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Susmita Bhattacharya

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Since the subject does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NACADEMIC, it requires significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Currently, the subject is supported by primary sources and has only an h-index of 7, which is insufficient to establish notability by academic standards. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Félix de Bedout

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BLP of a television personality, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for television personalities. No sigcov, no evidence of notability, insufficient sourcing since its creation. Jinnllee90 (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gover Stream

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No refs hatnote since 2022 but it doesn't appear that there have been any sources on the page since creation in, I think, 2006.

I don't see sources that show this small feature meets the notability criteria. It seems that Gover Valley 'might' be notable but it doesn't seem to me that even a rename of this page would help as it includes a lot of material that isn't verifiable. JMWt (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Santa (2005 film)

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In my WP:BEFORE I failed to find anything of substance, in reliable sources, to meet WP:NFILM. All I could find was run-of-the-mill database entries and newspaper TV listings. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kop (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project this one was tagged uncited over 5 years ago. I searched but it does not seem notable. Turkish article is also uncited. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vicky Zahed

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Fails our notability criteria – doesn't meet WP:CREATIVE. Ratekreel (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 1 and 7 are RS and are about this individual and some of their handy work, I think it's ok. Oaktree b (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Reference no. 1 and 7 are fine. Baqi:) (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Weak, but the subject has received moderate coverage which is sufficient to support a stand-alone entry per WP:BARE. Also, the article is WP:POORLY.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Metco 308

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Unnotable. A ton of bricks 14:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fox, Indiana

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I'm not sure what Baker means by "this village was apparently never platted," but in any case the maps and aerials show yet another rail spot/late pre-RFD post office. Baker also says that it was originally called "Fox Station", which leads to the same conclusion: a town never actually happened here. Mangoe (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmudur R Manna

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Article in its current state seems quite promotional (linking directly to all of their works), and based on the edit history is most likely an autobiography. A WP:BEFORE didn't bring up much - the subject writes for bdnews24.com, but seemingly nothing noteworthy has been written about them. Tessaract2^Hi! 13:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Please feel free to delete. My intention is based on online strengthening of my works presence, which in root a promotional intention. Manna Mahmud (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Note that the main author has speedy'd the article themselves, so this can now be closed. Tessaract2^Hi! 15:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Les Marmitons

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No evidence of notability, although it's existed for nearly 2 decades, it's promotional in tone, and likely a copyright violation of [1]. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 13:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support, article lacks notability. — Your local Sink Cat (The Sink). 06:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sink Cat Based on your rationale, I assume you meant to write "Delete" in bold, not "Support"? It is clearer when AfD !votes are for a specific outcome, rather than just supporting the nomination. The nominator could change their mind, for instance, or (like in this case) not specify the outcome they're seeking. Toadspike [Talk] 10:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Yes I had meant delete. — Your local Sink Cat (The Sink). 13:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, plenty of sourcing that could be used.[2][3][4] etc. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trail Blazer (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project last month this one was tagged uncited 15 years ago. I searched but there are others with the same name. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active but hopefully someone from the metal project will know better than me if it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I was not able to find material in reliable music magazines, searching for both their band names. I think I could be able to write up one of their later albums, but not this one. I did get hits in Google Books. Geschichte (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Turpachita

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There is no such village in Kyrgyzstan. Most likely, they meant a mountain pass Турпачаты. Mitte27 (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect to Osh Region. Article cites no sources. Available sources on the internet do not seem to establish notability and therefore fails WP:GNG TNM101 (chat) 11:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be more correct to redirect to the article Pamir-Alay. Mitte27 (talk) 11:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at OpenStreetMap shows a hamlet with the name турпачаты, though it's not very large and I can't otherwise confirm it. GNG also isn't the guideline for villages - we just need to prove they exist, which will be hard in this instance. SportingFlyer T·C 07:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Pamir-Alay – As WP:ATD per Mitte27, with is more accurate. Svartner (talk) 04:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We can’t verify if this is a human settlement or a mountain pass. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rolf-Peter Horstmann

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Despite notable achievements in German academia, the article seems to lack any indication of having WP:PROF criteria, i.e. notable citation etc. Xpander (talk) 10:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: He probably meets WP:AUTHOR, if nothing else. Here and here are published reviews of his Cambridge Elements book on Kant; here is a review of his translation of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil; here is a review of his recent book with Paul Guyer. I've not searched for reviews of his various German books. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, his professorship meets criterion C5. Note that the German system doesn't have the plethora of named chairs found in the US system, but a full professor and Dekan in a good German university is of at least comparable level. Elemimele (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Varun Ahuja

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Fails WP:NM or WP:COMPOSER, I searched about the subject but didn't find much substantial information (WP:BEFORE). The Hindustan Times article stands out as slightly better and provides relevant insights about the subject. Baqi:) (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:COMPOSER

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Hazel De Nortúin

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As a city councillor, she doesn’t satisfy the notability standards at WP:POLITICIAN, nor do I see evidence of WP:SIGCOV, either from the references here, or a general internet news search, outside of her candidacy. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non notable local politician, fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Spleodrach (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. De Nortúin doesn't meet WP:NPOL as a city councillor. My only possible alternative to deletion would be to draftify until after the election as she apparently stands a decent chance at holding Bríd Smith's seat in Dublin South Central, but I dunno if that quite meets WP:DRAFTREASON point three. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom or Draftify per Ser! - draftifying is a possible outcome from a deletion discussion and it would seem reasonable to not delete if, as you say, she does stand a reasonable change at being elected. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because she's a nationally prominent local politician and easily the most prominent PBP representative who isn't already a TD. She was at their manifesto launch e.g. and there's been another profile of her published in national media since the article was published. (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/11/20/i-have-two-kids-who-are-working-in-the-civil-service-and-they-cant-afford-to-buy-a-house-candidate-told-on-doorstep/). Could tolerate draftifying if you're trying to hold the line on local reps. Snoooooooopywaves (talk) 11:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"She turned up to a party election event during an election" is not the compelling argument for notability you think it is... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify seems fair enough. She has about evens chances of holding the seat for PBP, and it saves the trouble of a fresh start next week if she does. In response to Snoooooooopywaves, coverage of a candidacy during an election doesn’t satisfy notability under WP:POLITICIAN. She is being promoted by PBP because they want to hold Smith’s seat. If she does so, we can restore the article from its draft form. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: According to WP:NPOL, elected local officials can be notable if they meet WP:GNG. The RS Noticeboard says the Irish Times and The Ditch are reliable. It's barely notable, but notable nonetheless.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but only if that's actually significant coverage. The article from The Ditch is not significant coverage of De Nortúin, instead just referring to a complaint she made about an actually notable politician in Leo Varadkar. The Irish Times coverage posted here is a routine feature on a candidate going door to door which does nothing to define notability, while the one in the article itself is about her and two other councillors criticising the lack of maternity leave pay - again, not defining notability for her. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:NPOL is not met. WP:GNG is not met. (None of the sources in the article contribute to notability - being the subject's own LinkedIn profile, an interview, trivial passing mentions and the same type of coverage which we might expect for any local politician/candidate. Of the sources more generally available, returned from a WP:BEFORE search, may include some from reliable sources (like Irish Times or RTÉ) but all of these are also either passing mentions, interviews or the same type of electioneering coverage that is applied to any and (often for "balance" reasons) all candidates in an election.) FWIW, I'd just about be "OK" with draftify as an alternative to deletion. Until after the coming election. But, in all honesty, it wouldn't be my first choice... Guliolopez (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The Phoenix has an entire profile[5] on her that I (or others) could use to expand the article and help meet SIGCOV. As User:DesiMoore points out, elected local officials can be notable if they meet WP:GNG. I created Hazel Chu when she was a councillor because there was SIGCOV in Irish papers on her. So whether De Nortúin becomes a TD or not shouldn't be the decider. Sources, not position, denote GNG. Derek Blighe and Philip Dwyer, for example, have never held elected official.

I'm surprised other Irish users did not check The Phoenix, which carries two profiles of a young person and older person of interest each issue, when seeking sources on De Nortúin. CeltBrowne (talk) 11:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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S. V. S. Rama Rao

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Unsourced since January 2009. The only source I can find for him - at least in english sources - is IMDb, which is not considered RS on its own. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep? per WP:CREATIVE (added 2 refs to the page); but I cannot confirm all his credits. Can someone access newspaper/print sources in Telugu? -Mushy Yank. 16:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC) Suggestion: redirect and merge into a paragraph in Telugu_cinema#Cast_and_crew #Art direction as ATD?[reply]
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Arab conquest of Kaikan

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There's no such event/conquest that lasted till three centuries. It's clear a messed up WP:SYNTH article. The sources are poorly cited, some of the non RS'es were being dealt with but even RS'es do not testify and established the WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV of "Arab conquest of Kaikan (658-9th century)" Garudam ^Talk! 09:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot find any evidence that "Kaikan" is actually a place! Delete. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shalini Passi

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Not meet WP:BIO. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brian Ogola

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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 12#Brian Ogola. Article was BLARed in 2019 because it was "too outdated" (according to the editor who redirected it). CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe keep. I do think there is a credible claim to his passing WP:NACTOR for multiple notable roles. From looking at his IMDB he actually has some lead roles in content available on Netflix (for example https://nairobiwire.com/2020/10/meet-poacher-actor-brian-ogola.html ). The trouble with African media is the press is often ridiculous in its puffery so finding usable sources is often challenging because many of the newspapers get discredited at AFD for being over the top promotional. Based on his work, I say he passes an SNG, but based on sourcing I don't think we will be able to find WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete May pass SNG, but not GNG or SIGCOV. Link to the East African is broken, ands that could have been significant. African actors usually get less coverage than equally notable international counterparts, so I’m open to changing my mind if someone can provide one independent, reliable source.ANairobian (talk) 06:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MV Ramana Reddy

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Just mere mentions in the press. Article creator blocked as SOCK. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joshua Sales

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a session musician, and not found references to add. I do not think the existing references demonstrate that he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN. There is no obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 15:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lingayat Vani

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This article is a POV fork of Lingayatism, created using WP:SYNTHESIS of poor sources to glorify Vaishya Vani caste while conflating it with a different community (Lingayats). Most sources and even most of the article only concerns Lingayats and not Vanis. - Ratnahastin (talk) 08:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ratnahastin Thank you for initiating this discussion. I would like to address the points raised in the nomination and demonstrate how the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines on notability, neutrality, and verifiability.

