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Japan's wooden satellite, LignoSat, has been deployed into orbit from the International Space Station (ISS). Wooden panels of LignoSat (credit: Kyoto University) LignoSat (pic credit: Kyoto University) - click to enlarge LignoSat was sent to the ISS in November 2024 on a mission to demonstrate that wood could be a viable …

  1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

    I like that the construction method does not need glue or nails (or screws, presumably).

    Good luck. Only worry is that tracking a wooden satellite using RADAR will be much more difficult than with a metal one.

    1. Martin Gregorie

      The radar transparency of a wooden satelite should be easy enough to fix: just cover its exterior with a suitable reflective material: very thin aluminium foil, a coat of bright white paint, or a coat of thin epoxy, cellulose lacquer or clear varnish containing aluminium powder should work equally well, though the white paint or aluminium powder paint would be easier to apply than the foil sheet would be.

      Using any of these structures should result in satellites that are light, cheap, durable when in space and more or less guaranteed to fully disintegrate when re-entering the atmosphere.

      1. David 132 Silver badge
        Happy

        Or even easier, just glue a Tile™ or an Apple AirTag™ to the satellite and never lose it again, with the only requirement being as long as it's in bluetooth range of someone's phone.

        On a related note, remind me, how "low" is "low Earth orbit"? Cos if we're talking 32' or less, this is definitely a viable solution and I are a rocket scientist and should get an award.

        1. Evil Auditor Silver badge
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          Brilliant! Now, there's only one problem still to solve: the 32' orbit is abuzz with orbiting birds and collision might easily lead to Kessler syndrome.

          Proposed solution: mount cats on the satellite to scare-alter the birds' orbits, avoiding collision.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            I'm thinking the birds could easily mistake it for a nestbox.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      "tracking a wooden satellite using RADAR will be much more difficult than with a metal one."

      Sonic screwdrivers won't work on 'em either.

      /me keeps thinking "IKEA satellite company" for some reason...

    3. The man with a spanner

      How is this for blue sky thinking out of the box?

      Wallace would give them an up vote.

      (for the non Brits amoungst us please refer to the documentary- A Grand Day Out).

      I cant help feeling that Mr Musk is really a penguin in disguise, not just a bad odour sorounding the trup man.

      See - The Wrong Trousers, and A Murder Most Fowl for furthet evidence.

      1. MyffyW Silver badge

        What a great idea! Elmo would make a very good Wallace & Gromit bad guy.

        1. Evil Auditor Silver badge
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          Elmo?! Please, only refer to the red, furry and never ever to the pale, egomanic monster as Elmo.

          Otherwise: thumbs up!

  2. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge
    Coat

    Satellite carpentry - a job of the future?

    -> mine's the one with the space chisels in it

    1. David 132 Silver badge

      Re: Satellite carpentry - a job of the future?

      Or a space plane, possibly?

      1. Sceptic Tank Silver badge
        Angel

        Re: Satellite carpentry - a job of the future?

        The stakes are high.

    2. Bebu sa Ware
      Windows

      Re: Satellite carpentry - a job of the future?

      The blind mitre dovetail joints are very neat (both senses.) I had to zoom in to see how they worked - more cabinet making than (bush) carpentry.

      The bevel along the outer edges where they meet a very nice touch.

      Also nice that the pencil marks across the base of the tenons indicating the depth of the mortise were left for the photograph.

      I can only envy the craftsmanship.

  3. Kane

    For some reason, my mind was drawn to the original scripts for Alien 3

    1. Anonymous Custard Silver badge
      Trollface

      Mine's more drawn to the remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still", and towards acting rather than script...

      1. that one in the corner Silver badge

        On that note, the Thunderbirds creator, Gerry Anderson, had success with space shows. Sadly, "Space 1999" had to be cancelled when Barbara Bain got woodworm.

  4. alain williams Silver badge

    What happens when they collide ?

    Will the debris be less damaging/polluting than when a metal framed satellite it hit - thus reducing impact of Kessler syndrome ?

    I suppose that the contents will still contain much metal, so the box/contents ratio might be important.

    1. bernmeister
      Facepalm

      Re: What happens when they collide ?

      I should think Kyoto University already has a splinter group studying the problem.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What happens when they collide ?

        Rats are smart, but maybe some turtles will help too.

  5. TVU

    Well, at least it will burn up well when it eventually reenters the Earth's atmosphere.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      ...or if it just happens to be flying over Los Angeles.

  6. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge
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    Guidance?

    Can the craft navigate its way through the cosmos autonomously, or does it need someone to man the elm?

    1. Anonymous Custard Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Guidance?

      That's the question, willow won't it get there? What do yew think?

      I'm sure it will be oak though, and at the end of life it can be reduced to ash.

    2. The man with a spanner

      Re: Guidance?

