* Posts by I ain't Spartacus

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On one Prime Day, Amazon warehouse workers endured '45% injury rate'

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Re: How?

We'd have to see the proper report to know. A daily 45% injury rate sounds like a lie - or such a ridiculous misrepresentation of the figures that it's basically a deliberate distortion of the truth. How would you get anything done.

However if you're spending 8 hours a day packing boxes, unpacking other ones (probably with a sharp blade) and moving stuff about - you've got a good chance of getting cuts on your hands or dropping stuff on your feet. Plus fingers trapped between boxes or by the wheeled carts you use to move stuff around. And that's just the picking staff - I've worked for a courier company and if you're spending hours in the warehouse then your hands are in an unfriendly environment. That's before you talk about loading and unloading lots of trucks, forklifts, pallet trucks and the like. And something I didn't have to deal with was warehouses where stuff is stacked on 15' high shelves. Which people shouldn't be climbing on - but it happens if things aren't properly designed. And people will cut corners with safety rules to get stuff done quickly even if they're not being pressurised by management to work faster - and it gets even worse when they are (like at Amazon).

Of course this depends on how automated stuff is, because where I worked was a tiny firm with no money and one very small warehouse, plus 3 or 4 vans. Amazon should be a lot better - but they've got so many different products and different ways of stuff reaching their warehouses that I suspect it's all more manual than it should be.

You have to continually tell people off for breaches of H&S, even just basic stuff like bending your knees to lift stuff not your back - you can injure yourself even with quite lightweight stuff that way. Again, if things are well designed there shouldn't be anything at floor height, so you shouldn't need to bend at all.

There's all sorts of scope for injuries from the trivial (scratches and minor bruises) to the fatal. Plus if the warehouse isn't well designed and people are having to lift boxes you've got all the back injuries and muscle strains. Or stuff landing on people. But I'd have thought a certain amount of minor skin injuries are unavoidable, and your hands toughen up pretty quickly. Wearing gloves solves most of it, but makes you a bit clumsier for some jobs. I've never liked gloves and only worn them for the heaviest of jobs. I'd hope H&S has improved since my experience in 1992 though.

China's Honor debuts laptop with bonkers removable camera that lives in a little slot

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Re: but I'm presuming the manufacturers know a lot more than I do

Jimmy2Cows,

Well, if we all read everything that was stuck in front of us we'd never get anything done.

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Re: but I'm presuming the manufacturers know a lot more than I do

That last bit's easy. Honor are also releasing 2 foldy phones. Guess it was in the same press release?

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Folding phone sales up

I was in a phone shop last week. So I had a good look at one of the folding phones on display.

It feels really weird when you bend it. If you put your finger on the screen, if feels like glass, but then moves and bulges in very odd ways. It didn't feel like a system that would last a long time, but I'm presuming the manufacturers know a lot more than I do. But I'm going to stay away from the tech for a while.

I do like the idea of something like an 8" tablet that folds in half to become phone sized.

Kaspersky culls staff, closes doors in US amid Biden's ban

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Mark Exclamation,

Russia has chosen to exit civilised society.

Not Russia. Vladimir Putin. There is a difference - and I think it's an important one, seeing as we might want to improve relations with Russia at some point.

The full scale invasion of Ukraine appears to have been his personal policy.

Not that there aren't a lot of Russians with blood on their hands. There have been so many human rights violations in the invasion of Ukraine that it's going to be hard to have normal relations afterwards. Particularly as Putin does still have some support. But we almost certainly want to signal to ordinary Russians that we're not a threat to Russia, and that our beef isn't with Russia - but with the current Russian government.

I'm still happy with banning Kaspersky. But I think it's important to make the distinction if we can.

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Re: Should I ever choose...

I don't believe your government are telling you what software you can use.

Kaspersky are being banned from operating in the US market. It would be an offence for them to sell software to you, but not for you to buy it off them. Although of course that will make it harder for you to buy it, if you really do want to.

This is what we have governments for though. Foreign relations and product standards are perfectly reasonable roles for government and I believe your Constitution allows the government to regulate the market and gives it sole control of foreign policy.

This is also for perfectly good reasons of policy. The Russians are being far more aggressive than the Soviets were during most of the Cold War. They clearly believe they're engaged in political, intelligence and economic warfare with the West. Russian intelligence and hacking activities have been at a very high levels in the last 15 years. Particularly recently. But the Russians have carried out quite a few assassinations in Europe (and tried a few that have failed) - in a way that just didn't happen in the Cold War where there were tacit (and sometimes explicitly agreed) rules established. Putin and most of his cronies being ex-KGB know those rules - and have chosen to break them.

Since the big invasion of Ukraine in 2022 hacking of our infrastucture has also gone up massively, leading people to suspect that they're planning to make attacks. As well as actual attacks on pipelines and undersea cables. And some possible physical attacks on factories - though some of those are hard to attribute (and may be random events). I'm pretty sure that GRU did blow up a Czech arms depot in 2016 though - which was shipping weapons to Ukraine. As well as murdering a Bulgarian arms dealer involved in another deal with Ukraine (or the same one I can't remember).

So Kaspersky are a potential threat that has to be at least considered. It's even possible that our intelligence agencies know something already. It's been pretty clear since the US and UK decided to release intelligence on the invasion of Ukraine in 2022 that they've got some decent sources somewhere. Probably technical, as some of the info they released could lead back to an actual agent and get them killed (or locked up for the rest of their lives). But equally it could just be precautionary.

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What I find ironic is companies trusting Microsoft Defender - made by the same company that created the problems in the first place...

If Microsoft were the only company to make insecure software, you might have a point. As that's far from the case, your point is silly.

