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So a couple of months back, the publisher and developer of the “Call of Duty” US military propaganda video game franchise Activision/Infinity Ward were pushing the Black Lives Matter like any other good Woke Capitalist.
But it seems the children have now had their fun, and – as in the UK, where the authorities suddenly went cold on BLM the moment they started questioning when they started becoming too intersectional with Palestinians and the like – they are now being quietly put out to grass by their former corporate champions, with their matchmaking platforms now reportedly censoring mentions of BLM and ACAB (All Cops are Bastards).
> tfw you outlive your usefulness
Now they have gone into outright Red-baiting mode, airing the famous interview with failed Soviet journalist Yuri Bezmenov and idol of the American conservative right in the trailer to the next Call of Duty game.
“Know your history, or be doomed to repeat it,” proclaims IGN, provoking a furious war between Chapos and chuds in the comments.
Well, it is useful to know history.
For instance, the fact that Based Bezmenov’s main beef with the Soviet was that it was “racist” and wouldn’t let him race mix with Indians:
I did not want to marry a fat, white Russian girl. I wanted to marry a slender, dark Indian girl.
I wish I could explain it to your freedom fighters in the United States, who blame America for being racist. It is my country, under Soviet socialism, which is the most racist system in the world. By law in USSR, I was not allowed to marry a foreign girl, and–Marx forbid!–to make love to her, because the Communist Party has control on my genes and chromosomes. I was not allowed to marry into an ‘inferior race,’ and this is something that I have desperately tried to explain to your civil rights activists who blame America.
He was also a fraud who was never actually part of the KGB and who was let go from a range of Western intelligence and journalistic jobs. In other words, the perfect representative of Cuckservatism Inc.
And, come to think of it, also the perfect champion of neoliberalism.txt in the West, synthesizing as he does the following narratives:
- It’s the Russians who are the real racists!
- Americans did nothing wrong.
- Any suggestions to the contrary are Russian active measures and dezinformatsiya!
And, most importantly, the IQ chuds and Magats who constitute the Trump base can be relied upon to lap all this up, in a way that they wouldn’t coming from Rachel Maddow or even the senile neocon boomers at the Lincoln Project.
Dysfunctional or not as American society as a whole might be, but its propaganda apparatus still has game, it needs to be acknowledged.
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Everyone has his reasons for shunning the Soviet Union, even you Anatoly. My question is, was Bezmenov’s complaint about not being able to pursue his Indian lovemate legitimate?
Mr. Karlin’s witty post seems rather about the Anglosphere’s present than about the Soviet past.
Well, he seems to unite both eras quite well, and then focuses on Bezmenov’s original complaint within his “witty” observation. A clarification of the validity of Bezmenov’s original complaint then seems quite in order?…
Refusing his request to sanction a mail order Subcontinental bride ranks up there with banning Fortnite for all time government atrocities, who cares? He even himself characterised it as a selfish whim "I wanted an exotic novelty, not a fat broad!" He didn't even use the facile trope of the repressive government getting in the way of his "One True Love!"
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Capitalist pigs.
It’s amusing how they’re going to the Anti-Communist well of our dearly departed defector Bezmenov, because his ancient clips managed to go viral, to push the Anti-Russia memes. The bitter truth is that Bezmenov > Bondarchuk.
Waterloo is a masterpiece. I think I have watched it more times than any other film.
Mátyás Rákosi married a Russified Yakutian woman during his years in the USSR.
If Bezmenov was so against marrying a “fat white woman” he should have just asked his bosses to get him an Central Asian lady.
Obviously, given the times and his work he was not free to marry whomever, but free marriage is a very modern concept and an aberration from a historical perspective.
I saw a photo of Georgi Dimitrov with, among others, a young woman with Asiatic features. Apparently she was Chinese and one of his adopted children.Replies: @Hyperborean
Stalin’s daughter eloped with a Brahmin cuck & this led to the USSR supporting the attack on Sikh few decade later।।
I realise there’s that Babushka-bomb thingy going on with a lot of Russian women, but not all of them. He just had Curry Fever.
I am deeply embarrassed to admit I fell for this clown’s act back in the day. There are still many reasons to shun Communism but the morality play we were sold in America leaves me deeply resentful as well – at those like Bezemenov who peddled this grift to the West.
Bezmenov was probably lying.
I saw a photo of Georgi Dimitrov with, among others, a young woman with Asiatic features. Apparently she was Chinese and one of his adopted children.
Compared to Americans, that’s obviously true.
Imposed less suffering, which is also obviously true.
No, the implication is that Russian state actors do like to state the case against the two practical truisms above.
