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Nishmeister. If you want video add your yes to this discussion in FlickrIdeas.
www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600172317642/
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I hope videos stay away from Flickr. There are plenty of good sites for that. Flickr is for photos, and it should stay that way!
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Nope. Ain't happening.
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Yahoo's Flickr version for videos is its website: www.jumpcut.com
No idea whether Yahoo will ever merge the two.
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the should but that jumpcut link in under there upload menu labal vids
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Yup, I agree Judy.
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somebody needs to tell AnaSofia that she was just having a bad dream.
www.flickr.com/help/forum/60994/
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It was announced a few months ago that Flickr would be 'supporting video' in the future... and now AnaSofia said one week ago, that it will be soon. So I guess we can assume that the answer is "soon". :)
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Yes, the answers is "soon."
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Apologías, but that will be my exit cue.
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*quietly nudges heather to include a "won't play unless I hit 'play'" feature*
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Heather saying that the answer is soon, is that an official statement from flickr indicating that indeed we will be able to post video here? If that's so all of the internet would be reduced to flickr for me! Cool!
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Heather saying that the answer is soon, is that an official statement from flickr indicating that indeed we will be able to post video here?
Stewart mentioned months ago that video would be coming to Flickr in a Spanish language newspaper. At the time, integration of video was "soon." "Soon" is when video will be integrated.
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at least we've been warned. sort of. :-(
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Is "soon" the same concept as "real soon now"? If so, we have little to worry about.
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So "soon" means "not any time soon", sort of, right?
I guess I got all excited about nothing all too "soon".
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Rolii, We don't talk about new features and timelines before we roll them out. So, it's "soon."
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Whew. As long as the video is only implemented in a spanish language newspaper, I'll be happy.
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heather Please tell me that you got your thesaurus on clearance and it lists soon as an synonym for Never.
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Hands up all those who want video "opt-in" rather than shoved down our throats...
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Definitely opt in.
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I really hope they don't have videos on flickr. I'm not really so much for opt-in though. Honestly, there are enough video sites around - fact is that they may not be really good. But I love flickr for its community of budding photographers and that's where flickr stands from. In a warped way, videos may seem like photography too, but please leave it out. I fear the swarming of people coming to flickr just so they can have a place for their videos. Great for Yahoo's stocks possibly, but painful for the loyal lovers of flickr who loves the community as it is. :/ Just my two cents.
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Oh, please, no video. If Flickr must, then please include an opt-in feature, as Dr. Keats mentioned.
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Not just Opt In. I'd assume that'd somehow be the case. I'm much more concerned about the drain on Flickr's resources (staff, programming, and bandwidth) and how it could negatively impact the photo sharing part. Please make it a "partner" thing like Picnik. You people go THERE, away from HERE, and enjoy yourselves. that kind of thing.
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Ok, THAT'S a video I'd be prepared to put up with..
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LOL, it's great to see all the usual flickr apologists crying over the inclusion of video in flickr. I just hope that all of you leave flickr when video support is rolled out, something you constantly feel the need to tell those of us who don't agree with everything flickr does.
This should teach you to show some empathy for others.
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teamwhine:
"I just hope that all of you leave flickr when video support is rolled out,"
What a lovely sentiment. How nice for you. There was no disparaging commentary against any member in this thread until your thoughtful observation. It takes all kinds.
/flickr apologist
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Wow.... This train took the fast train to Ugly while I was sleeping.
Hands up all those who want video "opt-in" rather than shoved down our throats...
Like you don't have to upload one if you don't want to?
I really can't comment on how video will be integrated, but please rest assured that it will be done in a way that respects the current elasticity of Flickr.
Personally, when I first joined the team 2.5+ years ago, I was in the hands down "over my dead body" school of thought. Then Derek gave me a Sony Cybershot and I really understood how interesting video can be. We're not thinking about video in ways that you might experience it in say another large video site, but in a way that complements the Flickrness of the Flickrbeing. And that's as far as I'm going.
If this topic gets uglier, I'll close it (Scrooge that I am).
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in a way that complements the Flickrness of the Flickrbeing.
I'm intrigued...and almost looking forward to seeing what comes up!
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I'm not intrigued. I don't want to see/hear other's amateur videos. I certainly don't want a site overrun with videos stolen from you-tube.
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Then Derek gave me a Sony Cybershot and I really understood how interesting video can be.
Well. I'm open to that sort of persuasion. If you or Derek wants to give me a Cybershot, I'd personally vouch for the greatness of video on Flickr. I'd even consider it an honour to do so.
Do you need my address?
