They (sort of) tried this in the UK in 1994. Some say it killed the rave scene in that country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994

Sections 63–67 in particular defined any gathering of 20 or more people where:
63(1)(b) “music” includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats.

Allegedly, this inspired the techno group Autechre to record the track ‘Flutter’, “in which no two bars have the same beat.”

TIL In 1994, in an attempt to ban raves, the UK passed a law banning public performance of music “wholly or predominantly characterized by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats.� In response, the electronic band Autechre issued a track, Flutter, in which no two bars have the same beat.
byu/exackerly intodayilearned

My honest guess about this new law? Chechnya has no intent of enforcing this seriously. But I suppose doing so would be theoretically possible. Muslims gonna Muslim.

This sounds like an article from The Onion.
How do they enforce this? Give cops a metronome? Anyone who is IT savvy know if it’s possible for AI to detect the BPM of downloaded music?

“This new restriction will forbid vast amounts of pop music as well as dance genres such as techno, ”

Good: kill globohomo culture!

According to the Moscow Times, the Chechen leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, has ordered that all music in the republic must “conform to the Chechen mentality� and neither be too fast or too slow.

Meanwhile, in Mongolia…

In music, it’s often somewhat subjective what subdivision is considered to be the beat. Potentially, sufficiently fast music could wrap around and become legal again. “Sir, I understand you think I’m listening to 170 BPM drum and bass track, but I was actually feeling the half notes at 85 BPM, so really I’ve done nothing wrong.”

He was still in decent shape in 2019.

Speaking of the Religion of Peace, I imagine Paris is hunkered down over that blasphemous portrayal of Muhammad’s Revelations in Thomas Jolly’s opening ceremonies.

I’m kidding of course. Thomas Jolly may be a decadent Jewish homosexual but he’s no fool. No need to have a Charlie Hebdo-sized target on his back. Christians can always be counted on to bend over and take one for the team.

Also bans just about every slow movement of every Classical work ever written.

And is unenforcable.
So we have a typical Government edict: What it attempts to address is trivial, its unentended consequences are significant, and it can’t be meaningfully enforced because of easy technological means around it.

A person can learn from mistakes; Humanity is incapable of doing so, no matter how egregious the mistakes are. I had a friend the other day ask me why there are still Communists in the world, and I couldn’t come up with any better answer than “people are fucktards”.

What prevents Chechen youth from running their tunes through a free online digital audio editing program and speeding up or slowing down nominally conforming music?

Conversely, why can’t the state require iTunes to digitally alter the tempo of any downloaded music, rounding the tempo up or down if it falls outside the legal range?

Canst thou credit that the barons of Moscovy do willfully enter pools of water, whence sickness and vapours and evil spirits do proceed, and claim to be in good bloom? Tis most boot that we Atlanticists have the correct idea, and “bathe” not.
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paranoia paranoia PARANOIA plus Forever Knight plus the Masquerade plus Terminator plus IHNMAIMS (AM) plus everything = “Vampire Versus Cyborg.” Please pay $X for this genius idea.
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Russians must be complete morons for wanting to keep control of such a violent low-IQ s***hole.

Russians must be complete morons for wanting to keep control of such a violent low-IQ s***hole.

At least Chechens are loyal to Russia. And they don’t sell fentanyl or live on welfare like the herds stampeding into the US from violent low-IQ shitholes.

I can think of a reason: “Better to have your enemies inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in�. Thanks to LBJ.

Russians must be complete morons for wanting to keep control of such a violent low-IQ s***hole.

It’s all about territory—that’s an ancient reason.

True, Islam can get weird, but Putin runs a tight ship and Kadyrov is his man. Islam is allowed to have certain restrictions: they live in their own enclave, after all.

What they can’t do is anything that threatens Kadyrov or Putin.

My concept of Chechens derives from the 2014 movie “The Drop.â€� This superb film stars Tom Hardy, Noomi Rapace, and James Gandolfini in his last film. Hardy and Gandolfini are very formidable, as they must manage to successfully navigate the entanglement of their bar with the mafia. Well, the producers needed to cast a group of villains who were even more formidable than the above…not easy. Americanized Chechens – – super-scary bad guys – – to the rescue. Rentable at Amazon Prime.

More content-free filler from Steve.

Chechens are islamic and Islam can be skeptical of music depending on sect.

This is a fairly middle of the road position within Islam. Wahabbism, for instance, takes a harder line.

Nothing to see here. Poor iSteve. Taking cheap shots for laughs at the other because their cultural context differs from his, like some rube from the sticks.

You could have been a contender Steve but you threw it away for snark.

More content free filler from Steve.

Chechens are islamic and Islam can be skeptical of music depending on sect.

This is a fairly middle of the road position within Islam. Wahabbism, for instance, takes a harder line.

Nothing to see here. Poor iSteve. Taking cheap shots for laughs at the other because their cultural context differs from his, like some rube from the sticks.

…genres such as techno, which typically exceed the 120 BPM mark.

And which genres fail to reach 80 BPM? Tuvan throat singing? ASMR lullabies? Whale calls? And why is this objectionable?

Didn’t Bowie predict this?

Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens– Turn the tempo down
Ch-Ch-Chechens– Tell them so slow up or get out of it

According to the Moscow Times, the leader of the Chechen leader…

What?

Russia doesn’t have America’s formidable media-political consent-manufacturing machine available to it to run cover while they remove kebab, so they more or less have to accept their Chechen neighbors and deal with them one way or another. Formerly that way was war. Now that way is Ramzan. The latter is preferable by any ethical standard: Christian, realpolitik, utilitarian, Straussian, Rawlsian, Machiavellian. That Chechnya sits athwart transit paths from the Baku oil fields only sharpens the question.

It’s been over a century since the US has had a hostile neighbor on its border, and a century and half since the US had a hostile neighbor of any strength, so Americans today have amnesia about what to do in such a situation. The choices are: exterminate, control, or absorb. In the 1860s the US chose all three of those, which dubious decision is still lauded as an admirable part of US history. Today, after doing a certain amount of the first, Russia is now more humanely choosing the second and third.

Chechnya has reportedly banned all music outside of the 80 – 116 BPM range

Who could object to this??

I’m a big fan of Chechens and Dagestanis, and not just because I follow MMA and wrestling. They’re the Platonic Form of badass.

And I hope Lt. Gen. Kadyrov remains Chechnya’s leader for another 50 years. إ�نْ شَاءَ ٱللَّٰه�.

According to the Moscow Times

A “news� paper based in Amsterdam and started by a leftist Dutchman who doesn’t speak Russian.

You don’t need AI to detect the BPM of a music file. Software to do that has existed for decades. The goal of AI is to address problems you don’t already know how to solve.

Kadyrov doesn’t want Westerrnized “mind viruses” affecting the behavior and attitudes of Chechen youth. First they like the music and sexy videos of this cooler-new place, and then their minds become opened to the lyrics and subtle propaganda therein.
I seen a little documentary several years ago about how rap music was a popular subculture in a Westernizing Mongolia. I realized then that it’s being used as a cultural weapon.

That dance exceeds 116 bph–far exceeds by the end.

But I’m with Kadyrov here. Just kick shit like techno out and let your kids dance to something decent that builds a little romance. Though I’m guessing that’s not really the point here.

Separate genres!

I’m kidding of course. Thomas Jolly may be a decadent Jewish homosexual but he’s no fool. No need to have a Charlie Hebdo-sized target on his back. Christians can always be counted on to bend over and take one for the team.

I don’t really care about this Olympics stuff, much less the ceremonies.

But why the heck do you hire–let–a Jewish fag have anything to do with it? That’s a double barreled load of pompous, obnoxious, unpleasant, anti-Christian, anti-normie hate. Who is so weak and empty that they think a human turd like this is a good pick?

Can’t beat that for thinking outside the box!

Speaking of beats, if you’re going to cover Ramzan Kadyrov’s you’d be remiss to overlook his involvement with the Zionist entity…
https://www.timesofisrael.com/chechen-president-to-dedicate-abu-ghosh-mosque/

Looks like a poor quality fake.

Actually, the choices are exterminate, control, absorb or succumb. Right now Russia is on the “control� phase because Russifying the Chechens is off the table.

But at some point, when you’ve got a component as quirky as Islam, the “control� option will disappear, especially when the client-state is allowed to run amok on its own fanatical (Islamic) millenarian terms (as Kadyrov is allowed to do with Chechnya). The question then becomes whether absorption (Russification) is possible, but my guess is not, given that the appeasing blood pumped into the tumor only inflates it as time goes by.

If not, the question hinges on whether national morale, infrastructure and demographics are strong enough to resist succumbing, even if it means… well, you get the idea. Though not immediately obvious, this is a longer-term strategic consideration on which Putin’s campaign in Ukraine may turn out to be a serious tactical error (in terms of cost/return on morale, infrastructure and demographics).

The Moscow Times exists to be quoted by western media. It has no Russian audience at all. Essentially a CIA/MI6 stooge. There is no shortage of Russian media critical of the state, indeed 95% of negative stories you read in your dailies have been taken without attribution from Russia media. But when you read the source is The Moscow Times it might as well be Radio Free Europe.

Great film.

Well, Russia was faced with Ramzan or an endless war…….

“Russians must be complete morons for wanting to keep control of such a violent low-IQ s***hole.”

At this very moment a largeish undeclared Great Game is going on between the US and Russia, with the US trying to seduce as many of the post-Soviet countries and former Soviet allies as possible. Armenia is almost gone to the US, Georgian leaders seem to have decided Ukraine II is not for them, Moldova is currently disputed.

All kinds of dodgy dealings in Dagestan and similar places. Those Special Forces Hercules aren’t flying to Tblisi and Almaty for the food.

Yesterday a lot of Wagner troops were ambushed and killed in Northern Mali by “Tuareg rebels”.

If Russia left the Chechens alone there’d soon be “advisors” along to “help” them. Better Chechnya inside the tent urinating out than outside the tent urinating in.

Speaking of Chechen beats…

Neither Putin nor Kadyrov are running for US president. The fact that Kadyrov has banned most classical music along with demon rock-‘n’-roll means that he’s the hick you’d expect him to be. I’d also assume the musically gifted will emigrate to Russia if they haven’t already. The fact still remains that Trump or Harris will be elected president 100 days from now. Maybe RFK, Jr will make a decent showing for a 3rd party candidate but likely doesn’t have a chance. Or maybe it will be INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE WINS BY A LANDSLIDE but probably not. Do you intend to distract us from our inability to select good leadership for the next 4 to 8 years? Is enduring the failure by making light of it the best option? Should you or I lead a small group to emigrate to a more sane and stable country?

Seriously though, I’ve been thinking about why we end up with candidates many people just don’t want: Kamala’s DIE whitey leftism vs Trump’s flirting with dictatorship. Would election reform wrt funding and eligibility for the ballot fix the problem? Would getting rid of primaries yield a better crop of candidates? I get the sense big money donors are choosing the candidates for us though I could be wrong that this is the essence of the problem. Another approach might be allowing say
up to ten candidates and doing runoffs until someone wins. The next four years are going to be miserable for me whoever wins. I know I deserve better leadership because I pay at least a little attention to what goes on in our government. Is there some kind of insurance policy that will buffer citizens against bad government? This just isn’t fair.

