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From the Harvard Crimson:

HARVARD PRESIDENT CLAUDINE GAY RESIGNS, SHORTEST TENURE IN UNIVERSITY HISTORY

Harvard President Claudine Gay will step down less than one month after her controversial testimony before Congress.

By Emma H. Haidar and Cam E. Kettles, Crimson Staff Writers
24 minutes ago

Harvard President Claudine Gay will resign Tuesday afternoon, bringing an end to the shortest presidency in the University’s history, according to a person with knowledge of the decision.

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  1. It’ll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I’ll put my money on another minority puppet.

    •�Agree: Augustus
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I'm sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of "black people" and "highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials" has small to no overlap. If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists - something like that.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Veracitor, @Twinkie, @Art Deco
    , @JimDandy
    @Colin Wright

    Jack doesn't consider an asian who is a puppet to Jewish power a minority puppet. Lol!
    , @PaceLaw
    @Colin Wright

    Obama. Either of them.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Truth
    @Colin Wright

    I've heard that a guy in Oregon who ran a moving company is a strong candidate...

    They wanted to appeal to the more manually-gifted Harvard applicants who struggled with Algebra I.
    , @JimB
    @Colin Wright


    It’ll be interesting to see who they put in next.
    Reputation repair should be Harvard’s top priority. Claudine Gay is the George Santos of academia, yet the Harvard board of overseers, like the GOP in the case of Santos, couldn’t or wouldn’t properly vet her because of identity politics. The board needs to tender their resignation and call for a new election immediately.

    Replies: @bomag
    , @Pierre de Craon
    @Colin Wright


    It’ll be interesting to see who they put in next.
    The note that David was asked to give to Peggotty reads "Obama Barkis is willing."
    , @Ebony Obelisk
    @Colin Wright

    Someone eminently qualified.
    , @Louis Renault
    @Colin Wright

    If they are going to do it right they need to find, checks trend, a Jewish academic. What are the odds? That will leave only 1 Ivy League school without Jewish leadership. Apparently after all this liberal transformation there's not a single qualified goy, ah Christian, in America who could run a university.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Colin Wright

    Eh, I already got an email listing the short list.

    Nope, not telling.

    And predictably, but annoyingly, it doesn't include me.
  2. If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.

    •�Agree: mark green
    •�Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Colin Wright


    If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.
    Whatever they choose, the person has to be compromised from the beginning. I doubt that Gay was hired without understanding her weaknesses. The funny thing is that Gay thought the rules didn't apply to her. She's obviously not that bright.
    , @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody
    @Colin Wright

    If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.

    He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Israel.
  3. •�Agree: kaganovitch, Adam Smith
    •�Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @ScarletNumber

    In a Christmas Eve Day thread discussing if Claudine Gay was “toast” or not, I described her as “burnt toast”. Into the compost she goes!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/quotation-magnet/#comment-6328387 (#14)
  4. •�Thanks: HammerJack
    •�Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t….

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hilarious. Well done Buzz!

    I note that the long beak is on top.

    Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sort of sad to see Gay go. Having the establishment's face be these embarassing clowns (Gay, Biden, Harris, etc.) is overall, i think, a good thing. But I am glad not to have to look at her. Minoritarianism is not just toxic and destructive but really ugly.


    This does highlight that there are separate totem poles.


    Blacks are--AFAICT--atop the oppression totem pole. Jews have their holocaust and they can green-light another 50 holocaust pics. But that was far away (and now long ago). American Jews--rather wisely--used blacks and their experience in America--slavery, Jim Crow--as the cudgel to beat on whites and the American nation. (The smarter, savvier Jews aware that their own "oppression" in America was a complete joke, no matter how it animates the true believers.) So oppression wise, blacks have the top hand. Jews, QWERTY people, muzzies, assorted immigrants are behind. And that is only very slowly ebbing.

    But on the power totem pole, blacks are complete non-entities. They produce nothing, have no wealth, no skill dominance (outside sports) and control nothing--except some black majority (dump) cities. Prominent blacks in elite institutions are there courtesy of whites--AA. On the power totem pole, Jews are on top.

    Even in the Parasite Party where black votes matter--same story. While black votes saved Biden, but we got him because Jewish money guys didn't want one of the progressives and threw their $$$ behind Biden. And the Biden Administration is an almost wholly Jewish operation with a few black tokens.


    This situation will evolve with the demographic changes. There are many more Asians--including some highly competent groups--than Jews. And the legacy American--Anglo-Protestant-- deference to Jews and their holocaust narrative, Israel, etc. won't be there. More like sharp elbows of competing elite groups. And, of course, with the Latinization there will be a whole lot less of the traditional American interest in/deference to blacks and their narrative. To Latinos--and Asians-- they're just a pain-in-the-ass underclass/criminal group.

    Replies: @Truth, @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    , @vinteuil
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Talk about a picture speaking a thousand words & winning the thread on the fourth comment.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The Northwest Indian nations divide themselves into Eagle and Raven clans. So if it is wrong for the Washington Football Team to use an Indian mascot, why is it permissible for their two closest rivals?

    (Eugenic addendum: under tribal law, one can only marry someone from the other clan.)
  5. On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    •�Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @res


    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?
    Again, at the rumor level, but per The Boston Globe a Jew.

    OK, Alan Garber is currently provost, so like Gay previously as top dog of the "Faculty of Arts and Sciences" (largest unit, includes the college, R1 graduate and research unit etc., but not the business, law, medicine etc. schools) would have been on the short list, but.... Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paleo Liberal, @HammerJack
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    And it's official, or a resignation letter has been posted to the Official web site.

    ZeroHedge claimed the real thing was from an "AI" prompt "Hey ChatGPT, please write me an overly ornate, rambling, race-baiting resignation letter." and it has gems like:

    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am—and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

    Replies: @Augustus, @ic1000, @AndrewR
    , @Mr. Anon
    @res


    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?
    How about Lindsey Graham? He has all the qualifications - he can suck a matzah ball through a garden hose.

    That'd be a win for the people of South Carolina and the Nation.
    , @JohnnyD
    @res

    I'm going to be bold and predict it won't be a WASP.
  6. It is interesting that even Obama could not save her.
    https://jewishinsider.com/2023/12/penny-pritzker-harvard-president-claudine-gay-barack-obama/

    P.S. Really wish Ron would fix the bug about displaying the first comment(s?) in a thread. Does anyone understand what causes it?

    •�Replies: @Anon
    @res

    Try reporting bugs here instead: https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-2/?showcomments#comments

    Replies: @res
    , @Meretricious
    @res


    It is interesting that even Obama could not save her
    Obama shares the same beliefs as the female antisemite. Is Obama "poweful"? Look at all the negative articles written about him since the end of 2d term--even in the Black Agenda Report. Expect Obama to continue to be #1 @ shuck-and-jive.com
  7. Alerted on Bloomberg, nice to hear. Wonder the incentive to leave…10X her ~$2M salary, US presidency in 2028,…?

  8. The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, “The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California,” includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,

    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What’s amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about – some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor’s own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn’t put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka “rape” if you don’t call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don’t want to poke at too hard – it would be racist anyway.

    •�Thanks: SafeNow
    •�Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    Step on the wrong toes and suddenly a bunch of dirt conveniently comes out of the shoe.
    , @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    ...some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor’s own work which he clearly recognized...
    Couldn't he at least have quietly told her, "Claudine, you have to cite me on this?" Or is even that racist and sexist?
    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    Now you see how nice you can be if we just avoid...certain subjects?

    Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    From the FreeBeacon article:

    Canon, like several of the scholars Gay has quoted without attribution, insisted that she had done nothing wrong.

    "I am not at all concerned about the passages," Canon told the Washington Free Beacon. "This isn't even close to an example of academic plagiarism."

    I kinda doubt he'd be as lax with his own students. At least the white male ones.

    Replies: @Jack D, @kaganovitch
    , @AceDeuce
    @Jack D


    In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.
    "Lord, give me the confidence manuscripts of a mediocre White Man."
    , @ic1000
    @Jack D

    Upthread, commenter Rob Lee: "It’s important to note that while she’s resigning as president, she wasn’t fired outright, so she’ll be returning to her position on the faculty."

    That choice should bring a smile to Chris Rufo, as the plagiarism complaints concern Gay in her role as a member of the Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences. The price of having her return to her cushy academic position is that the Board of Governors' Tar Baby will continue to be "So, you must follow your own procedures."

    Which, as detailed in the linked Free Beacon article, they cannot -- the cost is too high.

    Gay is the gift that keeps on giving.

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @rebel yell
    @Jack D


    She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism
    Well there you go - it was their fault, not hers. If her racist white professors had taught her about this plagiarism thing she would never have done it. If her professors were black then they were mis-trained by their white predecessors. Why won't white people behave and teach blacks about plagiarism and stuff like that? Why are they always tricking black people? What's a poor black Harvard President supposed to do?
    Systemic racism runs deep, very deep. If you stare enough into that abyss, you will see those white racists at the bottom.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin
    The first and final nail in her coffin came shortly after 10/7 when she didn’t come out and say that any criticism of Israel or sympathy for Palestinians digging through rubble to find the bodies of their infants is anti-Semitic hate speech and any student at Harvard who engages in any criticism of Israel— even comments construed as critical— will be immediately expelled and doxxed.
    , @puttheforkdown
    @Jack D

    Don't worry Jackie boy! As of now, the interim president is a Jewish man - and there's no doubt a good chance the full term one will be as well. That's a White guy in your book, eh?
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    What’s amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway.
    What do you know about academic plagiarism? Anything at all? You were wrong about Penn’s rules on speech and expression. One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hibernian
    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    @Jack D

    From the Free Beacon: "In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar..."

    If she's plagiarizing, then she's not a scholar.

    Also, I take issue with this newspaper's use of the word "impacted." The word they should have used is "affected." As in "Seven of Gay's published works have been AFFECTED."

    People are using the word "impacted" too much and in the wrong context. I guess I could look on the bright side. At least they didn't use "impactful," one of the most annoying words ever created.

    Replies: @Blanc de Chine
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Do you still think Ukraine is winning?

    Replies: @Jack D
  9. Claudine Gay to Resign

    Oh darn, I was enjoying watching her twist in the wind.

    •�Agree: p38ace
    •�LOL: Hibernian
  10. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    Step on the wrong toes and suddenly a bunch of dirt conveniently comes out of the shoe.

  11. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/90/bb/2590bb5cd58f7948aa7531eaa1d7b53c.jpg

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Reg Cæsar

    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t….

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t…
    Nah, she's the lowly Falcon.





    https://promo2.classicindustries.com/hubfs/FalconLead.jpg

    Replies: @Servenet, @G. Poulin
  12. @res
    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon, @JohnnyD

    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    Again, at the rumor level, but per The Boston Globe a Jew.

    OK, Alan Garber is currently provost, so like Gay previously as top dog of the “Faculty of Arts and Sciences” (largest unit, includes the college, R1 graduate and research unit etc., but not the business, law, medicine etc. schools) would have been on the short list, but…. Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.

    •�LOL: rushed boob job
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Garber is the INTERIM replacement. It's possible that they will make him the permanent president but unlikely.

    In the Harvard Corporation's letter accepting her resignation, they take one last snipe at the dirty racists who brought her down. Gay will keep her faculty appointment which seems strange if the reason for her resignation is {admitted - see below} plagiarism.

    While President Gay has acknowledged missteps {not really} and has taken responsibility for them, it is also true that she has shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. While some of this has played out in the public domain, much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at her through disgraceful emails and phone calls. We condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    Replies: @duncsbaby
    , @Paleo Liberal
    @That Would Be Telling

    Someone pointed out that the main job of a college president these days is fundraising.

    Just as the main job of a politician is fundraising.

    When I was in grad school in the 1980s, my university, then a third tier school, hired a former congressman as college president. This person was especially known for getting money from people of his ethnic background (no, he wasn’t Jewish).

    He announced an audacious plan to raise
    (Pinky in mouth here)
    One
    Billion
    Dollars

    Which was a LOT of money for a university in those days.

    He also said they would jack up the tuition to match the Ivies. Because rich people thought of high tuition as a sign of a high quality university

    He did both.

    A lot of the money was to give extremely generous scholarships to a handful of very sought after students. For example, I knew several undergraduates who were genuine prodigies. One graduated at the age of 13 and went on to accomplish quite a bit afterwards.

    Now that university is one of the Big Name non-Ivy schools.

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.

    Or they could pay staff better. I’ve heard stories of overworked and underpaid employees who were expected to be thrilled to be working at such a prestigious institution. They won’t. They want that big tax free endowment.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @That Would Be Telling, @HammerJack
    , @HammerJack
    @That Would Be Telling


    Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.
    1993 in Yale's case. There was a time in recent history when six or seven of the eight Ivy League presidents were all Jewish, but I can't remember exactly when. Probably won't happen again, for a couple reasons not least being optics.

    Replies: @OK Boomer
  13. Darn, was hoping this would drag out a bit longer. This was another one of those things where I have heard first-hand from left of center people that the situation was ridiculous and unacceptable. Hopefully the Chris Rufos of the world are out sniffing around for more high profile diversity hires to out as lightweights.

    What will be interesting is if the board doubles down on diversity or asks some kind of Larry Summers type of person to step in for a few years.

    •�Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Arclight

    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now. I'll leave it at that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar
  14. My stab at a Claudine Quote meme.

    •�Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pixo

    "I am not a crook." --Claudine Gay
    , @Known Fact
    @Pixo

    Babylon Bee: Her farewell address begins with "Four score and seven years ago..." and ends with Nixon's resignation "at noon tomorrow"

    I guessed the standard line about not wanting to be a distraction, but I'll be disappointed if it does not also include "I look forward to spending more time with my family."
    , @Muggles
    @Pixo

    Now she'll have plenty of time to grow that hair back out, like a Real Black Woman!

    No more lesbo buzz cuts.
  15. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I’m sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap. If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists – something like that.

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    'I’m sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap...'
    I'd rewrite this as follows:

    'I’m sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials the next president must also be black, regardless of the difficulties in finding a candidate. The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap, but somewhere out there is some black drudge who is morally defensible and at least diligent, if not especially brilliant...'
    Lotsa 'blacks' with IQ's of 120 or so and no criminal record. Harvard will hire her.
    , @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Colin Wright, @slumber_j
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap.
    Glenn Loury? He even taught at Harvard once. And Glenn can actually do math (and have written peer-reviewed articles in economics, probably the most rigorous of the social sciences). Yeah, I know that's not gonna happen.

    If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists – something like that.
    Whatever the ethnicity of the new head of Harvard, the lesson is simple: "don't be demure about smiting the enemies of the Jews."

    So, contrary to your assertions otherwise, Jews do beat blacks (and black homosexuals) in the racial Pokemon totem pole, huh?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn't again?

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    They don't need a 'highly esteemed' scholar and might benefit from someone who has not worked in academe. College presidents are not typically 'highly esteemed scholars'. They are rank and file scholar-teachers who insinuated themselves into administration. (Martin Peretz on Nannerl Keohane: "Her last book was published in 1982. She is not a scholar; she is a dignitary").
  16. So we won’t have Claudine Gay to kick around anymore. In the end being a black woman wasn’t enough.

    If Gay had been a lesbian like her sister, would she have scored enough extra intersectionality Pokemon points to save her job? Probably not, but one wonders.

    Her interim replacement is … a Jewish guy.

    •�Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Stan Adams

    In a Boston Globe article I read today, it mentioned that Claudine was the daughter of Haitian immigrants. (Shitholers) I don't recall any mention of that prior to that article. Am I not paying close enough attention?

    Replies: @bomag
  17. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Jack doesn’t consider an asian who is a puppet to Jewish power a minority puppet. Lol!

  18. @res
    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon, @JohnnyD

    And it’s official, or a resignation letter has been posted to the Official web site.

    ZeroHedge claimed the real thing was from an “AI” prompt “Hey ChatGPT, please write me an overly ornate, rambling, race-baiting resignation letter.” and it has gems like:

    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am—and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

    •�LOL: Augustus
    •�Replies: @Augustus
    @That Would Be Telling

    ".....racial animus."

    Oh dear Lord! The left is back to blaming White supremacists.
    , @ic1000
    @That Would Be Telling


    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am...
    [Raised hand in the back of the room]

    "Professor Gay, your two bedrock values are Confronting Hate and Upholding Scholarly Rigor. Could you rank them for us?"

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @AndrewR
    @That Would Be Telling

    We all know DIE will continue to try to march us into hell, but this is the biggest hole in the dam I've seen.
  19. @That Would Be Telling
    @res


    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?
    Again, at the rumor level, but per The Boston Globe a Jew.

    OK, Alan Garber is currently provost, so like Gay previously as top dog of the "Faculty of Arts and Sciences" (largest unit, includes the college, R1 graduate and research unit etc., but not the business, law, medicine etc. schools) would have been on the short list, but.... Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paleo Liberal, @HammerJack

    Garber is the INTERIM replacement. It’s possible that they will make him the permanent president but unlikely.

    In the Harvard Corporation’s letter accepting her resignation, they take one last snipe at the dirty racists who brought her down. Gay will keep her faculty appointment which seems strange if the reason for her resignation is {admitted – see below} plagiarism.

    While President Gay has acknowledged missteps {not really} and has taken responsibility for them, it is also true that she has shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. While some of this has played out in the public domain, much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at her through disgraceful emails and phone calls. We condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    •�Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Jack D

    Who the hell is making racist attacks by phone? Is their a burner phone network in use by all those alt-right scoundrels? Or are we to believe that these scoundrels are using their own personal phones to make racist phone calls to Harvard? Come clean Men of Unz, what's up w/the phone calls?! Email is where it's at, daddy-o.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  20. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    …some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor’s own work which he clearly recognized…

    Couldn’t he at least have quietly told her, “Claudine, you have to cite me on this?” Or is even that racist and sexist?

    •�LOL: Ben tillman
  21. @Pixo
    My stab at a Claudine Quote meme.

    https://twitter.com/Lorlordylor/status/1742260053703361023

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Known Fact, @Muggles

    “I am not a crook.” –Claudine Gay

    •�Thanks: Coemgen
    •�LOL: Frau Katze, Old Prude
  22. A rather hollow victory, signifying nothing more than the desire on Harvard’s part to avoid any more bad publicity. It’s important to note that while she’s resigning as president, she wasn’t fired outright, so she’ll be returning to her position on the faculty. She’ll continue to earn a high-figure salary obtained via her fraudulent curriculum vitae.

    As usual on the progressive left, no one is embarrassed about what she did, only that she got caught.

    •�Agree: Alden, Matthew Kelly
    •�Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Rob Lee

    An interesting point, but with so many open questions as to her bona fides of even being a professor, I think that might not last but so much longer either.
  23. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/90/bb/2590bb5cd58f7948aa7531eaa1d7b53c.jpg

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Reg Cæsar

    Hilarious. Well done Buzz!

    I note that the long beak is on top.

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Colin Wright
  24. So does the next President have to get Ackman’s approval?

  25. So, this qualifies her for the US Senate, right?

    •�Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    @The Alarmist


    So, this qualifies her for the US Senate, right?
    Only if she is disabled by a stroke.
  26. All the goyim had to go, MIT lady is saved

    •�Agree: Mr. Anon
  27. @That Would Be Telling
    @res


    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?
    Again, at the rumor level, but per The Boston Globe a Jew.

    OK, Alan Garber is currently provost, so like Gay previously as top dog of the "Faculty of Arts and Sciences" (largest unit, includes the college, R1 graduate and research unit etc., but not the business, law, medicine etc. schools) would have been on the short list, but.... Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paleo Liberal, @HammerJack

    Someone pointed out that the main job of a college president these days is fundraising.

    Just as the main job of a politician is fundraising.

    When I was in grad school in the 1980s, my university, then a third tier school, hired a former congressman as college president. This person was especially known for getting money from people of his ethnic background (no, he wasn’t Jewish).

    He announced an audacious plan to raise
    (Pinky in mouth here)
    One
    Billion
    Dollars

    Which was a LOT of money for a university in those days.

    He also said they would jack up the tuition to match the Ivies. Because rich people thought of high tuition as a sign of a high quality university

    He did both.

    A lot of the money was to give extremely generous scholarships to a handful of very sought after students. For example, I knew several undergraduates who were genuine prodigies. One graduated at the age of 13 and went on to accomplish quite a bit afterwards.

    Now that university is one of the Big Name non-Ivy schools.

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.

    Or they could pay staff better. I’ve heard stories of overworked and underpaid employees who were expected to be thrilled to be working at such a prestigious institution. They won’t. They want that big tax free endowment.

    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @Paleo Liberal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brademas

    John Brademas, NYU (which was in a lot of trouble when it had to abandon its former main campus in the Bronx.)

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @MGB
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Paleo Liberal


    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.
    Most higher education endowment gifts are earmarked. In other words, and it's infamous going back more than a century in the case of Harvard's main library building, that donors don't trust administrators.

    Harvard's may indeed be so big that there are enough funds that could be used to reduce or eliminate tuition (although taking that too far has I think too many bad effects), but the general reason for the setup of this game is that tuition money can be spent on anything administrators want. So earmarked for tuition endowments actually go in due course to their favorite things, which includes hiring more administrators.

    Also worth nothing Harvard's endowment doesn't grow so well from investments after they constructively terminated the people who were running the equilivent of a world class "Wall Street" hedge fund accomplishing that. To hire and retain that talent, including risk management, it paid Wall Street compensation ... which was of course way more than the faculty made, and I assume most or perhaps all administrators.

    Harvard continued to behave as if they'd continue to get such returns, and then the Great Recession hit. This unit was then so poorly run that one investment that started losing badly wasn't noticed and closed out until a billion dollars were lost (!). This had major effects, like halting the building of a new campus, stark structural concrete sticking out of the ground and all that. Things were also tough in 2020 for the obvious reasons.
    , @HammerJack
    @Paleo Liberal


    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t.
    Nor should they; nor should any similar institution. They have a ton of wealthy students who neither need nor deserve it.
  28. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    Now you see how nice you can be if we just avoid…certain subjects?

    •�Replies: @HammerJack
    @Colin Wright

    I found a photo of some Jews that JD probably doesn't like. So, alas, no common ground even here.

    https://i.ibb.co/jRtF45n/Jan-2-2024-4-57-03.jpg
  29. To see how awful Gay was, and how destructive the “race trumps all” ideology is not only for academia but for black education in general, see this short documentary, which details how she sought to destroy the career of a politically incorrect but truly pioneering young black social scientist, Roland Fryer:

    •�Replies: @ic1000
    @Tristero

    > To see how awful Gay was

    Here is Chris Rufo's co-author Christopher Brunet, writing in April 2022 about Gay's multiple Harvard scandals -- The Curious Case of Claudine Gay.

    And here is a January 2019 article by the excellent (no sarcasm) Stuart Taylor Jr., laying out how Harvard orchestrated its witch hunt against Professor Fryer. Gay's behind-the-scenes involvement was not appreciated at the time.
    , @Anonymous
    @Tristero


    career of a politically incorrect but truly pioneering young black social scientist, Roland Fryer
    Politically [mildly] incorrect, yes. Apparently, he has a contrarian streak and feels secure enough to display it. "Pioneering", no. Most of his stuff is plain vanilla obvious and none is appreciably original. Despite the protestations, he too is an affirmative action beneficiary. Without AA, he would be an average econ prof at an average college. Sad but true.
  30. @Pixo
    My stab at a Claudine Quote meme.

    https://twitter.com/Lorlordylor/status/1742260053703361023

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Known Fact, @Muggles

    Babylon Bee: Her farewell address begins with “Four score and seven years ago…” and ends with Nixon’s resignation “at noon tomorrow”

    I guessed the standard line about not wanting to be a distraction, but I’ll be disappointed if it does not also include “I look forward to spending more time with my family.”

  31. 8 plagiarisms issues for 17 published articles. Her tenure shouldn’t be safe.

  32. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I'm sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of "black people" and "highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials" has small to no overlap. If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists - something like that.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Veracitor, @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    ‘I’m sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap…’

    I’d rewrite this as follows:

    ‘I’m sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials the next president must also be black, regardless of the difficulties in finding a candidate. The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap, but somewhere out there is some black drudge who is morally defensible and at least diligent, if not especially brilliant…’

    Lotsa ‘blacks’ with IQ’s of 120 or so and no criminal record. Harvard will hire her.

  33. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    From the FreeBeacon article:

    Canon, like several of the scholars Gay has quoted without attribution, insisted that she had done nothing wrong.

    “I am not at all concerned about the passages,” Canon told the Washington Free Beacon. “This isn’t even close to an example of academic plagiarism.”

    I kinda doubt he’d be as lax with his own students. At least the white male ones.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Jim Don Bob

    Yeah, her thesis advisor said the same thing when she was caught stealing from him.

    As I said before, he really did her no favors by going easy on her when she wrote her thesis. If he had just scribbled a little note in the margin of her draft thesis it would have saved her a lot of trouble now and maybe she would have internalized it instead of getting the message that her black skin gave her privilege to just grab a handful of cigarillos like an academic Michael Brown. The soft bigotry of low expectations in action.

    The problem is that the Harvard code is very clear that what she did IS academic plagiarism and doesn't say anything about how it's not plagiarism if the person you steal from retroactively forgives you because you are black and it would be racist not to. There is no academic version of "stealing less than $300 is not an arrestable offense any more".

    Replies: @OK Boomer
    , @kaganovitch
    @Jim Don Bob


    Canon, like several of the scholars Gay has quoted without attribution, insisted that she had done nothing wrong.
    Indeed there is a 'Manchurian Candidate' "Claudine Gay is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life." odor wafting from these denials.
  34. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I'm sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of "black people" and "highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials" has small to no overlap. If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists - something like that.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Veracitor, @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Veracitor

    Rachel Levine is a Harvard grad!
    , @Frau Katze
    @Veracitor

    A tranny would be great but there’s not that many of them.

    That could change going forward. No idea what the terminal tranny percentage will turn out to be.
    , @Alden
    @Veracitor

    I nominate Admiral Rachel Levine to be president of Harvard. On condition it gets rid of the standard military women’s bun hairstyle and goes back to the shoulder length fright wig.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Veracitor


    'In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.'
    Could work -- but I really think it takes a Negro to replace a Negro. That's the principle here.

    Besides, Israel's really gone off the deep end. I think the ability of her partisans to intimidate is rapidly declining. They're going to have to regroup and come back another day.

    Replies: @Alden
    , @slumber_j
    @Veracitor


    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny
    Dude, tranny is not the preferred nomenclature. Transgender, please. Anyway, my 16yo son suggested that part, and I said I thought the Corporation would feel the need to appoint a Jew for obvious reasons, and my wife said maybe a black Jewish trans woman would be best. So: Beta Israeli trans ftw...

    Or perhaps not. It since occurred to me that given Claudine Gay's new status as the Pope John Paul I of the Harvard Presidency, the Harvard Corporation could maybe come to an arrangement with the Vatican whereby the remains of the short-lived Pontiff are freed from their crypt and dolled up to be wheeled out at Commencement and other such events in the manner of Jeremy Bentham's auto-icon.

    There's precedent there, so that's a big plus. And while recent events do show that corpses are no longer uncancellable, at least it will be universally understandable when the new President of Harvard stays mute in the face of tendentious questioning at Congressional hearings: he definitely won't be shooting his mouth off so will need no legal counsel--a real money-saver. Also, thanks to Chat GPT, we can get fundraising letters in his inimitable voice, no longer gone too soon.

    Either that or maybe a horse.
  35. 1. The new president must be a black, for to do otherwise would be tantamount to an admission that affirmative action and competence to do the job are mutually exclusive.

    2. The faculty must be extensively consulted.

    3. The new president must have had extensive experience with faculty, students and a university.

    4. Psychologists who specialize in spouse-selection say that you have to have “heat,” because without heat, all you’ve got is a good friend. Similarly, in addition to the objective factors above, you have to have heat, given the background of this situation.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I disagree that they will do #1, because that will make it obvious that that they are just looking for tokens and not for the "best person" . Also because affirmative action and competence to do the job ARE in fact mutually exclusive. They don't dare risk another mediocre black and mediocre is the best that is available.

    The people at the Harvard Corporation are pretty smart. There are ways to square this circle without getting another black. Just as Gay was the first black Harvard pres, the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one. Plenty of other members of the Coalition of the Fringes to take a turn and better odds that they can find someone competent. For its last president, MIT got Rafael Reif of Venezuela, who is bilingual in Spanish and Yiddish. A twofer!

    Replies: @SafeNow, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil
    , @Blanc de Chine
    @SafeNow

    Dr. Carol Swain.
  36. I’m stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    'I’m stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.'
    I've said similar -- but I really don't think either Claudine or Kamala are right for the part. Michelle maybe -- but not Claudine or Kamala. Claudine's visage could give an early adolescent nightmares, and Kamala is too obviously phony.

    In general, though, the problem with these people -- with blacks in general -- is that they're promoted way past their level of competence. It's the Peter Principle on Acid, or something.

    ....and of course it's a vicious circle. Instead of meeting the occasional competent black doctor or bureaucrat and at least qualifying our racism, we have all our darkest suspicions confirmed...decide to give two hundred dollars to the local chapter of the KKK this year.
    , @Frau Katze
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    I’m stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.
    Kamala is so irritating she would have been bad even there.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara
  37. @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Colin Wright, @slumber_j

    Rachel Levine is a Harvard grad!

    •�LOL: deep anonymous
  38. @res
    It is interesting that even Obama could not save her.
    https://jewishinsider.com/2023/12/penny-pritzker-harvard-president-claudine-gay-barack-obama/

    P.S. Really wish Ron would fix the bug about displaying the first comment(s?) in a thread. Does anyone understand what causes it?

    Replies: @Anon, @Meretricious
    •�Replies: @res
    @Anon

    Thanks. My recollection was it had already been reported. It was. Back in 2019. Here is Ron's response from then.
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-3559212

    Unfortunately, until the first comment has been approved, no comments are visible, including those under moderation. This seems to be a problem with the complex underlying WordPress core we use, and I doubt it can be easily fixed.
    This seems like a decent workaround. Any interest in doing this, Steve?
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-3911799

    Perhaps it would be helpful for all authors to adopt Anatoly Karlin’s practice of always leaving the first comment with a boilerplate statement of commenting guidelines. Then this issue would be avoided.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  39. Is Larry Summers available?

  40. What reason did she give for resignation? Choose one.

    Confession of serial plagiarism.
    Wrongly threatening lawsuits against journalists for unfavorable coverage.
    Admission that her academic success depended entirely on her African genes combined with her XX chromosomes.
    Regret for hounding out scholars whose views she wanted to suppress.
    Sorry for excusing pro-Palestinian calls for violence while punishing peaceful speech of anyone to the right of Angela Davis.
    Failing to prepare for her Congressional hearing.
    Foolishly offending major alum donors.
    It was the Jews! The Jews!
    Harvard coming in last on free speech
    Forced to because of racism.

    •�Thanks: Robertson
    •�Replies: @Bill Jones
    @New Dealer

    Insufficient Yiddiphilia.
  41. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t….

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t…

    Nah, she’s the lowly Falcon.

    •�LOL: Servenet
    •�Replies: @Servenet
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Ford Falcon looks very attractive compared to the (former) president of Harvard.
    , @G. Poulin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The lowly Falcon was dressed up and became the fabulous Mustang. My guess is that Gay, in spite of being stupid, hateful and dishonest, will do all right for herself.
  42. @SafeNow
    1. The new president must be a black, for to do otherwise would be tantamount to an admission that affirmative action and competence to do the job are mutually exclusive.

    2. The faculty must be extensively consulted.

    3. The new president must have had extensive experience with faculty, students and a university.

    4. Psychologists who specialize in spouse-selection say that you have to have “heat,” because without heat, all you’ve got is a good friend. Similarly, in addition to the objective factors above, you have to have heat, given the background of this situation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Blanc de Chine

    I disagree that they will do #1, because that will make it obvious that that they are just looking for tokens and not for the “best person” . Also because affirmative action and competence to do the job ARE in fact mutually exclusive. They don’t dare risk another mediocre black and mediocre is the best that is available.

    The people at the Harvard Corporation are pretty smart. There are ways to square this circle without getting another black. Just as Gay was the first black Harvard pres, the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one. Plenty of other members of the Coalition of the Fringes to take a turn and better odds that they can find someone competent. For its last president, MIT got Rafael Reif of Venezuela, who is bilingual in Spanish and Yiddish. A twofer!

    •�Replies: @SafeNow
    @Jack D

    Excellent point, but watch out for the Eisenhower problem. When Ike was president of Columbia, he spent so much time giving his advice to NATO and everybody else, that he was harshly criticized for neglecting his duties as president of the University. Thus, the new Harvard president, if notable because of his current affiliations, would have to say: I am completely cutting myself off from all these affiliations, and if the phone rings, I’m not going to take their call. Thus, Obama would have to say, I will cease running the country. It would be nice if there is some nerdy black academic somewhere, a university professor, who, quite indisputably, discerned the first novel, insightful, compelling take on Paradise Lost to come along in 100 years. Potential critics would simply say, The web you weaved is too complicated for me, but it’s good enough for me.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Agree.

    This is Harvard, not some podunk joint that has to quiver in fear of being insufficiently diverse and "with it". Gay was--ridiculous--virtue signaling but by no means required. Harvard could appoint a serious competent Jewish heterosexual (XY) male scholar--of which there are many--and be fine.

    My guess is they won't do that. My guess would be they'd pick someone not obviously ethnically interested in the Israel-Palestine head bashing nonsense at all. As you note the Asian and Hispanic options are on the table if they want "diversity".

    But pretty sure they won't pick another black. That blackety-black thing is so 2020. Embarrassing enough they hired Gay last year. I don't expect Harvard to announce that Derek Chauvin did not kill George Floyd--like Loury and McWhorter. But I do expect they'll sense the blackety-black stuff is past its sell-by, and headed downscale and they don't have to virtue signal like they're Southwest Georgia State University.

    I guess we'll see how savvy the Harvard trustees really are.
    , @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one.
    Not the first tranny? Not Admiral Rachel Levine?
  43. @Arclight
    Darn, was hoping this would drag out a bit longer. This was another one of those things where I have heard first-hand from left of center people that the situation was ridiculous and unacceptable. Hopefully the Chris Rufos of the world are out sniffing around for more high profile diversity hires to out as lightweights.

    What will be interesting is if the board doubles down on diversity or asks some kind of Larry Summers type of person to step in for a few years.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now. I’ll leave it at that.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The person who made the detailed plagiarism accusations against Gay has chose to remain anonymous because (after Harvard sicced its lawyers on the NY Post) he did not think that Claudine wanted his name only in order to thank him for driving her much harder than she wanted to be driven. (A joke reference to her plagiarized thesis acknowledgement).

    Even worse, the New York Post reports that Gay and Harvard “threatened to use legal means to out who had supplied the comparisons,” a shocking admission that Gay and Harvard sought to
    retaliate against me personally. At one point Gay and Harvard asked the Post, “Why would
    someone making such a complaint be unwilling to attach their name to it?” I was unwilling
    because I feared that Gay and Harvard would violate their policies, behave more like a cartel with a
    hedge fund attached than a university, and try to seek “immense” damages from me and who
    knows what else. Since I’ve answered their lawyer’s stupid question, allow me to ask a reasonable
    question of my own. Why would an institution assessing allegations made in good faith, and
    ultimately substantiated, threaten to use its enormous resources to expose the identity of a
    whistleblower? Did Gay wish to personally thank me for helping her to improve her work even if I
    drove her harder than she wanted to be driven?

    From the anon's latest missive to Harvard, the one that apparently succeeded in pushing her out the door.

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now.
    At 93, Soros was conspicuously absent from the predictions of the next year's passings.

    And how sharp can this Eye be? My grandmother lived to 93 and owned up to five houses in Florida. At her demise, there were only two left. We suspect the others were sold to fund multiple cataract surgeries.


    The younger Soroses are active, but show the same regression to the mean as the Fords, Rockefellers, etc.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon
  44. @Paleo Liberal
    @That Would Be Telling

    Someone pointed out that the main job of a college president these days is fundraising.

    Just as the main job of a politician is fundraising.

    When I was in grad school in the 1980s, my university, then a third tier school, hired a former congressman as college president. This person was especially known for getting money from people of his ethnic background (no, he wasn’t Jewish).

    He announced an audacious plan to raise
    (Pinky in mouth here)
    One
    Billion
    Dollars

    Which was a LOT of money for a university in those days.

    He also said they would jack up the tuition to match the Ivies. Because rich people thought of high tuition as a sign of a high quality university

    He did both.

    A lot of the money was to give extremely generous scholarships to a handful of very sought after students. For example, I knew several undergraduates who were genuine prodigies. One graduated at the age of 13 and went on to accomplish quite a bit afterwards.

    Now that university is one of the Big Name non-Ivy schools.

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.

    Or they could pay staff better. I’ve heard stories of overworked and underpaid employees who were expected to be thrilled to be working at such a prestigious institution. They won’t. They want that big tax free endowment.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @That Would Be Telling, @HammerJack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brademas

    John Brademas, NYU (which was in a lot of trouble when it had to abandon its former main campus in the Bronx.)

    •�Agree: Paleo Liberal
    •�Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Hibernian

    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    My apologies

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Jenner Ickham Errican
    , @MGB
    @Hibernian

    Was gonna guess BU.

    Replies: @OK Boomer
  45. @Paleo Liberal
    @That Would Be Telling

    Someone pointed out that the main job of a college president these days is fundraising.

    Just as the main job of a politician is fundraising.

    When I was in grad school in the 1980s, my university, then a third tier school, hired a former congressman as college president. This person was especially known for getting money from people of his ethnic background (no, he wasn’t Jewish).

    He announced an audacious plan to raise
    (Pinky in mouth here)
    One
    Billion
    Dollars

    Which was a LOT of money for a university in those days.

    He also said they would jack up the tuition to match the Ivies. Because rich people thought of high tuition as a sign of a high quality university

    He did both.

    A lot of the money was to give extremely generous scholarships to a handful of very sought after students. For example, I knew several undergraduates who were genuine prodigies. One graduated at the age of 13 and went on to accomplish quite a bit afterwards.

    Now that university is one of the Big Name non-Ivy schools.

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.

    Or they could pay staff better. I’ve heard stories of overworked and underpaid employees who were expected to be thrilled to be working at such a prestigious institution. They won’t. They want that big tax free endowment.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @That Would Be Telling, @HammerJack

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.

    Most higher education endowment gifts are earmarked. In other words, and it’s infamous going back more than a century in the case of Harvard’s main library building, that donors don’t trust administrators.

    Harvard’s may indeed be so big that there are enough funds that could be used to reduce or eliminate tuition (although taking that too far has I think too many bad effects), but the general reason for the setup of this game is that tuition money can be spent on anything administrators want. So earmarked for tuition endowments actually go in due course to their favorite things, which includes hiring more administrators.

    Also worth nothing Harvard’s endowment doesn’t grow so well from investments after they constructively terminated the people who were running the equilivent of a world class “Wall Street” hedge fund accomplishing that. To hire and retain that talent, including risk management, it paid Wall Street compensation … which was of course way more than the faculty made, and I assume most or perhaps all administrators.

    Harvard continued to behave as if they’d continue to get such returns, and then the Great Recession hit. This unit was then so poorly run that one investment that started losing badly wasn’t noticed and closed out until a billion dollars were lost (!). This had major effects, like halting the building of a new campus, stark structural concrete sticking out of the ground and all that. Things were also tough in 2020 for the obvious reasons.

  46. @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Colin Wright, @slumber_j

    A tranny would be great but there’s not that many of them.

    That could change going forward. No idea what the terminal tranny percentage will turn out to be.

  47. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    From the FreeBeacon article:

    Canon, like several of the scholars Gay has quoted without attribution, insisted that she had done nothing wrong.

    "I am not at all concerned about the passages," Canon told the Washington Free Beacon. "This isn't even close to an example of academic plagiarism."

    I kinda doubt he'd be as lax with his own students. At least the white male ones.

    Replies: @Jack D, @kaganovitch

    Yeah, her thesis advisor said the same thing when she was caught stealing from him.

    As I said before, he really did her no favors by going easy on her when she wrote her thesis. If he had just scribbled a little note in the margin of her draft thesis it would have saved her a lot of trouble now and maybe she would have internalized it instead of getting the message that her black skin gave her privilege to just grab a handful of cigarillos like an academic Michael Brown. The soft bigotry of low expectations in action.

    The problem is that the Harvard code is very clear that what she did IS academic plagiarism and doesn’t say anything about how it’s not plagiarism if the person you steal from retroactively forgives you because you are black and it would be racist not to. There is no academic version of “stealing less than $300 is not an arrestable offense any more”.

    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    How would that be better for anyone?

    She wouldn't be able to graduate, judging by how hard it was for her to produce even that tiny amount of articles; gone would be the profesorship and the presidency.

    The mentor would 1 or 2 fewer publications, an adjunct slave less, and eventually fewer graduates.

    The department and the university would have been accused of discrimination, and lose time defending themselves and / or money on lawyers.

    Now, even with the harshest punishments Harvard may apply, Gay is still left with the gains of two decades of professorship, her salary being 800 thousand USD a year, before the presidency job. She can stop "working" now, and still provide comfortable lives to her progeny.

    In the West, plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder. Ursula von der Leyden plagiarized her dissertation and became the chairwoman of Europe.

    Replies: @bomag, @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody
  48. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    “Lord, give me the confidence manuscripts of a mediocre White Man.”

  49. @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I disagree that they will do #1, because that will make it obvious that that they are just looking for tokens and not for the "best person" . Also because affirmative action and competence to do the job ARE in fact mutually exclusive. They don't dare risk another mediocre black and mediocre is the best that is available.

    The people at the Harvard Corporation are pretty smart. There are ways to square this circle without getting another black. Just as Gay was the first black Harvard pres, the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one. Plenty of other members of the Coalition of the Fringes to take a turn and better odds that they can find someone competent. For its last president, MIT got Rafael Reif of Venezuela, who is bilingual in Spanish and Yiddish. A twofer!

    Replies: @SafeNow, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil

    Excellent point, but watch out for the Eisenhower problem. When Ike was president of Columbia, he spent so much time giving his advice to NATO and everybody else, that he was harshly criticized for neglecting his duties as president of the University. Thus, the new Harvard president, if notable because of his current affiliations, would have to say: I am completely cutting myself off from all these affiliations, and if the phone rings, I’m not going to take their call. Thus, Obama would have to say, I will cease running the country. It would be nice if there is some nerdy black academic somewhere, a university professor, who, quite indisputably, discerned the first novel, insightful, compelling take on Paradise Lost to come along in 100 years. Potential critics would simply say, The web you weaved is too complicated for me, but it’s good enough for me.

  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/90/bb/2590bb5cd58f7948aa7531eaa1d7b53c.jpg

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Reg Cæsar

    Sort of sad to see Gay go. Having the establishment’s face be these embarassing clowns (Gay, Biden, Harris, etc.) is overall, i think, a good thing. But I am glad not to have to look at her. Minoritarianism is not just toxic and destructive but really ugly.

    This does highlight that there are separate totem poles.

    Blacks are–AFAICT–atop the oppression totem pole. Jews have their holocaust and they can green-light another 50 holocaust pics. But that was far away (and now long ago). American Jews–rather wisely–used blacks and their experience in America–slavery, Jim Crow–as the cudgel to beat on whites and the American nation. (The smarter, savvier Jews aware that their own “oppression” in America was a complete joke, no matter how it animates the true believers.) So oppression wise, blacks have the top hand. Jews, QWERTY people, muzzies, assorted immigrants are behind. And that is only very slowly ebbing.

    But on the power totem pole, blacks are complete non-entities. They produce nothing, have no wealth, no skill dominance (outside sports) and control nothing–except some black majority (dump) cities. Prominent blacks in elite institutions are there courtesy of whites–AA. On the power totem pole, Jews are on top.

    Even in the Parasite Party where black votes matter–same story. While black votes saved Biden, but we got him because Jewish money guys didn’t want one of the progressives and threw their $$$ behind Biden. And the Biden Administration is an almost wholly Jewish operation with a few black tokens.

    This situation will evolve with the demographic changes. There are many more Asians–including some highly competent groups–than Jews. And the legacy American–Anglo-Protestant– deference to Jews and their holocaust narrative, Israel, etc. won’t be there. More like sharp elbows of competing elite groups. And, of course, with the Latinization there will be a whole lot less of the traditional American interest in/deference to blacks and their narrative. To Latinos–and Asians– they’re just a pain-in-the-ass underclass/criminal group.

    •�Replies: @Truth
    @AnotherDad


    But on the power totem pole, blacks are complete non-entities. They produce nothing, have no wealth,
    You are, what number, on the 2023 Forbes Billionaire List?

    Great, then STFU.
    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @AnotherDad


    This does highlight that there are separate totem poles.
    I don't think this is quite right - it's rather that multiple parties have been promised the same high position on the totem pole, and the genius of the Democrats' coalition lies in avoiding conflicts between two or more parties believing themselves to occupy a position higher than the other. Steve points out that a way that this is done is to scapegoat straight white males when the conflicts cannot be totally avoided.

    Jews are good coalition participants here because they understand the game and permit unprincipled exceptions from time to time when there is a brewing conflict with blacks - the blacks get a trophy that says "#1 Top Totem Pole Sitter World Champions" and the Jews quietly get the policy or treatment they wanted all along when the conflict has cooled and is forgotten.
  51. Old black women don’t die,they just fade away.-Claudine Gay

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Adolf Smith

    If only. - Roxanne Gay.
    , @cool daddy jimbo
    @Adolf Smith

    This shit will never stop being funny.
  52. Two down, myriad to go. But Garber’s ascendancy reminds us that Gay did not install these pathologies, they were installed by, or their installation tolerated by, mostly high-SAT white males, frequently Jewish.

  53. She’ll fall up; end the CEO of Disney or Time Warner.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mike Tre

    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=south+park+kathleen+kennedy&&mid=00DF16B3EE5D63DDC74F00DF16B3EE5D63DDC74F&&FORM=VRDGAR
  54. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obama. Either of them.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @PaceLaw


    Obama. Either of them.
    Nope. Both of them are too lazy and entitled to do any real work, even if it is just smoozing prospective donors.

    Replies: @Colin Wright
  55. @Hibernian
    @Paleo Liberal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brademas

    John Brademas, NYU (which was in a lot of trouble when it had to abandon its former main campus in the Bronx.)

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @MGB

    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    My apologies

    •�Replies: @Coemgen
    @Paleo Liberal


    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    My apologies
    Can’t you just click the AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC. then select something other than disagree to change your response?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Paleo Liberal


    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    “Thank you Mister Cowboy, I’ll take it under advisement.
    HIT IT AGAIN.”

    Former Harvard President Claudine Gay
    Seriously, hit the “Agree” button and see what happens. Magic!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-atlantic-wants-to-cancel-richard-hananias-the-origins-of-woke/#comment-6161710 (#159)

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  56. What is the point of the exercise? Is it just to let future University presidents know there will be consequences? What will Ms Gay’s replacement do that Gay did not? I guess if you want to go deeper is there anything Gay could do, perhaps because she is Black, that her replacement will not be able to do.

  57. anonymous[238] •�Disclaimer says:

    The Corporation is still in a closed door meeting.

    Here’s some recent footage that’s been smuggled out…

  58. @Pixo
    My stab at a Claudine Quote meme.

    https://twitter.com/Lorlordylor/status/1742260053703361023

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Known Fact, @Muggles

    Now she’ll have plenty of time to grow that hair back out, like a Real Black Woman!

    No more lesbo buzz cuts.

    •�LOL: Augustus
  59. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I’ve heard that a guy in Oregon who ran a moving company is a strong candidate…

    They wanted to appeal to the more manually-gifted Harvard applicants who struggled with Algebra I.

  60. @Rob Lee
    A rather hollow victory, signifying nothing more than the desire on Harvard's part to avoid any more bad publicity. It's important to note that while she's resigning as president, she wasn't fired outright, so she'll be returning to her position on the faculty. She'll continue to earn a high-figure salary obtained via her fraudulent curriculum vitae.

    As usual on the progressive left, no one is embarrassed about what she did, only that she got caught.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    An interesting point, but with so many open questions as to her bona fides of even being a professor, I think that might not last but so much longer either.

  61. @Tristero
    To see how awful Gay was, and how destructive the "race trumps all" ideology is not only for academia but for black education in general, see this short documentary, which details how she sought to destroy the career of a politically incorrect but truly pioneering young black social scientist, Roland Fryer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8xWOlk3WIw

    Replies: @ic1000, @Anonymous

    > To see how awful Gay was

    Here is Chris Rufo’s co-author Christopher Brunet, writing in April 2022 about Gay’s multiple Harvard scandals — The Curious Case of Claudine Gay.

    And here is a January 2019 article by the excellent (no sarcasm) Stuart Taylor Jr., laying out how Harvard orchestrated its witch hunt against Professor Fryer. Gay’s behind-the-scenes involvement was not appreciated at the time.

    •�Thanks: MEH 0910
  62. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It’ll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    Reputation repair should be Harvard’s top priority. Claudine Gay is the George Santos of academia, yet the Harvard board of overseers, like the GOP in the case of Santos, couldn’t or wouldn’t properly vet her because of identity politics. The board needs to tender their resignation and call for a new election immediately.

    •�Replies: @bomag
    @JimB

    Their consolation: we tried to do good, but the world is so harsh.

    Maybe, as in the George Santos world, it's grifters from top to bottom.
  63. @Colin Wright
    If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody

    If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.

    Whatever they choose, the person has to be compromised from the beginning. I doubt that Gay was hired without understanding her weaknesses. The funny thing is that Gay thought the rules didn’t apply to her. She’s obviously not that bright.

  64. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Arclight

    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now. I'll leave it at that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    The person who made the detailed plagiarism accusations against Gay has chose to remain anonymous because (after Harvard sicced its lawyers on the NY Post) he did not think that Claudine wanted his name only in order to thank him for driving her much harder than she wanted to be driven. (A joke reference to her plagiarized thesis acknowledgement).