Unless you're alleging that they put security holes in deliberately. In which case trusting their security software would be pointless.

FBI gains access to Trump rally shooter's phone

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Re: Fingerprint ?

Might also have to simulate blood flow and body temperature, too.

Uncle Slacky,

Are there any mobile phones that even care? I don't think most do. There was a guy a few years ago who was using gummy bears and lifting then imprinting people's fingerprints onto the surface to fool the sensor.

Nobody will implement this in future either. As is proved in the documentary Demolition Man - where the prison warden's eye on the end of a pen opens all the doors.

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Re: Dead men tell no tales

A few years ago, my brother woke up to find his then 8 year-old son had come into the bedroom and was trying to manoeuvre his phone and thumb into the right position to unlock it. In this case it was because he had a family iTunes account and his son wanted to download an app.

I'm guessing with face unlock it's even easier - he could have just pointed the phone, and got away with it. Don't know if face unlock works to authorise the app store in the way you can set thumbprint to.

In this case though, your face looks different when you're dead. Because all the muscles relax. Plus the brief period of rigor mortis - but I've only ever seen bodies before/after that stage. They don't look the same as when they're asleep - but don't know if that's in a way that computer face recognition would notice?

Yandex sells off Russian ops, remaining Euro-biz now Putin itself about as Nebius Group

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Twitter had a lot of wealthy (and in some cases very influential) users. It was even making small profits. And yet there was very limited advertising on display in comparison to either Google or Facebook. So there was definitely money in buying it and trying to play the targetted advertising game - with extra emphasis on trying to use all those journalists and celebs to help (hopefully unwittingly so you don't have to pay them for it). Admittedly $44 billion was insane. But it was definitely worth a decent number of billions.

South Korea orders 'Star Wars' lasers to blast Northern drones out of the sky

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Yup. We have Sky Sabre. And we've got a Giraffe! link to Wiki of Giraffe radar

It was a bit slow for early deliveries, so I don't know how many sets we now have operational. A quick Google says we've got about 6 batteries (command vehicle, radar and 4-6 launch vehicles) but info doesn't seem to be that reliable or well sourced. MoD secrecy again.

But Poland are buying it, along with more Patriots from the US.

Sky Sabre is the land version of SeaCeptor (the RN's shorter range SAM - Aster / Sea Viper being the long range one). This uses the CAMM missile, which is heavily based on the ASRAM to save costs - but is radar guided (active seeker - so its own radar built in).

Most of NATO have worked under the assumption that we could easily achieve air superiority. So not built up our air defences. And while prep has been done for drone warfare, and militaries have been talking about it for a decade or two - there's a difference between the relatively small number of drones our forces have and the vast numbers of quadcopters with 3d-printed grenade launchers stuck to them that are flying round the front lines of Ukraine. Plus ballistic and cruise missiles are getting cheaper - and Iran are willing to hand them out like sweeties nowadays.

So I think a big investment is needed. SPAAGs (self-propelled anti-aircraft guns) need to make a comeback (like Germany's old Gepards that are doing sterling service in Ukraine. They're cheap and cheerful. But only being short range means you need an awful lot of them. Starstreak and Martlet are also pretty good for short range air defence. Stormer is decent but doesn't have radar - but can be networked to SkySabre - to give layered defence.

We should also have bought SAMP/T - which is the land based version of Aster (Sea Viper) - which France and Italy came up with. France gave a set to Ukraine. We're retro-fitting some of the anti-ballistic missile tech from that into the Type 45 destroyers' missiles - as well as buffing them by giving them an additional 24-36 Sea Ceptor. The Navy have also got all the SPAAGs they need - so it's time we got the army some of this stuff.

There's also anti-drone electronic warfare. And I think we're going to have to get in on one of the anti-missile satellite networks. Tracking cruise missiles is hard - they're only 20 miles from the radar horizon if they fly low enough. So you'd need a radar every 40 miles to track one - and then you'd often get minimal warning. Tracking them from above would be better.

Apart from that bit - and drone-hunting drones - all the tech exists. We had Navy Phalanx systems mounted on trailers, with a generator, to defend the bases in Afghanistan, so all this can be done with the will. And the budget.

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Re: Strange winds they have in Korea?

Winds can be different at different heights. This is how you can steer, sort of, hot air balloons. Or you just wait for it to be blowing the right way.

One of the initial gas attacks in WWI in 1915 went horribly wrong, because the wind changed. At the time they weren't using shells - but gas projectors. Basically a fancy name for a tank with a tap on it. The german idea of PPE was a piece of cloth soaked in chemicals that you strapped over your mouth. It only worked for a short period of time and didn't protect your skin or eyes. But could be re-charged by pissing on it. German troops were often reluctant to advance into allied positions, even when everyone was incapacitated - until they were issued better gas protection.

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Re: the North's recent use of balloons laden with garbage

I'm not sure about his Dad - but Kim Jong Un's Grandad still holds the title of Eternal President of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. He died 30 years ago - but even that doesn't stop him still being in charge. Surely that's got to be worth something in a fight?

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The Navy plan to have all their ships fitted with lasers by 2027. I think the frirst one is supposed to happen next year.

As the ships have already got Phalanx and most have either 30mm or 40mm cannon fitted as well - it seems that the Army would be the better place to get them. In my opinion the army should also get themselves some sort of gatling gun / cannon air defence system as quickly as possible. We do have Stormer, which can knock drones down with £20k Martlet missiles - so it's not as cost-inefficient as using expensive SAMs - but guns is cheaper.