Gross Barbara Butch is also Jewish.

Not being an anti-Semite, I am just noticing the pattern.

Bunch of vaxxed sissies venturing out of their closets. Who’d be scared of that bunch of pussies?

It doesn’t matter what Ramzan Kadyrov is up to lately. We know every piece of news coming out of Russia and Chechnya will be interpreted by Western “experts” as indicating the situation is no longer tenable meaning the inevitable collapse of the Putin regime coming quite soon. I’m sure Kadyrov’s specifying the beat of music was accompanied by Western interpretations that he and Putin are losing their grip on power and are now desperately lashing out.
If Ramzan performs a traditional Caucasian farting dance, the experts will totally agree that “the situation is now indicative of a total collapse in the level of trust in Putin actually keeping his power, the fear has now been lost”.
Literally, any news out of Russia for the past twenty years means an angry mob lynching Putin and then signing over Russian resources to Western corporations. Funny how an independent media and professional expertise works in real life.
Western political expertise resembles Roman auguries examining the entrails of chickens and then foretelling the future according to who paid them the most.

Larry Johnson looked at The Last Supper abomination :

Do you want further proof of the perversion on display? Here’s the photo of one of the Last Supper actors with his right testicle exposed standing next to a child

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Not even Peine forte et dure is sufficient for these filth,

According to this site, 119, so it just gets under the barrier.

https://keybpmfinder.com/

(Agree that the Haka and steroids/HGH combination is just too threatening)

Would the “Auslander Reis� song be banned?

Who is so weak and empty that they think a human turd like this is a good pick?

The leaders of France who hate the French? Or, maybe, some anti-semite who believes in showing rather than telling?

I must correct myself here. For 30 good and great things Jews do- there always, always..appears some fucking Jewish creep to spoil everything.

Not caring about conversion, for all Brochs, Landsteiners, Feynmans, Szilards, von Neumanns, Grossmans, Ehrlichs, Wilders, Svevos, Assagiolis, Noethers, …. inevitably pop out freaks like Shulamit Firestone, Lerner Spectre, this Jolly, and a bunch of other sick bastards.

In France, demonstrative irreligousness is “normie”. Don’t be a minoritarian. 😉

You are misinformed. Derk Sauer does speak Russian. He worked in Moscow for 30 years, how could you possible imagine he could do this without speaking their language?

Quick, the cops are here, put your fingers on the record!

Yeah, speaking Russian would help if your business model intention is to publish something called the “Moscow Times” but if your intention is to publish propaganda written by the CIA and supposedly mirroring Russian public opinion that can be picked up by the Western media, not having actual knowledge of the local lingo is just a minor thing.

“Thomas Jolly may be a decadent Jewish homosexual but he’s no fool.”

What’s the evidence that he’s Jewish? Foucault wasn’t Jewish. Mapplethorpe wasn’t Jewish.

Jew-baiters gonna Jew-bait.

OT:

Two French lefties (Melenchon and Bertrand) showing some understanding and goodwill towards Christians insulted by the opening ceremonies:

Mélenchon on the Olympics opening ceremony, which really goes to show that the criticisms of it aren't "far-right" as many are arguing, they're just common sense:

"I didn't appreciate the mockery of the Christian Last Supper, the final meal of Christ and his disciples, which is… https://t.co/HSUoCjBIql

— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) July 27, 2024

So I guess this traditional song is out?

At this very moment a largeish undeclared Great Game is going on between the US and Russia, with the US trying to seduce as many of the post-Soviet countries and former Soviet allies as possible.

Did any of those former Soviet countries ever want to join the USSR? Answer: No. There is no conspiracy to seduce them. Most of those countries want closer ties so they can maintain their independence from the dwarf tsar or whatever Russia comes up with next.

Sometimes the asshole neighbor is just an asshole and that doesn’t have anything to do with the guy up the street.

Before the revolution the Russians viewed their conquered neighbors as “Little Russians” even if they wanted nothing to do with them. They viewed parts of Poland as belonging to them even though the Kingdom of Poland existed before Russia. After the revolution it was all Soviet territory and of course there was never a vote on if these countries wanted to join the great failed experiment.

If Russia left the Chechens alone there’d soon be “advisors� along to “help� them. Better Chechnya inside the tent urinating out than outside the tent urinating in.

Russia: Chechnya wants independence so we need to invade them.

Russia: DPR/LPR wants independence so we need to back them.

Putin is just another Tsar that is full of shit and can’t even keep a consistent narrative for his pathetic defenders. He decreed DPR/LPR to be independent nations and has since taken them as vanilla territory. They don’t even get semi-autonomous status like Chechnya.

Funny how an independent media and professional expertise works in real life.

It is indeed funny as it shows how most people are hopelessly tribal and want a singular view that matches their ideals.

The pro-Putin bloggers and clickbait whores like Ritter have been telling their faithful that Russia has won. Both Macgregor and Ritter have declared Ukraine to be near collapse since day one.

Putin still hasn’t taken Kharkov which is 30 miles from the Russian border. They’re currently experimenting with motorcycle squads in an effort to evade the Ukrainian drones. They’re also using African mercenaries. Does this sound like a war that is going as planned?

The only media to trust is none of them.

Unz is an interesting experiment that shows how even most of alt-right doesn’t want a variety of sources. Most of the Putin defenders here just want a new CNN but with Ritter and Larry softballing each other. Most people are clearly wired for tribal brain and can’t break out of it.

What prevents Chechen youth from… speeding up or slowing down nominally conforming music?

Pain of prosecution.

Conversely, why can’t the state require iTunes to digitally alter the tempo of any downloaded music, rounding the tempo up or down if it falls outside the legal range?

I’m sure it can, but spoofing software is so prevalent it would be trivial to defeat this; and they are back to spies and enforcement.

The same could easily be said for gentiles, yet no one considers acts of gentiles they dislike to ruin the acts of gentiles they like…well except for the people we currently call woke. They think that way, but I thought we were all against that

Speaking of which…

Jerry Miller, influential Moby Grape guitarist who Eric Clapton called the “best guitar player in the world�, has died aged 81

He was born in 1943 and given the middle name Adolph. No news there. At the time it was almost the law that the first son was to be named Junior.

…who doesn’t speak Russian.

Or English, apparently.

“They viewed parts of Poland as belonging to them even though the Kingdom of Poland existed before Russia.”

In the history of Poland, it has indeed appropriated parts of Russia. Poland-Lithuania was a large asshole neighbor that was eventually whittled down to a much smaller less threatening Poland that now pretends it has only a history of being conquered, never of being an aggressor state. The Russian Federation might have offered Poland back some of its former territory that is currently part of Ukraine if Poland weren’t so intent on using NATO membership as a cudgel. Or is it that Poland is making itself into NATOs cudgel?

Maybe RFK, Jr will make a decent showing for a 3rd party candidate but likely doesn’t have a chance.

His problem is he’s a Perot, not a Wallace. If he could only concentrate is support in a few states, he’d have a lot more influence. He wouldn’t even have to lead in those states, just threaten to throw them to the other guy. That would wake people up.

Nader did it, with a lot less support than Kennedy has.

Kadyrov is correct. There are simply too many notes in some of those songs.

There is nothing particularly Chechen in it. It is the same as all Sufi dances, and all religious intoxication dances around the world. For instance, exactly the same dance that sparked the Wounded Knee battle..

Oh hi John, to answer your comment this time I kind of disagree with your opinion even though as always I respect it.

I feel that we do want a variety sources but unfortunately there is a lot of fake news out there. For instance, if you remember as a way of helping you out, way back I nicely pointed out that you had a tendency to automatically and naively use obvious created propaganda and I kindly pointed out why exactly your sources were obviously created propaganda and not really news.

As I remember, you appreciated that and was grateful I pointed out the flaws in the propaganda that were not evident on initial perusal and we both come out of it as better persons since no-one is perfect and we all need a kindly word and a helpful hand in navigating the information superhighway.

As hard as it is for some to believe, informational-evaluation really has nothing to do with a wired tribal brain or wanting to have softball answers or a new CNN or whatever. It has to do with being a tad skeptical and using your God-given noggin to evaluate because, let’s face it not trusting anything is just plain out and out absolutely retarded.

Paranoid schizophrenics don’t trust anything but intelligent people evaluate so unfortunately your advice, as helpful as it is, not to trust anything in the media is just a non-starter just for mental-health reasons alone.

You see in real life, events happen, something is always being done somewhere at sometime but bad people put their own spin on it and it really is a useful skill to see what is being spinned and who is spinning and why it is being spunned. I’m sure you agree like last time we chatted.

To help everyone to be better at information-evaluation, care to share with everybody why I felt your sources were created propaganda?

To help you out, as you remember there were four specific times I disagreed with your sources and gave specific reasons why. I know you remember since finding a person in this cruel and confusing time that actually goes out of his way to help out another person evaluate information by giving specific reasons is very unique but hey that’s the way I am, no need to thank me.

Now we two have a tendency to go back and forth because we enjoy chatting with each other-how’s your summer going? Yesterday, I went to the zoo, saw Chacoan peccaries, if you have time I’ll tell what is really interesting about those.

Anyways, this time to spare everyone confusion and time just stick to answering my question and please list the four instances and why I felt that they obviously were created propaganda and not info.

Ha haha I know right can you imagine living in a third world diversity-hole where the powerful attempt to overwrite reality that would be crazy ha ha ha

“Unz is an interesting experiment that shows how even most of alt-right doesn’t want a variety of sources. Most of the Putin defenders here just want a new CNN but with Ritter and Larry softballing each other. Most people are clearly wired for tribal brain and can’t break out of it.”

On the contrary, you and Jack D don’t want a variety of sources. I’ve had to do lots of reading to gain a better perspective on the Russian Federation in general. I can’t tell if journalists don’t know any of the history of Russia or if they deliberately spout propaganda. The news about Russia is with one voice: NATOs. Journalists aren’t doing their job anymore. This is most obvious with coverage of Russia but certainly not limited to that topic. I’ve had a whole education about Russia and foreign policy since this started and could expand it a bit more. I actually avoid the outright pro-Russian propagandists like Ritter. He is brilliant but isn’t informing when he writes about Russia. Most others simply have a foreign policy preference that views Russia in friendly terms if not as an outright ally. People like MacGregor and Mearsheimer view NATO as having expanded into Russia’s backyard eliciting a response not unlike ours during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It is you who refuses to be anything like fair or objective. I, like most who sympathize with Russia, start from the premise that Russia is a friendly country. It is realistic that Russia like Israel or any number of cordial countries will occasionally do things we don’t like. This is no reason to end the friendship or to continue Cold War era Containment. The US has a long history of relating to smaller countries by making offers they can’t refuse. It is the way things are done no matter how much this gets glossed over with propaganda. The Ukrainian people have not benefited in any way by having NATOs red line drawn in their country. Russia wasn’t trying to incorporate Ukraine; the terms for coexisting were clearly laid out in the Minsk agreements. Zelensky and his friends have gotten fantastically rich at the expense of Ukraine and its people. Those postponed elections would have been the end of Zelensky’s political career as well as his cash flow. Russia is acting logically to defend itself against NATO encroachment. Putin spent years trying to build a good relationship with NATO and was rewarded with renewed attempts at containment. NATO has no intention of peaceful coexistence; it intends to break up the Russian Federation no doubt to be followed with offers smaller entities like Chechnya can’t refuse. Your obfuscation only hides the truth from people who aren’t the least bit concerned with learning anything for themselves.