    Even worse, the New York Post reports that Gay and Harvard “threatened to use legal means to out who had supplied the comparisons,” a shocking admission that Gay and Harvard sought to
    retaliate against me personally. At one point Gay and Harvard asked the Post, “Why would
    someone making such a complaint be unwilling to attach their name to it?” I was unwilling
    because I feared that Gay and Harvard would violate their policies, behave more like a cartel with a
    hedge fund attached than a university, and try to seek “immense” damages from me and who
    knows what else. Since I’ve answered their lawyer’s stupid question, allow me to ask a reasonable
    question of my own. Why would an institution assessing allegations made in good faith, and
    ultimately substantiated, threaten to use its enormous resources to expose the identity of a
    whistleblower? Did Gay wish to personally thank me for helping her to improve her work even if I
    drove her harder than she wanted to be driven?

    From the anon’s latest missive to Harvard, the one that apparently succeeded in pushing her out the door.

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    •�Thanks: HammerJack, MEH 0910
    •�Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Harvard is where people go to make connections and print credentials. No one goes there to actually learn or have sincere debates. This has probably been true for a long time but in the 2020s it's completely undeniable.
  65. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/90/bb/2590bb5cd58f7948aa7531eaa1d7b53c.jpg

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Reg Cæsar

    Talk about a picture speaking a thousand words & winning the thread on the fourth comment.

    •�Agree: ic1000, AnotherDad
  66. @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    And it's official, or a resignation letter has been posted to the Official web site.

    ZeroHedge claimed the real thing was from an "AI" prompt "Hey ChatGPT, please write me an overly ornate, rambling, race-baiting resignation letter." and it has gems like:

    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am—and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

    Replies: @Augustus, @ic1000, @AndrewR

    “…..racial animus.”

    Oh dear Lord! The left is back to blaming White supremacists.

  67. @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sort of sad to see Gay go. Having the establishment's face be these embarassing clowns (Gay, Biden, Harris, etc.) is overall, i think, a good thing. But I am glad not to have to look at her. Minoritarianism is not just toxic and destructive but really ugly.


    This does highlight that there are separate totem poles.


    Blacks are--AFAICT--atop the oppression totem pole. Jews have their holocaust and they can green-light another 50 holocaust pics. But that was far away (and now long ago). American Jews--rather wisely--used blacks and their experience in America--slavery, Jim Crow--as the cudgel to beat on whites and the American nation. (The smarter, savvier Jews aware that their own "oppression" in America was a complete joke, no matter how it animates the true believers.) So oppression wise, blacks have the top hand. Jews, QWERTY people, muzzies, assorted immigrants are behind. And that is only very slowly ebbing.

    But on the power totem pole, blacks are complete non-entities. They produce nothing, have no wealth, no skill dominance (outside sports) and control nothing--except some black majority (dump) cities. Prominent blacks in elite institutions are there courtesy of whites--AA. On the power totem pole, Jews are on top.

    Even in the Parasite Party where black votes matter--same story. While black votes saved Biden, but we got him because Jewish money guys didn't want one of the progressives and threw their $$$ behind Biden. And the Biden Administration is an almost wholly Jewish operation with a few black tokens.


    This situation will evolve with the demographic changes. There are many more Asians--including some highly competent groups--than Jews. And the legacy American--Anglo-Protestant-- deference to Jews and their holocaust narrative, Israel, etc. won't be there. More like sharp elbows of competing elite groups. And, of course, with the Latinization there will be a whole lot less of the traditional American interest in/deference to blacks and their narrative. To Latinos--and Asians-- they're just a pain-in-the-ass underclass/criminal group.

    Replies: @Truth, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    But on the power totem pole, blacks are complete non-entities. They produce nothing, have no wealth,

    You are, what number, on the 2023 Forbes Billionaire List?

    Great, then STFU.

  68. @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I disagree that they will do #1, because that will make it obvious that that they are just looking for tokens and not for the "best person" . Also because affirmative action and competence to do the job ARE in fact mutually exclusive. They don't dare risk another mediocre black and mediocre is the best that is available.

    The people at the Harvard Corporation are pretty smart. There are ways to square this circle without getting another black. Just as Gay was the first black Harvard pres, the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one. Plenty of other members of the Coalition of the Fringes to take a turn and better odds that they can find someone competent. For its last president, MIT got Rafael Reif of Venezuela, who is bilingual in Spanish and Yiddish. A twofer!

    Replies: @SafeNow, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil

    Agree.

    This is Harvard, not some podunk joint that has to quiver in fear of being insufficiently diverse and “with it”. Gay was–ridiculous–virtue signaling but by no means required. Harvard could appoint a serious competent Jewish heterosexual (XY) male scholar–of which there are many–and be fine.

    My guess is they won’t do that. My guess would be they’d pick someone not obviously ethnically interested in the Israel-Palestine head bashing nonsense at all. As you note the Asian and Hispanic options are on the table if they want “diversity”.

    But pretty sure they won’t pick another black. That blackety-black thing is so 2020. Embarrassing enough they hired Gay last year. I don’t expect Harvard to announce that Derek Chauvin did not kill George Floyd–like Loury and McWhorter. But I do expect they’ll sense the blackety-black stuff is past its sell-by, and headed downscale and they don’t have to virtue signal like they’re Southwest Georgia State University.

    I guess we’ll see how savvy the Harvard trustees really are.

    •�Disagree: Meretricious
  69. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    Upthread, commenter Rob Lee: “It’s important to note that while she’s resigning as president, she wasn’t fired outright, so she’ll be returning to her position on the faculty.”

    That choice should bring a smile to Chris Rufo, as the plagiarism complaints concern Gay in her role as a member of the Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences. The price of having her return to her cushy academic position is that the Board of Governors’ Tar Baby will continue to be “So, you must follow your own procedures.”

    Which, as detailed in the linked Free Beacon article, they cannot — the cost is too high.

    Gay is the gift that keeps on giving.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Neither her resignation letter nor the Corporation's letter (both surely lawyered up the wazoo) mention the specific reason(s) for her resignation. According to the Corporation's letter (incidentally, Priztker appears to be the only Jew on the Corporation) "President Gay has acknowledged missteps" without actually saying what they were. If she acknowledged missteps it must have been to the board privately because her resignation letter doesn't mention any, just that "it is in the best interests of Harvard for me to resign". At least she doesn't say it's to spend more time with her (non-existent) family.

    So, I think that legally speaking, this leaves the plagiarism allegations untouched. The Faculty will either have to process them as they would against any member of the faculty who has been so accused. The last time this came up they gave her an immediate pass (pass first and then the "investigation" later) but I don't think it's going to be all that easy this time. Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look. But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob
  70. @Paleo Liberal
    @That Would Be Telling

    Someone pointed out that the main job of a college president these days is fundraising.

    Just as the main job of a politician is fundraising.

    When I was in grad school in the 1980s, my university, then a third tier school, hired a former congressman as college president. This person was especially known for getting money from people of his ethnic background (no, he wasn’t Jewish).

    He announced an audacious plan to raise
    (Pinky in mouth here)
    One
    Billion
    Dollars

    Which was a LOT of money for a university in those days.

    He also said they would jack up the tuition to match the Ivies. Because rich people thought of high tuition as a sign of a high quality university

    He did both.

    A lot of the money was to give extremely generous scholarships to a handful of very sought after students. For example, I knew several undergraduates who were genuine prodigies. One graduated at the age of 13 and went on to accomplish quite a bit afterwards.

    Now that university is one of the Big Name non-Ivy schools.

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t. They would rather see their endowment grow.

    Or they could pay staff better. I’ve heard stories of overworked and underpaid employees who were expected to be thrilled to be working at such a prestigious institution. They won’t. They want that big tax free endowment.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @That Would Be Telling, @HammerJack

    Harvard loves its endowment. They could give free tuition to all their students, but won’t.

    Nor should they; nor should any similar institution. They have a ton of wealthy students who neither need nor deserve it.

  71. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism

    Well there you go – it was their fault, not hers. If her racist white professors had taught her about this plagiarism thing she would never have done it. If her professors were black then they were mis-trained by their white predecessors. Why won’t white people behave and teach blacks about plagiarism and stuff like that? Why are they always tricking black people? What’s a poor black Harvard President supposed to do?
    Systemic racism runs deep, very deep. If you stare enough into that abyss, you will see those white racists at the bottom.

  72. @That Would Be Telling
    @res


    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?
    Again, at the rumor level, but per The Boston Globe a Jew.

    OK, Alan Garber is currently provost, so like Gay previously as top dog of the "Faculty of Arts and Sciences" (largest unit, includes the college, R1 graduate and research unit etc., but not the business, law, medicine etc. schools) would have been on the short list, but.... Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paleo Liberal, @HammerJack

    Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.

    1993 in Yale’s case. There was a time in recent history when six or seven of the eight Ivy League presidents were all Jewish, but I can’t remember exactly when. Probably won’t happen again, for a couple reasons not least being optics.

    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @HammerJack

    Their lot have been bombing children's wards for two months, organized an open-air concentration camp for 5 decades, and you think they care about group optics.
  73. So it goes, and so it goes…

    Many blacks have learned this lesson, going back to the civil rights movement, again with the 70’s black radicals, black “thought leaders”, BLM types, and now, this chick- Blacks can get away with almost anything, but if they ever, even briefly, touch the “third rail” i.e. mention the jews, point out jewish power, or lawdy lawdy, get on the wrong side of the jewish power paradigm… THEY ARE DONE!

    It’s happened more time than I can count.

    They can even be “pro-Palestinian” during normal times, because that’s just words, but when the master comes a callin’, you best mind your p’s and q’s!

    The jews will use their enormous power, that they definitely don’t have, to crush you into dust.

    This ugly excuse for a person will land on her feet, in some other diversity gig, but I’ll bet she never opposes jewish power again.

    Blacks can be as uppity as they like, but they aren’t allowed to “name the jew” any more than anyone else is allowed to, which is NEVER!

    So long, Soul Sista, you just got your come-uppance.

  74. @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    And it's official, or a resignation letter has been posted to the Official web site.

    ZeroHedge claimed the real thing was from an "AI" prompt "Hey ChatGPT, please write me an overly ornate, rambling, race-baiting resignation letter." and it has gems like:

    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am—and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

    Replies: @Augustus, @ic1000, @AndrewR

    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am…

    [Raised hand in the back of the room]

    “Professor Gay, your two bedrock values are Confronting Hate and Upholding Scholarly Rigor. Could you rank them for us?”

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000

    She didn't say "not necessarily in that order" so I think she already told us which one comes first.
  75. @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I disagree that they will do #1, because that will make it obvious that that they are just looking for tokens and not for the "best person" . Also because affirmative action and competence to do the job ARE in fact mutually exclusive. They don't dare risk another mediocre black and mediocre is the best that is available.

    The people at the Harvard Corporation are pretty smart. There are ways to square this circle without getting another black. Just as Gay was the first black Harvard pres, the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one. Plenty of other members of the Coalition of the Fringes to take a turn and better odds that they can find someone competent. For its last president, MIT got Rafael Reif of Venezuela, who is bilingual in Spanish and Yiddish. A twofer!

    Replies: @SafeNow, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil

    the next one will be the first Asian/Middle Eastern/Latino one.

    Not the first tranny? Not Admiral Rachel Levine?

  76. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    Now you see how nice you can be if we just avoid...certain subjects?

    Replies: @HammerJack

    I found a photo of some Jews that JD probably doesn’t like. So, alas, no common ground even here.

  77. @ScarletNumber
    Well, score a point for Jim Don Bob

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/your-predictions-for-2024/#comment-6341196

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    In a Christmas Eve Day thread discussing if Claudine Gay was “toast” or not, I described her as “burnt toast”. Into the compost she goes!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/quotation-magnet/#comment-6328387 (#14)

  78. @Paleo Liberal
    @Hibernian

    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    My apologies

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    My apologies

    Can’t you just click the AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC. then select something other than disagree to change your response?

  79. @Paleo Liberal
    @Hibernian

    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    My apologies

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    “Thank you Mister Cowboy, I’ll take it under advisement.
    HIT IT AGAIN.”

    Former Harvard President Claudine Gay

    Seriously, hit the “Agree” button and see what happens. Magic!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-atlantic-wants-to-cancel-richard-hananias-the-origins-of-woke/#comment-6161710 (#159)

    •�Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It worked this time.
    Wouldn’t let me earlier.

    Thanks.
  80. @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Colin Wright, @slumber_j

    I nominate Admiral Rachel Levine to be president of Harvard. On condition it gets rid of the standard military women’s bun hairstyle and goes back to the shoulder length fright wig.

  81. @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Colin Wright, @slumber_j

    ‘In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.’

    Could work — but I really think it takes a Negro to replace a Negro. That’s the principle here.

    Besides, Israel’s really gone off the deep end. I think the ability of her partisans to intimidate is rapidly declining. They’re going to have to regroup and come back another day.

    •�Replies: @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    How about Dylan Mulvaney as president of Hahvahd? True diversity
  82. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Paleo Liberal


    It tried to hit “Agree” but I fat fingered and got disagree.

    Now I can’t change it.

    “Thank you Mister Cowboy, I’ll take it under advisement.
    HIT IT AGAIN.”

    Former Harvard President Claudine Gay
    Seriously, hit the “Agree” button and see what happens. Magic!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-atlantic-wants-to-cancel-richard-hananias-the-origins-of-woke/#comment-6161710 (#159)

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    It worked this time.
    Wouldn’t let me earlier.

    Thanks.

  83. @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hilarious. Well done Buzz!

    I note that the long beak is on top.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Totem poles are not Aztec. They are NW coastal Indian. Haida, Tlingit, Salish, etc.

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @RAZ, @prosa123, @International Jew
    , @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch


    'What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.'
    As JackD already pointed out, totem poles aren't Aztec -- but that leads me to a totally irrelevant observation.

    The images do look like the Aztecs or someone could have made them -- and don't South American Indian images look about the same?

    Why is that? These are totally distinct cultures, literally a whole continent apart. How come carvings in wood from British Columbian fishermen look like something Olmec corn farmers would have turned out in stone -- but not much like anything from the Old World?

    It's almost enough to make one start thinking in terms of racial consciousness or something.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Anonymous
  84. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    Upthread, commenter Rob Lee: "It’s important to note that while she’s resigning as president, she wasn’t fired outright, so she’ll be returning to her position on the faculty."

    That choice should bring a smile to Chris Rufo, as the plagiarism complaints concern Gay in her role as a member of the Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences. The price of having her return to her cushy academic position is that the Board of Governors' Tar Baby will continue to be "So, you must follow your own procedures."

    Which, as detailed in the linked Free Beacon article, they cannot -- the cost is too high.

    Gay is the gift that keeps on giving.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Neither her resignation letter nor the Corporation’s letter (both surely lawyered up the wazoo) mention the specific reason(s) for her resignation. According to the Corporation’s letter (incidentally, Priztker appears to be the only Jew on the Corporation) “President Gay has acknowledged missteps” without actually saying what they were. If she acknowledged missteps it must have been to the board privately because her resignation letter doesn’t mention any, just that “it is in the best interests of Harvard for me to resign”. At least she doesn’t say it’s to spend more time with her (non-existent) family.

    So, I think that legally speaking, this leaves the plagiarism allegations untouched. The Faculty will either have to process them as they would against any member of the faculty who has been so accused. The last time this came up they gave her an immediate pass (pass first and then the “investigation” later) but I don’t think it’s going to be all that easy this time. Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look. But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look...'
    It's better than looking like a racist. She'll stay -- and (for varying motives), everyone will tacitly agree to not talk about it.

    At Harvard, anyway. One or two will probably drift our way (did I just say 'our'?), though.

    ...at night, with the covers pulled up over their heads.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.
    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Replies: @tyrone, @HammerJack, @Anon, @Jack D, @Twinkie
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D


    But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.
    Since I nailed her resignation, let me now predict that Harvard will slow walk the plagiarism investigation and she will quietly resign her academic position at the end of the academic year, probably to land softly, as you say, at PP or some other liberal sinecure.

    Then again, maybe not. She is quite recognizable with the shorty Afro and big glasses, so she may be radioactive as the public face of even a liberal organization.

    Were I a Harvard student recently accused or convicted of plagiarism, I'd be making some noise.
  85. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    I'm stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Frau Katze

    ‘I’m stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.’

    I’ve said similar — but I really don’t think either Claudine or Kamala are right for the part. Michelle maybe — but not Claudine or Kamala. Claudine’s visage could give an early adolescent nightmares, and Kamala is too obviously phony.

    In general, though, the problem with these people — with blacks in general — is that they’re promoted way past their level of competence. It’s the Peter Principle on Acid, or something.

    ….and of course it’s a vicious circle. Instead of meeting the occasional competent black doctor or bureaucrat and at least qualifying our racism, we have all our darkest suspicions confirmed…decide to give two hundred dollars to the local chapter of the KKK this year.

  86. Mike Tomlin next please. the defendant stands accused of 6 counts of resting on his laurels, 4 counts of egregious misuse of Coach’s challenges, 3 counts of impersonating an NFL Coach (mainly during press conferences), 1 count of tripping a player on another team DURING a game in progress, and a single count of murder of the career of a Hall of Fame player.

    He is hereby found guilty, and sentences the fans to another 10 to 12 years of “Never had a losing season, never won another playoff game either”, to be eligible for release never, or whenever Art Rooney gets tired of this guy, whichever comes first. Court is adjourned.

    •�Replies: @Brutusale
    @prime noticer

    Thanks to his dad, Rooney can't get tired of Tomlin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule
  87. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    From the FreeBeacon article:

    Canon, like several of the scholars Gay has quoted without attribution, insisted that she had done nothing wrong.

    "I am not at all concerned about the passages," Canon told the Washington Free Beacon. "This isn't even close to an example of academic plagiarism."

    I kinda doubt he'd be as lax with his own students. At least the white male ones.

    Replies: @Jack D, @kaganovitch

    Canon, like several of the scholars Gay has quoted without attribution, insisted that she had done nothing wrong.

    Indeed there is a ‘Manchurian Candidate’ “Claudine Gay is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.” odor wafting from these denials.

    •�Agree: ic1000, Twinkie
  88. @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Neither her resignation letter nor the Corporation's letter (both surely lawyered up the wazoo) mention the specific reason(s) for her resignation. According to the Corporation's letter (incidentally, Priztker appears to be the only Jew on the Corporation) "President Gay has acknowledged missteps" without actually saying what they were. If she acknowledged missteps it must have been to the board privately because her resignation letter doesn't mention any, just that "it is in the best interests of Harvard for me to resign". At least she doesn't say it's to spend more time with her (non-existent) family.

    So, I think that legally speaking, this leaves the plagiarism allegations untouched. The Faculty will either have to process them as they would against any member of the faculty who has been so accused. The last time this came up they gave her an immediate pass (pass first and then the "investigation" later) but I don't think it's going to be all that easy this time. Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look. But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob

    ‘…Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look…’

    It’s better than looking like a racist. She’ll stay — and (for varying motives), everyone will tacitly agree to not talk about it.

    At Harvard, anyway. One or two will probably drift our way (did I just say ‘our’?), though.

    …at night, with the covers pulled up over their heads.

  89. We now have proof positive of what should have obvious all along: no amount of diversity Pokemon points will avail against the Israel Lobby.

  90. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It’ll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    The note that David was asked to give to Peggotty reads “Obama Barkis is willing.”

  91. @res
    It is interesting that even Obama could not save her.
    https://jewishinsider.com/2023/12/penny-pritzker-harvard-president-claudine-gay-barack-obama/

    P.S. Really wish Ron would fix the bug about displaying the first comment(s?) in a thread. Does anyone understand what causes it?

    Replies: @Anon, @Meretricious

    It is interesting that even Obama could not save her

    Obama shares the same beliefs as the female antisemite. Is Obama “poweful”? Look at all the negative articles written about him since the end of 2d term–even in the Black Agenda Report. Expect Obama to continue to be #1 @ shuck-and-jive.com

  92. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Colin Wright

    Totem poles are not Aztec. They are NW coastal Indian. Haida, Tlingit, Salish, etc.

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    •�Agree: New Dealer
    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.)
    Nu, perhaps the guy on top of the pole is Mottel Moshkovsky the missionary of bagels and shmeer to the Tlingit? Eat your heart out Lewis and Clark!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Bill Jones
    , @RAZ
    @Jack D


    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.
    Apparently, Lewis and Clark noted that the only well fed looking Indians they found on their Expedition were the NW coastal ones who had it easy food wise.
    , @prosa123
    @Jack D

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them.

    Salmon is the wormiest of all fish.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D
    , @International Jew
    @Jack D



    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs.
    Something doesn't add up; why didn't they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @res
  93. @ic1000
    @That Would Be Telling


    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am...
    [Raised hand in the back of the room]

    "Professor Gay, your two bedrock values are Confronting Hate and Upholding Scholarly Rigor. Could you rank them for us?"

    Replies: @Jack D

    She didn’t say “not necessarily in that order” so I think she already told us which one comes first.

    •�LOL: ic1000
  94. @Adolf Smith
    Old black women don't die,they just fade away.-Claudine Gay

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @cool daddy jimbo

    If only. – Roxanne Gay.

  95. @New Dealer
    What reason did she give for resignation? Choose one.

    Confession of serial plagiarism.
    Wrongly threatening lawsuits against journalists for unfavorable coverage.
    Admission that her academic success depended entirely on her African genes combined with her XX chromosomes.
    Regret for hounding out scholars whose views she wanted to suppress.
    Sorry for excusing pro-Palestinian calls for violence while punishing peaceful speech of anyone to the right of Angela Davis.
    Failing to prepare for her Congressional hearing.
    Foolishly offending major alum donors.
    It was the Jews! The Jews!
    Harvard coming in last on free speech
    Forced to because of racism.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Insufficient Yiddiphilia.

  96. As to who will be installed after Gay. I bet it will be a Jew (prolly the provost). Harvard needs to rein in its Jewish billionaires

    •�Replies: @Renard
    @Meretricious


    Harvard needs to rein in its Jewish billionaires
    You misspelled America
  97. Anonymous[260] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Tristero
    To see how awful Gay was, and how destructive the "race trumps all" ideology is not only for academia but for black education in general, see this short documentary, which details how she sought to destroy the career of a politically incorrect but truly pioneering young black social scientist, Roland Fryer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8xWOlk3WIw

    Replies: @ic1000, @Anonymous

    career of a politically incorrect but truly pioneering young black social scientist, Roland Fryer

    Politically [mildly] incorrect, yes. Apparently, he has a contrarian streak and feels secure enough to display it. “Pioneering”, no. Most of his stuff is plain vanilla obvious and none is appreciably original. Despite the protestations, he too is an affirmative action beneficiary. Without AA, he would be an average econ prof at an average college. Sad but true.

  98. Here’s my (not so) insane conspiracy theory: Israel probably had 110% of their intelligence officers working unlimited overtime to find inconsistencies in her publications just so they could get her out. 🙂

  99. Incredible that there are clowns here that sincerely believe this not about Israel and ONLY Israel, you think that if she did the usual Israel worship any of this would have been noticed?

  100. @Adolf Smith
    Old black women don't die,they just fade away.-Claudine Gay

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @cool daddy jimbo

    This shit will never stop being funny.

  101. Anonymous[307] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin

    The first and final nail in her coffin came shortly after 10/7 when she didn’t come out and say that any criticism of Israel or sympathy for Palestinians digging through rubble to find the bodies of their infants is anti-Semitic hate speech and any student at Harvard who engages in any criticism of Israel— even comments construed as critical— will be immediately expelled and doxxed.

  102. @Hibernian
    @Paleo Liberal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brademas

    John Brademas, NYU (which was in a lot of trouble when it had to abandon its former main campus in the Bronx.)

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @MGB

    Was gonna guess BU.

    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @MGB

    Sounds more like the Great Leap Forward that happened at Northeastern.

    Replies: @Brutusale
  103. @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Neither her resignation letter nor the Corporation's letter (both surely lawyered up the wazoo) mention the specific reason(s) for her resignation. According to the Corporation's letter (incidentally, Priztker appears to be the only Jew on the Corporation) "President Gay has acknowledged missteps" without actually saying what they were. If she acknowledged missteps it must have been to the board privately because her resignation letter doesn't mention any, just that "it is in the best interests of Harvard for me to resign". At least she doesn't say it's to spend more time with her (non-existent) family.

    So, I think that legally speaking, this leaves the plagiarism allegations untouched. The Faculty will either have to process them as they would against any member of the faculty who has been so accused. The last time this came up they gave her an immediate pass (pass first and then the "investigation" later) but I don't think it's going to be all that easy this time. Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look. But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob

    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.

    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    •�Agree: Meretricious
    •�Replies: @tyrone
    @kaganovitch


    it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity
    .Remember how in times of national crisis people would rally around the flag , now it's rally around the negro.
    , @HammerJack
    @kaganovitch


    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.
    You, sir, underestimate the Power of
    Black Black Blackety Black!

    http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1219/9576/products/TSHIRT_0005_BXB-ALT1072BLK_F_BLKTY_1200x1200.jpg?v=1568823946
    , @Anon
    @kaganovitch

    I think it's entirely possible someone found something really bad that has yet to become public, because Gay was hanging in there, and the Harvard board was solidly behind her. This situation reeks of something that was used to lever her out of power.

    Penny Pritzker was Gay's patron. I bet JB Pritzker, who wants to replace Biden in the job of the Presidency, ordered her to cut Gay loose to keep from damaging the Pritzker family name ahead of the election.

    Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn't give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got "lost". So I don't think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there's a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don't. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    , @Twinkie
    @kaganovitch


    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.
    Ideally, you are right, of course. But ideally she should not have been hired in the first place.

    Regardless, she seems to have been a-ok with everyone at Harvard before she didn't condemn forcefully enough Palestinian sympathizers.
  104. @Stan Adams
    So we won't have Claudine Gay to kick around anymore. In the end being a black woman wasn't enough.

    If Gay had been a lesbian like her sister, would she have scored enough extra intersectionality Pokemon points to save her job? Probably not, but one wonders.

    Her interim replacement is ... a Jewish guy.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    In a Boston Globe article I read today, it mentioned that Claudine was the daughter of Haitian immigrants. (Shitholers) I don’t recall any mention of that prior to that article. Am I not paying close enough attention?

    •�Replies: @bomag
    @Jim Bob Lassiter


    ...daughter of Haitian immigrants
    I recall it being mentioned. (I didn't know her sister was a lesbian until this thread.) I imagine press rooms fussed a bit over how much to highlight that angle.

    On one hand, "Black immigrant female out competes all flavor of White for top job" is Narrative ecstasy.

    On the other hand, not being an American descendant of slaves is fraught, so maybe talk around it, and highlight the pictures.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Prester John
  105. That Lisa Randall chick is the one and only female who finished Harvard Math 55

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Randall

    1. “To remove Mayor Marion Barry from the office one must paint him white” – WaPo headline circa 1989…

    2. “To elect Lisa Randall as President of Harvard one must paint her black” – headline never written 😁

  106. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    I'm stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Frau Katze

    I’m stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.

    Kamala is so irritating she would have been bad even there.

    •�LOL: Hibernian
    •�Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Frau Katze

    Kamala would've bee the VP who thinks all the kids love her and thinks she's cool but really only five grade-grubbing suckups and the lesbian gym teacher pretend to like her and every other kid and teacher and janitor loathes her.
  107. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.
    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Replies: @tyrone, @HammerJack, @Anon, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity

    .Remember how in times of national crisis people would rally around the flag , now it’s rally around the negro.

  108. Philippe Lemoine on Twitter:

    There are basically two kinds of censorship at universities: bottom-up censorship of right-wing views due to pressure by professors and students and top-down censorship of anti-Israel views due to pressure by Jewish donors.

    Leftists are right to denounce the latter, but it’s hard not to be struck by their hypocrisy when they not only never denounce but actively support the former, which is far more pervasive.

    Might be Leninism rather than hypocrisy.

  109. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Totem poles are not Aztec. They are NW coastal Indian. Haida, Tlingit, Salish, etc.

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @RAZ, @prosa123, @International Jew

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.)

    Nu, perhaps the guy on top of the pole is Mottel Moshkovsky the missionary of bagels and shmeer to the Tlingit? Eat your heart out Lewis and Clark!

    •�Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch


    Nu, perhaps the guy on top of the pole is Mottel Moshkovsky the missionary of bagels and shmeer to the Tlingit?
    The tribal/Tribal connections forged back then continue:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spaYIeWZfk8
    , @Bill Jones
    @kaganovitch

    But we know, from ChatGTP no less that:

    "The phrase "the bottom of the totem pole" is often used to refer to someone or something in a low or inferior position. However, the original meaning of totem poles in many Native American cultures is quite different. In these cultures, the bottom of the totem pole is actually considered the most important position, as it represents the foundation and support for the rest of the totem pole. "

    So stop short changing the Bagelist.

    The power arrangement in Totems is a rare moment of cultural insight from the Natives, The lowest supports the rest.
  110. Another African American taking gold in a sprint. Diversity is her strength.

  111. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.
    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Replies: @tyrone, @HammerJack, @Anon, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    You, sir, underestimate the Power of
    Black Black Blackety Black!

  112. Anon[345] •�Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.
    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Replies: @tyrone, @HammerJack, @Anon, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    I think it’s entirely possible someone found something really bad that has yet to become public, because Gay was hanging in there, and the Harvard board was solidly behind her. This situation reeks of something that was used to lever her out of power.

    Penny Pritzker was Gay’s patron. I bet JB Pritzker, who wants to replace Biden in the job of the Presidency, ordered her to cut Gay loose to keep from damaging the Pritzker family name ahead of the election.

    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @Anon


    ...to keep from damaging the Pritzker family name...
    The Pritzkers are libel proof IMHO.

    Replies: @Brutusale
  113. Her replacement will surely be a Palestinian rocket scientist with a Ph.D from the University of Gaza.

  114. Does Gay get to keep her PhD even if it is based on a plagiarized thesis? If she does, I’d rate that still a victory for DEI.

    •�Agree: Nicholas Stix
  115. •�Replies: @res
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks. Yet we have a paper with the title (BTW, this cites a paper from Ceballos):
    Extreme inbreeding in a European ancestry sample from the contemporary UK population
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11724-6

    Based on this comment at Steve Hsu's blog the original tweet was deleted over a year ago.
    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2022/11/abdel-abdellaoui-genetics-psychiatric.html#comment-6043136652

    Here is the cited paper from Ceballos.
    Runs of homozygosity: windows into population history and trait architecture
    http://www.biostat.ulg.ac.be/pages/BIM/Theory/ROH_windows_into_population_history_and_trait_architecture_nrg2018.pdf

    Abstract | Long runs of homozygosity (ROH) arise when identical haplotypes are inherited from each parent and thus a long tract of genotypes is homozygous. Cousin marriage or inbreeding gives rise to such autozygosity; however, genome-wide data reveal that ROH are universally common in human genomes even among outbred individuals. The number and length of ROH reflect individual demographic history, while the homozygosity burden can be used to investigate the genetic architecture of complex disease. We discuss how to identify ROH in genome-wide microarray and sequence data, their distribution in human populations and their application to the understanding of inbreeding depression and disease risk.
    In case anyone was uncertain what population he meant in the tweet, I think this offers a clue.

    The distribution of ROH across worldwide populations is structured at many scales from continental to tribal19,38. Analyses of longer and shorter ROH allow populations to be categorized into a number of broad classes that blend into one another (FIG. 2). The first class consists of consanguineous populations — many Muslim communities in Daghestan39, Pakistan and West Asia (for example, Qataris40, Balochis, Makrani, Bedouin and Druze), including Pakistanis in England41 and also the Selkup of Siberia — that have an increased mean SROH and usually increased variance as well. As the relatively small number of very long ROH arising from the recent inbreeding loops influences the sum of ROH much more than the total number, these populations display a ‘right shift’ in the NROH versus SROH graph away from the trend line (FIG. 2b). Long tails in the distributions of SROH, or increased means, are also seen (FIG. 2a).
    Here is reference 41.
    Health and population effects of rare gene knockouts in adult humans with related parents
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aac8624

    Examining complete gene knockouts within a viable organism can inform on gene function. We sequenced the exomes of 3222 British adults of Pakistani heritage with high parental relatedness, discovering 1111 rare-variant homozygous genotypes with predicted loss of function (knockouts) in 781 genes. We observed 13.7% fewer homozygous knockout genotypes than we expected, implying an average load of 1.6 recessive-lethal-equivalent loss-of-function (LOF) variants per adult.
  116. Either the blacks and the lesbians caved to the J*ws or there’s a large payoff/ sinecure she accepted to resign.

    Or, likely, both. Since its the J*ws, not the affirmative action block, that is where the real power (money) is.

    In any event, she did the right thing before by not resigning, but now her resignation means that she will be forever tainted as having “admitted” via resignation to doing bad things. Resignations = confessions in the Marxist woke world.

    Either way, as we learned with George Santos just last year, and as we are learning now with Claudine Gay, there are nine words you must live by these days — or else you will die by them:

    NEVER RESIGN OR APOLOGIZE; AND

    DON’T. CROSS. THE. JEWS.

  117. @Frau Katze
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    I’m stealing this from someone, but Claudine, Kamala, and Michelle Obama would have been solid middle school vice principals.
    Kamala is so irritating she would have been bad even there.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Kamala would’ve bee the VP who thinks all the kids love her and thinks she’s cool but really only five grade-grubbing suckups and the lesbian gym teacher pretend to like her and every other kid and teacher and janitor loathes her.

  118. When someone is out of their depth and doesn’t understand what is going on they will copy what other people in the same environment are saying and doing so that nobody, hopefully, will notice their shortcomings and that they will come across as a regular competent person. Others must have noticed this, particularly when engaged in social interaction with people that are mentally handicapped.

    This woman’s plagiarism is to be explained this way.

  119. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.
    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Replies: @tyrone, @HammerJack, @Anon, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn’t give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got “lost”. So I don’t think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there’s a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don’t. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    •�Thanks: kaganovitch
    •�Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant)
    You should have been a Jesuit.

    Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn’t give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got “lost”. So I don’t think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there’s a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don’t. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    This suggests that the principal purpose of Harvard is to be a club for the right sort, rather than a University or other kind of academic institution. What are scholars with fraudulent scholarship, after all? Her field is evidently "blackety-black-black-black" to borrow a phrase from Derb - it's not a rigorous field and her identity would have been a shield against simply submitting random jargon as her thesis. The fact seems to be that any kind of "blackety-black-black-black" is good enough for Harvard (they're inadvertently admitting here that the field is bunk and that what matters is its political utility).

    Academic dishonesty should be a capital offense at a University like Harvard, and the fact that it isn't, and that prominent members of the faculty have said as much as "I support her despite the facts because the facts were discovered by people I loathe" is damning for the whole enterprise.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze
  120. On one hand, glad to see any high-profile woke POS taken down. Ten million more to go.

    On the other hand, what better mascot for a Woke U than an incompetent negro female?

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
    •�Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @CalCooledge


    On the other hand, what better mascot for a Woke U than an incompetent negro female?
    Oh, she’s still the top mascot (emerita): No one’s going to forget her anytime soon. Also, there’s plenty more like her that are gonna be feeling the heat if Rufo and company keep up the pressure. :)

    Replies: @Colin Wright
  121. @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Neither her resignation letter nor the Corporation's letter (both surely lawyered up the wazoo) mention the specific reason(s) for her resignation. According to the Corporation's letter (incidentally, Priztker appears to be the only Jew on the Corporation) "President Gay has acknowledged missteps" without actually saying what they were. If she acknowledged missteps it must have been to the board privately because her resignation letter doesn't mention any, just that "it is in the best interests of Harvard for me to resign". At least she doesn't say it's to spend more time with her (non-existent) family.

    So, I think that legally speaking, this leaves the plagiarism allegations untouched. The Faculty will either have to process them as they would against any member of the faculty who has been so accused. The last time this came up they gave her an immediate pass (pass first and then the "investigation" later) but I don't think it's going to be all that easy this time. Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look. But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob

    But Claudine keeps her job. Maybe there is some way out where after a decent interval she leaves to become the head of Planned Parenthood or some prestigious but non-academic non-profit.

    Since I nailed her resignation, let me now predict that Harvard will slow walk the plagiarism investigation and she will quietly resign her academic position at the end of the academic year, probably to land softly, as you say, at PP or some other liberal sinecure.

    Then again, maybe not. She is quite recognizable with the shorty Afro and big glasses, so she may be radioactive as the public face of even a liberal organization.

    Were I a Harvard student recently accused or convicted of plagiarism, I’d be making some noise.

  122. Unqualified living political stunts will continue to be hired, nothing has changed, voting will not remove them. There is no awareness on the the part of the elite of what they are doing wrong or that they have done anything wrong. Ellis Items had a wierd editorial, pocked with bizarre ritual Trump hatred, but attempting to sound rational by blaming the Trump phenomenon on government generally being non-responsive. The problem with this incoherent lunatic fever dream is that government is perfectly and admirably responsive regarding the things that drive Trump support. When a corrupt foreign dictator needs more money to buy cocaine or another Swiss mansion, when a malignant dwarf with pedo-face wants unsupervised children to flow freely across the border, when lawbreakers must be protected from the consequences of their actions, when journalists must be intimidated or killed, when poorly thought out war must be dragged on and then given up, when the standard of living must be decreased for those who work, the efficiency of this government can hardly be improved. At one point, the writer criticizes Trump’s hardly-controversial (since we’ve all lived through it) idea that cheap petroleum products help the rest of the economy, by babbling about it probably not being enough to rescue the doomed and already-failing Social Security scam. This is something like saying that anti-Vietnam War protesters are irresponsible because they haven’t proposed a budget for an additional Christmas bombing.
    Let the Green Zone be cut off from groceries and then let’s talk.

  123. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.)
    Nu, perhaps the guy on top of the pole is Mottel Moshkovsky the missionary of bagels and shmeer to the Tlingit? Eat your heart out Lewis and Clark!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Bill Jones

    Nu, perhaps the guy on top of the pole is Mottel Moshkovsky the missionary of bagels and shmeer to the Tlingit?

    The tribal/Tribal connections forged back then continue:

    •�LOL: Twinkie, kaganovitch
  124. @Anon
    @res

    Try reporting bugs here instead: https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions-2/?showcomments#comments

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. My recollection was it had already been reported. It was. Back in 2019. Here is Ron’s response from then.
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-3559212

    Unfortunately, until the first comment has been approved, no comments are visible, including those under moderation. This seems to be a problem with the complex underlying WordPress core we use, and I doubt it can be easily fixed.

    This seems like a decent workaround. Any interest in doing this, Steve?
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-3911799

    Perhaps it would be helpful for all authors to adopt Anatoly Karlin’s practice of always leaving the first comment with a boilerplate statement of commenting guidelines. Then this issue would be avoided.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @res


    This seems like a decent workaround. Any interest in doing this, Steve?
    100%. Karlin had a fine workaround. I don't know why other bloggers don't use it.
  125. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Someone eminently qualified.

  126. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    If they are going to do it right they need to find, checks trend, a Jewish academic. What are the odds? That will leave only 1 Ivy League school without Jewish leadership. Apparently after all this liberal transformation there’s not a single qualified goy, ah Christian, in America who could run a university.

  127. Jewish power strikes again.

  128. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    Don’t worry Jackie boy! As of now, the interim president is a Jewish man – and there’s no doubt a good chance the full term one will be as well. That’s a White guy in your book, eh?

  129. Anonymous[616] •�Disclaimer says:

    Besides her being a black woman, I wonder if her looking like a lesbian and having the surname “Gay” played a role in her getting the job. Because even if she isn’t a lesbian, her appearance and name would lead people to associate Harvard with LGBTQ, if only subconsciously.

  130. RAZ says:
    @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Totem poles are not Aztec. They are NW coastal Indian. Haida, Tlingit, Salish, etc.

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @RAZ, @prosa123, @International Jew

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    Apparently, Lewis and Clark noted that the only well fed looking Indians they found on their Expedition were the NW coastal ones who had it easy food wise.

  131. @Jack D
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The person who made the detailed plagiarism accusations against Gay has chose to remain anonymous because (after Harvard sicced its lawyers on the NY Post) he did not think that Claudine wanted his name only in order to thank him for driving her much harder than she wanted to be driven. (A joke reference to her plagiarized thesis acknowledgement).

    Even worse, the New York Post reports that Gay and Harvard “threatened to use legal means to out who had supplied the comparisons,” a shocking admission that Gay and Harvard sought to
    retaliate against me personally. At one point Gay and Harvard asked the Post, “Why would
    someone making such a complaint be unwilling to attach their name to it?” I was unwilling
    because I feared that Gay and Harvard would violate their policies, behave more like a cartel with a
    hedge fund attached than a university, and try to seek “immense” damages from me and who
    knows what else. Since I’ve answered their lawyer’s stupid question, allow me to ask a reasonable
    question of my own. Why would an institution assessing allegations made in good faith, and
    ultimately substantiated, threaten to use its enormous resources to expose the identity of a
    whistleblower? Did Gay wish to personally thank me for helping her to improve her work even if I
    drove her harder than she wanted to be driven?

    From the anon's latest missive to Harvard, the one that apparently succeeded in pushing her out the door.

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Harvard is where people go to make connections and print credentials. No one goes there to actually learn or have sincere debates. This has probably been true for a long time but in the 2020s it’s completely undeniable.

  132. @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    And it's official, or a resignation letter has been posted to the Official web site.

    ZeroHedge claimed the real thing was from an "AI" prompt "Hey ChatGPT, please write me an overly ornate, rambling, race-baiting resignation letter." and it has gems like:

    Amidst all of this, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and to upholding scholarly rigor—two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am—and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

    Replies: @Augustus, @ic1000, @AndrewR

    We all know DIE will continue to try to march us into hell, but this is the biggest hole in the dam I’ve seen.

  133. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Totem poles are not Aztec. They are NW coastal Indian. Haida, Tlingit, Salish, etc.

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @RAZ, @prosa123, @International Jew

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them.

    Salmon is the wormiest of all fish.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
    @prosa123


    Salmon is the wormiest of all fish.
    What do you mean? What is the significance of this?
    , @Jack D
    @prosa123

    As long as you fully cook the fish they are fine to eat, worms and all. Actually a king salmon is good eats. The coastal Indians would cook the salmon crucified on sticks in front of a fire until it was like leather or jerky and then it would keep indefinitely.
  134. Anonymous[121] •�Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    @Jack D

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them.

    Salmon is the wormiest of all fish.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

    Salmon is the wormiest of all fish.

    What do you mean? What is the significance of this?

  135. Tragic: Hamas Loses Two Leaders In One Day

  136. @prosa123
    @Jack D

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them.

    Salmon is the wormiest of all fish.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

    As long as you fully cook the fish they are fine to eat, worms and all. Actually a king salmon is good eats. The coastal Indians would cook the salmon crucified on sticks in front of a fire until it was like leather or jerky and then it would keep indefinitely.

  137. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn't give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got "lost". So I don't think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there's a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don't. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant)

    You should have been a Jesuit.

    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    You should have been a Jesuit.
    Nothing wrong with that.
  138. The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay’s private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation. This is different than the publicly released version and shows more of her trademark way with (other people’s) words:

    Dear Friends and Colleagues,

    Eight score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we (metaphorically) stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

    But 160 years later, I see no changes. All I see is racist faces. Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. The only time we chill is when we kill each other. It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other. One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interest of Harvard first. Harvard needs a full-time President and a full-time Corporation, particularly at this moment of extraordinary challenge and frightening personal attacks fueled by racial animus.

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation in a period when our entire focus should be on upholding scholarly rigor and confronting hate in all its forms.

    Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at 1:00 p.m. today.

    When I came to power in 2023 my road was clearly mapped out. It had been defined in a struggle, which had put me under an obligation to the Harvard people. The social part of this program meant unifying the Harvard people, overcoming all class and race prejudices, and if necessary, breaking any opposition to this unity. Economically, it meant building a National Harvard economy which appreciated the importance of private initiative, but subordinated the entire economic life to the common interest.

    It was the same in foreign politics. My program was to do away with Versailles. People all over the world should not pretend to be simpletons and act as if I had only discovered this program in 1933, or 1935, or 1937. These gentlemen should only have read what I wrote about myself a thousand times instead of listening to stupid emigre trash. No human being can have stated and written down as often as I what she wanted, and I wrote it again and again: “Away with Versailles!”

    As we welcome a new year and a new semester, I hope we can all look forward to brighter days. Sad as I am to be sending this message, my hopes for Harvard remain undimmed. I’m not talking about blind optimism here. I’m talking about something more substantial. It’s the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs. The hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores. The hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta. The hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for her too.

    When my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity—and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. I promise to never give you up, to never let you down, to never run around and desert you. To never make you cry, never say goodbye, or tell a lie and hurt you. After my picture fades, and darkness has turned to gray, watching through windows, you’re wondering if I’m okay. If you’re lost you can look and you will find me, time after time.

    Sincerely,

    Claudine Gay

    (She/her)

    •�Agree: Pixo
    •�LOL: Robertson
    •�Troll: R.G. Camara
    •�Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves…
    Tranny slaves?

    One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.
    Claudine has had a rough life! Woe is me!

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation…
    I recognize part of that from Winston Churchill’s WW2 speech: “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender…”

    Never accuse Claudine Gay of being original.

    Replies: @Renard, @Robertson
    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    You missed “ What makes this night different from other nights” asked and answered 4 times. And “Our father who art in heaven.”
    , @Robertson
    @Jack D

    I have to tip my cap: that was some of the funniest stuff I've ever read on this website.

    I wish Southpark or A Family Guy would make a recurring character out of her, with her actual face split horizontally while speaking like Southpark's "Terrance and Phillip". They could even give her a statue that gets torn down by Antifa in an episode while the statue begins to speak great quotes like "This is mah finest hour", and "I have yet begun to gripe".

    That face on that broad, her area of study, the academic clothing garb (Google pictures of her at a graduation ceremony.......she looks like some kinda nightmarish priestess of a mystery religion), and all her plagiarism. She is a perfect mirror of Academia in 2024. The angels and demons must chuckle together over her.

    Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    And, of course, this: "Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press. Whoever it is, I wish they'd cut it out quick: but when they will, I can only guess."
  139. Attention Nikole Hannah-Jones, your phone may soon ring.

    •�Replies: @duncsbaby
    @From Beer to Paternity

    It's only a matter of time before we get the first article from Hannah or one of her ilk saying this has been a high-tech lynching. Or is that phrase verboten since it was used originally by Clarence Thomas?

    Replies: @bomag
  140. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I'm sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of "black people" and "highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials" has small to no overlap. If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists - something like that.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Veracitor, @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap.

    Glenn Loury? He even taught at Harvard once. And Glenn can actually do math (and have written peer-reviewed articles in economics, probably the most rigorous of the social sciences). Yeah, I know that’s not gonna happen.

    If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists – something like that.

    Whatever the ethnicity of the new head of Harvard, the lesson is simple: “don’t be demure about smiting the enemies of the Jews.”

    So, contrary to your assertions otherwise, Jews do beat blacks (and black homosexuals) in the racial Pokemon totem pole, huh?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn’t again?

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    black homosexuals
    Who is the black homosexual in this soap opera?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn’t again?
    “Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice”

    Since we don't know who was the anon who kept sending in fresh plagiarism allegations, we don't know if it was Da Joos that got her. In any case, she apparently gets to keep a $900k salary so she shouldn't be all broken up about this.

    Can't say the same for Saleh Arouri.

    https://twitter.com/Syribelle/status/1742223460951089360/video/1

    Ya think YOU had a bad day, infidel? I'll show you a bad day!

    Replies: @newrouter, @Renard, @Twinkie
  141. @res
    @Anon

    Thanks. My recollection was it had already been reported. It was. Back in 2019. Here is Ron's response from then.
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-3559212

    Unfortunately, until the first comment has been approved, no comments are visible, including those under moderation. This seems to be a problem with the complex underlying WordPress core we use, and I doubt it can be easily fixed.
    This seems like a decent workaround. Any interest in doing this, Steve?
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/bugs-suggestions/#comment-3911799

    Perhaps it would be helpful for all authors to adopt Anatoly Karlin’s practice of always leaving the first comment with a boilerplate statement of commenting guidelines. Then this issue would be avoided.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    This seems like a decent workaround. Any interest in doing this, Steve?

    100%. Karlin had a fine workaround. I don’t know why other bloggers don’t use it.

  142. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn't give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got "lost". So I don't think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there's a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don't. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn’t give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got “lost”. So I don’t think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there’s a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don’t. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    This suggests that the principal purpose of Harvard is to be a club for the right sort, rather than a University or other kind of academic institution. What are scholars with fraudulent scholarship, after all? Her field is evidently “blackety-black-black-black” to borrow a phrase from Derb – it’s not a rigorous field and her identity would have been a shield against simply submitting random jargon as her thesis. The fact seems to be that any kind of “blackety-black-black-black” is good enough for Harvard (they’re inadvertently admitting here that the field is bunk and that what matters is its political utility).

    Academic dishonesty should be a capital offense at a University like Harvard, and the fact that it isn’t, and that prominent members of the faculty have said as much as “I support her despite the facts because the facts were discovered by people I loathe” is damning for the whole enterprise.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling is going on in here!


    https://youtu.be/vxnpY0owPkA?t=25

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Blodgie
    , @Frau Katze
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Her field is evidently “blackety-black-black-black” to borrow a phrase from Derb – it’s not a rigorous field…
    According to Wikipedia she was formerly the Wilbur A. Cowett Professor of Government and of African and African-American Studies.

    A few of her publications:


    "Doubly Bound: The Impact of Gender and Race on the Politics of Black Women", Political Psychology, co-authored with Katherine Tate

    "The Effect of Black Congressional Representation on Political Participation", American Political Science Review

    "Putting Race in Context: Identifying the Environmental Determinants of Black Racial Attitudes", American Political Science Review
    What Derb said.

