The long-awaited Cody Bellinger trade has arrived. The Yankees and Cubs announced a trade sending Bellinger and cash considerations to the Bronx in exchange for right-hander Cody Poteet. Chicago is reportedly paying down $5MM of the $52.5MM remaining on Bellinger’s contract. They’ll pay $2.5MM of next season’s $27.5MM salary and send another $2.5MM in 2026 — either covering a portion of his $25MM salary for that season or paying half of the $5MM buyout if he opts out of his contract next winter. New York reportedly plans to use Bellinger as a center fielder.
Bellinger heading to the Bronx is a logical fit and it has been in plenty of rumors recently. At the start of the offseason, the Yankees lost Juan Soto, Alex Verdugo and Anthony Rizzo to free agency, opening up two holes in their outfield and one at first base. Since Bellinger has played both the outfield and at first, the 29-year-old was seen as a possible fit for their 2025 plans in various ways. The Yanks pursued Soto for a long time but he eventually landed with the Mets, pushing the Yankees to several backup plans. They have since signed left-hander Max Fried and acquired right-hander Devin Williams to upgrade their rotation and bullpen.
For the Cubs, Bellinger has seemed expendable for a few reasons. On the one hand, Pete Crow-Armstrong emerged as a viable glove-first center fielder in 2024, which was Bellinger’s primary spot the year before. Michael Busch also took over the first base spot. With Ian Happ and Seiya Suzuki in the outfield corners, Bellinger was a bit squeezed. The Cubs only compounded the problem when they acquired Kyle Tucker from the Astros.
However, beyond the roster crunch, the Cubs were also likely motivated to move Bellinger due to his decline in performance. After some rough years with the Dodgers while recovering from shoulder surgery, the Cubs took a bounceback flier on Bellinger in 2023. After being non-tendered by the Dodgers, the Cubs gave Bellinger a $17.5MM guarantee on a one-year pact, hoping he could get over his injury woes and return to being the player that won Most Valuable Player in 2019.
He didn’t get all the way back to that level but was still great value for that investment. He stole 20 bases and hit 26 home runs. He only struck out 15.6% of the time. The reviews of his center field defense were mixed but were mostly close to league average. He also moved to first base on occasion. He slashed .307/.356/.525 for a 136 wRC+ and produced 4.4 wins above replacement, in the eyes of FanGraphs.
Perhaps the Cubs would have been happy to walk away at that point. They gave Bellinger a qualifying offer and didn’t seem to have a very high motivation to re-sign him, but nor did any other clubs, as Bellinger remained unsigned through late February. Eventually, he and the Cubs agreed to a three-year, $80MM deal with opt-outs after each season.
On that kind of deal, the best case scenario for the club is that the player performs well and then opts out. If the player doesn’t opt out, it means he doesn’t like his prospects in free agency, which likely means he got hurt or underperformed.
Bellinger’s production did indeed slip relative to 2023, though it wasn’t disastrous. He stole nine bases and hit 19 home runs. His strikeout rate held steady at 15.6%. He slashed .266/.325/.426 for a wRC+ of 109. His center field defense was still graded as around league average but he spent less time there due to the aforementioned emergence of Crow-Armstrong. He produced 2.2 fWAR, half of the year before.
Going into the offseason, it was a borderline call as to whether Bellinger would opt out or not. He could have taken the $2.5MM buyout and taken his chances, leaving a $52.5MM guarantee on the table. While he may have been able to beat the $50MM difference this winter, he decided to stay, perhaps due to the way the current contract is allocated. He will make $27.5MM in 2025 with a $5MM buyout on his $25MM for 2026. There’s a best-case scenario for him personally where he plays better in 2025 and then takes the second opt-out, returning to the open market with greater earning power, pocketing $32.5MM in the process. He decided that was more attractive than opting out this year.
It seems fair to conclude that the Cubs would have rather he opted out. Trade rumors surrounding Bellinger have been flying all offseason and now the Cubs have moved on from him, mostly for salary relief. By taking on the majority of that salary, the Yankees haven’t had to give up much, though there is financial risk and the deal has more downside than upside.
If Bellinger plays especially well in 2025, he will trigger that opt-out. That will leave the Yankees having paid him $27.5MM for one year, which is the best-case scenario for them at this point. Though if he doesn’t play well or finishes the upcoming season with a notable injury, he will stay on their books for 2026, with the Yanks on the hook for $22.5MM of his $25MM salary.
The Yankees are also repeat luxury tax payors, which will add to what they are paying Bellinger. If they end up above the highest threshold as they did in 2024, then they are slated for a 110% tax on spending over the top line, so any new additions to the roster effectively cost double. That compounds the risk they are taking with Bellinger but the same would be true if they had instead opted to sign a free agent or acquire another player making a notable salary.
Bellinger has been a very streaky player in his career, so it’s anyone’s guess which of those outcomes is more likely in the upcoming year. As mentioned, he’s shown MVP upside but followed that up with a stretch so bad that he was non-tendered. He roared back in 2023 but dipped a bit in 2024.
All that being said, it’s understandable why the Yankees would be interested in taking this risk. The free agent market features outfielders like Teoscar Hernández and Anthony Santander, but they will likely end up with larger guarantees than Bellinger. Santander is reportedly looking for a five-year deal and Hernández three, each likely hoping for an average annual value of $20MM or more.
They are also both bat-first guys with poor defense, whereas Bellinger is capable of being a strong defender in an outfield corner or perhaps passable in center. The Yanks played Aaron Judge in center a lot in 2024 while using Verdugo and Soto in the corners, though it seems that Judge is now slated to return to right field. That’s a sensible pivot since Judge’s marks were poor this year and he’s about to turn 33, meaning the long-term toll on his body would have to be considered. The Yankees may have continued to have Judge up the middle if they had re-signed Soto but after he signed with the Mets, it was reported the the club was planning to move Judge back to right and have Jasson Domínguez get a crack at the center field job.
Now that they have landed Bellinger, it seems he is Plan A for center. As mentioned, the advanced metrics have been a bit split on his viability there. In over 4,000 innings, he has been credited with 10 Defensive Runs Saved. However, most of that positive value came earlier in his career with the Dodgers. He’s been average or below for four straight years now. Outs Above Average, however, is far more bullish. That metric has given Bellinger a grade of +19 in his career, having him at par or better in every season of his career.
Perhaps there’s a scenario where Domínguez seems like the better option and pushes Bellinger to a corner, but there’s no guarantee he will be a capable big leaguer in 2025 at all. He tore through the minors and then debuted with a splash in 2023, but he then required Tommy John surgery late that year, which put him on the shelf for a decent chunk of 2024. He then missed more time this year due to an oblique strain and has only appeared in 26 big league games at this point. He will likely still get a shot at taking the left field job next to Bellinger and Judge but isn’t guaranteed anything, with guys like Everson Pereira and Spencer Jones around to give him some competition.
The Yanks didn’t have many other options if they wanted to find a solution for center field. The free agent market is arguably led by glove-first Harrison Bader, who they weren’t likely to sign anyway after a bad experience trading for him in 2022. The trade market has other options such as Luis Robert Jr., though all reports have indicated the White Sox are setting a high asking price even though Robert is coming off yet another injury-marred season.
It’s also possible that they change their plans, depending on how the rest of the offseason plays out. They reportedly have interest in various first base options, such as trade candidates Josh Naylor or Nathaniel Lowe, as well as free agents Pete Alonso, Christian Walker, Carlos Santana and Paul Goldschmidt. But if they can’t complete a deal they like there, they could always pivot back to Hernández and/or Santander or some other outfielder, sending Bellinger to first base in that scenario.
For the Cubs, they are likely happy to get the majority of Bellinger’s salary off their books but also take a flier on Poteet. The 30-year-old has 83 innings of major league experience at this point between the Marlins and Yankees, missing the 2023 season while recovering from Tommy John surgery. He returned to the mound in 2024 but also missed about three months due to a right triceps strain.
He tossed 24 1/3 innings in the majors this year over four starts and one relief appearance. He allowed 2.22 earned runs per nine with a 16.7% strikeout rate, 8.3% walk rate and 42.3% ground ball rate. He also made ten Triple-A starts with a 3.92 ERA, 27.2% strikeout rate, 8.3% walk rate and 40.7% ground ball rate.
The Cubs already have a solid rotation mix consisting of Justin Steele, Shota Imanaga, Jameson Taillon, Matthew Boyd and Javier Assad. They’ve been connected to Jesús Luzardo in recent rumors and also have Jordan Wicks, Ben Brown and Cade Horton in the mix. Poteet still has options and can slot in as Triple-A depth for the Cubs.
Financially, RosterResource now has the Cubs with a competitive balance tax calculation of $192MM, almost $50MM shy of the $241MM base threshold. They went a bit over the line in 2024 but it’s unclear if they are willing to do so again in 2025. It’s also unclear if they have any other big moves planned now that they have added Tucker and Boyd. The bullpen could certainly use some upgrades but the club has generally shied away from big splashes there.
RR puts the Yankees at a $270MM payroll and a luxury tax calculation of $292MM. They had a payroll around $300MM last year and therefore still have a bit of wiggle room for other moves if they are willing to get to a similar level next year. The top tier of the tax starts at $301MM next year, so they are not far from getting up to that 110% tax rate, but are already at a 95% rate at their current level.
They are still on the lookout for help at the infield corners, with Jazz Chisholm Jr. likely slated to be moved from third to second base, though adding a second baseman and keeping Chisholm at third is also a possibility. Perhaps a trade of Marcus Stroman could help in multiple ways, as he is making a notable salary and arguably surplus to requirements in the rotation.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported that Bellinger and cash were going to the Yankees for Poteet. Jack Curry of YES Network first had the $5MM total. Jesse Rogers of ESPN reported that it was split into $2.5MM per year while Passan added that the second half would be coming regardless of the opt-out decision. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported that Bellinger has been told he’ll be playing center field for the Yanks.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
Yankees fleece again
DigglinDickers
Cody is burning a fatty
GhostofRandySavage
Good for Codys everywhere
Yankee Clipper
Ohhhhhhhh, yeah! Mach out!
Samuel
The Yankees, Dodgers and Mets are making a joke of MLB’s system as to how franchises around the sport retain and acquire top players.
In no way is this capitalism. It’s a form of a monopoly.
Owners of franchises in the NFL and NBA are licking their chops as their sports will become even more popular around the country 12 months a year.
El Kabong
What does your comment have to do with the Yankees acquiring Cody Bellinger? He’s not a top player, nor is he being “kept” by one of the teams you mentioned.
El Kabong
More: Do you pay attention to what’s happening in the NBA? It’s becoming less popular, not more popular.
bkbk
Cool it Fidel. Belli is cooked and this deal has a ton of potential to be horrid for the stripes.
JackStrawb
@Samuel You sound like what Americans claim social*sts sound like: “Anything that shows capital*** in a bad light “isn’t capital***!!”
Catuli Carl
The NBA is seeing its lowest viewership in a long time. Every game is just a three point competition. Basketball has been solved with the currently rules and it’s extremely boring.
Samuel
Taxpayers and municipalities around the country fund parks for these franchises – and lose their top players.
Enough.
Congress needs to review MLB’s anti-trust exemption. The are unquestionably unfair trade practices going on.
bruinlife33
MLB headed that way too. It will be too boring to watch
bullred
Yeah even if you disregard Bellinger’s reduced range and negative fielding scores in center this year and reduced plate coverage and reduced bat spe…. Ok, yeah he’s cooked!
chiefnocahoma1
As if capitalism and monopolies are mutually exclusive. Yikes.
baseballfreak25
NBA sucks!
Portland Micro-Brewers
@samuel you whiney fans complain about this for decades. It used to be the Red Sox and Yanks. Then it became the Dodgers and Padres were ruining baseball now you can add the Mets after cohen and soon the Orioles when Rubenstein starts spending. Don’t you root for the Phillies? Bryce Harper and Trea Turner are $300 million contracts too. Stop crying
Buffett
Correct. It won’t stop anytime soon either. Which is why teams like STL are going to 100M payrolls. It’s a 3-4 horse race
LETS GO METS/JETS/KNICKS
Who is your source? the NBA as all sports are breaking attendance records annually.
Buckner
I do not understand the comment from the Yankees that Bellinger will primarily play CF. They have Dominguez who might be their top prospect. And Bellinger is not **that** great a CF’er. Really thought he would be slotted in for first base.
kingbum
Have you watched the NBA? Neither have I….It’s ratings are dropping as fast as CNN…
Yankee Clipper
Buckner: It’s not the fans who are saying that; it’s what was reported via the media. If Yankees fans had our way, I’m fairly certain most of us would have Bellinger in LF or at 1B.
Buckner
Got it. I don’t even understand LF. He’d be very good at 1b, saves them an over-pay of Alonso or Walker, and they have the Martian for CF already.
Keithyim
The big spending teams are making baseball a joke, like when the rangers and diamondbacks played in the World Series last freaking year.
Redstitch108* 2
So my post is “awaiting moderation” because I called the Yankees “Skan_kees.” What a joke. How sensitive we are!
Dash 2
Because, even though he’s no Juan Soto, few teams can afford him. Think the Royals, Pirates or even the Orioles would love to have him? The Cubs gave him away for practically nothing but salary relief. The Yankees, Dodgers and Mets have bottomless pockets, so there’s very little risk.
Classicfinder
Musk and his band of merry billionaires will solve it. Baseball fans and this country have been sold out to the real elites. Not those fake ones you constantly hear about on Fox.
rememberthecoop
I don’t feel he’s cooked. At least not all the way through. He’s medium rare at worse.
Blue Baron
Redstitch: A salary can’t happen now because it would need to be collectively bargained with the MLBPA, and they will never agree to one since it creates a fixed pie of compensation where for one player to make more, another must make less.
Salary caps are terrible for players and fans. The only people who benefit are owners, and who roots for them?
And what difference does it make where MLB offices are located?
Blue Baron
Redstitch: What are you talking about? The comment was posted.
Killer of Ignorance
The thing is, big market teams are simply playing by the rules currently in place. Although it wouldn’t be a bad idea to close that loophole of deferred money that the Dodgers have been exploiting lately. Look at the huge taxes the Yankees and other teams are forced to pay for going over the tax thresholds. Which is then showered on the teams with lower payrolls who more often than not just bank that money instead of spending it to improve their clubs. If a smaller market team cries poor they shouldn’t have bought a MLB club in the first place. And look how the smaller market teams, if they struggle to compete, are awarded the highest draft picks allowing them to choose the best players for their clubs. If a smaller market team is smart with their draft picks, know what they are doing with their player development programs, along with the other benefits they are given to help them be successful, they can compete and have success. Small market or not. Look at Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and Kansas City, just to name a few off the top of my head. I suggest you write a letter or E-mail to the team you root for and demand they spend more of that money they undoubtedly have and instead of buying a yacht or another summer home somewhere, invest in more expensive free agents or trade for players with larger contracts to enhance the other benefits they are getting and start racking up some W’s.
Killer of Ignorance
Well, since Bellinger is a streaky player, who wasn’t 100% last year, is trying for a better contract, and will be hitting in a lineup with a heckuva lot more protection than he had with the Cubs, with something to prove, and throw in the short porch in right, I like the move. And to all you Yankee-hating, all-knowing prognosticators, who are positive Bellinger will suck, you should add HOPE to all your predictions, as in you “hope” he’s cooked.
ThatsIT?
You’re an imbecile
Blue Baron
That’s IT?
Killer of Ignorance
Portland, Do you mean to say Samuel is a Philly fan? After all the whining?! Wow! My mind reels with sarcastic replies. 🙂
ThatsIT?
You too, surprised you had time to read this site boras must have let you have screen time again. Daddy boras.
