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European electric grids President of Romania Klaus Iohannis resigns from office, and is succeeded by Ilie Bolojan. The Baltic states complete synchronization of their power grids with continental Europe's (map pictured), disconnecting from Russia's. The ruling Vetëvendosje party, led by Albin Kurti, wins the most seats in the Assembly of Kosovo. The Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas, wins the most seats in the Landtag of Liechtenstein. In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. Ongoing: M23 campaign Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Donn Moomaw Geraldine Thompson Muhsin Hendricks Tom Robbins Edith Mathis Gyalo Thondup view — page history — related changes — edit

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February 16

Portal:Current events/2025 February 16

February 16, 2025 (2025-02-16) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 campaign 2025 Bukavu offensive Local officials and residents report that Rwanda-backed M23 forces have taken over the center of Bukavu, the capital of South Kivu in eastern DR Congo. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches drone strikes across Ukraine, injuring at least one person and damaging a thermal power station in Mykolaiv, leaving 46,000 consumers without heat. Ukraine says that it shot down 95 of 143 drones, while disrupting 46 others by electronic countermeasures. (Reuters)

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Jacob Kiplimo

Article: Jacob Kiplimo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jacob Kiplimo sets the current world record for the half marathon at 56 minutes and 42 seconds. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Clovermoss (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I've never tried to do ITN before but I noticed this achievement in the news and it seems to meet the criteria. It seemed better to ask than to do nothing. Clovermoss🍀 (talk)

• Support Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits

(Closed) Flash flooding in United States

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Article: February 2025 United States floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flash flooding impacts parts of the United States, claiming at least 8 lives in Kentucky. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, FOX Weather, AP, WLWT5
Credits:

• Nominated by Kentuckian (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article is no longer a stub and has been updated. Please read the article before casting a vote.  Kentuckian |💬   17:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose on notability Floods occur all over the world and with three victims these, although unfortunate, are not ITN-worthy for now. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per Alsor. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose conditionally way too stubby. Support otherwise but it's prolly best to wait for a greater impact. — Knightoftheswords 17:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Lots of snow followed by warm weather during this time of year always brings floods. Not a significant event considering how many people die by seasonal flooding around the world every year. --Masem (t) 17:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The article isn't in a good state right now, and also per Masem. TheHiddenCity (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Certainly a wild storm in a series of wild storms, but not really of enduring notability. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose in terms of quality. The article needs to have information in order to have support. Rager7 (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose on quality and Weak Oppose on notability. BTW the name is now February 2025 North American storm complex. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

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Ongoing: Myanmar civil war

Article: Myanmar civil war (2021-present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by TurboSuperA+ (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is ready for inclusion into the list. If I did this the wrong way, please tell me, I didn't know where else to request this. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 15:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose I am not seeing the near daily type of significant news and updates that would make this appropriate to be in ongoing. --Masem (t) 16:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose, the article isn't getting major updates. Also, you nominated a redirect, I would suggest changing it to the target article. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

@TurboSuperA+ I've fixed it for you TNM101 (chat) 17:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: No major updates. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 17:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose article isn't receiving the updates necessary for ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

February 15

Portal:Current events/2025 February 15

February 15, 2025 (2025-02-15) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 campaign 2025 Bukavu offensive Mass looting and sporadic gunfire is reported in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, as M23 rebels advance into the city. Mobs loot several facilities, including a World Food Programme depot. (BBC News) The Congolese military withdraws from Bukavu heading south towards Tanganyika Province. (AP) Ituri conflict General Muhoozi Kainerugaba, Chief of the Ugandan military, claiming to act with the authority of his father, President Yoweri Museveni, threatens to invade the Democratic Republic of the Congo and take control of Bunia, the capital of Ituri Province, unless local forces surrender their weapons within 24 hours. Kainerugaba alleges that the Hema people are being killed. (Reuters) Gaza war 2025 Gaza war ceasefire Hamas releases three Israeli hostages in exchange for the Israeli government releasing 369 Palestinian prisoners, most without criminal charges or convictions, as part of the first stage of the 2025 ceasefire. (Al Jazeera) (AP) 2025 Villach stabbing attack A 14-year-old boy is killed and five other people are injured in a mass stabbing on a street in Villach, Carinthia, Austria. A 23-year-old man, an Islamic State member, is arrested. (AP) (DW) 2025 Munich car attack A 37-year-old woman and her two-year-old child die as a result of injuries sustained in a vehicle-ramming attack in Munich, Germany, on Thursday. (Stern) Business and economy Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict Congolese Foreign Minister Thérèse Kayikwamba Wagner calls on Western sporting firms such as the National Basketball Association, Formula One and Arsenal F.C. to cut sponsorship deals with Rwanda amid the conflict in Kivu. (ESPN) Disasters and accidents 2025 New Delhi railway station stampede A crowd crush kills at least 18 people, including three children, and injures ten others at New Delhi railway station in New Delhi, India. (BBC News) (CNN) (Al Jazeera) At least 49 people are killed and several others are injured during a mine collapse in Kéniéba, Mali. (AP) (Bloomberg) International relations Russia–United States relations Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio speak by telephone about the Russo-Ukrainian War, the Gaza war, the sanctions against Russia, and removing restrictions on each country's diplomatic missions. They also discuss preparations for a high-level summit in Saudi Arabia. This is the first time the U.S. and Russia had contact at the foreign minister level in almost two years. (Financial Times) South Africa–United States relations Hundreds of White South Africans hold a protest outside the U.S. embassy in Pretoria, South Africa, in support of U.S. President Donald Trump's claims that the South African government is discriminating against the country's white minority. (AP) Weimar+ French President Emmanuel Macron announces an emergency summit in Paris between European leaders, following a controversial speech given by U.S. Vice President JD Vance at the Munich Security Conference, in which he criticized European leadership as the worst threat to Europe—particularly for imposing too much censorship and too little control over migration. (Ukrinform) (BBC News) (Voice of America) Law and crime 2025 Beirut attack on UN convoy The Lebanese Armed Forces arrest over 25 people on suspicion of attacking a UNIFIL convoy and United Nations peacekeepers near Rafic Hariri International Airport in Beirut. (Al Jazeera) Muhsin Hendricks, the first openly gay imam, is assassinated by two unidentified assailants while driving near Gqeberha, South Africa. (CTV News) (BBC News) Politics and elections 2025 African Union Commission Chairperson election Government leaders of the member states of the African Union elect Djiboutian Foreign Minister Mahamoud Ali Youssouf as the organization's chairperson, succeeding Chadian Moussa Faki. (AP) (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Muhsin Hendricks

Article: Muhsin Hendricks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): barrons
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World's first openly gay imam. Was murdered on this date. Article is a GA so it might be good to post soon. Onegreatjoke (talk) 07:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support, good quality article and a notable person. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support - good to go ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support per reasons stated above. –GnocchiFan (talk) 15:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Barry Urban

Article: Barry Urban (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News The West Australian WAtoday
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Steelkamp (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian politician. Steelkamp (talk) 02:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Support, well updated and sourced article. Yeshivish613 (talk) 03:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support - seeing no issues here ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

New Chairperson of African Union

Articles: Mahamoud Ali Youssouf (talk · history · tag) and Chairperson of the African Union Commission (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mahamoud Ali Youssouf has been elected Chairperson of the African Union Commission (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Djiboutian diplomat Mahamoud Ali Youssouf won Chairperson of African Union
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former foreign minister of Djibouti Mahamoud Ali Youssouf elected as Chairperson of the African Union Commission
Alternative blurb III: ​ Mahamoud Ali Youssouf (pictured) is elected the new Chairman of the African Union Commission
News source(s): AP Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: If Ursula von der Leyen election nominated before then AU chairperson deserve ITN QalasQalas (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the argument you use is totally wrong. There are many differences between the EU and the African Union: in the latter there is neither a single market nor a common currency, nor is there interdependence and the need for common harmonization of laws for the member countries, nor is there political cohesion, nor do the institutions have supranational power like the European ones, among many other differences. That said, I believe that the election of the president of the AU commission may deserve ITN's attention for its representative role at the international and diplomatic level of the continent. I have added a more grammatically correct altblurb and more in line with ITN's MOS. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Is it sounding excessively egoistic!! Because proving AU value to be better and more important by EU due to popularity and wealth. and without contempt aren't both equivalent? QalasQalas (talk) 19:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The AU is moreso akin to a regional United Nations, similar to the Organization of American States, the Pacific Islands Forum, or the Council of Europe; the EU is a supranational union sharing a common currency, borders (via the Schengen Area), regulations, an elected continental parliament, and so on, almost like a super-state. That's not "egotistic" or "popularity and wealth," that's just factual. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

That is completely wrong. The AU is a supranational union akin to the EU. It has a free trade area, a parliament, and plans to have a continental customs union (having set up regional ones), a common market like the EEC, and a monetary union. See Agenda 2063. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

@Kowal2701, both the monetary union and the customs union are planned, not actual things put in place akin to the EU. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

This. It has ambitions of being EU-like but it's quite far away from actually being there. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

It's not that far away, and has institutions the EU doesn't yet, like peacekeeping. It's still a major player on the international stage. Is the EU the only continental bloc we've historically posted? Really surprised we've never posted this, given how important continental blocs are becoming Kowal2701 (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• If this is posted, alt III should be used. However, parts of the article currently lack citations – this would have to be resolved before posting. Toadspike [Talk] 19:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  fix it thanks Y QalasQalas (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Undecided on notability, but oppose on quality - both Youssouf's article and the Chairperson article are woefully short and under-cited. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, posting the EU equivalent and not this would be a double standard. Quality is very poor atm Kowal2701 (talk) 20:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
  • Also support but contest the idea that this is a double standard - the EU Commission President oversees the second-largest integrated economy in the world and has massive leverage over EU capitals. The AU Commission, though undoubtedly important enough to be considered a "change of head of government", has no such power This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Yakikaki (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality In its current state, the article is not ready for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Needs work The comparison we should make is not with the EU but microstate elections like Liechtenstein, which we are currently blurbing. But the articles I've looked at, such as 2025 African Union Commission Chairperson election, are not ready. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose until quality issues are fixed (in particular the article on the Chairperson themself, but the articles on Youssouf and the elections could use some work), then support alt blurb 3. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:58, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Neutral on notability, strong oppose on quality African Union is definitely not yet on the level of the EU in terms of notability. It's more comparable with OAS or ASEAN, whose changes in secretaries-general have never even received an ITN nomination yet—maybe they should, but that's for another time. What really needs attention is that both the Chairperson of the African Union Commission and the 2025 African Union Commission Chairperson election articles are mostly just lists and tables, and Mahamoud Ali Youssouf's is still marked a stub plus has an entire section with no citations. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support altblurb3 on notability. However, I want to also comment that the EU and AU are not equal in nature despite the similar names; the EU is far more integrated and quasi-federal than the AU will be any time soon. That does not mean that the AU is not largely influential/notability, just that a "double standard" does not exist. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  I concur, ITN is just only Western the rest of World is just DNE. QalasQalas (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

February 14

Portal:Current events/2025 February 14

February 14, 2025 (2025-02-14) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 campaign, Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict 2025 Bukavu offensive M23 rebels and Rwandan troops seize control of Kavumu Airport in South Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (DW) M23 forces and Rwandan troops enter the city of Bukavu, according to local security and humanitarian officials. There are no reports of resistance as most Congolese troops withdraw. (Digital Journal) Congolese president Félix Tshisekedi cancels his participation in an upcoming African Union summit to end the conflict due to the "situation on the ground". Tshisekedi accuses Rwanda of invading the country to seize its mineral-rich regions. (RFI) Russian invasion of Ukraine Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike A drone strikes the New Safe Confinement structure housing the site of the Chernobyl disaster. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy states that a Russian combat drone caused significant damage to the structure, but did not produce an increase in external radiation levels. (CNN) Insurgency in Balochistan Eleven coal miners are killed and five others are wounded when a bomb hits a truck in Harnai, Balochistan, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents: At least six people are killed and seven injured in a fire at a construction site in Busan, South Korea. (Al Jazeera) Ten people are killed and 19 others are injured in a collision between a car and a bus carrying Hindu pilgrims heading to Kumbh Mela in Prayagraj, Uttar Pradesh, India. (DW) A shop explosion and fire in Oudomxay province, Laos, kills four people and injures others. (Radio Free Asia)