    Replies: @Alden
  143. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    Probably they will give her ANOTHER pass (some of the latest people she plagiarized from have already written to say that what she did was totally fine and not plagiarism even though it was ) but that will just leave them looking like corrupt idiots, not a good look.
    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Replies: @tyrone, @HammerJack, @Anon, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    It would appear that there is substantial reason to think that she falsified data in her Doc. thesis. If that turns out to be the case, it is doubtful that she could survive at Harvard in any capacity.

    Ideally, you are right, of course. But ideally she should not have been hired in the first place.

    Regardless, she seems to have been a-ok with everyone at Harvard before she didn’t condemn forcefully enough Palestinian sympathizers.

  144. @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sort of sad to see Gay go. Having the establishment's face be these embarassing clowns (Gay, Biden, Harris, etc.) is overall, i think, a good thing. But I am glad not to have to look at her. Minoritarianism is not just toxic and destructive but really ugly.


    This does highlight that there are separate totem poles.


    Blacks are--AFAICT--atop the oppression totem pole. Jews have their holocaust and they can green-light another 50 holocaust pics. But that was far away (and now long ago). American Jews--rather wisely--used blacks and their experience in America--slavery, Jim Crow--as the cudgel to beat on whites and the American nation. (The smarter, savvier Jews aware that their own "oppression" in America was a complete joke, no matter how it animates the true believers.) So oppression wise, blacks have the top hand. Jews, QWERTY people, muzzies, assorted immigrants are behind. And that is only very slowly ebbing.

    But on the power totem pole, blacks are complete non-entities. They produce nothing, have no wealth, no skill dominance (outside sports) and control nothing--except some black majority (dump) cities. Prominent blacks in elite institutions are there courtesy of whites--AA. On the power totem pole, Jews are on top.

    Even in the Parasite Party where black votes matter--same story. While black votes saved Biden, but we got him because Jewish money guys didn't want one of the progressives and threw their $$$ behind Biden. And the Biden Administration is an almost wholly Jewish operation with a few black tokens.


    This situation will evolve with the demographic changes. There are many more Asians--including some highly competent groups--than Jews. And the legacy American--Anglo-Protestant-- deference to Jews and their holocaust narrative, Israel, etc. won't be there. More like sharp elbows of competing elite groups. And, of course, with the Latinization there will be a whole lot less of the traditional American interest in/deference to blacks and their narrative. To Latinos--and Asians-- they're just a pain-in-the-ass underclass/criminal group.

    Replies: @Truth, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    This does highlight that there are separate totem poles.

    I don’t think this is quite right – it’s rather that multiple parties have been promised the same high position on the totem pole, and the genius of the Democrats’ coalition lies in avoiding conflicts between two or more parties believing themselves to occupy a position higher than the other. Steve points out that a way that this is done is to scapegoat straight white males when the conflicts cannot be totally avoided.

    Jews are good coalition participants here because they understand the game and permit unprincipled exceptions from time to time when there is a brewing conflict with blacks – the blacks get a trophy that says “#1 Top Totem Pole Sitter World Champions” and the Jews quietly get the policy or treatment they wanted all along when the conflict has cooled and is forgotten.

    •�Agree: Renard
  145. Rufo isn’t mentioned in the New York Times piece about this until paragraph 22.

  146. OT — Dr John Campbell has a youtube channel on medicine.
    How it started: conventionally credentialled medical expert starts a youtube channel to explain medical things.
    Then the lockdown happens. Then he starts reading things.
    How it’s going: Covid Grampa learns to recite, “Ka nama kaa lajerama.”

  147. Harvard puts it’s own spin on “Don’t say Gay”

  148. For general interest the leftist readers of NYT aren’t impressed with Claudine Gay. This comment got 1400 recommends:

    Why did it take so long, and how was somebody with such minimal qualifications ever appointed to this highly prestigious position?

    Seems like the board should also be removed for allowing this to happen and supporting her through clear and abundant accusations of plagiarism.

    Another:

    I work at a university. For over 40 years, I have been on many faculty tenure committees. I have not seen such a weak academic credentials in a candidate – 11 publications? Out of such few publications, so many accusations of plagiarism (irrespective of whether they came from conservative sources)?

    She has made it so much more difficult for all future minority candidates. She should have resigned at the first accusation of plagiarism, not after so much of resistance.

    There’s a few bleating about “would this have happened to a white Christian man?” but they’re not getting many recommends.

  149. Anonymous[146] •�Disclaimer says:

    This just in: Most of a Colombian family of immigrants of questionable status were deported off this mortal plane New Year’s Eve.

    Likely by another illegal doing what illegals do: Driving away from the scene of their accident.

    Seems like an excessive number of car deaths this year.

  150. @Jack D
    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay's private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation. This is different than the publicly released version and shows more of her trademark way with (other people's) words:

    Dear Friends and Colleagues,

    Eight score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we (metaphorically) stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

    But 160 years later, I see no changes. All I see is racist faces. Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. The only time we chill is when we kill each other. It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other. One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interest of Harvard first. Harvard needs a full-time President and a full-time Corporation, particularly at this moment of extraordinary challenge and frightening personal attacks fueled by racial animus.

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation in a period when our entire focus should be on upholding scholarly rigor and confronting hate in all its forms.

    Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at 1:00 p.m. today.

    When I came to power in 2023 my road was clearly mapped out. It had been defined in a struggle, which had put me under an obligation to the Harvard people. The social part of this program meant unifying the Harvard people, overcoming all class and race prejudices, and if necessary, breaking any opposition to this unity. Economically, it meant building a National Harvard economy which appreciated the importance of private initiative, but subordinated the entire economic life to the common interest.

    It was the same in foreign politics. My program was to do away with Versailles. People all over the world should not pretend to be simpletons and act as if I had only discovered this program in 1933, or 1935, or 1937. These gentlemen should only have read what I wrote about myself a thousand times instead of listening to stupid emigre trash. No human being can have stated and written down as often as I what she wanted, and I wrote it again and again: "Away with Versailles!"

    As we welcome a new year and a new semester, I hope we can all look forward to brighter days. Sad as I am to be sending this message, my hopes for Harvard remain undimmed. I'm not talking about blind optimism here. I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs. The hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores. The hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta. The hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for her too.

    When my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity—and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. I promise to never give you up, to never let you down, to never run around and desert you. To never make you cry, never say goodbye, or tell a lie and hurt you. After my picture fades, and darkness has turned to gray, watching through windows, you're wondering if I'm okay. If you're lost you can look and you will find me, time after time.

    Sincerely,

    Claudine Gay

    (She/her)

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Robertson, @Gary in Gramercy

    This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves…

    Tranny slaves?

    One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    Claudine has had a rough life! Woe is me!

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation…

    I recognize part of that from Winston Churchill’s WW2 speech: “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender…”

    Never accuse Claudine Gay of being original.

    •�Replies: @Renard
    @Frau Katze

    In post after post, you show yourself to be in way over your head here. Carry on.
    , @Robertson
    @Frau Katze

    Jack's entry was comic gold. Thats obviously not her letter, but his parody of what she might really want to write if she thought she could get away with it. . The last paragraph he has Gay quote 80's pop stars Rick Astley and Cyndi Lauper (hilariously in my opinion). As much as I've disagreed with Jack on some stuff, that faux resignation letter was hysterical.

    Replies: @duncsbaby
  151. She was set up like a motherfucker.

  152. The President of Harvard?

    Fake and Gay.

  153. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    The Ven diagram of “black people” and “highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials” has small to no overlap.
    Glenn Loury? He even taught at Harvard once. And Glenn can actually do math (and have written peer-reviewed articles in economics, probably the most rigorous of the social sciences). Yeah, I know that's not gonna happen.

    If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists – something like that.
    Whatever the ethnicity of the new head of Harvard, the lesson is simple: "don't be demure about smiting the enemies of the Jews."

    So, contrary to your assertions otherwise, Jews do beat blacks (and black homosexuals) in the racial Pokemon totem pole, huh?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn't again?

    Replies: @Jack D

    black homosexuals

    Who is the black homosexual in this soap opera?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn’t again?

    “Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice”

    Since we don’t know who was the anon who kept sending in fresh plagiarism allegations, we don’t know if it was Da Joos that got her. In any case, she apparently gets to keep a $900k salary so she shouldn’t be all broken up about this.

    Can’t say the same for Saleh Arouri.

    https://twitter.com/Syribelle/status/1742223460951089360/video/1

    Ya think YOU had a bad day, infidel? I’ll show you a bad day!

    •�Replies: @newrouter
    @Jack D

    Screw your "Jewish 'Country' Clubs/Ivy League"
    , @Renard
    @Jack D


    we don’t know if it was Da Joos that got her
    Good one!

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/AFpost/status/1742266631827456239?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1742266631827456239%7Ctwgr%5Ed20f3a2f3e8099cb9409c07bcf4f63ae918ed2a0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fisteve%2Fmy-new-takis-column-pedestrian-logic%2F

    How do you like to be wrong all the time? Feel free to resume your Jewish triumphalism at any time.

    Replies: @Art Deco
  154. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    black homosexuals
    Who is the black homosexual in this soap opera?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn’t again?
    “Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice”

    Since we don't know who was the anon who kept sending in fresh plagiarism allegations, we don't know if it was Da Joos that got her. In any case, she apparently gets to keep a $900k salary so she shouldn't be all broken up about this.

    Can't say the same for Saleh Arouri.

    https://twitter.com/Syribelle/status/1742223460951089360/video/1

    Ya think YOU had a bad day, infidel? I'll show you a bad day!

    Replies: @newrouter, @Renard, @Twinkie

    Screw your “Jewish ‘Country’ Clubs/Ivy League”

  155. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn’t give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got “lost”. So I don’t think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there’s a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don’t. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    This suggests that the principal purpose of Harvard is to be a club for the right sort, rather than a University or other kind of academic institution. What are scholars with fraudulent scholarship, after all? Her field is evidently "blackety-black-black-black" to borrow a phrase from Derb - it's not a rigorous field and her identity would have been a shield against simply submitting random jargon as her thesis. The fact seems to be that any kind of "blackety-black-black-black" is good enough for Harvard (they're inadvertently admitting here that the field is bunk and that what matters is its political utility).

    Academic dishonesty should be a capital offense at a University like Harvard, and the fact that it isn't, and that prominent members of the faculty have said as much as "I support her despite the facts because the facts were discovered by people I loathe" is damning for the whole enterprise.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze

    I’m shocked, shocked to find gambling is going on in here!

    •�Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D

    Fair enough but Rick's Cafe Americain doesn't get an automatic annual appropriation from Congress, nor are its sales tax exempt.
    , @Blodgie
    @Jack D

    Such a hoary cliche!

    Stop.
  156. The only reason Gay is gone is because she wasn’t sufficiently deferential to the people who wanted her to clamp down on the pro-Palestinian protests at Harvard. That’s it.

  157. @res
    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon, @JohnnyD

    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    How about Lindsey Graham? He has all the qualifications – he can suck a matzah ball through a garden hose.

    That’d be a win for the people of South Carolina and the Nation.

  158. Anonymous[374] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    What’s amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway.

    What do you know about academic plagiarism? Anything at all? You were wrong about Penn’s rules on speech and expression. One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    •�Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anonymous


    One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    This means nothing. Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn't 'rise to the level'.

    Gay's plagiarism was wide-ranging and systematically executed. There's no possibility she didn't know what she was doing. It's also very likely her dissertation supervisor knew, and certainly possible others (such as journal reviewers) did as well.

    Whether or not it was the plagiarism or the congressional testimony that got her pushed out of her job is immaterial to the question of whether or not she plagiarized. She absolutely did. She just never expected -- for extremely good reasons -- that she would be held to the same standards as non-black scholars in her field.

    Replies: @res
    , @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    Even diploma mills (I got a Master's in Project Management from one.) have clear plagiarism policies, although they're not enforced. (One instructor preached against plagiarism and then dropped hints about how to get away with it.) Changing a few words is pointless; even if you truly put it in your own words you need to footnote it. If it's a direct quote (Don't have too many of these.) you need to use quotation marks and include a footnote. There are other rules as well.

    As I said, my diploma mill (De Vry) was lax about these things. Don't let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League. It's not OK for anyone really. Why should employers hire a cheater?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anonymous
  159. “Old soldiers never die—they just fade away.”

    ~from Claudine Gay’s resignation letter

  160. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves…
    Tranny slaves?

    One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.
    Claudine has had a rough life! Woe is me!

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation…
    I recognize part of that from Winston Churchill’s WW2 speech: “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender…”

    Never accuse Claudine Gay of being original.

    Replies: @Renard, @Robertson

    In post after post, you show yourself to be in way over your head here. Carry on.

  161. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    black homosexuals
    Who is the black homosexual in this soap opera?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn’t again?
    “Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice”

    Since we don't know who was the anon who kept sending in fresh plagiarism allegations, we don't know if it was Da Joos that got her. In any case, she apparently gets to keep a $900k salary so she shouldn't be all broken up about this.

    Can't say the same for Saleh Arouri.

    https://twitter.com/Syribelle/status/1742223460951089360/video/1

    Ya think YOU had a bad day, infidel? I'll show you a bad day!

    Replies: @newrouter, @Renard, @Twinkie

    we don’t know if it was Da Joos that got her

    Good one!

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Renard

    Rufo says that he and conservatives did it - they SCALPED her.

    https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1742538418628727061/photo/2

    The AP tweets that's racis'. Everyone knows that white settler colonialists scalped the Native Americans!

    Stefanik is also claiming credit.

    Success has 1,000 fathers, failure is an orphan.

    MSM consensus is that the Conservatives dun it but the Men of Unz don't want to claim credit, prefer to give it to the all powerful Joos.

    Replies: @Stan Adams
  162. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/90/bb/2590bb5cd58f7948aa7531eaa1d7b53c.jpg

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @vinteuil, @Reg Cæsar

    The Northwest Indian nations divide themselves into Eagle and Raven clans. So if it is wrong for the Washington Football Team to use an Indian mascot, why is it permissible for their two closest rivals?

    (Eugenic addendum: under tribal law, one can only marry someone from the other clan.)

    •�Agree: bomag
  163. @res
    On to the next question. Who will be her replacement?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon, @JohnnyD

    I’m going to be bold and predict it won’t be a WASP.

  164. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant) but nothing more seems to be happening with the data allegations. She didn’t give up her data at the time that it was questioned and enough years have passed that she can say that the data no longer exists. That it got “lost”. So I don’t think they are going to be able to pin her on that.

    You have to understand that there’s a big difference between what happens when they WANT to get you and when they don’t. The faculty already views this as an attack from outside the university and by hated conservatives so this is very much the latter. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this (but that was true of the Corporation also). Ultimately, as much as they love her, the University is more important than any individual, even a black female one, and if she becomes a liability there will come a point where they have to throw her overboard regardless, as the Corporation just did.

    This suggests that the principal purpose of Harvard is to be a club for the right sort, rather than a University or other kind of academic institution. What are scholars with fraudulent scholarship, after all? Her field is evidently "blackety-black-black-black" to borrow a phrase from Derb - it's not a rigorous field and her identity would have been a shield against simply submitting random jargon as her thesis. The fact seems to be that any kind of "blackety-black-black-black" is good enough for Harvard (they're inadvertently admitting here that the field is bunk and that what matters is its political utility).

    Academic dishonesty should be a capital offense at a University like Harvard, and the fact that it isn't, and that prominent members of the faculty have said as much as "I support her despite the facts because the facts were discovered by people I loathe" is damning for the whole enterprise.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze

    Her field is evidently “blackety-black-black-black” to borrow a phrase from Derb – it’s not a rigorous field…

    According to Wikipedia she was formerly the Wilbur A. Cowett Professor of Government and of African and African-American Studies.

    A few of her publications:

    “Doubly Bound: The Impact of Gender and Race on the Politics of Black Women”, Political Psychology, co-authored with Katherine Tate

    “The Effect of Black Congressional Representation on Political Participation”, American Political Science Review

    “Putting Race in Context: Identifying the Environmental Determinants of Black Racial Attitudes”, American Political Science Review

    What Derb said.

    •�Replies: @Alden
    @Frau Katze

    “Doubly bound” the genius reveals the astounding fact that black women are both female sex and black race.

    Her black congress critters blather was an astonishing discovery. Something no one, anywhere, ever , thought of. The more black voters there are in a congressional district the more likely they will elect a black congress critter. Galileo Copernicus Einstein; she surpasses them all.

    “Putting race in context “ more idiocy piled higher and deeper.
  165. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Arclight

    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now. I'll leave it at that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now.

    At 93, Soros was conspicuously absent from the predictions of the next year’s passings.

    And how sharp can this Eye be? My grandmother lived to 93 and owned up to five houses in Florida. At her demise, there were only two left. We suspect the others were sold to fund multiple cataract surgeries.

    The younger Soroses are active, but show the same regression to the mean as the Fords, Rockefellers, etc.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    2 is the maximum number of cataract surgeries (one per eye). Once they have removed both of your natural lenses there's nothing left to remove.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    The younger Soroses are active, but show the same regression to the mean as the Fords, Rockefellers, etc.
    The Old Man's money will still have quite a reach. He'll be f**king up western societies from beyond the grave.
  166. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now.
    At 93, Soros was conspicuously absent from the predictions of the next year's passings.

    And how sharp can this Eye be? My grandmother lived to 93 and owned up to five houses in Florida. At her demise, there were only two left. We suspect the others were sold to fund multiple cataract surgeries.


    The younger Soroses are active, but show the same regression to the mean as the Fords, Rockefellers, etc.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    2 is the maximum number of cataract surgeries (one per eye). Once they have removed both of your natural lenses there’s nothing left to remove.

  167. @Frau Katze
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Her field is evidently “blackety-black-black-black” to borrow a phrase from Derb – it’s not a rigorous field…
    According to Wikipedia she was formerly the Wilbur A. Cowett Professor of Government and of African and African-American Studies.

    A few of her publications:


    "Doubly Bound: The Impact of Gender and Race on the Politics of Black Women", Political Psychology, co-authored with Katherine Tate

    "The Effect of Black Congressional Representation on Political Participation", American Political Science Review

    "Putting Race in Context: Identifying the Environmental Determinants of Black Racial Attitudes", American Political Science Review
    What Derb said.

    Replies: @Alden

    “Doubly bound” the genius reveals the astounding fact that black women are both female sex and black race.

    Her black congress critters blather was an astonishing discovery. Something no one, anywhere, ever , thought of. The more black voters there are in a congressional district the more likely they will elect a black congress critter. Galileo Copernicus Einstein; she surpasses them all.

    “Putting race in context “ more idiocy piled higher and deeper.

  168. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Colin Wright

    ‘What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.’

    As JackD already pointed out, totem poles aren’t Aztec — but that leads me to a totally irrelevant observation.

    The images do look like the Aztecs or someone could have made them — and don’t South American Indian images look about the same?

    Why is that? These are totally distinct cultures, literally a whole continent apart. How come carvings in wood from British Columbian fishermen look like something Olmec corn farmers would have turned out in stone — but not much like anything from the Old World?

    It’s almost enough to make one start thinking in terms of racial consciousness or something.

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Colin Wright


    Why is that? These are totally distinct cultures, literally a whole continent apart. How come carvings in wood from British Columbian fishermen look like something Olmec corn farmers would have turned out in stone — but not much like anything from the Old World?
    What can I say? Moshkovsky had a really long peddling route..
    , @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright

    Why do you assume people living in central Mexico would be unaware of people living in the Pacific Northwest? That's about a month of travel by foot with no big rivers or mountains in the way. There was probably trade between the two peoples (though probably though intermediaries rather than directly.)

    A more interesting question is whether the Maya and Aztecs were aware of each other. The geographic obstacles are much greater and American Indians had no shipbuilding technology that I'm aware of.

    Replies: @duncsbaby
  169. @Jack D
    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay's private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation. This is different than the publicly released version and shows more of her trademark way with (other people's) words:

    Dear Friends and Colleagues,

    Eight score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we (metaphorically) stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

    But 160 years later, I see no changes. All I see is racist faces. Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. The only time we chill is when we kill each other. It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other. One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interest of Harvard first. Harvard needs a full-time President and a full-time Corporation, particularly at this moment of extraordinary challenge and frightening personal attacks fueled by racial animus.

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation in a period when our entire focus should be on upholding scholarly rigor and confronting hate in all its forms.

    Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at 1:00 p.m. today.

    When I came to power in 2023 my road was clearly mapped out. It had been defined in a struggle, which had put me under an obligation to the Harvard people. The social part of this program meant unifying the Harvard people, overcoming all class and race prejudices, and if necessary, breaking any opposition to this unity. Economically, it meant building a National Harvard economy which appreciated the importance of private initiative, but subordinated the entire economic life to the common interest.

    It was the same in foreign politics. My program was to do away with Versailles. People all over the world should not pretend to be simpletons and act as if I had only discovered this program in 1933, or 1935, or 1937. These gentlemen should only have read what I wrote about myself a thousand times instead of listening to stupid emigre trash. No human being can have stated and written down as often as I what she wanted, and I wrote it again and again: "Away with Versailles!"

    As we welcome a new year and a new semester, I hope we can all look forward to brighter days. Sad as I am to be sending this message, my hopes for Harvard remain undimmed. I'm not talking about blind optimism here. I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs. The hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores. The hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta. The hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for her too.

    When my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity—and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. I promise to never give you up, to never let you down, to never run around and desert you. To never make you cry, never say goodbye, or tell a lie and hurt you. After my picture fades, and darkness has turned to gray, watching through windows, you're wondering if I'm okay. If you're lost you can look and you will find me, time after time.

    Sincerely,

    Claudine Gay

    (She/her)

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Robertson, @Gary in Gramercy

    You missed “ What makes this night different from other nights” asked and answered 4 times. And “Our father who art in heaven.”

  170. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves…
    Tranny slaves?

    One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.
    Claudine has had a rough life! Woe is me!

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation…
    I recognize part of that from Winston Churchill’s WW2 speech: “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender…”

    Never accuse Claudine Gay of being original.

    Replies: @Renard, @Robertson

    Jack’s entry was comic gold. Thats obviously not her letter, but his parody of what she might really want to write if she thought she could get away with it. . The last paragraph he has Gay quote 80’s pop stars Rick Astley and Cyndi Lauper (hilariously in my opinion). As much as I’ve disagreed with Jack on some stuff, that faux resignation letter was hysterical.

    •�Agree: Alden
    •�Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Robertson

    I know Jack seems to be taking credit for this one by not putting it in quotes but the faux resignation letter is from the Free Becon.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/exclusive-read-claudine-gays-private-resignation-letter-to-the-harvard-board/

    Replies: @Twinkie
  171. @Jack D
    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay's private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation. This is different than the publicly released version and shows more of her trademark way with (other people's) words:

    Dear Friends and Colleagues,

    Eight score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we (metaphorically) stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

    But 160 years later, I see no changes. All I see is racist faces. Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. The only time we chill is when we kill each other. It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other. One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interest of Harvard first. Harvard needs a full-time President and a full-time Corporation, particularly at this moment of extraordinary challenge and frightening personal attacks fueled by racial animus.

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation in a period when our entire focus should be on upholding scholarly rigor and confronting hate in all its forms.

    Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at 1:00 p.m. today.

    When I came to power in 2023 my road was clearly mapped out. It had been defined in a struggle, which had put me under an obligation to the Harvard people. The social part of this program meant unifying the Harvard people, overcoming all class and race prejudices, and if necessary, breaking any opposition to this unity. Economically, it meant building a National Harvard economy which appreciated the importance of private initiative, but subordinated the entire economic life to the common interest.

    It was the same in foreign politics. My program was to do away with Versailles. People all over the world should not pretend to be simpletons and act as if I had only discovered this program in 1933, or 1935, or 1937. These gentlemen should only have read what I wrote about myself a thousand times instead of listening to stupid emigre trash. No human being can have stated and written down as often as I what she wanted, and I wrote it again and again: "Away with Versailles!"

    As we welcome a new year and a new semester, I hope we can all look forward to brighter days. Sad as I am to be sending this message, my hopes for Harvard remain undimmed. I'm not talking about blind optimism here. I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs. The hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores. The hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta. The hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for her too.

    When my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity—and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. I promise to never give you up, to never let you down, to never run around and desert you. To never make you cry, never say goodbye, or tell a lie and hurt you. After my picture fades, and darkness has turned to gray, watching through windows, you're wondering if I'm okay. If you're lost you can look and you will find me, time after time.

    Sincerely,

    Claudine Gay

    (She/her)

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Robertson, @Gary in Gramercy

    I have to tip my cap: that was some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever read on this website.

    I wish Southpark or A Family Guy would make a recurring character out of her, with her actual face split horizontally while speaking like Southpark’s “Terrance and Phillip”. They could even give her a statue that gets torn down by Antifa in an episode while the statue begins to speak great quotes like “This is mah finest hour”, and “I have yet begun to gripe”.

    That face on that broad, her area of study, the academic clothing garb (Google pictures of her at a graduation ceremony…….she looks like some kinda nightmarish priestess of a mystery religion), and all her plagiarism. She is a perfect mirror of Academia in 2024. The angels and demons must chuckle together over her.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Robertson


    I have to tip my cap: that was some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever read on this website.
    That’s not his original work. He copied that from a publication and made it seem like it was his writing.

    Replies: @Jack D
  172. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Totem poles are not Aztec. They are NW coastal Indian. Haida, Tlingit, Salish, etc.

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.) There were large animals like deer, elk and mountain goats in the forests and mountains. They hunted large sea mammals like seals and sea lions and even whales in the ocean. This left them with a lot of time to do other things like carve enormous totem poles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @RAZ, @prosa123, @International Jew

    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs.

    Something doesn’t add up; why didn’t they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @International Jew


    'Something doesn’t add up; why didn’t they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?'
    I'd guess war, particularly as there wouldn't be much to do in between salmon runs. And the importance of those salmon runs would make competition for prime fishing spots extremely intense.

    Then too, there might have been periodic famine in any years that the salmon failed to run in sufficient quantity. A dry year, the river's low and warm, no Fall salmon run -- everyone dies.

    Salmon just won't come upriver until the water's cool enough. If, say, you get an unusually dry, warm Fall, well...
    , @kaganovitch
    @International Jew


    Something doesn’t add up; why didn’t they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?
    Yet more evidence for the Moshkovsky hypothesis.
    , @res
    @International Jew

    An excellent question. I would be interested in a good answer.
  173. “Harvard President Claudine Gay will resign Tuesday afternoon, bringing an end to the shortest presidency in the University’s history, according to a person with knowledge of the decision.”

    Horrible, horrible English, and from the Harvard Crimson no less.

  174. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Garber is the INTERIM replacement. It's possible that they will make him the permanent president but unlikely.

    In the Harvard Corporation's letter accepting her resignation, they take one last snipe at the dirty racists who brought her down. Gay will keep her faculty appointment which seems strange if the reason for her resignation is {admitted - see below} plagiarism.

    While President Gay has acknowledged missteps {not really} and has taken responsibility for them, it is also true that she has shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. While some of this has played out in the public domain, much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at her through disgraceful emails and phone calls. We condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Who the hell is making racist attacks by phone? Is their a burner phone network in use by all those alt-right scoundrels? Or are we to believe that these scoundrels are using their own personal phones to make racist phone calls to Harvard? Come clean Men of Unz, what’s up w/the phone calls?! Email is where it’s at, daddy-o.

    •�Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @duncsbaby


    Who the hell is making racist attacks by phone? Is their a burner phone network in use by all those alt-right scoundrels?
    Caller ID is about as easy to spoof as setting up a burner email account. See all the SWATing cases, which are hitting more Important People and thus the AP theorizes the Deep State might start to get serious about it, or at least for those people. Personally, I long ago set my Skype backup "telephone" account's caller ID to my primary cell phone number.

    But, yes, as several have noted here, it's all the [fill in the blank] Right's and/or white (mens') fault, whomever is actually doing stuff from finding her plagiarism, bringing up her previous to October 7th well noted grave academic misconduct, to we can be sure (((harassment))) post-October 7th. And, hey, there are white philo-Semites who might have joined in the latter.
  175. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Chris Rufo is very much in the Eye of Soros right now.
    At 93, Soros was conspicuously absent from the predictions of the next year's passings.

    And how sharp can this Eye be? My grandmother lived to 93 and owned up to five houses in Florida. At her demise, there were only two left. We suspect the others were sold to fund multiple cataract surgeries.


    The younger Soroses are active, but show the same regression to the mean as the Fords, Rockefellers, etc.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    The younger Soroses are active, but show the same regression to the mean as the Fords, Rockefellers, etc.

    The Old Man’s money will still have quite a reach. He’ll be f**king up western societies from beyond the grave.

  176. @Meretricious
    As to who will be installed after Gay. I bet it will be a Jew (prolly the provost). Harvard needs to rein in its Jewish billionaires

    Replies: @Renard

    Harvard needs to rein in its Jewish billionaires

    You misspelled America

  177. @International Jew
    @Jack D



    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs.
    Something doesn't add up; why didn't they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @res

    ‘Something doesn’t add up; why didn’t they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?’

    I’d guess war, particularly as there wouldn’t be much to do in between salmon runs. And the importance of those salmon runs would make competition for prime fishing spots extremely intense.

    Then too, there might have been periodic famine in any years that the salmon failed to run in sufficient quantity. A dry year, the river’s low and warm, no Fall salmon run — everyone dies.

    Salmon just won’t come upriver until the water’s cool enough. If, say, you get an unusually dry, warm Fall, well…

  178. @Jack D
    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay's private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation. This is different than the publicly released version and shows more of her trademark way with (other people's) words:

    Dear Friends and Colleagues,

    Eight score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we (metaphorically) stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Black and LGBTQIA2S+ slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

    But 160 years later, I see no changes. All I see is racist faces. Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races. The only time we chill is when we kill each other. It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other. One hundred and sixty years later, the Person of Color is still languished in the corners of American society and finds herself in exile in her own land. And so I have written you today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interest of Harvard first. Harvard needs a full-time President and a full-time Corporation, particularly at this moment of extraordinary challenge and frightening personal attacks fueled by racial animus.

    To continue to fight—on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the fields and in the streets, whatever the cost may be—for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Corporation in a period when our entire focus should be on upholding scholarly rigor and confronting hate in all its forms.

    Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at 1:00 p.m. today.

    When I came to power in 2023 my road was clearly mapped out. It had been defined in a struggle, which had put me under an obligation to the Harvard people. The social part of this program meant unifying the Harvard people, overcoming all class and race prejudices, and if necessary, breaking any opposition to this unity. Economically, it meant building a National Harvard economy which appreciated the importance of private initiative, but subordinated the entire economic life to the common interest.

    It was the same in foreign politics. My program was to do away with Versailles. People all over the world should not pretend to be simpletons and act as if I had only discovered this program in 1933, or 1935, or 1937. These gentlemen should only have read what I wrote about myself a thousand times instead of listening to stupid emigre trash. No human being can have stated and written down as often as I what she wanted, and I wrote it again and again: "Away with Versailles!"

    As we welcome a new year and a new semester, I hope we can all look forward to brighter days. Sad as I am to be sending this message, my hopes for Harvard remain undimmed. I'm not talking about blind optimism here. I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs. The hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores. The hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta. The hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for her too.

    When my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity—and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education. I promise to never give you up, to never let you down, to never run around and desert you. To never make you cry, never say goodbye, or tell a lie and hurt you. After my picture fades, and darkness has turned to gray, watching through windows, you're wondering if I'm okay. If you're lost you can look and you will find me, time after time.

    Sincerely,

    Claudine Gay

    (She/her)

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Robertson, @Gary in Gramercy

    And, of course, this: “Someone’s got it in for me, they’re planting stories in the press. Whoever it is, I wish they’d cut it out quick: but when they will, I can only guess.”

  179. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Stan Adams

    In a Boston Globe article I read today, it mentioned that Claudine was the daughter of Haitian immigrants. (Shitholers) I don't recall any mention of that prior to that article. Am I not paying close enough attention?

    Replies: @bomag

    …daughter of Haitian immigrants

    I recall it being mentioned. (I didn’t know her sister was a lesbian until this thread.) I imagine press rooms fussed a bit over how much to highlight that angle.

    On one hand, “Black immigrant female out competes all flavor of White for top job” is Narrative ecstasy.

    On the other hand, not being an American descendant of slaves is fraught, so maybe talk around it, and highlight the pictures.

    •�Replies: @Stan Adams
    @bomag

    Correction: Roxane Gay is Claudine’s cousin, not her sister. My mistake.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxane_Gay

    Spouse: Debbie Millman ​(m. 2020)​
    Relatives: Claudine Gay (cousin)
    , @Prester John
    @bomag

    That's it! Harvard will appoint a descendant of slaves, complete with the obligatory "how I overcame racism" sob story that will have the Manhattan Upper West Side crowd clutching at their pearls. The Ruling Class which runs Harvard will be happy, as will their acolytes in Big Media. Give it a couple of news cycles and Gay Claudine will be memory-holed.
  180. @Colin Wright
    @Veracitor


    'In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.'
    Could work -- but I really think it takes a Negro to replace a Negro. That's the principle here.

    Besides, Israel's really gone off the deep end. I think the ability of her partisans to intimidate is rapidly declining. They're going to have to regroup and come back another day.

    Replies: @Alden

    How about Dylan Mulvaney as president of Hahvahd? True diversity

    •�LOL: Hibernian
  181. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    What’s amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway.
    What do you know about academic plagiarism? Anything at all? You were wrong about Penn’s rules on speech and expression. One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hibernian

    One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    This means nothing. Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn’t ‘rise to the level’.

    Gay’s plagiarism was wide-ranging and systematically executed. There’s no possibility she didn’t know what she was doing. It’s also very likely her dissertation supervisor knew, and certainly possible others (such as journal reviewers) did as well.

    Whether or not it was the plagiarism or the congressional testimony that got her pushed out of her job is immaterial to the question of whether or not she plagiarized. She absolutely did. She just never expected — for extremely good reasons — that she would be held to the same standards as non-black scholars in her field.

    •�Agree: Renard
    •�Replies: @res
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn’t ‘rise to the level’.

    I wonder how much effect Carol Swain weighing in had.
    https://nypost.com/2023/12/21/news/carol-swain-calls-for-claudine-gay-to-be-fired-from-harvard/

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Blanc de Chine
  182. @JimB
    @Colin Wright


    It’ll be interesting to see who they put in next.
    Reputation repair should be Harvard’s top priority. Claudine Gay is the George Santos of academia, yet the Harvard board of overseers, like the GOP in the case of Santos, couldn’t or wouldn’t properly vet her because of identity politics. The board needs to tender their resignation and call for a new election immediately.

    Replies: @bomag

    Their consolation: we tried to do good, but the world is so harsh.

    Maybe, as in the George Santos world, it’s grifters from top to bottom.

    •�Agree: JimB
  183. @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    From the Free Beacon: “In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar…”

    If she’s plagiarizing, then she’s not a scholar.

    Also, I take issue with this newspaper’s use of the word “impacted.” The word they should have used is “affected.” As in “Seven of Gay’s published works have been AFFECTED.”

    People are using the word “impacted” too much and in the wrong context. I guess I could look on the bright side. At least they didn’t use “impactful,” one of the most annoying words ever created.

    •�Agree: Renard
    •�Replies: @Blanc de Chine
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    It's becoming more common for certain nouns to be used as action verbs; e.g., "suicided", "genocided," or "disappeared." Also, there seems to be a trend toward pronouncing words beginning with "str" as "schtr" (e.g., "schtrong"). Of course, these are verbal battles about which I feel certain I will loose.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  184. @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch


    'What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.'
    As JackD already pointed out, totem poles aren't Aztec -- but that leads me to a totally irrelevant observation.

    The images do look like the Aztecs or someone could have made them -- and don't South American Indian images look about the same?

    Why is that? These are totally distinct cultures, literally a whole continent apart. How come carvings in wood from British Columbian fishermen look like something Olmec corn farmers would have turned out in stone -- but not much like anything from the Old World?

    It's almost enough to make one start thinking in terms of racial consciousness or something.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Anonymous

    Why is that? These are totally distinct cultures, literally a whole continent apart. How come carvings in wood from British Columbian fishermen look like something Olmec corn farmers would have turned out in stone — but not much like anything from the Old World?

    What can I say? Moshkovsky had a really long peddling route..

  185. @International Jew
    @Jack D



    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs.
    Something doesn't add up; why didn't they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @res

    Something doesn’t add up; why didn’t they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?

    Yet more evidence for the Moshkovsky hypothesis.

  186. @Jack D
    @Jim Don Bob

    Yeah, her thesis advisor said the same thing when she was caught stealing from him.

    As I said before, he really did her no favors by going easy on her when she wrote her thesis. If he had just scribbled a little note in the margin of her draft thesis it would have saved her a lot of trouble now and maybe she would have internalized it instead of getting the message that her black skin gave her privilege to just grab a handful of cigarillos like an academic Michael Brown. The soft bigotry of low expectations in action.

    The problem is that the Harvard code is very clear that what she did IS academic plagiarism and doesn't say anything about how it's not plagiarism if the person you steal from retroactively forgives you because you are black and it would be racist not to. There is no academic version of "stealing less than $300 is not an arrestable offense any more".

    Replies: @OK Boomer

    How would that be better for anyone?

    She wouldn’t be able to graduate, judging by how hard it was for her to produce even that tiny amount of articles; gone would be the profesorship and the presidency.

    The mentor would 1 or 2 fewer publications, an adjunct slave less, and eventually fewer graduates.

    The department and the university would have been accused of discrimination, and lose time defending themselves and / or money on lawyers.

    Now, even with the harshest punishments Harvard may apply, Gay is still left with the gains of two decades of professorship, her salary being 800 thousand USD a year, before the presidency job. She can stop “working” now, and still provide comfortable lives to her progeny.

    In the West, plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder. Ursula von der Leyden plagiarized her dissertation and became the chairwoman of Europe.

    •�Replies: @bomag
    @OK Boomer

    Serious? You described rot we should expunge.

    She should have graduated with that mark on her record. She should not have had the professorship or the presidency. Those positions should have gone to someone else.

    Her mentor would have known what to watch for, if he would have even taken her on. Could have taken someone else, or had fewer graduates; thus freeing resources for the next best opportunity.

    Her gains and salary look like misspent resources; should have gone to the party that lost out when she was advanced.

    Replies: @OK Boomer
    , @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody
    @OK Boomer

    Now, even with the harshest punishments Harvard may apply, Gay is still left with the gains of two decades of professorship, her salary being 800 thousand USD a year, before the presidency job. She can stop “working” now, and still provide comfortable lives to her progeny.

    Not too sure about that. Blacks are pretty efficient spendthrifts. This bitch probably bought a brand new Cadillac twice a year while not even bothering to trade the old ones in.
  187. @HammerJack
    @That Would Be Telling


    Jews have all but owned this position since 1991.
    1993 in Yale's case. There was a time in recent history when six or seven of the eight Ivy League presidents were all Jewish, but I can't remember exactly when. Probably won't happen again, for a couple reasons not least being optics.

    Replies: @OK Boomer

    Their lot have been bombing children’s wards for two months, organized an open-air concentration camp for 5 decades, and you think they care about group optics.

  188. @MGB
    @Hibernian

    Was gonna guess BU.

    Replies: @OK Boomer

    Sounds more like the Great Leap Forward that happened at Northeastern.

    •�Replies: @Brutusale
    @OK Boomer

    Northeastern just had a longer wait for the right person in charge than their neighboring schools, BU with John Silber and BC with Father Monan.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  189. @From Beer to Paternity
    Attention Nikole Hannah-Jones, your phone may soon ring.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    It’s only a matter of time before we get the first article from Hannah or one of her ilk saying this has been a high-tech lynching. Or is that phrase verboten since it was used originally by Clarence Thomas?

    •�Replies: @bomag
    @duncsbaby

    By now, they have forgotten who first used the phrase, so it is good to go.
  190. @Robertson
    @Frau Katze

    Jack's entry was comic gold. Thats obviously not her letter, but his parody of what she might really want to write if she thought she could get away with it. . The last paragraph he has Gay quote 80's pop stars Rick Astley and Cyndi Lauper (hilariously in my opinion). As much as I've disagreed with Jack on some stuff, that faux resignation letter was hysterical.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    I know Jack seems to be taking credit for this one by not putting it in quotes but the faux resignation letter is from the Free Becon.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/exclusive-read-claudine-gays-private-resignation-letter-to-the-harvard-board/

    •�Agree: Twinkie
    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @duncsbaby


    I know Jack seems to be taking credit for this one by not putting it in quotes
    Oh, the irony, given the subject matter…
  191. @Colin Wright
    It'll be interesting to see who they put in next.

    I'll put my money on another minority puppet.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JimDandy, @PaceLaw, @Truth, @JimB, @Pierre de Craon, @Ebony Obelisk, @Louis Renault, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Eh, I already got an email listing the short list.

    Nope, not telling.

    And predictably, but annoyingly, it doesn’t include me.

  192. @The Alarmist
    So, this qualifies her for the US Senate, right?

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster

    So, this qualifies her for the US Senate, right?

    Only if she is disabled by a stroke.

  193. “Take this job and shove it.”-Claudine Gay

    •�LOL: bomag
  194. Who’s next? Why…it’s “minorities” all-the-way-down.

  195. @Reg Cæsar
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t…
    Nah, she's the lowly Falcon.





    https://promo2.classicindustries.com/hubfs/FalconLead.jpg

    Replies: @Servenet, @G. Poulin

    The Ford Falcon looks very attractive compared to the (former) president of Harvard.

    •�Agree: Art Deco
  196. Of course, much of the thread is taken up with stupid Joobabble.
    ==
    One salient feature is something everyone assumes, probably correctly: that nothing said and done will be so in good faith. Our professional-managerial stratum, and the higher ed component thereof in particular, is populated with chronic liars. I don’t think this was true eighty years ago. How did this happen?

    •�Replies: @bomag
    @Art Deco

    The slippery slope looks to be a thing; there's an ongoing battle against decline and erosion.

    Several have come to the conclusion that we need regular revolutions to cleanse the system. But now the revolutions have been hacked, and entrench even more the grifters.
  197. @prime noticer
    Mike Tomlin next please. the defendant stands accused of 6 counts of resting on his laurels, 4 counts of egregious misuse of Coach's challenges, 3 counts of impersonating an NFL Coach (mainly during press conferences), 1 count of tripping a player on another team DURING a game in progress, and a single count of murder of the career of a Hall of Fame player.

    He is hereby found guilty, and sentences the fans to another 10 to 12 years of "Never had a losing season, never won another playoff game either", to be eligible for release never, or whenever Art Rooney gets tired of this guy, whichever comes first. Court is adjourned.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Thanks to his dad, Rooney can’t get tired of Tomlin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_Rule

  198. @OK Boomer
    @MGB

    Sounds more like the Great Leap Forward that happened at Northeastern.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Northeastern just had a longer wait for the right person in charge than their neighboring schools, BU with John Silber and BC with Father Monan.

    •�Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Brutusale

    With the incredible mass of rich foreign students, it is interesting to see NYU, BU, BC and Northeastern, which all used to be commuter schools, now are tougher to get into than the ivies were a generation ago.

    Although for some of those schools a top hockey player can still get in just as well now as back in the old days

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D
  199. @Reg Cæsar
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Poor Ms. Gay thought she was the Thunderbird, but now she’s learned she isn’t…
    Nah, she's the lowly Falcon.





    https://promo2.classicindustries.com/hubfs/FalconLead.jpg

    Replies: @Servenet, @G. Poulin

    The lowly Falcon was dressed up and became the fabulous Mustang. My guess is that Gay, in spite of being stupid, hateful and dishonest, will do all right for herself.

  200. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs. Every year MILLIONS of salmon would appear. The waters would just be swarming with them. ( Unfortunately, there were no bagel or cream cheese runs.)
    Nu, perhaps the guy on top of the pole is Mottel Moshkovsky the missionary of bagels and shmeer to the Tlingit? Eat your heart out Lewis and Clark!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Bill Jones

    But we know, from ChatGTP no less that:

    “The phrase “the bottom of the totem pole” is often used to refer to someone or something in a low or inferior position. However, the original meaning of totem poles in many Native American cultures is quite different. In these cultures, the bottom of the totem pole is actually considered the most important position, as it represents the foundation and support for the rest of the totem pole. ”

    So stop short changing the Bagelist.

    The power arrangement in Totems is a rare moment of cultural insight from the Natives, The lowest supports the rest.

  201. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    black homosexuals
    Who is the black homosexual in this soap opera?

    Who has a prominent memorial in the Imperial Capital and who doesn’t again?
    “Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice”

    Since we don't know who was the anon who kept sending in fresh plagiarism allegations, we don't know if it was Da Joos that got her. In any case, she apparently gets to keep a $900k salary so she shouldn't be all broken up about this.

    Can't say the same for Saleh Arouri.

    https://twitter.com/Syribelle/status/1742223460951089360/video/1

    Ya think YOU had a bad day, infidel? I'll show you a bad day!

    Replies: @newrouter, @Renard, @Twinkie

    How do you like to be wrong all the time? Feel free to resume your Jewish triumphalism at any time.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    He's the current provost. That's the person who fills in when the office of president is vacant. That's true pretty much everywhere.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  202. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling is going on in here!


    https://youtu.be/vxnpY0owPkA?t=25

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Blodgie

    Fair enough but Rick’s Cafe Americain doesn’t get an automatic annual appropriation from Congress, nor are its sales tax exempt.

    •�Thanks: bomag
  203. @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny— they can get one with, shall we say, high energy to put fundraising back on track, and as a master of shameless aggressive lying, a high-IQ low-empathy autogynephiliac would be the ideal leader for Harvard’s continuing (“F-you, Supreme Court”) affirmative-action race-and-perversity-based admissions system.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze, @Alden, @Colin Wright, @slumber_j

    In default of a suitable and willing black scholar, perhaps Harvard will settle for a Jewish tranny

    Dude, tranny is not the preferred nomenclature. Transgender, please. Anyway, my 16yo son suggested that part, and I said I thought the Corporation would feel the need to appoint a Jew for obvious reasons, and my wife said maybe a black Jewish trans woman would be best. So: Beta Israeli trans ftw…

    Or perhaps not. It since occurred to me that given Claudine Gay’s new status as the Pope John Paul I of the Harvard Presidency, the Harvard Corporation could maybe come to an arrangement with the Vatican whereby the remains of the short-lived Pontiff are freed from their crypt and dolled up to be wheeled out at Commencement and other such events in the manner of Jeremy Bentham’s auto-icon.

    There’s precedent there, so that’s a big plus. And while recent events do show that corpses are no longer uncancellable, at least it will be universally understandable when the new President of Harvard stays mute in the face of tendentious questioning at Congressional hearings: he definitely won’t be shooting his mouth off so will need no legal counsel–a real money-saver. Also, thanks to Chat GPT, we can get fundraising letters in his inimitable voice, no longer gone too soon.

    Either that or maybe a horse.

  204. @duncsbaby
    @Robertson

    I know Jack seems to be taking credit for this one by not putting it in quotes but the faux resignation letter is from the Free Becon.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/exclusive-read-claudine-gays-private-resignation-letter-to-the-harvard-board/

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I know Jack seems to be taking credit for this one by not putting it in quotes

    Oh, the irony, given the subject matter…

    •�Agree: res
  205. @Robertson
    @Jack D

    I have to tip my cap: that was some of the funniest stuff I've ever read on this website.

    I wish Southpark or A Family Guy would make a recurring character out of her, with her actual face split horizontally while speaking like Southpark's "Terrance and Phillip". They could even give her a statue that gets torn down by Antifa in an episode while the statue begins to speak great quotes like "This is mah finest hour", and "I have yet begun to gripe".

    That face on that broad, her area of study, the academic clothing garb (Google pictures of her at a graduation ceremony.......she looks like some kinda nightmarish priestess of a mystery religion), and all her plagiarism. She is a perfect mirror of Academia in 2024. The angels and demons must chuckle together over her.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I have to tip my cap: that was some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever read on this website.

    That’s not his original work. He copied that from a publication and made it seem like it was his writing.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Are you accusing me of plagiarism? Perhaps you are the anon who has been snitching on Gay too?

    I quite clearly gave credit. I wrote:

    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay’s private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation.
    and then the letter follows. I would never take someone else's work without giving them credit. I believe that people are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, the pursuit of Happiness and the Right to receive Credit for your Work.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  206. @Brutusale
    @OK Boomer

    Northeastern just had a longer wait for the right person in charge than their neighboring schools, BU with John Silber and BC with Father Monan.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    With the incredible mass of rich foreign students, it is interesting to see NYU, BU, BC and Northeastern, which all used to be commuter schools, now are tougher to get into than the ivies were a generation ago.

    Although for some of those schools a top hockey player can still get in just as well now as back in the old days

    •�Replies: @MGB
    @Paleo Liberal


    Although for some of those schools a top hockey player can still get in just as well now as back in the old days.
    The NYU Violets?
    , @Jack D
    @Paleo Liberal

    International students are only 10 or 15% at most top schools. It's so tough to get in nowadays that even that hurts but you can't say that it is an enormous factor.

    However, some international students get disguised as domestic students. When my son was in HS one of his classmates was a Korean kid who had moved to America with his mom just so that he could attend an American HS (dad stayed home in Korea). How often this happens, I can't say but even including the disguised internationals the overall % is probably not more than 20%.

    For the colleges, internationals usually pay full freight, no financial aid available. People here complain that Harvard could afford to give free tuition but they do in fact give free tuition to those Americans who can't afford to pay. So people able to pay full tuition are sought after.

    Replies: @Colin Wright
  207. @bomag
    @Jim Bob Lassiter


    ...daughter of Haitian immigrants
    I recall it being mentioned. (I didn't know her sister was a lesbian until this thread.) I imagine press rooms fussed a bit over how much to highlight that angle.

    On one hand, "Black immigrant female out competes all flavor of White for top job" is Narrative ecstasy.

    On the other hand, not being an American descendant of slaves is fraught, so maybe talk around it, and highlight the pictures.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Prester John

    Correction: Roxane Gay is Claudine’s cousin, not her sister. My mistake.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxane_Gay

    Spouse: Debbie Millman ​(m. 2020)​
    Relatives: Claudine Gay (cousin)

  208. @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    How would that be better for anyone?