And your insults to those on the right that you’ve decided you’re better than, demonstrates a pretty narcissistically nasty side. Do you really feel true while denigrating people like that?
I saw a photo of Georgi Dimitrov with, among others, a young woman with Asiatic features. Apparently she was Chinese and one of his adopted children.Replies: @Hyperborean
He may have been, I don’t know enough about the specifics of the rules then to tell (and based on his life afterwards he probably defected due to his general ethos rather than due to a particular issue) but I don’t think Bezmenov and Dimitrov’s circumstances are that similar (an adopted child vs a wife meant to tie workers down/prevent them from going native – so I don’t think we can conclude that Bezmenov lied because of Dimitrov’s situation.
If he was really forbidden to marry his Indian sweetheart, it was because of security issues, because she was seen as possible CIA agent.If Bezmenov was really so obssessed with Indian girls, he could easily find Indian looking citizen of Soviet Union and there would be no problems. USSR had people of all races, even few blacks in Abkhazia, and "interracial" marriages were never banned or discouraged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazians_of_African_descentReplies: @Hyperborean
And your insults to those on the right that you've decided you're better than, demonstrates a pretty narcissistically nasty side. Do you really feel true while denigrating people like that?Replies: @mal
To be fair, if Russia nuked Warsaw in the 1950’s for technology demonstration purposes (similar to what US did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki), saturation bombed Eastern Europe with napalm and Agent Orange (because capitalism domino theory eventually became true), and ethnic cleansed all the natives properly (say, you are a Ukrainian from Lvov? Here is your tent, a bottle of scotch, and a casino, now get out of here), Russia would have a lot less problems today.
Less complaining about Russia too.
Makes perfect sense at we'll look down on Americans/hate on America to boost our own misplaced and fragile ego row.Russia would have fewer problems had they not embraced communism, in particular, Stalinism.
"But it was the Lithuanians and the Jews". Yeah, sure, the Lithuaians and the Jews conquered Russia and imposed an ideology against the general volition of the people through force of arms and military valour 🤔
😂
See I can do dumbass internet sarcasm too!Replies: @mal
It is 100% certain that Bezmenov lied.
If he was really forbidden to marry his Indian sweetheart, it was because of security issues, because she was seen as possible CIA agent.
If Bezmenov was really so obssessed with Indian girls, he could easily find Indian looking citizen of Soviet Union and there would be no problems. USSR had people of all races, even few blacks in Abkhazia, and “interracial” marriages were never banned or discouraged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazians_of_African_descent
Complying with the norms within the ranks your family’s societal status is certainly a less odious practice than having your marriage prospects directed by some unknown bureaucrat sitting within a dark and unpropitious office building. Besides, I thought that Marxism/Communism was to remove the barriers of national prejudices?
I’m not convinced that he wasn’t a homo. (And pedophile)
Routinely get conservative friends sending me links to Bezmenov (or as I like to call him без-manhood) youtube also promotes him heavily if you classify as a conservative. Conservatards are drawn to the Soviet dissident for tiresome reasons. There’s little connection between the Soviet Union’s socialism (focused on industrial, technical and artistic accomplishment) and the Anglosphere’s Oligarch-controlled fake antiwhite Bioleninism. American conservatives are just really dull, unimaginative козы, and lap this retarded distraction up. If only our fate were to become the Soviet Union, instead of something like a gay, higher income South Africa/China hybrid.
Bezmenov might be the only man in history who wanted a dark, skinny-fat, sideburn-sporting she-Indian over a Russianess. What a weird guy.
If he was really forbidden to marry his Indian sweetheart, it was because of security issues, because she was seen as possible CIA agent.If Bezmenov was really so obssessed with Indian girls, he could easily find Indian looking citizen of Soviet Union and there would be no problems. USSR had people of all races, even few blacks in Abkhazia, and "interracial" marriages were never banned or discouraged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazians_of_African_descentReplies: @Hyperborean
I should have clarified, that he was lying about race prejudice is certain, but that he had to “limit” himself to Soviet citizens I find believable (though not necessarily true, since, again, I don’t know the specifics of his occupation and the times).
You can tell that this guy was a phony by his name – which correctly spelled should be Bezimenov – which of course means “Without a name”.
Based on what he stood for, it seems right that he didn’t deserve to have a name.
Maybe his trip to India has been inspired by the infatuation with India by The Beatles, and even they realized what a phonies the Indians and their “spirituality” can really be.
