The Winter Meetings might be done, but the big trades aren’t. The Yankees and Brewers on Friday agreed to a trade sending star closer Devin Williams to New York in exchange for left-hander Nestor Cortes, infield prospect Caleb Durbin and a reported $2MM in cash.
Both Williams and Cortes are entering their final seasons of club control, and both were projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $7.7MM in 2025. Milwaukee will still come out ahead a couple million dollars, which is of some moderate note, as the Brewers are working on an extremely tight budget this winter. Durbin, meanwhile, is a second baseman with experience at the hot corner. He was added to the Yankees’ 40-man roster ahead of the Rule 5 protection deadline and is likely to slot in at second or third base in 2025, with one of Brice Turang or Joey Ortiz moving to shortstop in place of Willy Adames, who signed with the Giants as a free agent.
Williams, 30, is one of the game’s elite relievers. The 2020 National League Rookie of the Year, he boasts a career 1.83 earned run average with 68 saves, 60 holds, a 39.4% strikeout rate and 48.1% ground-ball rate in his big league career. Command has been an issue at times (11.8% walk rate), but Williams’ utterly devastating changeup — nicknamed the “Airbender” — is one of the most dominant pitches in the entire sport. He’s finished off 2299 big league plate appearances with that pitch, during which opponents have posted a comically feeble .139/.223/.200. The pitch boasts a preposterous 23% swinging-strike rate.
Among pitchers with at least 200 innings pitched since 2019, Emmanuel Clase (1.67) is the only pitcher with a better ERA than Williams’ 1.83 mark. No other pitcher is within even 40 points. (Jacob deGrom is next, at 2.24.) In that same time, only Josh Hader and Edwin Diaz have posted higher strikeout rates than Williams’ 39.4%. Only Gerrit Cole has a higher mark in terms of win probability added. Hader is second in WPA among relievers, but his 12.46 mark isn’t close to Williams’ 14.24. Sports Info Solutions credits Williams’ changeup as far and away the most valuable pitch of its type in the majors.
Dominant as Williams has been, he’ll come to the Yankees with some recent injury concerns. A stress fracture in his lower back caused the right-hander to miss the first four months of the 2024 season. Williams wasn’t activated for his 2024 debut until July 28. Once healthy, he generally looked like his dominant self, rattling off 21 2/3 innings with a microscopic 1.25 ERA, a massive 43.2% strikeout rate and an unsightly 12.5% walk rate (that was largely mitigated by his near-unparalleled ability to rack up strikeouts). Of course, the lasting memory for many fans will unfortunately be the backbreaking three-run homer that Williams surrendered to Pete Alonso in Milwaukee’s NLDS loss to the Mets.
Similarly, one of Cortes’ final moments as a Yankee is one he’d like to forget. The left-hander served up a walk-off grand slam to Freddie Freeman in Game 1 of the World Series — the first of four Gibson-esque home runs the hobbled L.A. first baseman swatted en route to World Series MVP honors. As with Williams, there are some notable 2024 health concerns; Cortes gutted his way through a late-season flexor strain to return to the Yankees in the postseason. Cortes was also limited to 12 starts in 2023, thanks to a strain in his rotator cuff. Clearly, both clubs are satisfied with the medical reports on the veterans they’re acquiring.
Cortes, who just turned 30, has been a rock-solid mid-rotation arm when healthy in recent seasons. Dating back to his 2021 breakout with the Yankees, he’s pitched 489 innings with a 3.33 ERA, 25.2% strikeout rate and 6.2% walk rate. The ERA is skewed by the 4.97 mark he logged in ’23 when dealing with that shoulder strain, but Cortes has been quite effective in three of the past four seasons.
In 2024, Cortes pitched a career-high 174 1/3 innings while sitting a career-best 92.1 mph with his four-seamer. The lefty fanned 22.8% of his opponents and notched a career-best 5.5% walk rate. If he can deliver anything close to that, the Brewers will surely be thrilled. Adding to the rotation was a significant need for the Brewers this offseason, but they’ve been operating with minimal resources as they try to find creative ways to do so.
Cortes will give Milwaukee an experienced arm to slot in behind Freddy Peralta, Brandon Woodruff (returning from 2023 shoulder surgery), Aaron Civale and diamond-in-the-rough Tobias Myers. The Brewers also have lefties Aaron Ashby and DL Hall as rotation candidates, plus young righties Carlos Rodriguez, Logan Henderson and Chad Patrick on the 40-man roster but likely ticketed for Triple-A.
With a full, healthy season, there’s a chance Cortes is a more valuable pitcher on the whole than Williams. He’s been worth about 10 wins above replacement over the past four seasons, per both Baseball-Reference and FanGraphs (even when accounting for his poor showing in an injury-marred 2023 season). For the Yankees, however, he was no more than sixth or seventh on the depth chart — not with Gerrit Cole, Max Fried, Carlos Rodon, Luis Gil, Clarke Schmidt and Marcus Stroman all on the roster.
For the Yankees, the deal is about not only beefing up their bullpen during the regular season but more specifically about bolstering their postseason roster, where Williams would be a focal piece and Cortes would be relegated to a lower-leverage relief role. In that sense, there are some parallels with the 2022 Jordan Montgomery/Harrison Bader swap: ship out a starter who’s not in the playoff rotation in exchange for someone who’ll have greater impact on postseason results. In the end, the trade involves both teams dealing from areas of strength.
The Milwaukee bullpen, after all, was one of the best in baseball last season — even in a year where Williams missed two-thirds of the year. The Brewers’ collective 3.11 bullpen ERA ranked second in the sport, and they were top-10 in terms of FIP (3.78, seventh), walk rate (8.3%, ninth) and K-BB% (15.5, tenth). With Williams out of the picture, they’ll likely look to Trevor Megill (2.72 ERA, 27.3 K%), Joel Payamps (3.05 ERA, 25.1 K%) and Bryan Hudson (1.73 ERA, 26.8 K%) for late-inning work. The previously mentioned Ashby (1.37 ERA, 36.8 K%, 19 1/3 innings) and Hall (3.00 ERA, 26.5 K%, 12 innings) also looked impressive when working as relievers.
The other major piece of the puzzle for the Brewers, of course, is the 24-year-old Durbin. Milwaukee lost Adames to free agency this offseason and has been in search of infield help but with scant money to spend. Durbin could slot in at second or third base, with one of Ortiz or Turang sliding over to shortstop. He could also simply give the Brewers a versatile utility option with intriguing contact skills and speed.
Durbin, who came to the Yankees from the Braves in exchange for Lucas Luetge, spent the bulk of the 2024 season in Triple-A Scranton Wilkes/Barre. He missed more than two months after being hit by a pitch on the wrist in May, but when he was healthy he was quite impressive. An infielder from the Altuve mold, Durbin is listed at just 5’6″ but nevertheless hit .287/.396/.471 (129 wRC+) with 10 homers and 31 stolen bases in 82 Triple-A games (375 plate appearances). He walked more than he struck out, drawing a free pass in 12.5% of his plate appearances versus a 9.9% strikeout rate.
With Durbin having missed a notable chunk of the season, the Yankees sent him to the Arizona Fall League to pick up some extra reps. He thrived there, hitting .312/.427/.548 with another five home runs and an AFL-record 29 stolen bases in 24 games (117 plate appearances). As he did in Triple-A, Durbin recorded more walks (17) than strikeouts (six).
Durbin has yet to take a single big league plate appearance, but the success he’s had in Triple-A and in the Arizona Fall League — coupled with the Brewers’ needs in the infield — give him a legitimate chance to break camp with the club. He might need to earn his way into a starting gig this spring, and his ultimate role will depend on any subsequent moves the Brewers make, but he’s very clearly an option to help the club in 2025. As it stands, he’s controllable through at least the 2030 season.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the Yankees and Brewers were finalizing a Williams trade. Will Sammon of The Athletic reported that the deal was in place. Robert Murray of FanSided first reported that Cortes was in the deal. Durbin’s inclusion was first reported by Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Bryan Hoch of MLB.com reported that there was cash in the deal, and Nightengale chimed in with the exact amount.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
That stinks
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Has to be a Yankees’ team top ten prospect accompanying Nestor Cortes. Just has to be.
cwizzy6
Agreed. Too many other suitors to be limited to just Cortes here.
dray16
how about one that’s not even in their top 30? because that’s what you got…
Fever Pitch Guy
dray – Safe to say this is a great trade for the Yankees.
Let’s see if my team can grab a closer now, without giving up Anthony or Campbell.
MeowMeow
(John Henry voice) What do you mean, we got Chapman!
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Dray
He’s only been in the Yanks system for 1 year. he slashed .275/.388/.451 with more walks than k’s 53/46, 10 hrs and 31 of 35 SB. He also had a great AZ fall league with a .976 OPS, 17/9 Bb/k and 29/30 SB. He’s absolutely going to be a top 100 guy next year. Atlanta drafted him in 2021 and the Yanks did a minor league trade in winter 2023.
Fever Pitch Guy
MeowMeow (and I know what that is) – The dynamics between Chapman and Hendriks will be quite interesting!
MeowMeow
Not sure what your parenthetical is getting at but Chapman and Hendricks could be a great setup core… Slaten too. The three of them could maybe handle innings 7-9 collectively but I would like a more closery-feeling closer for sure.
Frenchredsox
Why ? No disrespect, but are “our” Red Sox guaranteed to win enough games (or be close enough) to trade for a Top line closer and lose even more prospects (with the club control). If that was the plan they simply should have resigned on a 2 year deal the one they had.
Most pressing question is do they play the Burnes – Sasaki sweepstakes Full on or switch to a 4/5 SP
MeowMeow
French: for me it’s more exhaustion from watching this year’s bullpen blow so many games. I don’t really know what’s really out there in terms of affordable (either $$ or prospect capital) closers, but the current group of late-inning candidates all have serious question marks to go with their high ceilings. But getting another SP essentially moves a Whitlock or a Criswell to the bullpen, which does make the relief picture look a little better to me. Agree that I really want to see them get Burnes still.
HighOnPineTar
FPG – I think Hendricks will return to being a great closer this year.
Williams would have been nice to get, but if the Red Sox acquire another SP instead, then their bullpen is going to be filled with some decent arms and several long relief inning eaters
Yankeepride88
I love Liam, but he will be 36 coming off TJ. I would assume he would be solid, but probably no different than what Kenley gave you in 2024.
aspenner27
No reliever is worth either one.
deweybelongsinthehall
Updated article shows Durbin is going to the Brewers. I’ll let Yankee fans advise on how good he can be but I recently read a comparison to Predroia. If true, a more fair trade given Williams is only a rental.
Chris Koch
Too old a prospect to get top 100.
Fever Pitch Guy
Meow – I totally agree, if the Red Sox truly intend to contend next year they need a dominant closer and neither Chapman nor Hendriks can be relied upon at this point.
What I was getting at is I think there’s a decent possibility Liam (who is known to be quite vocal) could end up being unhappy if he’s not the closer, especially if he pitches well in ST, and double especially if management promised him the closer job when they signed him.
They are both former closers with lots of closing experience, and both are on one-year contracts. They know closers get paid a bit more than setup guys.
Fever Pitch Guy
French – If the Sox truly intend to contend next year, which is what they’ve said now (and I know that doesn’t mean squat), then they absolutely need a legit closer. Chapman replaces Booser/Joely, Hendriks replaces Martin, but they need to replace Kenley with a stud.
I’d love for them to sign Tanner Scott, and they certainly have the payroll space to do so, but if not they would likely need to trade for a legit closer. Helsley is looking like he won’t be traded before the trade deadline.
Of course they could always go with a closer by committee, but that didn’t work out too well last time.
Money is not a factor for Sasaki, but sure they will try to sign him. I think they keep around Yoshida for that exact purpose, trying to sign Sasaki.
I don’t believe the Sox will outbid others for Burnes, but I wouldn’t rule it entirely out. Time will tell.
Baseballisthebest
Google “Cashman on Durbin”. You will find articles quoting the Yankees GM saying that Durbin was the likely OD 2B.
Fever Pitch Guy
Meow – Right you are about this year’s bullpen, it was nightmarish especially in the second half. Cora’s bullpen management pretty much requires every reliever is solid because he loves to use lots of relievers in a game for matchups.
Fever Pitch Guy
High – I hope you’re right about Liam, not just for the team’s sake but it would be a fantastic comeback story for him personally.
It won’t be easy though. He’s basically been out of baseball for 2 years now, and with everything his body has gone through over the years it won’t be easy to fully recover at his age. Time will tell.
Fever Pitch Guy
Yankee – I would be very, very happy if Liam provided what Kenley did. I think that’s a big ask though.
YourDreamGM
Durbin stats are amazing. Analytics tell a different story though. I know most you guys still love era and average. I get it. How about common sense. Cashman has been employed how long? If this Durbin was so good why trade for Jazz? Why wasn’t he even called up for utility? Why would you trade 6 or 7 years of him for 1 year? Cashman could be wrong but it doesn’t happen often. He knows his system.
Mad Hatter
I kind of thought Durbin might be the starting 2b for the Yanks next season. The kid is good.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream; AA knows his system well too. He dealt Durbin to the Yanks in 2022 for Lucas Leutge. Terrible deal for the Braves as Leutge was awful before finally being released. Shows that AA saw no future for Durbin w/the Braves.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yanks
It’s not just his batting average. It’s his high walk rate, low k rate, elite be stealing and ability to stick at 2b
He also knew Mike Kings and Thorpe’s annuity but traded them too. I get it. You have to give to get but I think Cortez for Williams and a lower prospect was fair. Cortez pitched 175 innings of sub 4 era/fip. That’s extremely valuable considering what lesser pitchers are getting in FA. If there’s not a corresponding move for a 3b or 2b then I have to wonder.