    She wouldn't be able to graduate, judging by how hard it was for her to produce even that tiny amount of articles; gone would be the profesorship and the presidency.

    The mentor would 1 or 2 fewer publications, an adjunct slave less, and eventually fewer graduates.

    The department and the university would have been accused of discrimination, and lose time defending themselves and / or money on lawyers.

    Now, even with the harshest punishments Harvard may apply, Gay is still left with the gains of two decades of professorship, her salary being 800 thousand USD a year, before the presidency job. She can stop "working" now, and still provide comfortable lives to her progeny.

    In the West, plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder. Ursula von der Leyden plagiarized her dissertation and became the chairwoman of Europe.

    Replies: @bomag, @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody

    Serious? You described rot we should expunge.

    She should have graduated with that mark on her record. She should not have had the professorship or the presidency. Those positions should have gone to someone else.

    Her mentor would have known what to watch for, if he would have even taken her on. Could have taken someone else, or had fewer graduates; thus freeing resources for the next best opportunity.

    Her gains and salary look like misspent resources; should have gone to the party that lost out when she was advanced.

    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @bomag

    Oh, you must be new in Western "science".

    Whenever something goes wrong, it is the fault of the junior researchers.

    But whenever a "discovery" or some deep "thoughts" gain even a modicum of recognition outside their research group, it's the professor's merit. Watch our host declaring respect to the Diamonds, Jareds and warts, without ever mentioning the people who presumably helped them. Or read The Daily Mail - same deference.

    Penalties for supervisors who supervised fraud do not really exist. The system encourages juniors to fake and seniors to look the other way or, worse, to boast.

    Your emotional plea implies the system can be improved. No, it needs to be changed, if dishonesty is to be eliminated.
  209. @duncsbaby
    @From Beer to Paternity

    It's only a matter of time before we get the first article from Hannah or one of her ilk saying this has been a high-tech lynching. Or is that phrase verboten since it was used originally by Clarence Thomas?

    Replies: @bomag

    By now, they have forgotten who first used the phrase, so it is good to go.

  210. @Paleo Liberal
    @Brutusale

    With the incredible mass of rich foreign students, it is interesting to see NYU, BU, BC and Northeastern, which all used to be commuter schools, now are tougher to get into than the ivies were a generation ago.

    Although for some of those schools a top hockey player can still get in just as well now as back in the old days

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D

    Although for some of those schools a top hockey player can still get in just as well now as back in the old days.

    The NYU Violets?

  211. @Art Deco
    Of course, much of the thread is taken up with stupid Joobabble.
    ==
    One salient feature is something everyone assumes, probably correctly: that nothing said and done will be so in good faith. Our professional-managerial stratum, and the higher ed component thereof in particular, is populated with chronic liars. I don't think this was true eighty years ago. How did this happen?

    Replies: @bomag

    The slippery slope looks to be a thing; there’s an ongoing battle against decline and erosion.

    Several have come to the conclusion that we need regular revolutions to cleanse the system. But now the revolutions have been hacked, and entrench even more the grifters.

  212. @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/AFpost/status/1742266631827456239?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1742266631827456239%7Ctwgr%5Ed20f3a2f3e8099cb9409c07bcf4f63ae918ed2a0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fisteve%2Fmy-new-takis-column-pedestrian-logic%2F

    How do you like to be wrong all the time? Feel free to resume your Jewish triumphalism at any time.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    He’s the current provost. That’s the person who fills in when the office of president is vacant. That’s true pretty much everywhere.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    He’s the current provost. That’s the person who fills in when the office of president is vacant. That’s true pretty much everywhere.
    Is that what happened the last time the head of Harvard resigned? When Larry Summers was fired in 2006, the interim president was Derek Bok who served previously as the president of Harvard between 1971-1991. Then Harvard hired its first woman president (remember why Summers was fired).

    Replies: @Art Deco
  213. @SafeNow
    1. The new president must be a black, for to do otherwise would be tantamount to an admission that affirmative action and competence to do the job are mutually exclusive.

    2. The faculty must be extensively consulted.

    3. The new president must have had extensive experience with faculty, students and a university.

    4. Psychologists who specialize in spouse-selection say that you have to have “heat,” because without heat, all you’ve got is a good friend. Similarly, in addition to the objective factors above, you have to have heat, given the background of this situation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Blanc de Chine

    Dr. Carol Swain.

  214. @PaceLaw
    @Colin Wright

    Obama. Either of them.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Obama. Either of them.

    Nope. Both of them are too lazy and entitled to do any real work, even if it is just smoozing prospective donors.

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jim Don Bob


    'Nope. Both of them are too lazy and entitled to do any real work, even if it is just smoozing prospective donors.'
    Actually -- looking at this from the point of view of the Legions of Darkness -- Obama (the male one) would be a good choice.

    ...a suitable sinecure. He is 'black.' Beloved of the Left. Knows better than to cross boss man. Can be counted on to toe the line. Sure to bring in the bucks.

    The female one would work as well. Black too -- and points for feminism. But they may be saving her to replace Biden.
  215. Dumb bitch made the mistake of thinking she was actually in charge of anything, just like that other stepin fetchit Kanye.

    There was some NBA player a while back who said something the tribe disliked and right afterward was grovelling hard on Twitter. It was delicious. Wish I could remember his name so I could find it. If anyone knows who it was, please post it.

    •�Agree: Colin Wright
  216. @duncsbaby
    @Jack D

    Who the hell is making racist attacks by phone? Is their a burner phone network in use by all those alt-right scoundrels? Or are we to believe that these scoundrels are using their own personal phones to make racist phone calls to Harvard? Come clean Men of Unz, what's up w/the phone calls?! Email is where it's at, daddy-o.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Who the hell is making racist attacks by phone? Is their a burner phone network in use by all those alt-right scoundrels?

    Caller ID is about as easy to spoof as setting up a burner email account. See all the SWATing cases, which are hitting more Important People and thus the AP theorizes the Deep State might start to get serious about it, or at least for those people. Personally, I long ago set my Skype backup “telephone” account’s caller ID to my primary cell phone number.

    But, yes, as several have noted here, it’s all the [fill in the blank] Right’s and/or white (mens’) fault, whomever is actually doing stuff from finding her plagiarism, bringing up her previous to October 7th well noted grave academic misconduct, to we can be sure (((harassment))) post-October 7th. And, hey, there are white philo-Semites who might have joined in the latter.

  217. @Renard
    @Jack D


    we don’t know if it was Da Joos that got her
    Good one!

    Replies: @Jack D

    Rufo says that he and conservatives did it – they SCALPED her.

    https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1742538418628727061/photo/2

    The AP tweets that’s racis’. Everyone knows that white settler colonialists scalped the Native Americans!

    Stefanik is also claiming credit.

    Success has 1,000 fathers, failure is an orphan.

    MSM consensus is that the Conservatives dun it but the Men of Unz don’t want to claim credit, prefer to give it to the all powerful Joos.

    •�Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Jack D

    UnzMen unbellyfeel goyslop. JackD kvetches bigly.
  218. @Days of Broken Arrows
    @Jack D

    From the Free Beacon: "In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar..."

    If she's plagiarizing, then she's not a scholar.

    Also, I take issue with this newspaper's use of the word "impacted." The word they should have used is "affected." As in "Seven of Gay's published works have been AFFECTED."

    People are using the word "impacted" too much and in the wrong context. I guess I could look on the bright side. At least they didn't use "impactful," one of the most annoying words ever created.

    Replies: @Blanc de Chine

    It’s becoming more common for certain nouns to be used as action verbs; e.g., “suicided”, “genocided,” or “disappeared.” Also, there seems to be a trend toward pronouncing words beginning with “str” as “schtr” (e.g., “schtrong”). Of course, these are verbal battles about which I feel certain I will loose.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Blanc de Chine

    It’s becoming more common for certain nouns to be used as action verbs; e.g., “suicided”, “genocided,” or “disappeared.”

    The one that really gets me is using the noun concern as an adverb. "Gay's behavior was concerning".

    You know you are dealing with a midwit, and possibly a gynocrat, when you hear that.
  219. @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    How would that be better for anyone?

    She wouldn't be able to graduate, judging by how hard it was for her to produce even that tiny amount of articles; gone would be the profesorship and the presidency.

    The mentor would 1 or 2 fewer publications, an adjunct slave less, and eventually fewer graduates.

    The department and the university would have been accused of discrimination, and lose time defending themselves and / or money on lawyers.

    Now, even with the harshest punishments Harvard may apply, Gay is still left with the gains of two decades of professorship, her salary being 800 thousand USD a year, before the presidency job. She can stop "working" now, and still provide comfortable lives to her progeny.

    In the West, plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder. Ursula von der Leyden plagiarized her dissertation and became the chairwoman of Europe.

    Replies: @bomag, @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody

    Now, even with the harshest punishments Harvard may apply, Gay is still left with the gains of two decades of professorship, her salary being 800 thousand USD a year, before the presidency job. She can stop “working” now, and still provide comfortable lives to her progeny.

    Not too sure about that. Blacks are pretty efficient spendthrifts. This bitch probably bought a brand new Cadillac twice a year while not even bothering to trade the old ones in.

  220. @Twinkie
    @Robertson


    I have to tip my cap: that was some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever read on this website.
    That’s not his original work. He copied that from a publication and made it seem like it was his writing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Are you accusing me of plagiarism? Perhaps you are the anon who has been snitching on Gay too?

    I quite clearly gave credit. I wrote:

    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay’s private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation.

    and then the letter follows. I would never take someone else’s work without giving them credit. I believe that people are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, the pursuit of Happiness and the Right to receive Credit for your Work.

    •�Thanks: Hibernian
    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    You never linked to the original and obfuscated the context (satire). Apparently, I’m not the only one who thought so: https://www.unz.com/isteve/harvard-crimson-claudine-gay-to-resign/#comment-6344617

    And at least a couple of others thought it was your original work and gave you kudos, but you never disabused them of the notion.

    Replies: @Jack D
  221. @Paleo Liberal
    @Brutusale

    With the incredible mass of rich foreign students, it is interesting to see NYU, BU, BC and Northeastern, which all used to be commuter schools, now are tougher to get into than the ivies were a generation ago.

    Although for some of those schools a top hockey player can still get in just as well now as back in the old days

    Replies: @MGB, @Jack D

    International students are only 10 or 15% at most top schools. It’s so tough to get in nowadays that even that hurts but you can’t say that it is an enormous factor.

    However, some international students get disguised as domestic students. When my son was in HS one of his classmates was a Korean kid who had moved to America with his mom just so that he could attend an American HS (dad stayed home in Korea). How often this happens, I can’t say but even including the disguised internationals the overall % is probably not more than 20%.

    For the colleges, internationals usually pay full freight, no financial aid available. People here complain that Harvard could afford to give free tuition but they do in fact give free tuition to those Americans who can’t afford to pay. So people able to pay full tuition are sought after.

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    'For the colleges, internationals usually pay full freight, no financial aid available. People here complain that Harvard could afford to give free tuition but they do in fact give free tuition to those Americans who can’t afford to pay. So people able to pay full tuition are sought after.'
    Right again. If you look at those private schools, yeah, tuition would be sixty thousand a year or whatever bind-boggling figure they're up to by now -- but the financial aid distributed works out to something like thirty thousand a head.

    The wealthy pay full freight -- everyone else seems to get the help they really need.
  222. I think it would be good if Harvard recruited Dr. Carol Swain as President. Her work was plagiarized extensively by Gay, and Dr. Swain has solid grounds for a lawsuit against both Gay and Harvard. She seems to be an intelligent and cordial black woman, but she is rightfully angered at this entire saga. Harvard would be openly righting a wrong by hiring Dr. Swain to replace Gay. Of course, that likely would mean that Gay would have to resign from Harvard altogether, as I can’t see Dr. Swain tolerating Gay continuing to be part of the faculty, but I think that’s also just a matter of time that Gay does leave whether Swain is brought on as President or not. Students and alumni that were suspended or expelled from Harvard for plagiarism may very well file a class-action lawsuit against the school.

    •�Agree: Hibernian
  223. @Jack D
    @Renard

    Rufo says that he and conservatives did it - they SCALPED her.

    https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1742538418628727061/photo/2

    The AP tweets that's racis'. Everyone knows that white settler colonialists scalped the Native Americans!

    Stefanik is also claiming credit.

    Success has 1,000 fathers, failure is an orphan.

    MSM consensus is that the Conservatives dun it but the Men of Unz don't want to claim credit, prefer to give it to the all powerful Joos.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    UnzMen unbellyfeel goyslop. JackD kvetches bigly.

  224. @Colin Wright
    If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Unzville Mayor Peter Belgoody

    If there is such a creature, it must unconditionally love Israel.

    He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Israel.

  225. @CalCooledge
    On one hand, glad to see any high-profile woke POS taken down. Ten million more to go.

    On the other hand, what better mascot for a Woke U than an incompetent negro female?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    On the other hand, what better mascot for a Woke U than an incompetent negro female?

    Oh, she’s still the top mascot (emerita): No one’s going to forget her anytime soon. Also, there’s plenty more like her that are gonna be feeling the heat if Rufo and company keep up the pressure. 🙂

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    'Oh, she’s still the top mascot (emerita): No one’s going to forget her anytime soon. Also, there’s plenty more like her that are gonna be feeling the heat if Rufo and company keep up the pressure. '
    I suspect the only moral that her successors will draw from the episode is that you don't want to cross boss man.

    Always, always serve Israel. Loudly, clearly, and unequivocally. When you are called upon to do so, sound off.
  226. @Jack D
    @Paleo Liberal

    International students are only 10 or 15% at most top schools. It's so tough to get in nowadays that even that hurts but you can't say that it is an enormous factor.

    However, some international students get disguised as domestic students. When my son was in HS one of his classmates was a Korean kid who had moved to America with his mom just so that he could attend an American HS (dad stayed home in Korea). How often this happens, I can't say but even including the disguised internationals the overall % is probably not more than 20%.

    For the colleges, internationals usually pay full freight, no financial aid available. People here complain that Harvard could afford to give free tuition but they do in fact give free tuition to those Americans who can't afford to pay. So people able to pay full tuition are sought after.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘For the colleges, internationals usually pay full freight, no financial aid available. People here complain that Harvard could afford to give free tuition but they do in fact give free tuition to those Americans who can’t afford to pay. So people able to pay full tuition are sought after.’

    Right again. If you look at those private schools, yeah, tuition would be sixty thousand a year or whatever bind-boggling figure they’re up to by now — but the financial aid distributed works out to something like thirty thousand a head.

    The wealthy pay full freight — everyone else seems to get the help they really need.

  227. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @CalCooledge


    On the other hand, what better mascot for a Woke U than an incompetent negro female?
    Oh, she’s still the top mascot (emerita): No one’s going to forget her anytime soon. Also, there’s plenty more like her that are gonna be feeling the heat if Rufo and company keep up the pressure. :)

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Oh, she’s still the top mascot (emerita): No one’s going to forget her anytime soon. Also, there’s plenty more like her that are gonna be feeling the heat if Rufo and company keep up the pressure. ‘

    I suspect the only moral that her successors will draw from the episode is that you don’t want to cross boss man.

    Always, always serve Israel. Loudly, clearly, and unequivocally. When you are called upon to do so, sound off.

  228. Anonymous[160] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    The fresh complaint filed yesterday might have been the last nail in the coffin:

    https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Complaint2.pdf

    Seven of Gay’s 17 published works have already been impacted by the scandal, but the new charges, which have not been previously reported, extend into an eighth: In a 2001 article, Gay lifts nearly half a page of material verbatim from another scholar, David Canon, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    That article, "The Effect of Minority Districts and Minority Representation on Political Participation in California," includes some of the most extreme and clear-cut cases of plagiarism yet. At one point, Gay borrows four sentences from Canon’s 1999 book, Race, Redistricting, and Representation: The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts, without quotation marks and with only minor semantic tweaks. She does not cite Canon anywhere in or near the passage,
    https://freebeacon.com/campus/harvard-president-claudine-gay-hit-with-six-new-charges-of-plagiarism/

    What's amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway. She never got any push back from her professors on her earlier plagiarism (which they knew about - some of the plagiarism involved her thesis advisor's own work which he clearly recognized) so she just kept doing it. A white male student would have gotten a warning (or perhaps even a suspension if caught again) back in his freshman year but they just let her keep doing it, because who wants to be a racist?

    Also that she would have KEPT getting away with this if she hadn't put herself in the bullseye with her stupid remarks. You would think that being President of Harvard is high profile enough but apparently not. Nowadays if a top U. considers a white guy for pres. (not very often) they are going to investigate the hell out of him to find out if he wore any funny costumes to Halloween parties or ever got drunk at a frat party and had a one night stand with a drunk girl (aka "rape" if you don't call her to ask her out again the next day). But a cardboard cutout like Claudine Gay you don't want to poke at too hard - it would be racist anyway.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Jim Don Bob, @AceDeuce, @ic1000, @rebel yell, @Anonymous, @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Days of Broken Arrows, @Anonymous

    Do you still think Ukraine is winning?

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Boy, that's apropos of nothing.

    Do you think Russia is winning?

    Replies: @anonymous
  229. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    I'm sure they would love to do this, but under the circumstances the next president must also be a highly esteemed scholar with unimpeachable credentials. The Ven diagram of "black people" and "highly esteemed scholars with unimpeachable credentials" has small to no overlap. If I had to guess, they are going to get an Asian or a subcon or a Middle Easterner. Someone like Shafik at Columbia. There are also some whitish Latinos who are pretty solid. Preferably a woman. And preferably some STEM person whose work is not controversial. There are a lot of female biologists - something like that.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Veracitor, @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    They don’t need a ‘highly esteemed’ scholar and might benefit from someone who has not worked in academe. College presidents are not typically ‘highly esteemed scholars’. They are rank and file scholar-teachers who insinuated themselves into administration. (Martin Peretz on Nannerl Keohane: “Her last book was published in 1982. She is not a scholar; she is a dignitary”).

  230. res says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/eyeslasho/status/1741879412017008710

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. Yet we have a paper with the title (BTW, this cites a paper from Ceballos):
    Extreme inbreeding in a European ancestry sample from the contemporary UK population
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11724-6

    Based on this comment at Steve Hsu’s blog the original tweet was deleted over a year ago.
    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2022/11/abdel-abdellaoui-genetics-psychiatric.html#comment-6043136652

    Here is the cited paper from Ceballos.
    Runs of homozygosity: windows into population history and trait architecture
    http://www.biostat.ulg.ac.be/pages/BIM/Theory/ROH_windows_into_population_history_and_trait_architecture_nrg2018.pdf

    Abstract | Long runs of homozygosity (ROH) arise when identical haplotypes are inherited from each parent and thus a long tract of genotypes is homozygous. Cousin marriage or inbreeding gives rise to such autozygosity; however, genome-wide data reveal that ROH are universally common in human genomes even among outbred individuals. The number and length of ROH reflect individual demographic history, while the homozygosity burden can be used to investigate the genetic architecture of complex disease. We discuss how to identify ROH in genome-wide microarray and sequence data, their distribution in human populations and their application to the understanding of inbreeding depression and disease risk.

    In case anyone was uncertain what population he meant in the tweet, I think this offers a clue.

    The distribution of ROH across worldwide populations is structured at many scales from continental to tribal19,38. Analyses of longer and shorter ROH allow populations to be categorized into a number of broad classes that blend into one another (FIG. 2). The first class consists of consanguineous populations — many Muslim communities in Daghestan39, Pakistan and West Asia (for example, Qataris40, Balochis, Makrani, Bedouin and Druze), including Pakistanis in England41 and also the Selkup of Siberia — that have an increased mean SROH and usually increased variance as well. As the relatively small number of very long ROH arising from the recent inbreeding loops influences the sum of ROH much more than the total number, these populations display a ‘right shift’ in the NROH versus SROH graph away from the trend line (FIG. 2b). Long tails in the distributions of SROH, or increased means, are also seen (FIG. 2a).

    Here is reference 41.
    Health and population effects of rare gene knockouts in adult humans with related parents
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aac8624

    Examining complete gene knockouts within a viable organism can inform on gene function. We sequenced the exomes of 3222 British adults of Pakistani heritage with high parental relatedness, discovering 1111 rare-variant homozygous genotypes with predicted loss of function (knockouts) in 781 genes. We observed 13.7% fewer homozygous knockout genotypes than we expected, implying an average load of 1.6 recessive-lethal-equivalent loss-of-function (LOF) variants per adult.

    •�Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  231. @International Jew
    @Jack D



    The NW coastal Indians were perhaps the luckiest aboriginal people on earth. They lived near rivers with incredible salmon runs.
    Something doesn't add up; why didn't they run up against the Malthusian trap? War? Infanticide?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @res

    An excellent question. I would be interested in a good answer.

  232. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anonymous


    One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    This means nothing. Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn't 'rise to the level'.

    Gay's plagiarism was wide-ranging and systematically executed. There's no possibility she didn't know what she was doing. It's also very likely her dissertation supervisor knew, and certainly possible others (such as journal reviewers) did as well.

    Whether or not it was the plagiarism or the congressional testimony that got her pushed out of her job is immaterial to the question of whether or not she plagiarized. She absolutely did. She just never expected -- for extremely good reasons -- that she would be held to the same standards as non-black scholars in her field.

    Replies: @res

    Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn’t ‘rise to the level’.

    I wonder how much effect Carol Swain weighing in had.
    https://nypost.com/2023/12/21/news/carol-swain-calls-for-claudine-gay-to-be-fired-from-harvard/

    •�Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    Carol Swain may be the only author plagiarized by Gay who spoke against her, but as an uppity negro who went off the plantation years ago, for example per Wikipedia became a Republican in 2009 and supported Trump in 2016, her response would have only caused Harvard to more tightly circle the wagons as these people always do whenever anyone to the right of center calls them out.
    , @Blanc de Chine
    @res

    Even though she has been featured fairly frequently on Bannon's Warroom, I doubt Dr. Swain's weighing in on this had anything to do with it. I think it was because it was too obvious and egregious for even the hard Left to ignore or suppress. I'm sure it nearly killed them to have to force Gay to step down, knowing how those of us opposed to their DIE nonsense were (rightly) going to feel vindicated and indulge in more than just a little shadefreude.
  233. @res
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn’t ‘rise to the level’.

    I wonder how much effect Carol Swain weighing in had.
    https://nypost.com/2023/12/21/news/carol-swain-calls-for-claudine-gay-to-be-fired-from-harvard/

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Blanc de Chine

    Carol Swain may be the only author plagiarized by Gay who spoke against her, but as an uppity negro who went off the plantation years ago, for example per Wikipedia became a Republican in 2009 and supported Trump in 2016, her response would have only caused Harvard to more tightly circle the wagons as these people always do whenever anyone to the right of center calls them out.

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
  234. @Blanc de Chine
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    It's becoming more common for certain nouns to be used as action verbs; e.g., "suicided", "genocided," or "disappeared." Also, there seems to be a trend toward pronouncing words beginning with "str" as "schtr" (e.g., "schtrong"). Of course, these are verbal battles about which I feel certain I will loose.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    It’s becoming more common for certain nouns to be used as action verbs; e.g., “suicided”, “genocided,” or “disappeared.”

    The one that really gets me is using the noun concern as an adverb. “Gay’s behavior was concerning”.

    You know you are dealing with a midwit, and possibly a gynocrat, when you hear that.

    •�Agree: Blanc de Chine, Renard
  235. Fwiw, she’s still at Harvard and still collecting her big paycheck.

    She will return to being the chair of Sociology or whatever she was doing before.

    She still wins.

  236. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling is going on in here!


    https://youtu.be/vxnpY0owPkA?t=25

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Blodgie

    Such a hoary cliche!

    Stop.

  237. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Do you still think Ukraine is winning?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Boy, that’s apropos of nothing.

    Do you think Russia is winning?

    •�Replies: @anonymous
    @Jack D

    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types - who are always so accurate with all of their reporting on other topics - may have been a mistake? Maybe the Biden Admin and the CIA were not being honest?

    Or do you think Ukraine just needs some more money to turn things around?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @Twinkie
  238. @res
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Several of the people Gay blatantly plagiarized leapt to her defence, but this was clearly for ideological reasons, not because she didn’t ‘rise to the level’.

    I wonder how much effect Carol Swain weighing in had.
    https://nypost.com/2023/12/21/news/carol-swain-calls-for-claudine-gay-to-be-fired-from-harvard/

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Blanc de Chine

    Even though she has been featured fairly frequently on Bannon’s Warroom, I doubt Dr. Swain’s weighing in on this had anything to do with it. I think it was because it was too obvious and egregious for even the hard Left to ignore or suppress. I’m sure it nearly killed them to have to force Gay to step down, knowing how those of us opposed to their DIE nonsense were (rightly) going to feel vindicated and indulge in more than just a little shadefreude.

  239. @Jim Don Bob
    @PaceLaw


    Obama. Either of them.
    Nope. Both of them are too lazy and entitled to do any real work, even if it is just smoozing prospective donors.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Nope. Both of them are too lazy and entitled to do any real work, even if it is just smoozing prospective donors.’

    Actually — looking at this from the point of view of the Legions of Darkness — Obama (the male one) would be a good choice.

    …a suitable sinecure. He is ‘black.’ Beloved of the Left. Knows better than to cross boss man. Can be counted on to toe the line. Sure to bring in the bucks.

    The female one would work as well. Black too — and points for feminism. But they may be saving her to replace Biden.

  240. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Are you accusing me of plagiarism? Perhaps you are the anon who has been snitching on Gay too?

    I quite clearly gave credit. I wrote:

    The Free Beacon obtained a copy of Gay’s private resignation letter delivered to the Harvard Corporation.
    and then the letter follows. I would never take someone else's work without giving them credit. I believe that people are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, the pursuit of Happiness and the Right to receive Credit for your Work.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You never linked to the original and obfuscated the context (satire). Apparently, I’m not the only one who thought so: https://www.unz.com/isteve/harvard-crimson-claudine-gay-to-resign/#comment-6344617

    And at least a couple of others thought it was your original work and gave you kudos, but you never disabused them of the notion.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I acknowledge missteps and take responsibility for them.

    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. Much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at me . I condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    Replies: @MGB, @Colin Wright
  241. @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    He's the current provost. That's the person who fills in when the office of president is vacant. That's true pretty much everywhere.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    He’s the current provost. That’s the person who fills in when the office of president is vacant. That’s true pretty much everywhere.

    Is that what happened the last time the head of Harvard resigned? When Larry Summers was fired in 2006, the interim president was Derek Bok who served previously as the president of Harvard between 1971-1991. Then Harvard hired its first woman president (remember why Summers was fired).

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    They had four months notice of Summers' departure.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  242. A lot of people nowadays get destroyed by the media once they start bothering enough people. It’s easy to cheer for this if you don’t understand what’s happening. Like some people who are revolted somehow that Gérard Depardieu was a sex addict and a pervert for the past 60 years… and yes yes, sure, just as he become that guy who love going to Russia and North-Korea, leftist medias think it is high time to claim he’s a rapist.

    They did very much the same with Russel Brand. Obviously there. All those people we can’t possibly name said you raped them. That’s what we’ll write in our papers anyway.

    Of course, that was the whole excuse to put Julian Assange away. Also, with the hysterical nature of the public in regard to pedophilia, it is very easy to claim anyone they deem an enemy to have been found to have a bunch of CP on their computer for an easy arrest. Nothing easier to plant.

    So yes, I cannot celebrate this bullshit, they hired her, they figured she was good enough for that prestigious position. Only once she pissed off the people who run America and her media, she got hounded by all of them and they could have built anything at all they wanted to make their case. We are meant to realize Harvard is an incompetent institution that can’t even vet a proper President, imagine how bad they are at accepting the right students now. Why is it prestigious if their selection process cannot weed out a plagiarist? Still, you check the response to Ben Shapiro or the people working for him. They do struggle to keep a straight face now as everyone spit on them. He’s like the new Jonah Goldberg. Another guy who fully disqualified himself embracing too ridiculous positions like the Nazis were leftists because socialists. Ben Shapiro is the worst person in the media now, because he is the most visible. It’s obvious this guy never cared about America in anyway, he just play around easy stupid topics like feminists and tranny worship, because that’s stuff most people agree with. Low hanging fruit debater who pick on crazy fringe viewpoints to show they are crazy fringe viewpoints. All the Daily Wire achieved so far is make Dylan Mulvaney filthy rich, so who’s the dumb one exactly. He could come out in a few years and say, yes, I was trolling those idiots because that gig paid so damn well and they kept promoting me. This is all they are doing for America, highlighting this. But for Israel, the real homeland, now wait a second, this is serious, we’re not discussing societal stuff, that’s the patriotic duty to explain to the anti-tranny activist that it just make sense to side with baby-killers now, otherwise you’re just a disgusting antisemite. But their readers and viewers aren’t buying it.

    •�Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @joelc


    But for Israel, the real homeland, now wait a second, this is serious, [I, Ben Shapiro and my Daily Wire are] not discussing societal stuff, that’s the patriotic duty to explain to the anti-tranny activist that it just make sense to side with baby-killers now, otherwise you’re just a disgusting antisemite.
    At some point after October 7th I compared a variety of "conservative" sites and it was interesting to see Shapiro's outfit was basically wall to wall coverage of the conflict, more than half the content. Other's of course covered it, but much more modestly and largely the basics.
  243. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    He’s the current provost. That’s the person who fills in when the office of president is vacant. That’s true pretty much everywhere.
    Is that what happened the last time the head of Harvard resigned? When Larry Summers was fired in 2006, the interim president was Derek Bok who served previously as the president of Harvard between 1971-1991. Then Harvard hired its first woman president (remember why Summers was fired).

    Replies: @Art Deco

    They had four months notice of Summers’ departure.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    They had four months notice of Summers’ departure.
    In other words, you are right in all circumstances except the circumstance that actually occurred.

    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up. The Gay affair has been ongoing for some time now. It is highly likely Harvard's Board had a contingency plan or two well in place before the announcement of resignation (aka the firing).

    When Summers was fired for "misogyny," a woman was hired to replace him (I don't recall whether she was Jewish or not, but I think she was married to one). Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse - everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I'm sure that was totally a happy accident ("What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?").

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch
  244. Anonymous[995] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch


    'What did the Aztecs know from Jews? Think of it more as convergent evolution.'
    As JackD already pointed out, totem poles aren't Aztec -- but that leads me to a totally irrelevant observation.

    The images do look like the Aztecs or someone could have made them -- and don't South American Indian images look about the same?

    Why is that? These are totally distinct cultures, literally a whole continent apart. How come carvings in wood from British Columbian fishermen look like something Olmec corn farmers would have turned out in stone -- but not much like anything from the Old World?

    It's almost enough to make one start thinking in terms of racial consciousness or something.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Anonymous

    Why do you assume people living in central Mexico would be unaware of people living in the Pacific Northwest? That’s about a month of travel by foot with no big rivers or mountains in the way. There was probably trade between the two peoples (though probably though intermediaries rather than directly.)

    A more interesting question is whether the Maya and Aztecs were aware of each other. The geographic obstacles are much greater and American Indians had no shipbuilding technology that I’m aware of.

    •�Disagree: Colin Wright
    •�Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Anonymous


    Why do you assume people living in central Mexico would be unaware of people living in the Pacific Northwest? That’s about a month of travel by foot with no big rivers or mountains in the way.
    No big rivers or mountains you say?

    https://www.mapsales.com/map-images/superzoom/pod/newportgeographic/4106-1_04P.jpg
  245. @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    You never linked to the original and obfuscated the context (satire). Apparently, I’m not the only one who thought so: https://www.unz.com/isteve/harvard-crimson-claudine-gay-to-resign/#comment-6344617

    And at least a couple of others thought it was your original work and gave you kudos, but you never disabused them of the notion.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I acknowledge missteps and take responsibility for them.

    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. Much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at me . I condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    •�LOL: Hibernian, kaganovitch
    •�Replies: @MGB
    @Jack D


    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks.
    I thought you were a lawyer, Jack. You’re making yourself out to be a Jewish carpenter.

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks...'
    Puir Jack. All he does is demand that we support evil incarnate and avoid noticing who is destroying our country...and people say mean things about him!

    It's almost as bad as people being critical of Goebbels. So heartless...

    Replies: @Jack D
  246. @bomag
    @OK Boomer

    Serious? You described rot we should expunge.

    She should have graduated with that mark on her record. She should not have had the professorship or the presidency. Those positions should have gone to someone else.

    Her mentor would have known what to watch for, if he would have even taken her on. Could have taken someone else, or had fewer graduates; thus freeing resources for the next best opportunity.

    Her gains and salary look like misspent resources; should have gone to the party that lost out when she was advanced.

    Replies: @OK Boomer

    Oh, you must be new in Western “science”.

    Whenever something goes wrong, it is the fault of the junior researchers.

    But whenever a “discovery” or some deep “thoughts” gain even a modicum of recognition outside their research group, it’s the professor’s merit. Watch our host declaring respect to the Diamonds, Jareds and warts, without ever mentioning the people who presumably helped them. Or read The Daily Mail – same deference.

    Penalties for supervisors who supervised fraud do not really exist. The system encourages juniors to fake and seniors to look the other way or, worse, to boast.

    Your emotional plea implies the system can be improved. No, it needs to be changed, if dishonesty is to be eliminated.

  247. https://web.archive.org/web/20240103220525/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/opinion/claudine-gay-harvard-president.html

    Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me
    By Claudine Gay
    Jan. 3, 2024

    I don’t think Claudine plagiarized that headline from her cousin Roxane.

    •�LOL: kaganovitch, HammerJack
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910


    My inbox has been flooded with invective, including death threats. I’ve been called the N-word more times than I care to count.
    Yeah, that didn't happen. Sorry your race card is not accepted at this establishment. You will have to pay cash like the other customers.

    My critics found instances in my academic writings where some material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution.

    Your critics found them but you did them. The material didn't duplicate other scholars by itself. YOU did this. And "duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution" is a long winded way of saying the P-word.


    NYT Reader reaction very negative. They are not buyer her self pitying BS. If there was ever any doubt that Gay was unqualified, this op ed seals the deal.
    , @Colin Wright
    @MEH 0910


    'Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me'

    'I don’t think Claudine plagiarized that headline from her cousin Roxane.'
    It seems improbable.

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/15/arts/15xp-roxanegay/14xp-roxanegay-superJumbo.jpg
  248. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I acknowledge missteps and take responsibility for them.

    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. Much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at me . I condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    Replies: @MGB, @Colin Wright

    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks.

    I thought you were a lawyer, Jack. You’re making yourself out to be a Jewish carpenter.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @MGB

    In case you don't get it, this is plagiarized.

    Replies: @MGB
  249. Does she retain the “Dr.” appellation?

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Pontius


    Does she retain the “Dr.” appellation?
    Yes, unless they revoke her PhD.

    I have never heard of it being done, but it will definitely not be done to her.
  250. @Pontius
    Does she retain the "Dr." appellation?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Does she retain the “Dr.” appellation?

    Yes, unless they revoke her PhD.

    I have never heard of it being done, but it will definitely not be done to her.

  251. @MGB
    @Jack D


    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks.
    I thought you were a lawyer, Jack. You’re making yourself out to be a Jewish carpenter.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In case you don’t get it, this is plagiarized.

    •�Replies: @MGB
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I get it, Jack, I can follow a thread, but the words just happen to perfectly match your maudlin, eternal victimhood pose.

    Replies: @Jack D
  252. @MEH 0910
    https://web.archive.org/web/20240103220525/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/opinion/claudine-gay-harvard-president.html

    Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me
    By Claudine Gay
    Jan. 3, 2024
    I don't think Claudine plagiarized that headline from her cousin Roxane.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Colin Wright

    My inbox has been flooded with invective, including death threats. I’ve been called the N-word more times than I care to count.

    Yeah, that didn’t happen. Sorry your race card is not accepted at this establishment. You will have to pay cash like the other customers.

    My critics found instances in my academic writings where some material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution.

    Your critics found them but you did them. The material didn’t duplicate other scholars by itself. YOU did this. And “duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution” is a long winded way of saying the P-word.

    NYT Reader reaction very negative. They are not buyer her self pitying BS. If there was ever any doubt that Gay was unqualified, this op ed seals the deal.

    •�Thanks: HammerJack
  253. @Anon
    @kaganovitch

    I think it's entirely possible someone found something really bad that has yet to become public, because Gay was hanging in there, and the Harvard board was solidly behind her. This situation reeks of something that was used to lever her out of power.

    Penny Pritzker was Gay's patron. I bet JB Pritzker, who wants to replace Biden in the job of the Presidency, ordered her to cut Gay loose to keep from damaging the Pritzker family name ahead of the election.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …to keep from damaging the Pritzker family name…

    The Pritzkers are libel proof IMHO.

    •�Replies: @Brutusale
    @Hibernian

    Cousin Tom steps up.

    https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1742716148897010102
  254. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    The plagiarism allegations keep coming (and can be proved but also can dismissed as unimportant)
    You should have been a Jesuit.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    You should have been a Jesuit.

    Nothing wrong with that.

  255. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    What’s amazing in the end is that she got away with this for so many years because no one in academia wants to scrutinize the work of a Woman of Color anyway.
    What do you know about academic plagiarism? Anything at all? You were wrong about Penn’s rules on speech and expression. One of the professors whom Gay allegedly borrowed text from has come out saying that what she did does not rise to the level of academic plagiarism.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hibernian

    Even diploma mills (I got a Master’s in Project Management from one.) have clear plagiarism policies, although they’re not enforced. (One instructor preached against plagiarism and then dropped hints about how to get away with it.) Changing a few words is pointless; even if you truly put it in your own words you need to footnote it. If it’s a direct quote (Don’t have too many of these.) you need to use quotation marks and include a footnote. There are other rules as well.

    As I said, my diploma mill (De Vry) was lax about these things. Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League. It’s not OK for anyone really. Why should employers hire a cheater?

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Hibernian


    Why should employers hire a cheater?
    Right. That's what plagiarism comes down to.

    She could have gotten away with "mistakes were made" if there were just a few instances, but 40 is a career.
    , @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.
    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Art Deco, @Hibernian
  256. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I acknowledge missteps and take responsibility for them.

    It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks. Much of it has taken the form of repugnant and in some cases racist vitriol directed at me . I condemn such attacks in the strongest possible terms.

    Replies: @MGB, @Colin Wright

    ‘…It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks…’

    Puir Jack. All he does is demand that we support evil incarnate and avoid noticing who is destroying our country…and people say mean things about him!

    It’s almost as bad as people being critical of Goebbels. So heartless…

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized (from the Harvard Corporation's letter regarding Gay). In case you didn't get the joke the LOLs should have clued you in.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Blanc de Chine, @res
  257. @MEH 0910
    https://web.archive.org/web/20240103220525/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/opinion/claudine-gay-harvard-president.html

    Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me
    By Claudine Gay
    Jan. 3, 2024
    I don't think Claudine plagiarized that headline from her cousin Roxane.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Colin Wright

    ‘Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me’

    ‘I don’t think Claudine plagiarized that headline from her cousin Roxane.’

    It seems improbable.

  258. @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    Even diploma mills (I got a Master's in Project Management from one.) have clear plagiarism policies, although they're not enforced. (One instructor preached against plagiarism and then dropped hints about how to get away with it.) Changing a few words is pointless; even if you truly put it in your own words you need to footnote it. If it's a direct quote (Don't have too many of these.) you need to use quotation marks and include a footnote. There are other rules as well.

    As I said, my diploma mill (De Vry) was lax about these things. Don't let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League. It's not OK for anyone really. Why should employers hire a cheater?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anonymous

    Why should employers hire a cheater?

    Right. That’s what plagiarism comes down to.

    She could have gotten away with “mistakes were made” if there were just a few instances, but 40 is a career.

  259. @Jack D
    @MGB

    In case you don't get it, this is plagiarized.

    Replies: @MGB

    Yeah, I get it, Jack, I can follow a thread, but the words just happen to perfectly match your maudlin, eternal victimhood pose.

    •�Agree: Twinkie
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @MGB

    These are the words that the Harvard Corporation chose to describe Claudine Gay. She also describe herself in similar terms in today's NYT. I would never portray myself this way - if there is one thing that I detest it is people who compliment themselves, especially if they don't deserve it (Gay called herself an important scholar today). No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch
  260. Didn’t I read of some sort app teachers use to sift through student’s work for plagiarism? It might be quite a revelation applying it to randomly selected (cough) theses.

  261. @joelc
    A lot of people nowadays get destroyed by the media once they start bothering enough people. It's easy to cheer for this if you don't understand what's happening. Like some people who are revolted somehow that Gérard Depardieu was a sex addict and a pervert for the past 60 years... and yes yes, sure, just as he become that guy who love going to Russia and North-Korea, leftist medias think it is high time to claim he's a rapist.

    They did very much the same with Russel Brand. Obviously there. All those people we can't possibly name said you raped them. That's what we'll write in our papers anyway.

    Of course, that was the whole excuse to put Julian Assange away. Also, with the hysterical nature of the public in regard to pedophilia, it is very easy to claim anyone they deem an enemy to have been found to have a bunch of CP on their computer for an easy arrest. Nothing easier to plant.

    So yes, I cannot celebrate this bullshit, they hired her, they figured she was good enough for that prestigious position. Only once she pissed off the people who run America and her media, she got hounded by all of them and they could have built anything at all they wanted to make their case. We are meant to realize Harvard is an incompetent institution that can't even vet a proper President, imagine how bad they are at accepting the right students now. Why is it prestigious if their selection process cannot weed out a plagiarist? Still, you check the response to Ben Shapiro or the people working for him. They do struggle to keep a straight face now as everyone spit on them. He's like the new Jonah Goldberg. Another guy who fully disqualified himself embracing too ridiculous positions like the Nazis were leftists because socialists. Ben Shapiro is the worst person in the media now, because he is the most visible. It's obvious this guy never cared about America in anyway, he just play around easy stupid topics like feminists and tranny worship, because that's stuff most people agree with. Low hanging fruit debater who pick on crazy fringe viewpoints to show they are crazy fringe viewpoints. All the Daily Wire achieved so far is make Dylan Mulvaney filthy rich, so who's the dumb one exactly. He could come out in a few years and say, yes, I was trolling those idiots because that gig paid so damn well and they kept promoting me. This is all they are doing for America, highlighting this. But for Israel, the real homeland, now wait a second, this is serious, we're not discussing societal stuff, that's the patriotic duty to explain to the anti-tranny activist that it just make sense to side with baby-killers now, otherwise you're just a disgusting antisemite. But their readers and viewers aren't buying it.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    But for Israel, the real homeland, now wait a second, this is serious, [I, Ben Shapiro and my Daily Wire are] not discussing societal stuff, that’s the patriotic duty to explain to the anti-tranny activist that it just make sense to side with baby-killers now, otherwise you’re just a disgusting antisemite.

    At some point after October 7th I compared a variety of “conservative” sites and it was interesting to see Shapiro’s outfit was basically wall to wall coverage of the conflict, more than half the content. Other’s of course covered it, but much more modestly and largely the basics.

  262. @MGB
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I get it, Jack, I can follow a thread, but the words just happen to perfectly match your maudlin, eternal victimhood pose.

    Replies: @Jack D

    These are the words that the Harvard Corporation chose to describe Claudine Gay. She also describe herself in similar terms in today’s NYT. I would never portray myself this way – if there is one thing that I detest it is people who compliment themselves, especially if they don’t deserve it (Gay called herself an important scholar today). No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...I would never portray myself this way – if there is one thing that I detest it is people who compliment themselves, especially if they don’t deserve it (Gay called herself an important scholar today). No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.'
    Would this apply to collectives, or just to individuals?
    , @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.
    Indeed, as Claudine Gay herself wrote in Proverbs 27:2 "Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips."

    Replies: @Jack D
  263. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...It is also true that I have shown remarkable resilience in the face of deeply personal and sustained attacks...'
    Puir Jack. All he does is demand that we support evil incarnate and avoid noticing who is destroying our country...and people say mean things about him!

    It's almost as bad as people being critical of Goebbels. So heartless...

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized (from the Harvard Corporation’s letter regarding Gay). In case you didn’t get the joke the LOLs should have clued you in.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized
    It's not. You'd like to think so, because you overrate your own intellect as Jews are wont to do these days.

    Your modus operandi is transparently shameless. When you do something wrong, are wrong or are in the wrong, you try to paper over it and evade responsibility with so-called humor. When someone else is in the wrong, you go after him relentlessly like Shylock after a pound of flesh.

    It's not because you are a Jew that you get flak here. It's also not because others are "anti-Semites." It's because you are a hypocrite.

    You got a little dodgy with copy-and-pasting from another website without linking to the original. All you had to do was to admit that you neglected to do so and simply correct the record (and tell those who thought you cleverly came up with the satire that it was not your work). But you wouldn't do that. It's because you are shifty and dishonorable.

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Blanc de Chine
    @Jack D

    Agreed, but I think most do know you're making a joke but just like hating on you.
    , @res
    @Jack D

    You have to be careful about joking like that when so many of your sincere posts hover around the Onion Singularity.

    I also think you make a little too much use of plausible deniability (I was just joking!) in the rhetorical department. As any lawyer knows, even if a judge tells the jury to ignore what was said...they still heard it.
  264. Anonymous[128] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    Even diploma mills (I got a Master's in Project Management from one.) have clear plagiarism policies, although they're not enforced. (One instructor preached against plagiarism and then dropped hints about how to get away with it.) Changing a few words is pointless; even if you truly put it in your own words you need to footnote it. If it's a direct quote (Don't have too many of these.) you need to use quotation marks and include a footnote. There are other rules as well.

    As I said, my diploma mill (De Vry) was lax about these things. Don't let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League. It's not OK for anyone really. Why should employers hire a cheater?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anonymous

    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.

    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/03/news/acclaimed-black-scholar-demands-answers-from-harvard-board-over-claudine-gays-alleged-plagiarism-of-her-work/

    What Gay did would get a Harvard undergrad suspended. The guidelines are clear and there for all to see.

    https://usingsources.fas.harvard.edu/harvard-plagiarism-policy

    Students should always take great care to distinguish their own ideas and knowledge from information derived from sources. The term “sources” includes not only primary and secondary material published in print or online, but also information and opinions gained directly from other people. Quotations must be placed properly within quotation marks and must be cited fully. In addition, all paraphrased material must be acknowledged completely. Whenever ideas or facts are derived from a student’s reading and research or from a student’s own writings, the sources must be indicated
    This is not legal or statutory language but plain English that every student is expected to understand and follow.

    It's quite obvious that the liberals have circled the wagons and are giving Gay a break because she is one of their own and the flak is coming from conservatives (not BTW Joos as the men of unz say) and not because what she didn't wasn't plagiarism , because it was. The only reason it's not plagiarism is because she is one of their own. If this was something that Matt Gaetz did, it would be plagiarism all day long and twice on Sunday and they would be jumping all over him for it. But for their Claudine, all is forgiven.

    Harvard is not without breakthrus here. They have discovered many new and heretofore unknown words for plagiarism such as “duplicative language” and "inadequate citation". Gay in her piece in the NY Times said that her "material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution". What is an eight word phrase meaning plagiarism?

    Replies: @OK Boomer, @Art Deco
    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.
    I was "a professional academic" once (a military historian, to be specific). What Gay did was 100% plagiarism.

    But then again, we live in a country where a plagiarist is the president of the United States: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/

    That said, black mediocrities get high-flying jobs regardless of such "minor academic oversight" and they keep them too, so long as they don't rock the boat. Well, Gay rocked the pro-Israel boat. They aren't going to fire her with an overt, "You are fired, because you didn't support Israel hard enough" rationale (in which case she'll go to the court and embarrass Harvard). They are going to find something to latch onto (and mediocrities usually have lots of skeletons in the closet) - in Gay's case, it was her lack of academic rigor and plagiarism.

    If you think about it from their perspective, this is all the more reason to hire such mediocrities. Since they don't have an iron-clad, merit-supported position, they are going to be very loyal to the Establishment. And then, when, once in a while, a mediocrity screws up, well, you need to make an example of someone once in a while to demonstrate consequences, don't you - pour encourager les autres, as Voltaire wrote?

    Replies: @Hibernian
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anonymous


    Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Oh, come off it -- I work at a university, where I was involved in drafting the official plagiarism policy. What Gay did was gold-plated, textbook-illustration, write-it-up-as-a-case-study-to-warn-students, 100% doubt-free plagiarism.

    She didn't just plagiarize off-hand bits and pieces; she was swiping text that provided load-bearing walls for the arguments she was pretending to make. She even plagiarized someone's acknowledgements, which descends to depths of foolish stupidity I've never heard of even among students.

    Gay is a plagiarizer, full stop. Lots of people probably knew this already, and nobody cared.

    American higher ed is rotten, its heart of academic integrity eaten away by AA, grade inflation, over-expansion, and many other factors. Why would you take the word of one of its 'relevant and respected' academics as anything other than ass-covering BS?
    , @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    , but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic.
    ==
    No. Academic plagiarism is bloody obvious, but varies in severity and in the response it gets. I had a conversation once with an English professor who had just turned a student over to the j-board. "She made two tiny points in the paper and the rest of it was a paraphrase of two journal articles" (which had appeared in her bibliography). That prof talked to other professors who told her "I get papers like that all the time. I just grade the paper".
    , @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    You walked into an unplanned ambush.
  265. @Jack D
    @MGB

    These are the words that the Harvard Corporation chose to describe Claudine Gay. She also describe herself in similar terms in today's NYT. I would never portray myself this way - if there is one thing that I detest it is people who compliment themselves, especially if they don't deserve it (Gay called herself an important scholar today). No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch

    ‘…I would never portray myself this way – if there is one thing that I detest it is people who compliment themselves, especially if they don’t deserve it (Gay called herself an important scholar today). No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.’

    Would this apply to collectives, or just to individuals?

