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Dear Prof Hudson,
Once again: Herzliche Grüße aus Berlin!
Last time we spoke for German print magazine “Four” in June. Right now I also work for MEGA Radio, a radio news station for Germany, Austria and Switzerland. We broadcast from Vienna and are located in Berlin, Bavaria and Austria.
Hereby I would like to invite you to another interview via ZOOM to record it for our radio program. It would be an update on our last interview. Maybe around 20-30 Minutes long.
See also our last talk:
I don’t know if that’s too short notice, but would you have time for such a conversation next week or the week after?
Otherwise, also at the beginning of January.
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Here are my questions:
(1.) You made some predictions in our last interview for “Four” magazine which became true.
You talked about crisis for German companies in the production of fertilizer. This just hit the headlines weeks after our interview.
You also said: “What you characterize as “blocking Nord Stream 2” is really a Buy-American policy.” This now also became more than clear after the destroyed Nord Stream pipelines.
Could you comment that?
MH: U.S. foreign policy has long concentrated on control of the international oil trade. This trade is a leading contributor to the U.S. balance of payments, and its control gives U.S. diplomats the ability to impose a chokehold on other countries.
Oil is the key supplier of energy, and the rise in labor productivity and GDP for the leading economies tends to reflect the rise in energy use per worker. Oil and gas are not only for burning for energy, but are also a basic chemical input for fertilizers, and hence for agricultural productivity, as well as for much plastic and other chemical production.
So U.S. strategists recognize that cutting countries off from oil and its derivatives will stifle their industry and agriculture. The ability to impose such sanctions enables the U.S. to make countries dependent on compliance with U.S. policy so as not to be “excommunicated” from the oil trade.
U.S. diplomats have been telling Europe for many years not to rely on Russian oil and gas. The aim is twofold: to deprive Russia of its major trade surplus, and to capture the vast European market for U.S. oil producers. U.S. diplomats convinced German leaders not to approve the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and finally used the excuse of the NATO war with Russia in Ukraine to act unilaterally to arrange the destruction of both Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines.
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(2.) For our audience, our listeners: In your new book “The Destiny of Civilization: Finance Capitalism, Industrial Capitalism, or Socialism”
You state that the world economy is now fracturing between two parts, the United States and Europe is the dollarized part.
And this Western neoliberal unit is driving Eurasia and most of the Global South into a separate group. You just stated this in an interview from November.
https://michael-hudson.com/2022/11/the-rentier-economy-is-a-free-lunch/
Could you explain this for our outlet?
MH: The split is not only geographic but above all reflects the conflict between Western neoliberalism and the traditional logic of industrial capitalism. The West has deindustrialized its economies by replacing industrial capitalism with finance capitalism, initially in an attempt to keep its wages down by moving abroad to employ foreign labor, and then to try and establish monopoly privileges and captive markets or arms (and now oil) and high-technology essentials, becoming rentier economies.
A century ago, industrial capitalism was expected to evolve into industrial socialism, with governments providing subsidized basic infrastructure services (such as health care, education, communication, research and development) to minimize their cost of living and doing business. That is how the United States, Germany and other countries built up their industrial power, and it also is how China and other Eurasian countries have done so more recently.
But the West’s choice to privatize and financialize its basic infrastructure, dismantling the role of government and shifting planning to Wall Street, London and other financial centers, has left it with little to offer other countries – except or the promise not to bomb them or treat them as enemies if they seek to keep their wealth in their own hands instead of transferring it to U.S. investors and corporations.
The result is that when China and other countries build up their economies in the same way that the United States did from the end of its Civil War to World War II, they are treated as enemies. It is as if U.S. diplomats see that the game is lost, and that their economy has become so debt-ridden, privatized and high-cost that it cannot compete, that it simply hopes to keep making other countries dependent tributaries for as long as it can until the game finally is over.
If the U.S. succeeds in imposing financial neoliberalism on the world, then other countries will end up with the same problems that the United States is experiencing.
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(3.) Now the first terminals for LNG from the US are opened in Germany. How will this effect trade and interdependence / dependency between Germany and United States?
MH: The U.S. sanctions and destruction of Nord Stream 1 and 2 have made Europe dependent on U.S. supplies, at so high a cost of LNG gas (about six times what Americans and Asians have to pay) that Germany and other countries have lost their ability to compete in steel making, glass making, aluminum and many other sectors. This creates a vacuum which U.S. affiliates home to fill from their investments in other countries or even from the U.S. itself.
The expectation is that German and other European heavy industry, chemical and other manufacturing will have to move to the United States to obtain oil and other essentials that they are told not to buy from Russia, Iran or other alternatives. The assumption is that they can be blocked from relocating in Russia or Asia by imposing sanctions, fines and political meddling European politics by U.S. NGOs and National Endowment for Democracy satellites in, as has been the case since 1945. We can expect a new Operation Gladio to promote politicians willing to sustain this Global Fracture and the shift of European industry to the United States.
One question is whether Germany’s skilled labor will follow. That typically is what occurs in such situations. This kind of demographic shrinkage is what the Baltic states have experienced. It is a byproduct of neoliberal policies.
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(4.) What is your view on the current military situation in the Russian/Ukrainian war?
MH: It looks like Russia will easily win in February or March. It probably will create a Demiliarized Zone to protect the Russian-speaking areas (probably incorporated into Russia) from the pro-NATO West in order to prevent sabotage and terrorism.
Europe will be told to continue to boycott Russia and its allies instead of seeking mutual gains by reciprocal trade and investment. The U.S. may urge Poland and other countries to “fight to the last Pole” or Lithuanian, emulating Ukraine. It will put pressure on Hungary. But most of all, it will insist that Europe spend an immense sum to re-arm, mainly with U.S. arms. This expense will crowd out social spending to help Europe cope with its spreading industrial depression or subsidies to revive its industry. So a militarized economy will become a rising overhead – while consumer and industrial debt increase, along with government debt.
As this occurs, Russia may demand that NATO roll back its borders to pre-1991 boundaries. That is the most likely flash point of conflict.
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(5.) What is your view on the current financial situation in this war. The G7 and EU governments talk already about rebuilding and reconstruction of Ukraine after the war. What does this mean for Western businesses and finance capitalism?
MH: Ukraine hardly can be rebuilt. First of all, much of its population has left, and is unlikely to return, given the destruction of housing and infrastructure – and husbands.
Second, Ukraine is owned mainly by a narrow group of kleptocrats – who are trying to sell out to Western agricultural investors and other vultures. (I think you know who they are.)
Ukraine is already debt-ridden, and has become a fiefdom of the IMF (meaning in practice, of NATO). Europe will be asked to “contribute,” and the foreign reserves seized from Russia may be spent on hiring U.S. companies to make a financial killing rebuilding a pretense of an economy in Ukraine – leaving the country even more debt ridden.
A new Democratic Party secretary of state will echo Madeline Albright and say that the killing of Ukraine’s economy, children and soldiers “was all worth it” as the cost of spreading democracy U.S.-style.
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(6.) I’ve read lots of background reports on the sanctions against Russia. It seems more and more the sanctions hit Russia hard, because they cannot produce all products, esp. technology, by themselves. On the other hand Russia have now more stable business and buyers with and in China, India.
What real effect do the sanctions have according to your analysis?
MH: The U.S. sanctions have turned out to be an unanticipated godsend for Russia. In agriculture, for instance, sanctions against Lithuanian and other Baltic dairy exports has led to a flowering of a domestic Russian cheese and dairy sector. Russia is now the world’s largest grain exporter, thanks to the Western sanctions that have had much the same effect as protective tariffs and import quotas of the sort that the United States used in the 1930s to modernize its agricultural sector.
If President Biden were a secret Russian agent, he hardly could have helped Russia more. Russia needed the economic isolation of protectionism, but was still too entranced by neoliberal free-trade policy to do this by itself. So the U.S. did it for it.
Sanctions oblige countries to become more self-reliant, at least in basic needs such as food and energy. This self-reliance is the best defense against U.S. economic destabilization to force regime change and similar compliance.
One effect is that Russia will need to buy much less from Europe even after the fighting in Ukraine ends. So there will be less need for Russia to export raw materials to Europe. It can work these up themselves. The industrial core that was Europe may end up more in Russia and its Asian allies than in the United States.
That is the ironic result of NATO’s new Iron Curtain.
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(7.) How would you describe China, Russia and India: Do you see Industrial Capitalism or Socialism there?
MH: RIC was the original core of the BRICS, now greatly extended to include Iran and much of Central Asia and the roads involved with China’s Belt and Road initiative. The goal is for Eurasia no longer to have to rely on Europe or North America.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld often referred to “Old Europe” as a shrinking dead zone. It failed to follow its plans a century ago to evolve into an increasingly socialized economy with government subsidy of rising living standards and labor productivity, science and industry. Europe rejected not only Marxism but the basis of Marxist analysis in the classical economics of Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill and their contemporaries. That path has been followed in Eurasia, while the right-wing anti-government liberalism of the Austrian and Chicago Schools has destroyed the NATO economies from within.
As the locus of industrial and technological leadership moves eastward, European investment and labor probably will follow.
The Eurasian countries will still visit Europe as tourists, as Americans like to visit England as a kind of theme park of post-feudal gentry, the posting of the palace guards and other quaint memories of the days of knights and dragons. European countries will look more like that of Jamaica and the Caribbean, with hotels and hospitality becoming the main growth sectors, with Frenchmen and German waiters dressed in their quaint quasi-Hollywood costumes. Museums will do a thriving business as Europe itself turns into a kind of museum of post-industrialism.
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(8.) Currently we saw the collapse and bankruptcy of the crypto exchange FXT. The management of this company seems to be highly criminal. How do you judge that?
MH: Crime is what made crypto a growth sector for the past few years. Investors bought crypto because it is a vehicle for the fortunes being made in international drug dealing, the arms trade, other crime and tax evasion. These are the great post-industrial growth sectors in Western economies.
Ponzi schemes often are good investment vehicles in their take-off stage – the pump-and-dump stage. It was inevitable that criminals would not only use crypto to transfer funds, but actually set up their own currencies “free of oppressive government regulation.” Criminals are the ultimate Chicago School free market libertarians.
Anyone can create their own currency, much as U.S. wild-west banks did in the mid-19th century, printing currency at will. When one went shopping in the early 20th century, the stores still had lists of the shifting valuations of various bank notes. The best designed ones tended to be the most successful.
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(9.) Do you have any knowledge about business relations between FTX and Ukraine, the government in Kyiv? There were some rumours and press articles in the alternative media about it?
MH: The IMF and Congress have paid large amounts of money to the Ukraine government and its kleptocrats in charge. Newspapers report that much of this money has been turned over to FTX – which has become the second largest funder of the Democratic Party (behind George Soros, who also is said to be trying to buy up Ukrainian assets). So a circular flow seems to be at work: U.S. Congress votes for funding for Ukraine, which puts some of this money in FTX crypto to pay or the political campaign of pro-Ukrainian politicians.