You are obviously military. What I want you to understand is that the US as hegemon is of not benefit to the average American. Putin isn’t trying to takeover Eastern Europe. He likely doesn’t even have the necessary manpower for such an endeavor. Likewise, China dominating Asia reduced our influence there but doesn’t damage the US. We are supposed to be a country with a military mainly used to defend our homeland not a military with a country. If I ever get the word out that all this hullabaloo is about a US empire rather than a free world, things will change rather
quickly. The citizens of this country are being forced to embrace NATO political values that, among other things, exert tight secular control over religion; they’re also being marginalized on behalf of a potentially endless supply of immigrants; these immigrants are treated like the victims of those they are displacing and replacing so are given preferential treatment in all matters. The US and NATO currently need to strengthen its relationship with India so the UK and Ireland have had Indian prime ministers while the US has VP Kamala Harris now running for president; that Ramaswampy and Haley were both in the Republican primary debates while no Hispanic candidates we’re there to represent an emerging majority ethnicity is very telling.

You keep insisting that those of us who take Russia’s side in the proxy war being fought in the Ukraine are naive. The truth is we know that NATO expansion with the continuation of Cold War containment and the new effort to contain China are inextricably linked to unconstitutional policies and mass immigration that harms American citizens. We are the ones being shoved aside so the US and NATO can try to rule the world. The narrative is that evil dictators will sprout like mushrooms if we don’t play world police; the truth is that foreign governments have to earn the consent of the governed in order to survive. It’s just that people from other cultures tend to value economic efficacy over free speech and are generally more conformist than Westerners. Their governments will be more authoritarian just like their cultures. Odd seeing France display the weakest argument imaginable for free speech with a gay Jew setting up an irreverent reenactment of the Last Supper. No one outside the Western world will be convinced that our civilization is superior by this mockery of what us sacred to Christians. Even many Westerners are losing faith in their own governments because the leadership exhibits such poor judgment. It’s one thing to allow freedom of thought, quite another to condone public displays of sacrilege and debauchery. The NATO values being forced on the US are decadent European values, not American. We are a dying civilization that views religion as more of a threat than decadence. We need to liberate ourselves from leaders who are dragging us to ruin not try to police the world.

Steve is throwing a beanball at Russia, because that is his job, but this calls up some entertainment:

Techno is ubiquitous in the parts of Europe I have been in. My brother-in-law plays it constantly in his BMW while driving my wife and me — very rapidly — across Hungary.

I made him and my wife laugh on our way to Budapest when I mentioned my favorite Romanian pop star, Alexandra Stan. I told him to search for my favorite Romanian pop song, “Lolipop.” I don’t know how many BPM it is, but we watched this at 190KPH:

Mongolian Idiots.

Russia has probably a dozen “ethnic” republics (Tuva, Kalmykia, Yakutia, Buryat, Dagestan, Udmurtia and so forth), with territory of several million square miles, if they give in on Chechnya, they are risking these will try to go as well. It makes sense a harsh line on Chechnya’s independence (Russia was willing to fight two bloody wars to prevent it)

Isn’t it exciting that we live in a time when seemingly all new technologies are put to use in the genocidal schemes of turd-like elites?

At least Chechens are loyal to Russia. And they don’t sell fentanyl or live on welfare like the herds stampeding into the US from violent low-IQ shitholes.

And you know this how?

Historically the violence prone Turkic Chechens have hated Russia and Russians. Russians were Christian (in theory, usually) while most Chechens are Muslims.

Russians today and particularly in law enforcement regard Chechens as criminals, smugglers and hooligans. They are the Usual Suspects in Moscow and other cities. Some truth to those acusations since Chechens are a distinct language family very clan/family oriented society.

Ideal for small sized crime organizations. Few Russians speak Chechen.

As to welfare, Chechens are very poor but Russians aren’t going to subsidize Asian hillbillys unless they are performing as informers or hired mercenaries (as in Ukraine War).

Many poor Chechens have “migrated” to other Russian places and large cities, leaving shithole Chechnya.

Putin and prior pals leveled most of urban Chechnya during that 1990s-2000 era of Chechnya’s rebellion from the Russian “federation.”

You might take a moment to learn something about Chechnya and it’s recent history, not to mention its long past history of hating on Russia.

Tolstoy’s famous novel on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Hadji-Murad-Leo-Tolstoy/dp/1602060134

I agree with except with your viewpoint that John is military-I think he is just an idiot. If he is NATO or US military than there is no hope for the NATO or US military.

“Odd seeing France display the weakest argument imaginable for free speech with a gay Jew setting up an irreverent reenactment of the Last Supper. “

Ok, so somewhere in all that drivel is a point to be made? Let’s see — France mocks the Last Supper, ergo, it’s OK for Putin to shred agreements his country signed and invade Ukraine. Because really, he’s one of us.

Or something. That’s the best you can do?

It’s like saying that I don’t like being replaced by the likes of Kamala Harris, so I’m gonna go to Walmart, punch out an employee, and swipe me a flat-screen. And anyone who gets in my way is just a tool to the powers that be.

except Tolstoy’s novel was a 150 years ago-things have a tendency to change.

Funny, I don’t follow Jew-haters much – I said all I had to say to them from Mount Sinai last month and that’s about it

but though I know almost nothing about Foucault, (if you’re
correct) it seems that the Joo-obsessives so overtook some corners of the culture wars so completely that I never doubted that he was some kind of asshole who was born Jewish.

This without ever having looked into either Foucault or searched any “who is a jew” list either.

So if you’re right, that’s interesting, Joo-obsessives are apparently able to shape popular opinions, even mine.

Being a bit of a snob I blame the Jews.

Were I a gentile who knew few Jews but saw their names predominating various fields while being told that curiosity about the subject was verboten, I too would take to wondering what they were hiding.

Anyhow, unless he turns out to have actually been a glorious and wise man, there’s no need to educate me further regarding Foucault. I appear who have gotten this far in life posessed of misinformation about the single fact I thought I knew about the fella so I figure I can live out the rest of my years without a great deal of additional elucidation.

Russia is a gigantic-assed country with lots of social and racial variation. I assume cohesion is achieved through rule by networks using an autocrat with strong and apparently sincere ties to Orthodox Christianity. Within the Russian networks are financialists/corporatists who merge with global capital. Unlike the Western financial networks the Russians tend to be hostile to the Sabbatean faggotry that was on display in Gay Puree. Putin and his peeps view the Fallen West as a half-dead corpse (no relation) harbouring virulent political and social contagion. What with the leaking viruses and the fat DC neocons who want to constantly attack it, Russia’s gots to have eyes in the back of its head.

The issue isn’t taking a poke at Christ, who after all can handle it.
The issue is, why didn’t they take a poke at —

Chechens have the capacity to harm Russians.
Like, duh. Hense Kadyrov.

“Historically the violence prone Turkic Chechens”

The Chechens aren’t Turkic. You could at least have perused the Wikipedia page about them before you got on your soapbox.

“It’s like saying that I don’t like being replaced by the likes of Kamala Harris, so I’m gonna go to Walmart, punch out an employee, and swipe me a flat-screen. And anyone who gets in my way is just a tool to the powers that be.”

Ukraine and Merkel shredded the Minsk Accords. Don’t you remember? You obviously can’t hold too many things in mind at one time. Putin doesn’t loot Walmart. Unfortunately some of our US minorities do loot thinking of it as a form of reparations. There are probably some Jamaicans doing this but mostly it’s an American black behavior which has nothing to do with Russia. Your neurons not firing today or something? It’s like you don’t read English so well today. What’s your first language?

Obviously Americans issues with foreign policy cannibalizing domestic resources is of no concern to you. Mind your business, please.

If Russia left the Chechens alone there’d soon be “advisors� along to “help� them. Better Chechnya inside the tent urinating out than outside the tent urinating in.

How you see this depends almost entirely on whether you are nationalist or an imperialist.

I’m a nationalist, so if I was Russian I would very much prefer to see Chechen “pissing” going on in the streets of Boston than in apartments, schools, theatres and subways of my country.

I’d very much not want to see Chechen butts in the air on the streets of Moscow. And most critically, more and more Chechen butts every year as Chechnya is one of the few Russian republics with solidly above replacement fertility while Russian fertility is well below and has slumped back down again with Putin’s adventuring. Chechens are a very different people, and I’d want them out of my tent.

But Putin is a Russian imperialist all butt-hurt about the decline of the Russian Empire from its 1945-1989 peak–decline in status from one of two “superpowers” to just a “great power”. So he sees all those Chechens and thinks “Great! More cannon fodder.”

Maybe RFK, Jr will make a decent showing for a 3rd party candidate

Like Perot and not Nader.

https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/26/rfk-jr-taking-more-votes-from-donald-trump-over-kamala-harris/

The Russian Federation might have offered Poland back some of its former territory that is currently part of Ukraine if Poland weren’t so intent on using NATO membership as a cudgel.

A cudgel or a defensive action? What would have stopped Russia from invading Poland if it wasn’t in NATO?

Has Russia been fair to Poland in the past?

The USSR failed at taking Poland in 1920 but then later succeeded by splitting the country with Hitler. Stalin marched Poles off to the gulag. Did the Poles want to be part of their failed experiment?

Then the USSR forcefully occupied Poland while lying about it having independence.

You’re saying it was a mistake for Poland to join NATO? Russia would have treated them nicely even though Putin is on record stating that the USSR should not have fallen? Which means Putin would have Poland occupied if given the chance. Isn’t that right? That also means he thinks that Moscow should rule over Ukraine and the Baltics.

The Russians seem to think it is their right to occupy every Slavic nation. That characteristic was observed by the British well before NATO existed. Stop trying to make excuses for another Tsar that wants to invade his neighbors because he has massive insecurities. If Putin wasn’t born 5’1 then this war wouldn’t exist. We all know that isn’t his only insecurity. Anyone who needs a 1.3 billion dollar mansion has major compensation issues.

North Korea will remain the funkiest country in the “Axis of Evil”.

Although, perhaps the Chinese will Get Lucky:

Unz is an interesting experiment that shows how even most of alt-right doesn’t want a variety of sources. Most of the Putin defenders here just want a new CNN but with Ritter and Larry softballing each other. Most people are clearly wired for tribal brain and can’t break out of it.

On the contrary, you and Jack D don’t want a variety of sources.

That’s not true at all. I wouldn’t censor anyone and I routinely watch videos from the pro-Putin bloggers.

I’ve been calling out their BULLSHIT from day one and I’ll keep doing it.

