the West to sleep it off, like China before it.
Indeed. This cohesion idea was well-expressed by China contemporary artist Zhao Bandi, in his painting, “China Lake.†The water of course represents a unifying cohesive force in which everyone is immersed. Is that force cultural? Is it the government? Both? Same thing?
The chains are loose, we should all be happy. Well 4 billion asians may be satisfied with that, under the threat of violence. It’s called coercion and just because it’s better than before doesn’t mean everything is ok. Give your governments another century and you’ll see what I’m saying. We’re all slaves to one government or another.
Is it an accident that the world is descending into destruction?
Humans have always looked for signs and meaning in everything they do, we are told from school age that the Pythagorthians were obsessed with triangles…the religious scriptures tell of omens… its hard wired into our psychology.
This is why 2025 is a dangerous year…all sorts of people in positions of power will read special qualities into this number and predict a final reckoning for humanity.
The number isn’t special but the limitations of human life and the want of those in power now for some supernatural spirit to appear while they’re alive is what makes this time dangerous…and that’s why such thinking and nut cases need to be removed before 2025…particularly in the U.S and Israel.
We cannot leave our fate to such fanatics…they will lead us to the abyss, we have to do power a different way and that means we have to rid ourselves of the leader as the messiah.
I take my date in this connection to be 1498, when Vasco da Gama set foot along the Malabar Coast, in southern India, making himself the first modern Westerner to arrive in the non–West.
A more notable event of a westerner going to the east would be that of Marco Polo who visited China from 1271–95. There were others, but his is the most well known account.
‘Tis a fine sermon, but, in the best traditions of modern Western thinking, it claims reality is not real.
“Skin color” is a catch-all for other mendacious arguments that claim a falsehood to be fact – namely, that there are no innate biological differences among the races. But there are true and measurable differences in the organs, the blood, the bones, and by far most importantly the brains. The suicide of the West continues apace, while Westerners claim that they must change themselves and recognize that the savage sub-Saharan African and the inscrutable Oriental are just as, or perhaps more, valuable forms of life than your own blood and genetic kin.
I think you should go back where you belong
Nonsense.
Chinese people, and not the false entity “‘china “, are on the same course than westerners. Denatality, hostility between the sexes, no marriages, stupid sub and pop culture : animes, comics, pop music, video games obsession. Sexual depravity with manga porn.
They are even faster than westerners in their decadence. It took the West more or less 2 centuries to devolve into this mess, it took them only 2 or 3 decades.
And it’s normal. They have been infected with the same modern, anti traditional sickness.
All the liars and idiots who praise China on this website and elsewhere are, idiots. Liars, ignorants, trolls.
Deal with it.
Thanks for letting me know that I’m a liar and an idiot. You could have said worse, I guess. LOL
But you are wrong. China has social problems, for sure, but they are insignificant compared to what is going down in the West, which is rapid cultural and economic suicide… albeit with a happy face.
In fact, the idea you present, that China is in decline, is one you hear often, but not reality based. No one expected a Chinese economic miracle in such a short time–about 50 years. And it is continuing. Why? Mostly because the culture is essentially univocal, and the country is run by serious men making serious decisions.
I’ve stayed in China for extended periods, and never saw your ‘hostility’ between the sexes. From my experience, most young folks desire to get married, and are encouraged to do so by parents and the government. Certainly economic considerations must be confronted–a house and a car, etc.
Never saw manga porn sold on the news stands. Not sure where you got that. Officially, porn is banned, but I suppose that it can be found ‘underground’. Certainly nothing sexually explicit is out in the open.
Good to remember this didn’t just happen out of the clear blue sky. Who most benefits when a free and independent people are reduced to alienated narcissists, obedient and just smart enough (as George Carlin put it) to run the machines. The Machiavellian “workers’ hero†FDR said it best: in politics, nothing happens accidentally. History is not composed of trends that magically appear out of nowhere, but is the record of the acts of specific influential individuals and interest groups and their impacts on society.
Recall that the clergy struck back against America’s funding principles in the great religious revival of the 1820’s, in this country called “the Second Great Awakening,†which repudiated the entirely secular foundation of the Enlightenment, the rejection of revealed religion. Our materialistic culture flows from what some call the permanent crisis of capitalism, overproduction, accustoming us to a flood of luxuries that we now think of as necessities. Creating demand for these novelties produced a media that shapes opinion rather than informs, and the permanent war state naturally followed to ensure an uninterrupted flow of goods, materials, and labor into this brave new world.
Some coincidence, that a people distracted by the supernatural and drugged by excess are so much easier to keep under control than the sturdy, self-reliant folk who once lived here. De-capitalizing ourselves might be the better course; we may have little choice in the matter as the accumulated folly of generations of misleadership seems about to bring the chickens home to roost.
The “enlightenment” is a whole ragbag of things that are often contradictory. Even small discussions become arguments whenever the word pops up.
A whole lot easier is the incessant use of the term “consumer” going back many years but acquiring a hard edge during the Reagan debacle.
A nation or even a civilization of workman who value their skills and pass their value-adding mentality onto their progeny can make a wrong turn now and then, but still land on their feet in a pinch.
Consumers, no. The big error was letting economists get away with the false and destructive belief that the great goal in life is a growing economy. The better to serve this economy is a constantly growing population, which led to our present headaches.
Economies expand and shrink; so far as history is much of a guide, populations grow and slack off as well.
An economic heresy let the dishonest among us convince the bankers that if natives cannot breed enough to satisfy the numbers-crunchers at the Fed, aliens will have to fill the gap. The rest we all know.
When citizens become consumers freedom begins to erode. Our current hurricane season is showing just how fast and malignant that erosion has become.
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The West now has sham democracies and fake elections. It’s been subverted. We still have plenty of nukes and military hardware from the past, but we are not what we once were.
Another great article.
Defending humanity’s humanity .
What else is there? What a script sure.
We , us, are in deep dew do.
It’s about time. Not going to be easy .
Progress isn’t working all that well…
Divine Providence needs to be…
Reconsidered. Expert opinions…
Quantum entanglements any One ?
Start again … Over and out .
When citizens become consumers freedom begins to erode. Our current hurricane season is showing just how fast and malignant that erosion has become.
What is this utter bullshit?
Can you not try and get out a bit more?
There are some interesting thoughts in the text, but the starting point is wrong, as is the general perspective. Let me quote a thought first:
It is interesting that Westerners imagine themselves as representing some kind of “civilization” at the highest level, although they first encountered civilizations thousands of years old only during the raiding expeditions of Crusaders. By falsifying Greek history and appropriating it, they try to artificially stretch the beginning of Western civilization to the time of the Trojan War, despite the lack of continuity.
The true beginnings of Western civilization, such as the Etruscans, remain unknown—whether their script has been decoded or not. The origins of Western civilization are unclear, and it is rarely mentioned that their ancestors, primitive nomads from the Russian steppes (known as “Indo-Germans,” i.e., “Indo-Europeans”), migrated to Europe and brought with them a particular culture.
Instead of focusing on Vasco da Gama, I suggest we begin discussions with the First Industrial Revolution (7000 years ago), about which Westerners (and others) know little—namely, the first smelting of metals in VinÄa, the cradle of European civilization, culture, mythology, and language. Let’s examine the level of civilization in VinÄa, which future Westerners later surpassed by thousands of years, though they now refuse to acknowledge (and few even know) that the roots of their civilization, culture, and language lie there.
Who knows that after arriving in Europe (around 4,800 years ago), the ancestors of today’s Westerners committed genocide against the native peoples of Europe? Since then, almost all wars have been started by their descendants.
LOL
The text, by the way, mentions the white race as something intrinsic to Westerners. But were these primitive nomads “white”? Some authors suggest that the white race emerged from the collision between sedentary peoples and incoming nomads. The question remains: who “bleached” whom?
So, we need to change the starting point in both time and space. We should shift our perspective and not view history solely through the lens of today’s Westerners, who see themselves as superior and exceptional.
Let’s begin with the First Industrial Revolution and proceed step by step through time and space.
Oh yes, that’s right. The sturdy self-reliant folk who once lived here were never distracted by the supernatural or drugged to excess.
You are on it. Right on it.
What is it going to take?
Ignorance is the original SIN.
There is nothing wrong with imperialism/colonization. Absolutely nothing. And I say this as a citizen of a nation that was colonized by the Brits for centuries. Colonization is the law of the land. It is nature in motion.. It happens in the African savannah and the pacific ocean- the powerful take over the weak. Even plants do it for fucks sakes. Besides, the majority of colonized nations were improved in every manner by the imperialists.
What is wrong with the western psyche is its obsession with morality and charity – these are anathema to common sense. Nature is amoral. There is no good or bad. But you whiteys for some bizzare reason go around looking for “justice”. I blame Christianity for this. Nothing else.
“Now many of us recognize the need to defend our humanity — the humanity of humanity, as I think of it.”
What is humanity you doucheclown? What the fuck is it? Define it. The white man indirectly ruined this planet. I’m happy what is coming to him(eventual extinction). Meanwhile China and the mighty CCP understood human nature, understood history and its effects and is on course to create the first truly great system and civilization.
I must ask how you define “Modern”?
Because 93 years before Vasco da Gama set foot in India, in 1405, the Ming fleets under Zheng He began a series of voyages, sailing from China, through Malaya, India, Arabia, onto East Africa.
I am sure you are familiar with his exploits because you mention the advances of the Song, two centuries before the Ming.
Zheng He too had compasses, firearms and sophisticated ships. Why do you not include Zheng He as “modern”?
Thank you Mr Lawrence,
For your insightful and honest article.
You have revived my hopes that the West will be able to snap out of its current delusions and return to being constructive, rather than destructive player that the Non-West hopes it can be.
Whatever is going on in either China or the West, there is one stark difference. The Chinese, call them a race, an ethnic group or a type (pick your term of choice), will survive the demographic crisis of an age heavy population and low birthrate intact as what they are. The white West will not. It’s all that simple.
i agree with most of what lawrence says here but the whole “there’s no such thing as the ‘west’” argument is a distraction at best and ignores both material history and any opposing metaphysics.
i personally find it helpful to picture the demarcation point of east/west” to be the primordial formation of “humanity” in africa (or “ethiopia” if you want to bust it old school like garvey). on eiher side you have a clear difference in the three levels of “being”:
physical: as i said, cultures to the worldy east of africa differ greatly in appearance and behavior to those on the geographically western side. if “west” doesn’t work for you, just think “europe”. travel south and central america while taking note of the people who look “native” versus those who look “hispanic”.
mental: being adjacent to both the physical and spiritual spheres and leaning heavily on “nurture”, the psychological and academic overviews of east vs west show a very distinct difference. to the point where you wonder if they’re even the same species. russians, as an example, “look european” but have the temperament of their “asian-looking” neighbors.
spiritual: MLK’s idea of “spiritual death” has been playing out in front of us our entire lives. cultures are organisms but once their ontological aspect is subsumed (provided they ever had one) they become an unthinking material cancer. for all the western pissing and moaning about china’s “soulless communism” that country has always built their socialist house on a confucian and/or buddhist foundation. meanwhile “israel” has acted in ways so tumor-like that it calls for chemotherapy.
Since you are also an admirer of tradition….you might enjoy this:
The music originates in the Tang era, circa 600AD
The performers wear court dress of the Song era, circa 900AD.
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Sirnach is far away from Zürich. It is in Canton Thurgau. The town is know for its group, The European Working Group “Courage for Ethicsâ€.
Oh boy, before reading your lecture, I, or may I say “you”, ought to come to terms with your opening term?!
It is THE JEWS, nothing but the cuck Jews all inclusive!
When are you writers going to show true colours?
All Jews, every single Jew, down to the last one circumcised today, is a problem.
There is only one way: criminalize the criminals incl. offsprings and their venues & hosts, the rabid rabbis. They are all criminals. There are no exceptions. Judaism is mafia. It is everything but a religion let alone religiousness! It is plain evilness!
