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why my account reported? 112.201.189.109 (talk) 11:29, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is History Of Yoruba's continued disruption, edit warring, and Yoruba POV pushing after temporary block expired. Thank you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

March 2025 United States attacks in Yemen

Hello! You seem to have removed my NPOV flag on the above article without following the Wikipedia procedures for such things - i.e. to resolve the neutrality issues raised. Can you explain why you did that?

Nobbo69 (talk) 09:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:Driveby, which I linked in my edit summary. You’re supposed to highlight issues on the talk page so people know what the problem is (which you didn’t even do in your edit summary). Kowal2701 (talk) 09:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Ultimately, people shouldn’t have to guess what the issue is, and opening a discussion on the talk page is the most constructive way to address the problems, otherwise articles stay with big garish tags that no-one’s minded to solve. Kowal2701 (talk) 09:34, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

You can also {{ping}} main contributors. Kowal2701 (talk) 09:58, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Vandalism and suck puppetry

@0xDeadbeef @Favonian @User:Abecedare @User:Acalamari @User:Orangemike @User:Parsecboy please I need your intervention these people @Oramfe, @OmoIyaLeke@Kowal2701@Adakiko and @TheM1sty are all sock puppetry accounts been run by one person I have been investigating @Oramfeand @OmoIyaLeke for a long time they are always on Edo, igodomigodo, and Benin page distorting history and changing history here are the list of pages they vandalized

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_and_Abere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igodomigodo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogiso_monarchy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Ogiso

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akoko_Edo

I will be glad if you look at this issue what they did was create multiple accounts and get it extended user and try to abstain from warring on Wikipedia and then any Edo / Benin person who comes to correct his or her history they will will report and tagged him or her of sock puppetry Ogieosazee (talk) 04:15, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Eurocentrism

Why did you remove the sources on the page when you copied in a section? Drew Stanley (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Because those sources weren’t used, they were lingering from an earlier rewrite Kowal2701 (talk) 05:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Actually that’s my bad, there was an issue when I copied the sources from the other page, I should’ve copied from the visual editor rather than source text. But the only ones used are the ORE and Shillington’s encyclopaedia Kowal2701 (talk) 05:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

What's wrong with the Roberts and Fanon sources? Drew Stanley (talk) 16:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Nothing, they just weren't needed, tertiary sources were used instead because they summarise the literature and are more likely to be NPOV. The two that were used are really high quality, the ORE especially, but tbf I haven't read Roberts' or Fanon's sources. The Roberts source is from 1978 which is too old, I generally don't used pre 1990s sources for African history and try to lean heavily on recent sources due to strides made in research and European attitudes to Africa. Thanks for letting me know about this Kowal2701 (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I see - I highly recommend Fanon if you're interested in Eurocentrism and/or postcolonialism. Thanks for the tip about recent sources. Drew Stanley (talk) 19:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

March

Hi Kowal2701! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of an article several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. BlackVulcanX (talk) 09:16, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Side topic

About this comment: I would be interested in seeing any studies you can recommend that are specifically about advertising crisis hotlines in news articles.

I'm aware of research that says people who call [and also choose to participate in voluntary surveys] self-report short-term improvements. I'm aware of crisis hotlines saying that they can't do good research because the calls are anonymous. (Alcoholics Anonymous has made the same claims for decades.) But I'm not looking for "If you call, do you [claim to] feel better?" studies. I'm looking for "Did the actual death rate decline when newspapers started advertising these phone numbers?" studies. So far, I've seen none.