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RD: Kevyn Major Howard

Article: Kevyn Major Howard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kenwork (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2600:1700:1b2a:e4b0:b88e:bf5b:38e5:595b (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor. Article is not ready yet but I'll work on it. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Associate Press excluded from Oval Office over Gulf of Mexico naming dispute

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Article: Gulf of Mexico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. president Donald Trump revokes Associated Press access to the Oval Office in response to the news organization's continued use of the name "Gulf of Mexico" instead of "Gulf of America". (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/media/white-house-ap-ban-air-force-one-oval-office-gulf-of-mexico/index.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Ironic sensibilities (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: It's possible the target article should be Associated Press, but I think Gulf of Mexico is the better choice Ironic (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose fail to see how this is significant enough to post to ITN. Scuba 15:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose and snow close trivial and not ITN-worthy. Good faith nom. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I perceive that there is some need for ITN to address whatever we want to call recent events in the US Federal Government (hereafter referred to as "antics"). I also acknowledge some difficulty in deciding which of the antics are most appropriate to cover. Yesterday's retaliatory exclusion of an internationally important news agency from the Oval Office and Air Force One is being reported globally and could possibly offer a relatively uncontroversial angle on the antics that ITN has so far been ignoring. Ironic (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Not the first, and won't be the last. – robertsky (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

These links are reporting exclusion of specific reporters from specific events, not indefinite exclusion of an entire internationally significant news agency. Not the same. Ironic (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - Per Robertsky. E_F⁵ 14:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose There are far more worse things going on involving the Trump presidency that are seemingly leading to a constitutional crisis, this is but one drop in the bucket. While there is a potential for a ongoing on all that, things are moving too fast, with many legal challenges, to have a decent quality article about it at this point. Masem (t) 14:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  This is exactly the difficulty I was trying to address with this proposal. Perfect is the enemy of the good.

  I won't bludgeon with any further response on this submission unless I am pinged for further comment. Ironic (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike

Article: Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A drone strike hits the New Safe Confinement structure at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Volodymyr Zelenskyy alleges that a Russian drone strike causes damage to the New Safe Confinement structure at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant.
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Relatively major incident in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, indicating that talks of a ceasefire agreement may be deteriorating. The alleged destabilization of the radiation shield, per Reuters and Zelensky, also seems quite notable. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC) (UTC)

Oppose for now - As of the last report that I’ve read, no deaths, injuries, radiation levels are normal, and the only lasting impact of this besides potential radiation release is a dissolution of the ceasefire, which I don’t see being confirmed yet from agencies (WP:SYNTH). E_F⁵ 19:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Here’s a reliable source for the “normal radiation levels” reasoning, since I’m fully aware it’ll be questioned. E_F⁵ 19:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Barring any immediate concerns for a runaway reaction and disaster, this would be covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 19:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm actually surprised that there is a stand-alone article for this and not just an update to the Chernobyl article. --Torsodog^Talk 19:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per MtPenguinMonster. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Post-closing comments

• Russian Federation attacked strike drones sarcophagus of the 4th reactor of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, as a result of which the outer and inner layers of the shelter facility were significantly destroyed, fire extinguishing and control measures are underway in terms of the level of radiation contamination (February 14)

I don't understand why the Flip nomination was ignored, because it was the first ever combat attack from the air on a nuclear power plant, and an emergency plant, and the opponents of the nomination don't understand the meaning of what happened at all. The integrity of both layers of the 50 sq m shelter facility was destroyed, which was built over 20 years by the efforts of dozens of countries to replace the old radioactive shelter, which already posed a threat to the world in the 1990s, a new shelter can be built in peacetime for at least 10 years, and the old one has long been unreliable, of course, the official authorities' statements are aimed at reassuring the public. However, for a large-scale radiation leak, even one more blow may not be needed - there is enough precipitation, and it is falling every day now, firefighters and repairmen are working in dangerous conditions for themselves, but they will not eliminate the hole, but only localize the problem

• TSN
• RBC-Ukraine
• Kyiv Independent
• TSN
• BBC News
• RBC-Ukraine
• WFXRtv
• WFXG
• The New Voice of Ukraine
• Associated Press
• Le Monde
• Oman Observer
• Euro News
• Japan Times
• Censor.NET
• IEU Monitoring
• France24
• Instagram .--Yasnodark (talk) 14:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  I continue to oppose. Radiation levels are still normal, which is literally the only significant part of this. If it “breaks down the plans of ending the war”, we can reconsider, but that hasn’t happened yet as of my last check. Several sources you gave were unreliable, by the way. E_F⁵ 15:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  • • • Russia commits war crimes every day, but such an attack has never happened in history. I'm afraid you don't understand what radiation is and what nuclear incidents are and informing the population during them. The normal level of radiation is 12-40 roentgens, and the radiation level under the old sarcophagus is up to 20 thousand roentgens, the integrity of the new sarcophagus that was built for 20 years has been violated and there are no obstacles...--Yasnodark (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

        You do realize that official testing of radiation levels post-strike have revealed acceptable levels, right? Chernobyl has a secondary shield, if I remember correctly. If anything, all this strike did was make the public paranoid. I’m fully aware of what radiation is and what it can do, and this event just isn’t significant enough to be featured, sorry. E_F⁵ 16:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

        Agree that Russia commits war crimes every day, and this particular strike was incredibly reckless and irresponsible, even by its own medieval standards. But the radiation levels are not dangerous. It may cost millions of dollars to fix but, compared with the cost of repairing all other damage already inflicted on Ukraine, perhaps a tiny percentage. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Yasnodark, please format your nomination in accordance with the ITN format TNM101 (chat) 15:30, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  I have gone ahead and given names to all the external links, since it was becoming a bit of an eyesore TNM101 (chat) 15:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  TNM101 Thank you, but could you make the top part in the format, because there are problems with the internet?-Yasnodark (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Reluctant oppose as per my comment above. A very lucky escape, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• You think we should only post bad news? Andrew🐉(talk) 21:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  This could have been very, very bad news. The fact that it wasn't, makes it somewhat less notable, I think. And no. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• We should understand that this shield, which was supposed to last for generations, now has a huge hole in it of 540 square feet. The NYT explains, "Oleksandr Tytarchuk, the chief engineer at the plant, said his team and other specialists plan to do a “preliminary analysis and temporarily seal the opening” to prevent more moisture from entering the structure, which can speed corrosion. But this would not be a radiation-proof seal, meaning the shell would no longer serve the function it had before the strike. ... Workers will then have to figure out a more permanent solution — one that didn’t appear obvious on Friday afternoon.". This is still not good news. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, it is clearly damaged and there are concerns of either radiation release, radioactive waste release, hydrogen gas buildup, etc. all associated with nuclear systems. But at the current time, there's no indication of any immediate concerns of a bad situation immediately arising. Masem (t) 02:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support This seems quite a significant structure. The NYT explains that "completed in 2019, built with the help of 45 countries to make sure that a nuclear accident like the one that occurred in 1986 would not happen here again ... at about 40,000 tons, is the largest movable structure ever built". We don't need to wait until it's actually breached. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Should I close the nomination above this one and keep this open? TNM101 (chat) 11:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Your user page says that you're a relatively new editor. So, you shouldn't be closing discussions here, please. If people want to comment then please leave the discussions open so that they can do so. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:59, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  I thought that the discussions are usually closed and then outside the closure box there are new comments. Well, if it isn't so, thanks for the heads up. Other than that, I've been here for around 9 months, so not really a new editor I guess but I'll remove that from my user page TNM101 (chat) 15:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

In fact, the integrity of both shells of the new shelter has already been significantly violated, the hole cannot be closed, because when it was built, it was built remotely due to extremely high radiation levels. These levels are still preserved above the old shelter, if it really still exists, because according to another version, it was dismantled by workers after the construction of the new one, there is a certain contradiction here. But most sources speak of the existence of an old ultra-radioactive shelter, built almost 40 years ago at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives of liquidators.

This is the first case of nuclear air terrorism in the world and in history, and this will radically change relations in the world of nuclear relations if there is no reaction from the world. Just as there was no reaction to the seizure of the Zaporizhzhia NPP or the explosion of the Kakhovka HPP, which resulted in the death of over a million organisms and probably hundreds or even thousands of people on the occupied left bank.

The fire still cannot be extinguished even by the shelter, repairs are possible only at the cost of the lives of new liquidators, only the long-outdated one probably holds back 20 thousand roentgens, but the shelter itself is super-radioactive and by normal level we mean that the super-high level of radiation is still maintained at the previous level, but nothing is holding it back at the moment, because the shelter is not intact. Fire, snow and frost only make everything worse.

As for official reports, you can look at the same reports about Chelyabinsk, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Fukushima, everything was fine everywhere until it became completely bad. However, all previous cases were not the consequences of external attacks on the reactor, the first time this happened during the capture of Energodar in 2022. However, there is a completely different level of protection there and the attack was of a different nature.

My mother was going to Kyiv in early May and was surprised why there were so few people on the train. Because the official reports were just as good and everything was fine. And Chernobyl was burning and people were dying...

Now the zone is a unique reserve, and most likely it will be infected again, although possibly without risk to the capital. IF of course there are no new attacks. However, the reserve will be lost. And this is very likely. Just as dozens of reserves in the east and south were reduced

Tens of thousands of dolphins died in the Black Sea only in the first months of aggression https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373104/ and this is of course also unimportant. Similarly, the unimportant news was the seizure of Manchuria by Japan, Ethiopia by Italy, the Saar by Germany, the Anschluss of Austria, and then the time came for the wonderful Munich Agreement, someone here fears a new Munich Agreement, but I will say that pray that there will be no truce desired by the whole world at the expense of Ukraine, because you can consider world-class events as unimportant incidents only until a nuclear mushroom blooms next to you. Good luck in waiting for peace, keep your fingers crossed for a new Munich conspiracy and ignore the facts, flying in the clouds if you are sad without war on the doorstep...

None of the news presented today:

• The Baltic states complete synchronization of their power grids with continental Europe's (map pictured), disconnecting from Russia's.
• The ruling Vetëvendosje party, led by Albin Kurti, wins the most seats in the Assembly of Kosovo.
• The Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas, wins the most seats in the Landtag of Liechtenstein.
• In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.
• Former president of Namibia Sam Nujoma dies at the age of 95.

, and even the first one, has global significance compared to the one proposed here, none of them carries such risks as this and will not have a similar impact on the future of humanity, because nuclear safety and the precedent of nuclear terrorism are unprecedented. And those 4 bottom news items are regional in nature without any impact.

And the fact that the news should be good... I haven't heard that for a long time, the last time was when I read Joe Haldeman's memoirs after a visit to the USSR and Kyiv in particular in the 1980s. I recommend reading it - it gave me a sense of nostalgia, and here it is again.