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(10.) Some months ago there were articles in the US press about plans by the FED: They are planning to establish a digital Dollar, a Central Bank Digitcal Currency (CBDC). Also in Europe ECB president Madame Lagarde and the German minister for finance, Lindner, talk about an introduction of the digital Euro.
Here in Germany some critical experts are warning this will only push the total surveillance of the population and customers.
What is your take on digital currencies?
MH: It’s not my department. All banking is electronic, so what does “digital” mean? To libertarians, it means no government oversight, but in government hands, the government will have a record of everything that anyone spends.
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(11.) What is your view on the current weakness or strength of the US dollar, the Euro, the British Pound, Gold and Silver?
MH: The dollar will remain in demand, thanks to its success in making the Eurozone dependent on it. The British pound has little means of support, and little reason for foreigners to invest in it. The euro is a junior satellite currency to the dollar.
Without a dollar or other currency to hold their monetary reserves in, governments will continue to increase the proportion held in gold, because it doesn’t have government liabilities attached to it – so U.S. officials can’t simply grab it, as they did with Russia’s foreign reserves. Eurozone countries cannot be trusted not to follow U.S. orders to grab foreign countries’ reserves, so it will be shunned.
As the euro’s exchange rate declines against the dollar, foreign investment will decline, because investors will not want to invest in (1) a shrinking market, and (2) companies that earn domestic euros that are worth fewer and fewer dollars or other hard currency for head offices.
Of course, gold will have to be kept at home, so that it can’t simply be grabbed, as the Bank of England grabbed Venezuela’s gold and gave it to the right-wing U.S. proxy. Germany would be wise to accelerate its airlift of its own gold supply from the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank vaults in New York City.
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(12.) What is your current analysis of the energy and financial crises in the world?
MH: No real crisis as much as a slow crash. Rising prices paid for what America exports: oil, food and IT monopoly goods, with living costs for consumers rising faster than wages. So there will be a tightening squeeze or most families. The middle class will discover that it really is the wage-earning class after all, and will go deeper into debt – especially if it tries to protect itself by taking out a mortgage to buy a home.
I’ve been studying the 11th and 12th centuries for my history of debt, and I came across a story that may have relevance to the questions that you’ve asked. NATO keeps claiming that it is a defensive alliance. But Russia has no desire to invade Europe. The reason is obvious: No army can invade a major country. More important, Russia does not even have a motive to destroy Europe as a U.S.-puppet adversary. Europe already is self-destructing.
I am reminded of the battle of Manzikert in 1071, when the Byzantine Empire lost to the Seljuk Turks (largely because its general on whom the emperor had depended, Andronikos Doukas, defected, and then overthrew the Emperor. Crusade of Kings, a game supplement, covers the battle extensively, and claims the following conversation took place between Alp Arslan and Romanos:
Alp Arslan: “What would you do if I were brought before you as a prisoner?”
Romanos: “Perhaps I’d kill you, or exhibit you in the streets of Constantinople.”
Alp Arslan: “My punishment is far heavier. I forgive you, and set you free.”
That is the punishment that Europe will receive from Eurasia. Its leaders have made their choice: to be a U.S. satellite.
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“[W]hat does “digital” mean? To libertarians, it means no government oversight[…]”
Quite the opposite in fact. Freedom is analog.
After read/listen/seeing most of Dr. Hudson’s interviews/articles, he has not updated his interviewers with the present conditions of the US Financial System and how it currently is functioning.
Only Ben Norton has approached him with generalized questions but none of that pertains to the repercussion in howThe FED functions in serving a small slice of the American citizens & others. It’s only about 10% of the US population that the FED caters to.
Is Dr. Hudson aware of “the volatility of the US/EU/UK markets? Is he aware that there’s a huge derivative’s market problem causing havoc?
Could someone interviewing Dr. Hudson approach him on those questions and so many more about whether there is an actual threat to the entire US $$$ Hegemon? We can’t trust anyone else to tell us the truth.
Great article, MH. And horrible, what you tell us. And so precise it even hit my tiny brain. Thanks!
So, we Europeans have two “options”:
1. The US get their way (without nuclear armageddon) and we basically become their colony – cheap labour, easy pickings and all industry moving away. Slave labour for the population next (Hartz IV-laws here in Germany leading the way, going fully gulag always a possibility). Next the UK will return into the “fold” of the EU sans alternative. The rest of the world will be dealt with by “colour revolution”, warmongering and all other kinds of state funded terrorism. Just like now.
Any democracy in Europe will be seriously fucked as “our” governments will go fully totalitarian to keep the population down – by any means necessary. (Remember the violence against ANY covid- and lockdown-protesters here.) Most likely vaxxing the white middle class to death to keep the US happy and the “great reset” going. As people here not only die without a fuss, but their shit becoming the property of some accomplice monopolist – think Gates, Bezos etc.
And to keep this situation “stuck” we’ll also have another cold war with Russia and China ’til kingdom come. With all borders closed for the peasantry and not allowed to travel anywhere anyway. Happy Orwell for everybody.
2. The rest of their world are having their multipolar party – without us – and the West basically a big concentration camp under the leadership of the US. Same story as 1. just with even more decay and ruin. And more violence and death for the population for sure. But at least the remainder of this planet and our species – 80% – will watch safely from the outside.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/119-the-reichsb%C3%BCrger-coup-with-annika-brockschmidt/id1449848509?i=1000590141663
“I don’t speak German.” One takes their word for it. Despite this linguistic incompetence, one nevertheless believes oneself to be in possession of an exact knowledge of German history (at least as far as that from 1933 to 1945 is concerned). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Don’t_Speak_German
This time with special guest “ardenthistorian” [!], a giggling goose as direct import from ZOG (Zionist Occupied Germoney). Finally, what really belongs together has found each other to multiply the common incompetence. https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Annika_Brockschmidt
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Nice One.
Impressed when PhD Hudson casually referred to Europe becoming as a Post-Industrial Hospitality-Centric “Theme Park” – similar to the way Muricans do when they visit GBRitain…
Die Deutschen are Neck Deep in this, with Merkel/Scholz/Haebeck/Baerbock/von der Leyen making things worse.
I wish I came across+read/attended PhD Hudson’s Work+Books earlier in my Career, or during my University Years…
michael hudson is a living SAINT! but he’s still an ECONO-mist.
ecce homo no econo homo.
the answer is sad.
1. they were members of a CULT.
2. they thought they were doing GOOD.
3. they thought it was SELF-DEFENSE.
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Have the Germans finally learned that the US is not a trustworthy partner and is actually trying to hollow out their economy?
Will the Europeans eventually decide that Russia and China might be more reliable economic and political allies?
The US policy of failing to consider the vital interests of its junior partners seems to have run its course.The current American Government is not only the most reckless in recent memory but seems to lack any foresight about the future.They really don’t know what the hell they are doing.
All bank transfers through SWIFT are logged by US and all transfers by SEPA are logged in EU. Portugal uses NIF to track incomes and all purchases
Very much to the point – thx. a lot Michael Hudson!
I Some remakrs – 1 concerning Switzerland
Tourism*** is no big part of the Swiss economy – banking too, btw. The Swiss have a real economy and are highly productive and competitive. – It is comparatively easy to set up an industrial business/ firm inSwitzerland – and very effective.
***Switzerland did surprisingly well economically during Covid, even though tourism got hit hard.
There are also considerable productive enterprises in Germany contributing remarkably to the German economy: The trades – and the economic middle-ground factories (up to 1500 employees) who are still doing very well.
II Germany is going green = embracing de-industrialization
The Green Party is the clearest propagator of the American industrialization process.Old Green croc Joshka Fischer – one of the influential figures )maybe the most influential figure in the Green Party’s history) – was convinced, that the German super-effectivity was the reason for Hitler’s ascend and therefore: To cut back on german productivity and effectiveness the most important measure to secure a antifascist (=green = de-industrialized) future.
Fischer went even so far as to say that German industrial success as the main driver of Hitler-exterminism (=super-antihumanism…) would have to be cured by immirgation. – he never made that explicit, but he often said things that make only sense when seen in the light. Fischer was very close to Madeleine Albrigth, btw.
Annalena Baerbock is THE ideologue in the current government, following in Joschka Fischer’s footsteps – so: She welcomes the going-green development path and the de-industrialization that goes along with it – and she is very much on the side of Ukraine – she even said that the Ukrainians are more important for her than her own voters back home. Btw.: The problem with her personally is not, that she’d be dumb. She clearly isn’t. The problem is that she is an utter ideologue of the Green Future and very much willing to go with the strong US in order to achieve her goals.
Fräulein Brockschmidt should actually reply to Mr. Graham’s admission that he does not speak German: “I do speak English, but only a sort of wannabe Oxford English, which is characterized by the ridiculous conspicuousness that I use the phrase ‘sort of’ in every second sentence in order to simulate my vague confusion as concreteness, one could say a sort of wishy-washy autism, because in truth I have no idea about nothing at all. But that doesn’t matter, because idiots like you invite me and think I’m an expert.
Besides, I let myself pay from the tax money of the working German population for my absolutely confused, worthless and superfluous theories which are supposed to serve to cheat exactly this part of the working population of their existence. I myself have learned nothing else, and I am too progressive and emancipated to have children. In addition, I am, as usual in our circles, vegan like Greta and therefore look like the walking death, like a line in the landscape. With me, a man literally reaches into the void.
My classmates teased me in puberty with the abbreviation “BMW” (Brett mit Warzen), which means ‘board with nipples’. With me, you can piggyback through a straw, and if you forget your key, you just shove me beneath the door. I don’t need a female body shape, which after all only serves to nourish children I don’t want to bear. There are enough children in the world, Germany, which is still deeply fascist, capitalist and misogynist, should be abolished for good, and all its children aborted. I am the product of an anti-German single-parent libber who hated herself, just as I hate myself and, in fact, all white people.”
How convenient that the energy/economic policies of the WEF are all being advanced/achieved after Schwab’s WEF Commie agent (Putin) invaded Ukraine…lol
Thesis (NATO/Ukraine) Antithesis (Soviet Russia/China) Synthesis (WEF Great Reset/Agenda 2030/Whiteocide)
Hi there, interesting article. The starting point should be that the EU was setup as a USA/CIA colony after WWII. Since covid19 plandemic and the WEF the masks are off and still loads of voters adore the current “leaders”. Our constitutions have been trampled, even by courts, our economies are into the gutter. People are still “having fun” just like before WW I.
It’s the GreatReset full throttle. There is no turning back bc our “leaders” are finishing the Washington agenda like you wrote.
As a Dutch, trying to freethink, citizen it’s scary to see it evolve.
EU will be a disaster zone hugely in debt, etc.
I believe Professor Hudson subscribes to “modern monetary theory” (MMT). I wonder if recent events have caused him to change his view on the real world utility of MMT.
