Lest we forget.
Sep. 11th, 2008 10:58 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Seven years ago, about 3000 people died in a terrorist attack in the United States. Ever since, at least 87,000 civilians have died in Iraq in a war that the US started as a misguided attempt at retaliation or a cleverly calculated use of pretext. The war has met with little domestic protest, and in 2004, those who thought it was at least a little bit important to stop it failed to gather enough of a majority to elect a president who cared at least a little about ending the killing.
But let us put aside our past failures. This year, we have a chance to redeem ourselves. It would be wrong to say that anyone has absolute confidence that Barack Obama can or will end the war, but he is at least unbeholden to the corporate interests that keep the war going. And thus, we have no reason to believe he won't make a good-faith effort to stop the killing.
This is an area of moral certainty. If you're American, are you going to do everything you can to elect a leader who will shift our resources away from killing foreigners and back to healing our sick, employing our unemployed, cleaning our environment? Or are you going to assume that history is something that other people make and politics is other people's problem?
This is not the year for namby-pamby platitudes about how you should support whichever candidate makes you feel the warmest and fuzziest inside. If you're American, and you're not giving your time to talk to your fellow Americans about why they should support Barack Obama, then -- in a far inferior tack, but one suitable for those with crippling social anxiety or without physical energy -- you can at least write a check. If you can't write a check, and can't talk to people, then [nondenominational-deity] bless you. I'm guessing that's not so for most people reading this.
If you were going to tell me I should leave my politics out of this day, then don't. Leaving my politics out of it means leaving my politics out of it so that there's more room for your politics to fit into it.
To those of you who are eligible to vote in the United States: Nonvoters, McCain voters, I'm not asking you to defend yourselves and so I don't need to hear your defenses. Please, just go sit in the corner for a while and think about why you hate your country so much.
But let us put aside our past failures. This year, we have a chance to redeem ourselves. It would be wrong to say that anyone has absolute confidence that Barack Obama can or will end the war, but he is at least unbeholden to the corporate interests that keep the war going. And thus, we have no reason to believe he won't make a good-faith effort to stop the killing.
This is an area of moral certainty. If you're American, are you going to do everything you can to elect a leader who will shift our resources away from killing foreigners and back to healing our sick, employing our unemployed, cleaning our environment? Or are you going to assume that history is something that other people make and politics is other people's problem?
This is not the year for namby-pamby platitudes about how you should support whichever candidate makes you feel the warmest and fuzziest inside. If you're American, and you're not giving your time to talk to your fellow Americans about why they should support Barack Obama, then -- in a far inferior tack, but one suitable for those with crippling social anxiety or without physical energy -- you can at least write a check. If you can't write a check, and can't talk to people, then [nondenominational-deity] bless you. I'm guessing that's not so for most people reading this.
If you were going to tell me I should leave my politics out of this day, then don't. Leaving my politics out of it means leaving my politics out of it so that there's more room for your politics to fit into it.
To those of you who are eligible to vote in the United States: Nonvoters, McCain voters, I'm not asking you to defend yourselves and so I don't need to hear your defenses. Please, just go sit in the corner for a while and think about why you hate your country so much.
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Date: 2008-09-11 06:29 pm (UTC)It was well-written enough that I scrolled down to look for such an attribution.
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Date: 2008-09-11 09:57 pm (UTC)NAMBLA and other things
Date: 2008-09-11 07:07 pm (UTC)OT: The first thing that came to mind after the phrase "namby-pamby" was the organization called NAMBLA (http://www.nambla.org/). Don't ask me how I actually know about it.
Back on topic: Nice statement. I agree that Obama is the lesser evil of the two. I just hope he and congress actually do something constructive.
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Date: 2008-09-11 07:12 pm (UTC)I don't know that Obama is evil at all, actually, because if there was any dirt on him, the other guys would have brought it up by now. The only thing I can think of is rubbing shoulders with homophobes, but well... if that's the worst thing, he's doing pretty well, right?
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Date: 2008-09-11 07:13 pm (UTC)Can we banish them all to the actual corner of the country? (By which I mean Alaska.)
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Date: 2008-09-11 07:15 pm (UTC)FLORIDA.
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Date: 2008-09-11 07:14 pm (UTC)I lack moral certainty. I fear that leaving Iraq will result in more civilian deaths than staying there. (We shouldn't have gone in in the first place, but that's a done deal.)
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Date: 2008-09-11 09:51 pm (UTC)Now, it's my opinion that most of this thinking is a combination of over-simplification, self-delusion, and utter bunk, but I do think it's the most convincing description of events, such that we do not need to turn to reflexive leftist anti-corporatism and conspiracy-mongering. Were there politicians who went along with the war because they believed that a major war effort would contribute to their local economies?
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Date: 2008-09-11 09:54 pm (UTC)Were there politicians who went along with the war because they believed that a major war effort would contribute to their local economies? Yeah, no question. Were there politicians who did it out of outright corruption? Almost certainly. But pretending that our political enemies are inherently corrupt because some of them might be is just hopelessly naïve.