“The war is over” Macgregor and Ritter in the first two weeks of the war and every 3-6 months since.

My presence obviously bothers you and you amusingly don’t see the irony in criticizing Jack D and I as if we are some troublesome duo.

The fact that we are often the minority and yet it still bothers you to where you write a wall of text speaks volumes. Why can’t you just respond when you disagree and provide a source? Do dissenting views bother you that much?

I don’t support censoring anyone and yet in both Ukraine and anti-vaxx threads I have had posters suggest I be banned on account of (fill in excuse due to lacking a counter-argument).

In the anti-vaxx threads there were even posters that didn’t want Unz posting. They were outraged that he wasn’t an anti-vaxxer and some even suggested starting a new website.

Journalists aren’t doing their job anymore.

I’ve said that many times but that doesn’t mean you should turn off your brain and become a zombie when reading alternative sources.

You are obviously military.

Well in the anti-vaxx threads I was told that I was obviously a paid pharm plant. I’ve also been told that I’m a Hasbara agent. Well some of you have to be wrong, correct? It’s actually the normal position out of Unz to support Ukraine and be vaccinated. I can even provide global polls on that.

Russia wasn’t trying to incorporate Ukraine; the terms for coexisting were clearly laid out in the Minsk agreements.

What was Russia doing in the outskirts of Kiev? You are telling me they weren’t planning on taking the entire country? Why were they trying to take an airport near the city? Was the bounty on Zelensky a fabrication?

What I want you to understand is that the US as hegemon is of not benefit to the average American. Putin isn’t trying to takeover Eastern Europe.

I never said he was trying to take all of Eastern Europe. Of course he won’t try to take NATO countries. Do most Ukrainians want to ruled by Putin? Why don’t you answer that simple question for us.

I’ve not a fan of the US ruling powers but I don’t see why I should support the subjugation of the Ukrainian people to a totalitarian state where journalists get 5 years for questioning the government. Why don’t you explain how this war changes what you don’t like about America. Putin takes down some Ukrainian flags and replaces them with Russian flags while creating graveyards of Orthodox men. How does that change our status quo?

“Putin isn’t trying to take over Eastern Europe.”

It is necessary, though, to act as if he is. Then, following that, it is necessary to act like he will then invade Western Europe and Alaska.

This resurrection of the Vietnam era domino theory is being done to try to justify continuing spending 900 billion dollars a year on our bloated military. In constant dollar terms, this is twice what we were spending under Eisenhower. Eisenhower avoided becoming involved in Vietnam and warned upon leaving office that the military-industrial complex would always be trying to manufacture foreign threats in order to keep military spending up.

Elon Musk just posted on X that the federal government is headed towards bankruptcy, pointing to the trillion dollars we are spending just on interest on the growing federal debt this year. Like all the other overextended empires of the past, we will be entering a future era of contraction.

The Haka thing isn’t intimidating so much as annoying. Perhaps a single individual with a group of Maori warriors would feel fear. They would eat you, after all.

But as a member of a well-armed company, I must confess I would enjoy decimating those jackasses. No poignancy for a noble savage foe either, just ruthless extermination of dipshits. That tat’s are also a sign of degeneracy. Several volleys followed by a bayonet charge singing Men of Harlech.

Shades of Pat Buchannan. Google autocomplete is censoring the Trump assassination.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/google-censoring-searches-about-trump-assassination-attempt/

I tried it and had same result (Bing and Google).

Russian republics with solidly above replacement fertility while Russian fertility is well below and has slumped back down again with Putin’s adventuring.

That’s correct and he only started cracking down on abortion after he started conscripting. For the previous 20 years he was fine with Moscow being the abortion capital of Europe. His fanboys hate talking about their abortion rate from previous years. Of course we don’t know the current actual abortion rate as any stat from Russia at the moment is obviously suspect. We do know however that they have had negative population growth since 1991 and you are correct that Chechnya is the outlier. That also means their Slavic abortion rate is much higher because they will average in the Muslims who don’t use abortion.

Their high abortion rate is not from Western influence but is actually inherited from the USSR. The USSR not only promoted atheism (the soul doesn’t exist) but that abortion is just as fine as any form of birth control. Russia still has Europe’s largest atheist population and it is of course disproportionately Slavic.

But Putin is a Russian imperialist all butt-hurt about the decline of the Russian Empire from its 1945-1989 peak–decline in status from one of two “superpowers� to just a “great power�. So he sees all those Chechens and thinks “Great! More cannon fodder.�

He is completely butt hurt and even said that the USSR should not have fallen. He has also said that Communism doesn’t work. So he just wants the totalitarian aspect of the USSR but without all the proletarian bullshit. Basically he wants the evil empire and he was hoping to rebuild most of it with Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova. It was already leaked that they plan on taking Belarus by slowly undermining their autonomy. A true dwarf of the ages. A little pyscho that has supporters here out of spite for the West and not because they want what is best for the Russian or Ukrainian people.

It was all a misunderstanding. It’s supposed to be a Bacchanalian scene. You know, the thing everybody around the world thinks about when they see a panoramic view tableau with 13 people at a long table with one person in the middle. So sorry, our apologies. Wink, wink.

Kevin Costner in his cowboy get up looks on stoically and say “Why that’s Dionysius. I don’t know why you MAGA boys are feelin’ so threatened.”

“What’s the evidence that he’s Jewish?”

Olympic officials fix mistake after wrong anthem for South Sudan

This happens a lot. I vaguely recall an incident at the 1992 or 1994 Olympics regarding some newly independent country, but that may just have been a delay until they found the sheet music. It didn’t make this list:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrong_anthems_incidents

Some were understandable goofs, such as Nigeria/Niger, Slovakia/Slovenia, China/Chile. One year, Kazakhstan suffered hearing the theme from Borat as well as “Livin’ La Vida Loca”. That should have been played at this game– South Sudan defeated Puerto Rico.

Yes, Puerto Rico has her own Olympic team. (Too bad the District of Columbia doesn’t.) We should all support los borinqueños and the continued existence of their Olympic squad. And remind our fellow Americans of this at every opportunity.

How’s Chechnya doing at the Paris Games?

John do you actually believe Putin’s mansion cost 1.3 billion or is it just another piece of propaganda that intelligence agencies pull out of their ass to persuade naive, unthinking people like you to die in wars?

Think about it and get back to us about it using the term “holy f… sorry guys I got manipulated again. Thank you notbe mk 2 for pointing out another absurdity that cannot actually exist in real life when you really think about it using reason and logical analysis instead of just gonads and mere pure faith in the trustworthiness of my overlords. Thanks notbe mk2 for helping me think clearly, you are now five for five, how do you do it?”

Poland gave as good as it got. They have nothing to complain about, unless you think Poland or Lithuania extends to the Black Sea. A good many proto-Ukrainians didn’t care for Polish rule, either. Bogdan, sorry Bohdan, Khmelnytsky wasn’t out there fighting by himself.

Georgia basically begged the Russians to come down and protect them from the Qajars. Chechens were mountain raiders. Raiders got got. They gave as good as they got, no point in complaining.

The only people who have a real right to complain are the hunter-gatherer peoples of Siberia or the Tajik mountain people of the Himalayas. Everybody else in the old Russian empire to some degree or another played the game of warring and raiding and lost out.

Indeed, some of them had a better deal under the Russians than before. Central Asians only rebelled when Russians started drafting them to fight in WW1.

“It is necessary, though, to act as if he is. Then, following that, it is necessary to act like he will then invade Western Europe and Alaska.”

Yeah, that’s weird how Putin gets to promote generals who claim Ukraine is just a stepping stone, how Putin has children’s choirs singing songs of praise to him about how they’ll take back Alaska, but it’s those OUTSIDE of Russia who are putting on the act and demanding that the rest play along. That Nuland must be some 4d chessmaster wizard if she can pull even Putin’s puppet strings and get him to act in her little play.

And the fanboys are telling us how Russia was grumbling for years about how it would get really angry if NATO were to “take over” Ukraine, but we were too stupid to heed the warning signs. But now, they’re like “What warning signs? I don’t see any warning signs — it’s all an act!”

No one is claiming Russians will be gunning for any part of Western Europe any time soon (well, except perhaps maybe a slice of Germany, like the one they de facto controlled previously though that, too, is farther down the road), but even allowing Russia to take over what the West cruelly and unfairly took away in Eastern Europe (because, according to Moscow and its fanboys, anything that Moscow controls must remain in their backyard forever or else it’s the meanies in NATO who are to blame!) would bring us back to the bad old days of the Cold War when we were getting into bed with all sorts of nasty regimes just to make sure the Communists didn’t take over. You people want to claim Zelensky is a dictator for not holding elections when close to a quarter of his country is under occupation, and a good chunk of the rest is getting shelled, but your memories are short — that’s not nearly as bad as what’ll likely happen once Putin gets to control what he wants to control. The first thing that’ll be sacrificed is that very mult-polarity that Putin claims to be in favor of, given that countries who ought to have a say in how they run their own affairs (e.g. Ukraine) will just be trampled into oblivion.

Even if what he’s trying to resurrect is not the USSR 2.0, exactly, and even if Alaska is dead last on his wish list, he still needs to be contained BEFORE he’s in any position to that.

Again, a dictator doesn’t have to be on the level of Hitler to be a really bad guy who needs to be pushed back, but I get it — you’re only opposed to fascism when you want to take a dig at Twinkie or something.

Actually on an international stage there is no excuse for confusing Nigeria/Niger, Slovakia/Slovenia, China/Chile-absolutely no excuse for that. Kazakhstan hearing the theme from Borat or Vida Loca should never have happened. There is such a thing as being a Protocol Officer and they get big bucks for being Protocol Officers. If a Protocol Officer confuses Slovenia and Slovakia that is pure absolute incompetence.

Supposedly Biden searches also being scrubbed. I tried “Biden resig” and got nothing. It may just be some election “Mommy knows best” stuff, not per se targeting conservatives.

But it’s still bizarre to censor the results at all. And it is prone to being manipulated. We all remember Pat Buchannan.

except mocking the Last Supper with transvestites is totally filthy and blasphemous and lots of other really, really bad things-it was kind of understood that people kind of go to Hell for this. Leaving Putin aside, that this happen shows a very serious degeneracy in the Western body politic and it genuinely cannot be left alone. Again forget about Putin but truly a society that actually does that in front of the whole world really cannot be trusted in almost anything since anything it does now is seen to have a hidden Luciferian agenda. No-one cannot defend that by saying sure we kind of made a decadent spectacle but Putin is not a nice guy so these two cancel each other out. What happened in Paris is really beyond the pale.

Curious what type of music you listen to, NR.

South Sudan defeated Puerto Rico.

I’m glad. Rooting for the underdog is always satisfying, so it’s good to see very poor South Sudan defeat wealthy Puerto Rico (Puerto Rico is “poor” only in comparison to the rest of the US).

I generally have a great deal of time for ADs views, on domestic policy he’s top notch.

AD, you know that US elites lie to you all the time about race, about sexuality, about family formation, about immigration, about industrial policy – i.e. about stuff you know about and can see in front of your eyes.