PS: Jazz was moved to 3b from day 1. Remember, they had Torres starting at 2b when they acquired Jazz so they’re was no reason to call up Durbin last year.
Fernando P
@Knicks – More than one year with the Yankees. He wasn’t on the Top 30 at MLB but that list hasn’t been updated. Have to think he was a Top 30 on the 2025 list.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Fernando
Two years. Traded from Atl. Combined 79 walks vs. 58 ks and 69 sb vs. 12 cs. obp near .400. Time will tell but if love to see him hitting 2nd behind Jazz and ahead of Judge.
BBSmoke
That was the comparison I’ve heard used before. Hearing him described in the same vein as DP had me really excited to see him at 2nd. Even as a Yankees fan I always appreciated Dustin’s hard-nosed play.
BBSmoke
Durbin included is tough to swallow. I’d heard him compared to Pedroia so was excited to see him at 2nd. Oh well…
Fernando P
@Knicks – Was looking forward to him bringing speed and contact abilities to the team. And someone that scraps and plays defense at 2b.
But man, real excited for Williams. It didn’t cost us any of the top end prospects which is a coup for Cashman.
dugmet
He’s a nice little player but he’s not going to ever be a top 100 prospect.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Dugmet
I bet you he’ll be one for 2025.
Baseballisthebest
Cashman said Durbin was the odds on favorite to be the starting 2B in 2025.
Analytics tell the story of a good defensive player that can play 5 positions and excels at 2B. A player with a great eye at the plate who walks more than he strikes out and exceptional speed. He also has some pop having hit to a .471 SLG in a pitchers league in AAA.
JoeBrady
more exhaustion from watching this year’s bullpen blow so many games.
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Jansen was 27-31. Closer wasn’t really our problem.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Knicks
One thing may stop him from being a Top 100 for long next year – Brewers may have him on active roster on opening day.
Even if he is not a top 100 guy, he clearly is an asset for the Brewers.
And Nestor would have always been remembered for Freddie Freeman hitting a walk-off grand slam home run during the 10th inning in Game 1 of the baseball World Series against the New York Yankees, on Friday, Oct. 25, 2024.
Shawnpe
Indeed. I categorically despise this move. Cortes will be in TJ surgery before the trading deadline next season. This is the wettest possible outcome of a DW trade.
What don’t we know that would possibly make this a positive fire Milwaukee? This is really messed up.
YourDreamGM
A lot of these teams overvalue position flexibility. That’s my guess.
His stats are impressive. Maybe they think they transfer to mlb.
Yankees would have traded half a dozen of these guys for Williams.
uvmfiji
What year is this???
slider32
All GMs make mistakes on players and so do scouts! The good GMs are the ones that are in the playoffs every year in my mind.
slider32
Durbin is 24, Pedroia was 22 when he came up and he was good right away. There are some good comparisons to him. Yanks have depth at second with Jazz, DJ, Vivas, and Peraza. Now Cashman got his closer filling 1b and CF will be next on the list. Bellinger is fit here!
Sterlingadingadong
Good shipping Nester but, Durbin? Come on! Thought he had a chance at 2b this year-
Pete'sView
Good deal for the Brewers. Durbin looks to be a quality prospect and Cortes fits into Milwaukee’s rotation.
mlbnyyfan
I hope torres is not coming back now. Please no no no.
larkraxm
Calm down. Torres is not coming back.
johnrealtime
Seems like a win for both sides. Yanks have a great closer and the Brewers can replace him with Devin 2.0 Craig Yoho.
I’d put money on him being the closer by season’s end
Fernando P
@Troll – Yankees have success finding bullpen arms. Holmes was a find but he blew 13 leads. Williams is on a whole other level.
HopefulTwinsFan
Necessary move for Yankees with the heavy loss of bullpen depth this winter.
desertbull
This should mean Tucker the Cubs to follow. The NYY farm system is already mid.
Joe says...
Cortez isn’t a prospect and they did the right thing by selling high on Durbin. Where this will affect the Yankees on a Tucker trade is starting pitching. They’re less likely to trade Gil now.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Joe
Why do you think it’s a good idea to trade Durbin? Why “sell high”? He might be the real deal. To me this is a drastic overpay and I’m hoping more is coming the Yanks way. Why trade 1 year of a good SP for 1 year of a reliever AND throw in one of your best prospects who Cashman mentioned had a chance to win the starting job at 2b in spring training? They’re must be another move coming because we still have a gaping hole at 2b.
I’m assuming there’s a deal coming for a 3b? Maybe Bregman or maybe Arraez and they move Jazz to 2b? Otherwise, I can’t see them moving Durbin. Still an overpay.
Superstar Prospect Wander Javier
I will never understand why New York fans vastly overinflated the abilities of all their prospects. Durbin is a 5’6″ 25 year old who can hit but not for any power and is limited to 2B defensively. Every organization has one of those. Most are better than he is.
LordD99
The Yankees have been hyping Durbin simply to trade him. Low exit velocity and hard hit rate. Mediocre defender. Already 25. He’s a major leaguer, but more a bench piece.
kevnames42
@knickscavs have you not been paying attention to the Yanks for the past decade? The only position player prospect who has really panned out was Judge. This was a fleece. Durbin will most likely end up being a utility guy
Lilscrappy
It’s actually Cashman who hypes them up and the fans buy it. Jesus Montero being the most egregious example of all time. Generating those narratives to his advantage is probably the one thing Cashman is still good at.
kevnames42
I suppose we could count Wells too (too early to call), but everyone else either had only a little success or underperformed
Bochys Retirement Fund
KnicksFan –
Why sell high on a 5’6 prospect who has never played in the majors for arguably a top 3 lights out reliever after what happened with Holmes? I think the priorities make sense.
Prospects are just prospects everyone. You will take proven talent over assumed talent any day.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Super
Who’s “badly over inflating ” anyone?. His stats speak for itself. You think the Brewers just view him the way you do nectar they just traded their all start closer for him and a guy that’s also a FA next year.
How many guys the Brewers have in their organization jag his hit tool, SB ability and walk rate at AA/AAA last year?
gcg27
The ankles are getting a third baseman… need defensive star with Fried being a ground ball pitcher and Chizolm ain’t it
KnicksFanCavsFan
@lord
He has just drafted in 2022 or of college. It’s not like he’s being lingering in the farm for 8 years. They traded for him from Atlanta last year.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Kev
Torres, Austin Wells, Kyle Higgy, Volpe, Gary Sanchez, and Dominguez and Rice knocking on the door.
Joe says...
Knicksfan one of Cashman’s biggest problems has been to not recognize the right time to move a player. He had chances to trade Frazier, Sanchez and several others but did a poor job of evaluating them and thinking they were going to be better than they actually were. Durbin had an excellent AFL but he’s undersized and getting older. Cashman finally did the right thing this time.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Lil
so Cashman writes the prospect rankings? I bet Durbin will be listed as a top 75 prospect in 2025.
Look, I’m but her to defend our prospect but to think a GM can influence outside “experts” to value their prospects is preposterous. This isn’t me OFFERING a trade proposal that YOU think is absurd. The deal is DONE and the Brewers WANTED Durbin. So I’m OBVIOUSLY not the only one that things he might be legit.
Baseballisthebest
Durbin played 2B, SS, 3B, LF, & CF last season. He hit 10 HR for the AAA RailRiders in 310 AB this year for a .471 slg and added 5 more HR in the Arizona Fall League. He is not bereft of power. Height has little to do with being a good baseball player. Altuve might be 5’4″ with his cleats on.
Just a few days ago Cashman said he was the favorite to win the starting 2B job in 2025 with the Yankees so he is a good player.
Not sure what you are talking about.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@KnicksFanCavsFan
Durbin is 5’6″ and doesn’t hit the ball hard with poor exit velo in AAA. I see him more as a young IKF. I never bought Cashman’s spiel about him with a chance to win the 2B job. Same goes for JDom which is why he upped Grisham so quickly. He’ll probably start the year in AAA.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Bochy
Because Cortez is a SP that threw 175 IP with a 3.77/3.88 ERA/FIP in a market emerge pitchers like that are getting paid? Maybe because we currently still have a gaping holes at either 2b or 3b depending on where they play Jazz? From an organizational standpoint, I don’t like the inclusion of Durbin UNLESS that’s a corresponding move pending to address the situation like perhaps, signing Bregman or trading for Arraez?
Baseballisthebest
Cortes is not a prospect. He is a middle of the rotation starter. Durbin was slotted to be Yankees OD starter at 2B next season according to their GM.
Troutahni
Call me crazy, Chisolm is nowhere near Soto, but having him on the roster softens the blow of losing him. Jazz’s age, athleticism, his speed and the fact that he bats lefthanded means he can impact the game just as much as Soto. If Jazz can make up 1/2 the difference with batting average against LHPs better than his career norms, the Yankees will be in great shape, especially when they face division oppenents, such as Boston and Tampa Bay. Will Jazz leadoff? I would bat him right in front of Judge in order to get him more pitches to hit. Jazz has the power to take advantage of Yankee Stadium’s leftfield shallow porch.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Lil
So Cashman influences scouts, GMs and writers to inflate their opinions? Reasons, I ask is because every publication, knowing he likely would move from C, had him ranked as a top 10 prospect and every single GM demanded him in every trade scenario from trying to acquire Cliff Lee, Roy Holiday, etc. Yall need to stop. Any GM or writer influenced by what Cashman days about his own prospect needs to be fired.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@gc
Jazz need a full offse to feel comfortable by he had a positive dWar rating at the position.
Baseballisthebest
Joe, Cashman said Durbin was your starting 2B next season. Height doesn’t matter at all in baseball and he’s in his 4th year out of college at 25, not 35.
Cashman got his closer who is a free agent after this year. Now he will go sign a 3B like Bregman and move Chisholm to 2B.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Joe
Newsflash, everyone gets older. However, any team should only be concerned with the next six years. Durbin might turn out to be nothing special but right now, he’s only 25, has shown good bat to ball skills, elite awareness of the strike zone and ability to take a walk, and elite SB potential. He’s not a guy lingering in the minors for 7 years. He was drafted out of college by Atlanta in 2021 which means he’s been in the minors for 3 years. I don’t get the “undersized”. He’s barrel chested and string from what I’ve heard. Newsflash Pedro’s, Dominguez and Altuve are also short guys. He yall do you have to be to play 2b anyway? If he debuts in 2025 then you have him from age 25 to 30. That’s all anyone should be concerned with.
larkraxm
What Cashman and the Yankees are good at is not exposing prospects at the big league level. This isn’t 1973. Prospects are evaluated, ranked, and graded by outside independent agencies using advanced metrics. In addition, every team has their own scouts that are evaluating their own players and every other team’s players. There is no hype man talking the other teams into over valuing Yankee prospects like a mall kiosk cell phone salesman. That is a tired, lazy narrative.
luclusciano
Superstar – all teams vastly overinflated the abilities of prospects, Yankees fans just see more top prospects traded. And they generally grade out well over time.
I do agree though, the sureness of a professional grade reliever is better than the “possibility” in years to come.
luclusciano
@baseballisthebest – was he? Pretty sure Oswald or Oswaldo would get that call before Durbin.
larkraxm
I’m not sure which fans are inflating prospects, but the Yankees have four guys in their minor league system better than Durbin. For crying out loud, Oswaldo Cabrera is better than Durbin.
Joe says...
Knicksfan when someone says a prospect is old it means that he isn’t likely to be good, not that age has caught up to him. He’s spent awhile in the minors and has not been ranked high at all. He had a decent year this past season and had a great AFL. That’s not a reason to be super excited.
larkraxm
Anthony Volpe won a gold glove even though he still has room to improve at the plate, he is not the worst short stop in the AL by a long shot.
YourDreamGM
If you guys are impressed with Durbins stats take a look at Diego Castillo. Then, make sure you are sitting down, have 911 dialed ready to call just in case, and take a look at Hoy Park. Too bad Milwaukee wasn’t trading then. Yankees could have got Williams and Burnes for Park.
Joe says...
I remember when the Yankees didn’t call up Park when there was a need and fans lost their minds.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@lark
not sure how you can say that. He hasn’t displayed the speed, bat to ball or walk rate in the minors that Durbin has shown the last two years.
YourDreamGM
Kept starting Odor! Durbin is same thing. Never got the call up. Traded for Jazz. No one is perfect but Yankees got a heck of a analytics team. I think fans need to have more trust in Cashman. He might do some head scratching spending on free agents but knows his prospects pretty well.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Joe
No when they say they’re old they mean he’s old for the minors and that they’re playing against younger kids who aren’t as developed. In the case of Durbin he hasn’t “silent awhile” in the minors. He was drafted in 2031 by the Braves and the Yanks acquired him in 2023. We have go to look past prospect lists. What prospect lists did Tons of prospects have become good major leaguers without being on a list although I bet he’ll debuted on the top 75 this year. He’s had a great 2023-2024 in non power categories.
stymeedone
Players that walk more than they strike out are rare. Few organizations have them. Of those that do, few are able to turn that walk into a double at the success rate Durbin has. He looks like a true leadoff hitter! Now that’s rare!!!
stymeedone
Another guy who doesn’t hit the ball hard is Luis Arraez. All he does is win batting titles.
larkraxm
I didn’t see the Durbin Luis Arraez comps. I’m sure Arraez is getting ready to turn over his batting titles now!
larkraxm
I say that because Cabrera spent the last two seasons on the Yankees roster, and Durbin put up his numbers in Scranton.
Pads Fans
YBC, Not seeing where you get this poor exit velo stuff from. He hit 10 HR, 23 doubles, and 2 triples in 310 AB at AAA. His .471 slg says he hits the ball decently. His 129 wRC+ and 29 SB is also really, really good.