Trump threatens to send Meta's Mark ‘Zuckerbucks’ to prison if reelected president

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Re: Unless you live in a swing state your vote makes zero difference

John Smith 19,

The Electoral College is there for a reason. I can't see the smaller states voting to get rid of it, or the fact that they get 2 Senators each. Whoever wins any election, with any size mandate.

It means the big states can't completely outvote the small states. And there is good sense in that sometimes, even if it means you also get results you don't like. The alternative might see a candidate who could win big in California, New York and say Texas or Florida being able to virtually ignore a lot of the states.

Of course one downside of taking notice of all the states is that government work gets inefficiently spread around in order to share out the Pork. And you can lose space shuttles doing that. But then one alternative to that might be all the work being hoovered up by a few populous states, because only their support mattered. California already does pretty well in terms of influence (aind lobbying) in the halls of government.

It's always important to consider the alternatives when you look at changing a system - because they're often just as bad as what you've got - just in different ways. If not worse.

The US is supposed to be a federal system, after all. Even if the federal government has got steadily more powerful over the years.

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Re: Which doesn't exist in the British parliament as that is round

Those lines don't actually stop them fighting. They just suggest it would be impolite.

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Re: Which doesn't exist in the British parliament as that is round

Helcat,

I'm not sure what you mean? Are you referring to the lobbies in the House of Commons? Where the right lobby is where you go to register a vote in favour of the motion - and the left lobby is the No lobby? So you might hear the Speaker say, "the Ayes to my right have it!"

Or are you referring to an earlier system of dividing when Parliament tended to meet in the old Whitehall Palace?

I'm pretty sure the left/right thing is from France. The Left were where the more republican parties sat - the right for the constitutional monarchists - and the non-constitutional monarchists too I think. Those on the left tended to be more radical in terms of their economic politics too - hence we ended up with left wing and right wing. Even at the time that didn't work, as you had so many issues swirling around. From whether to have a republic or a constitutional monarchy, whether to have free trade, low taxes and minimal government intervention in the economy (classical liberalism) or redistribution of land and property and help for the poor - and even whether to have a ten day week and change the names of all the months as part of a revolutionary calendar and then replace religion by starting a cult of the Supreme Being. Revolutionary politics got weird, and nasty.

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Re: UnDeadly to Whales or Wales

Gene Cash,

Ross Perot won the US election! I saw it live - but it was covered up!

BBC Newsnight were covering the elction - and something went wrong with their computers. Instead of states turning blue on their screen for Clinton wins - they started turning white for Perot. The first result came through and their prediction system then started colouring in all the other states - and it was showing a Perot landslide. The pundits were all in shock, and trying to explain it - when suddenly they realised the first state had gone to Clinton and it was just a software error. Oops!

Or is that what they want you to think...

I should imagine there were people at the Beeb who run the election coverage who had nightmares about that program.

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LOL only a Yank could think Labour have been left wing post 1997.

Allow me to introduce you to one Jeremy Corbyn. Leader of the Labour Party from 2015 to 2020.

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Re: Which doesn't exist in the British parliament as that is round

I'm not sure why he thinks Parliament is an oval - but the thing about Left and Right coming from the Assembly in Revolutionary France is correct. That was literally all the labels originally meant.

Coming up with political labels is an odd process.

EU officials say X’s paid-for blue check deceives users and breaks law

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Re: The European Commission is an executive branch

Charlie Clark,

I think it's reaonsable to call the European Commission the executive. Admittedly the EU is an odd organisation, so nothing quite fits. But it's in charge of running departments and spending budgets (although a lot of its budget is actually spent in member countries jointly with their own governments). It also has exclusive competences, such as trade or the Single Market, where the Commission - where it does make the decisions. As you say, it can make trade deals. So long as they only relate to trade, then they member states don't get a say. It can also pass Regulations - which are laws passed by the Commission alone in its areas of sole competence.

It's a bit more than a civil service. After all it has Commissioners (political appointees) who have departments that are almost ministries. They're much more like US cabinet ministers than say British ones.

On the other hand you've also got the European Council (heads of government) and the Council of the European Union (Council of Ministers) - which are other components of the EU that sometimes (often) compete for power with the Commission. And then the weird legislation system where for EU Directives (model legislation that the states must enact into compatible laws) - they can only be initiated by the Commission but are voted on by Parliament and drafted in Trilogues (meetings between Commission, Parliamentary leaders and Council of Ministers).

Google can totally explain why Chromium browsers quietly tell only its websites about your CPU, GPU usage

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Why is it in Chromium?

I can fully understand why Google put it in Chrome. It's anti-competitive, increases the browser's attack surface and is slightly (but not all that) creepy. So fits Google's MO perfectly.

But what advantage to Microsoft and Brave get from shipping it? It does nothing for them. Do they not review Google's code, and just copy and paste their browsers with a new badge on?

It also gives Google the chance to optimise their websites to say work more slowly if viewed in Firefox - stuffing as much crappy Javascript at them as possible - while sweetly putting up ap pop-up to say, "why not use our lovely Chrome browser" it'll work much faster. And then make sure it does. I'm sure they wouldn't do that (probably?) because they also want people using their other services, not just their browswer - though controlling peoples' browser gives you much more access to their data...

HP to discontinue online-only e-series LaserJet amid user gripes

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Re: I still will not buy a HP printer

Alan Brown,

My telly is 55". I can’t tell. Having 5% of normal vision will do that for you. I assume the 8k TVs are just a marketing gimmick though.

