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The wackiest thing in history has just unfolded.
12:50 AM EST
So, a few hours ago, I was pretty sure the Russian state was going to utterly collapse, and that the Ukraine would seize Russian territory.
It now appears, by some fantastic twist, that this is actually not going to happen.
I have zero idea how it is possible that Prigozhin had everything lined up to take control of Southern Command, and then was like “ah – nah, I guess I’ll just surrender.”
He could have just been drunk. But he had to have lined this all up with the FSB and the military, and that would have been a very big thing, to do that all in secret, and get that many powerful players on his side.
As of right now, he has stopped the push towards Moscow, and is possibly en route to Belarus.
Just out of nowhere, it was announced that Prigozhin agreed to talks with Lukashenko, President of Belarus, and then hours later it was announced that he was calling the whole thing off.
This is part of the statement from Belarus:
“Evgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of the armed men of Wagner in Russia and to take further steps to de-escalate tension.” It added that Prigozhin had been offered “an advantageous and acceptable option for resolving the situation, with security guarantees for the Wagner PMC fighters.”
This is still in flux, or whatever, and something could still go wrong, but that is where we are apparently at as of Sunday morning in Russia. Actually, that statement is 12 hours old, at time of writing, but nothing seems to have changed.
Wagner peacefully left the base in Rostov, surrendering control, with the troops going back to the territories of the former Ukraine and Prigozhin going wherever he is going. He should be executed, but I guess he can’t be if he made a deal. I think he will most likely end up dead in the next few months either way.
It really, really, really looked like this was going to turn into a full-on civil war, and the Ukraine war would collapse, and Russia would collapse as a country, breaking into different parts like the US wants it to.
I have no idea how Prigozhin was so competent to organize taking over Southern Command and then just giving up. Something must have went wrong.
The chaos now is over, the borders and airports are back online, the military seems to be totally off the streets in Moscow.
There are going to have to be purges of the FSB and whoever else sided with Prigozhin.
The people who said the whole thing was a staged event are going to claim victory. I don’t really understand what the purpose of faking this would be, but the way it collapsed, and the way none of it made any sense, will allow those theorists to say “see, this was the plan all along!”
How this will affect Russia and the war effort in the longer run, I do not know. I think there should be an increased desire to escalate, and Putin is definitely not going to want to look weak after all of this, so he will probably back a move toward “total war” or as I like to call it “Blitzkrieg.”
Yesterday, I said that Putin’s legitimacy would be gone if it wasn’t solved in 12 hours, and 8 hours after I said that, it was solved. So I do not think he’s lost legitimacy. It looks bad, but not so bad he’d need to resign.
I do think the fact that so many people would back Prigozhin in his insane plan shows that there is a very real desire for Putin to get more aggressive in the Ukraine, and that has to be taken into account.
But wow.
This went from being the worst thing ever to the most confusing thing I’ve seen in my life.
Really, this was truly a weird 36 hours.
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Like I said yesterday. It’s a nothing burger.
What?!?
Anglin was wrong AGAIN?
Say it ain’t so.
I do not know what the hell happened. The nearest event to it in recent times was the July 2016 coup attempt in Turkey, and in that hundreds were killed and Erdoğan used it as a pretext to crack down, and Turkey is still more repressive internally than it was in, say, 2015.
This is even stranger than that. It is almost like a condottiere chief in medieval Italy trying to negotiate a pay rise by kicking up a fuss. They were mercenaries too.
Yes we will. Its quite simple though. If Prigozhin goes to Belarus and his army disbands you were right, if he and his army keeps on going you were wrong.
I can think of a few reasons:
-Perhaps Putin wanted to flush out real traitors
-Perhaps it was cover to move troops. At very least Wagner army has withdrawn without any interference. Perhaps there was other troop/equipment movement disguised as part of this op.
-Perhaps he was making Russia look weak to provoke a stupid move from Ukraine.
I am quite happy because so many Ukraine supporters already anticipated public execution of Putin and now…
Why aren’t we seeing the militia units in Ukraine turning on Zelensky in the same manner? They have more of a reason to.
A conspiracy theory in Twitter suggests that Prigozhin took the missing $6b from the CIA, made the right noises, agreed to split the money with Putin, and now is retiring to Belarus, on the invitation of Lukashenko.
I suspect Prigozhin will be the successor to Lukashenko, designated or not.
it’s not staged, mercenaries are just scum, doing crazy or underhanded stuff to their employers is something that’s been known of them for thousands of years, read what machiavelli wrote about these people
https://voxday.net/2023/06/25/debacle-in-rostov/
And,
>Putin sir they have offered me $7 billion for a coup
>do a coup then.
›yes sir
>Putin sir our troops have reached Moskva and they have paid the $7 billion
>excellent. You may keep $1 billion, now turn around and go back
›yes sir on my way
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As ZH points out re: Prigozhin’s “mutiny” and “exile”, “The irony remains that one can get a much harsher punishment for mere Cannabis vape pens in the country.”
Maybe Putin has a Zero EVALI policy.
I highly recommend the following link, which contains all the important facts. The power struggle between the Commander-in-Chief Shoigu and the head of the Wagner troops had been smouldering for a long time. Shoigu preferred to use mercenaries rather than regular troops in Bakhmut’s house-to-house combat because he needed Wagner both as fighters and as bait. Hence the low supply of ammunition, which frustrated the mercenaries because it made their progress slow and tempted the Ukrainian side to send more and more soldiers into the meat grinder. Prigoshin’s displeasure was justified, but there was certainly no coup planned. I am also not sure whether General Shoigu will be retired now. War is a dirty business, but above all it is a business.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
Only thing that took place is Prigozhin took his troops 200km from Moscow, had a bizarrely quick resolution and agreement with Lukashenko, and now Prigozhin and Wagner will be 100km from Kiev. 🤔
Western media bragged about how Western intelligence scooped Russian FSB of this coming Wagner mutiny.
This might actually just be the biggest psyop head fake ever in history. 🥂
It is hard to tell if this was a strategic move on the Russian states side as a prior comment said to flush out internal traitors, or if it was a hold my beer moment where the rebelling forces woke up and said holly crap.
Knowing what little that I do of Russian politics the rebel forces would have known that success would have to be the only option, or surely they would face execution for their betrayal. This reminds me of one of the scenes in the Waynes World franchise where Wayne and Garth are playing street hockey calling game off when a car was coming, and game on when the street was clear again. Humorous in the movie, but highly unlikely in this senerio.
So I am going to venture into conspiracy world here and bring up the Q movement, operation, military sting op…..ect…whatever one chooses to call it. Flushing out traitors/deep state actors is a big part of what this is supposed to be about, and expose these bad actors to the public in doing so.
The slow march in Ukraine by Russia is also suppose to be part of this with a multi faceted goal of exposing deep state activities there that include human trafficking, bio labs, money laundering, ect while the whole time draining down the resorces of the deep state criminal NATO forces/armorment hobbeling their ability to wage warfare.
I do not wish to get into this any deeper as this is just a foundation for my greater thought process which is this. Both the good guys (white hats), and the bad guys (black hats) are said to be using AI to war game out different senerios in what is said to be this epic battle for the survival of humanity, and its freedom. But if a rebel uprising such as this can seem to manifest seemily out of nowhere and AI was not able to predict it, than how far can people globally, and as I am in the US I will speak to this country, expect to be pushed through what is suppose to be this great awakening before a fracture appears here that AI did not predict, and all that this Q movement was attempting to accomplish with one of its main objectives being eliminating the potential of a civil war here in America becomes for not.