Milwaukee fans are saying he will start at 2B, much like Cashman said he would start at 2B for the Yankees. When I saw him in the AFL he was hitting the ball hard and he is insanely fast. In 24 games in AZ he had 29 SB.
Here is what Aaron Boone said about Durbin
“I think he’s a stud, frankly,” Yankees manager Aaron Boone said last month. “Great bat-to-ball [skill], elite ability on the bases as a base stealer, a good defender in the middle of the diamond at second base. He’s really started over the last year-plus to create some position flexibility, too. … Really competitive, kind of that hard-nosed, tough player.”
Cashman said he was the odds on favorite to be Yankees 2B on opening day and Boone said that about him plus the stats point to a guy that is going to be a good MLB player.
GriffGC
Cortes had a higher WAR than Williams in three of the last four years. Cortes had a 2.6 ERA in his final 7 starts in 2024. Cortes has THE SAME CAREER WHIP AS MAX FRIED. They had near identical seasons in 2022! Certainly Fried is the stronger pitcher but why would you radically overpay for one and so carelessly part with the other… for ONE YEAR of a Closer.
Not only that, the Durban kid could be good. He steals bases, plays a bunch of positions, hit .867 in AAA (better than Volpe ever hit). Goodness, why wouldn’t you want him over the chump they had playing LF in the playoffs?!
Cashmen is so cooked
Joe says...
Griff Cortez is a starter and Williams is a reliever. Cortez better have a higher WAR or there is a serious problem.
GriffGC
Exactly. SP matter more to the outcome of games than RPs because they pitch more.
GriffGC
I don’t put much stock in what Boone says about his players but you can’t argue with the numbers.
And thing holding last year’s Yankees back was lack of depth at the bottom of the order and base running, etc. It just doesn’t make sense to part with a guy who’s a 50/50 to be an above average position player on the cheap for 5 years for ONE season of 30 year old RP.
Cashman is really lost.
kevnames42
@knickscavs – Torres is an abominable defensive player and baserunner. Decent hitter (sometimes). I mentioned Wells is good in a follow-up, but he’s barely had a year under his belt. Higgy is a backup catcher. Volpe is good defensively and a pretty good baserunner, but hasn’t shown much with the bat in 2 years. Sanchez had a good 2 years then fell off a cliff, always was bad defensively. Dominguez I have high hopes for. Rice doesn’t really look like a starter to me, probably another backup catcher/1B
YourDreamGM
Durbin a gym rat!!!!
Shawnpe
This is the second coming of the Luis Urias trade. Brewers need to flip Cortes ASAP. That dude is hurt, and shouldn’t have been pitching in the post season. Trade him so someone else can pay for his TJ surgery.
Baseballisthebest
Lord, seriously? Fans may not know who players like Durbin is, but other teams do have scouts. They know exactly who he is and how he plays. Especially a player who spent the year in AAA and 2 years in the prospect showcase called the Arizona Fall League. Hype doesn’t matter even a little.
He grades out 55/40/70/45/55 for hit/power/speed/arm/field. A 45 FV overall.
That might be a utility player, but it’s a MLB utility player and all teams need them.
For now the Yankees were and the Brewers are looking at him as the starting 2B.
larkraxm
The Yankees would not have traded him if they were planning on starting him at 2nd base this year. They have bigger plans and equivalent prospects in their system if the plan is to go cheap at 2nd base. I think they will probably add a 3rd baseman and move Jazz to 2nd which blocks Durbin anyway.
Pads Fans
Its incredible to me that fans actually think that other teams don’t scout prospects in the minor leagues or that most games are not available via streaming so they can watch them in game situations anytime.
While fans don’t have access to it yet, StatCast does record data in the minor leagues. Especially in the upper levels and in spring training facilities.
Baseball dude
Keep dreaming about Tucker. Ain’t happening. All hype!!
dano62
Making Jones likely the centre of an Astros pitch now… better to focus on the Cubs IMO
Blue Baron
Joe says: Not an issue. Tucker is being traded to the Cubs.
mlbnyyfan
Bregman next. Jazz to 2B. Profar to LF. Walker 1B or Bellinger. Yankees can’t trade Gil now for Tucker
jerseyjohn
Skip Bregman and Profar. Keep Jazz at 3rd, fill 2nd internally and get Bellinger and Walker. YS will ruin Bregman’s already fading power and he’s probably getting 6-7 years.
Baseballisthebest
Jerseyjohn, the Yankees just traded the guy their GM said would start at 2B next season. More moves are coming.
jerseyjohn
Baseballis: Agreed. But hopefully they’re not moves that saddle us with shot players (Arendo) or guys not Ideally suited for the stadium who will command 7+ year deals.
luclusciano
I know you keep saying this bballbest, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they hyped this prospect and then traded him
Baseballisthebest
Your tin hat is calling you. The Brewers are saying that Durbin most likely will start at 2B with Turang moving to SS. Are you saying the Yankees hype is making another team play him? That other teams have zero scouts and never watch film on players? Please, we are not stupid. Matt Arnold knew what he was getting in trade.
Chris Koch
Murphy said Turang is staying at 2b.
Pads Fans
Interesting. Arnold said at the Winter Meetings that they would see what happens as the offseason progresses, what additions they make to the roster, but that in spring training either Turang or Ortiz would be moving to SS in 2025.
I wonder who makes those decisions in Milwaukee.
Chris Koch
You’re right that Turang is an option now again at SS. Murphy had previously mentioned Turang was to stay at 2b. I think now with his excitement on getting Durbin, he’s more willing to play Turang at his natural SS position. Ortiz played a solid 3b last season-something you said in other comment the team didn’t have good options at. Maybe Murphy kind of tipped his hand when he called Turang his 2b and the team is out there looking for another middle infielder with flexibility to play 2nd-ss-3b.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@mlb
Not for nothin’…I just got a chubby. You literally just named my wish list with Belli over Walker tho. Another option would be if the Yanks traded for Arraez to play 2b and keep Jazz at 3b.
Jazz
Arraez
Judge
In that lineup Jazz should be at 2b or 3b every time Judge comes to bat. They should score at least 1 run every time Jazz gets on base with less that 2 outs.
slider32
Gil still on the table, Cashman wheeling and dealing!
larkraxm
The Astros didn’t want Cortes or Durbin. They want Gil. Which probably means Tucker to Cubs and Bellinger to Yankees.
Keena
I’d LOVE to have Bellinger on the Yankees. Make it happen, Cashman!
AaronJudgeMVP29
Damn… Nice!
PTkirk
Nestor cortes is part of the return hahaha
robert-5
Shocked they landed a top closer for a guy they’ve been begging to unload for about a year now! Great trade by Cashman but I’ll admit I know nothing about this prospect.
YourDreamGM
Don’t need to know anything about him. They had him last year and he was mlb ready and they never called him. Didn’t want to destroy his value. Traded for Jazz instead. Gave 7 years of him for 1 year. Cashman thinks absolutely nothing of him.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
They had Torres at 2b and Durbin was just getting it going at AAA. Plus Hazz is a good ball player that they got for very little and also play the OF so he wasn’t blocking anyone.
case
Brewers don’t have top tier money to spend in the FA market, a solid stable of starters is the sort of move that keeps getting them to the post season.
Shawnpe
They have routinely gotten ten times more value than this in their high profile trades of FA to be. This is the worst trade of this GM’s tenure.
bdpecore
Shawnpe, how can you be so sure this trade is the worst of Arnold’s tenure before any of the players involved have taken the field for their new teams? Fans tend to have knee-jerk reactions to trades since they are only going off of scouting reports and the analysis of reporters.
I remember how Brewers fans were freaking out when they cut Lamet a few days after trading for him. Looking back now, the Brewers traded Ruiz for Contreras and Gasser was on the verge of breaking the starting rotation before his season ending surgery. Even if Gasser doesn’t pan out, trading 1.5 years of Hader for 5 years of Contreras is a win for Milwaukee. Especially when you consider Williams has put up better numbers than Hader since the trade.
alproof
When are the Mets gonna sign a good pitcher? We need at least four.
padam
I don’t think they will. Trade for one, yes, but sign someone like Burns I don’t think so. Stearns seems to shy away from long term pitcher contracts via free agency, and rightfully so. If he can get another Manaea and Severino then he’d be fine with it while he builds the offense that takes the field everyday. Crochett is gone, but I’m sure the asking price was too steep for a TJS candidate. I wouldn’t be surprised if he does something with the Mariners, Marlins, or even the Royals.
YourDreamGM
Already signed 2. Holmes Montas. Lots of 10 to 20 million guys still out there they can sign. They are set. Stearns with unlimited resources, no need to worry.
Doug
Didn’t he say GOOD pitchers? If they sign Burnes and deal for Castillo, you might have something.
YourDreamGM
Those are good pitchers. Just lik the ones they made playoffs with last year. Why would they waste 200m on Burnes?
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets literally sold 2 minor league teams to pay 1 dude. The pitchers can wait.
Flyby
@von
to be honest think they probably sold a major league team or two for that 1 dude 🙂
rct
@Von: You don’t really believe that, do you? Diamond has been overpaying to buy up MiLB teams for a while now and you can now add the Mets to the list. Braves sold their teams for almost $50 million three years ago. It’s just a good business move as minor league teams do not make a lot of money.
VonPurpleHayes
Haha. No I’m making a joke about the ridiculousness of that contract. And the idea that an impatient Mets fan is complaining about not making moves when they made the biggest splash of the offseason. All in good fun.
Flyby
@von
completely understand hence the smiley face. but even his annual salary
i think is actually higher than the A’s and Marlins payrolls combined last year which is kinda sad at the same time.
Baseballisthebest
They didn’t sell the teams to pay Soto. They sold the teams because DH is a professional organization that runs minor league teams right. This will be better for baseball development in the Mets system.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s a joke.
Baseballisthebest
The price of both teams wouldn’t pay 1 year of Soto’s salary.
Frankie Bani
Soto will pitch !!
BlueSkies_LA
Just when we thought the Brewers were going to hang onto Williams until the trade deadline.
cwizzy6
I dont really know where people got that idea to be honest. As soon as the Brewers (rightly) saved a few million declining his option I was certain they were going to deal him before arbitration hearings.
BlueSkies_LA
Here is where.
“With this much interest in the closer, there is a sense that the Brewers might wait until later in the offseason to deal Williams (if at all), since they could land a bigger return once the free agent relief market clears out.”
Cave
Nasty Nestor’s final moments with the Yankees are not enviable… LOL
J.H.
Nor was Devin Williams’ for the Brewers…
CravenMoorehead
Fresh start for both pitchers on teams that are division champions, a win win for Williams and Cortes.
J.H.
I agree, a good trade that makes sense all around. Both of these players are more valuable to their new teams than to their former teams.
Shawnpe
Except for Cortes has had elbow questions last year. He is damaged and pitched with injury in the playoffs. This will be a disaster for MKE
bdpecore
I think the Brewers’ doctors know better than us since they have access to Cortes’ medical records and we don’t. The fact Cortes was willing and able to pitch in the playoffs indicates the issue is manageable and not structual.
Furthermore, the Brewers have 11 pitchers who could be part of their rotation this season: Peralta, Civale, Myers, Cortes, Woodruff, Ashby, Hall, Misiorowski, Henderson, Patrick and Gasser.
Keena
Nestor Cortes was put into a bad spot by Boone against Freeman. As a Yankees fan, I truly appreciate all the great moments Nestor Cortes gave us over the years, and am sad to see him go. I wish him all the best.
Fever Pitch Guy
Keena – Exactly!
Boone did what other brain-dead tunnel vision managers have done, he automatically decided to bring in a lefty to face the lefty Freeman while totally oblivious to the fact Freeman is still an .804 OPS hitter against lefties.
Some managers are so idiotic with their over-reliance on L/R matchups.
Keena
Boone would be the type of manager to pull Mariano Rivera and replace him with Gabe White, to face a lefty hitter. Boone and Trashman absolutely have to go. The worst thing for the Yankees was making the World Series. It was, without any doubt, the worst Yankee team to ever make the World Series, but it gave buffoon Hal, to keep both Aaron Boone and Brian Trashman. I wish we would’ve lost in the first round to the Royals.
Pads Fans
He also ignored the fact that Freeman has a 90.7 mph exit velocity against LHP 4-seam FB. Its higher than for any other pitch from a lefty. What is Cortes’ #1 pitch? A 4-seam FB. What did Freeman crush for a GS? A 93 MPH 4-seam thigh high on the inner third. The catcher wanted it high, outside the zone, but it dropped down into Freeman’s sweet zone and got obliterated.
A manager that did not understand the how the hitters strengths would play against the pitcher’s strengths.
Should have brought in a LHP pitcher with strong sinker/slider mix with glove side fade.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – You are 100% correct! And combined with Cortes’ rustiness from not pitching, it was absolutely a recipe for disaster. Eerily similar to Freeman’s grand slam in Dodger Stadium against the Red Sox a few months earlier.
yanks2323
Yessssssss!
User 1939973770
Wow I wanted Cortes to the Astros :/
slider32
You snooze you lose!
differentbears
I’m sure the Brewers would entertain offers.
10centBeerNight
W for Cashman if its mid talent + Cortes going back
CravenMoorehead
I’m still mad about that grand slam so not dissapointed to see him leave but I wish him the best. He had a few solid years was was basically acquired for nothing.
differentbears
I’m still happy about that grand slam, so that evens it out.
CravenMoorehead
*Thanos voice*
“Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.”
superunclea
And NYY choose the contract of Devin Williams from AAAA Milwaukee. MLB structure is a joke.
gbs42
They gave up a solid starter Plus at least one prospect for him. This seems like a reasonable deal for both teams that are trying to win in 2025.