Killer of Ignorance
Actually, attendance is up as far as the number of people who actually attend the games. But television ratings are down, being partly blamed on the numerous networks that are now carrying the games. Apparently, a lot of folks don’t have all the networks that now carry the games, so they are confused as to where they can watch the games from night to night. Some give up in frustration and end up watching reruns of Seinfeld. 🙂
Killer of Ignorance
Explain that, smart guy…
Raymond Flagstaff
lol nba is crying about low ratings, partly because there are no dynasties… try again!
Raymond Flagstaff
nba is trying to allow contact again, going back to a 90s vibe. brunson towns is fun
Raymond Flagstaff
were arizona and texas two of those horses?
Raymond Flagstaff
you mean they lie annually, obviously. how could they break attendance records yearly? are you kidding me?
xfactr
Steal? You’ll be lucky if he gets you 20 HRs next season.
Tomas80
Chris Illitch is one of the richest owners in baseball and us losers here in Detroit never get a good baseball team, so, there’s that. PS: Red Wings.
Blue Baron
ThatsIT: Well, as they say, it takes one to know one. You trolls tend to stick together.
kingbum
TV ratings my source….the actual Nielsen ratings
WadeBoggsWildRide
To be honest MLB isn’t capitalist enough for me. It is a monopoly after all. If it was truly capitalist there would be no luxury tax or revenue sharing. Players would also not be held to the minor league contract system. No draft just highest bidder for prospects who would sign a contract with any team they chose.
GarryHarris
I was going to say the same thing. Cody Bellinger will play 1B for NYY. They need to address their sloppy play and Bellinger is more help at 1B than CF.
old elpaso
But none of the teams you mentioned are guaranteed to get the ship next season. The NBA is much more predictable. NFL, not so much
old elpaso
MLB is far from broken. Russia Russia Russia
MLBtheSho(hei)
The Rangers won the WS in ‘23…not the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets. Smart drafting, smart investments are what set teams apart. Dodgers are perennial contenders because of their talent assessment. Money doesn’t solve problems, just ask the Angels, Blue Jays, Giants and Cubs. All 4 of those teams missed the playoffs and have top 10 payrolls. Angels are paying over $60mil to 2 players that can’t stay on the field. Jays are overpaying for Springer and aging starters like Bassit and Gausman. Cubs are paying more for their manager than the A’s payroll.
toptimrubies
I’m still not sure if Samuel is 70 years old or 7.
Steinbrenner2728
@baseballfreak25, judging by your past comments complaining about MLB players “making too much money”, no surprise you don’t like the NBA…
Whiskey and leather balls
I bet the “breaking attendance annually” must be why they had to come up with an “in season” tournament. Get a clue
Raymond Flagstaff
They wont admit it but going woke crushed them imo
stymeedone
@blue baron
For one player to make more, another must make less.
That’s already the case with most teams. That’s why there are non-tenders. And its usually the bench guy that gets cut as they approach $5MM in salary. The players on the negotiating team for the union are all big money guys. They don’t want a cap. The owners won’t vote for a cap because the large market owners won’t give up their advantage.
As to salary caps being terrible for players and fans, the Most Popular Sport in America, the NFL, disagrees with you.
stymeedone
Dear Cincinnati Reds,
Please use every penny of the shared revenue on New players. We don’t understand why you insist on paying current salaries, or other expenses with it. $100mm player payrolls should be nothing to you, even though your market is 1/6th the size of the big markets. I’m sure the cost of operating your stadium, your travel costs, and your farm system are all 1/6th of the big market teams as well. So no excuses, spend, spend, spend!
Sincerely,
Killer of Ignorance fan
lfcredsox
what are you talking about not capitalism,it’s the epitome of it
stymeedone
And the Rangers didn’t make the playoffs in 24. The advantage to the big markets is they are almost guaranteed a shot every year. Texas. KC, Arizona, not so much.
bwmiller79
Bellinger is overpayed, but is coming off two productive years with the Cubs, is a former ROTY and MVP and is only 29 yrs. old, my take on Bellinger is that the early success and the LA party life got to him and vamped away his immense talent, but no reason he can’t get it on track, and he seems to have done so in Chicago, so the Yankees got a good deal here. Has 30HR potential, and is still a good defensive outfielder, can cover first base for the Yankees too.
Cubs meanwhile must be signing Pete Alonso, I can’t understand why else they would trade Bellinger’s bat.
bullred
Yeah don’t just hand the teams money but make the support contingent on the amount of spend in the following year.
Tigers3232
@bull Yes Bellinger has regressed defensively. But splitting games between 1B and CF is not an ideal situation. That’s a rather dramatic switch and better suited for adjusting in offseason.
Playing 1B is more of footwork and reflexes. Whereas OF especially CF a fielder is getting a quick read on ball, moving, tracking, adjusting, etc. A good first step is huge, but that’s the case in most team sports. The adjustment between the 2 positions is very doable. Doing so mid-season is anything but ideal. Adapting between judging and reflexes is tough at any level. Doing so on the fly to MLB hitting is rather cruel.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Bk his is not cooked he is baked and hallucinating… maybe he will supply the team???
WadeBoggsWildRide
Once a monopoly is attained the company no longer has to abide by the rules of Capitalism, no competition means worse products. Collusion between companies equates to monopoly as well, this is where you see price fixing and planned obsolescence. True Capitalism is the most efficient means of innovation. It is the sole reason for every positive aspect of modern society. Without Capitalism we would all still be serfs living in huts. Communism is just the way the people in power put us back there.
WadeBoggsWildRide
The Angels would like to disagree
deweybelongsinthehall
Blue Baron: not necessarily but for the MLBPA to consider real changes, owners would have to fully open their books.
imissjoebuzas
Nothing spells Monopoly like Communism.
WadeBoggsWildRide
It is literally a monopoly on commerce.
GooseGoslinGuy
One of baseball’s saving graces is the potential for supposedly threatening or envy-inducing trades to go South in a big way. If Belli does not perform at the hoped-for level, the hue and cry in NY will be deafening, as will the laughter everywhere else.
GooseGoslinGuy
A salary cap would be nice, though that hasn’t stopped 9 NFL teams from currently holding records of 4-10 or worse.
Tigers3232
@WadeBoggs Where is this Capitalism you speak of? I’m not sure how anyone cam say America has an economy free of outside influences with a straight face. Through Super PACs Wall St, corporate America, and special interests all but flat out buys politicians and who rely on them to have their campaigns funded.
Tigers3232
@Goose A salary Cao has seemed to work in the NFL. The NBA on the other hand has numerous clauses and exemptions. Trades are primarily composed of salaries being swapped to accommodate the trade of a player or even just to clear cap space. It is a joke what it has become.
Raymond Flagstaff
Right, every team should be 7-7 sounds fun
Raymond Flagstaff
The failure to maintain capitalism is the fault of people. the fault of communists is communism.
Raymond Flagstaff
Worked at what? Driving everyone towards mediocrity like communism does before it kills the target and self immolates? Guess i know why i havent seen a football game in 5 years lol
Lilscrappy
I’m about to light one up too in his honor! It’s still 4:19 in Chicago.
rondon
Man, as a Cub fan I loved Bellinger. I hate to see him go. Yankee fans are gonna love him too. He brings more than his talent to your team. Teammates loved him. He mentored PCA in CF and showed the kids what a pro is all about. As a bonus, beyond his defense, he’s gonna love that RF porch. Cheers to you and I hope he kills it in NY!
Lionoflambs
Could be Jake Arrieta 2.0?
Miken31
I don’t think Bellinger is all that good. I don’t think he ends up making a big impact for them.
Yankee Clipper
He isn’t, he’s above average though, and based on some of the OF and 1B production they had the past couple seasons…. He may as well be Barry Bonds to us.
cheugy
I think you’ll get some good power production from him in Yankee Stadium. Wishing him well, unless he’s playing the Cubs.
slider32
Bellinger has a gold glove and averaged 3 WAR for his 8 seasons. He is a good upgrade for the Yanks because he can fill 2 needed positions. His age, and being a lefty hitters can’t hurt in Yankee stadium. He also has won a championship with the Dodgers.
bullred
Yeah that good! Talk about what he has done in the past. Totally relevant for the upcoming season! He has some upside for sure.
LouWhitakerHOF
The Yankees add Bellinger, Fried and Williams after losing Soto. I like the moves. I wish my Tigers added them.
Dogbone
Clipper You guys got a good one! Congrats. What makes me mad, Yanks got him for NOTHING!
Hell, Cubs gave up a terrific prospect for one year of Tucker.
This only is forgiven if Ricketts plans to immediately extend Tucker (which isn’t likely), or immediately spend Belli’s $30M on a FA pitcher – NOT trading minor league prospects for a run of the mill SP.
Yankee Clipper
Thanks Dogbone.
larkraxm
He also is a former MVP with a high ceiling. I don’t think he has multiple MVP seasons in him, but he definitely could produce for a season or two in a lineup that has Judge and Stanton for protection.
dasit
he’s an AWAP* which is just what the yankees need
*anyone with a pulse
Bob Sacamano 310
He’s guaranteed to play at least average defense in CF, keeping Dominguez and Judge in corners. Plus, I like his swing for that park.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Bob
Pretty sure he’s being bright in to play 1b. And pretty sure Dominguez will be in CF since that’s his natural position.
Mynameisnoname
KFCF: An addition to the article from Nightengale says he’ll be the CF. J Dom I guess will be learning LF this Spring.
Yankee stadium has a ton of LCF space to cover so you almost need two CF patrolling anyways.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@My
I’d rather have the younger legs in CF and put Cody in LF. Actually I’d rather have him at 1b. it’ll be interesting to see what they do next. Will they sign sometime or find the job to Rice?
Baseballisthebest
No guarantee there Bob since Bellinger has been below average on defense in CF the last 3 years.
Mynameisnoname
@KFCF I agree man. J Dom is fresher and more comfortable in CF. I thought they were trying to fill LF with the Belli back and forth myself.
Ben Rice is pegged for a 115 wRC+ via FanGraphs. If you could get that notarized and in writing, I’d say roll with him, but if not, my guesses would lean towards a Goldy/Santana signing, maybe Walker and a perfect storm prove it contract for Alonso the least likely of rumors.
rondon
Please.. Average? He’s still an absolute stud defensively at 1B and any outfield spot. And he’ll hit 25 HRS into that RF porch.
Pete'sView
No, I think Bellinger is better suited in one of the corners now. Despite what the article says, there’s been plenty of data to suggest Bellinger is barely average in center.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Miken
I can give you several reasons to likely say your opinion, but I’ll employ brevity and make it succinct. He “ain’t” 2024 Rizzo or Lemehue. That’s a win right there.
good vibes only
He’s better than Rizzo that’s for sure
JackStrawb
A “big impact”? No, probably not, but for roughly $30m he’s a fair bet to put up around 3 WAR and has an upside in the 4-5 WAR range. Between Williams, Fried, and Bellinger the Yankees have already at least replaced Soto, and have a respectable shot at getting 10 wins from that groups vs the 6-7 wins Soto projects to put up.
They’ll miss Soto less than most think. Some ‘generational’ player:
2018-2024:
Matt Chapman 35.2 bWAR
Juan Soto 36.4
Marcus Semien 37.4
Miken31
It’s debatable if they’ve replaced Soto, but the bottom line is even with Soto they had to improve. So even if they replaced Soto, they have work to do anyway to get better. And it’s hard to say because Bellinger has been such a boom or bust player in his career. Who knows what version of Bellinger the Yankees are getting?
stymeedone
He won’t be as impactful as Soto, but is a big upgrade from Verdugo.
Rothbard
Bellinger will be better defensively than Soto and more versatile. He will also have OPS around 800. This is a steal.
Now they can sign Burnes with the earmarked cash and really step up as next year’s favorites.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@Rothbard I still think the Yankees need more but I do like the moves that they have made this offseason so far. Offense is what is going to be holding them back from a World Series championship. They need to replace Torres, Rizzo, and Verdugo’s production still. Neither of those guys did much but what they have right now is not an improvement. I don’t think its wise to pray that Dominguez is going to breakout this year. Chisholm can take over for Torres but that leaves Third wideopen. Currently all they have done offensivly is replace Soto was less production but better defense
Unclemike1526
Well the Cubs save 25 million this year and lose 2.5 million next year. And got a guy? I don’t care if he has no arms and is a P. Well done. I always believed that the most the Cubs should have had to send to trade Bellinger was 5 million. Now let’s see how Hoyer spends it. I admit I’m curious.
JonCor
Replacing Verdugo’s production will not be too challenging. Rizzo’s either, really.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Still add in Jazz for a full year, The Martians productivity – he should have his share of SOs but a good addition – work on his defense etc.
They’ll do something about 3B and 1B – even if just a platoon player
Maybe Jazz stays at 3B, I think he would be better at 2B
They don’t want to go way over the penalty salary budget but I don’t think they will sweat it for a year or two
They might also be able to trade off some players like Stroman – probably not DJL
deweybelongsinthehall
Vertigo did play overall very good defense. The kid last year when he got his shot, he looked lost. The Yankees will sign a first baseman but if he doesn’t get a good offer, I can see the Yankees re-upping with AV on a one year deal so he can reset his free agency next season if all goes right. Platoon with Dominguez remains possible as who is giving AV a multi year deal?
theonlydynasty
No. Verdugo is gone. Yes he played good defense, but was just way too useless at the plate. We’ve been waiting for Dominguez for years, this is his time, here is his shot. Besides, how would he reset his value in a platoon role?
rmullig2
Verdugo and Rizzo combined for a grand total of 1 WAR last year. Torres did 1.8 WAR. They can easily replace these guys with either internal options or low priced substitutes on the market and come out ahead.
coocoo20
What about Cabrera or Lemahieu or both
WadeBoggsWildRide
I figured $10m sent and nothing in return. Feel like the Cubs did pretty well on this. I do like Bellinger though and think he improves barring injury.
Chicken In Philly?
I think this shows they don’t want to sign another player who requires draft pick compensation.
Fernando P
@ Chicken – I have been saying since the start of the off-season. More than one QO guy wouldn’t make sense…and some people want them to sign three. I just don’t see them or any team forgoing that much draft capital and international bonus money.
Riffaxe
I wouldn’t call it a steal, he’s owed a lot of money for what he provides.
Miken31
Rothbard:
What “earmarked cash?” They aren’t going after Burnes.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Rothbard
I think he’ll be at 1b. I think that’ll be less wear and tear on his body, even tho he’s only in his hate 20’s. I think they’d ate several options still out there for LF that allows us to also add another LF bat. The only LH 1b still on the market would be the switch hitting Santana. But LF they can still look at Profar a switch hitter, Santander a switch hitter or maybe buy low guys like Jesse Winker or Joc Pederson. I even heard they might bring back Verdugo who I think might bounce back. He’s going enough and still has an above average glove for LF.
Baseballisthebest
Soto -1 DRS in RF
Bellinger -1 DRS in OF (RF and CF)
Soto 7.9 WAR
Bellinger 2.2 WAR
If you are trying to say he in any way makes up for losing Soto, you are mistaken.
If you had said he will be an improvement over Rizzo and LeMehieu then I would agree.
Gasu1
The goal is for the Soto replacement plus the Rizzo replacement plus the Verdugo replacement plus the Gleyber replacement to make up for Soto.
slider32
You could say that adding Williams and Fried have done that!
JackStrawb
@Rothbard It’s hardly a steal at 1/27.5m, or 2/47.5m if Bellinger’s bad in 2025, and if he’s competent and puts up a 2-3 win season in ’25 then you get about the right value for that price in free agency.
Even if he gives the Yankees his 2023 season in ’25 and opts out, it’s merely a good deal rather than any kind of steal.
stymeedone
He cost a 30 yr old minor league pitcher coming off injury, and Chicago tossed in money. Steal!
Baseballisthebest
$55 million including CBT fines for a 2.2 WAR player. What a steal!