Then the minute the subject is one where you have to take someone else’s word – like Russia – you drink in the narrative of those same elites as if it’s gospel. Sad!

But I think perhaps AD is capable of seeing the light*. JJ, on the other hand, is a creature of darkness.

* doesn’t mean to say I’d like to live in Russia, Ukraine or Chechnya – I’m a Brit and they’re my people.

Oh my God! Belarus will lose its autonomy!…and Moldova is next! Moldova! Moldova! John, I admit I thought you were quite the fool but now I understand now where you are coming from (but seriously I had really good reasons for thinking that considering your real estate valuation skills among others). I now know, however, that your argument that Belarus will lead to Moldova shows your strategic acumen and here I thought you just needed a girlfriend.

All our efforts now have to be centered on that Moldova has to retain its autonomy. Where do I sign my tax dollars to pay off Moldovan politicians so they have a spine? I mean if Putin controls Moldova he controls the world supply of…whatever Moldova supplies…which is (I have to look it up but I’m sure it’s extremely important).

I sure I speak for a lot of people who feel the West now has to print more money which we don’t really have to ensure Moldova is Moldova, united and inseparable because like well…because.

I, however, have a minor tactical quibble-we have to prioritize something so what do think? Should we pour more money which we don’t have into Moldova or Quemoy and Matsu? Remember those two beacons of democracy were really important in the Kennedy-Nixon debates and then they were forgotten because really nobody gives f…. except Unz trolls and they moved onto crying over Belarus and Moldova.

Moldova or Quemoy and Matsu, choices, choices who said geopolitics was ever easy!

“The Russians seem to think it is their right to occupy every Slavic nation. That characteristic was observed by the British well before NATO existed. Stop trying to make excuses for another Tsar that wants to invade his neighbors because he has massive insecurities. If Putin wasn’t born 5’1 then this war wouldn’t exist.”

This is all very one-sided and an exercise in audacity to mention the Brits as supposedly being the diametric opposites of Russian imperialists; the Brits nearly invented imperialism and I’m the citizen of a country that was once one of its colonies. In fact, I’m not certain the Brits don’t strive to effectively dominate US policy in the here and now. From my observations, the Russian Federation is a looser Federation than the EU or the US with its famed States Rights. Putin works hard to maintain strong ties with the regions further east. If I’m not mistaken this would be the outer empire. Makes sense that more remote regions with more homogeneous ethnic populations might need some attention so they don’t feel alienated, doesn’t it. As far as the Baltic states are concerned, I’m sure Russia would like cooperative relationships more than political opposition but this may take the form of a Belarus or even Turkey not incorporated into Russia. Less headache when neutrality and trade relations are what really matters. It’s ridiculous to caricature Putin as a compulsive imperialist grabbing up as much territory as he can. Does Russia really need more land? No and that’s not the objective. The low likelihood of military conflict with neighbors as well as trade partnerships is what Russia seeks. It’s all the rage. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS (and adding more) and becoming independent of the U S dollar are Russia’s and China’s central objectives. The full development of the Eastern hemisphere is underway. This hackneyed conceptualization of Putin as the imperialist little dictator is a dead end.

BTW, about that height fixation of yours. I’m the shortest member of the short side of my family. The other side of the family has a bunch of tall skinny females who hardly even notice that I’m shorter than your lowest estimate of Putin’s height. This is truly a worn out ad hominem. I’m certainly tired of it. It’s obvious Putin has a strong personality which generally means no one pays much attention his height. But, honestly, he’s going to conquer a country because he’s mad about being under tall, really? Better short than a dork like John Johnson.

no talent whore/slut-I now see why Kadyrov would ban something like this, anyone who didn’t like his decree can start lining up to apologize to him.

According to Al Jazeera Russia & Belarus are persona non grata at this year’s Olympics.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/26/which-countries-have-been-banned-from-participating-in-the-olympics

songs of praise to him about how they’ll take back Alaska

And not Hawaii? Kauai not?

Schäffer affair

Even in Hawaii, Russia is Taboo: The Fate of Fort Elizabeth

And as long as you’re linking to MEMRI, they quote a Lebanese politician thus:

“[Trump] has a racist and out-of-control infrastructure of whites, and they will wreak havoc like the settlers in the West Bank. You will see the same thing in American states, where the pro-Trump Republicans are in power.”
America Is On The Verge Of Civil War; Both Sides Will Not Accept An Electoral Loss, They Are Gathering Weapons And Will Take To The Streets

A tad histrionic, even by Unz standards. Trump voters are West Bank settlers? That’s the colored mind for you. His brother Ghaleb says

…the invasion into North America was a settlement campaign. People who were fleeing justice in Europe – thieves, highway robbers, bank robbers, and criminals – were the first immigrants, who founded the United States.

Lebanese Journalist Ghaleb Kandil: U.S. Founded by Criminals Fleeing from Justice

Georgians were criminals, yes, but they weren’t “fleeing justice”. Their transportation here was the justice. As for the other colonies…

I had to look up the Kandil/Qandil brothers– Maronite? Melkite? Mohammedan? Druze? According to Arabic-language Wikipedia, Nasser was “one of the founders of the Permanent Conference of Lebanese Seculars, headed by Bishop Grégoire Haddad in 1986.” Their name indeed means “candle”.

Would you also consider anyone who holds the office of POTUS an imperialist if he fails to break up the USA into ethnostates?

Putin inherited the Russian Federation as it was. He’s working with what he’s got. The new territories in former Ukraine are historically and currently ethnic Russian, so he’s not breaking your golden rule there.

I see no problem with this ban or with other bans on degenerate culture. Why should anyone other than its promoters? No core political speech or intellectual content is implicated. Move on.

I watched that awful show. It’s not his testicle. He had a rip in his stockings. You coukd see it clearly while he was dancing. Incidentally, that particular freak was the least freaky of them all. He wasn’t obese and danced classical ballet instead of “free-style.”

“Two French lefties (Melenchon and Bertrand) showing some understanding and goodwill towards Christians…”

The blue man who is front and center in that alleged Last Supper tableau (I take it he is supposed to be the main course?) is Philippe Katerine, the paramour of Julie Depardieu, the daughter of noted fanboy Gerard Depardieu (though even he thought that invasion of Ukraine was too much, so he may not qualify as a fanboy anymore — maybe one of Nuland’s perfidious double agents?) and he apparently subsequently spurned his Russian citizenship in favor of official papers of the United Arab Emirates. I guess you just can’t those Westerners to stay loyal!

Debauchery, Russia, fanboys — whew, these conspiracies were so much more fun to unravel when Jews were involved.

“In music, it’s often somewhat subjective what subdivision is considered to be the beat.”

RUSH made the case 42 years ago.

American culture I’m told is a cesspool, compliments of Jews and Negroes, and that the GOP presidential nominee, who has the fierce backing of Christians, would like nothing more than to culturally turn back the American clock to the early 1950’s. Isn’t Chechnya’s policy in line with the ideological position of church going, conservative Americans? Why are you seemingly mocking this heroic effort to curb Western cultural influence?

What’s Ramzan Kadyrov Up to Lately?

A better question :

What is RonUnz Cudder-off up to lately?

This:

is similar, but much more beautiful. And not at all threatening, unlike a few hundred Chechens dancing in trance.

The colourful former fanboy Gerard Depardieu:

On 3 January 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed an Executive Order granting Russian citizenship to Depardieu.

In his first interview thereafter, Depardieu attacked Putin’s critics for “lacking vision”. In his autobiography, Depardieu said Putin “immediately liked my hooligan side.”

… In the summer of 2015, Depardieu’s films were banned from television and cinemas in Ukraine due to his remarks questioning Ukraine’s right to exist as an independent state.

In February 2022, Depardieu revealed that he had become a citizen of the United Arab Emirates, although he did not specify when this occurred.

In March 2022, he condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine and accused Russian President Putin of “crazy, unacceptable excesses”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gérard_Depardieu

OT:

The low IQ JQ-obsessive right is a big pain in the neck (and in large measure a Fed astroturf project) https://t.co/fsNOiAvp8e

— Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry (@pegobry_en) July 28, 2024

https://twitter.com/hunkydory99/status/1817609351571599676

He was talking about something that happened in Paris. You know, in France. Not in Ukraine.

We don’t all share your obsession, a**hole. Not everything is about your country.

Isn’t Chechnya’s policy in line with the ideological position of church going, conservative Americans?

Not at all.

Conservative Americans do not support forced daily prayers with an obnoxious loudspeaker, strange bathroom rules, bans on pork, alcohol, dogs, being clean shaven and most European art.

The side of Ramdan Kadyrov Steve is not so crazy about… Neocon kryptonite.

Bathroom rules?

“Conservative Americans do not support forced daily prayers”

Not openly.

“with an obnoxious loudspeaker”

Talk to the State Superintendent of Education in Oklahoma.

“strange bathroom rules”

You mean like non-gender restrooms?

“bans on pork, alcohol, dogs, being clean shaven”

Christians have their own prohibitions.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible#Food_and_drink

“and most European art”.

Citations, please.

Do you see this flag much?

I’ve never seen that flag. But I don’t get out much.

Foucault and Mapplethorpe weren’t jewish? Damn, that changes everything.

Have mercy on local vexilollogists and specify.

Steve, Joe looks pretty healthy…

https://worldstar.com/videos/wshh0dIIQTuKQ29R54m3/conspiracy-theorists-are-saying-joe-biden-is-65-now-that-stunt-doubles-have-been-used-all-throughout-bidens-run

I don’t see why I should support the subjugation of the Ukrainian people to a totalitarian state

Here’s a suggestion – why don’t you support the American people? Your opinions about Russia and Ukraine should be determined by what is best for Americans in West Virginia and Kansas. Russia is not a threat to the security or prosperity of West Virginia. There is zero chance Russian troops will be marching into Topeka. Americans have no security risks on the line in Ukraine.
It’s an outrage that our government is spending huge sums of our tax money in Ukraine and involving us in war risks we don’t need to be taking. Americans should not be supporting the liberation of Ukraine from totalitarian Russia or the defense of Russia from aggressive NATO or whatever you want to call it or whatever side you are on. We don’t belong there at all.
We already have a serious threat to our security and prosperity in this country; it is coming from our treasonous leaders. Open borders, DEI, and the loss of our constitutional liberties are the threat. Every word you write about Ukraine, every dollar we spend there, is a stupid diversion from where our attention should be.
I don’t care if baddie Putin defeats goodie Zelensky, or if goodie Zelensky defeats baddie Putin. Same for the Middle East. I don’t care whether the winner is the nasty Israelis or the nasty Palestinians.
US out of NATO. US out of the Middle East. Put our troops to work deporting illegals. The war that matters is here, not over there.

It’s the flag of your franco-colombiens neighbors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Columbian

Every province and territory has its own version, except Quebec. They don’t need one. The best are those of NWT and Nunavut. There are fewer than 600 Francophones in the latter, but they have their own flag!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_flags#Francophone_peoples

https://flagmartcanada.com/collections/francophone-flags-of-canada

I’m willing to bet there isn’t an Anglophone flag for Quebec, though Redditors and others are working on it, and Montreal’s flag features a St George’s Cross.