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Re: I still will not buy a HP printer

JimboSmith,

I tried to buy a TV off them before Christmas. Went to my local one two or three times at non busy periods when I was in the area. Managed to get help from non TV staff - none of them ever found a TV person. So I went to John Lewis. I could buy online and save some cash, but I didn't know exactly what I wanted and being visually impaired have a requirement to be able to read the onscreen display. Which means finding a staff member to find the remote control. Although I suppose I could just get a Humax set-top box to do all that, and have the telly be a complete dumb screen. Plus some have horribly over-saturated demo programs on in the store, so getting the two you like set up showing some football at the same time says a lot about the picture quality.

I think I upset John Lewis guy by telling him there was no difference between the one I bought, and the £200 more expensive (and smaller) one with the fancy super mega quantum pixels. I did explain that I can't see properly and can barely tell the difference between the normal and HD channels. I couldn't tell HD from 4k if my life depended on it. But HDR is lovely - when some director decides to film only by candlelight...

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Re: I still will not buy a HP printer

Jimbo Smith,

I don't believe your story for a minute. You're lying to us!

You never found a member of staff to talk to in Curry's!

To be fair to them, they actually seem to have had some product knowledge. So I don't think you have the right to complain that they didn't listen to your question as well. If they'd done that, the most likely outcome would have been some sort of universe-destroying paradox.

The couple of times I've managed to snag a member of stuff in there and asked even a really simple question, they've grabbed a tablet and stared at it slack-jawed, trying to find the answer on their own website.

Boeing's Starliner set for extended stay at the ISS as engineers on Earth try to recreate thruster issues

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Re: IT Crowd Solution

"Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"

Don't be silly! Of course they have!

The current question is how big a hammer, and how hard to hit it.

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Re: This is the third flight.

On the first flight, the software was fucked up and fired the thrusters to the point they were going to run out of fuel - until NASA mission control noticed and stopped it.

If I remember correctly they had problems with the fuel valves on the second mission. They got damp, and corroded. Nobody expects it to be humid on the pad in Florida right? They launched anyway but I don't think the mission was without its problems.

We're told that 5 of the 8 thrusters failed at some point, but that it was a software issue. Which was rectified. However the astronauts in this article said that they had degraded performance during docking, that they could feel. Which suggests that it wasn't fully fixed. Thrusters that might stop, and require a system reboot to get started again is one thing. Bad - but relatively predictable, maybe even relatively safe. Thrusters that fail due to software and then come back with reduced performance are even less safe and predictable.

I'm a bit suspicious. They have to say it's ready for an emergency return. Because the only alternative to that would be to send a crew Dragon up to rescue them (or at least be on standby as a lifeboat). Unless there's spare seats in the one that's already up there? It's obviously safer to leave them up there and learn more about the problem than to return to Earth immediately. There's a Dragon supply capsule going up in August, so presumably they could bung in flightsuits for them - if the Boeing ones aren't compatible?

Are Boeing going to have to do another test flight repeat - at their own expense?

America's new Sentinel nukes mushroom 81% in cost. Pentagon says it's all good

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Re: Utterly pointless

Zibob,

We do live with an eternal gun to the head. That's what nukes are. But before that, we also lived with an eternal gun to the head - which in that case was an actual gun. Of course, in the olden days - before the invention of the aeroplane - most civilians were broadly OK - so long as an army didn't turn up on their doorstep. Or the war didn't go on so long that famine hit the whole place. The Thirty Years War is estimated to have killed one third of the population of Germany (mostly through disease and starvation - but also an awful lot of violence). Once there were planes of course, then we could add bombing cities to the list of possibilities.

I'm not sure nukes create stability. But then I'm not sure there's ever been much stability to speak of. I strongly suspect their existence made the Cold War a lot less bloody than it would otherwise have been. Though predicting Stalin's actions after WWII is impossible.

In a more multi-polar world the risk calculation changes and also the number of countries with access to nuclear weapons keeps on growing. I don't think we have stability. If nukes make the world more dangerous, it doesn't become safer just because one power doesn't have them.

I don't see the world being more stable if the US say cuts its defence spending to normal levels, becomes isolationist and/or abandons its nukes. There's an awful lot of smug anti-Americanism in Europe, from people that would be horrified by a world not running on the current international system. But who also aren't willing to resource their own militaries, intelligence services and diplomats to replace the US. So the alternative to the US at the moment is China's vision of global governance. Which would be far worse for everyone, including the people of China.

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You are allowed to do both you know.

And it should be pointed out that the US has consistently spend more on defence since the Cold War ended than its NATO partners in Europe - and yet its economy has also grown faster than ours. Particularly being faster to come out of recessions - and that compounds up over the years to better standards of living for everyone.

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Re: Utterly pointless

At this point, the US getting rid of its nukes makes the world an awful lot less stable. Unless you believe that Xi Xinping, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are forces for global stability.

The current global order - let's call it the post WWII international settlement minus the collapse of the Soviet empire - has been reasonably successful. At least in terms of avoiding major global powers fighting wars with each other. Also in terms of economic growth too. Particularly the era of globalisation kicked off in the 90s - which has lifted more people (in both absolute and percentage terms) out of poverty than at any time in human history.

It's an interesting (unanswerable) question as to whether the Cold War would have gone hot, without the threat of nuclear annihilation. But a Cold War with just the Soviets having nukes would have been a very different affair indeed - and the Soviet empire would have ended up a lot bigger - and probably lasted a lot longer.

So far, US security guarantees in Asia and Europe have limited the numbers of countries that have got nuclear weapons. Wish away the US nuclear arsenal and the world doesn't magically become a cuddly, happy, wonderful safe place. I'd be prepared to bet that things would become a lot less stable, and there'd be a lot more countries building their own nuclear weapons - and global stability would almost certainly take a turn for the worse because of it.

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And of course, Ukraine gave up its nukes in return from sovereign guarantees from Russia, the US and UK.