/s
bullred
Rothbard – He’s a name for sure and should give the Yanks what you said. I was on the fence for my team to get him but there was better choices still out there still so I’m glad the Yanks are reducing the field. Not sure what happened to Belly he is not the same player.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
He has an OPS of 800 only once in the last 5 years.
PiazzaParty
He had an OPS once in the last 5 seasons Rothbard. I can see you being right but I dk how you can guarantee it.
Maybe he’ll be better with the short porch?
Pads Fans
Roth, he is not better. Bellinger in OF: -1 DRS in 2024. Soto in RF: -1 DRS. Its actually worse if you compare them over the last 3 seasons.
Bellinger will cost the Yankees much more than just the salary because they will have to pay the CBT fines too. Just double the numbers.
Ragnarok
Juan Soto
-16 OAA 2022
-9 OAA 2023
-5 OAA 2024
If it wasn’t obvious that Cody Bellinger is a better defensive outfielder. Well….
Pads Fans
OAA = a player’s range. Period. Learn what the stats mean.
If it wasn’t obvious that you are not well versed in defensive metrics, well…
Ragnarok
& if you want to compare them over the last 3 seasons using DRS youre still not telling the truth.
Do you expect others to not fact check you?
Ragnarok
Would you like me to post their DRS numbers?
Statcast’s fielding run value?!??! Or do you want to just push your narrative?
Pads Fans
jlittlez, do you expect me to pay attention to you when you don’t know what the stats MEAN? Go learn what they actually mean and then come back and discuss this like a big boy. Until then you can’t fact check anything.
I gave you both of their DRS stats for 2024. You can not LIKE them. It won’t CHANGE them. They are the truth of the matter.
For the last 3 seasons –
Soto is a -3 DRS in RF, his primary position.
Bellinger is a -3 in the OF 2312 innings in CF and 389 in RF
Bellinger is a -4 as a CF, his primary position.
Again, those are the plain and simple facts. You may not like them. They may not fit your narrative. They are the truth of the matter.
The Fielding Bible DRS stat is much more complete in measuring defense than any other metric right now with over 60 different factors taken into account depending on the position in a 24 state matrix for each and every play.
StatCast is getting there with FRV which measures range (OAA) and throwing, but its missing about a 2-5 dozen important actions that defensive players make.
Go visit sites like The Fielding Bible, study John Dewan’s writings, learn more about the stats and the game of baseball and maybe we can talk. Until then just shut up and read.
Baseballisthebest
Jbigz, how are you fact checking when I was right?
Ragnarok
I’m very familiar with defensive metrics. Baseball Savant does a great job with outfield defense. You typed a lot of words to tell me that DRS was created by the fielding bible (lmao) And that is your preferred measure. You used partial season samples for Bellinger while excluding Soto’s poor LF work. (Excluding Soto’s LF work is probably the most reasonable thing you did but then you eliminated an 3 year comparison because he played no RF in 2023.)
Bellinger is a better OF’er. Soto has produced throwing value to keep the DRS grade close to scratch. Belli can still run and throw! In the 77th percentile for both! I won’t be surprised to see who plays better D next year.
Pads Fans
Jlittlez, You didn’t realize that OAA only measures range even though it says so on their website. You expect anyone to believe you understand defensive metrics? That is funny.
Facts are facts and you obviously don’t know what the facts are.
Soto didn’t play any LF in 2024 and won’t be playing LF with the Mets. He is a RF. It has been his primary position in the past and he will be playing there going forward.
Bellinger will be playing CF in NY.
I used 3 seasons because it makes the sample size larger, which you need when you are talking about defense.
Last 3 seasons
Soto – 2575.2 innings played in RF. -3 DRS in RF
Bellinger – 2312.2 innings played in CF. -4 DRS in CF
Bellinger is not a better CF than Soto is a RF. Its really that simple, but apparently you are not able to understand even something as simple as that.
Come back when you get a better understanding of how this stuff works.
Gasu1
Bellinger played center. Higher standard than RF. Even if Bellinger is merely as good a CF as Soto is an RF (whatever that means), they get to move Judge back to RF. The right comparison isn’t Soto for Bellinger, but 2024 CF/RF with 2025 CF/RF. It’s a team sport.
stymeedone
Bellinger is capable of playing CF.
Soto is not capable of playing CF.
Any Questions?
slider32
Yanks have become a better defensive team with Bellinger!
Baseballisthebest
Bellinger is a below league average defensive CF with a 2.2 WAR last season.
Soto is below league average defensive RF with a 7.9 WAR last season.
Any questions?
Well, I do have one.
Do you realize that WAR takes what position they play into account?
Raymond Flagstaff
more versatile? lol
bwmiller79
Well it ain’t a steal at 25M per over two seasons but he is a fairly good player and a tremendous addition to the Yankees. The Yankees lineup is full of holes.
Raymond Flagstaff
25 for only 2 years aint bad. Slightly above the going rate imo . His bat is anything but a sure thing tho
SoCalBrave
Fleece? don’t think so. They only got $5M from the Cubs, I think it’s pretty fair trade
KnicksFanCavsFan
@So
I don’t want to rub it in and say it was a fleece but they have to nothing to get him so I’m pleased. Ppl have undervalued Belli. He hit 19 hrs in a park that’s not kind to lefties. a RF wall that’s 350 vs YS where it’s 314 can make a big difference. Sometimes a guy like Belli, a former MVP, just need a change of scenery.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Wasn’t Chicago a change of scenery? lol.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Darren
Bad stadium. Not playing for anything? Looking to have a great season so he can opt out and enter FA at 30?
DarrenDreifortsContract
Even if he has a big season he’s not getting some big massive contract. He’s been inconsistent and flat out terrible at times during the last 5 years and the Cubs literally just salary dumped him after 2 seasons.
rondon
He’s been a helluva a lot better than “flat out terrible” the last 2 seasons with the Cubs. He was outstanding the first season with them and above league average last season. Both years he played near gold glove level defense at 1B and in C and RF. He was was a huge favorite with his teammates and the fans and will make short work of the RF wall in Yankee Stadium. Get a grip.
Baseballisthebest
Lmfao Gold Glove. Thanks for the laugh.
towinagain
Kudos to the Yankees, a club that wants to win.
Padres, not so much.
Padres #punting25.
This one belongs to the Reds
Yanks (after days of talks): What do you want?
Cubs: I don’t give a patootie.
Yanks: OK, we’ll give him up.
Cubs: Who?
Yanks: Poteet.
Cubs: OK, if you throw in some Johnny Cash records.
Yanks: We’ll give you 5 mil. Buy your own
MediocreCardinals
The Yankees GOT $5M.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Patootie
DarrenDreifortsContract
Not come October.
VegasSDfan
Lost Soto, gained Cody.
towinagain
Padres lost Kim, Higgy, Profar, etc. and gained…
Nothing.
Catuli Carl
How is that a fleece? Cubs offload $22.5M and a league average player on both sides of the ball, make room in a crowded outfield, get back a promising arm, and free up cap space for pitching.
Yankees get a league average player who they have to pay $22.5M and lose a promising arm.
Baseballisthebest
That’s the thing, Bellinger is going to cost the Yankees double his salary because of CBT fines.
rmullig2
The Cubs got a 30 year old pitcher who’s appeared in a total of 24 big league games. He’s far from promising.
Unclemike1526
Who said he was promising? Oh him. Well he’s not really promising, Or young or even in the Cubs plans I doubt. Unless he makes it through cuts and ends up in Iowa.
Blue Baron
Catuli Carl: The only promising thing about Poteet is that he’s 30 and promises to be 31 next July.
jade 2
Actually the Yanks are paying 27.5 mil – Cubs offload 25 this year and 2.5 next 5 Mil opt out if good) BUT if Cody is hurt/bad and he doesn’t opt the Cubs have off loaded 47.5 total.
The Yanks originally wanted 10 mil off and the Cubs just said no and waited. The Yanks said they were going 1B shopping, Cubs said nothing and the Yanks came back with 5 mil off and a swing/reliever with options. The Cubs did well and it’s probably good for the Yanks too.
17dizzy
Paul Goldschmidt is the best choice the Yanks can make on a series of on year contracts!
Goldy is still a defensive whiz who will not only raise all of the Yankees infielders fielding percentages, he’s going to instantly improve the teams runs saved average numbers!!
Offensively… Goldy’s still going to hit is usual 20-30 homers a year.
I visualize Goldy as the last solid piece of the puzzle of a Yankees World Series Ring!!!
(That is unless…. The Yankees would like to add Nolan Arenado at 3rd and slide Chaz to 2nd!! Oh my— what an infield that’d be!!)
Blue Baron
17dizzy: Goldschmidt is a declining player at 37. You’re delusional if you believe he can lead any team anywhere.
JerryCavender
Meanwhile in the Northside there’s a party going on tonight with all that money saved
towinagain
It’s the same with the Padres.
Budget Champs!
Baseballisthebest
The San Diego Padres, a bottom 5 revenue ball club for most of their history, are top 5 in payroll for 2025 as of today.
That makes them “Budget Champs”?
I want the team I root for, which is a top 3 revenue team, to start spending at the same level as the Padres. Hear that Henry? The Padres are embarrassing us and have spent $60 million more for 2025. You need to get busy bringing in top talent and spend more. Maybe even deliver as many playoff appearances over the next 5 years as they have had the last 5 instead of that same number of last place finishes. Maybe then teams like the Padres wouldn’t be crushing your team in percentage of capacity attendance figures. I hated going to games last season and seeing 3-4-5k empty seats every game. Get your act in gear!
In the 63 years since I attended my first MLB game in 3rd grade, I never thought I would be saying act more like the Padres, but here we are with Henry going cheap and the Padres spending on payroll near the top of the heap.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I knew this would happen, I just thought the Cubs would pay just a slight bit more. Win-win deal, made too much sense
roob
Great deal for Cubs to unload such a bloated contract for an average player. They only had to pay it down a little. The Cubs have to be dancing now.
Psychguy
He’s an overpaid complementary piece at this point in his career. He is still milking his 2019 performance. Maybe that’s what Yanks need, but what an overpay.
17dizzy
I’d love to see Paul Goldschmidt at first for the Yankees!!! He’s still a defensive whiz.
Goldy’s defense will improve everyone of the Yankees infielders fielding percentages and team’s runs saved!!!
He going to hit 20-30 homers.
Currently …. For the Yankees needs … Goldschmidt isn’t just the b st fit, he’s the cheapest route to take on continued one year contracts of $15 million or less.
13Morgs13
Phillies are clearly winning the hot stove…
mlbnyyfan
About time!!!!
NYCityRiddler
Bottom line. Theeeeeeeee Yankees Win!! Ahahahahaha!
Unclemike1526
Glad you think so. So do the Cubs.
NYCityRiddler
When it comes to Hoyer & Ricketts, one is a full the other a clown. I’ll let you figure out which one is which. Ahahahaha!
rondon
I’ll bet they can both spell “full” fool.
NYCityRiddler
Your banned to the Enchanted Kingdom, klown. Starting now! Ahahahaha!
kevin_finnerty
cringe
wmurphy24
(Thumbs down)
VonPurpleHayes
It’s a bit of a reset year for the Phils who are hitting that final tax limit. Middleton expressed a desire to go over that limit for the right player, but I think all the right players are gone. They have some money coming off the books in 26, but this was always going to be a ho-hum offseason for them. Luckily, they have a pretty competitive roster as it is.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Except the outfield.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s the biggest weak spot for sure.
Pete'sView
Except third base (Bohm).
CarverAndrews
The lack of real interest from the Phils on Bellinger kinda’ confirms that $$ are pressing for them. I didn’t expect any action at the top of the market this off-season but thought that a short term deal that would improve the team might occur.
Bellinger would have been an improvement – not a huge one but the defense and flexibility were a fit and even last year’s hitting is better than the Phils have right now. He would have given them some impact without clogging the payroll or taking a long term spot as they try to figure out Crawford and Rincones later in the year. So call me mildly disappointed.
VonPurpleHayes
Yup. This offseason has been disappointing. I expect fringe improvements at best.
JackStrawb
Well, yeah, but if you wait until the right players are gone, then it’s too easy to say ‘there wasn’t a good fit for us out there.’
Baseballisthebest
Phillies still have several moves to make including trading Bohm and adding an OF. They do have to cut some salary on order to add some players so I would be surprised to see Castellanos moved too.
I think Dombrowski is waiting to see how things settle out until after the new year then he will get busy.
VonPurpleHayes
They aren’t necessarily trying to trade Bohm. Their high-asking price tells me they’re more likely keeping him. Ranger and Casty may be moved. We’ll see.
Baseballisthebest
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Castellanos moved too.
CarverAndrews
I think that Ranger is more of a trade deadline move, and that talks this winter are geared towards preliminary talke with suitors towards that end. Castellanos is far more likely as a next winter move; he isn’t what they want but if they pay the price to unload him it just adds another OF that they need to bring in at an increased cost. Bohm I agree – if someone meets a worthwhile price then sure but otherwise he stays here.
Pads Fans
Von, do you think keeping Bohm is the best move. He is a slightly above average hitter who is near the bottom on defense at 3B which all ads up to a 1.4 WAR average the last 3 seasons. 2024 was encouraging at 3.0 WAR, but his peripherals don’t point to any great change in 2024. They point to it being more about a little better luck than any changes in approach or improvements in skills.
VonPurpleHayes
Yes. I think keeping Bohm is the best move. He’s cheap and has 2 years of control and really there’s no out there better except Bregman who will cost a ton. Bohm is the best option. But if Bohm gets you a quality OFer then I’d make a trade even though you’d have to downgrade at 3rd.
Blue Baron
best: That’s what Von just said. Casty is Castellanos.
Baseballisthebest
My 2nd post was correcting my first. Autocorrect turned wouldn’t into would on the 1st one.
Blue Baron
Von: What happened to the Phillies fan who promised us that they would sign Soto?
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t know, but it wasn’t me. I had Soto as a Met all the way.
Blue Baron
Von: I know it wasn’t you. I just can’t remember the guy’s handle.
VonPurpleHayes
Haha. Yeah. Some folks are crazy. Phils never even called Soto’s people. There was never a chance.
cwsOverhaul
No worries. Luis Robert is ready to head over when DD is ready.
CarverAndrews
Bring the asking price down to something that reflects the injury history and you have a deal.
cwsOverhaul
Sure. Crawford, Cabrera and Chace.
CarverAndrews
Any Phils fan knows that Crawford would have to be a part of the return for Roberts, with the art form being the rest of the deal. Two of those three should be enough and substitute more of a lottery pick otherwise. Last year I would not have blinked but the more that I see the growth in Crawford the less interest that I have in Luis. Phils still make that deal probably but with the Robert injury history it could really come back to bite the Phils.
Devlsh
You call that lowering the price?
You might get Johan Rojas in place of Crawford, but there’s no way the Phils deal off that much for a questionable Robert. I doubt that they’d deal Crawford straight up for Robert.
cwsOverhaul
Rojas wouldn’t land anyone of note. Crawford is the only headliner that would interest their full tear down/rebuild. Like Carver said, the secondary pieces is more of the debate. It’s probably project arms, not a high end fleece job. The last guy is a longer shot.
JackStrawb
Crawford’s a 20 yo CFer who excelled in AA. That’s not someone you give up for Robert Jr., who has had only one impressive season during the last three years plus the historical fluke of a .394 BABIP in 2021.
With five starting position players 32 and over the Phillies aren’t in a position where they ought to be shaving pennies and dealing away legitimate young prospects.
JackStrawb
@Devlsh I’d be reluctant to make that straight up deal with Robert booked for 3/55m. (Though the effective team opt-outs for 2026 and 2027 have real value. Call it $5m, making Robert more a 3/50m player.)