No flag for English-speakers, but Russia has a flag for Ingush-speakers, neighbors and relatives of the Chechens. It has a kind of circling-the-drain vibe to it:

https://wudumate.com/articles/what-are-the-steps-of-wudu-and-why-is-it-performed

Chechens are not Turkic. They are simply Caucasus natives who converted to Islam centuries ago. Not that different from Georgians and Abkhazians who remained Christian.

I’m willing to bet there isn’t an Anglophone flag for Quebec

Anglo-American liberalism cannot make sense of a situation in which its not top dog. Understand that and so many things become clear.

Some people – quite a lot actually – have no sense of humour.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/28/eurosport-drop-olympics-commentator-bob-ballard-for-sexist-remark-about-swimmers

When the winning Aussie 4x100m swim team were late appearing after their win:

“Well, the women just finishing up. You know what women are like … hanging around, doing their makeup.�

Ballard’s co-commentator Lizzie Simmonds called the remark “outrageous�.

A statement from the broadcaster said: “During a segment of Eurosport’s coverage last night, commentator Bob Ballard made an inappropriate comment. To that end, he has been removed from our commentary roster with immediate effect.�

Paper of Record:

Ballard is no stranger to Olympic water sports.

A veteran of more than four decades in media, Ballard has covered swimming, diving, and water polo during his broadcasting career.

‘When will these people ever learn?’ asked Loughborough University’s Professor Pragya Agarwal on X. ‘Why aren’t they being given some training?’

Ms Agarwal is “Visiting Professor of Social Inequities and Injustice” at Loughborough University, which is very sports-centred.

https://www.lboro.ac.uk/schools/social-sciences-humanities/team/pragya-agarwal/

Americans are good people, during WWII a Japanese Kamikaze hit the USS Missouri and his body landed on deck. Though an unpopular decision, the Captain demanded a proper burial for the Japanese soldier. He explained to his crew that: after death, he is no longer your enemy, and the crew hand stitched a Japanese flag.

The trouble is that an awful lot of people who migrate to the West bring the squabbles and hatreds of their homelands with them.

Hence the anti-Russian hatred of some former Soviet Jews or Canadian Banderites, or the anti-Indian hatred of some Canadian Sikhs.

In Bradford, in the 1990 riots (ostensibly against the BNP), Muslims settled scores by burning out Hindu-owned shops.

The point, troll, is that everyone’s assuming the guy is Jewish and no one’s providing any evidence. Burden’s on you to prove that he’s Jewish.

But why prove things when you can assume them. Oh right, because of the old saying about how it makes you an a**.

Seeing as all you low-IQ, antisemitic Unz-trolls are saying it, I’m going to assume it’s false until proven otherwise.

The goal of AI is to find a problem to solve.

Right, the “Moscow Times” is based out of Amsterdam.

First time I’ve seen a commenter Disagree with himself. Or herself, zirself, whatever.

Republics, not ethnic, should be in scare quotes. These have their own flags. The cities and oblasts have better ones:

Can you top a defecating mammoth?

He also posts some poll showing he’d beat Trump 57%-43% in a two-way race. There’s not gonna be a two-way race, unless someone dies at the last minute. (That happened in 1912 with the incumbent Vice President.)

That the Biden Administration (it’s still the Biden Administration) has been stingy with Secret Service protection suggests they don’t believe him. Were Kennedy draining Trump’s support, he’d be safer than the Pope.

Interesting about those flags. However the fact that I was unaware they existed suggests they’re pretty obscure.

In general flags are far less of a deal in Canada than the US. You very rarely see a private home flying a Canadian flag and the provincial flags are obscure in general.

There is a Turkic ethnicity in Chechnya:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumyks

One guy became a champion in Chinese UFC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Salikhov

He was billed by Chinese promoters as “Putin’s bodyguard” although that may just be hot air

At least Chechens are loyal to Russia.

You really don’t understand the Muslim concept of “loyalty”. In Muslim lands, loyalty is always for sale. Kadyrov’s father lead a war AGAINST the Russians and then the Russians made a deal with the family – switch sides and we will let you run this shithole as our vassals. The Russians used the carrot (see above) and the stick (bombing the shit out of them) in order to win the war. If the Kadyrovs switched sides once, it is completely possible for them to switch sides AGAIN overnight if someone offers them a better deal or if Kadyrov calculated that the ruling Russian gang was no longer capable/willing to bomb the shit out of them again.

You also don’t understand shit about the sociological situation in Russia. Muslims like Chechens are the Russian equivalent of Latinos in America. OTOH, they do a lot of the “jobs that Russians don’t want to do” but OTOH they also form the bulk of criminal gangs.

In short, you could not be more wrong. Stick to ranting about stuff that you actually know about because you clearly don’t know shit about Russia and are just doing a “grass is always greener on the other side” analysis. This used to be the province of the American Left who were always talking about how there was no unemployment in Russia or that health care was free or whatever (back when Russia was “Communist”). If you look at the world thru ideologically colored glasses then the other side is going to look like a paradise.

“Every word you write about Ukraine, every dollar we spend there, is a stupid diversion from where our attention should be. I don’t care if baddie Putin defeats goodie Zelensky,”

Save it, fanboy. You’re evidently too dishonest to admit it, but your pretense at nonchalance convinces no one who’s paying attention. In fact, you desperately want Putin to win so you can pwn the libs or the neo-cons or the drag queens, or simply because you’re sick of the West and would happily let it burn. Sellout, or fellow traveler, or merely a useful idiot. Or else, an outright traitor (or in your case, a “rebel” enthusiast). Same difference.

How do I know you’re just minor variations of those? Because time and again, you and your ilk hijack thread after thread to alert us of the goings on in Russia, and what a wonderful fellow Putin is, and how swell this war is going for him. Do I know or care about pro-Putin blogger Simplicius? Of course not — why should I? Why should anyone? And yet, time and again, I am alerted to his latest offering on Substack and his analyses of Putin’s genius and how Ukraine is merely weeks away from collapsing (as we’ve been told every couple of weeks for about two and a half years now). And that’s just one example of how fanboys intrude their OT obsessions on matters related to Russia. There are countless others. They wouldn’t do all that feverish Russia-boosting if they simply didn’t care who won over there, and they certainly wouldn’t only be complaining about the ones who push back against the relentless propaganda.

So try and be a little more convincing next time. Or else, push back against those who derail threads in Russia’s direction in the first place, and then you won’t have to put up with the likes of those like me who question the lies being spewed.

“First time I’ve seen a commenter Disagree with himself.”

Yeah, last night I ridiculed a commentator on the “Grapes of Wrath” thread who slapped an Agree on his own comment, and that was my chance to do him one better.

Kumyks arrived during the early Middle Ages in the area. Chechens were there since the neolithic.

Because time and again, you and your ilk hijack thread after thread to alert us of the goings on in Russia,

I almost never post on Russia and when I do it’s only to say “none of our business”. The only other time I’ve responded to you concerned the hysterical tone of your rhetoric. On that thread you admitted you are a woman, which explains your drama queen emotional style.

Oh my God! Belarus will lose its autonomy!…and Moldova is next! Moldova! Moldova! John, I admit I thought you were quite the fool but now I understand now where you are coming from

So I’m a fool for supporting countries whose majorities don’t want to be under a totalitarian empire? That’s amusing coming from the guy who thinks frontline telegram videos from Russian soldiers must all be propaganda because the 2.5 week special operation is going so well. There was recently a video of Putin trying to use a motorcycle attack squadron to take a small village which suggests that shortages are real. But the videos of Russians complaining about shortages……those must be fake. Boy will you be embarrassed when this war is over as it will come out that Putin was not playing 5d chess with motorcycles and T-54s.

Unlike you and the left I support the ability of free men to question their governments.

I sure I speak for a lot of people who feel the West now has to print more money which we don’t really have to ensure Moldova is Moldova, united and inseparable because like well…because.

We don’t have to print money. We could stop funding Israel and the profits from increased LNG exports to Europe would cover military aid to countries like Ukraine and Moldova that do not want to be ruled by a totalitarian dwarf.

Funny how all these conservatives that complain about funding Ukraine have NOTHING to say about military aid to a middle class country that already has a modern military. Israel did not ask for military aid and yet our “fiscal conservatives” lined right up to fund them will billions. Speaker Johnson in fact would not hold a vote on Ukraine aid but was willing to send 9 billion to Israel. In fact that was the only aid he was willing to allow for 8 months.

Conservative Americans do not support forced daily prayers

Not openly.

There is not a single conservative that advocates daily prayers forced by the government that must be followed at work.

Just stop already.

You mean like non-gender restrooms?

That doesn’t make any sense. Conservatives aren’t pushing non-gender restrooms. That would be the left.

bans on pork, alcohol, dogs, being clean shaven

Christians have their own prohibitions.

You’re citing the Old Testament which has laws for Jews that Christians are not required to follow. I take it you did not grow up as Christian and this all seems the same to you? The piece you are missing here is the New Covenant.

and most European art

Citations, please.

Citations? You think I am making up a Muslim rule? Why didn’t you just Google it?

They can’t draw living things which means most European art is Haram. Their interest in geometric art is related to this rule.

Here you go:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) stated that whose who make images – by drawing or engraving – will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and these prohibited images are images of animate beings , such as humans, animals and birds, based on the fact that in the Hadith it says that they will be told: “Bring to life that which you have created.�

I thought the clip was cute, dunno why Old Prude hit me with the troll tag. Was the DJ’s outfit too revealing??

“There is not a single conservative that advocates daily prayers forced by the government that must be followed at work. Just stop already.”

You moved the goalposts. You originally stated “Conservative Americans do not support forced daily prayers”.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservatives-will-use-the-fight-over-prayer-in-schools-to-attack-diversity

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/supreme-court-religion-schools-prayer-kennedy-carson/661365/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ryan-walters-oklahoma-schools-superintendent-tulsa-rcna101235

https://pres-outlook.org/2024/07/bills-to-enhance-religion-in-schools-spur-fights-between-faiths/

“You’re citing the Old Testament which has laws for Jews that Christians are not required to follow.”

In light of Jesus’ teaching, he considered the entire Old Testament to be the inerrant, written Word of God. Jesus said he came to fulfill the entire Jewish Old Testament (Matt. 5:17), which he referred to as “the Law and the Prophetsâ€� (Matt. 5:17; Luke 24:26–27).

“You think I am making up a Muslim rule? Why didn’t you just Google it?”

It’s very complex.

https://aboutislamver2.aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/artistic-things-forbidden-islam/

–Thus, the above-mentioned arts are generally permissible unless they cause an evil similar to one of the evils mentioned in the narrations/scripts above. Given all the above, we learn that Islam is not against any kind of arts in principle, as long as it does not violate its fixed and well-known moral stands.–

First time I’ve seen a commenter Disagree with himself.

https://www.unz.com/isteve/theyre-not-making-aryan-charles-lindberg-types-the-way-they-used-to/#comment-6271905 (#9)

No man is free until every man is forced to subsidize a satanic, sodomite spectacle.