Inflation rates recently spiked to 7% per the official calculation (or 11% using the 1990 method), which caused an historically unprecedented collapse in the market values of formerly “ultra-safe” US Treasuries.
Per the Professor:
So according to the Professor, the dollar will remain in demand in the shrinking world of US hegemony with the rest of the world increasingly using gold to replace the reserve role formerly performed by the USD.
The transition won’t happen overnight, but as the Eurozone collapses and the Global South and Global East transition away from the USD for bank reserves and transactions (e.g. India and Russia recently beginning to settle oil purchases in INR), all those USD sequestered overseas for those purposes will come flooding back home, resulting in the USD’s collapse.
In the recent past, the US FedGov spent money, issued debt to pay for it (or increasing amounts of it) and then the Federal Reserve printed money and bought the debt (failing other buyers). This is a version of MMT where the US FedGov prints money and spends it.
But what happens when nobody wants the USD? Read Adam Fergusson’s “When Money Dies” for further details.
There are far bigger problems for Germany than just energy crises, mass immigration has basically destroyed Germany, and unlike eventually recovering from energy problems being racially replaced is a point of no return problem.
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even if I give the benefit of doubt, and even if I use Occam’s Razor deleting the least-most bs terms to try to come down to a coherent statement,
I still can only see as pure, unadulterated insanity by Hudson.
The Jew Morgenthau’s plan come to fruition. 😡
Civilization has no future unless a fourth option arises: National Socialism.
Commies = LEFT arm of the BANK$ (oil) Cartel
NeoCon ChickenWarHawks = RIGHT arm of the BANK$ (oil) Cartel
In other words, all of the BACK ROW chess pieces (both black and white) only PRETEND to be rivals. BOTH SIDES work for the BANK$ (oil). The pawns are oblivious.
Churchill & Hitler = BANK$ (oil)
Putin & Zelensky = BANK$ (oil)
Roman & Pharisee = BANK$
Babylon & Pharisee = BANK$
They are going to race-mix and become brown people like in Brazil. Too bad, so sad. The current German government is bringing even more migrants, they say they need them for the economy. It’s no consolation, but the situation in France and the UK is even worse.
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I’d assume Dr. Hudson is aware of the issues you cite. Lacking is an equally aware interviewer.
Hudson sure has faith in the US continuing, but nothing could be further from the truth, the US is slowly disintegrating from within. Not too far into the future it be a spent force with little influence in Europe or anywhere else in the world. Any US troops stationed overseas should get out as soon as possible as being stuck overseas with no government support is not a pleasant experience.
What Germany is going to do, when you get around to it, is negotiate a modus vivendi with the Russian Federation (RF). They sell you raw materials, you send them manufactured goods. Slavs are not going to industrialize to the German level because Slavs are not Germans, and will no more tolerate what is necessary for industrialization than will, for example, southern Italians.
In addition to selling you raw materials, RF will put you under its nuclear umbrella. Then you get to play with the other BRICS, which become ERICS as Brazil has problems right now.
This has been obvious from the day that RF invaded Ukraine with that “Kiev express” operation.
Can’t happen? The USSR couldn’t collapse either. They had one of the biggest internal security forces and armies in the world. Which switched sides when they saw the prospect of continued and eternal poverty staring them in the face.
I once worked for a private company, where the Father who was the CEO retired. His eldest son took over the place as the new CEO, not because he had business acumen but because he was the eldest.
His nickname was also “Four” after the Purchasing Manager stated (tongue in cheek) you had to write a 400 page report to buy pencils from a different supplier. The new CEO Wizard had to approve
failing which he flew into a rage. Result, people left, the company failed and was bought out !
What does this have to do with Germany ? Same thing.
Lets see. The man selling coffee at the train station knows that Germany depends on Russia for its energy, fertilizer etc to maintain its industrial capacity. Therefore, and this is simple logic, if Russia dont send same, German industry lose game. DUH !! ?? How fucking smart do you have to be to put 2 + 2 together ?
This logic seems to escape the highly educated politicians the majority of them never having a JOB. To me it seems there are three reasons:
1. They are ignorant that Russian supplies fuel the German economy.
2. THEY will not be affected financially or be cold this winter
3. They just dont give a shit about the electorate
Of course people will say they are under the control of Washington. Fair enough ! But when an associate is leading you down the garden path its time to end the friendship and dump them. Individual interests trump the interests of other people.
Further, even if they dont give a damn about the electorate, they should be smart enough to realize that a cold man and a hungry man is an angry man. When he has other mouths to feed he is liable to get really pissed. Hence, the Politician may be voted out of office or even worse.
Stupidity seems to rule everywhere. My question is how violent will be the explosion when the millions of immigrants in Germany, who have nothing to lose, run wild when their “comforts and perks” are threatened.
I am sure others have noticed that there are minor conflagrations here and there in different parts of the world. One wonders if they will remain small locally or become huge locally and then huge worldwide.
It seems to be we are long overdue for another worldwide blood letting. Mass slaughter seems to be an integral part of man’s genes, a necessary element to get rid of an accumulation of bad blood, no pun intended.
They can’t racemix and become brown if their fertility rate is 1.4. Same goes for England and France. No fertility = no major population-wide changes in appearance.
Besides, a huge portion of immigrants to Germany are light skinned Caucasoids from Turkey and the southern Levant, who are not brown. Mixing with them would tend to lighten the immigrants, rather than brown the Germans.
I guess you live up to your username though. One wonders why they don’t just shitcan this abominable faggot calling himself “Dumbo”.
Prison guards are not there to protect the inmates from the outside world. They are there to keep the inmates in their cells.
And by analogy, NATO is not in place to keep Europe safe from the non dollarized world. They are there to keep them locked in their dollar-debt prison.
Once Germany rejects their Stockholm Syndrome, Post War guilt and throws out NATO, they may … just may … be able to salvage what they have built for themselves post WW2. If not, it will eventually be a Redux of WW2 where their country lays in ruins and gets divided up by the usual scavengers for further looting. The Nord Stream bombing should have been your wake-up call that you are in an abusive relationship.
The question is whether or not the tectonic racial strain will survive. If it doesn’t by interbreeding then German greatness is gone forever. If it survives there is hope for a great revival someday.
Rapidly turning into chaos. See Paul Joseph Watson and Nigel Farage this am on Zero Hedge. Camp of the Saints unfolding in our faces.
Anything digital is nothing more than a series of 1s and 0s..
if the meaning of the bits in an 8 bit sequence of bits is assigned a meaning; then the 8 bit sequence is said to formatted, each of the possible 256 bit arrangements can have different meanings. if the sequence being evaluated at the moment, is not.. 1011 1111 the program could be designed to ignore everything else for example.
for example 0000 0000 <= ignore take no action. or blow up the world or anything in between.
0000 0001 <=can't have a 2 this is binary; only 0s or1s are allowed in each bit position.
0000 0010 <= 2nd possibility 1 in position 2 could mean 2, but could mean something else?
0000 0011 <=the third possibility, it could mean 3 , but likely means something else?
0000 0100 <= the forth possibility a 1 in position 3 could mean 4, or something else?
0000 0101 <=5 or 1 in position 3, 0 in position 2 & 1 in position 1, could mean something else?
0001 0110 <=6th 3 111s in positions 3, 2, 1, c/b 6th or something else.
0000 0111 <=7th possibility, this 8 bit configuration could mean something else.
0000 1000 <=8th possibility, this 8 big configuration could mean something else.
0001 0000 <=9th, = the no. 9 or a nine bit configuration could mean raise the draw bridge.
0001 0000 <=10th, or a 8 bit configuration could mean lower the draw bridge.
0001 0001 <=11th, or a 8 big format which means open the gate.
0001 0010 <=12th, or a 8 bit format, this configuration means close the gate and blink the sign.
0001 0011 <=13th = 13, or it could mean start the engine or something else.
0001 0100 <=14th =14, or could mean increase the engine output to 2500 Rotations/ minute.
0001 0101 <=15th =15, or could mean increase the engine output to 5500 Rotations/ minute.
0001 0110 <=16th =16, or could mean transfer the funds between bank A and bank b.
0000 0111 <=17th =17, or could mean feed the cat.
0000 1000 <=18th =18, or adjust the refrigerator temp to 36 degrees F and warm the over.
0000 1001 <=19th =19, or turn off the refrigerator and adjust the oven to 200 degrees.
0000 1010 <=20th=20, or start the car and let it idle.
0000 1011 <=21th =21, or back the car out of the drive way and park it along the street.
0000 1100 <=22th=22, or open the bomb bay doors?
0000 1101 <=23th =23, or release the bomb.
0000 1110 <=24th means 24 or cuff the individual at the ATM to the ATM or something else.
0000 1111 <=25th means 25, or something else.
0001 0000 <26th means 26, or take a picture of the current use at the ATM.
0001 0001 until all 256 possible position sequences of 0s and 1s have been assigned a meaning.
left most 1111 1111 right most
so a segment of bits can be formatted to have meaning and a computer program can be designed to read the bit configuration in the bit stream (8 bit sequence has 256 different (0 and 1 position possibilities) and the software evaluates each bit configuration of one of the 256 different and executes its logic to or for some purpose. Computers are programmed to execute based on the configuration of formatted bit streams.
So formatting the meaning of a fixed number of bits, in a bit stream means to give meaning to bits in that fixed number of bits. (in the example above 8 bits is the fixed number. and there are 256 different possible meaning assignments.
what digital means is a function of the logic of the computer program (or person) that reads the digital bit stream.
Digital is not the problem. The problem is the secret and hidden meaning of the programs that the government or its contractors use to make use of the bits that is the problem. Democracy requires full disclosure. The issue in freedom is that the government and its contractors do not publish how the bits are formatted or used by the programs the government or its contractors run to spy on people.
I meant teautonic, not tectonic
The Zionist-controlled US Financial Empire is slowly but surely coming to an end, no matter what these evil Zionists/Neocons, who control the Federal Reserve, do.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/israel-the-scourge-of-empires/
Ukraine could have been a bridge between Europe and Russia. Now it is a wedge.
This is probably why the war is allowed to continue. It will make it difficult for any rapprochement between Russia and Europe for a generation or more due to psychological scarring.
As far as the US is concerned, the more horrible the better.
It seems like we are exhausting the minutia at the expense of the essential.
The Ukraine has plentiful natural gas, their recent history is composed of anything BUT the development of natural resources. So 40 years of war equals?
I thought the German economy was going down, as this interview shows. So they still need more migrants?
I would suggest that the U$A will not achieve the above.
The Russians will take it all and partition Ukraine.
Well, we (the Americans) had to learn how to stop worrying and love the bomb. The Europeans are going to have to learn how to stop worrying and love the bear.
Hating everything and everybody (fear) doesn’t allow self-reflection as one will “avoid suffering” at all costs.
This is the basis of Covidiocy. Psyhcological operation deploying fear.
This the basis of ‘most’ decision making in the Collective Waste.