Shawnpe
No it doesn’t lol
myaccount2
The Milwaukee pitching machine will probably have Nestor being a #2 plus they get Durbin for one year of Williams. I prefer Milwaukee’s side of this.
ctguy
I guess you haven’t seen Nestor pitch recently. He was really good several years ago. Not so much since then.
gbs42
ctguy,
You mean the guy who had a 3.77 ERA last year?
ctguy
Yes, the same one that gave up the grand slam to Freeman in the WS
gbs42
ctguy,
Would you like to be judged based on your worst day at work?
Also, Freeman was absolutely on fire in the World Series.
Vanilla Good
Traded for a guy that gave up a 9th inning, game losing homerun in the playoffs in his last appearance.
gbs42
Vanilla Good,
Judged a guy based on one appearance vs. his full body of work.
stand
He also got bombed in the 2023 playoffs and missed the 2021 playoffs due to breaking his hand from punching a wall
gbs42
He also has a 3.80 career ERA.
Whitecowboy
And had a mysterious broken back this spring training with no reason as to why.
gbs42
And gout, the mumps, and a rash on his inner left elbow that just won’t go away. There’s also a rumor he has cooties.
Shawnpe
Yet he’s hurt. Brewers better so an in depth physical on that elbow. Once that tendinitis starts, TJ is inevitable. I hate this return for THE best reliever in the game.
Shawnpe
Stress Fracture is not equal to broken. Big difference. And he was dominant in his return with the exception of his last inning of the playoffs.
The brewers got hosed by Cashman. It’s a joke what we got back, true damaged goods, soft tossing left (elbow), and a 14th rounder the yanks pretended, for show mind you, to think about starting . I’m going to be sick…. Bleh!
Baseballisthebest
Williams isn’t exactly the picture of health, either, as he missed half of 2024 with stress fractures (plural!) in his upper back and came back a somewhat different pitcher.
Pre-2024, Williams was wildly successful because of his “airbender” changeup and huge extension of 7.6-7.7 feet toward the plate. After his return from the back injury last year, that extension dropped to 7.3 feet.
Vanilla Good
Thank you for reiterating my point in arguing for Nestor!
bdpecore
Makes sense to trade a pitcher who gave up a grand slam in the WS for a closer who blew a save by giving up a HR to Pete Alonso which cost the Brewers the series.
I never understand why fans focus on specific plays instead of a player’s total body of work because every player comes up short in big moments.
SunnyMet
Devin Williams is one of the best closers in the game…
Abishai Aziz Al-Doory
he’s only under contract for 2025.
slider32
So is Cortes!
gcg27
Like the Yankees aren’t extending him before spring training.. lol
myaccount2
And they gave up two years of a mid-rotation starter and a viable major league IF for one year of a closer. Cortes became “expendable” with the Fried signing but they still need to address multiple position spots and conceivably don’t have a ton of money left to work with given the way they’ve operated in recent years.
gbs42
One year of Cortes.
myaccount2
My mistake then. That does change my opinion a bit as for liking the Brewers return, but I still don’t love it for the Yankees.
ohyeadam
If he were a viable major league infielder the Yankees could’ve kept him as they need multiple infielders
Baseballisthebest
Cashman said he was the odds on favorite to be the OD starter at 2B for the Yankees just 3 days ago. He is a viable major league infielder and will likely start for the Brewers.
gbs42
ohyea,
You have to trade talent to get talent. There’s plenty of time and opportunity to get someone else to take his spot on the roster.
larkraxm
I wonder if that public statement by Cashman wasn’t for the Brewer’s benefit? I don’t think the Yankees changed their mind about Durbin in 72 hours.
Fever Pitch Guy
Baseball – That comment from Cashman was a negotiating ploy. If a team publicly appears to greatly value a player and has big plans for them, it makes the player appear more attractive to potential trade partners.
You know how the more you tell someone they can’t have something, the more they want it? That was what Cashman did with Durbin.
JoeBrady
AAAA Milwaukee has a better record than the NYY over the past 5 years.
larkraxm
Probably because they don’t play in the AL east. Going back 5 years is fun because the unbalanced schedule skews numbers like that. I will use this stat the next time a small market billionaire cries about being too poor to compete!
Samuel
“AAAA Milwaukee has a better record than the NYY over the past 5 years.”
Joe;
Yes.
They also draft better, develop players better, and
make trades like this where fans of the teams that
got the established player are ecstatic, yet 2 years
later the trade is seen as a blowout for the Brewers
….which is one reason why they have a better record
over 5 years.
The Rays and Guardians do the same thing.
nicksc10
Brewers are gonna turn Cortes into a legit #2 again. Great trade for both teams imo.
bucsfan0004
I foresee Cortes’s goofy arm angles baffling the Pirates
los_leebos
Brewers looooooove a goofy arm angle or two
CravenMoorehead
I can definitely see Nestor thriving in that division. Yankees got a great addition who is gonna be very effective with Weaver. We’ll see if NY brings back Kahnle.
Led Hoyer
One 100 percent. This is the Brewers bread and butter.
slider32
Durbin plays like a Brewer, speed, defense, and contract!
James Midway
Brewers always seem to survive these things.
Acoss1331
Brewers always do well with these trades it seems. Hader and now Williams. They’re going to be alright as usual.
Shawnpe
Hader turned into an all star catcher (Ruiz flip) plus a good young starting pitcher (with better stuff than Cortes) and a dominant reliever (Ruiz flip). We’re not getting anything close to that here, unless they flip Cortes before spring training.
bdpecore
I think you’re underestimating Durbin’s potential. He has produced at every minor league level since being drafted and has the defensive versatility the Brewers covet. He could very easily be their starting second baseman for the next 6 years which is more valuable than one year of an elite closer especially when the Brewers proved the first half of last season they can be a playoff contender without Williams.
Chris Koch
Turang is holding down the 2b position according to Murphy
Pads Fans
Not according to Arnold who said that one of Turang or Ortiz would be moved to SS in spring training depending on the other moves the team makes in the offseason.
Maybe Murphy wins out on that one, but somehow I think that the POBO will make the call.
Although Murphy’s comments were to the effect of “I don’t even want to think about it” when asked during the Winter Meetings who will play SS. Then he added; “You obviously know there’s an option of either Ortiz or putting Turang over there. It’s one or the other,” Murphy said.
So even Arnold has said that one or the other of Ortiz or Turang will move to SS and now they have an option at 2B that they didn’t have last week. They have no options at 3B that make sense.
slider32
Both teams are good at trading players that help their teams, so I would say there’s a good chance both teams won this one!
top jimmy
Left handed Tanner Scott would’ve been a better fit. They have no lefties in their bullpen. But hard to argue with the acquisition of an elite closer like Williams.
gbs42
They still can sign Scott.
Begamin
With the amount of bullpen arms they lost, this trade does not mean theyre done adding to the pen
This one belongs to the Reds
This is why Milwaukee stays on top of the Central. They make moves like this while others sit on their hands.
ExileInLA 2
And PIT and CIN never spend money, and the Cubs are … the Cubs, and the Cardinals are (finally) starting an overdue rebuild. But when STL is done, they’ll dominate again.
YourDreamGM
Terrible trade but they usually do well.
Joemo
As a Red Sox fan, I am thankful that I will hear less about the dumb, and frankly illegal, windups that he was getting away with.
But good trade for the Yankees. They need that closer.
Begamin
lol @ “illegal”
Joemo
So he got called out for the illegal pump fake, which was lovely.
And here’s the official rule for the windup position:
The pitcher shall stand facing the batter, his pivot foot in contact with the pitcher’s plate and the other foot free. From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration. He shall not raise either foot from the ground, except that in his actual delivery of the ball to the batter, he may take one step backward, and one step forward with his free foot.
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Most of the things that he does are not classified as “natural movements…”. If he wants to do that stuff, do it on every single delivery. No one is naturally delivering a pitch like that.
Begamin
If you want to play semantics on “natural movements”… throwing a baseball in general and especially having any windup is an unnatural movement. Its why people blow their elbows doing it.
That said, people can “naturally” have funky windups or “naturally” like to switch it up every pitch and thats not illegal. You want to make quick pitches illegal too? How about when a pitcher goes from windup to the stretch? If he wanted to pitch from the stretch, do it on every single delivery not just when theres runners on.
All im getting is salt lmao
Joemo
People naturally have funky windups. That they repeat time and time again. So that’s not a funky windups to them, that’s their natural windup.
This is not nestor’s natural delivery: giphy.com/gifs/yesnetwork-sport-baseball-mlb-dpvOa…
Does he do this the majority of the time when delivering a ball? Does anyone do that the majority of the time when delivering the ball? No.
Changig your arm slot, leg kick height, adding a pause, that’s all fine. Doing the salsa in the middle of your delivery isn’t.
Pitchers will consistently pitch with the same motion from the windup or the stretch, so that’s perfectly fine. They CONSISTENTLY do it. If he wants to do the salsa in the middle of his delivery, do it the majority of the time.
It really isn’t a complex thing to think about.
Picture it this way. If Nestor does these things with a runner on base, would it be considered a balk? The answer is clearly yes lol.
I honestly don’t care, doesn’t affect me at all, I just find it ridiculous.
Begamin
Its really not complex to think about how its not illegal as simply no throwing motion is natural, much less a windup. I dont see the umps stopping him and saying his windup is illegal and I’d rely on their knowledge of the rules rather than a biased red sox fan wanting it to be illegal. If he was in Boston you’d have a whole different impression
Joemo
I would not have a different opinion. I think it’s dumb. Don’t assume things because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’ll restate a question you ignored: if Nestor did his dumb motions this with a runner on, would it be a balk?
The answer is clearly yes.
The rules are that way to prevent clear and obvious deception to hitters and runners. You can do things that are weird if you do then often. You can’t do weird things as a one off that are not natural throwing motions. Your argument that “no throwing motion is natural” is missing the point. Natural is just a way to say is it a motion you expect someone to do when pitching? Swinging your leg back and forth repeatedly is not a natural throwing motion. That’s it. That’s all. Unless he wants to do it on the majority of his windups. Otherwise it’s not natural and should be an illegal pitch.
Shawnpe
There’s nothing “illegal” about Cortes’ wind up. And… since every lefty in history balks in the stretch, there’s nothing to talk about, regarding his wind up.
Joemo
So you’re telling me a lefty can swing their leg towards home plate and then bring it all the way back, repeat, with a runner on without it being a balk?
Ok, good to know you have no idea what a balk is.
Keena
What should’ve been illegal, is Big Sloppy Ortiiz, getting away with using steroids for his entire tenure in Boston.
all in the suit that you wear
Cortes hasn’t gotten away with anything illegal as far as I know.
Baseball77
Weird trade on the Brewers’ part, getting Cortes in return. Does he immediately go on the trading block due to the fact that he will be a free agent after the 2025 season (like Williams)?
gbs42
Brewers need starting pitchers, and Cortes will cost about half what Williams does.
Baseballisthebest
Cortes will cost about the same as Williams in arbitration but the Yankees are sending cash too.
Jeremy320
No, neither Civale. Brewers only trade players they can get significant over-pays for.
Shawnpe
His price tag is reasonable, but he is still due arbitration this year (I think). I think the elbow issues last year should be a huge red flag though. Williams stress fracture is a lot less concerning than a squaking elbow. They need to flip Cortes better the elbow blows up.
billysbballz
Cortes and Durbin?
AdamGe
Good move for the Yankees. Has to be a high level prospect along with Nestor otherwise this is a steal for the Yankees.
Needed to edit this as it looks like Durbin is going to the Brewers. Whew, you have to give something to get something. But who is now playing second?
Braves_saints_celts
They’ll resign Torres…. lol in all honesty though I doubt it.
slider32
Yanks still have DJ, Vivas, Peraza as options.. Jazz can play 2nd or 3rd. Bregman is now a priority
ExileInLA 2
Jazz at 2B
twozero6ix
stove is warm and ready! what a trade
Cambo
Dave Dombrowski approves of the trade. He prefers watching them than participating.
marlinsin7
He has the GM cuck chair in the corner
william-2
I remember the days when for a while this news would have been followed quickly by the Red Sox signing Scott. The Yankees signing Walker, with the Red Sox getting Bregman after trading their DH and moving Devers there. The Yankees trading for Bellinger, and the Sox signing a starter, and on and on.
When both teams are trying to win it is so much more fun. As always, every year, good one Yankees.
Frankie Bani
Will be hard to pass the Dodgers filter !!
ctbronx7
Bad deal. Durban is going to be a terrific everyday player and Williams is the next Yankee “one and done.”
Wagner>Cobb
Durbin is a total unknown. Williams is arguably the best closer in baseball. Certainly top 3.
Warren Spahn
I’m not so sure, his pitch is called the air bender it’s never in the strike zone, team are sitting on his pitches more than ever.
Wagner>Cobb
1.25 ERA last year. Sitting on his pitches didn’t work.
John_In_WI
Yep, That’s what knocked them out of the playoffs last year.
John_In_WI
Williams created bigger jams than he was brought in to get out of. Can’t get away with that forever.
LordD99
I think the Yankees were pumping him to dump him.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@lord
Durbin’s numbers speak for itself.
Shawnpe
Yet no one has heard of those numbers until after the trade today. This is a farce!
YourDreamGM
5′ 6″ 83.8 they certainly do speak for themselves
colonel flagg
All teams scout these prospects. I don’t think they go in asking who do you got that’s good and just say okay. They know what they’re getting. They just hope it transfers to the next level.
JoeBrady
I don’t think they “pump” the numbers. Everyone sees the same numbers.
CaseyAbell
Freddy hit Nestor right out of the Yankees organization.