1) Not a POV Fork

The topic "Lingayat Vani" is distinct from "Lingayatism" and warrants its own article. While Lingayat Vani has historical and cultural links to Lingayatism, it represents a specific community with unique socio-economic and cultural characteristics. This is supported by independent and reliable sources cited in the article.

The overlap with Lingayatism is a necessary background to provide context, but the article focuses on the Vani subgroup, not the broader religious identity. Such differentiation is aligned with Wikipedia's standards for splitting articles where subtopics merit detailed discussion.

2) No Synthesis or Original Research

The content adheres strictly to Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS. Each claim in the article is directly supported by sources. There is no combining of unrelated points to create new interpretations. Where sources discuss Lingayatism as part of the Vani community's background, it is presented as such, not conflated or misrepresented.

3) Neutral Point of View

The article's tone and structure aim to neutrally document the historical, cultural, and social aspects of the Lingayat Vani community. If there are any specific instances of perceived bias, they can be flagged for improvement.

4) To all the respected Administrators.

I believe the article on "Lingayat Vani" satisfies Wikipedia's core content policies and deserves to remain as a standalone page. I am happy to address any specific concerns or collaborate on improving the article further. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This comment is entirely AI generated. Please do not use chatbots, you should convey your views in your own words. - Ratnahastin (talk) 14:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ratnahastin Yes I agree I used chat gpt for this reply, I avoid using chatbots for such conversations. But believe me It has been a great time since sockpuppets have been trying to delete the article. I used chatbot in my reply as it saved some time. As a matter of fact even for the chatbot to provide a valid response It needs facts from my side. I sincerely apologize for using it and will never use it again on such discussions. I didn't knew we can't use it here. But I still abide by the views I shared in my prior comment. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you think the article is trying to "Glorify" a community, It doesn't mean it. It is a neutral documentation of cultural aspects of the community. I agree to edit anything if necessary, please initiate it in talk page before, rather than abruptly deleting it. PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ratnahastin Please see: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Lingayat Vani

I sincerely agree to further cooperate if anything directly or indirectly tries to glorify or exaggerate something. Please create a discussion for such topics. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bradv Hi again. Please tell how can I remove AFD tag from the article . I made some improvements in the articles that make it better and will keep adding later on. Currently I am a part time editor on wikipedia, I don't know how and when to remove it. @Ratnahastin is also not replying. Thanks for your help ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 17:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It will be removed automatically when this discussion concludes, at least one week from today. – bradv 17:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see any need for this article given the main article covers it all. CharlesWain (talk) 12:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi @CharlesWain @Liz the main article "lingayatism" is about the religious sect. this article is about a prominent community holds a history of its own. This article is also prone to various sockpuppets trying to push their POV. I also need a discussion on this, any sort of debate is welcome. Thank You ! PerspicazHistorian (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Universidade Franciscana

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Ths doesn't seem to meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG, or have a good WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 08:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul#Education – The article in Portuguese seems developed enough. If someone wants to improve it, a redirect makes it easier to revert. Svartner (talk) 02:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maidan Daily

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Fails WP:GNG. I failed to find direct and in-depth coverage about this newspaper. Gheus (talk) 07:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daily Sarhad

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Non-notable newspaper. Primary references and mentions like this are not enough to pass WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 07:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lay Observer for Northern Ireland

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Can't really find any in-depth sources on this, though there is the potential to redirect (after adding a mention) either to Department of Finance (Northern Ireland) or maybe Ombudsman services by country, so thought I'd put it up for discussion instead of PROD or CSD. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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APFIC Objective and Key Achievements

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Entire article is written like a promotion. Only source mentioning APFIC is its own page and a document at fao.org, its parent organization. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 06:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It has an entry in this Dictionary, this Dictionary, and an entry beginning on page 627 in International Organizations and the Law of the Sea of which only the first page is viewable. The Encyclopedia of Ocean Law and Policy in Asia-Pacific takes the time to document when various countries became members of this organization. It's organized by nation, so the coverage is across multiple pages. I think this highlighting within an overview of each country indicates some importance. There is also some coverage in [6], [7], Best.4meter4 (talk) 07:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The J-Gos

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I do not think that this hyperlocal band meets NCREATIVE or GNG. I see one review in a hyperlocal newpaper, and little else of substance. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, we have many critical reviews in local press (many fromThe Argonaut in San Francisco and Venice Vanguard and Los Angeles Village View in Los Angeles) which arguably meet WP:SIGCOV and criteria 1 of WP:NBAND. On the other hand, the coverage is all to events which could be seen as too local (ie small venues, etc), and we should maybe not consider it significant on that basis. However, there's also the fact that the band randomly did make it on Papua New Guinea's national music chart which would mean it passes criteria 2 of WP:NBAND. In the end this throws it over to the keep side for me.4meter4 (talk) 07:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4meter4, following up belatedly. I tried to verify the claim of charting in Papua New Guinea, and did not succeed. For an otherwise somewhat-implausible-sounding claim like that, it would be good if an established non-SPA editor had succeeded in verifying (although of course sources are not required to be online). Perhaps you found it, or have other thoughts on the matter? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sandeep Johri

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References do not demonstrate significant coverage by multiple sources. Brandon (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletionism is a cancer that must be opposed at all costs. Speedy Keep 99.122.52.226 (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Hannan Masud

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Sources do not show in-depth coverage needed for WP:GNG. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This needs a review by Bengali-speaking editors. Several sources do not appear to mention the subject, but are used to support statements about him. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article is in development, and the person is worth notable. Need some time to add citations. Ahammed Saad (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as per @Ahammed Saad Bruno 🌹 (talk) 17:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've read the entire article. In the second paragraph of the beginning, a statement by Abdul Hannan Masud (the subject of the article) from a Facebook video has been slightly modified and cited with a Facebook link. Again, what is written about the person in the third paragraph is not supported by the referenced news link. The news link discusses his speech. In the Early Life and Education section, several links are cited, which are inconsistent. In the Activism section, although some references align, a lot of personal opinions have been used. C⚛smLearner ^💬🔬 18:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typical of cite bombs. I will withdraw my nomination if the creator can present three in-depth coverage from reliable sources.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Sohan61 it would be very helpful if you could translate the title of each source that isn't in English and set the trans-title attribute of the citation template accordingly. Please also set the website= attribute with the English name of each source website, so we can more easily see what these citations are. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Apart from name mention or some quote, I am not seeing any WP:SIGCOV, there is no in-depth coverage. -- আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shalabam

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Fails WP:NFILM. No reliable reviews from Rediff.com and Sify.com [8]. The only 2 reliable sources are passing mentions. DareshMohan (talk) 06:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2008, a standard solution for articles about released films when cast is notable, content verifiable and the director and writer have no page. Preserves history and can be reverted if sources are found. Thanks (NB- the film is listed there).-Mushy Yank. 10:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is nothing in Google search result to show that this passes WP:NFILM. The two sources in the article gave just single mentions each and with nothing in search result, there is nothing to sustain it. Mekomo (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2008, as quoted by Mushy Yank...Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sudheesh#2000s. Lots of evidence that the film exists. The other page List of Malayalam films of 2008 is poor with no sources and that is why redirect to actor's page is more better (imo). RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added some refernce links. I don't know whether the notability pass. The Film exists. Had a theater run. Streaming in multiple online platforms now. That is all. --Ranjithsiji (talk) 16:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Annette Jones (architect)

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An orphan article. An unremarkable career that does not meet WP:ARCHITECT. Source 1 is merely a registration database, sources 3 and 5 are primary. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Not seeing a notification of the creator, MurielMary, who might be able to explain why they believed notability requirements were met. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes criteria 4c of WP:CREATIVE and WP:SIGCOV per the source by Cox and Women in New Zealand Architecture: A Literature Review in Society of Architectural Historians, Australia and New Zealand. This latter journal highlights that Jones was specifically featured in prominent exhibitions in New Zealand women architects and was featured prominently in the November-December 1993 issue of Architecture New Zealand magazine.4meter4 (talk) 05:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets criteria 1 of the architect notability criteria: the person is regarded as an important figure, as evidenced by inclusion in Cox's work. MurielMary (talk) 08:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Whilst Elizabeth Cox's source goes to GNG the source on it's own isn't enough to establish notability as the rest of the sources are non-independent or non-RS. There doesn't even seem to be mention of anything she's designed, which suggests she isn't notable too. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add: if there is sigcov of her work that'd go towards coverage of her and might sway my vote depending on how much and how in depth it is. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daily Aaj