The police have given the Southport stabber‘s age as 17. Does this mean they will not be giving us his name? The kid wore a hood, so we won’t have descriptions from witnesses. We may never know who he is– unless he turns out to be a Farage supporter. Then we’ll never hear the end of it.

This was a yoga class for prepubescent girls, with a Swiftian theme. (Taylor, not Jonathan.) Who would be offended by that? Okay, some of us might, but not to a homicidal degree.

Ry�ji Uehara was a flight captain of the Imperial Japanese Army and was killed in action as a kamikaze pilot.

He wrote something most Japanese are familiar with. Perhaps you have also read it?

It sounds better at 118 Miles Per Hour (190 Kilometers Per Hour) in a BMW on a European highway.

It is apity that translation of the video speech cannot be done automatically. One of the best videos, unlike ramblings of Mearsheimer & comp., was the interview of a Croatian nuclear physicist some two weeks ago.

He patiently enumerated all treasons of the West (Budapest etc.), but also added:

* Russian side has so far threatened with the use of nukes 35 times, while the West- zero

* there is a zero possibility of Russia’s use of tactical nuclear weapons due o the complexity & incompetence on the Russian side

* if pushed to the wall, Ukraine will use dirty radioactive Cesium bombs via drones, which will make the whole of European Russia uninhabitable in the next 300 years. So, if you want to sell us- we’ll destroy the Russia (and probably the planet)- but you asked for it. We have the means & we’ll not hesitate if you want to sell us into slavery.

* Russia’s daily loss is about 900 men, which is close to 1000 in WW1, which led to the revolution. Ukrainian losses are three times smaller- Russia doesn’t use the rotation of troops. When they send you to war, you are there until dead or heavily wounded.

As regards the Crimea- it’s almost over (Google tran):

Putin is on the verge of losing his ‘Holy Land’: Will NATO now dare to cross the ‘red line’?

If Crimea is cut off and its army, as well as the remaining civilians, are starved, what effect will that have on the entire war? Losing Sevastopol is one thing, but can Putin politically and strategically handle the loss of Crimea, his “holy land”?

Last week, the last remaining warship – a Project 1135-class patrol frigate – quietly set sail from the port of Sevastopol, which has been the main base of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet since 2014. Ukrainian Navy spokesman Dmytro Pletenchuk suggested that “we should remember this day.”

Tom Sharpe, a military commentator for the British Telegraph, suggests that this is a sign that Russian President Vladimir Putin may soon leave Crimea. – I have already warned against too much hope in naval successes in this conflict, but what, in a broader sense, does this shameful withdrawal mean? Operationally speaking, the loss of the port is significant, although it was long expected. But is the scale of this disgrace enough to have a strategic effect? – he states. This is the latest, Sharpe adds, in a long list of humiliations the Black Sea Fleet has suffered since the 2022 invasion.

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In October of that year, British Minister of Defense James Heappey declared that the Black Sea Fleet was “functionally defeated.” “I thought it was a premature sculpture for two reasons. First, at that point Russian attempts to restrict grain exports through the Bosphorus were still successful. Second, Russia still had operational ships and submarines armed with Kalibr missiles, which can reach the entire Black Sea,” Sharke writes further for the Telegraph.

By December, after a series of attacks and due to the lack of Russian surveillance aircraft, the waters between Odesa and Snake Island became safe enough for merchant ships. Cargo ships could safely sail between Ukrainian ports and the territorial waters of Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey, where the Russians did not dare to intervene. By March of this year, attacks by unmanned surface vessels (USV) significantly weakened the Russian fleet, and a third of the Black Sea Fleet was destroyed. Because of this, the British Ministry of Defense declared the fleet “functionally inactive”.

In May, aerial and surface drones attacked the port of Novorossiysk, the Tuapse refinery and a nearby oil terminal, again demonstrating the weakness of Russia’s defense systems. A few days later, American ATACMS missiles hit the port in Sevastopol, sinking the minesweeper Kurovets and damaging the Karakurt-class corvette. Two attempted attacks on the Kerch road and railway bridge, one with a truck full of explosives and one with unmanned vessels, caused damage, but were not decisive. The bridge is important both tactically and symbolically, so a new attempt to attack it is expected. It is not yet clear whether America has delivered ATACMS missiles with warheads that could effectively destroy the bridge.

Agreed. John Johnson is most likely a non white, non American troll.

the trouble with you, you believe every artificial created propaganda meant to get the US into wars -I listed them-there were 5 and I gave 5 good reasons why you shouldn’t believe them
Care to give us the list of what you believed and why you shouldn’t believe them?

I guess you don’t know what French people look like.

The best writer on the Ukraine situation is Simplicius.

These are authentically deranged & morally corrupt individuals. I don’t think they’re even paid.

“Like all the other overextended empires of the past, we will be entering a future era of contraction.”
As Herb Stein said: “Something too good to last, won’t.”
But this collapse has been predicted for the last half century.
And…

Actually on an international stage there is no excuse for confusing Nigeria/Niger, Slovakia/Slovenia, China/Chile-absolutely no excuse for that.

Some intern copied the facing page in the anthology by mistake.

Playing “God Save the Queen” for the US wouldn’t even be much of an error, as the tune is also an anthem for us, albeit “unofficial”. Both that and the “official” one set American words to a British tune.

That they play the top Google hit for “Hong Kong’s anthem” rather than the CCP dirge is downright delicious.

The Ghost Dance was threatening. I read semi-fictional Black Elk’s memoir & as he describes it, it is exactly the same as the Chechen dance (plus the delusion about invulnerability to bullets). During the dance Black Elk passed out and “saw” his deceased parents in a spiritual world.

Some 20 years ago I participated twice in such dances (some of my friends were Sufis), but without result. Some guys attained spiritual ecstasy, but me- nothing. I guess I am too rational …

Listen, one thing is clear here: Steve Sealer has moved his professional emphasis over to Substack.

Good for him.

I donated many hundred dollar bills and friendly cards and letters to him, happily, when I thought he was a legitimate part of UNZ.com That was all good.

Now, why waste our time here, where he lingers and humors his remaining readers, for some reason?

To oversimplify, he lost many of us because of three subjects:

1) Covid

2) Ukraine

3) Gaza

For a man who takes for himself the mantle of “Noticing,” he surely has failed to Notice in those three cases!

Thus, some of us have had enough. Some of us now even suspect him! Yes, we are indeed suspicious, because either Steve Sailer is too stupid to Notice, or he is disingenuous.

Which is it, Steve?!

(Frankly, I don’t expect an answer.) Go well, you pathetic SOB.

Prove me wrong.

Again: Prove me wrong!

Chechnya is on the way from Moscow to the Caucus oil fields. No way are they going to give it up.

Would you want America to cede Texas as its population becomes less white?

that’s why a real professional has to check every intern’s work (but in the real world no-one does).

Has Steve ever written about Ukraine? I’m pretty sure not. Gaza? If he has, very little.

I wasn’t following him during Covid. What did he do wrong?

Russia is not a threat to the security or prosperity of West Virginia.

This is not a fact but a conclusion that you have made with which many people disagree. You are putting the cart before the horse by taking “Russia is no threat to us” as the starting point of your argument.

I don’t care if baddie Putin defeats goodie Zelensky, or if goodie Zelensky defeats baddie Putin.

Methinks you doth protest too much. If you really didn’t care you wouldn’t spend all that time defending Putin.

Anyway, the idea that in the age of ICBMs what happens in Europe is none of our business is laughable. The ship sailed on isolationism a century ago and it is never returning to port.

Would you say that the struggle between Russia and Ukraine is a “quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing”? Some idiot tried that line once and history proved that he could not have been more wrong.

https://encyc.org/wiki/Chamberlain’s_Radio_Broadcast,_September_27,_1938

Maybe back then such ignorance could be forgiven but now, after all that we have seen?

AD, you know that US elites lie to you all the time about race, about sexuality, about family formation, about immigration, about industrial policy – i.e. about stuff you know about and can see in front of your eyes.

Then the minute the subject is one where you have to take someone else’s word – like Russia – you drink in the narrative of those same elites as if it’s gospel. Sad!

You’re right, I’m way more knowledgeable–and care way, way, way more about–the situation in the US that I can see with my own eyes.

But the “word” I’m taking on Putin is …. Putin’s!–his words and his actions. This is a guy who blabbers on about Bessarabia and how the breakup of the Soviet Union was a tragedy. There’s only one way a serious person can interpret all that. It’s that Putin is a guy who thinks that the Russian Empire was a good thing and Russia just ought–by some sort of historical cultural wonderfulness–to be dominant culturally and politically across a vast stretch of territory full of people who are not Russian and do not want to be dominated.

And not just words, Putin fought a war–and leveled Grozny to keep Chechnya *in* Russia–an action which has not just zero, but tangible negative benefit to the actual Russian people. It would be like the US leveling San Juan during some Puerto Rican uprising for independence. Which might excite deep state imperialist types, but would have ordinary Americans going “Huh? This is stupid!” And Puerto Ricans even as mixed as they are are actually less trouble and threat (TFR 1.0) than the Chechens (2.7) are to Russia.

No Putin’s ideology should have died a well deserved death after 1914–when the Russians and Austrians dragged the rest of Europe into the Great War. The whole history of the 20th century is one of imperially induced slaughter–rising Germany and Japan chafing at the existing imperial world order of the British and French and to a lesser extent Dutch and American empires and looking to build grand ones of their own. Then further conflicts as some empires–particularly the French–refused to let go. And the Russian Empire–reinvigorated by victory in the War–dominating and oppressing Eastern Europe and the Americans and Russians fighting proxy wars all over.

No, I don’t need any guidance from our own deep state goons on Putin. I’ve got no use for Putin, or his imperialism–straight up. I don’t swoon over the guy because he’s better on queers/globohomo than our goons. Nor because he’s in conflict with our deep state goons. And when a bunch of commenters here babble about “used to be Russian” or “historically part of Russia” (i.e. the Russian Empire) that only reinforces my point. It’s a better world if the Hungarians, Czechs, Poles, Romanians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, Georgians, Armenians, Azeris … and yes even the Ukrainians and Chechens are not bossed around by Russians. (And the Russians had a leader focused on stopping the muslim immivasion and affordable family formation for Russians.) The one thing everyone sentient ought to be able to agree on after the last century is the right of various peoples to have their own nations and *not* be bossed around by other peoples.

Heck, I wish we normie Americans could get that–out from under the bossy parasitic immivasion loving goons–here in the USA.

I thought he was a legitimate part of UNZ.com

What part of Unz.com is legitimate? Most of the other commentators are raving lunatic antisemites. Not just their readers but the commentators themselves. Steve was like a voice of sanity amid the fruitcakes and the only reason he ended up here is that at the height of the DIE McCarthyite mania he was deplatformed from all “legitimate” sources.

At least Chechens are loyal to Russia.

LOL. You’ve got to be joking.