They even wrote a song about it: “Sexy Sadie” in which they unmasked the phony guru Yogi, who wanted to transcendent Mia Farrow in the sack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_Sadie
Odd that OP's linked Twitter thread would leave out this detail; if this is true, then presumably the "Bezmenov" family mentioned did not actually exist, and the ID documents shown are phony, and so on.Replies: @Cyrano
Think of it this way: would you let American government assets who spend long time periods in Russia/Iran/Cuba/China/Venezuela marry local citizens?
It would be really funny if some hacker broke into their servers and forced a patch using deepfake so that he made much the same speech but ended it by asking the J question.
Central Asian women probably weren’t dark enough for him, though.
I wish that they made just one of these games, set in the future, where the bad guys were Nigerians in 2100 (with a pop of 750 million), who believed in Manifest Destiny.
I have no problem with two consenting adults marrying each other, no matter their race, creed or ethnicity. If an “asset” from a different country is breaking any laws in the host country, that individual should be prosecuted and punished for any crimes committed. The two do not abrogate one another.
Based on what he stood for, it seems right that he didn’t deserve to have a name.
Maybe his trip to India has been inspired by the infatuation with India by The Beatles, and even they realized what a phonies the Indians and their “spirituality” can really be.
They even wrote a song about it: “Sexy Sadie” in which they unmasked the phony guru Yogi, who wanted to transcendent Mia Farrow in the sack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_SadieReplies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Haruto Rat
Can someone confirm this? Google Translate is giving me “bez imeni”.
Odd that OP’s linked Twitter thread would leave out this detail; if this is true, then presumably the “Bezmenov” family mentioned did not actually exist, and the ID documents shown are phony, and so on.
Based on what he stood for, it seems right that he didn’t deserve to have a name.
Maybe his trip to India has been inspired by the infatuation with India by The Beatles, and even they realized what a phonies the Indians and their “spirituality” can really be.
They even wrote a song about it: “Sexy Sadie” in which they unmasked the phony guru Yogi, who wanted to transcendent Mia Farrow in the sack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_SadieReplies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Haruto Rat
It’s from безмен, an old word for Roman balance.
Yes, it was like showing off a new product at a tech expo and had nothing to do with the culmination of the greatest war in human history 🤦🏼♂️
The Republic of Vietnam was a country recognised by 87 other nations. Defending it may have been foolhardy but, again, your internet alternative snark lacks context.
Somehow, before people even knew what caused disease, we can hold people responsible for highly contagious diseases being highly contagious.
Makes perfect sense at we’ll look down on Americans/hate on America to boost our own misplaced and fragile ego row.
Russia would have fewer problems had they not embraced communism, in particular, Stalinism.
“But it was the Lithuanians and the Jews”. Yeah, sure, the Lithuaians and the Jews conquered Russia and imposed an ideology against the general volition of the people through force of arms and military valour 🤔
😂
See I can do dumbass internet sarcasm too!
Odd that OP's linked Twitter thread would leave out this detail; if this is true, then presumably the "Bezmenov" family mentioned did not actually exist, and the ID documents shown are phony, and so on.Replies: @Cyrano
My apologies, it looks like I screwed up this one. It’s just that Bezmenov and Bezimenov are awfully close, so I thought that they changed the spelling to make their last name appear more agreeable.
Sad to see so many otherwise intelligent people fall for this paid disinfo shill’s act.
I’d say my favorite movie was War and Peace, nothing really compares with it.
Either cucks or blind idiots who want to be “hip”; a perfect encapsulation of American society.
In particular, Noah and Obama are good examples of why misceginating single mothers should be exiled.Replies: @utu, @AltanBakshi
FWIW, the videos I’d seen, he claimed he defected because he was appalled at USSR fomenting of revolution in Kashmir. Possibly he said different things depending on who was listening, or who was paying.
My question re: Bezmenov: is it necessary for him to be what he said he was? He’s like Q: sure, it’s a load of old bollocks, and maybe none of the particulars check out. But it’s not actually wrong, is it?
What I mean is, the brainwashing/propaganda process he described, at least in the video that I saw, seemed to be right on the money. Even if his timeline was wrong; even if the actions he ascribed to the KGB were more properly the actions of an independently motivated pinko class within the USA; even if he was overegging the pudding to squeeze money out of the John Birchers, or whoever it was; and even if he was a total fraud: is it not correct to say that the US has been, in his terminology, “demoralised”? Is that not a useful idea to float?
Hopefully it will still get an airing now that he’s been co-opted by the Russiagate crowd.
My question re: Bezmenov: is it necessary for him to be what he said he was? He's like Q: sure, it's a load of old bollocks, and maybe none of the particulars check out. But it's not actually wrong, is it?
