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Didn’t blog about it at the time, but just a bit more than a week ago, Putin formally signed Russia’s new immigration law easing citizenship requirements for Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, and Kazakhstan nationals (something that I l ong advocated).
It’s not an open borders project (the kneejerk hysterics of a few anti-Putin Russian nationalists aside).
It’s pretty explicitly aimed at making things easier for diaspora Russians, something that’s both in the text of the law as well as confirmed in comments made by Putin:
This should be a state policy, Russia is interested in the inflow of migrants, but only in those that the country needs. Of course, if we are talking about our compatriots, carriers of the Russian language and Russian culture, we are doubly or triple interested in the influx of just such people who themselves to be Russians in the broad sense of the word.
… as well as high net value added foreigners with close connections to Russia.
Incidentally, an amusing implication. All Ukrainian and Belorussian citizens are acknowledged as carriers of the Russian language. Meanwhile, the recently adopted Constitutional Amendment recognizes “carriers of the Russian language” as the “state forming people of the Russian Federation.”
Let us all congratulate AP and Mr. Hack on their new status!
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I can’t speak for AP, but other than just a visit, I don’t plan on becoming a Russian citizen. Firstly, I’m an American that was born in the US, and secondly, it’s just too cold. You might have better luck trying to convince Russophiles like Professor Tennesee and Mike Averko to apply, I’ve tried for years but they seem too well situated in the States to want to move. 🙂
Fair enough. But does it apply to the Baltic states. If not why not?
Russia’s a big place. The South, Crimea especially, has very nice weather 😉
Russia should make this view open policy: (1) it annoys all the right people, (2) its mere existance has a persuasive pull of its own, no matter your view of its merits (persuasion is rarely logical).
But if ethnic Russians leave Kazkahstan wouldn’t Russia lose influence there (and given its huge natural resources, China and the US are eager to increase their influence there)?
Russians don’t have any influence in Kazakhstan whatsoever, we are not verbally tilted and maniacally ethnocentric to form ethnic lobbies like Jews or Armenians. The Russians in Kazakhstan only serve as cognitive horsepower.
Why are southern Central Asian countries excluded from this bill? After all, some of them, such as Kyrgyzstan, still have Russian minorities as well–albeit ones that are a smaller % of their total population in comparison to Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and Kazakhstan.
By that logic, though, Russian-speaking emigre Jews (such as my dad) and their Russian-speaking descendants (such as myself) would likewise be considered state-forming people of the Russian Federation, no?
A bit like the Chinese in Southeast Asia, but without the pogroms?
Doesn’t extend to me yet but that “carriers of the language” line sounds promising. I speak with a terrible accent but likely spell better than the median victim of the ЕГЭ.
So does this only apply to ethnic Russians or all Kazakhstanis etc?
Well, there’s some unexpected motivation to finish learning Russian.
Putin is definitely moving in the right direction. With the Zionist empire stumbling, it makes sense to ease immigration requirements. Just like the USSR was open to Westerners, so should a more rational Russia. Don’t imagine a massive inflow, but from a PR standpoint it would make sense to invite Eastern Orthodox Christians, as an example. If the Western armies continue to become more and more ‘woke’, I should expect that there might be a viable conduit of disgusted soldiers and marines that might be interested in serving with real men, rather that the Tranny Uber Alles of the West
This is a good thing. Should have been done many years ago. Better late than never.
I’ve been to the Crimea, and let’s face it, it never was up to world standards. Even neighboring Romania and Bulagaria have much nicer beaches and amenities to entice the once abundant Crimean crowds from Ukraine.The beaches are a pain in the you know where to walk on, full of rocks, and the weather is way too cold to visit in the wintertime. When are we finally going to witness the great Russian revamp of Crimea, the new “French Riviera”? 🙂
Here’s where I go and vacation during January:
Although Costa Rica is a very large tourist mecca for world travelers (a lots of Americans, Germans and even Russians visit yearly) you can always find a private beach all to yourself, as the country has hundreds of miles of coastline on both sides. No rocks or pebbles to contend with and the water’s temperature in January averages between 77* – 82* farenheit. And I don’t have to worry about not having a “Green Lives Matter” bumper sticker on my car.
