Discovering Meaning in Panic

PROJECT DEMONSTRATING EXCELLENCE

DISCOVERING MEANING IN PANIC:

A PROCESS-ORIENTED APPROACH TO PANIC ATTACKS
Popular saying by Pedro Hernandez

BY
EVANGELIA KRINO VASSILIOU

SUBMITTED IN PARTIAL FULFILLMENT OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEGREE OF
DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY
WITH A CONCENTRATION IN
PSYCHOLOGY
SPECIALIZATION IN
PROCESS-ORIENTED PSYCHOLOGY
AND A
FEBRUARY 18, 2005

CORE FACULTY: JUDITH ARCANA, PH.D.
UNION INSTITUTE & UNIVERSITY
CINCINNATI, OHIO
ABSTRACT
This dissertation provides an elucidation of a process-oriented approach to panic
attacks. The multiple case study is framed within the interpretive framework of
the constructivist paradigm and heuristic research, and set in the context of the
emergent standards of care for panic disorder: cognitive behavioral therapy;
pharmacological treatment; a combination of both. Included is a review of other
psychotherapeutic approaches to treating panic disorder. The approach was
abstracted from case studies of the work of Dr. Arnold Mindell (founder of
Process-oriented Psychology, also called Process Work) done with me, the
researcher, and five other people who have experienced unexpected panic
attacks. Transcribed video recordings were analyzed by within-case, deductive,
inductive and cross-case methods.
The process-oriented approach is delineated in nine steps (phases of the work)

that describe broad directions and methods composing the therapeutic
interaction observed across the six cases. These steps detail an approach
emphasizing the role of awareness, and addressing the multidimensionality of
individual experience by investigating biomedical and contextual, as well as
dreamlike aspects (i.e., a persons subjective experience of the neurobiological
and cognitive features) of a panic attack.
A central hypothesis, brought to the foreground by the explication of the

approach and its illustration in the case studies, is that embedded within the
experience of a panic attack is a needed direction for a persons life (aspects of a
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persons nature marginalized by the persons identity), which can be revealed by

the unfolding of the dreamlike aspects of a panic attack. My personal experience
is presented as anecdotal data supporting additional investigation of this
hypothesis.
This study describes my understanding of an area of practice in Process-oriented

Psychology that has not previously been defined in writing. The elucidation of this
approach creates the ground for future research on the application of process
thinking to working with panic attacks.
Discovering Meaning in Panic:

A Process-oriented Approach to Panic Attacks
By
Evangelia Krino Vassiliou
Diploma in Social Work:
Advanced School of Social Work

Institute for the Development of Social Work
Athens, Greece, 1985
Master of Arts in Process Work: The Graduate School

Process Work Center of Portland
Oregon, USA, 1999
A Project Demonstrating Excellence Approved on:
February 18, 2005
By the following Doctoral Committee members:
First Core
Judith Arcana, Ph.D.
Second Core Robert McAndrews, Ph.D.

Adjunct
Mary Clare, Ph.D.
Adjunct
George Mecouch, Ph.D.
Peer
Chris Allen, Ph.D.
Peer
Jimmie St. Arnold, Ph.D.
By the Dean of the Graduate College on:

Dean
Larry M. Preston, Ph.D.
Union Institute & University

Cincinnati, Ohio
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February 17, 2006
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
I would like to extend heartfelt thanks to my Committee members, Dr. Judith
Arcana, Dr. Nancy Owens, Dr. Bob McAndrews, Dr. Mary Clare, Dr. George
Mecouch, Dr. Jimmie St. Arnold and Dr. Chris Allen: You each made unique
contributions to this research and together created an inspiring, intellectually
stimulating and supportive learning atmosphere within which I developed.
I wish to express my deep gratitude and appreciation to the people who
participated in this research exploring terrifying experiences. The public sharing
of your intimate explorations is an invaluable gift to everyone interested in human
experience.
I would also like to express my deep gratitude and appreciation to my teacher,
mentor and colleague, Dr. Arnold Mindell, for his participation in this research.
Your ideas and work are a source of inspiration, learning and personal growth;
your support is an empowerment to be all that I am.
I would like to extend heartfelt thanks to Lee Jones for her help with the
intricacies of research; Anni Vassiliou for her feedback and ideas on the first
draft; and Lena Aslanidou, Susan Kocen, Alexia Papagianni, Alexandra Vassiliou
for their love and support.
I also wish to express my deep gratitude and appreciation to my mother, Vasso
Vassiliou, and father, George Vassiliou. I dedicate this work to her and offer it in
loving memory of him. Your visions, lives, thirst for life and love of learning are a
source of inspiration. Thank you for the gift of life, your love and support.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Abstract ................................................................................................................ 2
Acknowledgments ................................................................................................ 5
Table of Contents ................................................................................................. 6
List of Figures ....................................................................................................... 9
List of Tables ........................................................................................................ 9
Preface ............................................................................................................... 10
Chapter 1: Introduction to Problem And Study ................................................... 27
Panic Disorder and Agoraphobia................................................................................28
Epidemiology & Human Costs....................................................................................29
Standards of Care ......................................................................................................33
Purpose of the Study ..................................................................................................35
Specifics of the Study .................................................................................................38
Process Work's Perspective on Panic Attacks ...........................................................41
Chapter 2: Literature Review .............................................................................. 46

Standards of Care ......................................................................................................47
Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT)..........................................................................49
Paradoxical Intention ..................................................................................................53
Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) ......................................54
Emotion-Focused Psychotherapy (EFT) ....................................................................55
Psychodynamic Psychotherapy..................................................................................56
Jungian Analysis.........................................................................................................60
Existential Psychotherapy ..........................................................................................62
Feminist Therapy........................................................................................................64
Process Work .............................................................................................................72
Psychotherapy Integration..........................................................................................72
My Viewpoint ..............................................................................................................73
Chapter 3: Methodology ..................................................................................... 75

Terms .........................................................................................................................76
Research Strategy......................................................................................................77
Type of Research .......................................................................................................78
Philosophical Framework ...........................................................................................79
The Role of the Researcher .......................................................................................79
Data Collection ...........................................................................................................84
Data Analysis..............................................................................................................96
Evaluative Criteria ....................................................................................................101
Human Subject Protection........................................................................................103
Ethical Dilemmas......................................................................................................104
Limitations of the Study ............................................................................................105
Contribution to Knowledge .......................................................................................108
Chapter 4: The Process Work Paradigm .......................................................... 109

Levels of Reality .......................................................................................................109
Suppositions of the Process Work Paradigm ...........................................................110
Forms of Awareness.................................................................................................112
Main Method.............................................................................................................113
Paths to Enlightenment ..........................................................................................114
Central Concepts in the Process Work Paradigm ....................................................115
Chapter 5: Findings .......................................................................................... 136

Overview of Steps in a Process-oriented Approach to Panic Attacks ......................139
Step 1 [CR]: Attending to the Medical Aspects of the Panic Attacks........................141
Step 2 [CR]: Getting a Picture of the Life Context within which the Panic Attacks
Occur ........................................................................................................................144
Step 3 [CR Dreamland]: Eliciting the Person's Subjective Experience of the Panic
Attack........................................................................................................................149
Step 4 [CR Dreamland]: Identifying Entry Points into the Process Underlying the
Panic Attack..............................................................................................................150
Step 5 [Dreamland]: Entering the Process Underlying the Panic Attack ..................162
Step 6 [Dreamland]: Unfolding the Dreamlike Aspects of the Panic Attack .............166
Step 7 [Dreamland CR]: Understanding the Significance of the Unfolded
Experience of the Panic Attack for the Persons Life................................................186
Step 8 [Dreamland Essence]: Sensing the Essence of the Unfolded Experience of
the Panic Attack........................................................................................................192
Step 9 [Essence Consensus Reality]: Exploring the Sensed Essence and Insights It
Generates About the Persons Life...........................................................................196
The Hypothesis Implied in the Description of the Approach.....................................201
Anecdotal Data Supporting the Investigation of the Hypotheses Implied in the
Description of the Approach .....................................................................................204
"New" Discoveries ....................................................................................................209
Chapter 6: Discussion ...................................................................................... 211

Reflection on Findings ..............................................................................................213
Future Research.......................................................................................................216
Chapter 7: Conclusions .................................................................................... 220

Standards of Care ....................................................................................................220
The Process Work Paradigm....................................................................................221
Application of the Process Work Paradigm to Panic Attacks ...................................223
Limitations of the Process Work Approach...............................................................226
Contributions of Process Work Approach.................................................................227
Social Implications of the Process Work Paradigms Worldview..............................230
Bibliography...................................................................................................... 233
Appendix A: My Preconceptions....................................................................... 254
Appendix B: Research Description ................................................................... 258
Appendix C: Consent to Participate.................................................................. 260
Appendix D: Consent to Videotape................................................................... 261
Appendix E: Permission of Use of Videotapes ................................................. 262
Appendix F: Viewing Agreement ...................................................................... 263
Appendix G: Data Analysis Sample.................................................................. 264
Appendix H: Verbatim Transcriptions of Cases ................................................ 269
Case 1: Researcher with Arnold Mindell in Class.....................................................270
Case 2: Woman with Arnold Mindell in private practice ...........................................290

Case 6: Man with Arnold Mindell in private practice.................................................412
Appendix I: Possible Utilization of Entry Points ................................................ 445

LIST OF FIGURES
Figure 1: Panic Attacks in Relation to Perceptual Realms..... 41
Figure 2: Venn Diagram of Study... 46
Figure 3: Levels of Reality .... 109
Figure 4: Paths to Enlightenment (a) ....... 114
Figure 5: Paths to Enlightenment (b) ....... 115
Figure 6: Steps in Working with Panic Attacks Relative to Perceptual
Realms........ 140
Figure 7: Arising of Needed Direction . 200
Figure 8: Unfolding of Panic Attack . 201
Figure 9: Analogy of Perceiving Multiple Dimensions .. 224
LIST OF TABLES
Table 1: Variation of Sample in Terms of Familiarity with Mindell and
the Process Work Paradigm and Gender ... 92
Table 2: Utilization of Entry Points into the Process Underlying a Panic
Attack ..... 165
Table 3: Application of the Belief in the Wisdom of Nature to the Categories
of Routes of Unfolding the Process Underlying a Panic Attack .... 185
Table 4: Possible Utilization of Entry Points Not Utilized in Cases 1-6 . 446
PREFACE
I begin this thesis by taking the reader on a short journey through some personal
experiences and inner processes that are simultaneously the ground from which
this writing arose and a reflection, in part, of its content. This personal dimension
is intricately connected to the theoretical one that follows. I chose to begin with
the personal dimension because it is my nature to do so, but also because in my
experience, theoretical concepts become easier to grasp when introduced
experientially.
My first experience of a panic attack shook the ground I was standing on The
illusion of knowing myself was ripped away A sudden, all engulfing, "out of
the blue" for my everyday mind unexplainable sense of terror overtook me
with such force that it felt like something slammed into me, instantaneously
inundating my existence There was only terror and the shattering of the
world as I knew it Whats happening? Why am I so afraid? Nothings
happening on the outside This must be what people experience when theyre
going crazyI must be going crazy I was afraid that I had lost my sanity for
ever The terror of experiencing something I had never experienced before
added to the sense of terror that the experience itself entailed.
The next panic attacks were easier in that sense; at least I knew what they
were. A tiny part of my everyday mind could hold on to the knowledge that what I
was experiencing was a panic attack and that all this would peak and soon be
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over. There is a huge sense of relief in knowing what something is, at least on
some level; in something being a recognizable experience, one that other people
have had, that humanity knows about! Youre not alone falling off a cliff into the
unknown. Others have fallen off that cliff before you! The unknown becomes a
little less unknown because others have experienced it, and that makes the
experience a little more tolerable.
Yet this sense of reassurance and slight safety that came with knowing that what
I was experiencing was a panic attack only took me so far. The experience was
so intense it was barely tolerable. It disrupted the flow of my life and took a toll on
me both physically and emotionally. My experience of being at the mercy of an
unknown, uncontrollable, overpowering, threatening force left me with a sense of
living in a dangerous, unfriendly universe over which I had no control.
I still remember the thrill and excitement that I felt the first time I recognized for a
split second this terrifying, unknown force that had overtaken me as an aspect of
myself, and the instantaneous relief of the tightness in my chest that
accompanied that recognition! Life had suddenly become a mystery of which I
was a part, well worth living! This occurred on the morning that I was going to fly
out to Cincinnati to attend the entry colloquium for my Ph.D. program. My focus
on panic attacks as scholarship had not yet crystallized. In my mind, I was off to
start a doctoral program that was going to focus on Process Works approach to
extreme states of consciousness states of consciousness that are referred to
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by the biomedical paradigm as mental disorders. As the following journal excerpt

reveals, the days running up to the entry colloquium had been intense, filled with
inner doubts about my intellectual abilities
October 15, 2000
In four days, Im heading off to the entry colloquium to start my Ph.D.
program and Im freaking out about it just like I freaked out when I
enrolled in the Process Work program something in me still thinks I
cant think Damn it! Im such a deep thinker! I LOVE to think, to study,
to ponder, to investigate process fascinates me I want to study it
deeper and deeper till I understand it in my bones I cant believe that
something in me still believes that Im incapable of thinking! Getting a
Ph.D. is intimately connected, for me, with the dynamics of sexism, both
internalized sexism satisfying an inner need to apply my intellect,
experience that part of myself, which I, myself still marginalize by
doubting its existence and sexism out in the world acquiring the
credentials that will help me as a woman be more respected and heard
as I take a stand for the things that I believe in.
The morning that I was going to fly to Cincinnati to matriculate into the doctoral
program, I woke up with a panic attack. Up until that day I had never attempted to
work on my experience of the panic attack while it was occurring. Perhaps it had
all still been too new and terrifying until that fifth, I think, panic attack. That
morning I somehow remembered my inner work skills and began to unfold my
experience. The following is a journal excerpt from that day:
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October 19, 2000 on board to Cincinnati

I woke up this morning with a panic attack that feeling of tightness in
my chest and that ominous sense of fear Tried my hardest to not let it
happen, to calm myself down this was the last thing I neededI had to
catch a plane in two hours, go start my Ph.D., and then fly to Greece to
work with people and teach. How was I going to function in the world in a
state of terror? The more I tried to stop it the more intense it became, till I
had to give in and accept that it was here, and there was nothing I could
do to stop it. That actually helped! Why is it always so hard to open up to
the disturbance? We put up such a fight to protect who we think we are
that we force whatever is trying to come into our lives to come in with a
vengeance. Ill kill you if I have to but Im coming in.
Accepting that it had won for the moment created a little tiny space, an
opening that allowed for a different kind of feeling to come in, a curiosity,
an interest in what was happening to me. I remembered my Process
Work skills and used my awareness to focus on my body experience and
try to help it unfold. The most intense experience in the moment was the
uncontrollable trembling that I felt in my legs so I stood up and allowed
my body to shake. The more permission I gave myself to shake, the
more intense the shaking became. As I allowed my entire body to shake
vigorously, including my head, amplifying the energy that was going
through my legs, I suddenly felt the form of my face begin to melt away,
and had a split-second sense of something beyond my human form. I
KNOW that in me! I thought, and with that split-second recognition I
instantly felt this huge sense of relief in my chest! Im on the right track!
I thought to myself feeling the tightness disappear. That sense of being
on track, of having tapped into a stream of experience that was flowing,
was so thrilling! I had never before been able to follow my body in this
state to an extent that it relieved the state momentarily! This relieving of
the physical sensations indicated to me that I had tapped into the
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process underlying these sensations and was in the flow. That split
second during which the disappearance of the physical sensations
occurred in tandem with the sense of recognition of the force that had
overtaken me as an aspect of myself, was so intense! All the cells of my
body were alive! I was part of the mystery of it all
I stopped there. I didnt unfold my experience of what I am inadequately
describing as something beyond my human form, but I got a glimpse of
this energy as it began to surface through the unfolding of my somatic
experience of the panic attack. That split-second experience contained
so much The physical sensation of my face dissolving a recognition
of a fierce intensity a dimension of existence beyond my physical
form What manifests in my everyday life as a panic attack is somehow
connected to this fierce intensity in me, and my tendency and yearning to
experience myself and the universe not only in their physical dimension
but in a dimension that goes beyond the bounds of space and time as
well. Both are so marginalized in the world I live in, so marginalized in
me Still, this tiny bit of opening was a beginning!
Suddenly things are making sense to me; I understand why the panic
attack came this morning. Something about my panic attacks is
intimately connected to my Ph.D. It's not only space in the world that
Im trying to create for what extreme states of consciousness are
attempting to bring but space in me as well! I remember realizing this
when I finished my application for the program but my experience today
has brought me to a different kind of knowing, deep down in my bones.
Im emotionally exhausted from the experience of terror, yet also touched
by the meaning that is beginning to be revealed through its unfolding, of
the journey that I am embarking on What spirit has been hovering over
me, protecting me, bringing me here? What luck to be part of a learning
community that is interested in exploring human experience; to have
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developed skills that enable me to work with my experiences and gain

access to another point of view; to be starting a Ph.D. related to these
states instead of being immobilized by them, feeling crazy, downing
myself. What a privilege What a blessing This needs to be shared
The convener of our entry colloquium asked us to write what came up for us
when we thought of our Ph.D. and how that was connected to our lifes work.
When I relaxed my mind the following poem emerged:
What keeps me going?

A little tiny drop of essence at the core of me
that's connected with the universe
that is the universe
that goes beyond my human form
that's me...
No matter what happens to me
how low or how freaked out I get
it's there
holding me in the background
loving me
guiding me
a songline taking me on my journey
a sense of well being deep down inside
I've come here to open up to this
let go of all that blinds me to it
believe in it
follow it
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give me the credentials I need to stand in the world

be respected
heard
find the spirit in "insanity" and midwife it
make space for it
in me
and in the world
opening us up to the gifts it brings to us
The path was long and winding! Throughout the journey, my doctoral program
was coming together more slowly than I expected. Again and again, I had to
open up to the rhythm that was emerging rather than the one that I was trying to
impose. This meant opening up to the slowness; trusting the long periods of
incubation when nothing was emerging rather than turning against myself and
seeing them as proof of my intellectual incapacity. It meant trusting the periods of
chaos; noticing my fear of the altered state of consciousness of a rush of ideas
pulling me in more directions than what I thought my brain capable to
simultaneously hold, and opening up to that. It involved following my impulse to
begin writing my thesis from the middle and then tolerating the anxiety of a nonlinear process which moved around from chapter to chapter, sometimes leaving
me in a state of chaos, realizing that another chapter needed to be written first
before that one could take form. In other words, opening up to the rhythm
emerging from within involved noticing what was happening, believing in the
wisdom of its direction and joining that direction intentionally. This is a central
thread that connects all the experiences and ideas throughout this document.
The following is a journal excerpt describing a beginning realization of the above:
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March 10, 2001

Though this Ph.D. program will include extended outer research, diving
into outer resources such as literature, courses, seminars and
knowledge of experts in the field, it is based on an internal search, the
unfolding of an inner process that has to do with a different way of being
in the world; a way of being that has to do with coming from the inside
out. This is a journey into non-ordinary states of consciousness and all
they signify for our concept of reality; a journey that has its own path, its
own structure and methodology, one that will emerge from the inside out.
Taking this journey requires total trust in this emergence from within, in
going into and staying with the formless till it gives birth to form. The
methodology of this journey mirrors its goal: opening up to, making
space for and living this non-linear emergence, going between the
worlds, diving within to come out, staying with the unknown, letting it
reveal itself. That is the task at hand that requires of me nothing less
than dropping my personal history and shape-shifting into my shamanic
nature.
In the above journal excerpt, I use the phrase dropping my personal history to
describe the process of letting go of personal, familial, cultural and societal
beliefs that define who I think I am, and what I think I can and cannot do. I use
the phrase shape-shifting into my shamanic nature to describe the process of
allowing myself to shift fluidly between the various dimensions of my experience.
That is, to relax my everyday mind and notice and unfold vague body sensations,
impulses, flash-like sensations and/or images, disturbances, things that happen
to me or that I find myself doing, in order to uncover the energy within that is
arising in my life; sense this energy, become it, and let it move me, recreate my
life.
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When I realized that extreme states of consciousness was too wide a focus, I
went back to what was motivating me. The personal significance of the journey of
my doctoral studies, which had been circling at the edge of my awareness since
the initial formulation of my research design, came to center: I wanted to make
space in the world, and in myself, for extreme states of consciousness and the
gifts they potentially carry, and raise awareness of the interconnection of the
outer and the inner realms.
How much space I can make in myself for certain experiences is intimately
connected to how much space there is in the world for those experiences, and
vice versa. If the culture I live in views certain states of consciousness solely as
abnormal or pathological, focusing only on the disruption they bring in ones life, I
will find it harder to open up to the idea of them carrying potential meaning. Each
time I open up to exploring the potential meaning of an experience, I relax the
grasp that internalized viewpoint has on me, and through this, on everyone else
in the culture, making it a little bit easier for other people to open up to potential
meaning of their experiences. Each of us changes our culture through changing
ourselves and vice versa. The political is personal; the personal is political. In this
sense, the personal significance of my doctoral studies was entangled with their
social meaning, and this, in itself, reflected the interconnection between the inner
and outer realms I aspired to bring to the foreground.
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My experiences of panic attacks were my personal point of contact with the

theme of extreme states of consciousness. In light of the above, panic attacks
seemed the logical choice for tighter focus. This focus brought to the foreground
another reflection of the interconnection of the outer and inner realms as it
appeared in the intertwining of my professional and a personal development.
These doctoral studies were both a professional and a personal exploration, in
the sense that I was interested in the topic both as a researcher and psychologist
and as a person who experienced panic attacks and wanted to find out more
about their meaning and significance for my life. Therefore, what this study would
bring, in part, was a view of this interconnection of the outer and inner realms,
and simultaneously a description of the viewpoint that awareness of this
interconnection gave me.
Focusing my doctoral studies on panic attacks brought me face to face with them
in a way that hadnt happened before. At first, just attempting to search for
literature on panic attacks was enough to give me a tight sensation in the chest,
which for me was associated with the beginning of a panic attack. There being no
way around the literature review, I forced myself to stay with what I was doing.
That is, I began to notice and acknowledge the discomfort and attempt to stay
with what I was reading, bearing it as much as I could. Over time, I was able to
read about panic attacks without feeling that I would get one. When I read about
the cognitive-behavioral approach to panic attacks, I realized that I had
spontaneously discovered and used aspects of this approach! The process that I
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am describing above, for example, can be seen as a form of desensitization to

physical stimuli (the sensation of tightness in the chest).
I immersed myself in reading, studying the various hypotheses on the

psychological and physiological origins of panic and the approaches developed
to deal with it. Understanding the hypothesized neurobiology of panic the
cycling that can occur between physical stimuli, cognition and the arousal of the
autonomic nervous system, which can bring on and/or intensify a panic attack
made the experience a little more comprehensible to my everyday mind,
lessening to a small extent my fear of it. It also emboldened my attempts to try to
stop it! I began to experiment with using my thought processes to stop an
experience from becoming a full blown panic attack. I remember my surprise and
relief when, lying in bed one day, feeling the onset of a panic attack, I succeeded
in stopping it with the thought, This doesnt have to become a full blown panic
attack! I was thrilled to have been able to stop it! A few minutes later, however,
panic hit me full force just as I was falling asleep (and the pre-frontal cortex no
longer controlled things)! In a strange way, something in me was also relieved
when the panic attack occurred: I was relieved to both have and not have control
over the experience. A part of me needed that sense of control, while another
part needed something of what the panic brought During that panic attack I
noticed that though I was panicking, I was more lucid through the experience: a
part of me had begun noticing myself panicking, and I was simultaneously the
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one panicking, the one noticing me panic, and the one noticing that I was
simultaneously experiencing both!
The ability to stop the panic from occurring, even momentarily, gave me a sense
of control that I didnt have before and that I needed. This sense of control was
connected to the development of my lucidity, in the sense that it relaxed my
everyday minds fear of the uncontrollable nature of the experience, allowing
more space for the feeling of curiosity. This feeling of curiosity was fertile ground
for the development of a lucid observer. The experience that I describe above
gave me a deeper appreciation for the need for different approaches that aim at
different goals (for example, cognitive-behavioral therapy or psychopharmaca
that aim at educating a person about the biological aspects of panic, and at
reducing or eliminating symptoms), for each of these goals can be an important
and needed part of the process of unfolding the experience of panic attacks at
one point or another.
Another way that I came face to face with my panic attacks, while on this journey,
was by using an opportunity that arose to explore my experiences of panic in the
context of a class that Dr. Arnold Mindell (the founder of Process Work) taught at
the Process Work Center of Portland. I later decided to include this exploration
as one of the case studies of this research (case 1) given that this dissertation is
centered on my understanding of the application of Process Work to panic
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attacks, and that my understanding is intimately connected to and influenced by

my personal experience.
Working in the middle of a group of people that one feels supported by is an

amazing experience. I felt held, supported and encouraged to step into the
unknown and go as far as I could. Working on my panic attacks changed my
relationship to them, over time. I still dread the physical sensation of a panic
attack. My first impulse still is to try to avoid it! Yet somehow now I experience it
as an aspect of myself that carries vital information for my well being. If/when it
comes again I am yearning to try to use its energy creatively: Dip my fingers in
paint and let them move on a large piece of paper, play the drum or whatever
arises in the moment, letting this energy express itself creatively.
My panic attacks have brought me in touch with my intensity, an aspect of my

nature that I am coming to accept and love and support more and more. The
wailing that arises in me when I am in pain, the roaring laughter when I am
happy, losing it and then coming back to my senses, the fire and the water, the
stormy ocean and the still sea. I have a dramatic nature! I can be balanced
through moving in and out of extremes, not through tempering my intensity.
Even more importantly for me, panic attacks have brought me in touch with my
yearning and tendency toward experiencing life as fluid motion, detached from
any one particular form. In my work (see case 1) I name this state of being love
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but the word does not convey in its entirety the sensation a wave-like motion
a wave endlessly changing shape, forming, surging, joining with other waves,
adding to and canceling itself out, disappearing, appearing in a new form In
disrupting my everyday minds need for and, in a way, addiction to, holding on to
one particular form, my panic attacks are attempting to make space in me for
experiencing myself living free from any one definition of myself. I understand my
everyday minds need for the stability of form, and appreciate and value what this
stability brings to my life, but I am also now more aware of my yearning and
tendency to experience life as fluid motion and detachment from one particular
form, and I appreciate and value what that brings to my life too. I am
experimenting more and more with trying to relax my everyday mind, notice what
is happening, believe in the wisdom of its direction and join it, letting it recreate
my life anew.
Yet another path of this journey went through the exploration of the creative
process; making music on the keyboard, singing, performing and painting. What I
refer to as my intensity found a way to express itself! Playing my guitar and
singing have always been ways through which a state change occurs in me.
Everything I sense and feel has a way to express itself and this leaves me in a
state of momentary emptiness." When a friend lent me her keyboard to
experiment with, it sat for almost a month before I switched on the power button.
The thought that I don't know how to play was keeping me from even trying until
a member of my committee shared with me her experience of jamming and how
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she had to actually overcome her music training in order to jam freely. As I sat at
the keyboard more and more, I began to witness my fingers dancing on the keys,
and listening to actual pieces of music emerging. I was amazed and frightened
by the experience. How could I be making music when I don't know how? Many
times, right when my hands were off on their own discovering the keys, I would
stop them, not being able to believe that they could do that. The more I could
keep my brain out of this process, the more my hands could find their way
around the keyboard. I realized that I hear the music in my head and search for it
on the keys. Sometimes, when I was exasperated with writing, I sat at the
keyboard and just let myself play and get lost in the sounds. When I got up, my
mind was in a different state and writing flowed again.
Exploring music in this way is helping me learn to let go; stop holding on to the
world as I know it and let it reveal itself to me in all its mystery. I experienced a
similar process with painting and letting go into movement. Thus, the artistic path
music, painting and dance was and continues to be for me a path that helps
me develop my fluidity of letting go of everyday mind and opening up to a source
both in me, around me from which things arise, and joining it in its creative surge.
My sense is that my panic attacks are an attempt to help me let go and allow
myself to be moved. In conventional terms, its a paradox. The more I am able to
let go into the unknown, the less I panic.
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The more I immersed myself in the study of panic attacks and exploration of my
own experiences of them the more people came to me to work on their
experiences of panic. Having explored more in depth my own panic attacks
lessened my fear, not only of my own experiences, but of other peoples
experiences as well. Panic attacks were more familiar territory now. As some of
the people that I worked with told me, this sense of familiarity and interest in the
experience of panic itself i.e., the perception of the panic as a carrier of
information as well as a disturber of the persons life created an atmosphere
that itself relieved some of the terror and pain that comes from the sense that
one is sick or crazy. It has been an honor to journey with other people through
these personal explorations. It has also been a gift: seeing the difference that a
change in perception can make in someones life has reinforced my belief that
the Process Work paradigm has a lot to offer in this realm.
This belief was also reinforced in the process of collecting the research data for
this dissertation by the research participants feedback on their participation in
the research project. The data collection involved videotaping people working on
their experiences of panic attacks with Dr. Mindell. The research participants
feedback after their individual sessions revealed that they had experienced their
participation as worthwhile and meaningful. This made my research all the more
meaningful for me.
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The last phase of this journey involved writing this dissertation. Trying to bring all
my experiences and thoughts together has been both exasperating and thrilling!
There were times when I was overwhelmed by the multitude of directions I could
go, and could barely hold all the ideas rushing through my mind. There are at
least five more research projects entangled in this one, waiting to unfold. I tried to
limit myself to presenting what was absolutely necessary for the reader to
understand, get a sense and a feeling of how an awareness facilitator trained in
the Process Work paradigm might approach panic attacks. I hope that I have
succeeded in presenting the material in such a way that is both comprehensible
and alive.
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CHAPTER 1: INTRODUCTION TO PROBLEM AND STUDY

Panic attacks are terrifying physical and intrapsychic experiences that disrupt the
flow of everyday life. Most people can somewhat relate to the experience of a
panic attack for, phenomenologically, it appears to be identical to the experience
of fear. Fear is considered by theorists (Izard, 1992; Ekman, 1992) a basic
emotion that is present across cultures and across species. It is associated with
the instantaneous flight-or-fight" (Cannon, 1929) response of the organism
which entails specific neurobiological and cognitive features. This response is
viewed by Cannon as an alarm reaction in which the organism is physically and
cognitively mobilized for action in order to protect itself from imminent danger.
The fight-or-flight response varies in intensity depending on the situation. In
Barlows1 (2002) view, growing phenomenological evidence supports the
equivalence of fear and panic (p. 107), suggesting that a panic attack is the
activation of the fight-or-flight response in the absence of imminent danger.
In other words, people experiencing panic attacks report experiencing

physiological sensations similar to those of people who suddenly find themselves
in imminent danger. Specifically, they might freeze or feel an overwhelming urge
to escape, experience shortness of breath or a sensation of suffocation, a racing,
pounding or palpitating heart, a feeling of dizziness or faintness, trembling or
David Barlow is among the preeminent theorists in the field of anxiety disorders. I found his
book, Anxiety and Its Disorders, especially helpful.
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shaking, sweating, hot flashes or chills, nausea, numbness or tingling sensations

in parts of the body, a sense that the surrounding environment or their own
bodies are not real, a fear of dying or losing control. The difference is that in the
case of a panic attack there is no known imminent danger facing the person who
experiences the attack.
Panic attacks usually have an abrupt onset and peak within ten minutes. They
may be associated with situational cues, such as driving over a bridge or flying,
or occur spontaneously, seemingly out of nowhere. They are features of various
anxiety disorders, as these are defined in the American Psychiatric Associations
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (American Psychiatric
Association, 1994), including panic disorder, social phobia, specific phobia,
posttraumatic stress disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder and separation
anxiety disorder. Panic attacks can also occur due to the direct physiological
effects of a substance or a general medical condition.
Panic Disorder and Agoraphobia

Spontaneous panic attacks can be followed by severe "anticipatory anxiety" a
persistent concern about future attacks, worry about their implications or changes
in the sufferer's behavior, such as not leaving home which can be as
debilitating as the panic attack itself and can become so intense that they bring
on a panic attack. Such a cycle is called "panic disorder" in the biomedical
paradigm (American Psychiatric Association, 1994) provided that the panic
attacks are not due to substance abuse or a general medical condition and are
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not better accounted for by another mental disorder. About one third of the
people who experience panic attacks develop "agoraphobia" "anxiety about
being in a place or situation where escape is difficult or embarrassing or help
unavailable in case of an attack" (Harvard Mental Health Letter, 2001, 2 What
is Panic Disorder).
Epidemiology & Human Costs

Data from the Epidemiological Catchment Area study (ECA), sponsored by the
National Institute of Mental Health and conducted in 1990, revealed that at any
given time in the United States approximately 6% of adult males and 13% of
adult females suffer from an anxiety disorder (Reiger, Narrow, & Rae, 1990). The
most recent estimates to date of the prevalence of anxiety disorders indicate that
they comprise "the single largest mental health problem" (Barlow, 2002, p. 22) in
the United States. In addition, data indicates that "anxiety disorders tend to be
chronic and to remain present in somewhat less severe form even if successfully
treated (Noyes, Clancy, Hoenk & Slymen, 1980; Yonkers, Warshaw, Massion &
Keller, 1996; Roy-Byrne & Cowley, 1995)" (p. 19).
Panic disorder in the clinical population.

A study of mental disorders in primary care settings sponsored by the World
Health Organization (WHO) reported a 10% rate for panic disorder with and
without agoraphobia and GAD (generalized anxiety disorder) in primary care
settings around the world (Sartorius, Ustun, Lecrubier, & Wittchen, 1996).
Studies in the United States report a lifetime prevalence rate of panic disorder of
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approximately 2% for men, 5% for women (Kessler et al., 1994). The higher
prevalence rate of panic disorder for women is consistently recorded in primary
health care settings around the world (Gater et al., 1998). This gender
discrepancy has been attributed by some researchers to cultural norms that
make it more acceptable for woman to report fear and exhibit avoidance behavior
than it is for men (Fodor, 1992; Pierce & Kirpatrick, 1992; Ginsberg & Silverman,
2000).
Hirschfeld's (1996) analysis of data from the Harvard-Brown Anxiety Disorder

Research Program (Keller et al., 1994) a naturalistic and longitudinal study
charting the course and outcome of anxiety disorders showed that only 17% of
patients with panic disorder with agoraphobia, and 37% of patients with panic
disorder, had attained remission in the 1-year follow up. In addition, relapse was
common among those who had attained remission. As Barlow (2002) reports,
analysis of data on chronicity and relapse from the same study, communicated to
him by Keller in July 2000, showed that the cumulative probability of symptom
recurrence for panic disorder was .65 for women and .39 for men, and for panic
disorder with agoraphobia was .75 for women and .47 for men. In summary,
though the prevalence rate of panic disorder with or without agoraphobia is
relatively low (i.e., the disorder is not very common) the chronicity and relapse
rates are very high and remission rates very low.
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The following complications add to the difficulties presented by the chronicity,

high relapse and low remission rates. Two-thirds of people diagnosed with panic
disorder present with comorbid disorders that include other anxiety disorders,
mood disorders, personality disorders, and/or substance use disorders (Harvard
Mental Health Letter, 2001, 1 Related Disorders ). Studies (Barlow, 2002) have
shown substantially elevated risks of suicide for patients with panic disorder who
present with comorbid depressive disorders, borderline personality disorder
and/or substance use disorders. Panic disorder is also associated with substance
abuse and dependence, particularly alcohol and cocaine. One study (Otto,
Pollack, Sachs, O'Neil, & Rosenbaum, 1992) shows that 24% of 100 patients
with panic disorder had a history of alcohol dependency. As Barlow (2002) points
out, studies show that there is no consistent pattern concerning the onset of
alcoholism relative to major depression, dysthemia, or panic disorder mental
disorders which often co-occur. Panic disorder can occur "either as a
consequence of alcoholism, or subsequent to attempts to self-medicate panic
and anxiety" (p. 15). Other studies (Bystritsky, Ackerman, & Pasnau, 1991; Louie
et al., 1996) strongly associate panic disorder to the use of cocaine. Apparently
the disorder occurs as a result of both long term use of cocaine and abrupt
cessation of its use. Lastly, panic disorder is associated with a higher- thanexpected mortality rate due to cardiovascular disease, especially among men
(Coryell, Noyes, & Clancy, 1982; Kawachi et al., 1994).
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Panic attacks in the general population.

Panic attacks are a relatively frequent phenomenon in the general population.
The occurrence of occasional panic attacks is also referred to by authors as
"subclinical episodes of panic" or "nonclinical panic." A study conducted by
Norton, Harrison, Hauch, and Rhodes (1985) and replicated by Norton, Dorward
and Cox (1986) showed that 34.4% of 186 and 35.9% of 256 (respectively),
presumably normal young adults had had one or more panic attacks in the past
year. The high prevalence of occasional panic attacks has been subsequently
confirmed by other studies (Rappe, Ancis, & Barlow, 1988; Salge, Beck, &
Logan, 1988; Wittchen & Essau, 1991)
Human costs.
Studies on the costs of mental health care in the United States (Rice & Miller,
1993) have shown that anxiety disorders account for approximately 31% of total
costs of mental health care. In addition to the costs to the health care system in
terms of money, anxiety disorders result in huge costs to individuals in terms of
loss of quality of life and loss of income due to their frequently incapacitating
nature. Greenberg et al. (1999), who conducted the most thorough study to date
on the economic burdens of anxiety disorders in the United States reported the
annual costs of anxiety disorders in the United States, in 1990 to be
approximately $42.3 billion. A detailed breakdown of these costs showed that
54% of the costs were associated with direct nonpsychiatric medical treatment
(i.e., utilization of primary health care services), 31% with direct psychiatric
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treatment, 2% with pharmaceutical costs, 10% with workplace costs (i.e., indirect
costs of lost productivity) and 3% with mortality costs.
According to the same study the greatest costs in terms of utilization of health
care services (both medical and psychiatric) and workplace costs were
associated with panic disorder and PTSD. People with panic disorder frequently
visit the emergency room and utilize psychiatric and medical services
excessively. They also have a high rate of unemployment (68% for women and
60% for men), and therefore financial dependency, compared to people without
anxiety disorders (Leon, Portera, & Weissman, 1995).
Standards of Care
The emerging standards of care for panic disorder in the United States include
treatment with psychotropic medications and/or cognitive-behavioral therapy
(Beamish, Granello, & Belcastro, 2002; American Psychiatric Association, 1998).
The administration of psychotropic medication is based on the biological model of
anxiety which postulates that anxiety and panic arise in response to a
neurobiological defect in brain function. The various hypotheses revolve around
the dysregulation of the various neurotransmitter systems; specifically the
interdependently operating noradrenergic and seratonergic systems and the
GABAergic systems (Ballenger, 1999). Investigations are also currently under
way in order to understand the influence of peptides on the neuronal networks.
The most promising potential targets for anti-anxiety drugs seem to be the
angiotensin system (AT receptors), the cholecystokinin (CCK) receptor ligands,
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the neurokinin (NK) receptors, the neuropeptide Y receptors (NPY), the

corticotrophin-releasing factor (CRF) receptors, the NMDA receptors and the
adenosine receptors (Stanford, 2001).
The treatment of panic disorder with anti-panic medication aims at eliminating or

reducing the panic attacks and the accompanying anticipatory anxiety, and
involves administering a high potency benzodiazepine and/or an antidepressant.
The most commonly prescribed medications in this protocol are the
benzodiazepines alprazolam (Xanax) , clonazepam (Klonopin) and diazepam
(Valium); the tricyclic antidepressants (TCA) imipramine (Tofranil) and
clomipramine (Anafranil); the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI)
antidepressants paroxetin (Paxil) and sertaline (Zoloft) (Preston, 2003).
As Barlow (2002) points out, the high potency benzodiazepines are effective,
work quickly and have fewer side effects than other drugs used to treat anxiety
disorders. The downside of their use is the physiological dependency that
develops with prolonged use and that results in withdrawal symptoms upon
discontinuation of the drug. Tricyclic antidepressants, especially imipramine,
have been proven to be very effective in short-term and long-term use, superior
to placebo and comparable to the benzodiazepine alprazolam though the latter
works faster. The downside of tricyclic antidepressants is their difficult side
effects (blurred vision, drowsiness, constipation, dry mouth, difficulty urinating,
dizziness, decreased blood pressure, weight gain) which make them hard to
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tolerate. The selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors are effective in reducing

symptoms and are better tolerated than tricyclic antidepressants. These drugs,
however, have a delayed onset of action (between 2 to 4 weeks) and many
people experience an initial increase in panic attacks during this period. Selective
serotonin reuptake inhibitors are usually administered with a benzodiazepine
initially in order to manage the initial increase of symptoms. Psychotropic
medications are effective in reducing and oftentimes eliminating the symptoms,
however, studies show that relapse rates after discontinuation of medications
range from 54% to over 70% (Otto, Pollack, & Maki, 2000).
Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) has also been found helpful in the treatment
of Panic Disorder. This therapeutic approach is based on models of anxiety
which postulate that panic is a psychological response (a phobic reaction) to a
set of physiological sensations (internal cues) mediated by distorted cognitions
(threatening appraisal of bodily changes). CBT has been proven to offer shortterm treatment gains similar to pharmacotherapy and to be more durable in its
effects without the need for ongoing treatment. In addition, the course of
treatment is short (12 to 15 sessions), it can be administered in either individual
or group format, and is a "highly tolerable treatment" (Otto et al., 2000, p. 557),
i.e., it has a much lower drop out rate than pharmacotherapy.
Purpose of the Study

Panic attacks are experiences which are widespread both in the general
population and in the clinical population suffering from anxiety disorders. They
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disrupt the flow of a person's everyday life and, depending on their severity and
comorbidity with other disorders, can have serious consequences for people and
their communities, including increased health risks, increased risk of substance
abuse and dependency, increased risk of suicide, loss of quality of life, loss of
social and occupational functioning, loss of income, loss of productivity and
increased health care costs.
The treatment approaches promoted by the emerging standards of care aim at

reducing vulnerability to panic attacks and providing effective ways to cope with
the disruptive experience. This is a very important goal as it addresses the
person's biological need for relief of symptoms which are distressing and which
theoretically can lead to brain damage (neuronal death due to excitotoxicity)
(Stahl, 2000, p. 128). This goal also addresses peoples psychological need for
regaining a sense of control over their lives and creating some distance from the
panic state, offering them a more detached point of view from which to view the
experience.
At the same time, these standards of care reflect the worldview that emerged
during the European Renaissance and that currently prevails in science and thus
medicine, which understands the universe as composed of material objects that
can be reduced to their elemental parts and operate according to cause and
effect rules which can be discovered (Radin, 1997). This worldview defines
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reality solely as that which can be perceived by the physical senses and
measured and tested (Mindell, 2000).
This prevailing worldview is currently being challenged by overwhelming

evidence of anomalies that has accumulated across disciplines over the past four
hundred years. Thinkers across disciplines are making new assumptions,
attempting to accommodate these anomalies, slowly creating a new story. These
new assumptions have a certain similarity to what some have called the
perennial philosophy the core tendency or common truth that emerges when
one considers all the spiritual traditions throughout the ages which have been
articulated in different languages (DiCarlo, 1996, p. 80).
Some of the elements of this new story are deep interconnectedness an

interconnectedness that embraces everything, unbound by the usual limitations
of time and space (Radin, 1997, p. 270); wholeness the universe is a single
whole within which every part is intimately connected to every other part (p.
266); consciousness as a spectrum the entire spectrum of states of
consciousness may be an important investigative tool, a window to other
dimensions of reality (p. 266); purpose the universe may be genuinely
purposeful and goal-oriented (p. 266); evolving consciousness evidence
points to consciousness either evolving along with, or being prior to the material
world (p. 267); mystical knowing, direct experience of reality reality is
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contacted through physical sense data and through inner, deep, intuitive
knowing (p. 267).
If one were to express in a sentence a core element of the thinking of people

across disciplines, which tends toward the reunification of science and
consciousness, spirit and matter, psyche and body, one could say, There is
more than what meets the eye! In other words, the reality that we (human
beings) perceive through our senses is a reality not the reality.
The purpose of this study is to elucidate and explicate a way of thinking about
and working with panic attacks that is complementary to the one proposed by the
current standards of care, a way which is based on a worldview of multiple
dimensions of reality; namely, process-oriented psychology's (or Process Work,
as it is also known) perspective on panic attacks.
Specifics of the Study

In this study I explicate the application of the Process Work paradigm to panic
attacks by presenting: a) a description of the process of investigating a persons
experience of a panic attack based on analysis of the six case studies that
comprise the data of this study; b) a series of hypotheses about the process
underlying panic attacks implied in and brought to the foreground by this
description; c) anecdotal data from my personal experience supporting the
direction of an investigation of these hypotheses in future research.
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This descriptive study presents my understanding of the Process Work paradigm

as I experienced it being applied by its founder, Dr. Arnold Mindell, in his work
with me (see Appendix H, case 1), and as I observed it being applied in his work
with five other people who had experienced unexpected panic attacks (see
Appendix H, cases 2 through 6). This is not an efficacy study. It is an anecdotal
study that may serve as a foundation for future studies investigating the impact of
Process Work on therapeutic outcome with people who experience panic attacks.
Any statements that I make about outcome arise from my personal experience.
My understanding is influenced by the biases created by a multitude of lenses

through which I am looking at my topic of inquiry. These include the lens of
someone who has experienced panic attacks; the lens of someone who has
found value in working on her inner experiences using the methods of the
Process Work paradigm; the lens of a trained process worker and therefore the
lens of the Process Work paradigm; the lens of someone who has studied with,
been mentored by and is a colleague of Mindell; the lens of a therapist who
works with people who experience panic attacks; the lens of a scholar and
researcher; the lens of my personal experience; namely, the experience of a 42
year old, White woman of Greek national origin and heritage, and middle class
background. The reader will find a description of the biases created by these
lenses in the methodology section (see Chapter 3, pages 80-84).
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In this study I adopted a dual role as researcher and research participant by

working with Mindell on my experiences of panic attacks (see case 1), and by
keeping track of my experience of panic attacks over the course of my doctoral
studies. Adopting a dual role as researcher and research participant gave me the
opportunity to bring to the foreground the viewpoint created by the combination of
the multiple lenses through which I viewed my topic of inquiry. The reader will
find a description of the strengths and limitations of this choice in the
methodology section (see Chapter 3, pages 86-88).
In the same section the reader will find a description of the research participants
familiarity with the Process Work paradigm and Mindell (four out of the six
research participants were familiar or somewhat familiar with the paradigm or
Mindell or both), and a discussion of the limitations and strengths of these
choices (see Chapter 3, pages 90-92). For greater transparency of my
subjectivity I have included a description of my preconceptions about the study
as those were noted both before data collection and during data analysis (see
Appendix A). In order to establish credibility in my study I have built in ways so
that the readers can make this judgment for themselves. A description of these
ways can be found in the methodology section (see Chapter 3, page 101-103). In
the same section the reader will find a description of the limitations of the study
(see Chapter 3, page 105-107).
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Process Work's Perspective on Panic Attacks

Perceptual Realms
Panic Attacks in Relation to Perceptual

Realms
Consensus
Consensual aspects of
Reality (CR):
neurobiological & cognitive
The reality consented to
features of a panic attack:
as real. The realm of time
racing heart, trembling, chills,
space, weight & repeatable
fear of dying or going crazy, etc.
measurements
These are investigated along with

the contextual aspects of the
panic attack.
Dreamland (NCR*):
Non-consensual aspects of cognitive
The realm of dreams
& neurobiological features of a panic
fantasies, feelings
attack: subjective experience of racing
& dreamlike figures
heart, chills, trembling, etc., fantasy of

going crazy, imagination of dying, etc.
Focusing on and unfolding these reveals
(*NCR = Non-consensus reality)
disavowed aspects of the persons nature
Essence (NCR):
Essence of the unfolded subjective
The realm of subliminal awareness
experience of the panic attack: the essential
that gives rise to dreamland &
quality of the disavowed aspects of the
CR, experienced as subtle
persons nature is a state of consciousness
tendencies, feelings, intuitions.
to be lived. When explored, it generates

insights on how to live everyday life, revealing
a needed direction for the persons life.
Figure 1: Panic Attacks in Relation to Perceptual Realms
This diagram is my adaptation to the issue of panic attacks of Mindells diagram titled
Reality Comes from Dreaming, in Dreaming While Awake (Hampton Roads, 2000, page 15).
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As depicted in Figure 1 on page 41, panic attacks are experiences that are
associated with specific neurobiological and cognitive features (such as a racing
heart, a shortness of breath, a fear of dying or losing control, etc.) These features
have consensual and non-consensual aspects to them.
The consensual aspects are those that can be perceived by the human senses,
measured or tested and collectively agreed upon. For example, the movement of
the extremities or the jaw of someone who is trembling, the heart rate of a person
with a racing heart, the gasping for air of a person who is experiencing shortness
of breath; the statement of a person saying that she3 is afraid of dying or losing
control; and also, the level of a metabolite of a neurotransmitter in the
cerebrospinal fluid of a person who has panic attacks, the area of the brain that
gets activated during a panic attack, the presence or absence of a specific gene
or the number of specific receptors in a person who has panic attacks, etc.
The consensual aspects of the neurobiological features of panic are associated

with the tangible, physical dimensions of the body; i.e., the body as an object
located in space and time. Mindell uses the term "consensus reality" (CR) to refer
to this tangible, physical dimension of reality which is collectively consented to as
real (Mindell, 2000, p. 25).
Throughout the document I interchange the use of female and male pronouns rather than using
both for easier reading.
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The non-consensual aspects of the neurobiological and cognitive features of

panic are the dreamlike experiences associated with those features which cannot
be directly measured or collectively consented to as real. For example, a
person's experience of the sensation of a rapid heart rate as a beating drum, a
person's experience of the sensation of tightness in the chest as a sense of being
frozen, a person's experience of the sensation of fear as a sense of being
threatened by his soul that wants to kill him, etc.
The non-consensual aspects of the features of panic are associated with

dreamlike dimensions of the body that cannot be easily located in space and
time. Mindell uses the term "non-consensus reality" (NCR) to refer to the
dreamlike dimensions of reality which cannot be directly measured nor
collectively consented to as real (Mindell, 2000, p. 25), and differentiates
between "dreamland" the realm of "fantasies, subjective feelings, dreams and
dreamlike figures" (Mindell, 2004, p. 17), and "essence" the realm of
subliminal or flash-like awareness that exists without reflection (Mindell, 2000,
p. 310).
These non-consensual aspects of the features of panic, when explored, reveal

entry points to the dreamlike dimensions of reality and the process underlying
panic. By closely tracking the intended and unintended signals of the person, an
awareness facilitator can help the person follow the momentary flow of
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experience (the process) as it generates itself, revealing meaning and insights

about the persons everyday life. This study describes in detail how one can
enter and track the process underlying panic.
An awareness facilitator following a process-oriented approach to panic attacks

values, appreciates and investigates multiple dimensions of a persons
experience, knowing that each entails a different viewpoint. Thus, healing
involves focusing on and investigating both the consensual and the nonconsensual aspects of a persons experience, aiming at helping the person
appreciate the viewpoint entailed in each, yet identify solely with none. In this
way the awareness facilitator helps the person develop, over time, an identity as
an awareness focuser, and a center around which the persons perceptions are
organized that spans the various dimensions of the persons experience. The
aspiration of this study is that the above statements will become clearer to
readers by the time they reach the conclusion chapter.
From a process-oriented perspective, all approaches to panic attacks are

important, as they are developing different ways of addressing the different
dimensions of a persons experience. For example, biomedical approaches
researching the neurobiology of panic, attempting to develop anti-panic drugs,
and cognitive behavioral approaches focusing on controlling or eliminating the
symptoms, do offer ways to address a persons needs in consensus reality, such
as the need to deal with the disturbance of her everyday life in a relatively short
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period of time, the need to regain a sense of control of his life, the need to gain
some distance from the experience, etc. The uniqueness and need for the
Process Work perspective, in my mind, lies in three areas: the redefinition of
reality as multidimensional; the valuing, appreciating and addressing of multiple
dimensions of a persons experience; and the development of methods for
tracking the flow of experience in and through multiple perceptual realms, which
can lead to the development of an awareness that spans the various realms.
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CHAPTER 2: LITERATURE REVIEW
Panic
Attacks
associated
with PD
Process
Psychotherapy
Work
Figure 2: Venn Diagram of Study
Venn diagrams, borrowed from mathematics, are oftentimes used in qualitative

research to help situate a study in the existing literature. Three or sometimes four
circles, each representing a general area of study, are interlocked. The space
they overlap forms a visual representation of where a study fits in the literature
(Schooley, 1995). As shown in the Venn diagram above, my study begins to fill
the gap in current knowledge by overlapping the areas of panic attacks
associated with panic disorder, psychotherapy and Process Work.
In this section, I review the approaches currently available for the treatment of
panic attacks associated with panic disorder. The critical review of these
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approaches and report on their known efficacy is not intended to set the stage for
a comparative study of Process Work and other approaches, or an efficacy study
of the application of the Process Work paradigm to panic attacks. Rather, it is
intended to set the context for a descriptive study of the application of the
Process Work paradigm to panic attacks. Currently there are no efficacy studies
of the application of the Process Work paradigm to panic attacks. This
descriptive study may become the ground for such studies to be done in the
future.
Standards of Care
Beamish et al. (1997) reviewed the latest research on the treatment of panic
disorder and presented emerging standards of care for its diagnosis and
treatment. These include a thorough assessment that rules out other mental or
physiological disorders; a substance abuse assessment; an assessment of
suicide potential; a comprehensive presentation to the patient of the advantages
and side-effects of the available pharmacological treatments, and a description to
the patient of the efficacy of the different treatment modalities. The last item on
the above recommendations, a comprehensive presentation of the efficacy of the
various psychotherapeutic approaches, is currently at best inadequate due to the
lack of outcome studies of the various psychotherapeutic approaches (Dittrich,
Houts, & Lichstein, 1983) and comparison studies among the various
approaches (Craske, 1999; Milrod et al., 2000; Milrod et al., 2000).
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In 1998, the American Psychiatric Association (1998) published a practice

guideline for the treatment of patients with panic disorder that put cognitive
behavioral therapies (CBT) and pharmacotherapy at the top of the list of
modalities shown to be the most effective in conjunction with psychiatric
management. The guideline indicates that other psychotherapies, such as
psychodynamic psychotherapy, are also used in conjunction with medication or
CBT techniques, as clinical experience has shown this to be effective for some
people.
Craske and Zucker (2001) critiqued the presentation of CBT in the APAs
practice guideline arguing that CBT is underrepresented in terms of its breadth,
technique, utility, and implementation of the treatment (p. 259). The authors
cited numerous outcome studies that showed CBTs efficacy, and objected to the
APAs recommendation of psychodynamic therapy when comorbid conditions
exist or when there is a lack of compliance with, or positive response to, CBT,
arguing that there were no outcome studies to support such a recommendation.
Finally, Beamish et al. (2002) presented a set of practical guidelines for mental
health counselors outlining the CBT interventions proven to be effective, and the
advantages and drawbacks of the available pharmacological treatments.
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Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT)

In the 1980s Barlow and his colleagues (Barlow et al., 1984; Barlow, Craske,
Cerny, & Klosko, 1989; Rapee, 1987; Rapee & Barlow, 1991), developed panic
control treatment (PCT) (Barlow & Craske, 2000; Craske & Barlow, 2001;
Hofmann & Spiegel, 1999), a cognitive-behavioral approach to treating panic
attacks, while Clark and his colleagues were developing a cognitive approach to
panic attacks (CT) (Clark, 1986; Clark & Ehlers, 1993; Clark, Steer, & Beck,
1994). Both approaches are based on a number of models of panic (Barlow,
1988; Beck, Emery, & Greenberg, 1985; Clark, 1986; Ehlers & Margraf, 1989;
Rachman & Maser, 1988) that view panic as a psychological response (a phobic
reaction) to a set of physiological sensations (internal cues). Panic, in these
terms, is viewed as fear of the body sensations of the fight-or-flight response that
has been falsely activated by stressful life circumstances, in physiologically and
psychologically vulnerable individuals. Physiological vulnerability is investigated
in terms of genetics. Psychological vulnerability has been investigated in terms of
cognitive distortions and catastrophic misinterpretations of the bodily sensations,
including believing that one is going crazy, losing control, having a heart attack or
dying. While these definitional models have differed in the emphasis they put on
the physiological or the psychological aspects of the disorder, techniques
emerging from them were combined to form cognitive-behavioral treatments of
panic disorder.
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The PCT treatment protocol includes psychosocial education on the nature of the
fight-or-flight response and the physiology of anxiety, through which clients learn
that the sensations they are experiencing are normal and harmless rather than
signs of physical or emotional breakdown; cognitive restructuring a process of
identifying and challenging anxiety provoking thoughts and beliefs; breathing
retraining the teaching of breathing techniques such as diaphragmatic
breathing; interoceptive exposure the systematic exposure to the somatic
sensations that occur during a panic attack to reduce fear of them; and
exteroceptive or in-vivo exposure the systematic exposure and confrontation
with agoraphobic situations to reduce fear of them. (Barlow, 2002).
The efficacy of the breathing retraining component of the PCT protocol has
recently been questioned by researchers (Schmidt et al., 2000). This behavioral
intervention is based on the belief that hyperventilation causes panic. In a recent
study researchers did not find this technique to be adding any clear benefits to
the various components of the PCT protocol. To the contrary, they found
indications of a correlation between having received breathing retraining and a
lower end-state functioning, which led them to the speculation that breathing
retraining may actually increase the risk for relapse or decrease the chances for
complete recovery. White and Barlow (2002) caution that conclusions about the
efficacy of each component of the PCT protocol cannot be reached before a
study is conducted that would identify and assess the treatment components that
each patient actually used.
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At the same time, highlighting a potential theoretical incompatibility in the use of

this behavioral technique in the PCT protocol, White and Barlow point out that
breathing retraining would be maladaptive if used during exposure practices as
a means of reducing or avoiding the panic sensations, for that would be an
attempt to keep a patient safe from a false threat (i.e., panic symptoms, high
anxiety) (p. 371). They explain that the technique is currently included in the
PCT protocol and introduced to the client as an experimental procedure in order
to investigate whether some of the clients anxiety symptoms are due to
hyperventilation. Clients, thus, are aware that if they are able to reduce the panic
sensations through the alteration of breathing, then this is strong evidence that
the sensations are predictable, manageable and harmless (p. 371). Once this
conclusion is reached, continued use of breathing techniques is discouraged,
and the emphasis is put on using this information to challenge and alter the
catastrophic misinterpretations about the sensations.
Numerous independently conducted controlled clinical trials support the efficacy

of various forms of CBT (Barlow et al., 1989; Barlow, Gorman, Shear, & Woods,
2000; Craske, Brown, & Barlow, 1991; Michelson et al., 1990), including the
briefer formats (Ct, Gauthier, Laberge, Cormier, & Plamodon, 1994; Craske,
Maidenberg, & Bystritsky, 1995) the self-directed treatment utilizing a manual for
panic attacks (Lidren et al., 1994) and CBT administered in a group therapy
setting (Lang & Craske, 2000; Otto, Pollack, Penava, & Zucker, 1999; Telch et
al., 1993).
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As Otto et al. (2000) point out, comparative studies indicate that CBT is as
effective as pharmacotherapy (the use of antidepressants or high-potency
benzodiazepines) in short-term treatment trials. These studies also indicate, the
authors contend, that CBT treatment gains appear to be maintained over time
(panic-free rates are reported to be above 80% at follow-up intervals of 1 to 2
years), in contrast to those of pharmacotherapy which appear to require on-going
treatment in order to be maintained (relapse rates after discontinuation of
medications range from 54% to over 70%).
Numerous studies (Barlow et al., 2000; Brown & Barlow, 1995; Mavissakalian,
1996; Otto et al., 1993; Otto, Pollack, & Sabatino, 1996; Schmidt, Koselka, &
Woolaway-Bickel, 2001; Spiegel, Bruce, Gregg, & Nuzzarello, 1994) support the
potential use of combination treatments; that is, pharmacotherapy and CBT.
Specifically, these treatments include benzodiazepines (initially to provide
immediate relief and/or to treat those who desire medications) followed by or
used in conjunction with CBT protocols (Barlow, 2002, p. 376).
Studies have also explored the efficacy of CBT in treating patients who did not
respond to medication. Pollack et al. (1994) concluded that the addition of 12
weeks of CBT was effective in reducing panic attack frequency in patients who
previously had not responded to medications. White and Barlow (2002),
however, warn that the positive findings of the research on CBT should be
interpreted with cautious optimism, because methodological differences across
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studies may misrepresent true longitudinal outcomes (p. 277). For example, the
various outcome studies that have been conducted lack a common definition of
the outcome referred to as panic free; in some studies this includes occasional
recurrence of panic attacks.
In my view, CBT techniques are potentially very useful in addressing a clients

presenting need for immediate symptom relief because they have been proven to
be relatively effective in the short term control of panic symptoms. I find them
potentially less useful as the sole available approach to dealing with panic
attacks, for they do not address issues of meaning, which is often a presented
need as well. By meaning I refer to peoples need to find the significance of
their experiences for their lives.
Paradoxical Intention
Paradoxical intention, a concept originally developed by Frankl (1984), was
introduced by Dattilio as a potentially useful crisis intervention technique in the
treatment of panic attacks (Dattilio, 1987; Dattilio & Salas-Auvert, 2000; Dattilio,
2001). A therapist using this technique would ask clients to exaggerate their
[feared] anticipations (Dattilio, 2001, p. 158). For example, if the clients were
afraid of dying the therapist would encourage them to allow themselves to die.
The fact that the feared event does not occur in spite of the invitation brings
about a realization of the irrationality of the fear, which diminishes anxiety. The
clients are encouraged to repeat this procedure in panic-evoking situations or
until they are symptom free.
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This method is recommended as an alternative treatment to CBT for patients

who experience relaxation-induced anxiety, or appear resistant to symptom
induction techniques, or have a history of cardiovascular disorders. Systematic
outcome studies of the use of paradoxical induction for the treatment of panic
attack have yet to be conducted.
Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR)

Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) (Shapiro, 1989;
Shapiro & Forrest, 1997) was developed by Shapiro for the treatment of
traumatic memories. Shapiro noticed that her eyes spontaneously moved rapidly
in an upward diagonal direction whenever disturbing thoughts came to her mind
and that subsequently those thoughts disappeared. She began experimenting
with making that pattern of eye movements while focusing on disturbing thoughts
and memories and found that they lost their emotional charge and disappeared.
The first trial study of the use of EMDR for the treatment of panic disorder
(Goldstein & Feske, 1994) supported further investigation of the approach
(subjects reported a decrease in the frequency of panic attacks after 5 EMDR
sessions). A subsequent study (Feske & Goldstein, 1997), however, showed that
treatment gains dissipated three months after the treatment, and subsequent
randomized controlled trials (Goldstein, de Beurs, Chambless, & Wislon, 2000)
concluded that EMDR should not be the first-line of treatment for panic but could
be used as an alternative treatment.
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Emotion-Focused Psychotherapy (EFT)

Emotion-Focused Psychotherapy (Shear & Weiner, 1997), as its theorists write,
was developed as an alternative treatment to CBT. It is thought to be potentially
beneficial for patients with panic disorder with comorbid symptoms, patients who
do not want to participate in a structured prescriptive treatment that requires
homework, and patients with residual vulnerability as indicated by the continued
occurrence of panic attacks.
This treatment is based on the hypothesis that panic attacks are triggered by
unrecognized emotions. Specifically, interpersonal problems, linked to a sense
of loss of control, or the possibility of being abandoned or trapped (p. 39),
oftentimes give rise to feelings of fear, anger, guilt or shame. When these
feelings are disavowed a sense of unease arises, which is often misattributed to
a physical condition, which in turn triggers the panic attack.
Using a reflective listening approach and supportive techniques the therapist

remains alert to indications of unrecognized negative emotions and attempts to
help the patient identify and process them. As the authors point out, transference
is not utilized nor are psychodynamic interpretations made; thus this approach
differs from psychoanalytic psychotherapy.
A comparative study of treatment results of patients with panic disorder treated

with EFT, CBT, imipramine, and placebo showed that EFT was more effective
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than placebo but significantly less effective than CBT or imipramine. These
results indicated that emotion-focused psychotherapy has low efficacy for the
treatment of panic disorder. However, emotion-focused psychotherapy may be
superior to medical management in helping patients stay in treatment (Shear,
Houck, Greeno, & Masters, 2001, p. 1993).
Psychodynamic Psychotherapy
The psychodynamic approach in the treatment of panic disorder is based on
Freuds psychoanalytic theory of anxiety. In his initial theory (Freud, 1895) Freud
explained the somatic manifestations of anxiety as a state of excessive neuronal
excitation of the body. In other words, he theorized that experiences such as
trauma or sexual activity were linked to neuronal excitation, which needed to be
discharged through motor or verbal activity. He believed that incomplete
discharge of such physiological excitation resulted in the somatic symptoms of
the syndrome that he termed anxiety neurosis. In his revised theory (Freud,
1900) he postulated that anxiety could originate from disturbed somatic process,
sexual excitation that was not discharged, and repressed libido. In his final theory
(Freud, 1926) he moved away from the physiological basis of anxiety, postulating
a psychological model in which anxiety was conceptualized as a function of the
ego triggered in response to the perception of danger a situation of potential
hopelessness originating from an internal (the id or superego) or external (the
environment) threat.
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Putting together all three theories, Shear (1991), one of the theorists and
practitioners of psychodynamic psychotherapy, writes,
Although Freud did not say so directly, his ideas are consistent with
the notion that the ego confers the quality of anxiety upon
sensations of physiological arousal that: (1) accompany the
perception of impending external physical or social danger, (2)
arise physiologically (from spontaneous autonomic activation,
drugs, physical illness), (3) occur in connection with other affective
responses (such as excitement, anger, or frustration). The reader
will recognize that these conditions are commonly accepted as
triggers of anxiety by cognitive-behavioral or biological researchers.
The perspective that remains unique to psychodynamic theory is
that neurotic anxiety is generated when there is an activation of
unconscious mental urges and prohibitions. Thus, there is a fourth
possible trigger situation, in which a stimulus directly activates
unconscious danger situations without an intermediary conscious
perception (p. 339).
As Shear points out, there are various forms of psychodynamic psychotherapy,

including brief psychodynamic psychotherapy a short-term, focused form,
exploratory psychotherapy a longer-term form of moderate intensity, and
psychoanalysis proper a long-term form of high intensity and frequency. The
author cites anecdotal evidence (Kessler, 1996; Malan, 1976; Mann, 1973;
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McDougall, 1985; Sandler, 1988; Sifneos, 1972; and Sibler, 1984) (p. 336), of
the effectiveness of these forms of psychodynamic psychotherapy in the
treatment of panic disorder, and points out that a systematic study of the various
forms of psychodynamic psychotherapy as treatment for panic disorders has yet
to be conducted.
Two forms of psychodynamic psychotherapy that were developed to treat panic

disorder have received attention in the last decade: panic focused
psychodynamic psychotherapy (PFPP) (also referred to as brief psychodynamic
psychotherapy) and intensive short-term dynamic psychotherapy(IS-TDP). Both
are based on the hypothesis that panic attacks are generated from unconscious
psychodynamic conflicts, and that identifying, understanding and altering these
conflicts reduces the vulnerability to panic.
In panic-focused psychodynamic psychotherapy (Shear, 1991; Milrod, Busch

Frederic N., Cooper Arnold M., & Shapiro, 1997; Milrod et al., 2000), these
conflicts are seen as often involving difficulty with separation and independence,
with recognition and management of anger, and with perceived dangers of
sexual excitement (p. 1879) Identification of the conflicts is achieved through
exploring the personal meaning of the panic symptoms and the circumstances,
feelings and thoughts surrounding them. They are also explored through their
emergence in transference and free association. The underlying conflicts are
altered in the process of working through the transference.
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An initial open trial of brief psychodynamic psychotherapy conducted recently

(Milrod et al., 2000) showed that the improvement in panic symptoms was
statistically significant and clinically meaningful, concluding that further research
is warranted. According to the author (Rizq, 2002), a single case study of brief
psychodynamic treatment of a woman who experienced mild panic attacks two or
three times a week showed that it was a psychodynamic understanding of the
complex aetiology (Amador & Johanson, 2000) of her panic attacks that
ultimately produced improved coping skills and a subjective sense of
improvement for her (Karon & VandenBos, 1981).
Intensive short-term dynamic psychotherapy(IS-TDP) (Davanloo, 1995;

Davanloo, 1999a; Davanloo, 1999b; Davanloo, 1999c) as its theorist contends, is
a powerful technique for overcoming resistance and unlocking the unconscious,
which enables the therapist and the patient to have a clear view of the patients
neurotic structure that is creating the difficulties, and work to resolve it. The
approach is described as a dynamic sequence in which the patients difficulties
and ability to respond to treatment are explored; character defenses are
identified; resistance is challenged through mobilization of the therapeutic
alliance to help the client become conscious of it and turn against it; resistance is
confronted, transference feelings are intensified, therapeutic alliance is mobilized
against the resistance and a partial unlocking of the unconscious is initiated;
transference feelings are broken through; a systemic analysis of the transference
is undertaken which resolves the residual resistance and enables the dynamic
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exploration of the unconscious. A detailed description of a case study of a man

treated with this approach for panic disorder offers the reader an inside view into
its application (Said, Rossi, Van Oyen, & Witt, 1998a; Said, Rossi, Van Oyen, &
Witt, 1998b). Outcome studies have yet to be conducted on this form of
psychodynamic therapy.
In my view, the psychodynamic approach offers valuable insights into the various
emotional experiences oftentimes entailed in the experiences of panic attacks. I
find these insights, however, potentially less useful, when viewed as the rather
than a potential origin and meaning of panic attacks, for such a view can hinder
open phenomenological inquiry into the individuals experience.
Jungian Analysis
James Hillman, a Jungian analyst and theorist, studied the ancient Greek God of
fertility, Pan, associated in Greek mythology with the emotional and physical
state of panic, writing an in depth analysis of the various archetypal aspects of
this mythical figure. In his analysis (Hillman, 2000) the author points out the
constraining nature of the monotheism of consciousness that denies the
existence of fragmentary autonomous systems and sets up conflicting
opposites between the beast and Bethlehem, between chaos and unity (p. 2).
He posits the need for the psyches return to Greece as a metaphor for Western
civilizations need to journey back to the imaginal realm, the realm of the
archetypes, and to an alternative polytheistic attitude that allows for the
coexistence of all the psychic fragments, and views panic as a conduit of this
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return (p. 2). Specifically, Hillman points out the irreconcilable conflict between
the ancient Greek God Pan (and its Christian mirror image, the Devil), and Christ.
He writes, Pan is the obstreperous, unruly goat; Jesus the Good Shepherd. Pan
is naked and phallic; Jesus circumcised, covered and asexual (p. 8) Pan goes
underground with Christianitys ascension. Spontaneity of consciousness, the
essence of Hellenism, gets marginalized. Strictness of conscience, the
essence of Hebrewism becomes central. The spontaneous phenomena of Pan
panic, sexual urges, nightmares are encountered moralistically. We are told to
fight the good fight against bad impulses (p. 9).
Thus, Hillman views panic, sexual urges and nightmares, symbolically, as Paninduced events that force us out of civilized habits, to a descent into the cave
(p. 9). For Hillman, these are the modes by which Pans music reaches us
today (p. 9), returning us to the realm of pagan imagination where there are
messages awaiting us. When we panic, Hillman writes, we can never know
whether it may not be the first movement of nature that will yield if we can hear
the echo of reflection a new insight into nature (p. 19). The manner in which
we respond to Pans revelation of himself depends, for Hillman, upon
Christianitys influence on our attitudes.
In spite of Hillmans detailed theoretical analysis on panic, my bibliographical

search did not produce any literature on the application of Jungian theory to the
treatment of panic disorder. In general, Jungian therapy aims at helping people
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gain insight into the meaning of their experiences, thus obtaining a new ego
position; one that is heading toward individuation and wholeness. In my view, the
value of the Jungian theoretical approach to panic attacks lies in its teleology.
Specifically, in the idea that panic has meaning and purpose, which can be
explored and revealed. This potentially addresses peoples need for the
exploration of the meaning of panic attacks.
Existential Psychotherapy
Existential psychotherapy (Yalom, 1980; May, 1950; May, 1958; Frankl, 1969),
influenced by existential philosophy, is based on the premise that deep
existential anxiety may arise from the conflicts between what life is and what one
would like or believe it to be. According to Yalom, existential psychotherapy is a
dynamic approach to therapy which focuses on concerns rooted in the
individuals experience (p. 5). It is designed to help people deal with ultimate
concerns about death, freedom, isolation and meaning, and alleviate the
accompanying anxiety.
Matheson and Elkins (1999) presented an existential model of panic and anxiety,
in which panic and anxiety are viewed as growth experiences, in the sense that
they are a call for the individual to explore the deeper meanings of her
existence and from this exploration create a more authentic, passionate, and
liveable life (p. 140). The authors report on existential literature that suggests
that anxiety is a signal calling the individuals attention to the presence of an
existential conflict. When confrontation with this ontological anxiety is avoided,
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the anxiety becomes neurotic. Neurotic anxiety is thus viewed as an attempt to

avoid the real problem confrontation with the underlying existential issues at
hand. From this point of view, aiming solely at ameliorating symptoms by
intervening either at the level of the mistaken and catastrophic thinking or that of
physiological processes may actually contribute and participate in the clients
neurotic efforts to avoid the real problem (p. 133) and result in ignoring
important messages inherent in the panic experience (p. 138).
Adopting an existential approach to the treatment of panic would mean: (1)

Looking for existential themes or patterns in the material presented during the
initial interview related to mortality, individuation issues, relationship issues,
and threats to ones identity or meaning system (p. 138); (2) doing a
phenomenological investigation of the clients experience of panic and the
existential meanings he or she ascribes to it (p. 139); and (3) accepting
symptom reduction as a legitimate therapeutic goal but focusing mainly on an
in-depth exploration of the existential issues underlying the problems and the
reorientation toward life that these problems imply (p. 140).
Randal (2001) presents a case illustrating the successful treatment of a panic

disordered client whose condition had deteriorated over the course of three years
of pharmacological treatment, and whose symptoms went into complete
remission within the third week of existential psychotherapy. The author points
out that treating panic disorder with pharmacological and CBT interventions,
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which focus on the physiological and symptomatic aspects of the problem, may
lead to overlooking the life context which gave rise to the disorder (p. 259), and
may serve to mask underlying issues like a Band-aid applied to a festering
wound that will only heal with deeper cleaning and some carefully placed
sutures (p. 266). A systematic study of the use of existential therapy in the
treatment of panic disorder has yet to be completed.
In my view, the value of the existential approach, like the Jungian approach, lies
in its validation of the symbolic reality of the experienced threat. This allows for
a phenomenological exploration of the individuals experience. However, I find
the predefined notion of the destination of this phenomenological journey
potentially less useful, for it can blind the therapist to discoveries that do not fit
that destination, and this way limit the phenomenological inquiry of a persons
experience of panic.
Feminist Therapy
Feminist theorists and practitioners re-examine psychological theories of
personality development and psychopathology with a focus on gender and point
out their inadequacies. Namely, their limited views of human nature; their
exclusion of the multiple internal and structural forces affecting human
development and functioning; their narrowly constructed definitions of mental
health and mental disorder (Brown & Ballou, 1992, p. xi). Brown and Ballous
analysis established that both the experiences of oppression and the sources of
resilience arising from structures of gender, culture, class, race, and sexuality
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(Ballou & Brown, 2002, p. xi) influence the constructs of normality and
abnormality, and challenge the very notion that distress and difficulty are
equivalent to disease or psychopathology (p. xviii)
Orr (1999) placed panic disorder in a historical context tracing the shifts in
psychiatric language and diagnostic techniques that resulted in its introduction in
1980 as an individualized disorder. She points out that psychiatry adopted a
cybernetic model of the central nervous system as information processing
apparatus, and has been targeting more and more specific psychic symptoms
with pharmaceutical treatments aimed at correcting malfunctions in the
communication system that supposedly controls the human brain and behavior.
Orr (2000) also challenged the very notion of panic disorder as a distinct mental
disorder, questioning the purported validity and reliability of the experimental
method (pharmaceutical dissection) used to identify and classify it by
highlighting the circular thinking it entails. As the author points out,
Pharmaceutical dissection is a kind of inductionism in reverse:
working backward from drug effect to syndrome, it reveals discrete
psychiatric syndromes as a function of drug response (Klein, 1967).
Panic disorder exists as a distinct and real mental disorder
because, in response to imipramine, a specific cluster of symptoms
disappears (p. 65).
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Fodor (1992) also placed panic disorder in a historical context highlighting the
social forces that had influenced its conceptualization and reformulation. She
examined the constructs conceptual predecessor in each edition of the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the shifts in
conceptualization that each entailed and the forces that had influenced those
shifts, and pointed out that that the differing conceptualizations over time reflect
the shift in membership on the panels, from a mostly psychoanalytic perspective
in the 1960s to increased representation of the behavioral, cognitive, and
biological points of view (p. 180).
Specifically, Fodor points out that in the second edition of the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (American Psychiatric Association, 1968),
agoraphobia (fear and avoidance of the outdoors oftentimes experienced with
panic attacks) was placed with other phobias in the category of anxiety neurosis,
and accompanied with a proposed psychodynamic etiology. In the third edition
(American Psychiatric Association, 1980), the psychoanalytic language and
etiology focusing on anxiety neuroses were discarded in favor of a more
behavioral point of view. A general category of anxiety disorders was created
with panic disorders and phobias as the main subcatecories. Agoraphobia was
placed under the subcategory of phobias, creating thus two disorders with
almost identical symptoms, one linked to phobic stimuli and the other triggered
by unexplained panic attacks (p. 188).
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Research was conducted subsequently to differentiate panic attacks from

avoidant-anxiety disorders, the results of which posited either panic or learned
avoidance and agoraphobic cognitions as central, depending on the theoretical
orientation of the researchers (biologically oriented researchers and
psychologically oriented behavior and cognitive researchers, respectively). The
revision of the third edition (American Psychiatric Association, 1987) stressed
biological aspects of panic disorder (heredity). Two categories of panic disorder
were created: panic disorder without agoraphobia, which was now the central
category, with the unexpected aspect of the panic attack as an essential
feature; and panic disorder with agoraphobia, with the agoraphobic symptoms
presented as deriving from previous panic attacks, in effect, ruling out
psychological causation (p. 189).
Fodor critiques the above formulations for their lack of focus on gender and its
meaning (p. 189). She also critiques the biologically based researchers and
theorists for not raising the question: What is it in womens experiences, beyond
their more (supposedly) anxiety-prone brains or nervous systems, that might
affect the production of the brain chemicals that produce anxiety attacks? (p.
189). Placing panic and agoraphobia in the social context of gender, the author
makes a connection between being in the stereotypic feminine role staying at
home, being anxious and non-functional, depending on a significant other (p.
201), and the symptoms of agoraphobia. She points out that agoraphobia was
not defined as a problem when womens prescribed role was to stay at home
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and not go out in the world alone (p. 200). Fodor contends that while womens
roles have changed in Western societies and women are expected to be out in
the world, they have to contend with the concurrent conflicting expectation of
put family first, a lack of familial and cultural support for these multiple roles,
and a society that continues to put up many barriers to womens achievement of
full autonomy over their lives (p. 201).
The author critiques the biological models view of agoraphobia and panic as a
disorder; that is as defective genes or constitutional predisposition to separation
anxiety and panic attacks (p. 198). Citing studies of other feminist theorists
(Meyer, 1987; Brown & Cash, 1990) that have shown avoidance behaviors to be
common in many women, she posits that agoraphobic-like behaviors exist on a
continuum, with panic disorder and extreme agoraphobia as the most extreme
variants (p. 198). The concept of a continuum entails particular circumstances
under which a behavior becomes extreme. Fodor accepts physiological
susceptibility (genetic predisposition) as one of the factors but adds socio-cultural
influences as another. Drawing on her clinical experience she contends that
women who experience agoraphobia and panic attacks are more likely to have
grown up in an environment (familial and cultural) that has facilitated
dependency rather than healthy attachments, has not provided positive role
models nor positive emotional support for independency and mastery, and has
not provided training in nor fostered coping and self-enhancing cognitive skills
(p. 199). She concludes that women who experience too much conflict or
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trauma out in the world may experience a sense of panic and desire to retreat at
home where they perhaps can still feel in control and retain a sense of power
(p. 201).
Based on the above she sketches a model for treatment that takes into account
the multiple stressors in a womans life, allowing for the possibility that retreating
at home may be, temporarily, a way to cope with societys conflicting
expectations. The goal of therapy in this model is to foster coping skills and
encourage cognitions that counter feelings of helplessness, dependency, and
lack of control over ones life [and] support the clients development and selfderived goals (p. 201).
By bringing into the discussion of panic and agoraphobia the socio-cultural

influences, Fodor attempts to introduce more holistic thinking and raise her
readers awareness of the effects of sexism on womens experience of
themselves and the world around them, and the possible connection of that to
panic attacks and agoraphobia. However, she at times falls prey to a more
dualistic and sexist way of thinking herself. For instance, the author writes:
The bad news is that some biological predisposition to
agoraphobia and panic may exist, with the family and society
reinforcing the avoidant behavior by promoting a traditional female
role. It may be easier for a woman in this kind of situation to stay
home rather than try to become independent. The good news is
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that this avoidant way of behaving is becoming more and more

unacceptable for a modern womans role. Furthermore, avoidant
symptoms appear to be maintained by the clients own cognitions,
which are adapted from the culture. We now know better how to
change these negative cognitions and to teach positive coping skills
to override anxiety and dependent patterning. More mainstream
feminists need to take up the cause of this large number of anxious,
helpless, mainly heterosexual, married women, for there is a high
risk of passing on this syndrome on to the next generation of
women (p. 199-200).
Avoidant behavior is associated with the traditional female role, which is deemed
bad or inferior for contemporary womens lives, associated with being out in the
world, self-sufficient, independent, etc. This thinking rests on a value judgment:
experiences of dependency, weakness, helplessness, anxiety, and fear are bad,
or inferior to experiences of independence, strength, mastery and self sufficiency,
calm, and courage. The separation of experiences into good and bad, inferior
and superior is itself dualistic. This dualism applied to gender roles impedes a
womans freedom to define her own gender. This thinking implies there is only
one right or healthy way to be a woman. In my view, the belief of any one way
being the right way or superior to another way excludes or marginalizes diversity
of experience.
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Additionally, making panic attacks or agoraphobia the defining characteristic of

the people who experience them and perceiving and labeling these people as
helpless misses the wholeness of people. It also misses the potential teleology
of the experience. The author posits the conceptualization of panic attacks and
agoraphobia as extremes of a continuum of common place avoidant behaviors to
replace that of disorder as biological and/or psychological dysfunction and defect.
Yet, I perceive the same connotation of pathology in the way that she talks about
these experiences as I do in their description as disorders.
The above criticisms have to do more with the way that the insights of feminist
therapy have been put together to form a whole, than with the insights
themselves. That is to say, I find the insights on the effect of sexism on womens
(and mens) experience of themselves and the world around them and the
possible influence on the experience of panic attacks and agoraphobia to be
crucial and potentially very useful in the exploration of these experiences.
Watkins and Lee (1997) suggest the use of a feminist narrative approach to
panic disorder and agoraphobia. In their article they highlight three components
of such an approach that could be effective for helping women with panic
disorder: (1) Avoiding the replication of power issues in therapy and facilitating
a trusting relationship with the therapist (p. 77). (2) Helping clients understand
their condition as a direct function of pathologizing forces in society rather than a
function of intrapsychic deficits (p. 78). (3) Actively promoting efficacy, self-
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confidence and personal power as the client is reauthoring her story (p. 79).
The authors point out that this reconstruction of meaning does not mean the
imposition upon women of alternative feminist accounts by the therapist but a
renegotiation of meanings (p. 80). Watkins and Lee conclude by suggesting the
integration of feminist narrative techniques with more established treatment
methods in order to maximize their effectiveness, yet acknowledging the lack of
and need for empirical investigation of the approach.
Process Work
Though much has been written about the Process Work paradigm (see chapter
4), very little has been written about its application to mental disorders
(Audergon, 1990; Audergon, 1994; Courvoisier, 2001; Goodbread, 1994; Ikiugu,
1994; Loeken, 1994; Menken, 1994; Mindell, 1988; Reiss, 2001; The Journal,
1994), and nothing about its application to panic attacks. Because of its centrality
to this study, Chapter 4 of this document is given to describing the Process Work
Paradigm.
Psychotherapy Integration
As one would expect, no particular treatment appears to be effective for all
clients. Moreover, no particular treatment strategy appears to address all the
needs of the same client at various points in time. Several theorists and
practitioners (Bohart, 1995; Dattilio & Salas-Auvert, 2000; Goldfried, Wiser, &
Raue, 1992; Watkins & Lee, 1997) have been advocating for the need and
usefulness of integrating aspects of various therapeutic approaches in the
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treatment of panic disorder, in spite of their origins in seemingly diverse and

differing theoretical frameworks or schools of thoughts. As Watkins & Lee (1997)
point out, psychotherapy integration entails the notion that human behavior is too
complex for any one theoretical framework to adequately comprehend, and rests
on the belief that one approachs weakness may be offset by another
approachs strength (p. 80). In addition, as mentioned above, different treatment
strategies may be needed and indicated in order to address a clients shifting
needs at various points in the course of treatment. For example, an initial
presenting need for symptom relief may shift to a need to explore the meaning of
the panic experience or to deal with relationship difficulties. Mental health
practitioners, therefore, are called upon to be well versed in the available
treatment options and to use their creativity to combine and tailor therapeutic
practices in order to address the momentary needs of their clients.
My Viewpoint
All theories are vulnerable to being misused by being reduced to fixed narrative
templates. That is, all therapists are in danger of functioning as pattern makers
rather than pattern finders, molding their clients emerging narrative to fit the
narrative templates of preexisting theory (Spence, 1982, p. 293). Used in this
way, all psychotherapeutic theories can hinder rather than facilitate healing.
Looking at the various approaches that I have described in this section, I find
each to be potentially useful when its conceptual framework fits that of the client,
and its area of strength addresses the clients presenting need.
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I use the word potentially because the areas of strength of each approach, for the
most part, remain a theoretical presupposition, supported by anecdotal evidence
in the form of case studies awaiting systematic empirical validation. Even CBT,
the application of which in the treatment of panic disorder has been studied
systematically, cannot yet claim a high level of efficacy that is maintained over
time in its stated goal and strength of symptom elimination. The search,
therefore, for ways to comprehend and work with peoples experiences of panic
attacks effectively (i.e., addressing peoples varying needs) is currently on-going.
This descriptive study aims at contributing to this search by introducing a new

and complementary way of thinking about and working with peoples experiences
of panic attacks: Process Works perspective. The Process Work paradigm offers
a lens through which one can look at panic attacks as part of a persons overall
flow of experience (process), which potentially carries a purpose and a meaning
for the persons life that can be discovered by tracking a persons momentary
flow of experience. I am making a switch now from setting the context of this
study to its purpose.
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CHAPTER 3: METHODOLOGY
The motivating force behind this research was a deep seated curiosity, a
yearning to learn more about panic attacks and the application of Process Work
theory to them. This was an area of practice that had not yet been clearly
articulated or put forth in writing.
My interest in the application of Process Work theory to panic attacks was

manifold. As someone who had experienced panic attacks I was interested in
finding out more about how I could work on my experiences using this particular
paradigm. As a therapist trained in the Process Work paradigm I was interested
in deepening my understanding of the application of Process Work to panic
attacks and developing my skills of working with people on these experiences. As
a member of the international Process Work learning community4 I was
interested in contributing to the body of knowledge of Process Work by
4
I use the term international Process Work learning community to refer to a network of learning
communities in countries around the world including, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria,
Canada, Chez Republic, Croatia, Denmark, England, Estonia, Germany, Greece, India, Ireland,
Israel, Japan, Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Russia, Scotland, Serbia, Slovak
Republic, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland and the United States currently affiliated
through interlinked web sites, e-groups conversations and attendance in training events. The
members of this community are certified process workers, people currently enrolled in a Process
Work training program, and people who are interested in the Process Work paradigm and attend
seminars and classes offered by certified process workers.
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explicating an area of practice that had not yet been clearly articulated and put
forth in writing, thus, supporting and forwarding the research tradition out of
which the paradigm emerged and through which it evolves. As a scholar
conducting research I was interested in contributing to the body of knowledge of
the field of Psychology by bringing to the foreground a little-known approach to
working with panic attacks.
To develop further understanding of this particular application of Process Work, I

decided to study the work of its founder and elucidate the method that he applies
when working with people who experience unexpected panic attacks, attempting
to separate the method from its original theoretician and practitioner. The
aspiration and goal of this study is to explicate the Process Work paradigm in
such a way that the reader can comprehend its basic premises and their
application to panic attacks.
Terms
According to the American Psychiatric Associations Diagnostic and Statistical
Manual of Mental Disorders, DSM-IV (American Psychiatric Association, 1994)
panic attack is
A discrete period of intense fear or discomfort that is accompanied
by at least 4 of 13 somatic or cognitive symptoms. The attack has a
sudden onset and builds to a peak rapidly (usually in 10 minutes or
less) and is often accompanied by a sense of imminent danger or
impending doom and an urge to escape. The 13 somatic or
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cognitive symptoms are palpitations, sweating, trembling or

shaking, sensations of shortness of breath or smothering, feeling of
choking, chest pain or discomfort, nausea or abdominal distress,
dizziness or lightheadedness, derealization or depersonalization,
fear of losing control or going crazy, fear of dying, paresthesias,
and chills or hot flashes (p. 394).
An unexpected panic attack is one in which the onset of the Panic Attack is not
associated with a situational trigger (i.e., occurring spontaneously out of the
blue) (American Psychiatric Association, 1994, p. 395).
Research Strategy
In order to elucidate and explicate Mindells method of working with people who
experience unexpected panic attacks I employed a qualitative research design;
namely, a combination of qualitative case study and heuristic research.
Qualitative research facilitates exploration and in-depth understanding of
phenomena (Patton, 2002). It is interpretive and naturalistic, in the sense that
researchers study phenomena where they naturally occur, attempting to
understand them in terms of the meanings people bring to them (Denzin &
Lincoln, 2000, p. 3). Furthermore, qualitative research involves an inductive
process; that is, researchers build toward theory from observations and intuitive
understandings gleaned from being in the field (Merriam & Associates, 2002, p.
5).
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Case study has an unmistakable advantage as a research strategy when a how

or why question is being asked (Yin, 1994; Yin, 2003). It is often referred to as
purposeful sampling (Patton, 2002) to highlight the emphasis on in-depth
understanding gained through the study of selected information rich cases.
Information rich cases are cases that provide useful manifestations of the object
of inquiry, the study of which will illuminate the questions under study (p. 46). I
chose case study as my research strategy because this would enable me to
study in depth Mindells work with people who experience panic attacks, in the
setting that it occurs, and engage in an inductive process to answer my research
questions.
I chose heuristic research as an additional research strategy because this would

enable me to utilize my personal experience by engaging myself in a full
involvement into the inquiry, exploration and discovery of the study. That is to
participate in the study itself by engaging in a process of internal searching
through which one discovers the nature and meaning of experience and
develops methods and procedures for further investigation and analysis
(Moustakas, 1990, p.9). In heuristic research the researcher is required to be
present throughout the process and make use of her experiences of self
awareness and self-knowledge" (p.9).
Type of Research
This study falls within a type of research called clinical qualitative research.
Clinical qualitative research is focused on learning more about a therapists way
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of practicing and thinking in the world (Chenail, 1992, Clinical Qualitative

Research in Family Therapy section, 11). This study also falls within a type of
research called discovery-oriented psychotherapy research (Mahrer, 1988;
Mahrer, 1996; Mahrer & Boulet, 1999). Discovery-oriented psychotherapy
research aims at providing a closer, in-depth, discovery oriented look at
psychotherapy phenomena to discover what is there to be discovered (Mahrer,
1988, An Alternative Approach to Psychotherapy Research section, 32).
Philosophical Framework
The interpretive framework, that is, the set of beliefs and feelings about the
world and how it should be understood and studied (Denzin & Lincoln, 2000, p.
19), that structures this research is the constructivist paradigm. As Denzin and
Lincoln write, The constructivist paradigm assumes a relativist ontology (there
are multiple realities), a subjectivist epistemology (knower and respondent
cocreate [sic] understandings), and a naturalistic (in the natural world) set of
methodological procedures (p. 21). My interpretive framework is also heuristic
research which emphasizes "examining and understanding how who we are can
shape what we see, hear, know, and learn during fieldwork and subsequent
analysis (Patton, 2002, p. 27).
The Role of the Researcher

In qualitative research, the researcher is the instrument for data collection and
data analysis (Merriam & Associates, 2002; Patton, 2002). The advantage lies in
researchers ability to instantly process information, respond and adapt during
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data collection and analysis, and thus expand their understanding, which is the
goal of this type of research. The disadvantage lies in the researchers
subjectivity or biases. Rather than attempting to eliminate them, however,
qualitative researchers engage in reflexivity the process of an ongoing
examination of what they know and how they know it attempting to identify their
biases, assumptions and expectations and observe how they affect what is
studied and shape what is discovered. As Merriam points out,
Peshkin (1988, p. 18) goes as far as to make the case that ones
subjectivities can be seen as virtuous, for it is the basis of
researchers making a distinctive contribution, one that results from
the unique configuration of their personal qualities joined to the
data they have collected (p. 5).
I am looking at my object of inquiry from the unique perspective of the

combination of multiple lenses. One of these is the lens of someone who has
experienced panic attacks. As such, I come to this research with the visceral
knowledge of the terror that engulfs one during such an attack, and the disruption
that panic attack brings in ones everyday reality. I feel and value the need for
symptom relief and alleviation, and tend to be biased in the direction of
approaches that offer that. At the same time, I feel and value the need for finding
meaning in my experience, and tend to be biased in the direction of theoretical
frameworks that also embrace a teleological and phenomenological worldview.
Lastly, having experienced the effects on my sense of well-being, I believe in the
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value and feel the need for theoretical frameworks that avoid conceptualizing
experiences as pathological. Thus, I tend to be biased in that direction.
A second lens through which I am looking at my object of inquiry is the lens of

the Process Work paradigm. This lens allows me to explicate the approach within
its theoretical framework, yet also defines what I perceive in terms of that
theoretical framework. As a trained process worker I come to this research with a
belief in multiple dimensions of experience. That is, I hold the belief that panic
attacks, like all experiences, have everyday reality aspects to them the
manifestations that can be measured and, therefore, agreed upon by all, such as
a rapid heartbeat, the sense of asphyxiation, etc., and dreamlike aspects to them
peoples subjective experience of the various manifestations that cannot be
measured and agreed upon by all, which when explored and followed can
potentially reveal meaning and direction for a persons life. As someone who was
worked on her inner experiences using the methods of the Process Work
paradigm (that is, someone who has experienced and found value in noticing and
focusing on the dreamlike aspects of her experience, allowing them to unfold and
reveal meaning and direction in her life) I come to this research with a belief in
the potential value of such an endeavor for a persons life. As someone who has
studied with, been mentored by and is a colleague of Mindell I come to this
research with an understanding of his concepts, ideas and work that is the result
of 13 years of proximity to the development of these ideas, as well as an interest
and inclination to learn from studying his work.
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A third lens through which I am looking at my object of inquiry is the lens of a

therapist who works with people who experience panic attacks. As such, I come
to this research with first hand knowledge of the effect of panic attacks on other
peoples lives as well as my own, and the effect of the application of the Process
Work paradigm on these experiences. Therefore, I also come with a belief in the
usefulness of the perspective that the Process Work paradigm brings to peoples
lives.
A fourth lens through which I am looking at my object of inquiry is the lens of my

personal experience; that is, the experience of a 42 year old White woman of
Greek national origin and heritage, and middle class background. I grew up in a
family that was psychologically oriented. My mother is a clinical psychologist. My
father was a psychiatrist. Both practiced as family therapists. I have a long
standing interest in self-growth. I value self-reflection, analytical thinking, and
learning. I tend to be biased in the direction of self-awareness. At the same time,
I am aware that having the opportunity to gain the skills to psychologically selfreflect and develop self-awareness is an unearned socio-economic privilege. I
value relationship and community. I believe that privileges need to be used to
benefit the whole. I tend to be biased in the direction of making psychological
knowledge and skills widely available. Experiences of discrimination in terms of
gender have given me direct knowledge of socio-cultural influences on personal
psychology. I believe that psychological concepts separated from social
awareness can become oppressive. I therefore tend to be biased in the direction
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of raising awareness on the interconnection between socio-cultural influences

and personal psychology.
Members of my doctoral committee questioned whether I could come into my

own authority by focusing my research on someone who has been my teacher
and mentor; yet, in my mind it was crystal clear that this was the path. This was
an area of application of the process work paradigm that had not yet been
sufficiently separated from its founder and put forth in writing. My training in the
process work paradigm had given me proximity to Mindell. This proximity, along
with my knowledge of the theory and practice of the process work paradigm and
my personal interest in panic attacks put me in a unique position to take on such
an endeavor.
At the same time, the questions my committee members were posing were valid
and valuable. Could I manage the complexity of the multiple roles this endeavor
entailed? Could I analyze Mindell's work looking at it from the viewpoint of a
scholar and researcher, focusing on my perceptions to make an original
contribution to knowledge, while also having the tendency to study the work from
the viewpoint of a trainee interested in learning from it?
I firmly believe my training in process work, which involved extensive learning in

multiple roles awareness awareness of the role from which one is approaching
another person in any one moment, for example, the role of a therapist, the role
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of a teacher, the role of a learner, the role of a friend, the role of a parent, etc.,
with a recognition of the simultaneous existence of multiple roles in all
relationships at different moments in time has adequately prepared me for this.
Discussion of all the above during a meeting with my doctoral committee helped
clarify my intentions and goals. I trusted my awareness, my analytical abilities,
my integrity and scholarly rigor, and had a vision of this research forming the
ground that would spawn future research. It was a pivotal moment of my journey
towards my authority when at the conclusion of the meeting I experienced my
committee acknowledging the value and the validity of my vision, and standing
wholeheartedly behind me, trusting my abilities to accomplish what I had set out
to do.
Data Collection
When thinking about the type of data that I could collect and analyze in order to
investigate Mindells method of working with people who experience panic
attacks, I considered various options, including videotape recordings and
transcripts of therapy sessions, post-session questionnaires for the therapist,
post-session interviews with the therapist, post-session journal of the therapist,
open-ended interview with the therapist after the conclusion of the analysis of my
data. I chose to collect videotape recordings of Mindell working with people who
have experienced unexpected panic attacks; I then transcribed the videotape
recordings and studied them. I decided to study this data on its own, rather than
combining it with data that would provide me with the therapists viewpoint of his
work, because I was interested in investigating my own understanding of his
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work and the unique viewpoint that would emerge from the combination of the
various lenses that I brought to the research.
Strategy.
My data collection strategy, therefore, was twofold. One part was gathering
observational data; that is, data representing firsthand encounter with the
phenomenon of interest (Merriam & Associates, 2002, p. 13) in the form of
videotape recordings of therapy sessions conducted by Mindell. The other part
was engaging and making use of direct personal experience; that is, having
direct contact with the phenomenon under study (Patton, 2002, p. 40) by being
one of the research participants; by being present and operating the video
camera during the sessions that Mindell conducted with other people who
experience panic attacks; by making use of the enhanced understanding of
Mindells work that my prior relationship with him (as his student, supervisee and
colleague) gave me.
The study of videotape recordings of therapeutic sessions is one of the methods

used in qualitative studies exploring aspects of the psychotherapeutic process
(Maione & Chenail, 1999). Studies that have used videotapes and transcripts of
therapy sessions as their data include but are not limited to a study investigating
Sluzkis narrative approach (Coulehan, Friedlander, & Heatherington, 1998), a
study researching solution-focused therapy (Gale & Newfield, 1992), and a study
investigating narrative therapy (Kogan & Gale, 1997).
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I considered videotape recordings of therapy sessions appropriate for

researching Mindells method of working with people because it would provide a
holistic view of Mindells work, capturing in detail the interaction between him and
his clients, including non-verbal communication; that is, communication that
happens through the use of the body such as facial expressions, coloring and
grimaces, the use of the eyes or gaze, body orientation and posture, sitting
positions, gestures, body contact, and movements (Collier & Collier, 1986). I also
chose videotape recordings for the possibility that they may provide, through the
replay of scenes, for in-depth reflection, which reduces the possibility of
premature inferences and conclusions (Ratcliff, 2000, Why Use Videotape
section, 2).
I was aware that a weakness of this medium was the large accumulation of data
which could become overwhelming during data analysis and countered that by
limiting the number of cases I recorded, as Ratcliff suggests. I was also aware
that my proximity to Mindell defined the data I collected. That is to say, a camera
person unfamiliar with Mindells work would have noticed and focused on
different elements of the work, and thus shot different videotape recordings of
Mindells work than the ones I did. This brings me to the discussion of my second
data collection strategy: having direct contact with the phenomenon under study.
Qualitative methodologists (Bruyn, 1963; Denzin, 1978; Patton, 2002) stand for
the necessity of the researchers personal engagement, maintaining that it leads
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to empathy and introspection thus, enabling full understanding of human

behavior. In Pattons words:
Immersing oneself in naturally occurring complexity. makes
possible description and understanding of both externally
observable behaviors and internal states (worldview, opinions,
values, attitudes, and symbolic constructs). Understanding
comes from trying to put oneself in the other persons shoes, from
trying to discern how others think, act and feel (p. 48-49).
Patton points out that such proximity of the researcher to the phenomenon under
study is antithetical to the distance and detachment of the objective observer
traditionally recommended to social scientists for its presumed reduction of bias.
He rebuts that presumption by citing instances where crucial insights were made
possible by the proximity of researchers to their sources of data, including Piaget,
Freud, Darwin and Newton, and cautions that closeness does not make bias
and loss of perspective inevitable; distance is no guarantee of objectivity (p. 49).
In the case of the data collection for this study, my prior knowledge of Mindells
method enabled me to capture on tape elements of the work which I believed
essential for studying it. In the context of a study aimed at explicating an
approach within its own theoretical framework, my proximity to the source of data
strengthens the design.
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Adopting a dual role as a researcher and research participant in one of the case
studies gave me direct personal experience of Mindells work, deepening my
understanding of it. In the context of a study aimed at presenting my
understanding of Mindells work, such a choice strengthens the design. At the
same time, my positive experience as a research participant increased my bias.
Including my work with Mindell as one of the case studies presented in this
dissertation provides for greater transparency of this bias.
Adopting a dual role as researcher and research participant also gave me the
opportunity to bring to the foreground the observations and insights regarding my
personal experience that arose from the combination of the multiple lenses
through which I viewed my topic of inquiry. In the context of a descriptive study,
such insights and observations can serve as additional (anecdotal) data.
To summarize, my personal experience of panic attacks and the value I have

found in exploring them using Process Work methods greatly influences the
understanding that I present in this dissertation. Thus, choosing to adopt a dual
role as researcher and participant makes use of this personal experience while it
also increases the transparency of its influence on my understanding.
Before initiating data collection I reflected on my preconceived notions regarding

the phenomenon that I was going to study and my expectations of the findings
that would emerge arising from my previous experiences of the phenomenon in
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my personal life and in my clinical education, training and practice, and I

recorded these in a journal which I kept throughout the data collection process
(see Appendix A). This provided me with a record of my expectations that I could
later compare to my findings and notice whether I had discovered something that
I did not expect to find. It also strengthened the research design by making my
assumptions more overt and creating a record of the evolution of my thought
process.
Sample.
For the purpose of this research I selected the sample purposefully to fit the
following criteria: a) The individual had experienced in the past or was
experiencing in the present unexpected panic attacks as defined in the section
titled terms above; b) The individual was willing to take part in this research
project, i.e., work on their experience of panic attacks with Dr. Mindell, have their
work videotaped by the researcher, and then transcribed, analyzed and used in
the researchers thesis.
I chose to make six such videotape recordings. This number of cases was large
enough to provide the needed diverse variations in order to capture a wide range
of methods that Mindell applies, and to identify important common patterns that
cut across those variations, while small enough to produce a manageable
quantity of data for in-depth study and analysis. In addition, this number of cases
fit the time constraints that I faced as a learner and Mindells availability for
participation in the research project.
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In terms of familiarity with the Process Work paradigm my sample consisted of

the following: The research participants in cases 1 (myself) and 2 were very
familiar with the paradigm and Mindell. That is, I, the research participant in case
1, had been trained as a process worker and was very familiar with Mindell who
had been my teacher and mentor; the research participant in case 2 had been
trained as a process worker and was in therapy with Mindell. The research
participants in cases 3 and 5 were somewhat familiar with the paradigm and
Mindell, in the sense that they had read some of the literature on Process Work
and attended a few of his or other classes at the Process Work Center of
Portland. Lastly, the research participants in cases 4 and 6 were new to the
paradigm and had never met Mindell.
In summary, four of the six research participants were very familiar or somewhat
familiar with the Process Work paradigm and Mindell. This potentially raises
questions about the validity of the sample. Had the purpose of the research
been, for example, to study the efficacy of the approach as it is applied to panic
attacks, such a sample would not have been valid for it could not provide
sufficient data to study the topic of inquiry. The purpose of this study, however,
was to explicate the application of the Process Work paradigm to panic attacks.
A sample of people who were mostly familiar with Mindell and the Process Work
paradigm could be seen as strength of the design. Specifically, peoples positive
predisposition toward Mindell could have influenced their sense of ease and
willingness to go into experiences that were unknown and scary. Peoples
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familiarity with using the paradigms methods to explore their experiences could
have influences their sense of ease and willingness to use these methods to
explore their experiences. Both the above could have influenced the depth to
which people explored their momentary experiences, creating the opportunity for
a fuller demonstration of the approach (richer case studies). This, however, could
also be seen as weakness of the design, insofar as the lack of more research
participants, unfamiliar with Mindell and the Process Work paradigm, might have
prevented the surfacing of difficulties of applying the approach and/or an even
greater variation of methods that Mindell uses.
The sample and its variation is too small to make any definitive statements
regarding the effects of the research participants familiarity with Mindell and the
Process Work paradigm on Mindells application of the approach, and the
research participants ability to utilize the approach to their benefit. Nonetheless,
the variation was sufficient to make initial observations that led to the formulation
of questions regarding such difference to be investigated in future research (see
Chapter 5, page 212).
In terms of gender the sample consisted of five women and one man. I had not
included gender as one of the selection criteria for the sample; when volunteers
began to appear I started the data collection process without thinking about their
gender. Halfway through collecting the data I noticed the preponderance of
women in the sample. I put the collection of the remaining data on hold, looking
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for more male volunteers. Time constraints, however, allowed me to delay the
completion of the data collection process for a limited time only. The
preponderance of female volunteers might be an indication of a reflection of the
epidemiological data, but the sample is too small to make any statements.
Table 1 below summarizes the variation of the sample in terms of gender and
familiarity with Mindell and the Process Work paradigm.
Case
#
Gender
Somewhat familiar
Not in therapy w/PW
therapist
Very familiar
In therapy w/PW
therapist
New to
PW
paradigm
Table 1: Variation of Sample in Terms of Familiarity with Mindell and the Process Work Paradigm
and Gender
Note: Abbreviations: F = female, M = male, PW=Process Work
Process of locating research participants.

In order to locate research participants I wrote a letter describing my research
(see Appendix B), and sent it to colleagues working at various mental health care
agencies in Portland, asking them to post it on the bulleting boards and show it to
people who might be interested in participating. Additionally, I distributed this
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letter to colleagues and residents at my internship site (a shelter for homeless

people with a dual diagnosis mental illness and addiction), and posted a
message about my research on the local (Portland, OR, USA) process work
community e-mail group. People who were interested in participating began to
contact me, and after checking that they fit the criteria that I had set for my
sample selection, I informed them of whether they could be included in the
research project.
Process of data collection.

Case 1 (my work) was videotaped in the context of a class that Mindell gave at
the Process Work Center of Portland on panic attacks. It is a recording of a
fishbowl demonstration of Mindell working with a class participant (myself) on her
panic attacks. The other five sessions (cases 2 through 6) were videotaped in
the context of Mindells private practice. I chose to collect my data in the contexts
of the above mentioned class and private practice because these were the
natural settings where the phenomenon that I wanted to study was occurring.
Mindell informed me of the times that he would be available to work with people
and once I located the research participants I set up the appointments. Before
the sessions took place I connected personally with the research participants, on
e-mail and/or the phone, in order to explain the details of the research project,
and sent them the forms that they would need to sign (see Appendix C & D) so
that they would have time to study them and ask any questions that might come
up for them. The day of the scheduled sessions I met with each research
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participant half an hour earlier in order to connect and establish a rapport. In this
time that we spent together I shared my own experiences of panic attacks, and I
also reminded them that they could withdraw their participation in the research at
any time, for any reason. I was acutely aware of the intimate nature of what was
about to transpire and was interested, above all, in protecting the therapeutic
container that we were about to enter together, thus helping make this an
opportunity from which the research participants could benefit. Personal
disclosure is recommended in the literature (Fine, 1998) as a way of avoiding
othering the research participants, i.e., collecting intimate data from them while
giving none about yourself.
The sessions were one-hour long, except the class demonstration (case 1) which
was thirty minutes long, and the session in case 2, which ended half an hour into
the session, with the therapists and clients concurrent conclusion that the work
had been completed. My work, which took place in the context of a class (case 1)
was videotaped by a class participant. The five sessions that took place in the
context of Mindells private practice were videotaped by me operating the video
camera. At the beginning of these five sessions Mindell invited me to share a few
words about the purpose of our being there and the process through which the
research participant had volunteered to be part of my research. Toward the end
of each session he invited me to share what was on my mind. At times, Mindell
also spoke to me during the sessions sharing his thoughts on the process.
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The first time that Mindell asked me to set the context I realized that I had been
thinking of my role during data collection as that of a non-interactive researcher.
In my mind, I was an extension of the camera, gathering information through
observing without interacting; yet, my mere presence in the room was an
interaction! My presence and the presence of the camera affected the interaction
between Mindell and the client. Experiments in quantum physics have revealed
that a particle is non-local, i.e., it is everywhere at the same time and appears in
one location only when it is observed. It is the act of the observation that makes it
locate. There is no observation independent of the observer. Though I knew this
theoretically, I kept slipping back into thinking of myself as an independent
observer who was invisible behind the camera and thus, was surprised over and
over again each time Mindell or the research participant addressed me during the
work, reminding me that I was present.
One of the ways that my presence could have affected the interactions between
Mindell and the clients is through a sense of pressure that the therapist and/or
the client perhaps experienced to focus on panic attacks, since that was the
agreed upon purpose of our meeting. The therapist and/or the client could also
have experienced a sense of pressure to perform in front of the camera. In
addition, my own emotional reactions to what was occurring could have been felt
by the therapist and/or the client and affected the unfolding of events. In all these
ways, the work would have had a different progression had I not been present,
and/or had I not had a camera.
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In future research projects I would include an audio recording device or an

external microphone on the camera in order to capture a clearer sound. I would
also include a second camera so that one camera can record the image of both
the client and the therapist, in order to capture their interaction, while the second
camera can zoom in on the therapist or the client, in order to capture the details
of their facial expressions. Having just one camera, I had to make swift decisions
about when to zoom in to capture details of one person, sacrificing the larger
picture, and when to zoom out to capture an image of both people, sacrificing the
capture of details. Thus, the choices that I made during videotaping influenced
what I later studied. In these recordings, I chose to sacrifice the details more
often than the larger picture having in mind the purpose of the study, which was
the therapists way of working.
Being present in these sessions was a very touching experience. I felt honored to
be a part of the intimate processes that unfolded before me, and to be trusted
with such personal material. Feedback from the research participants after their
sessions revealed that they experienced their participation as worthwhile and
meaningful. This made my doctoral research all the more meaningful for me.
Data Analysis
After I collected the data I proceeded to transcribe the six videotaped sessions
verbatim in their entirety (see Appendix H). I did the transcription in multiple
viewings in which I transcribed a) the verbal content and b) the non-verbal
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signals pauses, silences, tone of voice, postures, gestures, movements, body

contact. For the transcription I used my word processing program and set the
margins to divide each page in half, noting both the verbal content and the
nonverbal signals on the left column, and my thoughts and observations on the
right column. In the transcription, names of people and places were altered or
deleted to protect the anonymity of the research participants.
Epistemological stance.
Several perspectives influenced how I approached my data; namely, the
perspectives of the constructivist paradigm, discovery-oriented psychotherapy
research, and the Process Work paradigm. Approaching my data from a
constructivist perspective I embraced the notion that meaning is constructed by
an observer (researcher) and that it is context dependent (Maione, 1997, Choice
6 section, 2). As Maione suggests, rather than striving to be an objective
observer in search of absolute truths, I adopted the stance that I was part of what
I was researching, interested in what I could discover through adopting a dual
role as researcher and research-participant. Approaching my data from a
discovery-oriented perspective I was sensitive to what was discoverable (Mahrer
& Boulet, 1999) that is, I was open to what was new in the data, to what was
surprising, challenging, hard to grasp, organize and explain. Approaching my
data from a Process Work perspective I adopted a phenomenological stance
noticing the flow of events, and making sensory grounded observations (i.e.,
noticing verbal and nonverbal communication signals).
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Strategy.
As Stake points out, case study is not a methodological choice but a choice of
what is to be studied. (Stake, 2000, p. 435). It can be studied in a variety of
ways. I chose to study it in the following way. A first level of analysis of my data
entailed looking at each of the six cases as unique, studying and analyzing it to
capture its details and understand its complexities. As Patton points out (2002),
The initial focus on full understanding of the individual cases. helps ensure
that emergent categories and discovered patterns are grounded in specific cases
and their contexts (Glasser and Strauss, 1967) (p. 57).
The analysis of each case was based on a combination of deductive and

inductive analysis. Deductive analysis involves analyzing the data according to
an existing framework (Patton, 2002, p. 453). Inductive analysis involves
discovering patterns, themes and categories in ones data (Patton, 2002, p.
453). Specifically, I immersed myself in the details and specifics of the data,
examining it in terms of the existing framework of the Process Work theory and
the points of focus that I had derived from it, while simultaneously striving to look
at the data anew for undiscovered, emergent understandings of what it was that
the therapist was doing while working with the clients. A second level of analysis
entailed cross-case analysis; that is, comparing cases looking for common
patterns since, "any common patterns that emerge from great variation are of
particular interest and value in capturing the core experiences and central,
shared dimensions of a setting or phenomenon" (Patton, 2002, p. 234). A third
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level of analysis entailed comparing my findings to my expectations of what I

would find, checking to see that my preconceived notions had not led me to a
"premature narrowing of focus" (Chenail & Maione, 1997, Clinical Qualitative
Research and Sensemaking 3).
My Thought Process
When I was designing the research, I created the following tentative list of points
of focus for my data analysis:
The interventions that Mindell uses. For example, asking the client to
describe her experience of a panic attack, suggesting to the client he notice
and focus on his body experience, etc.
The skills that Mindell applies. For example, noticing the process structure,
i.e., noticing what is primary (what is closer to the clients awareness) and
what is secondary (what is further away from the clients awareness), what
sensory channels (visual, auditory, proprioceptive body feeling, kinesthetic
movement) are occupied (by the clients awareness and connected to
the primary process) and which are unoccupied (not used with awareness
and connected to the secondary process).
The metaskills the attitudes and feelings, which permeate Mindells work
(Mindell, 1995) underlying the skills that he applies. For example,
approaching the clients experience with a beginners mind, i.e., letting go
of preconceived ideas about the clients experience, viewing it with
openness and curiosity as something mysterious and unknown, which is to
be discovered.
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The role of the clients feedback in his decision about which way to work
with the client.
Mindells use of his inner experience as a source of information about the

process.
Mindells use of his clinical experience as a therapist as a resource to feel

into the experiences of his clients.
After transcribing the sessions I looked at my observations and thoughts (see

Appendix G) and realized that I was commenting on multiple levels and/or
aspects of the work including:
The levels of reality that were being investigated (consensus reality,

dreamland, essence)
The phase of the work (investigating medical aspect of symptoms, eliciting

subjective experience of panic, entering dreamland, unfolding, etc)
The structure of the process (intended and unintended signals, edges,

channels, etc)
Mindells interventions and the persons feedback
Thus, I began grouping these observations in the above four categories; namely,
level, phase, structure, interaction. I later combined structure and interaction into
"procession of work." During the cross-case analysis phase I began to see the
"phase" category as a possible way of describing the approach and differentiated
nine phases which I described using the term "steps." I then realized that each of
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the nine steps could also be described in terms of the level of reality that each
addresses and proceeded to describe the nine steps in relation to the three
levels of reality Mindell differentiates. Subsequently I began to describe each
step and illustrate it with material from the case studies.
When I finished describing the fourth step, I created a table listing all the possible
entry points to the dreamlike background to the experience of panic that I
discerned emerging from people's descriptions of their personal experiences of
panic attacks. Studying that table I saw that the various entry points could be
grouped into three categories, each representing a possible route of unfolding a
person's subjective experience of the panic attacks. In an attempt to describe
each route in a comprehensible way I began a process of abstraction that led me
to rediscovery of a basic principle underlying the unfolding of all processes. Thus,
I proceeded to describe this basic principle and its application in each of the
three routes of unfolding the experience of panic that were revealed in the data.
Evaluative Criteria
As Patton (2002) points out, criteria used for assessing the credibility of
constructivist inquiry are dependability (i.e., the extent to which the researcher
systematically follows a systematic process), authenticity (i.e., the extent to
which the researcher owns and is reflective about her or his own voice and
perspective, appreciates the perspective of others and depicts the world
authentically in all its complexity) and acknowledgement of subjectivity (i.e., the
extent to which the researcher discusses and takes into account her or his
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biases) (p. 546). In addition, as Maione (1997) points out, in clinical qualitative
studies researchers frequently share the responsibility of assessing the credibility
of a study by building into their study ways that readers can make that judgment
for themselves.
I have attempted to establish credibility in my study in the following ways:
I reflected on my biases as these relate to the various lenses through

which I am looking at this study and included this discussion in the section
above titled The Role of the Researcher.
I included my own work on my experiences of panic attacks as part of the

data, providing a direct view into the influences of these experiences and
my exploration on them on the understanding presented in this study.
Before initiating the data collection process, I reflected on my

preconceived notions regarding the phenomenon that I was going to study
and my expectations of the findings that would emerge, arising from my
previous experiences of the phenomenon in my personal life and in my
clinical education, training and practice. I recorded these and made them
available to the reader in the form of an Appendix for greater
transparency.
I viewed the videotapes multiple times, checking the accuracy of the

transcriptions.
During the data analysis I recorded my thinking throughout the coding

process noting the theory-derived codes with which I began my analysis,
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the data-derived codes as those emerged from the data, the evolution of
the codes into broader categories as well as how I came to my findings
and included this information in the methodology section for greater
transparency. Thus, readers can easily come to their own conclusions
regarding any inconsistencies in my thinking.
I addressed visibility (i.e., the extent to which others have access to the
original data of a study) and shared responsibility for the assessment of
the credibility of my study with the readers by including the transcripts of
the videotaped sessions that I studied as an appendix (see Appendix H).
This allows readers to come to their own conclusions regarding my
findings but also, as Stake (2002) points out, to reconstruct the knowledge
by making their own connections thus, increasing the likelihood of it being
personally useful.
Human Subject Protection