Between Rojas and Crawford the Phillies probably have one competent MLB CFer, and might have two, at least while the lesser player of the two is still young enough to give the Phillies two CFers, one in a corner, for a couple of seasons and ease the transition away from the elderly, expensive team they’ll be running out there in 2025.
It’s one thing to go all in for a given season, it’s another entirely to shoot yourself in the foot for the uncertain upgrade that is Luis Robert Jr. who also happens to be getting paid FA money for 2025-2027—while increasing the chances you’ll crash and burn once you can no longer keep pace using the free agent treadmill.
Heels On The Field
Rojas cannot hit. Rojas has never hit at any level in the minors.
Rojas cannot hit.
RicoD
Heels, that’s simply not true. He’s had good seasons in the minors (.277 ba and mid 750ish ops) as well as an over 300 partial first season in the bigs. He has plenty of growth needed but he’s young, fast, and fantastic in the field.
CarverAndrews
I basically agree with you Jackstraw – it is not a price that I would pay, but it is probably what it would take and the Phils might take the risk. Phils need, in my mind, to see if their top prospects are going to be major contributors and help to alleviate the roster $$ as they move forward. Miller, Crawford, Painter and eventually Tait could make a big difference to them keeping a competitive window open indefinitely, and filtering in a few more success stories from the rest of the prospect ranks could be huge..
murphy8
What’s the return
batteryoutlet
cubs got alec bohm
GoogleMe
There was $52.5 million left on Bellinger’s contract over the next 2 years, so there is your return. It was a good move for the Cubs.
SoCalBrave
Small return… some might say Poteet
rudymay45
Poteet is a potential stud. Better to give up Beeter (two-pitch starter) or Chase Hampton. Cubbies will probably want more than Warren now that they’ve had to kick in some cash. I still think Santander would have been a better use of the money even with his mediocre defense.
jawinks
Cubs fan here. Poteet is not good
Pads Fans
Poteet is 30 years old and has 80 IP in the majors. He is not a potential stud. He is a potential non-tender at the end of the season.
Tigers3232
@rudy How is Poteet a potential stud? What has he done that is in any way indicative of such a claim??
WadeBoggsWildRide
Decent ERA last two years. If you squint really hard he would be a starter on a bad team. Probably an Ace on the White Sox.
rudymay45
Yeah – on second thought, “stud” may have been a bit much, LOL. Based on some very solid spot starting this season, let’s say “reliable 5th starter” instead.
GhostofRandySavage
Ooh yeah
Jean-Claude
GhostofRandySavage Randy Poffo grew up in my neighborhood.
PutPeteinthehall
Downers Grove……
Old York
Yankees get Bellinger and the Cubs get a personal family suit at Yankee Stadium.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Old
The one they refused to give to Soto?? haha.
Cash-Man-NY
Read the fine print
****use of Yankee stadium luxury suite by cubs personal shall be at the discretion of Brian Cashman . The cubs will receive a 3% discount on the standard usage fee as well as agreeing to trade Tucker to the Yankees at the trade deadline.
Private valet parking additional
rmullig2
More like 20 seats in the last row of the upper deck.
Theodore
Yes Yankees get Belli and two idiots in Toronto are still sitting on their asses doing nothing .
How is every team in the league can make trades like the one Yankees made today but Atkins and Shapiro can not even complete one deal like this . We’re the Yankees are getting an above average player for damn nothing . How do these Guys still have a job.
luclusciano
The Gimenez move was pretty solid
twozero6ix
Yankees making moves just for the sake of making moves
Ronk325
Bellinger is capable of playing LF or 1B, two positions the Yankees need to fill. Plus he’s a lefty who profiles well at Yankee Stadium
rct
@Ronk: the article update says he’ll be playing CF.
Ronk325
I guess that will depend on how well Dominguez adjusts to LF. If there’s not notable improvement he’ll probably stick in CF and Bellinger will play LF
Drasco0366
Always smart to have your worst fielder in center…
rct
Bear in mind that it is Bob Nightingale reporting on the CF thing so maybe take it with a grain of salt.
Unclemike1526
Dras- Where you been? Making toys at the North Pole? LOL
theonlydynasty
Getting Judge out of CF is just as important. He can play it just fine, but the wear and tear is too much
Drasco0366
I would tell you but the first two rules are that I’m not supposed to talk about it.
Bizzle
Eh Judge is a pretty terrible CF. CF comes with a WAR bonus. The fact the he has negative WAR out there means he’s really bad, probably the worst regular CF in the game right now.
Pete'sView
rct — Not after the Yankees see Bellinger playing center. He’s a corner or 1b now. Nothing wrong with that in Yankee Stadium.
Unclemike1526
Dras- LOL. Fight Club? Looks like Hoyer fixed his bad contract from last year. I’ll wait to see what he does with the money before I get over excited.
Gasu1
CF has a WAR bonus, but it shows up as a bonus to Offensive WAR, not defensive WAR. He surely did not have a negative offensive WAR! And BTW, 0 defensive WAR means you are average at your position; unlike offensive WAR, where 0 means you are replacement level. So a negative defensive WAR just means below average at that position.
Lanidrac
You are correct about 0 WAR being average defense, but that’s only before the positional adjustment, which is included in Defensive WAR, not Offensive WAR.
You would actually be a significantly below average CF with 0 Defensive WAR at CF, as the bar for average CF defense per the positional adjustment is quite a bit higher than overall average defense.
Baseballisthebest
0 WAR is replacement level, not average. Replacement level is basically a typical MLB ready prospect in AA or AAA or a FA that is not currently on any MLB roster.
According to B/R, MLB average for players with 550 PA was 2.1 WAR last season.
Theodore
At least the Yankees are doing something the same cannot be said for Atkins and Shapiro in Toronto are doing nothing at all . Like this guy and that guy but the shelves are still empty , including the minor leagues we’re the cupboard is still bare after 8 years in control. Does not matter how much improvement is made of the stadium were the on field player provided are minor leaguer except for Bo and Vlad , who they originally did not draft.
Drasco0366
Toronto Bridesmaids
Unclemike1526
Kind of like the Giants under Farhan. In on everybody, Signed nobody.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
He can play all 3 outfield spots and first base, seems to fit the Yanks roster perfectly
twozero6ix
I see the fit but the Belli experience is too up and down
Lindor's Bodyguard
A 109 OPS+ and solid CF would be valuable to most teams.
HatlessPete
The belli experience also has a known, relatively near term end date. If he has a solid year and opts out that’s win-win. The yanks can go after Kyle tucker hard or plug one of their young guys into the spot if they progress well or both. If belli doesn’t opt out the yanks can deal with the money for one season.
SoCalBrave
I think as a CF Bellinger is a good player, as a 1B or RF he doesn’t provide as much value.
The_M4N
@206 posting comments just for the sake of posting comments.
Ketch
The Cubs got cash?!?!?!??
Rexhudler86
@ketch. Sounds like they took the contract. Cash could be international money.
Rexhudler86
@ketch nevermind it’s going to the yankees
MysteryWhiteBoy13
That’s what I thought, but they updated to say ten Yankees got $5 mill, even though the sentence before is still confusing
Rexhudler86
@mystery. How they had it looked like the cubs got cash.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Ten Yankees got $5M.
That is confusing…..
murphy8
Yeah that’s what I’m saying
That’s gotta be wrong right?!?!!
This one belongs to the Reds
I hear it’s just as good as money.
TennMan
Based on the tweet, Yankees are getting Bellinger and cash for Poteet. No mention of cash going to the Cubs
Rexhudler86
@tennman it was changed. That’s why 6 people were saying that.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Does this say that the Yankees are adding Cash?
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Of course they changed it right after I posted
Dorn’s Contract
they traded Cashman to the Cubs. Getting ahead of everything after all these moves blow up in the Yankees face. Hal is re-creating the 80’s Yankees staring Aaron Judge as Donnie baseball.. Bellinger is Dave Winfield.
Armaments216
Yankees got Bellinger and his cache.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Tango and Cash
HalosHeavenJJ
If Poteet is the talent return I’m really interested in the cash.
HalosHeavenJJ
Figured it would be low. It was.
Ragnarok
This was going to be a salary dump. 1 year of Bellinger at $27.5MM with another $20MM of risk if he sucks is substantial. No surplus value on that.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Great fit assuming Bellinger hits well
Offensively he replaces the left handed bat that Soto had
and defensively he can either stay in center (or left with Dominguez in center) or he can play first base, he fills 2 holes defensively
HalosHeavenJJ
I like guys who can move around. Allows for rest days when everybody is healthy and gives an MLB caliber backup when there’s an injury.
goob
@sad
Like everyone else, he can only fill one of them at a time.
JRamHOF
Speak for yourself
goob
x sundry implements
revolver
He fits better on the Yankees than the cubs ,not to mention he’ll be playing 81 games at yankee stadium. He should easily put up good enough numbers to opt out ( assuming health). Good pickup for the Yanks.
ArianaGrandSlam
That’s more like it!!
jonesy
Yanks must be taking on a bunch. Bellinger should hit well in NY.
Clofreesz
This clears up space on the Cubs. I don’t want to jump to conclusions yet, but this is a bargain for the Yankees.
LordD99
Poteet is a solid pitcher.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I wonder if there’s a dispensary across the street from Yankee Stadium so he can have a pregame warm up and a post game cool down session. There’s one right across the street from Wrigley Field
Devlsh
Oh please….he’s a 30 year old pitcher who’s managed to appear in 24 games at the major league level. He’s a nobody.
JackStrawb
A bit harsh, but, yeah.
RussianFemboy
@Dev
Oh the irony, you calling someone a nobody?
Low IQ Angels Management
He’ll be on the injured list for 120 of the 162 games. Yankees got hosed.
Acoss1331
Honestly, Cody always seemed to want to go to the Yankees, so I have a feeling he’s going to have a year similar to the 2023 season if not better with that right field short porch. I wish him the best, he’s a pretty chill dude!
YankeesBleacherCreature
I’m not sure what happened to him last year. He shortened his swing with two strikes in ’23 and got good results.
Acoss1331
For 2023, Cody changed his approach and his hard-hit rate dropped but his average went up and he squared up more on the ball. I think he’ll probably make adjustment again now that he gets to play with the short porch.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Wow. We actually pulled it off and didn’t give up too much in terms of talent or cash.
Congrats, Yankees. You got what you wanted. Now hope he’s rediscovers his MVP level play with the line up protection, etc.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Win-win for both teams
JackStrawb
$27.5m in 2025 with the downside of the player option, for a 2.2 bWAR guy in 2024 with declining (though still average defense, acc to statcast) isn’t ‘giving up too much’ cash?
Tigers3232
He switched mid-season between 2 drastically different defensive positions. Doing so on the fly was by no means a benefit to Bellinger.
All players eventually slow a bit and it affects CF more than most if not all positions. Switching during the season also had an impact, to what extent is unknown.
WadeBoggsWildRide
Pretty sure he jacked up his ribs too. As a Dodger he would take rest days at 1B
mro940
Belli hasn’t been the same since Fiers narced. Sigh.
Poolhalljunkies
So….thats a no on goldy then?
LordD99
It says Bellinger was told he will be playing CF.
Lindor's Bodyguard
Probably increased the chance of signing Goldy now that the Yankees are on the hook for most of Bellinger’s contract.
Dorothy_Mantooth
While I realize Bellinger’s contract in underwater, the fact that the Cubs are including $5M in the deal would lead to be believe they’d be able to get more of a return than just Poteet. Even if it was a young lottery pick.
If there is no one else coming back to the Cubs, it’s really telling as to what the Cubs thought of Bellinger. They must feel like he’s washed up already at age 29.
cwsOverhaul
Clearing 27.5mil out of 32.5 is nice to at least partially reallocate if they choose to pursue a starter.
adkuchan
I don’t think anyone thinks he is washed up. He’s just not what he was. He revamped his swing because he nearly swung and missed his way out of the majors. He doesn’t strike out near as much, but he doesn’t hit many HRs either. He’s a slightly above average everyday player. The Cubs didn’t want to pay him 27 million to be slightly above average. The Yankees don’t mind. He’s a much better fit in NY. The Cubs picked up Tucker and their best prospects are also OFs.
Tigers3232
@Dorothy They just acquired Tucker, Bellinger became a luxury they could not afford if they want to finish filling their needs while getting under the luxury tax threshold.
jasonr
Absolute heist
Chicken In Philly?
Yankees were fleeced. Gave up a solid pitcher to take on the massive contract of a two WAR player.
YourDreamGM
I think they can afford better pitchers.
YankeesAreDodgersEast
A 2 win player is a good player. Better than what they had replacing Bellinger.
Also the Yanks don’t need the SP they sent nor do they need 5 mil.
They got what they needed.
Gasu1
AAAA pitcher. Not useless, but would not be on the 26 man roster most of the time.
Outfieldflyrule??
If it’s only $5m going to the Yankees the Yanks blinked.
Mynameisnoname
Santander has added the Yankees on IG this afternoon if you’re into that sort of thing.
Both holes could be plugged by days end.
goob
That’s one way to put it, I guess.
robert-5
That’s what she said…
Rick Face
Santander still out there.
Lindor's Bodyguard
“Get yer One Tool Low OBP guys with QO penalties right here!”
Rick Face
Someone will overpay for him.
rocky7
Santander has always played the Yankees very tough and he’s a seasoned AL East competitor….plus he’s a switch hitter and can MASH with the bat…the only downside is his defense…..
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Sounds like his defence is right in line with the Yankees’ standards.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So, if the Yankees view him as an OF player, what’s the plan for 1B? Still might go out and sign Santana or Goldschmidt, etc?
Yankee Clipper
I’m guessing Nate Lowe or Walker… but they may just commit to Ben Rice
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I have a feeling it’ll be Walker if it isn’t a purely platoon situation of Rice, DJLM and Bellinger.
DR2020
maybe we will get lucky clipper and Bellinger will have a resurgence in the Bronx. Otherwise, we are still getting a player that’s much better than what we had before.
YourDreamGM
Anything is the plan. Plenty of free agents. Plenty of trades. I’d bid up the other teams on Alonso and Walker and grab Goldschmidt because he has more upside and bigger name than Santana. But Santana would be fine if you want to save a few bucks.
I feel bad for Alonso and even Burnes. Both NY teams are much smarter. Dodgers been so. They will need to rely on next tier of bidders which isn’t close to ny la level.
Big whiffa
Why do Yankee fans never mention Alonzo ? He seems like the best fit to me by far ! Him and Belli is an upgrade over Soto/rizzo imo
Gasu1
Too expensive, and poor defensively.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
He’s too expensive and one dimensional. He’s kind of an Adam Dunn type and likely past his prime and the Yankees are trying to avoid those.
BlueSkies_LA
Cody for Cody, the greatest trade of the offseason so far.
Cambo
Dave Dombrowski want 2.6 M from Cubs per year and wouldn’t budge.
davemlaw
What do the Cubs do next, that’s the big question?
They just cleared a massive amount of payroll.
cwsOverhaul
Sounds like a SP.
kroeg49
Didn’t Tucker come to the cubs with a 20+ million dollar contract?
Unclemike1526
His arb number is close to 17 million.
Unclemike1526
But it was already figured into the Cubs Tax number. Now they have about 60 million left to spend. Tucker 17 million – Parades 7 million and Wesneski 1 million. So Tucker cost 9 million.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
For Jed, this was better on Belli than expected.
Time to get a reliever, Tanner Scott, Andrew Kittridge, AJ Minter, let’s chat!
Big whiffa
Castillo, but I don’t think they have any more position players to trade
Unclemike1526
Cubs don’t want Castillo. Why would they want Castillo when they can just throw less money at Buehler? Jed loves injured P’s hence his stalking of Luzardo which I doubt is true also.