    •�LOL: Twinkie
  266. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized (from the Harvard Corporation's letter regarding Gay). In case you didn't get the joke the LOLs should have clued you in.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Blanc de Chine, @res

    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized

    It’s not. You’d like to think so, because you overrate your own intellect as Jews are wont to do these days.

    Your modus operandi is transparently shameless. When you do something wrong, are wrong or are in the wrong, you try to paper over it and evade responsibility with so-called humor. When someone else is in the wrong, you go after him relentlessly like Shylock after a pound of flesh.

    It’s not because you are a Jew that you get flak here. It’s also not because others are “anti-Semites.” It’s because you are a hypocrite.

    You got a little dodgy with copy-and-pasting from another website without linking to the original. All you had to do was to admit that you neglected to do so and simply correct the record (and tell those who thought you cleverly came up with the satire that it was not your work). But you wouldn’t do that. It’s because you are shifty and dishonorable.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    You wouldn't know humor if it hit you. You seem like a somewhat intelligent person. Apparently not quite good enough for a top Ivy which has given you a big chip on your shoulder concerning Jews, but not a total dummy like some here.

    But when God was giving out humor genes he skipped right over you. If I wanted advice on how to field strip an AR-15 or something like that, I wouldn't hesitate to call on you, but you are the last person whose word I would take on what is and is not funny.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  267. @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    They had four months notice of Summers' departure.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    They had four months notice of Summers’ departure.

    In other words, you are right in all circumstances except the circumstance that actually occurred.

    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up. The Gay affair has been ongoing for some time now. It is highly likely Harvard’s Board had a contingency plan or two well in place before the announcement of resignation (aka the firing).

    When Summers was fired for “misogyny,” a woman was hired to replace him (I don’t recall whether she was Jewish or not, but I think she was married to one). Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse – everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I’m sure that was totally a happy accident (“What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?”).

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    The interim president is typically the provost. I'm sorry this bothers you.

    Replies: @Twinkie
    , @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie


    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up.
    While I'm no expert on the matter, from what I can see from recent events your contention, that provosts are the go-to when presidents are expected to return and not otherwise, is generally correct. There are 5 instances of a University president dying suddenly that I found in the last few years. Only one of those was replaced by the Provost.

    1 - Joanne Epps at Temple was replaced by interim President Richard Englert who was Chancellor previous to his interim appointment. He had served as President in the past as well as Provost.

    2 - Orinthia T. Montague at Volunteer State Community College was replaced by interim President Russ Deaton, the Tennessee Board of Regents’ Executive Vice Chancellor for Policy and Strategy

    3 - Irving Pressley McPhail at Saint Augustine University was replaced by interim President Maria Arvelo Lumpkin who was Chief Operating Officer previous to her interim appointment.

    4 - Donald J. Farish at Roger Williams University was replaced by interim President Andy Workman who was Provost previous to his interim appointment.

    5 - Aaron Panken at Hebrew Union College was replaced by interim President David Ellenson who was a past President of HUC.

    It would seem when a past president is available that's, understandably, the default.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie


    Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse – everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I’m sure that was totally a happy accident (“What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?”).
    This would seem to be a somewhat tendentious reading of the situation. Indeed, Harvard's board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too. It is only when their feet were held to the fire by Rufo et al. regarding the plagiarism, which by their own rules was entirely indefensible, that they had to cut bait. Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived. They, of course, didn't care about plagiarism per se. They just couldn't ignore it when it was getting so much publicity. Now if you're arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn't have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right but then your 'It's no accident' analysis of the Board's decision re provost is without foundation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Twinkie
  268. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.
    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Art Deco, @Hibernian

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/03/news/acclaimed-black-scholar-demands-answers-from-harvard-board-over-claudine-gays-alleged-plagiarism-of-her-work/

    What Gay did would get a Harvard undergrad suspended. The guidelines are clear and there for all to see.

    https://usingsources.fas.harvard.edu/harvard-plagiarism-policy

    Students should always take great care to distinguish their own ideas and knowledge from information derived from sources. The term “sources” includes not only primary and secondary material published in print or online, but also information and opinions gained directly from other people. Quotations must be placed properly within quotation marks and must be cited fully. In addition, all paraphrased material must be acknowledged completely. Whenever ideas or facts are derived from a student’s reading and research or from a student’s own writings, the sources must be indicated

    This is not legal or statutory language but plain English that every student is expected to understand and follow.

    It’s quite obvious that the liberals have circled the wagons and are giving Gay a break because she is one of their own and the flak is coming from conservatives (not BTW Joos as the men of unz say) and not because what she didn’t wasn’t plagiarism , because it was. The only reason it’s not plagiarism is because she is one of their own. If this was something that Matt Gaetz did, it would be plagiarism all day long and twice on Sunday and they would be jumping all over him for it. But for their Claudine, all is forgiven.

    Harvard is not without breakthrus here. They have discovered many new and heretofore unknown words for plagiarism such as “duplicative language” and “inadequate citation”. Gay in her piece in the NY Times said that her “material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution”. What is an eight word phrase meaning plagiarism?

    •�Agree: Frau Katze
    •�Thanks: Hibernian
    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    Acshually, there's a big cohort of 125 Harvard undergrads who were suspended in 2012 for submitting plagiarized take-home exams in a Government class. (Yes, the new Lenin University has that sort of courses in droves.) In theory, 70 students were expelled, but, in practice, there is no single name on the internet, so that we can check these claims.

    In the light of my theory, which states that plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder, I can understand why 70 were expelled and the remainder, 55, were not. Rich parents are a more likely explanation than sacred races or ethnicities.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @res
    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Southern Illinois University Edwardsville fired a business professor some years back. The excuse for firing him was that in the dossier he'd compiled (for an interim review, IIRC), he'd included a statement of his 'teaching philosophy' that he'd pulled off the web. (The faculty member who'd originally posted the statement was congenial about it). The dean who fired him was later compelled to admit that he hadn't written a public address he'd recently given.
  269. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized
    It's not. You'd like to think so, because you overrate your own intellect as Jews are wont to do these days.

    Your modus operandi is transparently shameless. When you do something wrong, are wrong or are in the wrong, you try to paper over it and evade responsibility with so-called humor. When someone else is in the wrong, you go after him relentlessly like Shylock after a pound of flesh.

    It's not because you are a Jew that you get flak here. It's also not because others are "anti-Semites." It's because you are a hypocrite.

    You got a little dodgy with copy-and-pasting from another website without linking to the original. All you had to do was to admit that you neglected to do so and simply correct the record (and tell those who thought you cleverly came up with the satire that it was not your work). But you wouldn't do that. It's because you are shifty and dishonorable.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You wouldn’t know humor if it hit you. You seem like a somewhat intelligent person. Apparently not quite good enough for a top Ivy which has given you a big chip on your shoulder concerning Jews, but not a total dummy like some here.

    But when God was giving out humor genes he skipped right over you. If I wanted advice on how to field strip an AR-15 or something like that, I wouldn’t hesitate to call on you, but you are the last person whose word I would take on what is and is not funny.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    You wouldn’t know humor if it hit you.
    I'm pretty sure I've garnered more (non-ironic) LOL's than you here. As with intelligence, you overrate your own humor (laughing at your own joke, for example, is not a good estimate of it).

    I tend to have a somewhat droll and dry sense of humor (my favorite comic sequence onscreen is probably Dennis the Peasant scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail). And I don't use an overrated self-sense of humor to dodge responsibility either.

    You seem like a somewhat intelligent person. Apparently not quite good enough for a top Ivy which has given you a big chip on your shoulder concerning Jews, but not a total dummy like some here.
    I scored 99 percentile in both quantitative and verbal sections on the SAT and the GRE back in the late 80's and early 90's. How about you? Don't let the affirmative action for Jews confuse you deeper into Dunning-Kruger.

    My regret - to the extent I have one - isn't about Jews or the Ivies (just because I call you out your shifty jackassery online doesn't mean I spend my days thinking about Jews or you - again, stop overrating your own importance in the world). It is that, having been born a foreigner, I was only able to Naturalize as an adult and could not attend one of the service academies as a young man. But even that doesn't bother me all that much, because I still got to serve my country once I became a citizen and I hope that one or more of my sons will attend in any case.

    You can engage in sour ad hominem all you want, but you know that I have rebutted most of your unsupported assertions with ease and you generally just disappear after losing and then pop up on another thread with the same shtick. And I am not the only to note your dishonest and dishonorable antics here.

    you are the last person whose word I would take on what is and is not funny.
    Frankly, I know that I spanked your ass intellectually... because it is precisely when you lose an argument that you resort to "You have no sense of humor" shtick.

    I'm going to give you a genuine advice (which will be pearls before swine, but I try). If you want to be respected more by others here (and in real life) instead of being deservedly vilified, heartily and readily admit that you were wrong or made a mistake instead of being evasive, shifty, or trying to be "funny" when in the wrong. Or you can keep being the way you have been and conform to the stereotypes. And you might also keep in mind that you aren't just writing to me - there are other commenters and readers here. Try to have some self-awareness about how you come off by reading your own writings objectively.
  270. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    You wouldn't know humor if it hit you. You seem like a somewhat intelligent person. Apparently not quite good enough for a top Ivy which has given you a big chip on your shoulder concerning Jews, but not a total dummy like some here.

    But when God was giving out humor genes he skipped right over you. If I wanted advice on how to field strip an AR-15 or something like that, I wouldn't hesitate to call on you, but you are the last person whose word I would take on what is and is not funny.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You wouldn’t know humor if it hit you.

    I’m pretty sure I’ve garnered more (non-ironic) LOL’s than you here. As with intelligence, you overrate your own humor (laughing at your own joke, for example, is not a good estimate of it).

    I tend to have a somewhat droll and dry sense of humor (my favorite comic sequence onscreen is probably Dennis the Peasant scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail). And I don’t use an overrated self-sense of humor to dodge responsibility either.

    You seem like a somewhat intelligent person. Apparently not quite good enough for a top Ivy which has given you a big chip on your shoulder concerning Jews, but not a total dummy like some here.

    I scored 99 percentile in both quantitative and verbal sections on the SAT and the GRE back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. How about you? Don’t let the affirmative action for Jews confuse you deeper into Dunning-Kruger.

    My regret – to the extent I have one – isn’t about Jews or the Ivies (just because I call you out your shifty jackassery online doesn’t mean I spend my days thinking about Jews or you – again, stop overrating your own importance in the world). It is that, having been born a foreigner, I was only able to Naturalize as an adult and could not attend one of the service academies as a young man. But even that doesn’t bother me all that much, because I still got to serve my country once I became a citizen and I hope that one or more of my sons will attend in any case.

    You can engage in sour ad hominem all you want, but you know that I have rebutted most of your unsupported assertions with ease and you generally just disappear after losing and then pop up on another thread with the same shtick. And I am not the only to note your dishonest and dishonorable antics here.

    you are the last person whose word I would take on what is and is not funny.

    Frankly, I know that I spanked your ass intellectually… because it is precisely when you lose an argument that you resort to “You have no sense of humor” shtick.

    I’m going to give you a genuine advice (which will be pearls before swine, but I try). If you want to be respected more by others here (and in real life) instead of being deservedly vilified, heartily and readily admit that you were wrong or made a mistake instead of being evasive, shifty, or trying to be “funny” when in the wrong. Or you can keep being the way you have been and conform to the stereotypes. And you might also keep in mind that you aren’t just writing to me – there are other commenters and readers here. Try to have some self-awareness about how you come off by reading your own writings objectively.

  271. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.
    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Art Deco, @Hibernian

    but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    I was “a professional academic” once (a military historian, to be specific). What Gay did was 100% plagiarism.

    But then again, we live in a country where a plagiarist is the president of the United States: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/

    That said, black mediocrities get high-flying jobs regardless of such “minor academic oversight” and they keep them too, so long as they don’t rock the boat. Well, Gay rocked the pro-Israel boat. They aren’t going to fire her with an overt, “You are fired, because you didn’t support Israel hard enough” rationale (in which case she’ll go to the court and embarrass Harvard). They are going to find something to latch onto (and mediocrities usually have lots of skeletons in the closet) – in Gay’s case, it was her lack of academic rigor and plagiarism.

    If you think about it from their perspective, this is all the more reason to hire such mediocrities. Since they don’t have an iron-clad, merit-supported position, they are going to be very loyal to the Establishment. And then, when, once in a while, a mediocrity screws up, well, you need to make an example of someone once in a while to demonstrate consequences, don’t you – pour encourager les autres, as Voltaire wrote?

    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @Twinkie


    I was “a professional academic” once (a military historian, to be specific). What Gay did was 100% plagiarism.

    But then again, we live in a country where a plagiarist is the president of the United States: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/
    This.
  272. anonymous[290] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Boy, that's apropos of nothing.

    Do you think Russia is winning?

    Replies: @anonymous

    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types – who are always so accurate with all of their reporting on other topics – may have been a mistake? Maybe the Biden Admin and the CIA were not being honest?

    Or do you think Ukraine just needs some more money to turn things around?

    •�Replies: @Colin Wright
    @anonymous


    'It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types...'
    To be fair about it, I don't think Russia has 'won' -- not completely at any rate.

    Totaler Sieg would have been Russia pulling off her Czechoslovakia 1968 reenactment; the Bear comes in, scares hell out of everybody, and installs obedient vassals.

    That didn't work out -- but it was clear it wasn't going to after about a month. This could have been settled back then -- and would have been, if we hadn't seen fit to encourage the Ukraine to prolong matters.

    Now we'll wind up right where we were back then: yes, the Ukraine is independent, no, it can't join NATO, no, it doesn't include the Crimea et al.

    Nor should it. But we could have avoided the expenditure of billions, the death of tens of thousands, and the virtual depopulation of the Ukraine -- and it was obvious we could have.

    It's all been a stupid fucking waste. I don't think it even benefitted Biden's handlers politically, in the end.

    Replies: @HA
    , @Jack D
    @anonymous


    Russia has already won
    That's funny because Russia "already" won starting the moment that they invaded according to Rushists. Russia has ALWAYS "already" won, they just haven't gone thru the trouble of actually rolling into Kiev. But they'll be there any day now, for sure.

    Putin is always going to "win" this war in his own estimation because he controls the definition of victory. Whatever he says is "victory" is victory. If "victory" means being fought to a stalemate and loosing 300,000 young men, then sure they have achieved "victory".

    Any honest observer would say that it's a stalemate at the moment at best but neither side is ready to throw in the towel so the war grinds on and Putin keeps pouring Russian blood and wealth into his endless war which never gets anywhere. If that is victory then it's the Pyrrhic kind.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @OK Boomer
    , @Twinkie
    @anonymous


    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won.
    Anyone who thinks that "Russia has already won" is delusional. Russia failed to topple Kyiv and has suffered significant casualties, including the destruction of a whole tank army (our equivalent of a mechanized corps) as well as evaporation of a large number of elite units (Spetsnaz, marine infantry, etc.), the rebuilding of which will take years. Its force projection capability has been drastically curtailed and it's now resorting to buying munitions from a failed state (i.e. North Korea).

    The accurate description for the current state of affairs in the Russo-Ukrainian War is a stalemate.

    That said, I've written numerous times here that, in the long term, Russia enjoys the better correlation of forces, for the simple fact that its military procurement is natively sourced whereas Ukraine relies significantly on foreign aid, which - sooner or later - has an expiration date. Russia may win in the future, but even if it does so, it will have been a very expensive victory. Anatoly Karlin, for once, wasn't wrong to describe such a victory as a Pyrrhic one.
  273. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.
    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Art Deco, @Hibernian

    Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Oh, come off it — I work at a university, where I was involved in drafting the official plagiarism policy. What Gay did was gold-plated, textbook-illustration, write-it-up-as-a-case-study-to-warn-students, 100% doubt-free plagiarism.

    She didn’t just plagiarize off-hand bits and pieces; she was swiping text that provided load-bearing walls for the arguments she was pretending to make. She even plagiarized someone’s acknowledgements, which descends to depths of foolish stupidity I’ve never heard of even among students.

    Gay is a plagiarizer, full stop. Lots of people probably knew this already, and nobody cared.

    American higher ed is rotten, its heart of academic integrity eaten away by AA, grade inflation, over-expansion, and many other factors. Why would you take the word of one of its ‘relevant and respected’ academics as anything other than ass-covering BS?

    •�Agree: Twinkie, HammerJack, Frau Katze
    •�Thanks: Hibernian
  274. @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright

    Why do you assume people living in central Mexico would be unaware of people living in the Pacific Northwest? That's about a month of travel by foot with no big rivers or mountains in the way. There was probably trade between the two peoples (though probably though intermediaries rather than directly.)

    A more interesting question is whether the Maya and Aztecs were aware of each other. The geographic obstacles are much greater and American Indians had no shipbuilding technology that I'm aware of.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Why do you assume people living in central Mexico would be unaware of people living in the Pacific Northwest? That’s about a month of travel by foot with no big rivers or mountains in the way.

    No big rivers or mountains you say?

    •�Agree: Frau Katze
  275. Forbes:
    https://archive.ph/NyMwv

    Claudine Gay Resigns From Harvard: Why Black Excellence Is Never Enough
    Janice Gassam Asare Senior Contributor
    I help create strategies for more diversity, equity, and inclusion.
    Jan 2, 2024

    •�Thanks: Colin Wright
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    Maybe "Black excellence" is not the same thing as just plain excellence, just like "social justice" is not justice as commonly understood?

    Replies: @Art Deco
    , @res
    @MEH 0910

    At least the comments are encouraging. I am amazed they were posted. Can someone with access to the original page check to see if they are still there?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D
  276. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/03/news/acclaimed-black-scholar-demands-answers-from-harvard-board-over-claudine-gays-alleged-plagiarism-of-her-work/

    What Gay did would get a Harvard undergrad suspended. The guidelines are clear and there for all to see.

    https://usingsources.fas.harvard.edu/harvard-plagiarism-policy

    Students should always take great care to distinguish their own ideas and knowledge from information derived from sources. The term “sources” includes not only primary and secondary material published in print or online, but also information and opinions gained directly from other people. Quotations must be placed properly within quotation marks and must be cited fully. In addition, all paraphrased material must be acknowledged completely. Whenever ideas or facts are derived from a student’s reading and research or from a student’s own writings, the sources must be indicated
    This is not legal or statutory language but plain English that every student is expected to understand and follow.

    It's quite obvious that the liberals have circled the wagons and are giving Gay a break because she is one of their own and the flak is coming from conservatives (not BTW Joos as the men of unz say) and not because what she didn't wasn't plagiarism , because it was. The only reason it's not plagiarism is because she is one of their own. If this was something that Matt Gaetz did, it would be plagiarism all day long and twice on Sunday and they would be jumping all over him for it. But for their Claudine, all is forgiven.

    Harvard is not without breakthrus here. They have discovered many new and heretofore unknown words for plagiarism such as “duplicative language” and "inadequate citation". Gay in her piece in the NY Times said that her "material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution". What is an eight word phrase meaning plagiarism?

    Replies: @OK Boomer, @Art Deco

    Acshually, there’s a big cohort of 125 Harvard undergrads who were suspended in 2012 for submitting plagiarized take-home exams in a Government class. (Yes, the new Lenin University has that sort of courses in droves.) In theory, 70 students were expelled, but, in practice, there is no single name on the internet, so that we can check these claims.

    In the light of my theory, which states that plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder, I can understand why 70 were expelled and the remainder, 55, were not. Rich parents are a more likely explanation than sacred races or ethnicities.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @OK Boomer

    In the light of my theory, which states that plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder,
    ==
    That's not a theory. It's a mendacious assertion.
    , @res
    @OK Boomer


    in practice, there is no single name on the internet
    What about this?
    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/2/1/cheating-scandal-smith-withdraw/

    Basketball co-captains Kyle D. Casey ’13 and Brandyn T. Curry ’13, who were expected to lead the team to another NCAA tournament appearance, gained widespread media attention after news outlets reported that the star players had chosen to withdraw from the team after being investigated.
    Though the article does state:

    Smith’s email, however, said that the University has not commented on any particular student’s case and will continue to adhere to this policy.
    P.S. More here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Harvard_cheating_scandal

    Replies: @OK Boomer
  277. S says:

    I wonder what would be said if she were to do the unthinkable and start saying: ‘They let the Nobel prize winner Dr Martin Luther King and the current president Joe Biden do the exact same I’ve been accused of with no long term repercussions. Why am I being treated differently?’

    Probably it simply wouldn’t be reported and she’d be further unpersoned more than she already is I suppose.

    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @S

    Dr. King had been dead for a fair number of years when his plagiarism was discovered, and Joltin' Joe is a politician, enough said.
  278. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.
    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Art Deco, @Hibernian

    , but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic.
    ==
    No. Academic plagiarism is bloody obvious, but varies in severity and in the response it gets. I had a conversation once with an English professor who had just turned a student over to the j-board. “She made two tiny points in the paper and the rest of it was a paraphrase of two journal articles” (which had appeared in her bibliography). That prof talked to other professors who told her “I get papers like that all the time. I just grade the paper”.

    •�Thanks: Hibernian
  279. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    They had four months notice of Summers’ departure.
    In other words, you are right in all circumstances except the circumstance that actually occurred.

    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up. The Gay affair has been ongoing for some time now. It is highly likely Harvard's Board had a contingency plan or two well in place before the announcement of resignation (aka the firing).

    When Summers was fired for "misogyny," a woman was hired to replace him (I don't recall whether she was Jewish or not, but I think she was married to one). Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse - everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I'm sure that was totally a happy accident ("What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?").

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    The interim president is typically the provost. I’m sorry this bothers you.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    The interim president is typically the provost.
    Alas, not what happened the last time a Harvard president was fired.

    I’m sorry this bothers you.
    It’s noted that you, like Jack D, shift to ad hominem/argument by internet psych analysis when reality contradict your assertions.
  280. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/03/news/acclaimed-black-scholar-demands-answers-from-harvard-board-over-claudine-gays-alleged-plagiarism-of-her-work/

    What Gay did would get a Harvard undergrad suspended. The guidelines are clear and there for all to see.

    https://usingsources.fas.harvard.edu/harvard-plagiarism-policy

    Students should always take great care to distinguish their own ideas and knowledge from information derived from sources. The term “sources” includes not only primary and secondary material published in print or online, but also information and opinions gained directly from other people. Quotations must be placed properly within quotation marks and must be cited fully. In addition, all paraphrased material must be acknowledged completely. Whenever ideas or facts are derived from a student’s reading and research or from a student’s own writings, the sources must be indicated
    This is not legal or statutory language but plain English that every student is expected to understand and follow.

    It's quite obvious that the liberals have circled the wagons and are giving Gay a break because she is one of their own and the flak is coming from conservatives (not BTW Joos as the men of unz say) and not because what she didn't wasn't plagiarism , because it was. The only reason it's not plagiarism is because she is one of their own. If this was something that Matt Gaetz did, it would be plagiarism all day long and twice on Sunday and they would be jumping all over him for it. But for their Claudine, all is forgiven.

    Harvard is not without breakthrus here. They have discovered many new and heretofore unknown words for plagiarism such as “duplicative language” and "inadequate citation". Gay in her piece in the NY Times said that her "material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution". What is an eight word phrase meaning plagiarism?

    Replies: @OK Boomer, @Art Deco

    Southern Illinois University Edwardsville fired a business professor some years back. The excuse for firing him was that in the dossier he’d compiled (for an interim review, IIRC), he’d included a statement of his ‘teaching philosophy’ that he’d pulled off the web. (The faculty member who’d originally posted the statement was congenial about it). The dean who fired him was later compelled to admit that he hadn’t written a public address he’d recently given.

  281. @Hibernian
    @Anon


    ...to keep from damaging the Pritzker family name...
    The Pritzkers are libel proof IMHO.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Cousin Tom steps up.

  282. The alternative to Gay is not Ackman’s preferred candidate, it’s probably somebody closer to the Egyptian woman who runs Columbia or an Asian guy. In other words, Gay was probably the compromise candidate that Jews were willing to tolerate because Gay doesn’t represent an intra-elite rival to Jews, in the same way that Obama was not a rival to Jews but Ramaswamy is.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @bjdubbs

    Thanks for the issue of your imagination. We're all educated.
  283. @MEH 0910
    Forbes:
    https://archive.ph/NyMwv

    Claudine Gay Resigns From Harvard: Why Black Excellence Is Never Enough
    Janice Gassam Asare Senior Contributor
    I help create strategies for more diversity, equity, and inclusion.
    Jan 2, 2024

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

    Maybe “Black excellence” is not the same thing as just plain excellence, just like “social justice” is not justice as commonly understood?

    •�Agree: Frau Katze
    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    No. The bint has no idea what 'excellence' actually is.

    Replies: @Jack D
  284. @bomag
    @Jim Bob Lassiter


    ...daughter of Haitian immigrants
    I recall it being mentioned. (I didn't know her sister was a lesbian until this thread.) I imagine press rooms fussed a bit over how much to highlight that angle.

    On one hand, "Black immigrant female out competes all flavor of White for top job" is Narrative ecstasy.

    On the other hand, not being an American descendant of slaves is fraught, so maybe talk around it, and highlight the pictures.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Prester John

    That’s it! Harvard will appoint a descendant of slaves, complete with the obligatory “how I overcame racism” sob story that will have the Manhattan Upper West Side crowd clutching at their pearls. The Ruling Class which runs Harvard will be happy, as will their acolytes in Big Media. Give it a couple of news cycles and Gay Claudine will be memory-holed.

  285. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized (from the Harvard Corporation's letter regarding Gay). In case you didn't get the joke the LOLs should have clued you in.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Blanc de Chine, @res

    Agreed, but I think most do know you’re making a joke but just like hating on you.

  286. res says:
    @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    This is like an IQ test. The people who are not humorless dolts get that this is plagiarized (from the Harvard Corporation's letter regarding Gay). In case you didn't get the joke the LOLs should have clued you in.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Blanc de Chine, @res

    You have to be careful about joking like that when so many of your sincere posts hover around the Onion Singularity.

    I also think you make a little too much use of plausible deniability (I was just joking!) in the rhetorical department. As any lawyer knows, even if a judge tells the jury to ignore what was said…they still heard it.

    •�Agree: Twinkie
  287. @MEH 0910
    Forbes:
    https://archive.ph/NyMwv

    Claudine Gay Resigns From Harvard: Why Black Excellence Is Never Enough
    Janice Gassam Asare Senior Contributor
    I help create strategies for more diversity, equity, and inclusion.
    Jan 2, 2024

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

    At least the comments are encouraging. I am amazed they were posted. Can someone with access to the original page check to see if they are still there?

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    I'm sorry, but your black card has reached its credit limit and further withdrawals are not permitted at this time.
    , @Jack D
    @res

    Here are the current "Best" rated comments:

    How does one become tenured in 2006 with only 6 peer reviewed articles. Then to become the president with only 11 peer reviewed articles total. She was never qualified to be in her position and would have never been considered without DEI. There was no underling "excellence".


    I'm assuming "black excellence" in Leftspeak means someone with sufficiently dark skin and sufficiently woke views, to include the right sorts of racism. Apparently it has little to do with either actual academic accomplishment or moral principles, but that's hardly news on the Left anymore.


    Gay's "black excellence" apparently was stolen from an actual accomplished black scholar named Dr Carol Swain, who worked her way up from a cashier at McDonalds through a Yale law degree and a PhD from the University of North Carolina, and who was forced into early retirement because her politics weren't sufficiently socialist. Apparently Dr Swain's work wasn't good enough to retain her as a tenured professor at Vanderbilt University, but valuable enough for the President of Harvard to steal.

    The Forbes readership doesn't strike me as one that would buy into the "Black excellence" idiocy ("Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?") but apparently even publications with naturally conservative readership like Forbes and the WSJ now have young Woke journalists (who are willing to work cheap). The new economics mean that a lot of the writers are "freelancers" who get paid bubkes.

    At my local paper, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the readership/journalist gap became so yawning that they just killed reader comments so that they could print their "Black excellence" diatribes/new stories unchallenged.

    This dichotomy exists in Ivy universities also though you wouldn't know it from the press coverage. 100% of Harvard students are not marching around with kaffiyehs voicing their support for Students for Pogroms in Israel. The most popular job choices are working for banks and consulting cos, which pay a LOT better than freelancing for Forbes.
  288. @res
    @MEH 0910

    At least the comments are encouraging. I am amazed they were posted. Can someone with access to the original page check to see if they are still there?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    I’m sorry, but your black card has reached its credit limit and further withdrawals are not permitted at this time.

  289. @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    The interim president is typically the provost. I'm sorry this bothers you.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The interim president is typically the provost.

    Alas, not what happened the last time a Harvard president was fired.

    I’m sorry this bothers you.

    It’s noted that you, like Jack D, shift to ad hominem/argument by internet psych analysis when reality contradict your assertions.

  290. @anonymous
    @Jack D

    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types - who are always so accurate with all of their reporting on other topics - may have been a mistake? Maybe the Biden Admin and the CIA were not being honest?

    Or do you think Ukraine just needs some more money to turn things around?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    ‘It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types…’

    To be fair about it, I don’t think Russia has ‘won’ — not completely at any rate.

    Totaler Sieg would have been Russia pulling off her Czechoslovakia 1968 reenactment; the Bear comes in, scares hell out of everybody, and installs obedient vassals.

    That didn’t work out — but it was clear it wasn’t going to after about a month. This could have been settled back then — and would have been, if we hadn’t seen fit to encourage the Ukraine to prolong matters.

    Now we’ll wind up right where we were back then: yes, the Ukraine is independent, no, it can’t join NATO, no, it doesn’t include the Crimea et al.

    Nor should it. But we could have avoided the expenditure of billions, the death of tens of thousands, and the virtual depopulation of the Ukraine — and it was obvious we could have.

    It’s all been a stupid fucking waste. I don’t think it even benefitted Biden’s handlers politically, in the end.

    •�Agree: Mark G.
    •�Replies: @HA
    @Colin Wright

    "This could have been settled back then..."

    Settled? As in, some situation where Ukraine is allowed to keep on existing? Yeah, sure.

    Just to be clear, you're saying that Putin would have just been satisfied with a) not just getting to keep all the land he swiped, but also b) a "neutrality clause" that forbade Ukraine from re-arming (so that the next time he chose to invade, it would indeed only take 3 days)?

    Remember, he already HAD an agreement for Ukraine to stay out of NATO. His own envoy said so. He chose to invade anyway. So, given that he was rewarded for invading the first time, you're saying something somewhere will somehow prevent him from doing it again even though he would get even more territory that way. Maybe his iron-clad word, or something equally rock solid? Is that the gist?

    No, back on planet earth, down below the sky-high fumes of whatever it is you're smoking, here is what "settling" would actually mean. Given that Ukraine is just a stepping stone to settling things in Eastern Europe as whole, any so-called "peace deal" would just mean that the Ukrainian men fighting to keep their own country would instead be fighting to invade some other country Putin wants for himself, much as has already happened with the territories Putin has already "liberated". After all, they have to show their gratitude in some way, and serving as cannon fodder is all they were ever good for in Moscow's eyes anyway.
  291. @res
    @MEH 0910

    At least the comments are encouraging. I am amazed they were posted. Can someone with access to the original page check to see if they are still there?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    Here are the current “Best” rated comments:

    How does one become tenured in 2006 with only 6 peer reviewed articles. Then to become the president with only 11 peer reviewed articles total. She was never qualified to be in her position and would have never been considered without DEI. There was no underling “excellence”.

    I’m assuming “black excellence” in Leftspeak means someone with sufficiently dark skin and sufficiently woke views, to include the right sorts of racism. Apparently it has little to do with either actual academic accomplishment or moral principles, but that’s hardly news on the Left anymore.

    Gay’s “black excellence” apparently was stolen from an actual accomplished black scholar named Dr Carol Swain, who worked her way up from a cashier at McDonalds through a Yale law degree and a PhD from the University of North Carolina, and who was forced into early retirement because her politics weren’t sufficiently socialist. Apparently Dr Swain’s work wasn’t good enough to retain her as a tenured professor at Vanderbilt University, but valuable enough for the President of Harvard to steal.

    The Forbes readership doesn’t strike me as one that would buy into the “Black excellence” idiocy (“Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?”) but apparently even publications with naturally conservative readership like Forbes and the WSJ now have young Woke journalists (who are willing to work cheap). The new economics mean that a lot of the writers are “freelancers” who get paid bubkes.

    At my local paper, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the readership/journalist gap became so yawning that they just killed reader comments so that they could print their “Black excellence” diatribes/new stories unchallenged.

    This dichotomy exists in Ivy universities also though you wouldn’t know it from the press coverage. 100% of Harvard students are not marching around with kaffiyehs voicing their support for Students for Pogroms in Israel. The most popular job choices are working for banks and consulting cos, which pay a LOT better than freelancing for Forbes.

    •�Thanks: res
  292. @anonymous
    @Jack D

    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types - who are always so accurate with all of their reporting on other topics - may have been a mistake? Maybe the Biden Admin and the CIA were not being honest?

    Or do you think Ukraine just needs some more money to turn things around?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    Russia has already won

    That’s funny because Russia “already” won starting the moment that they invaded according to Rushists. Russia has ALWAYS “already” won, they just haven’t gone thru the trouble of actually rolling into Kiev. But they’ll be there any day now, for sure.

    Putin is always going to “win” this war in his own estimation because he controls the definition of victory. Whatever he says is “victory” is victory. If “victory” means being fought to a stalemate and loosing 300,000 young men, then sure they have achieved “victory”.

    Any honest observer would say that it’s a stalemate at the moment at best but neither side is ready to throw in the towel so the war grinds on and Putin keeps pouring Russian blood and wealth into his endless war which never gets anywhere. If that is victory then it’s the Pyrrhic kind.

    •�Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    What is your source for Russia having 300k KIA?

    Anything besides the same media orgs that said Trump was a Russian agent, Rittenhouse chased and gunned down innocent protesters, Trayvon/Michael Brown/George Floyd were innocent Black Men gunned down by racist whites, the Covington kids were bullies to a native American Vietnam vet, BLM being mostly peaceful, mountains of false info about Covid, the usual reporting on race and crime, etc. I am sure this time it is different, and the NY times and WA Post are reporting the truth!

    Speaking of "should have happened" predictions, here is a flashback to what the CIA/MI6 talking points in the western media have said would happen:


    1. Russia blew up its own pipeline to Germany
    2. Sanctions would destroy the Russian economy, not make it stronger
    3. Ukraine would make the Russian military weaker, not stronger
    4. The Russian people would become furious with Putin and no longer support him because of how the war was going
    5. Putin has cancer/disease/had a mental breakdown and will be dying soon
    6. The Russian military would overthrow Putin due to how poorly the war was going
    7. Russia did not have the economy or resources to out produce artillery and other weapons compared to Europe and America, so Russia would be running out of weapons soon
    8. The counter offensive would result in Ukraine defeating Russia and driving them out of the nation
    9. Putin is a crazy conspiracy theorist and America did not have multiple active bio labs in Ukraine
    10. Putin would never seriously negotiate because he wanted to recreate the USSR
    11. Russia has faced far more deaths and casualties than Ukraine, so Ukraine is/was winning on a large scale
    12. Russia does not have hypersonic missiles because they are not advanced enough to develop them, and American tech can shoot anything they have down
    13. Russia's military is both simultaneously a joke and will conquer the rest of Europe unless billions more dollars from American taxpayers keep going to Ukraine and the MIC.
    14. Trump supporters are Nazis and are the biggest threat to American national security, but actual Nazis in Ukraine need taxpayer support because it is a complicated issue


    I have personally witnessed all of the above reported over and over by the Biden admin and the mainstream media, only for the facts to eventually come out. Everything was CIA propaganda along the same lines of WMDs in Iraq, and even media types are starting to slowly back away from the above - even the WAPO took down its Ukraine banner link from the top of their site. Now the goals have shifted yet again, claiming the war is a stalemate and it is a victory to stop Russia in its tracks.

    The war is over in the same sense that it was over for Germany in 1943. There is zero path for Ukraine to win, but they may stretch it out a little while longer with more middle aged conscripts sent to slaughter. European and American people have turned against supporting Ukraine, as elections in Slovakia and Poland showed. Expect more of the same in upcoming elections.

    Or you can keep believing the CIA propaganda that western media parrot.

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    Let's do this in order to figure how the "stalemate" works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the "equally stable" Ukraine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie
  293. @Jack D
    @MGB

    These are the words that the Harvard Corporation chose to describe Claudine Gay. She also describe herself in similar terms in today's NYT. I would never portray myself this way - if there is one thing that I detest it is people who compliment themselves, especially if they don't deserve it (Gay called herself an important scholar today). No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch

    No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.

    Indeed, as Claudine Gay herself wrote in Proverbs 27:2 “Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.”

    •�LOL: Frau Katze
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    She contradicts herself then, because yesterday in the NY Times she wrote:

    Throughout this [my] work, I asked questions that had not been asked, used then-cutting-edge quantitative research methods and established a new understanding of representation in American politics. This work was published in the nation’s top political science journals and spawned important research by other scholars.

    Never did I imagine needing to defend decades-old and broadly respected research,
    Sounds like bullet points you would put on a resume:

    * asked questions that had not been asked
    * used cutting-edge quantitative research methods
    * established a new understanding of representation in American politics
    * published in the nation’s top political science journals
    *spawned important research by other scholars

    Maybe Claudine was working on her resume at the same time she was writing her NY Times piece and got fermished with the cut and paste keys.

    Replies: @kaganovitch
  294. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    No one is an objective judge of himself and modesty requires that the work of praising yourself should be left to others.
    Indeed, as Claudine Gay herself wrote in Proverbs 27:2 "Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips."

    Replies: @Jack D

    She contradicts herself then, because yesterday in the NY Times she wrote:

    Throughout this [my] work, I asked questions that had not been asked, used then-cutting-edge quantitative research methods and established a new understanding of representation in American politics. This work was published in the nation’s top political science journals and spawned important research by other scholars.

    Never did I imagine needing to defend decades-old and broadly respected research,

    Sounds like bullet points you would put on a resume:

    * asked questions that had not been asked
    * used cutting-edge quantitative research methods
    * established a new understanding of representation in American politics
    * published in the nation’s top political science journals
    *spawned important research by other scholars

    Maybe Claudine was working on her resume at the same time she was writing her NY Times piece and got fermished with the cut and paste keys.

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    She contradicts herself then, because yesterday in the NY Times she wrote: etc.
    I'm not really sure why you think that's a big deal, as Claudine herself has already addressed that with her

    “Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)”

    When you are as prolific as Ms. Gay, smaller minds can get lost in the weeds without seeing the big picture

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  295. @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    Acshually, there's a big cohort of 125 Harvard undergrads who were suspended in 2012 for submitting plagiarized take-home exams in a Government class. (Yes, the new Lenin University has that sort of courses in droves.) In theory, 70 students were expelled, but, in practice, there is no single name on the internet, so that we can check these claims.

    In the light of my theory, which states that plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder, I can understand why 70 were expelled and the remainder, 55, were not. Rich parents are a more likely explanation than sacred races or ethnicities.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @res

    In the light of my theory, which states that plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder,
    ==
    That’s not a theory. It’s a mendacious assertion.

    •�Agree: Blanc de Chine
  296. @bjdubbs
    The alternative to Gay is not Ackman's preferred candidate, it's probably somebody closer to the Egyptian woman who runs Columbia or an Asian guy. In other words, Gay was probably the compromise candidate that Jews were willing to tolerate because Gay doesn't represent an intra-elite rival to Jews, in the same way that Obama was not a rival to Jews but Ramaswamy is.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Thanks for the issue of your imagination. We’re all educated.

  297. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    Maybe "Black excellence" is not the same thing as just plain excellence, just like "social justice" is not justice as commonly understood?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No. The bint has no idea what ‘excellence’ actually is.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Bbbbut the Harvard Magazine said in its September issue that Gay was a "scholar's scholar". Would they lie to us?

    Normally the search process for a Harvard president takes a year or more, but due to Gay's outstanding black excellence, Harvard was able to complete the search process in less than 6 months!

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2023/08/features-president-claudine-gay

    If you read the story, you find out that the quote comes from Bridget Terry Long:

    Bridget Terry Long, an economist who is past academic dean and now dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, regularly evaluates professors whose work is both academic and applicable to practice. She recently said Gay, whom she has known since before becoming dean in 2018, is “interested in research and discovery, but she also has interest in how that’s helping the world.” Combining the two, Long called her friend “the scholar’s scholar.”

    Bridget Terry Long:

    https://postsecondaryreadiness.org/capr2019/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/bridget-terry-long-portrait-600x400.jpg

    In the words of Claudine Gay:

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke
  298. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    They had four months notice of Summers’ departure.
    In other words, you are right in all circumstances except the circumstance that actually occurred.

    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up. The Gay affair has been ongoing for some time now. It is highly likely Harvard's Board had a contingency plan or two well in place before the announcement of resignation (aka the firing).

    When Summers was fired for "misogyny," a woman was hired to replace him (I don't recall whether she was Jewish or not, but I think she was married to one). Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse - everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I'm sure that was totally a happy accident ("What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?").

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up.

    While I’m no expert on the matter, from what I can see from recent events your contention, that provosts are the go-to when presidents are expected to return and not otherwise, is generally correct. There are 5 instances of a University president dying suddenly that I found in the last few years. Only one of those was replaced by the Provost.

    1 – Joanne Epps at Temple was replaced by interim President Richard Englert who was Chancellor previous to his interim appointment. He had served as President in the past as well as Provost.

    2 – Orinthia T. Montague at Volunteer State Community College was replaced by interim President Russ Deaton, the Tennessee Board of Regents’ Executive Vice Chancellor for Policy and Strategy

    3 – Irving Pressley McPhail at Saint Augustine University was replaced by interim President Maria Arvelo Lumpkin who was Chief Operating Officer previous to her interim appointment.

    4 – Donald J. Farish at Roger Williams University was replaced by interim President Andy Workman who was Provost previous to his interim appointment.

    5 – Aaron Panken at Hebrew Union College was replaced by interim President David Ellenson who was a past President of HUC.

    It would seem when a past president is available that’s, understandably, the default.

    •�Thanks: Twinkie
  299. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    They had four months notice of Summers’ departure.
    In other words, you are right in all circumstances except the circumstance that actually occurred.

    Provosts fill in for presidents of universities when the latter are incapacitated, are on a sabbatical, or are otherwise unable to perform their duties for personal reasons, but are expected to return and resume their duties. When the heads are fired, as Summers was, the Board usually already has an interim leader lined up. The Gay affair has been ongoing for some time now. It is highly likely Harvard's Board had a contingency plan or two well in place before the announcement of resignation (aka the firing).

    When Summers was fired for "misogyny," a woman was hired to replace him (I don't recall whether she was Jewish or not, but I think she was married to one). Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse - everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I'm sure that was totally a happy accident ("What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?").

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse – everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I’m sure that was totally a happy accident (“What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?”).

    This would seem to be a somewhat tendentious reading of the situation. Indeed, Harvard’s board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too. It is only when their feet were held to the fire by Rufo et al. regarding the plagiarism, which by their own rules was entirely indefensible, that they had to cut bait. Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived. They, of course, didn’t care about plagiarism per se. They just couldn’t ignore it when it was getting so much publicity. Now if you’re arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn’t have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right but then your ‘It’s no accident’ analysis of the Board’s decision re provost is without foundation.

    •�Agree: Jack D, Frau Katze
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Alinsky's Rules for Radicals aren't really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals .

    Here is rule #4:

    4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

    also #13:

    13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Anonymous
    , @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    Rufo is a critic of academe. He may favor Israel as well, but that's not his signature issue.

    Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Twinkie
    @kaganovitch


    Indeed, Harvard’s board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too.
    Harvard's powerful, rich, and influential Jewish donor base was most certainly not "happy to let the Israel stuff slide."

    Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived.
    Absent her less-than-lukewarm loyalty oath to Israel, plagiarism wouldn't have risen as an issue in the first place.

    Now if you’re arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn’t have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right
    Shabbos Goy. Don't you find it interesting (almost humorous) that the mainstream news reportage is strenuously asserting that "It totally wasn't the powerful Jews who pushed Gay out; it was totally those freedom of speech- and black-hating conservatives!"

    but then your ‘It’s no accident’ analysis of the Board’s decision re provost is without foundation.
    Gay was the Board's girl, so I am pretty sure the Board wanted to keep her initially. But, at some point, the Board got the message and the interim replacement's identity only confirms this (you pointed out correctly above how unusual the replacement by a provost is when a university president is either fired or died and isn't coming back). Are you under the impression that Gay actually "resigned" instead of being fired?

    Replies: @kaganovitch
  300. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    She contradicts herself then, because yesterday in the NY Times she wrote:

    Throughout this [my] work, I asked questions that had not been asked, used then-cutting-edge quantitative research methods and established a new understanding of representation in American politics. This work was published in the nation’s top political science journals and spawned important research by other scholars.

    Never did I imagine needing to defend decades-old and broadly respected research,
    Sounds like bullet points you would put on a resume:

    * asked questions that had not been asked
    * used cutting-edge quantitative research methods
    * established a new understanding of representation in American politics
    * published in the nation’s top political science journals
    *spawned important research by other scholars

    Maybe Claudine was working on her resume at the same time she was writing her NY Times piece and got fermished with the cut and paste keys.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    She contradicts herself then, because yesterday in the NY Times she wrote: etc.

    I’m not really sure why you think that’s a big deal, as Claudine herself has already addressed that with her

    “Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)”

    When you are as prolific as Ms. Gay, smaller minds can get lost in the weeds without seeing the big picture

    •�Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    "I am large, I contain multitudes."

    That would be ex-President Gay's cousin, after consuming an entire Whitman's sampler.
  301. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    No. The bint has no idea what 'excellence' actually is.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Bbbbut the Harvard Magazine said in its September issue that Gay was a “scholar’s scholar”. Would they lie to us?

    Normally the search process for a Harvard president takes a year or more, but due to Gay’s outstanding black excellence, Harvard was able to complete the search process in less than 6 months!

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2023/08/features-president-claudine-gay

    If you read the story, you find out that the quote comes from Bridget Terry Long:

    Bridget Terry Long, an economist who is past academic dean and now dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, regularly evaluates professors whose work is both academic and applicable to practice. She recently said Gay, whom she has known since before becoming dean in 2018, is “interested in research and discovery, but she also has interest in how that’s helping the world.” Combining the two, Long called her friend “the scholar’s scholar.”

    Bridget Terry Long:

    In the words of Claudine Gay:

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars. I don't think this was true sixty years ago. Higher education may encompass the worst of the bunch.
    ==
    Again, I suspect faculty would fume, but institutional health would ultimately benefit from presidents who are not academicians. Let the scholar's scholars do that. Recruit the president from the body men who know something about keeping buildings in good repair and meeting payroll.

    Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    If you read the story, you find out that the quote comes from Bridget Terry Long:

    Bridget Terry Long, an economist who is past academic dean and now dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, regularly evaluates professors whose work is both academic and applicable to practice. She recently said Gay, whom she has known since before becoming dean in 2018, is “interested in research and discovery, but she also has interest in how that’s helping the world.” Combining the two, Long called her friend “the scholar’s scholar.”

    Just classic. Probably birds of a feather.
  302. @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie


    Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse – everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I’m sure that was totally a happy accident (“What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?”).
    This would seem to be a somewhat tendentious reading of the situation. Indeed, Harvard's board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too. It is only when their feet were held to the fire by Rufo et al. regarding the plagiarism, which by their own rules was entirely indefensible, that they had to cut bait. Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived. They, of course, didn't care about plagiarism per se. They just couldn't ignore it when it was getting so much publicity. Now if you're arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn't have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right but then your 'It's no accident' analysis of the Board's decision re provost is without foundation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Twinkie

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals aren’t really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals .

    Here is rule #4:

    4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    also #13:

    13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .

    •�Troll: HammerJack
    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals aren’t really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.
    That book is handed out by a variety of advocacy training groups, including conservative/Republican-affiliated organizations.

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .
    I, at one point, had more than a dozen copies I received from these training sessions (I worked on the Hill for a minute years ago). I am down to three copies after handing them out to others. And apparently some of the "The Men of Unz" read it, because it was discussed here at one point. But I am not sure that you read it. Do you have a copy? If so, tell me which generals Alinsky quotes in his book. And there is, specifically, one name you should provide that is not found by searching for the term "general" in a PDF version.

    That all said, Alinsky's methodology, if followed by all parties, will lead to a very ugly society.

    As for Rufo's "results," cui bono? Conservatives?

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
    I haven't read this book, but this reminds me of a lesson I learned many years ago. There are no 'faceless bureaucracies'. Every company, every department, every party, faction, or gang - every human social organization - consists of one person plus a bunch of followers.

    If you get into a conflict with such an organization you need to identify and focus that individual. Don't let him hide behind his followers. Challenge the organization and nothing happens. Challenge him personally and you get results.
  303. @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie


    Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse – everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I’m sure that was totally a happy accident (“What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?”).
    This would seem to be a somewhat tendentious reading of the situation. Indeed, Harvard's board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too. It is only when their feet were held to the fire by Rufo et al. regarding the plagiarism, which by their own rules was entirely indefensible, that they had to cut bait. Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived. They, of course, didn't care about plagiarism per se. They just couldn't ignore it when it was getting so much publicity. Now if you're arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn't have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right but then your 'It's no accident' analysis of the Board's decision re provost is without foundation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Twinkie

    Rufo is a critic of academe. He may favor Israel as well, but that’s not his signature issue.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Art Deco

    It would be intellectually honest if you acknowledged commenter kaganovitch's impromptu research that confirmed my refutation of your assertion that provosts normally replace presidents of universities. But, then, you share another similarity with Jack D - both of you slink away when contradicted by reality, with nary a word of retraction or acknowledgement of having been incorrect, and then reappear elsewhere with the same shtick.

    It's okay to not win the Internet all the time and admit such. Your real life will not suffer one whit.

    Replies: @Art Deco
  304. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Bbbbut the Harvard Magazine said in its September issue that Gay was a "scholar's scholar". Would they lie to us?