      An Oakey joke!

      1. David 132 Silver badge

        Re: Guidance?

        ...and a Poplar one too, judging by the number of upvotes!

        1. Sceptic Tank Silver badge
          Headmaster

          A new branch of astronomy.

          I pine for some decent puns.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: A new branch of astronomy.

            I pine for fir some decent puns.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: A new branch of astronomy.

            Puns like that make me growan. These old chestnuts make me sick a more every time I hear them. They go against the grain. In fact I maple out of this altogether.

  7. Howard Sway Silver badge

    building the spacecraft out of materials with less of an environmental impact is appealing

    Maybe, but I don't think a wooden rocket is going to work all that well.

    1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
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      Everything burns!

      Solid boosters wouldn't need an outer shell or parachutes. Main rockets become solid boosters.

      This has to be a good thing for that pesky rocket equation. Assuming you can find wood with as much thrust as a liquid rocket.

      How many knots is escape velocity?

      1. Bebu sa Ware
        Coat

        Re: Everything burns!

        How many knots is escape velocity?

        40,320 km/h ~ 21771 knots (nœuds?)

        I remember seeing a doco about an abandoned space gun in a US desert (Project HARP?) which projected payloads into I think suborbital flight but I recall my amusement at the artillery using wooden sabots to cocoon the metal payload. That the sabots could survive being shot up a 16" (~400mm) cannon speak to the toughness of dead trees.

        Plywoods and other laminates incorporating very thin metal foils might be a viable construction material for space.

        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: Everything burns!

          Project HARP was based in Barbados. The 16 inch gun (and several others) is still there today and can be visited when there isn't live firing taking place in the area

          There are a few videos on Youtube and other sites about it

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Everything burns!

        "How many knots is escape velocity?" I see what you did there. Have an upvote!

        1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: Everything burns!

          Thank you!

    2. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: building the spacecraft out of materials with less of an environmental impact is appealing

      Boffins need to take a leaf (sorry) from Larry Niven's Known Universe series and genetically engineer stage trees with a hollow space at the top for cargo and/or crew.

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: building the spacecraft out of materials with less of an environmental impact is appealing

      well if you use paper with carbon fiber... and line the inside with a sacrificial melty material... you could MAYBE make solid boosters "that way". Not re-usable though.

  8. Andy Non Silver badge
    Coat

    New opportunity for IKEA?

    Assemble your own flatpack satellites.

    1. HuBo Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: New opportunity for IKEA?

      Indeed! Back in 2022 Laura's story on LignoSat (being designed) also mentioned a Scandinavian competitor: the WISA Woodsat (from Finland), but its launch is still delayed I guess (some issue with radios?) ...

      Meanwhile, power the thing with a Swiss paper battery, or a Swedish-Finnish Lignode, and you're a step closer to a full IKEA design ... if only some Swedes could invent a ... I don't know ... wooden transistor! Yessir, IKEA rymdsatellit!

  9. Jan 0 Silver badge

    Outgassing?

    It's hard enough to get "clean" solid objects to stop outgassing in high vacuum apparatus. What instruments will be no go in an outgassing woodensat?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Outgassing?

      See also "The Wooden Spaceships" by Bob Shaw.

      1. Sceptic Tank Silver badge

        Re: Outgassing?

        Bob Saw

    2. lglethal Silver badge
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      Re: Outgassing?

      This was my thought as well. You would never be able to make use of any optical device due to the outgassing components, that include star sensors for positioning, so it would be very limited in use cases. Unless of course they have found some way to reduce/prevent the outgassing. But it's a hard enough topic with known materials, let alone wood!

      1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

        Re: Outgassing?

        Unless of course they have found some way to reduce/prevent the outgassing
        That comes next; this mission is intended to inform an understanding of the behaviour of the materials.
        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: Outgassing?

          Outgassing can be studied to a large extent on the ground

          A cow-orker who operates vacuum chambers in a space science facility I worked at was fairly dismissive of these proosals and made it clear that "over his dead body" would they go anywhere near his test chambers due to the contamination issues they posed

  10. Sceptic Tank Silver badge
    Pirate

    Using Orion to find Uranus

    Maybe Boeing could construct the Orion module out of wood – would kind of resemble a coffin for those unfortunate enough to have to fly in it.

  11. Ken Y-N
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    Chisel help awl Japanese space endevours

    It'll spruce up their cata-log-ue once others cedar successes.

  12. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

    "The 10cm long wood panels used in the constructions were assembled using a Japanese wood joinery method called "Blind Miter Dovetail Joint.""

    Mitre.

    Don't argue. It's spelled the British way, or it's spelled wrong. There are no exceptions.

  13. Nerf Herder
    Coat

    We've got wood!

    Welcome to the 300-mile high club.

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