I hardly have anything else to add, and I've already spent too much time on people who don't understand the gravity of the events, but I'll mention people from different fields of knowledge, maybe someone will be interested in speaking out : Yakudza, User:Oleksiy.golubov, User:Yukh68, Білецький В.С., Ата, Олег-літред, Yasnodark (talk) 14:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Why do you keep assuming bad faith and assuming everybody who’s opposed is stupid? 2/3 of your reply has nothing to do with the nomination and is completely irrelevant. Radiation levels are normal, I don’t have any other way to say that more clearly. E_F⁵ 14:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• I completely agree with you, everything is normal: attacks on nuclear facilities have already happened thousands of times, sorry 0 times, the fire continues in the usual emergency mode, only 2 shells out of 2 of the only new shelter, which was built in just a couple of decades by only 45 countries, have been destroyed, repairs are possible only in other conditions and not above the reactor, but quick repairs can only take place in wartime conditions in anticipation of new attacks, only after the fire stops, only after the onset of positive temperatures and in the absence of heavy precipitation and only at the expense of the health of people who voluntarily agree to sacrifice themselves. You do not understand the situation at all and I still do not understand why this news is less important than the previous ones, which is why I gave a number of examples of news that were also considered unimportant. I appreciated the truce because my opponent mentioned it, although - the impact on a possible criminal conspiracy called a truce is the least of the world's concerns, it is ignoring the unprecedented event of nuclear terrorism and its possible consequences that is the most important thing in the event. And that is exactly what is happening here, because as my opponents pointed out to me - the news should be good...--Yasnodark (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Is the situation predicted to worsen considerably? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  If there are no new attacks - an uncontrolled radiation leak is predicted with a high probability of new contamination of the Chernobyl zone with probably good forecasts for the capital if there are no deteriorations. Tomorrow the council of scientists will meet for a detailed analysis of the response to the situation. On the morning of the 14th they said that the fire was extinguished, and I didn't believe it then, and every day they said that the fire was extinguished again, today they don't say anything anymore - they say that the fire has not been extinguished yet, but they still say about the normal level of radiation, and each time they are less confident, and in the absence of new attacks, I think a certain number of volunteers will save everyone and then everything will not be very good, almost all the Russian military who dug trenches in 2022 in the zone - later died, and they were told that everything was fine with the radiation--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Keyword is “predicted” not “happened”. We don’t post events till they have actually happened. E_F⁵ 15:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Because it was in May 1986 and she was going to Kyiv because there had been a minor incident somewhere nearby and the radiation level was also normal. She obviously believed these reports and went to work on her dissertation, having ended up in a place where it was impossible to leave. Because there were no return tickets, because everyone in Kyiv already knew, but only the chosen ones had the opportunity to leave. So she ended up living where she shouldn't. Because outside of Kyiv, it wasn't news, just a barely noticeable incident with a normal radiation level.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• I still don’t think you understand. Radiation levels are normal. It doesn’t matter if the shells are damaged, because levels are normal. We don’t post future events like this at ITN. Research reactors in Iraq were bombed by Israel in 1981, so your assertion that this is the “first strike on a nuclear site” is a blatant falsehood. E_F⁵ 15:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Not sure your mother on a train to Kyiv is really pertinent here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• You don't understand what is meant - it means that the radiation is just as high, no, it didn't increase from the impact, but now nothing is holding it back, if the old shelter still exists - it was old 20 years ago and it is so radioactive that it was impossible to build a new one over it, it was built separately and then moved. The fire is still going on and it will take years to build a new shelter

• However, the main thing in the event is not the level of radiation, but the fact of a deliberate attack on an emergency nuclear facility with unpredictable consequences.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• @Yasnodark It's probably a really bad thing that has happened but sadly Wikipedia cannot run ITN like that. If ITN was just based on how bad the situation is, we would have new blurbs every day. If you see below, the nom for the bus incident in Guatemala has not yet been posted as of my posting of this comment, even after it killed a lot of people. On ITN everything must be judged based on ITNSIGNIF and ITNQUALITY. The problem here is, that EF5 has been trying to explain for a while now, is that the radiation levels are perfectly normal right now and there are no imminent threats to anyone or anything around the plant. Along with this, the only significant thing this could cause would be affecting the peace treaty. Since WP:NOTCRYSTAL, we cannot post the blurb just because there could be problems in the future. If there was a major issue such as a radiation leak that was expected to have an instant impact in the area around Chernobyl, there probably wouldn't have been any issues getting the blurb posted. Hopefully you understand now TNM101 (chat) 15:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Comparisons are irrelevant, I explained something above. The accident in Guatemala is a typical traditional unintentional incident that has no impact on global security or the health and lives of other people and the environment. But this event has, and that's not the main thing.

The essence of the event is an unprecedented attack on a nuclear facility by a combat drone with an explosive charge. Radiation leak is a probable new event. This event consists in the destruction of the shield, which cannot be restored quickly, and in the attack itself, and in the consequences not for the health of individual people, but for the nuclear security of the world and the world order in general, in the event of non-implementation of the highest level sanctions against Russia and Rosatom.-Yasnodark (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources that state this event is “unorecedented”, that radiation leak is probable, that this event has compromised nuclear security of the world and that sanctions will be pursued? E_F⁵ 16:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Note that nothing confirms if it was an attack or not yet, it remains a claim. Masem (t) 16:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. This is a highly irresponsible and dangerous event, whether it was a deliberate attack or an accidental collision. Fortunately, the damage has not led to a major nuclear incident. It's possible that the situation might deteriorate, but so far the impact has been limited to accusations and speculation. Unless some major nuclear leak occurs, this isn't significant enough to post in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 16:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. Covered by ongoing, given the lack of major effects. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Geraldine Thompson

Article: Geraldine Thompson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FOX 35 Orlando, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Florida state Senator Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 14:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality for now Article has a big uncited paragraph in the Career section and the article does not even have a sentence mentioning her death. If this is fixed, please let me know and I will change my vote to support. (Side note: I added a level-four header to the nomination) TNM101 (chat) 15:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

  @TNM101 updated that paragraph with citations and created a separate section for death. It was in the life and career section before Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Changing my vote to support per above TNM101 (chat) 04:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support Looks sufficiently sourced and meets length standards. --Engineerchange (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

February 13

Portal:Current events/2025 February 13

February 13, 2025 (2025-02-13) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 campaign 2025 Bukavu offensive M23 rebels capture Kalehe Territory and Ihusi, Democratic Republic of the Congo, leading to several civilian casualties and the mass evacuation of residents. (BBC Gahuza) War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland counter-terrorism operations More than thirty IS–Somalia fighters are killed in airstrikes on positions in the Sheebaab area of the Cal Miskaad mountains in northern Bari Region, Puntland, Somalia. (Hiiraan Online) (Anadolu Agency) Gaza war 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis Hamas says it will resume the release of hostages according to the terms of the ceasefire and hostage release deal with Israel. (CBS News) 2025 Munich car attack At least 28 people are injured by a vehicle-ramming attack during a demonstration by the ver.di trade union in Munich, Germany. Police arrest the vehicle's driver, a 24-year-old man, at the scene on suspicion of Islamic terrorism. (Sky News) (New Arab) (PBS) Business and economy German economic crisis German automotive manufacturer Porsche announces it will cut 2,000 jobs over the next five years, reducing its workforce by 15%, primarily affecting its assembly plants in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen and Weissach in Baden-Wurttemberg. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2025 Taichung Shin Kong Mitsukoshi gas explosion Four people are killed and thirty-two others are injured by a gas explosion at a Shin Kong Mitsukoshi department store in Taichung, Taiwan. (Central News Agency) At least 21 people are injured, including ten seriously, in a fire inside of a costume factory in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. (Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha) Three people are dead and 114 others fall ill, including two in critical condition, after a gastroenteritis outbreak at four hospices in Florence, Italy. (Ansa) At least one person is killed and three others are injured by an explosion at the Ministry of Urban Development and Housing compound in Kabul, Afghanistan. The Taliban government alleges that it was a suicide attack, while no party has claimed responsibility. (DW) The US Navy Sixth Fleet announces that the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman was involved in collision at sea with the merchant vessel Besiktas-M on February 12 while operating in the vicinity of Port Said, Egypt, in the Mediterranean Sea. (U.S. Sixth Fleet Public Affairs) International relations International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli leaders The United States Treasury Department sanctions Karim Ahmad Khan, the top prosecutor at the International Criminal Court, over his decision to investigate Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant regarding their conduct during the Gaza war. (U.S. Treasury Department) Law and crime Investigations into the Eric Adams administration Acting U.S. Attorney Danielle Sassoon and five other U.S. Justice Department officials resign after being ordered by the second Trump administration to drop a federal corruption case against New York City Mayor Eric Adams. (CNN) The Royal Thai Army announces that 260 foreigners have been rescued from online scam centers in Myanmar near the two countries' border, where they were trafficked to and forced to work in. (AP) Politics and elections Second cabinet of Donald Trump Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is confirmed as the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services by a Senate vote of 52–48. (NPR)

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RD: David E. Sellers

Article: David E. Sellers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Valley Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American architect, based in Vermont. Major figure in the design/build movement. Obit published 13 February. Thriley (talk) 20:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose, there are 12 CN tags, there seems to be a COI issue, and there also seems to be way to many images. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:16, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Wally Gabler

Article: Wally Gabler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Detroit News, The Albertan
Credits:

• Nominated by Cbl62 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian football quarterback (1966-1972) Cbl62

• Support - looks good ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Sukri Bommagowda

Article: Sukri Bommagowda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times The Hans India
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit) and Julius Barclay (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian folk singer TNM101 (chat) 04:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support - I think it looks just long enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Taichung department store explosion

Article: 2025 Taichung Shin Kong Mitsukoshi gas explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gas explosion (pictured) inside of a Shin Kong Mitsukoshi department store in Taichung, Taiwan, kills 4 people and injures 39 others. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, New York Times, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by SpectralIon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Surprised no one has nominated this yet, it's been 12 hours. SpectralIon 03:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability Pretty rare for a store to explode like that. Multiple news orgs are covering this, so passes the notability bar in my opinion. Although, I would like to see the article just a bit longer in length. TNM101 (chat) 04:18, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose a tragic accident of no lasting encyclopaedic relevance. Stephen 06:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

@Stephen: Has there been any discussion about raising the bar for inclusion for disasters/mass casualties events? As I can't find any in the archives. A common criticism of ITN is that it's death-obsessed. My concern is that if ITN regs are more conservative on this front, non-Western events are more likely to fail while Western events, which typically get more !votes by non-regulars, are more likely to succeed. Would it be worth having a wider discussion? I don't see anything about encyclopedic relevance at WP:ITN Kowal2701 (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

@Kowal2701 There is a discussion on the ITN talk page TNM101 (chat) 07:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Stephen. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stephen, "people died" is not a reason to promote something to the main page (or even create an article for that matter). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Tragic, but doesn't rise to the level of ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

2025 Munich car attack

Article: 2025 Munich car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A car rams (aftermath pictured) into a crowd during a trade union demonstration by ver.di in Munich, Germany, resulting in 2 deaths and 37 injuries (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A car rams into a crowd at a trade union demonstration in Munich, Germany resulting in two people being killed and 37 others being injured
News source(s): Sky News NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Created by MemeDab99 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ShoBDin (talk · give credit) and Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Well, yet another car attack, but this one is probably borderline notable TNM101 (chat) 14:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - While definitely notable enough for Portal:Current events, not a single person died, and I don't see a major impact besides Germany tightening security.