Here is a sandy beach in Crimea
https://img.golos.io/images/23FA3GtGCSRRrcCL8VBt44rvADEM.jpg
But Crimea (like France) is interesting not for beaches, but for other things. By the number of interesting places per square kilometer, Crimea can easily compete with the same southern France
https://sun9-12.userapi.com/c851132/v851132090/121f85/wIEeKUJnl7E.jpg
https://pro100beauty.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/livadijskij-dvorecz.jpg
https://pastvu.com/_p/a/9/9/o/99ovg0g1m0qtwsc17d.jpg
https://cdn.photosight.ru/img/8/bbf/3407465_large.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/92/d1/9b92d19a7904973def3f044c6860f58f.jpg
https://moiarussia.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Koyashskoe-ozero.jpg
https://moya-planeta.ru/upload/images/xl/fe/11/fe11c7cebf8a4e25dd19c0b86d577239.jpg
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Reply to Svevlad, #5.
Where were you in Crimea?
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Bulagaria–as opposed to Bulgaria–must sound awful! 😉 Bulag almost sounds like Gulag. 🙁
He was there in 2001.
In 2001. I wrote about it recently within Philip Giraldi’s blog “Victoria Nuland Alert” (sorry, I don’t know how to copy paste previous comments that include a convenient entry point?):
I spent a couple of days and an evening in Sudak too, where one can really feel the Tatar influence. All together about one week. The seafood is good and plentiful as is the wine. I’ve written before about this experience here and at other blogsites within UNZ. When are you going?
https://ua.igotoworld.com/frontend/webcontent/websites/1/images/gallery/25920_370x246_nikita.jpg
Wouldn't you agree that it's a bit strange to base your assessment of how Crimea stands up to "world standards" drawing from 19 year old impressions, when (1) it was in Ukraine and (2) pretty much everywhere in the CIS - including even Moscow - were a dump?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbzYfAR779AReplies: @Mr. Hack
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When in Gurzev, you’re really visiting Yalta too. I saw all of the popular sites there including the palaces and really enjoyed the Nikitsky Botanical Gardens.
This is a purely manipulative post. Beaches both in the Crimea and in the French Riviera are completely different, you can choose any photo
Here is a sandy beach in Crimea
But Crimea (like France) is interesting not for beaches, but for other things. By the number of interesting places per square kilometer, Crimea can easily compete with the same southern France
Like I’ve said, “Crimea is a cool and exotic destination”, and have expressed my admiration for the palaces and Nikitsky Botanical Gardens. Sure, there are a few beige sand beaches to be found, but the vast majority of beaches are of the rocky variety that I’ve shown above. I know, because I injured my foot there while walking along the beaches barefooted. 🙁
As for the number of tourists in Crimea-here is an approximate l graph
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/241223/pub_5c9e1c2edd266e00b3a1ac58_5cd6d056c6dcb700b36cadf4/scale_1200Replies: @Mr. Hack, @anonymous coward
It’s not just the beaches, but the tourist infrastructure that is lacking. People who travel to the Black Sea for a vacation often bypass Crimea for the beaches and accommodations that they find in Romania. Bulgaria and Turkey. Tourism has dropped precipitously from Ukraine, the major launching point for Crimean vacations.
True, but the beaches of southern France are just as bad (their length is longer, but there are also more people there). I have a beach holiday in St. Petersburg near my home in the summer better than in the Crimea or southern France. In Norway the beaches are probably even better
As for the number of tourists in Crimea-here is an approximate l graph
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/241223/pub_5c9e1c2edd266e00b3a1ac58_5cd6d056c6dcb700b36cadf4/scale_1200
https://www.eadiocese.org/public/image.php/11436.jpg?width=300&height=200&color=000000&cropratio=300:200&image=/images/news/2017/02-22-costarica/13.jpghttps://www.eadiocese.org/news_170222_1
A love for sandy beaches is the ultimate NPC pleb filter.