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Maybe it’s too early and I didn’t get my daily coffer yet, but I didn’t get the point or the sense of this article. I’ll come back to it after coffee. Or not. Life is short.
I’ll say this: The so-called “enlightenment” wasn’t really that great — it was actually the beginning of the end. French Revolution, American Revolution, even Bolshevism, all comes from that.
J.C. got it right when He said something like ‘people will be eating and drinking and marrying,etc’.That’ s what’s happening today.Everything depends on the mighty Dollar.Every week we go to the super market to buy food.We are not truly independent. The only ones who are independent are small, self-employed family farmers. The rest are slaves.The other point i would like to make is we don’t know our language . Eg we don’t know the meaning of ‘um’ in many words and we don’t know why we have ‘e’ at the end of many words. We all need dictionaries to express ourselves. What you think Moses had a dictionary when he wrote his 5 books? And of course it’s all based on ancient Greek mythology which is just— mythology.
Ignorance will destroy us..
The Gaza abominations are pure Western genocide, as we saw in the slaughter of the indigenous throughout the New World (who descendants, as in Australia, still live in a racist Hell today), the aggressions by European imperialists, the Great Famines in India under English rule, and into internecine slaughters like the Thirty Years war and World Wars I and II.
In my opinion, these all descend, in large part, from Judaism, the supremacist, xenophobic, patriarchal, murder-cult that infected both Christianity and Islam. And capitalism, the neoplastic cult that has almost finished destroying the natural world and causing our imminent extinction, is the purest manifestation of what Marx called Jewish ‘hucksterism’.
Unless EVERY trace of Judaism is consigned to the cesspit of history, we are doomed. Well we are fucked already, so it’s moot. You could keep some Judaic ethics, but they must be universalised, not kept as ‘Jews only’ as now.
More telling than what the author advocates is what he takes for granted. He repeats the word “human” 39 times. The assumption seems to be that humans must have some kind of unity, shared purpose or values. This is not the case. Natural history shows that a successful species radiates into many diverse branches.
Lawrence comes teasingly close to making an important insight here:
The problem should be obvious — you can’t embrace those whose values are fundamentally at odds with your own. This seems to be true irony: he really doesn’t get it.
Herodotus had a lot to say in the early chapters of the Histories about the cultural diversity he saw in Scythia, Egypt and Anatolia. This is a prelude to the devastating war between the Greeks and the Persians that concerns the later part of the book. Draw your own conclusions.
Humanism is the stale residue of Christian compassion. Nietzsche urged us be rid of it. The good must become better by ceasing to pity the bad.
Dragqueen is just another brainwashed, racist, Sinophobe, angry beyond belief that a non-Western state has outdone the Chosen People of the West.
Look at Western music. Reached a few peaks, up until the 20th century, then it’s been downhill all the way. From Bach to Glass. Similarly in painting, from Turner to Damian Hirst. Sculpture, from Michelangelo to Giacometti. Basically a descent from universalism to self-obsessed introversion.
Literature has not fallen so far, but there ain’t no Dostoevskys about anymore. Once art became primarily a means for display and investment by the rich, it was game over. The average drone asks of a work or art, ‘How much did it cost?’
Photography began the process of sundering the object from the observer. Need one say how alienated we are now, from reality? With ‘AI’ about to deliver the coup de grace, if ecological collapse doesn’t do it first.
Philippians 2:3
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.
Words of wisdom, written by St. Paul 2,000 years ago, offer the medicine for healing the sickness of bigotry and strife. Knowledge is power and a good thing, a blessing gifted to the West. But, humanity has a great talent of taking a blessing and turning it into a curse, a good and beautiful thing into a disaster.
For example… Turn a beautiful pregnancy into an abortion, killing the baby. Use your gift of writing to blaspheme a la laurent guyenot. Turn an amazing aeroplane into a missile and slam it into a tower, killing thousands. And so on and on.
In fact, you can turn almost anything into a curse if you have evil intentions. The solution for humanity, East or West, North or South, is to abandon evil and do good, reject falsities but embrace the Truth. But, you might say, what is Truth? Who will show us the good?
I John 4
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
The trouble is I do. I also know calling citizens consumers is a tactic but you don’t have to see it. Like all warfare, the specifics are not spelled out. It comes out in the results.
‘The Enlightenment’s ideals — humanism, rational thought, natural law, toleration, “liberty, equality, fraternity,†and so on — are what we in the West can bring to the world.’ — Patrick Lawrence
It is painfully clear that the little west Asian nation of Israel is deeply non-Western. It never experienced an Enlightenment — nor even, in the previous century, a Civil Rights revolution as did the US.
Israel still hews to a tribal worldview and a violent ethnic-supremacist moral code from 2,500 years ago. Tragically, Israel’s cultural poison infected the West via the inclusion of the Old Testament in the Christian Bible.
To have any meaning, Patrick Lawrence’s project of ‘re-Westernizing’ must start with a clear-cut declaration that the insidious Hebrew values of the Old Testament are incompatible with western civilization. Christianity must either repudiate the Tanakh as toxic to our values, or itself be marginalized and phased out as a subversive Asiatic cult that enables and facilitates Jewish depredations.
My wife recently ordered some “Old” magazines with the intent of cutting images and pages out for an art project.
For a dollar each,we received a stack of “The American West” magazines.
As we read them,we realized they would not be cut in to pieces.
The American West- The Magazine of Western (Western USA) History. Circa 1969/70.
Profiling the American Dream,History.
One of many telling pieces in the January 1970/Volume VII,Number 1 issue is “An Escape From Paranoia”.
And an excerpt from another piece,” A State Of Insurrection & Rebellion”;
“The pattern is a familiar one: People,convinced that their government has failed them,take to the streets;violence ensues…..It has been going on so long that one is justified in questioning the theory that man is a learning animal.But the knowledge that one is part of a heritage is little comfort in the face of a bayonet;bayonets make one think of the fragility of one’s flesh,not history”.
The “Western World” has been assumed a bastion of strength. Fragility may prove to be an overwelming driver.
The propensity to “De-Westernize”,a change of mind has always been present.A heritical outlook.
I would also note other emerging recognitions of that 70’s era- environmental awareness,The Limits To Growth,Spaceship Earth concept.
Works such as “Decadence” by Jim Hougan 1975.
“And so-incapable of resurrecting the past,and unable to affect the future-we’re left in the present with the evidence of our decline.We become self-conscious and detached,morbid students of the national pathology.The certainty of our fate-the inevitability of America- renders us aloof and,in doing so,generates a clarity which,because it is impotent,finds itself in irony.Decadence is always radical;it eats at the roots.It is ,of course,easier to be decadent in America than anywhere else.”
My peronally autographed “Naked Emperors- Essays of a Taboo-Stalker”; Garret Hardin is cherished.Garrett was derided by many.His work proved to be a clear introducton to a near future of a banquet of consequences.
I was introduced to Garret Hardin via the editor of Outdoor Life magazine.
The author is saying that if you, the reader, try to defend yourself, then political establishment on all levels should prevent a successful defense. While you are being driven from life, you should contemplate:
This is a koan, a statement such as “the sound of one hand clapping”, used to end logical thinking. The original koans were intended to free the reflexive mind (which is rapid) from the conscious mind, which is slow and unsuited to, say, archery, but is suited to imposing social norms and planning.
Lawrence’s koan, however, is intended to prevent any actions taken in self-preservation. Here is an example of its effect in real life: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/absolute-hell-german-teacher-describes-sexism-bullying-racism-predominately-migrant
Note that Lawrence does not say that:
That is, his adjuration does not apply to all humans, just “Westerners”, and apparently not to Lawrence.
When the Western bully in the Middle East thinks only of destroying and killing and the Ukrainian bully only succeeds in depopulating his own nation with sadistic pleasure, in the end everything has resulted in a return to the beginning with the white West killing all over the world, in reality one can only speak of the lack of true Western values.
Unless one considers Hollywood fantasies to be such.
When I began reading this article, after having read the previous, I thought that it was very strange to believe that “de-westernizing” would somehow mean becoming more liberal, more universalist, more feminist, and more humanist, when all of those deranged ideologies are hallmarks of westernism and, in their actual instantiations, can be viewed as almost uniquely western. I thought that it was not only strange, but completely deluded and revealed a severe lack of historical knowledge on the part of Mr Lawrence. But, reading further to the buried lede, we see that Mr Lawrence is not at all interested in de-westernization, but instead in a revitalization and reification of westernism. But this will not happen. These western diseases will die with the west (and good riddance to them). Libtards like Patrick Lawrence are going to be sorely disappointed to find out that all of the values they hold dear will crumble very quickly in the post-western world (and, again, good riddance to it all).
Hate to break it to you, but being a libtarded humanist is about as western as it gets. So is entertaining delusions that you are “no longer truly western” or that you gained non-western perspective because you hung around with boot licking westernized Jap feminists (lol) in America’s nipponese slave colony.
And here we see Mr Lawrence’s true motive rear its ugly head. Not de-westernization in any sense, but bog standard western libtard chauvinism. As an aside, I should note that complaining about western libtardism not living up to its supposedly lofty ideals, and that real libtardism has never been tried, is another quintessentially western behavior that westerners have been engaging in for centuries. Unfortunately for Lawrence, the world does not want the poison that he is selling. To the extent that they adhere to any of these values currently, it is mostly under duress and coercion or merely a consequence of following the principle of “when in Rome, do as the Romans do” while living under the American world order. The West will die along with its alleged values, but Lawrence can at least take relief that when it finally croaks, at least one part of his values will be manifested, if only for a short time. The world will come together in fraternity, just like his enlightenment fantasies, and in the spirit of brotherhood they will piss on the grave of Patrick Lawrence and his ilk along with their supposedly enduring “values.” Then, afterwards, they will go back to being Muslims, Christians, voodoo cannibals, etc. and never mention his enlightenment garbage ever again.
Hey Pat: you should study some of the works and ideas of Gurdjieff. He was like …a hundred years ahead of you man.
In Herodotus’ time, the term Greek did not even exist. Neither he (his father was not Greek) nor Thucydides, the creator of scientific history, were Greeks. Draw your own conclusions.
Academic claptrap – the author in his travels has been coopted and brainwashed as he accuses the West of being. We need a return to true Western civilizational behaviors and norms. The dividing line between East and West is real and needs to be defended.
Yes, the whole essay is a great example of ‘Racial Cringe’.
Most charitably one could say that he spent so much time in Asia so that he entirely missed the Globalist subversion of the West and so fully that he’s definitely a part of it.
I was thinking more in terms of the speed of the wind and its malignant erosion. It must be hell!
Ironicposting? I mean everything about your picture proves the cultural dominance of the West. Young yuppie chinks wearing Western clothes standing in a pond using neo-impressionist style.
The West maybe shit and fully jewish right now but every economy mimics western economies ie Financialization. Style mimics Western style. Its one big joke is what it really is.
The West doesn’t need China. We need to remove the plaguing bio-masses so we can restart. Let the Chinese have the reigns to plastic existence.
Well, that’s a no-brainer. They were all Serbs, even though this race was then thousands of miles away on the steppes of Russia. But as Stalin ‘said’: ‘paper, including that used by Herodotus, will take anything written on it’.
Yes they did. Of course they did! Look:
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“Modern were simply too great to resist, with the result being the usual litany of complaints from the grievance industry“
No , the grievance industry rose in large part because the capitalist- mercantakilst- colonizers did not play by rules : Rules and expectations of the colonized, Rules that the colonizers prescribed to themselves.
No one is envious of current Japan or S Korea . No one wants to destroy them . No one wants to destroy Germany or Singapore or Switzerland .
But plenty wants to destroy UK and USA . Plenty did express that sentiment for centuries and decades .
Only in the modern times , privileges power and control have been usurped and misappropriated without responsibility to the conquered , powerless, and to those acquired by grabbing land .
The conquered and colonized pay labor taxes allow identity to be eroded and dignity destroyed without things in return.