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Non-notable newspaper, lacks direct and in-depth coverage in independent secondary sources. Gheus (talk) 07:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Wikibear47 (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alan White (DJ)

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a radio DJ and a spinoff article about his purported "television show" that may or may not ever have actually existed, with neither article properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing inclusion criteria for media personalities or their shows.
As always, broadcasters are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence of WP:GNG-worthy third party coverage and analysis about them to establish that they've been externally validated as significant by somebody other than their own public relations agent -- but the BLP is "referenced" to one deadlinked unreliable source, one discogs.com directory entry about somebody else who isn't Alan White and one glancing namecheck of Alan White's existence in a newspaper obituary of somebody else who also isn't Alan White, absolutely none of which constitutes support for the notability of Alan White.
And meanwhile, the "television show" article is actually serving primarily as a coatrack for a largely reduplicated summary of the BLP, and not actually saying even one word at all about a "television show" until the very end, when it finally reveals that the "television show" that's posing as the article's nominal subject is "currently in pre-production" -- except it's said that since the day the article was created in 2011, and the article has never been updated since then with any evidence that the show ever actually started airing. And it's also based entirely on unreliable sources that aren't support for notability, with absolutely no GNG-worthy coverage about either Alan White or the "show" present there either.
Nothing stated in either article is "inherently" notable without GNG-worthy sourcing for it. Bearcat (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I'm getting a headache on this one trying to locate sources. Too many people named "Alan White", and several active in music.4meter4 (talk) 05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Music & the Spoken Word broadcasts

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Unreferenced list of unclear utility. This is an episode list of a radio and television music performance show in which the Mormon Tabernacle Choir (always the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, never anybody else) performs religious music along with an inspirational/religious sermon -- but this list just goes "broadcast number, date, recording location, title of sermon, production code, the end", with many entries not even containing all of those details, and right across the board even the recording location is always one or the other of two facilities in Salt Lake City, and never anywhere else.
There's no information at all that would actually be useful, such as the titles of any specific songs that were performed in the episode or a detailed summary of the sermon's theme — so there's effectively nothing of any serious substance said about any of the episodes to differentiate one from another. All of which renders it into a list of meaningless and trivial information, and it's also completely unreferenced for the purposes of actually verifying even what little information is here.
There's just no value to this without a lot more information about each episode and actual referencing for it. Bearcat (talk) 04:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Special Assistance Resource Teacher

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Renominating as last AfD was no consensus. No significant coverage in gnews, gbooks and Australian database Trove. Most of the sources are primary like minister's announcements and government sources. LibStar (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In addition to the offline sources in the article and the additional materials provided in the first AFD, there is some significant coverage in this journal article: [9]. I'm also seeing a bunch of Australian education journals and magazines covering the topic in 1980s publications in google books, but they are only available in snippet view. From what I have been able to find, this seems like it was a major education initiative in the 1980s in Australia with a thousand teaching positions created under this title and an associated training program in order to work in that position. Seems like a notable topic.4meter4 (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge this overlaps too substantially with Special Assistance Program (Australian education) to have two separate articles; both talk about the program and teacher roles/trainings in the program. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. The issue is the article does not present a worldwide view. – The Grid (talk) 13:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

High Commission of Malaysia, London

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Article based on a primary source and directory listing. No third party coverage to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG. Diplomatic premises are rarely individually notable. AusLondonder (talk) 12:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of diplomatic missions in London#Embassies and High Commissions in London where it is mentioned, as has been done for every other non-notable embassy and high commission in London brought to AfD or PROD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Malaysia–United Kingdom relations. @Thryduulf the embassy is also on the List of diplomatic missions of Malaysia. I think we could actually save all the content on the relations page as a merge target which would be better than redirecting to one of several possible list pages. 4meter4 (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Regalado Highway

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Unlikely to pass WP:GEOROAD. Listed sources from DPWH and Quezon City government are primary sources. Searches of news on Google for both "Regalado Highway" and "Regalado Avenue" queries only give news about routine coverage on partial road closures, some fires that occurred in nondescript and unfamous businesses and houses along the highway, rerouting schemes, Quezon City speed limit rules that applies to all highways within the city and not just this one, and others. Other websites are for finding directions and for real estate hunters. None of the searched sites on Google support the notability of this typical national highway. Either redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City or Philippine highway network. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City. WP:RUNOFTHEMILL urban roadway. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Asas

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Fails WP:GNG, lacks direct and in-depth coverage. Gheus (talk) 07:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Apna Channel

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The official website is defunct. Fails WP:SIGCOV as no article addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gheus (talk) 06:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Capital TV (Pakistan)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV as no article addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gheus (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ranged weapon

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Original research. No evidence this is anything besides an arbitrary classification, a distinction that may have emerged from tabletop gaming given that I mostly get hits from D&D manuals when searching the term. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment It's a gaming term, not a real world weapon distinction. Maybe there's some point to it strictly in those terms, nut in modern warfare the division is between hand-to-hand combat and everything else, and the long lists are essentially padding. Mangoe (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hum Sab Ajeeb Se Hain

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Lacks independent bylined coverage or critical reviews in reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 06:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. non notable sitcom. Before search did not bring any useful reviews, only episodes from YouTube and Dailymotion which are not what is needed to prove notability. Mekomo (talk) 06:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Atomas

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Has little reliable source coverage. Only ones I could find were these: [10], [11], [12], [13]. The sources listed do not give significant coverage; therefore, the article's subject fails the GNG. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 06:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaj Entertainment

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Fails WP:GNG. The article has a notability tag since 2015, still no coverage found. WP:ATD: redirect to Business Recorder or Aaj News. Gheus (talk) 06:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Aaj News since both are in broadcasting. The Aaj Entertainment fails WP:GNG to remain as a standalone article. Mekomo (talk) 07:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aaj News: Redirect as per WP:ATD. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Logan (musician)

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Does not meet GNG/V. Appears to be generally self-promo. Has several self-published/social media links, but no reliable sources. Was PRODded ~10 years ago, but tag was improperly removed. Google/Books/News/Archive searches turned up no potential RS. Safrolic (talk) 05:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nothing from secondary sources, all from social media handles. The article only serves to promote the subject. It fails all guidelines. Mekomo (talk) 07:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He's not even the first ghit, and I can't find anything in GNews. Only bluelinks in the article are name drops. Jclemens (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seleke Botsime

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This BLP has no decent sources cited, has been tagged for multiple issues for almost ten years, and my reasonable BEFORE finds nothing directly detailing. Happy to revisit this if sources are found. BusterD (talk) 05:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Only social media posts pop up in before search result. Mekomo (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King (2025)

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Seems to be only referenced with press releases. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or draftify. I expanded the article and in the process, realized that this is still stuck in pre-production. Filming was postponed until January 2025 for whatever reason. Looking at the coverage, it's pretty light all things considered - a lot of it is fairly light and the same content but worded somewhat differently. What I have in the article is kind of what's out there - admittedly the generic title of the film (paired with the lead actor being the Hindi voice of Mufasa in Lion King) makes it kind of difficult to search for sourcing, but I can't really see where it passes NFILM at this point in time. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Churchill Years (audio drama series)

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Fails WP:GNG. Its almost all plot with the only real world info being about the release dates Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish as the natural target (I wonder why this is not already present there). This appears in secondary sources like here and here, so I believe this should have a place on Wikipedia, but I don't think there's enough for a stand-alone article. I wonder why this was brought to AfD rather than being a merge discussion in the first place. Daranios (talk) 12:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pond Life (Doctor Who)

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Fails WP:NTVEP all sources are primary and my before turned up nothing usable Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Doctor Who series 7. That article already has a summary of the plot, and any relevant production and reception information should be added over there; I've expanded a little here, but there's not much. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge any relevant content to the series 7 page. As I said elsewhere, this borderline fails WP:NTV. It's a bit better with the expanded content, but doesn't necessarily appear to be significant enough that it necessitates its own article. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Belize Christian Academy

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. The fact that diplomats have children does not make it relevant. Jinnllee90 (talk) 03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Federal parliamentary republic