    Normally the search process for a Harvard president takes a year or more, but due to Gay's outstanding black excellence, Harvard was able to complete the search process in less than 6 months!

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2023/08/features-president-claudine-gay

    If you read the story, you find out that the quote comes from Bridget Terry Long:

    Bridget Terry Long, an economist who is past academic dean and now dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, regularly evaluates professors whose work is both academic and applicable to practice. She recently said Gay, whom she has known since before becoming dean in 2018, is “interested in research and discovery, but she also has interest in how that’s helping the world.” Combining the two, Long called her friend “the scholar’s scholar.”

    Bridget Terry Long:

    https://postsecondaryreadiness.org/capr2019/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/bridget-terry-long-portrait-600x400.jpg

    In the words of Claudine Gay:

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars. I don’t think this was true sixty years ago. Higher education may encompass the worst of the bunch.
    ==
    Again, I suspect faculty would fume, but institutional health would ultimately benefit from presidents who are not academicians. Let the scholar’s scholars do that. Recruit the president from the body men who know something about keeping buildings in good repair and meeting payroll.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars.
    The Culture of the Verbalist Overclass.

    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @That Would Be Telling
  305. @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie


    Gay was fired, not for plagiarism (which is merely the excuse – everyone at Harvard was hunky-dory with her weak-to-nonexistent academic record before the Israel-Gaza war), but because she was insufficiently loyal to Israel. Then the Board installs an interim leader who is Jewish and is a pro-Israel figure. Right, I’m sure that was totally a happy accident (“What do you know, we just happen to have a provost in line who is Jewish and is loyal to Israel. How lucky are we?”).
    This would seem to be a somewhat tendentious reading of the situation. Indeed, Harvard's board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too. It is only when their feet were held to the fire by Rufo et al. regarding the plagiarism, which by their own rules was entirely indefensible, that they had to cut bait. Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived. They, of course, didn't care about plagiarism per se. They just couldn't ignore it when it was getting so much publicity. Now if you're arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn't have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right but then your 'It's no accident' analysis of the Board's decision re provost is without foundation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Twinkie

    Indeed, Harvard’s board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too.

    Harvard’s powerful, rich, and influential Jewish donor base was most certainly not “happy to let the Israel stuff slide.”

    Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived.

    Absent her less-than-lukewarm loyalty oath to Israel, plagiarism wouldn’t have risen as an issue in the first place.

    Now if you’re arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn’t have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right

    Shabbos Goy. Don’t you find it interesting (almost humorous) that the mainstream news reportage is strenuously asserting that “It totally wasn’t the powerful Jews who pushed Gay out; it was totally those freedom of speech- and black-hating conservatives!”

    but then your ‘It’s no accident’ analysis of the Board’s decision re provost is without foundation.

    Gay was the Board’s girl, so I am pretty sure the Board wanted to keep her initially. But, at some point, the Board got the message and the interim replacement’s identity only confirms this (you pointed out correctly above how unusual the replacement by a provost is when a university president is either fired or died and isn’t coming back). Are you under the impression that Gay actually “resigned” instead of being fired?

    •�Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie


    Are you under the impression that Gay actually “resigned” instead of being fired?
    Nah, if she had really resigned then she would have said she wants to spend more time with her family. That's always a sure sign of voluntary resignation.
  306. @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    Rufo is a critic of academe. He may favor Israel as well, but that's not his signature issue.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It would be intellectually honest if you acknowledged commenter kaganovitch’s impromptu research that confirmed my refutation of your assertion that provosts normally replace presidents of universities. But, then, you share another similarity with Jack D – both of you slink away when contradicted by reality, with nary a word of retraction or acknowledgement of having been incorrect, and then reappear elsewhere with the same shtick.

    It’s okay to not win the Internet all the time and admit such. Your real life will not suffer one whit.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    It would be intellectually honest if you acknowledged he came up with some examples. I can come up with others, including my former employer where the provost ran the school on each occasion the presidency was vacated.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  307. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars. I don't think this was true sixty years ago. Higher education may encompass the worst of the bunch.
    ==
    Again, I suspect faculty would fume, but institutional health would ultimately benefit from presidents who are not academicians. Let the scholar's scholars do that. Recruit the president from the body men who know something about keeping buildings in good repair and meeting payroll.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars.

    The Culture of the Verbalist Overclass.

    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Twinkie


    Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.
    That would explain most of the people in the MSM.
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Twinkie


    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.
    I'd like to know the math content in question. There's a period where there's a lot of word problems that have to be turned into math to then solve, so I expect verbal intelligence to contribute to that.

    Would also like to know if math is really the subject, vs. woke "rainforest math" etc. I'm going by my sub-par prior to high school starting algebra US math education in deep Red state flyover country with essentially no Jews, but back then 2 + 2 always equaled 4, no amount of "bullshit and kiss ass" would get you a better grade for coming up with 5 as the result. Would not also work at MIT when I started with the equilivent of the BC sequence of AP calculus done at speed, for which I had to really buckle down to get definite integrals, but it was all fun starting with the high school algebra.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res
  308. res says:
    @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    Acshually, there's a big cohort of 125 Harvard undergrads who were suspended in 2012 for submitting plagiarized take-home exams in a Government class. (Yes, the new Lenin University has that sort of courses in droves.) In theory, 70 students were expelled, but, in practice, there is no single name on the internet, so that we can check these claims.

    In the light of my theory, which states that plagiarism is in the eye of the beholder, I can understand why 70 were expelled and the remainder, 55, were not. Rich parents are a more likely explanation than sacred races or ethnicities.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @res

    in practice, there is no single name on the internet

    What about this?
    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/2/1/cheating-scandal-smith-withdraw/

    Basketball co-captains Kyle D. Casey ’13 and Brandyn T. Curry ’13, who were expected to lead the team to another NCAA tournament appearance, gained widespread media attention after news outlets reported that the star players had chosen to withdraw from the team after being investigated.

    Though the article does state:

    Smith’s email, however, said that the University has not commented on any particular student’s case and will continue to adhere to this policy.

    P.S. More here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Harvard_cheating_scandal

    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @res

    According to his linkedin profile, Casey got a Harvard BSc in Sociology and is currently offering some sort of financial services. Must be his skills with words and balls.
  309. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D


    She contradicts herself then, because yesterday in the NY Times she wrote: etc.
    I'm not really sure why you think that's a big deal, as Claudine herself has already addressed that with her

    “Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)”

    When you are as prolific as Ms. Gay, smaller minds can get lost in the weeds without seeing the big picture

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “I am large, I contain multitudes.”

    That would be ex-President Gay’s cousin, after consuming an entire Whitman’s sampler.

  310. HA says:
    @Colin Wright
    @anonymous


    'It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types...'
    To be fair about it, I don't think Russia has 'won' -- not completely at any rate.

    Totaler Sieg would have been Russia pulling off her Czechoslovakia 1968 reenactment; the Bear comes in, scares hell out of everybody, and installs obedient vassals.

    That didn't work out -- but it was clear it wasn't going to after about a month. This could have been settled back then -- and would have been, if we hadn't seen fit to encourage the Ukraine to prolong matters.

    Now we'll wind up right where we were back then: yes, the Ukraine is independent, no, it can't join NATO, no, it doesn't include the Crimea et al.

    Nor should it. But we could have avoided the expenditure of billions, the death of tens of thousands, and the virtual depopulation of the Ukraine -- and it was obvious we could have.

    It's all been a stupid fucking waste. I don't think it even benefitted Biden's handlers politically, in the end.

    Replies: @HA

    “This could have been settled back then…”

    Settled? As in, some situation where Ukraine is allowed to keep on existing? Yeah, sure.

    Just to be clear, you’re saying that Putin would have just been satisfied with a) not just getting to keep all the land he swiped, but also b) a “neutrality clause” that forbade Ukraine from re-arming (so that the next time he chose to invade, it would indeed only take 3 days)?

    Remember, he already HAD an agreement for Ukraine to stay out of NATO. His own envoy said so. He chose to invade anyway. So, given that he was rewarded for invading the first time, you’re saying something somewhere will somehow prevent him from doing it again even though he would get even more territory that way. Maybe his iron-clad word, or something equally rock solid? Is that the gist?

    No, back on planet earth, down below the sky-high fumes of whatever it is you’re smoking, here is what “settling” would actually mean. Given that Ukraine is just a stepping stone to settling things in Eastern Europe as whole, any so-called “peace deal” would just mean that the Ukrainian men fighting to keep their own country would instead be fighting to invade some other country Putin wants for himself, much as has already happened with the territories Putin has already “liberated”. After all, they have to show their gratitude in some way, and serving as cannon fodder is all they were ever good for in Moscow’s eyes anyway.

    •�Disagree: Colin Wright, Renard
  311. @Twinkie
    @kaganovitch


    Indeed, Harvard’s board was perfectly happy to let the plagiarism slide but they were also happy to let the Israel stuff slide too.
    Harvard's powerful, rich, and influential Jewish donor base was most certainly not "happy to let the Israel stuff slide."

    Absent the plagiarism, Gay would have survived.
    Absent her less-than-lukewarm loyalty oath to Israel, plagiarism wouldn't have risen as an issue in the first place.

    Now if you’re arguing that Rufo et al. wouldn’t have raised hell about the plagiarism absent the Israel stuff, you may be right
    Shabbos Goy. Don't you find it interesting (almost humorous) that the mainstream news reportage is strenuously asserting that "It totally wasn't the powerful Jews who pushed Gay out; it was totally those freedom of speech- and black-hating conservatives!"

    but then your ‘It’s no accident’ analysis of the Board’s decision re provost is without foundation.
    Gay was the Board's girl, so I am pretty sure the Board wanted to keep her initially. But, at some point, the Board got the message and the interim replacement's identity only confirms this (you pointed out correctly above how unusual the replacement by a provost is when a university president is either fired or died and isn't coming back). Are you under the impression that Gay actually "resigned" instead of being fired?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Are you under the impression that Gay actually “resigned” instead of being fired?

    Nah, if she had really resigned then she would have said she wants to spend more time with her family. That’s always a sure sign of voluntary resignation.

    •�Agree: Jim Don Bob
    •�LOL: Twinkie
  312. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco

    It would be intellectually honest if you acknowledged commenter kaganovitch's impromptu research that confirmed my refutation of your assertion that provosts normally replace presidents of universities. But, then, you share another similarity with Jack D - both of you slink away when contradicted by reality, with nary a word of retraction or acknowledgement of having been incorrect, and then reappear elsewhere with the same shtick.

    It's okay to not win the Internet all the time and admit such. Your real life will not suffer one whit.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It would be intellectually honest if you acknowledged he came up with some examples. I can come up with others, including my former employer where the provost ran the school on each occasion the presidency was vacated.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    I can come up with others
    Please do - especially if it's Harvard.
  313. @Art Deco
    @Twinkie

    It would be intellectually honest if you acknowledged he came up with some examples. I can come up with others, including my former employer where the provost ran the school on each occasion the presidency was vacated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I can come up with others

    Please do – especially if it’s Harvard.

  314. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Alinsky's Rules for Radicals aren't really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals .

    Here is rule #4:

    4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

    also #13:

    13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals aren’t really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.

    That book is handed out by a variety of advocacy training groups, including conservative/Republican-affiliated organizations.

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .

    I, at one point, had more than a dozen copies I received from these training sessions (I worked on the Hill for a minute years ago). I am down to three copies after handing them out to others. And apparently some of the “The Men of Unz” read it, because it was discussed here at one point. But I am not sure that you read it. Do you have a copy? If so, tell me which generals Alinsky quotes in his book. And there is, specifically, one name you should provide that is not found by searching for the term “general” in a PDF version.

    That all said, Alinsky’s methodology, if followed by all parties, will lead to a very ugly society.

    As for Rufo’s “results,” cui bono? Conservatives?

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I have read it but I have obviously not memorized it. I don't recall any generals off hand but I do recall that he quotes from a famous rabbi. Do you know the rabbi's name?

    I hear what you are saying about an ugly society but it's not a good idea to fight according to the Queensbury rules while the other side fights no holds barred. That's a recipe for getting kicked in the head.

    Speaking of ugly society, Rufo (and Ackman) state quite explicitly that their goal was not just to get rid of Gay, whom everyone agrees is just a big interchangeable zero, but to dismantled the entire DIE apparatus. Getting rid of Gay was just step one and by itself is not really a "result".

    But, as Claudine Gay famously said, "Rome was not built in a day." It has taken years to create the rot inside our institutions and it will take years to root it out. It's like the old joke, "What do you call 1,000 lawyers tied to rocks and tossed into the sea?" "A good beginning."

    BTW, speaking of Chicago Rules and an ugly society, yesterday Business Insider came back at Ackman's wife. She has a PhD from MIT and at one time was on their faculty. They went thru her dissertation and they found a few places where she had left out quotation marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mather said, "blah blah blah". Gotcha! Fortunately, she is no longer on the faculty (she has her own startup) so there is really nothing that they can do to her except to try to humiliate her.

    But it shows that whoever goes after the Establishment should expect them to come back at them. See also Harvard siccing their lawyers on the NY Post. These people ARE ugly (in more ways than one) and will use ugly methods.

    But, as the Rabbi said, you don't want to make a whore of your soul. But I don't think Rufo or Ackman did.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  315. @anonymous
    @Jack D

    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won. Do you care to admit that relying on DC and NYC media types - who are always so accurate with all of their reporting on other topics - may have been a mistake? Maybe the Biden Admin and the CIA were not being honest?

    Or do you think Ukraine just needs some more money to turn things around?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @Twinkie

    It is pretty clear to everyone who isnt delusional that Russia has already won.

    Anyone who thinks that “Russia has already won” is delusional. Russia failed to topple Kyiv and has suffered significant casualties, including the destruction of a whole tank army (our equivalent of a mechanized corps) as well as evaporation of a large number of elite units (Spetsnaz, marine infantry, etc.), the rebuilding of which will take years. Its force projection capability has been drastically curtailed and it’s now resorting to buying munitions from a failed state (i.e. North Korea).

    The accurate description for the current state of affairs in the Russo-Ukrainian War is a stalemate.

    That said, I’ve written numerous times here that, in the long term, Russia enjoys the better correlation of forces, for the simple fact that its military procurement is natively sourced whereas Ukraine relies significantly on foreign aid, which – sooner or later – has an expiration date. Russia may win in the future, but even if it does so, it will have been a very expensive victory. Anatoly Karlin, for once, wasn’t wrong to describe such a victory as a Pyrrhic one.

  316. Anonymous[128] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @anonymous


    Russia has already won
    That's funny because Russia "already" won starting the moment that they invaded according to Rushists. Russia has ALWAYS "already" won, they just haven't gone thru the trouble of actually rolling into Kiev. But they'll be there any day now, for sure.

    Putin is always going to "win" this war in his own estimation because he controls the definition of victory. Whatever he says is "victory" is victory. If "victory" means being fought to a stalemate and loosing 300,000 young men, then sure they have achieved "victory".

    Any honest observer would say that it's a stalemate at the moment at best but neither side is ready to throw in the towel so the war grinds on and Putin keeps pouring Russian blood and wealth into his endless war which never gets anywhere. If that is victory then it's the Pyrrhic kind.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @OK Boomer

    What is your source for Russia having 300k KIA?

    Anything besides the same media orgs that said Trump was a Russian agent, Rittenhouse chased and gunned down innocent protesters, Trayvon/Michael Brown/George Floyd were innocent Black Men gunned down by racist whites, the Covington kids were bullies to a native American Vietnam vet, BLM being mostly peaceful, mountains of false info about Covid, the usual reporting on race and crime, etc. I am sure this time it is different, and the NY times and WA Post are reporting the truth!

    Speaking of “should have happened” predictions, here is a flashback to what the CIA/MI6 talking points in the western media have said would happen:

    1. Russia blew up its own pipeline to Germany
    2. Sanctions would destroy the Russian economy, not make it stronger
    3. Ukraine would make the Russian military weaker, not stronger
    4. The Russian people would become furious with Putin and no longer support him because of how the war was going
    5. Putin has cancer/disease/had a mental breakdown and will be dying soon
    6. The Russian military would overthrow Putin due to how poorly the war was going
    7. Russia did not have the economy or resources to out produce artillery and other weapons compared to Europe and America, so Russia would be running out of weapons soon
    8. The counter offensive would result in Ukraine defeating Russia and driving them out of the nation
    9. Putin is a crazy conspiracy theorist and America did not have multiple active bio labs in Ukraine
    10. Putin would never seriously negotiate because he wanted to recreate the USSR
    11. Russia has faced far more deaths and casualties than Ukraine, so Ukraine is/was winning on a large scale
    12. Russia does not have hypersonic missiles because they are not advanced enough to develop them, and American tech can shoot anything they have down
    13. Russia’s military is both simultaneously a joke and will conquer the rest of Europe unless billions more dollars from American taxpayers keep going to Ukraine and the MIC.
    14. Trump supporters are Nazis and are the biggest threat to American national security, but actual Nazis in Ukraine need taxpayer support because it is a complicated issue

    I have personally witnessed all of the above reported over and over by the Biden admin and the mainstream media, only for the facts to eventually come out. Everything was CIA propaganda along the same lines of WMDs in Iraq, and even media types are starting to slowly back away from the above – even the WAPO took down its Ukraine banner link from the top of their site. Now the goals have shifted yet again, claiming the war is a stalemate and it is a victory to stop Russia in its tracks.

    The war is over in the same sense that it was over for Germany in 1943. There is zero path for Ukraine to win, but they may stretch it out a little while longer with more middle aged conscripts sent to slaughter. European and American people have turned against supporting Ukraine, as elections in Slovakia and Poland showed. Expect more of the same in upcoming elections.

    Or you can keep believing the CIA propaganda that western media parrot.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    https://www.barrons.com/news/us-intel-says-315-000-russian-casualties-in-ukraine-congress-source-0bedb000


    But it makes no difference because you are not going to credit any source that is not Pravda.

    What do you think Russian casualties are? 5 people?

    BTW, the Patriot system shoots down the Kinzhals no problem. Putin's hype that they were unstoppable was total BS.

    If this is 1943, it's pretty strange because the Russian's two week invasion has taken 2 years so far and apparently there are years more to go. Out of this, Russia gets to take over the burned ruins of a town or two every six months after massive losses of men and materiel. Apparently, according to you, this counts as "winning".
  317. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/4/pritzker-remains-senior-fellow/

    Rebuffing Calls to Resign, Penny Pritzker ’81 Will Stay in Top Harvard Corporation Post

    Harvard Corporation Senior Fellow Penny S. Pritzker ’81 will remain at the helm of the University’s highest governing body despite growing calls for her resignation by some prominent donors and alumni, a Harvard spokesperson said on Wednesday.

    Pritzker and the Corporation are under intense scrutiny after Claudine Gay announced her resignation as Harvard’s 30th president on Tuesday, with some critics asking how much responsibility for the University’s leadership crisis falls on the board.

    The public announcement of Pritzker’s intention to stay in the post indicates that she is intent on leading Harvard through its second presidential search in less than three years. As senior fellow, Pritzker is the person with the greatest influence over the selection of the University’s 31st president.

    Pritzker, a former U.S. commerce secretary under President Barack Obama, was elected to the Corporation in 2018 and assumed the position of senior fellow in 2022, just in time to lead the search that ulminated in Gay’s selection.

    The new search will give Pritzker a second chance to provide the University with long-term leadership continuity. Gay was widely expected to lead Harvard for the next decade or longer, but tenure ended unceremoniously even before the start of her second semester.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    At Penn, the chairman of the board resigned right after the president but then again Magill lasted only a few days after the Congressional hearings. Harvard wants to drag out their humiliation because people who go to Harvard have enormous egos (my cousin who went to Yale, says, "you can tell a Harvard man but you can't tell him much."). The end result is going to be the same, just with more kicking and screaming and loss of reputation first.

    As Claudine Gay famously said, "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly."

    BTW, Penn just announced its new board chairman. His name is Ramanan Raghavendran.
    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4417804-to-win-the-war-with-russia-us-support-for-ukraines-economy-is-essential/

    To win the war with Russia, US support for Ukraine’s economy is essential

    BY PENNY PRITZKER, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 01/21/24
  318. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars.
    The Culture of the Verbalist Overclass.

    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @That Would Be Telling

    Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.

    That would explain most of the people in the MSM.

  319. @res
    @OK Boomer


    in practice, there is no single name on the internet
    What about this?
    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/2/1/cheating-scandal-smith-withdraw/

    Basketball co-captains Kyle D. Casey ’13 and Brandyn T. Curry ’13, who were expected to lead the team to another NCAA tournament appearance, gained widespread media attention after news outlets reported that the star players had chosen to withdraw from the team after being investigated.
    Though the article does state:

    Smith’s email, however, said that the University has not commented on any particular student’s case and will continue to adhere to this policy.
    P.S. More here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Harvard_cheating_scandal

    Replies: @OK Boomer

    According to his linkedin profile, Casey got a Harvard BSc in Sociology and is currently offering some sort of financial services. Must be his skills with words and balls.

  320. @Jack D
    @anonymous


    Russia has already won
    That's funny because Russia "already" won starting the moment that they invaded according to Rushists. Russia has ALWAYS "already" won, they just haven't gone thru the trouble of actually rolling into Kiev. But they'll be there any day now, for sure.

    Putin is always going to "win" this war in his own estimation because he controls the definition of victory. Whatever he says is "victory" is victory. If "victory" means being fought to a stalemate and loosing 300,000 young men, then sure they have achieved "victory".

    Any honest observer would say that it's a stalemate at the moment at best but neither side is ready to throw in the towel so the war grinds on and Putin keeps pouring Russian blood and wealth into his endless war which never gets anywhere. If that is victory then it's the Pyrrhic kind.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @OK Boomer

    Let’s do this in order to figure how the “stalemate” works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the “equally stable” Ukraine.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @OK Boomer

    Sure, it's safer to be in Sevastopol than Kyiv because the Ukrainians don't target random civilians like the Russians do.

    That being said, they are both fairly safe. Flights are suspended but you can take a train or drive from the Polish border to Kyiv any day of the week. I haven't been there since the war started but I know people who have gone (and have lived to tell about it).

    Western cities like Lviv are even safer except for the very rare Russian missile attack (which are increasingly answered by Ukrainian missile attacks on Belgorod). Given the lower street crime level, you are probably safer spending a week in Lviv than you would be spending a week in Moscow with its two million Muslims. Men of Unz would love Lviv. You never saw so many white people in your life.

    BTW, I would stay out of Crimea if I were you. You couldn't pay me to go on that bridge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxgWCsampJg

    Replies: @OK Boomer
    , @Twinkie
    @OK Boomer


    Let’s do this in order to figure how the “stalemate” works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the “equally stable” Ukraine.
    Do you want to play the same game with the US vs Vietnam, c. 1972?

    Replies: @Jack D
  321. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    What is your source for Russia having 300k KIA?

    Anything besides the same media orgs that said Trump was a Russian agent, Rittenhouse chased and gunned down innocent protesters, Trayvon/Michael Brown/George Floyd were innocent Black Men gunned down by racist whites, the Covington kids were bullies to a native American Vietnam vet, BLM being mostly peaceful, mountains of false info about Covid, the usual reporting on race and crime, etc. I am sure this time it is different, and the NY times and WA Post are reporting the truth!

    Speaking of "should have happened" predictions, here is a flashback to what the CIA/MI6 talking points in the western media have said would happen:


    1. Russia blew up its own pipeline to Germany
    2. Sanctions would destroy the Russian economy, not make it stronger
    3. Ukraine would make the Russian military weaker, not stronger
    4. The Russian people would become furious with Putin and no longer support him because of how the war was going
    5. Putin has cancer/disease/had a mental breakdown and will be dying soon
    6. The Russian military would overthrow Putin due to how poorly the war was going
    7. Russia did not have the economy or resources to out produce artillery and other weapons compared to Europe and America, so Russia would be running out of weapons soon
    8. The counter offensive would result in Ukraine defeating Russia and driving them out of the nation
    9. Putin is a crazy conspiracy theorist and America did not have multiple active bio labs in Ukraine
    10. Putin would never seriously negotiate because he wanted to recreate the USSR
    11. Russia has faced far more deaths and casualties than Ukraine, so Ukraine is/was winning on a large scale
    12. Russia does not have hypersonic missiles because they are not advanced enough to develop them, and American tech can shoot anything they have down
    13. Russia's military is both simultaneously a joke and will conquer the rest of Europe unless billions more dollars from American taxpayers keep going to Ukraine and the MIC.
    14. Trump supporters are Nazis and are the biggest threat to American national security, but actual Nazis in Ukraine need taxpayer support because it is a complicated issue


    I have personally witnessed all of the above reported over and over by the Biden admin and the mainstream media, only for the facts to eventually come out. Everything was CIA propaganda along the same lines of WMDs in Iraq, and even media types are starting to slowly back away from the above - even the WAPO took down its Ukraine banner link from the top of their site. Now the goals have shifted yet again, claiming the war is a stalemate and it is a victory to stop Russia in its tracks.

    The war is over in the same sense that it was over for Germany in 1943. There is zero path for Ukraine to win, but they may stretch it out a little while longer with more middle aged conscripts sent to slaughter. European and American people have turned against supporting Ukraine, as elections in Slovakia and Poland showed. Expect more of the same in upcoming elections.

    Or you can keep believing the CIA propaganda that western media parrot.

    Replies: @Jack D

    https://www.barrons.com/news/us-intel-says-315-000-russian-casualties-in-ukraine-congress-source-0bedb000

    But it makes no difference because you are not going to credit any source that is not Pravda.

    What do you think Russian casualties are? 5 people?

    BTW, the Patriot system shoots down the Kinzhals no problem. Putin’s hype that they were unstoppable was total BS.

    If this is 1943, it’s pretty strange because the Russian’s two week invasion has taken 2 years so far and apparently there are years more to go. Out of this, Russia gets to take over the burned ruins of a town or two every six months after massive losses of men and materiel. Apparently, according to you, this counts as “winning”.

  322. @MEH 0910
    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/4/pritzker-remains-senior-fellow/

    Rebuffing Calls to Resign, Penny Pritzker ’81 Will Stay in Top Harvard Corporation Post

    Harvard Corporation Senior Fellow Penny S. Pritzker ’81 will remain at the helm of the University’s highest governing body despite growing calls for her resignation by some prominent donors and alumni, a Harvard spokesperson said on Wednesday.

    Pritzker and the Corporation are under intense scrutiny after Claudine Gay announced her resignation as Harvard’s 30th president on Tuesday, with some critics asking how much responsibility for the University’s leadership crisis falls on the board.

    The public announcement of Pritzker’s intention to stay in the post indicates that she is intent on leading Harvard through its second presidential search in less than three years. As senior fellow, Pritzker is the person with the greatest influence over the selection of the University’s 31st president.

    Pritzker, a former U.S. commerce secretary under President Barack Obama, was elected to the Corporation in 2018 and assumed the position of senior fellow in 2022, just in time to lead the search that ulminated in Gay’s selection.

    The new search will give Pritzker a second chance to provide the University with long-term leadership continuity. Gay was widely expected to lead Harvard for the next decade or longer, but tenure ended unceremoniously even before the start of her second semester.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MEH 0910

    At Penn, the chairman of the board resigned right after the president but then again Magill lasted only a few days after the Congressional hearings. Harvard wants to drag out their humiliation because people who go to Harvard have enormous egos (my cousin who went to Yale, says, “you can tell a Harvard man but you can’t tell him much.”). The end result is going to be the same, just with more kicking and screaming and loss of reputation first.

    As Claudine Gay famously said, “If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well it were done quickly.”

    BTW, Penn just announced its new board chairman. His name is Ramanan Raghavendran.

  323. @Twinkie
    @Art Deco


    The professional-managerial stratum is shot through with chronic liars.
    The Culture of the Verbalist Overclass.

    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @That Would Be Telling

    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.

    I’d like to know the math content in question. There’s a period where there’s a lot of word problems that have to be turned into math to then solve, so I expect verbal intelligence to contribute to that.

    Would also like to know if math is really the subject, vs. woke “rainforest math” etc. I’m going by my sub-par prior to high school starting algebra US math education in deep Red state flyover country with essentially no Jews, but back then 2 + 2 always equaled 4, no amount of “bullshit and kiss ass” would get you a better grade for coming up with 5 as the result. Would not also work at MIT when I started with the equilivent of the BC sequence of AP calculus done at speed, for which I had to really buckle down to get definite integrals, but it was all fun starting with the high school algebra.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Years ago when we were looking at private schools to send our kids, we visited a well known school in our area. I knew that it was a little bit liberal and artsy but it had a good reputation, at least worth a visit.

    One of the classes that we visited was a math class and the teacher started the class by asking the students to take out their "math journals" and write about their feelings about math that day. It sounded like a joke, like something out of Portlandia. Needless to say, we didn't send our kids to that school.

    But it wasn't a joke. I think the school meant it as an equalizer (an equitizer?). Some of their bright but highly verbal artsy types, especially the girls, were no frigging good at math, but boy can they verbalize about their feelings. OTOH, the nerdy boys who are good at math often are men of few words and prefer to hold their feelings close to the vest. So the "math journal" was like a thumb on the scale to even things up. Like in the famous cartoon, the math journal was like an extra orange crate for the intellectual midgets to stand on:

    https://interactioninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IISC_EqualityEquity.png
    , @res
    @That Would Be Telling


    I’d like to know the math content in question. There’s a period where there’s a lot of word problems that have to be turned into math to then solve, so I expect verbal intelligence to contribute to that.
    That topic was discussed in another iSteve thread. I'll link a comment of mine since I think it covers some of the possible issues with the data and analysis. dux.ie did some good work, but the data is aggregated in a way I think makes it less useful. Be sure to look at his comments in the thread.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/electeds-of-color/#comment-6321796

    This comment links what I think was his data source.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/electeds-of-color/#comment-6321156

    They are looking at HS math and here are the classes surveyed. Excerpted from Table 2 on page 8.

    Course Title | % Reported | Average Grade
    Algebra 1 97 3.28
    Algebra 2 85 3.20
    Geometry 93 3.19
    Trigonometry 28 3.42
    Other Advanced Math 29 3.41
    Beginning Calculus 9 3.51
    Computer Science 9 3.64
    Back to you.

    I’m going by my sub-par prior to high school starting algebra US math education in deep Red state flyover country with essentially no Jews, but back then 2 + 2 always equaled 4, no amount of “bullshit and kiss ass” would get you a better grade for coming up with 5 as the result.
    I'm less confident of that than you are. Some factors.
    - How much of the grade is tests and problem sets vs. participation and teacher judgment?
    - Partial credit.
    - Ability to substitute g for math ability (in obtaining answers, distinct from BS and AK). I think that works to some degree. For example, those word problems you mention.
  324. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals aren’t really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.
    That book is handed out by a variety of advocacy training groups, including conservative/Republican-affiliated organizations.

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .
    I, at one point, had more than a dozen copies I received from these training sessions (I worked on the Hill for a minute years ago). I am down to three copies after handing them out to others. And apparently some of the "The Men of Unz" read it, because it was discussed here at one point. But I am not sure that you read it. Do you have a copy? If so, tell me which generals Alinsky quotes in his book. And there is, specifically, one name you should provide that is not found by searching for the term "general" in a PDF version.

    That all said, Alinsky's methodology, if followed by all parties, will lead to a very ugly society.

    As for Rufo's "results," cui bono? Conservatives?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I have read it but I have obviously not memorized it. I don’t recall any generals off hand but I do recall that he quotes from a famous rabbi. Do you know the rabbi’s name?

    I hear what you are saying about an ugly society but it’s not a good idea to fight according to the Queensbury rules while the other side fights no holds barred. That’s a recipe for getting kicked in the head.

    Speaking of ugly society, Rufo (and Ackman) state quite explicitly that their goal was not just to get rid of Gay, whom everyone agrees is just a big interchangeable zero, but to dismantled the entire DIE apparatus. Getting rid of Gay was just step one and by itself is not really a “result”.

    But, as Claudine Gay famously said, “Rome was not built in a day.” It has taken years to create the rot inside our institutions and it will take years to root it out. It’s like the old joke, “What do you call 1,000 lawyers tied to rocks and tossed into the sea?” “A good beginning.”

    BTW, speaking of Chicago Rules and an ugly society, yesterday Business Insider came back at Ackman’s wife. She has a PhD from MIT and at one time was on their faculty. They went thru her dissertation and they found a few places where she had left out quotation marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mather said, “blah blah blah”. Gotcha! Fortunately, she is no longer on the faculty (she has her own startup) so there is really nothing that they can do to her except to try to humiliate her.

    But it shows that whoever goes after the Establishment should expect them to come back at them. See also Harvard siccing their lawyers on the NY Post. These people ARE ugly (in more ways than one) and will use ugly methods.

    But, as the Rabbi said, you don’t want to make a whore of your soul. But I don’t think Rufo or Ackman did.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I have read it but I have obviously not memorized it. I don’t recall any generals off hand
    It's clear you never read it. See, this is where your Dunning-Kruger gets you every time. You have such contempt for the goyim as stupider than the Jews (you), you start believing in your own press release and think you can just bullshit these "dim-witted Men of Unz." Alas, there are men here who are smarter than you and better read too.

    Alinsky quotes several generals in the book, including Patton and Sherman, but under the chapter titled "Tactics," he quotes Hannibal, "We will either find a way or make one." This is doubly ironic, because this is precisely the part of the book that has the "fourth rule" you quote from Wikipedia above (except you leave out - because you never read it - the potshot he takes at Christianity):

    The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.
    As for this:

    but I do recall that he quotes from a famous rabbi. Do you know the rabbi’s name?
    Are you like those black athletes who are always seen "reading" the first page of the books in pictures?

    The very first thing (after the acknowledgements) in the book is a quote from Rabbi Hillel: "Where there are no men, be thou a man."

    But, as the Rabbi said, you don’t want to make a whore of your soul.
    But apparently you stopped there, because the next quote is from Thomas Paine, not from any "Rabbi": "Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul..."

    I hear what you are saying about an ugly society but it’s not a good idea to fight according to the Queensbury rules while the other side fights no holds barred. That’s a recipe for getting kicked in the head.
    You think only winning matters. Typical thinking of a rootless cosmopolitan. Did the early Christians in Rome win a lot? Did they lose in the end?

    You don't fight and die on every hill - especially when you are the Weak and the vast tentacles of the Establishment powers are arrayed against you. There are many strategies and tactics that can be employed to triumph in the end - everything big and small from merely surviving and outlasting the enemy to having more children to getting your stronger enemy to overreact and engage in mass atrocities that is reviled by all and turns off everyone (ring a bell?) to even a heroic defeat that creates a martyr, a catalyst who inspires others. The list goes on.

    But your ideology of "win at all costs, right now" often leads to hell and is typical of Alinsky's ilk. After quoting Hillel and Paine, Alinsky then grandiosely quotes himself:

    Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins—or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer
    As my godfather told me when I converted, "Remember that there are worse things than death." Well, hell is one of them and I have no desire to imitate a man who takes after the Devil and create a hell on earth to gratify my ego. You, on the other hand, are apparently okay with a hell on earth, so long as you get to be an overclass in it.

    Replies: @Jack D
  325. @That Would Be Telling
    @Twinkie


    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.
    I'd like to know the math content in question. There's a period where there's a lot of word problems that have to be turned into math to then solve, so I expect verbal intelligence to contribute to that.

    Would also like to know if math is really the subject, vs. woke "rainforest math" etc. I'm going by my sub-par prior to high school starting algebra US math education in deep Red state flyover country with essentially no Jews, but back then 2 + 2 always equaled 4, no amount of "bullshit and kiss ass" would get you a better grade for coming up with 5 as the result. Would not also work at MIT when I started with the equilivent of the BC sequence of AP calculus done at speed, for which I had to really buckle down to get definite integrals, but it was all fun starting with the high school algebra.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

    Years ago when we were looking at private schools to send our kids, we visited a well known school in our area. I knew that it was a little bit liberal and artsy but it had a good reputation, at least worth a visit.

    One of the classes that we visited was a math class and the teacher started the class by asking the students to take out their “math journals” and write about their feelings about math that day. It sounded like a joke, like something out of Portlandia. Needless to say, we didn’t send our kids to that school.

    But it wasn’t a joke. I think the school meant it as an equalizer (an equitizer?). Some of their bright but highly verbal artsy types, especially the girls, were no frigging good at math, but boy can they verbalize about their feelings. OTOH, the nerdy boys who are good at math often are men of few words and prefer to hold their feelings close to the vest. So the “math journal” was like a thumb on the scale to even things up. Like in the famous cartoon, the math journal was like an extra orange crate for the intellectual midgets to stand on:

  326. https://im1776.com/manifesto-counterrevolution/

    THE NEW RIGHT ACTIVISM
    By Christopher Rufo · 4 January 2024

    A Manifesto for the Counterrevolution

    [MORE]

  327. res says:
    @That Would Be Telling
    @Twinkie


    Did you not see the recent research that showed that those with high verbal test scores and low quantitative scores get higher math grades in the classroom than are warranted by the low test scores? Underlining that result is the possibility, perhaps even likelihood, that such people have poor actual quantitative skills, but they bullshit and kiss ass and get good grades in the classroom even in math.
    I'd like to know the math content in question. There's a period where there's a lot of word problems that have to be turned into math to then solve, so I expect verbal intelligence to contribute to that.

    Would also like to know if math is really the subject, vs. woke "rainforest math" etc. I'm going by my sub-par prior to high school starting algebra US math education in deep Red state flyover country with essentially no Jews, but back then 2 + 2 always equaled 4, no amount of "bullshit and kiss ass" would get you a better grade for coming up with 5 as the result. Would not also work at MIT when I started with the equilivent of the BC sequence of AP calculus done at speed, for which I had to really buckle down to get definite integrals, but it was all fun starting with the high school algebra.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res

    I’d like to know the math content in question. There’s a period where there’s a lot of word problems that have to be turned into math to then solve, so I expect verbal intelligence to contribute to that.

    That topic was discussed in another iSteve thread. I’ll link a comment of mine since I think it covers some of the possible issues with the data and analysis. dux.ie did some good work, but the data is aggregated in a way I think makes it less useful. Be sure to look at his comments in the thread.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/electeds-of-color/#comment-6321796

    This comment links what I think was his data source.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/electeds-of-color/#comment-6321156

    They are looking at HS math and here are the classes surveyed. Excerpted from Table 2 on page 8.

    Course Title | % Reported | Average Grade
    Algebra 1 97 3.28
    Algebra 2 85 3.20
    Geometry 93 3.19
    Trigonometry 28 3.42
    Other Advanced Math 29 3.41
    Beginning Calculus 9 3.51
    Computer Science 9 3.64

    Back to you.

    I’m going by my sub-par prior to high school starting algebra US math education in deep Red state flyover country with essentially no Jews, but back then 2 + 2 always equaled 4, no amount of “bullshit and kiss ass” would get you a better grade for coming up with 5 as the result.

    I’m less confident of that than you are. Some factors.
    – How much of the grade is tests and problem sets vs. participation and teacher judgment?
    – Partial credit.
    – Ability to substitute g for math ability (in obtaining answers, distinct from BS and AK). I think that works to some degree. For example, those word problems you mention.

  328. @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    Let's do this in order to figure how the "stalemate" works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the "equally stable" Ukraine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie

    Sure, it’s safer to be in Sevastopol than Kyiv because the Ukrainians don’t target random civilians like the Russians do.

    That being said, they are both fairly safe. Flights are suspended but you can take a train or drive from the Polish border to Kyiv any day of the week. I haven’t been there since the war started but I know people who have gone (and have lived to tell about it).

    Western cities like Lviv are even safer except for the very rare Russian missile attack (which are increasingly answered by Ukrainian missile attacks on Belgorod). Given the lower street crime level, you are probably safer spending a week in Lviv than you would be spending a week in Moscow with its two million Muslims. Men of Unz would love Lviv. You never saw so many white people in your life.

    BTW, I would stay out of Crimea if I were you. You couldn’t pay me to go on that bridge.

    •�Replies: @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    We have them "whites" in Romania as well. You need to watch your pockets at all time, be it Lyyv or Craiova.

    That being said, I went to Philadelphia, and it was much worse than what I imagine happens in Crimea.

    Btw, how do you reconcile the ideas that Crimea is dangerous for tourists and that Zelenskites only hit military targets? It implies that tourists in Crimea are all military targets for Zelenskites, although as far as I recall, zero Ukrainians fought the little green tourists in 2014.
  329. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I have read it but I have obviously not memorized it. I don't recall any generals off hand but I do recall that he quotes from a famous rabbi. Do you know the rabbi's name?

    I hear what you are saying about an ugly society but it's not a good idea to fight according to the Queensbury rules while the other side fights no holds barred. That's a recipe for getting kicked in the head.

    Speaking of ugly society, Rufo (and Ackman) state quite explicitly that their goal was not just to get rid of Gay, whom everyone agrees is just a big interchangeable zero, but to dismantled the entire DIE apparatus. Getting rid of Gay was just step one and by itself is not really a "result".

    But, as Claudine Gay famously said, "Rome was not built in a day." It has taken years to create the rot inside our institutions and it will take years to root it out. It's like the old joke, "What do you call 1,000 lawyers tied to rocks and tossed into the sea?" "A good beginning."

    BTW, speaking of Chicago Rules and an ugly society, yesterday Business Insider came back at Ackman's wife. She has a PhD from MIT and at one time was on their faculty. They went thru her dissertation and they found a few places where she had left out quotation marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mather said, "blah blah blah". Gotcha! Fortunately, she is no longer on the faculty (she has her own startup) so there is really nothing that they can do to her except to try to humiliate her.

    But it shows that whoever goes after the Establishment should expect them to come back at them. See also Harvard siccing their lawyers on the NY Post. These people ARE ugly (in more ways than one) and will use ugly methods.

    But, as the Rabbi said, you don't want to make a whore of your soul. But I don't think Rufo or Ackman did.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I have read it but I have obviously not memorized it. I don’t recall any generals off hand

    It’s clear you never read it. See, this is where your Dunning-Kruger gets you every time. You have such contempt for the goyim as stupider than the Jews (you), you start believing in your own press release and think you can just bullshit these “dim-witted Men of Unz.” Alas, there are men here who are smarter than you and better read too.

    Alinsky quotes several generals in the book, including Patton and Sherman, but under the chapter titled “Tactics,” he quotes Hannibal, “We will either find a way or make one.” This is doubly ironic, because this is precisely the part of the book that has the “fourth rule” you quote from Wikipedia above (except you leave out – because you never read it – the potshot he takes at Christianity):

    The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.

    As for this:

    but I do recall that he quotes from a famous rabbi. Do you know the rabbi’s name?

    Are you like those black athletes who are always seen “reading” the first page of the books in pictures?

    The very first thing (after the acknowledgements) in the book is a quote from Rabbi Hillel: “Where there are no men, be thou a man.”

    But, as the Rabbi said, you don’t want to make a whore of your soul.

    But apparently you stopped there, because the next quote is from Thomas Paine, not from any “Rabbi”: “Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul…”

    I hear what you are saying about an ugly society but it’s not a good idea to fight according to the Queensbury rules while the other side fights no holds barred. That’s a recipe for getting kicked in the head.

    You think only winning matters. Typical thinking of a rootless cosmopolitan. Did the early Christians in Rome win a lot? Did they lose in the end?

    You don’t fight and die on every hill – especially when you are the Weak and the vast tentacles of the Establishment powers are arrayed against you. There are many strategies and tactics that can be employed to triumph in the end – everything big and small from merely surviving and outlasting the enemy to having more children to getting your stronger enemy to overreact and engage in mass atrocities that is reviled by all and turns off everyone (ring a bell?) to even a heroic defeat that creates a martyr, a catalyst who inspires others. The list goes on.

    But your ideology of “win at all costs, right now” often leads to hell and is typical of Alinsky’s ilk. After quoting Hillel and Paine, Alinsky then grandiosely quotes himself:

    Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins—or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer

    As my godfather told me when I converted, “Remember that there are worse things than death.” Well, hell is one of them and I have no desire to imitate a man who takes after the Devil and create a hell on earth to gratify my ego. You, on the other hand, are apparently okay with a hell on earth, so long as you get to be an overclass in it.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    As my godfather told me when I converted,
    You used to be Jewish? That explains a lot!

    Replies: @Twinkie
  330. Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.

    •�Thanks: Twinkie
    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @MGB


    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.
    Absolutely hilarious!

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/neri-oxman-admits-plagiarizing-her-065402107.html

    Neri Oxman, the wife of billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, admitted to failing to properly credit sources in portions of her doctoral dissertation after Business Insider published an article finding that Oxman engaged in a pattern of plagiarism similar to that of former Harvard president Claudine Gay.

    BI identified four instances in Oxman's dissertation in which she lifted paragraphs from other scholars' work without including them in quotation marks. In those instances, Oxman wrote in a post on X, using quotation marks would have been "the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors."

    Ackman has been on a crusade to force Gay to resign, which she did this week. Revelations that she had plagiarized portions of academic articles, publicized by far-right activist Christopher Rufo, added fuel to his calls for Gay to step down after protests against Israel's war in Gaza rocked Harvard's campus.

    Ackman said Gay had mishandled the student protests and created a culture of antisemitism at the elite Cambridge institution. Gay's plagiarism underscored her lack of fitness to lead the institution, or even to teach at Harvard, Ackman wrote on X, calling Gay's plagiarism "very serious."

    Oxman, an architect and artist, received her Ph.D. from MIT in 2010 and became a tenured professor there in 2017 before leaving the university in June 2021, an MIT spokesperson said. Her failure to use quotation marks to identify passages of text from other sources meets the definition of plagiarism as spelled out in MIT's academic integrity handbook.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB, @MGB, @res
  331. @OK Boomer
    @Jack D

    Let's do this in order to figure how the "stalemate" works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the "equally stable" Ukraine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie

    Let’s do this in order to figure how the “stalemate” works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the “equally stable” Ukraine.

    Do you want to play the same game with the US vs Vietnam, c. 1972?

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's much worse than that. The Vietnamese had no capability of bombing American cities to retaliate for the Americans bombing Hanoi. The Ukrainians do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTFTZ9eWElg

    The Ukrainians try to avoid civilian targets but stuff comes down when hit by the Russian air defense. Sometimes the Russian air defense rockets themselves go astray and hit their own people. I would bet you that big mouthed OK Boomer is not taking any vacations in Belgorod any time soon. It sounds like friggin' London during the Blitz.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  332. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I have read it but I have obviously not memorized it. I don’t recall any generals off hand
    It's clear you never read it. See, this is where your Dunning-Kruger gets you every time. You have such contempt for the goyim as stupider than the Jews (you), you start believing in your own press release and think you can just bullshit these "dim-witted Men of Unz." Alas, there are men here who are smarter than you and better read too.

    Alinsky quotes several generals in the book, including Patton and Sherman, but under the chapter titled "Tactics," he quotes Hannibal, "We will either find a way or make one." This is doubly ironic, because this is precisely the part of the book that has the "fourth rule" you quote from Wikipedia above (except you leave out - because you never read it - the potshot he takes at Christianity):

    The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.
    As for this:

    but I do recall that he quotes from a famous rabbi. Do you know the rabbi’s name?
    Are you like those black athletes who are always seen "reading" the first page of the books in pictures?

    The very first thing (after the acknowledgements) in the book is a quote from Rabbi Hillel: "Where there are no men, be thou a man."

    But, as the Rabbi said, you don’t want to make a whore of your soul.
    But apparently you stopped there, because the next quote is from Thomas Paine, not from any "Rabbi": "Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul..."

    I hear what you are saying about an ugly society but it’s not a good idea to fight according to the Queensbury rules while the other side fights no holds barred. That’s a recipe for getting kicked in the head.
    You think only winning matters. Typical thinking of a rootless cosmopolitan. Did the early Christians in Rome win a lot? Did they lose in the end?

    You don't fight and die on every hill - especially when you are the Weak and the vast tentacles of the Establishment powers are arrayed against you. There are many strategies and tactics that can be employed to triumph in the end - everything big and small from merely surviving and outlasting the enemy to having more children to getting your stronger enemy to overreact and engage in mass atrocities that is reviled by all and turns off everyone (ring a bell?) to even a heroic defeat that creates a martyr, a catalyst who inspires others. The list goes on.

    But your ideology of "win at all costs, right now" often leads to hell and is typical of Alinsky's ilk. After quoting Hillel and Paine, Alinsky then grandiosely quotes himself:

    Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins—or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer
    As my godfather told me when I converted, "Remember that there are worse things than death." Well, hell is one of them and I have no desire to imitate a man who takes after the Devil and create a hell on earth to gratify my ego. You, on the other hand, are apparently okay with a hell on earth, so long as you get to be an overclass in it.

    Replies: @Jack D

    As my godfather told me when I converted,

    You used to be Jewish? That explains a lot!

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    You used to be Jewish? That explains a lot!
    Very lame/weak attempt at "humor" (note that no one is laughing and giving you LOL) to cover up the fact that you were caught red-handed acting like you read Alinsky.

    Let me guess, you got good grades in math class, but did poorly on the quantitative section on the SAT/GRE, didn't you?

    You might benefit from paying heed to Rabbi Hillel ("be thou a man"): be forthright for once and admit you tried to act like you knew more than you did and that you shouldn't have.

    Replies: @Jack D
  333. @Twinkie
    @OK Boomer


    Let’s do this in order to figure how the “stalemate” works: I go on a holiday anywhere in 99% of Russia, including Crimea, if you go on a trip to the “equally stable” Ukraine.
    Do you want to play the same game with the US vs Vietnam, c. 1972?

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s much worse than that. The Vietnamese had no capability of bombing American cities to retaliate for the Americans bombing Hanoi. The Ukrainians do.

    The Ukrainians try to avoid civilian targets but stuff comes down when hit by the Russian air defense. Sometimes the Russian air defense rockets themselves go astray and hit their own people. I would bet you that big mouthed OK Boomer is not taking any vacations in Belgorod any time soon. It sounds like friggin’ London during the Blitz.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    It’s much worse than that. The Vietnamese had no capability of bombing American cities to retaliate for the Americans bombing Hanoi. The Ukrainians do.
    That's not the analogy. The analogy is that one side is fighting an expeditionary war and the other side is fighting a war of national defense/liberation.