And Modern is not western . West just happens to be the current place holder. That also mostly in technical and scientific realms .
Well the Chinese certainly see it that way, what with their huge export of capital and commodities (no doubt yielding higher rates of return than that capital can earn at home and the same for the price of the commodites) and the creation of ‘deals’ in which ‘market prices’ are paid for essential raw materials. Infrastructure is largely provided because it’s essential for the transport of the extracted raw materials. Sure, as a newcomer they give a marginally better deals than the ‘competition’, but that’s how markets work.
This is what one would expect from a nation essentially operating under Capitalistic norms, just like Britain before or the the rest of the trading world today. BTW, that’s why being under the heel of the British was (is today) recognised by the colonized as far better than that of the pre-capitalist Portuguese, Spanish and even the capitalistic Dutch whose imperial and industrial extent was far less than that of the British.
Humanism is the stale residue of ancient pagan philosophy, the ideas of which were absorbed into papism during the Renaissance.
Even the comments on this article read like a late night party of 100 stoned intellectuals…
Commiting the worst kind of thought crime,
……… in this sort of written and published discourse.
. that is, not only taking themselves seriously..
..but thinking normal people will also take them seriously.
Then you and Tiggy probably know when the Greeks came to Europe, where they came from and what they were called then? Let’s see if you have the courage (and knowledge) to answer? Tell us about the war between the Greeks and the Persians.
An excellent point.
Too many commenters speak of the West as if it was ALWAYS in the pre-eminent position that it has been for the last 200 years. They do not realise that the last 200 years has been an “aberration” in the longer term world history….as described by the eloquent Kishore Mahbubani
Thankfully for the Non West, the aberration is nearly at an end and returning to normal.
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Hey, I know how the Chinese can destroy their 5000 years of civilization with a generation or two…
Are you talking about the people who watched a long string of empires come and go?
Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Arabs, Ottomans, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, British. The Exceptional Empire will be the next entry in Chinese history books in the not too distant future.
You’ve never seen any hostility between the sexes in China? Obviously, you’re either joking or not very observant. There has never been a time period or place in human history that there wasn’t “hostility” between the sexes. Human nature. You might want to explain the demographic problems facing China due to low birth rates and masses of unmarried and unmarriagable men. A Chinese acquaintance explained to me that Chinese women only want a wealthy husband with a prestigious job. To pretend that along with tremendous technological advances, social difficulties haven’t hit China hard, is ridiculous. Not to say they won’t find a better way to handle it than we in the West (who decided to turn our women into whores and spinsters) have, but they’ve only just fallen into the rabbit hole.
He’s a typical white supremo garbage, that’s why. These Anglo-Zionist snobs think the world revolves around them.
Interesting subject, however, your supposition that western people should embrace worldwide diversity is a one way street. People around the world do not care about or respect us. We would only be exterminating ourselves by “embracing” the rest of the world. The effects of feminism, marxism, pornography, a rigid education system where the largess of the teachers union supercedes the actual teaching of children, giving our monetary system over to grifters and liars, wars for profit not defense, flooding the nation with drugs legal and illegal, which is a commercial enterprise not some mexican kid sneaking across the border, allowing ourselves to be led by ambitious bastards without a shred of decency or remorse, W for example, celebrating debauchery in popular culture, etc, etc. While we’re busy engaging in “diversity” the rest of the world is laughing at us and wondering how we could so easily destroy ourselves. Diversity is a two way street resulting from free association, not a mandate from grifters and perverts who have usurped our leadership. No thank you, I’ll keep my race and freedoms intact whether our enemies both foreign or domestic like it or not. Fuck the NWO.
Jews in general are not really part of humanity as we think of it. Jesus called them Satan’s children for a reason.
Interesting article, but I was struck at this line:
By all means, let’s get rid of ideology. But what to replace it with? The most reasonable choice would be theology, and the western worldview has been directly driven by Christianity. Yet the author does not mention Christianity even once. Our rabid embrace of liberalism (the ideology of suicide) has risen alongside the decline of our Christian heritage.
Surely this is what distinguishes the western from the non-western mind, and as we have moved away from Christianity our society has been falling apart. Seems an odd thing to avoid mentioning in an article like this.
Easy peasy, pudding and pie. Kiss the girls and make them cry.
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How are you going to “de-Westernize” yourself, Lawrence, if who you “think” you are is so off the mark? You really think the Enlightenment was based purely on humanism and rational thought? I guess that’s what most people think. So you’re just like a normie, duped again and again by a romantic notion of this so-called “Enlightenment” myth.
Wake the hell up, Lawrence, or you will continue to put out confused drivel such as this. Plumb the depths of your own history and you’ll be amazed at what you’ll find: what you will then realize is that, at the very foundation of Western thought, lies The Occult (much of it straight out of Jewish-Lurianic Kabbalah).
Take Newton, for example, one of the greatest scientist of all time (and also one of the greatest Aspies ever, to be sure). But the “father of modern science†actually spent more time trying to figure out the mysteries of alchemy than he did pumping out the “laws” he is famous for:
Well, though the quote is good at revealing what Newton tried to conceal, thus duping everyone down to the present age — including you, Lawrence — the author of that biography has the title completely wrong: Newton was definitely not the last Western sorcerer. To prove this, just take a look at the title of this Eric Voegelin essay: “On Hegel: a study in sorcery”.
Voegelin calls Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit — one of the books that most influenced modern Western thought — a “grimoire”, that is, a magical book, full of spells, charms, and occult knowledge. Here is Voegelin:
OK, Voegelin’s text is dense but we can see right away that, just like Newton, Hegel was trying to hide what he was doing: his “sleight-of-hand” was covering up his complete devotion to The Occult. Voegelin opened up the door to other studies of Hegel as sorcerer, especially in the fantastic book Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition, by Glenn Alexander Magee (it’s really worth the read!).
Now, is Lawrence even aware of the connection between what Hegel is doing above and what Lawrence himself does in this article? Does Lawrence understand that he, himself, is engaging in the same type of sorcery as Hegel? Or is he completely oblivious to the roots of his own thoughts? Is Lawrence a genius like Newton and Hegel, who is purposefully trying to hide his magic from us, or is Lawrence just an ignoramus, ignorant of the foundations of his own “reasoning”?
Because there is a clear connection between Voegelin’s critique of Hegel and Lawrence’s focus on “changing our minds” in this “De-Westernizing Ourselves” article. Both Lawrence and Hegel emphasize consciousness as the key to transforming reality, and Voegelin’s critique of Hegel could be applied to Lawrence’s article in a similar way.
Just as Hegel reduces reality to consciousness, Lawrence’s call for a “de-Westernization of consciousness” does the same: reality (the West-East division) becomes a mere construct of human thought which could be dissolved through a shift in consciousness — a “sleight-of-mind”, as it were. So Lawrence thinks that if individuals were to “change their minds” and rethink who they are, this mental shift alone would be able to bring about a reconfiguration of reality. You’re a sorcerer, Lawrence, just like Hegel! Except you don’t even know it yet.
What you are falling into, Lawrence, is this: a gnostic trap. Here is another book for you, Les sources occultes de la philosophie moderne (The Occult Sources of Modern Philosophy), by Alain Pascal, who says the following in a podcast:
To you, Lawrence, the complexity of human existence is reduced to a purely mental or ideological framework. Just like Hegel’s, your own grimoire is nothing but a violent destruction of reality. Like a Hegelian magician, you want to manipulate reality just by using your mind. Good luck with that! Stop simplifying the human condition, Lawrence — and dive into the real history of Western thought, which is a history whose very foundation is rooted in The Occult.
I am a Greek, writing from Athens. From our point of view the “West” consists of the English speaking world and the protestant rim of northern Europe.
Greece, Cyprus and Turkey have been falsely dragooned into “West” for Washington and London’s post-war geostrategic purposes – ie blocking Russia’s access to the Mediterranean – and kept there under a constant barrage of blows. Cyprus was divided by Washington/Turkey and despite having won a war against Britain, Britain kept 2 bases as sovereign territories – while today the US, Israel and UK abuse what remains of sovereign Cyprus to wage a genocidal war Cypriots absolutely do not support from Cypriot territory.
I remind you that worldly popes invaded Byzantium (the eastern Roman Empire being the Hellenes’ magnificent second, Christian civilisation) to loot and destroy it, in the same way the US/Israel invaded Iraq to loot and destroy it. Both sets of barbarians succeeded.
The West is a modern term, for a secular materialist hegemon split between the 2 important English speaking capitals. But ‘West’ becomes increasingly meaningless the further east and south you go on the European subcontinent – (where the English language doesn’t exist). Even propagandist Samuel Huntington acknowledged the civilisational divide cutting Europe in half, between the Orthodox east and Catholic secular west.
This West claims that it stands for Western Civilisation, and ridiculously claims the ancient Greeks’ civilisation as its own. At the same time its envy and antagonism towards the east persists in that Byzantium is entirely erased from West’s schoolbooks – amazingly, 1000 years of history! Byzantium only appears in obscure corners of West’s university curricula…Slavic studies…patristic theology….
What IS undoubtedly Western though is the “Enlightenment” which puts man and thus mammonism – instead of God – at the centre of its “philosophy”. That this was and still is rejected by the Orthodox world is the excuse for West’s contempt towards us as ‘backward’. (as if the increasingly and evidently ignorant West is somehow ‘forward’) – the assumption being that we have not heard of it, not that we rejected it.
We see the results of the “Enlightenment” today in yet another Western led genocide, in its astounding resource theft, in its total contempt for human life, ditto disrespect for any sort of civilisation itself, in the blind stupidity in its claim to superiority, in the endless barrage of lies, in the 100 year destruction of the near east, principally through its colony “Israel” which in fact has NO right to exist – a foreign people on stolen land, as the jews were in antiquity also and why they were finally banished.
It was the Christian faith as embodied in the Catholic Church that “humanised” the whole human race, Greek and Jew, man and woman, slave and master (the latter the root of the ending of slavery as an institution). It is the Protestant rebellion that has “westernised” the world. The Spanish Catholic missionaries (and armies) intermarried with the Aztecs and other tribes and gave us Mexico. The French Catholic missionaries intermarried with the local tribes in Canada. The Calvinistic Puritans from England who landed in Massachusetts Bay were incapable of recognising the North American Indians as human and began the westward drive to annihilate the local populations as part of their “mastery” of nature (including human nature). Thus began the death march of the Anglo-American empire through all the peoples based on domination not cooperation. That is where the Western world came from. Its final catastrophe is taking place right now in Palestine as the homicidal Judaeo-Christians (i.e., the Judaeo-Protestants) make their final push to annihilate the “Indians”. Patrick Lawrence is not a Westerner – “Westerner” is not a valid category of human identity but an unending imposition on the rest of the world.
Sorry to break the news to you like this, old fruit, but it really does!
The 50 cent army is strong in this thread.
China is so advanced it needs to steal Western tech (i.e. imagination) in order to survive.
Herodotus offers some fascinating insights that support this claim. Why not throw in a Talmudic quote to make it even more persuasive? I think there’s more to it than meets the eye.
The statement is often used to justify the erasure or appropriation of cultural practices or traditions. Depending on the context, it is also used to promote a globalist agenda or cultural relativism, arguing that all cultures are equally valid and that there is no universal standard for judging them.
Great article, no way. Tedious flatulent rubbish.
It reads much the same as a statement by Jorge Bergoglio. That so many commenters here take it at all seriously is a surprise to me.
“We hear a lot these days about inclusivity and diversity. We hear so much about these things it is difficult to take these words seriously.”
You had better take it seriously. The Jews in charge of the country/zeitgeist, at the point of Federal gun barrels, IRS audits move the goal posts/Overton Window on command. If Darth JEW Vader “finds your lack of faith disturbing”, you will be choked out financially, marginalized by your friends and family, ostracized by your coworkers and relegated to a future in lawn care.