I had planned to this summer, but that got derailed for obvious reasons.
Wouldn’t you agree that it’s a bit strange to base your assessment of how Crimea stands up to “world standards” drawing from 19 year old impressions, when (1) it was in Ukraine and (2) pretty much everywhere in the CIS – including even Moscow – were a dump?
Besides, who cares about Simferopol? What tourists go there for their dream Crimean vacation anyway? What's happened since 2013 and today relating to the beachfront properties of Yalta, Gursef, Sudak, Kerch etc; etc;? Where are all of the new hotels and casinos that we've been hearing about for years that were supposed to appear and really put Crimea on the Tourist map of Europe? Like I've already said, the real Black Sea touristy places are to be found in Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey.
Ukrainian tourists were infamous for spending little, the holiday-goers from Western Ukraine who arrive with their own salo and vodka are a meme. No big loss. Made up and them some by Russian tourists in numbers, and much more so in amount of money spent.
I'm curious to know just what new attractions that have been built since the anschluss have added to this great spending frenzy?/b>
Somehow I still suspect that Russian tourists are still packing their own suitcases with kolbasa and cheap vodka, rather than paying the inflated Crimean costs. :-)Replies: @Dreadilk
Wouldn't you agree that it's a bit strange to base your assessment of how Crimea stands up to "world standards" drawing from 19 year old impressions, when (1) it was in Ukraine and (2) pretty much everywhere in the CIS - including even Moscow - were a dump?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbzYfAR779AReplies: @Mr. Hack
So, in 2016 a road (if there had been more, I’m sure that that this propagandistic video would have mentioned this fact) somewhere in a dingy part of Simferopol was resurfaced, and this is supposed to impress?…the houses haven’t changed much and still look ass dilapiated as in 2013. The slight cosmetic changes at the airport really don’t indicate any dramatic changes either?…Oh yeah, a statue or two has been cleaned and stands proud!
Besides, who cares about Simferopol? What tourists go there for their dream Crimean vacation anyway? What’s happened since 2013 and today relating to the beachfront properties of Yalta, Gursef, Sudak, Kerch etc; etc;? Where are all of the new hotels and casinos that we’ve been hearing about for years that were supposed to appear and really put Crimea on the Tourist map of Europe? Like I’ve already said, the real Black Sea touristy places are to be found in Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey.
More vacationers from Russia x much inflated prices = “more in amount of money spent”
I’m curious to know just what new attractions that have been built since the anschluss have added to this great spending frenzy?/b>
Somehow I still suspect that Russian tourists are still packing their own suitcases with kolbasa and cheap vodka, rather than paying the inflated Crimean costs. 🙂
I have not visited Bulgaria/Romania for their resorts but I somehow doubt it is much better. Maybe cheaper if my assumptions hold up.Replies: @Mr. Hack
As for the number of tourists in Crimea-here is an approximate l graph
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/241223/pub_5c9e1c2edd266e00b3a1ac58_5cd6d056c6dcb700b36cadf4/scale_1200Replies: @Mr. Hack, @anonymous coward
I don’t doubt you, I remember seeing you post photos of your lovely environment here. I don’t have to tell you to skip Crimea and save your rubles and perhaps go and visit Costa Rica. A nature lover like you, I think, would be quite impressed. I’m originally from a beautiful northern climate too, and can tell you that Costa Rica is very exotic and tropical with plenty of great places to hike around and give your camera a real workout. There’s a growing Russian community there as well, including an Orthodox church too:
https://www.eadiocese.org/news_170222_1
As for the number of tourists in Crimea-here is an approximate l graph
https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/241223/pub_5c9e1c2edd266e00b3a1ac58_5cd6d056c6dcb700b36cadf4/scale_1200Replies: @Mr. Hack, @anonymous coward
Yikes.