At some point if this Q plan wants to achieve success it is going to have to take the kid gloves off and show the peoples first hand the filth that this world, and particularly the US has become, and be dammed those who still have their heads up their butt.
Is it not the coddeling of stupidity in part that has gotten us to this point in history, and is it not time to lift the stage curtain. Stop treating us like we are children if one of the main goals here is to give the power back to the people.
Reqardless if the Q plan is real or not to believe is each persons own choice, and I personally have followed it with constant scepticism. But for the moment assume that is is real; I do not think that America will make it through another currupted election as the saying goes the man to fear the most is the man who has nothing left to fear. And if a situation like that has just taken place in Russia is organic, then the time is now to drop all the covert bullshit, and for once be completely honest with the American peoples before we have a moment such as this where game off is no longer an option.
Perhaps there wasn’t more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps Prigozhin threw a tantrum and Lukashenko brought him back to reality. Just as Ukraine could never ever win a war against Russia, Prigozhin’s coup could never ever succeed and it simply fizzled out. There’s a silver lining though: the West must be pretty desperate to place its bets on an ex-convict cum caterer cum presidential chef cum private military entrepreneur. Clown world.
BluelahMan appears to be unfamiliar with Anglin’s habit of using sarcasm in many of his writing analyses of various current events.
Anglin is slyly poking fun at and mocking the Putin and Russia hating jewish neocons who’ve been feeding the dumb and gullible American goyims a steady diet of lies and blatant B.S. for over a year since the Russia – Ukraine conflict started, assuring these rubes that Putin was suffering a lopsided ass whipping by Ukraine and was on the verge of a humiliating defeat.
I have been reading Anglin’s material for years, and I seriously doubt that he ever really thought that Russia was going to collapse and be taken over by some tin horn stooge like this Telly Savalis look-alike.
IMHO Prigozhin is a U.S./NATO asset. This plot was carried out just when Ukraine is getting really desperate. The Cabal truly believed that Russia was on the brink of a civil war anyway and all that would be needed was to activate their Jewish agent in charge of the Wagners. The cabal was sure that by the time they reached Moscow at least half the country would be behind and actively supporting Prigozhin to include much of the military.
Well imagine that POS Victoria Nuland coming to grips with the fact that her and her cohorts’ little color revolution never had a chance. Prigozhin and many of the Wagners should be grateful that Putin is a thinking man. He did not want a public bloodbath for the Wagners. So he made Prigozhin an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Wow, Anglin, a guy who sees jews behind every tree, didn’t even connect the dots to Israel as a cutout for the CIA operating to bolster its Puppet, Zelensky.
The thing is this cabal continues to exist and will thus continue to plot and scheme to destroy Russia and the rest of the non ZOG world. So until a proper leader comes around and does something to deal with the jewish problem then the endless threat will never end.
Why aren’t we seeing the militia units in Ukraine turning on Zelensky in the same manner?
I’ve no insider information, but you can be pretty certain hostile intelligence agencies have been making overtures to the members of the command structure around Zelensky to betray him. (It’s what hostile intelligence agencies do.)
Plus, you can also be certain that Zelensky knows overtures are being made to the people around him. (So it’s more than cocaine abuse causing his sleepless nights.)
It looks like the issue was that someone, probably Gerasimov, tried to kill Prigozhin in order to take over Wagner PMC. That left Prigozhin cornered with no way out, waiting for the next attempt. So he took action and created a crisis then escalated it to the national level in order to resolve it, thus bypassing Shoigu and Gerasimov.
Lukashenko saw an opportunity to get Prigozhin into Belarus most likely to recreate a new Wagner PMC type group to be used as a Praetorian Guard.
Well trained, hardened fighters are in demand these days. Looks like Russia will get its pick of the Wagner PMC and the rest will go with Prigozhin to Belarus.
Prigozhin was pissed because his band of merry men were “accidentally” being bombed by Russian regulars. He was probably still butt hurt over the Battle of Khasham in 2018.
In 2018, Wagner tried to take a Conoco oil field in Syria, with the promise of a cut of the revenue from the field (man’s gotta eat). When questioned about the eminent attack, Russia said “we don’t know those guys” and a handful of special forces and Apache helicopters took care of business.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/battle-syria-us-russian-mercenaries-commandos-islamic-state-a8370781.html
Even if Putin doesn’t meet all of his objectives in the Ukraine border skirmish, at least he eliminated a rival warlord. Kadyrov is probably feeling nervous. The guy who stole $5 million worth of new John Deere equipment from an Ukrainian dealership and sent the booty back to Chechnya, only to have Deere remotely shut all of it down, lol.
https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/john-deere-remotely-disables-tractors-stolen-in-ukraine-by/427045
What the hell Putin? At the beginning of the war, it was looking like Russia was going to take out the Western elite’s top money laundering asset. Was that ever his intention, or was he just weakening his in-house rivals?
This or other conspiracy theories make total sense.
A civil war or internal military war in Russia is the wet dream of the Neocons, CIA, and all Western elites.
Putin goes from totally secure to (surprisingly) strongly endangered, and back to security, something is fishy.
Let us honestly analyze all theories, no matter how bizarre, to get nearer to the truth.
The absolute pure giddiness on this site over the last two days was hilarious. All of the pro penis piano playing imp fanboys were orgasmic over the fake news trickling in of the inevitable take over of Moscow by Curly Howard. I heard he killed 6 million.
Where you guys at now? Where’d Curly shuffle off to?
Forget prigo its about what Dimitry Utkin does. I haven’t really paid attention to this only because it was clearly very fluid. If Utkin is still in rebellion with Wagner its a big problem. Either way Russia is not monolithic and like every state in Kali Yuga its really a thin facade
It’s kind of funny to accuse a mercenary of treason as his loyalty is to the money and the highest bidder. Maybe “Mad Dog” Prigozhin can now make better use of his experience by staging coups in African and tropical island nations. He should have more success than trying to take over a nuclear superpower. All the best to him and I hope to read that he sets up havens for mercenaries in various Third World countries and Wagner becoming a huge international army taking over diamond mines, gold mines, oil fields, and whatever else of value they can find out there from the de Beers, the Rothschilds and other current owners.
I’m not a psychiatrist, and I don’t know Prizoghin personally, but one plausible explanation is that he went insane – probably bipolar/manic, he should be on lithium or something.
As far as a coup, well sure, maybe. The thing about coups is that they are very fragile: if you line up enough people in the right places and get some momentum, and people start to think that you are going to win, it can all fall into place. But if not, if you don’t get any kind of momentum, then it falls apart very very fast, and people who were OK with the coup suddenly get cold feet.
I wonder if we will ever know for sure?
Meanwhile the United States is being invaded over the southern border, the population could easily be doubled to about 700 million in 20-25 years (look up “demographic momentum,”), and the American working class won’t enjoy this. I know that’s a bit off topic, just wanted to put the issue in perspective.
Interesting version of this story.
Indeed. The thing we good people (i.e., counter-Semites) have in our favor is that the bad guys (small hat mafia) are getting high off their own supply.
I come from a farm background, so this really piques my interest. A few years ago, I read that American farmers were switching to Russian-made tractors because the greedy American conglomerates had rigged it so that they couldn’t repair their own equipment. The industry press, bought-and-paid whores that they are, were telling the farmers to quit whining and accept it. Just a very small example of what’s wrong with America.