    Of course, the home front of a country engaging in a costly expeditionary war is going to be safer (by and large) than the country that is being invaded. That, contrary to that other commenter's assertion, has no bearing on who's winning and who's losing or whether the war is stalemated.
  334. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    As my godfather told me when I converted,
    You used to be Jewish? That explains a lot!

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You used to be Jewish? That explains a lot!

    Very lame/weak attempt at “humor” (note that no one is laughing and giving you LOL) to cover up the fact that you were caught red-handed acting like you read Alinsky.

    Let me guess, you got good grades in math class, but did poorly on the quantitative section on the SAT/GRE, didn’t you?

    You might benefit from paying heed to Rabbi Hillel (“be thou a man”): be forthright for once and admit you tried to act like you knew more than you did and that you shouldn’t have.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I never took the GRE. I went to law school.

    I took the SAT twice. The 1st time my M/V was identical and the 2nd time the 2 scores were within 20 points of each other. And both of my kids had the same.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters. Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.

    Now let me guess - your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Twinkie
  335. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's much worse than that. The Vietnamese had no capability of bombing American cities to retaliate for the Americans bombing Hanoi. The Ukrainians do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTFTZ9eWElg

    The Ukrainians try to avoid civilian targets but stuff comes down when hit by the Russian air defense. Sometimes the Russian air defense rockets themselves go astray and hit their own people. I would bet you that big mouthed OK Boomer is not taking any vacations in Belgorod any time soon. It sounds like friggin' London during the Blitz.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s much worse than that. The Vietnamese had no capability of bombing American cities to retaliate for the Americans bombing Hanoi. The Ukrainians do.

    That’s not the analogy. The analogy is that one side is fighting an expeditionary war and the other side is fighting a war of national defense/liberation.

    Of course, the home front of a country engaging in a costly expeditionary war is going to be safer (by and large) than the country that is being invaded. That, contrary to that other commenter’s assertion, has no bearing on who’s winning and who’s losing or whether the war is stalemated.

  336. @MGB
    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.

    Absolutely hilarious!

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/neri-oxman-admits-plagiarizing-her-065402107.html

    Neri Oxman, the wife of billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, admitted to failing to properly credit sources in portions of her doctoral dissertation after Business Insider published an article finding that Oxman engaged in a pattern of plagiarism similar to that of former Harvard president Claudine Gay.

    BI identified four instances in Oxman’s dissertation in which she lifted paragraphs from other scholars’ work without including them in quotation marks. In those instances, Oxman wrote in a post on X, using quotation marks would have been “the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors.”

    Ackman has been on a crusade to force Gay to resign, which she did this week. Revelations that she had plagiarized portions of academic articles, publicized by far-right activist Christopher Rufo, added fuel to his calls for Gay to step down after protests against Israel’s war in Gaza rocked Harvard’s campus.

    Ackman said Gay had mishandled the student protests and created a culture of antisemitism at the elite Cambridge institution. Gay’s plagiarism underscored her lack of fitness to lead the institution, or even to teach at Harvard, Ackman wrote on X, calling Gay’s plagiarism “very serious.”

    Oxman, an architect and artist, received her Ph.D. from MIT in 2010 and became a tenured professor there in 2017 before leaving the university in June 2021, an MIT spokesperson said. Her failure to use quotation marks to identify passages of text from other sources meets the definition of plagiarism as spelled out in MIT’s academic integrity handbook.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's not hilarious, it's a despicable hit job and their "gotcha" was stupid.

    She gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn't mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn't) this wouldn't be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement - she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    But it is an indication that if you hit the Establishment , they will punch back below the belt. Next they will go after his children. This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Frau Katze
    , @MGB
    @Twinkie

    Yes, and Oxman, another photogenic mediocrity kitted out with the usual Ted-talk glasses and black turtleneck, said that she regretted that she ‘received’ funds from Epstein despite evidence she was aware of his conviction at the time, despite concerns expressed to her by her students, despite active efforts to obfuscate as dictated to her by her boss as funding was arranged, despite her employer lying about the depth of Epstein’s involvement in soliciting donations for MIT, despite post-disclosure efforts of many, including Ackman, to cover up her role in the funding scandal. Yeah, she regrets getting caught, not that she was involved.
    , @MGB
    @Twinkie

    From Ackman’s twitter account:

    My wife, @NeriOxman, was just contacted by Business Insider claiming that they have identified other plagiarism in her work including 15 examples in her dissertation where she did not cite Wikipedia as a source.

    Business Insider told us that they are publishing their story this evening. As a result, we don't have time to research their claims prior to publication.

    It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family.

    This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews.

    We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.

    We will be using MIT's own plagiarism standards . . .
    Ha. Late-stage sub genius incestuous civil war. Who the fuck uses Wikipedia as a source for their doctoral dissertation, properly attributed or otherwise?

    Replies: @Hibernian
    , @res
    @Twinkie

    Well, I think I'll combine your take and Jack's. It was all of:
    - Absolutely hilarious!
    - A despicable hit job
    - A stupid "gotcha"

    But what takes this kerfuffle to the next level is Ackman's response.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-05/ackman-wants-plagiarism-checks-on-mit-faculty-after-wife-accused
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-pledges-review-all-professors-at-mit-for-plagiarism-2024-1

    A fun quote. I think the establishment may have chosen the wrong billionaire to anger.

    "It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family," Ackman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, on Friday. "This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews. We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism."
    Some more here.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/06/metro/neri-oxman-bill-ackman-confront-allegations-of-plagiarism/

    In a later post on X, Ackman said he would extend his plagiarism review to include Business Insider journalists.
    Oxman apologized as follows.

    Shortly after the article was published online, Oxman responded Thursday in a post on social media where she apologized and acknowledged “errors” with those paragraphs in her 330-page dissertation titled “Material-based Design Computation.”

    “For each of the four paragraphs in question, I properly credited the original source’s author(s) with references at the end of each of the subject paragraphs, and in the detailed bibliography end pages of the dissertation,” Oxman said in a post on X. “In these four paragraphs, however, I did not place the subject language in quotation marks, which would be the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors.”

    She said Business Insider did not give her enough time to review the source material, some of which is not available online.

    “When I obtain access to the original sources, I will check all of the above citations and request that MIT make any necessary corrections,” Oxman wrote on X.
    Everyone note the spin immediately following that. Then read Jack D's comment for why this is a false equivalence.

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.
    P.S. It is looking like AI based plagiarism detectors are going to cause significant upheaval in academia. I wonder how this larger issue plays out.

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling
  337. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    You used to be Jewish? That explains a lot!
    Very lame/weak attempt at "humor" (note that no one is laughing and giving you LOL) to cover up the fact that you were caught red-handed acting like you read Alinsky.

    Let me guess, you got good grades in math class, but did poorly on the quantitative section on the SAT/GRE, didn't you?

    You might benefit from paying heed to Rabbi Hillel ("be thou a man"): be forthright for once and admit you tried to act like you knew more than you did and that you shouldn't have.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I never took the GRE. I went to law school.

    I took the SAT twice. The 1st time my M/V was identical and the 2nd time the 2 scores were within 20 points of each other. And both of my kids had the same.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters. Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.

    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?

    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?
    So was mine. (SAT: 690 Verbal, 740 Mathematical) We Hibernians are good at math.

    Seriously, couldn't you two guys just cut it out?

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?
    Wrong - as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters.
    Can you name me a youngish (say, under age 50) "brilliant Jewish mathematician"?

    Have you seen the Ph.D. programs at top tier mathematics, physics, and engineering departments lately? I see a whole lot of Asians and very few, if any, Jews. This isn't the 1950's.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly "balanced" - it's low in visuo-spatial IQ.

    Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.
    How many Vietnamese cornerbacks can you name? I bet I can name more brilliant Asian-American lawyers (I guess you are assuming that the continent of Asian doesn't have brilliant lawyers, but that's okay, we'll stick with just America). Off-hand, John Yoo and Harold Koh come to mind right away.

    By the way, South Koreans, unlike the Chinese and the Japanese, have "balanced" quant/verbal scores on PISA (actually a slight "verbal tilt" as the author of the following article notes): https://snowdentodd.substack.com/p/did-an-alphabet-make-korea-more-verbal

    A map has been making the rounds on X showing math and reading tilt in PISA scores by country. It comes from a study published over a year ago, which analyzes PISA data from 2000-2018.

    Users describe the map as reflecting a quantitative tilt in East Asia. While this is true overall, the region’s major countries still vary considerably. China exhibits the most quantitative tilt, although Macao and Hong Kong notably skew less quantitative than mainland China. Japan shows less (but still significant) quantitative tilt than China. Curiously, South Korea actually shows a verbal tilt. If we extend to Southeast Asia, we notice Vietnam presents balanced PISA scores, if not a slight verbal tilt as well. If the narrative here is supposed to be “those Asians and their math brains,” we might expect less variation, at least among South Korea, Japan and China.

    Why might Korea be the outlier here? And why might Macao and Hong Kong deviate from mainland China?
    And all this is just shameless handwaving to cover up the fact that you were caught acting like you read Alinsky's book when you couldn't even quote the first page correctly. I'll give you this - you certainly have Chutzpah.

    Replies: @res
  338. @Twinkie
    @MGB


    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.
    Absolutely hilarious!

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/neri-oxman-admits-plagiarizing-her-065402107.html

    Neri Oxman, the wife of billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, admitted to failing to properly credit sources in portions of her doctoral dissertation after Business Insider published an article finding that Oxman engaged in a pattern of plagiarism similar to that of former Harvard president Claudine Gay.

    BI identified four instances in Oxman's dissertation in which she lifted paragraphs from other scholars' work without including them in quotation marks. In those instances, Oxman wrote in a post on X, using quotation marks would have been "the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors."

    Ackman has been on a crusade to force Gay to resign, which she did this week. Revelations that she had plagiarized portions of academic articles, publicized by far-right activist Christopher Rufo, added fuel to his calls for Gay to step down after protests against Israel's war in Gaza rocked Harvard's campus.

    Ackman said Gay had mishandled the student protests and created a culture of antisemitism at the elite Cambridge institution. Gay's plagiarism underscored her lack of fitness to lead the institution, or even to teach at Harvard, Ackman wrote on X, calling Gay's plagiarism "very serious."

    Oxman, an architect and artist, received her Ph.D. from MIT in 2010 and became a tenured professor there in 2017 before leaving the university in June 2021, an MIT spokesperson said. Her failure to use quotation marks to identify passages of text from other sources meets the definition of plagiarism as spelled out in MIT's academic integrity handbook.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB, @MGB, @res

    It’s not hilarious, it’s a despicable hit job and their “gotcha” was stupid.

    She gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn’t mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn’t) this wouldn’t be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement – she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    But it is an indication that if you hit the Establishment , they will punch back below the belt. Next they will go after his children. This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    •�Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Remember Sarah Palin's office e-mails? Every last one printed off and read by one of a scrum of temporary employees.
    ==
    It's another indication, in case you needed one, that media organs have no integrity and no autonomous mission. When Michelle Malkin left public life two years ago, she said the profession she entered in 1992 no longer existed. There was no reporting, just 'information ops'.
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    It’s not hilarious, it’s a despicable hit job
    1. You don't find it funny that there is now a circular firing squad going on among the "right" people? Where is your self-described superior Jewish sense of humor? Or do you only find "punching down" (esp. Jews at non-Jews) funny?

    2. "Despicable"? But I thought you liked a society where all is war and everyone is playing by Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals"?

    3. Your deep pain on behalf of this Jewish oligarch and his wife is noted. Pity you don't feel the same heartache for ordinary goyim Americans ("Fellow Whites!") who are marginalized by the Establishment. But, hey, the system got your daughter into an elite university, so it's all good, isn't it? (You are conspicuously and curiously silent on your son's educational credentials.)
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    She [Oxman] gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn’t mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn’t) this wouldn’t be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement – she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.
    Wow. You really went to bat for Neri Oxman, huh?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1

    Academic celebrity Neri Oxman plagiarized from Wikipedia, scholars, a textbook, and other sources without any attribution

    On Thursday, Business Insider identified four instances in which Oxman had lifted passages from other scholars' work in her doctoral dissertation, completed at MIT in 2010. Three of those were passages where she should have used quotation marks but did not, and one included language from another author without any citation. In a post on X, Oxman admitted the plagiarism, apologized, and said she would review the primary sources and request corrections as needed.

    But a thorough review of her published work revealed that Oxman's failure to cite sources went beyond that — and included multiple instances of plagiarism in which she passed off writing from other sources as her own without citing the original in any way. At least 15 passages from her 2010 MIT doctoral dissertation were lifted without any citation from Wikipedia entries. [Boldface mine.]
    Oooops!

    This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.
    Totally. A Jewish billionaire going after the Harvard affirmative action case black president for plagiarism when his own "scholar" wife has been a plagiarist as well is totally not funny, because, well, Gay is black while the billionaire and his wife are Jews. And we all know that Jews being hoisted upon their own petard is totally Nazism and anti-Semitism, but blacks deserve what's coming to them.

    Replies: @Jack D
    , @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    Gay grew up in comfortable circumstances. From Wikipedia:

    Gay grew up the child of Haitian immigrants… Her mother studied nursing and her father studied engineering. Gay spent much of her childhood first in New York, and then in Saudi Arabia, where her father worked for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, while her mother was a registered nurse… [H]er family in Haiti owns and runs the largest concrete plant in that country.
    One of the people she plagiarized from, a black woman named Carol Swain, did not:

    Carol Miller Swain was born on March 7, 1954, in Bedford, Virginia, the second of twelve children. Her father dropped out of school in the third grade and her mother dropped out in high school. Her stepfather used to physically abuse her mother, Dorothy Henderson, who is disabled due to polio. Swain grew up in poverty, living in a shack without running water, and sharing two beds with her eleven siblings. She did not finish high school, dropping out in ninth grade. She moved to Roanoke with her family in the 1960s and appealed to a judge to be transferred to a foster home, which was denied. Swain instead lived with her grandmother in a trailer park.
    This is a huge class difference.

    People see “Haiti” and just assume that Gay came from a poverty-stricken background.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudine_Gay
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain
  339. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's not hilarious, it's a despicable hit job and their "gotcha" was stupid.

    She gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn't mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn't) this wouldn't be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement - she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    But it is an indication that if you hit the Establishment , they will punch back below the belt. Next they will go after his children. This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Frau Katze

    Remember Sarah Palin’s office e-mails? Every last one printed off and read by one of a scrum of temporary employees.
    ==
    It’s another indication, in case you needed one, that media organs have no integrity and no autonomous mission. When Michelle Malkin left public life two years ago, she said the profession she entered in 1992 no longer existed. There was no reporting, just ‘information ops’.

  340. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/05/claudine-gay-resignation-battle-column-00133820

    The Right Is Dancing on Claudine Gay’s Grave. But It Was the Center-Left That Did Her In.
    Her fate was decided by folks on the center-left and the left. The only things conservatives had to do was fan the flames.

    By MICHAEL SCHAFFER
    01/05/2024
    […]
    But there’s a strange thing missing from this moment of conservative agit-prop victory: The people who actually made decisions about Gay, who were almost all on the left and the center-left. In other words, exactly who you’d expect to be in the mix at a liberal university.

    Rather than a monolith to be attacked by MAGA die-hards, elite higher ed is a world with significant existing tensions between the moderate and not-so-moderate left. Conservatives may have fanned the flames, but the divides that defined Gay’s tenure — over DEI, over Israel/Gaza, over speech and even over how seriously to take her plagiarism — were among folks well outside the far-right universe. As such, it’s a lesson for all sorts of other blue-state organizations, from think tanks to businesses to the Democratic Party.

    Don’t take my word for it. Take it from Chris Rufo, the far-right critical race theory foe who DeSantis appointed to a state university board. Rufo, who helped publicize the plagiarism charges that ultimately doomed Gay, spent time this week taking credit for the media strategy that forced her out. But he actually laid out the strategy weeks ago:

    “We launched the Claudine Gay plagiarism story from the Right,” Rufo wrote on December 19 on X, formerly known as Twitter. “The next step is to smuggle it into the media apparatus of the Left, legitimizing the narrative to center-left actors who have the power to topple her. Then squeeze.”

    That’s more or less what happened.

    [MORE]

    […]
    Yet too much focus on conservative activists kneecapping a liberal university also obscures the truth that Rufo understood: Real tensions exist between left and center-left — tensions that often involve universities, tensions that can have real political consequences and tensions that can be exploited pretty easily by folks who aren’t necessarily acting in good faith.

    The older white guys who aren’t all-in for DEI policies still have some power even in elite progressive outfits. Ditto the culturally traditional blue-collar voters whose drift from Democrats on election day is freaking out party stalwarts. Like any coalition, the constellation of folks who make up a university community — or a political party — are not ever going to be on the same page, and are not always going to bite their tongues just because a blow-up would delight the other side.

    •�Replies: @res
    @MEH 0910

    That is a (unintentionally?) revealing take. Who exactly is dancing on whom's grave?
  341. MGB says:
    @Twinkie
    @MGB


    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.
    Absolutely hilarious!

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/neri-oxman-admits-plagiarizing-her-065402107.html

    Neri Oxman, the wife of billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, admitted to failing to properly credit sources in portions of her doctoral dissertation after Business Insider published an article finding that Oxman engaged in a pattern of plagiarism similar to that of former Harvard president Claudine Gay.

    BI identified four instances in Oxman's dissertation in which she lifted paragraphs from other scholars' work without including them in quotation marks. In those instances, Oxman wrote in a post on X, using quotation marks would have been "the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors."

    Ackman has been on a crusade to force Gay to resign, which she did this week. Revelations that she had plagiarized portions of academic articles, publicized by far-right activist Christopher Rufo, added fuel to his calls for Gay to step down after protests against Israel's war in Gaza rocked Harvard's campus.

    Ackman said Gay had mishandled the student protests and created a culture of antisemitism at the elite Cambridge institution. Gay's plagiarism underscored her lack of fitness to lead the institution, or even to teach at Harvard, Ackman wrote on X, calling Gay's plagiarism "very serious."

    Oxman, an architect and artist, received her Ph.D. from MIT in 2010 and became a tenured professor there in 2017 before leaving the university in June 2021, an MIT spokesperson said. Her failure to use quotation marks to identify passages of text from other sources meets the definition of plagiarism as spelled out in MIT's academic integrity handbook.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB, @MGB, @res

    Yes, and Oxman, another photogenic mediocrity kitted out with the usual Ted-talk glasses and black turtleneck, said that she regretted that she ‘received’ funds from Epstein despite evidence she was aware of his conviction at the time, despite concerns expressed to her by her students, despite active efforts to obfuscate as dictated to her by her boss as funding was arranged, despite her employer lying about the depth of Epstein’s involvement in soliciting donations for MIT, despite post-disclosure efforts of many, including Ackman, to cover up her role in the funding scandal. Yeah, she regrets getting caught, not that she was involved.

  342. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Don’t let any professor no matter how distinguished tell you that this is OK for the Ivy League.
    I appreciate you sharing your personal experience, but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.

    Jack D has preached on other topics that terms can have specialized meanings in his professional field that may not align completely with the meanings a layperson would give to them. The same is true with the field of professional academia.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Art Deco, @Hibernian

    You walked into an unplanned ambush.

  343. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    but if anyone is qualified to judge what is and is not academic plagiarism it is a professional academic. You are not one. Jack D is not one. Meanwhile, at least one relevant and respected academic has opined that what Gay did does not amount to true academic plagiarism. If this were really that serious, she would not still be teaching.
    I was "a professional academic" once (a military historian, to be specific). What Gay did was 100% plagiarism.

    But then again, we live in a country where a plagiarist is the president of the United States: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/

    That said, black mediocrities get high-flying jobs regardless of such "minor academic oversight" and they keep them too, so long as they don't rock the boat. Well, Gay rocked the pro-Israel boat. They aren't going to fire her with an overt, "You are fired, because you didn't support Israel hard enough" rationale (in which case she'll go to the court and embarrass Harvard). They are going to find something to latch onto (and mediocrities usually have lots of skeletons in the closet) - in Gay's case, it was her lack of academic rigor and plagiarism.

    If you think about it from their perspective, this is all the more reason to hire such mediocrities. Since they don't have an iron-clad, merit-supported position, they are going to be very loyal to the Establishment. And then, when, once in a while, a mediocrity screws up, well, you need to make an example of someone once in a while to demonstrate consequences, don't you - pour encourager les autres, as Voltaire wrote?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I was “a professional academic” once (a military historian, to be specific). What Gay did was 100% plagiarism.

    But then again, we live in a country where a plagiarist is the president of the United States: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-plagiarism/

    This.

  344. @S
    I wonder what would be said if she were to do the unthinkable and start saying: 'They let the Nobel prize winner Dr Martin Luther King and the current president Joe Biden do the exact same I've been accused of with no long term repercussions. Why am I being treated differently?'

    Probably it simply wouldn't be reported and she'd be further unpersoned more than she already is I suppose.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Dr. King had been dead for a fair number of years when his plagiarism was discovered, and Joltin’ Joe is a politician, enough said.

  345. MGB says:
    @Twinkie
    @MGB


    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.
    Absolutely hilarious!

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/neri-oxman-admits-plagiarizing-her-065402107.html

    Neri Oxman, the wife of billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, admitted to failing to properly credit sources in portions of her doctoral dissertation after Business Insider published an article finding that Oxman engaged in a pattern of plagiarism similar to that of former Harvard president Claudine Gay.

    BI identified four instances in Oxman's dissertation in which she lifted paragraphs from other scholars' work without including them in quotation marks. In those instances, Oxman wrote in a post on X, using quotation marks would have been "the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors."

    Ackman has been on a crusade to force Gay to resign, which she did this week. Revelations that she had plagiarized portions of academic articles, publicized by far-right activist Christopher Rufo, added fuel to his calls for Gay to step down after protests against Israel's war in Gaza rocked Harvard's campus.

    Ackman said Gay had mishandled the student protests and created a culture of antisemitism at the elite Cambridge institution. Gay's plagiarism underscored her lack of fitness to lead the institution, or even to teach at Harvard, Ackman wrote on X, calling Gay's plagiarism "very serious."

    Oxman, an architect and artist, received her Ph.D. from MIT in 2010 and became a tenured professor there in 2017 before leaving the university in June 2021, an MIT spokesperson said. Her failure to use quotation marks to identify passages of text from other sources meets the definition of plagiarism as spelled out in MIT's academic integrity handbook.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB, @MGB, @res

    From Ackman’s twitter account:

    My wife, @NeriOxman, was just contacted by Business Insider claiming that they have identified other plagiarism in her work including 15 examples in her dissertation where she did not cite Wikipedia as a source.

    Business Insider told us that they are publishing their story this evening. As a result, we don’t have time to research their claims prior to publication.

    It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family.

    This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews.

    We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.

    We will be using MIT’s own plagiarism standards . . .

    Ha. Late-stage sub genius incestuous civil war. Who the fuck uses Wikipedia as a source for their doctoral dissertation, properly attributed or otherwise?

    •�Thanks: Twinkie
    •�Replies: @Hibernian
    @MGB

    Mr. Ackman might consider using this:

    https://www.turnitin.com/
  346. res says:
    @Twinkie
    @MGB


    Business Insider report on Neri Oxman plagiarizing her PhD thesis.
    Absolutely hilarious!

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/neri-oxman-admits-plagiarizing-her-065402107.html

    Neri Oxman, the wife of billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, admitted to failing to properly credit sources in portions of her doctoral dissertation after Business Insider published an article finding that Oxman engaged in a pattern of plagiarism similar to that of former Harvard president Claudine Gay.

    BI identified four instances in Oxman's dissertation in which she lifted paragraphs from other scholars' work without including them in quotation marks. In those instances, Oxman wrote in a post on X, using quotation marks would have been "the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors."

    Ackman has been on a crusade to force Gay to resign, which she did this week. Revelations that she had plagiarized portions of academic articles, publicized by far-right activist Christopher Rufo, added fuel to his calls for Gay to step down after protests against Israel's war in Gaza rocked Harvard's campus.

    Ackman said Gay had mishandled the student protests and created a culture of antisemitism at the elite Cambridge institution. Gay's plagiarism underscored her lack of fitness to lead the institution, or even to teach at Harvard, Ackman wrote on X, calling Gay's plagiarism "very serious."

    Oxman, an architect and artist, received her Ph.D. from MIT in 2010 and became a tenured professor there in 2017 before leaving the university in June 2021, an MIT spokesperson said. Her failure to use quotation marks to identify passages of text from other sources meets the definition of plagiarism as spelled out in MIT's academic integrity handbook.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MGB, @MGB, @res

    Well, I think I’ll combine your take and Jack’s. It was all of:
    – Absolutely hilarious!
    – A despicable hit job
    – A stupid “gotcha”

    But what takes this kerfuffle to the next level is Ackman’s response.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-05/ackman-wants-plagiarism-checks-on-mit-faculty-after-wife-accused
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-pledges-review-all-professors-at-mit-for-plagiarism-2024-1

    A fun quote. I think the establishment may have chosen the wrong billionaire to anger.

    “It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family,” Ackman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, on Friday. “This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews. We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.”

    Some more here.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/06/metro/neri-oxman-bill-ackman-confront-allegations-of-plagiarism/

    In a later post on X, Ackman said he would extend his plagiarism review to include Business Insider journalists.

    Oxman apologized as follows.

    Shortly after the article was published online, Oxman responded Thursday in a post on social media where she apologized and acknowledged “errors” with those paragraphs in her 330-page dissertation titled “Material-based Design Computation.”

    “For each of the four paragraphs in question, I properly credited the original source’s author(s) with references at the end of each of the subject paragraphs, and in the detailed bibliography end pages of the dissertation,” Oxman said in a post on X. “In these four paragraphs, however, I did not place the subject language in quotation marks, which would be the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors.”

    She said Business Insider did not give her enough time to review the source material, some of which is not available online.

    “When I obtain access to the original sources, I will check all of the above citations and request that MIT make any necessary corrections,” Oxman wrote on X.

    Everyone note the spin immediately following that. Then read Jack D’s comment for why this is a false equivalence.

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.

    P.S. It is looking like AI based plagiarism detectors are going to cause significant upheaval in academia. I wonder how this larger issue plays out.

    •�LOL: Twinkie
    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    Now THAT is hilarious. They picked the wrong billionaire's family to fuck with. After Ackman's crew is done combing over the publications of the MIT faculty and the Business Insider staff he can move on to their spouses/significant others and children if any and the cats of the Business Insider reporters/wine aunts. The guy has extra hundreds of millions of $ now that he cancelled his Harvard donations so might as well spend them on a good cause!

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar[ TO?] the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.
    First of all, editing is dead. These people are worried about missing quote marks when they can't even write a properly formed sentence?

    2nd, no they weren't "similar" at all. Like I said before, if that was all they had on Gay she would still be the president of Harvard.

    Replies: @MGB
    , @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    I looked at Ackman's Xwitter feed and discovered in mid-December he went nuclear on MIT, calling out (((the MIT Corporation chair))), equivalent to Harvard's (((Penny Pritzker))), and his extremely woke wife for tax fraud that in theory could cost MIT its tax exempt status:

    https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1743445041362649342

    Also skimmed Ackman's wife's Ph.D. thesis, it's something I'd expect from the architecture department, math I doubt most of us understand, computers, 3D printing, a rejection of modernism in favor of nature, some beautiful or attractive/interesting as well as ugly stuff etc. in three hundred pages. Not axiomatic garbage like Gay's DEI. And, yeah, the bibliography is "detailed," 389 entries.
  347. @MEH 0910
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/05/claudine-gay-resignation-battle-column-00133820

    The Right Is Dancing on Claudine Gay’s Grave. But It Was the Center-Left That Did Her In.
    Her fate was decided by folks on the center-left and the left. The only things conservatives had to do was fan the flames.

    By MICHAEL SCHAFFER
    01/05/2024
    [...]
    But there’s a strange thing missing from this moment of conservative agit-prop victory: The people who actually made decisions about Gay, who were almost all on the left and the center-left. In other words, exactly who you’d expect to be in the mix at a liberal university.

    Rather than a monolith to be attacked by MAGA die-hards, elite higher ed is a world with significant existing tensions between the moderate and not-so-moderate left. Conservatives may have fanned the flames, but the divides that defined Gay’s tenure — over DEI, over Israel/Gaza, over speech and even over how seriously to take her plagiarism — were among folks well outside the far-right universe. As such, it’s a lesson for all sorts of other blue-state organizations, from think tanks to businesses to the Democratic Party.

    Don’t take my word for it. Take it from Chris Rufo, the far-right critical race theory foe who DeSantis appointed to a state university board. Rufo, who helped publicize the plagiarism charges that ultimately doomed Gay, spent time this week taking credit for the media strategy that forced her out. But he actually laid out the strategy weeks ago:

    “We launched the Claudine Gay plagiarism story from the Right,” Rufo wrote on December 19 on X, formerly known as Twitter. “The next step is to smuggle it into the media apparatus of the Left, legitimizing the narrative to center-left actors who have the power to topple her. Then squeeze.”

    That’s more or less what happened.

    [...]
    Yet too much focus on conservative activists kneecapping a liberal university also obscures the truth that Rufo understood: Real tensions exist between left and center-left — tensions that often involve universities, tensions that can have real political consequences and tensions that can be exploited pretty easily by folks who aren’t necessarily acting in good faith.

    The older white guys who aren’t all-in for DEI policies still have some power even in elite progressive outfits. Ditto the culturally traditional blue-collar voters whose drift from Democrats on election day is freaking out party stalwarts. Like any coalition, the constellation of folks who make up a university community — or a political party — are not ever going to be on the same page, and are not always going to bite their tongues just because a blow-up would delight the other side.

    Replies: @res

    That is a (unintentionally?) revealing take. Who exactly is dancing on whom’s grave?

  348. @Jack D
    @OK Boomer

    Sure, it's safer to be in Sevastopol than Kyiv because the Ukrainians don't target random civilians like the Russians do.

    That being said, they are both fairly safe. Flights are suspended but you can take a train or drive from the Polish border to Kyiv any day of the week. I haven't been there since the war started but I know people who have gone (and have lived to tell about it).

    Western cities like Lviv are even safer except for the very rare Russian missile attack (which are increasingly answered by Ukrainian missile attacks on Belgorod). Given the lower street crime level, you are probably safer spending a week in Lviv than you would be spending a week in Moscow with its two million Muslims. Men of Unz would love Lviv. You never saw so many white people in your life.

    BTW, I would stay out of Crimea if I were you. You couldn't pay me to go on that bridge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxgWCsampJg

    Replies: @OK Boomer

    We have them “whites” in Romania as well. You need to watch your pockets at all time, be it Lyyv or Craiova.

    That being said, I went to Philadelphia, and it was much worse than what I imagine happens in Crimea.

    Btw, how do you reconcile the ideas that Crimea is dangerous for tourists and that Zelenskites only hit military targets? It implies that tourists in Crimea are all military targets for Zelenskites, although as far as I recall, zero Ukrainians fought the little green tourists in 2014.

  349. @res
    @Twinkie

    Well, I think I'll combine your take and Jack's. It was all of:
    - Absolutely hilarious!
    - A despicable hit job
    - A stupid "gotcha"

    But what takes this kerfuffle to the next level is Ackman's response.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-05/ackman-wants-plagiarism-checks-on-mit-faculty-after-wife-accused
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-pledges-review-all-professors-at-mit-for-plagiarism-2024-1

    A fun quote. I think the establishment may have chosen the wrong billionaire to anger.

    "It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family," Ackman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, on Friday. "This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews. We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism."
    Some more here.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/06/metro/neri-oxman-bill-ackman-confront-allegations-of-plagiarism/

    In a later post on X, Ackman said he would extend his plagiarism review to include Business Insider journalists.
    Oxman apologized as follows.

    Shortly after the article was published online, Oxman responded Thursday in a post on social media where she apologized and acknowledged “errors” with those paragraphs in her 330-page dissertation titled “Material-based Design Computation.”

    “For each of the four paragraphs in question, I properly credited the original source’s author(s) with references at the end of each of the subject paragraphs, and in the detailed bibliography end pages of the dissertation,” Oxman said in a post on X. “In these four paragraphs, however, I did not place the subject language in quotation marks, which would be the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors.”

    She said Business Insider did not give her enough time to review the source material, some of which is not available online.

    “When I obtain access to the original sources, I will check all of the above citations and request that MIT make any necessary corrections,” Oxman wrote on X.
    Everyone note the spin immediately following that. Then read Jack D's comment for why this is a false equivalence.

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.
    P.S. It is looking like AI based plagiarism detectors are going to cause significant upheaval in academia. I wonder how this larger issue plays out.

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling

    Now THAT is hilarious. They picked the wrong billionaire’s family to fuck with. After Ackman’s crew is done combing over the publications of the MIT faculty and the Business Insider staff he can move on to their spouses/significant others and children if any and the cats of the Business Insider reporters/wine aunts. The guy has extra hundreds of millions of $ now that he cancelled his Harvard donations so might as well spend them on a good cause!

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar[ TO?] the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.

    First of all, editing is dead. These people are worried about missing quote marks when they can’t even write a properly formed sentence?

    2nd, no they weren’t “similar” at all. Like I said before, if that was all they had on Gay she would still be the president of Harvard.

    •�Replies: @MGB
    @Jack D

    They picked the wrong, intellectually corrupt, disingenuous billionaire to fuck with, you mean. You are a real loser. There are few ‘white hats’ in this degenerate society, and Bill Ackman and his trophy wife with her spurious credentials ain’t it.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  350. @Jack D
    @res

    Now THAT is hilarious. They picked the wrong billionaire's family to fuck with. After Ackman's crew is done combing over the publications of the MIT faculty and the Business Insider staff he can move on to their spouses/significant others and children if any and the cats of the Business Insider reporters/wine aunts. The guy has extra hundreds of millions of $ now that he cancelled his Harvard donations so might as well spend them on a good cause!

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar[ TO?] the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.
    First of all, editing is dead. These people are worried about missing quote marks when they can't even write a properly formed sentence?

    2nd, no they weren't "similar" at all. Like I said before, if that was all they had on Gay she would still be the president of Harvard.

    Replies: @MGB

    They picked the wrong, intellectually corrupt, disingenuous billionaire to fuck with, you mean. You are a real loser. There are few ‘white hats’ in this degenerate society, and Bill Ackman and his trophy wife with her spurious credentials ain’t it.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @MGB


    There are few ‘white hats’ in this degenerate society, and Bill Ackman and his trophy wife with her spurious credentials ain’t it.
    100%. But Ackman is Jewish (and rich) and that's enough for Jack D's "home" team.

    Replies: @MGB
  351. @res
    @Twinkie

    Well, I think I'll combine your take and Jack's. It was all of:
    - Absolutely hilarious!
    - A despicable hit job
    - A stupid "gotcha"

    But what takes this kerfuffle to the next level is Ackman's response.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-05/ackman-wants-plagiarism-checks-on-mit-faculty-after-wife-accused
    https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-pledges-review-all-professors-at-mit-for-plagiarism-2024-1

    A fun quote. I think the establishment may have chosen the wrong billionaire to anger.

    "It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family," Ackman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, on Friday. "This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews. We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism."
    Some more here.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/06/metro/neri-oxman-bill-ackman-confront-allegations-of-plagiarism/

    In a later post on X, Ackman said he would extend his plagiarism review to include Business Insider journalists.
    Oxman apologized as follows.

    Shortly after the article was published online, Oxman responded Thursday in a post on social media where she apologized and acknowledged “errors” with those paragraphs in her 330-page dissertation titled “Material-based Design Computation.”

    “For each of the four paragraphs in question, I properly credited the original source’s author(s) with references at the end of each of the subject paragraphs, and in the detailed bibliography end pages of the dissertation,” Oxman said in a post on X. “In these four paragraphs, however, I did not place the subject language in quotation marks, which would be the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors.”

    She said Business Insider did not give her enough time to review the source material, some of which is not available online.

    “When I obtain access to the original sources, I will check all of the above citations and request that MIT make any necessary corrections,” Oxman wrote on X.
    Everyone note the spin immediately following that. Then read Jack D's comment for why this is a false equivalence.

    The report noted that the instances of plagiarism raised in Oxman’s dissertation were similar the examples found in Gay’s work, which Ackman amplified in his push for Gay’s removal as Harvard president.
    P.S. It is looking like AI based plagiarism detectors are going to cause significant upheaval in academia. I wonder how this larger issue plays out.

    Replies: @Jack D, @That Would Be Telling

    I looked at Ackman’s Xwitter feed and discovered in mid-December he went nuclear on MIT, calling out (((the MIT Corporation chair))), equivalent to Harvard’s (((Penny Pritzker))), and his extremely woke wife for tax fraud that in theory could cost MIT its tax exempt status:

    Also skimmed Ackman’s wife’s Ph.D. thesis, it’s something I’d expect from the architecture department, math I doubt most of us understand, computers, 3D printing, a rejection of modernism in favor of nature, some beautiful or attractive/interesting as well as ugly stuff etc. in three hundred pages. Not axiomatic garbage like Gay’s DEI. And, yeah, the bibliography is “detailed,” 389 entries.

    •�Thanks: res
  352. @MGB
    @Twinkie

    From Ackman’s twitter account:

    My wife, @NeriOxman, was just contacted by Business Insider claiming that they have identified other plagiarism in her work including 15 examples in her dissertation where she did not cite Wikipedia as a source.

    Business Insider told us that they are publishing their story this evening. As a result, we don't have time to research their claims prior to publication.

    It is unfortunate that my actions to address problems in higher education have led to these attacks on my family.

    This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews.

    We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.

    We will be using MIT's own plagiarism standards . . .
    Ha. Late-stage sub genius incestuous civil war. Who the fuck uses Wikipedia as a source for their doctoral dissertation, properly attributed or otherwise?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Mr. Ackman might consider using this:

    https://www.turnitin.com/

  353. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I never took the GRE. I went to law school.

    I took the SAT twice. The 1st time my M/V was identical and the 2nd time the 2 scores were within 20 points of each other. And both of my kids had the same.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters. Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.

    Now let me guess - your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Twinkie

    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?

    So was mine. (SAT: 690 Verbal, 740 Mathematical) We Hibernians are good at math.

    Seriously, couldn’t you two guys just cut it out?

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Hibernian

    I have nothing against Koreans but Twinkie has a thing for Jews. Maybe he took his conversion to Christianity too seriously and adopted some kind of traditional Church "the Jews killed Jesus" type Christianity or something.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie
  354. Anonymous[995] •�Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Alinsky's Rules for Radicals aren't really just rules for radicals. They are rules for anyone who wants to get something done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals .

    Here is rule #4:

    4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

    also #13:

    13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    Others apply too. Rufo clearly read and followed the Rules and he got results. The Men of Unz prefer reading Goebbels .

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    I haven’t read this book, but this reminds me of a lesson I learned many years ago. There are no ‘faceless bureaucracies’. Every company, every department, every party, faction, or gang – every human social organization – consists of one person plus a bunch of followers.

    If you get into a conflict with such an organization you need to identify and focus that individual. Don’t let him hide behind his followers. Challenge the organization and nothing happens. Challenge him personally and you get results.

  355. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I never took the GRE. I went to law school.

    I took the SAT twice. The 1st time my M/V was identical and the 2nd time the 2 scores were within 20 points of each other. And both of my kids had the same.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters. Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.

    Now let me guess - your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Twinkie

    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?

    Wrong – as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters.

    Can you name me a youngish (say, under age 50) “brilliant Jewish mathematician”?

    Have you seen the Ph.D. programs at top tier mathematics, physics, and engineering departments lately? I see a whole lot of Asians and very few, if any, Jews. This isn’t the 1950’s.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly “balanced” – it’s low in visuo-spatial IQ.

    Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.

    How many Vietnamese cornerbacks can you name? I bet I can name more brilliant Asian-American lawyers (I guess you are assuming that the continent of Asian doesn’t have brilliant lawyers, but that’s okay, we’ll stick with just America). Off-hand, John Yoo and Harold Koh come to mind right away.

    By the way, South Koreans, unlike the Chinese and the Japanese, have “balanced” quant/verbal scores on PISA (actually a slight “verbal tilt” as the author of the following article notes): https://snowdentodd.substack.com/p/did-an-alphabet-make-korea-more-verbal

    A map has been making the rounds on X showing math and reading tilt in PISA scores by country. It comes from a study published over a year ago, which analyzes PISA data from 2000-2018.

    Users describe the map as reflecting a quantitative tilt in East Asia. While this is true overall, the region’s major countries still vary considerably. China exhibits the most quantitative tilt, although Macao and Hong Kong notably skew less quantitative than mainland China. Japan shows less (but still significant) quantitative tilt than China. Curiously, South Korea actually shows a verbal tilt. If we extend to Southeast Asia, we notice Vietnam presents balanced PISA scores, if not a slight verbal tilt as well. If the narrative here is supposed to be “those Asians and their math brains,” we might expect less variation, at least among South Korea, Japan and China.

    Why might Korea be the outlier here? And why might Macao and Hong Kong deviate from mainland China?

    And all this is just shameless handwaving to cover up the fact that you were caught acting like you read Alinsky’s book when you couldn’t even quote the first page correctly. I’ll give you this – you certainly have Chutzpah.

    •�Replies: @res
    @Twinkie



    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?
    Wrong – as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.
    It is interesting how the percentile ranks for the subtests compare for the pre-1995 SAT (this all changed with the recentering when the verbal subtest was made much easier).

    From (best reference to the recentering):
    The Recentering of SAT® Scales and Its Effects on Score Distributions and Score Interpretations
    https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED563023.pdf

    Dorans includes 50 point bucket histograms for the 1990 reference group in Figure 1. The better reference for percentiles is Table 1 which shows 1/5/10/25/50/75/90/95/99 percentiles (they use the opposite convention from you, so top 1%) for each subtest (and gives male/female percentiles at those scores). The top 1% score was 690 for verbal and 750 for math. So in that era a 60 point difference was fairly "typical" (top 5% was 620 verbal and 690 math, top 10% was 570 verbal and 650 math).

    Figures 18-21 have 50 point bucket histograms by race for anyone interested.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly “balanced” – it’s low in visuo-spatial IQ.
    Reference for that.
    Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence
    https://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

    Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual ability profile as well as higher than average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average (Levinson, 1977; Levinson and Block, 1977). Han Eysenck (Eysenck, 1995) noted “The correlation between verbal and performance tests is about 0.77 in the general population, but only 0.31 among Jewish children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this size difference.” The Ashkenazi pattern of success is what one would expect from this ability distribution-great success in mathematics and literature, more typical results in representational painting, sculpture, and architecture
    Also see this.

    There is variation in the way different subtests contribute to IQ. Males, for example, usually outperform females on spatial and quantitative tasks while females do better on tasks related to language. There are also group differences: Ashkenazim do not show any marked advantage on spatial tasks while they excel at linguistic and arithmetic tasks. Northeast Asians have high spatial scores for a given overall IQ.
    It seems I failed to follow those Levinson references in the past so taking a look now.

    Levinson, B. (1977) Cognitive style of Eastern European Jewish males. Perceptual and Motor Skills 45, 279–283.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24707-001

    Full text available on SciHub.

    This became long and is OT so...


    Summary.-A distinctive cognitive style showing high verbal-low spatial analysis ability emerged on intelligence test performances of Jewish male subjects of Eastern European extraction. This style is somewhat different from that of the normative population. It is hypothesized that genetic factors making for differential development of the cerebral hemispheres in these subjects interact with subcultural emphasis on verbal skills to produce the evidenced differences.
    More details (and a number of references) there. Some examples.

    The white Jewish subjects ( N = 1236) had a mean visual-reasoning score of 46.00 and a verbal-knowledge score of 57.1, while the non-Jewish white subjects (N = 1051) had a visual-reasoning score of 51.8 and a verbal-knowledge score of 51.9. Jewish male subjects (N = 658) had a mean visual-reasoning of 53.06 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 61.22. The non-Jewish males ( N = 507) had a mean visual-reasoning of 58.22 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 54.19. These inter- and intra-group differences are statistically significant.

    The spatial factor under scrutiny in all the above studies may be defined as the ability to visualize two or three-dimensional figures when their orientation in a plane or space is altered (Hakstian & Cattell, 1974, p. 147). One of the most important characteristics of spatial items is that "they must be difficult or impossible to solve by verbal mediation" (Bock & Kolakowski, 1973, p. 3).
    There is some evidence that comparative superiority in spatial ability is sex-linked.
    Guilford (1967) found that males were very often superior to females in spatial orientation, spatial visualization, and mechanical aptitude. Maccoby and Jacklin (1974) also indicate that boys excel in spatial abilities. For this reason we have confined our hypothesis to male subjects only to avoid a possible confounding factor of sex-linked inferiority in spatial analysis ability.

    Bock and Vandenberg (1968) found that among the mental abilities studied, spatial ability showed the largest component of heritable variance.
    ...
    As pointed out by Goldberg and Meredith (1975), an expectation derived from the genetic hypothesis is that the trait should remain relatively constant in the population. This expectation was confirmed in a cross-sectional study of Jewish children, in which the performance IQ of the subjects remained constant while the verbal IQ was significantly higher on follow-up testing (Levinson, 1961). Although at the time we attributed these results to the effect of participating in a verbally oriented subculture, we would now ascribe at least part of the discrepancy evidenced to hereditary factors.

    It is hypothesized that the mechanism through which genetic factors produce their effect is the differential development of cerebral hemispheres. Many researchers have found that the right and left hemispheres of the brain are differentially implicated in various cognitive functions. Gazzaniga ( 1970), Guilford (1967), Lezak (1976), and Matarazzo ( 1972) have concluded that the right cerebral hemisphere is associated with figural functions and the left hemisphere with semantic abilities. Wittelson (1976) asserts thar in boys "the right hemisphere has the dominant role in processing nonlinguistic, spatial information by at least six years of age; in contrast, in girls the right hemisphere is not dominant by age 13" (p. 425).

    If our hypothesis is valid, other areas influenced by the right half of the brain should be comparatively weaker in the Jewish population. This has been found true with regard to perceptual abilities. A recent study (Adevai, Silverman, & McGough, 1970) compared the perceptual skills of 45
    male Jewish college freshmen with 140 male non-Jewish college freshmen, after all subjects had been equated for scores on the Scholastic Aptitude Test. The Jewish students did more poorly on a 10-test battery of perceptual skills.
    Interesting speculations.

    Levinson, B. & Block, Z. (1977) Goodenough-Harris drawings of Jewish children of Orthodox background. Psychological Reports 41,155–158.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24333-001

    I am not seeing full text for that, but here is the abstract.

    The Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale, Form L and the Goodenough-Harris Drawing Test were administered in a counterbalanced order to a random sample of 401 native born Jewish children (CA = 5.22 yr.) who were attending the kindergartens and primary grades of suburban day (Yeshiva) schools. These children were of high average intelligence. There were no statistically significant differences between their performance on the Man, Woman, and Self scales for either the boys or the girls. For a selected sample (N = 201) of preschool children, the performance on the Goodenough-Harris Man scale was significantly below the CA norms for both the boys and the girls.

    Perhaps not a coincidence that spatial ability is rather underrepresented in so many tests (e.g. SAT)?

    Some recent discussion of Jewish spatial ability at Andrew Gelman's blog. In particular note the James Watson quote in the second paragraph.
    https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/24/on-that-weird-stereotype-about-jews-being-bad-at-spatial-reasoning/

    Another interesting aspect of that is the comment where Jon Baron offers some additional references and is immediately (19 minutes, impressive) attacked by "Joshua" who leads off with "Oy."

    P.S. While browsing around for references for this comment I ran across an old comment referencing 1990 ETS data by religion and race by commenter FrankT.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2314374

    Since his link is now dead, here is an archive page. Search for Judaism to find the relevant part.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20181127023901/www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

    Another comment in that thread links an interesting spatial ability paper.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2315401

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Twinkie
  356. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's not hilarious, it's a despicable hit job and their "gotcha" was stupid.

    She gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn't mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn't) this wouldn't be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement - she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    But it is an indication that if you hit the Establishment , they will punch back below the belt. Next they will go after his children. This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Frau Katze

    It’s not hilarious, it’s a despicable hit job

    1. You don’t find it funny that there is now a circular firing squad going on among the “right” people? Where is your self-described superior Jewish sense of humor? Or do you only find “punching down” (esp. Jews at non-Jews) funny?

    2. “Despicable”? But I thought you liked a society where all is war and everyone is playing by Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”?

    3. Your deep pain on behalf of this Jewish oligarch and his wife is noted. Pity you don’t feel the same heartache for ordinary goyim Americans (“Fellow Whites!”) who are marginalized by the Establishment. But, hey, the system got your daughter into an elite university, so it’s all good, isn’t it? (You are conspicuously and curiously silent on your son’s educational credentials.)

  357. @MGB
    @Jack D

    They picked the wrong, intellectually corrupt, disingenuous billionaire to fuck with, you mean. You are a real loser. There are few ‘white hats’ in this degenerate society, and Bill Ackman and his trophy wife with her spurious credentials ain’t it.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    There are few ‘white hats’ in this degenerate society, and Bill Ackman and his trophy wife with her spurious credentials ain’t it.

    100%. But Ackman is Jewish (and rich) and that’s enough for Jack D’s “home” team.

    •�Replies: @MGB
    @Twinkie

    It’s the racial/ethnic myopia, but also the gangster ethic that is so disgusting. ‘You don’t fuck with Bill Ackman, no sir!’ Never mind that he brought this on himself, and now whines that people are unfairly targeting his family. He could have more been discrete about all this from the beginning, but, no, ‘You don’t fuck with Bill Ackman!’ He didn’t get the resignations ‘in disgrace’ he demanded on account of perceived AntiSemitism, so he went rooting around like a pig for dirt on the targets of his public tantrum. Now, apparently, an adult, or collective of adults, have warned Bill about what he and wifey have to lose if he insists on pursuing his jihad against higher Ed. Given what a POS Ackman is, I have to assume reason did not win out, but that a ‘horse head in the bed’ threat had to be delivered. To paraphrase a not so wise man, ‘he thought he could intimidate MIT, but he thought wrong.’ And now his spouse looks like an idiot for copy-pasting text from Wikipedia. Oh well, ‘that’s the way the cookie crumbles’.
  358. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's not hilarious, it's a despicable hit job and their "gotcha" was stupid.