The guarantees in question (Budapest Memorandum) were that those three countries promised not to invade or attack the three giving up their nuclear weapons (Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan) - not that anyone promised to protect them.

Europe blasts back into the heavy launch biz with first Ariane 6 flight

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Ariane 8 will explode - due to its huit allergy.

Ariane 9 will be made of foam rubber - and hit someone in the face.

We've banned Chinese telco kit and drones. Next: Mountain bikes?

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Re: All barriers to trade seriously hurt both sides.

All barriers to trade do hurt both sides. But sometimes free trade also has big downsides when only one of you is practicising it. I don't think the Chinese Communist party believe in win-win situations. Rather like Putin (trained by the Soviet Communist Party) - they believe in zero sum games. For me to win, you have to lose. And so rather than mutually beneficial free trade, China has pursued market manipulation on a huge scale in order to grow their industry at the expense of everyone else's. Not that this is unusual - it's a standard development model to protect the domestic economy from the challenge of imports while pursuing export-growth. But at some point you have to open your market to your trade partners - or they can't make enough money from exporting to you, in order to buy your exports.

Worse if they also want to use that new industrial power to exert political control.

Russia is an example of not doing your joined up thinking. I think Putin has believed himself to be in a Cold War with the West for at least 15 years - there are some suggestions that he sought cooperation in his early years of office, and maybe things could have been different. Not sure I believe it myself, I suspect he's always been the KGB-trained office, burning with resentment at losing the Cold War. But theh point here is that he thought that, but still allowed his economy to be dependent on Western imports. More importantly his military. Even after the 2014 arms embargo (after the inavsion of Crimea) - France were still selling Russia night vision optics for their T90 tanks. A United Services Institue report into a Russian cruise missile that crashed in Ukraine found it had 50 different electronic components imported from Western companies - mostly to do with guidance and control - GPS stuff, attitude sensors on a chip and the like. And so Russia has had to resort to reactivating old Cold War kit - and using cheap Iranian drones, because it's only able to produce a few tens of missiles a month.

Interestingly China banned the sale of things like DJI drones to both sides in the Ukraine war a few last Winter. Don't know if it had any effect. I'd read that Russian units in particular were having trouble getting old of the little FPV drones - but if it's still being enforced (which I doubt) they were getting them from other sources.

But it is a problem if you think you're going to come into any kind of conflict with a country - if you find you're dependend on them. Because leverage. There is the theory that economic inter-dependency stops wars. The saying used to be that if goods do not cross borders, soldiers will.

But if you went to communist school, perhaps what you learn is that stupid capitalists can be manipulated by their economic dependencies to do what you want them to. Certainly that's what Putin managed to do with gas supplies to Europe - and it was only when he went too and launched the full invasion of Ukraine with full warcrimes that his leverage broke.

This creates a problem. Take the benefits of free trade now and hope for the best? Or have a less efficient, but more robust economy and supply chain - rather than becoming inter-dependent with a regime you may end up in conflict with. Had the CCP not chose Xi Xinping, things might have gone differently. But he seems to have chose increased repression at home, and increased conflict abroad. And I don't see how we can avoid reacting to that. Would be nice if we could get that reaction right though...

EV world in serious trouble if China cuts off rare earth materials

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Re: Try Australia

codejunky,

Thanks for your post.

I just dont think import tariffs work, it is putting a floor price on the product here that is higher than the value of the product.

Markets are often the most efficient way to do stuff. But in this case we have a massive market distortion. In an ideal world I'd trust industry to realise there's a problem, and just have stockpiles. But modern corporate leadership doesn't seem to be doing well about coping with these kind of diplomatic caused supply chain disruptions. You'd hope the message would be getting through, and maybe it is? Governments do consult with business about this kind of thing - and often quite effectively - so I'd definitely let industry help choose the policy.

But it's such an important area that I think government intervention is probably the best bet. And I like the idea of tariffs, because it also signals our displeasure to China. It's only a tiny cost to them - but it might signal that if they fuck with our economies, we might start to fuck with theirs.

Our industry will need certainty to set up production. And subsidies or tariffs are probably equally bad policies - so why not take the one that also signals more to China?

that come a real war we will be too skint to fight it effectively.

Wars are really easy to afford, for a very long time. Look ar Russia in Ukraine or Germany in WWI. The costs come due afterwards. Because you can print money for quite a long time to sustain your internal economy - it's only when you're buying goods internationally that you have to have real cash. And even there you can often pay people at home to create exports to trade directly for what you want. Much better, if we can, to up military spending now and deter a war. In Europe we have to be able to support Ukraine solo, in case Trump wins - we don't want Russia getting ideas. Plus upping our defence-industrial base might make us some export cash - if we're not too squeamish about who we sell to. It's a dangerous world out there.

It was concerning reading that the US agreed to send cluster munitions to Ukraine because they ran out of conventional artillery shells.

This is because the US want to maintain huge artillery stockpiles, in case they end up in a war with China. Also partly because the Europeans were so fucking slow. To be fair the UK did put in a decent order to up shell production in 2020 - but a lot of Europe decided to do this at the EU level and then dithered until Summer last year! One reason why Ukraine are so short of shells this year. Personally I think we in the UK should have ordered more than we did.

Also all of Europe should have been freer in reducing our stockpiles. Seeing as our main land-based threat is Russia, and their army is all bogged down in Ukraine. So we should have run our stockpiles to the bone, and ramped up production faster. But too much of Ukraine policy has been based on wishful thinking, that Putin might make a sensible decision to give up. Rather than preparing for the worst - and then using the upped production to recapitalise defence forces that we've allowed to shrink too far.