Big whiffa
Because he’s better and safer and easier to acquire than buehler. And who said he’s cheaper lol
They have nothing left to trade thou. So I think u are right. Luzardo and gonna cost prospects
Unclemike1526
He’s not better and he’s not safer to acquire. He already comes with a high price tag and a loss of capital to acquire him. Buehler just costs money. So you’re wrong.
Big whiffa
Castillos contract is at plus value and he is more durable. He also is coming off a much better season. Buehler will get paid the same amount this coming season as Castillo already makes bc everyone is in on him. Well, almost everyone as he hasn’t been linked to the cubs lol
CarolinaCubsandKush
Jed did what he (or Ricketts) wanted him to do. Now let’s see how much of that money goes to pitching.
DCDude2007
Cody Bellinger to the Yankees is what I figured would come. This means Judge can move to corner outfield?
wvredsfan
Yes, Judge is moving back to right field
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I hope this gets some other Trades and Free agents moving
Regarding the Cash – Until they update it it is worded oddly.
You would think NYY is the team receiving cash
I am a NYM fan but I believe this is a good idea for NYY.
There are no guarantees with any trade
Interesting to see IF NYY still pursues one of the 1B FA or trade targets
just_thinkin
Over
Rated
Clap
Clap
Clap clap clap
This one belongs to the Reds
Seems odd all that negotiating ended in this.
Led Hoyer
Haha. I agree. Just throw him on waivers and let the Yankees grab him. A lot daily drama for 5 million dollars and a throw in reliever.
Yankee Clipper
Hell yeah, Cashman! Where have you been stashed for the past ten years?!
Acoss1331
He’s gonna be great for you guys, solves a lot of problems. Lefty bat, good defense, can play all three outfield spots and play 1B. Congrats!
YankeesBleacherCreature
You called it meeting halfway, Clip! I’m fine with Poteet in exchange.
robert-5
Looks like Cubs dug in on the $ and took a lesser player back in return. Doubt Poteet plays much of a role on this Cubs team. Probably will be flipped or cut loose in ST.
Yankee Clipper
Robert, I was actually pleased with what Poteet did. Whether the Cubs can get that back out of him is yet to be seen, but he could be decent for them.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Absoluetly a win-win deal. Belli meets a real need for Yankees. Cubs free up payroll to create a better bullpen.
TradeAcuna
As the Braves sit with their slightly average team. Guess I will not buy MLB.TV for the upcoming season. Bad team.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
You guys have a very solid 1B in Olson, who is on a reasonable contract and will likely hold up longer and better than Bellinger- so why the sour grapes?
I always think of the Braves as operating in their own weird little bubble- almost like they’re independent but caucus with MLB lol.
CarolinaCubsandKush
It is weird to see the Braves go year in and year out without really addressing the needs in their outfield.
Tigers3232
If Acuna and Harris are healthy, their needs in OF are rather insignificant.
lejamesbron
Ya Belli is loving that he will be hitting with the short porch for 82 games. Great for Yankees and great for bellinger going into what could and likely will be a walk year with his opt out.
Low IQ Angels Management
He’ll play 82 games in 5 years there maybe. Dude is made of glass.
adkuchan
Bellinger? He’s played at least 130 games the last 3 years. He’s not exactly an iron man, but he’s usually available.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
On that basis he is available for 80% of the time.
ThonolansGhost
A question: which team is sending money over? The article isn’t very clear.
Begamin
its pretty clear?
ThonolansGhost
Originally, it said that the Cubs were getting the pitcher and some cash. And it said that the Cubs were giving the Yankees 5M. But yeah, they fixed it.
Moneyballer
Cubs are paying a portion of Bellinger’s contract. They wanted him out pretty badly!
robert-5
I disagree w that characterization. Cubs wanted a true star and they found one that happens to play RF.
Cody is an above-average player w a solid LH bat, good baserunning, and defensive versatility.
The Cubs wanted to use his $ elsewhere- likely the pitching staff, maybe even 3B.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Money
They wanted Tucker over Belli, no shame to Belli in that.
adkuchan
In addition to the Cubs (like everyone else) preferring Tucker in Right, the Cubs also have several high quality OF prospects. Paying Bellinger was just a poor allocation of their resources.
Lloyd Emerson
The Cubs are sending 5 million to the yankees, 2.5 million each year for the next two seasons. Mlbtr had it wrong at first. They corrected it. But they didn’t bother to mention their correction. So now a bunch of people are arguing because they think other people can’t read.
Begamin
I read his comment like seconds after he posted his so lol
Begamin
tho i guess its possible he didnt refresh his page for a few minutes then commented
ThonolansGhost
Absolutely.
Unclemike1526
Well the way I put it sums it up best. The Cubs are saving 25 million this year. 27.5 -2.5 =25. Then next year it COSTS 2.5. So there’s that.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
This was absolutely the best deal Cubs would get. Either they keep Belli or they trade to Yankees. Win-win deal.
derail76
Pretty cool for Belli. His Dad played for the Yankees, so I’m sure it’s special for his family. Still miss him in Dodgers Blue, but I hope Bopper does well in NY.
johncal25
His wife’s ex boyfriend (Stanton) also plays for the Yankees…..awkward.
YourDreamGM
Employed. Plays occasionally.
Low IQ Angels Management
Now they have two employed overpaid outfieldsers who play occasionally. A platoon even!
derail76
Ha! Had no idea. So awkward.
Cubby 2025
He will wear his dad’s #35!
vatp46a
It took all this time and reportedly stalled negotiations to end up with Poteet and $ for Bellinger? I have to wonder what type of talent Cashman was offering if he sweetened the pot by offering Poteet as the sole player headed to Chicago.
I think Bellinger will be OK playing in NY, as he has been in big media market cities his whole career. I wonder if he ever visited the clubhouse when his father played for the Yankees.
Moneyballer
Other way. Cubs kicked in money! They couldn’t even get the yanks to take on the whole contract! Major fail for chicago!
Ragnarok
The Cubs basically covered the buyout next year while eliminating this years salary.
Big W.
YourDreamGM
Cubs probably considered buying a prospect but they couldn’t work things out so just did pure salary dump.
kroeg49
His father more than likely played in the old Yankee Stadium.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Vat
More likely Yankees wanted $10 million in cash and Cubs wanted no cash. Meet in the middle $5 million in cash and have a Poteet.
Ragnarok
What they did here was successfully dump a guy who didn’t fit. They were responsible for the buyout next year if he was on the club. They have a CF & now they have $27.5MM freed up.
The mistake was signing Belli to the contract in the first place. Not dumping it off now.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Since they were able to move Belli, I might even argue that there was no mistake at all. Cubs hoped that Belli could replicate 2023, he fell short, but still ws slightly above average. That along with his defensive versatility, made it possible to move Belli anyway. But he was worth having in 2023, it gave them a backup had Busch or PCA faltered.
Ragnarok
Fair point. Bellinger’s offensive stats were just so clearly going to regress in 2024 that I thought it was a clear overpay in dollars but considering the outcome and the holes they had last year—I’ll buy what you’re selling.
Baseballnut 2
Why would the cubs add Tucker and then trade Bellinger. You got better, than got worse. Doesn’t make sense to me.
BITA
Tucker is far better than Bellinger. The Cubs got better overall.
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BITA
On this post, we can completely agree.
Tucker was a massive upgrade, a top 25 player in all of baseball.
Cubs only had to chip in $5 million, especially for the Cubs,
Win-win deal.
Ragnarok
The cubs are better today than they were befor e the offseason started. Hoyer is probably running out of time if this season doesn’t go well though.
That’s why I think it was easy to part with Cam Smith for the upgraded rental today. That division is right there for the taking. If he can redirect Bellinger funds into shaping up the bullpen you’ll have a team. We’ll see how it goes.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
They had buyers remorse based on his variable results and the money they gave him. Last year with the Boras Four dynamic they signed Cody to kind of a hasty convoluted contact
The CUBs also gain an opportunity to sign or trade for some players BEFORE another team does. Time could be of the essence.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
YaGotta
Convoluted maybe, but hasty no. Cubs waited until Belli’s contract length request shorted. They refused to offer up a 4-5 year deal, which was clearly the right call.
HatlessPete
Solves a roster jam, frees up cf and 1b for pca and Busch, lets them keep Suzuki at dh, frees up money to reallocate to other needs and tucker is significantly better than belli. This makes them better on its own and depending what they use the belli money for it could end up looking like a key piece of a series of roster moves for the cubs this offseason.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
With the Tucker trade, they ended up with too many outfielders. Bellinger was the one that they wanted to let go out of the group. the money they save can be used on players for other positions.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Salary
Dumb
Goose
Its a good deal for the Yankees. Have to wonder why the Cubs did it unless they are going to use the cash elsewhere.
Bellinger is now the best CF on the roster and should be a lock for 30 HRs in Yankee stadium.
BITA
It’s a lot of money for the Yankees. It’s not a long term commitment but Bellinger isn’t cheap.
rocky7
Bellinger is going to play LF…..The Martian is playing CF for right now unless Spring Training dictates otherwise…..
BITA
The Yankees have a ton of versatility with their roster so if someone gets hurt they should be able to move some pieces around and keep going. The Dodgers have this too.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Pay attention. The Yankees have already said Bellinger will play CF.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Good luck with that.
full count
Once again Cashman proves he’s worth every dollar he’s paid. With his moves this year, the Yanks are actually better than last year and that’s with losing Soto. Ross Atkins and the Blue Jays have done nothing. Maybe they’re waiting for Soto to call. They haven’t heard. Atkins should be fired!
Brian Ziebart
Hoyer should be fired before Atkins
alwaysgo4two
Which version are the Yankees getting offensively? The good, the bad, or the MVP?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I think it’ll be the good and very close to the MVP version but still less than that level.
Basically the consistent version we’ve never really seen haha.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The middle, not a stud and not a dud. He was 2.2 WAR last year but add a few extra homers with the home stadium.
Moneyballer
Cody Peteet for Cody Bellinger AND cash?! Are you kidding me cubs?! You gave him away.
mike127
More like Cody Peteet AND ALMOST $50M for Cody Bellinger.
Yes, they gave him away, but gained all that money back.
It will be Bellinger for Peteet and whomever they can acquire with that money over the next two years.
Moneyballer
They will try to extend Tucker, fail, and just pocket the money. Watch.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Money
My prediction:
They will spend the slaary savings on pitching… and then fail to extend Tucker.
And that’s ok. Not optimal, but ok.
Low IQ Angels Management
Lmao, gave him away? He’s an oft injured 2 war outfielder getting paid 25 million. The Cubs fleeced the Yankees here.
BurnerK
Better than Verdugo.
johncoltrane
Cubs traded an MVP
AND sent yanks $$$
And what did they get?? Cody poteet? Who?
johncoltrane
Yanks got jazz for nothing
Now belly
mike127
They got almost $50M back. That’s what they got.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cubs acquired Tucker, a top 25 player in all of baseball. They traded Belli, a solid and above avergae player with defensive versatility, but not at Tucker’s level. A-ok
bronyaur
Hello is a 2 WAR player, worth in this mkt about $20 mill/yr, not $30. Cubs can get a 3+ WAR player with the money they have saved, and they didn’t need Belli on their roster.
bronyaur
Hello=Belli.
Low IQ Angels Management
MVP? Rofl. 2019 was along time ago pal. Check his actual stats the last couple years. He’s a 2 war player.
Citizen1
Belinger wasn’t going to win mvp with Soto and ohtani in the league
HopefulTwinsFan
A Cody for a Cody. Fair trade.
RickEO
Hes mid at best
Wrian Washman
Probably not much better you can do at LF it’s easier to find a 1B if you slot him in left than the other way around. Now let’s go overpay for the cheater at 3B.
SupremeZeus
Cubs reallocating resources. Yankees backfilling after their titanic whiff on Soto. Reasonable for both parties. However, Bellinger’s statcast batting page is a blue as the Mariana Trench. Worriesome.
mlbnyyfan
This trade took this long to complete crazy. I guess the Cubs couldn’t get anyone else to take on Bellinger contract
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Lmao to all the cubs fans who were dreaming of top prospects for Cody Bellinger cause he was one of their best players supposedly
mike127
$50M can get you a lot more than top prospects.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
Is the 5 mill split between 2025 and 2026 or just 2025
Cause the cubs didnt get 50 mill
They got either 22.5 mill in 2025 or 25 mill
And 25 mill in 2026 or 22.5
Depending how the 5 mill is broken down.
And 25 mill a year doesnt buy you as much as you think it will in todays market with players contracts.
Plus the savings only last 2 years. Cubs sign anyone long term theyd only get relief for the first two years of any long term contract, but MLB teams tend to back load contracts instead of front load.
Brian Ziebart
I think that Cubs fans were hoping for something in the trade. Not Little Bo Peep or whatever this guy’s name is.
Big whiffa
Or anything but a relief pitcher
Still a good move for Chicago. They’ll most likely use the freed up cash wisely
bronyaur
@Butker. Who thought the Cubs were going to get big time prospects? They weren’t looking for that. This was a salary dump for a very mediocre player, and they gain $50 in flexibility to sign a serious free agent or two.
BronxBombers23
I’m disappointed that they didn’t get Hoerner. Perfect player for the Yankees. They still need a 3B/2B and 1B. Nate Lowe is a very interesting player, I would like that move.
Unclemike1526
You already got Bellinger for a guy named Poteet. And you want more? When Santa came to your house did you fire off a nasty letter complaining? Yankee fans!
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
How you liking the return for Bellinger UncleMike?
Unclemike1526
The return is 50 million dollars. 25 saved the next 2 years. And some dude named Poteet. It all depends on how Jed spends it of course. Too early to tell to be honest.
mike127
I’m with you Uncle. At 3:00 this afternoon most people here thought the contract was “under water”, bad for the Cubs.
A team willingly handed almost $50 back into the arsenal and people think they got nothing.
All along they have said that they wanted to move Bellinger (or Seiya) to reallocate the budget to other areas.
Roster Resources now has them at $191M (all in–insurance, benefits, minor league salaries on the 40 man) so there is a good $50 M to “allocate” and bolster the rotation, the pen, the bench whatever.
And you are correct by about eight or nine months, at least. It is too early to tell.
Fred K. Burke
How about a solid, proven late inning reliever? Maybe another starter? I can see another trade coming. But I agree with you Uncle. With Jed behind the wheel who knows?
Personally, I glad this saga with Belli is over.
Unclemike1526
mike127- Yeah I’m glad it got done. The catching is as fixed as it’s going to get this year anyway. The OF is pretty well set. The rotation is already solid. At least Hoyer fixed the horrible mistake he made last Feb. They still need a Closer for sure and if they can trade or sign one more starter without trading another top prospect let’ get ready for Japan. Suzuki is 4th OF -DH. Maybe some cover for Shaw-Triantos at 3B. Still plenty of time for Jed to make me crazy.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Uncle
That is the exactly correct response. The deal is as good as Jed spends the salary savings. Call Tanner Scott, Andrew Kittridge and AJ Minter.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mike
Agree. They kept Suzki and Hoerner, no more subtractions needed. Just get a couple really good back end relievers and they are ready to be a division winner without having overly gutted their farm.
BronxBombers23
Yes I’m happy that they got Bellinger, but I’m still disappointed that they didn’t get Hoerner. He’s a perfect fit for the Yankees and I’m sure they would trade him. Depends on the offer.
cubsmatt
Don’t worry about it, once the Cubs traded away Paredes that ended any chance of them trading away Hoerner.
rocky7
Hoerner would have been nice, but he’s currently hurt and/or rehabbing…we don’t need more players coming back from injuries……
Tebor
Another Darvish move. Ricketts pocketing all that revenue. Guess I’m boycotting Cubs games again this year.
Unclemike1526
Tebor- I’m sure you won’t be missed.