“This requires not merely accepting but embracing true diversity and true inclusion, and this means, in turn, embracing those who may not think at all like us, or whose values are fundamentally at odds with ours.”
Ya wanna quote Neitzche? “Beauty no accident. — The beauty of a race or a family, their grace and graciousness in all gestures, is won by work: like genius, it is the end result of the accumulated work of generations. One must have made great sacrifices to good taste, one must have done much and omitted much, for its sake.”
Perspective is good. This article, above all, encourages INTROSPECTION. That dovetails nicely with being “locked down”. I recommend “The Silk Roads” (A New History of The World) by the ironically named, Peter Frankopan. You will soon, white boy, be able to read it stir for your thought crimes and if lucky, the Jew Screws might let you wallpaper your cell with this article.
What a fuck’n joke. Traditional everyday white Americans, assaulted on all sides by innominate Federal bureaucrats, agencies and policies designed to replace, destroy, incarcerate or, even better kill them, should grab the blade of the sword and slice their hands while joyfully pulling it into their chests.
“And we can then see that the unity and integration of the present-day People’s Republic is a great achievement..” There was that pesky 60 million dead Tai Ping Rebellion, Mau’s murder of millions which included his 1966 “Cultural Revolution” fuck’n nightmare that we Americans are all supposed to willingly participate in today. NOTHING will get ya more street cred than an extemporaneous self imposed “struggle session” at a random feminist book club meeting.
We are a light year past bullshit in this country. Many of us expect riots, chaos, war, economic disasters especially if the Jews decide that Trump is the best way forward for total control of the U.S. government.
Fuck walking in the other guy’s shoes and fuck the Jews.
My favorite Jew is Disraeli. I imagine myself sliding the blade of that sword into his back and remembering to never apologize, never complain and never explain.
This article operates from a false premise, as does the left. It assumes that the former western countries are stable places and the current momentum will continue forever.
The former western countries are headed for a split.
The historical direction of “western development” “the great conversation” and the eventual reason-based expansion of humanity out of this environment, over the last 2,500 years, aren’t going to be stopped by a silly gaggle of bankers and movie moguls.
There is an effort of course to destroy it. This effort will lead to secession movements and some new countries.
There does need to be renewals of the original ideals – struggles, wars, dark times.
Tick tock.
I should add also that “THe Enlightenment” does not really exist, and is more a function of technology combined with lifestyle. When women have time to care and to read about horrible things happening to people elsewhere, then they pretend to give a shit. That is not “enlightenment.” That is boredom.
Not bad, but a stream of consciousness. I would recommend Ricardo Duchesne:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280091493_Review_of_Civilization_The_Six_Ways_the_West_Beat_the_Rest
Civilization: The Six Ways the West Beat the Rest
My friend, I am extremely happy that someone from Greece has entered the conversation.
You are from an ancient glorious civilisation that everyone in the world acknowledges for its genius and contributions to humanity.
I have many times told those who call themselves Westerners and claiming descent from Greece, that they have no business usurping the glories of Greece.
Especially when at the same time, they looked upon South Europeans with disdain.
They constantly talk about fighting against the Muslims in the Crusades, but forget the horrors they inflicted in Constantinople along the way.
I surely hope to hear more of your valuable perspectives in future.
WE are being de-Westernized for the simple reason that the Jewish war on the White European people is succeeding; and it is anti-Semitism to not only to complain, but to even mention it.
another duginist shill who doesn’t name the jew, just what this site needs
Its a pity that the Hindus in India, the Taoists and Confucians in China, the Zen Buddhists in Japan, the Muslims in Indonesia are not considered “humanised”.
They would be so disappointed.
Thanks, I love all of these attempts at re-creation, but in a sense they are all fake.
A favourite recording is of court music from Korea a thousand years ago.
Likewise, I enjoy the live re-creations of court music seen both here and in Seoul (performances at the national folk/trad. music centre there are great).
A small and little-known item of Korea-Japan diplomatic conflict is that Japan seized many manuscripts to do with court music a hundred or so years ago and refuses to return them.
However, we have no idea how it really sounded.
There was no nearly accurate notation.
Japanese enka is certainly descended from Korean pansori, but the latter only has a history of three hundred or so years.
Taking a famous example from Europe, Carmina Burana has some attempts at musical notation in places, but not nearly precise enough to know anything of how any of it was peformed at the time.
One thing is for sure, Carl Orff’s Carmina Burana sounds nothing like how his inspiration had been performed many centuries earlier, although AFAIK, he never claimed it did.
Really, until roughly times around those of Purcell and Monteverdi, notation if any was too sloppy or non-existant to have any faith in a modern re-creation having any close resemblance to the original.
Interesting, yet poignant, that the key word “corruption”, which tends to be an important factor influencing societal development, was not mentioned in this lofty speech.
Just take a look at the colors of 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index map, or note the accompanying ranking, to see one major difference between “The West” and “The Rest“:
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023
LOL.
First it was
1. Chinese can’t make sophisticated products. When that was proven wrong, it became
2. Chinese can’t make quality products. When that was proven wrong, it became
3. Chinese can’t innovate. When that was proven wrong, it now becomes
4. Chinese don’t have imagination.
Your brand of Copium is really effective.
It deserves a five star review on Amazon.
One must disagree. Historians have been saying for more than a decade that there’s no Western or Eastern culture anymore, there’s world culture. There’s a Western bloc but that’s administrative bullshit of no meaning to the subject population.
Rule of law at the international level simply codifies Kant’s categorical imperative, and Kant is probably the central thinker of European civilization. Does it matter that the East and South now get Kant better than the land of his birth? I think not.
World culture incorporated Kant, Grotius, Bentham, Hutchins and other useful Europeans. World culture backed the Small Five, even Liechtenstein and Switzerland, against the USA. It incorporated Nkrumah and Cabral and Nyerere and Saro-Wiwa and Fanon and Mao and Giap and Lenin. Now it’s ours.
Our problem is not that we’re Western. Our problem is, we’re subject to a criminal impunity regime, the CIA. String those batshit fuckers up and we’re good.
The Western sun is setting. As a westerner, I am sad but see it better for humanity.
It did not have to be this way. If there were no Jews and no Israel, the world would be more at peace and the West would be more true to itself.
Lawrence, as always, makes brilliant observations. I’m left in a fog, though, wondering where he’s taking us.
Is he equating Westernism with Modernism? Is he equating Modernism with Materialism? Is he placing the Enlightenment at the starting point of all three? If he’s doing any of these three, then he’s got a lot more explaining to do.
Speaking of blindness, I’m wondering where Christendom fits into his campaign to rid ourselves of Westernism. Christ cured the man born blind and once the man could see, the rulers wanted him to condemn Christ. All the man could say was, “I know not whether he is from Satan. All I know is that I was blind and now I see.”
Once we see again, what will we know?
I am totally confused…
WHY…?
Mr Lawrence, what is going on?
An entire article WITHOUT bringing up the NAZIS, those evil, evil, evil, evil (…) NAZIS doin`their evil Nazi-things against GOOD Guys (like you and other higly moral/intelligent people) ?
WHY…?
Are you doing ok, everything alright?
And so many opportunities missed…:
Don`t you know that of course your much cited Friedrich Nietzsche was a MAJOR inspiration for `em NAZIS, his Uebermensch and Untermensch (Jenseits von Gut und Böse/ Also Sprach Zarathustra) concepts DIRECTLY taken over by them and leading to Gassing of Millions/Trillions..
And his buddy Dick Wagner was an evil NAZI of course too…just see his Ring der Nibelungen and comments about Jews…
And the whole evil western supremacy idea, wasn`t that EXACTLY what those nastiest NAZIS most of all in history did, their evil Herrenrasse/Aryan/Western/Northern race the greatest evil ever committed, all documented in Mein Krampf and other secret documents?
And the mentioned current crimes of Israelis, does this not mean that they are now NAZIS, doing exactly what the NAZIS did?
Don`t you know that Silence in the face of (NAZI) evil is abetting/becoming it?
Please…., do not become a NAZI yourself!
Speak out…
Next time again, ok?
I’m sure you’ve heard of the 1,400-year-long genocide of Christians by the Islamic hordes. Islam is also a bit of a plague, if I may say so. It’s not really a religion, but more of an ideological and political blueprint to conquer or slaughter the “unfaithful.” Should not that be obvious to everyone with an Internet connection?
I dunno. I skimmed thru it rapidly before reading it.
I may have overlooked….but I saw not one mention of the jew.
Bye.
Gee. Sorry you’re so surprised all the time.
Soft, narcissistic simp.
Fuck all you weak whiny faggots.
This country is fucked. There’s a storm comin.
Immense imbecility and stupidity will be the precursor.
Apropos of something.
Hyman Brown and – Rodney.
They must reveal their intentions.
911. Do you think Hyman is a Freemason?
I do.
BLM Rodney. (They) Can’t help themselves.
The evil truth must be foretold . Radio Drama.
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Quite so. What I find encouraging though, is that people are taking their traditions seriously enough to try to recreate their past music.
Though myself I like it when the mix it up a little and bring in cross cultural and modern influences….. The same studio that that made the earlier video I attached makes other fun stuff. I attach 2 for you:
1. It is their rendition of the Malay/Indonesian song Rasa Sayang
2. This one I find particularly delightful because of its playfulness. I smile whenever the coloratura part starts.
An important article as there is some meat to debate.
One problem is looking to the Enlightenment for answers and a model, as the Enlightenment was deployed by the Venetian oligarchy to attack scientific breakthroughs of the Renaissance, and against the breakthroughs of Cusa.
Relative to this this issues between the west and China it this from the linked article may be of import. Written by an American, who was a political prisoner for years, Michael O. Billington, writes:
Of course the back story on attacks on Leibniz does take us to the present age. How the Enlightenment became the the means of oligarchic theater that and where entropy is the only thing
cultivated is narcissistic rage…
Good God is this man an idiot, ignorant or intentionally deceptive? Not a mention of the communist JEWS and Frankfurt Marxist Jews (Marx) intentional subversion of Western Values as “evil white supremacy†and “nazi†as well as the subversion and weaponization of anthropology (Boas). Not a mention of the Jews constant war making and attempted subjugation of everyone they encounter in every country with debt slavery. Nor the Jewish subversion of Christianity and their media control that LIES about WESTERN history! Like the Jews stated in the protocols of Zion, they would use pseudoscience in our universities to destroy us! As Jewish Jeffrey Goldberg wrote in the Atlantic:
“It’s become clear to me that the Fox commentator Glenn Beck has something of a Jewish problem. Actually, he has something of a modernity problem, and people with modernity problems tend to have problems with Jews, who more or less invented modernity (Einstein, Marx, Freud, Franz Boas, etc.)â€
Then we have Jew Neal Gabler bragging that Jew Hollywood “devoured traditional American culture and replaced it with something that wasn’t even real†in “An Empire of their own: How the Jews Invented Hollywoodâ€.
Lawrence also fails to mention things like African cannibalism, clitoridectomies, forced oral sex from African elders on their youth believing their semen made them men and many other ass backwards beliefs held by non-Westeners that Westerners may have felt inclined to rectify.
If I have more time I will expound on the nonsense of Patrick’s bullshit but for now I must return to work.
Not the ‘hostility’ most folks cognizant of this sort of thing mean. What you are describing is a universal trait of women–i.e., the desire for high status, material wealth, and so forth. This is not hostility. Certainly not within the context of Western feminism, where women hate men for being men, and blame men for their own psychological problems and inability to cope. That was what I was talking about, and what I presumed the original commenter was referencing. Chinese men, like all men, complain about the material prerequisite of women, but again that is not deep rooted feminist hostility.
A funny but poignant example of this sort of female material quest (again, which does not represent gender hostility, but rather flows from a transient economic angle), was the now famous in China quip by Ma Nuo, game show contestant… when asked whether she’d be interested and happy dating a less than rich man who could only afford a bike, Miss Ma replied without hesitation that she’d rather cry in a BMW than be happy on a bicycle. Her reply did not represent anger or hostility toward men, but was simply what all women (or most women) desire.