Changing to weak support per below. E_F⁵ 14:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Support but I think the blurb needs to be clarified. From the summary in the linked article, it states that the attacker drove into a demonstration by the ver.di trade union. Attacks on union members in Germany, a place about to hold a federal election in 10 days, are going to be in themselves well more impactful than attacks on groups of otherwise unconnected civilians. Oppose on quality - everything's cited but the length isn't where I'd be comfortable supporting to put on the front page. Departure– (talk) 14:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I added an altblurb based on what you said TNM101 (chat) 14:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Wait Per above, an attack like this just before a G7 country holds an election is pretty unexpected but the article right now is very short. (For transparency's sake, I remember the Magdeburg attack article being way longer than this when I nom'd it.) The blurbs could do with a fair bit more brevity too. Yo.dazo (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Needs work Seems quite significant due to its proximity to the Munich conference and the coming election. But its prose is still quite rough. I started copy-editing but was getting edit conflicts so it will need a while to become settled and stable. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  Checking back on this, I found that some copy-editing was still needed. And there seems to be significant confusion as to whether the perp had a criminal record. The article says that a minister has back-tracked but there's no citation for this. The German language article has more but it's based on liveblog proseline rather than consolidated analysis. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - Some unique aspects, but impact seems comparatively limited versus past attacks. Article is also nowhere near long or detailed enough. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not of encyclopedic significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose simply because there isn't a single death. I could reconsider if one of the critically injured victims die in hospital, considering it is likely to somewhat affect the results of the upcoming election. --SpectralIon 22:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  Incidents like this are way more than just their fatality/casualty count. Please see WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for more details, irony fully intended. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability due to lack of fatalities and no clear motive. –DMartin 00:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support as it's been widely reported in news, meets notability criteria. DarkSpartan (talk) 06:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support the attack is following on from one before Christmas, in a country with a popular/dangerous far right party (AFD) and feeding into anti-immigration sentiment. Important global meeting happening in Munich on the same day. It's not about the death count. Secretlondon (talk) 08:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Wait - Basically a sum of everything noted above - notable event in the context of the current German political climate preceding the election, but there haven't been any reported casualties yet, and the article itself still needs to be worked on in terms of quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Ramming attacks have been on the rise, including in Germany. I'm doubtful this will have much of an impact beyond those directly involved. We posted the 2024 Magdeburg car attack and 2025 New Orleans truck attack, but those killed multiple people and injured many more than this one, which seems comparatively minor. The article has only three sentences describing what happened, the rest is personal information about the suspect - in so much detail that it makes me uncomfortable about WP:BLPCRIME and WP:NPF. I've tagged the article accordingly. Modest Genius ^talk 13:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Two people died in hospital from the attack, possibly affecting the notability and the blurb. Yeshivish613 (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

According to opposing votes added in the nomination above, "'people died' is not a reason to promote something to the main page (or even create an article for that matter)". Is it valid here too? ArionStar (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

strong oppose posting this is like posting any shooting attack in the usa that features in the news. Knife and car attacks are not notable in europe anymore unless the casualty count is significant (of note, 2 people were stabbed in Austria this weekend. Don't even think there is (or should be) an article). Converserly 18 people, including kids were killed in a stampede in regards to that omen that is kumbh mela 2024.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

February 12

Portal:Current events/2025 February 12

February 12, 2025 (2025-02-12) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War Russian invasion of Ukraine Kyiv strikes Russian forces launch an overnight ballistic missile attack on Kyiv, Ukraine, killing one person and injuring four others. (Reuters) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine After holding a telephone call with Russian president Vladimir Putin, U.S. president Donald Trump says negotiations to end the war will start immediately. (CNN) (Euronews) Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign The Rapid Support Forces storm the Zamzam Refugee Camp in North Darfur, Sudan, the country's largest displacement camp. The situation inside the camp, which holds around 500,000 people, is described as "catastrophic", with an unknown number of casualties. (BBC News) Students–People's uprising United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk reports that over 1,400 people were killed last year during violent crackdowns on protests against the government of former Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina by the military and police, with over 78% of the casualties having been shot. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2025 Hamburg train accident The casualty total from yesterday's collision between an Intercity Express train and a semi-trailer truck in Hamburg, Germany, increases to one person killed and 25 injured. (EuroWeekly) A fishing trawler capsizes off South Korea's Jeju Island, with five crew members reported missing. Five others are rescued by the Korea Coast Guard. (AP) International relations Russia–Sudan relations Sudanese foreign minister Ali Yousif Sharif reports that an agreement has been reached for the creation of a Russian naval base in Sudan. (Al Arabiya) Law and crime Foreign relations of the United States Belarus–United States relations U.S. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt announces that Belarus has released three detainees, including an American citizen. (Al Arabiya) Russia–United States relations The Trump administration agree to send convicted money launderer Alexander Vinnik back to Russia in exchange for the release of American teacher Marc Fogel, who was serving a 14-year sentence for entering the country with 17 grams of medical cannabis. (Reuters) (NBC News) 2025 Grenoble attack A man throws a grenade into a bar in Grenoble, France, injuring 15 people, some of whom in critical conditon. (Times Now) Politics and elections 2025 Greek presidential election Konstantinos Tasoulas is elected President of Greece by the Hellenic Parliament in the fourth and final round of the presidential election. (Ekathimerini) Senate's President Ilie Bolojan becomes acting President of Romania following Klaus Iohannis' resignation on 10 February. (Reuters) Science and Technology Neutrino detection Researchers at the KM3NeT collaboration, published their results on the highest energy neutrino ever detected. The infrastructure, located at the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea, recorded an event 30 times more energetic than the previous recordholder. (Nature), (AP)

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(Closed) Elon Musk and unions

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Article: Elon Musk and unions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Several unions are suing to stop Elon Musk from accessing personal data of workers, students and retirees in different agency IT systems in his role as the head of the newly created DOGE agency. (Post)
News source(s): CBS, Politico, Forbes
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Shushugah (talk · give credit)

 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose There is a huge mass of lawsuits thrown at Trump and Musk/DOGE that focusing on any one would be inappropriate. The idea of there being a constitutional crisis has gained traction in the media, so that itself may be an appropriate ongoing if readily confirmed and a good article was there for it. Masem (t) 23:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose trivial lawsuit. Scuba 00:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per @Masem plus WP:STUB QalasQalas (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose good-faith nom as per Masem. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

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(Closed) AMAN (naval exercise)

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Article: AMAN (naval exercise) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ AMAN 2025, a multinational naval exercise organized by the Pakistan Navy, concluded in Karachi, featuring naval forces from more than 60 nations. (Post)
News source(s): Arab News, AA, GT, The News, Dawn
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 14:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - Article has not been updated (it is still in future tense even though the exercises presumably already happened) and this exercise seems fairly routine so I'm not sure how notable it is ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The article states that it is held every two years and the section on the 2025 drill has only about 3-4 sentences about it TNM101 (chat) 15:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The section that's about this year's AMAN is only 2 paragraphs. I'm also noticing a few errors in the sentences, Doesn't look like it has been updated very well. TheHiddenCity (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Routine event, no indication of any lasting impacts, very little information available in the article. Modest Genius ^talk 17:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - if it's not even notable enough for it's own article, it's not ITN. And only one independent (and local) reference about it? Nfitz (talk) 17:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2025 Greek presidential election

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Article: 2025 Greek presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Konstantinos Tasoulas (pictured) is elected President of Greece by the Hellenic Parliament. (Post)
News source(s): Ekathimerini in English
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

 Moraljaya67 (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Is this ITNR? Even the article about the President states that it is mainly a ceremonial role TNM101 (chat) 14:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Per WP:ITN/R, the election of whoever administers the executive of their state/government qualifies (whether that be the head of state or head of government). That then references this list which says that the Greek PM is the office that administers the executive, not the president. So long story short: no, it's not ITN/R and I am going to remove that from the nom. Thanks for catching that TNM101. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, all changes to head of state are ITNR. even ceremonial ones like the King of England, or President of Greece. Scuba 20:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  No, they are not. Read the criteria again. Repeating the same thing despite what everyone is telling you is a bad look. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This is not ITNR per TNM101 above, and seems to be a very ordinary and ceremonial election procedure which will not have any lasting significance. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Greek President is head of state, qualifies for ITNR. Scuba 20:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  The President of Greece is not a head of state that falls within the ITNR definition as it is currently worded. Because there has not been a "change, reelection or reappointment in the holder of the office which administers the executive of the [Greek] state", this is not ITNR. WP:OTHERSTUFF examples of times when we have incorrectly treated changes in head of state as ITNR despite them not actually administering anything, do not overrule the plain language of the ITNR rule itself. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Wait until he becomes president. Sakellaropoulou is still currently the president. Scuba 20:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Support since we post changes of ceremonial heads of state (president of Ireland or GermanyP routinely This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Please take note that the current president of Ireland has been there since 2011, and the current president of Germany since 2017; the relevant ITN/R guideline meanwhile was agreed upon in 2021. (This is probably also a good example of why we shouldn't put too much stock in precedent when it comes to ITN.) Yo.dazo (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose on quality, but I see no reason why this isn't an update to an encyclopedic subject. What ITN has done in the past is an "other stuff" argument in either direction. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

??? Was this posted under the wrong section? we have a change in the head of state, that's ITNR. Scuba 00:22, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

No, only the change in the office that administers the executive is ITNR. This is not, because the President of Greece is the head of state, not the head of government.-- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - not ITNR. The President of Greece does not administer the executive, the PM does. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose It is only a ceremonial position, without any real political power, he is just a decorative plant chosen by the prime minister.--Μιχαήλ Δεληγιάννης (talk) 13:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Rockstone and Mikedelis. Seems to be an entirely ceremonial position, with the PM wielding the real power. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:04, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per others as it is a ceremonial position. --SpectralIon 22:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support per my reading of WP:ITN/R. "Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above[which includes all sovereign states], as listed at List of current heads of state and government", The President of Greece is listed as head of state in the article. –DMartin 00:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

  The changes in the head of state is not ITNR; and I can't believe you ignored what you had just copied and pasted (LOL). The "Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government" (emphasis mine) is, which is not always the head of state. Above, there's a legend specifying that " Green cells indicate leaders whose offices constitutionally administer the executive of their respective state/government (emphasis mine). The President of Greece is not shaded green; the prime minister is.

  This is not the first time I've seen this criterion misrepresented. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:21, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose since this is a ceremonial role. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm surprised this isn't closed yet. All supporting opinions are based on a misreading/misremembering of WP:ITN/R criteria, and there's no single word on how the new president is relevant enough for a normal blurb as well. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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February 11

Portal:Current events/2025 February 11

February 11, 2025 (2025-02-11) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 campaign 2025 Bukavu offensive Rwandan-backed M23 rebel forces initiate advances towards Bukavu, the capital of South Kivu in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), following a two-day unilateral ceasefire. (Al Jazeera) Ituri conflict CODECO insurgents kill at least 52 people and injure eight others in attacks across Ituri Province, DRC. At least 30 civilian homes were burned down during the attacks, according to Radio Okapi. (Anadolu Ajansi) War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland counter-terrorism operations At least 27 Puntland soldiers and more than 70 ISIL militants are killed or wounded in fighting around the Togga Jacel area of the Cal Miskaad mountains in Puntland’s Bari Region. This is the deadliest attack since Puntland launched an offensive in December 2024 against Islamic State in Somalia hiding in the Golis Mountains. (VOA) (Reuters) (Garowe Online) Gaza war 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that if Hamas does not release Israeli hostages by noon on Saturday, the ceasefire will end and the IDF will resume offensive operations in the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) Islamic State–Taliban conflict Five Taliban members are killed and seven others are injured during a suicide bombing outside New Kabul Bank in Kunduz, Afghanistan. (Arab News) Arts and culture The accession ceremony is held for Prince Rahim al-Hussaini as the 50th Imam of Nizari Isma'ilism, succeeding his late father Aga Khan IV. (Islamabad Post) Disasters and accidents 2025 Hamburg train accident Twelve people are injured, including two critically, when an Intercity Express train collides with a semi-trailer truck in Hamburg, Germany. (AP) International relations Foreign relations of South Korea, Foreign relations of Syria The South Korean Foreign Ministry announces that the country will move to establish diplomatic relations with Syria. (Korea Herald) Jordan–United States relations King Abdullah II of Jordan meets U.S. President Donald Trump in Washington D.C. for talks focusing on the president's proposal for the removal of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and a subsequent United States takeover of the region, with President Trump threatening to withhold aid from Jordan and Egypt if they do not agree to the proposal. (ABC News) Russia–United States relations Russia releases U.S. citizen Marc Fogel, after talks with Donald Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff. (The New York Times) Law and crime Antisemitism in Australia, Clinical incidents in Australia Two nurses in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia are stood down after claiming on video that they allegedly both refused to treat and intentionally mistreated Israeli patients. (The Guardian) Belarus–European Union border crisis The European Court of Human Rights says it will consider three cases involving irregular migrants allegedly having been pushed back across the border into Belarus from EU countries. (Forbes) Italian police arrest around 150 people across Sicily in the biggest anti-Mafia raid since 1984. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Politics of Vanuatu, 2025 Vanuatuan general election Jotham Napat is elected Prime Minister of Vanuatu by parliament. Napat, who received 50 votes, was elected unopposed. (RNZ Pacific) Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States announce sanctions on a Russian bulletproof hosting services provider that is allegedly ignoring law enforcement requests, along with two Russians who are operating the network. (AP) The Government of Spain announces it will grant residency and work permits to up to 25,000 immigrants affected by the floods in the Valencian Community in 2024. (AP) Science and technology Google Calendar confirms it has removed Black History Month, Pride Month and other cultural events from its service, saying the holidays were "not sustainable" for Google's new business model which is rolling back an emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). (The Guardian) Sports 2025 Asian Winter Games South Korea at the 2025 Asian Winter Games Biathlete Ekaterina Avvakumova wins the first gold medal for South Korea in biathlon at the Asian Winter Games. (Korea JoongAng Daily)

