Oh no, Xi didn't! Chinese spymaster cuffed in Belgium, yoinked to US on aerospace snoop rap

Re: Expect more

Indeed. Given the Chinese got the entire personell records of almost everyone who works for the US government through the OPM hack a few years back, they know who to target and what their weaknesses are.

The OPM hack can the potential to be one of the most damaging in history.

Re: Expect more

Actually, having the national Army run theft units that steal IPR and pass it to national companies is not the norm ... especially not for countries with such favoured economic status as was afforded to China. The scale on which China is doing this is unprecedented.

Yes, companies steal from companies, and governments spy on governments, but this is something completely different.

Re: Expect more

There is a lot of down votes here but no clear indications about why. Care to enlighten?

The bit that jumped out at me was:

"Innovation in aviation has been a hallmark of life and industry in the United States since the Wright brothers first designed gliders in Dayton more than a century ago,”

Which, as we know pretty much killed the aero industry in the US until Mr. & Mr. Wright's patents expired.

Luckily, France (and others) ignored those patents and made aeroplanes.

The US got it's start ignoring the UK's patents, and China is doing similar.

Not that I am condoning theft, merely offering an explanation.

Mark 85 said:

The Chinese only recognize patents/copyright by Chinese companies and citizens.

That might be what their legal code says, but even that isn't in force in practice on the ground. I hear that even Huawei have troubles with rip-offs of their network gear appearing out of factories in China that Huawei don't own. So its not just us that they do it to, some of them are quite prepared to **** on their own door step.

Unfortunately there seems at least in part to be a culture of get rich quick no matter what. Hence the plastic-in-milk scandals, repeated despite the original perpetrators being executed. There's all sorts of food scandals, USB hard drives made from steel nuts, small flash sticks and trick firmware, you name it.

This kind of thing can be very damaging for an economy. GDP growth is one thing, but if the quality of that growth is poor, you basically end up wasting all that and doing it all over again. What matters is high quality growth. This is why Japan, despite being poor in terms of GDP growth, isn't going under, because literally everything they do is of the highest possible quality. Makes a huge economic difference.

The Chinese only recognize patents/copyright by Chinese companies and citizens. Basically, someone in China can file a patent or copyright on your product and they then have free reign to wreck as much havoc as they want.

Correction: The Chinese government (and culture) do NOT recognize patents and copyrights.

To be fair, US patents/copyright works in exactly the same way. It's not about who first thought of it, it's about who first filed in the US.

"The Chinese only recognize patents/copyright by Chinese companies and citizens. Basically, someone in China can file a patent or copyright on your product and they then have free reign to wreck as much havoc as they want."

It pretty much works the same way in most countries. if you don't register your patents worldwide, then you lose them in the countries where you don't file and if you don't assign copyright enforcement, the same thing effectively happens.

If you want your IP to be recognised in China, then you need to file registrations there (It's cheap to do so) BEFORE trying to find someone to make the product - and invest in a lawyer who can protect your IP there - This is exactly the same advice anyone wanting to do business in the USA used to get until quite recently too, because they'd have their ideas ripped off in 5 minutes otherwise.

Accusing China of state sponsored industrial espionage is pretty rich, considering the USA has been doing exactly the same thing for a couple of centuries.

Re: Puzzling

Quote from article: "Meanwhile, Xu was cuffed by Belgian cops in April, and handed over to the Feds, we're told."

What does "nabbed" mean anyway?

Re: Jurisdiction??

they should teach that to kids at primary: democracy and values - THERE, see that faint blueish line on the horizon? This is what we preach. Now, reality is HERE! And don't forget, if one's in doubt, pontify loud enough, most fulls won't look past your smooth talk!

Re: Jurisdiction??

What I heard on the news was that the US requested his arrest and extradition. They may have flown some FBI guys over to take custody of him and bring him back to the US, but I doubt Belgium is going to let them perform the actual arrest in their jurisdiction.

Re: Jurisdiction??

Friendly territory to NSA/FBI means vassal state ... USian "low enforcement" have been abducting poor sods and killing them on military airports in Poland as well ...

The US low enforcement has more power abroad than that home, because, after all, us foreigners are Untermenschen ... according to them ...

re. terrible hypocrisy.

hypocrisy must be one of THE foundations of homo sapiens. Alongside honesty, fair play, democracy, rule of the law, equality, etc. etc. of course! :D

That's what I was wondering.

The Interpol boss didn't make sense until I saw this.

Tit for tat.

It's like the 80s again.