“I’m not a psychiatrist, and I don’t know Prizoghin personally, but one plausible explanation is that he went insane – probably bipolar/manic, he should be on lithium or something.”
The most plausible explanation for his behavior is that he’s jewish.
Yes. What will they do now? I am sure they will try some sort of false flag event. We live in very dangerous times.
Of course that is the idea. No more America. Not that we have one now but the cabal intends to erase the last vestiges
I wonder if maybe Prighozin was offered control of a buffer state- his own private fiefdom – between Ukraine and Russian-controlled territory. Maybe Kharkov and the areas east of the Dneiper. This would explain his relocation to Belarus, from where such an attack would be most advantageous to launch from.
3/10 for effort.
Yes LOL. Back to square one? Blitzkrieg on the capital? Kiev falls in two weeks? The Empire Strikes Back?
“We’re really gonna do it this time!”
They should stop being politically correct and call this Putin’s Retarded Military Operation (RMO) instead of his “Special” Military Operation.
Razman Kadyrov had sent his Chechen special forces into Rostov and they were ready to fight it out with Wagner. This would have been an armed upgrade of the unarmed mass fights between Russian and Chechen tough guys that are often staged and filmed. Oh, well, better that it didn’t come to that, although an unarmed challenge mass brawl would have been something to see.
With enough input from the US, UkieLand could win against Russia – in a manner of speaking of course. There’d be nuclear weapons galore involved probably.
Yes those are most certainly possible scenarios.
Especialy the first one.
Off course in case it was in reality mainly a power strugle between Wagner + army leadership (cc. 20% chance in my opinion) a cleanup for sure still happened: events used as opportunity to do so.
Staged or not used as opportunity to:
– search for real traitors
– monitor international reactions
– monitor internal support and opinions
– provide ground for military reform
– test capabilities of the various services/ branches
– keep certain hight ranking power players unsafe about their position (ability to keep their position/ rank – head?)
Maskirovka or not had certain benefits.
So, gay troll – you are gay, right?
Well at least Ukraine’s Jews are going to be OK, that’s the main thing:
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If nukes are used, there’s no winner, everybody loses.
A conspiracy theory in Twitter suggests that Prigozhin took the missing $6b from the CIA, made the right noises, agreed to split the money with Putin, and now is retiring to Belarus, on the invitation of Lukashenko.
Makes zero sense.
Putin is worth over 200 billion and can take any Russian business at any time.
He was clearly embarrassed and angry in his public appeal.
This was not planned. Stop trying to promote baseless conspiracy theories for your emotional comfort.
Putin allowed his amoral chef to develop his own private army and it got out of hand. He clearly now sees that wasn’t such a great idea.
This was from a cell phone camera:
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That is the result of a Russian helicopter firing at Wagners.
Putin did not have his military blow up an oil depot as part of a grand scheme to pocket 3 billion dollars.
confusing? usraelistan wanted regime change, it was obvious they will try by any means available. and best way to counter one particular avenue is providing them with horse too good not to bet on – hence the prihozin theatrics over the past year. ruskies lead cia by the nose, allowed them to invest massive amounts of resources building cells then cleaned house in one fell swoop (right before the ‘coup’) – there were additional angles to play but apparently they didnt pan out (i initially expected the show to last few weeks)
This incident was just another replay of the old “Front Line Grunt vs REMFs” – i.e. Front Line Soldiers v s. Rear Echelon Mother-Fucke-s. It is as old as military history. The front line soldiers are sleeping in wet trenches while the rear echelon troops are sleeping in warm bunks after enjoying vodka and sex.
Of course, this causes jealousy and the grunts usually complain. And that is what has happened – the Wagner group is doing all of the heavy lifting in this war and Prigozhin is letting all of Russia hear about it. This has gone on until “The Old Man” – the General – Putin – had enough of it – and he has told both Wagner and the REMFs —“Wagner -you’re going on R&R until morale improves – and -you-
MoD, pack your combat gear – you are going to the front —AND I want no more bitching – we’ve got a war to win”
This was it – no more/no less.
Lol! This is exactly what he wants, to look weak. This has Sun Tzu written all over it.
Like 99% of stories today this topic and your article is much ado about nothing. I am sure that a rag tag group of 25,000 misfits could really topple Russia and its military and security services. The motley crew would have been decimated in one afternoon. Of course CNN and the NYT and every Zelenski lover in the Biden administration has made this out to be something special.
The nose lost again.
This is an excellent way to start the day!
Ruusian troops showing up in the little yellow school buses will undoubtedly lull the Ukies into complacency.
On second though, war crimes are their best play.
It warms my heart to witness your leaps and bounds in reading comprehension.
One possible explanation for this seemingly craziness would be this. If there were real (or imagined) traitors in the Russian military, and Yevgeny Prigozhin was Putin’s tool for smoking them out. At the time Wagner was marching on Moscow and the media reported Putin had fled the city, the real traitors would have outed themselves and joined with Prigozhin in the “coup” attempt.
This fake orchestrated coup would be one possible way to learn who any (some) traitors were, and also serve as a warning to others thinking of working for the other side. It wouldn’t be the first time this scenario has played out in Russian territory. If trials or disappearances of military men start happening, reflect that this would be the logical explanation.
We are witnessing a changing of guards in 5D space/time, only this time the algorithm keeps us distracted with race porn, Gay porn and Holocaust survivor hysteria porn.
Warning: wear aluminum (tin foil hat) head protection when accessing mobile devices, or in heavily populated areas, noticeable sides affects are sever brain trauma, uncontrollable verbal diarrhea, obesity, seizure’s, public deification, gender dysphoria.
Was that oil depot blown up to prevent Wagner getting fuel for their motorised units to roll on to Moscow? Is this what forced Prigozhin to give up his coup attempt?
I knew something was rotten when billionaire Jew Prigozhin leads and funds a 25,000 man militia calling them Wagner Musicians when Wagner’s music is banned in the illegitimate apartheid Zionist state of Israel.
It’s like CIA/FBI/Mossad/Mi6 asserts using J6 attendees as a front to high Jack and mislead real patriots.
Follow the money and ye shall know the truth.
China is still sitting on the sideline hoping that as this war drags on it’ll divert the attention of Sauron so the evil eye can’t focus on Taiwan. Maybe they’re hoping Russia and the ZOG West will mutually destruct leaving China as the victor. But that’s too risky as Russia will not be able to win this war alone against an entire Western block with its endless resources due to the dollar being world’s reserve currency.
Xi needs to show some courage and vision, provide Russia with all out military support NOW, same way the West is supporting Ukraine. Otherwise Russia could lose this war as NATO piles in, and if Russia goes, China will be left surrounded. Maybe they’re afraid of Western sanctions but the West will not be able to sanction China the way they do Russia, at least not yet, because our manufacturing is still so dependent on China, including the manufacturing of all our weapons where the supply chain is almost entirely China based. And if he’s afraid the West will shift its manufacturing out of China, well it’s already happening anyway!
It’s time for Xi to show some balls and come into Russia’s aid before it’s too late. It’ll also give the Chinese military some real world fighting experience which they lack.
Who’s more insane, the schizo ((jews)) or the schizo Anglo-Zionists who put them in charge of their money and society and future?
At least the ((jews)) are getting paid buttload of money for their treachery before they escape to Israel, whereas the Anglos are now getting table scraps, if that. And they’re targets of the amorphous golem blob programmed by the kikes.