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RD: Helen Hays

Article: Helen Hays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CAWylie (talk · give credit) and Neutrality (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American ornithologist and conservationist. Obit published 11 February. Thriley (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support - looks good enough to post ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Can't see any issues. Nice article. Yakikaki (talk) 21:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Donn Moomaw

Article: Donn Moomaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Football Foundation
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support - well cited ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support - wel cited. Cbl62 (talk) 05:05, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support more information would certainly be useful, but the article generally looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Margarita Forés

Article: Margarita Forés (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was a Filipino chef. The article looks good. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose There's some cn tags since a major source that was used throughout the article was a deadlink that redirected to a car ad and no longer supported some of the article's statements. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  er... that source can be accessed through web.archive.org though? – robertsky (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose 1 CN tag remains in the article. Once fixed, consider this a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  The CN tag has been resolved. toweli (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support No remaining issues as far as I can see. Good article. Yakikaki (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Moses Lim

Article: Moses Lim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:

• Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Justanothersgwikieditor (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A household name in Singapore, and likely was well-known to varying extents in other countries as he was part of the cast of the Under One Roof (Singaporean TV series) that was exported to multiple countries. – robertsky (talk) 03:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support One cn tag shouldn't keep this article from getting posted. Overall, well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support - yep, looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Philip Brady

Article: Philip Brady (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TVHead (talk · give credit), Afterwriting (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose There are still a few uncited statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Unsourced section and some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, there is a whole uncited paragraph. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

February 10

Portal:Current events/2025 February 10

February 10, 2025 (2025-02-10) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza War Gaza war hostage crisis 2025 Gaza war ceasefire Hamas delays the release of further hostages under the ceasefire agreement, accusing Israel of violating the ceasefire. (BBC News) United States support for Israel in the Gaza war In response to Hamas' announcement, U.S. President Donald Trump issues an ultimatum, saying that if all remaining hostages are not released by Saturday then "all hell will break loose" in the Middle East. (Sky News) War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland counter-terrorism operations Puntland forces announce that, over the past 24 hours, airstrikes targeting Islamic State hideouts have killed more than 13 foreign militants in the Dhasaq area of Bari Region, Puntland. (Anadolu Agency) Business and economy Second Trump tariffs United States President Donald Trump signs an executive order imposing a 25% tariff on all aluminium and steel imports. (NBC News) Disasters and accidents 2025 Guatemala City bus crash A bus veers off a bridge and falls into a ravine in Guatemala City, Guatemala, killing 56 people and seriously wounding others. The government declares three days of national mourning. (CBS News) (Prensa Libre) One person is killed and four others are injured when a Learjet 35A aircraft veers off the runway and crashes into a Gulfstream G200 aircraft at Scottsdale Airport in Scottsdale, Arizona, United States. (The Arizona Republic) (KNXV-TV) International relations North Korea–South Korea relations, Korean conflict South Korea opposition leader Lee Jae-myung calls for renewed dialogue talks with North Korea and emphasizes the need to maintain strong military readiness amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula. (NK News) Law and crime 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Police in Bangladesh arrest over 1,300 people amid riots and pro-Sheikh Hasina protests. (DW) Politics and elections 2025 Romanian presidential election Romanian President Klaus Iohannis announces his resignation. (DW) Artificial Intelligence Cold War, 2025 in artificial intelligence French President Emmanuel Macron tells major world leaders gathered at an AI summit in Paris that France is "back in the AI race". His remarks came following the announcement that the country would be receiving AI private investments worth a total of €109 billion (US$112 billion) over the coming years. (France 24) (The New York Times) (AP)

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RD: Maria Tipo

Article: Maria Tipo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary Italian pianist who has been compared to Horowitz, also dedicated teacher. Expanded, referenced and rephrased an article that was copyvio from one of the sources. -- --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support Very nicely updated, article is in fine shape. Yakikaki (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Nigel McCrery

Article: Nigel McCrery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Keith H99 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Publications section needs more citations, and a CN tag still remains in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Donald Shoup

Article: Donald Shoup (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): parking.net
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American research professor of urban planning at University of California, Los Angeles. Author of The High Cost of Free Parking. Death published 10 February. Thriley (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose 2 cn tags still remain in the article. Additionally, the Bibliography section needs more ISBNS or references to fill out the section. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Bibliography has sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) 2025 Guatemala City bus crash

Article: 2025 Guatemala City bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A bus falls off a bridge (rescue efforts pictured) over the Las Vacas River in Guatemala City, capital of Guatemala, killing at least 54 people and injuring several others. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

 ArionStar (talk) 16:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment @ArionStar: I urge you to review pages like WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEVENT to make sure that you are creating and nominating articles that actually are encyclopic articles on events, rather than simply reporting an event. In this case an article with one one sentence is far far too early to even consider for an ITN (we never post something that short). Please at least try to have the article with a minimum length (roughly 1500 chat of prise) before nominating here. I don't have an immediate comment here on this specific event, just that like several of your past ITNC noms, the articles have been woefully lacking in details and there has been no clear sign they can be expanded. Masem (t) 16:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  Wait a moment… ArionStar (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Masem: the event become notable as the death toll is high and further investigations are underway. ArionStar (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  ArionStar, can you point to the notability guideline that supports this? Cause that sounds like utter bull. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Thebiguglyalien: WP:INDEPTH and WP:DIVERSE. From local TV Azteca to The New York Times or even The Times of India, an unrelated country… ArionStar (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is in no state for the front page right now. Support Looking much better. This is getting wide coverage and the number of casualties is significant. Estreyeria (talk) 16:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. One sentence. As Masem says, write the article before nominating it. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  I did something now. ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Lean support: 55 killed in the worst road accident of 2025 and one of the deadliest in Latin America in recent years. There's also sources claiming it was Latin America's worst road accident. I was going to say oppose due to the article being a stub and due to bus crashes or road accidents in general being common in Latin America, but the article is in better condition. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - I wouldn't even say the article should be in mainspace due to the state its in, but that’s just me. E_F⁵ 17:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@EF5: now it's good enough. ArionStar (talk) 14:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - I see this nom going the same way as the last bus plunge. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

The 'bus plunge' cliche is helping no-one. Are these deaths really less newsworthy because of the type of vehicle involved? 'Bus plunge' is mostly used an excuse not to post mass casualty events from developing countries. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, the type of vehicle is entirely tied to how newsworthy. One person dying in a spacecraft is inherently far more newsworthy than one person dying in an automobile. Generally, a road accident is not encyclopedic. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Even with the article’s expansion, there’s just a single sentence on the accident itself - the reactions section is over twice as long. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Lean Oppose I can see the reasoning that this is a lot of deaths, but it's a literal bus plunge and there was just another a few days ago. I don't think this is getting posted. Changing my vote to Support due to increased casualties, an improved article, the Escarcega crash looking unlikely to be posted, convincing arguments by others, etc. --SpectralIon 18:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment The article is better now. ArionStar (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support I find myself once again pointing out that in past circumstances where extremely similar accidents occurred but with far less casualties, less global coverage, yet in North America, we posted the incident rather resoundingly: see e.g. Schoharie limousine crash, Humboldt Broncos bus crash, Carberry bus crash. We also posted 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash after a series of oppose votes, before strong objections about a double standard ended up swaying the consensus decision towards posting. Similarly to the 2024 South Africa bus crash, this incident is attracting worldwide press coverage from Reuters to Australian media to the Times of India. Nobody has provided any reasoning for why this bus crash is less notable than other mass casualty incidents other than, "it's a bus plunge". I would say that because we regularly post lower casualty accidents with Americans/Canadians as opposed to Guatemalans, further elaboration is necessary. In fact, this crash strikes me as MORE notable than the American crashes we have posted because it occurred in a dense urban area - those accidents were all rural! Precedent is important, as is the avoidance of anglocentric double standards at ITN. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  I would’ve almost certainly voted against all 4, in retrospect. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Church and Municipal Palace in the city of Comalcalco, Tabasco

It's not really a matter of "anglocentric double standards" but of the quality and availability of the news sources: what's the Guatemalan equivalent of the NYT or BBC News? And, to make it applicable to the Campeche crash too, what's the Mexican equivalent of the Guardian or CNN? Writing a decent article on your examples from the US or Canada is much, much easier. As just an example, what highways did these two accidents happen on? You'd have to dig very deep into non-English sources to discover those factoids, whereas for Schoharie we've got the answer in plain English in the first ref. (The answers, by the way, are Federal Highway 186 and CA9, the latter of which not only doesn't exist as an article but isn't even listed on the dab page.) As a result, the quality of the articles is ... not great, and likely to stay that way. In the Escárcega article, I can see misinterpretations of Spanish reports that have come down to WP through Eng-lang sources. For instance,"The local council, Palacio Municipal de Comalcalco..." from the BBC. No: Comalcalco is a place (it's where most of the holidaymakers were from, I think), it has a local council -- municipal govt, I suppose -- which is based at the Municipal Palace, or we might gloss that as "city hall". But that's what the WP:RS says; were I to change it, I could rightly be reverted on those grounds. And that's before getting into the more philosophical questions of long-term impact. WP:CRYSTAL and all that but no, Mexican trucks aren't going to have to pass mandatory roadworthy testing as a result of Escárcega, and Guatemalan buses aren't going to stop carrying passengers three-on-a-seat as a result of Puente Belice. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I think these are fair concerns, Moscow Mule. My only real response is that these points all (mostly) sound to me like article quality concerns, as opposed to objections to notability. To make my point clearer: if a Mexican newspaper released a well-written English-language article tomorrow that allowed us to add more details to the article, then most of what you are concerned about would be remedied - so, a question of quality of sources, which is an extension of article quality. By contrast, my concerns with a "double standard" pertain to selectively opposing this crash on notability. Per your own admission, the only real argument on notability is your last point, which you readily admit boils down to WP:CRYSTAL. If this article failed to be posted due to a genuine consensus over article quality, I would not be bothered. The reality, though, is that many votes are simply reflexively writing off bus crashes outside North America on notability, which is what triggered my comment. Flip^andFlopped ツ 03:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I found TV Azteca Guatemala and Prensa Libre (Guatemala). ArionStar (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

TV Azteca Guate. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Comment - I wanted to add that Guatemala is also in North America like the United States and Canada --Pithon314 (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Off-topic accusation/discussion