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May-be should you re-evaluate whether the entire Humanity thinks that way, or if the rest of Humanity has figured out that these Chinese restrictions are simply answers to US sanctions

Zolko,

To some extent, I don't care what anyone thinks, or what these Chinese moves are an answer to. I think the Chinese Communist Party currently pose an unaccepable risk to wellbeing of my country and our allies. That Trump might have been an arse - and made relations with China worse, but that when he lost the election sanctions didn't disappear because there was a fundamental reason for them. And that the EU, having complained about the US doing this is now pursuing similar policies.

By the way a quick search gives China's first ban on exports of rare earths to be 2010. When they banned exports to Japan for a couple of months over some kind of fishing dispute. That's long before Trump. China seems to have territorial disputes with most of its neighbours - although if you will claim the entire South China sea as territorial waters you will create some tension.

Some people say our policians were naive to allow China into the international trading system on such a large scale. And maybe they were. But tensions with China have shot up since Xi Xinping took over. He's the one who's publicly talked about being read to invade Taiwan by 2027, for example.

It would be better for the whole world to continue to trade freely with China. Globalisation in the last 30 years has improved more lives, and lifted more people in the world out of absolute poverty than any other development in human history. Continuing it would be great, and would be good for China too. But sadly for the Chinese people, they're lumbered with a Communist Party they have no easy way of getting rid of, and that Party is proving to be hostile to freedom in both China and outside it.

As China broke a treaty with the UK over Hong Kong - I think it's vital that my government have a better policy on China - that recognises the Chinese Communist Party for the vicious imperialistic thugs that they are. And that Western politicians in general do a better job of dealing with people like Putin and Xi - both to deter them from geting too aggressive and therefore to reduce the risk of us sleepwalking into a war, 1939 style. Neither side wanted WWII - it happened because they misread each others' intentions so badly. I doubt Putin would have marched into Ukraine had he known how much support we'd have given them, and if our politiicans were half as clever as they thought they were they'd realise that the fastest way to get him to leave again is to convince him that they can keep increasing support for Ukraine until he finally loses - so he'll get a better deal for finishing early. Though that's hard to do with cunts like Trump around, undermining the whole policy, and making it look like just waiting might give Putin a chance of better terms.

But it would be great if we tried to avoid the same deterrence failures with Xi Xinping. Then maybe Taiwan doesn't have to get destroyed and/or we can avoid a massive war.

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codejunky,

China first banned exports sometime last decade. The price shot up, but within six months had collapsed to half the intial price, and stayed there for a few years. But a lot of the non-Chinese production that came on stream then, closed again. Because the Chinese quickly saw their trick had failed - and so began exporting again. I hadn't realised exports had actually stopped briefly last year (according to the article) - but they've regularly threatened to do this - and given that all minerals are already owned by the Chinese government (you pay for a license to mine them) this "change" in the rules is just another in a long line of threats.

So, what to do?

ignore the issue. The market will eventually correct, like it did last time, if China pull the trigger. Companies can also keep small stockpiles of the stuff they absolutely need. But this alllows China to disrupt our industry for no cost to themselves. And there will be short-term disruption every time they do it.

Subsidise an industry. When the government pays for this, it's probably going to end up paying above the market rate. And there's no incentive to innovate to lower prices - from whatever companies we subsidise. But it's not actually a lot of money - so it's not a terrible idea. It's what the EU are doing - and I think maybe also Japan and South Korea?

Stockpile. Have a G7 stockpile to tide us over for say 2 years, until production can ramp up. This is a one-off cost, unlike a subsidy.

Or have a tariff. This stops it being an irregular problem, that the Chinese government can turn on-and-off when it suits them. It also punishes China directly - in a very minor way. But shows them that there are costs to dicking around - and that we're getting sick and tired of them causing so much trouble. China were invited into the WTO in order to incentivise them to join in the global economy, get rich and have their place in the world. But, particularly under Xi Xinping, they want to take more than their place. They don't just want to grow their economy, they keep trying to fuck up everyone else's. And it's clearly deliberate. In the way they subsidised their solar industry to kill off Europe's for example. Hence the EU tariffs on electric cars now. Plus they want to have the rare earth monopoly and exploit it to again, fuck with our electronics industries. The export ban last decade was to any company that didn't build its electronics in China - at which point they were fine with selling the rare earths. So what we need to do is impose costs on the Chinese economy for their government fucking about like this. In the hopes of disuading them. Also, because we need to have a sensible China policy. Hoepfully something less than the new (and even less stable) Cold War we're stuck in with Russia. If we can't get our governments to come up with sensible policies to show China that we are capable of action in defence of our own interests - then Xi Xinping will assume we're weak. And then we he goes too far, in a move threatening to destroy the global economy, and decides to invade Taiwan - he'll believe we won't try to stop him.

So we need robust China policy now, to estblish a working relationship where both sides know how far they can go, and what might lead to war. Otherwise we risk miscalculating our way into a war with China in the next decade. Because China is now so vital to our economic interests we're going to be forced to rebuild some of the Cold War state that we've let atrophy. We clearly need more weapons production, to support Ukraine, but also the kind of export control regimes to hopefully slow down China's massive armaments build-up. And finally a bit of an industrial / supply-chain policy to allow us to cope when the Chinese start messing with our economies to deter our politicians from stopping them invading their neighbours.

People whine about how the US is the self-appointed world's policeman - although they also often moan when the US doesn't step up to that role. But the world would be a much worse, and more dangerous, place if the Chinese became the dominant world power. So sadly I think we're going to have to have joined up military / security / industrial / supply-chain policies for the next few decades. The easy days of the 90s are gone - and international relations are expensive and important again.