Once one realizes that our prime purpose on this planet is “suffering”, then one can challenge, rather than succumb to fear.
It isn’t over yet. Things can happen to force changes. Plenty of whites are aware of our predicament. But we are at a crossroads. We need a big event like a great depression to change things.
Interesting.
Since the US is in utter decay to the point where states or parts of states are voting on the possibility of secession (east Oregon with Idaho, parts of California, and “Texit,”–there are Texit signs all over far west Texas, and even in the big cities)…and “president” Biden’s destruction of the southern border has a lot to do with this, I’d say (since you are a European) you shouldn’t worry much about the US “getting their way.” The criminal psycho elites running the US at the behest of the Davos Crowd (at the behest of their god Satan) are exposing themselves to the point where even the idiot wokesters will “wake-up” one o’ these days knowing their side will lose. More and more the American people are “seceding” from our so-called “overlords” and will not comply (and those that so will wind up dead either by vaxx or by screwing each other over thinking they’ll win favor…vengeance, for we still have guns doncha know), so maybe it’s time for you Europeans to so the same?
“Down with US Imperialism, and all its running dogs”–Mao got this one correct!
So, do something about those “running dogs”, your European leaders.
The Baltic states are being used as little kids told to poke a bear in a cage for the amusement of some sadistic adults. The adults see that the lock on the cage is getting weaker but the kids are oblivious to this. The adults want it to break.
Some forgotten recent history.
Several months back the Estonian President or Premier (it’s confusing) went public with an analysis paper from NATO (which was not confidential) which stated that NATO expected the Russians to overrun the Baltic statelets, but mighty NATO would co-ordinate and drive them out after 180 days! (laughter). The Estonian woman resigned but the kitten was out of the bag.
Some Stoltenberg asswipe came out in response to this and said that NATO was (just then) forming an elite force of 300,000 rapid deployment troops to be available for any incursion on NATO’s sacred ground in an attempt to pour a little water on this embarrassment.
Then the story/scandal disappeared. Memory hole anyone? Don’t believe me, check it out.
I started to watch a recent video from this Miersheimer crawdad who seems to be respected on this site and it didn’t take 5 minutes before he mentioned the sacred inviolability of Article 5 in the NATO proclamations. I switched off immediately because I really don’t like to listen to stupid people especially when they could go on for hours. Why don’t they have an erection test for political commentators? If you can’t get a stiffy, time to retire.
I know people in the Baltics and I can tell you that enough of them know the real score but then again, just like with Covid, more than enough think they know the other score and the issues are so emotionally charged that they can split friends, families and marriages.
We live in unique times where the people with knowledge, reasoning, facts and even-keel tempers back away from frothing at the mouth zealots of the official narrative just to keep the peace and keep families intact. I have this in my personal life.
The emotional element of propaganda has somehow increased without astute people noticing.
Cheers-
Mass migration, eh? I’d say as one who visited England and France in 1970 (the days of Enoch Powell, correct?) that this “mass migration” has only been going on since the 50s, starting with the end of colonialisation of Africa, India, Pakistan, etc., and yet Europe is only in total decay now because of the new mass migration? That would apply more toward the US, which was once “the melting pot” of mass migration of those who chose to assimilate. Todays “mass migration” won’t–heck, we’ll be lucky if they even learn English! Because these folks, being human and sex slave trafficked since the Demonrats think that’ll work to make the US demonrat-controlled ‘Communist’, will never assimilate and more likely wind up dead (even if they’re not “vaxxed” to the hilt!), housed in fancy hotels or not!
But I guess since the Ottomans couldn’t take over all of Europe in the 1400s… I guess Europeans will make up for that this time around? But that’s okay, whites in Europe…you can always come here and “vote Republican”….that’ll take care of those Demonrats! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah!
There is nothing wrong with rentier economics.
Private property in land and real estate, like all other kinds of private property, represents frozen labor, i.e., capital. Protected/developed land is of economic value, and accordingly is bought, sold, leased, rented. A buyer paid for it with money he earned by working or by investing in and prospering the enterprises of workers, including entrepreneurs.
The only “unearned income” that exists is income which is taken by physical force, for example, tax revenue, the proceeds of armed robberies, and the loot of socialist rule – that last being the kind which is favored by the Red would-be commissars currently being pumped by the left as innovative economists.
These advanced thinkers believe that everyone should be doing manual labor, or that at 90+% of the population should. Anything more complicated than digging ditches approaches parasitism to that extent, according to the analyses of these neo-Marxists.
In their mouths the term “industrial capitalism” is merely a euphemism for Stakhanovism – universal abstemious toil is the ideal, everyone (except the advanced thinkers) digging those ditches and owning nothing. “Who does not toil shall not eat!”
For the 90+%, there is to be permitted no frozen labor – no “rentier income,” no investment, no capital. But a system in which, for instance, all debts are periodically wiped out is a subsistence economy. The invariant Marxist desideratum and history is universal inescapable penury. Marxism is neither science nor economics, but a councel of envious nihilism.
In my country (the USA) conflicts are fairly mild. We do what we can to avoid upsetting other people and thus avoid conversations about politics. For me, there’s little to say since the news outlets now lie so obviously and blatantly that anyone who is not a fanatical believer in the system can discern most of the lies.
The emotional content of propaganda has always been there and in reality emotional manipulation is the main thrust of all propaganda. People may be reacting emotionally because they are confused and upset as the over-rapid change of the past half century or so has worn us old folks and young folks down. We need a new dispensation to digest this post-modern world we in the West live in–we’ll find it of that I’m sure.
I really like Hudson’s point of view though I don’t share his deeper philosophical ideas since I’m not a Marxist though I feel it presents us with challenging analyses of the political economy. The Imperial wizards have taken full advantage of the childish credulity of the Euro public and their belief is “the authorities” at all levels. Most of Europe has been ruled in a fairly benign way since WWII unlike the blatant gangsterism manifested by US elites so this is understandable. What is not understandable is the poverty of the intellectual class in Europe that is as bad as that in the USA.
Europe will recover and reclaim its heritage or become a theme park manned by immigrants while the native Europeans will degenerate into drugs and various absurd ideologies like workeism and view their poverty as a way to heroically fight evil coming from the East. For me, as a lover Western civilization his is a deeply tragic situation–particularly the failure to see the US imperial agenda which is so obvious to many of us. It is the US counter-culture that is paving a new way to the future by simply being interested, to varying degrees, in something we might all recognize as truth. We Americans know there’s a bad smell to Washington and soon more people will realize that we have, at the top, a criminal elite who come as close to any definition of evil as it’s possible to be. I don’t think most Europeans are even close to seeing this.
Hudson seems to have an almost religious faith in governments improving the “infrastructure” of their people, as opposed to evil privatization. He includes health care and education as parts of infrastructure. Even if we accept his broad definition of infrastructure haven’t governments made horror shows of both health care and education? I can’t think of anything more wrongheaded and inefficient than a government program. And why is privatization automatically a bad thing? Oh My God someone will turn a profit! Is that worse than the inevitable INDIFFERENCE of a bureaucracy?
I wonder…
Video Link
In this fascinating and informative interview one little point leaped out at me:
Wondering if Hudson has the same low opinion of the that gang as myself, I made a search which uncovered this:
The Chicago School’s Record of Infamy
https://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/12/the-chicago-school-s-record-of-infamy/
“Somewhat” dense is an understatement.
“…become brown people like in Brazil.” A common misconception derived by a lazy and pervasive cliché of what the Brazilian population demographic is. Whites are far more racially sequestered, racially conscious and strive to NOT mix with any other race or ethnic other than European derived.
How would I know? Unlike you, who just repeats and internalizesatomized donkey dung in sandstorms-like in Eqypt-I know what I am talking about because half of my family are Euro Brazilians.
On a personal level, I make every attempt NOT to repeat second hand hand-me-downs on an ad hoc, unchecked and unverified basis. I strongly suggest you raise your standards and do similar.
That’s because your reference and knowledge base is entirely local yodel, i.e, JooNighed States. Several large corporations are “public” in Singapore. But, they operate with a consensus, max benefit to all parties AND make a profit.
Well, gee whiz. You see, they are smarter than to accept false dichotomies, doctrinal ideas, and set categories. That’s for the mediocre and lazy.
The corporations were set up to perform as if they were private, pursuing excellence, performance, and profit. I personally experienced this at Singapore Shipyard. As good as any I’ve been associated with over a 3 + decade career.
Very well thought out. The background to all of this is the constant decline of average intelligence throughout the Western World, declined educational standards, spirituality, and emphasis on character and integrity.
People today (I’m 74) are FAR less interesting than in my youth. Today, most people are statistical collective closed loop recordings.
A real economic wonder is the high Swiss competitiveness in the industial sector – even though they pay their workers (and their teachers, nurses, policemen…) very well – and don’t tax the hell out of them either (80 000 dollar yearly income is 56 000 dollars in Switzerland after taxes and 39 000 in Germany, Belgium or France).
In a worldwide ease of business ranking (setting up and running factories/ businesses effectively and profitable) Switzerland ranks No. 3 or so worldwide (Sweden is high on this list too)!
Hudson is an economist. Nuff said. It’s not a profession with a great track record of predicting the future.
The future is so dark for the deindustrialized and bankers-devoured US that the “deciders” and war profiteers grab what they can in the hope of abandoning the country for some greener pastures in Patagonia or Indonesia as soon as the future hits.
Some call the ongoing process in the EU “fascism on the march.” The unnatural calm in the empire of Lies is provided by vast infusions of the worthless US dollar.
The criminal warmongers of Bolton & Kagans’ kind would undoubtedly arrange already a nuclear strike on the Russian Federation, but the US supremacists & looters are defanged by the superior Russian weaponry. The CIA/MI6 training of self-proclaimed Ukrainian Nazis — with the support of the Jewish Lobby and the American Jewish Community at large (including the Jewish State) — does not look good for the US military and the Holobiz feeders.
By training and weaponizing Banderites, the US army brass and the MIC bosses exposed themselves as dishonorable scum spitting on the graves of soldiers who died during WWII. As for the holobiz museums and holobiz classes polluting the US educational system, it is impossible to avoid the hard and well-known facts of the role played by Zionists (Gershman, Nuland, Kagans clan, Sullivan, Price, Blinken, Sherman, and more) in the Nazification of Ukraine. The Jewish Fuehrer Zelensky, a supreme commander of Nazi military formations in the Ukrainian Army, is a cherry on the Zionist pile of the Nazifyers of Ukraine.
Instead of the bleeding-heart fiction concocted by Elie Wiesel and Otto Frank, the world now knows about the shelling of the civilian populations in Donbas by Ukrainian followers of Stepan Bandea (see SS Waffen Galicia) on orders from American Zionists. While American Zionists were very successful in promoting the wars of aggression in the Middle East, their success in Ukraine exposed the Jewish Community as a nest of hypocrites and genocidal warmongers. Not a good press.