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Seems to be a wholly synthetic topic isolating the intersection of Federalism and Parliamentary system for no reason other than it's a phrase often found in infoboxes. There seems to be no discussion of the subject in its own right, and there do not appear to be sources from my checks either. There are likely more than a handful of other articles of this kind. Likely some should be merged somewhere, but the utility of anything seems marginal. Remsense ‥ 论 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Parliamentary republic. There is coverage: [14] [15] and Cheryl Saunders, "Federal Parliamentary Republics" (2021), which is apparently offline. James500 (talk) 08:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Parliamentary republic (with redirect). This is a ~~rare~~ term with less than 150 Google Search results. Yet, these search results include the CIA, which says, without discussion, that Austria, Ethiopia, Germany, India, Iraq, Nepal, Pakistan, Somalia are federal parliamentary republics. The European Union also acknowledges that Germany, a member state, is a federal parliamentary republic. I would suggest that any information that can be reliably sourced should be sent to Parliamentary republic. Only when reliably sourced content becomes too much then we can apply WP:SPINOUT for a separate Federal parliamentary republic article. starship.paint (talk / cont) 02:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Google scholar shows a large number of journal articles using this term to define the government structures of various countries. This is not a made up synthesis but a real and discussed government structure. Likewise, Federal parliamentary republic is used repeatedly in books. If a WP:BEFORE was done, it was not done competently.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @4meter4: - the term is used in journal articles, yes, but it seems that many of these instances are just quick mentions without too much elaboration of the federal parliamentary republic part. It seems that the true focus of the journal articles are some other topic regarding the country (e.g. Medical Student Wellbeing in Nepal) rather than the federal parliamentary republic part, which is simply used to introduce the country. See below. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Examples from Google Scholar ("X is a federal parliamentary republic" ... and soon the topic changes) starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Higher Education Systems and Institutions Ethiopia - Politically, Ethiopia operates a federal parliamentary republic, with nine regional states and with the government’s official name as the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (FDRE). It is the second most populous nation in Africa...
European Pain Management - Germany is governed as a federal parliamentary republic, divided into 16 states. It is a well-developed and stable economy. Life expectancy is currently 77 years for men and 82 years...
Renal Transplantation in Iraq - Iraq is a federal parliamentary republic with nearly 40 million inhabitants; the country consists of 18 governorates with 3 of those constituting the Kurdistan region in the Northern part of the country. Culturally, Iraq has a very rich heritage and celebrates the achievements of its past...
How did European countries set health priorities in response to the COVID-19 threat - Germany / High / Federal parliamentary republic / 83 / 31.9***...
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in Germany - It consists of 16 constituent states, and its political system is a federal parliamentary republic. It is a highly industrialized country, which, like many other developed Western countries...
Analysis of recalling the members of Mongolian Parliament by the voters - 9 Gambia Unitary presidential republic + 10 German Federal parliamentary republic + 11 cuba Unitary Leninist one-party socialist...
Water Resource Status of Pakistan - Pakistan is a federal parliamentary republic consisting of four provinces (Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) and four federal territories. Most of the people believe on Islam (Islam 95-98%, 2-5% Christian, Hinduism and other religions)...
India vs Pakistan An Evaluation of Long-Run Economic Growth - The two countries share the federal parliamentary republic government system, along with a mixed economy. India and Pakistan’s natural resources are also comparable...
Pakistan: a journey of poverty-induced shame - A federal parliamentary republic of over 180 million people, Pakistan has the sixth largest population and 27th largest gross domestic product...
Growing Solutions Through Decades of Droughts - Somalia’s government is a Federal Parliamentary Republic but has recently faced political insatiably and violence (Somalia Country Profile, 2023). Its estimated population is over 17.1 million people...
Medical Student Wellbeing in Nepal - The country has a federal parliamentary republic and is made up of seven provinces (Pradesh) with the nation’s capital located in Kathmandu. The total population is 29675000...

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Moroccan General Labour Union

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Fails WP:GNG/WP:NPROFIT. Cannot find any sourcing that confirms the existence of this trade union other than Facebook. Appears to be a single person as acting as a union. Referred to in a number of locations as "Union générale marocaine du travail" (for example, this Danish trade union report on Morocco, but which cites French Wikipedia as source). I also see some reports referencing the French name, but this has been confused with the long establised UGTM (Union générale des travailleurs du Maroc). I've not been able to do an extensive search in Arabic, but French and English draw blanks. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 00:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Does the organization possibly have a foreign language name(s) that it uses? There are many languages spoken in Morroco with English not being the predominant language. My guess is that locating sources would be under a foreign language title...4meter4 (talk) 04:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All Moroccan unions use Arabic and French. The name in Arabic is: الاتحاد العام المغربي للشغل Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I’ve searched in French and Arabic for the union and its founder. Nothing about the founder, plenty about other unions with similar titles, but nothing about this one. Mccapra (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

btw the UGMT referred to in the Danish report is not the same body. That was founded in 1960 and is notable. Mccapra (talk) 17:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, see page 31 of the Ulandssekretariatet report, citing French Wiki, last entry on the table, it's referring to the UGMT, not the UGTM. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 19:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ticket to Heaven (Thai TV series)

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Non-notable TV series. No independent sources and too soon. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. Pretty much too soon, as it was only just announced, so there won't be any third-party coverage beyond that repeating the announcement. Likely to generate plenty once it's released though. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of transiting exoplanets

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Was a useful list in the past, but it became outdated and is hardly updated. The number of transiting exoplanets has grown massively, so it is nearly impossible to maintain this list. Just to fill up the missing entries it would take a huge effort of many people and months, and given that only 200 people see this list every month this effort would not be rewarded. The Exoplanet Archive already do the job to catalog these planets, making this list useless. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Normally the incompleteness of a list isn't a reason to get rid of it. We have some absurdly long lists in astronomy, and they will never be fully complete. That being said, sites like the Exoplanet Archive are going to be better at processing and maintaining this information. Why do we need to reproduce them? Praemonitus (talk) 07:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, listing only notable entries (that is, with an article). I see no policy-driven deletion reason here. The maintainence argument, which is not a reason to delete, does not hold: if we have articles about these planets, we can include them on a list; the argument would maybe make sense if we needed to include every object discovered by transit, but we don't. The existence of an external website listing such planets has no bearing at all on being the list appropriate for Wikipedia.--cyclopia ^speak! 09:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: (copying my comment from the RV deletion discussion) from a practical standpoint, Wikipedia shouldn't try to replicate massive lists of objects that are better kept elsewhere (e.g. the Exoplanet archive). If we have a page, someone has to maintain it. Better to focus on things where wikipedia is a value add, instead of just trying to be a catalog. - Parejkoj (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it shouldn't try to replicate the Exoplanet archive. But "the same information is elsewhere" is not a cogent argument: all information on Wikipedia is elsewhere almost by definition, since we collect information based on sources. We have different selection criteria to make the list relevant for Wikipedia as, for example, listing only notable entries. We are indeed not a directory, but that is why we have the selection criteria above. cyclopia ^speak! 09:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this list is potentially unbounded, we may want to consider segmenting the list by discovery date. This will make it more manageable, since each date range can become a completed list. A precedent for this is the list of minor planets, since the numbering is approximately chronological by discovery. Praemonitus (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I agree with User:Praemonitus. We could then edit this by segmenting the exoplanets' discovery dates, and it would not be misleading even if it were to be slightly not up to date, and thus buying us time to edit(of course, we would still have to update this list). As for the argument that the same information is found elsewhere, the fact is that you cannot just get to Wikipedia articles on exoplanets simply by clicking links on the Exoplanet Archive. Pygos (talk) 03:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per multiple points of WP:NOT.

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Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. There are multiple books entirely about transiting exoplanets in google books. They are discussed as a group/set in the literature in an in-depth way. I'm not seeing a policy based rationale to delete this article which essentially boils down to the list is incomplete and difficult to maintain. Those are volunteer workforce problems and not problems inherent to the notability of the list itself. Additionally, the list seems to be limited to only those transiting exoplanets to which we have articles which is fine.4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lost in Time (Doctor Who)

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A box set that released various Doctor Who serials that had episodes missing. The article is predominantly uncited and contains almost entirely primary citations, and a brief BEFORE turns up very little outside of watch guides for missing episodes. I can see a redirect to Doctor Who missing episodes as an AtD, but overall this is a largely non-notable DVD box set release not separately notable from the concept of missing episodes. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete per nom; not even significant enough for a redirect. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]
It's not a term that barely anyone would search, but User:Redrose64 has shown it's unique (even though no reliable source mentions that, the uniqueness is evident at a glance). Redirect to Doctor Who missing episodes DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Doctor Who missing episodes, redirects being cheap, and all. While there is obviously no content for a merge here, the "missing episodes" article does very briefly touch on the content of the set. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 10:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Redirects are cheap, but "Lost in Time" is so insignificant, searching for it with Doctor Who appended gives results mostly for the game of the same name(and there are lot of missing episode boxsets, so this isn't special. No need for redirecting. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoctorWhoFan91: This one is special, see my keep !vote below. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This DVD set was unique, as it gathers together in one package all of the odd episodes which couldn't justifiably be released as a single-story DVD. The criterion at the time that it was compiled was that if a story had more than half of its episodes in the BBC archives, it would get a standalone release; if it had 50% or fewer, the episodes went into Lost in Time, together with any associated clips. Also included was all surviving material for those stories where no complete episodes remained. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for mentioning this, as this info is not at either page. Though, is there a reliable source for this? I couldn't find one in a google search. Also, still would not meet WP:GNG, so it should a redirect at best. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 19:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some time between 2004 and 2009, I found that information at one or more of the following - I only recorded access dates for a few of them:
BBC Shop

DVD.CO.UK

Doctor Who on DVD (accessed 2 April 2008)

DVD Times

Find DVD

Doctor Who Restoration Team

Time Rotor Fault Locator (accessed 28 July 2008)

Time Rotor Hidden Danger (accessed 31 July 2008)