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Phil O'Sophical,

The EU are also attempting to build a supply chain for rare earth production. I'm not sure how successful it's being mind, but China have been threatening to do this on-and-off for ages - and even did it for 6 months a decade ago.

If China permanently cuts off the supply of rare earths it is a problem that would solve itself in a year or two. The issue is that the Chinese government know that - even if panicked Western journalists keep writing the same articles every few months, and clearly aren't. So the Chinese have to switch the supply on and off to make it financially unviable to process the stuff outside China. The answer is to ease the environmental regs (to reduce their cost advantage) - which is a bad idea - or to subsidise the processing of the stuff outside China, or to hold large stockpiles so we can rebuild the industry if it ever happens. I suspect if we put tariffs on China's exports of rare earths, the problem will solve itself. There's then a financial incentive to process them - and seeing as they're mostly not that expensive (and used in small quantities) it won't impose huge costs on industry.

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Irongut,

Did you notice that the EU put large tariffs on the import of Chinese cars just two weeks ago?

Trade war with China is inevitable. Not because of bad policy by Western governments (though there's been plenty of that) but because of the way the Chinese government behave by subsidising their own export industries to try and destroy their rivals in other countries. Plus, under Xi Xinping, the Chinese government are getting increasingly aggressive, and the less reliant we are on them, the better.

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Rare earths have been processed before. It's just messy. It's possible, as China have been doing most of it recently, that they have an advantage in efficiency - but that's just a cost issue - the same as the current reason rare earths aren't processed - which is the cost of environmental regulations.

The last time China banned exports (a decade ago), they crashed the price. Because processing came on stream in the US, and other places.

The whole premise of the article is silly. The stuff isn't rare. The stuff isn't hard to extract. It can be extracted from existing mine tailings - or extra steps added to existing ore processing. It just isn't done, becuase its expensive.

I think the correct answer here is probably to put tarrifs on China's exports of rare earth. That way, there's an incentive for companies to do the work locally - and not stop as soon as China relaxes the export restrictions. This is the umpteenth time China have threatened to do this, and they've actually done it a couple of times.

ITER delays first plasma for world's biggest fusion power rig by a decade

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Pascal Monett,

I was hoping to see fusion in my lifetime.

Well - just try harder. And keep taking the monkey glands.

Rincewind managed to continually outrun Death. Whereas Albert survived by cooking his dinner. But Bill & Ted may have had the best solution, by beating him at Twister.

Japan's digital minister declares victory against floppy disks

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alain williams,

The UK Parliament no longer does print onto vellum. We stopped a few years ago.

I remember seeing a bit of a BBC documentary on the HoC - and the Serjeant at Arms at the time didn't like killing animals in order to write laws. I think he also sold it on the grounds that it would save money. Sarjeant at Arms is in charge of security, but also other things - as well as wandering round with the mace during state openings.

I think somebody developed a super long-lasting paper for nuclear waste storage sites - which is supposed to last for thousands of years, and so Parliament were able to switch over to that.

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Re: two-thirds of British children aged six to 18 didn't even know what a floppy disk is

And the symbol for filter data is a pair of underpants.

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Megaphone

I attended a "sales" meeting two weeks ago. At which we were presented with a pebble each, and some paints. And told to create a pebble for a community garden.

Now if there'd been paintball afterwards, we could have wreaked terrible vengeance on the person whose idea it was.

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Perhaps he's angling for promotion to Emperor?

Minister of tech - so he can build the new Imperial Battle Station (that's no moon!). If he can also fire lighting out of his fingers - then the job's his!

Beijing says state owns China's rare earth metals

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Government is both the problem and the solution here. Our environmental regulations are the reason that it's cheaper to process rare earths in China. But those regs are there for a good reason. However the Chinese are playing silly-buggers - and have been since the first time they banned rare earth exports 10-15 years ago. Since we can't trust the Chinese government we're going to have to have a supply chain. China ended the last export ban pretty quickly when Western companies geared up quickly and rare earth prices collapsed - so we need either stockpiles that can tide the economy over long enough to start up the industry again (probably the cheapest solution*) - or we'll have to have a subsidised industry.

*Worstall once said here that global demand for Scandium was something like 50 tonnes a year. So stockpiles needn't be particularly large. I'm aware that's one of the lower numbers.

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The EU are trying to build a European supply chain.

I know Tim Worsral tried to put a deal together to process Czech mine tailings for their high rare Earth content. But it was cheaper to just buy Chinese.

Brace for new complications in big tech takedowns after Supreme Court upended regulatory rules

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Doctor Syntax,

One problem the US have is how politicised their judiciary has become. Or possibly has always been. I can remember complaints from the 90s about how the Supreme Court still had a Democrat majority despite there having been 3 Republican presidencies in a row. Too many US political issues become mired in arguments about arcane readings of a 300 year old document that often doesn't even mention the topic in question. At which point getting your judge onto the Supreme Court, where they might last 50 years might have more long-term effect than any law you pass. Although famously both parties have got their candidates into the Supremes only for them to consistently rule completely the opposite way to what was expected.

In the UK our judiciary is much freer from that kind of political interference. However there is a danger that it becomes part of the establishment. Obviously, what could be more establishment than being a judge, but you need your judges to be independent of the people who run large organisations and the civil service - or you risk ending up with a technocracy. Where if an elected government does stuff the establishment doesn't approve of it first gets slowed down by the civil service and then gets thwarted by the judiciary.