. Flipandflopped The fact that ITN made dumb mistakes other times doesn't mean it needs to make a dumb mistake today. I advise you to strike your implied accusations of racism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC) thebiguglyalien, I never once accused anyone of racism. I was very careful to explain my reasoning thoroughly and politely... if you are taking offence to an accusation of racism that you yourself have introduced into the discussion, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, please refrain from calling others "dumb". I don't think debating how you are applying WP:OTHERSTUFF to ITN further will be conducive of a respectful or helpful discussion, so I will leave it at that. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC) ? ArionStar (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Someone to collapse this part? ArionStar (talk) 01:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Agreed about collapsing, as this is an off-topic accusation. Done. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support The article is more put together and covers an important event with a large death toll in a part of the world that often isn't covered on English Wikipedia. NewishIdeas (talk) 07:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support 51 deaths from a bus crash is very notable. Also per above, a lot of previous crashes were also published, I don't see this as any different. TheHiddenCity (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Update: the death toll rose to 56: a investigation is underway; the article is bigger now. @Masem, Estreyeria, Moscow Mule, and EF5: ArionStar (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Prominent mass casualty event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Well, the article is good for now. ArionStar (talk) 02:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The details seem too thin. What sort of bus was it? Was it a chicken bus or what? Who was the operator and what was the service? Why was it going so fast? Is that normal? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  "Chicken bus" is an offensive term used by English tourists visiting Latin America. Totally out of place. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  I'm just going by what I read about buses in Guatemala, which indicates that the locals use a similar term in Spanish: camioneta gallinera. The point is to get clarity about the model of bus. Was it a pullman coach, a city commuter bus, a converted school bus or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 11:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Adding the information. The work of finding sources is time-consuming but I'm getting it. ArionStar (talk) 11:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  I see you've added some info about the passengers but I'm not seeing anything about the bus. There seem to be several theories about what went wrong but it still seems quite speculative. I wouldn't expect international sources to follow up and working from local sources will be difficult and take time, as you say, I suppose. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Yes but I don't see any reason for opposing due to it. ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson: information about the bus finally added. ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  That's a good detailed source you found – well done. But I'm not seeing where you get camioneta from as the source doesn't seem to use that word; just using the English word "bus" even in the Spanish version. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  It wasn't me; I've already moved Bus transport in Central America to the "See also" section. ArionStar (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support as a clearly notable topic, and in good enough condition (quality/length) for a MP outing. Serial (speculates here) 13:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  It is uncommon to see top leaders of other countries reacted to a bus crash. ArionStar (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. A bus crashed. Not an encyclopedic subject. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Update: the government of Taiwan sent condolences: [5] ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  By the way, the subject has already 4 language hiperlinks. ArionStar (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Maldives too ArionStar (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  The {{cite tweet}} template is kinda problematic… Any hint? ArionStar (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Oh… The bot just corrected it! Thank you, machine! ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Please do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  I'm just in the middle of source readjustment, it's the first time I'm doing a massive work like that. ArionStar (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  You have commented here more than 20 times. You need to stop. Stephen 04:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  There is no reason for anyone to police another users comment activity. Pretty ridiculous. NewishIdeas (talk) 05:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  But, as WP:BADGER makes clear, overloading the discussion can ultimately be counter-productive. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

•  Done The 2025 Guatemala City bus crash#International part was written and sourced. ArionStar (talk) 06:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC) P.S.: I'm commenting on the improvements I did in the article.
• Support Article looks good in terms of sourcing and the high death toll does make it blurbworthy IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Removed (Ready), there does not appear to be a consensus here quite yet. Black Kite (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Broader, tangentially relevant discussion of WP:NOTNEWS and ITN

. @Black Kite: 9 in favor (including a strong support) versus 6 against (including EF5 opposing on quality before that being improved); I guess it's a rough consensus, IMHO… ArionStar (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC) And I still oppose. Events like this are strikingly common. EF5 13:03, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Indeed. And it's strikingly common for them to appear in the ITN: 2021 Bulgaria bus crash, 2023 Gualaca bus crash, 2024 Thailand school bus fire, 2024 Minas Gerais road crash, for example. All with lower death tolls than this. A tragic discussion. Serial (speculates here) 15:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC) And every time, we have the exact same argument. One faction argues we are promoting un-encyclopedic articles about transportation accidents in violation of WP:NOTNEWS. A second faction decries a double standard and objects that those opposed are making WP:CRYSTAL type arguments by insisting these accidents must meet a speculative bar of lasting significance even when they have widespread coverage in reliable sources. We need to have some sort of clarifying overarching policy discussion, that has broader community buy-in, and settles this ongoing never-ending argument at ITN. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Per NOTNEWS, just because sonething gets widely reported doesn't necessarily make it appropriate to include in WP, since our goal is looking how topics are treated over time, not from a burst of coverage. If this accident happened in 1990, pre internet and 24/7 news, we'd likely never have had the coverage and thus no article on it. This is not dismissing all transportation accidents, but we should be looking at the higher bar if an accident is actually going to have lasting significance before rushing off to create an article on it, much less feature at ITN. if one really wants to write these types of articles we have Wikinews for that and if turns out the event has lasting significance it can be transwikid to en.wikibto to expand as an encyclopedic article. This is still currently not a good encyclopefic article as it is written like a newspaper. Masem (t) 19:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC) It isn't CRYSTAL to say we currently don't have evidence of sustained secondary coverage. Saying that we might have it in the future is CRYSTAL. Articles should not exist until after that evidence comes into existence and is presented. Until then, this fits perfectly fine on a list of traffic incidents. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC) That's my point, we feature these types of accidents all the time, in my opinion too much. And I'm not saying that doesn't make this crash notable, it's obviously a horrible incident, just that readers aren't going to want to know about a bus crash every few weeks (more or less, you get my point). — EF5 19:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC) If our rationale for what we post is "what readers want to know about", it makes no sense that we pass on high-casualty accidents and celebrity deaths (e.g. Liam Payne), while consistently blurbing small elections in Liechteinstein or the outcome of Darts tournaments. Contrary to what you said, I actually think these crashes are instinctively supported by editors precisely because they generate outsized amounts of public interest (thus spurring the global news coverage). The reality is, people want to read Wikipedia articles which explain high-casualty accidents, much more than a majority of the other things we post. If it is a current event being widely discussed by reliable news sources, and has a freestanding subject article which meets WP:GNG, post it. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:52, 12 February 2025 (UTC) I disagree with the "people want to read Wikipedia articles which explain high-casualty accidents" part you stated. If that was the case, 2024 Minas Gerais road crash (at ITN two months ago) wouldn't have only ~500 monthly pageviews, the biggest spike being when it was at ITN. We feature these too often, and my stance on that won't change. I also agree that NOTNEWS can apply to this. — EF5 19:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC) The Guatemala bus crash has a wider local and global coverage/aftermath. That's the point of notability. ArionStar (talk) 20:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC) A burst of coverage, even if international, is not a sign of notability. We expect enduring coverage, which is the problem for most of these accident articles. Unless it involves something heavily regulated that we see a long tail of cause seeking and blame, accidents like this only stay in the news for a few days and then are likely never covered again. Masem (t) 20:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Exactly. Many of these crashes are quickly forgotten by the media, I’d say because of how much they happen. EF5 20:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC) So, what's WP:DIVERSE? ArionStar (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC) It's one of several criteria to be met for an event to considered notable. The first is the enduring coverage which also must be considered. Those aren't to be read in isolation. Masem (t) 20:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC) An underway investigation counts as a "enduring coverage"? ArionStar (talk) 20:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC) "Enduring coverage" would be coverage that endures after the event is no longer in the news cycle. Coverage of the investigation is still live coverage, not enduring coverage published in retrospect. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC) This is simply not how this policy is interpreted by the vast majority of editors across Wikipedia, and to a dramatic extent. We quite literally never wait months before we create articles about widely covered tragic events, including types of tragedies which are "frequent", like bus plunges. For example, we routinely create articles immediately for American mass shootings, even though similarly to bus plunges, they are "frequent". The same is true of plane crashes, knife attacks, van attacks, police shootings, and youth suicides that make news headlines... In my humble opinion and respectfully, the onerous interpretation of WP:NOTNEWS you are proposing is so dramatically different to how it this policy is widely interpreted in practice, that a more appropriate place to argue for that interpretation is on the talk page of that policy, as opposed to litigating it through ITN nominations about Guatemalan tragedies. FlipandFlopped ツ 06:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Masem, I know this will likely be immediately criticized as a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, but there is a problem with how onerous your "enduring coverage" criteria is, when it is just blatantly being very inconsistently enforced. I would argue that a sizeable chunk of even our ITNR items, such as the recent Liechtenstein elections as one example among many, do not come anywhere close to meeting the high bar of enduring notability which you describe. The effect is that WP:NOTNEWS ends up being a sledgehammer that is used only selectively and in a systemic manner against certain types of articles based on the subjective opinions of individual ITN contributors (and sometimes even their cultural or social biases, although for clarity I am not accusing any individual of that here). FlipandFlopped ツ 21:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Elections create a govt that lasts for multiple E years, so they clearly have enduring impacts. The problem is that too many editors are creating news articles and not encyclopedic articles, failing NOTNEWS and NEVENT in the first place. That problem leaks into ITN because these news articles are being nominated. — Masem (t) 23:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC) This comes across as rather insensitive to people who work hard to keep these kind of articles up-to-date and would like some recognition for it. Liechtenstein matters just as much as any other country and just because you don't see the value in that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. I've spent a lot of effort ensuring that the article is expansive, up-to-date and sourced, so you seemingly arguing that a national election is NOTNEWS comes across as poor faith. TheBritinator (talk) 02:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Update: a complete list of victims was released; the number of passengers is still to be determined; the cause remains under investigation. Definitely not "WP:NOTNEWS". By example: King Air F90 prefix PS-FEM plane crash in 2025 is clearly what WP:NEVENT doesn't represents; no diversity, low enduring impact, etc… ArionStar (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

WP:BLUDGEON. Take a deep breath, step back, and let the process unfold. And given that discussion of this nomination is still ongoing, I think it'd be better for someone other than the nominating editor to flag it as "ready" if/when the time comes. My final comment on this one. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Showing distinct arguments… ArionStar (talk) 00:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

@ArionStar Your WP:PROD nomination of that article feels a bit WP:POINTy. Please don't try to use other articles as a way to demonstrate your thoughts TNM101 (chat) 06:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose a tragic accident of no encyclopaedic consequence. Stephen 04:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Another day, another case of ITN getting heated about a bus plunge. 50 people dying in a singular incident in a non-warzone area shouldn't be controversial from a notability angle for people, and it's actually INSULTING that we have so many established editors that don't believe this even meets NEVENT. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  +1. ArionStar (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support Prominent mass casualty event, article in good shape. I'm honestly kind of shocked by the opposition. Plane crashes with significantly less casualties are regularly posted, but there's massive opposition to a deadly accident in a method or transportation mostly used by poor people. –DMartin 00:21, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment This has received significant international coverage, including from The New York Times(USA), the BBC(UK), Straits Times(Singapore), and Der Spiegel(Germany). –DMartin 00:29, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support per Flipandflopped. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:37, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Before the blurb becomes stale, what's the result of all this discussion? Appropriate for ITN or not? ArionStar (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  I'd be willing to call this ready. –DMartin 03:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Feel free to mark it. ArionStar (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Better… Pinging @Robertsky again. Another rough consensus here. ArionStar (talk) 05:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  The last blurb was just posted hours ago. Posting now means that the accompanying map will be bumped off after just a couple of hours. We have roughly 40 hours before Feb 10 becomes stale, and we don't have new blurbs to rotate the current 5 out all at once as well, I don't think it is that urgent as posting the Feb 9's blurbs in the last couple of days. I will look at this again before then, and if no other admin has decided on posting or not. – robertsky (talk) 05:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  If this is posted now, it will still go in as the top blurb because the others are all older. But most mainstream news sources show the story as 5 days old. The President announced 3 days of mourning but that's over now. And so it's not really in the news now. It would look odd to have this as the top ITN story when there are newer and bigger stories such as the Munich conference, the Munich car attack, the attack on Chernobyl, the African Union election and so forth. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:01, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  It happened with Baltic states synchronization with CESA and 2025 Kosovan parliamentary election, occurred on February 9; no problem since it's not stale yet. ArionStar (talk) 12:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  There are 12 supports and 7 opposes, and that's before we WP:DISCARD the "it's notable because people died" thing. There's WP:NOCONSENSUS. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  There're two strong supports… Let's wait for a last-hours admin decision before its deadline. ArionStar (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  For the love of god, please stop WP:BLUDGEONing the discussion. You've made 34 comments under your own nom, and by this point you could probably be brought to ANI. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