Joe says...
LOL
CravenMoorehead
Freeman made Nestor a free man from NY
Goose
This looks like a good deal for both teams. The Yankees get a great closer and the Brewers get a competent #3 starter. It also tells you they believe in Gil being the real deal.
Begamin
Eh, whether they believe Gil is the real deal or not, Cortes was the odd man out with the Fried signing
Butter Biscuits
Good deal for the yanks
SadMsFan
Holy crap! What a steal!!! Dang!!! Go Yankees!!!
lucas0622
I know relievers don’t get a ton in trade, but feels like the Brewers could’ve gotten more than a 4/5 starter and utility prospect for Williams, no?
Buckner
LOLZ @ “utility prospect”
Do your homework.
Shawnpe
Durbin wasn’t even close to a top 100, he’s not even top 20 in the yanks farm, he slots only to 15 in Milwaukee, who really has most their top guys from 2024 in the bigs.
Durbin IS a Utility IF prospect. Cashman and the Yanks never had any intention of having him in the OD MLB roster. That was BS and fluff to overvalue him. It worked. This trade blows goats for MKE.
bdpecore
I’ve seen multiple 2024 midseason prospect lists which had Durbin listed in the 10-15 range. Being ranked #15 in a stacked farm system isn’t a bad thing. Especially when many fans consider Yoho (#21) and Carlos Rodriguez (#22) as MLB ready pitchers.
bdpecore
As others have mentioned earlier, GM’s rely on their scouting teams not the assessments of other GM’s or outside scouting reports. It’s as if, fans think GM’s look at MLB Pipeline to learn about prospects like most fans do. Good GM’s like Arnold look for undervalued prospects in trades which in their minds allows them to gain more value in trades. No GM is willingly overpaying for players in trades. And based on Arnold’s track record, he’s a very good evaluator or talent.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@lucas
Cabrera and Peraza are “utility prospects”. Durbin is a legit 2b with a great hit/ walk tool and his glove can play at the position. I view him as a Dustin Pedroia/Knoblauch/Einstein type. He would’ve been a fan favorite in the Bronx had he made it. Sucks but I did want Williams.
LordD99
You’re overrating Durbin. He’ll be 25, is not a particularly good fielder, and the underlying hitting stats aren’t strong. He has a place but he’s not in the Pedroia/Knoblauch class. He is fast.
Tiger22matt
Not even a top 100 prospect
Armaments216
4/5 starters get back a ton in trade themselves. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Brewers flip Cortes to a pitching desperate team at the deadline. Meanwhile filling in behind him, and Williams, with their usual successful reclamation project or two.
Shawnpe
Flipping Cortes for a real prospect or a 3B is the only way this makes sense.
YourDreamGM
Who but Milwaukee would be dumb enough to do that?
Warren Spahn
We have done ok in the past, smart guy.
YanksPhan42
I LOVE Durbin and think he’s going to be a solid every day player. Wanted him to start at 2B this year!! That being said, you have to give to get and Williams is one of the best RP’s in MLB.
I am concerned that both Fried and Williams both get nuked in the playoffs.
cwizzy6
Plan on it with Williams. You can set your clock to it.
jerseyjohn
Yikes! I pray this doesn’t portend signing Bregmam or trading for Arendo. Keep Jazz there and handle 2nd internally. Get Bellinger while you’re at it for Lf and sign Walker.
redsorbust
You forgot Corbin Burns, Blake Snell, Anthony Santander, Teoscar Hernandez and Tanner Scott. Must be nice being a Yankee fan.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
The Mets really couldn’t match this trade?
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets don’t have an extra starter to give away.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@VonPurpleHayes Megill, Blackburn, Butto, Hamel
VonPurpleHayes
Why would they give any of those guys away when they currently need them more than they need Williams?
Lalo says show me
One less contender, hopefully, for Hoffman. I’d love the Mets to get him
JoeBrady
I thought the NYMs had a closer? What happened to Diaz?
VonPurpleHayes
Exactly. Mets don’t need Williams at all.
Lalo says show me
I’m assuming poster thought Devin would be willing to go into a setup role the way he did for Hader.
In either case, Mets need a lefty in the pen desperately. Scott, I’m assuming, wants to close though. If they can’t get a quality lefty (minter maybe) try to sign Hoffman. I’m not sure how much validity there is to Hoffman trying to become a starter, but if not, that’s a nice dominant set up guy
VonPurpleHayes
Hoffman expressed a desire to close. In his words “he wants to get that last out,” but I think he’d be open to whatever role he’s given.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@JoeBrady Diaz isn’t the same as he used to be after his injury. Not only that but Williams has tons of experience as a setup man too
John_In_WI
Sterns knows all about Williams….
dasit
win-win trade
i guess the brewers really like durbin
Shawnpe
Why? Lol
dasit
not sure honestly
don’t think the yankees ever saw him as a solution but they’re good at pretending to love a prospect in order to pump up their trade value (jesus montero)
Mynameisnoname
Durbin was a breakout speedster. I thought Cashman wanted to get more athletic? I was reading the tea leaves as Durbin at 2nd next year.
They could have just signed Scott. More moves to come maybe?
Wagner>Cobb
I think they should sign Hyeseong Kim for 2B though.
Mynameisnoname
That’s true. Kim has been mentioned as a possible target.
Cashman said he wanted to address the defense and get more athletic, so HK fits that mold.
Still, Durbin was my favorite prospect as far as converting hype to ML production and I thought his great contact skills and versatility would be valued greater by the front office.
top jimmy
He would be a great fit. Elite defense. Bring some much needed speed to their station-to-station lineup. Good bat-to-ball skills and on base numbers. Those tend to translate better from overseas than power numbers do.
Rexhudler86
@wagner. Hyeseong kim. Is pretty similar to durbin. Just surprised another team couldn’t do a better offer for Williams.
Wagner>Cobb
That the point of signing him. Signing Kim allows you to not miss trading Durbin. Kim is left-handed which will bring out more power potential for him in Yankee stadium than you would see with Durbin.
Wagner>Cobb
Whoa…sold high on Durbin a little bit. Williams is very extendable too. Good trade.
Durbin is a great fit in Milwaukee. Murph is a great manager for scrappy players like him, often seems to get the very best out of them. I wonder how the infield will line up with Ortiz, Turang, and Durbin?
ohmy
I really doubt they’ll move Turang to 2nd, especially since he is Platinum glove potential every year. Ortiz is the logical SS. Durbin being the 3B option along with Tyler Black I guess at this point.
Wagner>Cobb
Seems most likely. That’s going to be an elite infield defense.
Wagner>Cobb
After thinking about this, I think they should slide Turang to SS, keep Oritz at 3B, and play Durbin at 2B. I think Durbin’s arm is considered a best fit for 2B, therefore playing him at 3B seems unwise. There’s less movement by keeping Ortiz at 3B too. The only guy moving positions is Turang, and he’s probably the most skilled defender anyway, so he’s a good one to bet on to keep his standards high.
Can we please get a DH?
Honestly fair trade for both sides. Brewers need innings and Cortes is a solid bulk starter (worth about 3 WAR). On the flip side, the Yankees need elite per inning production and get that in Williams.
YourDreamGM
Innings eater for best reliever in baseball sounds fair to me
sports_fiend
With Durbin being included, I think that means Yanks are close to signing Bregman. Jazz moves to 2B and Bregman obviously plays 3B
Then its a matter of whether or not they’ll pull the trigger on dealing for one of Tucker or Bellinger and/or Signing one of Walker or Alonso (although Alonso I think is less likely).
Wagner>Cobb
I thought they were out on Bregman?
Mynameisnoname
Interesting take. Jazz had his first healthy season last year, so they need some form of infield depth regardless of who they put at 2nd.
Bregman would be the expensive end of those waters, but his swing is tailored for Fenway, not the 385 lfc power alley of YSIII. I do like the above average glove and competitive nature of AB though.
Love Devin, but cannot honestly grade this move until the whole off-season picture is complete.
Wagner>Cobb
I wonder if there is still some belief in Peraza to be a reserve infielder if Jazz went down?
The McNasty1
This closer = gives up 3 run 9th inning HR in clinching playoff game at home to lose the series.
A ‘Star’ – don’t think so.
Begamin
holy reach
fred-3
Rivera literally blew a World Series. I guess he wasn’t a star.
whyhayzee
And two playoff games IN A ROW in 2004.
MetsGoLets
A lot of star closers have had big blown saves in the postseason. It’s the nature of small sample sizes. A single pitch doesn’t make Williams not a star closer. Ridiculous.
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@TheMcN
Williams has arguably the most unhittable single pitch on the planet.
But yeah, not at all a star…..
Frankie Bani
Mariano Rivera HOF, VS Luis González, what ?
VonPurpleHayes
It happens. You can’t judge it all on one game. He was one of the best all season.
salotelli9
He was tipping his pitches. He is still a top-line reliever and absolutely capable of putting up banner seasons.
Warren Spahn
The airbender is never in the strike zone, perhaps hitters are getting smart to his game.
VonPurpleHayes
I like the deal for the Yanks.
BaseballClassic1985
Cashman hates prospects lol
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Baseball
Ummm… Judge, Volpe, Wells, Gil, Cortez, Schmidt, Cabrera and Dominguez??? If anything I think he loves prospects because it’s the one place he can hang his bat on since spending money isn’t really a skill.
rmullig2
No, he just likes elite major leaguers better.
west212
Yanks are in beast mode! Let Cashman cook!
The McNasty1
Yankee fans are already clearing out a space monument park and planning to retire his number. Clowns.
Lilscrappy
Damn why you so angry? It’s beautiful outside and the birds are chirping..
Begamin
I like this trade on both ends. Makes sense for both teams
TAKERDBACKS
Yanks always seem to never give up good players.
mlbnyyfan
OMG. Should have traded Pereza instead
PTkirk
Kind of a bad return for the brewers. 5 starter and a 5’5 infielder with 0 pop lol
LordD99
#3 lefty starter. Ignore 2023 when he was injured.
Wagner>Cobb
Durbin is exactly the kind of player that Pat Murphy does well with, even going back to his days at ASU. Good return for Milwuaukee.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Not bad for both sides.
fred-3
Wow, a rare Cashman W
WideWorldofSports
Great trade for the Yanks
johncoltrane
I feel like brewers could have gotten alot more than this for devin williams. It cant be that cortes & durbin is the best offer they received
colonel flagg
I’m guessing they got what they could under the circumstances. Why would they settle for a lesser option? One year of team control and less than a year removed from back surgery. It’s probably all they could have realistically hoped for.
flyingblindsquirrel
Is that the same Devin Williams that gives up series clinching homers to the Mets?
BronxBombers23
Sht happens. He’s still one of the best closers.
Salzilla
OMG THAT’S AWESOME!
I thank Nestor for some fun years, but that final pitch was destined to be his last. Not his fault, but still.
As for Durbin, all repost have us in the market for another IF so I didn’t think he’d have much of a chance.
Great use of an excess SP and prospect.
I LOVE DEVIN WILLIAMS! Welcome to one of the best closers in baseball!!! Here are the keys to the 9th!
Yankee Clipper
Dude, this is fantastic! Get one of Belli or Tucker (hopefully Tucker, but I doubt it), and Walker and this is an A++ offseason, imho, for Cashman. I didn’t think this was possible to accomplish with this FO outside of Soto (who’s obviously the best player available this offseason), but he’s doing it!
This is how to build a good roster! Go YANKEES!
Salzilla
High five!
Acoss1331
Congrats guys! Boone will have an actual closer next year! Win-win for both teams!
Now how about I interest you in Bellinger lol
Salzilla
His value has dropped because of Tucker, so yes absolutely, let’s get that done.
mad1
Did you happen to see Williams last pitch? Williams has been awful in the playoffs
Salzilla
Don’t care, he’s one of the best. Period. For what we gave up, we take our chance and let it play out. That’s an incredible deal.
Lilscrappy
@mad – if Brad f’n Lidge could eventually pull it together in the playoffs to win a ring then so can Williams.
Lilscrappy
F—k yeah!! So excited for that changeup. A few years ago, our staff as a whole wasn’t throwing nearly enough changeups and getting shellacked by bums due to the resultant predictability. Someone in the org evidently realized this bc it’s since been placed back into heavier rotation, AND now the owner of the best change in the game will be closing out games for the squad! Somewhere in Alpine, Sabathia is smiling.
And I’ve always loved Williams too. I’m pumped!!
Salzilla
Woot! LFG!
ohyeadam
What a steal for the yanks! One of the best relievers in the game for a 14th rounder and one year of a mid starting pitcher. Durbin has put up some impressive numbers in the minors but dang
Sorinotsori
I really liked the way durbin fit into this lineup. Meh.
Yankee Clipper
Me too! He was more of what the lineup needs, but I am STOKED for Williams!
Sorinotsori
Yeah man I love Williams and even more with Matt Blake and company working with him. I know he’s far from a sure thing, but durbin could’ve been the true leadoff hitter we’ve been missing for years. Hopefully volpe breaks out this year and it’s him
swanhenge
Durbin looks like a decent get for MIL. I love guys who walk more than they strike out.
Digdugler
No one could beat that? Are the Brewers run by Ross Atkins?
dopt
Astros be fleeced for Ticker by Yanks
YankeesBleacherCreature
Sad to see Nasty Nestor go. Thanks for always being awesome! Losing Durbin hurts but nobody knows if he can hit in the MLB.
Welcome to the Yankees, Devin!
Let’s hope Cashman can change his stripes and lock him up before he hits the open market.
Acoss1331
Time to use that money planned for Soto and get it done with Williams! Congrats on getting a legitimate closer!
LFGSD619
Nestor also a rental. Doesn’t this defeat the purpose of trading Williams?
