ode on a serial comma
Feb. 28th, 2023 11:11 pm
arduinna
Okay, not really an ode. But a gentle lament in the general direction of all my Chicago Manual of Style peeps.
Starting in a month or so, I'll have to use a house style that's based firmly on AP. :(
For many years, my company's house style was based on a document I helped write, and every iteration of it had serial commas front and center - every time the company got bought or what have you, my little corner of it had either the only house style guide or the most complete one, and even if we were the little fish, it got adopted with just a few changes just because it existed, and that was one of the things we didn't budge on. (And other CMS-based guidelines as well - that was our base overall. But this is a specific lament.)
But we were recently bought by another, bigger company that actually believes inherently in style guides and had a very detailed one. Based on AP.
This was a big purchase, big enough that it's being treated more like a merger in terms of harmonizing processes, so our legacy editing team crossed our fingers and hoped (vainly - we knew it was vainly, but we had to hope!) that the other team would see the light and embrace the serial comma.
Spoiler: there was no embrace.
The new, combined style guide is being rolled out now after months of hashing out by people on both legacy teams, and the serial comma is right out. With the usual caveat of "unless it's necessary" but no acknowledgment that it's always necessary, because why on earth would you make people stop to parse a sentence they didn't have to? Argh.
Anyway. Sigh.
At least overall the two style guides were simpatico, and I like some of the changes that have been introduced. Not all, but some. And some of our legacy style made it in as well.
But our house style, their house style, and other house styles just work better with serial commas, dammit.
Starting in a month or so, I'll have to use a house style that's based firmly on AP. :(
For many years, my company's house style was based on a document I helped write, and every iteration of it had serial commas front and center - every time the company got bought or what have you, my little corner of it had either the only house style guide or the most complete one, and even if we were the little fish, it got adopted with just a few changes just because it existed, and that was one of the things we didn't budge on. (And other CMS-based guidelines as well - that was our base overall. But this is a specific lament.)
But we were recently bought by another, bigger company that actually believes inherently in style guides and had a very detailed one. Based on AP.
This was a big purchase, big enough that it's being treated more like a merger in terms of harmonizing processes, so our legacy editing team crossed our fingers and hoped (vainly - we knew it was vainly, but we had to hope!) that the other team would see the light and embrace the serial comma.
Spoiler: there was no embrace.
The new, combined style guide is being rolled out now after months of hashing out by people on both legacy teams, and the serial comma is right out. With the usual caveat of "unless it's necessary" but no acknowledgment that it's always necessary, because why on earth would you make people stop to parse a sentence they didn't have to? Argh.
Anyway. Sigh.
At least overall the two style guides were simpatico, and I like some of the changes that have been introduced. Not all, but some. And some of our legacy style made it in as well.
But our house style, their house style, and other house styles just work better with serial commas, dammit.
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Date: 2023-03-01 01:05 pm (UTC)So you can keep using it at least.
I feel your pain.
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Date: 2023-03-01 02:35 pm (UTC)Indeed! I never understand how this is not the guiding principle above all others. Of course what confuses readers changes over time -- apparently no one is confused by misuse of "that" for "who" anymore, oh, the humanity! and pluralizing the noun instead of just whipping out the singular "they" in every case is seen as pedantic ("he/she" and "s/he" died unmourned, even by me, while no one was looking) -- but surely reader comprehension should be the guiding light!
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Date: 2023-03-04 10:58 pm (UTC)But now I have to treat them as extra. Woe.
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Date: 2023-03-04 10:52 pm (UTC)But on the plus side (for me at least), they're 100% US-English, which is such a relief after literal decades of "these reports are US English, those reports are UK English, so yeah just waste your time changing them if someone pulls a US English report section into a new UK English report and vice versa." I feel for my UK colleagues, but we also have a lot of Asian editors who must go out of their minds trying to figure out which way something is supposed to be spelled or where the adverb goes. At least now it'll be consistent!
But oof, I'll be sniffly about the serial comma for quite some time...
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Date: 2023-03-02 03:23 am (UTC)My deepest sympathies. ;__;
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Date: 2023-03-04 11:17 pm (UTC)The other awesome one is that nothing that goes out from marketing or corporate bothers to match the written style or the mandated visual style, so our website is a complete hodge-podge. /o\