  Courtesy-tagging @Stephen for input as an admin who previously warned the user. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Romanian president

Article: Klaus Iohannis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Romanian President Klaus Iohannis resigns from office. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President of Romania Klaus Iohannis (pictured) resigns from office, and is succeeded by Ilie Bolojan.
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR as change in head of state. Announced today, but he said it'd happen on Wed. Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until it happens (within a day if my time zones are correct). Will give time to likely know how the replacement process will go to include in blurb. Masem (t) 15:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Wait, and a new blurb should be in order. Seems very bare-bones for now. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Comment - is it worth noting that he's called for the second round of elections to start again? I have to admit i myself dont know much about that part, but i agree with the wait. TrainSimFan (talk) 17:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Wait until it actually happens, the support. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@Chorchapu: It happened. ArionStar (talk) 20:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Support, this is big news for Romania and has many consequences for the country. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 01:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Wait. Until it has a new successor. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose -- this is not ITNR, because the president of Romania does not administer the executive. He is not the Head of Government, that role belongs to the Prime Minister of Romania. I've also removed the itnr label. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  According to your the link you provided the Romanian president does wield executive powers, although not necessarily the same powers as the prime minister so this is in fact ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  President of Romania#Powers and duties confirms this. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Per List of current heads of state and government, Romania is one of the few countries where both the PM and President wield executive powers and so both qualify as ITN/R ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  That's not true, we only consider those heads of states where the green cell is marked, as they administer the executive. The President of Romania is not that. Nonetheless, even though this isn't strictly ITNR, it can still be posted, especially if it has political ramifications. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  The President of Romania does administer the executive, signs laws, has veto powers and appoints and fires ministers, including the prime minister, among other powers. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  The cell is marked green for President on the line for Romania ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  It is now, it wasn't when I posted that. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  It was when I first posted my comment too. Looks like a bit of an edit war is going on at that article at the moment. The cell is back to blue as I write this now. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support now that he has resigned. Added altblurb with successor if people prefer to include that info ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support as he finally left office. Good to go. ArionStar (talk) 17:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Wait The Honours section lacks sources. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Support. Major political event, crisis in Romania. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support -- having thought about this more, whether this is strictly ITNR or not, it's clear that his resignation is a serious political event in Romania that deserves to be posted. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Ready and Question: Is it related to the 2025 Southeast Europe retail boycotts? ArionStar (talk) 16:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  No, it's more related to the election held earlier this year, whose first round was annulled by the constitutional court. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Posted without picture for now. I've queued it to be protected, so we could swap it out, but I'm actually inclined to say that the map of Europe is more useful as an image right now, since readers may not know where the referenced regions are located. Sam Walton (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2025 Sri Lanka blackouts

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Article: 2025 Sri Lanka blackouts (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sri Lanka faces nationwide blackouts after a monkey breaks into a sub-station in Sri Lanka's electrical grid (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Monkey causes a ripple effect in Sri Lanka's massive power outage that lasted for hours.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Sri Lanka faces a power outage after monkey had disrupted a key sub-station in electrical grid.
News source(s): BBC; Sky News; The Guardian; ABC News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Most important news that is making headlines in Sri Lanka and across the globe considering the main factor behind the power outage is due to a monkey. Abishe (talk) 14:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - While funny, power seems to be returning and the effects seem to be limited. If the monkey strikes again, I could be persuaded to change my vote. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Monkey strikes? I didn't even know they were unionised. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose lack of power for a few hours is not ITN appropriate and may even be a NOTNEWS issue. Masem (t) 15:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support: Though discussions could be on quality, which is not that bad, this event is far more better than other which get posted albeit NOTNEWS. Isn't this what Masem says, ITN is to showcase Wikipedia articles in news and not necessarily a serious news business who shall shy from posting something hurting its so-called reputation. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 17:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
  • At the same time, WP is not a newspaper, and articles created about t events with no lasting impact or coverage lack the required notability and should not be featured on the main page. This is more an amusing news story ( an outage caused by a monkey) and really doesn't have a place on WP. If you want news, Wikinews is that away, we are here to feature quality articles about topics that happen to be currently covered by the news. — Masem (t) 18:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Better fit for DYK. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, not important per Masem and mike_gigs, the interesting part is the monkey which makes this more suitable for DYK per The Kip. --SpectralIon 18:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, might have made it if it had been a whole series? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

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(Closed) Microplastics in the brain

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Article: Microplastics and human health (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Microplastics (pictured) are found to be increasingly polluting human brains. (Post)
News source(s): Nature; CNN; Science Media Centre; Smithsonian; Times;
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: There's a wave of news stories based on this recent paper in Nature Medicine. This was published as a preprint last year but has now been peer-reviewed. Our articles seem to need work to digest this but I'm not going to be able to do that all myself. Perhaps there's already some others working on this? The issue seems potentially quite serious and significant and so, despite the current deficiencies, we should give it some consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - The target article and the article linked in the blurb are different, which one are you proposing? Both have quality issues, but one looks a little easier to fix. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  Maybe Microplastics and human health could be linked to polluting. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 14:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not sure which is the best article for this. Other candidates might be plastic pollution and health and safety hazards of nanomaterials. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose this is hardly a "current event". Studies about this are in the news all the time. Estreyeria (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Esteryeria. I'd love to see more medical and science stories, but something like this regarding microplastics where the information has been trickling out for years make it difficult to find an appropriate point to post. Masem (t) 14:40, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Not a “current” story. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• My starting point for this was the report in the UK's newspaper of record yesterday which said, "This study, published in the journal Nature Medicine, made headlines around the world last week." It is therefore "in the news". Andrew🐉(talk) 18:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  last week

  So you yourself have just admitted it’s stale? The Kip ^(contribs) 21:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• No. WP:ITN explains that "older than the oldest entry in the current "In the News" box is considered stale". The Nature paper is dated 3 Feb and the news coverage then followed. The oldest blurb is currently the Grammys and they happened on 2 Feb – 8 days ago. That's what's stale. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per above, this is not an event, it is a constant trickle of papers about microplastic pollution and this is merely a coincidental wave of them. --SpectralIon 18:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support, it is a new study, the sources provided above range from 3rd February to yesterday. The researchers have found around a spoon of microplastics in our brain, I think this is more notable than the winner of the Superbowl. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Esteryeria TheHiddenCity (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. If there was a current event here it'd be the new study, but there is no article for that study (linked, or as far as I could tell, on Wikipedia) and thus I agree with Esteryeria. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Peter Tuiasosopo

Article: Peter Tuiasosopo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, EW
Credits:

• Nominated by harizotoh9 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor, known for playing E. Honda in the 1994 Street Fighter film. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Filmography section is entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Filmography needs some more sources. Close though! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, filmography needs more sources. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

February 9

Portal:Current events/2025 February 9

February 9, 2025 (2025-02-09) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024–25 Tyre airstrikes Six people are killed and two others are wounded in Israeli airstrikes near Jannata, South Governorate, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Gaza war 2025 Gaza war ceasefire According to ceasefire terms, the Israel Defense Forces fully withdraw from the Netzarim Corridor as Palestinians return to northern Gaza. (DW) Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war Two women are killed by Israeli forces in the Nur Shams refugee camp in Tulkarm Governorate, West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Libyan crisis Authorities uncover two mass graves containing nearly 50 bodies of refugees in Kufra, Libya. (Al Jazeera) Naxalite–Maoist insurgency Thirty-one Maoist militants and two security forces are killed during a shootout around Indravati River in Chhattisgarh, India. (Al Jazeera) Mexican drug war At least five bodies are abandoned under a bridge near Cárdenas, Salamanca, Guanajuato, Mexico. A banner allegedly signed by the Santa Rosa de Lima Cartel was found at the crime scene. (Milenio Noticias) Disasters and accidents 2025 Sri Lanka blackouts A nationwide blackout occurs in Sri Lanka. Energy Minister Kumara Jayakody says a monkey triggered the mass power outage after "coming into contact" with a grid transformer at a substation near Colombo. (BBC News) One person is killed and at least 28 others are missing in a landslide in a village near Yibin, Sichuan, China. (Al Jazeera) (Miami Herald) Five people are injured when a Green Line train collided with an out-of-service train in Somerville, Massachusetts, causing both trains to derail. (WWLP) International relations Baltic states synchronization with CESA Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania join the Continental Europe Synchronous Area, one day after disconnecting from the IPS/UPS. (BBC News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Egypt announces it will host an emergency summit of the Arab League on 27 February to address U.S. President Donald Trump's proposal to resettle all Palestinians from Gaza. (AP) Politics and elections 2025 Ecuadorian general election Citizens of Ecuador vote to elect a president and the members of the National Assembly amidst the country's security crisis. With around 44% of the popular vote each in the presidential race, incumbent Daniel Noboa and challenger Luisa González will compete in a run-off vote on 13 April. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News) 2025 Kosovan parliamentary election Citizens of Kosovo vote to elect the members of the Kuvendi. (BBC News) 2025 Liechtenstein general election Citizens of Liechtenstein vote to elect the members of the Landtag, with the Patriotic Union winning the most votes and its leader Brigitte Haas expected to become the country's first female head of government. (SRF) Sports Super Bowl LIX In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles beat the Kansas City Chiefs, 40–22, to win their second Super Bowl, thereby denying the Chiefs of a three-peat. (WCAU-TV)

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(Posted) 2025 parliamentary election in Kosovo

Article: 2025 Kosovan parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ruling party Vetëvendosje, led by Prime Minister Albin Kurti (pictured), wins a plurality of votes cast in the Kosovar parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

• Support - not sure why no one is voting for this, but it's ITNR, too. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Good prose. ArionStar (talk) 11:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support, this article is fairly good quality and these elections will have many effects for a long time in Kosovo. While we’re at it, should the article be moved to “Kosovar...” instead of “Kosovan...”? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 15:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Notable election, article looks good. Should probably have been posted already. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted I was waiting for the image to be protected, and IRL activities caught up to me. – robertsky (talk) 10:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Robertsky: could you relocate to the top of the section? It happened on the same day of the Liechtenstein one and it wouldn't stay for long if it's third in the column… ArionStar (talk) 12:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  @ArionStar ah... somehow I mistook the date. it is fixed. – robertsky (talk) 14:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Edith Mathis

Article: Edith Mathis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Heimstern (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swiss soprano Grimes2 (talk) 07:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support Although I'd like to see the lead expanded a bit, the article is good for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support I concur. Sound coverage and sourcing. --PaulBetteridge (talk) 14:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I added more, a bit to the lead also. There's a wish list on the talk, and more lead is one of the items. - Difficult to summarise such a diverse career, - help wanted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Beverly Byron

Article: Beverly Byron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pemilligan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. Congresswoman. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Article looks good enough (C level). Adding a couple more sources might be better, but there are citations throughout. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Rutherford Chang

Article: Rutherford Chang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American conceptual artist. Death announced 9 February. Thriley (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: Article is much too short to be considered for notability at the moment. Highresheadphones (talk) 06:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Article is a stub. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose: Way too short. Article is a stub. TheBritinator (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose 2 citations, 113 words, stub class. Not long enough for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Article has been expanded. Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 16:49, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tom Robbins