My doctoral committee served the function of an Internal Review Board,
reviewing and approving the design for this research. Their approval signified
their agreement that my research design was in accordance with the principles
and ethical standards set forth by the National Commission for the Protection of
Human Subjects of Biomedical and Behavioral Research in its report Ethical
Principles and Guidelines for the Protection of Human Subjects in Research
(The Belmont Report, 1979).
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All videotape recordings of individuals working on their experience of panic

attacks with Mindell were made only after the individuals involved had been
adequately informed about the research and signed a consent form. Individuals
considering being part of this research were informed about the research, its
purpose, the anticipated benefits and risks associated with participating in the
research, the measures that would be taken to minimize these risks, the fact that
participation was voluntary and withdrawal from the research possible at any
time, as well as the way in which they could contact me to provide answers to
their questions. The individuals who decided to participate in the research
provided their voluntary and informed consent by signing the consent form.
Mindell agreed to give me permission (see Appendix E) to use the videotape
recordings for the purpose of this research. Mindell also gave me permission to
give the research participants a copy of the videotape recording of their work
after signing a viewing agreement form (see Appendix F).
Ethical Dilemmas
In thinking about how the research process could affect the research participants
the following issue came up. The research design involved data collection in the
context of a private practice. That is, the interactions to be studied were going to
be therapeutic interactions between a practitioner volunteering for the purposes
of this research to be the therapist and individuals volunteering for the purposes
of this research to be his clients. In order to protect the integrity of the therapeutic
context and ensure the welfare of the research participants, priority was assigned
to the therapeutic function of the data collection sessions rather than their
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research function. This was done in a number of ways. One was through written
agreements between the researcher and the individuals volunteering as clients
that gave the research participants the right to withdraw from the research at any
time. Another was through an unspoken agreement between the researcher and
Mindell, implied by and implemented through their adherence to common ethical
guidelines as process workers, that the therapists responsibility was, first and
foremost, to serve to the best of his abilities the well-being of his client. Thus, in
one instance, for example, when sensitive issues came to the foreground, both
the therapist and the researcher reminded the person that she could withdraw
her participation from the research at any time or request that an entire sequence
of her work be omitted from the transcript so that she felt free to go deeper into
the issues at hand.
Limitations of the Study

This study is not an attempt to either substantiate Process Works approach to
working with panic attacks or evaluate its efficacy. It is a descriptive study of
Process Works approach to unexpected panic attacks, attempting to elucidate
the method within its own theoretical framework. This study did not include
people who experienced situationally bound or situationally predisposed panic
attacks. That is, there may be differences in the way that one would unfold these
experiences that are not detectable by this study. Moreover, this study focused
solely on the beginning phase of the work entailed in working with people who
experience unexpected panic attacks, and does not describe the phase of
helping them integrate the information that is revealed. Finally, this study did not
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examine possible differences in working with people who are familiar and people
who are unfamiliar with the approach, nor the possible difference in working with
men and women. This study, therefore, does not claim to be a complete
description of Process Works approach to panic attacks.
This study did not examine panic attacks through the lens of gender. Though the
preponderance of women in the sample brings to mind the epidemiological
statistics, the sample itself is too small to make any statements regarding the
seeming gender gap.
Being a process worker I have a preference for the paradigm. Indeed, it is my

desire to make the perspective that this approach offers more widely known and
more readily accessible, so that any practitioner working with peoples' panic
attacks may choose to use and/or integrate these methods. Having studied
Process Work has influenced my perceptual mode; I have viewed Mindells work
from within its perceptual framework. While this is a limitation, I also perceive it
as strength, for it is having this perceptual framework that enabled me to discern
and explicate what Mindell is doing when working with people who have
experienced panic attacks.
Adopting a dual role as researcher and research participant in one of the case
studies (case 1) created a limitation, yet also strengthened the design of this
particular research: My positive experience during the work with Mindell
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increased my positive bias for the approach. Moreover, gaining direct experience
of Mindells work added the perceptual lens of the client, giving me a deeper
understanding of it. That is to say, experiencing the effects of the various
interventions that Mindell used gave me an understanding of their importance
and function in the process of unfolding an experience of panic, from the
perspective of the one who is unfolding that experience. This made for a better
explication of the approach. Additionally, adopting a dual role as researcher and
research participant gave me the opportunity to utilize my personal experience as
an additional source of data, helping me identify areas of future research.
My perception is influenced by the lens of my personal experiences, which

include the experiences of panic attacks, as well as having found value in
exploring my experiences using Process Work methods. Including my work with
Mindell as one of the case studies presented in this dissertation provides for
greater transparency of my biases. That is, it offers readers a direct view into
experiences that influenced my perception and thinking, enabling them to come
to their own conclusions regarding the understanding I present. Nonetheless, my
subjectivity is also a limitation. There were no readers or coders, who were nave
about my preconceptions, involved in the analysis of the data. This study reflects
my understanding of Mindells work, which might differ from Mindells
understanding of his work, or other peoples understanding of this work.
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Contribution to Knowledge
This study is making an original contribution to the body of knowledge of the field
of psychology by elucidating and explicating an essentially little-known approach
to panic attacks. Furthermore, it is making an original contribution to the body of
knowledge of process-oriented psychology, in the area of its application to
extreme states of consciousness, by explicating an area of practice that has not
yet been articulated and put forth in writing. This deepens the understanding of
the theory and the application of Process Work, and helps separate the approach
from its original theoretician and practitioner. Also, this study is making an
original contribution to the body of knowledge on panic attacks by providing the
unique viewpoint on the phenomenon of panic and its treatment via
psychotherapy of the combined lenses of a person's own experiences of panic
attacks, her studies on the biomedical and the various psychotherapeutic
approaches to panic attacks, and her training in the Process Work paradigm.
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CHAPTER 4: THE PROCESS WORK PARADIGM

Process work is an evolving, interdisciplinary approach supporting individuals,
relationships and organizations to discover themselves. It is a multileveled
awareness practice through which one can trackpsychological and physical
processes that illuminate and possibly resolve inner, relationship, team, and
world issues (Mindell & Mindell, 2004). The Taoist principle of process or flow
or change or following the Tao (Mindell, 1985, p. 90) or observing and
following the natural patterns and movements of nature (Mindell, 1995, p. 58) is
central in Process Work. Process workers are in essence awareness
practitioners. They use various forms of awareness to track processes, be it their
own, an individuals, a couples or a groups.
Levels of Reality
Mindell differentiates among three levels of
reality (dimensions of experience, realms of
CR
Dreamland
perception) which he links to three dimensions

of awareness. As depicted in Figure 3, these
levels of reality are: consensus reality (Mindell,
Essence
Figure 3: Levels of Reality
2000b, p. 25) the everyday reality that is

consented to by science and most people as
real, and is experienced as perception of time, space, weight and repeatable

measurements (Mindell, 2004, p. 17); dreamland a dreamlike reality that is
experienced as perception of fantasies, subjective feelings, dreams and
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dreamlike figures (p. 17), and essence the realm of subliminal or flash-like
awareness that exists without reflection" (Mindell, 2000b, p. 310) that gives rise
to dreamland and consensus reality and is experienced as perception of subtle
tendencies (Mindell, 2004, p. 17), "vague feelings and intuitions that can barely
be verbalized" (Mindell, 2000a, p.15).
Suppositions of the Process Work Paradigm

It is beyond the scope of this study to explicate the several notable theoretical
parallels that Mindell makes between the arising or unfolding of subliminal
awareness into dreamlike experiences and everyday reality: the Australian
aboriginal concept of Dreamtime as the root and essential power from which
everything else comes (Mindell, 2000a, p. 8); the process of observation in
quantum physics (wherein the wave function is collapsed so that an electron that
can be any place before it is measured appears more or less located in one spot)
(Mindell, 2000b, p. 177-190); the process of conjugation in math (wherein a
complex number, i.e., a number that has both real and imaginary numbers,
multiplied by its mirror image results in a real number and through which the
wave function is collapsed) (p.191-201); and the Buddhist analysis of the process
of perception (that differentiates between 17 and 45 distinct moments in the
process of observation through which an arising from an undifferentiated whole is
perceived by an I) (Mindell, 2000a, p. 46-52).
For my purpose it is sufficient to say that in making these theoretical parallels,

Mindell suggests that in order to understand the currently unexplainable non110
consensual processes involved in the above mentioned processes, science

needs to assume an additional principle; namely, the tendency of nature to
reflect upon itself (Mindell, 2000b, p. 188). Mindell suggests that the basic
substance of the Universe is subliminal or flash-like awareness" (p. 310) that
has a tendency to reflect upon itself.
Assuming this, he postulates that observation or consciousness (the realms of

consensus reality and dreamland) arise through a process of autonomous
reflection of subliminal awareness (the realm of essence). In other words,
subliminal awareness is autonomously reflected as a function of the selfreflecting tendency of the Universe promoting itself to consciousness/concrete
reality.
Mindell maintains that this autonomous reflecting process can be either

marginalized or engaged, depending on whether a person marginalizes or
focuses on and tracks the non-consensual aspects of her experience. When the
autonomous self-reflecting process is marginalized, one is aware solely of the
realm of consensus reality, feeling cut off from a deeper aspect of oneself and
experiencing life as a series of disturbances. When the autonomous selfreflecting process is joined, however, one is aware of multiple perceptual
dimensions and experiences oneself as co-creating ones own everyday reality.
The application of the Process Work paradigm, i.e., the awareness practice of
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tracking the flow of experience from consensus reality through dreamland to the
essence and vice versa, is based on the above postulations.
Forms of Awareness
Tracking the flow of experience in the various realms requires different forms of
awareness. Consensus reality is linked to first attention, a term first used by
Don Juan, the Indian Yaqui shaman in Castanedas books, to mean attention to
everyday reality. Mindell uses it in a similar way. When one develops first
attention one notices and focuses upon things that are part of ones everyday
reality such as other people, events, the doings and the happenings in ones life.
First attention thus is awareness of consensual signals (Mindell, 1993; Mindell,
2004).
Dreamland is linked to second attention, a term used by Don Juan to refer to

attention to aspects of experience that are unusual those with which others
might not agree. When one develops second attention one notices and focuses
upon external and internal, subjective, irrational experiences (Mindell, 1993, p.
25), experiences that are bothersome or troublesome or seem meaningless; i.e.,
things that ones first attention would normally neglect. Second attention is
awareness of the non-consensual aspects of ones experience. Essence is linked
to third attention or lucidity awareness of subtle experiences and sensations
which precede everything one thinks, sees, hears, and does (p. 36).
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For example, using my first attention, I notice, in the moment, that the
temperature in the room has dropped and my fingers are cold as I am typing.
Using my second attention, I notice a buzzing coming from my neighbors house
that is disturbing me; a slight tension in my neck and shoulders; a flash of an
image from last nights dream. Using my third attention, I notice a tendency of my
body to lean backward; a particular sense that is hard to describe in words, and
that my right hand is describing in movement as a vibration with a particular
rhythm. Before I stopped typing and began searching for this example I was only
aware of feeling cold. I was not aware of all these other inner and outer
experiences. My tendency is to ignore them, turn on the heat and go back to
writing. Making space to explore these experiences would require of me to relax
my everyday mind momentarily and allow myself to focus on that which seems
irrational or disturbing to it.
First and second attention are forms of consciousness, which according to

Mindells redefinition of the term, refer to the ability to observe parts of
consensus reality and parts of dreams and to understand these parts as aspects
of your self (Mindell, 2000a, p. 36). Mindell uses the term enlightenment to
refer to simultaneous lucidity and consciousness (p. 36), which leads to
awareness of the awareness processes themselves.
Main Method
Process workers observe and follow the patterns of nature by asking, What is
happening? That is, they focus their awareness on the momentary flow of
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experience as it is unfolding (Mindell, 2002, p. x). On the levels of consensus

reality and dreamland, the flow of experience can be observed in the various
intended and unintended signals that make up a persons verbal and non-verbal
communication. On the level of essence, the flow of experience can be sensed
as subtle movement tendencies of the body, vague body sensations and
feelings.
Paths to Enlightenment
There are different paths through which one can become aware of the
awareness processes themselves.
As depicted in Figure 4, one can start from

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the level of consensus reality by focusing on

Dreamland
Flirts
Essence
an experience that she experiences as a

disturbance, such as a relationship problem,
a body symptom, an addiction, an extreme
state, an accident, etc., enter dreamland
Figure 4: Paths to Enlightenment (a)
through unfolding the non-consensual
aspects of her experience of the disturbance and discover the meaning of the
disturbance, and also lucidly sense the essence of the disturbance and track it as
it generates insights about recreating everyday reality. One can start from the
level of dreamland by focusing on a dream or a fantasy and follow the same path
as above.
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As depicted in Figure 5, one can start by

CR
Dreamland
Flirts
Essence
noticing a flirt a fleeting image or

sensation that catches ones attention and
track it as it unfolds into consensus reality.
One can also start by lucidly noticing his
subtle tendencies to move, follow those
Figure 5: Paths to Enlightenment (b)
tendencies and unfold the movement until it
generates insight about consensus reality.
This study focuses on an aspect of the first path mentioned above, that is,
starting from a panic attack (a disturbance in CR) unfolding the subjective
experience of panic to find meaning (moving through dreamland), and sensing
the essence underlying panic and staying with it as it generates insight for how to
live everyday life. The theory that follows, therefore, deals specifically with the
methods developed in order to follow this path. For methods developed to unfold
dreams, flirts and subtle experiences, the reader can see Mindells Dreaming
While Awake, The Dreammakers Apprentice, and Quantum Mind and Healing.
Central Concepts in the Process Work Paradigm

The following are definitions of central concepts in the Process Work Paradigm.
The use of these concepts in tracking the flow of a persons experience is
illustrated for the reader in the transcript of case 1 (see Appendix H).
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Process
In the Process Work paradigm the term process refers to the variation of signals
experienced by an observer (Mindell, 1985, p. 11) or in other words, the flow of
experience (Mindell, 2002, p. 50).
Primary and Secondary processes

Processes are differentiated in terms of their distance from a persons
awareness. Processes which are closer to a persons awareness, i.e.,
experiences, feelings, thoughts and sensations that are experienced as intended
or part of a persons self identity, are called primary processes. Processes
which are further from a persons awareness, i.e., experiences, feelings, thoughts
and sensations that are experienced as foreign and distant or happening to
the person are called secondary processes (Mindell, 1985, p. 13).
Channels
Processes are also differentiated in terms of the signals in which they appear
(Mindell, 1985, p. 14) that is, according to the perception sense which picks
them up (p. 15), the sensory channel through which they manifest. Channels
are the various perceptual modes in which people experience themselves and
the world. Forewarning that given channels reflect specific individuals and/or
cultures (p. 14), Mindell lists the sensory channels that appear to be the most
common in one-to-one work with people [in the United States and Europe as]
visualization, audition, body feeling or proprioception and body movement or
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kinesthesia (p. 14). He also lists relationship and world as channels through
which processes oftentimes manifest.
Thus, for example, one might have a dream or a fantasy or be struck by the
colors of the sunrise or notice another persons clothes all of which would be
processes occurring in the visual channel. One might be experiencing an internal
dialogue or hearing internal voice, or be startled by a loud noise, or be disturbed
by something another person says, all of which would be processes occurring in
the auditory channel. One might be experiencing a physical sensation in the body
or feel sad or happy or angry, etc., all of which would be processes occurring in
the channel of proprioception. One might be experiencing internal or external
body motions or stillness, all of which would be processes occurring in the
movement channel. One might be preoccupied with or talking about another
person or have a dream involving a conflict with another dream figure, all of
which would be processes occurring in the relationship channel. Last, outer world
events such as accidents, trouble at work, money issues, synchronicities, etc
indicate processes occurring in the world channel.
Edges
The concept of the edge reflects the idea of the boundary of a persons identity,
the limit of a persons ability to directly experience and associate with an
experience (p. 25). For example, if I identify as a person who cares for others I
might have difficulty in identifying with and expressing my anger, i.e., I might
have an edge to anger.
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The edge is the threshold between a persons known and unknown worlds of
experience (Goodbread, 1997, p. 13). Using the above example, the edge would
be the threshold between my known world of experience of loving others and my
unknown world of experience of feeling and expressing anger. It is the point
where a secondary process (my feelings of anger) meets the primary process
(my experience of myself as a caring person).
These moments of convergence of primary and secondary processes are

accompanied by a sense of confusion, fear, nervousness, agitation, discomfort,
shyness and/or embarrassment mixed with a sense of excitement and curiosity.
Often they are also accompanied by behaviors such as blanking out, sweating,
fidgeting and/or giggling (Mindell, 2002, p. 50-53).
The two processes converging at the edge are connected to two differing belief
systems. For instance, my experience of myself as a caring person might be
connected with the belief that one should care for others and put others needs
before ones own. The experience of feeling and expressing anger might be
connected with the belief that one should be in touch with her feelings and freely
express them. Peoples belief systems are connected to the belief systems of the
culture they grew up in. For instance, the belief that one should care for others
might be connected to the belief system of a culture that values community and
interdependence. The belief that one should freely express her feelings might be
connected to the belief system of a culture that values individuality and personal
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freedom. In this sense edges (the difficulty to associate oneself with an

experience) are personal, yet at the same time familial and cultural. Inner
processes are connected to societal group processes. Cultural and familial belief
systems are internalized and personified by inner and outer figures (figures in a
persons dreams and life) that represent those particular belief systems.
Signals and Double Signals

On the levels of consensus reality and dreamland the flow of experience can be
observed in the various intended and unintended signals that make up a persons
verbal and non-verbal communication. Intended signals are signals that a person
identifies with or is aware of sending or go along with a persons intention.
Unintended or double signals are signals that a person does not identify with or
do not go along with her or his intended communication or is not aware of
sending. Double signals are incomplete signals that tend to repeat themselves
or cycle (Mindell, 2002, p. 50) until they are noticed, focused on and unfolded
(see below) to reveal their meaning and their message is picked up.
For instance, let us imagine a man who in response to a question regarding how
he is doing says in a low tone voice, I feel great while leaning back against a
wall. Until the person being asked the question focuses on and unfolds the
nonverbal signals of the low tone of voice and the body leaning against the wall,
one can only guess at their actual significance or meaning. Yet one can observe
that these nonverbal signals do not seem to go along with the content of the
verbal communication. The leaning against the wall and the low tone of voice,
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would be hypothesized to be double signals, i.e., signals the person is not

identified with, signaling the presence of an experience that the person is not
aware of in the moment.
Amplification
Amplification increasing the strength of signals (Mindell, 1982, p. 180) is
one of the central concepts of the Process Work paradigm. It is based on the
postulated principle of a self-reflecting Universe which unfolds itself to concrete
reality by means of its own self-reflection (Mindell, 2000b). In other words, selfreflection is viewed as a form of amplification; subliminal awareness is
autonomously reflected and as a result consciousness occurs. Mindell views
amplification as a means for unfolding a signals significance and meaning.
Affirming a signal to such an extent that one puts ones total focus on it begins to
amplify ones perception of it.
Amplification entails specific metaskills (Mindell, 1995) feeling attitudes with

which one uses ones skills: A beginners mind (p. 83-84), i.e., letting go of
preconceived ideas, judgments and interpretations of the signal and viewing with
openness and curiosity something mysterious and unknown which is to be
discovered; and compassion, (p. 67-73) i.e., valuing and generously attending
to all aspects of experience, which entails an openness to whatever arises,
including the irrational and mysterious.
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Signals need to be amplified in the channels in which they appear. The exact
nature of the amplification depends on the creativity of the person sending the
signal and the awareness facilitator (Mindell, 1985). In the above mentioned
example, for instance, the movement signal of leaning against the wall could be
amplified in the movement channel by encouraging the person to allow her or his
body to lean on the wall even more, and perhaps even allow the full weight of the
body to lean against the wall. The auditory signal of the low tone of voice could
be amplified by asking the person to speak in an ever lower tone of voice or sit in
silence. A signal in the channel of proprioception such as a pounding headache
could be amplified by asking the person to focus on the pounding sensation and
feel it more. A signal in the visual channel such as a fleeting image of the sea
could be amplified by encouraging the person to bring back the image of the sea
and focus on it, look at it and see the colors or the motions of the sea or
whatever it is that the person notices, etc.
For more information on ways to amplify experiences in the various channels see
Arnold Mindells Rivers Way, Working With the Dreaming Body, Working on
Yourself Alone, The Dreambody in Relationships, Amy Mindells Coma: A
Healing Journey, Amy and Arnold Mindells Riding the Horse Backwards, and
Joe Goodbreads The Dreambody Toolkit.
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Channel Changes
When signals are amplified in the channel in which they occur and intensified to
their limits, channel changes occur; i.e., the process (the flow of signals) switches
channels. For instance, continuing with the above example, when that man leans
all of his weight against the wall, he might see an image of a child being held in
womans arms. In this case, the process will have switched channels and be now
occurring in the visual channel, which will be adding new information. The initial
signal of leaning against the wall will have unfolded into the image of a child
being held, beginning to fill in the experience that appeared in that initial signal.
Noticing the switch to the visual channel and focusing on the image would be a
way to further unfold and fill in the experience.
Channel changes can also occur when an edge is reached i.e., when
information arises that is difficult for the person to accept. When channel
changes occur because a person has reached an edge, one can notice a shift in
the quality of the energy. For instance, when a burning sensation in the stomach
(signal in the channel of proprioception) is followed by the image of an exploding
volcano (signal in the visual channel) there is a consistency in the energetic
quality of the experiences in the two channels. When the sensation of a burning
stomach is followed by the image of a tranquil lake there is a shift in the quality of
the energy. Going back to the moment that the channel changed and
investigating what the person was experiencing in that moment is a way to
investigate and learn more about the edge that the person reached.
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One can also switch channels deliberately. This can be especially helpful at the
edge. If people get stuck while amplifying an experience in a particular channel,
for instance, feeling the burning sensation in the stomach, they can deliberately
switch to another channel and (for example) make a picture of that burning
sensation, or hear its sound, or make a movement that conveys that experience.
Feedback
The concept of following feedback is crucial in the Process Work paradigm. It is
connected to the belief in the inherent wisdom of nature (process). In this
paradigm where the practitioner is viewed as an awareness facilitator who
follows the patterns and movements of nature (the flow of experience) feedback
is viewed as the navigational compass.
Each interaction with a signal brings about a particular reaction or response. This
response or feedback provides information about the process. For instance, if a
facilitators suggestion to focus inside as a way to amplify the signal of a
womans eyes looking downward is followed by the persons closing of her eyes,
the closing of the eyes is seen as feedback to that intervention.
In the Process Work paradigm, feedback is considered to be positive if the

reaction, as in the example above, consists of an intensification of the signal, or,
if there are indications that the person is picking up the suggestion and going
with it. Other examples of positive feedback are a tightening of the muscles in
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response to applied pressure, the body beginning to lean back in response to the
suggestion to relax, etc.
To the contrary, feedback is considered to be negative if the intervention does

not result in an intensification of the signal. For instance, a person beginning to
talk in response to the suggestion of focusing on his inner experiences would be
considered negative feedback to that suggestion. Negative feedback oftentimes
provides information about the needed direction. In the example above, for
instance, the feedback is pointing toward the auditory channel rather than the
channel of proprioception. Feedback is considered to be edge feedback when
there is positive and negative feedback present at the same time.
Using feedback as a navigational compass relieves the awareness facilitator

from having to know the right direction or make the right intervention. All
interventions result in information that can be used to adjust navigation as one
tracks processes.
Process Structure
A process structure is a momentary picture of a persons primary and secondary
processes or parts or worlds of experiences and their relationships to each
another. Processes are in constant flux. They are not entirely separable but
intermingle and coexist (Mindell, 2002, p. 50). Though there are long-term
aspects of ones process that accompany a person throughout ones lifetime the
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subtleties of processes change continually and transform (p. 55) so a particular

differentiation of processes into primary and secondary is temporary.
Process Structure Analysis

An awareness facilitator observes a persons verbal and non-verbal
communication and attempts to differentiate and group signals and experiences
in terms of what is closer and what is further away from a persons awareness;
what is part of and what is outside of a persons identity; what goes along with
and what disturbs the persons idea of herself; what is intended and what is
unintended or happens accidentally; which channels of perception are occupied
by the persons primary process and which are unoccupied, i.e., used by the
persons secondary process; what is the edge and the belief system that
supports it.
These groupings of information allow the awareness facilitator to form a

beginning hypothesis about the process structure which is continually affirmed or
disproved or altered by the new information provided by the feedback, and to
identify possible interventions. A process structure is a beginning map, so to
speak, of an unknown territory that gives an overview, an overall orientation, and
points toward possible paths one could take to begin the exploration. As the
exploration proceeds, the map is altered by what is discovered.
For example, let us imagine that a man is leaning up against a wall and says in a
low tone of voice, Im not giving up. Im tough. A semantic analysis (i.e., an
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analysis of the literal content) indicates that the man identifies with being tough
and intends not to give up. An analysis of the syntactic structure (i.e., an analysis
of the sentence structure) reveals the use of a negation, which indicates an
experience of giving up that is being negated. An analysis of the non-verbal
communication signal of leaning against the wall indicates the sensory channel of
movement and/or proprioception. This signal does not seem to go along with the
persons intention of not giving up, thus, one could hypothesize that the
experience of leaning against the wall is further from away from the persons
awareness, i.e., is a secondary process appearing in the movement and/or
proprioceptive channel. An analysis of the non-verbal communication signal of
the low tone of voice indicates the auditory channel. This signal does not seem to
go along with the intended communication of not giving up and being tough
either, one could hypothesize therefore that the low tone of voice is also a
manifestation of the secondary process.
In this analysis I have differentiated and grouped the verbal and non verbal
communication signals in terms of what is closer and further away from the
mans awareness, hypothesizing that the experience of being tough whatever
that means for him is closer to his awareness and part of his identity, whereas
the experience of giving up is further away from his awareness and not part of
his identity. In addition, I have made the hypothesis that the signal of the low tone
of voice belongs to the experience that his identity has named giving up.
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This process structure analysis points toward two interventions implied in the
structure, or in other words, two possible entry points into experiences that are
further away from this mans awareness. One possible entry is the movement
and/or the channel of proprioception. Utilizing this entry point, an awareness
facilitator would ask the man to focus on his body and allow himself to lean even
more against the wall. She would also ask the man to notice all that he is
experiencing and follow the tendencies in his body. This might lead the man to
eventually sit down or lie down on the floor and further explore the experience of
giving up, and its meaning and usefulness for his everyday life.
Another possible entry point is the auditory channel. Utilizing this entry point, an
awareness facilitator would ask the man to notice the low tone of his voice and
amplify that by continuing to speak or make sounds in that tone. He would also
ask the man to notice all that he is experiencing and notice any images that
might arise or tendencies to move. If the hypothesis is correct, the unfolding of
the experience of the low tone of voice would also lead to the exploration of the
experience of giving up. For example, the low tone of voice might bring up an
image of a baby sleeping or someone dying, etc., or might create the urge to lie
down, etc.
For a detailed description of finding the process structure through the analysis of
verbal and non verbal communication readers can see Julie Diamond and Lee
Jones A Path Made by Walking.
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Unfolding Processes
As the reader will see below, unfolding a process involves amplifying unintended
communication signals in the channels in which they occur; watching for channel
changes; watching for and working with edges; filling in the experience in all the
channels and staying with the unfolding until the significance or meaning of the
experience for the persons life is revealed; sensing the essence of an
experience and exploring that realm.
Amplifying and Watching for Channel Changes.

The first step in unfolding a process is amplification of the unintended
communication signals in the channel in which they o. An awareness facilitator
uses the signals that she has identified as belonging to the secondary process
(the unintended communication signals) in order to enter dreamland. She helps
the person focus on these signals and amplify them in the channel in which they
appear.
The facilitator then watches for channel switches that occur organically. If the
switch to the new channel brings information that fills in the experience that was
unfolding in the previous channel (i.e., gives it more form) without radically
shifting its energetic quality, the facilitator encourages the person to focus on the
experiences unfolding in the new channel. If the switch to the new channel
results in a shift in the quality of the energy that the person was unfolding, as in
the example in the section on channel changes (see page 118), and a lower level
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of engagement of the person, the facilitator considers the possibility that the
person has reached an edge (the boundary of her known world of experiences),
and encourages the person to go back to the last energetic moment and
investigate what occurred right before the channel switch.
Unfolding Processes: Working with Edges.

Working with edges is an important aspect of unfolding. The experiences that
come up as people focus on and unfold unintended communication signals are
experiences that are marginalized by peoples identities; i.e., experiences that do
not go along peoples sense of who they are. The arising of such experiences
bring people to their edges. Thus, coming up against edges is intrinsic in the
unfolding of a process.
The basic idea of edgework is to help the person become aware of the edge
and decide the direction in which he would like to proceed. Sometimes it is
important for the person to stay at the edge, just being aware of the processes
that are converging at that point. At other times it is important for the person to
explore the conflict between the belief systems supporting the primary and
secondary processes, either as a reflection of a larger cultural or societal group
process or as a relationship interaction between two parts of himself and/or
between other people and himself. At yet other times it is important for the
person to just go over the edge; not to be stopped by it but to acknowledge it and
cross it.
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Unfolding Processes: Filling In Experience in All Channels.

The awareness facilitator helps the person to fill in an experience in as many
channels as possible helping the person maintain their focus until what is being
unfolded reaches completion and its significance or meaning for the persons life
of is revealed.
Example.
To give an example of the phases of unfolding that I have described thus far, let
us follow the instance of a woman who has had a vivid dream of having cancer.
The most salient part of her description of the dream is the part where she
described touching her belly in the dream and feeling the cancer: I could feel it.
It was really hard and it had the shape of a square. It was like a wooden box.
The awareness facilitator suggests that they begin to unfold the dream by
focusing on the part of the dream that seemed to have the most energy for the
woman her tactile sensation of the cancer, i.e., its hardness.
As the woman focuses on sensing that hardness, her right hand goes up and her
fingers tense up and curl, shaking back and forth. Thus far the process has
shifted from the visual channel (dream images) to proprioception (sensation of
hardness), and then movement (hand motions). The motions of the right hand
keep repeating for a minute and then stop, as her hand comes down and rests
on her knee. The cessation of a repetitive incomplete motion often times
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indicates an edge in the movement channel. I saw the image of a mountain the
woman says.
The awareness facilitator decides to keep, for the moment, the information about
the possible edge in the movement channel in the back of her mind, and
suggests that the woman becomes a mountain by changing her body posture
so that she sits like one. The woman straightens her back and sits with her eyes
closed for a few minutes and says, I feel very peaceful in the stillness. The
awareness facilitator notices that the peacefulness the woman feels has a
different energetic quality from the tension that was in her fingers as she was
sensing the hardness of the cancer, so she encourages the woman to go back to
sensing the hardness of the cancer.
That is, the awareness facilitator puts together the prior information about the
possible edge in the movement channel and the shift in the energetic quality that
occurred with the channel change, from movement to visualization, and makes
the hypothesis that the woman reached an edge in unfolding the experience of
the hardness of the cancer. Thus, she has the woman go back to the last
moment before the edge occurred.
The woman goes back to feeling the cancer and the same hand motions occur.
The facilitator encourages her to get up and allow the tension that she feels in
her curled shaking fingers to spread to her entire body and express itself in
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movement. The woman begins to make quick, strong, vertical motions with her
right hand extended in front of her, bringing her hand up to the level of her
forehead and then forcefully down to the level of her hips. Her motions are
accompanied by a sound (hhhhhhhoo) and a face grimace (eyes squinting). The
process has now unfolded further into movement and more channels have come
in, filling in the experience (there is a sound and a grimace). She repeats the
motions and the sound and the squinting of her eyes and suddenly she has a
sense that she is a samurai warrior cutting through the air with her sword. She
feels the strength, toughness and decisiveness of this figure and has an insight
about using this energy to deal with her addictions, and protect herself from her
partner when she blasts her accusing her of something she has done wrong.
The image of the cancer was unfolded through amplifying the tactile sensation of
its hardness, following the channel change into movement that occurred as a
result (shaking fingers), amplifying the movement (having the woman stand up
and allow tension and shaking spread to her entire body), amplifying the channel
additions that occurred (sound and grimace), until it completed itself (image of
samurai warrior) and revealed its meaning (insights about how she could use this
energy in her life).
Sensing the Essence of an Experience.

Sensing the essence of an experience and exploring the essence realm are the
latest areas of development in Process Work. When an experience is unfolded,
one arrives at another part or aspect of oneself that is trying to emerge such as
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the samurai warrior in the above example. One can go even further by sensing
the essence of this figure or energy it represents. A way to get to the essence is
to encourage the person to drop the content and ask her to sense where this
energy is headed for. What is the deepest yearning of this figure? Another way to
find the essence of a figure is to ask the person to begin making the motions
slower and slower until she stops making them entirely while keeping the sense
of the experience, and while asking herself, What is the seed of this experience?
What is this energy at its very beginning, before it gets to be so intense? Yet
another way to find the essence would be to ask the person to stand still for a
minute, breathe and relax her mind, and while in that relaxed state to begin to
recreate this figure (for example the samurai warrior) and catch the very first
things that happen even if they seem irrational. Unfolding those will give one a
sense of the essence of the figure.
To continue with the above example: the woman as she meditated on the
motions of the samurai warrior and asked herself where they were heading, she
had a fleeting sense of something leaving the edge of her sword and continuing
to fly in the air, into infinity, and had this sense that the essence of this figure, for
her, had something to do with intent. As she stayed with that sense of intent she
had a fleeting thought that she needs to be relentless in her pursuit of freedom, in
her pursuit of living who she truly is.
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Exploring the Essence Realm.

Exploring the essence realm involves what Mindell calls "shape-shifting"
allowing oneself to shift forms by sensing the essence of an experience and
allowing that "to express itself in terms of sound, hand movements, perhaps
dance-like movements, a quick sketch, or all of these movements" (Mindell,
2004, p. 56) Mindell encourages people to think of themselves as "living art," as
a moving sculpture" while keeping their focus on their experience allowing their
fantasy to unfold until it explains itself to them. In the example above, the woman
stayed with the sense of intent until a thought emerged. This thought revealed a
way of living her life.
Metaskills
"Metaskills" is a term coined by Amy Mindell (1995) to refer to the feeling
attitudes with which one uses ones skills. As she points out to facilitate the
unfolding of a process:
we need both a scientific and a spiritual attitude: We need the
acuity of a scientist who carefully uses her awareness to follow
patterns and signals happening in herself and the other person, and
we need the openness of a shaman who can jump into and follow
the dreaming process without necessarily knowing where its
heading (p. xii)
Other metaskills, important for facilitating the unfolding of a process, are:
beginners mind: letting go of preconceived ideas about the persons experience,
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viewing it with openness and curiosity as something mysterious and unknown

which is to be discovered (p. 83); playfulness and humor: using the spontaneity
and freedom (from identity and social norms) of a child to explore experiences,
bringing in a sense of humor and the different perspective it brings (p. 95-105);
social awareness: being aware of the intricate connection between a person's
experience and the culture in which one lives (p. 64); deep democracy: opening
up to, valuing, appreciating and supporting all aspects of a person's experience
(p. 67-74).
Summary
The Process Work paradigm is based on the Taoist principle of following the Tao
the natural patterns and movements of nature. This Taoist principle of belief in
the wisdom of nature translates to the belief in an embedded wisdom in a
disturbance. Believing in the wisdom embedded in a disturbance, a Process
Worker engages in an awareness practice that utilizes the tracking of signals to
enter and unfold the underlying process until it reveals its meaning for the
persons life.
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CHAPTER 5: FINDINGS
In this section I present my current understanding of the application of the
Process Work paradigm to unexpected panic attacks, as I experienced its
founder applying it with me (see Appendix H, case 1), and as I observed him
applying it with five other people who have experienced unexpected panic
attacks (see Appendix H, cases 2 through 6). Additionally, I present a series of
hypotheses about the process underlying panic attacks implied in and brought to
the foreground by the description of my understanding. Lastly, I present
anecdotal data from my personal experience supporting the direction of a further
investigation of these hypotheses in future research.
My understanding of the application of the Process Work paradigm to

unexpected panic attacks is described in a series of steps. These nine steps
emerged in the content analysis of the analysis of the six case studies that
comprised the data of this study. I placed the term steps in quotation marks
above to emphasize the word as a vehicle for organizing my description of the
work. My rendering of these steps should not be taken as a literal outline of a
sequential process, but rather a description of identifiable phases or therapeutic
instances that occurred across the cases included in my analysis.
Presenting my findings as a series of steps involves a paradox: that of attempting

to present a whole in artificially broken down parts. I have frozen the therapeutic
process of working with experiences of panic attacks in order to define and
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describe it. In so doing, a series of phases or instances I am calling steps,"

emerged. The parts (steps) do not reflect the true nature of the whole (flow of
therapeutic process), for the description of parts does not convey their non-linear
interconnections, the dynamic nature of the whole. To address this limitation I
present, in Appendix H, verbatim transcripts of all six cases studies so that the
reader can get a sense of the dynamic nature of the whole, and learn from the
work itself rather than relying solely on my understanding of it.
With the description of these nine steps I attempt to describe the broad directions
and methods composing the therapeutic interaction. These steps should not be
taken as a protocol that was, or is meant to be, uniformly applied. The flow of
signals arising within the interaction along with the creativity of both, the person
exploring an experience and the awareness facilitator, determine the exact path
of that encounter.
I am aware that organizing my findings in a series of steps imbues the

presentation of a descriptive study with a prescriptive (teaching) tone, which
could carry an implication of grounding in solid outcome data that has yet to be
collected and explicated. Nonetheless, I have chosen the technique of stepwise
organization as the best strategy for supporting the underlying goal of this study;
namely, the attempt to define and describe the application of the Process Work
paradigm to panic attacks, separating the approach from its original theoretician
and practitioner, and in this way creating the ground for future research on
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efficacy. My intent with the current explication is to address the implication my

choice may carry by bringing it to the foreground, reminding the reader that
currently there are no efficacy studies on this approach as applied to panic
attacks, and noting again that this is an anecdotal, descriptive study that may
serve as foundation for future efficacy studies.
In summary, the nine steps in a Process-oriented approach to panic attacks that I

have defined and described below are a linear description of my current
understanding of the process of exploring peoples experiences of unexpected
panic attacks.
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Overview of Steps in a Process-oriented Approach to Panic Attacks

The steps that an awareness facilitator might follow if she used a Processoriented approach when working with a person who has experienced or
experiences unexpected panic attacks are:
1. Attending to the medical aspects of the panic attacks.
2. Getting a picture of the life context within which the panic attacks occur.
3. Eliciting the person's subjective experience of the panic attack.
4. Identifying entry points into the process underlying the panic attack.
5. Entering the process underlying the panic attack.
6. Unfolding the dreamlike aspects of the panic attack.
7. Understanding the significance of the unfolded experience of the panic
attack for the persons life.
8. Sensing the essence of the unfolded experience of the panic attack.
9. Exploring the sensed essence and insights it generates about the persons
life.
Process work brings to the field of psychology and medicine the idea of valuing
and attending to at least three realms of reality: consensus reality (CR),
dreamland and essence. Figure 6 below gives the reader a visual image of the
nine steps outlined above relative to the level of reality that each addresses,
though not all steps will always be taken in the order in which they are presented
here:
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Consensus Reality
3
Dreamland
9
8
Essence
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
Attending to the medical aspects of the panic attacks.

Getting a picture of the life context within which the panic attacks occur.
Eliciting the person's subjective experience of the panic attack.
Identifying entry points into the process underlying the panic attack.
Entering the process underlying the panic attack.
Unfolding the dreamlike aspects of the panic attack.
Understanding the significance of the unfolded experience of the panic
attack for the persons life.
8. Sensing the essence of the unfolded experience of the panic attack.
9. Exploring the sensed essence and insights it generates about the persons
life.
Figure 6: Steps in Working with Panic Attacks Relative to Perceptual Realms
As one can see in Figure 6, step 1, "attending to the medical aspect of panic
attacks" and step 2, "getting a picture of the life context within which panic
attacks occur" are phases of the work in which the realm of consensus reality is
investigated. Step 3, "eliciting the person's subjective experience of the panic
attacks" and step 4, "identifying entry points into the process underlying the panic
attack" are phases in which a transition is made from the realm of consensus
reality to the realm of dreamland. Step 5, "entering the process underlying the
panic attack" and step 6, "unfolding the dreamlike aspects of the panic attack"
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are phases in which the realm of dreamland is investigated. Step 7,

"understanding the significance of the unfolded experience of the panic attack for
the persons life" is a phase in which the dynamic relationship between the
experience unfolded in the realm of dreamland and the person's experience of
consensus reality is illuminated. Step 8, "sensing the essence of the unfolded
experience of the panic attack" is a phase in which a transition is made from the
realm of dreamland to the realm of essence. Step 9, "exploring the sensed
essence and insights it generates about the persons life" is a phase in which the
realm of essence is investigated and experienced recreating consensus reality.
In Appendix H, the transcript of case 1 is presented alongside my observations

on the procession of the work, illustrating aspects of the theory presented in
chapter 4, and the steps presented in this chapter.
Step 1 [CR]: Attending to the Medical Aspects of the Panic Attacks

In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would begin to investigate the
realm of consensus reality (CR) by focusing on the consensual aspects of the
neurobiological and cognitive features of the persons panic attacks (i.e., the
aspects of the persons panic attacks that can be perceived by the human
senses, measured, tested and consented to as real, such as a racing heart, a
shortness of breath, a fear of dying or losing control, etc.). In other words, before
beginning to explore the possible psychological significance of panic attacks the
awareness facilitator would address the physical dimension of the persons
experience, ensuring that the person has consulted or will consult with a medical
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professional in order to investigate and exclude the existence of any of the

numerous physical problems that can produce panic-like symptoms. An
illustration of such an investigation can be seen in the following excerpt from
case 5:
AF5: You took the words right out of my mouth! I wanted to ask you two things
about your physical self.
P:
Um hum
AF: The first was about the thyroid because what you describe, especially the
coming out and going up in the air and the fear of that, people with thyroid
problems say that all the time.
P:
Oh really? I had no idea!
AF: Yeah.
P:
I was working with a naturopath, I still am, and he was giving me

naturopathic thyroid stuff, but it's not working.
AF: No.
P:
I mean it wasnt.
AF: No. And the other thing that I wanted to ask you, do you have an acid
stomach?
P:
Acid stomach?
AF: Acidity, a burning sensation?

P:
If I eat the wrong foods I get that but I dont get it regularly. I get it if I eat too
late at night. But also I take digestive enzymes and I'm careful what I eat but
I am interested in what your thought is.
AF: Um Do you sometimes have the sensations of acidity in your esophagus?

P:
No, it doesn't come up that high.
AF: But you feel uncomfortable sometimes, you watch what you eat and dont
eat too late at night.
AF = Awareness Facilitator, P = person, R = Researcher
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P:
Right
AF: Some of the things that you describe, not that that's going to solve the
problem but it can't hurt, an acid stomach has also some of this panicky
behavior sudden spasms, nobody can figure out what it is Always
people will find out something good by working on it psychologically but you
have to be careful physically. Do you know what an acid stomach is?
Other such investigations can be seen in case 2 (pages 295-286), case 4 (page
349-350), case 5 (pages 381-384) and case 6 (page 412-414, 419).
One issue that does not appear in any of the six case studies of this research but
that I am aware of from my own training and clinical experience is the possible
emergence of an apparent avoidance, reluctance or even resistance in the
person to address the physical dimension of his experience. In such a case, the
awareness facilitator would view this as an important aspect of the process
calling for further investigation. The awareness facilitator might investigate the
beliefs and feelings entailed in not addressing the physical dimension of the
experience. The awareness facilitator might also help the person go into the
experience of resistance and amplify it in order to get a sense of it and find out
more about the part that is resisting. In particular one might ask, "What is this
part's view of life? What is its purpose or goal? What does it want from the
person?" The awareness facilitator might then step into a role-play playing one of
the two parts involved (the one wanting to explore the medical aspect or the one
resisting this exploration) with the person playing the other part in order to
develop the relationship between the two and try to come to a resolution. The
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awareness facilitator could also play out both parts for the person, mirroring the
conflict, so that the person can watch from the outside and choreograph or
intervene as she feels moved to do so. In any and all cases, investigating the
resistance would be the entry point to the process in the background.
Step 2 [CR]: Getting a Picture of the Life Context within which the Panic
Attacks Occur
In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would continue to investigate
the realm of consensus reality (CR). Processes intermingle and coexist; i.e., they
emerge in relation to one another. In order, therefore, to understand the
significance or meaning of an experience that appears as a disturbance (a
secondary process) one needs to understand what is being disturbed (the
primary processes). Investigating peoples perception of their life and the
contexts within which panic attacks occur can provide such an understanding.
One can explore this area by gathering information about the following:
What is everyday life like for the person? (Life circumstances, work,
health, finances, relationships, interests, etc)
What is person's feeling about her life and the direction in which it is
going?
What was happening in the person's life when the first panic attack
occurred?
Under what circumstances do the panic attacks currently occur or not

occur? Is there a pattern that can be discerned?
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An illustration of such an investigation can be seen in the following excerpt from

case 4:
P:
So I was ready to work all those, you know, entry level jobs whatever it
takes, just to get out of (country) because that community, you know, the
beliefs in community are really killing me. My panic attacks started over
there.
AF: Their beliefs in community you said?

P:
Yeah, the beliefs in community actually its something that I just couldnt find
myself. You know, in first place you have to put other people then yourself.
You know, to satisfy others and then think about yourself.
AF [Nods]
P:
So it didnt work with me. My first panic attack started in 91, I would say. My
son was born in 90 and after that I started having those chest pains [her left
hand touches her chest] and didn't know what it was. At the time I lived with
my husband. A new marriage and a child came, I wasnt ready for that, and
first disappointments in marriage and then I lived in a huge house with his
parents
AF: Ooo
P:
and it wasnt something that I wanted but to be honest the reason that I got
married so quickly was just to [snaps her finger] get out of my house and my
mom because she was pretty much demanding and having all these
different beliefs different value systems than mine.
AF: What was her value system?

P:
Oh you know, you gotta gain weight, and you gotta gain some money, and
you gotta be a good wife and you gotta cook well
In the above excerpt the awareness facilitator notices that the woman associates
the beginning of her panic attacks with living within the context of a community
with a particular value system and investigates this value system. A few minutes
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later the awareness facilitator notices a pattern emerging around the occurrence
of the panic attacks that is connected to this value system:
P:
I learned a lot and we moved into a bigger place so I had a room for an
office and then when I got settled down the panic attacks started.
AF: Aha! After your business started to work you found an office, you started
settling down and then your panic starts?
P:
Every time.
AF: Every time what?

P:
Every time my panic attacks would come not when I was going through
AF: tense times! No!

P:
changes
AF: Not at all!

P:
but later on
AF: Later, after settling down!
A few minutes later the awareness facilitator notices the same pattern being
hinted at again and begins to bring it to the person's awareness pointing out the
connection to the value system that she mentioned before:
AF: So right now are you in a relationship? What is your family scene? You have
a son?
P:
[Exhales from mouth, big sigh]
AF: Sorry to ask

P:
No, no. It is hard to explain. Right now, I'm on my own. Alone. My son
moved to live with his father in another city in the United States.
AF: Great. I just wanted to know.

P:
But it happened recently. I just told Lily in the waiting room, its very
interesting that I didnt have panic attack this summer, so many changes
happened, my son left
AF: No panic attack when lots of outer changes.

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P:
Yeah, so probably very soon its going to happen
AF: No! I think, rather, the more changes that happen and the more you're in the
midst of doing a thousand things, the better!
P:
Yeah, I know but when I settle down
AF: Yeah! You're very creative! Settling is maybe not yet for you.
P:
[Nods]
AF: You'll be settled down later. That's an old family myth that people should be
settled down.
P:
They should not!
AF: It doesnt work for...

P:
Obviously, it doesnt work for me.
AF [Laughs]
P:
I get panic attacks when that happens. [Loud voice]
AF: Yeah! You hate it!
Other examples of investigating the context within which panic attacks occur can
be seen in case 1 (pages 270-273), case 2 (pages 291-294), case 3 (pages 313318), case 5 (pages 379-381), case 6 (pages 413-419).
One of the suppositions of the Process Work paradigm is that there is a basic
direction in the background, what Jung called a life myth, organizing a person's
experiences. In this stage of the investigation the awareness facilitator might
come upon other experiences such as body symptoms or addictions.
Investigating these experiences can give the awareness facilitator and the
person a hint about this basic direction that the panic attacks may also be
connected to. Thus, an awareness facilitator could investigate these experiences
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and keep the resulting information in mind for later use. An illustration of such an
investigation is seen in the following excerpt from case 3:
AF: Ok. Anything else I should know about your?
P:
Well, Ive had substance abuse issues throughout my life too.
AF: What kind of substances?

P:
Opiates, pain killers, poppies
AF: Aha! And what does that do? It kills pain or it sends you out into a [moves
his head from side to side] waaaaanng or ?
P:
Well, both. It helps you play pool better [laughs], it seemed like.
AF: You get cooler.

P:
Yeah smoother. It calms your nerves.
AF: Calms the nervesSo the opiate was probably a kind of medication in your
case not really a medication obviously but I mean trying to work with
something thats nervous
P:
Definitely.
AF: Is that right?

P:
Definitely.
AF: Hm There's a connection there between the opiate and the panic
probably It's fascinating
P:
Yeah.
AF: It's a smart direction but the addiction isn't good. It's the right direction
somehow how to cool it out, you need but the substance abuse is bad
for you.
In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator investigates an addiction to

opiates that comes up during the investigation of the womans everyday life. He
explores the use of the substances and notes that state of consciousness that
the woman was attempting to reach through their use (cooling out) as a signifier
of a needed direction for her life. Later on in the work this direction of "cooling
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out" emerged again during the exploration of her panic attacks and was
connected to what she referred to as her "soul" a deep part of her which is an
enlightener for others and for herself (see Appendix H, case 3).
Step 3 [CR Dreamland]: Eliciting the Person's Subjective Experience of

the Panic Attack
In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would ask the person to
describe her experience of panic attacks. Through eliciting the person's
subjective experience of the panic attacks the awareness facilitator would begin
to focus on the non-consensual features of panic attacks; that is, the persons
dreamlike experiences associated with the neurobiological and cognitive features
of his panic attacks that cannot be directly measured or collectively consented to
as real. Through this shift of focus from the consensual to the non-consensual
aspects of the panic attacks, the awareness facilitator would begin to make a
transition from investigating the realm of consensus reality to investigating the
realm of dreamland.
A note of caution: Talking about a panic attack brings back at least part of the
physical sensations of it. Awareness of the physical and emotional discomfort
involved in this step imbues the awareness facilitator with a feeling attitude
(metaskill) that can itself ease part of the discomfort for the person. The same
applies to moving relatively quickly through this and the next steps of identifying
possible "entry points" into the process underlying the panic attacks, entering the
process and beginning to unfold it, for once a person enters with awareness
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these aspects of her experience she no longer feels solely a victim of the
inundating force of the panic attack.
Illustrations of this phase of the work can be seen in case 1 (pages 270-273),
case 2 (pages 291-292 and 296-297), case 3 (pages 319-320), case 4 (pages
345-349), case 5 (pages 381-382, 384-385) and case 6 (pages 412-415 and
417-419). Excerpts containing the description of each of the six research
participants subjective experience of the panic attacks are included in the
description of the next step.
Step 4 [CR Dreamland]: Identifying Entry Points into the Process

Underlying the Panic Attack
In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would attempt to identify
possible "entry points" into the process underlying the panic attacks. I use the
term entry points to refer to aspects of a persons experience of the panic
attacks that can potentially function as doorways into the process underlying the
panic attacks. In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would be
continuing to focus on the non-consensual aspects of the panic attacks and, in
this way, continue to make a transition from investigating the realm of consensus
reality to investigating the realm of dreamland.
As the analysis of the case studies revealed, one place to look for possible entry
points into the process underlying a panic attack is the description of a person's
subjective experience of it. Another place is the persons momentary somatic
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(physical) experience, while recollecting the panic attack, or while experiencing it

in the moment.
Identifying Entry Points in the Persons Description of the Panic Attack

Identifying possible entry points in a person's description of his experience of the
panic attack involves looking for:
The part of the person's experience that is disturbing or frightening or

unknown or mysterious or intriguing or enjoyable in some way to the
person.
The part of the person's description that carries the most energy. A rise in
energy can be noticed in an intensifying of the tone or volume of the voice,
or a sudden quick burst of energy expressed through movement and/or
sound, which then disappears.
The persons somatic (physical) experience of the panic attack as it is

expressed in words, motions or sounds.
Given the importance of identifying possible entry points to the overall process of
exploring a persons experience of a panic attack, I have chosen to illustrate this
step with excerpts from all six cases. In this way I show both the uniqueness of
each case and their underlying similarities, which led to the grouping of the entry
points into categories of possible routes toward an unfolding of the process
underlying a panic attack, utilized in the description of step 6.
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The following are excerpts from each of the six cases studies showing the
awareness facilitator eliciting the persons subjective experience of her panic
attacks, followed by a list of entry points that I observe in each. In the description
of step 5 the reader will find a table listing these entry points alongside my
thoughts on how one could utilize them to enter the stream of the dreamlike
background of a panic attack.
Excerpt from case 1 (my own work):

AF: When did you have the first one?
P:
The first one that I identified as a panic was a few years back. I think it was
in 95 or 96. I was back in my home country for a visit. It was a morning. I
think it was just a day or two after I had arrived. I woke up and I remember I
was in the bathroom washing myself and I felt a tightness in my chest and
a sense of worry and then I thought, Ill go lie down on the couch. And
then I was almost falling asleep and then it was like [sudden and loud]
hhoooo, [she raised her right hand to the level of her head and then
forcefully brought it down in front of her while also thumping on the floor with
her foot.]
AF: [Follows the hand motions with his eyes and then the motions of the foot]
P:
And then it was like terror and I didnt know there was nothing I didnt
know what I was afraid of and then, the worst was like thinking, What's
happening to me? Am I going crazy? This is what it is to go crazy
In looking at the above excerpt one could identify the following possible entry
points:
The sense of terror coming upon me expressed in the verbal signal of the
sound hhoooo," and the nonverbal signals of the downward motion of my
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hand and the thumping of my foot on the ground. (This is a part of my

description with a lot of energy the tone of my voice intensifies, the
volume gets higher and the motion is abrupt and forceful.)
The sense of going crazy. (This is a disturbing and frightening aspect of

my experience.)
The sense of not knowing what I was afraid of. (This is a disturbing and
frightening aspect of my experience.)
Excerpt from case 2:

P:
Yes, little (her kids were young). I was so stressed out and I remember
taking my kids to visit my brother in (another country) and I was in the guest
room and it was made of this beautiful wood with some windows on the top,
and I woke up in the middle of the night and I thought, Oh my god, there is
no oxygen in this room. I swear to god there is no oxygen in here"
AF: [Nods] I had never experienced anything like that.

P:
It was fucking freaky.
AF: Ts, ts, ts [shakes his head from side to side]

P:
It was, I mean, I guess [throws hands up in the air] thats a panic attack or
something.
In looking at the above excerpt one could identify the sense of lack of oxygen as
a possible entry point. (This is a disturbing and frightening aspect of her
experience. It is also is a part of her description with a lot of energy.)
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AF: But maybe you want to say a little something about it, about your panic
states. What were they like? What happened when they did come before
you started taking Zoloft?
P:
Oh, very typical. You just feel like youre losing your mind
AF: Aha!
P:
Fast heart rate and you feel like you need to run to the emergency room.
That youre going to die
AF: Aha
P:
Its just very typical.
AF: AhaThe standard main symptoms

P:
Yeah thats definitely
AF: Thats going to be easy to, thats going to be fun

P:
[Laughs]
AF: the way you described it! Thats how you knew it was there and coming,
feeling going nuts and very speedy heart rate?
P:
Right and just feel like youre under a big threat. I mean, I feel like [points
at R] we were talking about that. How you just feel like You feel like
youre I dont know, I just feel very threatened
AF: Threatened Mm Yeah by something

P:
Right.
AF: But by who knows what

P:
Yeah.
AF: Exactly! We cant really name it.

P:
Thats whats hard. So, you got nowhere to run and nothing to do, no way to
fix it because
AF: Theres something threatening you

P:
Right, but theres no obvious threat to deal with.
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In looking at the above excerpt the reader could identify the following aspects of
the womans experience as possible entry points:
The sense of losing her mind.
The sense of imminent death.
The physical sensation of a rapid heartbeat. (This is an aspect of her

somatic experience of the panic attack.)
The sense of being threatened. (This is a difficult aspect of her experience

and a part of her description with a lot of energy.)

P:
Its a chest pain. It starts like [makes her right palm into a fist and begins to
move it toward and away from her chest showing a heart palpitation] that,
the heart pounding very fast and I feel very hyper at the very beginning,
very, very hyper. I can do anything that you want me to do. My friends tell
me that my face changes completely. They say that they could see there is
something going on. It's like eyes are different, face is different and I'm very
hyper. I notice it, like it starts today and I feel like, you know [looks at R] like
when women feel like they're PMSing, they're a little bit like [moves her
hand rapidly back and forth], they feel so hyper.
In looking at the above excerpts one could identify the following aspects of the
womans experience as possible entry points:
The physical sensation of the rapidly pounding heart.
The sense of being hyper.
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AF: So now let's talk about the panic attack itself. I dont have them so you have
to describe it somehow in a way that know what it's like, give me the
sense
P:
Well, I'll tell you one side of the worst thing about it, is a feeling of isolation.
That there can be a million people there or the nicest people in the world,
and nobody can get to me.
AF: [Nods] Hm!

P:
You know?
AF: No, I didnt but I

P:
That's the worst feeling.
AF: Um hum
AF: Nobody can get to you at all. The worst is that you're right there, there could
be the nicest characters around you but
P:
Someone could hug me and it wouldnt matter
AF: Right, something

P:
something has cut me off [brings her two hands down vertically in front of
her chest in an abrupt movement] from everything
AF: Aha! Great! Gotcha! [Nods]

P:
That's not the whole of it but
AF: That's a big piece.

P:
In a way that's the worst feeling.
In looking at the above excerpt, one could identify the feeling of isolation, which
for the woman is the worst part of the experience of the panic attack, as a
possible entry point.
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P:
But my original experience, it really was like an attack. I really wouldn't have
much warning at all. You know, [snaps fingers] just like that I'd be in that
state
AF: Oh yeah
P:
[Nods] and convinced that I was about to die. You know?
AF: Oh... I dont know myself personally. I mean, I've had things like that but
never that panic thing. What is it like? You feel like you're going to suddenly
die?
P:
[Body leans forward] Yeah and it really is sort of a
AF: Like heart racing and

P:
Sure, yeah it's like all these things [brings his hands up the front of his
body and at the level of the chest opens them up with palms facing upward]
are going on and you just have the conviction that something is wrong. It
must be because I'm freaked out.
AF: Yeah [looks at R]

P:
[looks at R] and of course you really can't see anything. So I always

typicallyyou know, a little bit of medical knowledge is terrible
AF: Oh! Worse..

P:
especially for somebody with imagination! [Smiles] So I think, "Well, this

must be what an asthma attack is like. I think I'm having my first asthma
attack. I'm probably about to suffocate or a heart attack or something like
that. Early on I would have to I'd look in the mirror and make sure, "Oh,
look, my face is red I can't be having a heart attack, I'd be clammy or
something if I werent getting enough blood oxygen!" But, you know, it's an
attack. It completely sort of inundates my awareness. There is really nothing
else it is like
AF: You're overwhelmed by it in way you can't think usually.