The TARDIS Library
All are now dead except the last one. IIRC, the Doctor Who Restoration Team link gave the most comprehensive information, hopefully it's been archived somewhere. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked all of them on the Wayback Machine- a couple are dead, but the ones with archived versions do not mention this info (though looking through the list does make it clear that its true). Doctor Who missing episodes actually does mention it, but its unreferenced. Also, its the only significant bit about it, with all necessary info already at DW missing episodes- a redirect at best. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64 Sure, the release was unique, but being a unique release doesn't automatically indicate a subject is notable standalone. All of your links have been to fan-sites, fan projects, and shopping sites. None of these are reliable, secondary coverage which shows this subject is notable. Regardless of its release status, it needs coverage to justify being a standalone article, and none of that has been shown yet. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found a reliable source for the orphaned episode mention- [16], Lost in Time, a triple DVD set containing ‘orphaned’ episodes from the series. Redrose64 - It's still not enough for a 'keep'. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've got a bit of trouble parsing the meaning, but I think Who's 50 p. 54 backs up the summary of the approach for content selection of these DVDs by Redrose64. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Liz I think the consensus is "Redirect"- I changed my !vote to redirect (prior to the relisting), the nom is fine with a redirect, and Redrose64's !vote does not show it meets WP:GNG, only that it's unique. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Can anyone with more knowledge say if the chapter "Lost in Time" in Alan Kistler's Doctor Who: A History, starting p. 81, refers to this DVD set or not? Daranios (talk) 11:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately not; it's just a two-page subsection of a different chapter. It addresses the missing episodes generally, but not this DVD set. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Doctor Who missing episodes for now: I've seen mentions in a number of secondary sources like The Doctor Who Error Finder, Who's 50, p. 54, Die Dechiffrierung von Helden, p. 155, which would not support a stand-alone article, but would lend themselves to some expansion of the brief mention at the target. Daranios (talk) 11:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:SIGCOV. There is a paragraph on the DVD set in: [17]. There is a lot of coverage sprinkled throughout this academic book: [18] See pages 34, 45, 51, 65, 69, 70, 80, 83, and 98 for coverage of Lost in Time. See pages 13, 15, 42, 45, 57, 64, 68, 69, 71, 72, 82, and 83 for coverage of The Missing Years which was a documentary unique to this DVD set. Pages 81-82 of this book cover this DVD set. There is also coverage in this journal article: [19] 4meter4 (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Through Time is decent, but is written by Andrew Cartmel, a former script editor for the show, so I'm not sure how separate that is from coverage of the program. The Doctor Who Error Finder is primarily trivial mentions; it only refers to the CD as a source for their coverage of missing episodes, and does not actually dictate discussion to the CD that could be considered significant coverage. Doctor Who: A History only briefly mentions the CD; the section "Lost in Time" is used as the name of the section covering missing episodes, and does not focus on the CD bar brief mention of its existence. I can't access the journal; could you get a quote of what mention of Lost in Time it has?

Regardless of the above, none of this really dictates the problem of this being a separately notable subject of Doctor Who missing episodes. Per Wikipedia:NOPAGE, "Sometimes, several related topics, each of them similarly notable, can be collected into a single page, where the relationships between them can be better appreciated than if they were each a separate page." Lost in Time is inherently a missing episodes collection, and all coverage of it is in relation to missing episodes and how to view them. This is inherently a topic that makes more sense covered with the context of the missing episodes and why being able to watch them is important, especially since a lot of the article currently used is inherently about the wider missing episodes topic already covered at the main missing episodes article. What coverage that exists can be merged without issue per Daranios. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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X-parameters

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 01:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WHDT

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 01:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep The 2009 version was unambiguously advertising the station under its debut ownership; this version of the article about a generic Scripps station has removed the tone completely and though there needs some work, the template could have long been removed under looser standards in the past. Nate • (chatter) 01:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see how there can be a "speedy keep" case for content for which a COI tag is still justified after 15 years. There is no indication that this issue is ever going to be fixed. BD2412 T 02:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Speedy keep per @MrSchimpf:. @BD2412: You might want to talk to my friend @Sammi Brie:. She might have suggestions on how to improve the article.
  Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "How to improve the article" misses the point. The article has been tagged a having this specific problem for 2/3 of the life of Wikipedia, and there is no sign that anyone will ever fix it. If it could be fixed, it already would have been. BD2412 T 02:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I disagree with this reasoning, by which we could conclude that there should be no new articles on things which have existed since the advent of Wikipedia or earlier. Deletion is not cleanup, and if the subject is notable, which it seems to be, then it should remain. Keep. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 03:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have tried to bring this article more in line with where it should be based on the sourcing available. WHDT is an odd bird as a digital-only station from the 2000s that got a lot of novelty coverage but turned into a diginet coatrack. Station founder Günter Marksteiner was probably the COI editor in 2009, too (User:Marksteiner). I appreciate the effort to sweep the COI out, but I feel BD2412 should have looked at the article now compared to then and evaluated whether the COI content still impaired the article's reason for existing above and beyond guidelines like notability. This article was already in better shape and on better foundations than many of the other articles recently sent to AfD for the same purpose, whose conditions are truly bordering on unsalvageable. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, article contain suitable sources and doesn't read like an advertisement to me. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: What are you saying?? It looks like a usual American television article. I mean, Sammi Brie makes a good point on the fact that the article which is in AfD is in better shape of condition that articles which are on AfD for the same reason this one is. mer764KC / Cospaw⛲️ (He/Him | 💬Talk! • 📦Contributions) 11:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robotics Design Inc.

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 01:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP (for the time being)- COI hasn't been discussed on the talk page, as the COI box suggests should happen. Greglocock (talk) 03:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PLAY: The Games Festival

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OCEAN Design Research Association

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Miessence

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Delete: I couldn't find any significant coverage which addresses the product line directly and in depth in mutiple reliable sources. TarnishedPath^talk 07:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Eng Holdings

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Bettina Valdorf

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There is no evidence of WP:SIGCOV and after doing a search I could find any additional of coverage in reliable sources. I did find some passing mentions, but nothing in-depth or evidence to prove notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uncharted (EP)

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A contested redirection. The restoring editor claimed that "plenty of coverage exists", but I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing mentions that the EP was released and coverage of the singles released from it, but no in-depth coverage in news articles and more importantly, no reviews from noteworthy sources. While I acknowledge that the release is recent, it also did not chart on any US Billboard charts this week and what it did achieve in the UK chart-wise is fairly insubstantial. Ss112 01:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bolun Shen

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Seems entirely promotional and resume-like Amigao (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Besides being an artist in residence [20], I don't see sourcing we can use. The Ted talk where the photo is from comes up, but that's all. The artist in residence link is primary anyway, so we can't use it. Oaktree b (talk) 01:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep There are at least three sources:

https://theinitium.com/zh-hans/article/20150831-mainland-unmarried-mother is an article about his personal life, but contains key biographical details
https://zqb.cyol.com/html/2015-10/21/nw.D110000zgqnb_20151021_1-12.htm is a profile of him from China Youth Daily
https://cn.nytimes.com/culture/20150526/tc26box/ a NYT China profile along with an interview. I understand that interview articles can be controversial but this is from a reputable paper, and the profile information at top is quite substantive and would support much of the article content

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Irish Road Haulage Association

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Non-notable lobbying/representative organisation. WP:NORG and WP:SIGCOV are not met. This article was created in 2005 (by a single-purpose contributor) with short and clearly promotional text. It was expanded in 2006 (again by a single-purpose contributor) with more quasi-promotional content taken verbatim from the "about" page of the org's own website. While I've removed much of this promotional/copyvio content, I cannot find sufficient independent/reliable/verifiable sources to replace it. Or to expand this sub-stub beyond what we have. Almost all of the coverage I can find is of lobbying statements BY the association. Which includes reports like this or this or this. Being coverage of statements BY the association and not ABOUT the association. And not meeting a WP:SIRS check. In terms of coverage ABOUT the association, all I can find is stuff like this in industry outlets. Or this in local papers. None of which amounts to in-depth/significant/independent coverage. I cannot, for example, find any sources (primary or otherwise) to establish how many members the association has, or (non-primary) sources to support the text about its branches, etc. If there are insufficient independent sources to establish even basic facts (or allow for expansion beyond short text we've had for nearly 20 years) how is WP:ORGDEPTH is met? Guliolopez (talk) 15:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment/Leaning towards Keep - I would be wary/reticent to delete this article rather than expand it. Verona Murphy was President of IRHA for a significant amount of time, and holding that position helped launch her political career. When Murphy became a TD, that expanded the media's coverage of the IRHA and the role became considered a bit more notable, similar to how a trade union might become highlighted if someone associated with them gained political office.

You've raised the concern that

Almost all of the coverage I can find is of lobbying statements BY the association

however I don't know that this is anything other than what we would expect. Secondary, reliable sources such as national newspapers would only ever cover an organisation such as this when it is making statements of that nature. The same would go for a trade union or farmer's representative body. I would lean towards those reports, by very reliable sources such as the Irish Times and RTÉ News, as examples of SIGCOV. We wouldn't expect national news sources to do a simple puff piece profile of any organisation where they simply inform us of their purpose and membership number. I think reliable sources covering small trade unions, for example, would not anyways dwell on their membership numbers, but nonetheless those unions would hold some significant.