Wagner>Cobb
Yankees should stay away from Bregman. Keep Jazz at 3B, sign Hyeseong Kim for 2B, and add pop in the form of a corner OF or 1B. Santander, Teoscar, or Bellinger are all varying degrees of being a good fit.
redsorbust
Devin Williams is just a one year rental. I am not sure what people expect teams to give up. I would imagine that Brewers accepting this offer was the best one they got and the Yankees are in world series or bust mode so they were bound to offer the most. Anyway I am a Reds fan and I am thrilled he is out of the NL Central.
Wire to wire 2024
Now we gotta watch Cortes and his goofy windups
VonPurpleHayes
Tell that the Astros, who are going to get a king’s ransom for 1 year of Tucker.
Mmm
Tucker is like Soto lite though. Soto the better hitter, Tucker a better runner and fielder. The bat worth more tho and Soto a couple years younger not coming off a year he got hurt. So a little less than last years package.
gr81t2
Seems like a steal for the Yanks
Doron
Very good trade for the Yankees.
BronxBombers23
Would be nice if they also add a lefty rp. Scott is probably too expensive.
dasit
something i respect about the yankees organization: no leaks. it’s fun when a trade comes out of nowhere
rockingryan
I love baseball. I’ve been a fan for 30+ years but having kids this proves to me how disconnected I am from the sport. I’ve never never heard of this guy in my life and he seems great
AlvaroEspinoza1
The Yankees should still trade Gil if they can get Kyle Tucker. Gil had a good 2/3rds of a season but no one knows what to expect long term. I remember when the Mariners traded Michael Pineda to the Yankees after his amazing rookie season. Pineda was never more than a serviceable starter for the rest of his career. If the Yankees can get a top 10 everyday player in MLB for a still somewhat unproven starter they should do it. They can always sign another starter such as Flaherty to sit behind Cole and Fried.
Doron
No friggin way!!!
Gil is an untouchable.
Lilscrappy
Dude, come on. Gil is no Michael Pineda. The only thing they have in common is that they both throw a baseball.
Killer of Ignorance
You did know he was Rookie of the year, or maybe not. Michael Pineda? He never amounted to much.
BronxBombers23
Are there really Yankees fans who want the Yankees to give Bregman a huge contract???
Sorinotsori
Dude I wouldn’t touch breg or arenado with a 10 foot pole. We’re finally starting to get out from all the bad contracts from slightly old players. Idk if we gotta give peraza a long look or make a different trade, but I don’t like those options at all
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
Totally agree we shouldnt be looking at Bregman unless his annual and contract length could be had for 4yr/80 to worse case 5yr/125 which isn’t happening. Would be a great addition on a 3yr contract but also not happening. No more over 30yr old multi year bloated contracts. Although if Bregman is that 30 and over contract the Yankees sign make sure it’s 5 yrs or less or walk away. We do not need stars at every position. We need solid above average complimentary players. Walker makes a lot of sense at 1b for 3yrs max. T Hernandez would be my preferred over 30 multi year contract given but even then all remaining free agents are not ideal for the roster construction. Which leads me to the wild cards in Profar and/or the 1st baseman SD is willing to shop Arreaz? I like how they fit this squad if we can trade for a LF… and sign T Scott to complete a devastating bullpen!
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
Umm…No.
dasit
yankees are now less likely to land tucker and more likely to sign bregman. double yuck
BronxBombers23
I pray every day that they don’t sign Bregman!
Poolhalljunkies
There are probably better things in life to pray for lol
BronxBombers23
Maybe but I would still hate it
Mmm
If they didn’t have judge I would say to rebuild. This Yankees roster is thinnn.
mlbnyyfan
Yankees go sign Bueler and get Tucker. He’s the 5 tool guy Yankees desperately needs. Gil is expendable. Don’t let Gil be the reason, no Tucker. Michael King was eventually traded for Soto. The time is now for Judge and Cole.
Killer of Ignorance
Oh C’mon.. Be sensible. A comment like that indicates a thin brain. I’ll just say this. When the offseason is over and the season is ready to start, the Yankees will be favored to win the AL East again. Mark my words.
Seamaholic
I assume the “cash considerations” are large, basically most of Cortez’ salary. That’s the only way this makes sense for the Brewers.
Doron
NICE!!!!
Baseballisthebest
That’s a good trade for both teams.
Gives the Brewers a middle of the rotation starter for a year who is much less expensive than free agents and a versatile infielder who can really hit even if he has little power. A perfect utility player.
The Yankees get a closer for a year.
Killer of Ignorance
Doom and Gloom from the Yankee haters. It’s so predictable. If the Yankees get a guy, he’s lousy and every bad thing the haters can think of they’ll shout it from the highest mountaintop. But if Mets/Sox/whoever were to get that same player, it would be nothing short of marvelous and a superb transaction, without a doubt.
Baseballisthebest
Not sure who that comment was for ignorance, but if that was for me you need to re-read my comments.
RedSoxNation24
Good trade but i don’t think he will pitch the same once the Yankees force him to cut his beard.
FOmeOLS
This reveals another of Baltimore’s problems; in addition to needing someone like Williams, passing on him allows someone else to get him.
Kudos to the Evil Empire.
Poolhalljunkies
Fwiw durbin did really stand out in the afl this fall
YourDreamGM
A 5 6 slap hitter would stand out.
slider32
Cashman always seems to make the trade nobody’s talking about, good for both teams. Nasty and Caleb fit the Brewers mold and the Yanks get their closer!
mlbnyyfan
LoL. The Mets could have had a Cheaper Williams instead of Holmes. Good luck and Good Riddance in Queens Holmes.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Missing Soto already, I see.
Killer of Ignorance
Ya know, Lindor is a nice all around ballplayer, but he is not even within shouting distance of Aaron Judge. And Soto will miss him. Some articles are stating that Soto will now pair with Lindor to make a fearsome duo. What a joke. Lindor has his moments, but he also has long stretches of ice cold performance. So pairing Lindor with Soto, does this mean Lindor is the 2nd best player on the Mets? Who is going to hit behind Soto? It sounds like Alonso wants more than Cohen wants to give him. Soto’s 15 year contract is mind boggling, forget the money. Right now Soto is a stud, there’s no denying that. But he’s not a good outfielder, not a very good baserunner, speed lacking, and that hot dog personality rubs some players the wrong way, and that Soto shuffle…spare me. But I can’t imagine 12, 13, 14 YEARS from now we’ll be going, “wow, what a game Soto had last night “. I can’t see it. How many guys are still really productive in their late thirties? I’m thinking without Judge to protect him, and the tougher dimensions for hitters at Citi Field, Soto’s numbers will drop. No more short porch. Of course Soto can hit it out left, center, right. But I’d like to know how many of them went to right at Yankee stadium. I would think a lot, but I don’t know. I could be wrong, but we’ll see howhe likes Citi Field. The Yankees have a history of ending up with bad contracts for unproductive players that seem to take forever to extract themselves from. I am much happier that instead of dropping three quarters of a Billion dollars on a 15 year contract, NY is going to spend that money on upgrading a number of areas on the team with the result of the Yankees being a better all around team. It sounded if they had resigned Soto, they were going to try and get by on the cheap in other areas of need. Which is why Cashman would do nothing else until made his choice. So don’t think all Yankee fans are wringing their hands and laying awake at night. This one isn’t.
Killer of Ignorance
No kidding Bud. After watching Holmes blow 13 saves last season, he was the number one guy I wanted to see gone on the Yankees. I hear they want to make Holmes a starter. Good luck with that.
BronxBombers23
Cashman is great in praising a prospect/player only to trade him a couple of days later.
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
Can the Yanks please go back to Milwaukee and trade for 3b Ortiz? Get off the Tucker train and trade for James Wood instead. Much better flexibility to set us up to get a first baseman, another top bullpen arm( T Scott I’m looking at you), and some bench depth.
Armaments216
James Wood will be available in 2029.
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
True. It there is a trade to be made where Cashman would give up Gill, I would like that trade to be Gill, S Jones, and maybe Peraza for Wood.
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
Also think this would be the trade worth giving up Lombard Jr in.
YourDreamGM
Cant go back to Milwaukee yet. Cashman needs a few weeks to brag up another garbage prospect to get them excited on.
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
Ha. True. Maybe a Periera, Beeter, and Mayea, for Ortiz and Megill?
DodgerOK
Brewer season ticket holders must love this salary dump.
BITA
Its not a salary dump pretty sure they are gaining salary in this deal.
bdpecore
This is how small market teams like the Brewers stay relevant for as long as they have. Know your assets and don’t be afraid to pull the trigger on a trade when you’re able to add cost controlled talent in exchange for soon to be free agents.
This has been the Brewers way going all the way back to trading Gomez and Fiers to Houston for Hader, Phillips, Santana and Hauser. Brewers flipped Phillips for Moustakas. They also traded an aging Adam Lind for an 18 yr old named Freddie Peralta.
Brewers have a great analytics team who finds value in raw or underdeveloped prospects.
Seamaholic
You all piping up with the “Yankees stole Devin Williams” take … It’s the reverse.
Starters are worth much more than relievers, and Cortes for all your hate of him was a rock solid mid-rotation starter last year. He took the ball 31 times, had good peripherals, and was worth 3.1 fWAR. Devin was worth less than 1. Both are free agents next off-season and the Yankees are paying part of Cortes’ salary AND sending a pretty good prospect.
holecamels35
Yankees needed a closer more than a mid-back rotation starter though. This trade makes sense for both teams. I just wonder what the Brewers will do with their pen now. Needs a few additions.
YourDreamGM
There’s literally 20 Cortes available. Just takes 10 to 25 million. NY has plenty of $. Only 1 Airbender. F fwar
There’s no advantage having something everyone else can have. You win having rare elite players.
Jeremy320
Brewers had the #3 pen in mlb in 2024 with Williams missing 2/3 the season. MeGill had 21 saves and will easily slide right back into closer roll.
YankeesBleacherCreature
WAR for relievers isn’t accurate. And Devin also happens to be an elite closer. Trade from strength to address a glaring weakness even if the chips aren’t even. It’s the cost of staying competitive.
Killer of Ignorance
You’re misconstruing just about your whole comment. For starters, Williams missed well over half the season so WAR is not relevant. And an elite closer is worth more than a mediocre 4th starter. Nestor rock solid? That’s funny. I watched Nestor pitch dozens of times during his time with NY and on days he started, I wasn’t sure what to expect. And then there’s that Grand Slam HR in game one of the WS when NY was one strike away from taking game one. Nestor is a bad, bad memory and to get him out of the clubhouse is wise. Out of sight, out of mind. In fact, I wish they would have sent him down to some place in South America. But on the other hand, I’m thrilled to get Devin Williams. Other teams, especially the Mets, were after Williams. You Yankee haters who badmouth anything NY does are tiresome. If whatever team you’re a fan of had acquired Williams I would bet you’d be chirping a different tune.
jakec77
When I saw this I assumed that Cortes must have had multiple arbitration years left. But, he’s also a free agent at the end of this year- you’d think they could have gotten more for one of the best closers in baseball.
Of course, if Durbin is even an average MLB infielder for the next three years, then the Brewers did fine.
ctyank7
Durbin was ULTRA IMPRESSIVE in the Arizona Fall League. He’s another smallish player with big tools. You’re going to love this “Altuve-lite” kid for the next half-dozen years.
YourDreamGM
Too bad the pitching isn’t ultra impressive in that league.
cooperhill
Happy to see fat little Nestor out of the AL East,pitched like Cy Young against the Orioles!
BronxBombers23
Brewers to Cashman “we like Durbin a lot“ Cashman “oh no we are very high on him he will be our 2B“ Brewers “but we want him, we will send you the contract, sign out or we’re out, you have 6 hours“ Cashman signs it in a heartbeat
YourDreamGM
Never thought to ask why didn’t you call him up last year?
BITA
I like the deal for the Brewers. Seems like the Yankees could have kept Durbin and just signed a closer.
YourDreamGM
Durbin a lil old for bat boy but guess they could have kept him.
Karensjer
Why don’t teams just give their best players to the Bankee$? Cortes isn’t reliable and Williams gives the Bankee$ 3 guys who might close for them next year, a lights out bullpen, along with a decent starting rotation. Hopefully injuries rear their ugly head, because this might be the evil empires year.
178iq
They don’t spend to win the WS. They spend just enough to make massive profits. They made way more that year than they spent and that’s their formula. They do enough to make the playoffs. They don’t care about the WS. It’s all about profits now.
rocky7
Another Yankee hater heard from….guess you think the Dodgers walk on water too right with the moves they’ve made the last 2 years or so….
Karensjer
After the Bankee$ massive spending of the ‘90’s and ‘00’s that led to some titles, I think everyone is happy to see other teams get their fair share of trophy’s. I bet you root for the Lakers, Cowboys, and Criminal Tide as well. I’m just a bitter Detroit Tigers/Tampa Bay Rays fan who will never know an owner that spends and will thereby never see a title, so I hate.
Lilscrappy
Ok Karen
Isn’t life too short to be so full of hate and anger? The sun is shining it’s beautiful 🙂
Karensjer
Not if you’re a Rays fan. I’m entitled to want my favorite team to try to win a title. You’re right. Life is short, and I don’t think $tu is going to try to get one in my lifetime. He just cares about profit and probably couldn’t tell you who won the AL East last year.
Lilscrappy
Fair enough. At least you own it. I don’t think it’s impossible for the Tigers to win one, they had a good run this yr and are only gonna get better. I’m a Miami Dolphins fan, so I do understand the frustration of watching the same bad movie every year. But it’s good to try and take it in stride bc at the end of the day, none of these millionaires would lose sleep over us so why should we give them our energy, ya know?