P:
I can't say, "Well, I'll think about this later!"
AF: Yeah
P:
It is really panic [nods]

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In looking at the above excerpt one could identify the following aspects of the
mans experience as possible entry points:
The sense of being attack without warning.
A little later in the work another entry point was revealed as the man described
an aspect of his experience of the panic attacks that he actually enjoyed:
AF: So the medications are working and you're happy with that
P:
[Tilts his head to the right and puts his lips together, in my interpretation of
his signals saying something like, "Not really"]
AF: [Nods] and that's what you will be staying with for a while, for the moment
P:
Yeah, for the moment, sure. I mean I guess I wouldn't say happy overall.
Um I dont have any intrinsic problems with drugs or the idea of them but
uhif I take Xanax, if I feel extremely anxious, or if I panic and I take Xanax
I feel pretty dead for a day, not really as sharp
AF: It cools you out a lot

P:
Yeah, and I like to keep my mind pretty stimulated. I probably actually quite
enjoy being close [his eyebrows go up, his eyes open wide and shine and
his mouth opens up to a big smile] to panic [nods] actually [still smiling]
AF: [Smiles] Yeah! I can understand that.

P:
It's sort of an excitement to me.
In looking at the above excerpt one could identify the state of consciousness the
man enters when he is close to a panic attack as a possible entry point.
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Identifying Entry Points in the Persons Momentary Physical Experience of the

Panic Attack
As revealed in the analysis of the cases studies, another place to look for
possible entry points into the process underlying a panic attack is the persons
momentary somatic experience, while recollecting the panic attack or while
experiencing it in the moment. In other words, identifying possible entry points in
a persons momentary somatic experience could potentially involve: a) eliciting
the persons recollection of the panic attack until the person has a sense of that
state in her body and then asking her to focus on her body experience; b) if the
person is already experiencing in the moment a little bit of the sense of panic,
directly asking him to focus on his body experience.
A note of caution: One need be conservative about taking this route and ensure
before doing so that the person is in good physical health and feels comfortable
entering into the altered state this would involve.
An illustration of eliciting the persons recollection of the panic attack until she
has a sense of it in her body can be seen in the following excerpt from case 1
(my own work):
AF: Can you remember
P:
[Nods and closes her eyes]
AF: some small amount of that panic state? Can you recall a little bit of that
panic feeling, the panic state, just enough so that you have a sense of it
P:
[Stands still, head tilted downward, eyes closed]

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AF: and maybe even you can feel a little bit of it in your body, not so much
that it is too uncomfortable but just enough so that you have a sense of it
P:
[Stands still, head tilted downward, eyes closed]
AF: Uh hm Can you feel it a little bit?

P:
[Nods keeping her eyes closed]
In looking at the above excerpt one could identify as an entry point the physical
sensation of the sense of panic that I indicate (through my non-verbal
communication signals nod of my head) to be experiencing in the moment.
The following excerpt from case 2 is an illustration of finding possible entry points
by asking the person to focus on her momentary physical experience of the panic
attack:
AF: Is it there now? A little tiny bit?
P:
A little
AF: Where is it?

P
[Points to belly]
AF: Oh yeah Tense?

P:
Um hum.
AF: How about up here? [Points to his chest]

P:
A little, too, yeah.
AF: What's happening up

P:
This [points to her tummy] is more noticeable but here [points to the chest
with her right palm] it's like something that [brings left palm up at same
height as right palm] it's like it's kind of frozen [Holds her hands up in
front of her, palms facing her chest, fingers of two hands almost touching.]
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In the above excerpt one can see that while listening to the description of the
womans momentary physical experience of the sense of panic, the awareness
facilitator also kept in mind the body area (chest) that the person had previously
identified as being involved in the experience of the panic attack (see excerpt
from same case on page 153), and guided the womans awareness to that area
when she did not include it in her description. Her somatic experience of that
area the sense of it being frozen is, in this case, the entry point that was
revealed.
The diversity of people's experiences ensures the impossibility of describing all

the possible methods through which entry points into the underlying process of a
panic attack might be revealed. The above is written in the spirit of illustrating a
way of thinking that can be helpful in the exploration of the process of panic.
Choosing an Entry Point

Different awareness facilitators will notice and be pulled toward different entry
points. All of the entry points ultimately lead to the same stream. An image that
could help one visualize this concept is that of a single string lying on the ground
in a big bundle with many twists and turns6. The entry points would be analogous
to the numerous curved endings popping out from this bundle. Any ending pulled
will unravel the same string. What ultimately determines the entry point that is
The image of an underlying process as a string was presented by Arnold Mindell in his winter
class, Death and the Rainbow Body at the Process Work Center of Portland in September 2002.
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utilized and the path that is followed in the unraveling of this string is the person's
feedback.
Step 5 [Dreamland]: Entering the Process Underlying the Panic Attack

In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would help the person enter
the process underlying the panic attack by utilizing one of the entry points that
would have emerged in the earlier exploration of his subjective experience of the
panic attack (for instance, as we saw in step 4, the sense of going crazy, the
sense of not knowing what one is afraid of, etc.). In general, utilizing an entry
point involves helping the person begin to focus on the dreamlike aspect of his
experience of the panic attack that has been identified as an entry point. In this
phase of the work the awareness facilitator would be helping the person begin to
investigate the realm of dreamland.
An illustration of this can be seen in the following excerpt from case 2:

P:
AF: Like that? [AF mirrors hands' motion] Frozen?

P:
Yeah
AF: Ok, so go ahead and freeze up.
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In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator utilizes the entry point that
emerged in the exploration of the womans momentary physical experience of the
sense of panic (physical sensation of being frozen in the chest area see
excerpt on page 160) by encouraging her to stay with the physical sensation in
her chest area and amplify it (go ahead and freeze up).
In case 3 the awareness facilitator utilized the entry point that emerged in the
exploration of the womans experience of the panic (the sense of going crazy
see excerpt on page 154) by asking her to imagine what she would do were she
to go crazy (see Appendix H, case 3, page 320). In the same case the
awareness facilitator utilized a second entry point (the sense of imminent death
see excerpt on page 154) by asking the woman to imagine that she is dead and
enter that altered state of consciousness in the moment (see Appendix H, case
3, page 322) as well as a third one (the sense of being threatened see excerpt
on page 154) by asking the woman to imagine the worst possible threat (see
Appendix H, case 3, page 324).
exploration of the womans experience of the panic (the sense of being hyper
see excerpt on page 155) by asking her to recall that sensation and express it in
movement (see Appendix H, case 3, page 358).
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exploration of the womans experience of the panic (the sense of isolation see
excerpt on page 156) by asking her to focus on her inner experience, in this way
isolating herself momentarily consciously (see Appendix H, case 3, page 388).
mans exploration of his experience of the panic (the state of consciousness he
experiences when he is close to but not yet inundated by panic see excerpt on
page 157) by asking him to recall this state of consciousness and enter it
consciously (see Appendix H, case 3, page 420).
In table 2 below, I summarize the various possible entry points I observed in the
six case studies and the way in which the awareness facilitator utilized some of
them to enter into the process underlying panic. As the reader will note, some of
the entry points were not utilized in the six cases as the awareness facilitator and
the research participant chose to focus on some and not others. In Appendix I, I
suggest possible ways that an awareness facilitator could utilize the entry points
that were not utilized in these six cases studies.
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Entry Points
Observed in Cases 1-6
Utilization of Entry Point
The sense of terror coming upon her

expressed in the verbal signal of the
sound hhoooo," and the nonverbal
signals of the downward motion of a
hand and thumping of a foot.
(Case1)
This entry point was not utilized in the six cases studies.
See Appendix I for possible utilization.
The sense of going crazy.

(Cases 1, 3)
The AF asked the person to imagine what she would do

should she go crazy. (See case 3)
The sense of not knowing what one

is afraid of. (Cases 1, 6)
This entry point was not utilized in the six case studies.
The sense of lack of oxygen.

(Cases 2, 5, 6)
The sense of being threatened.

(Case 1, 3)
The AF asked the person to imagine the worst possible

threat. (See case 3)

(Case 2, 3, 6)
The AF asked the person to imagine that she is dead and

enter that altered state of consciousness in the moment.
(See case 3)
The physical sensation of the rapid

heartbeat. (Case 3, 4)
The physical sensation in chest area

of being frozen. (Case 2)
The AF asked the person to amplify that sensation by

freezing up entirely. (See case 2)
The feeling of being hyper. (Case 4)
The AF asked the person to recall that feeling and

express it in movement. (See case 4)
The feeling of isolation. (Case 5)
The AF asked the person to focus on her inner

experience, consciously cutting off from the outside world
momentarily. (See case 5)
The sense of being attacked without

warning (Case 6)
The altered state of consciousness

experienced when close to, but not
yet inundated by panic. (Case 6)
The AF asked the person to recall this state of

consciousness and enter it consciously. (See case 6)
Table 2: Utilization of Entry Points into the Process Underlying a Panic Attack
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Step 6 [Dreamland]: Unfolding the Dreamlike Aspects of the Panic Attack

A person's focus on an aspect of her experience of the panic attack (i.e., the
utilization of an entry point that was discussed in the previous step) is a form of
amplification which sets in motion an unraveling of that experience. In this phase
of the work the awareness facilitator would help the person further that
unraveling. This further unraveling involves helping the person track the flow of
her experience using various methods (described in greater detail in Chapter 4,
pages 128-132) until the person has a sense that the experience has unfolded
and explained itself (revealed its meaning for the persons life).
The experience itself that is unraveling points toward the particular methods
needed for its further unfolding. In this section, I attempt to elucidate and
explicate this by discussing the basic principle underlying the unfolding of any
process; grouping the entry points that emerged in the analysis of the data into
categories of possible routes of unfolding; using excerpts from the case studies
to illustrate each of these routes.
Basic Principle Underlying Unfolding

The awareness facilitators role in the unfolding of any process is guided by the
belief in the wisdom of nature, of process. This belief translates to the idea that a
problem contains its own solution, in the sense that, embedded in what manifests
as a disturbance of a persons everyday life (body symptom, addiction, panic
attack, relationship problem, etc.) is a needed direction. Though the actual
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experience is problematic, the direction it points to is valuable and needed. For

example, as readers can see in the excerpt from case 3 on page 145, though the
woman's addiction to opiates was harmful and problematic the state of
consciousness she was unsuccessfully attempting to reach through the
substance (the cooling out) was needed.
In other words, in this way of thinking, the problematic experience is seen

(symbolically and through a teleological lens) as a carrier of information about a
needed direction. Thus, a basic question that is on the awareness facilitator's
mind while unfolding a process is, "What is the direction being revealed, and in
what way is this direction right or needed?"
Using the belief in the wisdom of a process as a guide in its unfolding involves
thinking symbolically about a persons subjective experience of a disturbance to
look for the direction it points to; believing in the rightness of the direction;
encouraging the person to explore this direction consciously. Thus for instance,
in the above example the unfolding of the addiction to opiates would involve
finding out the womans experience of the substance (asking her what happens
to her when she takes the opiates); thinking symbolically about her response
seeing it as a direction, believing in the wisdom of the direction and encouraging
her to go in that direction consciously (thinking about cooling out as a direction,
believing in its rightness and encouraging the woman to cool out in the moment
noticing what happens to her); looking for, believing in the rightness of, and
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following the next direction that will be revealed in her momentary experience
(noticing what happens to her when she cools out in the moment, thinking
about that symbolically to find the direction it points to, believing in the wisdom of
that direction, and encouraging the woman to go consciously in that direction,
noticing what happens to her next).
In other words, the awareness facilitator encourages the person to follow

consciously each new direction indicated by the process until the unfolding is
complete (the person exploring the experience has arrived at a sense of
meaning). I illustrate this process of unfolding below in greater detail through the
case studies.
Grouping of Entry Points into Categories of Routes

One can group the various entry points that emerged in people's descriptions of
their subjective experiences of the panic attacks (described in detail in step 4 and
summarized on table 2) in terms of the following categories:
1. Entry points leading to a route that goes through a person's somatic

experience or somatic expression of the experience of the panic attack
such as, the physical sensation of the rapid heartbeat; the sense of lack of
oxygen; the sense of terror expressed in the verbal signal of the sound
hhoooo," and the nonverbal signals of the downward motion of a hand
and the thumping of a foot on the ground. Case 1, 2 and 4 are examples
of unfolding via this route.
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2. Entry points leading to a route that goes through a person's experience of

being disturbed by or fearing or experiencing an altered state of
consciousness such as, the sense of going crazy; the sense of imminent
death; the feeling of isolation; the feeling of being hyper; the altered state
of consciousness (the sense of being hyper-aware) that the person
experienced when he was close to but not yet inundated by panic. Case 3,
5 and 6 are examples of unfolding via this route.
3. Entry points leading to a route that goes through a person's fear of an
occurrence such as, the sense of not knowing what the person was afraid
of; the sense of being threatened. Case 3 is an example of unfolding via
this route.
First Category of Routes of Unfolding

In the first category of routes (of unfolding the process underlying panic attacks)
that emerged in the case studies, the route goes through the person's physical
experience of the panic attack, whether the entry points (i.e., the specific physical
sensations present in the moment) emerge through the person's description of
her panic attack, or through the person's recollection of that state, or through the
person's momentary experience of that state.
Here, the principle of belief in the wisdom of nature translates to the idea that the
physical manifestations of panic attack contain (point to) a needed direction for
the persons life. The awareness facilitator works with the persons somatic
experience of the panic attack following the flow of signals through the various
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channels until the necessity and meaning of the energy that manifests as a
disturbance in the body is revealed. Awareness facilitators need to be cautious
about working directly with the somatic experience of panic and ensure that the
person is in good physical condition and feels at ease with journeying through
this altered state of consciousness.
In unfolding the process underlying the somatic experience of a panic attack an

awareness facilitator follows the same method that she would follow in unfolding
the process underlying body symptoms. Mindell (1982; 1985; 1990; 2000; 2004)
Mindell and Mindell (1992) and Goodbread (1997) have written extensively in this
area. In general, the unfolding of body experiences involves the methods
discussed in chapter 4 in the description of the Process Work paradigm. Namely:
(1) Amplification: Amplifying the experience in the sensory channel in which it is

experienced by focusing on it and making it more intense. An illustration of this
can be seen in the following excerpt from case 2:
P:
it's like it's kind of frozen [Holds her hands up in front of her, palms
facing her chest, fingers of two hands almost touching.]

P:
Yeah

P:
Um hum [closes her eyes and nods]
AF: Freeze right up entirely

P:
[Sits still in silence]
AF: Get like a knot, so to speak in your head

P:
[Head tilts downward]

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AF: That's great You're getting real frozen [Moves toward her] I'm going to
see if you're frozen [touches her left knee giving her leg a small push and
then taps her left knee with his finger] Oh yeah! [Touches the top of her
head with his palm and then taps it lightly] Oh yeah! Thats good, and
while you're doing that [lightly pats her left knee] pay attention to what you
experience inside
In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator helps the woman amplify her
physical experience of her sense of panic (the sense of her chest being frozen)
by encouraging her to freeze up while noticing what she is experiencing.
(2) Channel changes: Noticing and following the flow of signals as they move
from one channel of perception to another until an experience has completed
itself and revealed its significance or meaning. An example of this can be seen
in the following excerpt from case 2:
P:
I just felt like a rush! [The palm of her left hand which was resting in her
lap made a small quick, abrupt upward motion]
AF: I saw it with your hand [touches her hand] What it do? What happened?
How did the rush go?
P
[Makes the hand motion and spontaneously adds a sound "fseew"]
AF: Do that again.

P:
[Makes motion and sound]
AF: [Makes sound with her louder and twice]

P:
[Repeats motion and sound, this time louder]
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In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator follows the channel changes
from proprioception to movement and audition and encourages amplification of
signals in those channels.
(3) Noticing and working with edges involved: Noticing and working with
incomplete and cycling signals, or signals that disappear without having been
fully unfolded. This is illustrated in the excerpt below from case 2:
P:
Yeah and then up to here [her left hand is now repeating this sudden,
abrupt motion of coming up from the tummy to the chest along the vertical
center of the body]
AF: It's a rush coming up. Phseew!

P:
Um hum [Keeps repeating the motion] Now, I'm hot [removes her
sweater]
AF: Rush coming up Phewwweeew!

P:
Um hum [Sits still now, silent, with her head tilted downward]
AF: [sits still in silence]

AF: Um hum What happened to the rush?
P:
It's frozen now (laughs) No rush!
AF: What happened when you took your sweater off?
In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator notices the disappearance of the
energy of the rush and explores what occurred around the moment of its
disappearance.
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(4) Following feedback: Noticing the person's verbal and nonverbal feedback
and using it as information on the process and the direction it is heading
toward. An example of this can be seen in the excerpt below from case 2:
P
[Starts making the sound of her heart beating in the rhythm that it's
beating. The rhythm is a fast one] fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh
AF: Let me see, can you do the motion with one of your hands?
P
[Makes pumping motion with her left palm, then the hand stops]
AF: Hm [touches her hand]

P:
AF: Did it quiet down?

P:
Um hum
AF: It quieted down! So every time you feel something and you express it, it
quiets down
P:
Um hum [loud]
AF: Just keep your attention inside, whatever arises maybe you want to feel
free to express it.
In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator notices that cessation of the
hand's movement and tests to see if it is an edge by touching it. That is, he
touches the hand to check if the movement stopped because the experience
completed itself and the process has now unfolded into stillness, or because the
woman reached an edge i.e., an experience began to arise that was beyond
the known world of her experiences in the movement channel. Observation has
shown that the body gives feedback to a given stimulus, whether it is oral, such
as in the case of questions, or tactile, such in the case of touch. Awareness
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facilitators trained in the Process Work paradigm are trained to watch for that
feedback and use the term somatic answer to refer to it. If the process was
incomplete in the movement channel, the hand would have begun to move again
repeating the same motion. In this case, the hand remains still in response to the
stimulus (the facilitators touch). This is negative feedback to the stimulus of
movement. The awareness facilitator drops his hypothesis of the cessation of the
motion being an edge and incorporates the somatic response as new information
about the nature of the process, seeing the cessation of the motion as the
direction that the process is heading toward. Namely, that every time the person
feels something and expresses it, it quiets down.
In Appendix H (case 1) the reader can track with me from beginning to end the
unraveling of the dreamlike background of panic via the route of unfolding a
persons somatic experience of the panic attack. Cases 2 and 4 are also
examples of unfolding via this route.
Second Category of Routes of Unfolding

In the second category of routes (of unfolding the process underlying panic
attacks) that emerged in the case studies, the route goes through a person's
experience of being disturbed by or fearing or experiencing an altered state of
consciousness. Here, the principle of belief in the wisdom of nature translates to
the idea that the experienced or feared altered state of consciousness contains
(points to) a needed direction for the persons life. The unfolding in this route
involves identifying the altered state of consciousness that is experienced or
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feared; encouraging the person to enter it with awareness; continuing by

following the direction of unfolding indicated by what is revealed next until the
necessity and meaning of the direction pointed to by the altered state of
consciousness for the persons life emerges.
An investigation via this route is illustrated in case 3 (p. 320-325). The woman
was afraid of going crazy. This was one of the entry points that were revealed
when the awareness facilitator explored the woman's subjective experience of
her panic attacks (see excerpt on page 154). Focusing on this aspect of her
experience with the belief that there is something "right" about the direction of
"going crazy," the awareness facilitator encouraged the woman to imagine what
she would do were she to go totally crazy and discovered that going crazy for
her meant killing herself. This was the next direction that revealed itself in the
unfolding of the process. Focusing on this aspect of her experience with the
belief that there is something "right" about the direction of "killing herself," the
awareness facilitator encouraged the woman to imagine "being dead." From the
exploration of that altered state of consciousness emerged a deeper aspect of
herself, which she called her "soul," that was more detached, a state that she
needed as it offered her relief from being identified all the time with her and other
peoples suffering. This detached aspect of her unfolded even further, later on in
the work, through exploring another aspect of her panic attack experience: the
sense of being threatened by something (see pages 326-336).
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Thinking symbolically, one could see the panic attack as pointing toward a
needed direction of dropping her identification with suffering and gaining access
to this soul aspect of herself. The hypothesis implied and needing to be tested
in this case would be that the more the woman opened up to the direction of
living this aspect of herself in her everyday life the less she would panic.
A second illustration of an investigation of panic attacks via this route (i.e., one
that goes through the persons experience of being disturbed by or fearing or
experiencing an altered state of consciousness) can be seen in case 5 (388411). One of the entry points that were revealed through the exploration of this
womans experience of her panic attacks was the sense of isolation that engulfed
her (see excerpt on pages 156). Focusing on this aspect of her experience with
the belief that there is something "right" about the direction of the engulfing
isolation (i.e., believing in the wisdom of the hinted direction in the disturbance)
the awareness facilitator encouraged the woman to enter that altered state of
consciousness with awareness; i.e., experiment with cutting off entirely from the
outside world, and notice and follow her inner experiences.
The woman closed her eyes and began to report on her inner experiences. The
awareness facilitator, continuing to trust the direction that her inner experiences
were pointing to, followed the woman in a path that zigzagged through multiple
experiences: a sense of resentment for being asked to go inside; a sense of
things being screwed up inside; a sense of darkness, hands and the sound of
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screaming; difficulty to give credence to these experience; the sense of not being
able to investigate her experience further; relief at the awareness facilitators
statement that she never has to do anything; a question of how she would get
fixed if she did not go further into her experience; the sense of what needs to be
fixed being the fact that something in her felt scared and tucked away inside; the
sensation of an arrow going into her back; the memory of a car accident which
resulted in a serious back injury; the sense of being panicked and leaving the
scene while something else in her stayed and observed.
The awareness facilitator saw in that observer her underlying ability to be lucid
(aware) while in an altered state and proceeded to support that aspect of her by
encouraging her to stay with what she was noticing. The more the awareness
facilitator encouraged her to stay inside and track her experiences the freer she
seemed to become to investigate them i.e., the more involved she became in
actively exploring the images and sensations that were arising and the more
unencumbered the arising of experiences seemed to become.
Through this journeying the woman discovered an aspect of herself that she
called the singing lady: an aspect of herself that is free from her normal identity
and personal history; has a sense of connection with something larger than
herself; is able to go inside (drop out of her normal way of relating) and be lucid
(aware of what wants to come through her in the moment); free to express that,
bring that foreword in her everyday life. Toward the end of the session, while in
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touch with this aspect of herself, the woman sang in an amazingly beautiful,
booming voice a song in a blues rhythm.
Thinking symbolically, one could see the panic attack as pointing toward a
needed direction of developing and using in her life her ability to be lucid. The
hypothesis implied and needing to be tested in this case would be that the more
in line the woman got with this direction of lucidity (i.e., the more she opened up
to this aspect of herself and experienced it recreating her everyday life), the less
she would panic.
This case is a good illustration of a metaskill (the feeling attitude with which one
uses the skills) that is essential to the unfolding of a process. While I was
videotaping this work I had the sense of watching a midwife at work. This sense,
as I found out at the end of the session, went along with the womans experience
of feeling that the awareness facilitator had helped her give birth. When I studied
the work I realized that what had given me this sense was the feeling attitude
with which the awareness facilitator had used his skills to assist the woman in
tracking the flow of her experience a combination of patience, respect of her
rhythm and timing, encouragement, love, and total belief in the wisdom of the
flow of her experience as the ultimate guide. One could call this metaskill being
a midwife.
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A third illustration of an investigation of panic attacks via this route (i.e., one that
goes through the persons experience of being disturbed by or fearing or
experiencing an altered state of consciousness) can be seen in case 6 (412444). One of the entry points that were revealed through the exploration of this
mans experience of his panic attacks was his sense of an altered state of
consciousness, which he entered when he was close to but not yet inundated by
panic, and which he actually enjoyed (see excerpt on page 157).
Focusing on this aspect of the mans experience with the belief that there is a
something "right" about the direction embedded in the altered state, and after
ensuring that the man was in good physical condition and felt at ease with
exploring the altered state, the awareness facilitator asked the man to explore it
by imagining being in that state and describing what the awareness facilitator
might experience if he were in that state. As the man explored this state he
realized that he experienced a sense of "hyper-alertness."
Using the metaskill of a beginners mind (letting go of his preconceived ideas

about the sense of hyper-alertness and curious about the mans experience of
it), the awareness facilitator explored the mans experience further by asking him
to imagine what that state of hyper-alertness would do to the awareness
facilitator if it completely took over his mind. Asking the man to imagine the state
taking over the facilitators mind rather than his own is a way to help the man
explore the state further yet also maintain some distance from it.
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What was revealed from this exploration was a sense that "something terrible
was going happen." To unfold this next piece of information revealed in the
unfolding of the process, the awareness facilitator asked the man to imagine the
worst thing that could happen, which revealed the next bit of information needing
to be unfolded: an altered state of consciousness that the man had experienced
before in which he experienced "the present moment falling off into nothingness."
Seeing this as the next direction revealed in the unfolding, the awareness
facilitator encouraged the man to explore this by imagining the present moment
falling off into nothingness and perhaps even experiencing a little bit of that in
the moment.
Noticing that the mans response to his encouragement were statements like
maybe it cant, or I dont think that can actually happen, or Its more like the
fear of nothingness, the awareness facilitator hypothesized that the man had
come to an edge (the boundaries of his known world of experiences) and could
not quite go into this altered state. The awareness facilitator used various
methods to help the man explore the edge (i.e., what was stopping him from
experiencing that altered state) and cross it (experience a little bit of the altered
state the man referred to as nothingness).These methods included: asking him
to make a sketch of what he imagined nothingness might look like by
experiencing a little tiny bit the body sense of it and then letting his body express
that in a motion and through that motion a sketch; modeling this for the man by
experiencing his sense of nothingness and making a sketch of it; sharing with the
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man his experiences of nothingness (describing it as an inner quietness where

nothing is happening and then something popping up in his head); engaging with
the man in a role-play of the inner conflict between a part of the man that wants
him to experience the altered state of the present moment falling into
nothingness and a more shy and timid part of him that is afraid of these
experiences (having experienced them in the past in a way that was
overwhelming) and that wants to be a normal person and relate to people
(having experienced himself so pulled by those experiences that he withdrew
from the world in his everyday life); modeling opening up to the part of the man
that wants him to have these experiences and listening to it; supporting, valuing
and validating both parts of the man, encouraging him to both live in the world
and not be solely of it (i.e., live his everyday life while also allowing himself to
experience himself and the universe as awareness, and bring this experience
into his everyday life by relating to people about that state and letting it influence
the way he relates to others, and the work that he does in the world). Through
taking both roles in this role-play, the man experienced both aspects of himself
and got a sense of the direction in which he is developing moving more fluidly
between experiencing himself and the universe as both physical form and
awareness.
Thinking symbolically, one could see the panic attacks as pointing toward a
needed direction of opening up to his tendency to experience himself and the
world around him as both, a physical reality and intrinsic awareness. A
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hypothesis implied and needing to be tested in this case would be that the more
in line he got with this direction the less he would panic.
Third Category of Routes of Unfolding Panic

In the third category of routes (of unfolding the process underlying panic attacks)
that emerged in the case studies, the route goes through a person's fear of an
occurrence. Oftentimes the object of fear is unknown; in other words, the person
does not know what he is afraid of. Here, the principle of belief in the wisdom of
nature translates to the idea that the object or creator of the fear holds a needed
direction.
The unfolding in this route begins with investigating this unknown object of fear
by encouraging the person to imagine the worst possible threat or occurrence.
The unfolding continues by following the direction of unfolding indicated by what
is revealed next; that is, by encouraging the person to imagine that worst
possible threat or occurrence happening (for example, if the person is afraid of
going crazy or dying, encouraging the person to imagine being dead or going
crazy), or by encouraging the person to become the creator of the worst possible
threat of occurrence (for example, if the person is afraid of being killed, asking
the person to imagine becoming the killer).
The unfolding continues by following the direction of unfolding indicated by what

arises next (for example, if going crazy means having a fit of rage, seeing that as
the next direction of unfolding indicated by the process and encouraging the
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person to go into a fit of rage consciously) until the necessity and meaning of the
direction pointed to by the object or creator of the fear for the persons life
emerges.
An example of unfolding a persons fear of an occurrence is illustrated in case 3

(p. 326-343). One of the entry points that were revealed through the exploration
of this womans experience of her panic attacks was her sense of being
threatened (see excerpt on page 154). Focusing on this aspect of the womans
experience with the belief that there is something "right" about the direction of
being threatened, the awareness facilitator asked the woman to imagine the
worst kind of threat. When the woman investigated her sense of being threatened
she experienced it as her "soul" wanting to kill her. Believing that there is
something right, in a symbolic sense, in her soul wanting to kill her the
awareness facilitator saw this as the next direction indicated by what was
revealed in the unfolding and set up a role-play to investigate this "soul" aspect of
herself, the reasons it wanted to kill her, its needs, goals and desires. The
awareness facilitator played the woman and the woman played her soul.
The awareness facilitator encouraged the woman to notice her inner experiences
while playing the role of her soul and the woman noticed that she felt detached.
The woman also became aware at that point that she (in her everyday state of
mind) was against this sense of detachment she got angry about it. Further
interaction between these two aspects of the woman revealed that the woman
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was closed to what she referred to as her soul, while the soul yearned to be
trusted and let in. The awareness facilitator saw that as the next direction
indicated in the unfolding, and modeled opening up to the soul in the role-play.
When the awareness facilitator (in the role of the womans everyday self) opened
up to the soul, the woman (in the role of the soul) felt an outpouring of love
toward her everyday self and told her everyday self that she keeps that love out.
The awareness facilitator encouraged the woman to imagine the body area
through which her soul would enter her body and then experiment with opening
up and letting it come in. Asking the woman to imagine this aspect of herself
entering her body is a way to her experience it directly. The woman imagined her
soul as a light entering her body through her chest area and experienced a
momentary sensation of "just being," a state of consciousness radically different
from her everyday self's identification with suffering. This state of just being was
connected with a sense of detachment and a deep sense of knowingness. The
awareness facilitator saw this as an aspect of the woman that could be an
enlightener for herself and others. Thinking symbolically, one could see the panic
attacks as pointing toward a needed direction of opening up to this deeper aspect
of herself as a light illuminating herself and others. A hypothesis implied and
needing to be tested in this case would be that the more in line she got with this
direction the less she would panic.
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Summary of Categories of Routes of Unfolding

In table 3 below, the reader can see a summary of the three categories of routes
toward unfolding the process underlying panic attacks that emerged in the case
studies and the application of the principle underlying unfolding to each route.
Category of Route
of Unfolding
Route going through a

person's somatic experience
or somatic expression of the
experience of the panic
attack.
Application of Principle
of Belief in the Wisdom of Nature
The physical experience holds a needed direction. Unfold by

focusing on the person's somatic experience of the panic,
following the flow of signals through the various channels until the
necessity and meaning of the energy that manifests as a
disturbance in the body is revealed.
The altered state holds a needed direction. Unfold by identifying

the altered state of consciousness that is experienced or feared,
person's experience of being
encouraging the person to enter it with awareness, and
disturbed by or fearing or
continuing to follow the direction of unfolding indicated by what is
experiencing an altered
revealed next until the necessity and meaning of the direction
state.
pointed to by the altered state of consciousness for the persons

life emerges.
The object or the creator of the fear holds a needed direction.

person's fear of an
occurrence.
Unfold by encouraging the person to imagine the worst possible

threat or occurrence and following the direction of unfolding
indicated by what is revealed next until the necessity and
meaning of the direction pointed to by the object or creator of the
fear for the persons life emerges.
Table 3: Application of the Belief in the Wisdom of Nature in the Categories of Routes of
Unfolding the Process Underlying a Panic Attack
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Step 7 [Dreamland CR]: Understanding the Significance of the Unfolded

Experience of the Panic Attack for the Persons Life
As we saw in the previous section, the unfolding of the dreamlike aspects of a
person's experience of the panic attack (the exploration of dreamland) continues
until the necessity and meaning of the direction pointed to by the unfolded
experience of the panic attack emerges (i.e., until the disavowed aspects of a
persons nature are revealed). This seventh step is differentiated from the
previous one to highlight the moment in which the dynamic relationship between
the experience unfolded in the realm of dreamland and the person's experience
in the realm of consensus reality is illuminated. The awareness facilitator can
assist in the development of such an understanding by pointing out the
connections as they arise. An example of this can be seen in the excerpt below
from case 2:
P:
[Her upper body folds and she drops to the ground, rolls on her back holding
the pillow over her face, then she just starts following her body (i.e., allowing
her body to move), rolling around. She moves in front of AF]
AF [Reaches his hand and puts it on her back]

P
[Keeps moving her body in relation to AF's hand on her back]
AF Yeah, this is your relationship style

P:
[laughs]
AF This is what you'll really be

P:
Yeah, whatever that is!
AF: Very somatic [AF still has his hand on her back]
P:
Yeah [laughs] puts her head in his lap, stays there for a minute then gets
up] A! It feels so good!
AF: Very physical.

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P:
It's very physical. My body just feels like that [she drops to the ground again]
and I just go okaaayyyy.[Rolls around and ends up again kneeling on all
four in front of AF with her forehead touching the ground.]
AF: [Puts his hand on the back] Right and a very touching connection too.
P:
Um hum
AF: Very free

P:
[Rolls around once more and ends up sitting on her knees]
AF: This reminds me, this is really good, this is really rightThe other day when
we worked
P:
I know! [Laughs]
AF: Can I say?

P:
Yeah! Yeah! It's so interesting!
AF: There's a contactfulnes, not verbal, just sort of [his body mirrors her
previous movements] this [His hand reaches out and touches her arm
while his head is tilted down and his eyes closed]
P:
Yeah
AF: (reach?) without limits Just contacting [his head goes down again with
his eyes closed, his hands touching her knees]
P:
Yeah
AF: It wants to meet Any other way of relationship is unbearable.

P:
Um hum
AF: To some people you want to make contact with [he touches her arm] to
others you want to say [puts his tongue out making a grimace and a motion
with his hands as if pushing something away]
P:
[She looks at him and laughs nodding in agreement]
AF: [With his eyes still closed and his hands up in the air pushing something or
somebody away] I have to go.
P:
Um hum [in a loud voice]
AF: I don't know why, I'm just going!

P:
Oh god! That's so good
AF: How?
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P:
That part!
AF: It's also somatic, you see. [He comes close, closes his eyes, touches lightly
her knee and turns his head to the side] You're Ok, my body has to go, it's
gone. There I go. Fseew! I dont know why, I'll discuss it next month!
P:
[Laughs while looking at him intensely]
AF: If at all.
P:
That's so I'm fascinated! That's so my experience! [Laughs]
AF: Yeah, like a shaman. You dont have to know why

P:
Uh huh
AF: Just feel it here [points at his tummy then puts his hands up in front of him
facing her] fssshhhh [and then turns suddenly to the side] fseeew! I love
you today [turns his body back to face her but still has his eyes closed] you
are ok, but that's it! Fseew [turns to the side] I am over here! [Turns and
looks at her] What happened to you? [He's acting as if the person he was
relating to asked him that question] I dont know! I am gone!
P:
[Laughs!]
AF: Non verbal It's a relationship style!

P:
Oh, god! [Laughs!] How does that look Arny? [Her body sways to the side,
her head tilted toward the ground then comes up again]
AF: It looks like accepting whatever is in your body!

P:
Uh huh!
AF: It has no form.

P:
Right!
AF: I dont know what it will look like.

P:
Right!
AF: Like [his head tilts downward as his body leans forward] It looks like me
today. Quiet voice [whispers] That's what I am, but still in contact [reaches
his leg and touches her knee with his toes]
P:
Um hum
AF: The people I don't want to contact, I turn my back on them.

P:
Um hum
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AF: I've never done that in public but in my practice I'll [he turns his back to
her]
P:
Really?
AF: Yeah, I'll go and look out the door. What are you doing? What are you
doing? I dont know! [He was role playing the conversation between himself
and the person he's turned his back to] You have no models.
P:
I like that! [Laughs] I dont have any models
AF: So you have to create them

P:
Um hum I'm going to be really weird!
AF: You are!

P:
Um hum!
AF: But warm and friendly.

P:
Um hum!
AF: Just unpredictable!

P:
Um hum!
AF: So you can't be a predictable partner or a predictable mother, father,

therapist, anything
P:
Um hum
AF: and yet something is very predictable, but getting into a category or box for
you is death. Fssssew [He makes the motions that she was making when
she was expressing the tension in her body and then he throws a punch]
P:
[Laughs]
AF: Some is good, and then some not.

P:
I feel good!
In the excerpt above the awareness facilitator points out the unique style of
relating that has emerged through the unfolding of the womans experience of
her panic attack (the investigation of the realm of dreamland). It is a style of
relating that involves being in touch with what is happening in her body and
relating from there; being free to follow her inner senses body feelings,
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movement tendencies, intuitions and express them (through touch and

movement, as well as, words) without having to have a rational understanding of
them before doing so. If embraced, this inwardly and somatically oriented relating
style would alter the womans experience of everyday reality.
Another example of pointing out connections between the persons everyday life
and the unfolded experience of the panic attack can be seen in the excerpt below
from case 3:
AF: Well, the panic part is about being destroyed so that you fall back onto your
soul!
P:
Oh! Ok!
AF: You have to see that [points to the camera]. That's why I am saying, Let it
go. Go back to your soul. Otherwise, if you get too tied up with the actual
suffering, the soul gets pissed cause you're not getting the point that it's me
(the soul) that counts. Let go and [makes the sign of quotes in the air] "die."
Relax and die. You get too like that [brings his hands in front of him and
clenches his fingers in tension] about something,
P:
Right [nods]
AF: you work too much.

P:
[Burst out in laughter] Ok!
AF: Just let yourself die once a day, that's my recipe for you!
P:
It is?! [Laughs] Ok!
AF: Kill yourself," so to speak [makes motions of quotes in the air] in a nice
way.
P:
Ok!
AF: Just [Takes a big breath and exhales] fseeeew [stays quiet for a few
seconds] Talk to your soul.
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P:
[Nods]
AF: Let it in
P:
[Nods]
AF: It'll do it.

P:
Ok [Smiles widely and nods]
AF: It will do what you need.
In the above excerpt the awareness facilitator points out the relationship between
an aspect of the womans nature that gets tied up with the experience of suffering
and an aspect of herself that emerged from the unfolding of her experience of the
panic attack that she called her soul a state of just being, as was revealed
from further exploration of the womans experience of the soul (see transcript in
Appendix H). The awareness facilitator recommends that she embrace this
aspect of herself by experimenting, once a day, with letting go of her usual state
of doing (being absorbed in and working to alleviate suffering) and allowing her
actions to emerge from her a state of just being.
Oftentimes, this stage of the work involves helping the person develop the
relationship between the disavowed aspects of himself (that have been revealed
through the unfolding of the experience of the panic attack) and other aspects of
himself with which he identifies. An illustration of this can be seen in the following
excerpt from case 4:
AF: So I'm going to make a suggestion to you. I'm not sure if it's going to work
but it's fun. Maybe you're already doing it! You should write a dialogue
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between a very conventional mother and a very creative daughter. Have

those two things dialogue a lot, and you should have a third party called the
positive mother because that's very much in you too, something that loves
you and supports you.
In the excerpt above the awareness facilitator suggests that the woman develop
a relationship between a creative aspect of herself that was revealed through the
unfolding of her experience of the panic attack, and a more conventional aspect
of herself, personified by her mother and her friends (see transcript in Appendix
H). The awareness facilitator suggests that the woman incorporate in the
dialogue the loving supportive figure that also emerged in the work, which can be
facilitative of the interaction between the two aspects of the woman. The
development of such a dialogue could bring these two aspects of the woman
closer together giving her the inner support to live her life creatively; i.e., as it is
recreated anew each moment by her creative nature.
Step 8 [Dreamland Essence]: Sensing the Essence of the Unfolded

Experience of the Panic Attack
In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would help the person to
sense the essence of the unfolded experience of his panic attack (the newly
revealed aspects of his nature), making a transition from the realm of dreamland
to the realm of essence. For example, continuing with case 2 used to illustrate
step 7, in this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would ask the woman
to sense the essence of her experience of relating through rolling around on the
floor.
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One of the methods that Mindell has developed to assist a person in sensing the
essence of an experience (see Chapter 4, pages 132-133) involves encouraging
the person stay with an experience and sense it until she senses an essential
quality or state. An illustration of this can be seen in case 3:
AF: Yeah? That's OK too. We'll go with that too in a minute but just for the
moment stay with that light.
P:
All right [Head leans back and eyes look up and after 15 seconds head
turns to the left]
P:
It's hard for me to really experience it on the spot..
AF: You did for a little bit, didn't you?

P:
Yeah, I mean, I can for
AF: A minute.
P:
Yeah
AF: What was that like?

P:
Kind of like that dream-like thing that you talk about, where you're just
before you think anything you're
AF: Before you think there's this dreamlike something

P:
Yeah, there's this kind of feeling of being I guess.
AF: Feeling of beingThat's the deepest thing

P:
Yeah
AF: that you could feel

P:
Yeah
AF: and I understand that it's hard to stay with that.

P:
Right, yes, just like meditating, you know, you keep
AF: That's something you may want to go back to, now and then, just feeling
opening up to that light, and maybe it's good that actually Lily is here, she
can write that up, that's something that you want to develop slowly, in time.
And you will anyhow, because your soul will make you do that!
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In the above excerpt, the awareness facilitator encourages the woman to go back
to experiencing the light (which is how she had imagined her soul entering her
body) and stay with it. Staying with that experience, the woman had a momentary
sense of a feeling of just being.
Another method of assisting a person in sensing the essence of an experience

involves encouraging the person to go beyond the content (significance and
meaning revealed in the previous step, which involves cognitive understanding)
and ask himself where the experience is heading for, where it is yearning to go,
what its intent is. An illustration of this can be seen in case 1 (my own work):
AF: Ok! Now how about going even further? Go further into lovemaking, not
that there has to be anything else, but what's in the love making? Go even
further. What's way behind it? [Roars and mimics that roaring character
grabbing her head] Aaarrrrr yiumph!
[The second awareness facilitator (AF2) grabs P's arm. P grabs AF2's left arm
and then lets go, and then grabs AF2's both arms]
AF: Yeah, grab her!
P:
[Grabs AF2 and goes into the movements more slowly, meditating on
them] It's just like Ugh! It's just like [grabs AF2 and brings her into
her body in a tight hug]
AF2: You got me!

AF: Holding
P:
AF: I see holding

P:
Yes, but it's also like going for it, not stopping
AF: Uh hm And now you have it. What is it you got there?
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P:
[Grabs AF2 tighter and holds on, closing her eyes]
AF: That's where it's going [points at her] Something really big in there
[moves to the background and stays quiet]
[AF2 holds on tighter and rests her head on P's shoulder. AF2 nods]
P:
I then start letting go like I start to disappear
AF: It starts to disappear it lets go And what is it that's happening before

you let go? What is it that it got? [Opens his arms to the side and then
brings them closer encouraging them to go back into the hug] Sorry to go
back
[P and AF2 hug again]
AF: What is that? [Puts his hands on P's hands as they are wrapped around
AF2] What are the words? Maybe there is a word for that?
[P and AF2 stay for another minute in one another's arms in silence, then P
moves a little backward and wipes a tear]
P:
Just love
AF: Just love
In the above excerpt, the awareness facilitator encourages me to go further into

the experience that had unfolded from my body experience of the panic attack,
which I had named lovemaking, and feel deeply into it. He notices non-verbal
signals (relaxing of the muscles in my face) and points out the state change that
he perceives happening in that moment, and helps bring my attention back to
that moment and focus on that state when my awareness lets it slip by.
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Step 9 [Essence Consensus Reality]: Exploring the Sensed Essence and

Insights It Generates About the Persons Life
In this phase of the work the awareness facilitator would help the person explore
the essence underlying his unfolded experience of the panic attack (which the
person would have sensed in the previous phase of the work), and experience
that essence recreating his everyday life. In this phase of the work, the realm of
essence would be explored, leading eventually to a transition to the realm of
consensus reality.
One of the methods that Mindell has developed to assist a person in exploring
the essence realm (see Chapter 4, page 134) involves "shape-shifting" allowing
oneself to shift forms by sensing the essence of an experience and allowing that
to be expressed through sound, movement and quick sketches. Unfolding that
further involves allowing sounds to develop into a song or motions into a dance,
and sensing the figure that sings that song or dances that dance. Finding a
human figure that could represent the experience of the essence can help the
person make the experience more accessible. Asking the person, while in the
unfolding of the experience of the essence (for example, while singing her song,
or dancing her dance, or feeling into the figure she found) to imagine what kind of
life she would life from that state can generate insights into her life.
The phase of the work involving the exploration of the essence of a persons
experience of a panic attack can be seen in case 1 (286-288), case 3 (333-334),
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case 5 (405-415), case 6 (426-428, 433-433, 435-436). I have chosen to use

case 1 (my work) to illustrate this phase of the work to make use of the
opportunity presented by my choice to adopt a dual role as researcher and
research participant: namely, to utilize my experiences during the work and my
thoughts regarding these experiences as an additional source of information.
An illustration of a beginning exploration of the essence can be seen in the

following excerpt from case 1:
AF: What is that? [Touches with his left hand P's right shoulder and with his right
hand AF2s left shoulder as P & AF2 are hugging] What are the words?
Maybe there is a word for that?
[P and AF2 stay for another minute in one another's arms in silence, then P
moves a little backward and wipes a tear]
P:
Just love
AF: Just love

P:
Yeah [Tries to speak but no words are coming out]
AF: You dont have to say more about it. You can just feel it And I'm going to
ask you to do something that you probably wouldn't do by yourself and
that's to make another sign on top of this one [points to the drawing of the
energy of the panic that P made in the beginning] that goes along with that
feeling of lets use the word love [Stands still next to her] When
you're ready
[P's hands move and AF puts a marker in her palm]
AF: let your body make a motion.
P:
[Moves to the board and draws lines over the first one. Her motions are
slower than the ones she made before though they are still wave-like,
squiggly]
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In the excerpt above, the awareness facilitator encourages me to sense the

experience I had previously named love, allow that to be expressed in terms of
a hand motion and use that motion to create a sketch.
When I named the experience that I was sensing, love, I felt I lost something,
for that name did not fully represent the experience. Going back to sensing the
experience, expressing it in a motion, and through that, a visual representation,
allowed me to re-access that state and give it expression, while staying close to
it. Still, it felt like I had only just begun to explore this experience. I would have
needed more time to stay with my non-verbal expressions of the experience and
allow them to unfold further, in order to have a fuller sense of the experience.
Nonetheless, I had gotten a glimpse of it.
As seen below, at that point of the work the awareness facilitator asked me a
question to explore the effect that the experience of the essence might have on
my panic attacks. His question brought up a surprising experience in me:
AF: How can this I'm going through these things with you quickly, it would take
longer to really feel them all out but I want to ask you even though it may be
too much to ask you so quickly how does this feeling of love [makes the
slow wave-like motions that she made as she was drawing just now] help
with those panic states?
P:
[Puts her hands over her heart and with her eyes closed stays silent for a
minute] I think if I immerse myself in there there isn't going to be a panic
attack.
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When the awareness facilitator asked me the question I went inside sensing that
state of being I had just explored through the motions and the sketch, while also
asking myself that question. A few moments later, I noticed the physical
sensations in my chest area a sense of warmth and opening and had the
sense that panic does not exist in this state of being. Thinking about that
experience I am struck by the realization that those physical sensations that I had
in that moment in the area of my chest were opposite to the ones that I have in
that area during a panic attack. Finding my subjective experience of the panic
attack, unfolding that and getting to the essence of that unfolded experience
brought me in touch with an experience (a feeling, a state of being), which
involves physical sensations in the area of my chest that are opposite to the ones
I experience in that area during a panic attack.
This observation raises the possibility of a physical link between a persons

experience of a panic attack and the experience (the state of being) that emerges
through the unfolding of that experience. This observation could lead to a future
study investigating the existence of a correlation between the physical sensations
that are connected to a persons experience of a panic attack and the physical
sensations that are connected to the experience that emerges from the unfolding
of the persons experience of it. Furthermore, the existence of such a link could
point to an investigation focused on the effect of being open to and experiencing
(living in everyday life) the experiences (states of being) that emerge from the
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unfolding of a persons experience of a panic attack on the momentary and long

term physical experience of that person.
An illustration of exploring how the experience (state of being) that emerges from
the unfolding of a persons experience of a panic attack might re-create a
person's everyday life can be seen in the following excerpt from case 1:
P:
Does this [points to the drawing of the essence] say something about the
direction of life?
AF: Aha! Something about the direction of your life?

P:
[Nods]
AF: OK! Which direction does love go in? [P breaks into laughter!] I like your
laughter! How come you're laughing?
P:
[Beaming!] I know which direction! Thank you
In the above excerpt, the awareness facilitator seeing the state of being that
emerged in the unfolding of my experience of the panic attack as a guide, a
deeper direction to be followed helps me answer my question about the
direction of my life by asking me what direction my life would take were I to follow
this guide (this larger direction that I had named love). When the awareness
facilitator asked me that question I had an instantaneous sense (vision?) on the
left side of my body of a straight line that began where I stood and went all the
way to a person who was in the classroom, with whom I was in love. My insight in
that moment was, Wherever my heart leads me. That, for me, meant noticing
and believing in my deepest feeling experiences and letting them show me the
way. The significance of this insight that arose through my body experience that
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day unfolded slowly, in the following years, through a multitude of experiences

including my exploration of music, painting and dancing, my exploration of my
dreams, body experiences and relationships, my immersion into this research,
and my work as a therapist and group facilitator. I will expand on this in the
section below on my observations and insights from my personal experience
The Hypothesis Implied in the Description of the Approach

The analysis of the six case studies that comprise the data of this study (from
which I abstracted the process of investigating the consensual and nonconsensual aspects of a persons experience, and through which I illustrate it in
the nine steps described above) brings to the foreground a series of hypotheses
implied about the process underlying panic attacks.
Specifically, a central hypothesis that emerges in the analysis is that panic

attacks are connected to a needed direction in a persons life.
Looking at the experience of panic attacks
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Dreamland
from a teleological perspective (and one of

experiences arising from the realm of
essence through the realm of dreamland into
the realm of consensus reality) the word
Essence
Figure 7: Arising of Needed Direction
connected in the above hypothesis

connotes the following: A panic attack is an
arising of a direction that can be sensed in the realm of essence as subtle

tendencies, that intensifies when marginalized, appearing in the realm of
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dreamland as disavowed aspects of ones nature that can be seen in the figures
of a persons dreams, and in the realm of consensus reality as the force of a
panic attack. In this sense, a panic attack serves the purpose of relaxing ones
identification with some aspects of ones nature (ordinary, everyday self, ones
attachment to the realm of consensus reality), to allow identification with other
(marginalized) aspects of ones nature that are characteristic of a direction
arising. In other words, a teleological view of a central hypothesis about the
process underlying panic might be formulated in the phrase: I panic because who
I am is arising for the sake of becoming all of who I am (my whole nature).
Looking at the experience of panic attacks

from a causal perspective (and as
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experiences in the realm of consensus reality

Dreamland
that can be unfolded through the realm of

dreamland to its root experience in the realm
Essence
Figure 8: Unfolding of Panic Attack
of essence) the word connected in the

above hypothesis connotes the following:
The problem (the disruption of everyday life in the realm of consensus reality)
contains its own solution. That is, embedded within the experience of the panic
attack is a needed direction. The unfolding of the persons subjective experience
of the panic attack (i.e., the dreamlike or non-consensual aspects of the persons
experience of the panic attack) reveals marginalized aspects of a persons nature
and through those a needed direction for the persons life. In other words, a
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causal view of a central hypothesis about the process underlying panic might be
formulated in the phrase: I panic because I forgot who I am (my whole nature).
Implied in the above formulated central hypothesis is another hypothesis.