Another concern raised is that the article was likely promotional in origin, and has not been edited regularly. While both of these are unfortunate, the article starting as promotion but then being fixed is not anymore automatically disqualifying than if Coca Cola's article had first been created by someone doing promotional style writing. While's is bad practice, ultimately Coca Cola would be notable and kept as an article regards of how the article originally started. As far as the lack of regular editing goes; one can reasonably argue and point out that this is typical of less prominent Irish articles. With Ireland's small population, and small body of regular Wiki editors, it is not always the case that lack of editing reflects lack of notability.

I just want to note at this point I'm playing Devil Advocate here rather than having any significant personal interest in the article. I would be interested in seeing the perspectives of other editors on this matter. CeltBrowne (talk) 09:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. With thanks for your input (and likely coming as no surprise) I can't personally agree. That Verona Murphy was previously president of the organisation, to my mind, falls under WP:NOTINHERITED (that the organisation had a notable president doesn't make the organisation notable). That newspapers only really cover statements by the organisation (rather than the organisation itself) is exactly the type of concern covered in WP:SIRS and WP:ORGDEPTH (that the article cannot be expanded, because there are no independent/reliable sources to do so, is a core tenet of the guideline). Also, and with apologies if it wasn't clear in my nomination, that the original article was promotional (or that it was created by a possibly COI/SPA contributor) wasn't offered as part of my deletion rationale. Just as background. (I have personally "rescued" more than a few promotional (but otherwise notable) org articles as part of WP:BEFORE and AfD efforts. I do not see how that can be done here however. As there is nothing to rely upon to "rescue" this permastub. If you're aware of reliable/independent sources that can help expand it, then please do add them.) Guliolopez (talk) 13:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - well, a weak delete. There's lots of stuff out there on this industry group in a WP:BEFORE search. I didn't see anything which was a crystal clear WP:NORG pass, and it's likely our strictest guideline, so I can't vote for a keep. However, if someone wants to improve this - currently it's a stub with only one source that isn't the org's website - and can find NCORP sources, I have no problem if this is HEYed or re-written. SportingFlyer T·C 06:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In doing a WP:BEFORE search there are a good number of books with coverage of this organization.4meter4 (talk) 18:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Can you confirm what books cover or mention the association. I ask because, in my own WP:BEFORE, I could find no books about (or even partially about) the org. The only book results I could find were in The Law of Companies (Courtney, 2017), Contract Law for Students (Forde, 2021) and Commercial Law (Forde, 2021). Each of which are legal text books which afford a few lines to the same legal case. McMahon v Irish Road Haulage Association. Which involved a precedential ruling that "where terms are implied into an organisation's constitution, they are also implied into a statutory contract". But these mentions do not add-up to SIGCOV for the organisation itself. Or allow for the article to be materially expanded. Certainly I couldn't materially expand the article based on these mentions. The only other results, from my own book search, were in directory-style works (like Ireland, a Directory; 2003). Are there any book sources which discuss the org in any depth? (Its history, foundation, operation, etc?) I certainly couldn't find any.... Guliolopez (talk) 10:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doug Drysdale

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Mildly WP:PROMO bio of a non-notable businessman. Despite being a WP:REFBOMB, the sources do not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. They are limited to:

Routine news in WP:TRADES publications ([21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26])
Press releases ([27])
WP:PRIMARYSOURCE Q&A interviews/speaker bios ([28], [29], [30], [31])
A WP:FORBES "contributor" post (i.e., not reliable) and a "citizen contributor" (i.e. unedited blogger) post on a local news site.
And finally, a promotional profile on a website whose stated purpose is promoting the success of executives and their diverse team of business partners and thus not independent.

I didn't find anything else qualifying in the WP:BEFORE search. I also checked on the statement that he won an EY Entrepreneur of the Year Award, which might meet WP:ANYBIO#1, but it turns out he won a New Jersey region EY award (source) Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bank charge

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A dictionary definition with only one source, discussing a particular controversy apparently already covered at Overdraft fee. The general topic of all charges made by banks its better at Bank or Overdraft fee; a general discussion of all fees possibly charged by banks would be a discussing of the economic model of banking, which would be better at Bank. Mrfoogles (talk) 00:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Bank and/or Fee. Although, I'm somewhat astonished that this article doesn't exist, but from looking, it seems like it was drastically reduced in article size due to OR[32]. The related topic of Bank fee redirects to a small section on Fee, but could equally fit over at Bank. TiggerJay (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say Fee now that you suggest it. This mostly works as a sort of summary of the articles on individual fees -- it works as a few paragraphs in the Fee article, assuming citations can be found. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and expand, possibly rename Bank fees. These fees are regulated and sometimes controversial. See for example the Roosevelt Institute article The Business of Bank Fees, How to Avoid Bank Fees (American Bankers Association), Bank Fees: Federal Banking Regulators Could Better Ensure That Consumers Have Required Disclosure Documents Prior to Opening Checking or Savings Accounts (Government Accountability Office), Bank Fees in Australia (Reserve Bank of Australia). Clarityfiend (talk) 12:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files

File:Donato Francis Pangilinan8.jpg

Copyright status of this portrait needs to be determined if this is free in the Philippines (if so, this can also be free in the U.S.). While U.S. copyright law is lenient on commercial exploitations of architectures, it is not in terms of artistic works. This painting, if found to be copyrighted and pre-1977, may be unfree in the U.S. for 95 years after first publication (the U.S. copyright term for pre-1977 non-American works is longer than the Philippine term which is only 50 years). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: in the description I expressed my uncertaintyamid the officers believed it is too old "I am not sure if the photo is very very old, since the OIC of the Building says it dates back to 1965, taken from the old town hall; for caution, there is also no freedom of panorama in the Philippines copyright law permitting free commercial uses of peoples' images of modern architectural and public art works without the need of licensing permissions from the architects and sculptors or their heirs." therefore I submit to the options of admins as far as US laws are concerned thank you very truly yours Valenzuela400 (talk) 07:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
@Valenzuela400: The photo you took isn't really the problem here, unless you really didn't take it yourself. The problem has to do with painting you photographed and it's copyright status. Assuming you're not the artist who painted that painting, you have no claim of copyright over it; so, the license you've decided to use for your photo doesn't apply to it. Your photo is essentially a WP:Derivative work which means that there are two copyrights to consider: the copyright of the photo and the copyright of the photographed painting. It's the latter copyright that JWilz12345 is asking about. For reference, there's no automatic freedom of panorama for 2D works of art (even publicly displayed ones) under current US copyright law as explained in c:COM:FOP US. So, Wikipedia might need to treat the painting itself as non-free content, which means the file's use will be subject to Wikipedia's non-free content use policy because it isn't 100% freely licensed content. Given the way the file is being used in Santo Tomas, Pampanga#Gallery, there's pretty much no way to justify the non-free use of this file and it will most likely end up deleted if it needs to be treated as non-free. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tan Jianci wikipedia.jpg

Reverse image search shows multiple versions of this photo along with others in a presumed photoshoot. Results go back to 2022, presumed copyvio. Kline • talk • contribs 02:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:@Kline: For future reference, when you come across a file that's missing source information and a copyright license like this one, there's really no need to start a discussion about here at FFD. Such files can be tagged for speedy deletion per WP:F4. In addition, when you come across a file like this which you reasonably expect to be a copyright violation after doing some digging, you can tag the file for speedy deletion per WP:F9. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marchjuly Oh, thanks. I don't know anything about file CSD reasons so this helps. Kline • talk • contribs 13:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Chatime shop8.jpg

Probable derivative work issue of the menu display. If this is OK, this should be transferred to Wikimedia Commons. If not, this must be deleted even on enwiki. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : I think next time I will take a farther distance from the menus and the like such as those in Chatime shops thank you very truly yours Valenzuela400 (talk) 07:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

File:San Fernando, Pampanga City1.jpg

Likely copyrighted parols as copyrightable works of craftsmanship. May not be free in the U.S.. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:San Fernando, Pampanga City3.jpg

Likely copyrighted parols as copyrightable works of craftsmanship. May not be free in the U.S.. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : I think next time I will take a farther distance from the crafts and the like some of those approved photos in Category:Parols thank you very truly yours Valenzuela400 (talk) 07:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Valenzuela400 sorry, but being "farther" is not enough. There is no concept of "de minimis" here in the Philippines, and even then, incidental appearances of copyrighted works are infringements in accordance with IPOPHL's opinion on FoP absence in the Philippines. But even if FoP becomes introduced here, parols are typically temporary in nature, so not eligible. Best option is to be more discriminative on what to upload here on enwiki. Buildings OK, but many recent public and national monuments, handicrafts, crafts like parols, and other artistic works, not OK. Even if FoP becomes implemented in the Philippines, only – at most – 90% of public artworks and of the Philippines will become eligible for Wikimedia sites, the 10% (including parols) may not be eligible. Including temporary works in the future FoP (like parols) may lead to backlash of artists vs. Wikimedia world. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Zamboanga Peninsula Medical Center, Putik, Zamboanga City.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Missed the transmission code, Speedy deleted, CSD G7 IronGargoyle (talk) 03:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likely problematic image that came from Facebook, see my comments at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Zamboanga Peninsula Medical Center, Putik, Zamboanga City.jpg. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Yes Minister - Thatcher sketch.jpg