Mostly agree about Marxism but certainly not about the obvious need for a debt jubilee.
Germany is still 74% German, 87% European. It’s as white as the USA was in 1965. There’s not that many immigrants there.
Immigration to Europe has been nothing like the Biblical wave of human transplantation that America has seen. In Germany, Turks, the largest non-Christian minority, are not really non-European. Some of them are quite Teutonic like, and Adolf Hitler was found of Turks as a whole.
They don’t give a shit, the economy is horrible all around Western Europe but migration (legal and illegal) continues to rise each year.
I don’t know for Germany but here in France race mixing is extremely common, and even if it wasn’t there’s enough Blacks and Browns having tons of babies to replace the natives, and most people don’t care, they just care about “integration” so that there’s less crime, that they are being replaced (you could even say genocided) is not a concern for the massive majority of the native population, some even see it as a perk.
The “overlords” (many are of talmudic persuasion) will not stop until frightened with an assured death. Parasites don’t leave their victims unless fumigated.
And what ziocon/neocon idiot came up with an idea to fete the Jewish Fuehrer Zelensky? His deeds illustrate the current “western values” too well.
“Volodymyr Zelensky and ethnopolitics, by Thierry Meyssan,” https://www.voltairenet.org/?lang=en
Add to that the official promotion of war crimes against Russian POWs and pro-Russia civilians. Is this why the Jewish Lobby so enthusiastically supports the opportunistic pest?
Shrink the government into a baby then drown it the tub or flush down a wide toilet .
Thats what people enter for, into a lot of public services like county and state hospitals colleges and universities then bludgeon these services to death.
There was guy Hayak who advised the countries to sell off assets to private entities ( why private loters with money ,? why not to each and every citizen orgnaized around local areas with hundreds of independent corporations for each state run corporations? ) .His idea was that big business should be divided and own by big guys who then would make sure that internal and extenal wars became the doctrines aimed at each other in the name of maximization of looting ( profits) for maximum efficiency ) . He should have seen Yeltsin Russia – looting, perculiar illgeal laws enacted ,media propgandizing ,money flowing out ,and entering to get more money out – and should have seen how war came to rescue when nothing could re elect Yeltsin. After that he should have waited to see how state run businesses are delivering better than the private run in Russia again.
Capitalism success could never be honestly expalined without the burden shared by the pooerer countries . Once we take that account ,we can say that it has not worked out well.
Today ,capitalism is facing crisis . War is the old answer . Even the crisis is not something akin to being on the death bed .It is just less porfits ,much less than before . So war is the answer .
Even ghe internal inflation in USA is accounted not by Covid,China, or suppply side but by blatant price distortion by the buisnesses .Search for profits account for 56% of the inflation.
We also dont allow market to operate freely . Governmnet officials leave offices and join corporations. Corporations send persons of choice to government . Governemnt colludes with Amazon Google Facebook Microsft and do their biddings . Govermnet kill alternatives and extend patent . Goverment sends marines to open foreign markets to the corporations that violate local labor laws and hurt local markets and destroy the local ecology .
Sad for France.
Rightwing regimes bent on destroying ALL public provision deliberately sabotage them. Where health is privatised, like the USA, tens of millions get no good cover, or are beggared by rapacious parasites, even when ‘insured’. Bravo, the Free Market!
Privatisation is theft from the common wealth, which is why parasites, big and insignificant, love it.Profits, whether from armaments, tobacco genocide, betting social destruction, advertising mind rape or any other life-destroying ‘busyness’ are always extracted from other people or the natural world, as a leech sucks blood from its victim.
The nature of the Baltic fascist micro-states was well illustrated when the Lithuanian regime persecuted a very elderly Russian Jewish woman for the ‘murder’ of Nazis and Lithuanian fascists (really deranged Jew killers)when she was a Soviet partisan during WW2. This was in the 90s, if I remember correctly, and shows really existing ‘Western Moral Values’ as naked as the day that bitch, fascism, their mother, threw them into this world.
The united States of America was largely successful due to the (lack of) ethics of most builders of industry, raking in millions in profits for themselves while ignoring the basic needs of those who made their success possible by their hard work.
It was common to see these “captains of industry” do their damnedest to pay their employees as little as possible while raking in massive profits benefiting only themselves.
These “captains of industry” attempted to redeem themselves by establishing “foundations” (which guarded their wealth, making it tax exempt) and indirectly countering their own beliefs that it was not necessary to pay their employees a “decent wage”.
They always pleaded poverty to their employees while living grand lives themselves.
One must not forget the “company town” with the “company store” which was a more advanced form of “slavery”, putting people in bondage by charging artificially inflated prices for goods while their employees wages were “not quite enough” to escape the cycle. Those who attempted to escape the “company town” were threatened with lawsuits and more for “moneys owed” to the company…
These injustices contributed to the rise of labor unions, which at first, were brutally suppressed.
There were exceptions, such as Henry Ford, who almost single-handedly created the middle class by paying his employees well above “market wages” of the day. Ford’s $5.00 per day wage was not entirely altruistic as it was also instituted to stem “turnover” as assembly line work was monotonous, but his writings have stated that one of his objectives along with the institution of the 8-hour workday was to make it possible for workers to “enjoy the fruits of their labor”.
The “robber baron” label, being criticized by today’s proponents of “capitalism” and “free markets” have it wrong. We have never had truly “free markets”…
You are an idiot with your long-winded wrong explanation. 8 bits can represent any number from 0 to 3679.
The deployment of the Nazi Banderites against the Russians does seem hypocritical but it makes perfect sense to the rulers in Ukraine and to the U.S. State Department.
Both agencies are Zionist controlled,which means the end justifies the means.
Russian Christians and Nazis killing one another is “good for the Jews.”
The Ukrainian people have been deceived and used badly by their oligarchs and the U.S.
Let us hope and pray for their deliverance from this nightmare.
Thank you for your comment.
The problem is the median age in Germany is 47.8 y0, not 20:
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/median-age/country-comparison
The above comment by me,#68 was meant for annamaria,#57.
This interview was geared to the German situation.
Michael Hudson has spoken at length on the dangers to the worldwide financial system.
Some of those pieces have been published right here at TUR.
Teutonic?
Central-/South-Americans are also not really non-European:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America#Ethnic_groups
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_America#Racial
Until 2019 when problems started emerging ,various authors of repute, universities,and think tanks using distorted data,incomplete data,and discarding the enduring and widespread positive impacts of the pre- capitalist economy were spreading the most noxious toxic and harmful claims – extreme poverty was eradicated by the capitalism across the globe and extreme poverty was the permanent feature for the 90% human being for the entire human history until 1880.
These are their reseacrhes and polemics:
Bourguignon, C. Morrisson
Inequality among World Citizens: 1820–1992
The American Economic Review, 92 (4) (2002), pp. 727-744
M. Ravallion
The economics of poverty: History, measurement, and policy, Oxford University Press (2016)
J.D. Sachs
Can extreme poverty be eliminated?
Scientific American, 293 (3) (2005), pp. 56-65
H. Rosling, O. Rosling, A. Rosling-Ronnlund
Factfulness: Ten reasons we’re wrong about the world – and why things are better than you think
Sceptre (2018)
S. Pinker
Enlightenment now: The case for reason, science, humanism, and progress
N. Kristof
This has been the best year ever: For humanity over all, life just keeps getting better, The New York Times (2019)
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There is a sustained propganda at many levels in support of the western behaviors dating back to the start of the looting.
You may want to acquaint yourself in the history of the times when the Soviets occupied the Baltic States prior to WW2. The tortures, liquidations and deportations of the flower of the respective nations was brutal and lost to history. In Latvia’s case, the two major commissars responsible for this were Shustin and Citron, both Irishmen. People in small nations notice ethnicity.
You may also want to look up the status that partisans have in any given war.
That old whore was lucky she didn’t run into me. I might have called her a bad name.
Cheers-
Government can’t be used for/by
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Trying to rephrase your argument. He who controls the data-streams [it used to be, “he who controls the money stream” (analog printing)] controls societies. Digital data in and out makes this easier and faster. Recollection of data on anything, directed analysis, and processing, output all. Allowing for more precise agency, control, ambition.
A computer is a dumb thing, the instructions hard-wired into the chips can be combined by the kernel and then by higher up structural languages, their libraries [all humans responsible for the crunch, the machine for the grunt] are then translated by all flavors of programmers into more instructions [ as in combinations of the hard-wired set, the instructions implemented by the layered higher languages].
So digital in itself is not a menace. Big data makes simply immediate and better sense to fewer individuals. The grander part of the world population cannot play this game by lack of [human] processing power. Outliers cannot play this game by lack of brute force processing power [of the machine this time around], and what i see as the grandest impediment, no access to existing recollections of quality data. Data at standstill and in motion are monopolized, as much at unz, their is no search function over the total of the database, less so at WordPress in it’s totality, github and consorts, “social” media. Driven by greed in the end, individuals in numbers bigger then ever, just smart enough, keep feeding the monster that returns nothing back into the public ether. This phenomenon is far beyond point of no return, fewer individuals and groups in a more precise way control almost all facets of the human world. To understand the digital world is prerequisite to comprehension of anything else.
Any system can be corrupted, it is still the human end that does such. Not the machine part. To the same set of instructions, the same machine will consistently answer in the exact same way [be there dragons, above is as much of a simplification(s) as reduction allows].
In short, above resembles the micro-wave versus cooking on charcoal. One needs prerequisites that we the dinosaurs [the public, almost the totality of the population] do not possess. Game over, this cannot be turned back but by pulling the plug on comfort, serotonin and porno. That, we are not willing to give up.
I’m familiar with Brazil. Even if Euro-Brazilians don’t mix that much, they are what, 30% or so of the population. The other 70% are non-white — a brown majority, mostly a mixture of white-black and Indians, plus some Asians and some Lebanese. Well, nothing against it, it’s their country. But even if Germany remains 30% “pure” German, it’s still not a very good outcome for them, as the country was almost 100% German not long ago (Brazil at least has the colonization excuse, what’s the German excuse?).
You missed the point, entirely. I am speaking to the attitude and clear thinking of the White plurality there. They are not confused or conflated about racial differences, and it is a priori a given for Whites that you don’t bring home a black or mestizo, your children certainly do not date or hang out with them. Get it?
Well, you missed my point too. I’m not talking about Brazil (it was used just as a comparison, I could have used another multicultural country), I’m talking about Germany.
Also, I don’t think that Euro-Brazilians necessarily avoid other races. The separation just happens naturally. In part for class and status issues, but, in part, because it’s more or less what comes more naturally. It’s natural for each race/ethnicity to want to be more with its own. Only current decadent Europeans/Americans appear to be going against nature.
“The united States of America was largely successful due to the (lack of) ethics of most builders of industry, raking in millions in profits for themselves while ignoring the basic needs of those who made their success possible by their hard work.”
