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Now that there is an actual mass X-odus happening – and it is real and it is happening this time – I’m telling people: Right now, anything is better than X. Anything. I’m happy you’re finally leaving, over two years after I said it was time to go.
But I also say that I wish people were going to Mastodon, or some other Federation/ActivityPub social media system, and I ask them to turn on the BridgyFed gateway, to keep communications open with those of us in the Federation. I have other reasons for that too, which I may get into later, but that’s the reason I give. All of them are equally sincere.
I did that enough times – always friendly, always encouraging, but consistently and persistently, giving my little speech – and someone finally asked me why. So I told them.
1) I have been writing for years now about how Elon Musk bought Twitter to turn it into a fascist propaganda and disinformation machine. I wrote most recently about that here, and how it worked in this election.
While BlueSky is not Twitter, BlueSky is akin to Twitter in if it gains traction, Musk’s successful experiment with Twitter will be repeated. BlueSky will be bought out and the same thing or something similar will most likely happen with it.
This literally cannot happen with Mastodon, or with anything in the Federation of ActivityPub-speaking social media sites in general, of which there are literally thousands.
(BlueSky’s latest round of funding is another cryptocurrency investment firm with strong ties to Steve Bannon, one of the primary authors of our current political situation and who is strongly allied with Elon Musk. To me, it seems all but inevitable that what happened to Twitter will happen to BlueSky. I could be wrong about that, but… well. You do the math.)
2) Mastodon is actually decentralised/distributed social media.
BlueSky may describe itself as decentralised social media, but it isn’t in any sense that actually matters. While you can set up your own domain of it, all that really means is that you’ve got your own local storage. To actually use BlueSky in any way – to post, to read other posts, to send messages, literally anything – it all has to go through BlueSky corporate. If BlueSky’s main instance goes down, that’s it for the entire service. Hence: not actually decentralised.
By contrast, if mastodon.social – the flagship Mastodon instance – disappeared tomorrow, literally nothing would change for anyone else. Every other instance of Mastodon would keep working just fine, with zero loss of functionality.
There is no critical core site to buy and bend to your will. These are thousands, and anyone can set up another. An Elon-style takeover cannot work.
3) Mastodon has achieved something no other social media network has managed, and that is to turn the Nazi Bar phenomenon against Nazis via an administrative level action called defederation. I figured this out a couple of years ago and it’s genius and it works. Here’s a post I wrote where I figured it out, literally mid-post. It’s short, but it’s sweet.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t problems in the Federation, because of course there are. There are fash and trolls and all those horrible things setting up and using their own Mastodon instances, too. But because they are quarantined into their own Nazi bars and nobody else will talk to them, they don’t matter.
If you set up a site and you let fash on? Every competent instance administrator adds you to the “nazi server” list and bang, their entire instance and all their users are completely irrelevant. No whack-a-mole. Poof. Gone. And since setting up an instance actually costs money – you have to buy a unique domain – the “create 10,000 troll instances” phenomenon costs too much money to make it work.
This does mean you have to join a good instance. Or if you set one up yourself, you have to do the extra work of getting a good blocklist and keeping up. Once you’re set up, though, it’s genuinely one of the least difficult and most rewarding parts of instance management. “Oh look, a fascist hive. Let’s blow it up.“
Boom. Gone.
4) BlueSky is BlueSky. Every BlueSky is the same. It is a Twitter clone, more or less. It talks to itself and clones of itself.
Mastodon, by contrast, is one of several entirely different ActivityPub-speaking social media server types. It’s the best known, but it is not the only one, and they all intercommunicate.
Frendica, for example, is a bit like Old Facebook. There are an assortment of Frendica instances out there. Despite the fact that I do not have a Friendica account, some of the people who follow me are doing so from Frendica, and do not have Mastodon accounts. They see my posts, they can reply, I can reply back, and it all works exactly as if we were using the same social media, even though we absolutely are not.
I’m a member of a couple of Friendica groups… via my Mastodon account. I joined them from Mastodon. I can leave them from Mastodon. I can post to them from Mastodon.
I have never logged on to a Friendica server. And yet.