Karensjer
Yeah, my wife tells me that all the time, lol. Any tips?
JoeBrady
I think this is fair both ways.
One can’t argue against getting a elite closer, but this is how payroll gets expensive. Soto is a great player, but in two years they replaced King and Cortes with Stroman and Fried. Soto made them better, and Williams will make them better, but they’ve added a decent chunk of salary over the past two years.
IRT Mil, assuming Megill replaces Williams, they will have three decent guys starting for a minimal amount of salary. This is how they stay competitive every year.
ctyank7
And there goes the organization’s lowest-cost and smartest potential replacement for Gleyber Torres. Now, watch the GM FOR LIFE bring in one of his “proven pros,” a 32-or older veteran infielder on the downside of his career a la Donaldson,
rocky7
Don’t think so…just means they are putting Jazz at 2nd and probably going after Bregman or Arenado to play 3rd…..
larkraxm
Yankees minor league infield depth: George Lombard, Roderick Arias, Jorbit Vivas, Roc Riggio, and Oswald Peraza. I’m not sure any of these guys are ready to replace Torres, but they are all ready to replace Caleb Durbin.
YourDreamGM
Durbin was definitely the smallest potential replacement for Gleyber Torres
johnzabl
Brewers were fleeced. Giving up a stud reliever for a 30 year old middling starter who like Williams has one year remaining on his contract, and a .269 slap hitter. Brewers should have gotten more or waited until the trade deadline to cash in.
mustang
They gave up something extra and average at best and filled a need with an elite player.
It’s a win.
Flyby
Interesting thought. Stearns likes trades. Stearns was a brewer exec and likes their players. Cortes is a brewer ( yes just got there ). Mets have an abundance of cheap young middle infield prospects. Mets needs starters.
Cortes coming back to NY? I want an ace but i mean change of scenery for Baty for a potential high ceiling candidate on platform year with a low cost (relatively speaking of course) that can handle NY.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Yeah no. We can do better.
Karensjer
There are better starters still on the free agent market than Cortes. Why trade someone like Baty with some upside for a grade C pitcher?
stymeedone
Because a grade C starter like Cortez has more value then a bench player with no proven history.
Karensjer
I meant they should sign Burnes instead of trade for Cortes.
YourDreamGM
Baty ain’t getting Cortes. They just traded the most dominate reliever in baseball for him. There going to want Senga and the smallest weakest prospect in your system.
rememberthecoop
And yet his career ERA in the postseason is 23.14.
demons19
What a terrible trade for the Brewers!
A journeyman lefty and utility bench player with no real future. Is this really the best deal for a top reliever?
The Brewers should fire their GM today.
mlbnyyfan
The Yankees Off-season priority has been to fix the lineup. Don’t forget about that Cashman.
Poolhalljunkies
Flip side..what if the stress fractures in williams back hadnt cleared up with rest? Had he needed surgery they get nothing. Also im no doctor but do know back problems are tricky especially for a 30 year old pro athlete so i feel like there is risk in this for ny..you dont just have a back issue at 30 and it goes away forever..just my opinion
larkraxm
Nestor Cortes didn’t pitch in a game for 40 days before giving up a GS in extra innings of a WS game because his elbow was torn up. What is your opinion on a 30-year-old pitcher with an injured elbow. Does that just go away forever?
Poolhalljunkies
Lark. I never mentioned nestor was stating simple fact back problems tend to linger and the flip side him not getting a good return per the original comment is maybe the brewers gm did ok for his team..but perhaps you have an opinon on elbow issues you wish to share with everyone?
larkraxm
Not an opinion on elbows in general, but a fact about one elbow in particular. While I agree, there is risk in acquiring any player, you made it sound like all the risk was on one side. I was suggesting that there is at least equal risk with the 30-year-old pitchers with an injury history.
larkraxm
Nice work. Now send Stroman back to Cubs in a Belllinger deal!
Poolhalljunkies
Nice work so long as the back holds up
larkraxm
Goodbye Nasty Nestor. We will always have that extra innings WS grand slam. Boone liked that match up. I think we will like the Devin Williams match up a bit better.
Poolhalljunkies
So long as the back hold up
larkraxm
Nestor has a bad elbow, dawg. That is why he didn’t pitch until the 10th inning of a WS game. He missed 40 days with a bum elbow to end the season.
Poolhalljunkies
Again dawg…never mentioned nestor..unless has a back issue we arent aware of..pay attention
larkraxm
I’m paying close attention. You don’t want to talk about the injury history of Cortes in a comment section about a trade of Cortes for Williams. So long as every player on the Yankees backs holds up, this is a great trade. If their backs don’t hold up, then they will have sore backs. Thanks a lot for your contributions!
Poolhalljunkies
Lol no thank you!
Killer of Ignorance
Why Boone didn’t bring Tim Hill in to face Freeman, I’ll never know. Must have been one of Boone’s “hunches”. I sometimes defend Aaron Boone. He seems like a decent guy, the players like him, and he catches a whole bunch of s**t from Yankee fans. But what kills me about Boone is no matter what happened in the game, no matter how terrible the pitcher pitched, or some player performed, he’ll try to put an absurd positive spin on it. Say Nestor gets bombed so at the post game presser, he’ll say something like, “Well, Nestor stuff looked good and he was throwing the ball well but he just made a small mistake or two where the ball drifted over the plate and the batter put a good swing on it. Yeah, overall, I was happy with the way he was throwing the ball”. This happens all the time when somebody really screws things up for the Yankees. Boone acts like if he says a bad word about anyone, the players will beat the crap out of him after the press leaves. If the player was terrible, say he was terrible. Don’t blow a bunch of smoke. It would be so nice if just once when Meredith Marakovits asked Boone what he thought of Nestor’s performance he said, ” well, I knew from the get-go that Nestor was going to have a bad night. After the 3 walks, 3 basehits, then a hit by pitch, and then to top it off a homerun. Playing the White Sox, no less. I don’t know if Nestor was still drunk from the night before, if he smoked some Mexican tobacco before his start to formulate his game plan or what. But bottom line, he stunk. I mean really stunk. And I had to run down to the club house because I felt like I was going to upchuck those 7 chicken legs that I washed down with a quart of Budweiser before the game from the buffet. And then he gives me the evil eye when I came out to get him before we fell further behind. As for his next start, I wouldn’t bet on it “. Next Question? 🙂 Now of course I’m joking here, and Boone is a player’s manager and never says a derogatory thing about any of his players. Never, at least that I’ve ever heard. And I always watch the postgame show on YES when he gives ” The Manager’s Report “. Anyway, I know it’ll never happen but it would be very refreshing.
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Mikenmn
Nestor is a solid mid-rotation arm. Williams is elite, but the prospect Durbin evens out the deal talent-wise. Spending big on starters, you need an elite closer to make the investment logical
itsmeheyhii
I was definitely intrigued by Durbin but in the end a prospect is a prospect unless they are a cant-miss top-25 type so I like this deal for us.
Brewers get a solid return imo. Nestor is a good mid rotation guy if he stays healthy and adding Durbin is a nice get. Good trade overall.
Hope we can work on an extension with Williams and get some stability in the pen. I like that this allows Weaver to come in when needed instead of being locked into the 9th too.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Nestor Cortes will always be my favorite Dodger pitcher.
Killer of Ignorance
You sly devil. I can laugh now, but not so much after Freddy suddenly came alive.
Captainmike1
I hate the trade
They get just one year of Williams
This is not how you build a dynasty
Killer of Ignorance
If Williams likes NY and does well, the Yanks will resign him. If they don’t, not that big a deal. Nestor just fell into their lap out of nowhere and had some success. Durbin is just a prospect at this point. This isn’t like Soto was or Tucker might have been if the Yankees traded Gil to get him which I’m glad they didn’t.
larkraxm
One of the ways you build a dynasty is by demonstrating to your team and players on other teams that there is no season that we are not trying to win. Keeping Durbin and not addressing the bullpen (arguably the biggest reason we didn’t win it all last season) so that we can possibly win some future season, is what the Pirates tell their fan base. We are going to try to win the WS every year. That is why I am a Yankees fan in the first place! Cortes also has one year of team control left so I assume this is about Durbin for you.
Huck 3
I think the Yankees are likely to lock Williams up with an extension. They wouldn’t have bothered doing that with Cortes. So they are looking longer term here, not just next season, if I’m right about that.
stymeedone
Thought that about Soto, too, I bet.
Huck 3
Soto is not the measure by which we look at how likely they are to succeed. Soto had already turned down roughly a $440 million dollar extension with the Nats previously, and was known to be planning to go to the highest bidder. The Yankees may have believed they could get him as a FA anyway, but in hindsight they were certainly wrong. But they have locked up other players before, and unless Williams falls flat on his face, they are likely to make a strong effort to do that. I believe they will put out a solid offer and yes, I expect it to be good enough. But we’ll still have to wait to see where the cards fall.
HalosHeavenJJ
Brewers either really like Durbib or are desperate for cash. I hope it’s the former and that they are correct.
Seamaholic
No this is a fair deal. Actually favors the Brewers a bit imo but makes sense for both. Both guys are free agents next off-season. Cortes was worth 3 times what Williams was worth last year. Williams had a significant injury, whereas Cortes started 31 games and ended up with an fWAR over 3. AND the Brewers pulled a high level major league level infielder.
just_thinkin
Yankees fans eating pretty good despite Soto loss
Hate y’all lol.
larkraxm
I think that Soto might be the one who lost the Yankees. So far the Mets have added Yankee cast off Clay Holmes and Frankie Montas. I hope that OMG guy can pitch!
Killer of Ignorance
Your funny…. 🙂
YourDreamGM
A+ NY. Not as good as getting outbid on Soto but still amazing. This guy is so dominate and they got him for a #4 and a utility player they don’t think much of.
F for Milwaukee. I’m being the Grinch today. I could be nice and go D. Look at the prospects stats! Look what starting pitching is going for! Well those stats probably won’t transfer to MLB. And look what elite relievers go for. They could have got some real nice prospects. Just go out and spend 15 or 20 million and get the same or actually even better pitcher. Too expensive then go 10 million.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Also in the Yankees favor is the QO at the end of the year. Nestor not worth a qualifying offer, but Williams is.
YourDreamGM
Yes. I should have mentioned that. Excellent contribution my friend. They can grab a prospect with higher upside than Durbin. No grinch. This truly was a awful trade.
Seamaholic
Cortes, 2024: 3.1 fWAR
Williams, 2024: 0.8 fWAR
Both have one year left. You got it backwards. Cortes started 31 times last year as a solid mid-rotation starter. Williams was hurt (again).
larkraxm
Cortes was/is also injured last year…and the year before. Mason Miller had a WAR of 2.3 so Cortes is better and has more value. The Yankees should have got Rooker and Miller for a player like Cortes.
YourDreamGM
Cashman doesn’t care about war. Williams might be the best reliever in baseball. For 10 to 25 million a year you can get another Cortes if you wanted. With Fried they done much better than that. Cashman isn’t trying to win war, he’s trying to win a championship.
Milwaukee could have just signed a Cortes. Traded Williams for a bat or prospect haul. Scarcity means valuable. Cortes just a guy. Williams rare.
Killer of Ignorance
I like your analysis.
Killer of Ignorance
You bring up WAR when you should know that Williams missed well over half the year. And he was used somewhat sparingly after he came back. I’ve watched Nestor pitch dozens of times and he was sometimes good, mostly mediocre, and sometimes terrible, especially when his command was off. Then it was like batting practice. And then there was that Grand Slam he gave up when NY was one strike away from winning game one. That was a sheer and utter catastrophe of the highest order. Bad, bad memory. I’m honestly not sorry to see him go. BTW, he was not the happiest guy in the clubhouse.
Baseballisthebest
Williams isn’t exactly the picture of health, either, as he missed half of 2024 with stress fractures (plural!) in his upper back and came back a somewhat different pitcher.
Pre-2024, Williams was wildly successful because of his “airbender” changeup and huge extension of 7.6-7.7 feet toward the plate. After his return from the back injury last year, that extension dropped to 7.3 feet
slider32
Apples and oranges
stymeedone
Alex Cobb was 15MM. I’d rather Cortez.
YourDreamGM
Cobb wasn’t at the top of my list. But if healthy similar to Cortes. Could be better. I’d take my chances.
byronuberalles
I underestimated Joey Ortiz, so I will reserve judgement on Durdin. He could be Jose Altuve Jr
But man, I wish the Brewers could get a hold of some Power hitting prospects again for corner infield roles.
O'sSayCanYouSee
As an Orioles fan, I was sad to see Joey Ortiz go. Dude is a gamer, great glove, and very good AB’s. I bet he has a 30 HR season in Milwaukee.
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
I was really hoping that the Yankees were working on a Williams and Ortiz trade as he would be a great fit for third baseman for the Yankees. The only other 3b (ss) the Yankees should explore a trade for is close to untouchable in Tampa with J.Caminero but more of a pipe dream. Ortiz would have been more realistic. I really don’t want to see Arenado on the Yankees. Just painful to have another old and bloated contract. Please Cashman…NO. Much rather have Bregman over Arenado but really don’t want either.
Killer of Ignorance
Yeah, Bregman would really solidify the infield Defense, but his bat is not really made for Yankee Stadium. He popped a lot of his Homeruns into those Crawford Boxes in left at Minute Maid. a good number of them would be flyballs at Yankee Stadium. As for Arenado, if he was the player he was a few years ago, well Hell yeah! But he’s not, and he’s owed a lot of money yet.
YourDreamGM
This guy ain’t no Joey Ortiz.