What I mean is, the brainwashing/propaganda process he described, at least in the video that I saw, seemed to be right on the money. Even if his timeline was wrong; even if the actions he ascribed to the KGB were more properly the actions of an independently motivated pinko class within the USA; even if he was overegging the pudding to squeeze money out of the John Birchers, or whoever it was; and even if he was a total fraud: is it not correct to say that the US has been, in his terminology, "demoralised"? Is that not a useful idea to float?
Hopefully it will still get an airing now that he's been co-opted by the Russiagate crowd.Replies: @Epigon
Now do the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
The point stands, more broadly, for all fantastical claims of dubious provenance, religious texts, myths, even outright fiction: we don't need things to be real to draw lessons from them.
Imagine if we restricted ourselves to only learning from that which we could verify to be true! We would, ironically, have to ignore OP's claim that Bezmenov is "a fraud", since his source is a Twitter thread full of (a) unsourced claims, (b) claims directly contradicted by sources, (c) claims that are neither proven nor disproven by sources - and all collated by (d) a guy who apparently thinks that Middle Earth is real.
(inb4 "Ah so u tHinK BeMENZTOB is TOTALLY LEGIT then!??!?" - no, see earlier comment)
Makes perfect sense at we'll look down on Americans/hate on America to boost our own misplaced and fragile ego row.Russia would have fewer problems had they not embraced communism, in particular, Stalinism.
"But it was the Lithuanians and the Jews". Yeah, sure, the Lithuaians and the Jews conquered Russia and imposed an ideology against the general volition of the people through force of arms and military valour 🤔
😂
See I can do dumbass internet sarcasm too!Replies: @mal
The war was over by then, the weapons had no impact on that. It literally was about showing off a product at a tech expo.
Eastern European counties were also internationally recognized counties, therefore, at any hint of pro- capitalist movement, it’s napalm and Agent Orange for them. At the very least, it would have reduced the amount of people complaining about USSR and Russia. Defending your puppets, if its good for US, surely same applies to USSR.
It was disease that forces Native Americans off their lands and into crummy reservations? Fairly sure it was US cavalry. Maybe BLM movement will remedy this though and cleanse the lands to return it to Cherokee or whatever.
That’s true, but.. Stalin wasn’t Russian.
Not Lithuanians, Latvians. Latvian Red Rifles, to be specific. You would be amazed by what can be accomplished by small dedicated minority against relatively passive majority. Again, see BLM movement in US.
I agree.
That said, I do increasingly agree that such points should only be made in purely historical discussions, not ideological ones with the demented neocon scum who insist on popping up here.Replies: @GazaPlanet, @Not Only Wrathful
He may have destroyed BLM…verbally…but not physically and not in reality.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ben-shapiro-destroys-liberals
Go do some voting, stupid. Democracy depends on you.
The self declared ‘progressive’ sorts ate pulling out all the stops attempting to gin up a Cold War 2.0 between the US and Russia. This example you provided does double duty in psyching people up for a Russian style Civil War in the United States, another one of their projects.
Yes, exactly.
But with all the ‘autonomous zones’ being the prog thing of late, they should rather study the original 1970’s Euro progressive led Blackcentric, autonomous zone, JAZ (Jonestown Autonomous Zone) constructed in Guyana and it’s ultimate fate.
And heed the wise message on the placard that Jones ordered placed above his throne as an ironic, and perhaps somewhat unintentional, warning to future generations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
It is a referential joke:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ben-shapiro-destroys-liberals
Any man who opines in favor of equatorial women, while insulting the women of his own ethnic group should not be looked at as being trustworthy, on a national level.
https://twitter.com/CIA/status/1276598343632912384
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1276615977908789248Replies: @songbird
Trevor Noah is just one of the class of mulattoes and pardos in the U.S., like Colin Powell, Susan and Condi Rice, and Barack Obama, who would lose a substantial amount of power and influence, if they were called by their true name, rather than called blacks.
In particular, Noah and Obama are good examples of why misceginating single mothers should be exiled.
American Spam > Five Year Plan.
Dropping nukes on Japan was pretty legitimate, it had a functioning military on the home islands, and Americans were not obligated to sacrifice 100,000’s of their soldiers’ lives. It would also have probably resulted in much higher eventual Japanese casualties.
That said, I do increasingly agree that such points should only be made in purely historical discussions, not ideological ones with the demented neocon scum who insist on popping up here.
That said, I do increasingly agree that such points should only be made in purely historical discussions, not ideological ones with the demented neocon scum who insist on popping up here.Replies: @GazaPlanet, @Not Only Wrathful
Legitimate to achieve what end? My view is that after “nuked” the nips, they could back-slide on their terms and permit the Showa to continue his reign. The atomic attacks were senseless atrocities that achieved no worthy objective.