Several notables that should not be ignored
1. Ford motor Company
2. Trade unions, unions
3. two world wars
And the advent of mass entertainment and communication
No…. inefficient and ineffective governments are the problem. There are countries where the government functions well so things like healthcare and education are actually good.
What looting? Colonialism was loosing money.
Dear Paul Craig Roberts.
I believe that you may have misunderstood the MO of Russia.
By taking out the puppet regime in Kiev, Russia would still be tormented by the real aggressor NATO.
By occupying all of Ukraine, Russia will have moved its border right up to NATO,s border, and will have lost a buffer Zone (independent Nation) between Russia and NATO.
As you know, Washington is no longer the sole perpetrator of global aggression.
The awful ideology of Fascism conducted by the US since 9/11 have come out of hibernation in Europe, Canada and the UK, and has hijacked all NATO Nations.
This is an existential threat not only to Russia, but to us all.
I believe that Russia and its allies in the BRIC organization (2/3 of the Global population) has a much larger agenda than what you expect.
By taking a slow approach in the Ukraine operation, Russia has provoked the West to induce more and more sanctions against Russia and to supply more and more western military weapons to Kiev. This has actually slowly depleted the weapons arsenal of European Nations, and the sanctions against Russia have backfired against NATO nations, by creating a deep economic RESET for the Western Population.
The RESET is threatening to Crash the US and EU economy.
The RESET is building tensions between Europe and America, and is threatening to fracture not only NATO but also the EU.
So besides slowly destroying NATO weapons and Western NAZI mercenaries in Ukraine, Russia is also leading a Global alliance BRIC to isolate America in trade. This process is slowly being backed by a growing discontent among the European population, to defeat Fascists warmongers who (once again) have become a threat to us all.
Seen from Washington, a quick war with Russia would be preferable to this slow grinding down of Americas Imperial status and Global Isolation. However, the rest of the world is feed up by its warmongering and have united to slowly end its tyranny.
Europeans don’t love and admire America anymore, because you are hurting us by Financial fraud, Mass migration, Biological Weapons, Economic sanctions, Sabotage and War in Europe.
Lithuanians and other Balts were overrepresented in the communist revolutionaries who were killing Russians during and following the revolution. So you’re only concerned when they are victims but when they’re perpetrators that’s fine.
Only at the end
That is why the Brits carried out sabotage at the end. A comment in the SCMP some years ago:
Also:
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Correct! Once the colonies were bled dry and no longer worth the costs – they were then discarded. After hundreds of years of wealth extraction. That guy has no clue what he is saying. The colonists would have bankrupted themselves Looooong before colonialism ended. I mean that type of thinking is senseless. A company can’t bleed money for a decade and this guy thinks colonists could bleed money over centuries. Caribbean sugar colonies were the equivalent of Gulf oil countries now. Except it was not the locals who made the fortunes. It was only after WW2 and sugar was more widely available were they “given independence”. A complete joke. I mean of course after the constant rebellions became too expensive and the Brits had to free the slaves it became less profitable. So what did the Brits do? Import indentured labor from the China (through Hong Kong) and India and Ireland and Scotland. So they became less profitable because a pittance is still more expensive than slave labor…. But they were still profitable and strategic…. And we all know the Brits wanted to hold on to Hong Kong after 1997. Much has already been said on here about that. Hong Kong was the money laundering capital of Asia. Basically the City of London in the East. Highly profitable!!!
Rare to find such a straight talking man as Lee Kwan Yew. One of the greatest leaders of the 20th century.
Dr Hudson is going to have to address Web 3.0. Saying digital currencies are not his department doesn´t cut it. This is the system being put into place east and west, by thousands of corporations, NGOs and faith based investors. This system of cybernetic control, geofencing, and loss of rights and accountability enabled by technological advances is a threat to natural life. The destruction of cultures, and natural systems is necessary to the rollout of web 3.0.
Dr Hudson would be the person to point out some of these dangers. But it might offend his employers.
Yes, he cherry picks facts to reinforce his pre-existing bias; the rest, he ignores. Same with his Luscious poodle.
This I think is the root reason why their countries are falling apart. All have their favourite points of view and hold on to them dogmatically. There is no sense of the necessity to fairly parse all the evidence before arriving at a FAIR and balanced picture.
Alp Arslan.
Sounds like a character on the Jackie Gleason Show.
The right-wing anti-government liberalism of the Austrian and Chicago Schools has destroyed the NATO economies from within.
Truth.
If you think “loosing” is how you spell “losing,” then everything else you say is stupid and wrong.
Read the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect.
Does Austrian and Chicago Schools have any influence in Western countries?
Nope, not profitable more or less throughout.
Check out the Little Englander Movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Englander
In its original meaning during the late 18th and 19th centuries, a “Little Englander” was a member of the Liberal Party who was opposed to expansion of the British Empire, as well as certain traditionalist conservatives who wanted England to extend no farther than its borders at the time. The term was also used for English people who saw the British Empire’s colonies as economically burdensome and wanted them to be granted independence as quickly as possible.[1]
British PM William Gladstone was always an opponent of any exapansion of the British Empire.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/british-and-irish-history-biographies/william-ewart-gladstone
Gladstone always opposed imperial expansion and annexation, arguing—in a vein now common among economic historians—that expansion into tropical areas was a dangerous deflection from Britain’s true economic and strategic interests (he was, however, a keen proponent of development of the ‘white’ empire). But he always lost the decision (if not the argument) and was an unwilling party to major imperial expansion in Africa and the Pacific.
More buffoonery from a nutter. Slavery related industries at most contributed 6% to the British economy. And the Caribbean is just a side show, India was the true jewel in the crown of the B.E. and even India was expensive. British PM Disraeli
“And, gentlemen, of all its efforts, this is the one which has been the nearest to success. Statesmen of the highest character, writers of the most distinguished ability, the most organized and efficient means, have been employed in this endeavor. It has been proved to all of us that we have lost money by our colonies. It has been shown with precise, mathematical demonstration that there never was a jewel in the crown of England that was so truly costly as the possession of India. How often has it been suggested that we should at once emancipate ourselves from this incubus. Well, that result was nearly accomplished. When those subtle views were adopted by the country under the plausible plea of granting self-government to the colonies, I confess that I myself thought that the tie was broken. Not that I for one object to self-government. I cannot conceive how our distant colonies can have their affairs administered except by self-government.’
from Benjamin Disraeli, speech at Crystal Palace (24th June, 1872)
What???On what basis?
There was nothing much to bleed, in the first place, the populations they conquered were poor and backward.
Rubbish. Slavery was continuing in the Arab World all the way till the 1960s and would not have ended without British pressure. There is slavery in Mauritania and Yemen as we speak today. What you are saying is fartings of a deranged.
https://unherd.com/2021/09/how-liberals-made-the-british-empire/
How liberals made the British Empire
By 1791, the Sierra Leone Company, run by liberal humanitarians including Wilberforce, had taken over governance of the nascent colony, initiating a process described by the historian Bronwen Everill as one where abolitionists had adopted a worldview “defined by this loose coalition of ideas: the ‘civilization’ of Africa via an end to the slave trade, adoption of standards of western life, material culture, and institutions; Africa’s conversion to Christianity; and the introduction of ‘legitimate’ commerce to simultaneously replace the slave trade, enrich the colonies and the metropoles, and inspire ‘civilized’ consumption.”
As with the humanitarian interventions of our own era, ideals of free trade, globalised capitalism, military intervention and the conversion of downtrodden natives to liberal Western ways were intertwined from the start. For Sierra Leone’s governor, Charles MacCarthy, the division of the colony’s unexplored forests into parishes run by the Church Missionary Society was the beginning of a process that would make “Sierra Leone the base from whence future exertions may be extended, step by step to the very interior of Africa”. As Everill notes, “colonisation was a developing anti-slavery ideology,” which “disrupted local economies, power structures, ideologies, and religions in much the same way that settlers in Australia or North America overcame the aboriginal peoples.”
Yet the failure of the Niger expedition radically altered the process by which the British conquest of West Africa took place. Instead of leading through example, the British Foreign Office and Admiralty found themselves drawn into an ever-widening series of military interventions to eradicate slavery at its source, which would lead inexorably, though unintentionally, to direct colonial rule. Firstly, the anti-slavery campaign of the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron turned out to be almost wholly ineffective: the trade in enslaved Africans boomed over the course of its deployment as American and Spanish merchantmen, backed by their governments, refused the Royal Navy’s authority to board their slaving vessels.
Instead, the Royal Navy settled on a policy of eradicating the slave trade on the ground, sailing into coastal towns and villages to pressure their kings and chieftains to sign agreements banning the sale of slaves, and bombarding them and replacing their rulers when they did not. Bit by bit, driven by the unintentional logic of humanitarian intervention, Britain found itself the master of much of the West African coastline.
Many Africans were bewildered by the shift in British policy, and the destruction of their traditional ways of life. As late as 1897, the Nigerian historian Philip A. Igbafe observed, the deposed Oba or ruler of the Benin kingdom pleaded from his jail cell for permission “to catch some Urhobo slaves for sacrifice as the rains were falling too incessantly for the good of the people and their crops,” a request the new British rulers denied.
By 1865, the parliamentary select committee chaired by Charles Adderley was strongly advising against any further extension of direct control and urged British withdrawal from Africa, though only once the slave trade had been finally extinguished, an exit strategy whose conclusion seemed to stretch further and further out of reach. The financial benefits accruing to Britain were, contrary to modern perceptions, negligible: throughout the early and mid-19th century, trade with the entire African continent made up less than 2.6% of Britain’s trade balance.
As even James Stephen, described by the historian Seymour Drescher as “the Colonial office’s most influential abolitionist undersecretary” warned, “[If] we [Britain] could acquire the dominion of the whole of that continent [Africa] , it would be but a worthless possession.” As the Times complained in 1873, “why do we retain or even extend what we call a Protectorate over this pestiferous coast?” And yet, as Huzzey notes, “Anti-slavery policies locked an unwilling state into obligations toward African colonies.” And then as now, it was the moral crusading of journalists that drove Britain into its next wave of imperial expansion.”
Even during the French Empire, France lost money on it’s African colonies. French colonization cost more than it yielded 2 years out of 3.
2.1 % of French GDP was spent on an average in French colonies each year during about a century…
That is 3 times more than the OECD recommendation established in 1969 for ODA (0.7% of GDP).
That is overall the equivalent of 7 European Recovery Program (“Marshall Plan” as they say in France) that was GIVEN, not lent, to the colonies by France.
This is a proven fact by French historians(cf Jacques Marseille and Daniel Lefeuvre works).
Who said that colonialism was profitable for English people?
It was profitable for England as a state. And why even assume that he profits would be shared equally amongst the whole populace of that state? Bless you Malla, are parts of you are turning socialist?
Of course the elites creamed off the good parts and gave nothing but excuses for more taxation to the common folk.