That is all I was trying to say. BTW, thanks for calling me out anent my unobservant ways. I am always happy to learn from others, or clarify my position. And thanks for not calling me an idiot, like that other guy.
The Islamic hordes are doing a terrible job at genociding Christians.
In that time, the “genocided” Christians have gone on to dominate 4 out of 6 of the world’s habitable continents.
The Islamic hordes need a new teacher. Who would their best teacher be?
1. The Spanish Conquistadors that destroyed the Aztecs and Inca with steel and pestilence?
2. The US who confined the Amerindians into reservations after grabbing their lands?
3. The Brits who declared Australia “Terra Nullius” and stole it from the Aborigines?
4. The Dutch who colonised the Indonesian archipelago?
5. The Crusaders that massacred Christians in Byzantium on the way to the Holy Lands?
Its a hard choice. Which one do you pick?
Steve Jobs gave new things to a world that is addicted to novelty, change, sensation, and excitement. That is what the modern “Western” world is. Perhaps it would be nice to content ourselves with “values,” but we’ve moved beyond them. We’ve “transcended” them. It’s novelty, change, “progress” and “forward” motion that keep the world going. Maybe that was Nietzsche’s true message. In a dynamic, changing world, “steady states” and unchanging conditions don’t last, either in the material world or in the world of ideas and values. Was Nietzsche really going to give the West or the world new values or just destroy values and dismiss them as illusions and masks for power?
So it is with “the Enlightenment.” You may think of Voltaire at Ferney, or Jefferson at Monticello, or even Rousseau on his island, but what we got from the Enlightenment was science, technology and mass society. Voltaire and Jefferson look like Chinese sages whose world would be overturned by new technologies. Control passed from rural gentlemen to urban industrialists and intellectuals. Maybe environmentalism and green socialism will lead us back to a static world, but the human desire for sensation, novelty, and change will take new forms and break up the stable order.
China is U.S.-made. Had it not been for the “greed” of western corporations, those who shipped American jobs and industry to China, China would still be poor and “watching” from the sidelines.
China is equally complicit in the decline of the U.S. China got “greedy” too and took part in the “Western” game. It had its finger on the trigger no less than the greedy Western elites.
The result has been China’s gain and Western decline. Gee, who would have thunk it?
I’m sure you’ve noticed that the world has changed a lot since the Spanish conquistadors defeated the Aztecs and Incas, who were cannibals. This includes Islam, too. Mullahs have come up with new weapons to achieve their goal of world domination. The womb of the Islamic woman is among the most powerful and the mullahs openly brag about it.
My mother tells me that Lorong Buangkok (she may be incorrect on placename) is under pressure from the S’pore government, it seems to be one of the last remaining kampongs, also where my younger brother and I had many happy hours.
Never had a place-name to me. Just the kampong where some of my school-frIends lived.
Since I don’t live there now, and you do, I request that you at least find out what is happening, perhaps a little more if you find it right.
As for the music, of course I will listen.
The forced distinction drives me nuts.
After WWII, all Germans (and their unborn children) were punished by the Jews for the actions of a few.
After the Gazacaust, only now is when nuance matters and we have to fall over ourselves separating the Jews from the Zionists, to make sure we’re talking about only the most-evil members of a historically-villainous organization.
And even then there’s no holding them accountable because genocide is an acceptable Talmudic form of self-defense so the entire exercise is a meaningless waste of time, allowing them to make gains while we are burdened with arbitrary mental hurdles.
In the end their donations and tithes all end up funneled through the same national fund that supports Israel so the distinction really doesn’t matter. All Jews benefit from dual citizenship and land up for grabs. All are complicit in its crimes.
If we held to Israel’s standards of collateral damage we’d bulldoze Williamsburg in self-defense and insist there might have been a Zionist among them using the rest as human shields.
The Etruscans were Servs, just like the Annunaki.
The terms “West” and “Western world” were invented, or at least are promoted, by Jews. We should call our civilization “Christendom”, which explicitly excludes them. And, of course, we should take actual measures to exclude them.
Thanks for the laugh. Your idiot chart, of course, is predicated on GDP remaining constant for it’s effect. The creation of the modern world by the White minority in the West and their sharing of that technology with the third world has enabled even India’s street shitters to be at least marginally productive, and any day now, Africa will invent the wheel.
“If we held to Israel’s standards of collateral damage we’d bulldoze Williamsburg in self-defense and insist there might have been a Zionist among them using the rest as human shields.â€
Let’s do it! Great idea! The Jews have demanded equality. Make sure they get what they deserve.
Leftist exploiting the people in Gaza to attack the West:
So it’s “the West” attacking Gaza, not Jews and the Jewish media bosses who control Washington. The word Jew doesn’t even appear, in a 3,800-word article about Israel and Gaza. When the Israeli government even includes parties with the names “Jewish Power,” “United Torah Judaism” and “Religious Zionist Party.”
(Wikipedia’s page for the government hides the name Jewish Power by only writing it in Hebrew, Otzma Yehudit, while the rest are written in English.)
And we must “de-Westernize” our thought. And the West doesn’t actually exist.
This is simply a sneakier way to say that Whites don’t exist. That’s what Patrick Lawrence really wants to say.
“It is painfully clear that the little west Asian nation of Israel is deeply non-Western.
…
Israel still hews to a tribal worldview and a violent ethnic-supremacist moral code from 2,500 years ago.”
Equally valid for most Jews in the “diaspora.” It is “Jerusalem versus Athens” as Atzmon wrote.
If liars control the words, you can learn the truth only by experience. Western media/academia are run by Jews & globalists and promoted the cult of Diversity-is-great and ‘racism’-is-evil. Most Whites took them at their word and only now learn thru experience that it’s all BS.
If reality and words are in sync, you don’t need experience to learn.
But if reality and words are out-of-sync, you need the experience to know the truth, but then, it may be too late.
‘Tiger is dangerous’ is reality and word in sync. You don’t need to encounter a tiger to know the truth.
‘Tiger is friendly’ is reality and word out-of-sync. By the time you learn via the encounter, it’s too late.
Jews control the words, which most people rely on. So, most people aren’t in touch with reality.
Those who know the reality often learned by experience.
The West is divided between those of False Words and those of True Reality.
“Western media/academia are run by Jews & globalists and promoted the cult of Diversity-is-great and ‘racism’-is-evil. Most Whites took them at their word and only now learn thru experience that it’s all BS.”
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Modern world runs on pop music, sports culture, celebrity, and sex. Blacks dominate rap. Blacks dominate sports. Blacks have big celebrity personalities. And blacks got bouncy butts and big dongs. White people naturally look to blacks as the superior race.
No, it totally makes sense. Jews made Jew-Negro-Homo into the new trinity. Jews represent forever Anne-Frank, blacks represent music-slavery-soul, and homos represent rainbow. The Irish accepted this new cult, so live with it.
Giving them the equality they deserve would involve the Maribel Boatlift Express departing from the heart of Africa with nonstop service to Tel Aviv.
The only way for Israel to survive is by embracing multiculturalism. Diversity is their strength, so maybe we should stop shipping them expensive missiles and just send them some minorities.
And it is!
This guy’s take could be called “de-westernization for dummies” not that I imply anyone at TUR is a dummy.
Deserves the “Gold Border”.
Thanks for your post CG. I’m only responding because only very recently this very question came up in my own reading. It’s a fascinating subject, and you are right. For the most part they have only fragmentary information about past ancient music, some being more complete fragments than others, but still fragments, in regards to both the lyrics and the musical notation.
There is a rare instance in regards to the Greek ‘Seikilos epitaph’ discovered on a stele, and dated to the 1st or 2nd century AD, where they have both the complete Greek lyrics and the complete ancient Greek musical notations included, notations which in this instance they indeed know how to read and accurately play.
The Seikilos Epitaph was performed below at National Chengchi University in Taipei. [The words and music are believed to have been written by a husband to honor the memory of his deceased wife. Short, but powerful.]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikilos_epitaph
‘While you live, shine
have no grief at all
life exists only for a short while
and Time demands his due.’
THE JEW did 9/11…
And you cannot “NAME THE JEW”.
The article is not about who influences you, it is about you becoming able to self reflection.
The womb of the Islamic woman is among the most powerful and the mullahs openly brag about it.
“world moves on a Woman’s hips
world moves and it swivels and bops
world moves on a women’s hips
world moves and it bounces and hops!”
The womb of the Islamic woman is among the most powerful and the mullahs openly brag about it.
Are you a jealous tranny?
The distinction asserted here, between the “selfâ€-styled “Modern†and the entirely imaginary “pre-Modern†or “Non-Modern†worlds, exists only in the feverish dreams of those muddling around in what they like to think of as the former. The actual “divide†turns out instead, though, to be strictly between domesticated and Free Wild Kinds. Among domesticated Humans of-course there is a learned preference-for and then an adamant insistence-upon the supposed-to-be more flattering label “civilized,†as they religiously maintain that only “lesser†Kinds can be subjected to the systematic and systemic degradations of domestication….and that only as effected exclusively by the manipulations of their own “superior†“selfs†upon those Kinds arbitrarily, and erroneously, relegated to the ranks of the “inferior.â€
The “Modern†conceit is itself nothing but a “modern†confabulation. It studiously ignores the Natural Fact of several previous outbreaks of the world-wasting “civilization†disease here in the LivingLoving Arrangement of Earth and Sky. It pretends that this latter-day “Western†iteration is by all discernible measures far-and-away the most advanced and sophisticated and nearest-to-perfection ever.
Meanwhile, us surviving Free Wild Peoples of every Kind, having already been through these earlier bouts, can say without reservation that this present “mutant†variation is easily the crudest and clumsiest and most desperately degenerate of them all. Simply witness, as we do, how it is that these “Moderns†are still stuck with MADly throwing rocks and sticks at each other as they play their zero-sum “game†of “king -of-the-hillâ€â€¦.to its inevitably DEAD END conclusion.
So is it any wonder that here in Indian Country everywhere we chose instinctively to go without all “the advantages†which “the West†is right now on the verge of enjoying about as much of as its captive constituents can stand. We’ll see all you erstwhile “Moderns†soon….in Recovery.
Jews are not superhuman. They don’t have magical powers that allow them to take over and destroy any country they want. Western countries just have a specific psychology that Jews are easily able to exploit.
It’s funny that turbo-zionist Gad Saad wants Zionists to move to China, though, considering China has one of the most anti-Israel populations on earth and their government has officially recognized Palestine for decades. The west bends over backwards to give Jews everything they could want, yet it is never enough for them.
Thanks for bringing Voegelin into the discussion. But the text you quoted, fascinating though it be, is not the end of the Voegelin/Hegel matrix. Nor can Hegel’s thought be neatly avoided by Magee-like researches into the occult.
Hegel above all wanted to re-apprise his readers into the “uncanny” dimensions of recognizing that we are self-conscious. Our language, our metaphysics, are all based on a contemplative model: the object is out there to be examined. But with a recognition of our simultaneous self-consciousness makes the exposition much more complex, to say the least. And Voegelin seemed to realize he had failed in his attempted dismissal of Hegel: there is first of all the famous exchange with Altizer, and finally he was working on yet another grappling with Hegel at the time of his death.
Reason as the rose in the cross of the present is indeed a Rosicrucian motif, but Reason for Hegel is a capacity developed on the far side of the life-and-death struggle for recognition–it is not simple contemplative deduction.
Complete nonsense. Everything “Western” is a direct product of the judaizing pagan philosopher Thomas Aquinas.
Who do you think “western tech” companies employ? The most successful “Western tech” companies are all something like 50% Chinese.
you are only trying to provoke a response. read the Holy Bible in the proper context. whoever does the work of satan consistently and in persistence, Jew or gentile, risks becoming the child of the evil one. like father, like son.
in Christ, there’s neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor master, male nor female, rich nor poor, but we all are one new creation, children of God, citizens of Heaven, a royal priesthood, and slaves of Christ.