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RubyMae, the thing's you don't have to see or hear other people's videos, just like I don't have to see anyone's photos here. I see the photos I want to see, you see the videos you want to see. C'mon people, can't we all get along?
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I certainly don't want a site overrun with videos stolen from you-tube.
We don't want that either. Really.
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Well the site now is pretty much overrun with photos stolen from the web so not sure how easy it will be to keep on top of the video issue.
That isn't a criticism of the staff, I know they do as much as possible to police the site, but I still feel it is a loosing battle.
flickr is becoming a victim of its own success...
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Well the site now is pretty much overrun with photos stolen from the web so not sure how easy it will be to keep on top of the video issue.
Over run? Really?
I love sweeping statements like that. So snagged images comprise the majority of flickr images? Really?
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Brock - if you took a moment to look outside your comments, you'd see that comment (from John) is not so far off-base. Take a look at "everyone's photos" and you'll see lots of stuff ripped from the web. I can't count the number of times some well meaning individual comes to the Help Forum and asks if they can upload photos that aren't theres; and when they're told "no" they respond "but everyone else is."
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If I had any credible reason to think that the addition of video was coming from the original flickr development team and not Yahoo! I might feel more reassured regarding it's implementation. As it stands now, I just see this as Yahoo! trying to compete with Google (rather than flickr adding a feature that would truly enhance the photo-sharing experience).
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Thanks RubyMae
And Brock, I would not class it as a sweeping comment, as RubyMae pointed out, just a few moments on "everyones photos" will bring up plenty of examples.
I never said it was a majority, but it is a rapidly growing problem.
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Interesting. My experience of Everyone's is the exact opposite. I'd have said that the trend was actually the other way, if pushed for an opinion.
But "overrun" in that context directly implies a defining majority. Perhaps it was a terminology issue.
[edit: After Ruby's suggestion, I reloaded the 'Everyone's page about 24 times. I saw two snagged images out of 480 - both from the same user uploading an album sleeve. Again, my perception is this is a lessening trend. Maybe it's (seriously) linked to what time I surf flickr though, and where the emerging markets are - the excitable new users tend to upload all kinds of crap, whereas established accounts settle down. Interesting].
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If I had any credible reason to think that the addition of video was coming from the original flickr development team and not Yahoo! I might feel more reassured regarding it's implementation.
Everything that you see on Flickr comes from the original Flickr development team -- they're all still here (+ all the wonderful team member who've joined us as we've grown larger).
Video is a conversation that's been happening since I joined the team (that was when they first came down to California) and one that they most likely had back prior to the acquisition.
As it stands now, I just see this as Yahoo! trying to compete with Google (rather than flickr adding a feature that would truly enhance the photo-sharing experience).
I am categorically declaring (in bold) that video on Flickr isn't being introduced to compete with Google. Ever. Period.
Really.
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As an English teacher I tend to use the Oxford English dictionary which states spread over or occupy in large numbers
As regards everyones, I often click through from a genuine photo to find the rest of the page/stream is snagged stuff.
I don't see it as lessening in any way, since the Yahoo influx I would say it has been more marked.
Perhaps I should point out that though my current account is relatively new, my previous existed from pretty much day one so I have some experience around the place.
I didn't come her to pick fights, just to register my view on what I feel is a flawed move by flickr...
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Well, Heather, I do consider you a credible source, so for now I'll just take deep breaths and hope it won't be as horrible as I'm imagining. ;-)
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teamwhine: if Flickr loathers such as yourself can't bring yourself to back up your convictions and leave, then it will likely take a bit more than an unwanted feature to make people who actually enjoy Flickr pack it in.
By "opt in", I don't mean "just don't click on it". I mean, Flickr always called itself a "PHOTO sharing site". That was the justification to keep artwork buried for so long. And to the average user, artwork still IS buried, since the search function for art is opt in, and it's permanently banned from Explore.
I would expect no less for video. Invisible from Explore and Search, just like art, unless I choose to see it.
But that sort of thing will play out with usability and time, if lots of people complain that video thumbnails look just like photo thumbnails so they don't know what they're clicking on, etc.
But if Flickr becomes no longer a PHOTO site, then the justifications for hiding art from Explore and Search get pretty weak. So I'll be wanting to revisit that stuff, much to the chagrin of some here who know me from the time before I was a Flickr Apologist.
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I'm with Heather. Flickr is about photos, about sharing. If Yahoo! wants to compete with YouTube, this isn't the platform for it. However, if they want to provide a simple way to share home-made videos with your the social network you've already established on Flickr, then it's the perfect platform. The easiest way I can think of to prevent the YouTubification would be to restrict all videos to contacts only (and guest passes). That would make it clear what the point of the service is.