In the British Supreme Court judgement you cite about Johnson proroguing Parliament there is pretty good legal argument on both sides. The judiciary ruled in a novel way that intruded into an arcane area of the constitution that I'm not sure there was a great deal of basis for. Of course it was an unusual situation, and that's what happens in a precedent based constitution like ours. Sometimes judges effectively make new laws - but if Parliament doesn't like it, it can usually change it either back or to something else.

Similarly in the Gina Miller case, which ruled that Article 50 couldn't be passed without a vote of Parliament. Again the same "establishment view" won over the elected government. the court made a novel ruling for a novel situation. The constitution is clear that Parliament votes on UK laws and that the government does negotiation with foreign powers. Of course the ruling had a good point, that leaving the EU then changed a bunch of laws, because it's not a normal treaty. But here, the experts were all wrong. The government, Gina Miller's team both testified that Article 50 was irrevocable without a unanimous vote of all the EU members (that was also the European Commission's legal position) - and so the court ruled that since triggering A50 would de facto change domestic law, then Parliament should decide. It's a perfectly logical position. The ECJ later ruled that the UK could revoke A50 unilaterally. Which pretty much ignored the text of the treaty in question - again judges probably going further than they should - but I do wonder what the Supreme Court would have ruled had they known that? It might have changed the Parliamentary situation completely and had huge effects on the outcome of the constitutional crisis over Brexit.

I guess my point here is that judiciary needs to check the executive. But it needs to be careful. Too much judicial activism can make the courts so controversial the politicians are tempted to take drastic action, because they keep being hamstrung by people who lost the election but making an end-run to keep fighting in the courts. However historically a lot of our laws have stemmed out of judicial activism. A lot of early legislation on food standards stemmed from a court case about food poisoning setting a precendent and Parliament having to run to catch up - and broadly implementing the law as the judges had made it.

I guess the point of checks and balances is that it has to balance. Which means that the judiciary have to show utmost restraint, as they're not answerable to anybody once they've got the job. Which is dangerous power, that it can be very easy to abuse - even when you think you're acting for the best of reasons.

As for the House of Lords it still does a pretty good job. It was better when it was less democratic, becuase the ex politicians were even more out-voted by the old aristocracy and the people elevated for doing good works or generally being honoured for having been prominent for a long career. But most of the best work from the HoL has been in the committees anyway. Sometimes it delays legislation when the government gets too big for its boots - but a lot of good work is done by subject matter experts who get onto the committees and scrutinise legislation in detail. They often get their work taken up by the government and added to legislation, which increases the quality of our laws. This works less well in controversial areas though, where the government tends to try and fight off the amendments, although partly that might be because many of the amendments aren't trying to fix bad draughting, but trying to change the meaning.

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Doctor Syntax,

But the experts don't always get it right either. And are sometimes subject to groupthink and office politics - where they try to exclude the awkward ones who disagree with the expert consensus. Even if those people are also experts.

So you need a process to oversee decision making that allows for a wide variety of inputs - and then is followed by scrutiny.

Otherwise we might as well just have a technocracy and have the civil service run the country. Which is as pronen to errors as any other system of government.

I rmember reading Slide Rule by Nevil Shute at university. And the bits on the R101 disaster were interesting. His comments being that when the Air Ministry were judging the airworthyness of the commercially built R100 they ended up farming it out to their internal airship experts. Who were on the team building the rival government airship R101. So they were giving their information to the team who were literally in competition with them - the government having ordered a commercial and government airship to test against each other. But they were the experts available.

I can't now remember if he had knowledge, or just speculated, that when it came to the airworthyness of the R101 - the same thing happened. The Air Ministry deferred to the guys building it to mark their own homework. A lot of those experts then died on the airship they'd created, as it wasn't airworthy. Perhaps if they'd got in Barnes Wallis from Vickers (chief designer on the R100) to comment - they might have been saved. But exertise sadly doesn't always counteract human failings.

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Doctor Syntax,

You have a good point about statutory instruments. That I was thinking about as I posted my comment above - and probably should have thought of more.

It's very hard when you try to look at other peoples' political systems, because the differences are often so tricky, and have such surprising effects.

So a lot of our legislation makes provision for the follow-up statutory instruments - which can be changed more quickly and easily. But give more power to ministers and the civil service, as they're far less scrutinised by Parliament.

One of the problems is that no political system operates how it's supposed to. So you then start applying sticking plasters. I think for a long time now, Congress can't agree to get stuff done - and so the Executive arm is increasingly making rules. But the problem with that is that these rules can then change as soon as there's an election. And you get one Presidential administration spending its first days over-ruling all the executive orders of its predecessor. Legislation has both the advantage (and disadvantage) of being slower and harder to overturn. Makes things more predictable, even if they're predictably wrong.

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diodesign,

But in practicality, can the court system really handle the load? Can watchdogs really afford to enforce rules if they're just going to be challenged in court every time?

Not my county or legal system, so maybe I shouldn't comment. But US courts are precedent based. So the people being regulated should in theory only get to challenge the regulation once and then there'll be a definitive interpretation. Which other cases should then defer to.

Of course the US have a constitution, and a Supreme court who like to wait 50 years and then change their mind on what the constitution says. Which is rather different to how things work in the UK. But if you give governments the right to interpret the law, they're always going to interpret it in their favour.

This should (were the political system working properly) force Congress to pass laws that do what they are supposed to.

I don't know the details of the fishing case, so I shouldn't comment. But it seems pretty outrageous that a government department can just magic up the right to charge people to enforce a law - when the legislation doesn't specifically say that they can. You expect to pay a fee to get your license to do something, you don't then expect an inspector to turn up to check up on you and say, "while I'm here - you're paying my wages and buying me lunch." Although it's a bit different if that legislation had been around for ages, and so everyone knew the score when they got into it.