“the Maribel Boatlift Express departing from the heart of Africa with nonstop service to Tel Aviv.
The only way for Israel to survive is by embracing multiculturalism. Diversity is their strength, so maybe we should stop shipping them expensive missiles and just send them some minorities.”
That would be patently unfair to the Palestinians. Instead make that:
… the El Al-Maribel Express departing from Tel Aviv with nonstop service to the heart of Africa.nonstop service to Tel Aviv.
The only way for the Israelis to survive is by embracing multiculturalism and the Africans can benefit from te civilizing effcet of a judaic minority. Diversity is the Jews’ strength, so maybe we should stop shipping them expensive missiles and instead just send them to Africa.
Wouldn’t they be better off if they actually did?
… riding the coattails of Europeans!
Bike-anarchist, 112 poses a dilemma: are you full of shit to the hairline, or are you simply fully vaccinated to mental inanition? Jew cutouts eagerly did their part for 911, skyscraper and transit demolitions from their Fort Lee base – while Wilshire’s shop infiltrated the scary flying terrorists, CIA’s focal points in MITRE blinded the FAA/DoD emergency link with a registered Saudi terrorist, and Brennan thwarted law enforcement. CIA ran 911. No other entity had the requisite precise control.
If you don’t understand the implications of CIA’s municipal-law impunity and concomitant arbitrary power, you are even stupider than Jews think goys are.
1. 250 Spanish Conquistadors defeated the Aztecs because they allied with the Mayas who were being enslaved and murdered by the Aztecs.
2. Indian tribes who lived peacefully with Whites, intermarried with them or were given huge lands to live on.
3. There were a handful of stone age Aborigines in Australia, barely feeding themselves. The Brits saved them.
4. The Dutch were businessmen who made lucrative deals with local tribes.
5. Eastern Romans (Byzantines) were sold out by specific states, looting took place, but the real massacres were committed by Ottoman Turks.
Thank you. Lawrence is a half-educated, preening fool addicted to grandiosity and name-dropping. Everything of his that Unz has picked up has been utter poppycock. This superficial and interminable essay might be his worst yet.
What’s more, as the initial comment and the equally highfalutin responses to it illustrate—not to overlook the moronic retort to your comment from another vocabulary-challenged newbie—superficial and grandiose essayists find an eager audience in commenters cut from the same cloth.
Examples of ‘invention’ by the Chinese (or the Japanese for that matter)? Inventions by Europeans (and the American offshoot) … everything in the modern World, without exception. Aside: anyone who uses the word ‘innovate’ or ‘innovation’ should be summarily executed.
No thanks. It’s crazy enough in this world without choosing to enter the zany world created by the mind of a madman.
The West as Empire of Judea produces ‘leaders’ like this: Spineless slugs.
Great comment. If Lawrence really wants a non-western perspective, he should turn to Orthodox critics of the West, who offer the most incisive refutations of the western worldview. But he is not interested in a real criticism of the West, which is why he chooses Jap liberals who have been completely psychologically hijacked and subjugated by western domination as his source for “non-western” perspective. Using this “alternative perspective” provided by his deferential and doting Jap slaves, libtard Lawrence concludes that the west needs to become even more western (what a surprise!).
Going in, I thought this essay could have been interesting, but it just turned out to be standard libtard boilerplate.
India benefited greatly from Colonization not the least of which was they gained a common language, English, allowing them to communicate among themselves, as opposed to the countless languages they had previously, and with the world today as part of the global tech economy.
And who knows how much more damage the Muslims would have done without the British there somewhat moderating their destructive impact.
As I suspected neither Tiggy nor JM nor Rupie can answer the questions. Will it quell their arrogance and patronization without cover? I doubt it.
But still, as good connoisseurs of Herodotus, I will give them another chance. Herodotus wrote that the Thracians are the biggest nation in the world after the Indians. What happened to the Thracians that they disappeared from the face of the earth overnight without a trace? History says nothing. Is there perhaps some linguistic trace left, a toponym, anything? How is it possible for a language to completely disappear? What does wiki say?
So, the language is unknown, but it is generally agreed that it was an Indo-European language. LOL.
Weird. Perhaps at least one of the aforementioned three will offer at least something logical if not true?
Absurd. Many “European” (and colonial offshoot) inventions since the early-mid 20th century have been made by non-Europeans and immigrants (East Asians, Indians, Jews, Arabs, etc.). Probably the most important example is the MOSFET.
Western supremacists have their own “magic dirt” theory, by which foreigners who move to the west suddenly gain the inventiveness that they supposedly lack in their native lands, and through the alchemy of this magic dirt, all of the contributions they make while living in the West can be attributed to Europeans.
Moshe, here, naturally does not care a fig about the tens of millions starved to death, often deliberately, in India, by the English. They were, after all, just fucking goyim. The British looted TRILLIONS from India, which he undoubtedly also admires.
The Goy Boys.
You confuse China with South Korea and Japan. Not to say modernization hasn’t caused divorce to shoot up. But most of why young Chinese don’t get married as much as before is because China still has traditional culture where children are expected to care for elderly parents and sons are expected to own property before marrying. Real estate prices are high now.
The rest of what you said is Japan – not China. There are Chinese who do believe in those things. But they migrate out of China.
The indigenous in Australia thrived, you filthy, lying, racist piece of shit, for at least 60,000 years. Our shit-heap ‘civilization’, that produces faecal smears like you, will be lucky to see another fifty, at most.
You are certainly more correct than him. I think he mistakes China for Japan. The Chinese who do think like what he describes – move to the west.. They consider China too stodgy and old fashioned – so they migrate for “freedom” (eye roll).
Yes and that’s why the idea of a “Christian country” is really folly. Governments “have to” do all kinds of evils in order to gain and so forth. The government can’t be “Christ like” fully. Only individuals can.
Are you a lady or an effeminate man?
The Soy Goys
For the British, the Indians were a lower species of people, a race unworthy of the white man, second-rate beings and they treated them like animals during their centuries-long rule of the Indian subcontinent. The most terrible examples of human sadism, brutality and mistreatment and beastly killings were recorded in British India.
Can famine be classified as genocide? It can, because the famine in India was caused by the British.
As for the endless series of famines from 1765 in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan for the next eight years, until 1773, the consequences were millions of deaths. According to incomplete data, the famine killed as many as 10 million Indians, a third of the predominantly Bengali population. And of course it could have been avoided without major difficulties, there was food, but the British occupiers didn’t give it away, because they wouldn’t have made huge profits.
During the rule of the Indian Mughals, the peasants were required to pay a tax of 10-15 percent of the agricultural income, which enabled a comfortable life for the rulers, but also security for the peasants in case the crops failed.
However, in 1765, the British East India Company, which had a brutal private army, forced the Mughal Shah Alam III to an Agreement by which it took over the collection of this tribute and raised it to 50 percent.
The plan of the British occupiers was to dehumanize the Indians in order to portray them as savages and infidels who had plunged into the “darkness of Hinduismâ€.
In 1765, the British “conquerors†bought the Indian province of Bengal-Bihar-Orissa for only 26 rupees! They wanted to show their dominance and power to the rest of the subcontinent after hard battles with the rebelling peasants. They demanded that all the insurgents surrender.
The famine was particularly terrible in 1768 and 1769 in the Indian states of West Bengal and Bihar, but it also affected Orissa, Jharkhand and Bangladesh.
Bengal fared the worst, especially Birbhum and Murshidabad districts. Thousands of families left their homes in the hope of finding food elsewhere but did not find it. Those who remained died. The British acted as if nothing dramatic was happening. And millions died, especially children.
And if they decided to give even a minimum of food to half-dead people, the British would require them to work for it first. Most were so exhausted that almost all of them died before they could get food.
During this great famine in Bengal, the British even took away all the cattle from this province and took away rice and other foodstuffs and sold them outside India. The British then planted poppies (opium) in rice and grain fields to export to China and earn huge sums of money. And that’s why 10 million Indians soon died of hunger.
Mass riots broke out because of hunger, and the British created punishment squads and killed people in terrifying ways, and the most popular way of killing the disobedient was to tie a man to the top of a cannon and blow him up with a shot!?!
Thus hunger ruled India, a country that did not know what hunger was until the arrival of the British. They really considered Indians as an inferior race.
Indian writer and historian, Amaresh Misra claims that Britain “committed another – the biggest genocide in the history of the world, right in Indiaâ€. He describes the events surrounding that terrible act.
During the British colonial rule in British India, or the Indian Empire (which consisted of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka), on May 10, 1857, a mass uprising of the Hindu and Muslim population broke out in the city of Meerut against the British rulers. The insurgents soon conquered Delhi and large parts of northern India in a few days. The causes of the uprising were merciless exploitation and exploitation (working to death) of peasants and workers, they were robbed and beaten.
Then (in 1858) the British army launched a brutal counter-offensive in India to quell a major rebellion.
The pirate and robber Francis Drake (born in Tavistock!!!) gave part of the looted money to the British crown, which used that money to establish the East Indian Company. For that looted money he got the title ‘Ser’. The Rothschilds were the face of that ‘benevolent’ empire in India and in the opium war against China and acted only for the good of Indians, Chinese and everyone else?
In the British history books, this huge Indian rebellion is brazenly portrayed as a simple war operation to recover the territory conquered by the rebels. Millions of peasants also took part in the rebellion, who were then killed.
ROTFL 😂
Yanks should not flatter themselves.
The first people to build factories in China in the 80s were the Chinese diaspora from Southeast Asia and Taiwan.
The US only rushed int to get a piece of the pie after it was already proven that one could make a big profit buy manufacturing in China.
Even today after the “all powerful” USA has gotten fully involved in China, you are still a minority of their trade.
Try to locate the USA on this chart.
You were the one who posed as a victim and quoted the 1400 year “genocide” of Christians by the Muslims.
Now conveniently you want to shift goalposts, and talk about current events?
How about the illegal 2003 war on Iraq based on lies, which resulted in the deaths of a million Iraqis?
What about Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Palestine? etc etc.
What about the continuing TAX ON THE WORLD aka Petrodollar that the USA continues to exact from the world, enforced by the US Military?
I am not sure about the pressure. If I understand correctly, the land is privately owned, so the government can’t take it without some special injunction. I doubt if they are inclined to though. It seems they are quite happy to leave it there as a quaint reminder of the past.
Many people go and visit out of curiosity. I went for a walk there a couple of years back. It is still nice and nostalgic.
Here are are some videos you might like. Many more on YT too.
You may notice in some videos, China tourists have started visiting. They dress up in Sarong Kebayas and take photos….its a very China tourist thing to do….LOL
I see it as a good thing, actually. If it becomes established as a tourist attraction, the continuity of the kampong will be ensured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8CFUekoZUQ
It’s quite bizarre. All history tells us that swamping a country with rapid influx of people of a different ‘ethnicity’ and culture, and, possibly, religion, is a sure recipe for trouble. PARTICULARLY in collapsing Western oligarchies where the ‘native’ population are being screwed into the shit by neo-liberalism.
If people from different backgrounds move in gradually, things are different. Inter-marriage occurs, and, even if they marry within their own group, their children will be of the host society in many aspects. We got a few thousand south Sudanese, black as pitch, eight feet tall, and their children talk just like ‘ockers’. Some become gangsters, but all migrant communities have some of that, fo a while. Groups that ban out-marriage and apostasy should NEVER be allowed in.
So why do they do it? I suspected that Howard, a dyed in the wool racist, did it so that there could be opportunities for race hatred political campaigns in the future, and the LNP has done so, but intermittently compared to their unending race hatred of the Indigenous.
China grew from 1949 to ’78 at about the same pace as since. It repaired the damage of two hundred years of Western aggression, civil conflict and Jap invasion and genocide. It raised life expectancy from less than forty to nearly seventy, it virtually eliminated illiteracy, emancipated women and freed Tibetans from theocratic terror and serfdom. Without any fucking Westerners in sight and an American boycott and aggression. And now it produces half the world’s patents and novel industrial processes every year. It’s over for the West-the 500 year reign of terror is ended.