If you can find any, please share them with me. I will always be interested in this, so if you also can't find any now but see one a couple of years from now, please let me know then, too. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:05, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Will do, sorry I misrepresented discussion a bit by saying scepticism was of hotlines themselves (think one comment was but didn’t gain traction). Tbh idk whether you could do a study to assess that. But advertising increases number of calls [1], and presumably people calling need the services. Pretty surprised there isn’t more literature on this though, and that all media companies are just making assumptions Kowal2701 (talk) 05:12, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

A before/after study should be feasible. For example, the 988 system in the US was implemented to great acclaim in July 2022: were the 2021 and 2023 death rates any different? A quick look suggests that the death rate went up from 14.0 to 14.2 during that time, so my preliminary answer would have be 'no'. There are doubtless confounding factors, but since different countries implement their different guidelines in different years, you should be able to control for things like the state of the global economy.

We do have some reasons to be skeptical of the hotlines themselves, as the level of evidence is low, the service quality is variable, etc. There are reasons to believe that the media companies are trying to engage in virtue signaling ("We care so, so much about you") and liability reduction ("We followed all the rules! That death is not our fault!") and thus don't actually care whether the ads save lives.

That said, for the purposes of the current discussion at Talk:Suicide methods, the relevant question is not whether the hotlines are helpful, but whether explicitly advertising the hotlines in this specific context is helpful. AFAICT nobody knows the answer to that question. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:08, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe so, but only with people who are in a turbulent crisis looking for a lifebuoy, people who are more resigned, I doubt it will help. And it doesn't have to rescue someone from a crisis to be helpful, just making that curious reader aware of them could be helpful for if they're ever in a crisis. This is just imagination though Kowal2701 (talk) 22:05, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

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Name change

Leopard269 (talk) 20:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

hello can the "list of african great lakes kingdoms" page name be changed to african great lakes kingdoms or great lakes kingdoms of africa? Leopard269 (talk) 20:34, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, yes, see Help:How to move a page. You can do a WP:Requested move if you want more discussion, guidance is at that link, or you can just WP:BOLDMOVE it. See WP:CRITERIA which is what we use for deciding on article titles. Personally I’d go for Kingdoms of the African Great Lakes. Although we could move the page to History of the African Great Lakes if we wanted to widen its scope? Kowal2701 (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

@Leopard269:, would you still like to do this? Kowal2701 (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

i prefer using less words so "african great lakes kingdoms" sounds better imo. I'll do it later as im not too used wiki editing yet. Leopard269 (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Leopard269, WP:CONCISE is one of the criteria, but I don't think "African Great Lakes kingdoms" makes grammatical sense as it's two nouns right next to each other rather then an adjective and a noun. But you can move an article by clicking the "Tools" button in the top right, then "Move", and fill out the form. Kowal2701 (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Article

Hi @Kowal2701, As you mentioned in your user page i would like to collab in those topics . Would you like to suggest me some topics and sources , so that i can start working on it ? Miamiller777 (talk) 16:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

I'd love to! Is there one that particularly interests you? Some of the less time-intensive ones are Orombo who founded an empire in the 19th century (one of the Chagga states), Kaphirintiwa which is a hill important in Chewa religion in Malawi (it has features that look like footprints and it's believed that was where the first humans set foot), perpetual kingship which is where the successor to the throne adopts their predecessor's name, relationships, duties etc., any of the ethnic group ones, or really any of the ones listed there. I usually just use Google Scholar and Google Books to find things, and then the Wikipedia Library to access the ones behind a paywall Kowal2701 (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Okay , thankyou for the suggestions , I will particularly look into orombo Miamiller777 (talk) 04:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Great! Here's the text from the Oxford Dictionary of African Biography's entry on him link