Captain K-Midd
@byronuberalles – They have power hitting prospects for corner infield roles – Brock Wilken, Luke Adams, and Blake Burke from the first round this last draft. Now if they make a difference in the bigs…remains to be seen
byronuberalles
They’re all at least two years away and I may die anytime, lol
Rsox
The Yankees basically paid the Brewers to take Cortes off their hands. Wonder how much it will cost them to move Stroman?
YourDreamGM
More like Yankees just go Williams for free.
larkraxm
Well, they did get an elite BP arm that fills a need on the roster as well. Maybe you didn’t see that Devin Williams is coming back in the trade. I hope they pay whatever it costs to get rid of Stroman. It seems as more FA SP sign, someone will get desperate. I would guess they have to pay at least half of his salary or take back another bad contract in order to move him, but that certainly has to be the plan.
Doron
There are teams that are starved for 150+- innings of a #4 level Starter.
FA #4’s are running $15 million or so.
Stroman is around that level as far as cost is concerned, and is under contract for 2 years.
Yes, it would be a salary dump for the Yankees, but Stroman still has pretty decent value for a team that needs Starting Pitching, and there is plenty of time to trade him.
larkraxm
Stroman’s deal is only for one more year unless he pitches 140 innings in 2025.
Killer of Ignorance
NO, no. They wanted to use their surplus of starters to make a trade to strengthen the team. Which they did. Sure getting rid of money owed helps but that was not the main objective. And Devin Williams contract is not that far off from Nestor’s.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Glad to see Nestor leave the AL East. Hated him on the bump…so vexing. Bag of tricks pitcher. (Hat tip…that stuff works though).
See yeah Nestor…won’t miss yeah in Baltimore.
GarryHancock'sGhost
Wow. You guys really dig deep. Sincere thanks. The Yankees almost always get what they want. Yet, we Red Sox sometimes prevail.
Killer of Ignorance
Back in the reign of King George the Yankees usually got their man. Nowadays….not so much. George would shower players with mega cash to get them to sign. Now there are a lot of teams with BIG Bucks to throw at players. As most of you probably know, there were at least 4 teams willing to give Soto three quarters of a BILLION dollars. I used to not pay much attention to fans that would complain about ticket prices. But after Ohtani’s and Soto’s contracts I hear them loud and clear. And it will probably get worse.
SeeUonTheUlnarSide
Great trade for the Yankees. Williams is electric in the 9th. They traded from surplus and got a real quality closer.
Pads Fans
That’s a good trade for both teams. Yankees lost a lot of pieces of that pen including Holmes and when healthy Williams is one of the best closers in the game. Brewers may have gotten the better end of this over time if Durbin turns out to be a solid 2B or utility player in the majors.
I know Cashman said Durbin was going to be their starting 2B in 2025, but I think from seeing him play in the AFL the last 2 years that he is more of a utility player. He is a fast little sparkplug that can occasionally run into a pitch and drive it out of the park.
Doron
Durbin was properly hyped up in the last month and a half, and the Yankees traded him VERY well.
Cortes is a good SP, I like crafty lefties, but Caleb Durbin is what got the Brewers to bite, Cortes was the throwin.
VERY good trade for the Yankees imo.
Doron
A true Boss move?
Sign Jack Flaherty (no QO), have a front 4 of Cole, Fried, Rodon, Flaherty.
Then, Gil as headliner for a Controllable STUD!!!!! OF’er.
Marcus Stroman being moved next to a pitching starved team in exchange for Matt Blake Projects.
Clarke Schmidt as the #5.
A Rotation like this? Pure insanity.
Captain K-Midd
If you are trying for a World Series, it is better to have something like 6 or 7 guys that can project as starting pitching in case of injuries…
Doron
ROFL.
The Dodgers needed like 12 no? HAHAH!!!
Doron
In all seriousness, The depth will come from Poteet, Brubacker, and the other AAA starters.
I doubt the Yankees go into the season with 6 bonafide Big League Starters, thus sending Stroman or Schmidt to the Pen as a Long Man.
They have very good depth at SP, they should capitalize on it.
Captain K-Midd
They just did with Cortes…They should keep Gil. He is still pre-arb and they are going to need him…Can’t count on guys that haven’t pitched a full MLB season yet
Doron
The only way I would be behind a trade involving Gil is if the Yankees replace him with a top 2-3 FA Starter this offseason, and trade him for a haul.
I am perfectly fine with Gil being a Yankee for life otherwise.
An early 80’s Yankee fan!
Hi Doron. Totally agree with adding another starter to allow Gill, Stroman, peraza and periera to be used for trade material. Preferably for James wood in a gill and others trade and Bellinger for 1st/cf backup. Still need a 3b who is fast in reaction time and I’m still stuck on Ortiz from Milwaukee as the best fit but now seems completely unlikely. Bregman what be a next best bet.
Doron
Hello to you too!!
Bellinger is not going to require a massive haul, he is 100% a salary dump from the Cubs.
I am against Bregman for 2 reasons.
1. He is a Boras Client.
2. He is a Boras Client.
Gil should only be traded for a MAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIVE Haul.
Killer of Ignorance
Scott Boras. The owners must hate him with a passion.
Cash-Man-NY
I’m sorry to disagree with the two reasons that you stated. The real reason that we need to stay away from bregman is
He is a F’kn Boras Client !!
coocoo20
Yankees missed that. Tucker is a massive haul
Doron
Not for 1 year.
Killer of Ignorance
I don’t know about Flaherty. He was mostly lousy till the one good year for the Tigers.
YanksPhan42
I think we NEED to do this, actually. Dodgers now have Ohtani, Yamo and Snell and may soon get Sasaki!
Domingo111
I think it is an ok trade. Durban is probably a solid utility player but he is the same type of decent contact ability but not enough power utility type of infielder than the Yankees produced a lot of in the last couple years (duran, Josh smith, Cabrera, peraza) who can hit ok but doesn’t have enough power to be a first division regulsr
El Kabong
This trade sets the bar for what the Cardinals might get for Helsley. One year of an elite closer can fetch a decent return, but not the kind of mega-package some Cardinals fans expect.
YourDreamGM
Set the bar low. Durbin low.
jbeerj
Just remember that Tyler Durdin is really 2 people, so this deal is even better for MIL.
Quinnap89
In the short term due to contractual parameters it is a win for both teams. They both got something that can help them for 2025 and both have the option to extend there guys.
Killer of Ignorance
Now I’d like to see Cashman sign Tanner Scott. Along with Williams and Weaver, what a trio for the last 3 innings. Nestor could be effective at times but his lack of velocity always made you feel that if his command was off somebody could smoke one. That Granny he gave up to Freddy ******* Freeman in the World Series was a monumental disaster of unparalleled magnitude. I’m kind of sorry to see Durbin go. He sort of reminded me of Dustin Pedroia, a hard nosed little gamer. I hope he doesn’t turn out as good as Pedroia was. At least he’s in the NL. Meanwhile, now the Yanks need a 2nd or 3rd baseman depending on where they decide to put Jazz. And they better not resign Gleyber. I’ve had enough of that space case. Although if he was willing to resign for 2/30 mil. he’d be a lot cheaper than say signing Bregman and putting Jazz at 2nd, his natural position. More will be revealed. Man, I love this hot stove stuff. And my first stop is always MLB Trade Rumors to see the latest because I know there content is accurate, up to the minute, and not a bunch of misconstrued horse****.
GhostofRandySavage
Basically swapped out Holmes and Cortes for Williams and Fried. Good job cashman
Armaments216
And Soto for TBD
brewcrewfan82
Gotta love all the Yankee fans saying Durbin is overhyped and not even a top 30 prospect in the organization. Sounds a lot like you are all still recovering from the Soto whiff and massive Fried overpay. Enjoy the 9th innings of Williams walking a guy or two and living on the edge of your seat for the 25 season.
bigpapi136
Haha this comment hits home. His numbers may look great but I cringed every time this dude came in to close. He really did walk a lot of batters. I hope a scenery change does him well… I feel he is better suited as a set up man. He shows his true colors in the playoffs.
Fernando P
@bigbpapi – But Holmes blew 13 saves. Way more than anyone else. He walked a lot of guys too. And so many soft hit grounders and bloopers —- Holmes had bad luck.
Williams doesn’t give up many hits, K’s a lot of batters. Three straight years of whip at 1.01 or below, three straight sub 2.00 era and 2 RP of the year awards. He’s a big improvement over Holmes.
YourDreamGM
Salty
itsmeheyhii
Mad.
sacrifice
Durbin is a stud
salotelli9
Great move by the Yankees. Sell-high scenario completed by Cashman. Durbin is nothing to write home about, and his profile rose after a great AFL. Williams solidifies the backend of the bullpen, in conjunction with Luke Weaver, who really has done a nice job for them.
Durbin has club control, and is a gamer. Will fit in well with the Murphy-led dugout. Has positional versatility. What will be interesting will be what they do with Turang & Ortiz, who plays SS? FanGraphs projects Ortiz to move to SS and Turang to cover 2B, which makes for a top-end defense up the middle. But, Durbin I would think projects better to cover more 2B.
Tyler Black’s development this off-season will be interesting to watch, hope he can take some ABs as a super-utility type.
Wonder if the Hoskins market heats up with Alonso & Walker out there, as an alternative. Not sure as to what value a trade for him would bring back. But I would imagine teams look to him as a bounce-back candidate, a year removed from ACL Surgery in his left knee.
leftcoaster
I guess Williams will have to ditch his beard. Will he be able to continue wearing an earring?
StudWinfield
Yankees fans acting like Durbin is the next Arreaz. Get a grip.
Dmac13
I like this move a lot. Cortes was a good yankee gave it his all unfortunate that his last yankees memory was serving up a dinger but this makes the yankees better! Starting staff of cole fried, rodon, gil and 1 of stroman, schmidt or brubaker that’s a deep staff. Now go make another deal and trade a combination of wil warren, stroman spencer jones and peirera $ and low prospect not top 20 for cody bellinger and someone like scott kingery
itsmeheyhii
Jones is not getting moved for Bellinger.
BrewCrewBraz
And Williams last memory as a brewer is blowing the game against the mets.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Durbin’s an overrated prospect who the Yanks had good reason to look to capitalize on via trade over calling him up on their own major league club and Nasty Nestor is a beloved quirky pitcher with some deeply concerning downward trends and peripheral stats, a ‘starting pitcher’ that feels like feast or famine on the mound and often fell apart just in time to give up a lead or get teed off on just before getting pulled for a reliever.
Yankees aren’t losing much upside in what they gave up and are getting tons of upside from the player they traded for.
Great move by the Yankees.
BrewCrewBraz
You apparently haven’t watched Williams pitch lmao. This is a win for the brewers big time. Got rid of the overrated part of their pen and added a much needed arm in the rotation, PLUS a big upside prospect. Win all day for the crew
Fernando P
@BrewCrew – I think this helps both teams.
Cortes was the 6th man on the Yankees but he’s like #2 or #3 on the Brewers. Brewers have other bullpen arms so makes sense to get something for Williams before his free agency. Both teams fill a weak spot (SP,
Closer) by trading from their depth. Plus Brewers get Durbin.
Dantosa
Got to go with the decisions of GM Arnold over Cashman every day of the week
Degaz
Geezus…Brewers gave him away for nothing. LOL good…better for the Reds!!
BrewCrewBraz
Tell me you know nothing about baseball, without telling me you know nothing about baseball
Fernando P
Don’t normally agree with trading a SP for a RP. However, Williams is an elite closer…one of the best. Nasty Néstor is a mid rotation guy that’s a bullpen guy come playoffs.
Yankees dealt from their depth to improve the closer spot. Brewers did the same in dealing from their bullpen strength and adding a #2 or #3 for their staff.
Looks like a trade that will help both teams.
pmollan
Brewers know what they’re doing with Durbin. He’s the one to watch
radhippo
For some reason Nestor doesn’t seem like a Brewer
ArianaGrandSlam
Acquiring Cody next, signing three good players by spending less money than that of Soto’s in total, Yankees will be the winner of this off-season.
Mickey Solis
Yankees are pathetic. They will not win a World Series any time soon. They blew their shot last year and didn’t even deserve to be there because the American League is pathetic.
Chris Koch
Williams is worthy for a QO. Cortes is not after this season.
GarryHarris
It keeps being reported that Joey Ortiz will be moved to SS but, I don’t think he will be. It makes more sense that Caleb Durbin will be the SS. Ortiz didn’t play much SS in MiLB.
BrewCrewBraz
HUGE win for the brewers here. Yankees can have that inconsistent cry baby
larkraxm
And you can have an injured Matt Blake reclamation project that we pulled off of the scrap heap for nothing. Seems like we are all happy!
bpflyers1
Dave D, where were you when this was happening? The Yankees gave up Jack Squat for one of the best relievers in baseball! The Phillies could have had their lockdown closer! I guess we’re going to piss away the golden years for Harper, Schwarber, Realmuto, and Castellanos and try to get by with Question Marks in the pen again!
Yanks4life22
Yankees just gave up quite a bit. Nestor Cortes is a proven SP in a time where starting pitching practically doesn’t exist.
Also still plenty of high caliber relievers on the free agent market or available via trade.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Seems like a return for the Brewers for a elite bullpen arm.
Philip5
I’m certain he is pegged for starting rotation. They already have 2 lefties signed for BP.
Philip5
This looks similar to the trade they got for Corbin Burnes. Seems the Yankees win this trade.
spaceman85
Have two guys who just gave up walk-offs as dramatic as these two ever been traded for each other?
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Cortes was in witness protection. Yankees ratted him out….
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“Meanwhile” has to START the sentence. It’s not supposed to come in the middle, separated by commas.
“Dominant as Williams has been” is NOT PROPER ENGLISH. You can’t just leave “as” out at the start of the sentence because you feel like it. It’s not optional, and neither is proper grammar.