Article: Tom Robbins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E879:7EF4:6A8B:98D2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SounderBruce (talk · give credit) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American novelist. 240F:7A:6253:1:E879:7EF4:6A8B:98D2 (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is long enough and has enough citations to be considered ITNRD level quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support per Fake. Jusdafax (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support - looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Adequate for RD. No ISBNs for his publications, but they're there on the individual books' articles (for which kudos: having a complete bibliography w/ articles for each is unusual). Moscow Mule (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  A reader shouldn’t have to go looking in linked articles for references. Stephen 01:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Well, I said that on the offchance someone might take the hint. If no one does, and I'm at a loose end later... Moscow Mule (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Five cn tags with some paragraphs completely unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  @TDKR Chicago 101 I have just added several references to combat those CN tags. Mind taking another check? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

• Posted Issues last raised seems resolved. – robertsky (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Baltic states join CESA

The regional electricity grids in Europe

Article: Baltic states synchronization with CESA (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Baltic states join the Continental Europe Synchronous Area after disconnecting from the IPS/UPS. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Baltic states complete their synchronization with the Continental Europe Synchronous Area electrical grid after disconnecting from the IPS/UPS.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

 ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support This is a notable geopolitical development, and the article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Added nomination header. @ArionStar:, could you please make sure to add your nom header when nominating next time? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 03:12, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  So sorry! ArionStar (talk) 03:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support An interesting insight into the world's infrastructure. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Pretty big power grid news, and it doesn't involve an accident! Very noteworthy indeed. Yo.dazo (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support definitely in the news and meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Article quality is also good enough to be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Significant development that's in the news & target article looks sufficiently detailed with no glaring issues.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 12:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - Added altblurb to clarify that the CESA is an electrical grid ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

oppose nothiing notable about this fringe news story.Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - a technical change that has next to no actual impact on anybody. nableezy - 17:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: I can't say I'm convinced this is ITN-worthy. TheBritinator (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nableezy. Somewhat important from a geopolitical standpoint, but not to the level of ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Interesting, but I don't know what this actually means. Does changing grids mean that the Baltic states are no longer reliant on Russia? Does this have any impact on energy production or energy reliability? Natg 19 (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  For example, a Russian power outage could affect the Baltics, or even an attack on the region's electric power system could happen more easily. ArionStar (talk) 01:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• The article makes it fairly clear that the Baltic States have unplugged from the Russian grid and plugged into the main European grid instead. It's the electrical equivalent of joining Schengen. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Obviously major technical change, but also offers a glimpse into Baltic states' distancing from Russia. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 09:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support A complex technical and industrial accomplishment, which also has major geopolitical implications on the future of Eastern Europe. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Support important geopolitical development. Makes you wonder why it took them so long. Scuba 20:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'd support if significance could be demonstrated by sources that describe why it's significant. This is just recitation of the sequence of events. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  I concur. It certainly seems like something significant enough for ITN to my non-expert eyes, but I cannot tell as the article does not demonstrate why this is significant. Curbon7 (talk) 01:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Thebiguglyalien: BBC. ArionStar (talk) 13:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support, significant and unusual event, article in decent shape. CMD (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:45, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
• Marked as Ready since a rough consensus seems to exist. ArionStar (talk) 14:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
• Throwing in an additional support here as well, per Andrew and others above. Interesting from both a technical and political perspective. Yakikaki (talk) 21:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Robertsky: good to go? ArionStar (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• Posted. There is a rough consensus to post. – robertsky (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Amal Nasser el-Din

Article: Amal Nasser el-Din (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is too short for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 03:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Little to no info about this life between 1928 to 1961 is covered. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 Liechtenstein general election

Article: 2025 Liechtenstein general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ General elections are held in Liechtenstein, with the Patriotic Union winning 10 of the 25 seats in the Landtag. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ General elections are held in Liechtenstein, resulting in a win for the Patriotic Union with 10 out of 25 seats in the Liechtenstein.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas (pictured), wins the plurality of the seats in the Landtag of Liechtenstein.
Alternative blurb III: ​ General elections are held in Liechtenstein, with the Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas (pictured), winning 10 of the 25 seats in the Landtag.
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TheBritinator (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 TheBritinator (talk) 00:34, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support: The article, including the results table are well cited. Moraljaya67 (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Added altblurb2. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support: Automatically notable per ITNR which includes the general elections of any sovereign state. Article is in good quality. We previously posted the results of the 2021 Liechtenstein general election. --Pithon314 (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article's quality is good enough for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality article has table of results but no prose about the election or results itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment the article is not in bad condition, but, as Joseph says, the results section should have prose and a “reactions” or “aftermath” section would be desirable. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  The election happened a day ago. I'll add some prose but information is still coming in. TheBritinator (talk) 14:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Joseph2302 & @Alsoriano97: I have added some prose about the results. Hope this helps. TheBritinator (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry been busy, article looks fine now (so consider this a post posting support). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Support looks good enough for me. @TheBritinator if you are involved in this article, I think it would be good to make some reference to the reactions and the aftermath. But good job. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support Looks like good quality article and also notable enough. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt 2 Good and ready. ArionStar (talk) 23:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Support no quality problems. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: _-_Alsor (talk) 11:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

@Schwede66, Black Kite: the admins delay is a problem… ArionStar (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Weekday mornings (UTC) are always an issue for admins; much of the USA is asleep, and European admins are regularly at work or college (I just happen to work from home on Wednesdays). Anyway, Posted with alt2, will insert the image when it's protected. Black Kite (talk) 12:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• And done. Black Kite (talk) 12:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

ArionStar, you say: the admins delay is a problem… No, it is only a problem in your head. Someone will get to it if and when they have time. I for one don’t appreciate multiple pings for the same item. And just so you know, there are editors who I ignore regardless of what they have to say; make sure that I don’t add you to that list. Schwede66 14:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose The article for Brigitte Haas is four sentences long and is a complete stub. Schwede66, I don't think it is at the quality level needed to justify having her portrait prominently featured on the main page. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Support pulling portrait, ITN portrait article being a stub seems undesirable. Is it policy to always make election winners the portrait? I would have kept Nujoma or Jalen Hurts. LocoTacoFever (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  There are no quality requirements for non-bolded articles, and we picture the top blurb when a suitable picture exists. Stephen 20:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Stephen, and why is that? A picture stands out far more to a viewer than bolded text. Logically, readers are far more likely to click on the article linked to a giant picture which occupies a decent chunk of the ITN "real estate", relative to something merely in bold. Overly rigid interpretation of the rules should not end up in us guiding thousands of people to click on a four-sentence stub article from the Main Page: WP:BUREAU and WP:IAR were written with a situation like this in mind. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Flipandflopped, I'm not sure why you pinged me as I did not assess the nomination nor posted it. However, I do agree with Stephen; that's not the bolded article. Schwede66 22:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

  Apologies, that was my error. I misread the thread! Flip^andFlopped ツ 05:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? The image caption isn’t linked. Stephen 03:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  The image caption is not linked, but her name is directly adjacent to the image. The image being there encourages the reader to click on the adjacent article link and calls attention to it. I don't have any "evidence" for that; to be frank, that just strikes me as common sense. Flip^andFlopped ツ 05:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  The main page is based around the bolded links being the ones clicked. Stephen 05:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  If the dominant theory is that bolding something makes someone more likely to click it, then including an image which is exponentially more prominent to the eye than bold text logically follows. But the article has been improved in any event - kudos to TheBritinator for doing that. So this is indeed a moot point now, just expressing my own opinion that we should not include images which correspond to stub articles. Flip^andFlopped ツ 06:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

  There is no quality requirements for non-bolded articles. Seems like a moot point. TheBritinator (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

RD: Oleg Strizhenov

Article: Oleg Strizhenov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): announcement from his aide to RIA Novosti
Credits:

• Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jaguarnik (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Not long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

  Length isn't a requirement for RD. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

  Length does become an issue if it does not properly detail notable aspects of the person's career/why they are notable. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Support article looks good. Scuba 14:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Career section needs expansion and the award section needs sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Super Bowl LIX

Article: Super Bowl LIX (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl (MVP Jalen Hurts pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl (MVP Jalen Hurts pictured).
Credits:

• Nominated by Ahuman00 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit) and BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Per WP:ITN/R and examples of these articles being found in previous ITNs. I understand this ITN may be postponed until after the completion of the game. Ahuman00 (talk) 06:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Reluctant support since I don't believe the American Hand-Egg Championships should be ITN/R, but, until such time as that's corrected, they are This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

It generates more revenue than anything other than [possibly] the world cup of soccer. It is far more notable that kicking a ball around aimlessly and without strategy for 90 minutes.49.206.5.189 (talk) 11:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Gee, which is the more popular sport globally? On top of that why does Yank Football stop and start every second with little play for most of it?--2A00:23C7:4F92:4E01:9C74:2862:F1BB:11D4 (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM. ---- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Wait then support. We will wait for the results and support as an ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Procedural close notability isn't in doubt because it's ITN/R. It's not in a fit state to post until it says who wins and has a match summary, which won't be for over 16 hours. Therefore any debate is moot. We may as well start a nomination for the 2028 presidential election as that is on ITN/R. Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
• Added altblurb with SBMVP, but can we PLEASE not nominate stuff of this (scheduled events) hours before they happen? Please and thanks. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:47, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

It seems that someone is in a hurry than me around here. Lol ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support per ITN/R --SpectralIon 03:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, wait for quality – there are still a few CN tags in the article and the game summary is still quite lacking—obviously this is ITNR and this may as well be one of the most notable events this year, but some time is needed before posting. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
  • Only one CN tag now—I can thrust my full support now. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 06:14, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support because it's the biggest sporting event in America and it's the norm for it to be on ITN. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 03:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Also, I should add that I support the alt blurb so we can add Hurts' picture and explain that he's the MVP winner. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 03:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose I do not believe sporting events should qualify for ITN/R. If the event has nothing to show outside of its results or its events, excluding things such as world records; it simply does not make sense to include it. By this logic, PAX East should be ITN/R

PikminFan9000 (talk) 03:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@PikminFan9000 this isn’t a discussion on whether or not sports items should be ITN/R. This is a discussion on whether or not this article is good enough quality to be posted to the main page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

While I understand this, something like the super bowl will always receive a high level of attention from editors and is all but guaranteed to be ITN. It feels disingenuous to allow people to state opposition to something that passes through regardless without allowing them to address the root cause. I will acquiesce and agree this probably belongs on the ITN/R talk page, at least under wiki's guidelines PikminFan9000 (talk) 04:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. Added "ITNR" parameter. The Super Bowl is listed in the ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support: Adding the Super Bowl to ITN has been a precedence that has already been set, I don't know why we would make an exception for this one. Also, due to the current circumstances, I predict that this Super Bowl will be seen as one of the more culturally impactful ones. -MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 04:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support. E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles! Also, almost everything is referenced now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support: Even Messi, Koke and FIFA president Gianni Infantino didn't want to miss the game! CoatCheck (talk) 05:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Reminder The Super Bowl is ITNR, there is no point in supporting on the nature of the story. !votes here should focus on the quality of the article, only. --Masem (t) 05:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Awesome work by the boys in this one and great to see Jalen and Nick get their due. Article looks good to go, though of course some additions can and will be made eventually, but nothing that should disrupt quality in any meaningful way. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES! DarkSide830 (talk) 05:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Per ITNR and the article looks in great shape. --Pithon314 (talk) 06:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Support — Only one CN tag left so more than ready for posting. DecafPotato (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. I'll add the image when it's protected. Black Kite (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Image added. Black Kite (talk) 08:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Picture didn't last long (a day at best). No idea why. Watch the next soccer photo be up for a week. CoatCheck (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• CoatCheck Because another story with a suitable image came along; this happens all the time. Note that the one that replaced it has since been replaced itself. If the image lasts only a few hours, we do sometimes delay the later image use, but this one was fine. It's nothing to do with what the article is about; all are treated in the same way. Black Kite (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting support for obvious reasons, but agree that this shouldn’t be nominated until the game is actually over - it’s premature otherwise. Congrats Birds. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

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