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Mangi (king) of Keny in the southern Rombo region of Kilimanjaro (in present-day Tanzania) from c. 1800 to 1837, also known as Horombo and Rombo, was famous for having initiated a socio-military revolution and religious reformation in Chagga that brought it in line with the western world at the time, thereby ending Mamba’s rule over eastern Chagga. He unified by conquest all of eastern Chagga under his rule, then met with Mangi Rengua of Machame at the Nanga River between Mochi (Old Moshi) and Kiruwa in 1823, and they agreed that each should rule unmolested over his own half of Chagga. When Orombo became the Mangi of Keny, his realm was tiny and insignificant, as for the past one hundred years Mamba, succeeding Ugweno, had dominated eastern Chagga. Each mangidom consisted of localized patrilineal clans having noble warrior and cattle-keeping lineages whose male and female youths passed initiation rites that continued to be synchronized by Ugweno and uninitiated serf lineages who did the agricultural work. Agriculture was assisted by artificial irrigation. This social and economic organization also included a polytheistic religion that involved the sacrifice and immolation of virgin daughters at the inlet to the irrigation channels. Long-distance trade by caravans connected Chagga with the Indian Ocean coast since long before the inception of Islamic Swahili society about 1200 CE, the caravan business itself being undertaken by such intermediate ethnic groups as the Digo and Kamba, but not the Swahili or Chagga. This began to change only toward the end of the eighteenth century. Mamba’s hunting grounds became depleted of elephants, though there were still plenty in the plains below Rombo. Orombo strove to subjugate the several mangidoms of Rombo so as to acquire a monopoly on their ivory production. To achieve this, he enlarged his fighting force by freeing his serfs and those of the conquered realms extending initiation to them and enrolling them in his army. The demand for ivory, Kilimanjaro’s chief export article, rose steeply on the world market with the expansion of piano manufacture and the increasing popularity of the game of billiards. In order to meet this demand for ivory, Swahili and Arabs traders decided to take caravans to Kilimanjaro themselves. There they were confronted with the kind of polytheistic religion that the Quran declared an abomination to be eradicated from the earth. Under pressure, the Chagga, beginning under Orombo, reformed their religion into their own kind of monotheism. A cholera epidemic decimated the Chagga, especially the then still extremely dense population of Mamba in 1808, thus crippling its defenses. By 1823 Orombo had gradually subjected to his rule all the mangidoms from Useri to Kiruwa, spreading his social and religious reforms. On the Nanga River he met with Mangi Rengua of Machame and concluded a non-aggression treaty with him. After building a stone fortress for himself, he became a despotic ruler. He died heroically in 1837 in a battle with Maasai who wanted to prevent him from poaching in their elephant hunting grounds below Rombo, the part of Chagga that was named after him.

If there are more sources you can't access, feel free to ask me or folks at WP:RX, they're always happy to help. Kowal2701 (talk) 09:08, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a lot , I will start working on that .I Will update you . Miamiller777 (talk) 11:23, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I hope you are doing well , I did do a small research about the topic, 'Orombo' . Just wanted to ask how many sources we need generally to submit it as a draft ? Is one from that oxford journal enough ? Miamiller777 (talk) 07:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, the guideline is WP:GNG, but as I understand it, three sources usually means it’s safe from WP:AFD. You can request a pdf of this book at WP:RX. There’s snippets of this source you can use. Kowal2701 (talk) 08:11, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

But yeah, sourcing is unfortunately very weak Kowal2701 (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Kowal2701 , Also what is the current consensus regarding Indicscripts or roughly non english script usage in articles ? Can we incorporate forign scripts for (name translations) in the articles we create or in other articles ? I believe it is restricted, but i can see such scripts on pages like see- Rama Sithanen. Miamiller777 (talk) 03:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

The policy is WP:INDICSCRIPTS, unfortunately they’re generally warned against because people kept arguing and edit warring over which ones to use. Other non-English scripts are completely fine to use, usually in the first sentence and infobox (MOS:FOREIGNEQUIV) Kowal2701 (talk) 06:31, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Sabaeans in the Horn of Africa

When are you planning to work on that article? It got renamed 2 weeks ago 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I’ll have more time to do it next month, dw it’s on my radar. Kowal2701 (talk) 08:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

FTN Close

Thank you for this close[2] - glad the discussion was closed promptly and we didn't have to go a few more months of relitigation. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:26, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

No worries, although it probably still went on for longer than it should have Kowal2701 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)