OwnTube is a distributed video hosting server. There are several instances of it. I follow a couple of OwnTube users from my Mastodon account. I see when they put up new videos, from Mastodon. I can watch them from Mastodon. I can reply to them from Mastodon, and even though I do not have an OwnTube account, my replies are visible to them as comments under their video.
I self-host a WordPress blog. It can be followed from Mastodon. Or from OwnTube. Or from Friendica, or Hometown, or Firefish, or Akkoma, or Lemmy (which is more discussion-forum like), or kbin, or GoToSocial, or anything else. You’ll see my blog posts in your social media account feed, whatever form that takes. You can reply to my posts from there. I see them on my blog as replies. I can reply back. You will see my replies on your social media instance.
No cross sign-ins. No changing accounts back and forth. No switching sites or apps. No weird permissions. No need for any of that, because they all talk to each other, and most of the time, it is utterly transparent.
Here’s a recent popular post on my blog. There are 74 comments. Other than the replies I wrote, all of those comments came from other ActivityPub-compatible social media sites. Some are Mastodon; some are not. They see my replies on their instances… of whatever they’re running. I don’t know and I don’t even need to care, because it doesn’t matter, because they all speak ActivityPub.
I have several hundred followers specifically of my blog, in addition to the 1500 or so on my Mastodon account. Most of them have never visited the blog itself, because they don’t need to. And yet, they’ve read all my posts.
That’s what the open social web actually promises – and, while it can still be kinda fiddly and weird… actually delivers.
There is more creativity in this space about what social media can be – for good – than in every other social media site in the world combined and it can be frustrating and it can be strange and it can be wonderful.
That’s why I think Mastodon is better – not in and of itself, necessarily, it has all kinds of problems even if I do like it, and run a small instance with 15 accounts. But I think it’s better more as successfully becoming a visible gateway to a much larger – and potentially truly better – social media world.
None of the modern online hellscape has to be like this.
It really doesn’t. None of it does.
It can be better.
And that’s why I care.
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Date: 2024-11-19 01:22 am (UTC)this.
how Mastodon has failed because Black people tried to join, and were met with hostility and attitude and then driven away, and -- I don't know, maybe this is just one guy with an axe to grind who maybe ran into a bad instance; but it seems like this is happening a lot, and being a white guy I don't have any clue what the Black experience is, so I try to pay attention to stuff like this.
And I worry about Mastodon folks doing a little too much self-congratulatory back-patting
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Date: 2024-11-19 03:02 am (UTC)Setting up an instance is way easier than running an instance properly.
And during the previous (failed) migration, Mastodon's client and instance list made no attempt to differentiate between instance quality. None.
As a result, you ended up with a number of Black people having absolutely horrific initial experiences. I've investigated a lot of these, and it was very real... because... the instances they were on didn't have meaningful defederation lists.
Defederation is how you fence off the Nazi bars, the fascist instances. It's the cornerstone of safety in the Federation.
And those instances didn't do it. Often, not at all.
So NaziFed came at Black people on those instances, because they weren't set up right, and so they could.
And since people on other instances don't see those replies, because their better-run instances are defederated from NaziFed, they by default have no idea what the people complaining are talking about. So they didn't take it seriously.
This isn't always what was up, not by any means. But it caused a whole lot of serious and lasting damage. Really did.
People have been taking steps on this, a big one being defaulting to mastodon.social, which is decently run. Other steps have and are being taken too. Are they enough? No, but it's made a big difference.
A second example - one Black people have been saying for a while that they consider really important - is the dev team not prioritising Quote Boost, what would've been called Quote Tweet on Twitter. It was seen as really important to have this, apparently, for Black Twitter.
Mastodon made a real specific decision not to have it, because of how it was used as a primary harassment vector for queer (particularly trans) people on Twitter - the same people who left early to start the ActivityPub effort, long before Mastodon ever showed up. Mastodon, too, is shaped by that.
This has been a massive source of friction over the last two years, and both sides have real and actual histories that make it important for them. The Black people I follow have seen the fight to get it on the dev pathway at all as disrespectful to the needs of Black online organising; white LGBT people (particularly trans people) who have been on a while see it as "we literally started an entire new method of social networking to get away from this nonstop source of hellish abuse, why are you demanding we bring it back?"