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The easiest way I can think of to prevent the YouTubification would be to restrict all videos to contacts only (and guest passes) -- or put them on the same par as the artwork and illustration: out of Explore (FWIW), and not the default in searches.
I have to say that I was all anti-video-on-Flickr, but you know, I have a tidbit of video I want to put together (once I can figure out how to take the two extant pieces and make them go together the way I want), but I'm not about to set myself up on YouTube just for that. And it's been hard enough to get people (family) to get the hang of seeing family photos on Flickr, much less get them to add a second site. (Does YouTube even have guest pass like things?) And I almost never click on anything anyone links to over there from here because it'll play at me before I know what it is enough to make a decision on whether I want that playing in my home office.
If it's done right -- and I can't see any reason not to trust that Flickr's priorities won't suddenly change -- I can't see how video will completely overwhelm what this site is now.
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Flickr supporting video soon? Excellent.
I kludged YouTube for sharing my simple videoclips, until YouTube started failing more than it worked.
Then I moved to vimeo, and it is less klunky, but it is far from being the best integration.
Looking forward to being able to upload my personal videoclips here, so the family can enjoy them without having to mess around with other websites, subscriptions and passwords.
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I hear you Gustavo.
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i would love to have video on Flickr.
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I have three concerns:
1) Video stuff cluttering up my account UI if I don't upload videos. One of the things I liked about Flickr was that it wasn't a universal identity site. So it didn't have animation and embedded stuff and videos and music. Flickr was nice. Peaceful. Zen. Never would I load someone's profile page to be attacked by a multimedia frenzy. Well for the most part.
2) Flickr taking a performance hit from streaming video, like the performance issues that came around when Y! photos merged. A short term hit like there was for Y! (a couple of months) is one thing, but I fear video streaming would have more lasting impact. Manage the ramp-up in bandwidth (if there is one) and I will be ok.
3) That video is part of a slow slide into Flickr becoming an all-around online identity site like MySpace or Facebook. I like the constraints we have with photography. I like the creativity I see people express within those constraints. Opening up more avenues doesn't always lead to better art.
I pray the day isn't coming where I have to mute my PC all the time in case I accidentally click through to someone's profile who has embedded multimedia that goes nuts as soon as I open the page.
If I want crap jumping out at me I can go frag things for a few hours on a game console. :)
EDIT - That said, let everyone else enjoy their video. I can ignore them given the above concerns are mitigated.
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2) is one of the major concerns - video hosted from the same servers as photos. Those with no interest in videos being forced to wait minutes at a time for photo pages to load up because of server drain. As a bare minimum, video and photos shouldn't be housed on the same servers.
And I guarantee that there'll be uploaded music clips, TV clips, movie clips, TV commercials, bloopers, etc. Not to mention the explosion of porn... If a dedicated video site like YouTube can't stop copyright-infringing uploads, Flickr won't be able to, either...
And Heather, you've misunderstood - by "opt in", I meant that I shouldn't see videos unless I choose to. I don't want to go to someone's 'stream and be forced to wait while the videos on it load up, just so's I can get to the photos I went there to see. If I want to to see videos, I'll click on the "Include Videos in Search" bit which I'm sure you'll have the decency to include...
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this is an excellent way to get the entire site banned by corp. firewalls.
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<<opt this guy in, please.
Sounds like a very good idea. I would, however, like to see higher quality video than those other places, perhaps even the ability to "BUY" downloads of the full quality video to profit the originator AND defray storage and bandwidth.
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Superb idea..... find it interesting how many people are against it especially the person who's best reason is "there will be a video link on the UI"
get a grip!!
i use flickr as a permanent archive for my personal photos... my family have always collected photos from holidays etc in a big suitcase full of albums. My intentions are to use flickr. and keep paying for it untill one of us kicks the bucket.
The fact that the majority of people who use this service are using it to express their photographic creativity should not stand int he way of people like me who want to use it to publish his personal media.
If you dont like videos, then dont upload them. If you dont want to see them, then dont play them.
Its like you have a fear of them or something!
Video will allow flickr to capture a new market and cement themselves as a profitable business even further and the idea has my full backing. Just hurry up and get on with it "soon" yeh!! :D
love you flickr xxxxx
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I'm not a great supporter of video on Flickr, but if it generates anything as cool as Heather's 10 Seconds collections, I think that'd be nifty:
hchamp.com/10seconds/
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NO NO NO NO NO NO Video on Flickr!!!!! GO TO YOUTUBE or somewhere else.
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There's enough video options out in cyberworld already. I wonder if adding video ( which I would be against ) would adversely affect the price of pro memberships in the future.