A love for sandy beaches is the ultimate NPC pleb filter.
Solid move by Putin – further depopulates Ukraine of higher functioning ethnic Russians & further deflates the “Russian expansion” meme. CIA hardest hit.
Because most Baltic Russians have special grey passports that are more or less a synthesis of both a Russian and an EU passport and are – arguably – more powerful than either.
Might unironically make use of this; there is after all no real reason not to if you have the option. I laugh hard at the Ukro-nats not doing this. Don’t they see it makes a trip to bomb the satanic temple known as the kreml all the more simple?
https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1122578267217780736Replies: @Ano4
I'm curious to know just what new attractions that have been built since the anschluss have added to this great spending frenzy?/b>
Somehow I still suspect that Russian tourists are still packing their own suitcases with kolbasa and cheap vodka, rather than paying the inflated Crimean costs. :-)Replies: @Dreadilk
I was there in 2018. It is little changed from 20 years ago. However it was nice and the quality of life there is high if you can afford it. I would say once Russia is done with infrastructure they will spend on tourism next. I saw a ton of work around Yalta. New boardwalks and hotels. Existing high end stuff was of great quality.
I have not visited Bulgaria/Romania for their resorts but I somehow doubt it is much better. Maybe cheaper if my assumptions hold up.
I have not visited Bulgaria/Romania for their resorts but I somehow doubt it is much better. Maybe cheaper if my assumptions hold up.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Thanks for the update. I’ve not been to Romania or Bulgaria (not to mention Turkey) either. You can google in, however, these countries and preview their Black Sea resorts and get an idea of what they have to offer. But no matter, the Crimea is still an interesting place and I would urge Karlin to complete his trip there. The next time I’m in the neighbohood, I’ll probably visit Odessa and its environs (you know, many crazy “Ukies” and “Svidomites” still have a bad taste in their mouth over the “Little Green Men incident”. 🙁
Single citizenship cucks BTFO.
2) Add all the Slavs left in the other former Soviet Republics under an Israeli type right to return.
3) Stop concentrating on religious, cultural and linguistic peculiarities of each branch of the Eastern Slavs, be open minded and avoid all forms of inter-Slav chauvinism.
4) End war in Donbass and re-open all borders between Slav republics.
5) Ease the acquisition of property and rights to own land for citizens of the three Slav states.
6) Ensure this continues for a couple of generations and you will have an Eastern Slav cultural and economic continuum.
7) Proclaim the principle of "Three Nations, one People ".
8) Formalize it all as an Eastern Slav confederation.
9) Put the Confederate capital in a small city somewhere in the geographical middle between the three national capital cities of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
10) Ensure that the Confederation will have an international status recognized using the EU precedent.
Then call it all Ruthenia 2.0.
Problem solved by 2100: Eastern Slavs are here to stay for the millennia to come...Replies: @Mr. Hack
https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1122578267217780736Replies: @Ano4
1) Give Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians the right to automatically acquire the citizenship of the other Slav former republics of the USSR.
2) Add all the Slavs left in the other former Soviet Republics under an Israeli type right to return.
3) Stop concentrating on religious, cultural and linguistic peculiarities of each branch of the Eastern Slavs, be open minded and avoid all forms of inter-Slav chauvinism.
4) End war in Donbass and re-open all borders between Slav republics.
5) Ease the acquisition of property and rights to own land for citizens of the three Slav states.
6) Ensure this continues for a couple of generations and you will have an Eastern Slav cultural and economic continuum.
7) Proclaim the principle of “Three Nations, one People “.
8) Formalize it all as an Eastern Slav confederation.
9) Put the Confederate capital in a small city somewhere in the geographical middle between the three national capital cities of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
10) Ensure that the Confederation will have an international status recognized using the EU precedent.
Then call it all Ruthenia 2.0.