Sure-Western genocide vastly outnumber Islamic genocide, and even the Mongol slaughters. However, we are supposed to be more ‘enlightened’ today, and have all sorts of International Law outlawing genocide, collective punishment, the deliberate slaughter of children etc, and the Judeonazis defaecate on ALL that.
Awww, don’t be butthurt.
Why bother arguing?
Let us review the situation again in 20 years, and see how the chart has progressed.
…….Who themselves rode the coat tails of the Chinese a little time earlier.
I would call that even.
I love that kind of creative story telling. The Jewish movie makers are masters at it.
Using your own creative writing of movie scripts,
The “destruction of the West by the Jews” should be rescripted as “Improving humanity by replacing those of IQ100 with IQ115 (Ashkenazi)”
I would watch that movie.
WTF?!
WTF*2?!
What the bloody hell is a “messiah,†and what does that have to do with the price of fish?
Kindly re-read the headline article intro:
COED Humanity:
My paraphrase: Be nice to your neighbour.
xtianity’s paraphrase: The ten commandments, in particular: DO NOT KILL.
To regain the ‘Humanity of Humanity’ all that has to be done is get the world [starting with the ((criminals)) in IL & USA, UK etc = ‘the West’] back on track, to honour the ‘good neighbourly’ rules and stop breaking Humanity’s laws.
PS Any wait for some messiah will be infinite in duration due to the *total* absence of imaginary deities.
Oh my, it looks like someone’s been moving the posts around. I’d like to know how this is relevant to Quran’s teachings.
Thanks, but it is seems just like a tourist trap now. Truly, a little like Huxley’s savage reservation in Brave New World.
I was a little surprised by the words my mother used, she said nushi, owner, at the time I knew it, seemed to be a collective ownership. People had houses, and a community hall, mainly to watch television. Nice bicycles.
So, it seems now to be owned by a particular woman, running it as a kind of theme park. Sad.
I wonder if, given Malay Islamic extremism for so many decades now, claimed bumiputra Malays are allowed to perform there, or the actors all have to be beyond Halal rules?
That is how the Malaysian government ruined their small Jalan Makan restaurant in Tokyo, some fat and possibly fecund cow (by her own account) organised Islamic patrols outside the shop, shouted threats at workers there, mainly mixed Indian-Malay, Malay-Chinese, an Indian cook.
The place was very popular, I enjoyed the food since it was almost the real thing, suddenly closed thanks to the efforts of the fat cow communicating with Islamists in Malaysia.
I disagree with your premise. Middle class European Jews and Christians have the same average IQ. Because the only Jews you’ve ever met have been doctors and dentists, you make poor assumptions. Facts are difficult for the poorly educated, or the miseducated, but I’m sure you’re making a decent living at the 7-11.
I merely humour you by following the topics as you shift the posts around.
First you talk about 1400 years of Muslim genocide of Christians
Then you shift it to “things have changed alot since then”
Now you shift again to “Quran’s teachings”.
Why won’t you just pick one and stand your ground?
Because you know you don’t have a valid argument?
Actually when I visited, I didn’t get that feeling at all. It felt more like a quaint old village that got lost in time.
The owner did say that she rents out those places for about $5 a month for old times’ sake. That is unheard of in Singapore now. A house that size would easily rent for at least $5000. I imagine that the houses are rented mostly by old timers, as if any one pays rent at that price, he surely will not move out! LOL.
To me, she seems like a nostalgic albeit eccentric lady, but in a good way.
Malays in Singapore tend to be very moderate. They are quite relaxed about things like that. It is when you travel up north the peninsular to the northern Malaysian states like Terengganu and Kelantan, is when they get all fussy about Islamic rules.
Hell, in Singapore one of my favourite snacks to buy from Malay food outlets is Tapai…fermented pulut (sticky rice) or kayu ubi (tapioca/cassava). They are fermented to the point of being ALCOHOLIC. The taste is rather like Sake or Makgeolli…only that it is in a solid form. I often joke that eating Tapai is like eating a sweet dessert Sake.
Do you remember having Tapai as a child?
Ah yes, I can imagine that happening in Malaysia.
Its kinda funny if you think about it….it is like the Malaysian equivalent of the Woke movement? Instead of Woke folks forcing their idea of sexuality on everyone else, it is extremist Muslims forcing their idea of Islam on everyone.
I sometimes make the joke that if a certain kind of person is born to:
A Muslim family, he becomes a Jihadi.
A Christian family, he becomes a fundamentalist Bible Thumper
A hippy family, he becomes a Vegan
I suppose that fat fecund cow is like the female version of the Jihadi…LOL.
It’s simple. One claim definitively establishes the historical context of conflict between Muslims and Christians. The second claim suggests a shift from this historical context, influenced by factors like religious teachings, cultural shifts, or political developments.
The third claim asserts that the Quran has played a role in shaping historical events, providing justification or guidance to the actions or attitudes of Muslims involved in the conflicts.
All three claims imply a connection, suggesting that the teachings have been a significant factor influencing the dynamics of the relationship between Muslims and Christians.
Religions in general are the opiate of the masses. They have been proven to cause groupthink, conformity, scapegoating, and dehumanization. When combined with political stimulants, they inevitably result in atrocities like those in Gaza or the Armenian genocide. Look at any country in any historical period and you’ll see this.
I can’t get used to the fact that Yanks consider doctors and dentists as above middle class.
An Ozzie colleague once complained to me…”the Yanks are on a planet of their own”. Hard to disagree with him.
Just look at your strange idea of class that is denoted solely by income. What happened to refinement, or education or cultivation etc etc?
Where I am from, and in most of the rest of the English speaking world/Brit Commonwealth,
Doctors and dentists are considered middle class.
Plumbers and carpenters are working class.
Nobility and blue bloods are considered upper class.
From the way you word you comment, it is apparent you are neither Upper nor Middle class in this class structure. Which leaves…….?
LOL, those figures are AVERAGES. Lets not try to obfuscate with IQ differences of class.
The figures are that Ashkenazi Jews have an AVERAGE intelligence of 115, Whites 100 and 85 for blacks.
If you say that middle class Jews and Whites are the same IQ, then follows that middle class Whites and Blacks are the same IQ.
Which makes your IQ 85?
How insightful of you.
7-11 pays so well that I retired at 45.
Now that I am retired, I have the luxury to on vacations once a month. Next week I am off to Taiwan, so I will be missing you for a few days then.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal.
I asked you “why won’t you pick one and stand your ground?”
And your answer is a description of what the 3 different goal posts are.
You are either too dense to understand what is written, or you are refusing to engage because you are afraid to.
Now even worse, you have gone into a 4th goalpost shift. You start ranting about how religions are “opiates of the masses”. Now it seems you are not so ardent in supporting the Christian cause afterall.
The fact that you do not have the balls to stand your ground and keep mincing around makes me suspect you are a child or maybe a bot.
O du lieber Augustin, why not take your frustration with your own life and turn it into something positive? I have a few suggestions for you here:
1. Write a speech about how everything is going from bad to worse and take it to your congregation.
2. Go and smash a few windows in your local NGO office.
3. Join or form your own political party. AH did it, so can you!
Don’t thank me. I do it for a living.
Thank you, it won’t play back as embedded here.
Will try downloading by wi-fi tomorrow.
Still, musical notation wasn’t very precise anywhere until late 15th century. Even with that, we have the great split between perfect tuning, where the notes have perfect ratios, and the A440 base, which allows easy key changes, but only approximates the perfect ratios.
You make a good point. There were many great explorers. Having been forged in the deadly torrents of the Yellow and then Yangtze rivers equipped Chinese civilizations to venture out to the open ocean with more confidence.
The Polynesians were great seafarers certainly in addition to Chinese. Plus there are many who don’t realize when Cristofo Colombo arrived in the Caribbean the natives helped him navigate all the islands which they visited in their canoes. How do they think people got to those far Asian islands like Tuvalu and the Marshall islands?
But yeah there is a mindset to think Europeans – especially Greeks and Romans invented everything related to math and science – which is patently false. Places we now call Iraq and Iran contributed plenty to math and science both in the pre and post Islamic ages. Somehow that isn’t taught in western schools. On the flip side I am always puzzled when I read Indians call Chinese arrogant and think Chinese invented everything (well really it’s more Indians you hear say that about their civilizations. I mean right now the video game world is abuzz with one of the biggest money makers right now on the planet is a new Chinese made game called Black Myth Wukong (I have never played it but know of it from the business world). The game is based on a Chinese story – Journey to the West. As you probably know – the story is all about a guy trying to reach India to get access to Buddhis texts – lol. Chinese don’t hide that Buddhism got to China from Indian monks. They don’t hide that certain things regarding math and astronomy was learned from interactions with Indians. It’s peculiar indeed.
Actually there is a huge difference between Zionists and religious Jews. They actually don’t get along. Even Nasrallah the former leader of Hezbollah knew that. Even the Iranian leadership knows that (which is why Jews live freely in Iran). But anyway – in their own words:
There is no “christianity” without the “Old Testament”. Literally everything Yeshua (Jesus) spoke about was the difference between what God meant (was written) and the errors in contemporary teaching regarding it. You are right that “Christianity” is not a western religion. People have tried to make it one like changing the names Yeshua/Jesus and Miriam/Mary and Saul/Paul and Yochanan/John and Eleazar/Lazarus etc etc. Sorry – those are were all Hebrew people in spite of the paintings of them in Europe.
He’s a Mummy’s Boy, a traitor to Australia and a hater of European Nations, the latter being Daddy whom he hates…hates…hates…
“I HATE you DADDY…I HATE you DADDY…I HATE you DADDY…boohooo…boohooo”.
There has never been a repeatable test given across a broad range of Ashkenazi Jews showing an average 115 IQ. That number is based on an estimate because the author of the study had only met Jews who were dentists and doctors and assumed all Jews were as smart as them. Having grown up in Queens, NY, I’ve met Jewish bakers, garbagemen, taxi drivers, drug users and dealers and mechanics. Jewish IQ isn’t measured in the US as religions aren’t separated, only races are. The only repeatable test was taken in Israel, where the average IQ of Jews was 94.
I’m American. “Class” is meaningless. Doctors and dentists have to go through a lot of schooling here to get licensed and therefore are assumed to be intelligent. We don’t bow down to castes like you do.
A fifth goal post change.
Your actions can’t be very effective when your mind is all scattered.
Exactly!!!
The facts are all there. They know of them because they have read snippets from here and there. But they are unable to join the dots and put them together as you have.
The Polynesians/Austronesians reached as far as Easter Island off the west coast of S America, and Madagascar off the east coast of Africa. The distances are truly vast. Is it conceivable that they were not able to reach the continental mainlands? They surely did.
To the south, Australia is just a short hop from Indonesia. All subgroups of the Polynesian/Austronesians had advanced sailing tech. The Austronesians had steel weapons for two millenia, and firearms for a few hundred.
It is certain that they were able to colonize the mainlands 3 of these continents, but yet did not do so in the same way the Europeans did.
The question screams out….WHY????
To me, the fact that they do not ask this question or immediately dismiss this question is because they are already convinced that they are the Exceptional Race…only they could do it.
In a way such an attitude is not far from the Chosenites. Is this a mere coincidence? I doubt it.
I feel that the ability to absorb outside advances and incorporate into one’s own civilisation is one of the most important traits any people can inculcate.
In the periods where China was openminded and able to do this, she flourished. When she closed herself off from the world, she stagnated and rotted.
When I watch the Chinese government continuing to engage with the West especially the USA after the many destructive actions taken by them, I am a little surprised and irritated. As a lesser man, my instinct is to just decouple entirely with the West, and take The Rest with me. Afterall The Rest is 15% of the world population.