A lot of people here seem to forget that the soviet union was around for a long time. The initial bolshivism really was a nightmare. They had looting of resources, destruction of churches, deathsquads, etc.
Over time it turned from somethint really crazy into something oppressive but stable.
It is conceivable to me that bezmenov really did understand how communism spreads and how horrible it can be.
If you asked an american dissident to talk about democracy they could probably tell you something just as bad as what bezmenov revealed. He would tell you about human rights ngos and peaceful protests and color revolutions. Then after democracy gets installed you are left with homomania, negro worship, race replacement, drug addiction, crime that is not prosecuted, and corruption on par with africa.
I dont buy 100 percent that bezmenov was a simple grifter because was a marginal character that only got a small amount of recognition from the john birtch society that was focused on pushing skepticism of communism without talking about jews.
How much can you really make from a few appearances with the john birtch society?
Perhaps. What exactly was his issue with Russian women?
You jest, but the point probably still stands: Jews don’t secretly control your country, but your government does, and their methods are probably very similar to what’s in that book. (I wouldn’t know, I haven’t read it.)
The point stands, more broadly, for all fantastical claims of dubious provenance, religious texts, myths, even outright fiction: we don’t need things to be real to draw lessons from them.
Imagine if we restricted ourselves to only learning from that which we could verify to be true! We would, ironically, have to ignore OP’s claim that Bezmenov is “a fraud”, since his source is a Twitter thread full of (a) unsourced claims, (b) claims directly contradicted by sources, (c) claims that are neither proven nor disproven by sources – and all collated by (d) a guy who apparently thinks that Middle Earth is real.
(inb4 “Ah so u tHinK BeMENZTOB is TOTALLY LEGIT then!??!?” – no, see earlier comment)
In particular, Noah and Obama are good examples of why misceginating single mothers should be exiled.Replies: @utu, @AltanBakshi
” if they were called by their true name, rather than called blacks” – that comes from American invention of single drop of blood. Whites could have had allies among some blacks if not for that invention.
Trevor Noah’s mother is black.
I'm not for a loose definition of who is white. But I am for causing fissures among blacks and partos. This does not require a loose definition, but the use of other terms. Inoffensive terms rejected by progs, not by principled racists.
I know Noah's mother is black - perhaps that formula was more common in Apartheid South Africa. Still, she and Noah should have been deported to the Congo, as well as the "father." Even if blacks problems are not really caused by not having a father in the home, bastardy is probably inherently dysgenic, and should not be encouraged on that level.Replies: @utu
In particular, Noah and Obama are good examples of why misceginating single mothers should be exiled.Replies: @utu, @AltanBakshi
For me the election of Obama was a proof of the complete death of classical/traditional European values among the masses, a literal negro bastard in the highest position of the west. Yes there were and still are right wingers who dont like his racial backroung, but it seems that for everybody his bastardy was not a problem. Literally no one even spoke about it. A true sign of our times. Some older members of the liberal establishment must have noticed the lack of talk on that issue and felt a great sense of joy, for their “progress” has truly become hegemonic or paramount in our era.
More like a somewhat rather than completely analogous situation, and I was thinking more of Rakosi and his Yakut wife.
The same disintegration of millenium old morality can be seen in the UK. Boris Johnson’s string of bastards and deceived wives and mistresses is completely ignored. It is a triumph of socialist morality.
That said, I do increasingly agree that such points should only be made in purely historical discussions, not ideological ones with the demented neocon scum who insist on popping up here.Replies: @GazaPlanet, @Not Only Wrathful
It seems that you’re in full-blown anima possession. Hopefully it doesn’t last long
Was Charles II a “triumph of socialist morality”?
But yes there is some hypocrisy in it...