Namely, that aligning oneself with the needed direction that is embedded in the
experience of a panic attack (i.e., becoming aware of these aspects of ones
nature, opening up to them, and continually and consistently shape-shifting
allowing everyday life to be recreated from that sense of oneself) can have an
effect on the persons experience of panic attacks (i.e., reduce the severity or
eliminate the panic attacks). In other words, when one aligns with the direction
sensed in the realm of essence, the disturbance experienced in the realm of
consensus reality may dissolve. This hypothesis implies the assumption of a
mind-body connection an interaction between ones awareness and ones
body, between awareness and matter.
The deeper scientists probe into biology (genetics) in order to investigate

physical disturbances that people experience the more they are faced with
uncertainty i.e., an ever increasing complexity that cannot be fully understood
when looking at it solely from the perspective of the realm of consensus reality
(the realm of the tangible, physical dimensions of the body). For example,
researchers have not yet been able to identify biological causes of psychiatric
disorders. Moreover, researchers are no longer searching for a single major
abnormality in DNA as the cause. Rather, they are trying to discover and
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enumerate a list of abnormally acting genes triggered by both inherited (genes)

and acquired (environmental) risk factors that act together in a particular
sequence to cause a cluster of symptoms that appear in different disorders (see
Stahls Essential Psychopharmacology).
The current formulation of the focus of biological research on the origin of

psychiatric disorders includes the interaction between inherited and acquired risk
factors that play a role in triggering gene expression. This as yet undefined area
of interaction opens the field to various investigations, including that of the
interaction between ones awareness and the subatomic realms of ones body.
The investigation of this interaction is the focus of cutting edge research today in
many disciplines including physics, medicine, and psychology7.
Anecdotal Data Supporting the Investigation of the Hypotheses Implied in

the Description of the Approach
In this study I adopted a dual role as researcher and research participant by
working with Mindell on my experiences of panic attacks (see case 1), and by
keeping track of my experience of panic attacks over the course of my doctoral
studies. Adopting a dual role as researcher and research participant gave me the
opportunity to bring to the foreground the viewpoint created by the combination of
See Rossis, The Psychobiology of Gene Expression, Mindells, Quantum Mind and Healing,
Kandels, A new intellectual framework for psychiatry? Van Praag et al.s, Functional
neurogenesis in the adult hippocampus.
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the multiple lenses through which I viewed my topic of inquiry: the lens of a
researcher looking at the data attempting to abstract basic principles, methods
applied and hypothesis implied; the lens of a practitioner trained in Process Work
looking at the data attempting to understand it from within that particular
theoretical framework; the lens of the person working on her experiences of
panic attacks using this approach, attempting to note the momentary effects of
the various interventions, as well as the long-term effects of the work. The
combination of these lenses led me to certain observations and insights
regarding my personal experience that can serve as anecdotal data supporting
the direction of further investigation of the hypothesis outlined above in future
research. Below I summarize these observations and insights.
In my work with Mindell I unfolded the somatic experience of my momentary

sense of panic (a slight trembling in my legs) and discovered (in the realm of
dreamland) intensity and fierceness characteristics of my nature that I mostly
marginalized, having internalized familial edges and cultural norms. Opening up
to these aspects of my nature involved pursuing fiercely in my everyday life the
freedom to feel my emotions in all their intensity and depth, and bring them into
my relationships. Over time this created a shift from trying to temper what I
perceived as my extremity to finding balance through increased fluidity to move
in and out of extreme emotions.
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Going back to my work with Mindell, when I attempted to sense the seed at the
core of this intensity and fierceness (i.e., find the essence of the experience that
had unfolded from my experience of the panic attack) I sensed a state of being
that I named love. Investigating this as a signifier of a deeper direction
organizing my life, I had the insight that this involved following my heart.
Sensing now, two years after my work with Mindell, this deeper direction as an
organizing principle of my life reveals a life-style that requires of me to be open to
the moment, to the unknown, to unpredictability; notice, believe in and unfold my
inner experiences (my sensations, feelings, intuitions); allow myself to be guided
by a sense of being pulled to relationships, tasks, experiences; immerse myself
deeply into life while also developing a sense of detachment from the externally
applied definitions of myself that this creates; be willing to let go of (my) life as I
know it and open to what arises next.
It is my personal experience that the more I align myself with this direction of
fluidity the more I experience an aspect of myself that is not solely connected to
my physical form. This aspect of me walks in the direction of the ocean, is the
ocean, the constant ebb and flow From there, I look at the aspect of myself
that sometimes feels anxious and I say to her, Of course you panic! The
unknown is scary. Dont worry, Im here. I have your back. Trust me. Let go into
me. I will take you where you need to go. The more I trust this experience of
myself the more present it becomes in my awareness, and this slowly, over time
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is beginning to result in faintly experiencing simultaneously both, my everyday

self that gets nervous about the uncertainty of life as she experiences it from her
perspective, and this other aspect of myself that is centered throughout the
universe, that is deeply calm.
This faint simultaneous experience of these two aspects of me is changing my

experience of panic attacks. The last experience that I remember is feeling one
night the sense of a slight tightness in my chest. This was a few months ago,
when I had finished the first draft of this dissertation and was beginning to get
glimpses of changes to come; I felt the fear beginning to rise and then heard
myself saying to me the things that I describe above. In that moment I
experienced both the fear and the calmness as myself, realizing Im both yet
neither, as I was also the one observing both. Who was that one observing?
Where is she located? I am interested in finding out more about her!
I might have another panic attack in the future, or I might not. That is no longer
the issue for me. My relationship with and understanding of the experience has
changed. My panic attacks broke through my need for safety and stubborn
attachment to the world as I knew it and threw me off a cliff into the unknown,
helping me discover another kind of safety; one that arises from the fluidity of not
being attached to any one experience of myself and the world around me. I
celebrate the sudden appearance of those world-shattering experiences in my
life, for they pushed me over the edge when I needed to be pushed! I would have
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never given up willingly the safety of holding on to the stability of myself as I

knew it, no matter how suffocating that was for my nature. My panic attacks
pointed to and forced me to open up to a deeper aspect of myself (another
dimension of being, an ebb and flow), and this is, ever so slowly, shifting the
point around which my identity is centered from my ordinary self (the one who
has a body located in time and space) to something in me that is aware of my
ordinary self, as well as myself as motion (somehow located throughout the
universe) i.e., to something in me that is aware of multiple dimensions of
experience of myself.
The more sense I have of this observer, this awareness focuser, the more I gain
a sense of freedom, and, in the strangest way, a sense of fearlessness that this
freedom brings a sense, deep down inside, that the world is my home. The
more in touch I am with this sense of freedom, the more I approach my everyday
life with the feeling attitudes of curiosity, experimentation and play, the more
present I am with all of who I am. Thus, I offer my personal experiences as an
indication pointing toward a possible connection between a persons experience
of panic attacks and a needed direction in that persons life.
Two of the most mysterious moments in this journey were connected with my
experiencing physically a link between the process underlying my panic attack
and the panic attack itself. The first such moment occurred during the first time I
was able to unfold my experience while having a panic attack (see preface).
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During that unfolding I experienced the disappearance of the physical sensations

of the tightness of my chest in tandem with a sense of recognition of the force
that had overtaken me (the panic) as an aspect of myself. The second such
moment occurred during my work with Mindell (see case 1). Staying with the
sense of love that had emerged from unfolding my experience of the panic
attack I noticed the physical sensations in my chest (a sense of warmth and
openness) which were the exact opposite from the physical sensation in my
chest during a panic attack. I offer my personal experience as indications of a
possible somatic link between the process underlying a panic attack and the
panic attack. That is, as an indication of the possibility that the physical
experience of the state of being that a person arrives at when she unfolds her
experience of a panic attack relieves the physical sensations of the panic attack.
The existence of such a link could point to new directions in the investigation of
the possible interaction between a persons awareness and a persons body.
"New" Discoveries
I was raking the leaves in my yard, pondering what I have discovered through my
analysis of the data, and the realization that I came to surprised me, for what I
have discovered I already knew at least theoretically! Yet it is only now that I
am beginning to comprehend the meaning of the words that I have written down
so many times as a learner and spoken so frequently as a teacher. The Process
Work paradigm is based on Taoism; on the belief in following the Tao, in the
belief in the wisdom of nature.
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The process of breaking down the work into smaller pieces and then trying to put
it back together in a way that would make it comprehensible to people who are
not familiar with the Process Work paradigm led me eventually in search of a
guiding principle behind the process of unfolding the experience of panic.
Discovering this one principle behind each of the various routes that I had
extrapolated gave me a deeper understanding of it and a sense of having made
a new discovery. I find this principle discussed in almost all of the Process Work
literature, yet it is new for me, in the sense that I re-discovered it in practice!
As one can see when comparing my findings to my preconceptions (Appendix A)

two of the routes of unfolding the experience of panic that emerged from the data
were also new discoveries for me. Additionally, though I had discovered the route
that goes through a person's somatic experience through my inner work, I had
not yet fully arrived at the realization that an aspect of working with panic attacks
involves unfolding the persons momentary somatic experience of the panic
attack. Last, the phases of the work involving helping a person sense and
explore the essence of ones experience of the panic attack were entirely new
discoveries for me.
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CHAPTER 6: DISCUSSION
In this section I present reflections on the Process Work perspective on panic

attacks relative to some of the approaches discussed in the literature review
(chapter 2). Additionally, I present reflections on my explication of the Process
Work perspective on panic attacks (chapter 4), and on research questions
emerging from this explication.
An in-depth comparative analysis of the Process Work perspective on panic

attacks and the various treatment and therapeutic approaches is beyond the
scope of this dissertation. Below are reflections on the Process Work
perspective on panic attacks relative to the current standards of care (cognitive
behavioral therapies, pharmacotherapy and combination treatments), and one of
the alternative approaches (Intensive short-term dynamic psychotherapy) for
which there is a published case study illustrating its application to panic attacks.
The Process Work paradigm brings to the field of mental health care a
perspective that broadens the concept of healing by introducing the Taoist
principle of belief in the wisdom of nature. This principle translates to a belief in
an embedded wisdom in disturbances. Such a perspective acknowledges
multiple dimensions of a persons experience. For example, in the case of panic
attacks, it acknowledges the disturbing aspects of the experience, yet also the
dreamlike qualities of the experience. Such an acknowledgment allows for the
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exploration of multiple dimensions of a persons experience and the integration of

the multiple perspectives that the exploration of each dimension reveals.
Cognitive behavioral therapies, pharmacotherapy and combination treatments

the current standards of care for panic disorder are potentially very useful in
addressing a persons need for relief from the disturbance, yet addressing solely
this dimension of experience further marginalizes the dreamlike dimensions and
the perspectives these carry. If embedded in the experience of a panic attack is a
needed direction for a persons life, recognizing this persons experience of the
panic attack solely as a severe disruption of everyday life and attempting only to
eliminate it, further marginalizes the persons experience of the needed direction.
Further marginalization of this experience could lead to an intensification of the
disruption due to the information embedded in the disturbance not being picked
up. The investigation of this research question could potentially provide insights
into the areas of non-response to treatment, relapse and long-term maintenance
of treatment gains.
Intensive short-term dynamic psychotherapy (IS-TDP), like other

psychoanalytically based approaches, brings to the field of mental health care
the notion of an unconscious meaning of symptoms underlying their
manifestation. The approach brings to the area of treatment of panic attacks a
well-defined way of shedding light on the personal history aspect of these
experiences. That is, it provides a way to uncover and bring to the foreground the
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connection between a persons panic attacks and underlying intense feelings the
person is avoiding experiencing. Panic attacks in the IS-TDP paradigm are
viewed as self-destructive symptoms serving a defensive function: protecting the
person from experiencing underlying intense feelings of rage and accompanying
guilt and sadness toward early figures.
The Process Work perspective introduces a non-pathological way of viewing

experience one that offers a way to discover the potential usefulness of all
experiences including those that appear as disturbances. From the perspective
of the Process Work paradigm, ones personal history is one aspect of the
experience of panic attacks (connected to the realm of dreamland). Biological
factors are another aspect of the experience of panic attacks (connected to the
realm of consensus reality). Yet another aspect of the experience of panic
attacks is its connection to ones deeper direction in life (connected to the realm
of the essence). The Process Work approach stresses the importance of, and
offers a way to focus on, multiple aspects of a persons experience.
Reflection on Findings
After studying and analyzing Mindells work from within the theoretical framework
of the Process Work paradigm with the purpose of elucidating it, I examined my
thinking about his work. What is my opinion of his work and by what is it
influenced? How would researchers, who did not know Mindell and were not
trained in this paradigm, view his work? Would they be critical of things that do
not stand out for me because I am trained in the same paradigm?
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My opinion is influenced by my personal and theoretical biases. I find this

approach useful in working with my own and other peoples experiences. I like
the attention to both physical and psychological dimensions of a persons
experience. I like the phenomenological aspects of the approach the interest in
and tracking of the flow of experience, as well as the teleological ones the view
of experience as purposeful and meaningful. This approach fits my worldview
and experience. This raises the question in me: Does this block my perception of
signals indicating that this way of thinking about human experience may not be
useful to someone else? Are there such signals in the case studies that I have
analyzed which I have missed? An inquiry focusing on the peoples (clients)
experience of the work would shed light on this question and provide indications
about areas of the work that might need to be further developed.
Possible directions for further development of the work could also be indicated by
research focusing on its efficacy. Currently, there are no studies focusing on the
effects of this approach to panic attacks on peoples lives, their sense of wellbeing and sense of coherence. The lack of such data limits participation in the
interchange among theoreticians and practitioners in the mental health field,
occurring through publications in journals and presentations in conferences.
An area of this work that might stand out for me, were I a practitioner trained in a
different paradigm, is the issue of touch in the psychotherapeutic encounter.
Tracking a process in the channels of movement and proprioception oftentimes
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involves applying bodywork techniques, including touching people. Not all

psychotherapeutic approaches include bodywork and movement work, so
practitioners trained in other paradigms might be critical of this aspect of
Mindells work or find it unusual. Looking at the six cases one might ask, For
what purpose is touch used? How is it used? Is it used in all six cases? If not,
when is it used and when is it not? Is there a connection between the use of
touch and the familiarity of the person with the Process Work paradigm and/or
the practitioner? Is there a connection between the use of touch and the gender
of the person with whom the practitioner is working?
In the Process Work paradigm touch is used with respect for the person, and with
awareness of and special attention to the persons verbal and non-verbal
feedback. The awareness facilitator uses touch for the purpose of helping the
process unfold further in the channels of movement and proprioception, as well
as to join, encourage and support the person with whom she is working.
The design of this study is inadequate to investigate a possible connection

between the use of touch and the familiarity of the people with the Process Work
paradigm and/or their gender. Nonetheless, putting together my observations
and the information on the sample variation I can note the following: In cases 1
(my work) and 2, where touch was used, both, I and the other woman, were
trained in the Process Work paradigm and very familiar with Mindell, and had
years of experience of working on our own and other peoples experiences using
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the Process Work approach. In case 6, where touch was used, the man had
never met Mindell before and was new to the paradigm. In case 3, where touch
was used minimally, the woman was familiar with the paradigm (having worked in
the past with a Process Work therapist) and acquainted with Mindell (having
attended a few of his classes). In case 4, where touch was not used, the woman
had never met Mindell before the session and was new to the paradigm. In case
5, where touch was not used, the woman was somewhat familiar with the
paradigm (having read some of Mindells books) and acquainted with Mindell
(having attended a few of his classes). An inquiry specifically designed to
investigate a possible connection between the use of touch and the familiarity of
the people with the Process Work paradigm and/or their gender would need to
include a larger sample and a greater variation in terms of those two factors. It
would also need to include an interview with the practitioner on the rationale of
his decision to use touch or not in each case.
Future Research
This study raises questions that warrant further investigation. A set of questions
that arise have to do with the differing perceptions of various groups of people:
What would the research participants perceive Mindell doing in these videotape
recordings? What would Mindell perceive himself doing in these videotape
recordings? What would other practitioners trained in the Process Work
paradigm perceive Mindell doing in these videotape recordings? What would
practitioners trained in different paradigms perceive Mindell doing in these
videotape recordings?
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A second set of questions that arise have to do with the effects and efficacy of
this approach: What effect does this work have on people who experience panic
attacks? Does it help them cope with the panic attacks? Does it increase their
sense of well-being? Does it increase their sense of coherence? Does it reduce
or alleviate the panic attacks? If it does, how many sessions are needed for that
to occur? Do people relapse? What are the relapse rates? How does this
approach compare to other approaches in terms of its effects and efficacy?
A third set of questions that arise have to do with the processes underlying panic
attacks: Are panic attacks related to specific underlying processes? That is, are
there patterns that can be discerned in the meaning emerging from the unfolding
of peoples subjective experiences of panic attacks? Is one such pattern related
to a relaxation of a persons identification with certain aspects of herself, and
identification with deeper aspects of herself (a needed direction in her life)? Are
these deeper aspects of the person (the needed direction of her life) embedded
in the persons subjective experience of the panic attack? In other words, does
the unfolding of the persons subjective experience of the panic attack reveal this
needed direction (deeper aspects of the person)? Is there a somatic link between
the persons panic attack and the deeper aspect of herself that is revealed
through the unfolding of her experience of the panic attack? Specifically, are the
physical sensations that are connected to a persons experience of a panic attack
the opposite of the physical sensations that are connected to a persons
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experience of the deeper aspect of herself (that has emerged from the unfolding
of her experience of the panic attack)? In other words, does the persons
experience of this deeper aspect of herself dissolve the physical sensations of
the panic attack? If yes, why?
A fourth set of questions that arise have to do with looking at panic attacks
through the lens of gender: What accounts for the notable gender gap in the
prevalence of panic attacks? Does the number of men reporting panic attacks
rise in societies where cultural norms make exhibiting fear a more acceptable
behavior for men? Are the processes underlying panic connected with
experiences marginalized by sexism? Does the number of women reporting
panic attacks fall where cultural norms encourage women to be powerful?
A fifth set of questions that arise have to do with further defining and describing
the work: What is entailed in the long-term work of integrating the information
revealed by the initial exploration and unfolding of the subjective experience of
the panic attack? Are there differences in the methods that one would use in
unfolding "situationally bound and situationally predisposed panic attacks?
What is the experience of the people using this approach to work on their panic
attacks? What do they experience as furthering the unfolding of their experience,
what do they experienced as impeding it, and what do they find themselves
yearning for?
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A sixth set of questions that arise have to do with developing the work further: Is
there a way to apply the Process Work paradigm with people who are not
interested in an awareness practice? Also, the variation of the sample in terms of
the familiarity of the research participants to the Process Work paradigm resulted
in observations that hint toward a possible connection between the research
participants familiarity with the paradigm, and their "sense of ease" in exploring
unknown aspects of their experience. Questions that arise from these
observations include the following: Is it easier for a person who is familiar with
going into unknown aspects of her experience to take that initial step of focusing
on a secondary experience (cross the edge of entering into the process) than it
is for a person who is doing this for the first time? In other words, does practice
make this edge smaller? Is it harder for a person who is not familiar with going
into unknown aspects of his experience to explore unknown experiences in the
channels in which they occur (i.e., in the unoccupied channels) than it is for a
person who has practice in doing so? When working with a person who is not
familiar with going into unknown aspects of her experiences, does an awareness
facilitator need to use occupied channels in order to further unfold an experience
that is occurring in an unoccupied channel, more often than when working a
person who has practice in doing so? Does practice make it easier for a person
to notice and unfold unintended communication signals?
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CHAPTER 7: CONCLUSIONS
Panic attacks are terrifying experiences that disrupt the flow of everyday life and
take a toll on the people who experience them, both emotionally and physically.
They can lead to agoraphobia and self-medication with alcohol and drugs, and
are associated with chronicity and high relapse rates. Panic attacks comorbid
with depressive disorders, borderline personality disorder and/or substance use
disorders are associated with high suicide risks.
Standards of Care
Pharmacotherapy, cognitive behavioral therapies, and combination treatments
consisting of both have shown to be the most effective treatments to date and
have thus emerged as the standard of care. The theorists and practitioners of
these modalities have been developing methods to reduce peoples vulnerability
to panic attacks and offer symptom control and relief, as well as effective coping
mechanisms. These standards of care aim at addressing people's biological
need for relief from symptoms that are distressing and that theoretically can lead
to brain damage. They also aim at addressing peoples psychological need for
regaining a sense of control over their lives, and creating some distance from the
experience, from which they can view it. In my experience (see preface),
sometimes these needs arise organically as part of the overall process of dealing
with the experience of panic attacks, as does the use of some of the methods
that these approaches have developed.
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This indicates to me that each approach that has been developed to address
peoples experiences of panic attacks is important, as it addresses some aspect
of peoples experience. However, the approaches that have currently emerged
as the standards of care address solely one dimension of human experience
the dimension that is connected with the body located in space and time
reflecting the worldview prevailing currently in science, which defines reality as
that which can be perceived by the physical senses, measured and tested.
The Process Work Paradigm

The Process Work paradigm brings to the fields of medicine and psychology the
idea of appreciating, valuing and addressing multiple dimensions of a person's
experience: the dimensions of reality that can be directly measured and
collectively consented to as real (consensus reality), as well as the dreamlike
dimensions of reality that cannot be directly measured or collectively consented
to as real (non-consensus reality). This definition of reality as multidimensional
reflects a new emerging worldview that challenges the metaphysics of science
(i.e., its underlying fundamental assumptions about the nature of reality).
The introduction of the idea of valuing both consensual and non-consensual

aspects of a persons experience broadens the concept of healing to include the
investigation of multiple dimensions of a persons experience. In this sense, the
Process Work paradigm offers a new and complementary way of thinking about
and working with panic attacks; one that values and investigates both consensual
and non-consensual aspects of a persons experience of them.
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The consensual aspects of a persons experience of a panic attack are the

specific neurobiological and cognitive features associated with the panic attack
that can be perceived by the human senses, measured or tested, and collectively
agreed upon (for example, the heart rate of a person with a racing heart, the
statement of a person saying that he is afraid of dying or losing control, the level
of a metabolite of a neurotransmitter in the cerebrospinal fluid of a person who
has panic attacks, etc). The consensual aspects of a persons experience of
panic are associated with the tangible, physical dimensions of the body; i.e., the
body as an object located in space and time.
The non-consensual aspects of a persons experience of a panic attack are a

persons dreamlike experiences of the specific neurobiological and cognitive
features associated with the panic attack, which cannot be directly measured or
collectively consented to as real (for example, a person's experience of the
sensation of a rapid heart rate as a beating drum, a person's experience of the
sensation of tightness in the chest as a sense of being frozen, a person's
experience the sensation of fear as a sense of being threatened by her soul that
wants to kill her, etc). The non-consensual aspects of a persons experience of
panic are associated with dreamlike dimensions of the body that cannot be easily
located in space and time.
When explored, the non-consensual aspects of a persons experience of a panic

attack reveal entry points into dreamlike dimensions of reality. Entering these
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dreamlike dimensions and closely tracking the momentary flow of experience as

it generates itself can reveal meaning and lead to a sense of co-creating ones
everyday life.
An awareness facilitator following a process-oriented approach to panic attacks

investigates both the consensual and the non-consensual aspects of a persons
experience, aiming at helping the person appreciate the viewpoint entailed in
each, without identifying solely with any one viewpoint, but rather the viewpoint of
the one focusing awareness on the various aspects of experience. In this way the
awareness facilitator would help the person develop over time an identity as an
awareness focuser, and thus, a center around which the persons perceptions
are organized that spans the various dimensions of the persons experience.
Application of the Process Work Paradigm to Panic Attacks

In this study I apply the Process Work paradigm to panic attacks by presenting:
a) a description of the process of investigating the consensual and nonconsensual aspects of a persons experience of a panic attack based on the
analysis of the six case studies that comprise the data of this study; b) a series of
hypotheses about the process underlying panic attacks implied in and brought to
the foreground by this description; c) anecdotal data from my personal
experience supporting the direction of further investigation of these hypotheses in
future research.
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I describe the process of investigating the consensual and non-consensual

aspects of a persons experience of a panic attack by delineating nine steps
(phases). With this delineation I attempt to describe broad directions and
methods composing the therapeutic interaction observed across the cases
included in my analysis. In summary, the nine steps in a Process-oriented
exploration of an experience of a panic attack that I define involve investigating a
persons experience in the realms of consensus reality (the everyday reality that
science and most people consent to as real), dreamland (the dreamlike reality
perceived as subjective feelings, dreams, images), and essence (the realm of
subliminal awareness perceived as subtle tendencies in one's body or vague
feelings and intuitions).
Investigation of a persons experience in the realm of consensus reality would

include ensuring that the person has checked out the medical aspects of the
panic attacks in order to investigate and exclude the existence of any of the
numerous physical problems that can produce panic-like symptoms; informing
the person about the options that are currently available for symptom control and
relief through pharmacotherapy, CBT and combination treatments; exploring
everyday life issues connected to the panic attacks such as the context within
which they occur, their effect on work, money, relationships, living situation, etc.
Investigation of a persons experience in the realm of dreamland would involve

focusing on and unfolding a person's subjective experience of the panic attacks
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and tracking the flow of experience, until the meaning of the experience for the
person's life is revealed. Investigation of a persons experience in the realm of
essence would involve eliciting a person's sense of the seed at the core of the
experience that has been unfolded from her subjective experience of the panic
attack. Further exploration of this sense would involve letting it express itself
creatively and explain itself to the person in the form of an insight, an intuition or
a sense about how it would recreate everyday life.
The analysis of the case studies that comprise the data of this study brings to the
foreground a series of hypotheses implied about the process underlying panic
attacks. A central hypothesis is that panic attacks are connected to a needed
direction in a persons life that is arising for the sake of the persons wholeness
(overall nature). In other words, the hypothesis suggests that, embedded within
the experience of the panic attack is a needed direction for the persons life
(aspects of a persons nature marginalized by a persons identity), which can be
revealed by the unfolding of the persons subjective experience of the panic
attack (i.e., the dreamlike or non-consensual aspects of the persons experience
of the panic attack).
A second hypothesis is that aligning oneself with the needed direction that is
embedded in the experience of a panic attack (i.e., becoming aware of these
aspects of ones nature, opening up to them, and continually and consistently
shape-shifting allowing everyday life to be recreated from that sense of oneself)
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can have a positive effect on the persons experience of panic attacks (i.e.,
reduce the severity or eliminate the panic attacks). This hypothesis brings to the
foreground a third hypothesis; that of a mind-body connection an interaction
between ones awareness and the subatomic realms of ones body.
Insights and observations deriving from my personal journey with panic attacks
point toward: a) a possible connection between a persons experience of panic
attacks and a needed direction in that persons life and b) a possible somatic link
between the process underlying a panic attack and the panic attack itself, the
existence of which could point to new directions in the investigation of the
possible interaction between a persons awareness and a persons body. This
anecdotal data points toward the direction of an investigation of these
hypotheses in future research.
Limitations of the Process Work Approach

This approach is potentially useful for people who are interested in self
awareness and personal growth, desire to explore the meaning of their
experiences and have an inclination toward symbolic thinking. It addresses the
needs of those who are not interested in engaging in an awareness practice by
valuing, appreciating and affirming that process, and pointing them in the
direction of approaches that would be best suited for them. One of the ways that
the work could be further developed would be researching ways of working with
people who are not interested in an awareness practice.
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Contributions of Process Work Approach

The uniqueness and need for the Process Work perspective, in my mind, lies in
three areas: the definition of reality as multidimensional; the valuing, appreciating
and investigating of multiple dimensions of a persons experience; and the
development of methods for tracking the flow of experience in and through
multiple perceptual realms that can lead to the development of an awareness
that spans them.
The application of the Process Work paradigm to panic attacks offers a new and
complementary method through which a person can explore multiple dimensions
of his experience of the panic attacks, appreciating the viewpoint arising from
each; discover the meaning of the panic attacks for his life by tracking and
unfolding his momentary experience of them; develop, over time, an awareness
that spans multiple perceptual realms.
Panic attacks, like all disturbances or problems, are viewed in the Process Work
paradigm as the means by which experiences arise into consciousness,
expressions of aspects of oneself that are marginalized by the way that one
identifies oneself. They are considered carriers of information that are vital for
one's larger sense of well being. This begets the question: What is the problem?
The answer differs depending on the viewpoint from which one answers. From
the viewpoint of a persons identity, the problem is anything that disturbs this
identity and its devotion to the idea that consensus reality is the only reality. From
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the viewpoint of the disturbance itself, the problem is the identity that
marginalizes the experience manifesting in the disturbance and the flickering
signals preceding it (i.e., the various non-consensus reality realms). From the
viewpoint of an observer focusing on multiple realms of experience, valuing the
viewpoint of each yet identifying specifically with none, the problem is the lack of
its simultaneous existence with the other viewpoints.
Opening a parenthesis here, I use Figure 9 below8 to give the reader a pictorial
analogy of perceiving multiple dimensions of ones experience. If seeing a duck
in the sketch is analogous
to perceiving from the
viewpoint of ones identity;
seeing a rabbit is
analogous to perceiving
from the viewpoint of the
disturbance; going back
and forth between seeing a
Figure 9: Analogy of Perceiving Multiple Dimensions
duck and seeing a rabbit,
and then seeing simultaneously both (duck and rabbit), while also experiencing
oneself as the one perceiving would be analogous to perceiving multiple
dimensions of ones experience.
This sketch was downloaded with permission by Amy & Arnold Mindell from www.aamindell.net.
I am using the sketch in a different way than Mindell & Mindell use it on their web site.
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In terms of my personal experience, one can say that from the viewpoint of my
everyday reality, in which I experience myself located in time and space, and with
a particular identity (I am my body, I am a woman, therefore, I should be and act
in certain ways and not others, etc.) panic attacks are a problem. They shred the
sense of security that I derive from holding on to this perception of myself and the
world around me, leaving me feeling at the mercy of unknown, overpowering
forces, and in the hands of an inhospitable and threatening universe.
From the viewpoint of a dreamlike reality (i.e., the viewpoint of the unfolded
dreamlike background of my panic attacks), in which I experience myself as an
ebb and flow, the problem is my consensus reality perception that marginalizes
this aspect of myself (that is not located in time and space) that feels deeply calm
and centered and has a sense of knowing arising from within. From the
perspective I gain when I focus my awareness on various aspects of my
experience, the point is awareness of all aspects of myself, including myself as
an awareness focuser. From here, life is a mystery that can be joined and
disturbances are doorways into this mystery (i.e., my panic attacks are doorways
to these aspects of myself the non-local centeredness, calmness and knowing
that has a sense of where my life is meant to be heading, and this awareness
focuser thats slowly developing through which I can experience co-creating my
life).
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Thus, from the perspective of the worldview of the Process Work paradigm, panic
attacks are both a problem needing to be investigated in the physical realm and a
sign of the mystery of life, inviting one to join in and partake in its creation. In my
experience, the Process Work paradigm offers an awareness practice that
enables one to actively participate in this co-creation dance. Motivated by my
personal experience, I am sharing it along with my knowledge and understanding
of the Process Work paradigm to say to you, the reader: you can join your lifes
creation dance by paying attention to and valuing all aspects of your experience.
Care for the physical needs of your body, but also investigate the dreamlike (the
non-consensual) aspects of your experiences. Unfold your experience of the
disturbances in your life, or notice and unfold your subtle movement tendencies
and the flickers that catch your attention. Become Aikido masters. Pick up the
essence of the energy that is disturbing you, shape-shift and let it re-create your
life.
Social Implications of the Process Work Paradigms Worldview

In working with my own experiences of panic attacks, I noticed that valuing, being
interested in and investigating both my sense of being disturbed and the
disturbance itself prevented me from thinking of myself as being crazy or sick.
This spared me the agony and terror that thinking of oneself in that way attaches
to the experience of panic attacks, oftentimes intensifying them.
Some of the people who experience disturbances of their everyday lives that
were once referred to as mental illnesses, and are presently referred to as
mental disorders, have embraced the notion of a mental disorder for the
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sense of relief it offers from the stigma these experiences carry. The term
disorder brings to the foreground the notion of an illness with a physical origin,
and this takes away the burden of blame. It also offers the hope of a cure.
It is important to recognize the difficulty, pain and struggle that many people
experiencing mental disorders go through in their everyday lives. Yet, it is also
important to note that looking at these experiences solely as illnesses to be cured
(disturbances to be gotten rid of) emphasizes the painful and difficult aspects of
these experiences, ignoring the potential value of the disturbances meaning.
This makes it harder for the person experiencing a disturbance to entertain the
idea of a potential purpose or meaning, and attempt to explore it. Additionally,
viewing these experiences solely as illnesses supports the identity that is being
disturbed, ignoring the viewpoint of the disturbance. This one-sided support
inadvertently freezes the one experiencing the disturbance in identifying with
being the victim of it. Solidifying a persons identity in this way further
marginalizes the experience embedded in the disturbance (the energy of the
creator of the disturbance), which can potentially lead to an increase of the
intensity of the disturbance.
The worldview forwarded by the Process Work paradigm offers an alternate route
out of the stigma, terror and weight intertwined with the concept of mental
illness a route that avoids this kind of one-sided support of a persons identity,
and that aims at lessening the marginalization of the experience embedded in the
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disturbance. I believe such a worldview has a lot to offer in the mental health field
today.
How much space one can make in oneself for certain experiences is intimately
connected to how much space there is in the world for those experiences, and
vice versa. If the culture one lives in views certain experiences solely as
abnormal or pathological, one will find it harder to open up to the idea of them as
carriers of potential meaning. Each time one opens up to exploring the potential
meaning of an experience, one relaxes the grasp that internalized viewpoint has
on oneself, and through this, on everyone else in the culture, making it a little bit
easier for other people to open up to potential meaning of their experiences.
We all change our culture through changing ourselves, and vice versa. My hope
and aspiration is that this work inspires you and makes it a little bit easier for you
to explore the potential meaning of your experiences.
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APPENDIX A: MY PRECONCEPTIONS
Before Data collection
How do I think Mindell works with people who experience panic attacks? What do
I think is Process Works approach to panic attacks? Thinking about the Process
Work paradigm the following come to mind:
Panic is a manifestation of an underlying process. There must be

something meaningful and useful in the experience of panic.
When one is having a panic attack one is in an extreme state. Therefore,

according to the "city shadow" idea (the person in an extreme state can be
seen as the identified patient of the city he lives in channeling its
repressed and unrealized psychology), some element of the individuals
experience of the panic must be marginalized by society as a whole.
Thinking about how a process worker might work with the experience of panic
attack nothing other comes to mind but my own experience of a panic attack
The experience of a panic attack is so intense and so unlike anything I have
previously experienced that when I try to think about how one could work with
this experience and unravel it, all that comes to mind initially is the experience of
panic and a mixed sense of awe, fear and bewilderment, What is this all about?
I have never actually worked on my experience of panic attacks in my own
sessions nor have I seen a process worker work on someone elses panic attack.
From my own inner work I am imagining that one can work with the physical
manifestations of the panic attack by amplifying them and watching for the
channel change. For example, one of the physical manifestations that I notice
when I have a panic attack is the trembling of my legs. Allowing and encouraging
that trembling to happen even more and even spread to my whole body rather
than just my legs is one of the ways that I have worked on my experience. This
led to an organic channel change from movement to proprioception in which I felt
for a split second my face dissolve, loose its human form, and had a sense of
recognizing the force of the panic attack as me But it was very fleeting
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Still, if I think of how Mindell works with people on other experiences I would I
expect to observe him using the following skills and metaskills (feeling attitudes
with which he uses his skills):
Skills
Notice intended and non-intended communication signals (signals and

double signals, respectively), both verbal and non-verbal.
Discern the process structure. Namely, think about what is primary (what
is closer to the persons awareness) and what is secondary (what is
further away from the persons awareness), what sensory channels
(visual, auditory, proprioceptive body feeling, kinesthetic movement,
relationship, world) are occupied (by the person's awareness and
connected to the primary process) and which are unoccupied (not used
with awareness and connected to the secondary process) by noticing the
structure in the verbal and the nonverbal communication.
Share with the person his perceptions and thoughts on the process and
the possible directions in which the work could go.
Notice the persons feedback to his suggestions and interventions

(positive feedback = strong response, body begins to follow suggestion,
big smile, a lot of energy in response to a suggestion; negative feedback =
lack of response, no energy in response to a suggestion, an adapted yes
but weak energy; edge feedback = mixed feedback, simultaneous positive
and negative feedback with a lot of energy, giggles, nervousness,
shyness, embarrassment, big smiles) as indicated by the persons verbal
and non-verbal communication signals, and use it as a guide for
determining the direction in which to proceed.
Notice somatic answers to questions (part of noticing feedback i.e.,

notice answer that the body gives through body signals).
Notice what happens when there is a break in the focus (when the
awareness facilitator takes the focus off the person)
Notice and follow his awareness of himself and the other and the
interaction.
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Use his inner experience as a source of information about the process

(i.e., noticing his inner sensations, feelings, fantasies, etc and thinking
about them in connection with the structure of the process, or in other
works, in terms of what part of the person's experience he is picking up)
Use his clinical experience as a resource to feel into the experience of the
person.
Metaskills
Beginners mind: Approach the persons experience with a beginners

mind, i.e., letting go of preconceived ideas about the persons experience,
viewing it with openness and curiosity as something mysterious and
unknown, which is to be discovered.
Belief in the wisdom of the process: Following the patterns that emerge
believing that process is the teacher/guide.
Playfulness and humor: using the spontaneity and freedom of a child to

explore unknown experiences.
Scientific mind: Approaching the interaction with the person with a

"scientist's mind," i.e., observing with great detail and precision outer and
inner signals inner and outer awareness
Social awareness: Awareness of the intricate connection between an

individual's work and the culture she lives in.
Deep democracy: valuing and attending to all dimensions of experience.
During Data Collection
Panic as Body Symptoms: The experience of a panic attack entails many

physical manifestations. Therefore one can view it and work with it as a
body symptom! Namely, get a sensory grounded description of the
experience, notice the persons non-verbal signals while he is giving the
description, go into the experience that is the most intense (for example
rapid heart beat) and unfold that by amplifying, adding channels and
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following the process till they arrive at the purpose, or the meaning or the
usefulness of this state for the persons life.
Panic as Threatening/Disturbing Force: Alternately, one can ask the

person to imagine the creator of the panic (or the creator of the aspect of
the panic that is the most terrifying the one who wants to kill you or the
one that wants to drive you mad, etc), shape-shift (become it), and explore
figure and/or state of being, way of life it represents till they arrive at the
purpose, or the meaning or the usefulness of this state for the persons
life.
Panic as Marginalized Altered State: Another way Mindell seems to be

working with the experience is looking for what the person is afraid of
during the panic attack and helping the person go into the feared
experience (usually an altered state it seems like being dead or going
crazy) and dreaming the experience further till they arrive at the purpose,
or the meaning or the usefulness of this state for the persons life.
Panic as a momentary death of identity attached to Consensus Reality (CR): One

of the things that I see emerging in people's work in terms of the actual process
of panic is panic about having to identify solely with CR, solely with ones human
form. Panic about leaving out dreamlike background to reality what Hillman
says about return to the realm of the imaginal.
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APPENDIX B: RESEARCH DESCRIPTION

Evangelia Vassiliou, MPW
Certified Process Worker
3236 SE Yamhill #1, Portland OR 97214
503.236.7713
Portland, January 5, 2003
Dear Research Participant,
I am writing to inform you about a study that I am doing on Process Works
approach to panic attacks as part of my Ph.D. program in psychology at the
Union Institute and University.
Nature and Purpose of Study
I am doing a series of case studies of Dr. Mindell working with people who have
experienced panic attacks with the purpose of enhancing our knowledge of the
way that Dr. Mindell works with panic attacks. My study comes out of my desire
to learn more about these states of consciousness that some of us experience,
and to help other practitioners to learn about Dr. Mindells methods by writing
about them.
Research
Participation in this research would entail working with Dr. Mindell on your
experience of panic attacks, in the context of a private session, in which I would
also be present, making a videotape recording of the session.
Method of Study
I plan to transcribe and study these videotape recordings of Dr. Mindells work,
and analyze them in terms of the methods of intervention he uses, his skills and
metaskills (the feeling attitudes with which he uses his skills). I will then use my
findings to deepen my understanding of his way of working with panic attacks,
and write about that understanding. The transcriptions of the videotape
recordings of these sessions will be included in the thesis that I will write.
Participation in the research project will be confidential, which means that only
Dr. Mindell and I will know the identity of the people participating in the study. In
order to protect the identity of the research participants I will take the following
safeguards:
1. I will keep the location and date that the data was gathered confidential.
2. I will develop a master index, which codes the transcriptions to a particular
person by number. I will have the only means to connect the number
codes to a specific person.
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3. In the process of transcribing the videotapes I will remove any information

such as place of residency, place of work, name of educational institution
a person is attending, etc., which might identify the person.
4. In writing the findings of my study I will assign each person a pseudonym.
Participants of this research project need to be aware however that in spite of
these safeguards there may remain some risk of being identified due to the
individual nature of their panic attack experiences.
Possible Benefit
A possible benefit from participating in this research is the opportunity to
contribute to knowledge about ways of working with panic attack experiences.
Findings
After the research is completed I will forward a summary of my analysis and
implications of that analysis to you by mail.
Participation in the Study & Withdrawal of Participation
The decision to participate in this study is totally voluntary. You are under no
obligation to participate. Should you decide to participate and then change your
mind you may withdraw your participation at any time and your information will
not be included in the study.
Questions
If you have any questions about this study please contact me at 503.236.7713.
Please leave a message if I am not immediately available. Thank you.
Informed Consent Form
If you decide to participate in this study please read and sign the consent form
that is attached to this letter and mail it to the address indicated on the form,
using the enclosed preaddressed envelop.
Thank you for considering being part of this study.
Sincerely,
Evangelia K Vassiliou
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APPENDIX C: CONSENT TO PARTICIPATE

Consent Form
Process Works Approach to Panic Attacks
1. I, _________________________________________________, hereby
consent to participate in the study of Process Works approach to panic
attacks conducted by Evangelia K Vassiliou.
2. I understand that Evangelia K Vassiliou will be studying the videotape
recording of my work with Dr. Mindell, made on _____________________
transcribing it and analyzing it by focusing on Dr. Mindells actions as a
therapist.
3. I understand that Evangelia K Vassiliou may use my words in her
dissertation or other writings and presentations she makes after
completing her thesis.
4. I am aware of the safeguards that Evangelia K Vassiliou will take to
protect the confidentiality of my identity as well as the risk of being
identified by the individual nature of my panic attack experience.
5. I understand that Evangelia K Vassiliou can be reached at 503.236.7713,
and will answer any questions that I may have about this study.
6. I understand that I may refuse to participate or withdraw from this study at
any time.
___________________________________
Signature
__________________
Date
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APPENDIX D: CONSENT TO VIDEOTAPE

Arnold Mindell, Ph.D.
605 NW 22nd Ave
Portland, OR 97210
Video Release Form
Name
________________________________________
Address
_______________________________________
_______________________________________
_______________________________________
Telephone
___________________________
I _______________________________________________________, hereby,
release and give permission to have a videotape record made of my private
session with Dr. Arnold Mindell at his office on 605 NW 22nd Ave, Portland, OR
97210, on __________________________.
I agree that this video be used in whole or in part only by Ms. Evangelia K
Vassiliou for the research that she is conducting on panic attacks, in the context
of her doctoral studies at the Union Institute and University.
___________________________________
Signature
_________________
Date
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APPENDIX E: PERMISSION OF USE OF VIDEOTAPES

2049 NW Hoyt #2
Portland OR 97209
USA
Permission of Use
I, Arnold Mindell, hereby give permission to Evangelia Krino Vassiliou to use the
videotape recordings of my work with people on their panic experiences that
were recorded during my class at the Process Work Center of Portland, on
January 31, 2003 for the research she is conducting for her Ph.D. program at the
Union Institute and University.
I also hereby give permission to Ms. Vassiliou to use the videotape recordings of
my work with people on their panic experiences that were recorded in my private
practice on January 21, 2003, February 13, 2003, and that will be recorded in my
private practice on June 16, 2003, on September 30, 2003 and October 7, 2003,
within the context of her Ph.D. program.
April 18, 2003

________________________________
Signature
______________________
Date
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APPENDIX F: VIEWING AGREEMENT

605 NW 22nd Ave
Portland, OR 97210
Videotape Viewing Agreement
Name
________________________________________
Address
________________________________________
________________________________________
________________________________________
Telephone
___________________________
I ____________________________________________, hereby, agree that:
I will use the copy of the videotape record made of my private session with
Dr. Arnold Mindell at his office on 605 NW 22nd Ave, Portland, OR 97210, on
______________________________ for my personal use only.
I will not make any copies of this videotape.
I will not allow anyone else to view this videotape without prior written
permission from Arnold Mindell, or Lily Vassiliou.
_______________________________
Signature
____________________
Date
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APPENDIX G: DATA ANALYSIS SAMPLE

Transcript (Excerpt from Case 2)
My Observations
[Unfolding dreamland]
P:
I just felt like a rush [The palm of her left
Proprioception combined with
hand which was resting in her lap made
movement.
a small quick, abrupt upward motion]
Notices nonverbal signal
AF: I saw it with your hand [AF touches her

hand] What it it do? What happened?
(movement).
Encourages focus.

P
[Makes the hand motion and

spontaneously adds a sound "fseew"]
AF: Do that again.

P:
channels (movement).
[Makes motion and sound]
AF: [Makes sound with her louder and twice]
P:
Organic unfolding in other
Amplifying.
[P repeats motion and sound, this time
Amplifies by joining her and
louder] A rush! From where?
making sound louder].
From where?[As P is repeating the
While shes asking her body is
question her left palm touches her
already responding (=somatic
tummy]
answer).
AF: Yeah.
P:
From right here [Her hand now touches

tummy and moves upward along
Proprioception combined with
esophagus]
movement.
AF: Tummy?
P:
Yeah and then up to here [her left hand

is now repeating this sudden, abrupt
motion of coming up from the tummy to
the chest along the vertical center of the
body]

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P:
Um hum [Keeps repeating the motion]
Amplifies/adds sound.
Now, I'm hot [Removes her sweater]
Cycling of incomplete
movement.
P:
Um hum [Sits still now, silent, with her
Keeps focus on process
head tilted downward]
unfolding.
Energy disappeared. Edge?

P:
Waits.
AF: What happened when you took your

sweater off? [AF touches lightly her right
Brings awareness to the

change.
knee] Are you doing ok with that?

P:
Um hum
AF: And the rush got better?
Investigating moment of change
P:
Yeah, it's not a continuous rush, it was
checking if she is ok with her
lika a [talks with her head still tilted
sweater off.
downward] it's like when I'm anxious,

there's a psssseeeww. [makes same
sudden abrupt upward motion as before]
like if I it feels like adrenaline but the
feeling, the experience is something that
goes psssseeeww [repeats same motion] Same incomplete movement as
AF: psssseeeww
before process still needs to
P:
be unfolded.
and then it like stops, it goes back down,

out or somethingWhere does it go?
[repeats motion and sound] That's it.
AF: And what's doing that psssseeeww?

[touches her hand and hand repeats
Joins through sound.
motion]
Communicated directly with the
P:
process in the body, body
P:
It's not happening now so it's hard to
responds by repeating motion
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track.
(=positive feedback).
AF: How come it's not happening? I like it. I

like that it happened and I like that it's
Supports both experiences.
not happening.
P:
How come it is not happening now?

Um because I'm frozen enough
(laughs) like I can't
AF: You were getting real hot [Get's up
P:
and goes behind her] I'm going to go
Going back to investigate the
back to that point. I'm going back to get
moment where energy
your sweater.
disappeared. He goes back and
You want me to put it on?
does it again slowly so that she
AF: No , I'm just going to put it over you for a
can use her awareness and
minute. So [puts her sweater over her
notice what happens in that
shoulders] you had your sweater on
moment .
P:
Um hum
AF: you were boiling and then you said, get

this damn thing off
P
[ laughs]
AF: Right?
P:
Um hum
AF: and you took it off right, you went like

P:
you took it off
Doesnt pull sweater off her
Um hum
shoulders yet gives her time to
AF: OK? [Sweater still on her shoulders]
check if it's ok to take off & focus
P:
her attention on what will
Um hum
AF: Fseew! [Takes sweater off her shoulders
happen as he takes it off.
and throws it to the side]

AF: How did that relieve something?
P:
Yeah, it was like the heat, even now I
He doesn't see it as an edge but
feel hot, it was like the heat was too
as the process. She took the
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much
sweater off and this relieved
AF: Um hum
P:
something.
the intensity
AF: OK, then, let's see what's happening in

there as you're freezing [leans over and
Begins to explore the other
touches her knees gently and lightly]
experience (freezing).
[Sits still, with head tilted downward]
Joins her through touch,
P:
Now I'm aware of my heart beating
supports going into unknown.
harder.
AF: OK, how hard it is beating?
Helps her amplify through focus.

Auditory channel.
P:
Fssswwh-fssssswh
Amplifies through joining.
AF: fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswh
Starts doing it more (= positive
feedback).
[Starts making the sound of her heart

beating in the rhythm that it's beating.
The rhythm is a fast one] fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh
AF: Let me see, can you do the motion with

one of your hands?
P
Adds channel (movement) to

unfold experience.
[Makes pumping motion with her

left palm, then the hand stops]

P:
Tests the body.
[hand remains still]
No motion (= negative feedback

P:
to stimulus to move) = stillness
Um hum
is the process now
AF: It quieted down! So every time you feel

something and you express it, it quiets
Notices what's happening. This

is the process
down
P:
Um hum [loud]
AF: Just keep your attention inside, whatever

arises maybe you want to feel free to
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The process has shown the
express it.
solution/direction. There's a
rush, which quiets down when
it's expressed. Therefore the
direction indicated is attention to
the inner experience and
expression of it. We're 17
minutes into the work and for the
last 10 minutes she's been
sitting with her eyes closes and
head tilted toward the ground.
Strong signal indicating a
process of going inside.
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APPENDIX H: VERBATIM TRANSCRIPTIONS OF CASES
Transcription Notation
AF
Awareness facilitator.
AF2
Second awareness facilitator
Person.
Researcher.
[ ]
Non verbal communication signals.
(?)
Indicates that speech is inaudible .
Italics
Indicates words that were uttered with added emphasis.
Indicates a pause in speech.
Indicates animated tone.
"Nods"
Indicates a motion of the head up and down.
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Case 1: Researcher with Arnold Mindell in Class

Elapsed Time: 30 minutes
My Observations on
process structure,
interventions & levels
Transcript
[P gets up from her seat and joins P in the
front of the class]
AF: [Smiles] Its embarrassing stuff to talk
P:
[Level: consensus reality] Feels
about. Is it hard for you too to talk about
into situation & joins P
it?
emotionally.
[Nods] Yes
AF: Scary
P:
Yeah
AF: Tell us about your experiences with
Asks for subjective experience.
panic like states.

P:
Mmm umhm
Edge to enter process
AF: You dont have to but if you can
Notices hesitation (skill:
P:
I was thinking about them um I think
nonverbal signal awareness) &
the first one was the most scary one
values that part too by giving
because afterwards I kind of knew the
option to P not to speak about it
experience
(metaskill: deep democracy)
AF: When did you have the first one?
Investigates context within which
P:
panic attacks occur.
The first one that I identified as a panic

was a few years back. I think it was in 95
or 96. I was back in my home country for
a visit. It was a morning. I think it was
just a day or two after I had arrived. I
woke up and I remember I was in the
Experience first appears in
bathroom washing myself and I felt a
proprioceptive channel.
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tightness in my chest and a sense of

worry and then I thought, Ill go lie
down on the couch. And then I was
Possible entry point to unfolding
almost falling asleep and then it was like
experience.
hhoooo, [she raised her right hand to
Organic channel switch: she is
the level of her head and then forcefully
using movement & auditory
brought it down in front of her while also
channel to express
thumping on the floor with her foot.]
proprioceptive experience.
AF: [Follows the hand motions with his eyes
Notices nonverbal signals.
and then the motions of the foot]

P:
And then it was like terror and I didnt

know there was nothing I didnt
know what I was afraid of and then,
the worst was like thinking, What's
happening to me? Am I going crazy?
This is what it is to go crazy
AF: Right. OK. Wow

P:
Feels into situation.
My sister was at home and I went to her

bed and I lay down, she put her hand on
my back and I was just telling her I dont
know what is wrong with me, and I tried
to explain to her, but she was not
understanding and that got me mad.. and
that helped, like, I sat up and got mad,
and that helped, then I started crying and
it was over.
AF: Yeah, really getting furious!

P:
Yes, because she wouldn't understand.
AF: Yeah, You blithering idiot! Why dont

you understand?
Brings in the anger that is being

talked about but not experienced
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P:
I think I was telling her something about
in the moment.
relationships feeling really cold; I hadn't

connected yet with anyone
AF: Amazing, wow. So, it came on suddenly,
it was a sudden thing
P:
Yeah
AF: You said you've had a couple of them

since?
P:
within which panic attacks occur.
Yeah, I had them twice when I was in

India for worldwork and once again when
I was back in my home country when
one of my parents was ill. That was at
night; I woke up in the middle of the
night
AF: Right
P:
I was thinking yesterday that I also had

an experience when I was really young
that was similar, that has terror in it
AF: Yeah? What happened?

P:
Continuing to investigate context
I dont know how old I was, maybe four

or five. I was sick. I had fever and I was
hallucinating. I was seeing outside the
window and I was seeing the trees and
then there were shades. I could see like
the spirit of the tree like in a form coming
toward me and I was freaked out by that.
Then I had this sense that I was out in
space and I had to hold the whole
universe on the tips of my fingers, and
the feeling that I'm too small, it's
impossible to do that
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AF: Wow
P:
And I think that was like my first sense of

terror there
AF: You had to hold the whole universe on

the tips of your fingers?
P:
Yeah and I was just feeling so infinitely

small and the hugeness of the
AF: Mmm
P:
It was a weird. I cant really describe the

sense. It was a weird sense.
AF: Yeah
P:
And then once I freaked out in nature. I

was camping out alone and I freaked out
with everything around.
AF: No one thing! Nature, worldwork, at

home, so it's not a simple, one little thing
Thinks out loud about the

process (meta-communicates).
doing it, at least from the outside.

P:
[Nods]
Positive feedback
AF: OK shall we work on it a little bit?
Checking if P feels at ease with
P:
working directly on the
[Nods smiling]
AF: Are you OK with that?

P:
experience of panic.
Yeah.
AF: And, when I say are you ok with doing

it I'm doing it here in public just now
with P, and I know she's healthy but with
people, depending on their age and
everything, I want to be gentle about it,
working on the subject directly.
AF: Well, where do you think your life is
headed in the moment? What is your
sense of where you're going in your life?
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Getting information on her

everyday life, her identity.
P:
[Looks down, then at AF] In words?
AF: In words You may not know

P:
When you asked that question the thing

that came to me was I dont know!"
That's my main question in the
She identifies with wanting to
background, like what am I doing?
know where her life is going
Where am I going?
(primary process).
AF: [Looking at P] Right Well, we really

could use that sentient walking to find out
more about that [AF is referring to an
exercise he had the class do the
previous week] but I think I'm going to
thinking to myself I want to focus on
the panic state too. Maybe that will help
each other, we don't know!
P:
[Nods]
AF: So, what direction would the unknown

have actually? Not knowing may be a
Changes his mind and explores

direction that came up.
direction in itself
P:
[Faces the windows, having her back to

the class]
AF: That way? That's the unknown! Yeah,
Metaskill: humor
right out the door! That parking lot is full

of good stuff
[AF and P laugh and class laughs]
AF: Goes out that way
P:
Yeah, backwards.
AF: Backwards! It goes backwards, the
(words that are descriptive yet
unknown.
P:
Uses blanc access words
Last week when we did that exercise,

that back thing, that last little thing that
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avoid naming) so that P can fill

in the description with her
we had to walk, I felt I got to the panic
experience, as she does. For
thing. Where I was supposed to go
her that direction is backwards.
panicked me
AF: You sort of panic about that Ok. Good,
Notices a connection arising.
we're on the right track, working on

panic. Ok.
AF: Can you remember
P:
[Nods and closes her eyes]
Positive feedback to suggestion

(her body follows).
AF: some small amount of that panic state?
[Level: attempting to enter
Can you recall a little bit of that panic
dreamland] Attempts to create
feeling, the panic state, just enough so
an entry point by having her
that you have a sense of it
recall the state. Pauses making

space for her to experience it.
P:
[Stands still, head tilted downward, eyes
Her signals suggest she's
closed]
experiencing something in the

AF: and maybe even you can feel a little bit Helps her focus on
of it in your body, not so much that it is
too uncomfortable but just enough so

that you have a sense of it
P:
[Stands still, head tilted downward, eyes

closed]
AF: Uh hm Can you feel it a little bit?
Same as above.
P:
Positive feedback to the entry
[Nods keeping her eyes closed]
point P is in the experience.

AF: Can you let it manifest just a tiny bit in
P:
Suggests channel change (from
your movements?
proprioception to movement).
[With eyes still closed] I can feel a
P's experience is in a coupled
shaking in my legs
channel: proprioception and

movement together.
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AF: A shaking in your legs You feel that?

P:
[Nods]
AF: [Looks down toward her legs and her

moving fingers and waits silently for
about a minute]
AF: Ok, goodwe could do a lot with that.
We could just do movement work but I
Talks with P about direction

(metacommunicates).
would like to see if you can put your

hands together in a circle in front of you
P:
[With eyes still closed puts out her hands
Positive feedback (her body
in front of her forming a circle]
follows).
AF: and see if you can put that sense of

paniciness
P:
[Blows a little air out of her mouth]
Somatic response to the

suggestion.
AF: the shaking of the legs as you call it, see

if you can put it in your hands
Suggests another channel

change (from proprioception &
movement to visual).
P:
[With eyes still closed turns her palms
Somatic response to the
facing the ceiling and extends her hands
suggestion of putting panic in
out in front of her, making a motion,
her hands.
almost like giving something away]

AF: Even make your hands almost
Does not focus on somatic

response.
P:
[With eyes still closed turns the palms of
Follows his suggestions.
her hands back so that they are facing

one another forming a circle]
AF: like it could hold it. That's right! [Touches
slightly P's right palm pulling her hand
slightly more to the side making the circle
bigger].
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Brings her awareness to the

area inside her palms.
P:
[Opens her eyes] I don't want to! [Smiles
Edge to enter into the process.
and shakes her head, like a quick
Edge feedback = mixed positive
shudder]
(smile) and negative (the word,

"no" and the shudder) feedback.
AF: Ok! Don't do it yet!
Acknowledges and accepts the

part of her that doesn't want to
go into it. (Metaskill: deep
democracy).
P:
I think that was what was in the first
She becomes aware of the
movement [puts her hands out in front of
meaning of her prior somatic
her facing upward making the same
response.
motion] like I wanted to

AF: [Making the same motion] You wanna
Making space for this part to
get rid of it! Go away! [Toward class] You express itself.

take it, out there!
Using humor to lighten tension.
[Class laughs]
(Metaskill: playfulness & humor).
P:
Positive feedback.
[Beaming!] Yeah!
AF: That's right! Thank you! I just want to

affirm the process of not wanting to go
Accepting all parts (Metaskill:

deep democracy).
into it.
P:
[Smiles and nods]
Positive feedback.
AF: I'll have a sip of my water [Gets his

water] Want some schnapps?
P:
Gives P a minute to take a

break.
[Takes a sip then stands with eyes

closed]
AF: You ready to go again with that?
[Level: Attempting to enter

dreamland]
P:
[With eyes closed nods]
Indication shes in the

AF: OK. I'll do it quickly so it won't be hard. I'll Acknowledging the difficulty of it.
do it with you. [To class] If I was to work
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with someone else, you could do it for

them, but here [puts out his hands in
P:
front of him forming a frame] do you feel
Suggests she goes into the
it a little bit in your legs?
coupled channels of
[Nods]
proprioception & movement
AF: Put your hands up like this. [Comes

around to the front holding his hands up
where the experience is

occurring, amplify (feel it) and
forming a frame]
P:
[Opens her eyes and looks at AF's

hands]
AF: and just see it quickly
quickly switch to the visual

channel.
P:
[Closes her eyes again]
Indication shes focusing on the

proprioceptive channel (which is
coupled with movement here).
AF: inside your hands. See that shaking state Suggests switch to visual
in there. Do you see it right in here?
channel.
[Moves his hands in the frame that P's

hands are forming]
P:
[Stands still with her eyes closed]
Still in proprioceptive/movement
channel.
AF: [Moves to her side] You were feeling it in
Attempts to help her make the
your legs, I'll touch your knee just for a
switch by touching the part of
second [taps her knee lightly], now put it
the body where she experiences
right in here [touches the inside of each
the panic in the coupled
of her palms] that trembling state. What
proprioceptive/movement
do you see? Maybe you can describe it
channels and then the part of
for us
the body where he is suggesting

she visualize it.
P:
Negative feedback to switch to

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visual channel.
P:
It was dark and then the shape was
Attempts to describe
like there were just like forms
visualization (attempting to go
[moves hands in wave-like motions]
along with AF suggestion) but

process is in the movement
channel (i.e., visual description
is vague & her engagement
/energy level in low, while her
hand motions are intense &
energy there is flowing).
AF: There you go! The hands are showing

us
Notices hand motions and

switches directions encouraging
amplification in movement
channel.
P:
[Begins to move hands faster]
Positive feedback to channel

(body follows).
Gives time for her to experience

movement.
AF: Great! Now, with that energy in your
Suggests switch from movement
hands maybe you can make a drawing.
to visual channel (to get a visual
Let that energy draw itself.
representation of the energy of

the panic).
P:
[Takes marker and makes quick, sharp
Positive feedback (body
motions, drawing wave-like lines from top follows).

to bottom]
AF: Yeah! Gee! That is intense! Tzzzz
tzzzz [repeats the sound that the
Notices intensity of motions and
marker was making on the board when P
mirrors intensity of her motions
was drawing] Amazing! Ok! Now, I'm
in sounds.
going to go through this quickly to make

it easy for you. It is going like that?
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[Mirrors her quick movements as she

was drawing]
P:
Yes
AF: So now just do that in movement, those

squiggly movements you made
Suggest going back to

movement channel and
amplifying further.
P:
[Smiles]
Edge (i.e., simultaneous positive

feedback smile, and negative
feedback body not following).
AF: just for a moment and see where it is
Encourages her.
leading you. Take a moment, have the

feeling
P:
[Moves her right hand up and down like

throwing a punch to the ground and
smiles] This is the biggest edge!
AF: I know! This is the worst moment of them
P:
Edge work: uses a mixture of
all [soft voice]. This is the edge that we
acknowledging the difficulty of it,
really ought not to cross! [Laughter in
lightness and playfulness
voice] But let's do it! [Louder voice,
through humor, a small push to
definitive tone] I'll do it with you[Begins
try to go into experience, and
to shake] Like this?
doing it for her to begin with to
[Stands still, watches him shake. Her
help her go over the edge.
hands make motions like shaking

something off]
AF: Is that right?
P:
[Movement of hands spreads to
Her body begins to follow
shoulders and P starts letting go into
shes crossing the edge.
shaking, in an almost wave like motion

that's going through her entire body from
Movement begins to unfold and
head to toe and this motion is
auditory channel is added
accompanied by a "fheeewww" sound]
organically.
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AF: That's it! Yeahoh great.yeah
Encourages amplification and

gives time for movement
experience to unfold.
P:
[Motion intensifies, especially the

shaking of the head]
AF: Wow dont hurt your neck when you do Takes care of her physical wellthatTry that again and this time we'll
being. Encourages her to use
use our awareness with that state a little
her awareness. (She is
tiny bit, see where it is taking us
unfolding experience in an
unoccupied channel = she is not
aware of her experience in that
P:
[Shakes more]
channel.)
AF: Yes, yes Um hm Yes

P:
[Keeps repeating a motion that starts by
Cycling of incomplete motion.
shaking body and ends in the shaking of

her head]
AF: Yeah, that head motion Yeah
Notices & brings awareness to

the secondary aspect of the
movement (part of movement
that seems further away from
her awareness).
P:
[Keeps shaking for a while and then
She has reached an edge in the
stops and puts her hands over her face]
movement channel yet she is

now in the midst of unknown
territory, for she had crossed the
initial edge and entered the
unoccupied channel and began
to unfold her experience in that
channel. She is in an altered
state.
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AF: [Moves closer and lightly touches her
P:
Joins her and supports her
shoulder] Yeah Where is that headed?
emotionally at that spot. Helps
What is that doing with you? Where is
with questions to introduce
that headed?
awareness in the altered state.
[Keeps having her hands in front of her

eyes]
AF: [Takes a step back and looks her then
Feels into the situation.
takes a step toward her again] Maybe I

can do that too.
P:
[Opens her eyes]
P:
It doesn't make sense
Positive feedback to suggestion.
AF: Yeah? That's good that it doesn't make

sense!
AF thought that she had an

insight about where it is heading
that didn't make sense.
P:
"What is this?" This is what comes up for
This thought is in part what's
me
stopping her from unfolding the

movement further. It's part of the
edge. Her everyday mind finds
the experience
incomprehensible and doesnt
want to go more into it.
AF: Oh! Right. You dont know. Amy, could
Brings in second facilitator to
you help us? [Amy is AF's partner. She
mirror her motions, switching
works and teaches with him. I will refer to from unoccupied (movement) to
her as AF2] Maybe you could make
occupied (visual) channel to
those motions that she made?
introduce awareness.
[AF2 gets up and puts her arm around P's
Second awareness facilitator
shoulder. P puts her arm around AF2's
connects with her before
waist. They hug for a few seconds and
jumping into the work.
then put their arms down.

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P:
[Puts her hands in front of her face.]
AF: Watch Amy

P:
Goes back inside.

Suggest visual channel.
[Opens eyes and watches AF2 doing her

movements]
AF: Do you want to try it again while she's

P:
Suggests she goes back into
doing it?
movement channel.
[Starts shaking her body]
AF: Thats it Maybe making a sound with it

will help you.
Suggest she unfolds experience

further by adding auditory
channel.
P:
[Starts shaking her head and making
small sounds]
[AF2 mirrors those sounds making them
Amplifies process by mirroring
louder and then suddenly P roars loudly.
sounds and making them louder.
AF2 jumps back startled and laughs! P
Process unfolds into a roar and
laughs! Class laughs!]
gets to another edge (she stops

yet also laughs).
AF: Aha! Brrrrrr-raaaa! Yeah! Try that again!
Joins by mirroring and
[Takes a step toward AF2 roaring
encourages her to go back to
mirroring what P had just done. AF2
last energetic moment before
jumps back, eyes wide open. P is
the edge occurred.
watching them] Try that again! There

was a giggle there!
P:
[Roars really loud taking a large step
Goes over edge, process
towards AF2 and stops!]
unfolds a little further, gets to
[AF2 jumps back with a little scream. AF
next edge.
wraps his hands around him in front of

him making a scared face. People
whistle and laugh and clap]
AF: Wow! Yeah! Can you do that again? I
want to see that again! [Goes and stands
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Encourages her to go back.

Places himself in front of her so
P:
next to AF2] Go ahead and try that
that he experiences her coming
again!
at him with that force.
[Looks at AF and AF2 across from her
Edge behavior.
and smiles moving back and forth. She

closes her eyes and then opens them,
looks at them intensely and someone
from the class says "Yes." P roars
Support of group encourages
moving forward toward AF and AF2 with
new experience & helps her go
her eyes open, looking straight at them,
over the edge.
coming up to their faces.]

AF: YES! YES!
Supports by matching her

intensity.
[AF looks straight into her eyes and roars
Meets her with the same
back at her. P roars back at him coming
intensity. Process is unfolding
closer. A dialogue of roars ensues
now in the relationship channel.
between them looking into each others

eyes, their faces a few centimeters away.
P keeps roaring looking straight at AF,
puts her hands on his waist & pulls him
closer.
AF: Yeah! Will you kill me? [Loud voice]
P:
Helps her use her awareness
[Shakes her head from side to side, roars while in the altered state.
and smiles at him]
AF: What will you do with me? What's your

intent?
P:
[Keeps roaring at him with her hands on

his waist, her eyes looking at him and a
big smile on her face]
AF: [Looking into her eyes] What is your

intent with me?
P:
[Roars and makes a movement toward

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Encourages her awareness.
him as if she was going to bite him]

AF: What's your intent?
P:
Encourages her awareness.
[Moves slightly back, looks at AF2 who

looks back at her laughing]
[AF2 comes closer and lightly touches P's

back as if encouraging her to continue. P
roars at AF twice with an "umph" sound,
steps forward again, puts her hand on
his waist and pulls him closer to her.
Class laughs]
AF: Yes! Yes! Wonderful! If you let it go all
the way where would it go? Would it eat
Encourages her to go all the

way.
me?
P:
[Closes her eyes and goes quiet]
Edge.
AF: Don't think about it! While you're coming
Encourages her to go back into
at me roaring ask where is this going to
movement and meditate on her
go? What are you going to do? What
intention while in the movement.
does it want? Just do it again and think it

while you're doing it.
P:
[Nods smiling]
AF: What? You know what it wants?