    She gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn't mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn't) this wouldn't be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement - she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    But it is an indication that if you hit the Establishment , they will punch back below the belt. Next they will go after his children. This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Frau Katze

    She [Oxman] gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn’t mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn’t) this wouldn’t be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement – she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    Wow. You really went to bat for Neri Oxman, huh?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1

    Academic celebrity Neri Oxman plagiarized from Wikipedia, scholars, a textbook, and other sources without any attribution

    On Thursday, Business Insider identified four instances in which Oxman had lifted passages from other scholars’ work in her doctoral dissertation, completed at MIT in 2010. Three of those were passages where she should have used quotation marks but did not, and one included language from another author without any citation. In a post on X, Oxman admitted the plagiarism, apologized, and said she would review the primary sources and request corrections as needed.

    But a thorough review of her published work revealed that Oxman’s failure to cite sources went beyond that — and included multiple instances of plagiarism in which she passed off writing from other sources as her own without citing the original in any way. At least 15 passages from her 2010 MIT doctoral dissertation were lifted without any citation from Wikipedia entries. [Boldface mine.]

    Oooops!

    This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    Totally. A Jewish billionaire going after the Harvard affirmative action case black president for plagiarism when his own “scholar” wife has been a plagiarist as well is totally not funny, because, well, Gay is black while the billionaire and his wife are Jews. And we all know that Jews being hoisted upon their own petard is totally Nazism and anti-Semitism, but blacks deserve what’s coming to them.

    •�Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's really funny how you, who are normally skeptical when it comes to Leftist claims, suddenly sound like a card carrying Leftist when it comes to anything having to do with Jews or Israel.

    Let's see what comes of these Wikipedia claims. My guess is that there is less to this than appear. For example, is it possible that the Wikipedia article is copied from her rather than vice versa? Let's also see what Ackman's review of the entire MIT faculty reveals and we'll see if the Jewess is any more of a plaigiarist than her comrades.

    Replies: @Twinkie
  359. MGB says:
    @Twinkie
    @MGB


    There are few ‘white hats’ in this degenerate society, and Bill Ackman and his trophy wife with her spurious credentials ain’t it.
    100%. But Ackman is Jewish (and rich) and that's enough for Jack D's "home" team.

    Replies: @MGB

    It’s the racial/ethnic myopia, but also the gangster ethic that is so disgusting. ‘You don’t fuck with Bill Ackman, no sir!’ Never mind that he brought this on himself, and now whines that people are unfairly targeting his family. He could have more been discrete about all this from the beginning, but, no, ‘You don’t fuck with Bill Ackman!’ He didn’t get the resignations ‘in disgrace’ he demanded on account of perceived AntiSemitism, so he went rooting around like a pig for dirt on the targets of his public tantrum. Now, apparently, an adult, or collective of adults, have warned Bill about what he and wifey have to lose if he insists on pursuing his jihad against higher Ed. Given what a POS Ackman is, I have to assume reason did not win out, but that a ‘horse head in the bed’ threat had to be delivered. To paraphrase a not so wise man, ‘he thought he could intimidate MIT, but he thought wrong.’ And now his spouse looks like an idiot for copy-pasting text from Wikipedia. Oh well, ‘that’s the way the cookie crumbles’.

    •�Agree: Twinkie
  360. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    She [Oxman] gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn’t mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn’t) this wouldn’t be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement – she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.
    Wow. You really went to bat for Neri Oxman, huh?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1

    Academic celebrity Neri Oxman plagiarized from Wikipedia, scholars, a textbook, and other sources without any attribution

    On Thursday, Business Insider identified four instances in which Oxman had lifted passages from other scholars' work in her doctoral dissertation, completed at MIT in 2010. Three of those were passages where she should have used quotation marks but did not, and one included language from another author without any citation. In a post on X, Oxman admitted the plagiarism, apologized, and said she would review the primary sources and request corrections as needed.

    But a thorough review of her published work revealed that Oxman's failure to cite sources went beyond that — and included multiple instances of plagiarism in which she passed off writing from other sources as her own without citing the original in any way. At least 15 passages from her 2010 MIT doctoral dissertation were lifted without any citation from Wikipedia entries. [Boldface mine.]
    Oooops!

    This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.
    Totally. A Jewish billionaire going after the Harvard affirmative action case black president for plagiarism when his own "scholar" wife has been a plagiarist as well is totally not funny, because, well, Gay is black while the billionaire and his wife are Jews. And we all know that Jews being hoisted upon their own petard is totally Nazism and anti-Semitism, but blacks deserve what's coming to them.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s really funny how you, who are normally skeptical when it comes to Leftist claims, suddenly sound like a card carrying Leftist when it comes to anything having to do with Jews or Israel.

    Let’s see what comes of these Wikipedia claims. My guess is that there is less to this than appear. For example, is it possible that the Wikipedia article is copied from her rather than vice versa? Let’s also see what Ackman’s review of the entire MIT faculty reveals and we’ll see if the Jewess is any more of a plaigiarist than her comrades.

    •�Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    It’s really funny how you, who are normally skeptical when it comes to Leftist claims, suddenly sound like a card carrying Leftist when it comes to anything having to do with Jews or Israel.
    Gee, that's odd. When I cited Business Insider as one of the sources for Russia's high casualties and other woes in the Russo-Ukrainian War, I don't recall you denigrating it as "Leftist claims." But it goes after a Jewish oligarch and his wife for their hypocrisy, suddenly it turns into a "card carrying Leftist" rag.

    Let’s see what comes of these Wikipedia claims. My guess is that there is less to this than appear.
    Why do Jews get the benefit of doubt over others from you?

    For example, is it possible that the Wikipedia article is copied from her rather than vice versa?
    Oh, the mental gymnastics and contortions! Did you even read the article?

    1. It cites - side by side - Oxman's writings and the Wikipedia originals. The plagiarism is extremely obvious to anyone except those who put on their "Jews can't do wrong" goggles.

    2. She was stupid enough to copy-and-paste not just texts, but an illustration too!

    Oxman never acknowledged having pulled from Wikipedia. She didn't just lift text, either: She also took an illustration from the article for "Heat flux" without citing a source, despite requirements in the image's Creative Commons license to credit where the picture came from. It's not surprising that Oxman wouldn't credit Wikipedia in her doctoral dissertation: While Wikipedia is generally accurate, anyone can edit it, so teachers regularly tell their students that they should not cite the website as an authority.
    3. Wikipedia didn't copy from Oxman, she copied it from Wikipedia, because one of the authors of the Wikipedia entry wrote thusly:

    "It's really a shame," said Rick Norwood, a math professor at East Tennessee State University who contributed a revision to the Wikipedia article on manifolds that Oxman repeated in her dissertation. "I can't imagine why anyone would do that, because anyone who knows even the rudiments of algebraic topology could come up with their own sentence."
    4. And it's not just Wikipedia:

    Wikipedia wasn't the only resource she cited without attribution in the paper that earned her a doctorate. In a footnote, she used 54 consecutive words without attribution from the website of the design-software maker Rhino to explain what a "Non-Uniform Rational B-Spline" is. She also used technical language about tessellations that matched language from the website Wolfram MathWorld — which, again, she didn't cite.

    She plagiarized both before and after she received her Ph.D. in 2010. Of three peer-reviewed papers reviewed by BI, two — 2007's "Get Real: Towards Performance Driven Computational Geometry" and 2011's "Variable Property Rapid Prototyping" — also contained plagiarism.

    The 2011 paper included more than 100 words exactly as they appeared in the 2005 book "Rapid Manufacturing: An Industrial Revolution for the Digital Age," without quotation marks, citation, or a mention in Oxman's bibliography. She pulled material from "Path planning of functionally graded material objects for layered manufacturing," a 2004 paper by M.Y. Zhou, without mentioning it in her bibliography. And she included two verbatim sentences from the 1999 book "Functionally Graded Materials: Design, Processing and Applications" without quotation marks or an in-line citation, though the work is mentioned in her bibliography.

    The 2007 "Get Real" paper pulled language describing tensors — an algebraic concept that includes scalars and vectors — from an earlier-published work, the "CRC Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics." In a 2010 paper, "Per Formative: Towards a Post Materialist Paradigm in Architecture," that was not peer-reviewed, BI also found another instance of plagiarism, with Oxman using chunks of language from publisher Da Capo Press' description of "The Modern Language of Architecture" by Bruno Zevi.
    So, because she's Jewish and because she's married to an inordinately rich Jew, what she did in no way compares to Gay's plagiarism, right?
  361. @Hibernian
    @Jack D


    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal? 50 points?
    So was mine. (SAT: 690 Verbal, 740 Mathematical) We Hibernians are good at math.

    Seriously, couldn't you two guys just cut it out?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I have nothing against Koreans but Twinkie has a thing for Jews. Maybe he took his conversion to Christianity too seriously and adopted some kind of traditional Church “the Jews killed Jesus” type Christianity or something.

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    There are times when your complete lack of thought before speaking really does precipitate an equally hylical reaction.
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I have nothing against Koreans but Twinkie has a thing for Jews.
    Hibernian wrote nothing about Koreans, so why would you protest that you have "nothing against Koreans"?

    It's like someone says, "Hey, stop arguing with the other guy!" And your response is, "I don't hate the blacks! But that other guy hates Jews."

    It's pretty clear what was on your mind. You should look up "projection" on Wikipedia.

    Maybe he took his conversion to Christianity too seriously and adopted some kind of traditional Church “the Jews killed Jesus” type Christianity or something.
    Jesus was a Jew (of the House of David, no less) and I love him. Mary and St. Joseph were Jews and I love them too. Shall I go on?

    No, I only "have a thing" against shifty, dishonest, and unpatriotic Jews like you. Don't worry, because I also hate non-Jews who are shifty, dishonest, and unpatriotic.

    Of course, "anti-Semitism" is the last refuge of Jewish scoundrels like you. On this very thread:

    1. You were exposed as pretending to have read a book you cited as if you were an authority. You couldn't even quote the first page correctly.

    2. You were also exposed shilling for a Jewish oligarch and his plagiarist wife and acting as their apologist all the while denigrating someone else who engaged in a similar (in some ways less worse) plagiarism (I mean Wikipedia? A whole diagram? Really?).

    3. When called out for these shenanigans, your first resort was to call me "humorless" and then the last resort was your usual "you dirty anti-Semite!"

    You are just shameless. Again, I ask you - are you trying to fan the flames of anti-Semitism by living up to the negative stereotypes? These days, it's said that the demand for "white supremacism" far exceeds its actual supply. Apparently the same goes for "anti-Semitism."
  362. NYT:
    https://archive.ph/3Scst

    How Harvard’s Board Broke Up With Claudine Gay
    Facing intense pressure, it went from standing behind her as the university’s president to pushing her out within weeks.

    By Maureen Farrell and Rob Copeland
    Jan. 6, 2024

    Claudine Gay was in Rome on a family vacation on Dec. 27 when Penny Pritzker, the leader of Harvard University’s governing board, called to ask: Did she think there was a path forward with her as the school’s president?

    Ms. Pritzker sounded weary, and it was posed as an open question, two people with knowledge of the conversation said. But Dr. Gay understood what it meant. Her six-month tenure as Harvard’s president was over. On Jan. 2, she announced her resignation.

    Viator Makes a Roman Ruins Tour Action-Packed

    May 17, 2023

    Sometimes a tour is so 🤌 you have to run to it, like this family visiting the Roman ruins during a layover—good thing for them that it’s a Skip the Line tour, too.

    •�Thanks: Jim Don Bob
  363. res says:
    @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?
    Wrong - as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.

    Jewish intelligence is balanced V/M so you have brilliant Jewish mathematicians as well as brilliant Jewish lawyers and songwriters.
    Can you name me a youngish (say, under age 50) "brilliant Jewish mathematician"?

    Have you seen the Ph.D. programs at top tier mathematics, physics, and engineering departments lately? I see a whole lot of Asians and very few, if any, Jews. This isn't the 1950's.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly "balanced" - it's low in visuo-spatial IQ.

    Brilliant Asian lawyers and songwriters are almost as rare as Vietnamese cornerbacks.
    How many Vietnamese cornerbacks can you name? I bet I can name more brilliant Asian-American lawyers (I guess you are assuming that the continent of Asian doesn't have brilliant lawyers, but that's okay, we'll stick with just America). Off-hand, John Yoo and Harold Koh come to mind right away.

    By the way, South Koreans, unlike the Chinese and the Japanese, have "balanced" quant/verbal scores on PISA (actually a slight "verbal tilt" as the author of the following article notes): https://snowdentodd.substack.com/p/did-an-alphabet-make-korea-more-verbal

    A map has been making the rounds on X showing math and reading tilt in PISA scores by country. It comes from a study published over a year ago, which analyzes PISA data from 2000-2018.

    Users describe the map as reflecting a quantitative tilt in East Asia. While this is true overall, the region’s major countries still vary considerably. China exhibits the most quantitative tilt, although Macao and Hong Kong notably skew less quantitative than mainland China. Japan shows less (but still significant) quantitative tilt than China. Curiously, South Korea actually shows a verbal tilt. If we extend to Southeast Asia, we notice Vietnam presents balanced PISA scores, if not a slight verbal tilt as well. If the narrative here is supposed to be “those Asians and their math brains,” we might expect less variation, at least among South Korea, Japan and China.

    Why might Korea be the outlier here? And why might Macao and Hong Kong deviate from mainland China?
    And all this is just shameless handwaving to cover up the fact that you were caught acting like you read Alinsky's book when you couldn't even quote the first page correctly. I'll give you this - you certainly have Chutzpah.

    Replies: @res

    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?

    Wrong – as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.

    It is interesting how the percentile ranks for the subtests compare for the pre-1995 SAT (this all changed with the recentering when the verbal subtest was made much easier).

    From (best reference to the recentering):
    The Recentering of SAT® Scales and Its Effects on Score Distributions and Score Interpretations
    https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED563023.pdf

    Dorans includes 50 point bucket histograms for the 1990 reference group in Figure 1. The better reference for percentiles is Table 1 which shows 1/5/10/25/50/75/90/95/99 percentiles (they use the opposite convention from you, so top 1%) for each subtest (and gives male/female percentiles at those scores). The top 1% score was 690 for verbal and 750 for math. So in that era a 60 point difference was fairly “typical” (top 5% was 620 verbal and 690 math, top 10% was 570 verbal and 650 math).

    Figures 18-21 have 50 point bucket histograms by race for anyone interested.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly “balanced” – it’s low in visuo-spatial IQ.

    Reference for that.
    Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence
    https://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

    Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual ability profile as well as higher than average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average (Levinson, 1977; Levinson and Block, 1977). Han Eysenck (Eysenck, 1995) noted “The correlation between verbal and performance tests is about 0.77 in the general population, but only 0.31 among Jewish children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this size difference.” The Ashkenazi pattern of success is what one would expect from this ability distribution-great success in mathematics and literature, more typical results in representational painting, sculpture, and architecture

    Also see this.

    There is variation in the way different subtests contribute to IQ. Males, for example, usually outperform females on spatial and quantitative tasks while females do better on tasks related to language. There are also group differences: Ashkenazim do not show any marked advantage on spatial tasks while they excel at linguistic and arithmetic tasks. Northeast Asians have high spatial scores for a given overall IQ.

    It seems I failed to follow those Levinson references in the past so taking a look now.

    Levinson, B. (1977) Cognitive style of Eastern European Jewish males. Perceptual and Motor Skills 45, 279–283.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24707-001

    Full text available on SciHub.

    This became long and is OT so…

    [MORE]

    Summary.-A distinctive cognitive style showing high verbal-low spatial analysis ability emerged on intelligence test performances of Jewish male subjects of Eastern European extraction. This style is somewhat different from that of the normative population. It is hypothesized that genetic factors making for differential development of the cerebral hemispheres in these subjects interact with subcultural emphasis on verbal skills to produce the evidenced differences.

    More details (and a number of references) there. Some examples.

    The white Jewish subjects ( N = 1236) had a mean visual-reasoning score of 46.00 and a verbal-knowledge score of 57.1, while the non-Jewish white subjects (N = 1051) had a visual-reasoning score of 51.8 and a verbal-knowledge score of 51.9. Jewish male subjects (N = 658) had a mean visual-reasoning of 53.06 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 61.22. The non-Jewish males ( N = 507) had a mean visual-reasoning of 58.22 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 54.19. These inter- and intra-group differences are statistically significant.

    The spatial factor under scrutiny in all the above studies may be defined as the ability to visualize two or three-dimensional figures when their orientation in a plane or space is altered (Hakstian & Cattell, 1974, p. 147). One of the most important characteristics of spatial items is that “they must be difficult or impossible to solve by verbal mediation” (Bock & Kolakowski, 1973, p. 3).
    There is some evidence that comparative superiority in spatial ability is sex-linked.
    Guilford (1967) found that males were very often superior to females in spatial orientation, spatial visualization, and mechanical aptitude. Maccoby and Jacklin (1974) also indicate that boys excel in spatial abilities. For this reason we have confined our hypothesis to male subjects only to avoid a possible confounding factor of sex-linked inferiority in spatial analysis ability.

    Bock and Vandenberg (1968) found that among the mental abilities studied, spatial ability showed the largest component of heritable variance.

    As pointed out by Goldberg and Meredith (1975), an expectation derived from the genetic hypothesis is that the trait should remain relatively constant in the population. This expectation was confirmed in a cross-sectional study of Jewish children, in which the performance IQ of the subjects remained constant while the verbal IQ was significantly higher on follow-up testing (Levinson, 1961). Although at the time we attributed these results to the effect of participating in a verbally oriented subculture, we would now ascribe at least part of the discrepancy evidenced to hereditary factors.

    It is hypothesized that the mechanism through which genetic factors produce their effect is the differential development of cerebral hemispheres. Many researchers have found that the right and left hemispheres of the brain are differentially implicated in various cognitive functions. Gazzaniga ( 1970), Guilford (1967), Lezak (1976), and Matarazzo ( 1972) have concluded that the right cerebral hemisphere is associated with figural functions and the left hemisphere with semantic abilities. Wittelson (1976) asserts thar in boys “the right hemisphere has the dominant role in processing nonlinguistic, spatial information by at least six years of age; in contrast, in girls the right hemisphere is not dominant by age 13” (p. 425).

    If our hypothesis is valid, other areas influenced by the right half of the brain should be comparatively weaker in the Jewish population. This has been found true with regard to perceptual abilities. A recent study (Adevai, Silverman, & McGough, 1970) compared the perceptual skills of 45
    male Jewish college freshmen with 140 male non-Jewish college freshmen, after all subjects had been equated for scores on the Scholastic Aptitude Test. The Jewish students did more poorly on a 10-test battery of perceptual skills.

    Interesting speculations.

    Levinson, B. & Block, Z. (1977) Goodenough-Harris drawings of Jewish children of Orthodox background. Psychological Reports 41,155–158.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24333-001

    I am not seeing full text for that, but here is the abstract.

    The Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale, Form L and the Goodenough-Harris Drawing Test were administered in a counterbalanced order to a random sample of 401 native born Jewish children (CA = 5.22 yr.) who were attending the kindergartens and primary grades of suburban day (Yeshiva) schools. These children were of high average intelligence. There were no statistically significant differences between their performance on the Man, Woman, and Self scales for either the boys or the girls. For a selected sample (N = 201) of preschool children, the performance on the Goodenough-Harris Man scale was significantly below the CA norms for both the boys and the girls.

    Perhaps not a coincidence that spatial ability is rather underrepresented in so many tests (e.g. SAT)?

    Some recent discussion of Jewish spatial ability at Andrew Gelman’s blog. In particular note the James Watson quote in the second paragraph.
    https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/24/on-that-weird-stereotype-about-jews-being-bad-at-spatial-reasoning/

    Another interesting aspect of that is the comment where Jon Baron offers some additional references and is immediately (19 minutes, impressive) attacked by “Joshua” who leads off with “Oy.”

    P.S. While browsing around for references for this comment I ran across an old comment referencing 1990 ETS data by religion and race by commenter FrankT.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2314374

    Since his link is now dead, here is an archive page. Search for Judaism to find the relevant part.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20181127023901/www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

    Another comment in that thread links an interesting spatial ability paper.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2315401

    •�Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @res

    So the bottom line is that Jews shouldn't be air traffic controllers? ;-)

    Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Twinkie
    @res


    The top 1% score was 690 for verbal and 750 for math. So in that era a 60 point difference was fairly “typical” (top 5% was 620 verbal and 690 math, top 10% was 570 verbal and 650 math).
    I scored close to 800 for each of the sections in both the SAT and the GRE (though my GRE verbal was higher than my SAT verbal - note that I took the SAT only a few years into learning English, so my SAT verbal score was depressed a little bit while, by the time I took the GRE, I was completely comfortable in English, so I scored nearly perfectly).

    I knew that 50-60 higher score for the quantitative section was the norm (or "balanced" to use Jack D's phrase) among the high-scoring test takers (excepting Jews), but did not want to muddy the water by introducing that idea (you know Jack D will try to weasel into non sequiturs to obfuscate the original points).

    If anyone's m/v/s components are balanced, it's the non-Jewish Western European-descended people (in other words, whites). But that's also probably because we are talking about America where such people are (or were) the majority, so their scores end up being the norm (or "balanced"). Globally, I don't know what the average component mix would be.

    But, at least in the U.S., Asians score higher than whites in visuo-spatial reasoning and quantitative while lower than whites in verbal. Jews score higher in verbal, higher than other whites but lower than Asians in quantitative, and much lower on visuo-spatial.

    Perhaps not a coincidence that spatial ability is rather underrepresented in so many tests (e.g. SAT)?
    An intriguing suggestion! We do know, of course, that our society and economy increasingly favor and reward the verbalist rentier class, not people who can calculate, design, and make things. Hmmm, who's in charge again? They wouldn't be people who have high verbal ability, but low spatial ability, would they? Note, too, that visuo-spatial ability is generally a male trait while verbal is a female one.

    Maybe Jack D should have written that good Jewish hunters/shooters/archers are rarer than Vietnamese cornerbacks! Are there good Jewish cornerbacks, by the way? ;)
  364. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's not hilarious, it's a despicable hit job and their "gotcha" was stupid.

    She gave full credit but just left out the quote marks. E.g. she wrote, As Mathers said, blah blah blah. Instead of , As Mathers said, “blah blah blah”. Technically this is improper, but if this is all that Gay had done, she would still have a job. She did the right thing to apologize (unlike Gay who at first denied that she had done anything at all) but the fact that she apologized doesn't mean that she committed more than a minor technical error. Even if Oxman was still a professor (she isn't) this wouldn't be grounds for any sort of disciplinary action. The most they would do is insert the missing quote marks. I would bet you that 99% of all dissertations have a least one technical violation of this type if you went over them with a fine tooth comb. How many people did Business Insider assign to this hit job and how many hours did they spend looking at every word and this was the best that they could come up with?

    Gay OTOH lifted whole paragraphs without attribution and even stole her acknowledgement - she was too stupid or lazy to think of a witty remark of her own. This was a Joe Biden level of stupidity. And she still has her faculty job.

    But it is an indication that if you hit the Establishment , they will punch back below the belt. Next they will go after his children. This is as funny as a heart attack. More proof that you have no idea what is funny. What little sense of humor you have is cruel.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Frau Katze

    Gay grew up in comfortable circumstances. From Wikipedia:

    Gay grew up the child of Haitian immigrants… Her mother studied nursing and her father studied engineering. Gay spent much of her childhood first in New York, and then in Saudi Arabia, where her father worked for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, while her mother was a registered nurse… [H]er family in Haiti owns and runs the largest concrete plant in that country.

    One of the people she plagiarized from, a black woman named Carol Swain, did not:

    Carol Miller Swain was born on March 7, 1954, in Bedford, Virginia, the second of twelve children. Her father dropped out of school in the third grade and her mother dropped out in high school. Her stepfather used to physically abuse her mother, Dorothy Henderson, who is disabled due to polio. Swain grew up in poverty, living in a shack without running water, and sharing two beds with her eleven siblings. She did not finish high school, dropping out in ninth grade. She moved to Roanoke with her family in the 1960s and appealed to a judge to be transferred to a foster home, which was denied. Swain instead lived with her grandmother in a trailer park.

    This is a huge class difference.

    People see “Haiti” and just assume that Gay came from a poverty-stricken background.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudine_Gay
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

  365. @res
    @Twinkie



    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?
    Wrong – as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.
    It is interesting how the percentile ranks for the subtests compare for the pre-1995 SAT (this all changed with the recentering when the verbal subtest was made much easier).

    From (best reference to the recentering):
    The Recentering of SAT® Scales and Its Effects on Score Distributions and Score Interpretations
    https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED563023.pdf

    Dorans includes 50 point bucket histograms for the 1990 reference group in Figure 1. The better reference for percentiles is Table 1 which shows 1/5/10/25/50/75/90/95/99 percentiles (they use the opposite convention from you, so top 1%) for each subtest (and gives male/female percentiles at those scores). The top 1% score was 690 for verbal and 750 for math. So in that era a 60 point difference was fairly "typical" (top 5% was 620 verbal and 690 math, top 10% was 570 verbal and 650 math).

    Figures 18-21 have 50 point bucket histograms by race for anyone interested.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly “balanced” – it’s low in visuo-spatial IQ.
    Reference for that.
    Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence
    https://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

    Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual ability profile as well as higher than average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average (Levinson, 1977; Levinson and Block, 1977). Han Eysenck (Eysenck, 1995) noted “The correlation between verbal and performance tests is about 0.77 in the general population, but only 0.31 among Jewish children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this size difference.” The Ashkenazi pattern of success is what one would expect from this ability distribution-great success in mathematics and literature, more typical results in representational painting, sculpture, and architecture
    Also see this.

    There is variation in the way different subtests contribute to IQ. Males, for example, usually outperform females on spatial and quantitative tasks while females do better on tasks related to language. There are also group differences: Ashkenazim do not show any marked advantage on spatial tasks while they excel at linguistic and arithmetic tasks. Northeast Asians have high spatial scores for a given overall IQ.
    It seems I failed to follow those Levinson references in the past so taking a look now.

    Levinson, B. (1977) Cognitive style of Eastern European Jewish males. Perceptual and Motor Skills 45, 279–283.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24707-001

    Full text available on SciHub.

    This became long and is OT so...


    Summary.-A distinctive cognitive style showing high verbal-low spatial analysis ability emerged on intelligence test performances of Jewish male subjects of Eastern European extraction. This style is somewhat different from that of the normative population. It is hypothesized that genetic factors making for differential development of the cerebral hemispheres in these subjects interact with subcultural emphasis on verbal skills to produce the evidenced differences.
    More details (and a number of references) there. Some examples.

    The white Jewish subjects ( N = 1236) had a mean visual-reasoning score of 46.00 and a verbal-knowledge score of 57.1, while the non-Jewish white subjects (N = 1051) had a visual-reasoning score of 51.8 and a verbal-knowledge score of 51.9. Jewish male subjects (N = 658) had a mean visual-reasoning of 53.06 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 61.22. The non-Jewish males ( N = 507) had a mean visual-reasoning of 58.22 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 54.19. These inter- and intra-group differences are statistically significant.

    The spatial factor under scrutiny in all the above studies may be defined as the ability to visualize two or three-dimensional figures when their orientation in a plane or space is altered (Hakstian & Cattell, 1974, p. 147). One of the most important characteristics of spatial items is that "they must be difficult or impossible to solve by verbal mediation" (Bock & Kolakowski, 1973, p. 3).
    There is some evidence that comparative superiority in spatial ability is sex-linked.
    Guilford (1967) found that males were very often superior to females in spatial orientation, spatial visualization, and mechanical aptitude. Maccoby and Jacklin (1974) also indicate that boys excel in spatial abilities. For this reason we have confined our hypothesis to male subjects only to avoid a possible confounding factor of sex-linked inferiority in spatial analysis ability.

    Bock and Vandenberg (1968) found that among the mental abilities studied, spatial ability showed the largest component of heritable variance.
    ...
    As pointed out by Goldberg and Meredith (1975), an expectation derived from the genetic hypothesis is that the trait should remain relatively constant in the population. This expectation was confirmed in a cross-sectional study of Jewish children, in which the performance IQ of the subjects remained constant while the verbal IQ was significantly higher on follow-up testing (Levinson, 1961). Although at the time we attributed these results to the effect of participating in a verbally oriented subculture, we would now ascribe at least part of the discrepancy evidenced to hereditary factors.

    It is hypothesized that the mechanism through which genetic factors produce their effect is the differential development of cerebral hemispheres. Many researchers have found that the right and left hemispheres of the brain are differentially implicated in various cognitive functions. Gazzaniga ( 1970), Guilford (1967), Lezak (1976), and Matarazzo ( 1972) have concluded that the right cerebral hemisphere is associated with figural functions and the left hemisphere with semantic abilities. Wittelson (1976) asserts thar in boys "the right hemisphere has the dominant role in processing nonlinguistic, spatial information by at least six years of age; in contrast, in girls the right hemisphere is not dominant by age 13" (p. 425).

    If our hypothesis is valid, other areas influenced by the right half of the brain should be comparatively weaker in the Jewish population. This has been found true with regard to perceptual abilities. A recent study (Adevai, Silverman, & McGough, 1970) compared the perceptual skills of 45
    male Jewish college freshmen with 140 male non-Jewish college freshmen, after all subjects had been equated for scores on the Scholastic Aptitude Test. The Jewish students did more poorly on a 10-test battery of perceptual skills.
    Interesting speculations.

    Levinson, B. & Block, Z. (1977) Goodenough-Harris drawings of Jewish children of Orthodox background. Psychological Reports 41,155–158.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24333-001

    I am not seeing full text for that, but here is the abstract.

    The Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale, Form L and the Goodenough-Harris Drawing Test were administered in a counterbalanced order to a random sample of 401 native born Jewish children (CA = 5.22 yr.) who were attending the kindergartens and primary grades of suburban day (Yeshiva) schools. These children were of high average intelligence. There were no statistically significant differences between their performance on the Man, Woman, and Self scales for either the boys or the girls. For a selected sample (N = 201) of preschool children, the performance on the Goodenough-Harris Man scale was significantly below the CA norms for both the boys and the girls.

    Perhaps not a coincidence that spatial ability is rather underrepresented in so many tests (e.g. SAT)?

    Some recent discussion of Jewish spatial ability at Andrew Gelman's blog. In particular note the James Watson quote in the second paragraph.
    https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/24/on-that-weird-stereotype-about-jews-being-bad-at-spatial-reasoning/

    Another interesting aspect of that is the comment where Jon Baron offers some additional references and is immediately (19 minutes, impressive) attacked by "Joshua" who leads off with "Oy."

    P.S. While browsing around for references for this comment I ran across an old comment referencing 1990 ETS data by religion and race by commenter FrankT.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2314374

    Since his link is now dead, here is an archive page. Search for Judaism to find the relevant part.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20181127023901/www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

    Another comment in that thread links an interesting spatial ability paper.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2315401

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Twinkie

    So the bottom line is that Jews shouldn’t be air traffic controllers? 😉

    •�Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jim Don Bob

    On the one hand, there's this wierd anecdote about Isaac Asimov not being able to ride a bicycle, but on the other hand Dennis Prager funded his visit to communist Romania by stunting on a skate board.
    It seems like the number and ability of Jewish air traffic controllers should be checkable.
  366. @Jim Don Bob
    @res

    So the bottom line is that Jews shouldn't be air traffic controllers? ;-)

    Replies: @J.Ross

    On the one hand, there’s this wierd anecdote about Isaac Asimov not being able to ride a bicycle, but on the other hand Dennis Prager funded his visit to communist Romania by stunting on a skate board.
    It seems like the number and ability of Jewish air traffic controllers should be checkable.

  367. @Jack D
    @Hibernian

    I have nothing against Koreans but Twinkie has a thing for Jews. Maybe he took his conversion to Christianity too seriously and adopted some kind of traditional Church "the Jews killed Jesus" type Christianity or something.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie

    There are times when your complete lack of thought before speaking really does precipitate an equally hylical reaction.

  368. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    It's really funny how you, who are normally skeptical when it comes to Leftist claims, suddenly sound like a card carrying Leftist when it comes to anything having to do with Jews or Israel.

    Let's see what comes of these Wikipedia claims. My guess is that there is less to this than appear. For example, is it possible that the Wikipedia article is copied from her rather than vice versa? Let's also see what Ackman's review of the entire MIT faculty reveals and we'll see if the Jewess is any more of a plaigiarist than her comrades.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s really funny how you, who are normally skeptical when it comes to Leftist claims, suddenly sound like a card carrying Leftist when it comes to anything having to do with Jews or Israel.

    Gee, that’s odd. When I cited Business Insider as one of the sources for Russia’s high casualties and other woes in the Russo-Ukrainian War, I don’t recall you denigrating it as “Leftist claims.” But it goes after a Jewish oligarch and his wife for their hypocrisy, suddenly it turns into a “card carrying Leftist” rag.

    Let’s see what comes of these Wikipedia claims. My guess is that there is less to this than appear.

    Why do Jews get the benefit of doubt over others from you?

    For example, is it possible that the Wikipedia article is copied from her rather than vice versa?

    Oh, the mental gymnastics and contortions! Did you even read the article?

    1. It cites – side by side – Oxman’s writings and the Wikipedia originals. The plagiarism is extremely obvious to anyone except those who put on their “Jews can’t do wrong” goggles.

    2. She was stupid enough to copy-and-paste not just texts, but an illustration too!

    Oxman never acknowledged having pulled from Wikipedia. She didn’t just lift text, either: She also took an illustration from the article for “Heat flux” without citing a source, despite requirements in the image’s Creative Commons license to credit where the picture came from. It’s not surprising that Oxman wouldn’t credit Wikipedia in her doctoral dissertation: While Wikipedia is generally accurate, anyone can edit it, so teachers regularly tell their students that they should not cite the website as an authority.

    3. Wikipedia didn’t copy from Oxman, she copied it from Wikipedia, because one of the authors of the Wikipedia entry wrote thusly:

    “It’s really a shame,” said Rick Norwood, a math professor at East Tennessee State University who contributed a revision to the Wikipedia article on manifolds that Oxman repeated in her dissertation. “I can’t imagine why anyone would do that, because anyone who knows even the rudiments of algebraic topology could come up with their own sentence.”

    4. And it’s not just Wikipedia:

    Wikipedia wasn’t the only resource she cited without attribution in the paper that earned her a doctorate. In a footnote, she used 54 consecutive words without attribution from the website of the design-software maker Rhino to explain what a “Non-Uniform Rational B-Spline” is. She also used technical language about tessellations that matched language from the website Wolfram MathWorld — which, again, she didn’t cite.

    She plagiarized both before and after she received her Ph.D. in 2010. Of three peer-reviewed papers reviewed by BI, two — 2007’s “Get Real: Towards Performance Driven Computational Geometry” and 2011’s “Variable Property Rapid Prototyping” — also contained plagiarism.

    The 2011 paper included more than 100 words exactly as they appeared in the 2005 book “Rapid Manufacturing: An Industrial Revolution for the Digital Age,” without quotation marks, citation, or a mention in Oxman’s bibliography. She pulled material from “Path planning of functionally graded material objects for layered manufacturing,” a 2004 paper by M.Y. Zhou, without mentioning it in her bibliography. And she included two verbatim sentences from the 1999 book “Functionally Graded Materials: Design, Processing and Applications” without quotation marks or an in-line citation, though the work is mentioned in her bibliography.

    The 2007 “Get Real” paper pulled language describing tensors — an algebraic concept that includes scalars and vectors — from an earlier-published work, the “CRC Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics.” In a 2010 paper, “Per Formative: Towards a Post Materialist Paradigm in Architecture,” that was not peer-reviewed, BI also found another instance of plagiarism, with Oxman using chunks of language from publisher Da Capo Press’ description of “The Modern Language of Architecture” by Bruno Zevi.

    So, because she’s Jewish and because she’s married to an inordinately rich Jew, what she did in no way compares to Gay’s plagiarism, right?

  369. @res
    @Twinkie



    Now let me guess – your M SAT/GRE was significantly higher than your verbal?
    Wrong – as I mentioned before, I scored 99 percentile on both quant and verbal on the SAT and the GRE.
    It is interesting how the percentile ranks for the subtests compare for the pre-1995 SAT (this all changed with the recentering when the verbal subtest was made much easier).

    From (best reference to the recentering):
    The Recentering of SAT® Scales and Its Effects on Score Distributions and Score Interpretations
    https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED563023.pdf

    Dorans includes 50 point bucket histograms for the 1990 reference group in Figure 1. The better reference for percentiles is Table 1 which shows 1/5/10/25/50/75/90/95/99 percentiles (they use the opposite convention from you, so top 1%) for each subtest (and gives male/female percentiles at those scores). The top 1% score was 690 for verbal and 750 for math. So in that era a 60 point difference was fairly "typical" (top 5% was 620 verbal and 690 math, top 10% was 570 verbal and 650 math).

    Figures 18-21 have 50 point bucket histograms by race for anyone interested.

    And Jewish intelligence is hardly “balanced” – it’s low in visuo-spatial IQ.
    Reference for that.
    Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence
    https://web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

    Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual ability profile as well as higher than average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores, while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat lower, by about one half a standard deviation, than the European average (Levinson, 1977; Levinson and Block, 1977). Han Eysenck (Eysenck, 1995) noted “The correlation between verbal and performance tests is about 0.77 in the general population, but only 0.31 among Jewish children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this size difference.” The Ashkenazi pattern of success is what one would expect from this ability distribution-great success in mathematics and literature, more typical results in representational painting, sculpture, and architecture
    Also see this.

    There is variation in the way different subtests contribute to IQ. Males, for example, usually outperform females on spatial and quantitative tasks while females do better on tasks related to language. There are also group differences: Ashkenazim do not show any marked advantage on spatial tasks while they excel at linguistic and arithmetic tasks. Northeast Asians have high spatial scores for a given overall IQ.
    It seems I failed to follow those Levinson references in the past so taking a look now.

    Levinson, B. (1977) Cognitive style of Eastern European Jewish males. Perceptual and Motor Skills 45, 279–283.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24707-001

    Full text available on SciHub.

    This became long and is OT so...


    Summary.-A distinctive cognitive style showing high verbal-low spatial analysis ability emerged on intelligence test performances of Jewish male subjects of Eastern European extraction. This style is somewhat different from that of the normative population. It is hypothesized that genetic factors making for differential development of the cerebral hemispheres in these subjects interact with subcultural emphasis on verbal skills to produce the evidenced differences.
    More details (and a number of references) there. Some examples.

    The white Jewish subjects ( N = 1236) had a mean visual-reasoning score of 46.00 and a verbal-knowledge score of 57.1, while the non-Jewish white subjects (N = 1051) had a visual-reasoning score of 51.8 and a verbal-knowledge score of 51.9. Jewish male subjects (N = 658) had a mean visual-reasoning of 53.06 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 61.22. The non-Jewish males ( N = 507) had a mean visual-reasoning of 58.22 and a mean verbal-knowledge of 54.19. These inter- and intra-group differences are statistically significant.

    The spatial factor under scrutiny in all the above studies may be defined as the ability to visualize two or three-dimensional figures when their orientation in a plane or space is altered (Hakstian & Cattell, 1974, p. 147). One of the most important characteristics of spatial items is that "they must be difficult or impossible to solve by verbal mediation" (Bock & Kolakowski, 1973, p. 3).
    There is some evidence that comparative superiority in spatial ability is sex-linked.
    Guilford (1967) found that males were very often superior to females in spatial orientation, spatial visualization, and mechanical aptitude. Maccoby and Jacklin (1974) also indicate that boys excel in spatial abilities. For this reason we have confined our hypothesis to male subjects only to avoid a possible confounding factor of sex-linked inferiority in spatial analysis ability.

    Bock and Vandenberg (1968) found that among the mental abilities studied, spatial ability showed the largest component of heritable variance.
    ...
    As pointed out by Goldberg and Meredith (1975), an expectation derived from the genetic hypothesis is that the trait should remain relatively constant in the population. This expectation was confirmed in a cross-sectional study of Jewish children, in which the performance IQ of the subjects remained constant while the verbal IQ was significantly higher on follow-up testing (Levinson, 1961). Although at the time we attributed these results to the effect of participating in a verbally oriented subculture, we would now ascribe at least part of the discrepancy evidenced to hereditary factors.

    It is hypothesized that the mechanism through which genetic factors produce their effect is the differential development of cerebral hemispheres. Many researchers have found that the right and left hemispheres of the brain are differentially implicated in various cognitive functions. Gazzaniga ( 1970), Guilford (1967), Lezak (1976), and Matarazzo ( 1972) have concluded that the right cerebral hemisphere is associated with figural functions and the left hemisphere with semantic abilities. Wittelson (1976) asserts thar in boys "the right hemisphere has the dominant role in processing nonlinguistic, spatial information by at least six years of age; in contrast, in girls the right hemisphere is not dominant by age 13" (p. 425).

    If our hypothesis is valid, other areas influenced by the right half of the brain should be comparatively weaker in the Jewish population. This has been found true with regard to perceptual abilities. A recent study (Adevai, Silverman, & McGough, 1970) compared the perceptual skills of 45
    male Jewish college freshmen with 140 male non-Jewish college freshmen, after all subjects had been equated for scores on the Scholastic Aptitude Test. The Jewish students did more poorly on a 10-test battery of perceptual skills.
    Interesting speculations.

    Levinson, B. & Block, Z. (1977) Goodenough-Harris drawings of Jewish children of Orthodox background. Psychological Reports 41,155–158.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-24333-001

    I am not seeing full text for that, but here is the abstract.

    The Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale, Form L and the Goodenough-Harris Drawing Test were administered in a counterbalanced order to a random sample of 401 native born Jewish children (CA = 5.22 yr.) who were attending the kindergartens and primary grades of suburban day (Yeshiva) schools. These children were of high average intelligence. There were no statistically significant differences between their performance on the Man, Woman, and Self scales for either the boys or the girls. For a selected sample (N = 201) of preschool children, the performance on the Goodenough-Harris Man scale was significantly below the CA norms for both the boys and the girls.

    Perhaps not a coincidence that spatial ability is rather underrepresented in so many tests (e.g. SAT)?

    Some recent discussion of Jewish spatial ability at Andrew Gelman's blog. In particular note the James Watson quote in the second paragraph.
    https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/24/on-that-weird-stereotype-about-jews-being-bad-at-spatial-reasoning/

    Another interesting aspect of that is the comment where Jon Baron offers some additional references and is immediately (19 minutes, impressive) attacked by "Joshua" who leads off with "Oy."

    P.S. While browsing around for references for this comment I ran across an old comment referencing 1990 ETS data by religion and race by commenter FrankT.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2314374

    Since his link is now dead, here is an archive page. Search for Judaism to find the relevant part.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20181127023901/www.arthurhu.com/99/12/cminor.txt

    Another comment in that thread links an interesting spatial ability paper.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2315401

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Twinkie

    The top 1% score was 690 for verbal and 750 for math. So in that era a 60 point difference was fairly “typical” (top 5% was 620 verbal and 690 math, top 10% was 570 verbal and 650 math).

    I scored close to 800 for each of the sections in both the SAT and the GRE (though my GRE verbal was higher than my SAT verbal – note that I took the SAT only a few years into learning English, so my SAT verbal score was depressed a little bit while, by the time I took the GRE, I was completely comfortable in English, so I scored nearly perfectly).

    I knew that 50-60 higher score for the quantitative section was the norm (or “balanced” to use Jack D’s phrase) among the high-scoring test takers (excepting Jews), but did not want to muddy the water by introducing that idea (you know Jack D will try to weasel into non sequiturs to obfuscate the original points).

    If anyone’s m/v/s components are balanced, it’s the non-Jewish Western European-descended people (in other words, whites). But that’s also probably because we are talking about America where such people are (or were) the majority, so their scores end up being the norm (or “balanced”). Globally, I don’t know what the average component mix would be.

    But, at least in the U.S., Asians score higher than whites in visuo-spatial reasoning and quantitative while lower than whites in verbal. Jews score higher in verbal, higher than other whites but lower than Asians in quantitative, and much lower on visuo-spatial.

    Perhaps not a coincidence that spatial ability is rather underrepresented in so many tests (e.g. SAT)?

    An intriguing suggestion! We do know, of course, that our society and economy increasingly favor and reward the verbalist rentier class, not people who can calculate, design, and make things. Hmmm, who’s in charge again? They wouldn’t be people who have high verbal ability, but low spatial ability, would they? Note, too, that visuo-spatial ability is generally a male trait while verbal is a female one.

    Maybe Jack D should have written that good Jewish hunters/shooters/archers are rarer than Vietnamese cornerbacks! Are there good Jewish cornerbacks, by the way? 😉

    •�Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  370. @Jack D
    @Hibernian

    I have nothing against Koreans but Twinkie has a thing for Jews. Maybe he took his conversion to Christianity too seriously and adopted some kind of traditional Church "the Jews killed Jesus" type Christianity or something.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie

    I have nothing against Koreans but Twinkie has a thing for Jews.

    Hibernian wrote nothing about Koreans, so why would you protest that you have “nothing against Koreans”?

    It’s like someone says, “Hey, stop arguing with the other guy!” And your response is, “I don’t hate the blacks! But that other guy hates Jews.”

    It’s pretty clear what was on your mind. You should look up “projection” on Wikipedia.

    Maybe he took his conversion to Christianity too seriously and adopted some kind of traditional Church “the Jews killed Jesus” type Christianity or something.

    Jesus was a Jew (of the House of David, no less) and I love him. Mary and St. Joseph were Jews and I love them too. Shall I go on?

    No, I only “have a thing” against shifty, dishonest, and unpatriotic Jews like you. Don’t worry, because I also hate non-Jews who are shifty, dishonest, and unpatriotic.

    Of course, “anti-Semitism” is the last refuge of Jewish scoundrels like you. On this very thread:

    1. You were exposed as pretending to have read a book you cited as if you were an authority. You couldn’t even quote the first page correctly.

    2. You were also exposed shilling for a Jewish oligarch and his plagiarist wife and acting as their apologist all the while denigrating someone else who engaged in a similar (in some ways less worse) plagiarism (I mean Wikipedia? A whole diagram? Really?).

    3. When called out for these shenanigans, your first resort was to call me “humorless” and then the last resort was your usual “you dirty anti-Semite!”

    You are just shameless. Again, I ask you – are you trying to fan the flames of anti-Semitism by living up to the negative stereotypes? These days, it’s said that the demand for “white supremacism” far exceeds its actual supply. Apparently the same goes for “anti-Semitism.”

    •�Agree: MGB
  371. https://glennloury.substack.com/p/the-exquisite-irony-of-claudine-gays

    The Exquisite Irony of Claudine Gay’s Downfall
    with John McWhorter

    GLENN LOURY
    JAN 9, 2024

  372. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Bbbbut the Harvard Magazine said in its September issue that Gay was a "scholar's scholar". Would they lie to us?

    Normally the search process for a Harvard president takes a year or more, but due to Gay's outstanding black excellence, Harvard was able to complete the search process in less than 6 months!

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2023/08/features-president-claudine-gay

    If you read the story, you find out that the quote comes from Bridget Terry Long:

    Bridget Terry Long, an economist who is past academic dean and now dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, regularly evaluates professors whose work is both academic and applicable to practice. She recently said Gay, whom she has known since before becoming dean in 2018, is “interested in research and discovery, but she also has interest in how that’s helping the world.” Combining the two, Long called her friend “the scholar’s scholar.”

    Bridget Terry Long:

    https://postsecondaryreadiness.org/capr2019/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/bridget-terry-long-portrait-600x400.jpg

    In the words of Claudine Gay:

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke

    If you read the story, you find out that the quote comes from Bridget Terry Long:

    Bridget Terry Long, an economist who is past academic dean and now dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, regularly evaluates professors whose work is both academic and applicable to practice. She recently said Gay, whom she has known since before becoming dean in 2018, is “interested in research and discovery, but she also has interest in how that’s helping the world.” Combining the two, Long called her friend “the scholar’s scholar.”

    Just classic. Probably birds of a feather.

  373. @MEH 0910
    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/1/4/pritzker-remains-senior-fellow/

    Rebuffing Calls to Resign, Penny Pritzker ’81 Will Stay in Top Harvard Corporation Post

    Harvard Corporation Senior Fellow Penny S. Pritzker ’81 will remain at the helm of the University’s highest governing body despite growing calls for her resignation by some prominent donors and alumni, a Harvard spokesperson said on Wednesday.

    Pritzker and the Corporation are under intense scrutiny after Claudine Gay announced her resignation as Harvard’s 30th president on Tuesday, with some critics asking how much responsibility for the University’s leadership crisis falls on the board.

    The public announcement of Pritzker’s intention to stay in the post indicates that she is intent on leading Harvard through its second presidential search in less than three years. As senior fellow, Pritzker is the person with the greatest influence over the selection of the University’s 31st president.

    Pritzker, a former U.S. commerce secretary under President Barack Obama, was elected to the Corporation in 2018 and assumed the position of senior fellow in 2022, just in time to lead the search that ulminated in Gay’s selection.

    The new search will give Pritzker a second chance to provide the University with long-term leadership continuity. Gay was widely expected to lead Harvard for the next decade or longer, but tenure ended unceremoniously even before the start of her second semester.

    Replies: @Jack D, @MEH 0910

    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4417804-to-win-the-war-with-russia-us-support-for-ukraines-economy-is-essential/

    To win the war with Russia, US support for Ukraine’s economy is essential

    BY PENNY PRITZKER, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR – 01/21/24

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