The Chechens are loyal only to their fellow Chechens. Right now their leader has a deal with the Russian boss so they nominally on “team Russia”. But that is just tactical and if not advantageous in the future, it would change on a dime. They have zero loyalty to Russia, but are loyal to their own people–as it should be. For that I give them fair credit.

And, of course, I in no way shape or form want any of them around me.

If you really didn’t care you wouldn’t spend all that time defending Putin.

I haven’t defended Putin. My complaint with the anti-Putin crowd is that you don’t recognize that arguments to stay out of the conflict because it isn’t in American interests are not the same as being a Putin sycophant.

Anyway, the idea that in the age of ICBMs what happens in Europe is none of our business is laughable. The ship sailed on isolationism a century ago and it is never returning to port.

This is exactly what we should be debating, not whether Putin has a billion-dollar mansion with pole dancers. World hegemony is not good for us. Stepping back from that is not isolationism. Germany and France and England can worry about Russia. Germany and France and England can give Ukraine weapons if they want. Russian and Chinese ICBMs doesn’t mean we have to destabilize or fight Russia or China in endless border wars. We have our own nukes to dissuade them. Every decision to stay out of a war isn’t 1939 all over again. Washington was right – stay out of entangling foreign alliances.

I generally agree with you that Putin is bad news but the question of which “nationalities” deserve their own nation state is not as simple as it seems. Nationality/ethnicity is very much a modern and artificial construct and not one laid down by the gods. There were many area of Europe that were quite multiethnic, even completely putting aside the Jews. You had areas where there would a Hungarian village and then the next village over was a Romanian speaking village and then a German speaking village, etc. Many of the “languages” were not event thought of as such. The languages themselves existed on a continuum so you could not say where Serbian ended and Macedonian or Bulgarian began. The Wilsonian idea of “self determination” and the artificial border drawing exercises created more problems than it solved. Having a border every few dozen miles is not good for the economy. If you make the political division too small, you have trouble attracting top quality talent and the government ends up in the hands of local hacks. The idea that “well these people are corrupt hacks but at least they are Montenegran hacks” doesn’t really work. It’s not unlike the idea of an optimal size for a corporation. You want it to be big enough to have economies of scale but not so big that it is ungovernable.

That being said, Ukraine is a place with enough of its own identity that they have made it clear that they don’t want to be governed by Russia. Are there some areas that might have voted to join Russia in a free and fair referendum? Probably, but that’s not how borders should be set. Probably there are (0r were, before they were overwhelmed demographically by French speakers) part of the Eastern Townships in Quebec where a majority might prefer to join the US rather than put up with the language police of Quebec but no one asks them or should ask them. The border was set and it’s done and not subject to a new election every year like you are electing a new city councilman. Invasion is a particular illegitimate way to change borders.

There is not a single conservative that advocates daily prayers forced by the government that must be followed at work. Just stop already.

You moved the goalposts. You originally stated “Conservative Americans do not support forced daily prayers�.

I was referring to Muslim daily prayers.

Muslims have to pray 5 times a day and in Muslim countries they blast it over a loudspeaker. There is no American conservative equivalent.

I don’t support prayers in public schools and polls show that most American agree. It’s a couple Bible belt states that keep trying to circumvent the constitution. In any case that would not be the equivalent to everyone at work having to stick their ass in the air when a loudspeaker goes off.

You’re grasping at straws.

It’s very complex.

https://aboutislamver2.aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/artistic-things-forbidden-islam/

Thus, the above-mentioned arts are generally permissible unless they cause an evil similar to one of the evils mentioned in the narrations/scripts above.

So you learned about their rule on drawing living things TODAY and you are trying to correct me on it?

You cited a blog but he doesn’t deny they are banned and tries to give some middle ground response.

Here it is from IslamQA:

One is drawing pictures of animate beings . It says in the Sunnah that this is forbidden.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/39806/ruling-on-drawing-animate-beings

Most European art contains a living being. Thus most European art is Haram.

It’s quite clear and shows that this religion is not compatible with Western society.

You are clearly some White guy in the burbs that hasn’t been around Muslims and is unaware that they take this rule seriously. Dogs indoors and art containing living things are offensive to them. Muhammed in fact said very clearly that image makers go to hell:
https://islamweb.net/en/fatwa/84617/explanation-of-hadith-about-pictures

Here is a Muslim home decorating guide and have a look at the first rule:
The first rule that every Muslim considers when decorating a Muslim home is not to include any figurative objects in the design plan. This means, no art with human or animal shapes as well as no free-standing statues or animal figures in furniture or accessories.
https://mustansarjavaid.medium.com/islamic-perspective-of-home-decoration-things-dos-donts-b4d15143aedf

The Mona Lisa is Haram. So is practically all Roman art and Muslim raiders in fact destroyed most of the Persian art when they violently turned it into Iran.

Maybe actually read about this 7th century religion before trying to lecture someone else on it.

No, AD is right here.

It is wrong to apply the Herderian principle of language= people as a dogma & stay at that. Simply put, great French medievalist Jacques le Goff was right: a people is a community of destiny that has become a community of character. Give or take, we all know who are European nations & that all of them deserve their own nation-states. And that parts of nations will remain in other nations’ states, which is not a big deal considering the progress of civilizational norms in the Eurosphere.

Wilson was right & the time of empires is gone. The nation state is the best possible framework for the development of a collective and individual- plus respect for others’ rights.

What is problematic is the following: Muslims, Indians, indigenous peoples, blacks… don’t fit the description. There is no Arab “nation”. Siberian tribes (Samoyeds, Chukchs, Ostyaks,..) are not capable of forming a nation state, any more than Navajos and Sioux.
As far as Chechens go, the problem is that of natural resources & that ca. 30% of Chechnya was ethnically Russian- and now, less than 1%. Putin is, in the name of great Russian imperialism, doing great disservice not just to other post-Soviet European peoples, but also to Russians themselves, because not just Chechens, but also failed newly independent Muslim states like Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan…. are flooding Russia with unassimilable growing alien masses.

Russian imperialism is a death knell for ethnic Russians, too.

Just- nation state remains the great accomplishment of modernity, despite its flaws. It is applicable mostly to the global north, and very rarely to the global south (the Qatar nation?).

Playing “God Save the Queen� for the US wouldn’t even be much of an error, as the tune is also an anthem for us, albeit “unofficial�. Both that and the “official� one set American words to a British tune.

Anacreon in Heaven is a thousand times better than the Star Spangled Banner.

The only exception is Persian painting- but they’d never been orthodox on many matters…

The police have given the Southport stabber‘s age as 17. Does this mean they will not be giving us his name? The kid wore a hood, so we won’t have descriptions from witnesses. We may never know who he is– unless he turns out to be a Farage supporter. Then we’ll never hear the end of it.

So far the police have said it isn’t terror related. He’s originally from Cardiff in Wales, which does have a significant Muslim population, but lived with his family in a small village outside Southport, which doesn’t seem to be something Muslims would do. I’ll bet he had some weird sexual motivation.

It is perfectly obvious what Kazyrov is up to. He has devised a long term, multigenerational strategy to win the Eurovision Song Contest.

This one has a very smart design:

Just admit that you made up “Islam.”

We have all been shocked by the long and angry list of things John Derbyshire claimed that he wanted to do to Golda Meir when he was younger.

By their “agrees” and their replies shall ye know them.

“The one thing everyone sentient ought to be able to agree on after the last century is the right of various peoples to have their own nations and *not* be bossed around by other peoples.”

Absolutely. Imagine all the people, living life in peace.

But… there are a few problems, especially in the case of Ukraine

a) the United States foreign policy establishment, as announced by Paul Wolfovitz and in “The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives ” (1997) by Zbigniew Brzezinski, have made it a major priority that Ukraine must not be friendly to Russia.

Now I don’t know what you think, but a study of post-WW2 history tells me that when the US makes something a major priority, they don’t pray a lot that it comes about – they do things to bring it about. Looking through my comments I must have quoted Brzezinski to you a dozen times, but it seems not to have had any effect.

Your idealism might be practicable – IF the CIA, MI6 and US Special Forces didn’t exist – but they very much do. Do you think the 2014 Maidan “just happened”?

b) Ukraine, like today’s US and today’s UK, is a multiethnic state, and one of its ethnicities is Russian. You know, the people who rebelled against the 2014 coup. Don’t they count?

c) moving south, there’s a very good reason (apart from geography, Chechnya is situated between Russia and Iran) why Russia needs Chechnya inside the tent. The Chechens, like the Afghans, are a rough bunch and good scrappers, but not what we’d call gentlemen in a scrap.

“When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
And go to your God like a soldier”

Russia have already had one very nasty scrap with the Chechens – the idea that the US would leave them alone is the acme of gullibility. They’d soon be in another scrap, where the Chechens had US weapons and satellite intelligence.

Nationality/ethnicity is very much a modern and artificial construct and not one laid down by the gods.

LOL. The whole “nationalism is new!”, “nations are made up!” is the new Jewish–anti-nationalist–orthodoxy. The old Jews–the guys who wrote the old part of the Bible–sure seemed to know what nations were.

You had areas where there would a Hungarian village and then the next village over was a Romanian speaking village and then a German speaking village, etc.

That situation is much more the actual “artificial construct”. That exists only *because* there was an Empire there that conquered different peoples and suppressed internal conflict. In a natural order a tribe or confederation of tribes–a “nation”–generally controls a reasonably coherent piece of territory full of only their own peoples and spars occasionally (or a lot) with foreign tribes at its border.

You’re simply taking “Empire” as the default, declaring it to be the natural state. But people are not atoms in the pop into existence in a sea of other people. People are actually born into and exist as a part of a family, from a particular tribe or nation with their own genes, language, religion, traditions, history–“culture”. Biology is way, way, way more natural and fundamental than empire.

The Wilsonian idea of “self determination� and the artificial border drawing exercises created more problems than it solved. Having a border every few dozen miles is not good for the economy.

Again LOL. Where do you get this stuff?

These creaky old empires–like your beloved Jew friendly Austrians–launched the Great War. Then the Japanese, Germans and Russians looking to boss around more people launched an even bigger war … grating against and bringing in the British, French, Dutch, American empires and the Chinese and a whole lot of smaller nations.

Seriously how much worse can you do?

Yeah, the exact boundaries of nations–where they aren’t on islands and sometimes even where they are–can be messy. But once you get boundaries squared away–which is quite tractable between good faith nationalists (even if you need to swap territory)–things get much more peaceful. Post-War the Allies jacked around millions of people–mostly Germans. But the Europe of nations that resulted was ridiculously more peaceful. The conflict spots were some tiny multi-ethnic conflict areas–ex. Northern Ireland–or the Russians doing their thuggish imperial policing. When hot war broke back out it was in the remaining big unsorted area–Yugoslavia.

Nationalism simply works far, far better at conflict reduction than empire. Nothing has been more thoroughly demonstrated in the last century than that. Nationalism is far from perfect–particularly in the hands of people who do not respect other’s nationalisms–but it’s claims and hence its squabbling is pretty narrow. There is no natural boundary to an empire, so empire always means contention with other empires and nations … as well as beating down the internal squabbles of disparate people jammed together.