Still I dont see much wrong in King having multiple wives, it will ensure a larger pool of suitable candidates for kingship and bring stability for the kingdom. Although its admirable that Christianity tried to enforce the same standards of morality for everyone, no matter what position one occupied, but its not very pragmatic. At least the Christian model of succession was not as horrific and monstrous as the model often employed by Muslims and especially by the Ottomans. Where the successful claimant to the throne will kill all his brothers and often their children too. Where all thousands of concubines and eunuchs are constantly occupied with intrigue plots and assasinations, so that their son or preferred candidate will be the next Padishah of the Empire. I have never watched those Turkish historical dramas, that are so popular nowadays in the Middle East, but I have heard that the Byzantines are always shown to be corrupt and degenerate in those shows, compared to the gallant and pious Ottomans. How ironic!Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
But yes there is some hypocrisy in it…
Still I dont see much wrong in King having multiple wives, it will ensure a larger pool of suitable candidates for kingship and bring stability for the kingdom. Although its admirable that Christianity tried to enforce the same standards of morality for everyone, no matter what position one occupied, but its not very pragmatic. At least the Christian model of succession was not as horrific and monstrous as the model often employed by Muslims and especially by the Ottomans. Where the successful claimant to the throne will kill all his brothers and often their children too. Where all thousands of concubines and eunuchs are constantly occupied with intrigue plots and assasinations, so that their son or preferred candidate will be the next Padishah of the Empire. I have never watched those Turkish historical dramas, that are so popular nowadays in the Middle East, but I have heard that the Byzantines are always shown to be corrupt and degenerate in those shows, compared to the gallant and pious Ottomans. How ironic!
If anything, socialism is about joyless intolerance and the fanatic's hatred of complexity and freedom.
Sure, some socialists, at some points, have argued against prevailing moral attitudes as regards sex, but only in order to impose their own, even more pristine, ones.
“it seems that for everybody his bastardy was not a problem”
I knew the British working class was heading South and that Thatcher had been utterly beaten in the culture wars when fans stopped singing “Who’s your father, referee?” at soccer matches. Probably mid-late 80s.
One probable reason why they stopped was that by that time the welfare-funded Brit underclass was expanding and an increasing proportion of the fans would themselves be bastards – not true in the 70s or before.
It’s also a harsh critique of more mainstream politicians that people are desperate for their increasing immiseration to stop, and Trump and Johnson were the only candidates offering hope.
It may be ever thus – IIRC the best and fiercest guerrillas in WW2 Crete were spivs and criminals in civilian life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KlephtReplies: @Agathoklis
I think it is pretty shocking that nobody knows exactly how many children Boris has. Perhaps, it was true of other men, but none of them would have been as cavalier about it – they would have at least lied, rather than dodge the question.
Thats just part of the Post-Ottoman Balkan culture, although Greeks would probably deny that they their culture was very connected to the Balkans. Old Greece was full of bandits and brigands of Albanian, Aromanian, Slav or Greek origin, who would reside on the mountains and hills and be part shepherd, part thief and part freedom fighters.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klepht
Chile has a loose definition of who is white. Do you know what the illegitimacy rate is? IIRC, 78%. Latin America is fucked. It has the highest illegitimacy rate of any region in the world.
I’m not for a loose definition of who is white. But I am for causing fissures among blacks and partos. This does not require a loose definition, but the use of other terms. Inoffensive terms rejected by progs, not by principled racists.
I know Noah’s mother is black – perhaps that formula was more common in Apartheid South Africa. Still, she and Noah should have been deported to the Congo, as well as the “father.” Even if blacks problems are not really caused by not having a father in the home, bastardy is probably inherently dysgenic, and should not be encouraged on that level.
"I’m not for a loose definition of who is white." - One drop of blood rule lead to creating anti-white population while having gradation of mixtures like in Brazil creates non binary spectrum where some non-white segments are not necessarily anti-white because of the lack of the single drop of blood rule.
" she and Noah should have been deported to the Congo, as well as the “father.” " - Sounds like spouted by a yahoo who haven't thought things through because he knows that his thoughts and words are inconsequential anyway.Replies: @songbird
It used to be a funny joke in old movies, where some politician would be giving a speech, and someone would pay a little black boy to work his way through the crowd and say “dada” or something. I guess Hollywood has changed a great deal for the worse.
Fundamentally, I think progs can’t accept bastardy as a problem because they don’t believe in dysgenics.
I dont mean that bastardy should be an unsurmountable obstacle in ones life, but still never should the king be a bastard, for it often suggests that her mother has moral shortcomings, which could have affected the upbringing of her offspring, also presidents like kings are the symbols of the nation. What kind of message that sends to the womenfolk? Be loose and it does not affect the success of your children.
As always we lack of the Aristotelian Golden mean or Buddha’s middle path, in old times bastardy was a huge sign of shame and great source of misfortune for illegitimate children, a bit too much in my opinion, but now society believes in other extreme, that it doesn’t matter at all. Same thing has occured with societys treatment of lgbt people, or pandikas like they are called in the Buddhist texts. Although Christianity is historically probably the most friendly or accepting religion towards homosexuals.
Some things don’t change. A fan foolishly had it announced over the tannoy that his girl friend had accepted his marriage proposal, and thousands of fans roared “Does she take it up the arse?”