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I'm new to Flickr. I joined in order to share my photos w/ my family and friends. I'm not against adding video (I have plenty to share) but only if it's controlled somehow and with minimal impact to bandwidth. If I wanted to get bombarded with video, I would have joined YouTube!
Hopefully, I don't have to find a new site.
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> i use flickr as a permanent archive for my personal photos.
I hope you've seen the threads from people whose photos were lost entirely from flickr? I hope you have another permanent archive somewhere?
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I wonder how long it will take for flickr to attract the clandestine viral video marketing campaigns:
the secret strategies behind many "viral" videos
[powerful commercial interests behind promotional videos] + [companies like Greenberg's] = cynical manipulation of flickr users' video viewing habits.
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Lee Fuller Its like you have a fear of them or something!
I'm not afraid of videos. I'm very afraid of a myspacecification of flickr though. I'm extremely afraid of video attracting the typical youtube clientele leading to flickr getting flooded with "this is the dumbest shit in the wrold" type of comments like the very first one on the the very first featured video right now. not to speak of endless "your retarded fag"(sic), "no your retarded, scum" battles.
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I think the point of most people's fears is that those in charge of the site will try to stretch it into something it's not. It's natural for a business to want to expand and leverage upon a successful product. Sometimes it's not executed well, or it's just a flawed idea from the start.
These days flickr isn't much about photography anymore; it's about photo blogging, getting your wife-porn to show up in explore and other ignoble endeavors like copyright theft.
New development is cool and all ... but make sure your existing product is on track. I'd much rather have the talented folks on the flickr team try to reign in some issues rather than dilute the purpose of my favorite photo site.
Jumpcut is neat. Keep the videos over there.
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There's not much point in telling Flickr you don't want video. If you read the staff comments in this thread, it's clear that video is going to be introduced on Flickr. The only things at question are when and within what parameters.
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Well, as someone who does think Flickr is still about photography, and who uses it to post photos and meet and collaborate with other photographers of all types, I just hope Flickr can find a way to roll out video that doesn't negatively impact the photo side of the site.
I trust you, Flickr Staff, so don't screw me on this one, 'kay? :D
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'Besides, you're not going to beat Youtube. '
this isn't about beating youtube.
youtube is rather unsuited to certain kinds of sharing.
it is primarily oriented around search and subject based browsing.
flickr is oriented around sharing images within a social network, which is rather different.
youtube doesn't work well for sharing videos with friends and family
flickr will work well for sharing video and photos alongside one another with friends and family.
i think if the first thing you think about when you hear the words "flickr" and "video" in the same sentence is "youtube", that you're not using very much imagination.
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I'm using plenty imagination when I think of video on Flickr. Most of it ends in constant horror and "Flickr is having a massage" messages.
I would love it to be different, I hope it's different, but considering that there's likely not going to be a "only artistic, or heartfelt family moments" video subject limitation, the very same people that use YouTube to post crap, use Flickr to post crap. So I can't see my way around that crap getting posted here, except now in motion.
And every time a photo page takes ten seconds to draw on my screen, I'm going to assume, rightly or wrongly, that the new video "feature" is at fault. So if they do this, it's a big customer perception hill they're going to have to climb, to demonstrate that it won't impact the experience we have already.
On the plus side, photo sharers are going to be in a good position to ask for equal treatment. For example, if video gets to exceed a 10meg file size limit, I'd imagine there'd be considerable interest in allowing photos to do so as well.
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 On some level you have to assume that Flickr will be able to overcome any hardware or other infrastructure issues. Because if they can't, then you should be making the argument that Flickr should cap its user base at some point rather than focusing on video as the system slowdown bad guy.
Video might speed up the issue, but it's the same issue regardless - if they can't keep up with increased load, then their planning, and a whole other range of management issues, are in play.
Depending on the scope of how Flickr deals with video. and whether Flickr differentiates between video and photos, there could very well be a good reason to have different relative file size limits for video vs. photos. I see your point but I don't think anything is a given. For example what if video users were required to pay a premium to upload video? Could that justify a larger file size? Maybe. Maybe not.
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You're right, of course. It's all sky is falling till the vids drop. But I personally don't want video here (any more than many photo "purists" didn't/don't want non-photos or art here) so pretty much any resources applied to video, is a negative for me, as those would be resources that photo services/innovations would lose (engineering, budget, etc, as well as storage/bandwidth.) Unless they're planning on or have hired a completely separate and parallel engineering force just for video. Which I doubt.