Of course, all the money in the world isn’t going to save the ((jews)) from what’s coming. And holding on to blood money only makes matters worse.
Realizing his mistake, Judas attempted to return his 30 pieces of silver to the Pharisees, and that didn’t do him any good. He was dead before Jesus. Israel was gone a few years later.
There is a simple logic to Christian Logos, and those who don’t apply it end tragically, no matter their intentions.
The most likely explanation is the Putin Gov is incompetent and reactionary rather than pro active
The whole thing with Prigozhin could have probably been dealt with very easily by splitting Wagner in two, Africa and Ukraine war.
While in Russia / Ukraine they remain under MOD control, what they do in Africa is their own business, and just paid him off as well.
Russian gov are too incompetent and retarded for such a logical policy so went at it with the tact of a bulldozer leading to Prigozhin who probably has a bit of PTSD from being under fire at Bakhmut to go a bit crazy.
The whole amo thing i hear was because Wagner`s style of fighting was advancing under heavy artillery support, without enough shells they couldn’t fight the way they trained and that was a problem.
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It only looks bad to irrelevant people who don’t matter, and Putin seems to be correctly ignoring them.
Indeed, it’s not even a binary, it seems it’s a scalar correlation: the less you matter, the worse it looks to you.
E.g. Putin’s response seemed to be perfectly cogent to Prigozhin, for example, who responded with unconditional surrender. I’ma go ahead and guess he knows more about the situation.
Are they taking bets on who resigns first – Biden or Putin?
Eye-of-the-storm offers here some quite sensible suggestions, and from a vantage-point not often chanced….seeing as how it will necessarily soon disappear as those hurricane-force Winds-of-Change inevitably return. As Eye-of-the-storm so accurately points-out, the institutionalized infantilization of the domesticated Human population is an ongoing feature of the condition their Condition is in. This has indeed been a principal effect of the pandemic of “self” sickness that renders them so severely dysfunctional as a component of the natural immune system of the LivingLoving Arrangement of Earth and Sky. This artificially-induced obliviousness obviously has to end.
To be sure, being suddenly and even rudely awakened to what is really going on here, having to quickly grow-up and take-up the responsibility of our Human Organic Function, no longer having the make-believe “excuse” of ignorance, will likely come as a considerable shock to many. So much so that no few of our currently captive Sisters and Brothers might understandably prefer the illusory “option” of simply dying in their sleep….as, Kenny Rogers’ Gambler said, “the best thing they could hope-for.”
Since none of this is just another jerry-rigged numbers-game, though, but rather entirely grounded in the inescapable and immutable Natural Fact of Organic Functional Integrity, our Human response to the terminal-stage process of the invasive tormenting entities’ Planet-wasting “civilization” disease will either prove sufficient to the actual need….or it won’t. In any event, like our tormentors their “Selves” (Everything we know about them we’ve had to learn The Hard Way.), we Human Beings by-Nature also are what we do and do what we are. Let the Buffalo chips fall where they may.
Meanwhile, for whatever it’s worth, us surviving Free Wild Peoples of All Kinds here in Indian Country are not the least bit worried about it. The Neverending HeartSong and MatingDance of Life Herownself and Love Hisownself, in whose Image and Likeness, Male and Female we are made, will just keep on keepin’ on. So just take care of each other and don’t be afraid. We are All of us always and everywhere among The Steps and The Notes.
if you think those JD tractors are permanently disabled, you’re out of your damn mind.
American and Americoids cannot fathom disobedience.
Put another way,
“There is often scarcely any connection between what they say and what they do.”
“No people carry so far, especially when speaking in public, violence of language, outrageousness of theories, and extravagance in the inference ”
http://www.bookrags.com/ebooks/13333/76.html#gsc.tab=0
The talk gets upregulated as a way of downregulating action, and the system seems perfect. Nobody does anything without first being told to do it.
By contrast Russians genuinely dissent sometimes, and will even put that dissent into action, like they have their own wills.
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As I mentioned earlier, black governments get into the habit of treating their soldiers like slaves, and then thoughtlessly treat their mercenaries like slaves. However, mercenaries are not slaves: they have a contract. When the government inevitably breaks the contract, they become upset. If the mercenaries become upset, they tend to realize they can use violence to get what they want.
I can’t verify this in fact happened, but it sure looks like it did.
In particular it looks like Putin slighted the mercenaries, then Prigozhin whipped them into a frenzy, but couldn’t keep the fake frenzy going. The patriotic Russians calmed down, reflected, and then rightly made Prigozhin take the blame for their little overrreaction.
Anyway, something like that. Someone got overexcited and then cooler heads prevailed.
Bullshit, you lying heretical scumbag!
You will burn forever in Hell for your heresy!
See how Christianity unites the White race?
The Deep State and NATO will continue to try and dismember Russia as per regularly scheduled programming. No need to adjust your television screen.
Finland, Poland, Latvia, and Estonia can all be “the next Ukraine” while Ukraine rebuilds. Azerbaijin and Georgia also still border Russia as well as Khazakhastan. So many “pozzibilities.”
Belarus is a place Prigozhin could really get up to mischief, so I’d not let Wagner cross my borders if I was in Minsk. As a matter of fact, Lukashenko ought not allow Prigozhin start any new armaments companies or mercenary groups. He needs to go back into the resturauntuer business if he wants to continue breathing instead of decomposing is the message Lukashenko should give him. He honestly hurt Russia’s standing at a time when ClownWorld is trying to destroy it. This is unacceptable.
There are no agreements with the West that are not simply efforts to buy time until the Cabal tries again. There will be no lasting peace until the Western Deep State is replaced.
oh, the grand old duke of york, he had ten thousand men;
he marched them up to the top of the hill, and he marched them down again.
agree, this was complete psyops, designed to smoke out the rats. why people can’t see through his act is beyond me. nato wants so badly to believe his bullshit, that they will grind every ukrainian to a fine pate, before accepting that they have been played, most artfully.
Given the fact that only 2 percent of Wagner’s personnel participated with ZERO support from the regular military or the civillian populace. the choice for Prigozhin was either to stand down or to die ingloriously in a fight with the FSB troops.
BTW, despite the “amnesty” he is not out of the woods. Unless the entire affair was staged as a cover to move regular troops in northern direction in preparation for a second, northern front without raising alarms in NATO decision-making centers, Prigozhin still could be suicided regardless of where he was exiled.
“CNN and the NYT and every Zelenski lover in the Biden administration has made this out to be something special.”
Yes.
Probably because they were behind it from the start, which also explains why the Wagner unit has NOT made it to Moscow yet.
However, I agree those who believe things are now even more dangerous. Will the Deep State cabal now try another provocation, one which may lead to a nuclear exchange?
I hope not, but we live in dangerously crazy times.
Any non-Putintard AND NOT (unbalanced) Russia hater (probably 10 % people here, tops) willing to discuss this option:
A faction within the current ruling Cabal wished to exert some pressure on the Czar to get some concessions.
They used the Wagner outfit to show the Czar that his hold on power isn’t as iron as he’d like to be. He needs them. Fine, if he just gives them “this/that”.
I’d be interested in chatting about who those people are and what are their real objectives.
Hehe…if nobody interested in the above, no prob. Simply by watching the outcome we’ll know what really happened.
Namely: what, exactly, happens to the Wagner outfit? Not what’s proclaimed but what happens. What happens to the top of Russian MoD?