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Tebor
I expect them to spend the salary savings on pitching. I would get a couple of good relievers.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
So the Cubs bought Poteet for $5M. That’s the difference between Bellinger’s contract as it was structured and if it had been structured as a mutual option – which the Cubs would have declined since both Busch and PCA turned out to have acceptable rookie seasons warranting staying starters.
mlbnyyfan
IMO I Was hoping for Nico in the deal also for 2B. Yankees still need a 2B or 3B.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
I think Jake Cronenworth would look good in NY.
2B lefty with that short porch, They’d be buying low on him and think he’d provide good value esp playing 81 games at home in Yankee Stadium
Sorinotsori
No brainer for the Yanks. The small sample I saw of Dominguez last year scared me on his defense so I love the true centerfielder
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah I am beginning to worry “The Martian” is yet another overhyped Yankees prospect that has too many holes in his game and is too injury prone to be a solution of any kind- short or long term- in the majors.
Salzilla
I like it. More later, gotta teach!
Salzilla
*I’ll just chime in here instead of heading down to the very bottom, and some folks wonder why so many NYY posts, this is why. $$$
Anyhoo, as I stated above, I like this, I like it a lot. Bellinger fits the Yankees a whole bunch. He’s better than Rizzo and Verdugo combined so already it makes us better, and as I said in the 1st Basemen thread mere minutes before this news broke, Bellinger keeps all options open despite this unofficial news of using him in center.
I don’t think they’d officially say that yet because it helps with negotiations if agents aren’t privy to their exact plans. If an agent knows we definitely need a 1b, they have more leverage, if it’s more murky, the Yankees do.
Either way it’s awesome. The money doesn’t mean much to me as they were going to get someone (multiple) expensive pieces after going to the WS. This is the Yankees MO. Get close? Go all out. And with taking on most of the cash, we only had to give away a depth pitcher who will only be that on the Cubs as well.
Fellow fans, high fives!
Sorinotsori
Yup it’s great to see Cashman making the slam dunk moves that make perfect sense and not making any kind of panic splash moves. Every move has been solid as hell so far. I’m excited to see what’s next
KnicksFanCavsFan
Excellent job Cashman. Funny how that decision came quickly after a rumor they were considering Goldschmidt. Don’t know if there’s an avian correlation but it sounds nice.
rocky7
Called Negotiating…….and applying a little leverage…..
Quinnap89
He’s no 2018/19 Cody but he’s an upgrade for them for a few reasons. They can now keep Judge and Dominguez (or an FA) in the corners of the OF. And they can go out and get a real 1B in Walker. To everyone’s point his swing is good for Yankee stadium, come on that’s said about every left handed bat that comes to NY and what happens? All of there averages drop because they all try to hit it 450 over a 314 wall. Sure he may hit 30 homers but he will also deliver you a .220 BA.
rocky7
And .220 is 20 points under league average and in the greater perspective, we honor .240 hitters as All Stars so hitting .220 would suffice if he has a better than league average glove…in left by the way not center, as The Martian is the CFer, and he hits 30 HR’s….we’ll take that every day of the week……
slider32
Yanks are slowly adding some talent from the farm, Wells, Volpe, and now the Martian and maybe Peraza. Let’s give them 500 at bats before judging.. Baseball is a humbling game!
Low IQ Angels Management
And they’d be right.
BITA
I like the deal from a value perspective for the Cubs. But the Cubs keep getting these meh relievers when they need good relievers. Hopefully for fans sake they spend the savings on more pen help.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I think the CUBs will spend most of the saved Bellinger money on a RP and starter. I think they will probably add an inexpensive utility type IF for 3B insurance
Improvement on some young players better offense from Tucker vs Bellinger tradeoff and deeper pitching depth
Sounds like a winning plan to me.
There are still good RPs, SPs and 3Bs out there besides like the 3 most expensive
BITA
I think they need 2 good relievers and a starter. And I still wouldn’t be surprised if they trade Suzuki.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I would prefer Tanner Scott and AJ Minter or Andrew Kittridge and no extra starters.
But if they want to trade Kevin Alcantara for Luzardo I could live with it.
Moneyballer
If the Yankees think Bellinger will help offset the production loss of Juan Soto they will be in for a rude awakening next season. This offense has not improved so far and that’s a fact.
BITA
Well their pitching improved. That’s a fact.
LordD99
No one player will replace Soto. They’re improving through collective parts. More to come.
Moneyballer
Right go get Goldy, everyone’s failed “superstar” will end up in new york!
rocky7
Losing Soto’s bat does still hurt, but there’s lots of time to add offense to this team…..patience…….
Moneyballer
Generational talent, irreplaceable really. Yankees can’t moneyball the loss, but they will try.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Sounds like the Cubs said F it. Spin a wheel the player we land on is who we’ll take.
Is Poteet even close to ML ready?
LordD99
Yes. I’d view him more as the 6th starter, but he can slot into a MLB rotation right now if need be. When the Yankees picked him up a year ago, a few scouts basically said that’s a steal.
Brian Ziebart
The Cubs are still acting like they have no money. This is strictly a giveaway. Does Hoyer keep his job much longer?
Mmm
Where was he going to play?
Moneyballer
For real! Sell incredibly low on bellinger and get nothing in return. Smart moves!
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Cubs get $50M of salary freedom. How they use that determines how effective this trade was.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Brian
Not acting like no money, but like they have a budget and they need to subtract one piece to add other pieces.
Ragnarok
“Gave Bellinger away for nothing”
Is blocking guys or sitting Bellinger on your bench a good use of potentially >$50MM over 2 years? The win is getting rid of someone who doesn’t fit.
Moneyballer
All these people saying how great it is to get 50 million back do realize they wouldn’t have to do this if they hadn’t signed such a god awful contract in the first place. IN NO WAY is this a win for the cubs. It’s front office idiocy at its finest.
Ragnarok
“god awful” contract that they just unloaded. You can’t go back in time. This was a huge win to get rid of it.
Primitive Screwhead
Absent a better place to mention this, but MLBTradeRumors.com used to have rumors about upcoming news, and now appears to mostly be marginally-late confirmed news.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
MLBTR has definitely changed a ton over the years in terms of content and tone from their early years, but I think that’s what happens when you grow as a business and as you become something like the mainstream media.
It’s the fallacy of growth.
I remember when MLBTR was a black screen with white writing and how different the market operated- a lot more reports of lower level marginal players and cash getting exchanged- but with revenue sharing and the explosion of mega contracts across the league -MLBTR’s approach to reporting and publishing of stories had to evolve to become more verified and official in timing and tone.
Mikenmn
So, Bellinger was dispensable…..but the Yankees took on the vest majority of his pay and gave up an arm. Yay Cashman…incomparable work. .
rocky7
Actually, getting back any money and giving up an extra arm who might not have even made the team in Poteet is a pretty good get…..
Mmm
Bellinger had negative value but because he’s in a scarce position in cf and an above regular trade comes out to about even as there are 100 poteets.
rocky7
True, but I think he’s playing LF not center….thats Martian territory to lose…..
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Dominguez is nowhere near as good as Yankee fans like to think. he is.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Both teams met their needs, win-win deal
King Floch
Better than nothing.
Pete Roseinhof
The Cubs had the 7th highest payroll with one of the lamest teams in all baseball. Hoyer is an abject failure. This guy has no sense of direction. Can’t wait to not watch them win 82-85 games, filled by Tucker signing with the Yankees.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pete
or 86 to 87 games and win the division!
BITA
I wonder if the Yankees still have enough money for a guy like Arenado or if perhaps they will go cheaper for the infielder or 2 they need.
rocky7
a. They don’t need 2 infielders…..Jazz is going to play second base so the only infield position open is 3rd, which is they had to can be a platoon between DJL, Perraza, and Cabrera…..would rather not but depends on what it would take to get anyone other than b. Arenado who is fading fast offensively and only brings an upgrade in glove work as compared to the three I mentioned above….
BITA
They are pretty thin at 1b. Maybe they don’t add someone else there but they probably should. I could see an infielder coming back to the Cardinals in a trade.
Arenado is a better hitter than any of those guys you named.
rocky7
You may be right….DJ is probably done, Perraza doesn’t seem to be able to hit ML pitching, but Cabrera is valuable because he’s a jack of all trades….albeit not great power and barreling consistently is a challenge…..but, considering Arenado…how far does he continue to slip….the Yankees got an up close look at a fading 3rd baseman who I believe was a league MVP….they don’t wish to go back down that street again…..
BITA
They are 2 different players. And you have no idea what they wish. I know they need a 3b.
Sadface
Cashman will probably get Arenado, but he should try to get Bregman.. Nolan will underperform and get injured and Jazz will be back at 3B.
BITA
Arenado has a very small injury history not sure why you think he will get hurt.
Bobcastelliniscat
Rich get richer.
C Yards Jeff
My hearts with the Orioles but my money is with the Dodgers and Yanks.
Hey Cashman and Friedman, no excuses in 2025. None. Your owners say to spend and you do it. If I’m your owner and don’t make it to the WS in 2025, bye bye.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I’m not happy with the idea he’ll play CF. They said Dominguez was going to play their and that means they still hasn’t to fill 1b. What’s the other shoe waiting to drop?
BITA
They have Bellinger, Judge, Dominguez and Grisham who all can play center. They will figure it out.
Sadface
Really Judge can play CF after the dropped ball in the World Series?
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Dominguez is not great either.
YanksPhan42
You and I wrote similar
Cmurphy
He’s going to do well in Yankee Stadium with that short porch.
Piro
Finally! Let’s hope this works out!
Echopark
Damn. Like this move for the Yanks. Was no one else willing to take Bellinger off the Cubs hands for nothing? So low risk with good upside.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Echo
No one else was ready to simply assume Belli’s contract for nothing. But this was close to that.
It suggests that the contract was only slightly underwater and that Belli’s defensive versatility was undervalued by pundits here.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Ask yourself why nobody wanted him.
Joe It All
This is one of those win win trades for both teams. It gives the Yankees the OF they desperately needed who has a chance to thrive with that short porch in right field. On the Cubs end of things, they are off the hook of Bellinger’s contract. Now they don’t need to worry about Bellinger getting injured or having a down year and opting in next year taking away money that could go to locking up Kyle Tucker long term. Plus it opens up funds for them to go out and add another starting pitcher to their rotation.
The Cubs have had a terrific offseason and are doing all the right things to vault to the front of the NL Central. All you have to do is get into the playoffs and anything can happen. As a Reds fan I hate seeing the Cubs get better but as a baseball fan, good for them.
Seamaholic
Bellinger’s not really an OF anymore. Not a good one anyway.
Sadface
It was a bad deal for the Cubs to begin with. I expected something like this from the Rockies after the Kris Bryant deal but not the Cubs.
YanksPhan42
They told him he’s playing CENTER?? The plot thickens a few ways then.
One, we still need a 1B.
Two, are maybe more importantly…..
The Martian looked lost defensively in LF last year out of his natural CF spot. If you’re keeping him, you’d play Beli in left. Is he now on the block??? I hope not.
BronxBombers23
Trading Jasson would be a huge mistake!
YanksPhan42
Agreed!
BITA
Mock trade
Arenado
Nootbaar
For
Dominguez
LeMahieu
YanksPhan42
Nobody is taking DJs deal. He’s washed.
BITA
If the Yankees will give up Dominguez I could see it happening. No question that’s a terrible contract.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Dominguez is not as good as Yankee fans seem to think he is.
YanksPhan42
Spoken like a total ASStros fan. The kid is what….21, a 5 tool player and a top 20 MLB prospect, but since a nit wit on a chat board doesn’t like him, guess he’s useless.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
2024 stats (Baseball Savant)
Batting Run Value -2 (below average)
Fielding Run Value -2 (below average)
Baserunning Run Value 0 (average)
Slash line from his 18 mlb games 179/313/304
Take off the rose-coloured glasses.
frankf
This is a blatant salary dump, which is OK,depending on how they plan on using said dumped salary.
cubfanforever
I totally agree. And that’s fine. Now go make a couple of significant moves.
ctbronx7
Damn! Jasson Dominguez gets screwed again.
Sadface
They should trade him, The Braves would probably give them Arcia….
fearthecub
The Yankees only agreed to this under the stipulation they get first dibs on Tucker if (when) the Cubs fall out of contention and start selling off short term assets later in the season.
soaktherich
It’s pretty hilarious that the Cubs beat out NYY for Tucker and then were like, here, you can have the guy we don’t need anymore cuz we got Tucker.
It’s classic Cashman too, acquiring an MVP from six years ago. Donaldson 2.0
BronxBombers23
Great move by Cashman. No Yankees fan wanted them to trade Gil for one year of Tucker. Bellinger and Donaldson… great comparison.
Sadface
So true. Cashman seems to value past MVPs too much. But really Yanks needed a CF or IB or 3B so maybe they are better off NOT getting Tucker and using Judge in CF again. Of course Bellinger could play 3B……
Baseball Purist
I bet Belli hits 32 hrs in Yankee stadium. His swing is perfect for that ballpark. All the while playing stellar defense at first or the OF. Good all around player.
Seamaholic
His days of stellar OF defense are long past, and he has among the lowest exit velos in baseball. Yankees got taken in by his reputation from when he was MVP.
Swingandamiss
Good, yes. At 27mil, he’s supposed to be great. There’s a lot of metrics that say he’s headed in the wrong direction. Yankees are good for him because they can eat the 52 million, just like they keep eating salary on other “good” players.
Datashark
Stanton and Bellinger will be able to swap stories of Belli’s wife…being she was with Stanton before Bellinger.
am sure the wife/GF section shall have some fierce eye glazing going on
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
This will make some interesting clubhouse chemistry….
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Awkward!
Mmm
This is basically the cubs dumping all belli money and signing poteet for 5 mil. I’m fine with that and as long as they now go ahead and grab a dejong or even a trade for Ryan McMahon as high end super utility guys.
BronxBombers23
Stanton and Belli back to back should work out very well…. Ask Belli‘s wife 😀
FOmeOLS
Cody Bellinger is a good player for my opponent to have.
Joe Carters walkoff
Am I not mistaken or isn’t Bellingers wife Giancarlos Ex? That should be interesting
mlbnyyfan
I’d still sign Profar for LF and Bregman for 3B. Bellinger at 1B with Dominez in CF
bravesfan
I get this for the yanks, 100%. And I understand the story they are trying to sell the fans for the cubs… but if I were a cubs fan, I wouldn’t be happy and here’s why. (Keep in mind, it’s not my money and I can care less about the financials of it all and it’s not like the cubs can’t afford all of this): but their lineup was not great last year and sure, Tucker is an upgrade from belly in my opinion, but your team overall is better with belly in it. And it’s not like you don’t have weaknesses elsewhere in the lineup and not line up don’t have enough versatility to move guys around. Didn’t happ use to play 2nd? Can’t belly play the entire outfield and 1st? Aren’t their other pieces that aren’t as good you can get rid of or figure something else to do with so your team is stronger? Idk… when the teams weakness is hitting, I don’t like trading away one of your better hitters
Swingandamiss
It’s all about what they do with the savings. It has to be an opportunity to get better. If you use it to bring in a bunch of middling relievers, it’s a horrible deal. If you use it to reunite Burnes and Counsel. It’s all good.
Wheeler Dealer
Congratulations to the Yankees Belli is a money player as a Cub fan this sucks
Seamaholic
He’s below league average.
Frankie Bani
I hope do not become a Alex Verdugo from the Dodgers version,,very desapoiment
thickiedon
Dang, kinda expected a bit of Poteet analysis
Frankie Bani
Here are de 670 millions dolars to Soto,
Fried 200.00 Belinguer 200.00 to 1B Santander 200.00 to CF,,and 60 millions available
Joe It All
The only issue with that is just because they were willing to spend 670 million on Soto doesn’t mean they want to spread that amount on a few other players. They will sign a few guys but may only send 400-500 million of the 670 they were willing to give Soto.