Then I get the niggling feeling that Chinese government has learned well from the past, and knows that it must not close itself off from the world or any part of the world.
If this is true, then the Chinese leadership is miles above those of the West in terms of wisdom and discipline.
Perhaps you from the East can see things with fresh eyes in a way that Euro-Americans cannot. Both Americans and Europeans tend to think of themselves as exceptional and as direct heirs of some ancient civilizations. However, one Greek recently mentioned that it’s pointless to base everything on Greek heritage—whether fictional or real—such as Troy, which might not have existed.
The same applies to the Roman Empire, about which many are unaware of key facts. It’s astonishing how little Europeans know, including the true meaning of the name “Europe.” Germans and Greeks often don’t know their own origins in Europe or even the meaning of their own names (which, in the case of the Greeks, is slightly derogatory, and maybe because don’t like it). They don’t know where the capital of the Roman Empire was, nor do many Jewish people know the meaning of the derogatory word “kike.â€
One of you mentioned a so-called ‘Greek Empire’, which never existed (the Greeks even were not soldiers in the Roman army), and the fact that Greece itself only came into existence in 1829 when the English and Austrians established it as a state, giving them an instant ancient history.
What’s going on in the East? You know certain things in isolation, but no one has yet connected the dots. You rightly acknowledge that Buddhism came from India, but at the time of its origin, Aryans were in India. They arrived and took control of the subcontinent, bringing with them their language and mythology from Europe. Many Indians struggle to accept this, but they also cannot offer a logical alternative. It’s well-documented (through genetics, linguistics, anthropology, mythology, and toponyms) who the Aryans were, but the Euro-American mainstream seems incapable of grasping this. Some individuals acknowledge these facts but mistakenly label them as “Slavic†mythology and language, even though that term is about 3,000 years younger.
There is, in fact, continuity—albeit with changes over time and geography—starting from the oldest European civilization in VinÄa, whose language, later called Serbian, spread to the Vedas, Hinduism, and Buddhism. The Chinese, interestingly, have no problem with history; they even write PhDs about the ‘northern’ people (the Aryans) with whom they coexisted for over 1,500 years. This coexistence included periods of war, peaceful relations, and alliances with the Mongols. It’s known that Aryans lived in Tibet and Xinjiang (arriving 2,600 years before the Chinese and 2,800 years before the Uighurs). Many later assimilated into Chinese society.
Although much remains unknown, the fact is that so-called Westerners are often ideologically rigid, burying their exceptional heads in the sand when faced with certain historical facts. Indians share this stubbornness to some extent, while the Chinese appear to be more pragmatic, avoiding the constraints of artificially constructed histories.
News: Unless you + RoW [I’m OK] get rid of *all* ((things related)) you + RoW are all lost = irrevocably down the gurgler.
In the vernacular: Get real or get lost.
X-tianity cannot ‘save’ anything [let alone grant ‘life after death’]. haw
PS Carpe diem = enjoy the here and now; there is *nothing else*.
PS: corrections:
… alliance against the Mongols
… Troy – not part of Greek heritage (unless someone says when the Greeks came to Europe)
Actually American companies were late in getting into China. It was first the overseas Chinese that went in. Then Japan and Germany. The rest of the west was later.
Well actually China’s whole point is to be friendly to both sides. The ultra right wing politicians in Israel don’t like China because of it. You are absolutely correct China has recognized Palestine as a state for decades. But that doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to work with Israel. China looks at it The same way as they did the Saudis and Iranians – which is why they were able to help them start to deal with each other again
Yeah honestly I think that’s why many of them hate the Jews and try to change around the Bible. The idea that anyone but they can be chosen (because anyone can actually convert and be Jewish and Hebrews were always mixed people). It’s also why they bury history about other advanced civilizations. Because if there were times others were more advanced than them – it means it can happen again. That is dangerous to their psyche and ego.
And yes Chinese leaders are very pragmatic. But hey – even Mao tried to have good relations with the west back in the 1940’s. But yes I agree it can be frustrating to watch – but they are indeed wise. I try to tell westerners all the time – they should be glad China is not a democracy because the people would have demanded the government take up arms to avenge all the evil that was done to China. The leadership actually keeps a lid on that sentiment. They don’t understand in the west.
The acceptance of the Old Testaments into Christianity meant that the West can never separate itself from its “elder brothers” and to make a clear break would mean the total rejection of the Christianity.
Thanks.
Yes, I ate tapai, not a favourite to the tastes of a child, but enjoyed it.
Thanks for the info on the kampong, sounds like it would still look much the same as it did then, except no bathing and laundry in the nearby small river now.
I found that crazy Malay woman’s blog site just because I had taken a friend to a supposed ‘Malaysian’ restaurant in another part of Tokyo.
The food was terrible, not inedible, but just a bad version of Singapore/
Malaysia Chinese food. So I did a ‘net search, and her blog came up. She rated a couple (the other wasn’t or isn’t any good, but I suppose it was halal), and mentioned Jalan Makan, complimented the relative authenticity of the food, and made cryptic comments about her idea that a good Malay shouldn’t go there because the staff were serving alcoholic drinks to the Japanese customers.
She also had an ‘are you a good muslim?’ quiz on her site, should have made a copy, it was all bizarre, but the correct answer to ‘How many children should you have?’ was ‘A soccer team’.
Anyway, I took my friend to Jalan Makan, and she liked the food and scene. I didn’t mention the one bumiputra member of staff, before, the manager, who was a pleasant man, and came up and introduced himself to us and conversed a little in Japanese.
Having read fat fanatic binte’s blog before, I had seen her photograph, so spotted her at the end of the corridor (Jalan Makan of Tokyo was off a basement corridor), with a group of six or seven associates, they started to walk up and down, loudly throwing insults in Malay at the staff, of course, at a level just below security guard or police intervention, except for me and the staff, nobody understood the words.
Gosh, Jalan Makan sounds surreal. I wonder why the owner tolerated her?
Given the crimes of your
any Christian ‘believer’ makes him/her/it-self an accessory to genocide.
You’re not “Orthodox”, Hulkster.
You’re simply another American kid who’s exceedingly angry because you’re impotent to effect any change in your own life or anything else around you for that matter.
I seriously doubt you even attend a church and interact with a community of fellow believers there. No one who wishes to see women raped en masse and despises his race and nation as much as you do could possibly function in such a situation.
You’re a spitting image of the majority of niggers. Every single one of their problems is someone else’s fault. With you it’s the Boomers and the Papists and the women etc.. The list goes on and on.
Play pretend on the internet is essentially your entire world…lol
https://ibb.co/tmswH6t
The gun powder?
Of course there are huge differences within your species:
In your pseudo-pluralism your essence is the same; showing how superbly human you are.
Thank you for answering my question, though it was rhetorical; and as such, not meant to be answered.
But since I think my point was lost on you, let me explain:
Thomasina’s claim was that “USA made China”.
USA accounts for 578B exports from China.
Out of China’s total exports of 3.57T or 3570 B
USA is the destination for 16.1% of China’s exports.
How does that support the claim that USA MADE CHINA ???
As I said, Yanks should not flatter themselves.
That is just one.
But it allowed Europe to dominate the rest of the world
There are many others:
1. Gunpowder – which you already know of
2. Magnetic compass – your conquistadors and colonists used them to colonise the world
3. Paper – allowed massive increase in knowledge to be stored
4. Movable type printing press – allowed mass education. Invented in China 400 years before Gutenberg.
5. Paper money – beats hauling about tons of gold or silver
6. Stern rudders – for navigating those colonising ships
7. Watertight hull compartments – etc etc.
The list is too long to include here. Read it yourself, here is a convenient starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
I can guess your next question…if the Chinese invented gunpowder, why didn’t they conquer the world?
Indeed. Those things were state secrets in China (not to mention porcelain and tea and silk – which were huge economic treasures)…. When the Mongols were finally able to conquer China after centuries – they took the guns and paper and other Chinese inventions (including engineers to build things) and used it to go conquer towards the west. Those technologies then proliferated. Many Europeans and their offspring around the world don’t realize this. They also don’t know how much the west gleamed from the Islamic Golden Age too. They think Isaac Newton invented the scientific method – but he didn’t.
Speak of the Mongols – why in the west is Genghis Khan considered a blood thirsty marauder but European imperialists seen as “great menâ€? Weird.
I’m not a Hebrew. But why do people have problems with facts? Why are westerners so full of hatred for others?
An excellent point.
I am so stealing that!
It was, a little bit. The owner is some Japanese very wealthy landlord or company, the operator was the Malaysian Embassy, and it was greatly enjoyed by customers in general.
In the same arcade, for example, on the underground and ground floors, all restaurants.
First floor, all repair, fashion or jewellery.
They had (or have) a few in other cities, soft diplomacy.
However, last year I read a very interesting article about Thai restaurants, the Siam govt. has had an official policy for restaurants anywhere for many years, that is why most serve the same dishes everywhere, generally tastes good, but boring in always being much the same anywhere .
Having visited, it isn’t all like that.
As far as the hooded woman, followed her blog for a little time, sure, she was boasting about her political connections who would shut Jalan Makan in the Ginza down.
When parading in front of the place, they would adopt a fake greeting tone, while saying nasty words, staff would reply in the same tone, without the nasty words, trying to placate and be friendly.
Customers were oblivious.
Apparently, all this is way over the heads of the Eastern guys. No dramas.
Isn’t it the opposite?
Isn’t it the opposite?
Considering that the strategic aim of the American bromance with Communist China was to weaken the Soviet Union, it looks like for the moment the Chicoms are on top. But China has never been able to handle being a top dog well, all throughout their history “something” happens and this time it will be no different. I live in Singapore and it is remarkable that most Chinese (I am referring to my friends, and reports from friends) whether the locals, or the new ones migrating from China, don’t particularly care for the “China” as dreamed of by the likes of Emperor Xi. The ordinary Chinese just want to be left alone to lead their own lives.
“The terms “West†and “Western world†were invented, or at least are promoted, by Jews. We should call our civilization “Christendomâ€, which explicitly excludes them. And, of course, we should take actual measures to exclude themâ€
Christendoom? More like Antichristendoom civilization. An evil demonic fourth beast kingdom/civilization of Daniel 7:7
Disgusting hypocrite Catholic and Protestant Churchians: Antichrist religion
“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.â€
â€â€Daniel‬ â€7‬:â€7‬ â€NKJV‬‬
Remember, the only history that matters is what the Free World (TM) says. Trade across East Asia, SEA and the entire Indian Ocean is irrelevant, because every capitalist university says so. One commentator said China was in stupor. Never mind that its voyages had found nothing abroad of benefit. Moreover, reference to the voyages would cast a shadow over the Earth-shaking Western voyages of “discovery”. One report in India claimed that the Malabar ruler’s young son told Vasco there were ~100 common words in their 2 languages.
Though China wanted nothing from the White Devils (Marco Polo may be a myth), the suitors were forceful and even brutal in wanting to spread civilization, salvation, opium, etc. Because they were a little more measured (less idiotic?) in India, many Indians are still in a trance.
Looks like your comment gave some people indigestion.
In part, the European overlords wanted to surgically split the Mediterranean peoples who have many similarities and a long shared history. Nothing like religious dogma for surgery.
Prof. Joseph Needham wrote a book c. 1995 that would be kosher for Westerners: Science and Civilization in China. It lists numerous inventions.
One map of the Pacific and Indian Oceans I saw about 10 years ago suggests that the original source of the stupendous migrations was somewhere close to Hainan. For this too, the staggering mystery is WHY.
It’s not clear to me from your comment that you think ‘Modern Man’ was a good or bad thing.
I have to say that the introduction of your ‘Modern Man”, especially with regard to the earliest forms of capitalism in Venice and later the Netherlands, combined with the invention of the steam engine in England (which later led to Daimler and Benz popularising the internal combustion engine), is the root of our and our planets downfall.
The planet will eventually (probably) recover, but we will not – causes above.
The West hasn’t been Western since Constantine.