More importantly (and harder to find) will be what, say, “economic stuff”, will change in Russia? And, related, what new …ahm…”peace”…inititiatives will be floated around?
Next 2-3 weeks will resolve all that.
A Jew with a chip on his shoulder more likely.
Prigozhin was never targeted in Bakhmut. He was not a target for NATO bombs or shells, for a reason. Where did a lot of NATO that vanished into Bakhmut actually go?
“Pretext” is an odd word. A coup attempt in which hundreds die is more like a valid reason for a crackdown.
Just in …
Dima sez Gerasimov will be replaced by Surovikin (the previous command structure
has always reeked of the classic way to depose an incompetent commander) and
Shoigu by the (ex-officer) governor of Tula:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXuotplNeoM
Video Link
Who, whom? Yewgeny Viktorovich is the Big Mouth of
SauronGRU.Ligma never shows his work and is usually wrong.
Yeah, it was never going to go the way you thought regardless. Prighozin wants to go harder against the Ukraine—even if he prevailed, the war would continue, but he’d go all in. The option to end the war via a Russian withdrawal was never on the table. Any support he had in Russia was based on the desire to enter into total war against the Ukraine, not a civic desire for peace. Now Wagner is in Belarus and Poland and Kiev are shitting bricks.
Scorpions have good Scorpion-detectors; Turtles don’t need Scorpion-detectors.
Putin’s at least part-Turtle; Berezovsky and ObeseNosferatu are part-Scorpion and behaved in very Scorpion-like fashion.
Sometimes fables are useful.
None of these reasons make any sense, especially when judged against the negatives this performance brought.
Flushing out traitors could be done behind the scenes.
Cover to move troops – where, to Moscow?!?
Provoking move by Ukraine – this would be far better done by feigning weakness on the front line, not by pretended spats among Russian leadership.
This was exactly what it looked like: internal struggle for power among the players in Russian politics. Collapse of Russia has not been totally cancelled, merely postponed.
These are the sorts of questions I care about. Who is really pulling the strings and to what ends? We may know more in a few weeks, but not the full story by a long shot.
Ritter reported that Ukrainian sabotage teams were arrested in Moscow just as this was happening. Has this important information been confirmed by other sources? In my opinion this was the strongest or almost the only piece of evidence which suggested this Wagner “coup” was real. Most of the rest looks as fake as a Biden ballot.
I would like to know more about the rules of engagement for maskirovka. If the Kremlin’s own guys get killed (the aircraft losses) it makes the whole thing seem much more realistic, but they sent some soldiers to their death. To a civilian this tradeoff seems harsh, especially when we are steeped in “leave no man behind” fantasies (Oh yeah McCain, what about the POWS?). In the real world of hundreds of thousands of combat deaths, probably everyone is expendable for a good reason.
The whole thing still has the fake war vibe. Apparently some Russian gas is still going through Ukraine. What is the story on airline flights? Commercial flights must still be going to Kiev, what about Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov?
The nose lost again.
This is an excellent way to start the day!
You do realize that Prigozhin is Jewish and just scored a free Belarusian vacation after Putin decreed that any everyone involved in the rebellion would be punished?
Which means Putin went back on his word within hours.
This also means that Prigozhin can sit out the worst of the counter-offensive while sipping a drink poolside.
How did Jews lose here?
“This went from being the worst thing ever to the most confusing thing I’ve seen in my life.”
I’d have thought that the “most confusing thing” you’ve seen in your life would’ve been looking for your pecker only to see a pu$$y!😂
FFS y’all.
Spend fifteen seconds and think REALLY hard.
How much air-defense did this ‘Wagner’ convoy possess?
How much air-offense has Russia got at its disposal?
How large was the ‘Wagner’ convoy? (Answer: maybe a couple of hundred vehicles: show me any footage remotely equivalent to the Akhmat convoy headed towards Rostov-on-Don, and I will be convinced that I’ve got dementia).
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The Russians were putting great gouges in the highway in front of the Wagner convoy – gouges that would have been impassable for normal wheeled vehicles, which includes tank-transports.
So ObeseNosferatu‘s ‘Coup Convoy’ was headed straight into a killbox that would have made the Highway of Death (Iraq I) look positively tame.
And no, I do not credit the ‘maskirovka‘ hypothesis – although it has some plausibility – namely, giving the RF a 600km head-start in redeploying manpower to Belgorod.
NAFO’s monitor-jockeys would have been fixated on ZOMFG ITS HABBENING!!! and so busy jerking off into the nearest pot-plant, that they would only realise the game after the west-ward ‘hook’ at Voronezh – by which time it would be too late for the Ukraine junta to reinforce Kharkiv in a timely fashion.
As I say… that’s a nice QAnon/5D-blogger explanation – but it’s not the big probability-mass. It’s a bit too RubeGoldberg, and thus too Scorpion-adjacent.
The ‘parsimonious’ explanation is that Prigozhin is a traitor, and that he gave up when the FSB ‘discovered’ the 4-billion-ruble stash at Wagner HQ.
That ‘discovery’ definitively-eliminated any exit-strategy for ObeseNosferatu, and also made it clear that he would not be able to enrich his inner-circle of Wagner cadre.
So he’ll go down along with Berezovsky and Patarkatsishvili, as Scorpions who thought that they had dealt the Turtle a death-blow – only to end up d-dot themselves.
The West has declared Putin to have been Scorpion’d about once a year since 2001 (when Berezovsly first started funding attempts to do so). Berezovsky’s been dead for a decade and a half, and the West can’t stop with the “Putin is done” conspiracy-theory.
nope. The facts that
1) the Mutiny occured at all, and
2) Babyface Tsar had to negotiate and cut a deal with the chief (((Mutineer)))
instead of arresting and executing (((him)))
indicate that Babyface Tsar is even weaker than he already was
and will likely be running a power station in Siberia
before too long….or merely dead. Worse, since Babyface Tsar has failed
to cleanse the Kremlin of crooked (((oligarchs))), (((Atlanticists)))
and other Jews, it’s likely he will be replaced by yettanother ZOG.
Ritter reported that Ukrainian sabotage teams were arrested in Moscow just as this was happening. Has this important information been confirmed by other sources?
Ritter is sweating because he has been stating for months that Prigozhin is under the control of Putin and any of his complaints are for show.
Ritter has been wrong every single month and now he looks even worse. Prigozhin was never a ploy which also means that he really was short on ammo. That also means Bakhmut was not a trap as the MoD was indeed starving Wagner or didn’t have the resources available. I would bet the former.
So everything Ritter has said about Bakhmut is wrong. MoonOfAlabama and Larry C Johnson were also wrong about Bakhmut being some complex game that Putin is playing. It isn’t a game and he just got bamboozled by his best general.
The whole thing still has the fake war vibe. Apparently some Russian gas is still going through Ukraine.
You believe a Russian plane and helicopter were shot down as part of a ruse? Over a populated urban area? Along with an oil depot taken out by Russian helicopters?
Why did Putin embarrass himself on television by decreeing that the rebels will be punished?
If the whole thing was a ruse then there would be no reason for him to give a statement where he breaks his own word.
Sometimes a cigar is a cigar and an angry Jewish chef is an angry Jewish chef.
Two points:
(1) do you seriously think that anybody outside of the Empire of Lies would consider it unseemly if the National Security Council of the Russian Federation decided – after review of new evidence – that the ‘deal’ with ObeseNosferatu should be called off? D’you think that Medvedev and Putin are worried that Lukashenko (who is not behind this ‘deal’) would give them side-eye?