Problem solved by 2100: Eastern Slavs are here to stay for the millennia to come…
2) Add all the Slavs left in the other former Soviet Republics under an Israeli type right to return.
3) Stop concentrating on religious, cultural and linguistic peculiarities of each branch of the Eastern Slavs, be open minded and avoid all forms of inter-Slav chauvinism.
4) End war in Donbass and re-open all borders between Slav republics.
5) Ease the acquisition of property and rights to own land for citizens of the three Slav states.
6) Ensure this continues for a couple of generations and you will have an Eastern Slav cultural and economic continuum.
7) Proclaim the principle of "Three Nations, one People ".
8) Formalize it all as an Eastern Slav confederation.
9) Put the Confederate capital in a small city somewhere in the geographical middle between the three national capital cities of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
10) Ensure that the Confederation will have an international status recognized using the EU precedent.
Then call it all Ruthenia 2.0.
Problem solved by 2100: Eastern Slavs are here to stay for the millennia to come...Replies: @Mr. Hack
After 6 years of being involved in a hybrid war with Russia, I don’t see anything near approval for your 10 points stated above by Ukrainians? How do you plan to promote this platform there? You know that most Ukrainians consider Moscow’s man in Ukraine, Viktor Medvechuk, as a fifth column A-hole, heading many of Russia’s propaganda outlets in Ukraine, so anything that he would endorse would be tinged with corruption and suspicion, and who else but he would be left with the promotion of such a program? 🙁
But if the work is done diligently and patiently on ensuring the future of all Eastern Slavs, then it might be doable.
The French, English and German nations had major and bloody conflicts in the past and there were forced territorial transfers between these different countries.
Yet I don't think any European Nationalist would advocate for any form of irredentism and revenge in the relationship between these three poles of Western European Civilization.
And these nations are much more different than the nations of Eastern Slavs.
If Western Europeans could leave their enmity and rancor behind, then I don't see why Eastern Slavs could not do the same thing.
I would also add, that all indigenous populations living in the Slav countries should be ensured that they will have equal rights with the Slavs.
That would include Eastern European Jews if they officially claim to themselves a Khazar descent.Replies: @Mr. Hack
It is going to take time, probably a couple of generations.
But if the work is done diligently and patiently on ensuring the future of all Eastern Slavs, then it might be doable.
The French, English and German nations had major and bloody conflicts in the past and there were forced territorial transfers between these different countries.
Yet I don’t think any European Nationalist would advocate for any form of irredentism and revenge in the relationship between these three poles of Western European Civilization.
And these nations are much more different than the nations of Eastern Slavs.
If Western Europeans could leave their enmity and rancor behind, then I don’t see why Eastern Slavs could not do the same thing.
I would also add, that all indigenous populations living in the Slav countries should be ensured that they will have equal rights with the Slavs.
That would include Eastern European Jews if they officially claim to themselves a Khazar descent.
But if the work is done diligently and patiently on ensuring the future of all Eastern Slavs, then it might be doable.
The French, English and German nations had major and bloody conflicts in the past and there were forced territorial transfers between these different countries.
Yet I don't think any European Nationalist would advocate for any form of irredentism and revenge in the relationship between these three poles of Western European Civilization.
And these nations are much more different than the nations of Eastern Slavs.
If Western Europeans could leave their enmity and rancor behind, then I don't see why Eastern Slavs could not do the same thing.
I would also add, that all indigenous populations living in the Slav countries should be ensured that they will have equal rights with the Slavs.
That would include Eastern European Jews if they officially claim to themselves a Khazar descent.Replies: @Mr. Hack
I’ll check back in a couple of generations and see how close your prognostications come to fruition…….
2060? 🙂
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
It’s not really prognostications, more of a wishful thinking really. But I don’t think it’s a bad plan.
🙂
A whole new generation of Russian statesmen would have to appear with a totally different mindset from Putin - is this likely, probable?Replies: @Ano4
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
For Russian empire builders it’s a great plan; for Ukrainian state builders, not so much – meh!