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Date: 2008-09-11 09:55 pm (UTC)I don't see how there couldn't be. Sure, neocons have all kind of wack-ass beliefs and have the ear of the current administration, but I don't quite believe it's about pure ideology here, any more than I believe the 9/11 attacks were about pure religion. War is good for business, it always has been, and you don't need any conspiracy theories to see how much power defense contractors have and how hard it is to disentangle them from the government itself -- if there's even any difference anymore.
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Date: 2008-09-12 02:59 am (UTC)Or those of us who have reached the point where they cannot discuss the election with any undecided voter without frothing at the mouth and screaming "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING YOU MORON" or similar...
That said, you've inspired me to throw another check at the Obama campaign. Thanks for the reminder. :)
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Date: 2008-09-12 03:08 am (UTC)I think reading Jonathon Kozol (is that his name?) is good for you and your writing.
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Date: 2008-09-12 05:50 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-09-12 07:51 am (UTC)First of all, you're using the Lancet figures, which are BS.
Secondly, you're assuming that everyone who die in Iraq who isn't a US or Iraqi serviceman is a "civilian." You are, in short, ignoring the fact that some are enemy fighters.
Thirdly, you're assuming that every one of these deaths is caused by US action. Don't the terrorists ever kill anyone?
Finally, you're ignoring the fact that Saddam broke every term of the truce that ended the Gulf War, which is why we invaded Iraq in 2003.
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Date: 2008-09-17 01:23 am (UTC)Comment 103
Date: 2008-09-13 05:06 pm (UTC)Good luck in your efforts with the Obama campaign. I didn't vote for him in the primary, however I will be voting for him in the general election.
As a kind of off-side addendum, there are a lot of reasons that someone would be willing to cast their vote for Obama, but not work for his campaign - especially in the Pacific NW. The Presidential election is 50 separate elections, which I'm sure you knew. All of the polling data I have read indicates that Obama has Oregon, Washington and California in his pocket safely.
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Date: 2008-09-13 07:55 pm (UTC)Heh, well, that's why you go to another state to campaign :-) (I realize most people can't do that, though.) Also, though, the popular vote does matter in terms of legitimacy -- just think about the 2000 and 2004 elections. If all the "blue" voters in all the "blue" states had actually turned out to vote for the Democratic candidates those years (well, I voted for Nader in 2000, so let's just talk about 2004), those elections would have gone pretty differently. In the past, also, I've done campaign volunteering that involved calling people in other states. The Obama campaign doesn't seem to be doing that yet (I guess because grassroots campaigning precludes spending a lot on long-distance calls) but they might be. Finally, I suspect there is work to do that doesn't involve going and talking to people in your region directly, though I think that's the most effective thing an individual can do.
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Date: 2008-10-28 05:34 pm (UTC)also, have you taken a close look at government programs meant to serve citizens? social security? welfare? can we honestly say that those are good programs which are working the way we intended, and not just a farce of what they're meant to be and, for the most part, a waste of money? given that, what makes you think that future government social programs would be any more successful?
i don't really support any candidate. but to me it looks like Obama is willing to kiss whoever's ass he needs to to get elected. want the religious vote? ok, don't support gay marriage, expand government funding of religious charities. want the vote of the oldies? ok, exempt oldies making under $50,000 a year from paying taxes. want the support of big oil? ok, allow drilling offshore.
i know the real issue boils down to a "lesser of the two evils" statement, but these are just my thoughts on Obama, judged only against himself.
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Date: 2008-10-28 05:37 pm (UTC)I can't tell you what Obama's going to do in Afghanistan and I doubt he could tell you with much certainty either, but he's not a "war for the sake of war" sorta guy.
also, have you taken a close look at government programs meant to serve citizens? social security? welfare? can we honestly say that those are good programs which are working the way we intended, and not just a farce of what they're meant to be and, for the most part, a waste of money? given that, what makes you think that future government social programs would be any more successful?
I grew up on Social Security (my mom is disabled), so I think it's worked out pretty well at least for me.
i don't really support any candidate. but to me it looks like Obama is willing to kiss whoever's ass he needs to to get elected. want the religious vote? ok, don't support gay marriage, expand government funding of religious charities. want the vote of the oldies? ok, exempt oldies making under $50,000 a year from paying taxes. want the support of big oil? ok, allow drilling offshore.
I think you need a bit more complexity in your analysis.
i know the real issue boils down to a "lesser of the two evils" statement, but these are just my thoughts on Obama, judged only against himself.
I don't agree. Obama is not evil. If you think he is, then please provide evidence. And no, willingness to make the political compromises you listed above doesn't count as "evil", and even if he does support the things you listed sincerely, I don't agree with any of them, but I still don't count them as evil. McCain is evil.
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Date: 2008-10-28 05:36 pm (UTC)(i mean, it IS good, but not significantly better than the average politics piece on my f-list)
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