Although not with a black woman, Grover Cleveland had an illegitimate child, and his election opponents used it. “Ma, Ma, where’s Pa?” He won the election and his supporters added “Gone to the White House ha ha ha!”
Mass unemployment took off under Thatcher, and was pretty devastating to families. If Thatcher believed in the family, her policies said otherwise.
But so did mass bastardy, benefit-funded. She lost her culture wars, or her misters lost them for her.
He may have been jilted. To me, his use of the phrase “fat, white Russian woman” suggests xenophilia. I also think it is possible that he was gay. Back then, it was easy to buy that kind of thing in India. Call me a prude, but I put off by his picture with naked boys at the beach.
But yes there is some hypocrisy in it...
Still I dont see much wrong in King having multiple wives, it will ensure a larger pool of suitable candidates for kingship and bring stability for the kingdom. Although its admirable that Christianity tried to enforce the same standards of morality for everyone, no matter what position one occupied, but its not very pragmatic. At least the Christian model of succession was not as horrific and monstrous as the model often employed by Muslims and especially by the Ottomans. Where the successful claimant to the throne will kill all his brothers and often their children too. Where all thousands of concubines and eunuchs are constantly occupied with intrigue plots and assasinations, so that their son or preferred candidate will be the next Padishah of the Empire. I have never watched those Turkish historical dramas, that are so popular nowadays in the Middle East, but I have heard that the Byzantines are always shown to be corrupt and degenerate in those shows, compared to the gallant and pious Ottomans. How ironic!Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
My point was just to note that not everything the OP morally disapproves of is “socialism”. Certainly not the practice of having mistresses.
If anything, socialism is about joyless intolerance and the fanatic’s hatred of complexity and freedom.
Sure, some socialists, at some points, have argued against prevailing moral attitudes as regards sex, but only in order to impose their own, even more pristine, ones.
French. He spent a lot of his time during The Commonwealth in the French court. The morals must have rubbed off on him.
I'm not for a loose definition of who is white. But I am for causing fissures among blacks and partos. This does not require a loose definition, but the use of other terms. Inoffensive terms rejected by progs, not by principled racists.
I know Noah's mother is black - perhaps that formula was more common in Apartheid South Africa. Still, she and Noah should have been deported to the Congo, as well as the "father." Even if blacks problems are not really caused by not having a father in the home, bastardy is probably inherently dysgenic, and should not be encouraged on that level.Replies: @utu
“Do you know what the illegitimacy rate is? IIRC, 78%. Latin America is fucked.” – This is because of low divorce rate. Many children are born to couples who are reluctant to get married but among which many will eventually get married. Chile has 3% of divorce rate while Russia has 51% divorce rate. So what is a bigger problem: children born to unmarried but functioning couples or children abandoned by one of the parent because of easy divorce?
“I’m not for a loose definition of who is white.” – One drop of blood rule lead to creating anti-white population while having gradation of mixtures like in Brazil creates non binary spectrum where some non-white segments are not necessarily anti-white because of the lack of the single drop of blood rule.
” she and Noah should have been deported to the Congo, as well as the “father.” ” – Sounds like spouted by a yahoo who haven’t thought things through because he knows that his thoughts and words are inconsequential anyway.
FYI, "One drop rule" is just black pablum. Many words were in use to describe black gradations in the US, mulatto, even octoroon. They are words progs don't like, not racists. Next you'll be saying that Europeans invented "chattel slavery."Replies: @utu
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KlephtReplies: @Agathoklis
Most of the most prominent Klephts were of Greek ethnic origin. They could not have been of Aromanian or Slavic origin as Klephtouria (the culture of the Klephts) was primarily concentrated in the Peloponnese where there were few Aromanians and Slav-speakers. Regarding Albanians, perhaps you are referring to the Arvanites of Souli. The origins of the Arvanites is obscure but they were definitely Orthodox and bilingual on the eve of the Revolution. They were also very strong supporters of Greek liberty. The Souliotes were not considered Klephts and their home was in Epiros not the Peloponnese.
Okay maybe only Greeks were klepths, but you cant deny that there was somewhat similar culture of mountain bandits/brigands all over the Balkans, especially in Epirus, which had lots of Albanians, like Ali Pasha and those Souli.
“mass unemployment took off under Thatcher”
But so did mass bastardy, benefit-funded. She lost her culture wars, or her misters lost them for her.
"I’m not for a loose definition of who is white." - One drop of blood rule lead to creating anti-white population while having gradation of mixtures like in Brazil creates non binary spectrum where some non-white segments are not necessarily anti-white because of the lack of the single drop of blood rule.