A whole new generation of Russian statesmen would have to appear with a totally different mindset from Putin – is this likely, probable?
Eastern Slavs have a nearly identical genetic makeup.
A person who shares your Y haplogroup clade is a relative of yours even if he has a somewhat different culture.
Why should generically-related people kill each other just because they have relatively minor linguistic differences?
Would you consider your cousin an outsider just because he pronounces "perekhod" instead of "perekhid"?
That would be a little parochial on your part, isn't it?
Why not working toghether towards ensuring the survival of the genetic populations that have co-existed in the Slavic lands for millennia?
Instead of Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian nationalisms bickering about the heritage of the Old Rus, maybe it is time to have a "Ruthenian" Eastern Slav nationalism turned towards the future.
🙂
Have a look when you can:
https://youtu.be/ZM3T2icIK4UReplies: @Mr. Hack
A whole new generation of Russian statesmen would have to appear with a totally different mindset from Putin - is this likely, probable?Replies: @Ano4
Empires and states are old thinking. Why don’t you try population genetics and genetic lineages instead?
Eastern Slavs have a nearly identical genetic makeup.
A person who shares your Y haplogroup clade is a relative of yours even if he has a somewhat different culture.
Why should generically-related people kill each other just because they have relatively minor linguistic differences?
Would you consider your cousin an outsider just because he pronounces “perekhod” instead of “perekhid”?
That would be a little parochial on your part, isn’t it?
Why not working toghether towards ensuring the survival of the genetic populations that have co-existed in the Slavic lands for millennia?
Instead of Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian nationalisms bickering about the heritage of the Old Rus, maybe it is time to have a “Ruthenian” Eastern Slav nationalism turned towards the future.
🙂
Have a look when you can:
Eastern Slavs have a nearly identical genetic makeup.
A person who shares your Y haplogroup clade is a relative of yours even if he has a somewhat different culture.
Why should generically-related people kill each other just because they have relatively minor linguistic differences?
Would you consider your cousin an outsider just because he pronounces "perekhod" instead of "perekhid"?
That would be a little parochial on your part, isn't it?
Why not working toghether towards ensuring the survival of the genetic populations that have co-existed in the Slavic lands for millennia?
Instead of Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian nationalisms bickering about the heritage of the Old Rus, maybe it is time to have a "Ruthenian" Eastern Slav nationalism turned towards the future.
🙂
Have a look when you can:
https://youtu.be/ZM3T2icIK4UReplies: @Mr. Hack
If anything, the relationship between Ukrainians and Russians, even though sharing a lot of genetical structure, is frought with tension and mistrust. So, political ideas don’t seem to be shaped by genetic structure – this can be seen in reality, not on some paid ideologue’s blackboard.
In the Russian worldview, we’re to believe that none of the Ukrainians that live in Russia have any inclination to have their children academically enrolled in schools where the Ukrainian language is used and taught, not one single Ukrainian church is allowed to exist. Is this right, a good starting point for your 10 ideas?
In Ukraine, on the other hand, where the Ukrainian government wanted to increase the knowldge of Ukrainian, for the people in Donbas, all hell broke loose, I suspect more from Moscow thinktanks than from the locals themself. Bloody murder is cried whenever a Russian langauge school in Ukraine is closed, and not one such Ukrainian school is allowed to exist in Russia.
I only can forsee these types of trends continuing if Ukraine ever finds itseld more closely alligned with Russia. For Ukrainians it’s a matter of ethnic and cultural genocide, for Russians its an existential game played out in the “borderland”….
An Eternal Rus Lebensraum from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok and from Crimea to Kamchatka !
How about that as a political slogan and a cultural perspective?
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
Politics are a distraction. Languages change. Cultures are born and die. But genetics remain. Genetic lineages and the Lebensraum they control are all that matters. The majority of Russian and Ukrainian people share the same genetic lineages, they should ensure their survival and keep the Lebensraum for their offspring.