Anthony maresca
Not even close! So far they spent $218 Freid, Willian $8 and Belli $25.5 ( opt out after 2025) for $251 million which is 1/3 of Soto’s deal!!! They wont be anywhere close to spending $500 million. I say $8 for Santana, Hill $3 and Bregman $130 and done for $392 million total !!!
Pads Fans
Bregman turned down $156 million already. He is asking for Machado money, albeit over fewer seasons.
Frankie Bani
Next is Bergman 3B
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Try to learn how to spell his name at least.
thickiedon
Now Cubs can sign Burnes
Swingandamiss
Reality is this is a Cody Poteet signing for 5 million for two years had Belli opted out.
Seamaholic
Massively big deal for the Cubs. Clearing all that money that was going to a guy they can easily replace makes their off-season path so much easier.
stuart schlotterbeck
First of all, I hate the Yankees. Lol! I’m 63 and I’ve been an Orioles fan since I was 5 or 6. That being said, here are my thoughts on the Yankees’ offseason so far.
Soto- He’s a very good hitter, but his overall performance is not worth $700 million. Once Cohen said the Mets would top any team’s offer, Cashman knew Soto wasn’t staying with the Yankees. I think the only reason Cashman stayed in the bidding wars at that point was to make sure the final offer was higher than Boston and Toronto were willing to go. And to make the Mets pay a ridiculous amount.
Fried- I think Fried’s contract was a bit high, but in this offseason’s market it was worth it to land one of the best SP on the market. Fried is far better than Cortes.
Devin Williams- This was a brilliant trade. Cortes was a disgruntled player who was not a team player. And with Fried added, he was easily expendable. Williams showed once he returned from the IL that he was back to his usual self. Love this move!
Bellinger- Another smart move! The Yankees gave up basically nothing for a decent player that adds flexibility to the roster.
All of these smart moves on top of the brilliant trade for Chisholm at the deadline. Now the NYY only have two major holes to fill: 1B or OF, whichever Bellinger isn’t filling; and 2B or 3B, whichever one Chisholm isn’t filling.
I hate the NYY, but these moves have been brilliant so far. Kudos to Cashman and his crew.
Stan Not the Man
Spoken like a true Yankee fan masquerading has a O’s fan.
Seamaholic
Gave up “nothing”? He’s going to cost them $60m a year for the next two years, half salary half lux tax. They could have signed Christian Walker, who is a FAR superior player, for $20m AAV.
NYY15Capt
………… but they would have lost #3 & 6 draft pick AND lost internationial signing money because Walker turned down a qualifying offer.
Sadface
Hate the Yankees too, but they have made some smart moves. Now they need a 3B Chisholm is trying but he is not good there,
NYY15Capt
I cannot believe they were almost stupid enought to commit $65 million a year to Soto. Great bat but average defense who will be a DH in 6-8 years.. Thank you Mets!!
Problem is the Yankees always are 1 or 2 players away from dominating, when Hal pulls out his wallett and starts whing “I’m poor! Whaaaaaaaa!!” Corbin Burnes would just be unfair…but they refuse to take the leap. They could sign/trade for level B talent like Josh Bell for 1B; and platoon OC with DJ at 2nd. Then resign TH for bullpen and try to find at least 1 more LHP for pen; They have gotten away from what made them great: Pitching and defense, NOT big bats and home runs. They look more like the pathetic 1980’s Red Sox than the 1970’s Yankees.
Pads Fans
NY15, math is not your strong suit. Yankees offered Soto 16 years and $760 million. Your phone has a calculator on it. Use it.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I forgot you were an O’s fan after I got past your opening statement- you really do sound like a standard Yankees fan moreso than an O’s fan, haha.
desertdawg
Look at it this way, the Yankees trade Soto to the Mets, and get Fried, Bellinger, and Williams in return. If that was a real trade, you would think the Yankees would win out in this trade. Yankees have done well this off season, and if they do sign Walker or Bregman it would be look at a really good offseason. going into 2025.
surfdoc37
What a crazy bad trade by the Cubs. Relievers of Poteet’s ilk are readily available in free agency or even AAA for less than the money sent to the Yankees. And with Tucker guaranteed to be around for only a year, they ought to have been adding talent around him not subtracting. Spend a buck already.
Seamaholic
Literally the best trade of the off-season so far, for the Cubs.
holecamels35
Crying because they acquired a stud of and traded away a lesser one to save money. Man wish my team had that issue. This stuff just never happens in Pittsburgh.
Steve(shs22)
Who’s the prospect along with Poteet coming back to the cubs ?
Begamin
haha
Ma4170
Benjamin Franklin
Unclemike1526
Steve- 47.5 million bucks is his name. maybe you’ve heard of him.
sfjackcoke
Given how the market views opt-out provisions, why is ANY TEAM giving these out on short term deals? Regardless I still think BAL is kicking themselves for not going out and using that farm depth and not getting Snell while the had Burnes.
Of course there’s risk but how is that different that any other injury risk of a player on long(er) term contract? It’s on the margins and one trade deadline soon someone will pull the trigger at a lesser cost to get a player for a WS run..
Ragnarok
Considering Eflin threw a gem and the offense didn’t score —-im betting Elias is happy he has prospects instead of waving goodbye to Blake snell right now.
sfjackcoke
So you don’t think BAL odds of winning the AL East wouldn’t have been better with Snell for 2 months vs Eflin?
The point is with the opt out, Snell’s trade value is depressed and teams seems discount that opt-out too much. You could argue Bellinger’s contract is negative but the opt-out made it ridiculously so. These valuations/calculations that teams do internally are subjective and MLB is hugely copycat.
Ragnarok
I think Blake Snell is better than Eflin.
But Eflin made 9 starts and the team won 7 of 9 games he pitched. He put up a a 2.6 ERA. Then threw a gem in the postseason.
Hard to imagine Blake Snell would’ve improved us by that much. Having both, maybe! But the offense still disappeared and sent us home.
cbraves
A Cody for Cody trade!
NoNeckWilliams
Some of these contracts are so bad, that teams will soon have to throw in prospects to get teams to take them.
holecamels35
Yep, he was just signed last year on a “discount”. Just wait until next offseason when half the deals that were celebrated now look like mistakes and teams try to get out from under them.
Sadface
Don’t get this from the Cubs side. Sure they get salary relief but does this trade really help them? As for the Yankees, good for them. Belinger is a good CF which should keep Judge outta CF. Now they should get Walker or Alonso and wrap up the offseason.
Paleobros
The Cody balance in the universe remains.
YourDreamGM
I like this for NY. Like their off season. Bellinger NY minus 10m ain’t bad. Have you seen the free agent cf? Yankees got some good players. Big names. Better with these guys than with Soto.
MRSHOWTIME
-5 million
Cubs TV
Now what does Jed do with the $40-50MM left to get this roster over the hump? Looks like it’s gonna be luzardo, RP, bench bat, and maybe get creative with hoerner/2B
ortsacnilrats
He should sign Burnes to get them over the hump.
NYY15Capt
STOP BEING A JERK HAL AND ALWAYS PLAYING IT CHEAP!!! BURNES, BREGMAN, AND BELL FOR 1B [you can grab him for a lousy 1-2 years and he’s a switchhitter that will give you 20 hrs., 90 rbi’s, and LESS than 90 SO’s every year!
agab00p
this was all about $$$$$. Pete-Crow Armstrong had zero to do with this
canadianyankee
The PR teams from both clubs celebrate this trade as they don’t have to discard their “Merry Christmas Cody” gifts they had already purchased and had personalized
Citizen1
Deal voided since the cubs don’t have the rights to Kevin Cash.
Cubs demoted to mlb minor league team status, supplying talent for the rest of the league.
ChiSoxCity
The Cubs got who? And they paid cash plus an established big league CF? Why do teams continue to make these mindless, one-sided trades with the Yankees? It blows my mind.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
If you can’t see that the Cubs are better off with $50M off the books than with a surplus outfielder, then perhaps your mind is permanently blown.
dasit
all is well in the codyverse
Rsox
Knew this was coming the day Soto signed with the Mets. Good fit for Bellinger though
Pads Fans
Looks like the Cubs took basically nothing in return for paying very little to the Yankees. Poteet will be 30 in 2025 and has 83 career IP in the majors. He was not listed on the Yankees depth chart and he is not listed on the Cubs depth chart.
The Yankees blinked and between salary and CBT fines they will pay $55 million in 2025 for Bellinger if he plays well and opts out or $95 million if he plays poorly again and opts in for 2026.
Both teams lost this trade. Cubs because all they got was salary relief and the Yankees because they will pay $55-$95 million for Belli. I didn’t think both losing the trade was possible.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Based on your CBT argument, the Yankees were going to lose anyway as they have multiple positions to fill.
pt57
Poteet is a reliever with options. That’s all they were ever going to get unless the ate more salary.
Pads Fans
PT you are right. The Cubs took nothing in return for Bellinger to get salary relief. Unless the Cubs have massive injury issues, Poteet will not see much if any time in the majors this season and then he will be arbitration eligible and likely non-tendered.
El Kabong
The Cubs got more than just salary relief. Rather than pay Bellinger, they can use that money to bring in better players.
Pads Fans
What was that Bong? You just described salary relief.
Ragnarok
Salary relief is great when you have a player who doesn’t fit on your roster. They can reallocate that money in a much better way.
Doesn’t need to be anymore than that.
Pads Fans
The point jlittlez is that salary relief was all that they got in this trade.
Ragnarok
Because that’s all you get back when a guy is on a market value contract. Your point was that they lost the trade. That’s pretty ludicrous. They gained the ability to sign players that fit their roster.
Very clever 3rd grade dig too!
Mikenmn
When Brian Cashman is involved…
ArianaGrandSlam
Now give Gleyber a chance and re-sign him a one-year contract with the second year option as the lead-off. He found it pretty well last year by giving up hitting homeruns.
Greensoxbaseball
Good move — Now we just need to resign TIm Hill and a new 1B and we ready to get back into the series (hopefully win this time)
Curious who the Yankees end up going with for 1b and (maybe??) 3B?
vyank
Now a thirdbaseman
pt57
Would not be surprised at all if the Cubs still try to move Suzuki.
Suzuki has said he doesn’t want to DH and trading him would clear ABs for the many Cubs prospects.
Pads Fans
Suzuki actually has trade value. The Cubs might get something back for him.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Batting in front of Judge?
Probably the best thing that has ever happened to Bellinger.
Joe It All
To the upset Cubs fans who don’t understand this deal and think the Cubs gave away Bellinger for nothing.. you didn’t!
As upset as you are now because you think the team got worse, you’ll be a lot happier down the road when you lockup Kyle Tucker long term because you were able to unload Bellinger’s contract. The Cubs don’t make this move if they don’t plan on doing what it takes to sign Tucker long term.
mad1
The lovable losers will never pay 400 million plus to extend Tucker
Diggydugler
Yup like the opposite of the Jays who locked up Gimenez for lots of money long term and wont extend Bo or Vlad or sign Tucker!
whyhayzee
Buy buy Yankees. Then bye bye Yankees.
Rays in the Bay
Basically a salary dump move for the Cubs. They’ll be happy to get the money off the books. Yankees don’t really care about money and slightly upgrades their lineup. I didn’t think the Cubs were gonna find a taker for Bellinger with that contract. I forgot the Yankees and Mets existed
yankswang
Cody should be in 1B or LF, beacuse his DRS in CF is bad.
Let Martian play CF,and Grisham can replace him in late inning.
I think the next move is bring some lefty reliefs in bullpen or sign Santana or Goldy in 1B.
Led Hoyer
CF is definitely his worst position.
El Kabong
Something to keep an eye on: During Bellinger’s lengthy struggles in Los Angeles, the fans at Dodger Stadium never turned him. How patient will Yankee Stadium fans be if Cody’s performance is less-than-stellar in 2025?
YankeesBleacherCreature
He’ll be fine. The fans never turned on Verdugo or Rizzo despite their struggles. Work hard, be cool, and don’t be a dick.
dasit
just use cypress hill as your walkup music and you’re a legend
BronxBombers23
El Kabong my friend, you can’t really compare. He struggled after they won the WS. He already had two great and one ok seasons plus he hit the go ahead homer in game 7 against the braves. Of course he had some credit.
Captainmike1
Year after year incompetent GMs give contracts like the one to Cody and then pay the penalty at some point
Mikenmn
“However, beyond the roster crunch, the Cubs were also likely motivated to move Bellinger due to his decline in performance.” Uh, yeah, and his contract is overpriced and risky. But other than that: declining performance and over-priced contract, solid move by Cashman.
rememberthecoop
This was a total salary dump, clear and simple. Nothing more to it than that.
rememberthecoop
I just can’t see that happening for two reasons. One, I can’t envision Ricketts forking over the kind of cold, hard cabbage it would take to sign Tucker. Second, why would he want to sign an extension when he’s so close to FA? Given what Soto got, I can see him asking for 35-40MM per year over 10. Offensively, he isn’t Soto, but he’s Soto-lite. And he has value defensively and on the basepaths that Soto doesn’t offer.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah- the reality is that nobody in Tucker’s situation is likely to give their brand new club a hometown discount on what could be the biggest payday of their career.
I also agree that Tucker is officially in that $30-40M AAV club and obviously 2025 is a gamble- does it go so well it tips him into the $40M club or if he’d have to “settle” for like $27.5M AAV? We won’t know til sometimes in or by the end of the 2025 season, but he is going to get a mega deal in the 10+ year range.
Karensjer
That’s it?!!!! Bellinger could win MVP and the Cubs just got Poteet, a guy who they’ll probably DFA in July?!! And they gave the Bankee$ cash?!!! Let’s just give New York #28 right now and maybe Manfraud will step up and keep them from fleecing the rest of the league and let another team have a chance. The way they are fleecing people in trades is ludicrous!!
El Kabong
How is this a fleecing in your mind?
Karensjer
Bellinger, when he is on track, can rake 40 HRs and be an MVP-type hitter. With this Yankee lineup, he is going to get pitches to hit. If the Cubs had enough big boppers, Bellinger would get pitches to hit as well.
To give up a pitcher like Poteet, who has a good chance of getting released before 2025 ends, it just seems that Bellinger is worth a lot more, maybe not a Dominguez, but certainly an intriguing prospect like Rice or Spencer Jones.
Bellinger is going to produce for the Yankees and this trade is going to look like a slaughter.
With the team getting rid of a dud like Cortes and getting an all-star closer/setup man in Williams, coupled with this trade, I really think Manfraud is orchestrating these trades and perhaps paying off some owners to give the Yankee$ some great players for pennies on the dollar in order to guarantee them the championship in 2025.
El Kabong
Bellinger has not been an MVP-type hitter since 2019. His last three years in Los Angeles, he was miserable despite being in a lineup filled with big boppers. The Cubs can use the money saved to bring in better players.
Acquiring Cody Bellinger is not getting a ” great player” for pennies on the dollar. He is not that player anymore.
Put this way: The Yankees just replaced Juan Soto with Cody Bellinger. Looking ahead to 2025, that is not a win for the Yankees.
Karensjer
When you figure that Soto is getting replaced by a washed up Bellinger, it’s a little easier to swallow.
I’m just scared that Cody will come back to form and that more players will be added. I hope you are right and Bellinger is done.
billysbballz
What an awful take…
itsmeheyhii
Jones for Bellinger… you cant be serious.
cubfanforever
All about the Cubs getting out of the Bellinger contract. Nothing more. Let’s see what Hoyer does with the savings.
PeteRose’s Bookie
Yankees trade for another bloated contract….water is wet. At least it is short term.
Moneyballer
Cubs are dumb. Keep making small market moves and you’ll wind up with a small market club that misses the playoffs every year. Pathetic!
YankeesBleacherCreature
Kyle Tucker?
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
Could they afford both Bellinger and Goldschmidt or Hernandez?