If colonialism were not profitable for the ruling classes of Europe, the bunch of them would not even have partaken in it at all.
You have a good heart my friend, for believing that they did it out of benevolence, but I am afraid you have been misled by their sweet words.
This is exactly what the anti-colonial Marxist liar scum do, they dominate the Universities and the media in the West.
They are falling apart for a variety a reasons but it was anti-colonial crack-pottery which led to the destruction of most of the Third World. Anti-colonial “leaders” brainwashed by crackpot theories and greed of power torpedoed their own countries. That is why the gap in per capita income in between Africa and Europe has actually INCREASED enormously after decolonisation.
Most of those rich elites of the colonies went to the European metropoles and got brainwashed with socialism, anti-colonialism crackpottery and Marxism. Then they came back to rile up the placid masses against the same Empires, and later after Independence unleashed stupid post-colonial socialist crackpottery to torpedo their own country to shithole. That is a big story of decolonisation. Same story for British, French, Dutch, Belgian etc…Empires. Examples among many are Nehru, Kwame, Nyerere. Nehru and the Indian revolutionary leaders got influenced by a Marxist Jewish crackpot named Lansky (pro Soviet, hated Hitler) in Britain when they were getting educated there. Independent India was a Lanskian Socialist economy with low Hindu rate of growth until bankruptcy in 1990s. But at least Nehru was not a thaggard, other nations were not that lucky. So decolonisation and some form of Marxism was indoctrinated into these Westernised the metropoles of the European empires themselves!!!!! Wow!!
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Empire of the Mind: Episode 10: Victims of Anti-Colonialism
Video about Suriname and the brutal thaggard Surinamese dictator Dési Bouterse and the Dutch Empire.
Check out the old black Surinamese grandma woman Lisette Munslag say at 7:14 minutes in the above video: “I think there was still the people who went to the Netherlands. They got educated over there. Agitators. Social agitators all educated in the Netherlands and they brought back the dynamic of like okay..we need to become independent. They got..they got educated in the Netherlands by the anti-colonial mindset right…they get educated they get indoctrinated with EXACTLY (her stress) the things that were not good for the developing countries. They brought all um..Can I use the word….all the garbage. …All the garbage that was not uh uh beneficial or productive for people in the colonies. They brought all those things back, social destabilising environment, political upheavel…so I was 13…”continued.
Earlier at 5:34 minutes in the above video Dr. Gilley says: “But Suriname’s radicals educated in European cafes made common cause with the radicals of the ruling labour party”
Same story in nearly all colonies, western educated elites educated in Western European Universities came back radicalized.
Yup, black granny says it right, the students got brainwashed by leftists in Europe and came back brains full of Marxist garbage and then torpedoed their own countries with glory. LOL.
So India was the crown jewel but yet you claim India was a drain for Britain. You make not the slightest bit of sense. And sure in your confused world Britain had sugar colonies because they wanted to help the natives and the Africans – not because they made money. Then of course yes Southeast Asia and Hong Kong made no money for the British – they Brits were just being nice by colonizing. Do you realize you sound like a maniac. British fortunes came from the hard work they did in England right???? You are not even intellectually honest with yourself and your sources I wish I could tell them to their face what I think of them. You are a mixed up soul. And I don’t have time to reply to all 3 of your comments
Either that or crazy. Building an empire for benevolence rather than profit? Imagine that. Only in the movies – not real life. All that “white mans burden” talk was only after all the resources were plundered. His other sidekick that was on the other page at least admitted it was about exploitation. He said he was glad they did it rather than someone else getting the spoils. At devious and evil a heart that is (like a drug dealer who says “well they will buy the drugs from someone anyway”) – I can at least “respect” that he was honest about it.
We’re actually answering our question from December 17th.
Here is an excellent interivew, conducted by a professional journalist, Paul Jay.
Hudson goes into some detail about what happened AFTER The FED, in 2009 opened the floodgate of $10 Trillion for the wealthy/super wealthy from 2009-2019. (This is a 2020 interview.)
He explains the repercussions of that FED decision that continues to haunt the US Financial System, and how it has further destroyed the US citizenry.
One can also deduce, that another result of opening the FED spigot, the US Financial System, is starting to take over the UK & EU financial/public works/industry, etc.
https://theanalysis.news/feds-10-trillion-defends-assets-of-the-rich-michael-hudson/
Please listen/watch the interview.
Thanks littlereddot, I always had socialist tendencies. Anyways, there are different types of Socialism and both free trade and socialism have their own pros and cons. Maybe try to combine the pros of both.
And yes, even Mr Unz had discussed this, that these Empires might have been used to channel wealth of the common tax payer of the Metropoles into the hands of the connected. Even many of these wars America fights abroad may be used not only to launder money of the elites but also to channel tax payer’s money of Muricans into the hands of the connected via contracts.
Status. Having India as part of the Empire brought status and prestige to the British Empire w.r.t other Empires. Even Hitler, who earlier supported the British Empire and then began opposing it (by supporting Indian revolutionary Subhash Chandra Bose) wrote that The Englishman’s pride is in the fact that India is part of their Empire.
Both the USA and USSR built huge amount of nuclear weapons, much much more needed to destroy each other and the World yet they built them, huge stockpiles, much more than needed, wasted money of American and Soviet peoples. What for, there was status competition involved.
India also gave the benefit to the British Empire of force multiplier in Asia as well as a very central location to control (or prevent the control falling to rival European powers) global trade.
But yes it was expensive.
100%.
If Empires would be what decided the real National values, during WW1, it would not have been Germany but Portugal which would have been the rival of Britain and France. Germany united later, and had an overseas Empire for a lot shorter period of time and a much smaller overseas Empire than the Anglo-French Empires. Portugal had an Empire the longest. But it was Germany which was seen as the main rival. That is because, Germany had a bigger population than Portugal and had industrialized much more. It was the internal engine of European nations during Empire which were primarily driving things.
Maybe the British improved the lives of some Indians at the cost of mass murdering millions, tens of millions, or hundreds of millions?
How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians
https://historiesofcolour.com/THE-BRITISH-RAJ#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20the%20myth%20that,an%20estimated%2035%20million%20Indians.
https://mronline.org/2022/12/14/british-empire-killed-165-million-indians-in-40-years/
https://bharatabharati.in/2015/07/28/between-1757-and-1947-british-colonials-starved-to-death-more-than-60-million-indians-ramtanu-maitra/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-35-million-deaths-britain-shashi-tharoor-british-empire-a7627041.html%3famp
A you tube vid even claims that Britishers murdered 1.8 billion Indians.
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I have debunked all this bullshit several times before. Do I have to do it again? I will.
False, the British Empire improved the lives of all Indians, but improved the lives of the most vulnerable and oppressed, the most. The British did not kill tens of millions of Indians. the truth is tens of millions of Indians were dying regularly of famine BEFORE we became part of the British Empire. It was the British Empire which put an end to famines in India. How?
1] By building irrigation systems, the largest irrigation system in the WORLD at that time was built by the British Raj Government in British India to help Punjabi farmers.
2] By building a dense railways system to transport food during famines.
3] Famine codes and irrigation codes. Far from Indians dying, the Indian population boomed during the British Empire.
Again you give the British colonists credit for something that ancient Indians had long before the Brits arrived – irrigation.
https://journalsofindia.com/irrigation-techniques-of-ancient-and-medieval-india/#:~:text=the%20twentieth%20century.-,Irrigation%20system%20in%20Ancient%20India%2DRingwells%20and%20their%20uses.,kosa(pails)%20of%20water.
So Indians had irrigation and sewers before the British arrived and thereafter became starving street-shitters. OK, I guess you’ll say it was the Muslim occupation which degraded India while the later British colonisers tried to improve conditions, and maybe you would be right (or not?). Although, as I mentioned before, medieval Muslim occupation elsewhere was not particularly known to have had such a degrading impact, and in fact is recognised by some as having had a civilising effect.
British irrigation was far more expansive than anything which existed earlier in many places they repaired old irrigation systems built by Hindu kings in South India but which had fallen to disuese for a long time.
Check out form 112:35 minutes, the most incompetent genocide ever. LOL
The amount of land irrigated in Indian subcontinent in 1800 AD was 0.8 million hectares which under benevolent British Empire rose to 22 million hectares in 1947.
http://www.yourarticlelibrary.com/irrigation/irrigation-development-in-india-during-british-rule/60643
Irrigation Development in India During British Rule
During British rule, the canals of Ancient India were subsequently remodeled, renovated and converted into perennial canals in the first half of the nineteenth century during the British rule. This was followed by a large number of diversion works with extensive canal systems. Important among them are the Upper Ganga Canal, the Upper Bari-Doab Canal, the Godavari delta system, the Krishna delta system, the Sirhind canal on the Sutlej River which were constructed towards the middle of the nineteenth century.
Then started an era of storage reservoirs. The storage dams like the Khadakwasala near Pune with the Mutha canal system and the Periyar dam in the erstwhile Travancore State to divert the west flowing Periyar waters towards the east were constructed in the later half of the nineteenth century.
During the closing decades of the nineteenth century the country was stalked by successive famines. It led to setting up of a series of Famine Commissions. As a follow up, schemes like the Betwa canal in Uttar Pradesh, the Nira left bank canal in Maharashtra and the Rushikulya system in Orissa were executed.
At the turn of the twentieth century First Irrigation Commission was set up to take stock of the existing irrigation facility and to make recommendations for its furtherance. As a result of the findings of the Irrigation Commission special attention was given to the development of irrigation in the country.
The Godavari canal, the Pravara canal and the Nira right bank canal in Maharashtra, the Sarda canal in Uttar Pradesh and the Gang canal in Rajasthan were some of the important works constructed in the pre-independence period of the twentieth century…….
The largest irrigation project in the world from 1880s to 1940s was not in the USA, Brazil, China or the USSR but in British India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Canal_Colonies
The Punjab Canal Colonies is the name given to parts of western Punjab which were brought under cultivation through the construction of canals and agricultural colonisation during the British Raj. Between 1885 and 1940, nine canal colonies were created in the inter-fluvial tracts east of the Beas and Sutlej and west of the Jhelum rivers. The Punjab underwent an agricultural revolution as arid subsistence production was replaced by the commercialised production of huge amounts of wheat, cotton and sugar.[1] In total, over one million Punjabis settled in the new colonies, relieving demographic pressures in central Punjab.[2]
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In the 19th century, the vast majority of the population was settled in the fertile regions of central and eastern Punjab. In the western Punjab rainfall was too low for large scale agriculture and resulting in large tracts of barren land.[3] Most of this land had been assigned as Crown land and lay unused.[5] In the 1880s the British Punjab administration of Charles Umpherston Aitchison began the process of engineering a vast irrigation scheme in the mostly uninhabited wastelands. The two stated motives for the project were:[6]
To relieve the pressure of population upon the land in those districts of the Province where the agricultural population has already reached or is fast approaching the limit which the land available to agriculture can support and to colonise the area in question with well-to-do yeomen of the best class of agriculturists, who will cultivate their own holdings with the aid of their families and the usual menials, but as much as possible without the aid of tenants, and will constitute healthy agricultural communities of the best Punjab type.