(2) frangenti fidem, fides frangatur iedem. It’s exhortative: you must break faith with one who has broken faith.
(2) is obviously a foreign concept to Scorpions and the Scorpion-adjacent – they expect the goyim to be bound by any obligation, while feeling at complete liberty to Jew (or welch) on any oath… as the “Kol Nidre” doctrine makes clear.
Good to have you back though… we were worried that the pitiful flow of shekels might have been disrupted (it’s all recycled US aid anyhow) – which would deprive the Men of Unz of its prime comedic contributors.
Like the ((jew)), you’re stereotyping dogmatic Christianity, strawman style, so you can play the “victim” of “intolerance”.
A) Dogmatjc, ((jew)) stained Christianity and Christian Logos are two different things.
B) There is nothing more intolerant, dogmatic and murderous than ((jew)) manufactured golem ideologies from Marxism to Zionism and everything in between, including Talmud induced nihilism (terrorism) and hedonism (buggering and child rape).
Ha! I was the 1st to post this idea here yesterday.
‘The People Are Silent’: The Main Reason the Wagner Mutiny Bodes Ill for Putin
Prigozhin crossed a line. But it was the reaction of ordinary Russians that should worry the Russian president the most.
By Leon Aron
06/25/2023
With a deal reportedly worked out by Belorussian president Alexander Lukashenko, the Wagner mutiny appears to be over. The commander and owner of the “private military company,” Evgeny Prigozhin, promised to turn the troops back to the Ukrainian border, while he himself was reportedly going into exile in Belarus.
What Prigozhin called the March for Justice is likely to be remembered not so much for the actual military operation as for what it revealed about Russia. Like a powerful searchlight, the 48-hour rebellion illuminated the murky innards of the Putin regime including the military’s divided allegiances, the seeming hollowness of the people’s support for the regime and, by extension, the regime’s shaky legitimacy. The images — of Putin, a famous night owl, addressing the nation in a dark suit and tie early on a Saturday morning; of mangled Russian helicopters felled by Wagner forces; and of residents of Rostov-on-Don jeering local police after the mutiny was ended — do not bode well for the Kremlin.
Prigozhin had been pushing the envelope for months. Yet until very recently his obscenity-laden Telegram rants were directed at the defense minister Sergei Shoigu and the chief of general staff Valery Gerasimov. He hugely upped the ante this past Friday, when he dismissed as fabrications the reasons for invading Ukraine: a preemptive strike against NATO’s alleged aggression and protecting the inhabitants of Russia-occupied Donbas from supposedly relentless Ukrainian shelling. Those were Putin’s pretexts, so while Prigozhin blamed Shoigu for lying to Putin and didn’t name Putin directly, everyone knew that the criticism was ultimately directed at the president.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/25/mutiny-bodes-ill-for-putin-00103571
@ nokangaroos
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/25/future-of-putin-pal-shoigu-on-line-after-wagner-revolt-a81630
Talk/speculations. Irrelevant, really.
We have to wait and see what HAPPENS.
For the players I expect to see (or not): firings, resignations, early retirements and “promotions”.
For the NPCs accidents, fratricide and outright assasinations.
Those things take time. We’ll probably start seeing the former (or not) within next 48 hours. Later in weeks/months to come.
@QCIC
Various oligarchic factions within Russian elite to maintain/increase their wealth and power. Czar and boyars thing.
Now, there is one element I haven’t seen many contemplating. Makes sense.
This is just beginning. So…what happens when the next time an outfit doesn’t go travelling along a motorway but takes a detour to nuclear weapons unit? Say…some short range missiles on wheels in a forest nearby?
Yes, I know: they don’t have codes. You sure? Can’t be bought, stolen? Maybe more importantly: can’t be bypassed in the field ? Hehe…you really sure about it?
Now, to be clear: you and me have a different perception of reality there. You strike me as “Russophile”. Nothing wrong with that. I know a lot of people who are “orcaphiles” and do a lot of hard work to save them when they run aground. I move a bit out of way keep fishing.
So, of course:
Sure it is. For all those dead and mutilated Russians in particular. Their families too. You aware as to how it works there when you are a VDV officer with no legs? Take a look one day. Related, how have families of the Moscowite 0.01 % been doing since the start of the shitshow? Less champagne, probably. How much?
All good.
Well, till somebody gets hold on those nukes, that is.
Watch out for those killer dolphins next! They have ray guns mounted on their backs.
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Russia boosts dolphin patrols to protect Crimea naval base
Footage shows ‘a near doubling’ of dolphin pens guarding the Sevastopol harbor, British intelligence says.
By Nicolas Camut
June 23, 2023 11:07 am CET
The Russian Navy is increasing the number of trained dolphins it uses to protect its main military base in the Black Sea, according to intelligence reports.
The animals are guarding the entry to the port of Sevastopol, in Russian-occupied Crimea, and are likely intended to “counter enemy divers,” British military intelligence said Friday.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-war-dolphin-patrols-protect-crimea-naval-base/
do you seriously think that anybody outside of the Empire of Lies would consider it unseemly if the National Security Council of the Russian Federation decided – after review of new evidence – that the ‘deal’ with ObeseNosferatu should be called off?
I wouldn’t doubt that Putin had a hit on him before the incursion. Putin has had people pushed out of windows for far less. In fact we haven’t seen such public insubordination under Putin. Which would mean that the likely scenario is that Putin has been unable to kill him.
Prigozhin is very slippery. He probably had this planned with Lukashenko for weeks.
D’you think that Medvedev and Putin are worried that Lukashenko (who is not behind this ‘deal’) would give them side-eye?
I believe Prighozin is behind all of this. I don’t buy his false flag claim in the least. I looked at the video and I call BS. The CIA reported that he was moving troops before the supposed attack on his troops by Russian forces. In conjunction that makes his claim very suspicious. Everything he has done in the last month has been very suspicious.
Obviously no one truly knows what occurs behind closed doors but I see Prigozhin benefitting the most. He was waved off as a hero by the people and gets to sit out the worst of the war. Well played IMO.
Good to have you back though… we were worried that the pitiful flow of shekels might have been disrupted (it’s all recycled US aid anyhow) – which would deprive the Men of Unz of its prime comedic contributors.
Well I have a better record on this war than self-described military analysts MacGregor and Ritter. I never believed that Prighozin was a ploy or that Bakhmut was an elaborate trap.
Maybe I should switch from comedy and go into the dictator promotion business. Oh wait nevermind I have a real skill and don’t have to cheerlead a homicidal dwarf for a living.
{Prigozhin still could be suicided regardless of where he was exiled.}
It won’t be Putin’s doing: Prigozhin is a nobody now.
He is more valuable to Putin alive than dead.
Putin would have no compunction to have him assassinated, but then Prigozhin would become a martyr. Alive, he will be despised by the Russian people as a traitor that he is. He and his followers will have no legitimacy. They are poison now.
HOWEVER, he will most certainly be a target of MI6/CIA: they don’t want him around to talk about their “relationship”, and his assassination can be plausibly blamed on FSB/Putin: Win-Win for the GloboSorosaWest.
Not cancelled – The slow collapse of The West. You know – The Word, The World Stage, The Free World.
Well, actually – Washington’s Ukraina Grandioznaya Skhema.
The Graveyard of This Empire.
https://les7eb.substack.com/p/washingtons-ukraina-grandioznaya
Couldn’t have hoped for more.