BronxBombers23
Yankees to sign Santander??? If they sign him and if they want Bellinger in CF, where will Santander and Jasson play?
yankswang
Cody can move to 1B,and Santander play LF.
Jasson play CF
BronxBombers23
I know that Belli can play 1B, but why should the Yankees say that they wanna use him in CF if they already have Jasson and are interested in Santander?
yankswang
infielder batting still bad, so yankees could add another bat like Santander.
BronxBombers23
I hope they trust Jasson. Would be a nightmare for me if he’s not starting the season in the Yankees lineup.
yankswang
Me too.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Because it might give you (NYY) more negotiating leverage (bring the price down) with a player who is a FA or available in a trade.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Gotta bake in injury risk for several of these players. Judge, Stanton, Bellinger, etc. have all gotten banged up in some form or another throughout their careers. Also, the Yankees, who made it all the way to the world series for the first time in years, want to win now. Trusting Jasson to figure it out on the fly doesn’t exactly scream win now, which is why they traded for Bellinger. At the very least he’s a proven big leaguer even though his career has been all over the place.
BronxBombers23
I’m happy that they traded for Belli. I’m not a fan of signing Santander to a 4-5 year deal, but if Belli plays 1B, Santander LF and Jasson CF, I would be ok with it. Let Jasson show his talent!
Ragnarok
You might as well give Santander a 1B mitt because Belli is certainly a better defender in the OF.
dasit
one way or another oswaldo will get way too many at-bats
Ben K
Does this mean they are out on Alonso?
rudymay45
Yanks probably sign Walker for three years and they’ll likely be done for the winter. As much as they like Bregman, he’s probably getting close to $30 million per year for 5 years and Cashman won’t go there. Santander wants a 5-year contract and I don’t think NY wants that either, even if it only costs them $20 million annually. As far as the infield goes, I see Chisolm staying at 3B and a platoon of Cabrera and Peraza at 2B. If would be worth it for Cashman to check in with St. Louis and see if they are interested in a Clarke Schmidt for Brendan Donovan trade, he’d be a great fit in Yankee Stadium.
Mmm
30 for 5? Bregmans asking 200 mil.
rocky7
Just another reason to say no thanks…..platoon at 3rd, or use Jazz there, or platoon at 2nd and leave Jazz at 3rd,,,,,Perraza, Cabrera,, DDJL (if he has anything left) and/or a glove first acquisition for defense…….they sign Walker who solidifies the infield with GG first base play…and pop in his bat……only for 3 years….good get!
rudymay45
Really? Oh, wow. Then they’ll probably pivot to either Walker or Santander, each of whom can probably be had for fewer dollars, although Tony Tater supposedly wants five years, which I don’t think he’ll get.
bcard12
I’m biased as a red sox fan but I never thought Bellinger was that good. he
reminds me of jayson heyward with a slightly better, yet inconsistent bat. Matt Chapman falls into this category….great fielders that hit a couple humerus one year and then get paid. I think he will have 1 great season for the yanks but who knows what year that will be
dasit
hopefully this year and then he opts out
seamaholic 2
Bellinger is not a “great fielder.”
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
He’s gonna love that short porch in right field.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Only if he can actually connect bat to ball.
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
Hahahahaha
El Kabong
Ha. I didn’t know about the Bellinger/Stanton story until a few minutes ago.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Me neither. A model/influencer who dates pro athletes? Belli knew what he was getting himself into and he has two kids with her. Nothing burger story the media undoubtedly will shamelessly try to exploit.
El Kabong
Ah yes. The old blame the media routine. There’s a lot of that going around these days in Murica.
Yanks4life22
So basically 2 years for $47mil for him. Im surprised in the lack of interest in that. I wonder what this does to Alknso’s market
Dmac13
I like this deal and lot for NY. I know the article reads they plan to use him as a CF but really hoping he plays 1b. I’d like for them to make 3 more moves. If bellinger is 1b then the need 1 of, 1 relief pitcher and 2b or 3b. (1 big signing to go) Santander or bregman I’d prefer Santander moving the Martian to cf and keep chisholm at 3b. Sign a vet like Adam Frazier as a backup and let peraza,cabrera and Frazier get time at 2b along with djl if still around. And add a lefty reliever… tim hill is ok. Or if the sign bregman then you move chisholm to 2b and instead of Frazier sign joc Peterson for lf and then add tim hill as a lefty reliever.. either way you have 2 stacked line ups! Again this is all with bellinger playing 1b. I don’t want any of the free agent 1b guys except for maybe Christian walker but 3 yrs or less everyone else unfortunately I don’t want a 35 plus year old even on a 1 year deal
YankeesBleacherCreature
Martian is unlikely to break camp unless he sets ST on fire. He’ll be sent down for more seasoning.
dasit
unless they sign another outfielder sending him down means one of oswaldo/grisham would be playing every day. as long as he doesn’t completely crap the bed in ST i think he’s the opening day left fielder
Dmac13
** after thinking about this more if they can trade stroman and get rid of 18 million salary perhaps they can sign 2 guys for around 20 million each annually.. would Santander take 20 million per if getting 4-5 years? Will Christian walker take 3 year 60 mill, tanner scott 3 year 45? Or why not take a flier with gio urshela for 3b again? It worked well the 1st time I be he comes on a 1 year 6-7 mill incentive deal yankees could go cheap with say Gio urshela, joc Peterson, tim hill and then grab Christian walker or or tanner scott.. for pretty much the same payroll. Options galore
Lalo says show me
The Bellinger signing by the cubs seemed like an instant regret move by them.
I don’t know how much better they were expecting him to perform than he did this past year. He was fine, nothing special, but they were so eager to move on from him it’s a wonder why they even gave him that contract in the first place.
It’s an overpay for him, but it’s not like he’s getting drastically overpaid.
I don’t typically buy into the whole lefty automatically will improve his numbers at Yankee stadium, but he does seem tailor made for that rf. Just moving judge away from cf and offering that positional flexibility is big.
Yanks have had a great offseason so far. Not signing Soto will end up being the best thing that happened for them.
YankeesBleacherCreature
He was a 4.4 bWAR player in 2023. Had he repeated that performance this past season, he would’ve been a Cubs extension candidate and Kyle Tucker wouldn’t be on the team. I’m glad Judge won’t be playing CF.
seamaholic 2
Bellinger is a very poor CF these days.
Raymond Flagstaff
bellingers here, get your bellingers, only cost ya 50 millions bucks, get your bellingers here, step right up, you never know what youre gonna get, get your bellingers here, please?
formerlyz
Another guy the Marli s lost for nothing…2019-2023 was just an instant replay of 2014-2017
LernersWallet
If you click Bellinger‘s hyperlinked name at the beginning of the update it says that his WAR in 2024 was 2.2 not 4.4 as the update further suggests.
SadMsFan
Dannnmmmm!!!! Cody is a Yankee! Cubs get a decent pitcher in return. Interesting deal.
Doron
Cody Poteet is actually a pretty good pitcher.
He will surprise Cubs Fans.
As it turns out, the Cubs were not looking for a haul in return, they were looking for a pure salary dump.
Their return is actually pretty good for a salary dump.
Doron
I am actually a bit upset that the Yankees are losing Poteet, since I viewed him as a Potential Iceman Mendoza of the late 90’s dynasty.
Spot Starter + Long Man.
Having said that, if it’s between having Poteet and Bellinger…….No question whom I prefer, and it ain’t Poteet….
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wait, the Cubs traded Spicoli for Little Bo Peep?
dasit
cody and giancarlo: eskimo brothers
Domingo111
I like it. Bellinger doesn’t have very good batted ball quality but he is a high launch angle guy and his average launch angle to the pull side is 12 degrees which is twice the league average (6 degrees). He hits a fair Share of weak fly balls and pop ups too but in Yankee stadium some of those weak high fly balls that usually die on the warning track will be home runs so he could outslug his expected stats.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Nice analytical approach to this.
numberoneslayerfan
analytics? in an mlbtraderumors comment section? i never thought i’d see the day
Pads Fans
Bellinger’s launch angle was 17.4 last season. MLB average was 12.3
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/cody-bellinge…
Looking at his spray chart, you see that if 100% of his games were in Yankee Stadium that he would have hit 6 more HR last season. Only 50% of his games will be there, so maybe 3 more. 21 instead of 18.
If you have another source of data, I would love to see it, but that is what the MLB official StatCast page shows.
Domingo111
I was just looking at his pull side launch angle. It is true that he would not have hit that many more homers with last years swing but he could also try to pull the ball more if he played in YS (last year his pull% vs 42% vs a career high of 47%).
So maybe instead of 3 more HR he can hit more like 6 or 7 more.
I could see him hit 30 next year if he is healthy
StrandedM'sFanInL.A.
At least I don’t have to worry about the Mariners trading Castillo for Bellinger and his contract… Go M’s!!!
Domingo111
I think bellinger would have been a very bad fit for Seattle. Their park is third worst last year on slugging on pulled fly balls and also the stadium boosts strikeouts. “Outslug the EV” type of hitters don’t do very well there. di poto tried that route acquiring some decent contact ability, below average EV but can pull some out guys like canzone, Toro and some others but it didn’t quite work.
You either need some guys who can really lean into the contact (like 90+ zone contact) or real power hitters but those 18% k, 15 homer guys who hit 265 become 21% k, 9 homer guys who hit 240 there.
Whiskey and leather balls
Any team could have had him….but the yanks had more money. LA already had him its the merry go round of the teams with the most money to burn. The Rangers bought themselves a trophy just the year before last what ya gonna do. MlB could give two logs. The poor teams are gonna have to overachieve twenty-fold or it’s gonna be the status quo year in and year out
CGG12
Let’s hope this is closer to the result of the Soto trade and less like the Gallo trade.
BigA 3
Halos have gone quiet lately. They need a lot more for WC aspirations.
TheGr8One
Way too much concern with what Bellinger is and isn’t. Let’s talk price. They got him for a 30 year old with a career 1.3 WAR. Bellinger may not be a Ferrari but they got him for a Kia.
seamaholic 2
You forgot the $60m for two years, which with lux tax is double that.
billysbballz
Next moves are to move out bad contracts. Stroman first and maybe DJ? There’s a way they can do this and add a prospect or two back. Stroman makes 18 million next year and another 18 million in 2026 if he reaches 140 innings which he will not do for argument sake the Yanks owe him 18m.
DJ is owed 15m in 2025 and 15m in 2026.
The total is 48m.
Nolan Arenado is owed 21m, 16m, and 15m over the next 3 seasons which adds up to 51m.
If the Yanks deal DJ and Stroman to Cardinals with a prospect or two for Nolan than that’s a smart deal for both clubs. It saves the Yankees 10m next season to add another piece to the bullpen or even another starter. Also gives them a 3rd baseman and moved Jazz over to second. The two prospects that go back can be an Everson Pereira who was in too 100 in BA last season before his elbow injury shelved him with season ending surgery and maybe an arm that is almost ready? Trade makes sense for both teams as Cardinals get out of Arenado contract, add two prospects, and overall save a few million. Thoughts?
billysbballz
My math was wrong
Nolan is owed 52m not 51m. Also he would have to agree on the trade because he has no trade clause. DJ has a limited no trade clause.
billysbballz
I left out Arenado deferred money so wow he’s owed 74m! That’s allot for guy his age. I’m not sure the Yankees would even consider this unless maybe Grisham contract which is 7m goes back as well…. Crazy idea but never know.
Doron
DJ is a 10/5 player.
The only move the Yankees can make if he refuses to be traded is to release him and eat his salary. (if he waives his 10/5 rights for any trade, the Yankees likely have to eat 20-25 million of the 30 too, which, I suppose, is better than eating the full 30, and whatever they get for him is a lottery ticket too)
I doubt they do that, I think that DJ has earned the right for 1 more chance.
He likely gets released at the end of this season if he has another year like last though.
Regarding Arenado?
I am of the opinion that he is worth kicking the tires on to find out how St. Louis and NYY can match up.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I agree on DJ. I keep hoping he’s just been really really unlucky and that he bounces back, maybe even works as the primary in house first base solution and provides .275-ish, 10 HR-ish 2.5+ WAR-ish production next year over about 125 games, if not more games and slightly plumper stats.
But if he’s clearly washed, I think a “compassionate” release is in the works.
rudymay45
DJ is as fried as the Bluefish I had for dinner last night.
rocky7
Agree on DJL but disagree on Arenado…been down that road with 3rd baseman on the decline….remember?
Mikenmn
Two reasonable possibilities here. Bellinger has a solid 2025, a 4 WAR player, Yankees fans cheer more than they boo, and he opts out. Yankees just spent a lot of money for a single year. Second, Bellinger is a 2WAR player when he’s in the line up, Yankees fans boo for most of the season, and get 2026 as a bonus year for even more booing. Don’t love this deal. There had to be better ways to spend this kind of money. He’s a B- player getting paid A+ dollars.
Mikel Grady
2.2 war 18 hr .266 average glove 25 million a year . Wow Yankees really pulled the wool over Cubs eyes . Perfect replacement for Juan Soto loss. Almost same stats . Not
rocky7
Given the offensive players available after Soto decided to take the best financial offer he could possibly get…..Bellinger being a former MVP, able to play multiple positions in the infield and outfield, left-handed given the short porch, and better than a league average batting average…I’d say and other might agree yes, he’s a good get for the Yankees……every ballplayer around the league is probably being overpaid since the advent of analytics that prop up all the negatives that BA, OBP, etc were used to determine a players worth……..and given the Yankees gave the Cubs a pitcher who may very well not even make it on the team past Spring Training…..YES!..GOOD GET!
whyhayzee
Players are being overpaid because the Yankees have been bidding up salaries since free agency began. That approach prices many franchises out of the free agent market completely and makes the remaining franchises risk being hamstrung by large contracts. Then the Yankees can offer pennies on the dollar to land players like Stanton and Bellinger. It worked for Gorge Steingrabber many times over. Also, they always had the dumpires help in the postseason as well as during the season. Countless examples. But now they are so utterly incompetent that they can’t win even as the most favored franchise in all sports. Sad and pathetic but well deserved.
Begamin
Surely this isnt a biased and ridiculous opinion from a salty fan. Yankees arent even the big dawgs anymore, theyve been getting outbid routinely. Keep malding over Bellinger tho, weird hill to die on for a guy with 2.2 WAR last year that the Yanks are paying a solid amount for
whyhayzee
You’re right, it’s not biased, that’s the whole point. Simple history lesson with made up names to protect the convicted criminal.
Begamin
Manchild
sandman12
For a healthy 2023 season, Luzardo put up 4.0 WAR. Justin Steele sat at 3.7 for that season, his best as a Cub.
cplwhite
This trade just proves 1 thing. The Cubs are only trying to salary dump so they have no big money on the books in case of a strike in 2026..
And if isn’t that then Hoyer and Ricketts are clearly taking fans who pay for this crap product for fools and they need to be BOYCOTTING THE CUBS
msqboxer
Never thought I’d see a dumber GM than Chris Getz on the southside…but low and behold one in the same city.
Chicks dig bunting
I can see the cubs make an offer to Pete Alonso
jvent
Wow, what a surprise that the Yankees get who they want for next to nothing, again and again lol
desertdawg
Well, it is starting to look like MLB is developing a bad situation for the good of its product. When you have only three teams willing to give out unlimited amounts of money in player salaries, and then you have 27 teams that go buy a controlled salary limited budget plan. Yes, you will have the same three teams making all the news of the off season. When you have a solid full league payroll budget that changes each year you will have more player movement ala NFL where every team will go out of its way to make themselves better, unlike MLB where smaller market teams are not going to be able to stand up to the LA’s and NY teams. An NFL salary structure would not be all that bad for the MLB. I would like it because you would get MLB to compete with the NFL 365 days a year for entertainment and interest.