(See also, more complex moderation tools.)
As to being too self-congratulatory: wow that is not the vibe right now. Holy shit. Me writing this is, in no small part, me being aspirational about what could be, and I say that outright. I'm partly reacting against an overly critical mood that's on and about right now.
(Yes, I also say some of the promise is being delivered now - and it is. If and only if you're on a competently run instance.)
Finally, one thing to keep in mind is - I like Mekka, he's a pretty good guy, and he's a major voice on the site, but he has some real hobbyhorses like believing that Mastodon development should be directed by a co-op board of users and not the nonprofit and dev team that are actually doing the actual work.
And I get what he's talking about, but I'm sorry, that's ... just not going to go over well? Ever? You can't walk in and say "You're doing this wrong and need to hand over governance to other people like me or you're bad."
I mean, you can talk about it and try to make at least something like it happen but it's not easy and he has not demonstrated the finesse. So he's got a real beef with Eugen over this and you've gotta keep that in mind. Which isn't to dismiss the idea, but... this shit's real work. All of it. And his approach has been a trainwreck.
Finally...
None of this, as I freely admit, is in any way actually done. Honestly, I've been thinking about it more since writing that, and it may even be good that right now BlueSky is the destination, because while it the Federation a lot better, and Mastodon really has come a long way in two years, it's still... kind of adventurer territory. It's still very DIY.
And like Mekka - who said in replies that he actually does enjoy being on Mastodon - some of us like that.
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Date: 2024-11-19 05:13 pm (UTC)The difficulty and learning curve in using it is also not appealing. I've never been a huge fan of programming work and the hit and miss problem of finding the right instance to work for me eats up too damn much time that should go into writing and other things. The vibe may not be self-congratulatory on Masto itself, but let me tell you, the vibe elsewhere from Masto evangelists is definitely in that mode.
Ultimately, the only social media you control is the one you own yourself, which is newsletters. Until that's taken away, and if that goes, Masto won't be surviving either.
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Date: 2024-11-20 01:46 am (UTC)But I am going to address a couple of your points for anyone who comes by later.
First: creators promoting their own stuff is socially absolutely fine, as long as your presence is not just a stream of ads.
(Which is kind of true everywhere. Nobody likes people who just spew ads.)
I mean, I know a bunch of people who do it there. Hell, I do it there. This post went there and got a lot of positive responses - probably not surprisingly - but so does all my other writing. I have an audience in the thousands there - at the lowest end, around 2,000; routinely in the 4-5,000 range, my record is in the 40,000 range - and I get far more interaction there than anywhere else.
A bunch of larger writers like John Scalzi and Charlie Stross have big audiences there, far larger than mine.
There's a small but active artist community there too.
So just to be clear for anyone who comes around later: as long as you're not just spitting out ads (and not abusing hashtags and so on - stuff everyone agrees is bullshit), then you are welcome as a creator.
What you're not going to do, though, is become an "internet influencer" there. That won't happen. But writers, artists, crafts, stuff like that? It's fine.
Secondly... the funny thing about the social media I own myself is... I do own it myself. I own my own Mastodon instance and my self-hosted Federated Wordpress instance, the latter has several hundred followers separately to my main presence, and which has been growing like crazy lately.
Self-hosting is definitely not for everybody, and I absolutely do not recommend it for people who are not technical! But the Federation is the one place you can actually do all that.
I mean, again, it's not for everyone and I definitely do not recommend it if you aren't technically inclined.
But if you are, it is the one place where you actually can own it yourself.
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Date: 2024-11-20 01:51 am (UTC)Actually let me modify that last part the tiniest bit.
If you are writing on Wordpress - self-hosted or not - you can make your blog Federated mostly just by turning on a Wordpress official plugin called ActivityPub. That makes your blog visible to the Federation. You have to fill in a few fields but it's not very complicated or difficult, and it means people can follow you from Federation sites (e.g., Mastodon but not only Mastodon) and can reply to your posts from there too. Their replies show up as comments.
If you also install the Friends plugin, you can do one better: you can make your blog visible as a user on BlueSky. And people can follow your blog from there, too.
It's kinda neat. I like it.