An Eternal Rus Lebensraum from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok and from Crimea to Kamchatka !
How about that as a political slogan and a cultural perspective?
🙂
An Eternal Rus Lebensraum from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok and from Crimea to Kamchatka !
How about that as a political slogan and a cultural perspective?
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
I’m not on your bandwagon, for such an Empire would only benefit Russian imperial and national interests. Genetic make-ups change over time just as do cultures and languages. Poland’s genetic structure is also very closely similar to Ukraine’s? Mind you, I’m not indicating that Ukraine’s long term destiny is going to be any better served by linking up with sodomite Parisians or Germans in Brussels, either. Ukraine needs some time to develop independently and find its place in the world as a viable whole. This is why Russia is doing everything that it can to distract and harrass Ukraine, not the acts of a friendly neighbor.
How so and why?Replies: @Mr. Hack
So according to your understanding, working towards the longtime survival of the Eastern Slavs is only in Russian interests?
How so and why?
How so and why?Replies: @Mr. Hack
The interests and survival of both Eastern Slav nations can survive separately, as they’re now doing, and as they’ve done several times in the past. Once the Northern Slav nation can learn to respect the Southern one more and taper its aggressive Rusifying tendencies, then I can see no reason for both nations not to forge more cooperative and mutually beneficial relations. For now, Ukraine needs to be very careful in crafting any relatons where it subsumes especialy any of its cultural interests to Moscow.
There's less cultural differences between a Russian from Kursk and an Ukrainian from Odessa than between a Frenchman from Calais and a Frenchman from Marseilles. Does it mean that France should decry its centuries of cultural unification and revert to a Langue d'Oil and Langue d'Oc situation that prevailed before the Albigeois Crusades?
Or that the the Slav from Kursk and the Slav from Odessa should both be part if the same confederation?
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
Okay. You seem to give the cultural peculiarities a paramount importance.
There’s less cultural differences between a Russian from Kursk and an Ukrainian from Odessa than between a Frenchman from Calais and a Frenchman from Marseilles. Does it mean that France should decry its centuries of cultural unification and revert to a Langue d’Oil and Langue d’Oc situation that prevailed before the Albigeois Crusades?
Or that the the Slav from Kursk and the Slav from Odessa should both be part if the same confederation?
🙂
There's less cultural differences between a Russian from Kursk and an Ukrainian from Odessa than between a Frenchman from Calais and a Frenchman from Marseilles. Does it mean that France should decry its centuries of cultural unification and revert to a Langue d'Oil and Langue d'Oc situation that prevailed before the Albigeois Crusades?
Or that the the Slav from Kursk and the Slav from Odessa should both be part if the same confederation?
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
France has a right to its own cultural unification, as does Russia and Ukraine. It appears that you somehow lost your perspective and don’t seem to realize that Ukraine and Russia are indeed two different countries, with different languages, history, religious and folk customs. You’re somehow mixing up Kursk with Odessa, two different cities in two different countries with two different histories. I guess that’s where the problem really begins. Russia isn’t Ukraine anymore than Ukraine is Russia. Russian empire builders tried to destroy Ukraine, but somehow through it all, Ukraine has managed to keep its unique culture and language alive. It must be worth preserving and not become almost totally Russified as has Kuban.
Okay, I see that you can’t get away from your Ukrainian nationalist orbit and see the bigger picture. We all have our limitations, which are usually imposed by our family background, education and experience.
Therefore, it would be a waste of my time to continue arguing with you.But maybe we should go to visit Russia and Ukraine together one day. I would gladly go back to Odessa again.
I would say to my wife that I’ve gone to Kursk.
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To be reborn (Samsara) in Odessa? Just tell your wife the Truth…she’ll understand. 🙂
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My wife always told me: “You can look, but don’t you dare touching!”. I’ve been to Odessa a couple of years ago for work and there is a lot to look at. I think that by the proportion of beautiful ladies, Odessa might be the first city in the world.
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