The file is a photo showing Margaret Thatcher performing in a Yes Minister sketch. The event is well described in text under Yes Minister#Reception, and the image only serves as an extra illustration of "Thatcher performed in a YM sketch in 1984". It's omission would not be detrimental to the reader's understanding. The file therefore violates WP:NFCC#8, and should be deleted. 廣九直通車 (talk) 08:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Minecraft text.png

File:Minecraft_Logo-en.svg, a simpler version of this same 3D logo without the fractures and shading effect, is considered to be copyrighted. Belbury (talk) 12:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

Mex-Mex

Mex-Mex → Mexican cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

obscure synonym. results gave me sneks (really cute ones at that), keyboards, and assorted restaurant names. as noted in the creation, an explanation is provided in tex-mex cuisine in houston, though in passing, and i don't think it'd be better off retargeted there. as is, it might be a somewhat plausible misremembering of tex-mex, but i'm not really too keen on that cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oberon in fiction

Oberon in fiction → Uranus in fiction#Moons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny country

Sunny country → Desert (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

what? originally redirected to sahara, but... the sun shines on at least two other countries. maybe even more, i'm not entirely sure about brazil. i think the creator realized a little too late that sahara wasn't a country cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

right, yeah, should note. results gave me stock photos, some aggressively american radio station, and poorly resized images of sonic the hedgehog. not in that list are deserts cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 2017 bridge incident

September 2017 bridge incident → PewDiePie#2017–2018: media controversies, streaming, and formatted shows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No clue what this is supposed to mean in context to the target. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 06:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This refers to the PUBG Battlegrounds racial slur incident described in the fourth paragraph, which became known in internet lore as "the bridge incident" ([34]). However it's fairly obscure (when we take into account WP:SYSTEMICBIAS) and an even more obscure search term for it. Retarget to 2017 Mumbai stampede, a disaster that occurred in September 2017 on an overcrowded footbridge, with multiple fatalities. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unlikely search term for the stampede. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. on the vague side, even if i know exactly what it's supposed to mean in the context of the target cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

⚭/equaric unicodes

⚣ → Gay men (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
⚢ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

anon IP changed status quo of the Achillean/gay symbol. But the gay men and lesbian pages don't mention the unicodess specifically, only the image. Also that also means sapphism in general. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 1st, Retarget 2nd to Lesbian I see that lesbianism is the primary subject to the second and the first redirects to the primary subject. Kolano123 (talk) 19:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would also be consistent with ⚤. I also noticed that ⚣ never had the current target before, but the gay men page didn't exist when it was created. They were retargeted two times by Leif Runenritzer and Kwamikagami. Also @Gaismagorm: Any comment? --MikutoH ^talk! 03:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly I'd say Keep second and Retarget first to LGBTQ symbols since I feel like nobody is gonna be searching up the unicode symbol and looking for the article on gay men or lesbian, and instead will likely be looking for info on the symbol itself. Gaismagorm (talk) 11:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cilla Single

Cilla Single → Benjamin Franklin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

~~Can't find where Ben Frank ever used this as a pseudonym. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)~~ — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs). [reply]

Unsure at the moment. A Google search for this term doesn't bring up anything showing how it's related Benjamin Franklin (neither does one for both this term and "Benjamin Franklin"), and mostly talks about stuff relating to Cilla Black or Cilla The Musical. I'm not sure of the connection either, but Rich Farmbrough, who created this redirect, might know. Regards, SONIC 678 01:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can't find a shred of evidence that this name has any association to the target whatsoever. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've added a reference to the redirect. Ben Franklin had a lot of pen names, as did Daniel Defoe. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 19:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Which I've reverted, since you removed the RFD tag, and it should be either here or on the talk page of the redirect, or both. I did check it, and there's no mention on the page you gave, but there is a few pages later. It's a single bare listing, with no context or corroboration. Given that no one else has been able to able to verify this, I'm dubious of the reliability of the source, and if nothing else, the usefulness. Furthermore, given how many other entries from this book you've created, it would seem to be a mass creation in violation of your current editing restrictions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is not a mass creation contrary to Rich's editing restrictions. @35.139.154.158: your repeated references to Rich's restrictions where they definitely don't apply is bordering on harassment at this point. Knock it off.

Rich, adding references to redirects is odd, readers typically don't see the content of redirects. Is there a way to add this information to the article instead? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, fine. My points about the redirect itself though still stand. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reference is not for readers, it's for RfD regulars. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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Benjamin Franklin (swim coach)

Benjamin Franklin (swim coach) → Benjamin Franklin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

~~HUH??? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)~~ — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs). [reply]

It's true Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add a mention to "Interests and Activities" section and redirect there. There are surprising amount of literature on this. Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Even if true, and even if mentioned, having a disambiguator like that is needlessly silly and pointless, since that's not what he's known for, and makes it sound like the disambiguator is there to distinguish someone else of the same name, notable for a different reason. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
cf. Benjamin Franklin (clergyman) (which is someone else), vs. Benjamin Franklin (statesman) (which is not, so there's no such link) 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Readers might be looking for content about Franklin as a swim coach. Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If they are, then they'd probably just go to the page and ctrl+f swimming, rather than enter an implausible disambiguator in their search. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Refine to Benjamin Franklin#Interests and activities and add a mention there per Ca's findings and some of my own. People might be interested in finding out his endeavors as a swim coach in addition to his other ones, and there's a lot of literature to back this up. Regards, SONIC 678 06:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a misuse of a disambguator; see WP:DAB, which explains the purpose is to differentiate articles. If someone wants to know about a particular aspect of BF's life, they'll just look up the article on BF; no one's going to type in a random disambiguator on the off chance it'll save them a ctrl-F or a few spins of the scroll wheel. And again, the existence of this is misleading, as it seems to imply that it's for a different person of the same name, rather than the extremely well known PTOPIC. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 06:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 35.139.154.158. Not what redirects are for. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 AP Poll

2024 AP Poll → 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football rankings#AP Poll (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems ambigous but I'm not totally sure what would be a better target. Could refer to 2024–25 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings, 2024–25 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings. But college football is the only one that only uses 2024. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unmentioned Pikmin 2 caves

Hole of Heroes → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Glutton's Kitchen → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Submerged Castle → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These caves aren't mentioned in the target article (and weren't at the time the Hole of Heroes one, which was always a redirect, was created). As for the other two, they began as articles on their respective caves (see here and here for what the articles looked like before they were turned into redirects) until Combination redirected them to the main article in November 2006 (when they actually were mentioned before Abryn removed them with this edit in October 2008 to trim down the page) because, in their summary for the Submerged Castle one, there [was] absolutely no reason for this to be kept separate from the Pikmin 2 article. Unlike Dream Den, which is worth keeping because that cave actually is mentioned in the article and has plot relevance, I'm not sure we need to keep these redirects when their respective caves aren't mentioned in the target article. Regards, SONIC 678 01:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DuPage 3

DuPage 3 → DuPage County, Illinois (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Du Page 3 → DuPage County, Illinois (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Group of neighborhoods previously WP:BLARd no longer mentioned in target article. Delete unless it is mentioned somewhere else. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Maybe Illinois = Ill = III = 3? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
No, this is from the article before the merger: The Du Page 3 refers to the Chicago suburbs of Burr Ridge, Hinsdale, and Oak Brook. Not mentioned in the article. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank Goodness

Thank Goodness → Wicked (musical) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

~~Isn't that a bit too vague to be specific too a play? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)~~ — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs). [reply]

Delete per nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 01:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to wikt:thank goodness. Web-julio (talk) 02:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep since it's capitalized and actually a title mentioned at the target. I'd be surprised if this weren't the title of anything else, in which case a dab might be appropriate, but I didn't find anything after a quick search. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keeep per 35. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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retarget to wiktionary. not entirely sure how popular wicked is, but i am sure it's not popular enough to be the primary topic for a term like this. results mostly gave me thank goodness you're here cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athletic Field (Seattle)

Athletic Field (Seattle) → Championship Field (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ambiguous title which does not have any mention at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules

Template:GUAM Leaders

Template:GUAM Leaders (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

GUAM is an inactive organization. It simply doesn't matter today. It is not talked about in the news. Countries in it have diverging geopolitical priorities. I don't think we need this navbox listing four people, some of which haven't really ever interacted with this organization since they took office, I can't see much use for it. And the bottom of the articles of Maia Sandu, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Ilham Aliyev are already bloated with enough navboxes. Super Ψ Dro 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1972

Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1972 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1973 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1974 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1975 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1976 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1977 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1978 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused copy/paste without attribution duplicate of Template:1972 railway accidents, Template:1973 railway accidents, Template:1974 railway accidents, Template:1975 railway accidents, Template:1976 railway accidents, Template:1977 railway accidents, and Template:1978 railway accidents . Gonnym (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – 'Railway accidents and incidents in xxxx' is the format currently accepted within Wikiproject Trains for these templates, as opposed to the old 'xxxx railway accidents' format. However, all existing 'Railway accidents and incidents in xxxx' (about forty of them, from 1972 to 2022 or so) were erroneously created as copy-paste from the old templates, instead of the old templates being moved to the new title. I'm not sure what's the best way to tidy this up. All years before 1972 will now be done the proper way; for later years' templates I suppose some admin action is required to sort them out. --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
History merge is needed for those that aren't tagged here. These can be deleted and then the current one moved. Gonnym (talk) 12:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's not that the template content is the same between old and new templates (I'm talking about template years 1979-2022): the content has been reformatted to make it neater and more legible, which was the main idea behind the migration from the old style templates to the new ones. The content of the new templates should be preserved; only the histories should be merged. --Deeday-UK (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, including history where possible. See also User talk:The Emperor of Byzantium#Railway accidents and incidents in 1979. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the new ones, which have no significant history. If there is a new consensus name, the existing templates can be moved to the new name(s). – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not that simple, it's not just a case of WP:CUTPASTE: the old template's content was reformatted and then put into the new templates, giving a neater and more legible layout based on the {{vad}} template. Deleting the new templates would wipe out a lot of good reformatting work that was indeed backed by project consensus on both the new template's name and its new layout. I'd be happy to do the work required to sort out this cock-up (since I did most of the aforementioned reformatting work), although I'm not an admin (nor do I aspire to become one), so I'm a bit limited in what I can help with. --Deeday-UK (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – To clarify the work that was done here: compare the old template for the year 2002 with the new one. It's not just that the name has changed; the content is significantly different (and is laid out in a much improved format in the new template). Any action intended to restore the full template history should ensure that the current content is preserved. --Deeday-UK (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Cinema chains in Canada

Template:Cinema chains in Canada (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox template with only one item in it. As always, the purpose of navboxes is to navigate between related articles, so a navbox serves no purpose if there's only one thing in it. Bearcat (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The related category has more entries, but it's neither's the nominator's or other editors' job, to fix or transclude navigation templates that the creator of the template didn't care enough to do. Gonnym (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've added articles to it per the ones found in Category:Movie theatre chains in Canada and added it to one article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Wikispecies redirect

Template:Wikispecies redirect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

I start from the philosophical perspective that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we should therefore make use of the sister projects when they help us build a better encyclopedia, but that otherwise we should give them no special preference over any other content anywhere else on the internet.

This template was boldly created in 2017 without a larger discussion (or at least nothing was mentioned in the edit summaries). It takes a similar form to the much more widely used {{Wiktionary redirect}}. However, unlike Wiktionary redirect, which helps us provide information readers searching for terms that would never warrant an article, Wikispecies redirect functions more like a loophole in our notability guideline. The vast majority of its uses are for biologists that would not be notable for an article.

We have notability standards to constrain the size of the encyclopedia and reduce the maintenance burden, and I do not see a reason that we should carve out an exception for biologists just because our parent organization also happens to run a non-encyclopedia project that — unlike us — finds it appropriate to create a database of biologists. Such an exception opens some floodgates: If the WMF created, say, a Wikipaintings project that had a database of all visual artists without a notability bar, would we want soft redirects there? How about soft redirects to any concept with a Wikidata item? Or let's say we find a highly reliable non-WMF database of musicians — why not create soft redirects there for all musicians that can't survive AfD?

Either a biologist is notable and should have an article, or they are not and should not be included in Wikipedia. The only redirect in the latter case should be "go search the internet". Sdkb ^talk 00:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - The plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (along the lines of the sentiment expressed at WP:SOFTSP). This allows such redirects to exist until the community decides whether or not they should through deletion or discussion venues. See, for example, this deletion discussion; there were no uses or foreseen uses, so the template was deleted. Should the community decide that a link to meta was necessary, it would likely be restored. This is an example of it going the other way. Even if the regular soft redirect template was technically disallowed from being invoked into the mainspace, attempts at it would lead to disarray -- at the bare minimum, this serves to plug such holes until the community makes a decision about retention or deletion.

We must also remember that the general rule for the creation of a soft sister redirect is for a topic to have a less-than-encyclopedic scope and be either commonly wikified words or repeatedly recreated (WP:SRD and Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects#Soft redirects from Wikipedia to a sister project). At least some of the scientist soft redirects that use this template probably have several wikilinks on other pages in the encyclopedia (but, regardless, that is an individual case matter for rfd). — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This allows such redirects to exist until the community decides whether or not they should through deletion or discussion venues. This is a discussion venue, and I'm using it to start a discussion about whether this template should exist or not. Sdkb ^talk 05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep Wrong venue. Nominate the redirects that use this at RfD, not the template. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery, my argument is that this template has no valid use case, so this is the intended venue. Sdkb ^talk 05:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument is fundamentally about the merits of redirects, not templates. Suppose this were closed as delete. The template couldn't be deleted without orphaning it. The redirects that use the template couldn't be deleted without a discussion at RfD since TfD has no authority to delete redirects (other than those pointing to templates it deletes). So what would happen? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a template that is used to categorize redirects; an example usage is a page like this. If this is closed as delete, these pages would be blanked and then eligible for deletion under {{db-blanked}} or another criterion. I'm not sure TfD has authority over soft redirects.

Overall, this seems the most appropriate venue. If you're concerned about visibility, I can put notices on WT:Redirects or one of the village pumps. Sdkb ^talk 05:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My concern isn't visibility. My concern is jurisdiction. What you're really asking is to delete a bunch of redirects, including ones that previously survived RfD. And this TfD would do that by the back door. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And my concern is WP:BURO. If you'd like to move the nomination to somewhere you consider more appropriate, go ahead. Otherwise, we'll consider it here. Sdkb ^talk 06:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In general, RfD is the best venue to discuss redirects. So I suggest this nomination – which is really about redirects, not a template – should head over thataway. J 947 ‡ ^edits 07:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing a lot of these while linking up new enwiki pages to Wikidata. There are a number that have articles on other Wikipedias, which might be worth investigating. For others, the wikispecies articles might provide interesting bases for new enwiki articles. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Wikibooks redirect

Template:Wikibooks redirect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template has been around since 2017 but has only 6 mainspace transclusions, so it has never caught on. It has a theoretical use for book titles that are not notable for an encyclopedia article, but in that case, a corollary of the notability backdoor argument I made about {{Wikispecies redirect}} applies. Sdkb ^talk 00:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - The plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (along the lines of the sentiment expressed at WP:SOFTSP). This allows such redirects to exist until the community decides whether or not they should through deletion or discussion venues. See, for example, this deletion discussion; there were no uses or foreseen uses, so the template was deleted. Should the community decide that a link to meta was necessary, it would likely be restored. This is an example of it going the other way. Even if the regular soft redirect template was technically disallowed from being invoked into the mainspace, attempts at it would lead to disarray -- at the bare minimum, this serves to plug such holes until the community makes a decision about retention or deletion. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep Wrong venue. Nominate the redirects that use this at RfD, not the template. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery, my argument is that this template has no valid use case, so this is the intended venue. Sdkb ^talk 05:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Wikimedia Commons redirect

Template:Wikimedia Commons redirect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template has been around since 2017 but has only 7 mainspace transclusions, so it has never meaningfully caught on. I'm not sure what sort of title it would be used for — perhaps a name of a photo that's somehow famous enough that people might reasonably search for it but not famous enough to be notable? In that case, I'd find it inappropriate, per a corollary of the notability backdoor argument I made about {{Wikispecies redirect}}. Sdkb ^talk 00:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~strong~~ Keep - The plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (along the lines of the sentiment expressed at WP:SOFTSP). This allows such redirects to exist until the community decides whether or not they should through deletion or discussion venues. See, for example, this deletion discussion; there were no uses or foreseen uses, so the template was deleted. Should the community decide that a link to meta was necessary, it would likely be restored. This is an example of it going the other way. Even if the regular soft redirect template was technically disallowed from being invoked into the mainspace, attempts at it would lead to disarray -- at the bare minimum, this serves to plug such holes until the community makes a decision about retention or deletion. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep Wrong venue. Nominate the redirects that use this at RfD, not the template. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery, my argument is that this template has no valid use case, so this is the intended venue. Sdkb ^talk 05:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: In all cases where this was used in mainspace, there was an appropriate redirect in mainspace, so I've re-targeted these.[35][36][37][38][39][40][41] Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted some of them slightly, but those all seem like great local targets! It may now be appropriate to consider the deletion of this orphaned template; however, it would need to be restored if the community ever decided it was appropriate to target something to this sister site through a discussion at RfD (bar a blanket community prohibition against it and as the regular soft redirect template is not used in the mainspace). It must be pointed out that deleting this actually causes more potential maintenance for the community than keeping it. The template is very stable and requires little maintenance. Generally, when a redirect is created to commons it is as a hard redirect (or regular soft redirect). A bot converts the former (to regular soft redirects) while human hands convert the latter. If this is not available as a solution, then every one must either be targeted locally or listed at redirects for discussion (as when people create a soft redirect to a foreign language wiki). Thus, it reduces the workload to retain this in the event it becomes useful—which is why I am still, albeit less-adamantly, in the keep camp. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Archive-index

Template:Archive-index (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template is only used on a handful of manually-curated archive indexes. It can be replaced with {{archive|type=index}}. Something similar was suggested at the previous merge discussion several years back but not implemented. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why’s this still here? It’s a McMenamin taxon, that probably speaks for itself. Although, as the Muzaffarabadmachli draft deletion is still indecisive…IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 12:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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