P:
[Nods smiling]
AF: You cant say?

[P looks at AF2]
AF2: It's ok! It's ok!
P:
Love making
Crosses the edge.
AF: Love making! I somehow thought about

that!
[Class laughs, whistles and claps]
AF2: [Gets up and embraces P from the
shoulders]
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Joins her.
AF: It wants to aaaarrr! Where is the stuff?!

Yeah?!
P:
[Laughs in agreement]
AF: Ok! Now how about going even further?
[Level: Begins attempt to go
Go further into lovemaking, not that there
from dreamland to essence]
has to be anything else, but what's in the
Encourages her to go even
love making? Go even further. What's
further by beyond the content by
way behind it? [Roars and mimics that
going back into the experience
roaring character] Aaarrrrr yiumph!
(as it had unfolded in movement
[AF2 grabs P's arm. P grabs AF2's left arm

and then lets go, and then grabs AF2's
and sound) and meditating on

whats behind that experience.
both arms]
AF: Yeah, grab her!
Notices & encourages
P:
movement.
[Grabs AF2 and goes into the

movements more slowly, meditating on
them] It's just like Ugh! It's just like
[grabs AF2 and squeezes in a tight hug]
AF2: You got me!

AF: Holding
Notices what's happening and
P:
brings awareness to it.
AF: I see holding

P:
Yes, but it's also like going for it, not
The experience of "going for it"
stopping
is associated with what emerged

in the realm of dreamland
(through unfolding the dreamlike
aspects of her panic attack her
trembling)
AF: Uh hm And now you have it. What is it

you got there?
Tries to help her go even further

than the experience of "going for
it."
P:
[Grabs AF2 tighter and holds on, closing

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her eyes]
AF: That's where it's going [points at her]
[Level: Entering essence] He
Something really big in there [moves to
notices the level change and
the background and stays quiet]
points it out. Makes space for
[AF2 holds on tighter and rests her head on
the state to be.
P's shoulder. AF2 nods]

P:
I then start letting go like I start to

disappear
AF: It starts to disappear it lets go And
Explores the possibility that
what is it that's happening before you let
letting go is an edge to the
go? What is it that it got? [Opens his
state she was in right before she
arms to the side and then brings them
let go and encourages her to go
closer encouraging them to go back into
back and explore the state.
the hug] Sorry to go back

[P and AF2 hug again]
AF: What is that? [Touches with his left hand
P's right shoulder and with his right hand
AF2s left shoulder as P & AF2 are
hugging] What are the words? Maybe
there is a word for that?
Encourages her to focus and

use her awareness of the state
she goes into.
Attempts to unfold state by
[P and AF2 stay for another minute in one

another's arms in silence, then P moves
a little backward and wipes a tear]
P:
Joins them.
asking her to notice any words

that pop up in her while in that
state.
Just love
AF: Just love

P:
Yeah [Tries to speak but no words are

coming out]
[Level: Exploring essence]
AF: You dont have to say more about it. You

can just feel it
Making space for the experience

to be.
.
AF: I'm going to ask you to do something that
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you probably wouldn't do by yourself,

and that's to make another sign on top of
this one [points to the drawing of the
energy of the panic that P made in the
beginning] that goes along with that
Suggests unfolding experience
feeling of lets use the word love
by expressing it in movement
[Stands still next to her] When you're
and through that a creation of a
ready
visual representation of it .
[P's hands move and AF puts a marker in her

palm]
AF: let your body make a motion.
P:
[Moves to the board and draws lines over

the first one. Her motions are slower than
the ones she made before though they
are still wave-like, squiggly]
AF: How can this I'm going through these

things with you quickly, it would take
longer to really feel them all out but I
want to ask you even though it may be
too much to ask you so quickly how
does this feeling of love [makes the
slow wave-like motions that she made as
she was drawing just now] help with
those panic states?
P:
[Going from essence to

consensus reality] He is
referring to the process of
exploring the essence which
involves taking time sensing it
and letting it express itself in
hand motions, dance-like
movements, finding its rhythm or
[Puts her hands over her heart and with

her eyes closed stays silent for a minute]
I think if I immerse myself in there
there isn't going to be a panic attack.
AF: Yeah Thank you. There is much more

that we could do with that but I'm just
going to leave it at that in the moment. Is
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song, letting it explain itself.

Senses it.
there anything else that you want to say

or ask?
P:
Something about life
AF: Something about life?

P:
Does this [points to the drawing] say

something about the direction of life?
AF: Aha! Something about the direction of

your life?
P:
[Nods]
AF: OK! Which direction does love go in?

P:
[Breaks into laughter!]
AF: I like your laughter! How come you're

P:
This is another way of going
laughing?
from the essence to consensus
[Beaming!] I know which direction! Thank
reality.
you
AF: You're welcome!
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Case 2: Woman with Arnold Mindell in private practice

Elapsed session time: 30 minutes
[P sits on a cushion that's on the floor AF sits across from her]
AF: [Whispering talking to P and to R] she said, "You're so quiet, why is that?"
I didn't realize it and I said, "I lost my voice!" And I heard that and then
[closes his eyes for a few seconds and then opens them again] then I said,
"Lost? Where it did it go? Where did I loose it?" "New Orleans! It went to the
Mardi Gras!" That was yesterday! I went long distance running I like long
distance running
P:
Uh huh
AF: and I was coming down the hill in the cold air screeching "Yahoo!"
P:
[Smiles and claps] Ooooo!
AF: and the cold air [his hands point to his throat]. It's great!
P:
That's fantastic!
[AF & P laugh]

P:
I can relate to that, running and aaaaaaa!
AF: You understand that?

P:
Yes! Totally!
AF: It's fun!

AF: But it's really good, a part of me is also [closes his eyes and brings his
hands up open in front of his chest, palms facing one another and then pulls
them close together] fseeeww something without that voice is [Repeats
movement of hands with eyes closed] I love it! Sometimes you lose your
finger, sometimes you lose your arm, or you lose your life, or you can lose
your voice! [Smiles] It's always something new! It's a lot of fun!
P:
[Smiles] Yes!
AF: [To P & R] OK, what are we going to do?

P:
[To R] Do I just start talking about the experience?
R:
You can start wherever you want. Whatever is good for you.
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AF: [To R] I also want to ask you since you set this hour up. What will be good
for you?
R:
To work on the panic experience in whatever way is good for the two of you.
AF: [To R] A characteristic of this work is our relationship too. I know her better
than I know the other woman that I worked with in the first session that you
recorded. [AF is referring to the fact that P is a client of his with whom they
have regular sessions whenever he is in town]. I have an immediate
connection because of the running and the ecstasy [turns his head now and
looks at P who looks back at him] so that plays a big role in whatever
happens. We'll see.
[AF turns to P and smiles. P smiles back]
AF: Hi there!
P:
Hi! Well, I should start by saying I've never worked on this! Ever!
AF: What happens? What is it?

P:
Its in the past so I dont feel them currently
AF: Oh
P:
except that I can say that I do these days feel an anxiety and heart
palpitations [brings her left hand in front of her chest and makes a motion
showing the rhythm of the palpitation that she experiences]
AF: [His eyes follow the motions of P's hands]

P:
and that, in the past, is how they started. It started with noticing my heart
[repeats the same motion with her left hand] arrhythmia. It would go Du.
Du-du-du [shows the rhythm now with her voise]. And strong, like when it
did beat, it would beat very strong.
AF: Oh uh hm [Nods]
AF: I feel drawn to telling you the story about when they happened. Shall I do
that?
AF: Yeah.
P:
Yeah?
AF: Yeah, please, yeah.

P:
I had two small kids and this was maybe 7 years ago now.
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AF: How old are the kids now?

P:
They're 11 and 15 ,so they were
AF: 4 and 8
P:
No, it was before that actually! My daughter was about 2. So it was 9 years
ago. They were 2 and 6. Is that true? Shit, I cant remember
AF: They were little.

P;
Yes, little. I was so stressed out and I remember taking my kids to visit my
brother in (another country) and I was in the guest room and it was made of
this beautiful wood with some windows on the top, and I woke up in the
middle of the night and I thought, Oh my god, there is no oxygen in this
room. I swear to god there is no oxygen in here"
AF: [Nods] I had never experienced anything like that.

P:
It was fucking freaky.
AF: Ts, ts, ts [shakes his head from side to side]

P:
It was, I mean, I guess [throws hands up in the air] thats a panic attack or
something.
AF: [Nods]
P:
So, I open windows, I try to breath and it really didn't help and eventually I
fell back to sleep but I didn't I was so freaked out. And then, like the
atmosphere of it hung around, but I didn't I went on with my day and my
life and it didn't really come back until I was then back where I lived and had
an experience of you know, my left arm got numb like I was having a
heart attack, and hyperventilating, going to the hospital, going to ER, getting
an EKG, everything is completely normal and yet I'm just scared to death.
AF: [Looks into her eyes and nods].

P:
And yet I know everything is fine because they tell me it's fine, and it's fine
but there's this fear in the background. I did a little therapy, mainstream
therapy, and I don't know, it didn't do much.
AF: Yeah? Where?

P:
In (a city in the US)
AF: What were you doing there?

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P:
My now ex-husband had gotten a job there
AF: Oh! Um hm.

P:
as a journalist, and yeah, I was raising kids
AF: Oh!
P:
and
AF: Oh! Aha!

P:
Being mom
AF: Aha suffocating from that?

P:
Totally
AF: I see
P:
Just completely. I was sick a lot too. I mean, if I had known anything about
Process Work in those days it would have been awesome! Sick, like
pneumonia, near death kind of sicknesses where I was convinced I was
going to die of pneumonia.
AF: Fsew
P:
I heard of a neighbor woman who actually died of pneumonia the same time
that I had pneumonia and I thought, Oh yeah, I'm next.
AF: Has your voice always been like it is now? [P's voice is a little rasp]
P:
Yeah, I want to say since I was maybe 4
AF: It's not linked to the pneumonia?

P:
No
AF: Uh huh. Wow that was then

P:
That was then.
AF: And now?

P:
Now, about 6 months ago I started feeling, I was doing some acupuncture,
and before the acupuncture, I went in for What did I go in for? Gosh, I
even remember! Anyway, I dont know remember why I started seeing him
but after about 5 sessions with the acupuncturist I started having heart
palpitations and just this kind of low grade anxiety, and I explained it by
thinking, "Well, I'm doing a lot of work on myself these days and becoming
more sensitive to the subtleties of myself and thinking, yeah, there's a part
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of me that is like anxious. I mean, I look easy going on the outside but
there's a part of me that is like anxious
AF: What were you doing the acupuncture for?
P:
I stopped it because it didn't work.
AF: What did you need it for?

P:
I cant even remember! [Laughs] I cant believe I cant remember!
AF: Yeah Sometimes you do things get married,

P:
A ha!
AF: go to acupuncture because of whatever, and it's wrong for you

P:
Yeah!
AF: and your body gets you out of it.

P:
Yeah, it wasn't right.
AF: So, you got a smart body!

P:
[Smiles and nods] Hm
AF: And so, these days how it is going for you? (Red is just pointers for me)
P:
These days [stays silent for a minute] I have an ankle problem [laughs]
AF: How about the panic thing?

P:
The panic thing
AF: Is it all better, is it?

P:
No, it's not.
AF: Oh
P:
I mean, I dont get the same level, it doesn't send me to the emergency
room but it's like, you know if I close my eyes [she closes her eyes] and I
check out
AF: Uh huh
P:
something settles but it's a lot of effort to do thatand I think the open
related thing [she opens her eyes and looks at AF] you know, it's an effort
actually to relate
AF: A There it is again! Uh huh

P:
and it makes me anxious [small laugh]
AF: Uh hum
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P:
In some ways I don't even know what to do relating
AF: Yeah, nobody does! [P laughs] There's nothing to do! Yeah.

P:
[Nods, smiles] Uh huh
AF: And your heart itself, electrically is it ok?

P:
I think so.
AF: You think so. Any heart trouble in your family?

P:
My maternal grandfather had a hear attack, died of a heart attack.
AF: How old was he?

P:
70s
AF: Otherwise?
P:
No.
AF: And the running is good?

P:
Well it used to, I means, I have this ankle thing so I can't run anymore but I
love doing, I do this intense yoga, so I like doing things that are very
AF: Rev you up?

P:
Yeah!
AF: Aerobic?
P:
Yeah. I mean, the yoga is aerobic. It's the only thing I can do in the moment.
If I could run I probably would.
AF: And your heart is good then when you run?

P:
Yup.
AF: Ok, because I have to be sure. Sometimes doctors misdiagnose things, and
heart attacks sometimes do occur even though the measurements are
perfect, but that doesn't seem to be the case with you.
P:
I dont feel that. I dont know that but I dont feel that.
AF: No, because youre running and those kinds of things are better stress tests
than
P:
Right.
AF: So, that's good. And your stomach? How is your tummy?
P:
It's ok
AF: It's ok, no troubles there? No pain? No stomach pain?

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P:
No. It's where I feel tension but there's no pain.
AF: You feel tension there?

P:
Yeah, when I get upset or tense or anxious, it's like right there [points to her
stomach].
AF: [Puts his hand on his tummy] How do you feel tense there?
P:
I dont know [laughs]
AF: A cramp?
P:
Yeah, it's like a knot [P makes a fist with her left hand]
AF: Not a burning?

P:
Yeah, not a burning. It's like a knot.
AF: Ok.
P:
And in the moment it's changing because I'm working on it but I lost a lot of
weight in the last couple of months. Like, I'm not a big woman and I lost
maybe 7 to 10 lbs, like it melted off me like it was It was weird. I got it
checked out. I got blood tests and nothing was wrong, and I think it
stabilized and it's going back up.
AF: Ok.
P:
That's the picture.
AF: Ok, you're in good shape.

P:
Yeah.
AF: So it happens sometimes in relationship.

P:
Um hum I would say mostly.
AF: Is it there now? A little tiny bit?

P:
A little
AF: Where is it?

P
[Points to belly]
AF: Oh yeah Tense?

P:
Um hum.
AF: How about up here? [Points to his chest]

P:
A little, too, yeah.
AF: What's happening up

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P:

P:
Yeah

P:
Um hum [closes her eyes and nods]
AF: Freeze right up entirely

P:
[Sits still in silence]
AF: Get like a knot, so to speak in your head

P:
[Head tilts downward]
AF: That's great You're getting real frozen [Moves toward her] I'm going to
see if you're frozen [touches her left knee giving her leg a small push and
then taps her left knee with his finger] Oh yeah! [Touches the top of her
head with his palm and then taps it lightly] Oh yeah! Thats good, and while
you're doing that [lightly pats her left knee] pay attention to what you
experience inside
P:
Um hum..
P:
I just felt like a rush! [The palm of her left hand which was resting in her lap
made a small quick, abrupt upward motion]
AF: I saw it with your hand [touches her hand] What it it do? What happened?
P
[Makes the hand motion and spontaneously adds a sound "fseew"]
AF: Do that again.

[P makes motion and sound and AF makes sound with her louder and twice. P
repeats motion and sound, this time louder]
AF: A rush! From where?
P:
From where? [As she's repeating the question her left palm touches her
tummy]
AF: Yeah.
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P:
From right here [Her hand now touches tummy and moves upward along
esophagus]
AF: Tummy?
P:
Yeah and then up to here [her left hand is now repeating this sudden, abrupt
motion of coming up from the tummy to the chest along the vertical center of
the body]

P:
Um hum [Keeps repeating the motion] Now, I'm hot [removes her
sweater]

P:
Um hum [Sits still now, silent, with her head tilted downward]

P:
AF: What happened when you took your sweater off? [Touches lightly her right
knee] Are you doing ok with that?
P:
Um hum
AF: And the rush got better?

P:
Yeah, it's not a continuous rush, it was lika a [talks with her head still tilted
downward] it's like when I'm anxious, there's a psssseeeww [makes same
sudden abrupt upward motion as before] like if I it feels like adrenaline but
the feeling, the experience is something that goes psssseeeww [repeats
same motion]
AF: Psssseeeww
P:
and then it like stops, it goes back down, out or somethingWhere does it
go? [Repeats motion and sound] That's it.
AF: And what's doing that psssseeeww? [Touches her hand and hand repeats
motion]
P:
P:
It's not happening now so it's hard to track.
AF: How come?

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P:
How come what?
AF: How come it's not happening? I like it. I like that it happened and I like that
it's not happening.
P:
How come it is not happening now? Um because I'm frozen enough

(laughs) like I can't
AF: You were getting real hot [Get's up and goes behind her] I'm going to go
back to that point. I'm going back to get your sweater.
P:
You want me to put it on?
AF: No , I'm just going to put it over you for a minute. So [puts her sweater
over her shoulders] you had your sweater on
P:
Um hum
AF: you were boiling and then you said, get this damn thing off
P
[Laughs]
AF: Right?
P:
Um hum
AF: and you took it off right, you went like you took it off
P:
Um hum
AF: OK?
P:
Um hum
AF: Fseew! [Takes sweater off her shoulders and throws it to the side]
AF: How did that relieve something?
P:
Yeah, it was like the heat, even now I feel hot, it was like the heat was too
much
AF: Um hum
P:
the intensity
AF: OK, then, let's see what's happening in there as you're freezing [leans over
and touches her knees gently and lightly]
P
[Sits still, with head tilted downward]
P:
Now I'm aware of my heart beating harder.
AF: OK, how hard it is beating?

P:
Fssswwh-fssssswh
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AF: Fsssswh- fssssswhfssssswh

P
[Starts making the sound of her heart beating in the rhythm that it's beating.
The rhythm is a fast one] fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh- fssssswhfssssswh
AF: Let me see, can you do the motion with one of your hands?
P
[Makes pumping motion with her left palm, then the hand stops]

P:

P:
Um hum
AF: It quieted down! So every time you feel something and you express it, it
quiets down
P:
Um hum [loud]
AF: Just keep your attention inside, whatever arises maybe you want to feel free
to express it.
P:
Um hum [Her head moves up] Ok, I notice I relaxed and I am not tense
any more
AF: [Watches her for a minute then closed his eyes and goes inside too]
P:
[Stays inside and is quiet then suddenly starts blowing air! She takes in big
breaths and exhales out of her mouth with a loud sound "fseew" and
blowing the hair that covers her face]
AF: [Opens his eyes, looks at her and smiles] I like that Hm, what are you
doing?
P:
I noticed there's like [her left hand is in front of her tummy again, fingers
clenched] part of me relaxed [her hands drop down] but there was still part
of me like hhhhhhh [clenches fingers]
AF: Mmm
P:
So then it felt like it [her hand moves upward from the tummy] wanted to do
that [her hand continues upward and then away from her body making that
same motion that she was making before, like something coming all the way
up from the tummy and out from the mouth]
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AF: Yeah
P:
and you said if you feel something express it
AF: Nice
P:
so I thought, lets try that!
AF: Beautiful I like that you do it with your hand too.

P:
[The hand comes up again making the same motion as she inhales and
exhales blowing from her mouth] fseeehhhhh
AF: Mmm...
P:
Feeehhhhh
AF: Let's say there is a sentence with that.

P:
Feeehhhhh here it all is!
AF: Hm!
P:
[Laughs]
AF: What is it?

P:
Here is everything I feel inside [her voice is loud and hand keeps making
that same motion of bringing something up from the tummy out from the
mouth]
AF: Mm
P:
and fseeehhhhh it means nothing or everything, I have no idea but just, here
it is, fseeehhhhh
AF: Mm What is that? I like it. Fseeehhhhh [AF mirrors this abrupt bursting out
while also sitting very calm, looking at her attentively]
P:
fseeehhhhh
AF: It looks like a lot of passion.

P:
Mmm! [in agreement] I noticed a picture of a volcano today, it flirted with

me, just like fseeehhhhh [the sound is more intense, louder and the motions
of the hands a big larger same upward motion]
AF: Mmm
P:
Feeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [sound keeps going longer]
AF: Wow
P:
Feeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [even longer]

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AF: [Reaches out and his fingers grab her fingers as they are clenched pulling
on them] helps her amplify arm movements, upwards.]
P:
Feeehhhhh, fseeehhhhh, fseeehhhhh [her hands now start moving upward

going above her head]
AF [His hands are on the elbows]

P:
[Her arms stretch out straight above her head]
AF: [His palms are on her forearms giving her a little resistance]
P:
[She pushes up against his hands while making same sound]
AF: Right
P:
[She goes more and more into the sounds which keep getting louder with
her hands stretched straight above her head]
AF: There you go mmm [he keeps providing some resistance to her arms
as they move upward]
P:
Feeehhhhhhhhhhoooooo [the sound is really loud now and her body leans
forward, with her arms stretched straight above her head so now they are
parallel to the ground as she is leaning forward and rest on AF's shoulders.
She then takes a few breaths and exhales slower and slower and then does
a final fseeehhhhh]
AF: Mm
P:
[Exhale]
AF: Um hum [His head is tilted downward, his eyes closed]

AF: Hm!
P:
[Takes her hands off AF's shoulders and shakes them three times]
AF: Pretty wild! [His head still tilted downward and his eyes closed]
P:
[laughs, opens here eyes and sees him with his eyes closed. She puts her
hands in from of her face]
AF: [Lifts his head up, opens his eyes, sees her with her hands in front of her
face]
AF: Pretty nice! [Looking at her]
P:
[Opens up her eyes and sees AF looking at her]
AF: Hello! [smiles]

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P:
Hello! [Looks at him and smiles]
AF: Good [looks straight into her eyes while saying that then lowers his eyes to
the ground as he says] and feel free to go back inside anytime you want.
P:
Um hum [She closes her eyes again]
AF [Opens his eyes for a second, glances at her and closes his eyes again]
AF: Um hum [with eyes closed]
P:
Mm [with eyes closed]
AF [Opens his eyes for a second, glances at her and closes his eyes again]
P:
[With eyes still closed] Something still, it's like in here [her hands are in front
of her tummy, with fingers clenched] it's like [clenches her fingers and her
jaws]
AF: [Opens his eyes momentarily, sees her hands and jaws and then closes
them again] Well, bring it out
P:
[She starts blowing air from her mouth, her hands are pulsating till suddenly
they are starting to throw punches in the air]
AF: [Has opened his eyes and watches the hand motions and when he sees the
punches he says] A ha!
P:
Yeah! [She throws a few punches in the air] That feels good! [her jaws
clenched as she says that.
AF: AngrinessYeah [reaches over and puts his palms over her fists giving
some resistance. He then slaps the outside of her fist and then puts his
palms up in front of her, facing her and she starts punching them]
AF: Right
P:
[Keeps throwing punches at AF's palms]
AF: [After each punch that he receives he says] Yeah Yeah..

P:
[Starts throwing punches in a slower rhythm and with a greater strength]
AF: Oh yeah!
P:
[Moves into a one-two pattern of throwing punches with increased strength]
AF: [Reaches to the side for a pillow!]

P:
[Laughs] Right!
AF: [Holds a pillow up in front of him]

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P:
That's good! [Moves her body from the cross-legged position that she was
in to a kneeling one and starts punching the pillow, stronger and stronger]
AF: Right! Yeah!

P
[Punches stronger and stronger]
AF: Wow!
P:
Ugh[Punch] Ugh [Punch] Ugh, ugh, ugh [Three punches in a row]
AF: Yeah [providing resistance]

P:
[Keeps punching stronger]
AF: Yeah! Who is this?

P:
That isI wanna say, fucking bastard [Keeps punching it]
AF: Who's that?

P:
I don't know who it is [Keeps punching pillow]
AF: Fucking bastard?

P:
Something that keeps me from like expressing myself
AF: Oh, my god

P:
I don't know who [takes off her socks] that is, my father has a hard time
expressing himself So something feels like
AF: What's keeping you down?

P:
Yeah, what's keeping me down? [Gives the pillow two punches, then stops
and closes her eyes]
AF: Probably have to give him a good punch. You gotta give him real punch
[she punches the pillow hard] and kill him, yeah! Who was that keeping you
down?
P:
[She moves her hands in circles]
AF: What's it look like?

P:
It's like a I can't it's a fee it's a feeling [picks up the pillow and holds it
in front of her] it's like a wall, I dont see a figure, it's
AF: It's a wall

P:
Something that's [punches the air] like the punching is I want to break
through that wall that has me so tied up in there
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AF: Nice [smiles at her] I gotcha! [Sits on his knees in a Zen like position] So the
wall is the problem.
P:
Yeah
AF: So there is a wall

P:
Um hum
AF: to showing exactly what you feel

P:
Um hum [she sits in a Zen like position too]
AF: all the time

P:
Um hum [Closes her eyes too]
AF: and acting on it.

P:
Um hum
AF: [Nods]
P
[Nods]
AF: [With his eyes closed] So without that wall [moves his hands up and down in
front of his body where she was moving her hand before] you'd be free to be
whatever is here [points in front of him]
P:
Um hum
AF [With his eyes still closed] there'd be no inner or outer world

P:
Um hum [with her eyes still closed]
AF: It would just be you

P:
Ah! [Smiles] It sounds so good! [Laughs] Yeah!
AF: [Smiles] That's what you are looking for!

P:
A ha! [Nods]
AF: Just you Pretend that you went over the edges
P
[Deep sigh]
AF: and that you can have that for whatever, a couple of minutes.
P:
Um hum [closes her eyes, moves her head from side to side]
AF: You can behave

P:
Ha [strong exhale] [They both still have their eyes closed through this
entire interaction]
AF: anyway you feel.

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P:
[Her upper body folds and she drops to the ground, rolls on her back holding
the pillow over her face, then she just stars following her body (i.e., allowing
her body to move), rolling around. She moves in front of AF]
AF [Reaches his hand and puts it on her back]

P
[Keeps moving her body in relation to AF's hand on her back]
AF Yeah, this is your relationship style

P:
[laughs]
AF This is what you'll really be

P:
Yeah, whatever that is!
AF: Very somatic [AF still has his hand on her back]
P:
Yeah [laughs] puts her head in his lap, stays there for a minute then gets
up] A! It feels so good!
AF: Very physical.

P:
It's very physical. My body just feels like that [she drops to the ground again]
and I just go okaaayyyy.[Rolls around and ends up again kneeling on all
four in front of AF with her forehead touching the ground.]
AF: [Puts his hand on the back] Right and a very touching connection too.
P:
Um hum
AF: Very free

P:
[Rolls around once more and ends up sitting on her knees]
AF: This reminds me, this is really good, this is really rightThe other day when
we worked
P:
I know! [Laughs]
AF: Can I say?

P:
Yeah! Yeah! It's so interesting!
AF: There's a contactfulnes, not verbal, just sort of [his body mirrors her
previous movements] this [His hand reaches out and touches her arm
while his head is tilted down and his eyes closed]
P:
Yeah
AF: (reach?) without limits Just contacting [his head goes down again with
his eyes closed, his hands touching her knees]
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P:
Yeah
AF: It wants to meet Any other way of relationship is unbearable.

P:
Um hum
AF: To some people you want to make contact with [he touches her arm] to
others you want to say [puts his tongue out making a grimace and a motion
with his hands as if pushing something away]
P:
[She looks at him and laughs nodding in agreement]
AF: [With his eyes still closed and his hands up in the air pushing something or
somebody away] I have to go.
P:
Um hum [in a loud voice]
AF: I don't know why, I'm just going!

P:
Oh god! That's so good
AF: How?
P:
That part!
AF: It's also somatic, you see. [He comes close, closes his eyes, touches lightly
her knee and turns his head to the side] You're Ok, my body has to go, it's
gone. There I go. Fseew! I dont know why, I'll discuss it next month!
P:
[Laughs while looking at him intensely]
AF: If at all.
P:
That's so I'm fascinated! That's so my experience! [Laughs]
AF: Yeah, like a shaman. You dont have to know why

P:
Uh huh
AF: Just feel it here [points at his tummy then puts his hands up in front of him
facing her] fssshhhh [and then turns suddenly to the side] fseeew! I love
you today [turns his body back to face her but still has his eyes closed] you
are ok, but that's it! Fseew [turns to the side] I am over here! [Turns and
looks at her] What happened to you? [He's acting as if the person he was
relating to asked him that question] I dont know! I am gone!
P:
[Laughs!]
AF: Non verbal It's a relationship style!
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P:
Oh, god! [Laughs!] How does that look Arny? [Her body sways to the side,
her head tilted toward the ground then comes up again]
AF: It looks like accepting whatever is in your body!

P:
Uh huh!
AF: It has no form.

P:
Right!
AF: I dont know what it will look like.

P:
Right!
AF: Like [his head tilts downward as his body leans forward] It looks like me
today. Quiet voice [whispers] That's what I am, but still in contact [reaches
his leg and touches her knee with his toes]
P:
Um hum
AF: The people I don't want to contact, I turn my back on them.

P:
Um hum
AF: I've never done that in public but in my practice I'll [he turns his back to
her]
P:
Really?
AF: Yeah, I'll go and look out the door. What are you doing? What are you
doing? I dont know! [He was role playing the conversation between himself
and the person he's turned his back to] You have no models.
P:
I like that! [Laughs] I dont have any models
AF: So you have to create them

P:
Um hum I'm going to be really weird!
AF: You are!

P:
Um hum!
AF: But warm and friendly.

P:
Um hum!
AF: Just unpredictable!

P:
Um hum!
AF: So you can't be a predictable partner or a predictable mother, father,

therapist, anything
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P:
Um hum
AF: and yet something is very predictable, but getting into a category or box for
you is death. Fssssew [He makes the motions that she was making when
she was expressing the tension in her body and then he throws a punch]
P:
[Laughs]
AF: Some is good, and then some not.

P:
I feel good!
AF: [to R] That's her panic!

AF and P look at one another and smile.
AF: We should bring Lily in.
P:
[to AF] Great!
P:
[to R] Hi Lily!
R:
Hey (name of P)
AF: [to P] Can we talk about it?

P:
Yeah, please!
AF: Isn't that interesting? She's got a panic thing that's different. It's got an
exogenous orientation. It's coming from her relationship style. She has an
unusual relationship style that's not "allowed".
P
[looks at AF while he's talking nodding in agreement]
AF: So something in her [makes the same pulsating motion of the hands in front
of the tummy that P did in the beginning] when she is in that box, any box.
So, it's panic but it's really a freedom fighter.
AF [To P] It looks good on you too. You look like a relatively mainstream person
but you're not.
P:
Um humm
AF: You're lucky that you can have both worlds. And if you identify with the
mainstream part of you [makes a face]
P:
Um hum
AF: It doesn't work!

AF: What are your thoughts lily?
L:
I'm fascinated by the movements.

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AF: [To R] What are your thoughts?

L:
I was fascinated by the relationship style that the two of you modeled here,
maybe because I feel I have something similar, in a way, and then I was
thinking how important the freedom to also go seemed to be
P:
Uh hum. That's cool.
AF: I don't know, we have to think it together but I bet you it's something about
freedom, contact freedom.
P:
Contact freedom? I don't understand.
AF: Contact freedom [AF closes his eyes, reaches his hands out, leans
forward and touches her knee] In contact [turns around to the side] Free!
P:
[Nods]
AF: Stand on the head, kissing, hugging, but free! Not kissing, not hugging, get
into bed, get out of bed, running, the volcano! You're thinking?
P:
I love it! It speaks to me!
AF: You must be doing it a little bit somewhere. Do you have a relationship
where you can do that?
P:
Yeah. There's a lot of room to explore who I am, so
AF: Make all your relationships like that. Make sure everybody who knows you
knows that you're an explorer. Tell them ahead of time, I'm warning you! I
could be weird!
P:
[Laughs]
AF: Tell them, so you dont have to adapt.

P:
Oh yeah! That's good! That's a good idea.
AF: Do you have any questions?

P:
I wish I could think!
AF: No thinking! She's still there! That's good, what you just did! You just said, I
dont want to think! I can't talk to you. It's just it!
P:
[Smiles a big smile] That's great! That's what it looks like!
AF: That's what it looks like! I can't think. I'm not there.
P:
That's good.
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AF: What she calls panic is really just her creativity in relationships! She's a
somatic person. You can talk to her but it's not her main thing.
P:
Yeah, I love being in my body.
AF: Yeah.
P:
I love [makes hand motions of wrestling]
AF: Yeah, you're dressed for it!

P:
Nothing makes me happier than that thing we talked about at the beginning,
just running down the street, just following my body
AF: I would say that's it, we needn't go any further talking will just screw it up.
P:
And I talk a lot! Isnt that weird?
AF: Well, you can but it is not everything.

P:
Um hum I dont say much when I talk!
AF: Just keep your eyes closed when you're in contact with people just see
what your body does
P:
[Sits with her eyes closed] Uh hum Thank you, that was so good
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[P sits in one of the chairs that are in the corner of the room. AF sits in the chair
across from her]
AF: Were sitting in chairs! I almost never work in a chair.
P:
[looks at him and smiles]
AF: We'll start in a chair

P:
[Laughs] Ok!
AF: and we'll do other things too, we'll see.

P:
[Nods]
AF: Do you know me very much?

P:
Oh! Well, I've read a lot of your books
AF: Oh!
P:
and been in some of your classes
AF: Yeah
P:
and did some work with (name of a Process Work therapist) several years
ago
AF: Oh, I love her, yeah

P:
and then I also was in a womens group that (name of a Process Work
student) did for several years so, I know something
AF: We know each other, kind of, yeah, sort of, in the background but we've
never really had the chance
P:
No
AF: [To R] Lily youre sitting behind the camera, would you like to say something
about how you two know each other?
L:
I put out an email on the community string and P read it and e-mailed me
back saying that she was interested in working on her experience of panic
attacks with you. I had seen P around when she was working with other
therapist.
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AF: So you know each other a little bit.

L:
Yeah, just a little bit!
AF: Just a tiny peek, is that right?

P:
[Smiles and nods]
AF: OK, so we're going to work on panic and that is going to be for you [points
to P] and it's going to be for you [points to R]. And its going to be for me
somehow too, though I don't know how yet! So we should just jump right in
unless you [swivels his chair to face R] you want to say anything more?
L:
No, thank you.
AF: [to P] Do you want to ask Lily or me anything?

P:
Not that I know yet!
AF: We dont know yet. OK. So, I dont know you really at all very much, but
maybe, can you say a little bit about what you do?
P:
I'm a substitute librarian and I'm also a gardener part time
AF: A substitute librarian?

P:
Yeah, it's like being a substitute teacher, you just like call in and pick up
jobs. I actually work for myself but I work for them, so anyway that's what
I do.
AF: How exciting!

P:
Yeah I like it!
AF: I like that, yeah

P:
But I actually played pool professionally for most of my adult life [AF smiles]
but I haven't been playing for the last four years, but that's kind of like my
AF: You're fun! [Smiles at her]

P:
Yeah! [Smiles back] cause Im good at that
AF: Yeah! You're a lot of fun!

P:
but Im not good at the responsibility but
AF: Not good?

P:
Not really
AF: How do you mean? Sounds good to me

P:
Well I mean, I'm just not that part of my life isnt...

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AF: Responsibility?
P:
Right
AF: Towards who or what?

P:
Um
AF: Responsible in what way?

P:
Well, I mean, I just feel like I always live at a very low level
AF: [Looks at her with a questioning expression]

P:
I mean financially
AF: A! A ha
P:
like I just rent a room from an older couple and I dont make much money
and I drive an old car, all that
AF: Sounds good to me!

P:
Yeah, Im sure it sounds good to you but
AF: Its not so good for you?

P:
Its good for me too but
AF: Yeah!
P:
my folks worry.
AF: A ha
P:
Its not good for them if you play pool
AF: A! [laughs]
P:
and arent making any money.
AF: [Swivels chair toward R, laughs and P laughs with him] She plays pool and
doesnt make too much dough
R:
[Laughs with them]
AF: [Swivels chair back toward P] You're funny! An alternative thinker

P:
Yeah
AF: alternative living

P:
Well, I didnt really choose it! It seems like it happened.
AF: Oh really?
P:
Oh definitely! I was in college and intended to become very responsible.
AF: You tended to?

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P:
I intended to
AF: Intended to get responsible

P:
Yeah, get married and buy a house and be a teacher.
AF: Oh. That's boring!

P:
[Laughs] Right!
AF: Right! But you didnt?

P:
No I didnt.
AF: Instead you

P:
I just kind of fell in love with playing pool
AF: Yeah!
P:
like you would with a person
AF: Fascinating
P:
Well... Anyway thats
AF: You fell in love with playing pool and then the relationship scene? What
happened to that?
P:
With pool?
AF: Well no...

P:
Oh, you mean with humans?
AF: You thought you should get married

P:
Oh yeah, well Im afraid
AF: to a man
P:
that never happened either
AF: No! No!

AF: Men?
P:
I just in general, its notit never seems like its part of my life, really
AF: Right
AF: And is your relationship interest, if that ever happens, is that in the direction
of men
P:
Yeah.
AF: or women or?

P:
Mostly, although I kind of tried the other way too

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AF: Yeah
P:
but it hasnt been a fit either so
AF: It didnt quite work one way or the other

P:
No
AF: Ok. Anything else I should know about your?

P:
Well, Ive had substance abuse issues throughout my life too.
AF: What kind of substances?

P:
Opiates, pain killers, poppies
AF: Aha! And what does that do? It kills pain or it sends you out into a [moves
his head from side to side] waaaaanng or ?
P:
Well, both. It helps you play pool better [laughs], it seemed like.
AF: You get cooler.

P:
Yeah smoother. It calms your nerves.
AF: Calms the nervesSo the opiate was probably a kind of medication in your
case not really a medication obviously but I mean trying to work with
something thats nervous
P:
Definitely.
AF: Is that right?

P:
Definitely.
AF: Hm There's a connection there between the opiate and the panic
probably It's fascinating
P:
Yeah.
AF: It's a smart direction but the addiction isn't good. It's the right direction
somehow how to cool it out you need but the substance abuse is bad for
you.
P:
Right.
AF: Thanks for telling me. Is there anything else?

P:
No, that's pretty much it.
AF: So you can tell Lily afterwards if theres something that you dont want to
have on that tape.
P:
[to R] Well, you said it's pretty confidential anyway, right?

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L:
Yes. Its entirely confidential. There will be no names in the transcripts. The
videotape itself is solely for me. The transcript of the videotape is what will
be part of the thesis, and there will be no names or other identifiable
material in the transcripts.
P:
Yes. Im ok with that.
AF: So, you can be your total self here, thats what Im trying to say. You can be
your total personality [P laughs].
R:
Yes!
AF: Ill forget everything about what you say, but then if theres something youre
shy about just tell Lily so she takes that information out.
L:
Yes, absolutely, and if you change your mind about taking part in the
research after the work is done, you can also tell me then and I wont use
this transcript.
P:
Yeah, I am pretty anonymous in this town, so
AF: Just reiterating that there will be no video showings of this work.
L:
Thats right. No one else will see this videotape except myself.
P:
I did watch you in some videos originally, there used to be a library I

remember watching
AF: Was I on the videotape?

P:
Yes, you were working with some people.
AF: Oh, the cable TV programs that we made! Thats right.

P:
They were great! I really enjoyed them I really dont care if people know
I'm an addict.
AF: Ok. Gottcha. Shall we talk about the panic? Is there anything else you want
me to know ahead of time? You said something about substance abuse,
about playing pool, going the alternative route, your parents are pissed with
you about going that way
P:
Oh, theyre not pissed, but I mean, yes. Well, I am a little disappointed
with myself too about it, so
AF: Oh! Uh huh. You would like a more lucrative lifestyle.

P:
Yeah!
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AF: [Nods] What would you do if you could have that?

P:
I would just buy my own home. I mean, I would really like to have my own
home.
AF: Your own place?

P:
Yeah! I always wanted to have my own house
AF: Nice.
P:
its kind of out of my league completely now
AF: What sort of thing would you do to make money?

P:
Well oh, you mean to buy the home?
AF: Yeah.
P:
Well, I mean, if I could stand it I would go to work 40 hours a week but I just
cant stand it
AF: What would you do 40 hours a week?

P:
Well, Ive never found anything I could stand, anything!
AF: What would you stand 10 hours a week?

P:
Well, I love what I do right now. I love working at libraries and gardening.
AF: Oh!
P:
No, I love my work. I just dont want to do it more than 20 hours a week
AF: Ok.
P:
And you cant make enough to buy a home on 20 hours a week.
AF: I see, yeah Why not work more than 20 hours a week?
P:
Why not? Because I just cant stand it.
AF: Yeah, I hate working too!

P:
I hate working!
AF: I hate working so I dont!

P:
Well, somehow you're working!
AF: Right! That's right, I worked that out. Inside, I worked it out so that while Im
working something isnt working.
P:
Or you can make a lot of money playing.
AF: Playing
P:
Which I tried that with pool but pool is tough to make a lot of money
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AF: Thats fun to talk about though. So, tell me about the panic thing that bugs
you.
P:
Well right now it hasnt been that bad of an issue, but a couple of times in
my life it has been
AF: Its a minor thing

P:
Well, right now its definitely a minor thing.
AF: Great! How come?

P:
Well medication I did take some medication for it.
AF: What are you taking?

P:
I take Zoloft and at night I take Klonopin.
AF: Oh yeah, that calms that down.

P:
Yeah.
AF: So that makes it easier.

P:
Yeah
AF: So, just talking about panic is enough to make anybody a little nervous
P:
Yeah
AF: But maybe you want to say a little something about it, about your panic
states. What were they like? What happened when they did come before
you started taking Zoloft?
P:
Oh, very typical. You just feel like youre losing your mind
AF: Aha!
P:
Fast heart rate and you feel like you need to run to the emergency room.
That youre going to die
AF: Aha
P:
Its just very typical.
AF: AhaThe standard main symptoms

P:
Yeah thats definitely
AF: Thats going to be easy to, thats going to be fun

P:
[Laughs]
AF: the way you described it! Thats how you knew it was there and coming,
feeling going nuts and very speedy heart rate?
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P:
Right and just feel like youre under a big threat. I mean, I feel like [points
at R] we were talking about that. How you just feel like You feel like
youre I dont know, I just feel very threatened
AF: Threatened Mm Yeah by something

P:
Right.
AF: But by who knows what

P:
Yeah.
AF: Exactly! We cant really name it.

P:
Thats whats hard. So, you got nowhere to run and nothing to do, no way to
fix it because
AF: Theres something threatening you

P:
Right, but theres no obvious threat to deal with.
AF: Maybe we can look at both those things, the sense of threat, and also the
first thing you said, is that you feel youre going crazy. And that might be fun
actually! [Moves to the edge of his chair]
P:
[Laughs] To go crazy?
AF: Well, if you could go crazy youre not the type to really go crazy but if
you could really go crazy
P:
Yeah, without fear you mean?
AF: OK, without too much fear,

P:
[laughs]
AF: and you could go really bonkers nuts

P:
[Looks down]
AF: What are you most likely to end up doing in your fantasy? [Takes his eyes
off of P who is still looking down, tilts his head downward and closes his
eyes] If you were to go totally stark raving nuts
P:
[looks up at him, sees him being absorbed in himself and laughs]
AF: [With his eyes still closed] What on earth Would you be sitting in the street
with a funny colored hat on , or would you jump over a bridge, or would you
be dancing naked? What would you do? [Looks up at her]
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P:
Well, I ought to be truthful, the thing that comes to me is that I would

probably kill myself.
AF: Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

P:
That seems to be it.
AF: And how would you do it? With a knife?

P:
Yeah, I picture a knife, for some reason, like I would be stabbing [makes her
right palm into a fist and brings it up to her neck in a stabbing motion] myself
AF: Yeah, great

P:
[Laughs]
AF: and where would you be stabbing yourself? In the neck?

P:
In the head.
AF: In the head!

P:
In my head [touches her forehead with her right hand]or face
AF: Aaaa. AhaHave you ever actually stabbed yourself?

P:
No, but Ive imagined doing it
AF: Yeah!
P:
when I was really mad at myself.
AF: When you were mad at yourself [leans forward in his chair]
P:
Yeah There was a time in my life when I was really mad at myself and
then I would have imagined doing that.
AF: What were you mad about?

P:
My addiction and playing pool.
AF: You would be saying to yourself, I hate my playing pool, I hate my being so
addicted
P:
Yeah, I just hated where my life was at.
AF: And you wanted to kill it and stop it.

P:
Well, I just hated I actually hated God for leading me to those things
AF: Yeah!
P:
So I figured the only way to get revenge on God would be to kill myself.
AF: Yeah Yeah [Tilts his head upward talking to the air] Why did you lead
me into this mess?
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P:
Right!
AF: You were pissed with yourself.

P:
I was more pissed with God, or my soul but
AF: Aha
P:
I mean, I felt kind of sorry for myself but I thought that would be the best
revenge.
AF: I see and if you were dead? Have you ever gone into that state?
P:
Ive tried
AF: Being totally dead?

P:
Well. I dont know
AF: Lets pretend that

P:
Ok
AF: we killed you somehow

P:
[laughs then looks up and to the side]
AF: and that you dont go through all the pain necessarily but that youre actually
just dead
P:
OK [closes her eyes for a second then opens them again] Yeah
AF: Let's imagine that you're really oooonng

P:
[Sits still looking at him]
AF: Like [starts leaning backward in his chair with closed eyes] ooooong
Maybe imagine it
P:
[Looks at him going backward and laughs]
AF: Maybe feel it for a moment Explore it, just being

P:
[She closes her eyes and her upper body begins to lean back on her chair]
AF: Thats right, sit back and.

P
[Leans back more]
AF: Yeah, that is right, close your eyes and [brings a stool in front of her]
P:
[P opens her eyes] It feels like a relief!
AF: Yeah! I bet it does!

P:
Yeah! [laughs] Why?
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AF: Yeah, because the concept of death is terrible but the actual fact, there is
something,..
P:
Relieving.
AF: Fssswh.
AF: So, go ahead and
P
[Leans all the way to the back letting her back rest to the chair]
AF: Im coming closer just so I can see you but Im not going to touch you or
anything
P
[laughs]
AF: I just want to look and see what you are doing [Leans slightly forward]. Just
relax and be relieved
P:
[Closes her eyes]
AF: and just really sit back so to speak.

P:
[Leans her body against the back of the chair].
AF: Yeah! Thats the way, thats itand just imagine being dead and relieved of
the whole damn mess.
P
[Takes a deep breath]
AF: Mm.mm thats right [stops looking at her now and looks down to the
floor instead] and if you can tell me, the first moments are surely relief, and
maybe you even know, relief from something?
P:
Like, relief from just being aware [lifts her head from the chair and opens her
eyes and looks at him]
AF: Yeah!
P:
just like not having to be aware.
AF: Not having to think about anything.

P:
Right or be aware of any just be aware of it I dont know, there seems

like theres a lot of suffering in the world and youre aware of it.
AF: Oh
P:
Not just suffering, you know, problems [Crosses her hands over her
chest]
AF: Yeah, not to have to be aware of suffering and problems. No suffering.

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P:
Right.
AF: Youve had enough suffering.

P:
Right.
AF: Lets forget suffering

P:
Yup [her head leans back on the chair]
AF: I see
AF: Just forget
P
[Smiles and crosses her right leg over her left]
AF: You like that!

P:
Yeah! [laughs] But then after I felt dead for a while I thought, I kind of
missed
AF: Yeah, youd want to come back.

P:
the other parts.
AF: You want to come back into the mess again.

P:
[laughs]. You want to come back to the fun parts.
AF: So part of your panic attack has been about probably the knowledge
that you were trying to go nuts in the positive sense of sitting back and
being done with suffering about everything too much. It doesnt work cause
you want to come back and have some fun again, but, that state is,
whenever you get nervous about something its because youve had too
much pain, too much difficulty. You want to just start over again. Its enough.
P:
Yeah, except when you have panic attacks that's like way worse
AF: Thats right. Its way worse. So lets go back to the other part of the panic
attack which you mentioned, and that is of being threatened.
P:
Right
AF Ok?
P:
Ok.
AF: Now, let's look at that but this is already a big piece of it right there, I think
[turns to R] panic state being about dying, killing herself [turns to P]
possibly
P:
Oh, yeah. I think it was. Later, I realized that it was a lot of that.
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AF: That's a big piece of that I think, of killing yourself there's something useful
in it. It doesn't work but it was an attempt to get away from all the suffering
that you have because you're a very alternative kind of person and not
fitting into everything, it makes a lot of pain and trouble I think.
P:
Yeah, and even other people's, you know, just world suffering or
everybody's suffering.
AF: From everybody, from world's suffering you mean?

P:
Well, my parents too, they've suffered a lot I think
AF: How come?

P:
Oh, I dont know. They just dont know how to have fun.
AF: Aha!
P:
[Laughs!] I guess I'm picking up that part.
AF: Thats right! Your parents don't know how to, aren't having fun.
P:
Definitely.
AF: You need to have some fun!

P:
Yeah, they're almost out of time.
AF: Well, what are they 90? or 80?

P:
80
AF: They still have got a few years to have some fun! Tell em!
P:
I do [laughs] but it doesn't work.
AF: They dont know how to do it.

P:
Right
AF: Right! Right! How to get out of that world of misery and suffering and have
some fun?
P:
Yeah
AF That's like a big thing. Ok! Well, well work on that too, how you could have
more fun. Maybe I'll ask you right now! How could you have more fun?
P:
I do have fun, I just feel guilty a lot about having too much fun.
AF: Playing pool or what?

P:
Anything, I mean I feel like I have I mean my life is actually great right
now, except for my parents, I think I mean it's very easy
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AF: Nice
P:
Yeah, it's nice.
AF: You can have fun.

P:
Definitely
AF: What do you do to have fun?

P:
Oh bike ride and go to the park, I have a dog and I like to hangout with dogs
and I dont know, things like that.
AF: That is beautiful! [Smiles at her] I want you to do that a lot, hanging out with
your dog.
P:
I do that. We take car trips and bike rides, and I just take the dog and go to
the beach so I do plenty of that.
AF: Great! Well, now lets work on the threat.

P:
Ok.
AF: Ok? Lets look at the threat part of things. Now, let's imagine the worst kind
of threat.
P:
Well, it just feels like somebody wants to kill ya [laughs]!
AF: Aha! Oh Aha!

P:
The person that wanted to kill me was me.
AF: Ok! Well weve found that out, yeah.

P:
Right.
AF: But let's go on as if it wasnt, and now we know that it is, but let's go back
and say, Who, what terrible creature do you imagine would want to kill you?
What sort of character? [Looks down for a few seconds and then looks back
at her] A big a monster?
P:
No I feel more like because I had that set of panic attacks in my late
20s where I felt like killing myself, and then it started up again about three
and half years ago from having a heart arrhythmia, and then I did feel like I
was going to die. And then I felt like, my soul was like, that was my lesson
and it was my time to go. Now, I kind of wanted to live
AF: Yeah, yeah

P:
and now I felt like my soul was getting revenge [laughs]

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AF: Right
P:
on me
AF: Aha! Right, but your heart arrhythmia is OK basically?

P:
Yeah, I ended up getting a pacemaker which corrected it, but I still kept
having the panic attacks
AF: Even after that.

P:
Yeah, for a couple of years.
AF: Yeah. That's kind of normal with heart arrhythmias.

P:
That's what I hear.
AF: Yeah, everybody has that.

P:
They do?
AF: Yeah!
P:
Is that because your head, I feel like your subconscious knows you are in
danger or something
AF: I dont know how dangerous it is. It feels really dangerous. And when the
rhythm of your heart starts to go really fast - or how was it, just erratic?
P:
For me it would stop it would just stop.
AF: Yes. Stops and starts, that's enough to give you

P:
Panic attacks!
AF: That's enough to give you a panic attack, and it has to do with your
irregularity of your nature.
P:
[Laughs and nods] Ok!
AF: You're not the standard thing.

P:
Yeah!
AF: Your rhythm is not a steady 20 hours a week. You've got this other rhythm.
P:
Only it would stop.
AF: That's right. Yes. Almost everybody with that particular problem has panic
attacks. I dont know if it is psychological or physiological, they're linked,
those two things
P:
That's what, I get that impression.
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AF: Ok, so this might even help that arrhythmia with or without your pacemaker.
So, something could kill you, you're threatened that life could end, and if you
could imagine yourself walking down the street, or is it at night, and imagine
you're being threatened by the maximum thing What would it be?
P:
It's not so much that it's here, it just feels like maybe my soul [points with her
right hand over her left shoulder] would say "Thats it. It's time to leave and
you are going!" [snaps her fingers]
AF: Aha!
P:
So, it's not the threat of the world as much as.
AF: It's not like a person

P:
It feels like my soul and I are not on good terms.
AF: So your soul is saying, Your time is up kid and that's it!
P:
Right.
AF: Ok! Good.

P:
It has nothing to do with what I want, it's just whatever my
AF: Ok! So the next step is for you to play the soul.
P:
[Laughs]
AF: You have to play your soul [AF gets up and starts walking around] and I'm
going to be you walking around.
P:
[Laughs]
AF: And you can sit there in your chair and relax or you can stand and play your
soul. Would you like to stand and play the soul?
P:
No, I'll sit here.
AF: You just sit there

P:
You're the peon, I guess!
AF: I'm the peon [strolling around in the room]

P:
[Watches AF from her chair]
AF: and you are this great soul. I am P and I'm walking around and I'm going to
play pool and I'm going to do, I'm going to have some fun maybe I know, I
ought to be more responsible -
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P:
No, but I feel like my soul is the one that wanted me to play pool! It wanted
me to
AF: Oh! Aha Tell me soul! Tell me! I didn't know that about you!
P:
Yeah! You were supposed to play pool! [Her voice has changed. It's now
louder and more definitive than it was before]
AF: No kidding! [Louder also]

P:
Yeah! Oh, you know that!
AF: Ah! You mean it was my fate to play pool!

P:
Yes! It was your fate, definitely!
AF: So, what do you want to kill me for?

P:
Well, now I want to kill you cause you learned the lessons now, you're ready
to go.
AF: I'm ready to leave?

P:
Yeah. You're ready to leave.
AF: You wanna to kill me?

P:
I wanna kill you cause now you're not doing anything productive and not
learning anything.
AF: Oh! What do you want me to do that's productive, soul?

P:
[looks down]
AF: Hey, Soul, you're weird!

P
[Laughs]
AF: You wanted me to play pool and I did that and I learned lessons from that
[pacing around]
P:
Right
AF: That's really true. Thank you for teaching me how to play pool thats quite
awesome really
P:
Yeah, but it was more about substance abuse, were the lessons
AF: [Sits down in his chair] The lessons there about the substance abuse, I
really did learn that. Now every now and then you think it's time, you want
to call time on me cause I'm not learning something, or what?
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P:
Yeah. It just feels like nothing more is left to happen in this life, except
getting the folks through old age and then were done.
AF: Aha! Great! Now, if you really were your soul [P laughs] this is a fun
thought, just checking, if you really were your soul would you be sitting do
you think or would you be floating in the air, or.
P:
AF: It could be sitting, just relaxing

P:
I'm not sure [Looks up and to the side]
AF: Aha
P:
Yeah, it seems like I'd be just sitting and relaxing
AF: Ok!
P:
Like when I'm watching you do all the work [laughs]
AF: Just watching me do stuff

P:
[Looks up and to the side]
AF: [Sees her eyes and points to them] Great! [Get's up]
P:
Yeah. I'm kind of experiencing what you do but I'm kind of detached.
AF: Yeah! Totally detached! (Now he's even more certain they're on track).
P:
Yeah
AF: Yes! I see that about you You are a soul which is totally detached
P:
[Laughs] Which, that person [points at AF] gets angry with the detachment
[points to herself]
AF: I get angry about it?

P:
Yeah!
AF: I get angry with you!

P:
Right
AF: Why do I get angry with your detachment? You're so detached soul
P:
Right!
AF: You piss me off!

P:
Right! Yep! And I feel like Ok, as my soul, you cut off the positive from
me.
AF: How do I do it? Give me the lesson? I believe that.

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P:
Well, I definitely cut off by getting high, that cuts it off
AF: Ha! Aha

P:
And then just by being too negative you cut me off.
AF: [Nods]
P:
like you dont trust me.
AF: [Nods]
P:
Yeah. You definitely dont trust me.
AF: [Points his finger in my interpretation of the signal saying something like
"that's is"] I dont trust you!
P:
Definately! [Nods]
AF: You scare me

P:
Yeah!
AF: Yeah I dont trust you.

P:
Right, and then I can't do anything about it. It's up to you to let me in.
AF: Aha! Ok. Lets say [walks back toward his chair] that I am going to be P but
in a new way. I'm going to really let you in
P:
Oooo [head goes back and laughs]
AF: at least for a few minutes.

P:
Ok!
AF: I'll go back to being the P who doesnt

P:
Ok
AF: cause that's important too, but I wanna be the P who just for a minute or two
stops being the ordinary P and sits down [sits in his chair] and actually lets
you in
P:
Oh!
AF: for even just sixty seconds

P:
Ok
AF: If I let you in for 60 seconds, what happens, what are you going to say or do
or? I'd like to let you in.
P:
Right I feel like you would just feel like how much I did love you
AF: Oh [touched]
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R:
Mmmm
P:
and that you keep that out
AF: Oh [Body moves slightly backwards] Really?

P:
Yeah
AF: You really love me? [tone of voice is very tender, like a child] You really love
P?
P:
Yeah, definitely. [Nods]
AF: [Nods moving his head up and down, turns his head slightly to the right and
looks ahead no longer looking at P directly]
P:
I just feel like it's P's problem and that that's part of the lesson to let it in
AF: I didn't know. I'm afraid to let it in

P:
Right, cause with the love comes pain
AF: I'm afraid of being loved. I am afraid of it really.

P:
Yup.
AF: Can I really let your love in? Can I really do it? I want to do it I'd like to do
it
P:
You would?
AF: I would like to do it even for a minute.

P:
[Laughs]
AF: I need to do it. I can't do it all the time, but I want to know, just feel a little bit
[slowly reaches his hand and lightly touches her knee] what is it in there?
[Lightly shakes her knee] How do I get it? Say something to P that lets me
feel it
P:
[Looks up] Boy, that's I cant. It just feels I get It's like P has to just
like [lifts her hands, brings them up in front of her forming a ball and moving
them apart to the sides]
AF: Open up
P:
Yes, somehow let it in
AF: Ok
P:
And it is like a light
AF: [Nods] It's not going to be a word.

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AF: It is a light.
P:
Yeah, definitely a light
AF: Got you Yeah.

P:
But it seems like it will involve you'll feel trust you would feel trust and
now you dont
AF: I see. You will feel OK-ness and trust in what's happening.
P:
[Nods] More trust. Yeah, definitely more trust
AF: Trust in?

P:
In your soul[laughs] that your soul doesnt Like P would think that your
soul really doesnt care what P goes through, it's just what the soul needs
you to go through. But that your soul does care
AF: Imagine that your soul could Did you want to say something?
P:
No I am just relaxing
AF: Relaxing! Imagine your soul does care, and imagine that your soul can it
is in you of course- but pretend that it does enter you now
P:
Right
AF: [stretches his arm out in front and moves it up and down pointing to her
body] somewhere It's everywhere of course,
P:
Right
AF: it's around you but that you could open up so that it could come in more,
where would it go mostly do you think?
P:
Oh mostly in my chest [right hand touches the area of her heart]
AF: In your chest! Can you show that with your hand where?
P:
Just in the whole trunk of my [hands point to all of the trunk]
AF: Chest
P:
Yeah[Hands go to the center of the chest]
AF: It entered right there. [Points to the place on her chest that her hand
touched spontaneously when he first asked the question] That's where it
entered.
P:
Yeah I can experience it the most there.
AF: So imagine also for the moment that light goes in there
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P:
RightYeah, I can do that. [Head leans back]
AF: You can do that?