" she and Noah should have been deported to the Congo, as well as the “father.” " - Sounds like spouted by a yahoo who haven't thought things through because he knows that his thoughts and words are inconsequential anyway.Replies: @songbird
Poor utu – always seeking a black alliance against Jews and always burned, and pretending it is because whites need to try harder. I suppose you think Noah was an ally of whites in South Africa – you think that was why they hired him? Did you know his mother converted to Juadaism? But I guess you would still embrace her as an ally against Schlovo.
FYI, “One drop rule” is just black pablum. Many words were in use to describe black gradations in the US, mulatto, even octoroon. They are words progs don’t like, not racists. Next you’ll be saying that Europeans invented “chattel slavery.”
“Naked boys at the beach”? Karlin forgot to include that pix. That’s Okay, I’ll take your word for it. 🙂
David Hockney, one of my favorite visual artists of the late 20th century, a homosexual, liked to occasionally dabble in this sort of fare. Now before you go off on me, you wouldn’t go nuts deploring Tchaikovsky’s music, also a known homosexual?
I wonder what percentage of defectors were gay. There were probably efforts to filter them from foreign stays, due to the threat of blackmail, but otherwise I would expect they'd be overrepresented, since the West was much more lax, as a society, in that regard.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Jaakko Raipala
Sure
My point though was that ideologies range wider than “socialism” and Cromwellian Puritanism
That’s interesting – I didn’t know about Tchaikovsky. And he had a gay brother and I believe also a gay nephew. Makes me think a bit of Baryshnikov, since he danced to the music.
I wonder what percentage of defectors were gay. There were probably efforts to filter them from foreign stays, due to the threat of blackmail, but otherwise I would expect they’d be overrepresented, since the West was much more lax, as a society, in that regard.
I wonder what percentage of defectors were gay. There were probably efforts to filter them from foreign stays, due to the threat of blackmail, but otherwise I would expect they'd be overrepresented, since the West was much more lax, as a society, in that regard.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Jaakko Raipala
I’m sure that there were some, but generally homosexuals don’t comprise more that 1% of the general population, so I don’t think that they were much overrepresented in those that defected…
In the nineties, when more and more former ex-Soviet citizens were applying for US citizenship or green card status, a lot were claiming that they were Jewish and had experienced discrimination back home (even if they weren’t and hadn’t). US immigration personnel were starting to hear too many of the same old stories from too many applicants and were becoming less and less sympathetic to their pleas for asylum. Some, decided to change their stories and claim that they were gay, hoping that their requests would be given a more sympathetic hearing. I have no idea what new stories and identities are being used today?…
I also wondered whether our society is so corrupt that gays could be grooming people from the third world, in exchange for help immigrating.
I wonder what percentage of defectors were gay. There were probably efforts to filter them from foreign stays, due to the threat of blackmail, but otherwise I would expect they'd be overrepresented, since the West was much more lax, as a society, in that regard.Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Jaakko Raipala
Homosexuals were also much more likely to be estranged from their families. The big limit to defection is the unwillingness of most people to leave their relatives behind and potentially never talk to them again.
If anything, Boris Johnson is fulfilling the millennium-old moral traditions of the British. Before he was the Conqueror, William was the Bastard. And English kings for centuries had litters of Fitzroys running around. Siring bastards has always been common among men of high status and low piety.
His complaint is retarded, what kind of question is this?
Refusing his request to sanction a mail order Subcontinental bride ranks up there with banning Fortnite for all time government atrocities, who cares? He even himself characterised it as a selfish whim “I wanted an exotic novelty, not a fat broad!” He didn’t even use the facile trope of the repressive government getting in the way of his “One True Love!”
Some months ago, I saw a strange ad for an NGO that seemed to be primarily concerned with importing gays from the third world to metro areas in Canada. Even given the political power that gays have, I thought it really odd at the time. Some of them obviously had HIV.
I also wondered whether our society is so corrupt that gays could be grooming people from the third world, in exchange for help immigrating.
Obama’s parents were married when he was born. His bastardy wasn’t spoken of because he wasn’t one.
Thank you for the correction. I was greatly mistaken then.
FYI, "One drop rule" is just black pablum. Many words were in use to describe black gradations in the US, mulatto, even octoroon. They are words progs don't like, not racists. Next you'll be saying that Europeans invented "chattel slavery."Replies: @utu
“Poor utu”– This is not about utu. This about your logic and quality of your arguments that I tried to point to in your comment that caught my attention. By switching to utu and your theories of what are utu’s intentions you do not escape crappiness of your ideas that you are unable to defend coherently.
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