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I think I’ve squared a circle. Doesn’t mean it’s real; just that I’ve found a way to square it.

Walk with me.

Let’s say you’re Trump and you’ve promised mass deportations and huge tariffs on China and other countries.

Let’s say that mass deportation is incredibly expensive – maybe you’re aware that Hitler’s camps and extermination programme were eating 13% of Nazi Germany’s GDP in the middle of their wars of conquest.

Let’s say you’re also aware that this will take years and years and years, because there’s literally no way to do this quickly. Physically, I mean. 15 million people can’t be thrown out overnight, or even over months. It’ll be years.

Let’s also say you want to keep inflation down, particularly to keep prices from skyrocketing due to your tariff policies. Tariffs are, I remind you, a tax an imports that get paid by the importer, and which are passed on to the customer. They are inflationary, by design. At least, until and unless they torpedo the economy entirely, at which point, well, you’ve set off a second Great Depression, just like Smoot and Hawley.

Now, let’s say that it’s very important to you to keep wages down as well, because nobody wants to pay workers if they can avoid it. If you want to bring back a lot of manufacturing in an already-tight labour market, that’s going to raise labour costs. It just is.

So you assign an amoral monster like Tom Homan – author of Trump’s Family Separation policy – as the “czar” of immigration. He’s promising the largest deportation force in history and recently said his answer to preventing “family separation” is to expel the entire family – citizenship be damned.

(He’s also a contributor to Project 2025 and a visiting fellow at Heritage Foundation. Project 2025 absolutely is the agenda. All of it.)

Then you start talking to people you’re already very friendly with, the operators of private prisons. They are utterly ready and looking forward to the new policies. They see it as an opportunity to double – or better – the size of their evil industry in all its forms.

Your inner circle have already acknowledged you’ll have to build camps – lots of them, big ones. You’ll call them “prisons” or “detention facilities” or “military camps,” not “concentration camps,” you certainly won’t call them that. Let’s say “facilities.”

Prison “facilities” are already well known for requiring prison labour, and for their pennies-per-hour payment to inmates. Private prisons have pushed the envelope on this in many ways; prison labour is a profit centre. One I was working against, before the fascist era.

So.

Imagine, if you would, the very easy jump.

You’ve got to do something with these hundreds of thousands of imprisoned people, don’t you.

Imagine expulsions taking months, then years. Years at a time. Perhaps they stop working so hard on speeding up the process. Perhaps they slow-walk it, timed to, say, suit the availability of “facility” beds.

Of course you’ll put them to work. A rotating cast of “facility” workers – “prison workers” – worked slowly through the system so there’s no one there quite long enough to start organising.

Paid, technically. At pennies for the hour, as a token, a pretence that it’s not slavery. But, of course, it is. You recoup the pennies you have to pay by charging them for everything. Maybe even their bed.

And just like that you have highly profitable… North Korean-style labour camps, with entire families of workers imprisoned, for who knows how long while they are put to work as factory labour for the private prison companies which become the new internal outsourcers of zero-cost labour.

Slavery, though not by name.

Maybe you’ll tie camp expansions to increases in tariffs. Raise them in parallel, timed so that the internal outsourcing absorbs the cost of the new tariffs. And then look – no price inflation, no wage inflation.

And whole new class of people to look down upon forever, if you like.

It’s quite the plan. Very neat. Very clean. Given that Trump voters actively want “military camps” used against immigrants, it’ll be a very easy sell.

And very, very profitable. Slave camps always have been, really.

And all you have to be is an abomination upon the earth.

And all your supporters have to do is let you be one.

Is that the plan? I don’t know.

All I know is that all the pieces seem to fit.

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Date: 2024-11-11 11:19 pm (UTC)
dewline: "Truth is still real" (anti-fascism)
From: [personal profile] dewline
It probably is the plan.

Date: 2024-11-12 12:52 am (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Some US jurisdictions already charge inmates a daily fee of as much as $100 per day for room and board, 40 cents per minute for telephone calls, and 47 cents per email. And that's for people who will be allowed to stay in the US after their theoretical release.

If someone is being deported, then there'd be no incentive to charge such subsidized rates. I expect the length of time you'd be incarcerated would be proportional to your family's total net worth, with you only being allowed to leave once you are destitute.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/17/inmates-released-big-bills/95574250/

Date: 2024-11-12 12:35 am (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Can you give me more info about the Holocaust costing 13% of GDP? If I can't convince people with ethics or morals, it'll be useful to use their wallet.

Date: 2024-11-12 01:11 am (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Kind of difficult when the ones you need to persuade the most deny it ever happened.

Date: 2024-11-12 01:35 am (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Some openly want to repeat it, too.

Date: 2024-11-12 02:52 am (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
The distribution of victims in Germany was skewed towards urban areas, so we can assume a disproportionate impact on industrial output. Then subtract the labour of the perpetrators that could have been put to productive use. That's probably at least 3-4% in direct impact to GDP. I don't know enough about economics to guess about the other factors.

Of course, the people I'd be trying to convince either don't know how tariffs work, or are actively shorting the US market to profit from the aftermath, so it's probably not worth using finances to convince people after all.

Date: 2024-11-14 03:08 pm (UTC)
rmd: (moneycat)
From: [personal profile] rmd
Yeah, I assumed that a bunch of the work currently being done by undocumented folks (like, say, propping up THE ENTIRE FOOD INDUSTRY IN THE US FROM FARM TO COMMERCIAL KITCHEN) would end up being done by detainees.

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