P:
Yeah
P:
[Looks up then to the right]
P:
See, I'm already jumping to the negative though [points to her right, over her
shoulder]
AF: Yeah? That's OK too. We'll go with that too in a minute but just for the
moment stay with that light.
P:
All right [Head leans back and eyes look up and after 15 seconds head
turns to the left]
P:
It's hard for me to really experience it on the spot..
AF: You did for a little bit, didn't you?

P:
Yeah, I mean, I can for
AF: A minute.
P:
Yeah
AF: What was that like?

P:
Kind of like that dream-like thing that you talk about, where you're just
before you think anything you're
AF: Before you think there's this dreamlike something

P:
Yeah, there's this kind of feeling of being I guess.
AF: Feeling of beingThat's the deepest thing

P:
Yeah
AF: that you could feel

P:
Yeah
AF: and I understand that it's hard to stay with that.

P:
Right, yes, just like meditating, you know, you keep
AF: That's something you may want to go back to, now and then, just feeling
opening up to that light, and maybe it's good that actually Lily is here, she
can write that up, that's something that you want to develop slowly, in time.
And you will anyhow, because your soul will make you do that!
P:
I know! [Burst into laughter] But see, I feel like nuts at the same time!
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AF: Yeah, right! What was the negative thing that you wanted to?
P:
Well, it feels like to be your soul and to extend that light, the amount of
suffering that you have to become aware of to be opened up
AF: How so?

P:
It's like if you stay detached then you dont really care very much so then
you dont feel pain, and then when you
AF: The soul is detached though too.

P:
Yeah
AF: It is kind of detached. It's a kind of warmth that comes out of you.
P:
Right, but it doesnt have to be so focused on the pain.
AF: Yeah!
P:
Yeah
AF: This is the big thing. You dont have to focus on pain. It's just sort of a
warmth and a light that knows. If you have a soul that has light in it, it means
something about you is an enlightener of others. You have an enlightening
pattern inside of you.
P:
Well, everybody has a soul, so
AF: Everybody does has a soul but not everybodys soul is typified by light the
way that you just talked about it, and so you are a light 'bringer'.
P:
[Smiles] Well
AF: Something for you to think about. Maybe your profession is bringing light in
some way. It can be just being there for somebody.
P:
Um hum I think that's probably true, I mean, I already can see that in my
life. Yeah
AF: Yeah light You're somebody that under other circumstances, if you had
just arrived here like that and talked to me and had said to me, 'What do you
think I should be doing with my life?' I'd have said that what you're doing is
just fine, but you should also consider the possibility of actually helping
other people as a therapist.
P:
Yeah
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AF: No kidding. You dont have to do it, and you dont have to do it in a formal
way, but it's inside of you.
P:
Well, that's what I mean. I feel like all my friends and that, I feel like I kind of
do that.
AF: [turns to R smiling pointing at P]

P:
[Smiles] Yeah! You're not telling me Yeah! That I already know!
AF: That's you! That's your soul at work!

P:
Yeah! [Smiles]
AF: That's the soul work that you're doing!

P:
Ok! Well, I gotta just get along with my soul better myself!
AF: Yeah! Just open up to it a little bit more.

P:
Right
AF: That's a big life long task.

P:
I know
AF: Otherwise it wants to kill you. It gets pissed with you and says To hell with
P, lets get her croaked out quick!
P:
Well, I just fear the lessons that you might, my soul might have for me
AF: What other lesson? You just heard it. It's light and openness
P:
Yeah but panic attacks was a lesson too and that was definitely darkness.
AF: I think the panic attack was about just opening up to the soul and believing
in it; that it's there. Even behind all that heart trouble you're somebody
who just has a lot of light and the heart, the weird heart rhythms they're just
trying to say, theyre trying to upset your regular mind so that you know
more that there is a spiritual thing in you.
P:
Oh
AF: You can't get around it. I wish I didnt have to say that to you.
P:
[Laughs] I know you can't get around it!
AF: Anything else you want to ask or talk about.

P:
No I mean I feel like that's a lot of.. I mean I kind of already know, I have
worked with it a lot
AF: You know that about yourself

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P:
Yeah, it's just when you're in the suffering it feels pointless, you know
AF: MmThen just sit back into that detached thing and the light will come or
people or something You dont have to actually do anything. Just being
P:
Really? [Big sigh]
AF: Yeah, nothing!

P:
Is that right?
AF: Yeah. [Loud voice] Dont do anything. That's too much work.
P:
When people are suffering?
AF: Yeah, just sit back and let your soul look at them.
P:
[Nods and smiles] Well I have kind of learned because I do the 12 step
and the big thing is like turning it over to your
AF: Higher self.

P:
Yeah, instead of like trying to go in and fix things
AF: Dont fix anything Just sit back

P:
[Laughs] It's very relieving very relieving
AF: Dont forget the soul is sitting back [AF leans back in the chair and fold arms
in front of the chest] sort of detached, beaming away in there, and that's
what people need!
P:
Yeah [big smile and nodding of the head up and down]
AF: The problems are all I dont know

P:
I know, you focus on fixing the problem. Yeah
AF: Fixing them I dont know See, I dont know if anybody needs too much
fixing I think they need something weird and other worldly
P:
Right
AF: and detached and some light beams or something like that.
P:
Yeah! I agree! [Smiles]
AF: [to R] If you were to ask me what's the chance that panic attacks would be
something of the past for P with or without medication, I'd say she's almost
certain not to have them.
P:
Well, I dont know about that! [Laughs]
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AF: That would be my prognosis because of what she just said, because she's
so open to that soul part of herself really, even though she's not
P:
Ha! [Laughs]
AF: You are!

P:
[Nods]
AF: I do think so. And I think you've been trying to get there with all sorts of
other things
P:
Um hum
AF: You' got a spiritual trip happening under there even though you're shy about
it.
P:
[Nods] Yeah
AF: I can see it in you too. I dont even have to work with you to say that. I can
just see that.
P:
Well, I think everybody has it.
AF: That's true, that's also true, but some have it more than others.
P:
Well [Laughs]
AF: [to P] I want to bring Lily in too.[To R] Do you have any thoughts or
questions?
R:
Well, I was sitting here feeling touched and also I think almost peaceful.
I was feeling peacefulness And then you said something toward the end
that made me think about myself
AF: What was that?

R:
You said something about opening up to something in you thats not you
doing things but something else
AF: Oh! That's a big thing for her. Thank you for bringing that up.
R:
Letting something else guide your life
AF: Yeah, letting yourself die in the positive sense of just taking it easy, letting
go. There's too much pain, to hell with it! Who knows what to do?
P:
[Watching AF]
AF: And then waiting and letting this other part of you, the soul come in, just not
trying to do anything.
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P:
Well, then now I can ask you something. [To R] Is that alright?
R:
Yeah!
AF: Yeah.
P:
See, I'm kind of into animal rights and that's a huge thing but I struggle to
not eat meat so this is this huge struggle, and then I think if it's this big a
struggle I must not be ready yet
AF Not to eat meat?

P:
Yeah like to not eat meat and yet it's like an addiction, it's the same thing
where
AF: Animal rights What kinds of animal rights would you like?
P:
Oh, just to
AF: dont kill?

P:
Just the factory farming and the science testing
AF: All animals? Fish too?

P:
Oh, you mean to not eat?
AF: [Nods]
P:
Well, I mean I think they all have validity so and I'm not even against
eating animals because animals eat other animals but the way that we treat
animals and the way they're raised and
AF: Yes
P:
I just would like to be stronger in that area and I feel like my own desire
overrides so
AF: You mean eating meat? Eating meat is ok, no?

P:
It doesn't feel ok.
AF: Aha! Well, animals do eat animals and animals die

P:
I know but the way they're raised in factory farming is awful and I feel like by
eating meat I'm contributing to that industryI guess that's what I'm
saying
AF: Aha!
P:
like getting a pacemaker is contributing to them testing on animals.
AF: Getting a pacemaker is contributing?

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P:
Yeah because you know, I mean just a lot of developments in science come
from testing animals and you feel like you're benefiting from it Anyway,
that's just a I dont know how we got to this!
AF: We got to this becauseyou

P:
Oh! It's a problem that I fight, yeah, and I wondered, can I just [makes a
motion with her hands as if giving something to someone else] turn it over
[big smile] and follow my I dont trust myself with it
AF: I just want to tell you that I am touched that you're interested in that, in
animal rights.
P:
Well yeah, but it's
AF: That's the spiritual thing thats right back there! Even if you can't be perfect
in your own behavior
P:
Right! That's the issue!
AF: The fact that you're trying

P:
Right and that's what I just thought
AF: struggling
P:
if I am struggling, it's kind of like meditation, if you're struggling to meditate

maybe you're not ready to
AF: What I suggest you doing with that is that every time you're about ready to
sit down and order meat or buy some meat that you ask the meat Some
meat would like to be eaten!
P:
Well, I do think that some animals probably chose to come here to be eaten,
it's just participating in the industry
AF: So you have to talk to the meat, say Am I hurting you and your friends by
doing this?
P:
And they say yes and then I might still eat it.
AF: If they say yes, you should eat one bite less
P:
Well I got at least to where I just eat every other night.
AF: That's it!

P:
That's as good as I can get to.
AF: Thats good already, you see, your effort..

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P:
Right, I know
AF: I dont know if you know about Buddhism

P:
Well, yeah
AF: The right effort is important. The intent is the big thing. That touches
everybody. Not just the act, it's the intent, it's not just the doing but it's the
light in back of the doing.
P:
But then what do you do when you feel you didn't do it?
AF: Your intent to try to stop is beautiful

P:
Ok
AF: That you must just hold onto. Stay with that. Sometimes you're going to fail
but the intent is the big thing. That's what that soul thing is.
P:
Thats where I felt like I just want to turn it over to my soul and not struggle
with it daily.
AF: Let's turn it over to the soul! What would it do?

P:
Huh?
AF: Lets turn it over to the soul.

P:
That's kind of what I have been doing more
AF: And more and more. Just say I dont know what to do, let the soul handle
this.
P:
Right. Like the suffering, even if I do quit eating meat there's going to be a
ton of suffering so I can't fix the whole problem
AF: [points his finger as if saying "that's it"]

P:
Yeah
AF: But the soul is about intent, detached from the everyday things. Intent is the
big thing. If everybody had your intent
P:
Yeah
AF: Just the intent... For example, I've been changed by the conversation. I
never wanted to eat meat but now when I see somebody else ordering meat
I'll ask a question about it.
P:
You will?
AF: Yes!
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P:
What will you ask them?
AF: Remember, that's a living being. Have you talked to your food before you
eat it?
P:
Well I thank it. That's another thing, at least when I eat it I thank it.
AF: Turn it over to the soul.

P:
Ok [laughs]
AF: Dont suffer about it.

P:
Yes, that's the part that isnt doing me any good.
AF: That's right.

P:
Alright!
AF: [To P] Do you have any questions? [To R] Or do you have any more
thoughts? Has this been helpful to you?
R:
Yes! Thank you both!
P:
It didn't feel that much about panic.
L:
It was!
AF: Well, the panic part is about being destroyed so that you fall back onto your
soul!
P:
Oh! Ok!
AF: You have to see that [points to the camera]. That's why I am saying, Let it
go. Go back to your soul. Otherwise, if you get too tied up with the actual
suffering, the soul gets pissed cause you're not getting the point that it's me
(the soul) that counts. Let go and [makes the sign of quotes in the air] "die."
Relax and die. You get too like that [brings his hands in front of him and
clenches his fingers in tension] about something,
P:
Right [nods]
AF: you work too much.

P:
[Burst out in laughter] Ok!
R:
[To AF & P] Thank you
P:
[To R] Thank you! [To AF] Great to meet you!
AF: Oh! What a pleasure! You're a lot of fun!

P:
[Smiles] I admire your work.

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AF: Oh Yeah Just let yourself die once a day, that's my recipe for you!
P:
It is?! [Laughs] Ok!
AF: Kill yourself," so to speak [makes motions of quotes in the air] in a nice
way.
P:
Ok!
AF: Just [Takes a big breath and exhales] fseeeew [stays quiet for a few
seconds] Talk to your soul.
P:
[Nods]
AF: Let it in
P:
[Nods]
AF: It'll do it.

P:
Ok [Smiles widely and nods]
AF: It will do what you need.

[Both AF and P look at R smiling]
AF: [To R] Wow, that was fun Lily! Thank you for bringing P in. [To P] Once a
day, I give up to some higher power.
P:
Yeah, definitely!
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P:
[Looks around] Where do you want me?
A:
You can sit anywhere you like
P:
[Goes to the chair that's in the corner and brings it more to the center of the
room and sits down]
AF: [Follows her and sits on the chair that was in the other corner pulling it out of
its corner closer to hers]
AF: We're sitting in chairs! I fell in love with sitting on the floor years ago
P:
You fell in love with sitting on the floor?
AF: All my colleagues were having backaches from sitting in chairs so I started
sitting on the floor and I never had any backache!
P:
I know! I usually sit on the floor in my home.
AF: [To R] You want to say something about how you know one another?
R:
I met Tina (pseudonym) through Sally (pseudonym)
AF: Through Sally?

L:
They work together in the same place
AF: Oh, you're working as a therapist there?

P:
No. She's working as a therapist, not me. I'm just a manager of a couple of
programs (details deleted for confidentiality).
AF: Wonderful!
P:
It's a nice place to work.
L:
Sally told her about the research that I'm doing on panic attacks and she
was interested in coming.
P:
Um hum [Smiles at R]
AF: And has panic attacks or has had

P:
Oh yes! Has had them, many of them [laughs]
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AF: [To R] Ok. So we'll work on that for a little bit and maybe we'll talk about it
afterwards with you for a little bit. [To P] So, tell me, you work with Sally
doing this good work there. How long have you been doing that?
P:
In the agency for almost 5 years. I've been in States for 6 years almost in
November will be 6 years
AF: How is that transition for you?

P:
[Looks up and to the side] See, it was somehow Ok. Easy. I didn't set up
high expectations. You know, I knew that I was coming over here not
knowing any people here, no friends, no relatives, nobody, no English. I
came with my ex-husband and my son who was 7 at the time, and I
desperately wanted to get out of (a war torn country).
AF: Yeah, really

P:
So I was ready to work all those, you know, entry level jobs whatever it
takes, just to get out of the country because that community, you know, the
beliefs in community are really killing me. My panic attacks started over
there.
AF: Their beliefs in community you said?

P:
Yeah, the beliefs in community actually its something that I just couldnt find
myself. You know, in first place you have to put other people then yourself.
You know, to satisfy others and then think about yourself.
AF [Nods]
P:
So it didnt work with me. My first panic attack started in 91, I would say. My
son was born in 90 and after that I started having those chest pains [her left
hand touches her chest] and didn't know what it was. At the time I lived with
my husband. A new marriage and a child came, I wasnt ready for that, and
first disappointments in marriage and then I lived in a huge house with his
parents
AF: Ooo
P:
and it wasnt something that I wanted but to be honest the reason that I got
married so quickly was just to [snaps her finger] get out of my house and my
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mom because she was pretty much demanding and having all these
different beliefs different value systems than mine.
AF: What was her value system?
P:
Oh you know, you gotta gain weight, and you gotta gain some money, and
you gotta be a good wife
AF: Um hum [nods]

P:
and you gotta cook well
AF: Standard
P:
Yeah, and I actually started my college and I didnt pass my final exam in
the first year so I couldnt move on to the second year.
AF: In?
P:
In (region of her country), in (city).
AF: You're from (city)?

P:
No, I'm not. I'm actually around (city) area but I went to college in (city).
Well, that was first escape from parents and so I was, Oh well, school, Ill
study tonight. I'll study on Monday! That's why probably, you know [laughs]
I failed the final exams. But anyway, there was a huge fight when I came
home, and parents didnt want to talk to me, didn't let me go out
AF: Um hum
P:
so for 3 months was a terrible situation in the house
AF: Ugh
P:
and I was most unhappy person [big sigh, looks down]... this was not where
that I wanted to be. And I met him, and my parents liked his family [looks at
R] so that is how it started. And they would let me go out with him just
hoping that I would get married to him, and I did I didnt think at that time
about it. I was twenty. I was twenty year old and he was thirty
AF: Right, right, right

P:
And the first disappointment started in marriage, and then I got pregnant
and I was kind of hoping I wouldn't get pregnant, you know, [looks at R] that
we would have a life together for year or two and then have a child but Oh
well, it happened And then I started having those chest pains
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AF: Oh
P:
and I saw a doctor who told me that the chest pain is not caused by any
physical reasons. She told me that it might be, you know, she did not use
words anxiety or panic attacks, she was like It is your life. You have to
change it. You have to move out from your in-laws and so on. And it was
very nice what she told me.
AF: Wow! Where did you see this doctor?

P:
Back home! In 91
AF: In (city)?
P:
Yeah
AF: Oh my god, good for her!

P:
She was a very good doctor.
AF: My god, wonderful. Good for her.

P:
She probably talked from her experience.
AF: Aha!
P:
So we moved out and rented a house. It was OK but of course I was not
happy in my marriage, anyways, I didnt know how to work it out really and
neither did he.
AF: Yeah
P:
No one of us cared. It was killed at the very beginning. So, when the war
started we immigrated to (region of her country), to (city) [big sigh] and then
I realized that I cannot only on his job and I had to start my own. My son
was 2 years old when we moved to (city) in 92. I was 23
R:
Mm
AF: Oh my god
P:
and he was 33. I just noticed that its not going to work well. He kept saying
You got to stay at home with the child and I'll make money to cover the
monthly expenses.
AF: How was he going to do that? What does he do?
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P:
He was working with his friends in some export-import private business but
it did not bring lots of money during that time. It was a recession time [looks
at R]
R:
Mm
AF: Horrible times.

P:
Horrible, horrible times in (city). So I decided to look for a job. I didnt get his
support at that time. He said that if I wanted to do that I'll have to take care
of our son and how to get him to kindergarten and all that stuff. So I said
OK. I'm going to work, have a job but I'll also be the one to take care of our
son. If you dont want to, it's fine. So, it somehow worked. It was pretty
much tense for me to get from one side of town to the other side of town in
time, because I was working on the other side of town. It was like traveling
from Hillsboro to Portland [looks at R]
R:
Um hum
P:
an hour bus ride. I had to leave my son at kindergarten in the morning and
pick him up at 5 oclock and I finished work at 4 oclock so it was very tense.
But he gets home at 3 oclock and he doesn't go to pick up our child, you
know.
AF: Oh?
P:
It's my I wanted to work. He was, "You go pick up the child. I dont care.
Thats your job.
AF: You go and you pick up the kid. [Uses the same tone of voice that P used
when she was talking as her ex-husband] So you did that.
P:
Yeah, I did because I said, "Well, I can do that. Other people do that." But
later on I started my own business and he finally learned. Yeah, by that time
there was a huge fight and this and that It was a horrible time for me and
then I started my own business.
AF: Hm! What were you doing?

P:
Real estate and rental agency and employment agency.
AF: [Moves his head from side to side in admiration]

P:
So, it was very good.

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AF: Um hum!
P:
I learned a lot and we moved into a bigger place so I had a room for an
office and then when I got settled down the panic attacks started.
AF: Aha! After your business started to work you found an office, you started
settling down and then your panic starts?
P:
Every time.
AF: Every time what?

P:
Every time my panic attacks would come not when I was going through
AF: tense times! No!

P:
changes
AF: Not at all!

P:
but later on
AF: Later, after settling down!

P:
Yeah.
AF: I see! [Laughs]

P:
And I remember ending up in the emergency room by myself, using the bus
[looks at R] to get to there
R:
Ugh
P:
But there was a doctor, a young lady
AF: Same thing with the heart?

P:
Its a chest pain. It starts like [makes her right palm into a fist and begins to
move it toward and away from her chest showing a heart palpitation] that,
the heart pounding very fast and I feel very hyper at the very beginning,
very, very hyper. I can do anything that you want me to do. My friends tell
me that my face changes completely. They say that they could see there is
something going on. It's like eyes are different, face is different and I'm very
hyper. I notice it, like it starts today and I feel like, you know [looks at R] like
when women feel like they're PMSing, they're a little bit like [moves her
hand rapidly back and forth], they feel so hyper. The second day its more
chest pain gets stronger
AF: It's going on for days! How many days?

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P:
[Exhales from the mouth with a big sigh, looks up and to the side]
AF: Wow
P:
Usually two or three days.
AF: A couple of days.

P:
If it comes to the third day that's the day that I end up in emergency
AF: Wow that's a long (state?)

P:
and then it takes me 4 or 5 days to recover.
AF: I'll betYeah What do they give you then when you go to the emergency
room? Do they do anything or do they just give you tranquilizers?
P:
In Belgrade they didnt give me anything. There was a very rude doctor who
said, You're too young to have heart disease. This is not heart! She sent
me to see a neuro psychiatrist? How you guys call it?
AF: Yeah, exactly.

P:
I didnt see reason to send me there, maybe you do, everything goes
absolutely OK. She was pretty much rude but I spent 5 days in bed
AF: In bed?
P:
I just couldnt move, I was so tired
AF: I see, I see. Afterwards you're exhausted, yeah.

P:
Afterwards I felt so exhausted and I was wondering how people recover

after heart attacks. It was terrible. A friend of mine worked with American
doctors in Belgrade and she told them what I went through and they told her
that Xanax was the right medicine for me, so she brought me some.
AF: Did it help?

P:
That did help. I was on Xanax here too
AF: Xanax helps. Ok.

P:
It helped over there but I remember that for 5 days I was barely moving,
talking, walking, low energy completely.
AF: And you get that here too?

P:
Yeah.
AF: How often?

P:
It was 2001, every few months

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AF: Every few months

P:
Yeah. And then I had to start counseling because it really was something
that comes back.
AF: Did it help?

P:
Well, that was a family counselor. It didnt help.
AF: So right now are you in a relationship? What is your family scene? You have
a son?
P:
[Exhales from mouth, big sigh]
AF: Sorry to ask

P:
No, no. It is hard to explain. Right now, I'm on my own. Alone. My son
moved to live with his father in another city in the United States.
AF: Great. I just wanted to know.

P:
But it happened recently. I just told Lily in the waiting room, its very
interesting that I didnt have panic attack this summer, so many changes
happened, my son left
AF: No panic attack when lots of outer changes.

P:
Yeah, so probably very soon its going to happen,.
AF: No! I think, rather, the more changes that happen, and the more you're in
the midst of doing a thousand things, the better!
P:
Yeah I know but when I settle down
AF: Yeah! You're very creative! Settling is maybe not yet for you.
P:
[Nods]
AF: You'll be settled down later. That's an old family myth that people should be
settled down.
P:
They should not.
AF: It doesnt work for...

P:
Obviously, it doesnt work for me.
AF [Laughs]
P:
I get panic attacks when that happens. [Loud voice]
AF: Yeah! You hate it!
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P:
My school started, I broke up my relationship, almost two years together,

and I moved to a new place, and you know, so many changes, so many
AF: Ok! I think I see. [Voice is loud and speaks quickly] Let's, let's think about
how to work on it. One possibility is, listening to how you described your
panic attacks and the first stages of it, if I understand you correctly, are that
you are hyper.
P:
Yes.
AF: Is that more or less right?

P:
It is more right than less. It is.
AF: A ha.
P:
I feel hyper, the first day
AF: Mmm
P:
Then it comes to feeling fatigue, you know, tired and exhausted
AF: Mmm
P:
But the pain is terrible The pain is terrible and this area [her right palm
touches her throat and chest] is so dry and my breathing, the breathing its
like short breaths
AF: OK, I understand. So [reaches to his side and picks up a stuffed animal that
looks like a monkey] let's say I'm going to explain to you what I'm going to
do before I do it, and also [to R] for Lily too I want to say Tina [turns to P] is
that how you pronounce your name?
P:
Yes [smiles]
AF: [To R] Tina is describing her somatic symptoms so well that I want to make
it easier
AF: [To P] for you
AF: [To R] for her and take those symptoms off her body.
AF: [To P] I'm going to pretend that this animal has similar experiences
AF: [To R] and ask her to fantasize into that
AF: [To P] to make it easier on you.
P:
[Nods]
AF: You can be a kid for a moment

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P:
[Smiles]
AF: [Holds monkey up in the air across from P] and look at this funny animal
[makes monkey sit on his knee]. This animal has been working very hard
and doing all sorts of things.
P:
[Sighs]
AF: Imagine that. Ok?

P:
[Looks at monkey and smiles]
AF: It works and does all these things [AF moves the animal closer to his face
and takes a good look at it] Well, you look much nicer than this animal but
let's
P:
[Laughs] Thank you!
AF: [Laughs]
R:
[Laughs]
AF: He's doing his things, doing lots of things and then suddenly, he's been
doing lots of things and now the animal decides, Ah! Now, finally I can
settle down, and lay back [makes the animal lean back on him] and take it
easy! OK?
P:
[Nods]
AF: Animal has been working hard and now she puts he feet up and takes it
easy. "AhhhNow at last I can re-ee-lax
P:
[Smiles]
AF: and sits back, right?

P:
[Nods]
AF: it's been a busy life, folds her or his arms and sits there like that, and after a
few minutes let's say, or maybe a couple of weeks of settling down, right?
P:
[Nods]
AF: How does it go? What happens to that animal? [AF hold animal in front of
him, reaching forward, giving it to her] Show me what happens with that
animal.
P:
[She takes it and puts it on her knee]
AF: [Brings his chair closer ]

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P:
[Folds the animal's hands over its chest] It is exactly it is like that [folds
animal's arms] in the morning having to go, and then [pulls animals back
leaning on her tummy] "No! Relax" then [brings animal forward again and
crosses its arms] having to stand up and walk and come back
AF: Why? [Playful tone] Why is that happening to the animal?

P:
I dont know. It's interesting!
AF: [Reaches over, takes the animal] OK. It sits like that [makes the animal lean
against his tummy], just like you showed, "Ok, now take it easy and have
a good time."
P:
Um hum [Moves her head from side to side]
AF: [Points at her head] Aha! Youre already shaking your head!
P:
[Smiles, keeps shaking her head from side to side, closes her eyes, puts her
left hand on her nose, tilts her head downward] Well, it's so true that when I
come to the relaxing stage and there's nothing to do then I'm definitely
nervous Its not my life!
AF: No! [Very loud!] No! I'll be your inner self talking to the doll. Hey! This is not
your life! This is not who you are. You cant just sit back like that
P:
[Shakes her head from side to side]
AF: and take it easy. Youve got a lot of energy to do something big! No, I
want to take it easy! [In a stubborn little kids voice and totally absorbed in
the role play]
P:
[Nods]
AF: No! You got to, come on, you gotta get moving! I dont want to move! Let
me just settle down.
P:
[Nods more noticeably now]
AF: [Looks up and sees her nodding] Right?

P:
[Nods looking at him]
AF: Ive been working so hard Listen! A woman has a lot of things to do, doing
this and that and now we can just sit down and take it easy! Ahhhh
P:
Exactly!
AF: Isn't that it? No! Hey you have got stuff to do!
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P:
Um hum
AF: Thats the problem!

P:
[Nods]
AF: Ok! Now weve got to figure out what that thing is. Youve got a big thing to
do with your life, I think
P:
[Nods]
AF: and its trying to move you. [Turns to the doll] It's trying to move you! I dont
want a big thing! I want to settle down now and then!
P:
[Nods and looks at AF]
AF: But you're too creative. Thats another kind of life you're being told to live.
Your mothers life. A normal life."
P:
[Nods]
AF: [Makes the doll throw a tantrum] "Aaaagrrrrrrr [Looks at P] Right?

P:
Yeah. That's exactly, that's in my head.
AF: [Laughs] What's in your head?

P:
[Growls!] Ggrrrrrrr
AF: Yeah! Grrrrrrr

P:
I feel like I really can live my life [extends her right hand out to the side,
palm facing the ceiling] but [extends her left hand, palm facing the ceiling]
this community, here is those ground messages.
AF: [Puts down the doll] Right, right, right! You started to say ggrrrrrr!
Underneath there is a fighter in you.
P:
Especially my mother is right now here
AF: Oh no!
P:
it was much better when she was back there
AF: You take one look at your mom and you say grrrrrrr
P:
Yeah, she's the only person who makes me upset.
AF [Nods]
P:
Yeah, she's the one that I that I don't have a successful relationship
with
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AF: OK, well we'll work that out in a few minutes but first lets pretend that your
mom was here and we can play with this, it's serious but we dont have to
make it so seriousYour mom is here and underneath there is a grrrrrrr! I'd
like to hear what that grrrrrrr is about and I'd like to know that part of you
better, the part that is going grrrrrrr.
P:
[Leans back in her chair and sighs] Toward my mom?
AF: Towards your mom and I'd like to know more about this [makes his hands
into fists that pulsate] excited, frustrated, angry energy in you!
P:
[Stays still, leaning back on her chair]
AF: Because I like it and I think it is important [loud voice, excited]

P:
You know, I actually have told her this but of course the way how she thinks
is different than mine and it doesnt come to her, it doesn't get to her. When
I was trying to tell her to just please accept me the way I am, and dont
blame me
AF [Nods]
P:
for what I am doing, dont hate me or give me a feeling of guilty for my

divorce she doesnt like that idea at all, and she doesnt like the idea of me
living alone
AF: I'll be your mother and I'll say something like, How can you " I don't
believe this but let me just say it to you, How can you get divorced?
P:
Absolutely
AF: "You should lead a normal life!"

P:
Yeah. I think that she came here to the States to influence me to get back
with Tom (pseudonym).
AF: What would you say? "You should live a normal life!"
P:
Yeah, I see the way how I live is very normal and I'm pretty much happy
how I live, and I came to a point, I live life for me not for to satisfy the
measurements of the community or somebody else .
AF: That's good. Now what does that really mean to live your rhythm in your
life? I think this is perfect.
P:
So are you being my mom now or

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AF: Just you.

P:
No, no. The question is from mom or you?
AF: From Arny. This is from me.

P:
Ok Arny
AF: What does it really mean to live your life with your rhythm? If you could
really do, and were really free [makes a circular motion with his hands in
front of her] of all that stuff that you picked up from your childhood and
[makes a motion of pushing something to the right] put it aside, and you
could really just "tsooot" [makes a quick motion with his hands up in front of
his face, palms facing her, fingers of each palm touching tips and then
suddenly opening up] what would you do?
P:
I'm learning
AF: A learner [Nods]

P:
Just learning and living it
AF: Learning did you say?

P:
Learning to live it.
AF: [Nods]
P:
I think, you know there were so many changes that I completely lost the
clear idea of what actually I am enjoying doing with my life day.
AF: Oh, I see

P:
Recently I was like, I noticed myself that I am very calm when I am cooking,
for example, when I am reading [her cell phone rings] I gotta turn that
thing off, I'm sorry, [gets up and gets her bag and cell phone out of it] and I
noticed that I was really calm when I'm doing all that everyday stuff, and I'm
not sweating the small stuff, this and that but also it comes to a situation that
I get upset, not upset, anxious about no apparent reason.
AF: Oh I seeOk, so
P:
Am I misleading you here, the answer to your question?
AF: Not at all, not at all. No, I'm going to go

P:
[sighs]
AF: one little tiny step deeper into that

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P:
[Nods]
AF: if this is OK for you, let's see if it is. Can you make this [brings his hands up
to his chest, clenching his fists] motion or something like that at the
beginning of your panic attack, and exaggerate it just a very little bit
playfully? The first motions and feelings?
P:
[Inhales and looks up while staying still]
AF: Is it something like this? I'll do it for you.

P:
[Leans back on her chair] Yeah.
AF: [Brings his hands in front of his chest, tightens his fists, and shakes them
along with his head] Aaaabrrrrr Hyper [hyperventilates with his tongue
outside of his mouth]
P:
Yeah.
AF: Is it?
P:
Yeah, close to that and then I feel like smoking more [looks at R] and having
more coffee
AF: Can you make those motions just for a moment but playfully?
P:
I I Oh my gosh, I'm not sure if I'm good with that
AF: You dont have to.

P:
[Her hands begin to move up and down] Usually it's very moving. [She sits
up at the edge of her chair] I cannot sit still, all the time it's feeling hot,
taking jackets off [makes motion of taking off her jacket, then her hands go
down to her legs and she rubs her legs] and it's it's [and then her hands
go up close to her chest and they are now moving very fast from side to
side] that way.
AF: What did you do with your hands? Do that again. It was great what you did
with your hands.
P:
What? This? [Makes the motion that she did when she rubbed her legs]
AF: And then you went like [he lifts his arms in front of his chest]
P:
[She brings hers in front of her chest and repeats the shaking her hands
movement] What? This? [Laughs loudly] Yeah! That is exactly how I feel!
[Sits back and crosses her legs]
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AF: Do that again please?

P:
[Brings her hands up and repeats movement, laughs and looks at R]
AF: That is so good. That's important

P:
Is it?
AF: Yeah! Do that again now as a kid and explore it. What is this?
P:
[Repeats the movement and while doing it starts talking] Um it's how I
sometimes explain to to when I'm not able to explain how I feel I usually
go like this.
AF: [Does the same motion] And what is that? Let's do that together, how do
you do that?
P:
[laughs and looks at R]
R:
[Does the motion]
P:
[Laughs] She's doing good!
AF: She does it with her whole head but you did it mainly with your hands
[Moves his hands the way that she does]
P:
Yeah, with hands [does the motion again] and usually with closing my eyes.
AF: If you do that, what does thatAm I mimicking you correctly?

P:
I think you are.
AF: What is it that I'm saying to you, or implying to you when I do that?
P:
Yeah. People, leave me alone [Laughs]
AF: [Points at her, like saying "that's it"]

P:
[With her hands still up in front of her] That's the first thing [moves her head
up and down, nodding] that I'm implying when I do thisIt's like you
know
AF: [Makes same motion] Leave me alone!

P:
Just leave me alone, yeah.
AF: Leave me alone, so, that's really good. I think that's really important, so
leave me alone. Ok, so who do you imagine, or what do you imagine is
bugging you that you would like them or it to leave you alone? [Repeats
movement of hands and whispers] Leave me alone.
P:
Bugging me are rulesas I said beliefs around things

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AF: Rules and beliefs What kinds of rules? [Repeats movement of hands and
whispers] Leave me alone.
P:
You know, the rules that, Yes, Tina you have to call your mom once a day
and talk to her
AF: There it is
P:
You gotta do this and that
AF: Yeah, there it is. That's it.

P:
I just cannotYou know what I am doing right now is Lets call my mom, be
patient for 10 minutes, dont get in any disagreements with her and get this
off my shoulders and move on with your day." That's how I do it.
AF: Ok. I got you.

P:
[Sighs] So, I dont enjoy the conversation
AF: [Laughs]
P:
and I dont think she does because it's so different than, but
AF: Ok. That's great. That's helpful. So, I think there is a psychological origin to
these panic attacks well, there may also be physical things but there is a
psychological one for sure and it is that you're a very creative character
and rules are a problem as a result.
P:
[Nods]
AF: Now comes the next step and that is the solution. I think we can solve it. I
think it's possible
P:
[Her eyebrows go up, and her eyes open wide as she's looking at him]
AF: believe it or not, and that is [gets up and unbuttons his jacket] I'm getting
warm just talking about it!
P:
Are you getting panic attacks?
AF: No, I don't get those. I had panicky life. I had a hard life and so I had to
meet a lot of terrible situations but you're in the middle of a kind of fight, I
think [pushes his chair to the corner making space at the center of the room]
and it's something like this. I'm going to act it out for you to make it easier.
One part of you is over here [goes to the left] and it is saying. "Get off my
back. Leave me alone" basically.
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P:
[Nods]
AF: [Makes shaking motions of hands] "No rules" Right?

P:
Yeah.
AF: And there's another part [moves to the right] and this part we dont know
well enough yet, I dont know well enough yet
P:
[Eyes open wider]
AF: and it says I expect from you to live in a box. You have to live in the box.
You have to live in the rules and you have to be this way and this way and
this way and this way." And part of you [moves back to the left] is saying,
Fuck you! I dont want that. Get away. I hate that!
P:
[Nods]
AF: and part of you is saying [still stays in the left side] I do live with some rules,
and some of them are OK and some just dont fit me
P:
[Head leans on the back of the chair]
AF: Isnt that right?

P:
Yeah.
AF: You're thinking something. What are you thinking?

P:
I was just thinking about [AF sits back down in his chair] conversation
yesterday with my office mate who asked me, Why for god's sake Tina you
don't see life like all of us living normal life?"
AF: What's a normal life? Right!

P:
You get married and stay together with someone
AF: There it is!

P:
Yeah, there it is. And she is younger than my mom, and she's not the only
one.
AF: Everybody!
P:
I think that all my friends are having the same [brings her hand that's
holding her water bottle down on the chair with a little bit of force] value
system [taps the water bottle on the chair a little harder] and I'm really
AF: [Slaps his knee forcefully making a loud sound]
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P:
[taps her water bottle on the chair more abruptly] I'm tired [voice gets louder]
of it [laughs]
AF: You're tired and you're pissed! You're angry. [Loud voice]
P:
I think that I stop hanging out with many of my friends and acquaintances or
whatever just because I notice that recently they influence me big [taps the
water bottle] time, you know, even their beliefs, its
AF: I understand.
P:
And they give me a feeling that I was wrong, they were good, that I was not
OK, that they were OK
AF: This is a central theme! Right!

P:
And then I started like
AF: I'm going to be on your side I'm going to say that, You're Ok! [Loud voice]
P:
[Looks at him, raises her eyebrows, smiles]
AF: Not only are you Ok but I think you're very courageous.
P:
They really gave me a hard [taps bottle on chair] time and I had really a guilt
trip about it when they said, Everything has to be the way she says." "Yeah,
she is a smart ass." I was the oldest one in the group that we're hanging
out. They really gave me a guilt trip and I decided to change. I was like Ok
then if 10 people say that I'm wrong and I say I'm not wrong look at this
old school can they be wrong
AF: One right?

P:
and me alone, myself, only one right?
AF: Yes! [Loud]

P:
Well I learned! [Loud] Finally, after the last 2 or 3 years I was trying to adjust
myself to them and I couldn't, I was just unhappy..
AF: [Gets up from his chair and get a pad and marker] I got a great idea! That's
right! That's right. Can 10 be wrong and one right? Yes!
P:
Yeah, I learned it finally.
AF: Do you ever sketch anything? Do you ever draw?

P:
Yeah, in my own way.
AF: You do?

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P:
I dont promise that you will understand it!
AF: No but do you do that?

P:
Yes, sometimes in my own way but I dont draw I just sketch
AF: Are you an artist?

P:
No I am not.
AF: But you like doing it.

P:
It depends what it is but what do you want me to do?
AF: First, what fun things do you do, that you like doing, that are creative for
you? Do you ever write or sketch or sing?
P:
I do my journals and in my journals I write down how I feel. Years and years
from ninety Ever since my first problems.
AF: You're a writer

P:
I have kind of my own style of writing.
AF: Great
P:
For a long time here in the States I didn't have friends to open myself to so I
was writing.
AF: [Nods] My ex husband was not a person to talk to because he would judge
me and blame me.
AF: [While drawing something on the pad that he's holding] Writing is great! I
like writing too. I write too much! I write too many books. I like writing books.
[Leans over and gives P the pad] Here is a box, OK? And you can do
anything you like, near the box, around the box, anything that you like. Just
take a look at that box and just draw anything you like or nothing or just see
what your hand does even.
P:
[Takes the pad, puts it on her knees and looks at the paper]
AF: You're looking at my box there! [Laughs]

P:
So, anything I like So this box is what? My life? Me?
AF: Well, I dont know what that box is, you can do anything at all that you like
with that box.
P:
Wow
AF: I dont know what you call it

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P:
If you were to start with that piece of paper, with my box in itI want to say I'm
confused, and I dont feel confused but I really dont know what to do with
this
AF: If you were to start with that piece of paper with my box on it [laughs]
P:
[Smiles]
AF: what sketch would you make? Let's see what sort of sketch comes out of
you
P:
[Keeps looking at it] Hm! (inaudible) writing
AF: Yeah! Yeah!

P:
About what? Is it like about my current situation in life or about my future or

how I see or what? Just give me a hint
AF: Oh! [Comes forward in his chair] We're in an area that is a little foreign to
you psychologically
P:
Yeah
AF: Sorry that it's so foreign. What I am doing here is writing would probably
be the best thing but this is next best. I would need a day or two of writing
with you to do this but just looking at that box, put your pen [he points to the
center of the page] in the center
P:
[puts her pen at the center and then looks at him]
AF: and just watch the kinds of energetic motions or no motions that your hand
makes. Just make lines in any way whatsoever. I dont know what they are
going to do either
P:
[Starts drawing] I don't know. This is what I usually do when I'm..
AF: Uh-huh!
P:
Just
AF: Hm [Looks at paper fascinated] Oh yeah [Nods as he sees her

making her sketch] Oh! Fascinating! [Kneels on the floor next to her looking
at the paper now from the same angle as her]
P:
This what I usually do, and when you have the dark pencil I make, you
know, shadows. And I just don't remember what this one is about [draws
another few lines]
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AF: Oh my god!
P:
[Looks at him] I dont know if that is helpful
AF: That's wonderful! That is helpful! Is that done?

P:
Yeah, this one is done [She draws a few more lines as she says this] What
else do I do when I sketch? I dont know It's more like writing, then I start,
you know, drawing messages
AF: Writing messages?

P:
Um hum [looks at him and nods]
AF: Like what?

P:
First usually it depends how I feel. If I am Ok, then I go with a message to

myself encouraging myself. So I say Encouragement message [writes on
her paper the word "encouragement"]
AF: [His mouth drops open in amazement!]

P:
Something like you know, This too shall pass
AF: [Smiles]
R:
Mm
AF: Oh, a very motherly thing with yourself, this too shall pass.
P:
Yeah, to myself.
AF: Mm
P:
And then I ask myself to do a review of my life in terms of, "Tina" [looks at
AF] "You've done this. You've been through much harder times
AF: Mm
P:
"You can do it"
AF: Oh
P:
so again, in terms of reviewing in positive, remembering positive things that

I've done...
AF: [Smiles] Mmm Mmmmmm

P:
Then, unfortunately there's always, always, there's not only sad things
from my past, hard moments, they come.
AF: Um hum
P:
Sadness, and then I feel pity to myself, then what comes? Anger.
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AF: Anger at what?

P:
You know at [looks up and away] Oh gosh[big sigh] I can my No.

Somebody from up there [point with her right hand at the ceiling] who sees
everything down here whoever it is, God or Lord or just asking "Why me?"
Then disappointment probably should be between sadness and pity but
um, and somehow I spend more time on this area [circles on her paper
some of the words she's been writing on the lower part of her paper, I think
sadness, pity, disappointment, anger area, but the paper isn't visible to the
camera] rather than on reviewing the positive things to be done and rather
than encouraging myself.
AF: That's wonderful. That's very helpful to me. Can we look at that picture here
for a moment? I'm going to show this picture to Lily too. Is that OK?
P:
Yeah! Absolutely
AF: This is quite an amazing thing! [AF takes the pad and brings it close to the
camera]
P:
[Looks at R and frowns]
AF: She made a one, two three, [to P] six?

P:
Six
AF: Six-triangled thing with all different kinds of parts to it! [Sits back at the edge
of his chair close to P who is now looking at the sketch with AF] And one of
the most interesting things about this is that these sections with basically
different kinds of designs in them,
P:
[Nods]
AF: arent they?

P:
Um hum
AF: Did you start with this one?

P:
No, I started with this one. This is one [she numbers the triangles in the
sketch]
AF: You started with this one?!

P:
Yeah
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AF: Oh wow! And what's the difference between the first and the sixth for
example?
P:
AF: Very different!

P:
Um hum
P:
Straight [makes straight horizontal movements with her pen in the air]
AF: Straight [makes larger straight horizontal movements in the air with his
hand] normal life, yeah, and this last one is full of [makes circular
movements with his hand]
P:
Um... Waves
AF: Waves! And very different. And here [points to another triangle] is lines too
but they're angled
P:
Vertical
AF: Horizontal and vertical and heres some

P:
Waves but you know, shallow slow waves
AF: Shallow, slower and these are

P:
Lines with breaks
AF: What are they?

P:
Lines with breaks. They're not full solid lines, just like dash [makes a
quick, abrupt movement with her hand in the air]
AF: Yeah. Very different rhythms and what have you, aren't there here?
P
[laughs]
AF: Huh?
P:
It is!
AF: You're laughing! Why are you laughing?

P:
It's interesting now! I see what you are pointing at!
AF: See what I am saying?! What am I saying?

P:
It looks like different things probably and my life, my personality, is it a cycle

that I'm going through?
AF: Yes! That is just right! And thats dashes and separations and how did you
describe number 5?
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P:
Shadow
AF: Shadow! What is it like darkness?

P:
Um hum
AF: Like the night or something?

P:
Um hum
AF: That you can't see exactly And that is turbulence? Or?
P:
Probably turbulence, I was about to say hurricane [laughs!]
AF: Hurricane!
P:
But you said turbulence which is also right
AF: Turbulence and hurricane and vzooooo [makes circular motions with his
hands] stirring and things like that. When you have time you should write a
little story about each section. Take each section and make a story from it.
Just a paragraph or two or something like that, because these describe the
basic rhythms that are typical of you. You're very horizontal and normal
P:
Um hum
AF: and you have all these other rhythms including hurricanes, you're a wild
woman too somehow.
P:
Oh, thats true too
AF: But I think that last one doesn't come out quite enough (the wild one)
P:
[Turns and looks at him with raised eyebrows] It should come out?
AF: I want it to come out more.

P:
[She smiles, still with eyebrows raised] You as a hurricane!
P:
[Big smile]
R:
Hm!
AF: I think you'd look great as a hurricane!

R:
Mm!
AF: [To R] Dont you think so? Cant you imagine that Lily?
R:
Um hum!
AF: Huh?! Tina as a hurricane?

P:
[Looking at him still]
L:
I can!
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AF: You look like a very straight, normal person, and you are but if you were
What kind of character would you be if you were more like a hurricane?
[Throws his arms into the air]
P:
[Looks at him, then down smiling]
AF: Because I think you are underneath!

P:
[Nods]
AF: Arent you?

P:
[Nods and smiles]
AF: Yes! What would you be? If you could be a more artistic hurricane what kind
of woman hurricane would you be? Or man hurricane whatever!
P:
I would still be a woman!
AF: Yeah a woman, and what kind of

P:
No offence! [Looks at him and laughs]
AF: No offence!
P:
A woman but just to help me understand what you mean by hurricane give
me at least a few options
AF: I said turbulence but you said hurricane so Describe a hurricane first to
me in words.
P:
Oh! I know! I know! [Sits up, big smile] It's a wind that comes into a place
[turns the pen that's she's holding on her right hand around quickly forming
a spiral in the air]
AF: Stirs everything up.

P:
Stirs and leaves.
AF: It stirs everything up and leaves.

P:
Yeah, gone!
AF: So, what would a woman who was a hurricane be like? She'd come in
P:
I don't know but it's I did that stuff, that I do hurricane, stirs everything up
leave it and never go back
AF: Let's say I'm living in a house and you're going to be a hurricane coming
into my house! Let's be kids for a couple of minutes and you would just stir
everything up. I'm one kid and you're another kid, and Lily is another kid,
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and you were to come into the house and you were to stir everything up,
would you throw stuff in the air? Throw it out of the window? What would
you do? How would you act that out?
P:
I wouldn't throw it out of the way but I would make it my way, so your house
would not be your house it would be mine
AF: [Mouth drops open, points at her as if saying, "that's it!" and laughs] How
would you do that? That's great! That's what I am looking for! How would
you do that? It's your house!
P:
Yeah, I would probably do it the way I like it. I might ask you, you know,
even if you disagree I will somehow make you [laughs] do it.
AF: [Puts up his fists cheering, smiling]

P:
Make it my house! Take this pen [gives him the pen] because I am playing
with it and it makes a stupid noise! Yeah, I'll probably, probably See? I'm
not absolutely not a good person to live with anybody because everything
has to be my way!
AF: [Speaks loud]I love it! No, I like it.

R:
[laughs]
AF: [Speaks loud and fast] Lily likes it too. And how does it have to be if you're a
hurricane? "It's got to be my way, and my way is this way! What would your
way be?
P:
To just, you know, changing everything, probably redesigning the furniture

and stuff inside. Making new habits in terms of like, if we were together in
this house for a few days for example, mornings will be mine, you know,
yeah, I can ask you, do you want a coffee? Do you drink coffee in the
morning? But since we're kids we don't drink coffee but anyway!
AF: I'll be a kid! I like coffee!

P:
Ok, so yeah, I would be, I'm very respectful, very respectful but if you expect
me to live in that place, I'll probably arrange it to accommodate myself and
then after I'm gone I'll probably go back to this straight line
AF: Yeah!
P:
and I'll call you and apologize

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AF: Yeah
P:
and I will be hard on myself for redesigning your place. That's what I do
AF: I see! So that's what I want to suggest to you but not apologizing. I want you
to say that you can go back to being normal but I want you to really feel
freer everywhere this is now the integration thing and it will take some
time maybe to do but I will tell it to you first in words. Every time that you
come into a situation, even this kind of thing, how would you and you did
redesign things! You took the chair from there you put it here! I should've
seen it right away!
P:
[Smiles]
AF: [To R, smiling] She's very creative in relationships!

R:
Um hum!
P:
[Beaming!]
AF: [To P] You did redesign things, in little ways, you know,
P:
[Nods]
AF: and you neednt apologize because you can behave in all these ways but
you're much more creative and crazy than you let yourself be. That is all
there is to it.
P:
[Stays still looking at him]
AF: You're much more interesting and you would have the ability to redesign
everything and you think it is terrible but I think it is great!
P:
It's not terrible if I do that in my own place, that touches only me, but at work
place, for example, when I do that stuff and my staff, my employees dont
like it when I, all of a sudden, [snaps her fingers] come up with an idea and
somehow it always ends up to be unwanted, and it turns out to be perfect
thing [snaps finger]
AF: [Gives her the thumbs up]

P:
but my staff cannot follow me.
AF: They can't follow you but you can explain it afterwards in a straight way too
and I am sure you do.
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P:
Yeah, I do much much better, but they want things to be like smooth,
planning ahead, no bumps in the road
AF: No, that's not you! You are full of very sudden transitions. Each one is very,
very different. Your nature is, you make very sudden creative transitions and
you have many very different moods that you can have.
P:
Um hum
AF: You're a very interesting character! You're an artist or something like that.
P:
[Shakes her head no]
AF: Well, you're a life artist

P:
Maybe [laughs] but I don't do any of that stuff
AF: No not art. I mean you're a very creative character. But now comes the I
want to ask you a question. When you came in here why did you put the
chair here? Actually I think it is a great place but how come you did that?
P:
When I came in I asked you where do you want me to sit? And you said
Any place you want, you can move the chair and this was just I dont know
the place where I felt comfortable [laughs] That's too much in the corner and
that's not my personality to sit in the corner!
AF: [laughs!]
P:
I cannot sit in the corner!
AF: I work with hundreds and hundreds of people maybe thousands

P:
[Laughs] Nobody told you that?
AF: [Points his finger at her] You are the first person to ever do that!
P:
[Laughs!] Oh my god!
AF: I love it and that's you!

P:
That 's me [shakes her shoulders, smiles]
AF: I love it. And people like Lily and me and others who are also very creative
with their lifestyles love that, and that's just who you are.
R:
Hm
AF: Putting you in the corner or telling you how to live

P:
NO!
AF: [Laughs]
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P:
[Laughs]
AF: is enough to give you a panic attack. You have to constantly be creating
your life. Re-creating.
P:
So are you saying I should keep moving every 2 years? [Laughs, looks at R
then AF] Recreating?
AF: Maybe Maybe [very serious]

P:
I have been moving every 2 years to a new apartment and every time it
looks different.
AF: Maybe That's an artistic lifestyle. I understand that you dont identify as an
artist, so that's just my word for that, but you just happen to be a very
creative, have a very creative living style that is not like everybody elses.
Thank god!
P:
Yeah
AF: Most people are just dead

P:
Why am I still having a guilt trip whenever I'm talking to my mom again? Oh
god it's hard
AF: Oh my god! Yeah, she puts a guilt trip on you and you pick it up, instead of
saying to her "Mom" [Very loud voice] "Your life is right for you but it does
not fit me!
P:
I'm saying it but later on I'm still having that feeling that
AF: She's right. You believe her somehow. I understand that. That's the
integration problem. Ok, now comes the question, this would be now I'm
talking with Lily at the same time, excuse me
P:
[Looks at R and smiles then looks at AF] Oh, that's fine
AF: She's a primarily creative person. She's creative, what are you going to do?!
P:
[Looks at AF while AF is looking at R]
AF: And she doesnt fit in a box very well, though the way she organizes, the
way you organize, you saw there in her sketch, very, very structured, she
has a very organized mind, but it's within very organized creative. So she's
got all her education and all her background telling her she's wrong with
who she is. So, now comes the dialogue, the slow work, the dialogue with
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this very conventional part of her to get both parts to come together, and I
think that's not a big job but it has to happen in a semi-organized way. So
I'm going to make a suggestion to you. I'm not sure if it's going to work but it
is fun. Maybe you're already doing it, you should write a dialogue between a
very conventional mother and a very creative daughter. Have those two
things dialogue a lot, and you should have a third party called the positive
mother because that's very much in you too, something that loves you and
supports you. That's my suggestion to you.
P:
[Nods] Ok
AF: Does that make sense to you?

P:
It does. It does. I'll start doing it.
AF: Yeah I would do that.

P:
So, what do you think I'll get out of that?
AF: What a great question! That in itself Nobody else asks that question!
What a great question! What do I see as the outcome of that? [Takes time
to think] I'm not sure because you're so creative that anything I say you will
retransform My guess at this point would be somebody who is very
powerful, number one.
P:
[Nods]
AF: [To R] Do you see that too Lily?

R:
Yes, I do.
AF: Someone who is very powerful, somebody who is very directive and very
helpful in her directive-ness, to other people, and constantly surprising,
everybody. That's what I imagine!
P:
Yeah! [Nods]
AF: That's what I image

P:
Yeah
AF: Is that right?

P:
[Big sigh]
AF: And that all those so called problems that you're having, all of that hurricane
is just all your creativity and redesigning
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P:
It never stops. I dont have those moments when I want to relax. No! There
is always something happening in my life
AF: Me too
P:
and surprising others in my life surprises me!
AF: Arent you lucky in a way too?

P:
Yeah, I would say so. When I was thinking about mom again, when she said
why dont I live like all woman my age in the community that are married
having kids, you know, oh my god, I just cannot ever imagine myself living
that life again!
AF: No
P:
That life was terrible. I think that that caused my panic attacks.
AF: I do too. I think that you understand that perfectly. That's right.
P:
Yeah, it was that. It's nothing else. It's not even having the child.
AF: It's the idea of family systems and of following a predictable rhythm that's
really very much against you. It just doesn't fit your biology. Other kinds of
people can lead a more standard rhythmical life like that, but you have 6
different rhythms! That's not going to work for you. You're not predictable.
P:
Yeah, I was told that many times.
AF: [laughs, looks at R]

R:
[Laughs]
P:
I even cannot predict myself!
AF: I dont even know what I'm going to be doing either though! With myself I
have the same problem!
R:
Me too!
AF: You're in good company right now!

P:
Welcome to the club! [Looks at R and burst into laughter] Oh my gosh
AF: Welcome to the club! [laughs]

R:
[laughs]
AF: [To R] Welcome to the club! Maybe you can join in too. How are you a little
bit like her do you think?
P:
[Looks at R]
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L:
I get into moods and I have no idea what they're about, and unless I stop
and really go into it I can't figure out what's happening. Sometimes I do that
through movement. If you were to see me from the outside you'd think,
"She's nuts! She lost it! What is she doing there?" Then I have no idea
what I'm going to be doing next. Where I'm going to be living? Will I be
here? Will I be In Greece? What will my life look like? What's my life about?
And then when I hear you talk I think, "Yes! That's life! See? More people
are leading their lives following themselves."
P:
[Big sigh]
R:
and I feel supported to follow mine"
P:
I dont rely on other people.
AF: Say more.

P:
Same thing when I would come to your house and..
AF: and redesign it!

P:
I dont rely on people at all. Whenever I did it was a mistake. It's the same
thing, like these 10 people are right and I am wrong or the opposite. It took
me years to learn that 10 people can be wrong and I can be right, and when
I learned it after I was trying to adjust to people to be more happy, more
accepted in society and so on I was the most unhappiest person ever. I just
realized that there was no person I could rely upon. If I assigned a task to
somebody at work and they didn't do it I learned not to care any more. "You
didn't do it? OK, I'll do it." Before I was very strict. I'm still scheduled. If you
say 9.30 you better be there at 9.30. But I'm still trying to ease it up.
AF: Aha! But that is ok, being a little dominating is OK. People need it too. They
need structures so when you put your structure onto other people most of
those structures are going to be good for them too. When you do that some
of it is going to be ok for the others. Well, you'll check it out and see but by
and large I think it will be helpful.
P:
So, I see myself, I'm 34 and I see myself for a long time alone, being single,
living along, because first of all, not only I cannot rely on anybody but I dont
feel ready letting anybody coming into my life.
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AF: I'm going to say that differently. I dont know if you're ready. I'm not so sure
it's your pattern just now. I think you would be ready but its just not who you
are in the moment. Knowing you, you'll probably change suddenly! 10 years
from now, 5 years from now I dont know what you will be doing!
P:
Yeah in that time yeah
AF: Right now

P:
This year, next year I feel I definitely need to enjoy this journey of intuition
[looks at R and nods]
R:
Mm
AF: Journey of intuition [thumbs up]

P:
Yeah.
AF: You got it!

P:
and I really hope Ill discover a new myself. But every time you discover
yourself it is never the same person! [All three laugh!]
AF: She is on the right track! Isnt that beautiful?!

P:
Really! I'm really wondering. I was told Yeah, you're different and you drive
us nuts, and just leave us alone, and you'd better change otherwise you'll
stay alone, and this and that and stuff, but I cannot go against myself
anymore!
AF: That sounds really good to me

P:
So, whatever my intuition tells me to do I'll do.
AF: Here is my prescription for you: Every morning when you wake up ask
yourself, 'What does my intuition tell me to do today?"
P:
[Nods, smiles]
AF: You may not be able to do it exactly that way but you should know every
moment.
P:
Yeah! And I get stuff done when my intuition tells me to do it. When I force
myself I don't do it!
AF: It's been a pleasure to meet you and to get to know you!
P:
So goodThank you very much
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[While R is setting up the camera, AF takes pillows off of corner chair, P picks up
a stuffed animal (Kermit the frog from the Muppet Show) from the chair]
P:
[High pitch, sweet tone] Kermyyy
AF: You want Kerm?!

P:
[Holds Kermit in front of her face] Kermyy
AF: Have a seat.

P:
[Puts Kermit on a table on the side]
AF: You're sitting in the chair. I might as well do the same thing. Ann!
P:
[Nods] Ann!
AF: Do you know what we are going to do?

P:
I have my idea of it.
AF: [To R] Lily would you like to say something about how you met Ann?
L:
Carol (Process Work student) told Ann about the research that I'm doing on
panic attacks and Ann e-mail me and told me that she was interested in
working with you on her panic attack experiences.
P:
I've had mine
AF [Puts on his glasses] Right. You have panic attacks?

P:
[Swivels her chair from side to side] Wow you go from looking like a
friendly elf to a deeply scholarly man, real fast!
AF: I do?! How do I do that?

P:
You put the glasses on! [Laughs]
AF: Oh, my glasses! I am scholarly more now! [Smiles and nods]

P:
That's how it looks suddenly [laughs] but you certainly have an elf and deep
woods energy
AF: Oh, Yeah! Yeah! [loud] I have like a I'm very playful! That's why I have all
my masks up there [points to the wall] and all my bugs [points to stuffed
animals] and stuff!
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P:
Um hum
AF: Maybe you want to ask something more about me first, and check me out
P:
Um NoI have an idea
AF: I dont know myself that well so ask me anything you want, we'll find it out
together. So, I want you to feel OK with me.
P:
[Looks at him and nods] I do feel OK with you and I want to tell you my
panic attack story because it wasn't very playful and fun.
AF: They never are [Turns to R] They're horrible

R:
They are
P:
[Looks at R] Right. It's like, Mama never told me there would be days like
this [nervous laughter]
AF: Oh
P:
The first one was about ten years ago and I woke up and I was running
down the hall in my apartment, panicked that I wasn't breathing.
AF: Where were you living?