Any old port in a storm.
With a guy like Prigozhin it’s a good bet that this is all not what it seems.
Nope. We have the receipts.
ObeseNosferatu wrote, spoke, and released video calling for an end to the SMO – before the actual fall of Artyomovsk ( Bock -mooot for those who prefer the DementiaPedo terminology).
ObeseNosferatu can’t retcon or gaslight his way out of this: he took his shot – as his co-ethnics did in 1917 – and it didn’t work.
Russia in 1917 was a Frog; Russia in 2023 is a Turtle.
Russian 20th-century fable vs the original Persian 15th century version.
Scorpions don’t read the Persian Version – which makes sense, because in most of their dealings the goyische counterparty is a Frog.
it would be interesting to know what part of the 2% were western and foreign and what part are russian. either way the rats got smoked. now there is talk of prigozhin, replacing lukashenko, lol. imo the russians are just having fun, yanking the west’s chain. so far the west has bought it hook, line and sinker, in the words of bugs bunny what a maroon.
will these idiots ever figure out that prigozhin is baron munchhausen?
(from Judge Napolitano’s channel)
[Wagner Group Revolt Ended – Ritter was correct]
Video Link
LOL.. that’s the spirit; the shekels must flow.
Your man ObeseNosferatu played true-to-type – tried to bite the hand that feeds; tried to Scorpion his way to riches and power – and he ran into a Turtle. Ooof… that’s gotta sting.
The fact that he tried the whole AtrocityPorn that Eastern European hovel-dwellers are so fond of (“ZOMFG The Russian MOD tried to #AnnudahShoah Wagner!!!“) just shows how sloppy the Scorpion classes get when they think it’s Go-Time.
But seriously – keep hope alive, fren. Keep that hasbara happening: be true to the Berezovsky Spirit.
As Boris said just before he hanged himself in the shower… Putin’s Done For. That was a decade and a half ago, but y’know, “look forward, not backward”.
MegaBrain OstEuropaische IQ was always going to surpass its prior peak – the invention of the lice-infested shtetl. It’s just a question of when (the answer, historically, has been “not yet”).
That conspiracy theory is dumber than the one floating around in my brain.
“I believe Prighozin is behind all of this.”
I believe the British or American element that Prighozin has been in contact with since the DOS neocons/CIA NGO Maidan coup of 2014 is behind all of this. It is true that Prighozin shares ethnicity with the oligarchs of interest and Ukrainian managerial elite, that could have driven him to embrace globohomo. But he was programmed by UK/US agents (at the behest of globohomo).
I got a kick out of your pun, even though it sure looks like he is holding a Burgundy or an amarone.
The ban, while still very widely observed, has never actually been official, in the sense of being a law or an executive order. It’s all part of the overall Jewish grift of perpetual suffering from memories associated with their sacred holohoax. The fact that rich Israelis book something like 20 to 30 percent of available Bayreuth Festival tickets years in advance suggests that a Jew’s suffering from the sound of Wagner’s music is inversely proportional to his distance from the
WhiningWailing Wall.Of course, musicians who fail to observe the unofficial ban can still count on catching a lot of abuse and on losing marketability. Daniel Barenboim, for example, has been openly dismissive toward Israel’s anti-Wagner attitude for decades. In several Israeli concerts where he conducted orchestral excerpts from Wagner’s operas, he was met with boos and catcalls in the concert hall and aggressive demonstrators outside it.
Reading Celine in Tel Aviv, outloud.
The CIA and MI6 were probably personally meeting him in central Bakhmut.
Yep… IT’S OVER.
let the Hoholocaust re-commence!!
Has anybody seen the word “Hoholocaust” used before?
I never claim to have invented a genuine neologism – I know the extreme limitations to my originality – but this word just popped into my head when I was preparing a sous-vide bolar blade roast … anyway, I think it’s fucking hilarious.
Another softball interview with the judge where Ritter isn’t hammered on his previous claims.
Nice try but this is the internet and not Russian State TV.
Here is Ritter telling us that Wagner reports directly to the Russian general staff and anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know anything about mercenaries. He also claims they are one of the most professional military units in the world.
Video Link
I’ll look for the video where he claims that Prigozhin’s demands for ammo are all just theatrics.
Wagner are Hardcore patriots in the same sense as which side in this tussle?
The tough honest but clueless cringe flag wavers or the scrawny college kids hiding their faces who’ve thought about the real problem?
Or the Johnson who sees this failure to communicate as a win win for Murka?
Jew tried to seize power after aggrandising himself in a suspiciously slow assault on a town that the Jew King of Kiev defended to the last Ukie, apparently. Bakhmut was probably where Prigozhid directly met with “John Johnson” to plan the Putsch on Moscow. There’s nothing complex about this.
The shekels obviously flowed through Bakhmut.
Right…..it’s all just another Saturday matinee performance of The Greatest Show On Earth! How do they cram all those clowns into that tiny car anyway?
Well, I never said who is going to suicide him, ain’t I?
6 million in the astray. Honk honk.
And all of it funny-money. This way to The EGRESS!
>So, a few hours ago, I was pretty sure the Russian state was going to utterly collapse, and that the Ukraine would seize Russian territory.
I have to admit that I was caught up in the western media hype too. Then I looked at a map. Rostov is only sixty miles from Donbas, about an hour’s drive. By the time MoD noticed Prigozhin was missing from the front, he was in Rostov. Along the way he probably waved at the checkpoint soldiers and they waved back, thinking it was an authorized troop movement.
Also looking at the map, I realized Moscow was hundreds of miles, hours of driving, from Rostov over flat terrain, which Prigozhin would have to cross with no air cover — a sitting duck for missiles, drones, and shelling from the Russian army now on full alert. If Putin had a heart attack at that precise moment, then maybe Kremlin leadership would have been paralyzed long enough for Prigozhin to roll into Red Square. So the chance of coup success was greater than zero, maybe .01%.
Otherwise, Priggy was just asking for it and either he realized it or his subordinates realized it for him before it was too late.
Anyhow, Andrew would have realized the unlikelihood of coup success if he had just looked at the map and done simple arithmetic.
Jews love Wagner, and love to “hate” him. Once I went to a Ring opera in LA and it was mostly Jews (and Asians). No Black people or Mexicans, strangely enough…
I hear Wagner’s musical pieces in many Jewish produced Hollywood soundtracks and in songs, (((Hans Zimmer, Neil Diamond, Jewry Goldsmith etc., it’s typical of Jews to rip off German music composer now that their musical compositions have expired their copyright protection. You think these kikes are going to give Wagner credit?
But then how many really know Wagner’s music when rearranged to fit a Hollywood blockbuster?
Not according to the turds who infest the Austfailian MSM. Putin’s finished, they all say (as ever, Groupthink is 100%). With luck he’ll be delivered, in chains, to the ICC, and heroic Navalny will ascend the throne and oversee the ‘decolonisation’ of Russia, like Yeltsin (down to the alcoholism) reborn.
In fact Judas swapped places with Jesus and died on the Cross, while the Nazarene buggered off to Kashmir and live a long and happy life, leaving many heirs. `
It wasn’t even twenty-five thousand, but many less. The Western MSM behaved, as ever, as lying, propaganda, vermin.
Thousands of people have been jailed and hundreds of thousands of civil servants lost their jobs, with the latter having great difficulty in many cases in finding private employment as an alternative. The involvement of most such people in the putsch attempt is not proved – basically it was an opportunity to get rid of anybody who was the least bit awkward.