The British Indian government hoped to “create villages of a type superior in comfort and civilisation to anything which had previously existed in the Punjab”,[7] which in turn would increase productivity.[8] This increased productivity would then boost revenues for the government. To finance this ambitious project, capital was raised through the sale of governmental bonds in Britain, offering investors the chance to benefit from the interest charges remitted by the provincial government.[9]
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To improve the economic position and standard of living amongst Punjabi agriculturalists, the British Indian government had passed a series of farmer friendly measures. The Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900 removed the zamindar’s (landlord) right to sell or mortgage his land without the approval of the district officer. These officers usually only approved a zamindar’s request if he belonged to a tribe designated as an agricultural tribe by the government. The restrictions were designed to halt the flow of land outside of the agricultural community, and prevent further indebtedness towards moneylenders by curtailing cultivator’s credit. Although the Act drew protests from the commercial tribes and money-lenders, they were unable to garner support from the cultivators whose interests had been protected. In the following years, encouraged by the lack of agitation further farmer friendly measures were introduced by the British Indian Government, such as the Punjab Pre-Emption Act which stated agriculturalists had first claim on any land sold by a villager.[4]
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The Punjab, despite being only 9.7 per cent of the total area of British India, had by 1931 9,929,217 acres irrigated by canals colonies, the largest area in British India, and representing 46 per cent of the total land irrigated by canals. This was two and a half times greater than the Madras Presidency, second in this category.[55] The canal irrigated area in the Punjab increased from 3 million acres in 1885 to 14 million acres by the end of the British Raj in 1947.[56]
The canal colonies acted as a primary industrialising agent in the British Punjab. By 1921 the proportion of the population supported by agriculture was lesser in the colony districts relative to in the non-colony districts, because a significant population in the colony districts was engaged in industrial pursuits.
Prior to the establishment of the colonies, many farmers in the Punjab were in debt to money-lenders. However, with the increased incomes in the colonies, the proportion of debt owed to traditional money-lenders was considerably less than in other non-colony areas.[57] Furthermore, by obtaining the grants at nominal prices, the settlers were able to enjoy the vast capital appreciation of their land as it grew increasingly productive.
LOL, the British Empire had a far more civilizing effect and far less destruction than Muslim rule as they were from a far more superior civilization at that time.
As the great Indian intellectual Mahadev Govind Ranade wrote:
“It cannot be easily assumed that in God’s Providence, such vast multitudes as those who inhabit India were placed centuries together under influences and restraints of alien domination, unless such influences and restraints were calculated to do lasting service in the building up of the strength and character of the people in directions in which the Indian races were most deficient. Of one thing we are certain, that after lasting over five hundred years, the Mohammedan Empire gave way, and made room for the re-establishment of the old native races in the Punjab, and throughout Central Hindusthan and Southern India, on foundations of a much more solid character than those which yielded so easily before the assaults of the early Mohammedan conquerors.”
“Both Hindus and Mohammedans lack many of those virtues represented by the love of order and regulated authority. Both are wanting in the love of municipal freedom, in the exercise of virtues necessary for civic life, and in aptitudes for mechanical skill, in the love of science and research in the love and daring of adventurous discovery, the resolution to master difficulties, and in chivalrous respect for womankind. Neither the old Hindus nor the old Mohammedan civilization was in a condition to train these virtues in a way to bring up the races of India on a level with those of Europe, and so the work of education had to be renewed, and it has been now going on for the past century and more under the Pax Brittanica with results—which all of us are witnesses to in ourselves.”
Sorry, I meant check out from 12:35 minutes in that video.
Arslan is a Turkic name meaning lion.
OK, but you have to put it in its historical context. Comparing civilisational contributions centuries or millennia apart doesn’t say much. Islamic civilisation expanded at a phenomenal rate over the first few centuries and Indian civilisation expanded all over SouthEast Asia as far as Bali. They couldn’t have lacked in ambition or want for adventure to achieve all that. What Mahadev seems to be describing is characters produced by ancient civilisations long in decline and comparing them to modern British civilisation.
When one has cows, one doesn’t abuse them till the all die. One feeds them well, and grows the population, to have more that can be constantly milked.
And when they stop giving milk, then they become sausages.
Yeah all I can do is shake my head… but whatever the accuracy of the numbers – we know for sure they caused death and destruction wherever they went…. but some still see them as benevolent. Scary.
Ah I get it. Now I get it. That the real game of of Belt and Road? Win-Win. For a while the cow also wins (safety from predators, easy supply of food) and farmer gets Win, milk. Until when the cow will become old. Oh, now I see. Thanks.
Ramblings of a certified monkey whore. With a few exceptions, wherever the British Empire went, they improved the place for the locals. And the British empire was nearly always a boon for the most weak and disenfranchised against the local strong. Whether it was banning of slavery in Africa, whether it was emancipation of the lower caste Hindus from the tyranny of upper caste Hindus or emancipation of Hindus from the rule of Muslims or the Muslims of parts of today’s Pakistan from the rule of Sikhs or whether it was stopping the exploration of the felaheen from the Sheikhs as well as the stopping the exploitation of the Sheikhs by the Turko Egyptian elites, in Egypt, The British EMpire in general always helped the weak against the strong.
Sure, there were some dark chapters, but the British Empire definitely was the most benevolent Empire in human history.
Other populations, especially the Hindus, the Muslims, the Chinese, the Africans etc…are EXPERTS, are EXPERTS in covering up the dark sides of their own history and presenting a “perfect history” of themselves. While the British (and other Westerners) were far more into self criticism (at times psychotic, at times competitive self criticism) especially when facing brown-black populations.
What is scary is how easily history was twisted around, at times 180 deg opposite and spread around by Marxists and third World nationalists.
A sovereignist argue that it isn’t the business of foreigners to interfere in other countries for better or for worse and that it is up to the people themselves to improve their own situation. Anyway, when the British left they mostly handed power over to those Sheikhs and some such other elites still in the service of British interests – not necessarily in all the former colonies but many.
Oh no, the BRI is to circumvent a US blockade.
Besides, in the BRI, the individual farmers keep the farms and milk their own cows they way they see fit. The belt and road is simply that, the way that the farmers export their milk and import fodder.
It is different from the British Empire where the Emperor of India first installed local rajas to milk they cows and send some of the profits back to England.
Later the Brits dispensed with such disguises, sent their own white farm administrators to milk to cows directly.
Funny thing is, some of those cows actually thought that the farm administrators who milking them and turning them in sausages were doing it for their benefit. These are interesting cows. I wish I could talk with them.
That would have been better for the White Man, but worse for the Coloured Man.
The only whore here is you… A whore for the Brits. You take it in any orifice for a drunken British sailor in their colonial uniform. You’ve taken too many of them and lost your brains… They infected you with Stockholm Syndrome…. Not an ounce of self respect. They improved lives wherever they went? Good excuse. Wipe up the dribble.
Looking at it now, with hindsight, yes. But little did they know when they sent out the ships to colonise the world in search of profits. The drive to thoughtlessly maximise profits will be the end of us all.
Exactly the language Indian Nationalists use against Indians who are sympathetic to China. Exactly the same language.
You are wrong, defending facts and truth comes with a lot of self respect.
Fact. Again, the most benevolent Empire in human history.
LOL Nice disguise.
Such third rate history makes my eyes water. Where do you inhale such farts???
Which Rajas did they install? Emperor of India put local Rajas? The Emperor of India was Mughal. Mughal put up local Rajas to milk cow?
Communist history class makes brain dumb.
LMFAO Which year did that happen?
This is the dumbest history lesson on India ever, too much marxist brainwashing (using the human emotion of envy to gain and keep power) has led to death of grey and White cells in brain.
False, you are mixing up trade missions and colonial governments. Colonialism was not much profitable.
The same can be said about Islamic invaders to India or North Africa, they had no right to interfere. Same can be said about the expansion of the Russian Empire. About the Zulu empire.
You are mixing up Egypt with the Arabian peninsula. In Egypt, the Turko Egyptians were the elites who exploited the Sheikhs who in turn exploited the Felaheen (peasants). The British stopped this exploitation chain. As far as the Sheikhs of Arabia, the Saudis became American clients and the Americans were quite anti-British in those days in that region.
Sigh, why do you deny the obvious, and easily provable? Let us start here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Jafar
The British contact with India was over 300 years. The Mughal empire lasted about the same time and there were significant overlaps. Both the Brits and the Mughals were not uniformly powerful over their respective periods of time. When the Mughals were strong, the Brits could not much influence. But when the Brits were strong and the Mughals weak, then of course the Brits would get a foothold.
But this is why I find you interesting. All the above are easy to understand and widely available. But yet, you CHERRY PICK time periods from over 300 years of contact in order to support your favourite view.
Do you know that these are the beginnings of delusion?
Sigh, why do you deny the obvious. 1858
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj
My dear Indian friend. What kind of history have you made up in your head? You are blessing the guy who has turned you into a sausage and has eaten half of you already.
Let me ask you this. If it were not fair skinned Brits who conquered and ruled India for 200 years, but if it were a ebony skinned Nigerian Kingdom. Would you still be so enamoured of them?
How Chinese nationalists think:
Deny the obvious; LMFAO, you have jumbled up Indian history driven by peculiar false anti-colonial stereotypes.
You claimed that the Emperor put Kings on the throne to do milking in barn and then you give the example of Mir Jaffer. LMFAO.
Who was the Emperor of India when Mir Jafar was put on the throne? Shah Alam the Mughal.
You know why Mir Jaffer was angry at the Nawab of Bengal Siraj Ud Daulah and thus he supported the British. because a Hindu was promoted above him which he as a proud Muslim found insulting. He was removed from the throne by the British later because he was making secret alliances with the Dutch East Indies (VOC) Government in Batavia against the British East India Company.
Then you talk about the transition from British East India Company (EIC) Government of India to the British Raj Government of India. For your kind information, during the British EIC rule as well as the Raj’s rule, we had both white administrators as well native Kings enjoying suzerainty in India. These Kings existed will 1947.
Milking took place only in first few decades of EIC rule but was tamped out by the British themselves. After that no miking but only wise rule.
If those Nigerians would have been of the high quality in civilization, gentlemanly, intelligence, vision, justice, benevolence etc… like that of the British, then yes. Skin colour is not a factor.
But in the real world, the probability of some Nigerian Kingdom conquering an Indian Kingdom was pretty low, they would have no chance against Indian military forces, the Nigerians would have been wiped out in no time.
Yes, I am seeing this weird mentality of Chinese Wumaos. It seems nations make up their own misconceptions and lies to sooth their egos in a complicated world. Our Wumaos have their misconceptions but the Chinese deserve it.
What kind of Sikh is that???? WTF LOL.