So yes it's selfish on my part, which I fully admit. I think there's many things that Flickr can do to improve the existing Flickr, and it doesn't seem very encouraging to think that would occur at as good a pace, with resources going to getting video up and running, and running well.
Making video pro only, and cost extra on top of that, would be a great way to start, however.
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i'm excited about video coming soon to flickr! :)
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On some level you have to assume that Flickr will be able to overcome any hardware or other infrastructure issues.
Um, I don't assume it, so I'm not on that level, I guess. Wasn't there a long massage just a few days ago? Are there not posts about problems now? shrug - maybe adding programming for video will go swimmingly. I don't assume it will, though.
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wow.... this is great news for me.... I am jealous of friends who share pics and videos on the same page on picasa in the order they are taken, ( without paying a dime)
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I'm all for video on Flickr, for no other reason than giving me one place to login and share with my friends & family. I love Google (as a company), but You Tube is nowhere near as friendly as Flickr when it comes to the user interface.
Thumbs up for video on Flickr, giving us all a better way to share photographic media with our Flickr Friends & Families.
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 True. It was a mighty massage. And there are problems. And there will continue to be problems. If I didn't think they would work through those problems, I wouldn't be sticking around though.
I'd have to ask, without meaning to be inflammatory - if you don't believe that the site will succeed in overcoming these problems, why are you even bothering to participate?
My worries about Flickr serving video come from concern that it will wreck my user experience in other ways, subtler ways such as changing the UI or otherwise making me deal with a content type which I didn't sign up for in the first place - not that Yahoo won't pony up for the hardware to support it and therefore the increased bandwidth will bring the site down in the long term.
Whether they will get it right the first time is another issue. But I've resigned myself that the powers that be have decided there shall be video, so I might as well hope for the best.
And for the record as I have said in other posts, I am anti-video. I don't need it, don't want it, and think there are a ton of other providers who already do it. I will be shocked if it's implemented in a way that doesn't negatively impact my user experience on some level.
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if you don't believe that the site will succeed in overcoming these problems, why are you even bothering to participate?
You may note that I have a free account and that video has not happened yet. I will also say that there is a difference between not assuming flickr will overcome any obstacles and assuming that it won't.
So I have nothing at risk if I'm filckr goes horribly wrong, and I don't assume I'm right that it will go horribly wrong. I'm not making _that_ assumption either.
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If Flickr had video feature, then they would have to give out more space to free accounts - at least another GB
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No, they wouldn't...
In fact, given the expense involved in setting it up, I'd say it's more likely that video could be a "Pro-only" feature...
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I hope videos never make it here, I don't like the idea at all.
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Fair enough, on all counts.
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I encountered this odd settings box in the photo page today. Maybe the video feature will come any moment.
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Oh yes, I see that too.
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That's weird ... I'm not seeing that ... are you running any greasemonkey scripts?
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oh shit
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The world won't end just because some of the pictures move. I'd be astonished if Flickr copies the MySpace approach to things and had everything play in our faces all the time before we ask, anymore than they added pink background pages.
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Now who will be the first Flickr Lumière? :)
BenJ It disappeared now. When I close my eyes I don't seem to see it anymore. Perhaps it's a bug. ;)
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Mass hallucination. That's the only explanation.
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Now I checked and it's really gone. Shame, it was a nice feature. :)
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@Lu
I like to think as you, but im not convinced that they are not stupid enough to launch it and then see what happens. Like the launch of the new map?
Launch it, and then be suprised by what happens.
Flickr, if this is coming, please would you consider inviting 'a number'of different users to play around with it for a month or so before general release?
Just an idea.
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What the hell is a "Screencast"?
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Ack - I hope this isn't some lame attempt to "backdoor" video capability (yeah, my paranoia flag is set) as an 'undocumented feature' to see if the server architecture is compatible.
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Actually backdoor would be fine with me. In fact if they'd been actually functionally running video on Flickr, secretly with some small subset of test-group, for some period of time, it would go some way to assuage fears of it breaking everything.
Unless that's what broke everything recently.
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[jedi mind trick] there's nothing to see here..... move along! [/jedi mind trick]
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It's gone now. So should we be watching the skies? :)
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Searcher - my money is on the AppleTV integration as to what broke Flickr.
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Eric - I believe Kevin said (in FlickrCentral) that the AppleTV thing didn't have anything to do with the recent massage. But I do wonder about the disappearing flagging options........
edit: In response to your topic, actually. :)
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How hilarious would that have been, during Job's keynote, to have "Flickr is having a massage" come up on the jumbotron.
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Artwerk... wow that's weird stuff... and I was about to tease Searcher for being incomprehensible... thought he'd just had a VERY good Friday night.
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