The AKP and Erdoğan have also been quite casual about loss of life when it suits them. Their reaction to mining disasters like the one at Soma years back that cost over 300 lives was that it was “the will of Allah”. Yes, a convenient attitude if you do not want to spend money on safety precautions…
Even political violence might sometimes be welcome to them. For example, in 2015 the AKP lost its overall majority in parliament. Rather than accept coalition rule Erdoğan held out for new elections, and meanwhile there was a strange uptick in political violence. The “solution process” with the PKK ended in the summer with a bombing targeting leftists at Suruç, on the border with Syria. Probably done by Islamists (with AKP connivance?) but the main target of the crackdown was Kurdish nationalists. Another bombing of leftists in Ankara killed over a hundred people – police arriving on the scene actually started attacking the victims of the bombing. A few weeks later new elections were held and the AKP got its majority back – the strange Islamist bombings abruptly tailed off. No longer needed?
Explain why he is so wrong so often. Or go give him a blowjob.
No you didn’t.
MI6 agent Berezovsky living in London, and plotting Putin’s overthrow (right), supposedly committed suicide. Right.
That’s what a crackdown is. Actually, that’s what a humane and kindly crackdown is. A coup is a kind of war. These notions you seem to have about carefully sussing out individual guilt do not apply. Getting rid of some innocents just isn’t an important cost, compared to getting rid of the guilty—i.e. the costs of Type I and Type II error are not the same as they are during the normal course of business. If your heart bleeds for the innocents, place the blame on the coup-plotters where it belongs.
The rest of your comment is just “Erdogan is a mean dude” which I don’t doubt. Maybe you could follow it up with “whereas Gulenists, Kemalists, and other friends of the CIA are hale fellows well-met.”
When this phase of the war is over (however it wraps up) and the Americans turn their attention to China, John Johnson will be here making the exact same comments (probably word for word) about Xi and China. He really is a gay boomer.
I think setting off bombs as a strategy of tension just because your party did not get an overall majority is something more than being a “mean dude”.
“Whereas Gülenists, Kemalists, and other friends of the CIA are hale fellows well-met.” Actually, in the first decade or so of AKP rule Erdoğan and his party showed every sign of being “friends of the CIA”. To wit, the “moderate Muslim project”. As opposed to those “extremist Muslims” like Bin Laden. And major material assistance to the destabilisation of Syria is not exactly against the CIA or Israel’s game plan, now is it? Signs of “de-Kemalicisation” were also welcomed, especially in Western liberal circles. When I was in Turkey in 2015 it was possible to note portraits of Erdoğan placed next to those of Atatürk and of exactly the same size, which would once have been considered blasphemy. After the 2016 failed coup there has actually been some re-Kemalicisation – Atatürk was the strongman who ruled by himself and Erdoğan wishes to project himself in the same light.
As to Gülen, he was once Erdoğan’s mentor. AKP media accused CHP leader Kılıçdaroğlu of being a Gülenist. Kılıçdaroğlu retorted that he has never met Gülen, but that there are numerous photos of Erdoğan and Gülen together. And CHP outlets published them.
“Getting rid of some innocents just isn’t an important cost” – hold onto that thought, Bill, until it happens to you or someone you care about.
“… this Telly Savalis look-alike.”
Actually, I get reminded of a younger Nosferatu:
“Nosferatu” is Romanian for “undead”, not a name.
Lavrov has just more or less declared for Wagner, at least as far
as Africa is concerned … things are getting clearer;
it made sense for Shoigu to harmonize the Donbassniki – the volunteer formations
are already borderline; it made no sense for Wagner whose defining quality is
they are not MoD.
“Wagner wise” I am interested to see:
1. Do they stay as one force or get divided?
2. If former do they retain the same internal CiC structure and personnel, or not?
Still too early to see what’s going to happen. BTW, not what somebody said or not; we are talking Kremlin here. What is being DONE.
There are proven and tested methods as to how to get rid of worrisome military outfits. So far we can see a lot of talk. The squabbles in the Cabal are still going on.
Let’s wait and see what happens.
Not because of Wagner outfit, but it will show how this round of power play settles among Russian elites.
As for
In any normal military all volunteer formations are integrated into armed forces. Which, again, points to what’s important because military is just a tool; the user(s) is what all that is really about. What they want. Or not.
Let’s step back from pure military stuff. I have no illusion as to how much I know about the subject compared to pretty much anyone here. No false modesty.
Having said that, again, military is just a tool. Blunt one, when one thinks about it.
Two scenarios:
You wish to prosecute mobile war. You need a competent force of certain size. Wagner it is, because the rest is shit.
You do NOT wish to prosecute mobile war. You need internal stability and NOT a sizeable competent force capable of offensive operations. Ask any Third/Fourth world country top leadership as to why. You get rid of Wagner.
So….what happens to Wagner will show, actually, what Kremlin wishes re the shitshow there.
We’ll see it soon.
The rumors are flying low and thick …
Luka is building three Wagner camps à 8000 men;
Luka is wary of them and wants to see their behinds yesterday;
etc. etc.
Wagner are above all a tool of GRU and FM, and as such their role is assured;
their present use is an anomaly (any similarities to the history of US Special Forces
are no doubt unintended and purely coincidental).
We´ll see, yes.
Well…the topic IS interesting.
I ignore all the online talk. Just watch what’s happening. Or not.
A corps sized combined arms unit mutinied. And nothing is, still, happening…….
That, itself, speaks volumes.
Now, for Putintards, should Putin end in the Kamchatka Peninsula it will be all part of his genius etc.
For (unbalanced) Russia haters if Russian Army gets to the Polish border it will be just two days before RF falls apart.
The above describes 90 % online presence. This pub included.
The challenge is recognizing those in time. Say, first two sentences. Working on it……
Yep.
It’s simple:
Wagner gets divided without single, unifying CiC structure, with similar personnel–>Oligarch Group One won.
Wagner stays pretty much as it is–>Oligarch Group Two won.
Putin is still balancing between those two groups. Not easy….hehehe…..
But even Wagner isn’t important. Shoigu is. Or, better, “Shoigu group”.
What happens to him/them will be deciding factor moving forward.
I’d say……….60/40…nothing.
I’m referring to the character in the German movie of 1922:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu
Just like, if I referred to Dracula, I’d usually be referring to the character in Bram Stoker’s novel, since made popular in untold movies, TV shows, books, etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula
and not the historical Romanian figure, Vlad Dracula:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
Alec gives a good synopsis of what is knowable:
Video Link
It is clear that from Shoigu´s POV the Musicians are siphoning off his talent
(I found the same argument in a textbook from 1899) and their most productive
use at the moment would be as instructors (and hopefully officers);
you can transplant the TO&E and to some degree the choreography but not
the culture (no one was a stickler for discipline quite like the Germans but
the Sturmtruppen were not required to salute officers not their own) –
Shoigu´s Own (“Storm Z”) do not (yet?) measure up.
So it looks like the Orchestra will remain, just not in theater, and no one is too
obviously slighted.
Full, corps sized, unit?
Where?
A corps sized unit which recently mutinied against the Kremlin in….say…..Chelyabinsk?
I believe that the Oligarch Group One would be.
Divided and/or without heavy weapons, I think The Oligarch Group Two would.
Let’s watch and see will that happen. Still a lot of talk so far; not much action.