P:
I was living in Portland in an upstairs apartment by myself.
AF: Oh, are you from Portland?

P:
No, but I've been here 20 years. I'm from (city in US) originally.
AF: Oh, why did you move out here?

P:
I was sitting on a bus in (city) and I said "If I'm going to be the kind of person
who has to ride buses and things like that, I'd rather do it in a place where it
is pretty. And that's a big part of it.
AF: And did you find work out here?

P:
Well I've been here twenty years and I've found work up to now.
AF: What do you do?

P:
I was a massage therapist for a while. I always had a part time job typing.
Then I went to graduate school in social work so I could have a better part
time job than typing but that swallowed more of me than I thought it would.
It's very demanding
AF: Social work is very hard
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P:
It wanted a profession and I came out very depressed but started a

counseling practice. And then ten years ago when I had this panic attack
and some other things were going on I had hurt my back very badly I let
go of it all. I was working as a musician and a counselor and I kind of had to
let go of all of that.
AF: Oh
P:
And coming back my practice has never really come back and I've worked
part time in the mental health industry and they spit me out last March.
AF: Right, with everybody else. [AF is referring to massive layoffs that
happened]
P:
Right after beating me up first.
AF: How did you find out about Process Work?

P:
Over the years I would try to go to the Jung society meetings,
AF: Oh!
P:
hoping they would be better than they ever were. But someone asked me to
stand up and make an announcement because they couldn't go, for a
Process Work thing and hand out some flyers, and the hackles that were
raised And I recognized, you see I had seen those hackles in the past
about James Hillman, and I studied with him in college, I had that
opportunity, he taught a course, so I wanted to know who you were if you
got those chickens clucking! [Laughing]
AF: Oh my god! Yeah, they got clucking! Thats funny!

P:
So, I read your book, Dreambody and one response was I'm not joining
another thing. Forget it!
AF: [Nods] You had enough of that!

P:
And the other response was this guy thinks like I do!
AF: Oh, yeah!

P:
But I still didn't care because I wasn't joining another thing, I'm burned out.
AF: Yes. You were a massage therapist, you know about that whole world.
P:
That and I worked with a spiritual group or struggled with one for 20 years
AF: [Laughs]
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P:
[Laughs]
AF: That's fun! What a life!

P:
Then, I live near (street in Portland) and I saw when the first neighborhood
symptoms clinic was (P is referring to a free monthly three hour clinic that
the Process Work Center of Portland organizes in a Portland neighborhood
where people can come and work on their body symptoms with a certified
Process Work therapist in the middle of the group). I could not get myself to
go. The first night that I could get myself to go happened to be the night that
(a Process Work therapist) taught it. I had a very powerful experience and I
worked with him and I had an even more powerful experience and I have
been looking around ever since.
AF: Ok. Thank you. It's great to know. It's amazing how we get connected to one
another. Sorry, you were jumping right into things and I...
P:
That's OK. You're lighter than I am and I'm [makes a movement with her
right hand bringing it up to her shoulder and then straight down twice]
"Here's what I want to tell you! [Laughs]
AF: [Smiles and makes the same hand motion while talking] Ok! Let see, what
is it? Tell me about that panic attack
P:
Well, I woke up, I was running down the hallway panicked [brings her right
hand to the center of her body in front, between tummy and stomach,
maybe the diaphragm] that I couldn't breath [presses with her hand that
spot]. I had an unbearable sensation here [her hand is still on the same
spot]. It wasnt a pain, it was aall I could think that would be that upsetting
would be touching a nerve or something
AF: Ugh
P:
and I didn't sleep for 4 days till I finally got to someone who gave me Xanax.
AF: [Nods]
P:
And from Xanax I got put on a high dose of antidepressants which had
been given to me once in the past, and I've been on them ever since until
last March when I got laid off, and I decided to use the opportunity of having
no insurance to see if I could taper down. I was almost tapered down to
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nothing when I worked with (Process Work therapist at symptom clinic). I

would have anxiety but I could work through it, you know, I could breath it
through but about six weeks later I suddenly crashed and started to wake up
panicking that I couldn't breath. I could feel it again
AF: Um hum
P:
and it got that everyit felt like I was floating away but not in a way that I
could tolerate.
AF: The panic state itself?

P:
[lifts her arms up from her lap all the way up above her head] It's like
[Looks up and to the right] Right. It's like I knew enough that I could be calm
looking at it but I still could not tolerate it.
AF: Yeah
P:
and it would rise up [repeats same movement of her hands coming up from
the bottom of the tummy up through the center of her body all the way up
above her head] and I was handling I called it I was putting out fires every
three minutes
AF: [Makes a facial expression, squints his eyes and presses his lips together
that I interpret as saying "ouch"]
P:
And I said, "Well this is not what I bargained for"
AF: [Shakes his head from side to side]

P:
So I've gone back on
AF: [Nods]
P:
on a smaller dosage which is stabilized me some. And a week ago the

nurse at the free clinics told me that my thyroid is really low and they gave
me a thyroid
AF: Yes
P:
and I haven't been worried about myself since [sense of wonder in her
voice! It's just a week!
AF: You took the words right out of my mouth! I wanted to ask you two things
about your physical self.
P:
Um hum
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AF: The first was about the thyroid because what you describe, especially the
coming out and going up in the air and the fear of that, people with thyroid
problems say that all the time.
P:
Oh really? I had no idea!
AF: Yeah.
P:
I was working with a naturopath, I still am, and he was giving me

naturopathic thyroid stuff, but it's not working.
AF: No.
P:
I mean it wasnt.
AF: No. And the other thing that I wanted to ask you, do you have an acid
stomach?
P:
Acid stomach?
AF: Acidity, a burning sensation?

P:
If I eat the wrong foods I get that but I dont get it regularly. I get it if I eat too
late at night. But also I take digestive enzymes and I'm careful what I eat but
I am interested in what your thought is.
AF: Um Do you sometimes have the sensations of acidity in your esophagus?

P:
No, it doesn't come up that high.
AF: But you feel uncomfortable sometimes, you watch what you eat and dont
eat too late at night.
P:
Right
AF: Some of the things that you describe, not that that's going to solve the
problem but it can't hurt, acid stomach has also some of this panicky
behavior sudden spasms, nobody can figure out what it is Always
people will find out something good by working on it psychologically but you
have to be careful physically. Do you know what an acid stomach is?
P:
You are not saying that (curd?)?
AF: It's not the (curd?) that comes up into the esophagus but that irritates the
bottom of the esophagus. Sometimes different foods or stressful scenes can
irritate and you get a little bit of an acidity or a spasm or a cramp or a
burning sensation.
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P:
I've had an unexplained cough for 20 years
AF: [Raises eyebrows]

P:
that I know is sometimes food related, but sometimes I dont know what it is.
AF: You may You can't loose much by trying something, maybe a couple of
bucks but if I were you I would try it. Why dont you buy an over the counter
acid reliever and just take one every evening before you go to bed. If you
notice no difference just forget it but I just wanted to say this to you and to
you [to R] because some of these things, especially the sensation of flight in
connection with panic, that's almost always connected with a physical thing.
P:
It doesn't feel like I'm going up. It feels like [repeats same motion as before
with her hands] something is going up and dissolving me.
AF: [Nods]
AF: Great. Let's go into that now but those things need to be checked out and
discussed and attended to physically. So you're checking the thyroid thing
out?
P:
Right. They're going to test me again.
AF: Great. And you are fifty.?

P:
I'm 55, two days ago!
AF: Well, congratulations.

P:
Thank you! [Smiles] What a birthday present!
AF: Two days ago! [Smiles]

P:
[Smiles]
AF: So now let's talk about the panic attack itself. I dont have them so you have
to describe it somehow in a way that know what it's like, give me the
sense
P:
Well, I'll tell you one side of the worst thing about it, is a feeling of isolation.
That there can be a million people there or the nicest people in the world,
and nobody can get to me.
AF: [Nods] Hm!

P:
You know?
AF: No, I didnt but I

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P:
That's the worst feeling.
AF: Um hum
AF: Nobody can get to you at all. The worst is that you're right there, there could
be the nicest characters around you but
P:
Someone could hug me and it wouldnt matter
AF: Right, something

P:
something has cut me off [brings her two hands down vertically in front of
her chest in an abrupt movement] from everything
AF: Aha! Great! Gotcha! [Nods]

P:
That's not the whole of it but
AF: That's a big piece.

P:
In a way that's the worst feeling.
AF: That's the worst thing about it!

P:
That's the worst thing about it.
AF: That's great. That's important. That will be good for us. Yeah?
P:
The sensation, I broke T12 [comes forward on the chair, puts her left hand
on her lower back] in a car accident in 1967 so it is like [with her right hand
draws in the air] rectangle, rectangle, triangle, rectangle, rectangle, my
vertebrae.
AF: Oh Ouch
P:
So there's been a lot of back stuff over the years. But anyway, the front
[puts her right hand on the front, on that same spot that she had originally
put her hand when she was describing the panic attack, so that now her left
hand is on her back and her right hand is on the front on the same height] I
dont know if they are connected but there's just a sensation that's just
slightly on the left [brings he left hand now to the front and puts the palm of
that hand on the spot that she is describing] [Stays quiet for a few
seconds looking up and to the right and then nods] it's around
AF: Um hum [Leans back on his chair, rests his hands on his lap, looks at her,
listening]
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P:
it's slightly on the left and it is Ok, come out a little more [as if she's
talking to someone] [Then shakes her head from side to side, presses her
lips, exhales] There's a lot of parts
AF: [Nods]
P:
in me that dont want this to happen
AF: Ok [calm voice, accepting tone]

P:
dont want this to come out
AF: They dont have to come out you guys dont have to come out [tone of
voice is tender, like talking to kids]
P:
Ok
AF: she can talk about it...

P:
Just tell me about it
AF: Just tell me about it, yeah [Nods]

P:
[looks down] Um
AF: It's ok [reassuring tone]

P:
It's a shakiness, it is a
AF: [Closes his eyes]

P:
whoosh, it is a I'm getting a picture of [her hands start coming up from her
lap and when they're at the level of her diaphragm her right hand begins to
make vibrating motion and then her hands stretch out in front of her] liquid
erupting through a canal
AF: [With his eyes still closed] Yeah! Yeah! Oh, I can see that too. It goes
right [his right hand reaches out in front of him making slight up and down
motions as it's moving from left to right forming waves]
P:
And also at the time I had dreams of you know how when an electric wire
breaks when there's been a storm or something
AF: I sure do!

P:
and it hangs in the air and goes fsssssit, fsssssit [makes motions with her
left hand, her fingers vibrating up and down as her hands moves parallel to
the ground from her right to her left]
AF: [Smiles] Um hum

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P:
I had a couple of those dreams [Her whole body suddenly shakes almost
autonomously and her arms go up in the air] and would wake up like that
from that.
AF: Yeaaaaah! [loud voice] I see... Wow! You've got like lots of good stuff in
there!
P:
Is it? [Laughs!]
AF: Yeah! [Loud voice] It's amazing!

P:
Ok
AF: Awesome! [Loud voice, with excitement] You're awesome

P:
And also there's a panic that I can't breathe
AF: [Nods] Um hum

P:
And the first time, I mean I would look in the mirror and say See! You know,
you've been like this for two days"
AF: and you are still breathing

P:
you're breathing but [puts her hands on both sides of her waist and presses
inward]
AF: but you still felt you can't

P:
Right! And it was very
AF: spasm
P:
constricting oh spasm you think?
AF: Yeah, the spasm. That may be connected with your tummy too, with a
spasm in there
P:
And then I thought, well, having so much body fat [she is referring to her
being obese] I feel suffocated by myself but this happened before I put on a
lot of this extra weight
AF: Right. So let's pretend something easy to begin with.

P:
Ok
AF: Well I dont know how easy it will be for you, it feels easy to me, but let's
explore withdrawing into yourself instead of that happening to you. You said
in the beginning that the worst part of the experience was that feeling of
isolation, that people even if they hug you can't really touch you
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P:
[Nods]
AF: Let's explore just going inside yourself and withdrawing from me and from
Lily a little bit. You're normally a very related, interactive
P:
Um hum
AF: sort of creature, but let's pretend that you have the right
P:
[Swivels her chair from side to side, her head tilts down and her eyes close]
AF: the OK-ness to just withdraw a little bit inside and just explore how that is for
you when you do that
P:
I feel resentful
AF: [His mouth opens in surprise]

P:
and I want to say, Well now what do you want?
AF: Ha! Aha I dont want anything. [Tone of voice soft and low volume] I just
want you to check that out. Resentful
P:
Well, it's really screwed up [crying] inside here
AF: It is?
P:
Yes[after a few second] Dont make fun
AF: No.. [After a second] Aha Oh Right [Nods and stays quiet] Um
hum
P:
[Her chair is turned to the right, facing away from AF, puts her hand in front
of her eyes] What do you want me to do?
AF: [Very soft, tender voice, low volume] I wanna know a little bit about what's
screwed up if anything at all. What do you mean screwed up?
P:
Screwed up, it got dark [Kicks the floor with her right leg, her hand is still
in front of her eyes, head tilted downward] (silence for 30 seconds)
AF: It got dark

P:
It got dark and there were hands and screaming is what I'm hearing
AF: Mm
P:
but it's hard for me to give credence to this.
AF: Um hum
P:
OK, even though it's hard for me to give credence I'll listen.
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AF: You said it's screwed up in there. That doesn't sound like it's screwed up to
me. It sounds like there's hands and screaming.
P:
and I hate them
AF: Yeah
P:
We can't do this.
AF: OK. We dont have to

P:
We don't have to, he says.
AF: You dont ever have to do anything.

P:
But how can we get fixed if we dont?
AF: What needs fixing in there?

P:
Being scared and hidden in here and tucked away
AF: Mm hm Oh
P:
[Sits with her hand still over her eyes and her right foot moving so that the
right side touches the ground and then lifts up again, alternating between
those two positions]
AF: Hm What a relief it is to me to hear that

P:
What's that mean? [Voice is softer, a little higher pitch than before, it sounds
to me almost like a child's]
AF: It's a relief. [Tone of voice is soft and volume is low] I feel really connected
to you when you say that.
P:
Scared and tucked away? [Loud voice, deeper pitch]
AF: Kind of
P:
AF: Yeah
P:
What's he talking about Ann (this is a pseudonym) [laughs]?
AF: Oh sorry, I should have told you. Ann, I can tell you what I'm saying, you
can stay in there or stay partially in there and listen, or whatever you want to
do. I want to say that when you close your eyes and go internal like that,
something in me, I feel rel... I don't know it's the weirdest thing, just the
opposite, I feel related to more. Something in me is tucked away too and
can come out.
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P:
[With her hand in front of her eyes still] Oh really?
AF: Yeah, when I see you do that, something in me wants to say, a part of me is
tucked away too and with your permission at another point I'll show that to
you what's tucked away.
P:
[Slight shake of the head backward] There's another experience going on

now [loud, deep voice]
AF: Um hum
P:
which is like an arrow going into my back [leans forward, her right hand still
in front of her eyes, her left moves to her lower back making a motion of an
arrow going to her back] "tsuuuch"
AF: Um
P:
I don't know if that's a picture of the accident or what
AF: [Remaining in the same position still, leaned back, listening to her]
P:
The accident motion was forward but it's like [pushes abruptly with her left
hand the spot on her lower back making her body jerk forward] "aaaa"
(sound of pain)
AF: Wow! [Loud voice] A straight arrow.

P:
And that is horrible
AF: That's awful [loud]

P:
[Sits with her hand in front of her eyes]
AF: What is that thing? Is the arrow killing you? What is it going to do?
P:
It hurts too terrible
AF: Um hum
P:
Is this the car accident?
AF: Maybe
P:
because I dont remember. I don't remember maybe you showing me

things[voice is softer]
AF: Hmcould be
P:
[Hand goes down, eyes remain closed, voice is louder and deeper] It's
like it was too terrible and they were pushing me down and they would not
listen to me
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AF: Where is this?

P:
and I keep yelling, My back, my back!
AF: Oh
P:
at the car, in the hospital, it was in New Mexico
AF: Ooo Um hum Ouch

P:
So was that the hands? Was that the hands you were telling me about that
you didnt like?
AF: Hm
P:
[Silence for 5 seconds] Yes. [Loud voice, nods head]
AF: Um hum
P:
Yes and I dont want to have it's like that upset my sense of safety in
the universe,
AF: Um I'll bet

P:
and even once I was with people they wouldn't listen to me and I couldn't
fight them and I couldn't get them to stop
AF: Mm
P:
[Nods] Now I feel like I wanna throw up.. I won't. It's not even close to
physical.
AF: What happened there? Somebody really hit you hard with that car
P:
I was asleep next to the driver's seat in fact the last thing I remember is
saying Is it OK if I go to sleep? and she said Sure and then evidently we
went, she passed out
AF: Ah!
P:
and we went off the road and hit an embankment, one hit
AF: Ah!
P:
and then went up and then second hit down into the dessert
AF: Oh my god
P:
so there were two impacts
AF: Yeah
P:
and the guy in the back seat was killed
AF: Aaa!
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P:
because the seatbelts had screws sticking up where they were bolted to the
floor, so he was lying down and he got killed on those
AF: Oh
P:
And what I can figure out I did was snap forward which crushed the
vertebrae and I was pierced here (touches her right cheek) by the handle,
and then the handle on the dashboard, they said, was pushed all the way in
AF: Ah
P:
and my eye [touching her right eye] did that.
AF: Oh
P:
so I have double vision now and no sense of smell
AF: Oh my god
P:
and this back
AF: Yeah
P:
my back my back my back my back my back!
AF: Right
P:
My back
AF: Got it.

P:
And Irene was pregnant. She was pregnant. I kept telling them she was
pregnant and they put me in the pregnancy ward.
AF: Ugh
P:
I dont remember this, this is what I was told, but inside I'm not really
hearing it, but it is like My back, my back! and struggling against hands
AF: Mm Aha! Hm
P:
[Makes motions with her hands in front of her body like pushing something
away] Stop! Take it off of me.
AF: Yeah. What are they doing those hands? They're putting them where they
dont need to be!
P:
[Still with her eyes closed] I wanna get away from them and they keep
coming closer.
AF: Hm
P:
[Puts her hand back up in front of her eyes]

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AF: Hm Um hum
P:
Did putting them where they dont need to be mean sex?
AF: Hm[waits a few seconds noticing her] No. I wasnt thinking of that.
P:
[Staying still with her hand over her eyes]
AF: They put you in the pregnancy ward so I thought they were checking your
tummy out and all sorts of things.
P:
[Her head goes back] Oh! Ok
AF: that is what I was thinking

P:
Ok [nods]
AF: Um hum
P:
Because they did not do sex and maybe they didn't even do anything bad
but I was so panicked
AF: Yeah [softly]

P:
and wanted to get away
AF: Yeah [loud]

P
and I, me Ann, conscious Ann was not present
AF: Right
P:
but somebody was in here
AF: Oooh yeah! Someone who is lucid even when she's in an altered state.
P:
I hated it.
AF: Um hum I'll bet.

P:
I'm scared of that stuff happening again
AF: Yeah, it was a near death experience

P:
[Stays silent for a few seconds] There's something someone told me and I
am looking inside to see if it matches an experience I have.
AF: Mm
P:
[To herself] I was. [To AF]I was out for a long time
AF: Um hum
P:
and years later, someone who looks at past lives and that kind of stuff, said
Well you thought you had an exit out but you had to come back
AF: Um hum
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P:
and they laughed, kind of like I had tried to take a short cut but it didn't work.
But that's what I'm looking for inside of me, is that my experience or?
AF: Right.
P:
Somebody says I want to be dead straight [her right hand goes to the
center of her tummy and moves straight up] dead [hand moves straight
down] center [the movement has a crisp, definitive quality to it]
AF: Yeah, clearly! Lets pretend you were dead. What would that be like to be
totally dead?
P:
[still for 5 seconds then head goes back and leans against the back of the
chair]
AF: What do you think it's like to be totally dead?

P:
[Head tilts down again] Wouldn't have to go to this body again
AF: Hm! [Smiles] Right. No pain, less pain

P:
Wouldnt have to do back to that family.
AF: Oh, the family the family thing

P:
Would get to go other places
AF: Yeah
P:
even though I'm not sure what they are now.
AF: Yeah!
P:
Would get to go magic places
AF: Magic places! Some interesting magic places and would not have to go
back to that family..
P:
Stupid boring dead places, yeah
AF: Yeah! [loud] dumb stuff you'd go to magic places [childish, playful voice]
P:
Yeah! [smiles]
AF: Yeah! A smile! [Laughs]

P:
[Laughs]
AF: Yeah! Magic places! [Laughs] What magic places could you go to if you
were like kind of dead?
P:
Well, maybe there isn't really a Narnia but places like that.
AF: Where?
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P:
Narnia, the CS Lewis stories with Aslan the Lion.
AF: Oh really! [Excited, playful tone]

P:
Adult Ann says, very good but Christian Allegory.
AF: Wonderful!
P:
But I like magic stories where there is people who are nice to you
AF: [Nods] Ha! Beautiful!

P:
and people who are smarter than you and can help you with things
AF: A! Wonderful Narnia!

P:
[Nods emphatically] Um hum That's one of them.
AF: Narnia is a place? Whats happens there?

P:
A place where there can be fairies
AF: Oh[child's voice, excited and smiling] fairies

P:
Yeah magical fairies
AF: Oh! Yes! Magical fairies

P:
and people are nice
AF: Um kind, good hearted.

P:
[Nods] Right. [Nods again]
AF: Ummm
P:
Not my stupid family.
AF: Really!
P:
We're too smart for that! They're intellectuals!
AF: Oh, yeah, wonderful but not in Narnia!

P:
[Nods]
AF: No, in Narnia people are just kind

P:
Right. They're smart in a different kind of way.
AF: Yeah, they're feeling wise smart.

P:
Sometimes I want to live on a stone at the edge of a stream but it's like so
tiny
AF: [looks at her smiling] Aha

P:
but I'll be at a stream or I'll just think of it
AF: Um
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P:
and it's like live under a leaf!
AF: Oooh
P:
and I
AF: lovely
P:
I like that life [soft voice]
AF: I know you would

P:
And we flit around
AF: Yeah
P:
and the water shimmers
AF: oh yes!
P:
and that's where we are and we all kind of shimmer together.
AF: Yes
P:
I like it.
AF: I love that, I love that... Yeah

P:
I'm wondering if you know what I mean
AF: I sit by the river and I see bugs, little flitting things like that,
P:
A ha
AF: and then I see the water go ripple, little tiny ripples, and another bug will go
rippling along
P:
A ha [nods]
AF: and I just love that!

P:
You do?!
AF: I do! In Yachats Amy and I go and sit by the river and we look at the little
bugs and talk about what their world is like
P:
Oh little, little, little
AF: Yeah, little teeny bugs!

P:
That's what I like
AF: Yes!
P:
It's a very brilliant and vibrant [moves her hands out to her sides and
vibrates them] radiant world
AF: Yes! Yes! Brilliant and vibrant Incredible and light hearted
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P:
[Nods]
AF: and they make these vibrations on the water surface

P:
And then the water answers back
AF: Oh my god, I adore that stuff. What a place you live in, you'd like to live in
P:
Yeah
AF: Mm
P:
but I got this stupid place and President Bush instead
AF: Oh I forgot about that. That's right! But before we come back to President
Bush though
P:
Uh huh
AF: how about that leaf? What's it like under the leaf? What's it like to be a little
something under the leaf? Are you a bug? What are you?
P:
Nooo! A bug is like a pet when you ride it.
AF: [Laughs] That is right!

P:
What am I?
AF: Yes
P:
I guess I'm like a teeny Peter Pan.
AF: Ha!
P:
It's like I'm not a girl in a dress or a boy with a sword and stuff either
AF: Right
P:
I'm just see a teeny little Peter Pan in there.
AF: Yes
P:
And I have this weird [she cracks up laughing] I just heard, we talk to
each other and it has what is this?
AF: Peter pan

P:
[Squeaks] eeeioouu eeei, and everybody tieeee, tieeee, tieee goes about
their business and we live, and sometimes some leaves get like a cup and
we'll sail them like a boat around in the water.
AF: Oh
P:
But I like to always come home to my rock that's right on the river
AF: Ugh
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P:
and I park my little boat
AF: Yeah!
P:
and I go in
AF: Mm
P:
and there is my leaf [puts her hands above her head forming a leaf]
AF: Mm
P:
and I guess I have just a little magic light
AF: Um hum
P:
that I turn on and I sit in my little place and I see the lights go on in
everybody else's little places and I'm just happy
AF: Mmmmmm
P:
I'm happy to be there.
AF: Yes! Yes, you live there and everybody else's lights go on at night and you
got a little cup and you can sail around in the day if you want
P:
[Nods]
AF: and [squeak] wiiigi wiigi wiigi

P:
[Nods and smiles] It's like I almost can't say it with my human voice because
it gets too cutesy and it's not cutesy at all. It's full, fiercely joyful!
AF: Yeeees.Yes! You live right by the water

P:
I like that. I have protection [makes the shape of the leaf above her head]
AF: Yes
P:
and I am right on the edge of the water. I like that.
AF: You're right at the edge of the water

P:
Um hm I like that
AF: Yeah
P:
At the beach I used to like to lie down and everybody thought that I was
asleep and I could hear the water and I could hear the conversation and I
didn't have to be in any of it. I always liked that a lot
AF: A lot. This is a big important piece of the whole thing

P:
Not to have to do anything
AF: Right. Not to do what everybody else is doing and think what they think
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P:
Or get involved with all that
AF: Stuff
P:
Stuff!
AF: Right!
P:
Some of it I know is crap but some of it I dont understand and think

something is wrong with me for not understanding
AF: Yeah
P:
but as I got older I found out that if I didn't understand it, it's cause it's crap
AF: Yeah!
P:
It didn't resonate
AF: You know that.

P:
I know that a lot more now than I used to. I thought when I grew up then I
could know what the grown ups were talking about, when I knew what they
were talking about!
AF: Right!
P:
[Lifts the right side of her vest and hides her face under it] Stop! Stop! Stop!
I dont' want it!
AF: Right! My godand all these bugs, I just want to finish that little piece
because it got so interesting, all these beings under the leaves
P:
Uh huh [nods]
AF: Were there different things that these beings do? I mean do they in this
Narnia like place are there like sailor beings or healer beings or do they just
have different kinds of things?
P:
Oh I never let myself be there long enough to find out!
AF: Right!
P:
Lets see [closes her eyes]
AF: Yeah, I want to know more about what's under the leaf. Who that is What
kind of being is that? She's got a light for the night
P:
We laugh a lot
AF: Hm!
P:
I just found that out

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AF: Yes!
P:
We love Aslan the lion when he comes
AF: Aslan the lion?

P:
He's kind of the Lord of all the realms
AF: Oh
P:
and the humans and the fairies know him and love him
AF: Oh Ha! Aslan the Lion

P:
It seems like a little Tinkerbelle or Peter Pan going [puts her hands on her
waist and speaks loud in a squeaky voice: "Do you mean I have a job?
Forget it!
AF: Forget it! She doesnt work at nothing!

P:
She doesn't have to have a job, she's just there
AF: She's happiness.

P:
They're joyful and they have happiness with each other
AF: They dont work at things

P:
Well, let's see. [Closes her eyes] Is there any working at things? Does
somebody paint or sing?
AF: Let's see.

P:
I am looking.
AF: Tinkerbelle, yeah.

P:
ListeningSomebody sings at night when the sun goes down
AF: Mm
P:
and it's the kind of song that everybody hears.
AF: Hm!
P:
It's coming from over on the right
AF: Um hm
P:
and it's an important song. It feels like home and it makes you lonely for
home at the same time.
AF: Oooh
P:
It's like you want it and it gets satisfied and you want it gets said. And it's
definitely a song someone signs and it's a female who sings it
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AF: Oh!
P:
and she's deep in the earth is that is?
AF: Maybe
P:
We all listen to her as the sun goes down and she comes and kisses us
AF: A
P:
and she doesn't have that much of a form but we know she comes and
kisses us
AF: Oh. Ohmy godOh Ah It's touching yeah

P:
and I dont know more now but I do know that I can visit the one who lives
under the leaf.
AF: Mm
P:
[Stays silent a few seconds] Wow! She's with me all the time
AF: Yes!
P:
but she's so delicate and tiny and small that the slightest thing out here and
she's gone
AF: Oh! Yeah, right, a tiny little thing and if too much happens outside she is
fsssit" you can't see here anymore.
P:
Right. Back under her leaf in the fairy world [nods]
AF: Right
P:
and the singing lady
AF: Yeah
P:
[stays silent for a few seconds] I have to visit more to learn more
AF: Yeah
P:
my mind wants to and I dont want to
AF: Yeah, it has to listen to her song

P:
Yeah [nods]
AF: Yeah one day..

P:
[Stays silent for a few seconds] God, what a song
AF: Beautiful
P:
The little ones saying "we like it"
AF: We love it! [In a child's voice]

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P:
[Nods] You should dowe're delicate as a butter cup is what they're saying
AF: Mm
P:
But the singing lady knows us and the singing lady takes care of us.
AF: Um hum
P:
and
AF: Yes
P:
Why do we have to have a job?
AF: No job there. She takes care of us.

P:
Right [Nods]
AF: We need something and the singing lady will take care of us.
P:
It's just in the world
AF: Yeah, that is the world.

P:
The fish are there and the sun is there, and that's just it
AF: Just happiness[says this at the same time that P says:]

P:
We're happy [smiles]
AF: A happy Narnia kind of place

P:
[Nods]
AF: What a great place to be.

P:
Um hm [Noding]
AF: Yeah My goodness! That is so illuminating and magical[Smiles]

P:
[Nods] It's magical
AF: Yes, it's magical

P:
I wanna know the singing lady [definitive voice] this is more conscious Ann
AF: I want to know her too. Conscious Arny wants to know her too! Maybe she'll
manifest herself and maybe not. Let's see if she will sing to you
P:
She has a singing that's like the whole breadth of the land [opens her hands
wide]
AF: Yes
P:
Well, Ok! Singing lady can I spend time with you?
AF: Um hum
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P:
[Stays silent for a few seconds] A! It's you that I want to feel here [touches
her tummy in the spot where she was touching when she was beginning the
sensation that she feels in there]
AF: Um hm
P:
and the disturbance is your loss [stays silent] Can this [still touching her
tummy] be your land and you sing here?
AF: Hm!
P:
Because she can sing through land.
AF: The whole breadth of the land is where she said she sings. Did you say she
sings the land?
P:
This is land [taps her tummy]
AF: Yes, that's the land.

P:
and would you sing through my land here?
AF: Um hum
P:
And it feels very good.
AF: Mm [Nods]
P:
Sometimes I see a red faced woman, like a Native American, but I'm so
cautious about putting limited forms on her
AF: Mm
P:
But singing lady is an Ok handle.
AF: She's ok and she's singing right there.

P:
and it's OK to call her singing lady
AF: and on that land she is singing

P:
Sorry I didn't hear you
AF: In that land or on that land she's singing.

P:
Right [the palms of her hands are still resting on her tummy]
AF: Right where your hands are.

P:
Let me be the land that you sing through
AF: Oh Aha
P:
That's it. Let me be the land that you sing through [touched, cracked voice]
AF: Yes, there you are.

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P:
The "Who's singing?" kind of echoes through me
AF: Mmmmm
P:
Oh, there's a feeling of, here on the left, there's a feeling of warmth
AF: Um hum
P:
this is unfamiliar.
P:
[Stays silent for a few seconds] and I'm thinking "I want you to sing through
me. I want you to hold me
AF: Mm
P:
"Let me be the land you sing through because I'm part of it too. I'm not
separate from it.
AF: Um hum Let us be the land it sings through

P:
I like that
AF: Mm
P:
And it feels like I have a backbone right now
AF: Um hum
P:
instead of a collapsed one.
AF: Mm
P:
I'm worried I'm taking too much time
AF: You sweetheart. That's not possible. In the real time world we have another
13 minutes or more, something like that,
P:
Ok. Ok [Nods]
AF: whatever you need to take.

P:
So, singing lady, I said to you how much I want you to sing through me, and
I guess I want to ask, is there anything you want from me?
AF: Oh! Nice Yes!

P:
I want you to call me
AF: Yes! You wanna be called.

P:
Yeah, it's really OK to ask for you? She says call me, you know the
number! [Laughs]
AF: Aha! Aha You know the number. Yeah
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P:
I'm getting a picture of like a harmonica reed, that little metal flap inside one
of the holes of the harmonica.
AF: Yeah
P:
Ok What about that?
AF: It's a reed

P:
[Stays silent for 3 seconds] It's another picture. It's like I'm the reed and
she's vibrating me and making a song.
AF: Thats it. Thats right.

P:
She really is a spirit. Not a woo-woo Halloween spirit but a real Wow! [Her
face lights up and smiles from ear to ear]
AF: Yes!
P:
I like this! [Big sigh]
AF: Yes! Me too. She is a spirit and speaks and sings

P:
[Nods emphatically]
AF: using you to do that.

P:
Yeah
AF: You're her reed.

P:
I like getting in line for this
AF: Yeah. This is what it is to be in line

P:
[Takes a big breath]
AF: Mm you're her reed

P:
[Nods] and my mind is going off and there's a Rumi quote
AF: I dont know that. I love your mind too. What does it say?
P:
Rumi, you know Rumi?
AF: Oh yes I love him

P:
One of his most famous lines is about the river reed
AF: The river reed?

P:
Right, that God plays through. I'm not saying it as beautifully as he says it
but it's the tale of the reed.
AF: Great! River reed that God plays through.
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P:
Right and she says, you're not exactly the river reed, she's showing me
the harmonica again, and I think that is my bluesy boogie-woogie self
[laughs] you know?
AF: [Laughs]
P:
It's not going to be lah-de-dah music!
AF: Bluesy boogie what is that?

P:
Bluesy boogie woogie self!
AF: Oh!
P:
That's some of the kind of music that I like
AF: I see, it's not going to be quite that, no..

P:
Well, it's like that's the kind of reed I am.
AF: Aha!
P:
It's not just the delicate river reed, it's the harmonica reed!
AF: It's got some

P:
It's sturdy
AF: bluesy boogie woogie stuff

P:
boogie woogie stuff in it. Right!
AF: Yeah you got some bluesy boogie-woogie.

P:
Right
AF: You're that kind of reed

P:
[Nods] That kind of reed!
AF: That's a good kind of reed! [Smiles]

P:
A clarinet reed.
AF: What kind of music does bluesy boogie woogie reed make? Whats that
sound like?
P:
Oh, you wanna hear it?
AF: A little bit! If that's OK with everybody in there

P:
There's a little shyness let's see
AF: I'd like to know a little bit

P:
You know, I sing Yiddish things too
AF: Oh wonderful! Whatever comes up right now. Be the reed for one minute
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P:
[Closes her eyes] Lets sing a song. What would you want to sing?
AF: Aha
P:
[stays quiet for a second] I'm almost too embarrassed to sing that [smiles]
Ok! [Laughs]
AF: Ugh! [Laughs] Whatever she wants, you know.

P:
Oh, let me ask the lady, the singing lady, what song shall we sing?
AF: Yeah! Yeah!

P:
[Shakes her head from side to side and smiles] I keep censoring it but here
we go:
[She starts singing with an AMAZING loud booming blues voice]

I want a little sugar in my bowl
I want a little sweetness down in my soul
I could stand some loving oh so bad
I feel so funny and I feel so sad
I want a little steam on my clothes
Maybe we could fix things up so they go
Whats the matter baby come on and soothe my soul
I want some sugar in my bowl
And I ain't foolin
AF: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
R:
Ugh Ugh Ugh
AF: Oh! That is so.

P:
That's cool! I like to sing with that feeling
AF: Oh, that is soo good the feeling, I want some sugar in my bowl. Something
sweet. Yeah. Oh my god! Oh Rumi, he never had it as good as this! [Smiling
from ear to ear]
P:
[Laughs]
R:
[Laughs]
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AF: That tinkerbell spirit or whatever she's called knows how to use you!
P:
The lady that sings through the land
AF: The lady that sings through the land!

P:
Yeah
AF: Yeah! That's who she is and you're the land

P:
We all are
AF: We all are the land

P:
And as Mel Brooks says "I happen to have the mouth" [Cracks up laughing!}
AF: This is it! Woooo She's wonderful

P:
I like this. I like this a lot. It feels like this warmth through here [points to
the front of her body from her chest to her tummy] is something I've wanted
a long long long long time
R:
Mm
AF: Mm
AF: UmYeah That's the sugar in your bowl You can have as much of that
as you need
P:
[Laughs]
AF: That's good stuff. Wow. Well, in the real time world, whatever that means,
we have another few minutes
P:
Ok [rubs her eyes]
AF: You don't need to

P:
I'm gonna come back
AF: You dont ever have to come back completely

R:
Mm
P:
Tell me more about that
AF: That's the important thing. You can come back as much as you like but
gosh you dont want to ever be only the realistic person. That's not your
nature
P:
I'm a miserable failure at it [laughs]
AF: Well, you'd be miserable trying to do that.

P:
Right! [Nods]
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AF: That will never be quite 100% of who you are. That will never quite work.
No. This is a big piece of who you are.
P:
[Nods]
AF: I want to say 98% Oh! Your eyes opened up too.

P:
[Nods] Um hum [Swivels her chair and looks at AF]
AF: Yeah [Looking at her]

P:
Hi
AF: Oh yeah
P:
You're fun
AF: You're moving You're fun too and you are moving [Turns to R] She's
awesomeShe's awesome
R:
Mm
AF: [Turns to R] You're awesome. It's awesome. Something loves to use you.
P:
[Nods emphatically] That's what I want to learn more about
AF: Something wants your life.

P:
Um hum
AF: and it looked like this is for Lily at the same time as it's for you this is a
panic, I dont know what to use the term about there, but something is
looking for you, like you're looking for something, it's looking for you.
P:
[Nods]
AF: It wants a big piece of you. You're its land we're all its land but you're its
mouth
P:
[Nods] Um hum
AF as you said and it looks like agony, near death experience, it'll use
anything to be able to come alive in you, to make the ordinary self more
relaxed so that you let this kind of trance-like depth that's really
characteristic of who you really are, so that it can be you, you can identify a
bit more with it. Your normal extroverted self is great, you know, but this is
like another self.
P:
[Nods]
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AF: It wants to be identified with slowly and it wants your life, so to speak, in a
positive sense.
P:
[Nods]
AF: I mean you know that.

P:
[Nods]
AF: You can feel it [points to his chest] It feels a little better. That's what comes
as panic. It comes out as a panic if you It's terrifying. You've got such a
power that to be in contact all the time with it would be scary.
P:
So, lets say I'm in a panic or I'm feeling anxiety, I'm being afraid I can't
breath
AF: Then ask yourself, if you were ready

P:
Then ask to spend time with her?
AF: Even before! Like once a day, ask the singing lady what she wants the
breadth of the earth for today.
P:
[Nods] Uh hm.
AF: The reed. What can you do for her?

P:
Wow
AF: What is wanted? It's like your body is being created by some spirit, I think
the Australian aborigines would say this to you too, that this [points to her
body] wants to be used [had he completed his sentence I think he'd have
said something like, "by the spirit"], that the real you is the singing lady.
P:
[Nods]
AF: and it wants every day to [had he completed his sentence I think he'd
have said something like, "to manifest, to express herself"], you're its reed.
P:
[Nods] I can do that
AF: If you can do it 24 hours a day you can understand yourself that way.
P:
Wow
AF: If you have to do something [makes quotation marks in the air] "real,"
whatever that means, pay a bill or talk to somebody about something, begin
to do it but [closes his eyes] ask the singing lady for an inner song in the
moment, and listen to it and use it bring it out in reality then somehow.
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P:
[Nods]
AF: That's then the larger task of you'll integrate that. I do that all the time. I sort
of close my eyes, that's how we all started, sometimes I fee, "Woah I've got
to withdraw from the normal world"
P:
Um hum
AF: You have that a lot. I can see it.

P:
[Nods]
AF: Just do it and let your dreaming in the form right now of the singing lady,
sing you a song, and she'll tell you how to deal with things. You can
dialogue with her beautifully about it if you dont like what she says but I
think most of the time it's going to work perfectly.
P:
[Nods] Thank you
AF: [To R] Isn't she beautiful That was an honor to be

P:
It feels like you helped me, it feels like a birth has happened.
R:
Mm
AF: YeahBeautiful there's something really lovely Well, there's a lot that's
in there It's beautiful. You're beautiful. It's beautiful. Something totally
incredible. You're really lucky.
P:
[Nods] I feel itPart of me doesn't feel lucky at all (?) the pain but
AF: No. I hate that you had to go through all that pain to get there
P:
I have this feeling of wonderfulness at discovering who's in here.
R:
Thank you both!
AF: Wow I lucked out today!
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Case 6: Man with Arnold Mindell in private practice

[P walks in and sits cross-legged on a cushion on the floor. AF sits on a cushion
across from him]
AF: [Are you working at something or studying something?
P:
[Tone of voice is deep, and volume is low] Sure... [laughs] I'm not sure what
to say, I'm a massage therapist
AF: Oh! [Looks at R] Well, we're all the same thing

P:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely [Looks at R]. I've only just started the last few years.
I've only been legal in Oregon for just a few months.
AF: Do you have to have a license in Oregon to be a massage therapist? [Looks

at R}
R:
I think so.
P:
Yeah, yeah
AF: Sounds good to me.

P:
Yeah, I try not to define myself too much
AF : Yeah, I know what you mean

P:
[Smiles] I can't open my mouth without lying
AF: [Laughs] I know! I do understand. What kind of experiences have you been
having or have had or are having with panic?
P:
That's a pretty broad question
AF: Shall we just step into it?

P:
Sure, why not. There is no dividing line. Is there? "Now, we've started!"
AF: No!
P:
[Laughs] Well, I've probably actually been panicking all my life, you know,
but have never really identified it as some particular This is that kind of
experience you know, until maybe a decade ago, I was diagnosed as panic
and depression, you know, sort of opening up all kinds of psychiatric
categories and stuff like that and um my experience of it is
AF: Whats that like?

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P:
Well, you know, it's really hard to say
AF: Have you experienced yourself being depressed and panic connected to
depression, like they say?
P:
Yeah, I think so. I mean now they conflate like manic depression and
depression with anxiety. I dont know. I know at least as far as drugs that
they prescribe, they're the same.
AF: [Nods] Um hum. Do the drugs help?

P:
Some do, yeah, sure.
AF: Oh.
P:
I regularly take an antidepressant, Efexor, which pretty much ensures that

I'm not going to have a full blown, you know, kind of freak out sort of panic
attack. That's pretty much why I take itAnd I usually have Xanax, in case I
do have
AF: [Nods] Um hum

P:
But my original experience it really was like an attack. I really wouldn't have
much warning at all. You know, [snaps fingers] just like that I'd be in that
state
AF: Oh yeah
P:
[Nods] and convinced that I was about to die. You know?
AF: Oh... I dont know myself personally. I mean, I've had things like that but
never that panic thing. What is it like? You feel like you're going to suddenly
die?
P:
[Body leans forward] Yeah and it really is sort of a
AF: Like heart racing and

P:
Sure, yeah it's like all these things [brings his hands up the front of his
body and at the level of the chest opens them up with palms facing upward]
are going on and you just have the conviction that something is wrong. It
must be because I'm freaked out.
AF: Yeah [looks at R]

P:
[looks at R] and of course you really can't see anything. So I always

typicallyyou know, a little bit of medical knowledge is terrible
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AF: Oh! Worse..

P:
especially for somebody with imagination! [Smiles] So I think, "Well, this

must be what an asthma attack is like. I think I'm having my first asthma
attack. I'm probably about to suffocate or a heart attack or something like
that.
AF: Right.
P:
Early on I would have to I'd look in the mirror and make sure, "Oh, look,
my face is red I can't be having a heart attack, I'd be clammy or something if
I werent getting enough blood oxygen!" But, you know, it's an attack. It
completely sort of inundates my awareness. There is really nothing else it
is like
AF: You're overwhelmed by it in way you can't think usually.

P:
I can't say, "Well, I'll think about this later!"
AF: Yeah
P:
It is really panic [nods]
AF: Oh
P:
Yeah
AF: [To R] Is it like that way for you too, the same sort of thing?
L:
The fear is the biggest thing for me, being overtaken by fear
P:
[looking at R]Yeah
AF: [Looking at R] Terror, fear

R:
Uh huh
P:
[Looking at R] Yeah
L:
And not knowing what I'm afraid of, like there isnt really a source
AF: [Looks at P who's still looking at R] I see

P:
[Looking at R] Yeah, it's like free floating. [Looks at AF] It doesnt seem to
be attached to anything.
AF: Yeah, but you're so specific about the heart. Your heart is racing probably
P:
Sure.
AF : So for good reason
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P:
And I think there might be well there's both maybe a well, you could say
maybe there's a reason for having some particular fear. I mean, I dont have
problems with my heart or anything like that, but
AF: No
P:
but in those moments
AF: No, you look well.

P:
yeah, when I'm convinced that I'm going to die it must be that. But I also
dont think in terms of things that could also happen to kill me instantly, like
an aneurysm or something I dont consider that. I guess, yeah, I think
maybe my heart is just going to stop [smiles and then laughs]
AF: Yeah. Right! Have you had a father and a mother that you knew or know?
P:
Well, I was adopted actually
AF: [Presses his lips together and nods]

P:
and I have met my mother,
AF: Uh huh
P:
my actual mother. I have known her for three or four years
AF: Mm Uh huh Ha! And the father? You dont know

P:
[Shakes his head from side to side] I never met him
AF: much about him.

P:
No, and in fact I think my mother doesn't know too much either so it's pretty,
you know
AF: [Looking to the side] Aha[Looking at P] I'll tell you in a minute

P:
[nods looking at him]
AF: why I asked you if you knew them because [looks in front and shakes his
head from side to side, in my interpretation of these signals thinking to
himself] you described something in a very interesting way aaa but
um don't know the father and the mother a! [Looks at P] What do you
know about heart attacks? Have you ever seen anybody with a heart attack
actually?
P:
No. I dont think I actually ever have, maybe in uh
AF: Movies or something

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P:
Yeah, I'm thinking CPR training, though of course it's not somebody really
having a heart attack, just actors [smiles]
AF: Yeah, yeah

P:
I worked in a hospital I guess, but I dont think I have actually ever

witnessed a heart attack
AF: Uh-huh. You worked in a hospital

P:
Yeah
AF: When was that?

P:
When? It may have been fifteen years ago
AF: [Nods]
P:
I was a thug, you know, a wrestler [laughs]
AF: You were a wrestler?

P:
Yeah, I was a wrestler in a hospital
AF: A wrestler
P:
Yeah, a wrestler, yeah
AF: In the hospital?

P:
In the hospital
AF: What does a thug do What does that mean?

P:
Well, you know, I keep people in the psyche ward
AF: Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

P:
and out of the emergency room [smiles]
AF: Aha! Oh oh ohYou worked in the psyche ward

P:
Yeah. Well, not specifically but that was part of the job
AF: Fascinating!
P:
Yeah.
AF: How come you worked in the psyche ward? How did you get there?
P:
Well, I mean I just had the job wrestling, really, basically, and that's just the
place where you get called most of the time.
AF: [Looks at P with his mouth open]

P:
But it was still over the entire hospital if they need somebody wrestled then,
you know, they would buzz
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AF: Oh my god! That was your job?

P:
[laughs]
P:
Yes! Pretty much, yeah
AF: And you would go and you would grab somebody, hold them down so they
dont get too wild
P:
Yeah, right
AF: Mm [looks out to the side] Um hm!

AF: And have you always had these panic attacks? When do you remember
them coming on first?
P:
Well Um [looks up and to the side for a few seconds then looks down
while talking] When I got diagnosed with panic and depression, these
things, it was probably twelve years ago perhaps
AF: [Looks to the side and nods]

P:
[Looks at AF whos now looking at him] At that point I recognized "Oh! I

probably had panic attacks like this before." You know, I recall one time, I
guess when I was a kid, and it was very specific.
AF: [Nods]
P:
I can still recall because I associate it with some songs that were playing on
the radio
AF: [Smiles]
R:
Hm!
P:
I was trying to go to sleep one night and I had this I couldn't fall asleep but
I was sort of in that in between state
AF: [Nods]
P:
and I just had this sensation [repeats same motion as in the very beginning
of hands coming up along the front of his body up to about the level of his
chest and then opening up with his palms facing the ceiling] I was
suffocating, you know, I just could not breath.
AF: Um hum
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P:
And I remember on that occasion I woke up my parents, and [raises his

hands like before] "Something is terribly wrong" [voice more intense] you
know,
AF: [presses his lips together and nods, in my interpretation of these signals,
agreeing with P]
P:
and they were like Well, you know, you look OK. Just sit up for a while and
it was all fine. I relaxed. But when I think about it I think yeah, I probably
have been having some experiences like that. That was probably pretty
intense, relatively
AF: [voice low volume raising a bit toward the end of his sentence] Yeaaah
P:
You know, I think I had minor experiences like that all the time when I was a
kid
AF: Yeah.
P:
and I just did not really think to say anything of it.
AF: Yeah.
P:
I didn't identify it as any particular, you know, experience X, sort of outside

of what people talk about.
AF: I see. Right. And how old where you? Ten or something like that?
P:
I think that was about ten, yeah, maybe I was a little older during that time
but I can remember other times
AF: Well, if you can think of a child suffocating, why would a childI of course it
is biological, panic attacks are partly biological and that's why the
medications actually help some of the time but what other reasons could a
child have to be panicked?
P:
Well, you could probably argue that there are few reasons anybody ever
has to panic
AF: Yeah right

P:
[Looks ahead staying silent]
AF: Right, aha You can't imagine that Yeah.

P:
Well I mean, you know, I can't point out anything in my immediate you
know, stuff that I can think of that would be actual cause for panic
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AF: Did your p

P:
if there is an actual cause
AF: Right. Did your parents ever do anything that would be making you scared
or panicky?
P:
I dont think so They were very gentle
AF: Oh! [loud]

P:
they were really umI think I was a little beyond them, the way I was, they
didn't quite know what to do with me
AF: How come? [With a laugh in his voice and a smile]

P:
Um I dont know I was a pretty precocious sort of child and really curious,
and I don't know [laughs]
AF: and they didn't know what to do with that!

P:
Well, you know, I think it was new to them. I was their first kid, so
AF: [Smiling] Oh my god! And you had all these questions!

P:
[Laughs] Sure I had!
AF: [Smiling] You wanted to know about everything?

P:
Yeah
AF: [Closing his eyes and nodding] Right! Aha sothe sense of panic now
let's say well maybe I should ask this actually first, that is, so the
medications are working and you're happy with that
P:
[Tilts his head to the right and puts his lips together, in my interpretation of
his signals saying something like, "Not really"]
AF: [Nods] and that's what you will be staying with for a while, for the moment
P:
Yeah, for the moment, sure. I mean I guess I wouldn't say happy overall.
Um I dont have any intrinsic problems with drugs or the idea of them but
uhif I take Xanax, if I feel extremely anxious, or if I panic and I take Xanax
I feel pretty dead for a day, not really as sharp
AF: It cools you out a lot

P:
Yeah, and I like to keep my mind pretty stimulated. I probably actually quite
enjoy being close [his eyebrows go up, his eyes open wide and shine and
his mouth opens up to a big smile] to panic [nods] actually [still smiling]
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AF: [Smiles] Yeah! I can understand that

P:
It's sort of an excitement to me.
R:
Hm
AF: Let's do that. Let's imagine being close to panic and I think that's better than
actually being in a panic. Is that OK to do?
P:
Yes, it certainly is better than being in a panic [Laughs]
AF: Oh gosh I know. Is it OK to talk about it and get closer to it?

P:
[Nods] Oh yes, sure, sure
AF: Uh I think it is because I see you and look physically good. I'm going to
tell Lily also what I'm thinking, [turns to R] John has it together, as a whole,
very unusually I think, and I'm interested in what I have just said with him, I'd
like to explore getting a little closer to that panic and seeing what if anything
would happen, [to P] and I dont know how used to this kind of thing you are
[to R] but we'll play with it a little bit without it being too scary.
P:
Um hum, um hum.
AF: So, let's imagine

P:
[Smiles]
AF: if you can that we're closer to now since I dont know much about the
experience, I've never had a panic attack, maybe you could describe the
feelings I might have if I were actually near a panic attack. You know about
it but I dont really know yet.
P:
Um hm
AF: So, my heart is racing a little bit, or?

P:
What do I notice first? I think, you know and it is even sort of happening as I
think about it
AF: Yeah
P:
clammy palms, sweaty palms [has lifted his hands with his palms facing
upward and closed his fingers rubbing the surface of the palm] but maybe
chills at the same time. I might be sweating but cold, feet cold
AF: Yeah, oh I see. Yeah, just talking about it brings it out a little bit
P:
and hyper-alertness
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AF: [Tilts his head back, raises his eyebrows and points his finger, as I interpret
the signals saying something like, "Yes. That!"]
P:
It's hard to say what's first because since I started having like panic attacks
[snaps fingers] that I knew Oh! That's a panic attack and bang [louder
voice] it can come on like that, ever since then I'm very aware of like Oh I'm
really excited!.
AF: [Smiles]
P:
Am I about to panic? Mm No, I guess not. But any time there'd be some
sort of
AF: [Nods]
P:
any kind of arousal response I'd think Oh! Am I about to panic? No." You
know, I'd be checking all the time.
AF: Sure
P:
So there's a hyper awareness of my state but that sort of happens to be one

of the first things too, sort of a hyper alertness of, you know, very activated
AF: Looking, catching, watching, am I?

P:
Yeahand that seems to be the first thing to notice. Probably by that time
my heart is racing and I'm certainly sympathetically activated and
AF: And you're really hyper aware and watching right there in the beginning of
the first spot, right, just beginning Now, what kinds of things would arouse
it?
P:
AF: You said there's an arousal around.

P:
Well, I mean it could be, it could seem to me like at times where its just
come out of the blue, I haven't been able to put my finger on what it was
AF: [Nods] Ok
P:
And certainly I am aware of, I can be in kind of a general state where I'm
closer to it, you know, where I'm more prone. I dont know if I've ever
identified any particular [shakes his head from side to side]
AF: I understand. OK, so let's say, now I dont want you to have to feel all of this
but if that panic attack without drugs could have its way I don't want it to
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have its way but if it could really take over, let's say my mind, ordinary
mind, what would it do to me if it could go even further
P:
[Nods] Um hum, um hum
AF: than it goes with you.

P:
[Looks to the side for a second and then back at AF]
AF: Like I would like [Lifts his arms out in front of him shaking them] really
start freaking out
P:
[Nods and smiles] Um hum, um hum
AF: and what would really happen to me? I can imagine being really really
scared [tilts his head down, lifts his arms out in front of him shaking them]
P:
[Nods]
AF: Oh, my god! Am I going to die? My heart is going very very fast
P:
Um hum, hum
AF: If could continue on even a couple of steps further, what would be the most
interesting, worst or best or whatever thing that would happen to me?
P:
It's interesting you say worst or best! You know there is like a cognitively
it's like ayou know, extreme obsessiveness, there's something [lifts his
right hand up to the level of his chest tensing his fingers] and you cannot get
this out of your mind [smiles], although it really isn't any particular thought
but it's something,
AF: Intensive
P:
yeah, you're completely enraptured by this thing, and there is this really bad
sense [laughs] that something terrible is going to happen
AF: Something terrible and if that terrible thing did happen what would it be?
Would it be death or something?
P:
Well, that might be the fear, yeah but um well, as I talk about it this way
I'm associating it a little bit with other states I've had
AF: [Points his finger at P and nods in my interpretation of the signals saying
something like "that's it"]
P:
not necessarily panic but certainly very weird sort of states
AF: [Looks down and nods]

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P:
and I would describe it like um it's almost as if though in the panic I can
be obsessed by the void [lifts his hands up to the level of his chest, palms
facing upward making a motion, in my interpretation as if saying something
like "I don't know what to call it] you know, to use a term,
AF: [Smiles] Mm
P:
I can't point to it [smiles] you know, it seems likeum
AF: Obsessed by the void

P:
the present moment is just falling off into nothingness, you know
AF: Yes, yes Yes, I do know.

P:
Yeah
AF: That I have had

P:
Yeah.. and that is not necessarily bad
AF: Not at all!

P:
because it doesnt actually fall off but when you realize it's all moving like
that
AF: and it did! Let's pretend for a moment that the present moment [closes his
eyes and looks in front of him] a does kind of, I love [smiles, still with eyes
close] how you say that so poetically, falls off into nothingness [nods and
smiles]
P:
[Looking at him smiling] Yeah
AF: and that would happen.

P:
[Nods]
AF: Let's explore that for a moment.

P:
Maybe it can't, you know, [laughs] maybe it really can't
AF: It can't really, [leans forward toward him] but if it could [smiles, eyes shining]
P:
[Nods] Yeah, yeah
AF: that's the panic and ecstasy

P:
[Eyebrows go up]
AF: and all of that

P:
Mmm!
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AF: If you were to go into the void, if you and I and Lily, or even just to imagine
it, or experience a little bit of that, into emptiness, let's go there for a minute
P:
Well, it's just annihilation, all gone [voice loud suddenly] [laughs]
AF: Nothingness
P:
[Nods smiling] Yeah
AF: and then?

P:
Well, you know, I don't think that can actually happen.
AF: Aha!
P:
you know, like as soon as the
AF: Would it be like death you mean or something?

P:
Well, I dont know what I think that is either [shakes his head from side to
side]
AF: [Looks at him with eyes wide open, then looks down nodding his head up
and down]
P:
It's more like the fear of nothingness
AF: Oh, I understand! I got an idea. [Reaches over to the corner] I'm trying to
find some paper here Oh! Look what I have! [Brings out a very small block
of paper and a black crayon] If you were to make a picture, I should have
more paper but I have a little one I can give you.
P:
[laughs]
AF: [Laughs] If you were to make a sketch of your suspicion of what

nothingness might look like,
P
[Smiles from ear to ear and takes the pad and black crayon and then
laughs!]
AF: [Looking down at the floor] It's just a body sense [lifts his hands up in the air]
so it's hard to
P:
Yeah [looks to the side]
AF: [Still looking at the floor, playing with his little pad of paper in front of him]
Experience nothingness just a teeny bit, and imagine it and just let your
body do something weird [shakes his hand in an abrupt motion]
P:
Yeah, I dont know[Folds his arms in front of his chest]

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AF: Ill do something.

P:
[Smiles]
AF: Of course I dont have the same thing but this is what mine [makes a
quick drawing]
P:
Mm
AF: [Adds one more line and 2 dots with spontaneous movements]
P:
[Smiles]
AF: That's my nothingness

P:
Hm Yeah [goes for his paper] I think maybe like, a [picks up a crayon]
you know maybe its like in a cartoon, this is what I'm actually seeing, it's not
like the nothingness, but heres a cloud [draws a cloud] a puff of nothing
because somebody has just run off the page [makes a quick motion with his
hands flying to his left]
AF: Yes! Yes!

P:
and they're not in the picture anymore [looks at AF]
AF: Yes Yes

P:
the nothingness is actually out here [points on the floor, past the edges of
his paper, all around the paper] after the cloud disappears
AF: Ooohh
P:
but this [points to the cloud on his drawing] is the edge where everything
that has fallen off into nothingness and it's just "poof" [brings hands together
in the center in front of him and opens them wide to the sides in a quick
motion]
AF: Poof! [loud!]

P:
Cloud
AF: Cloud
P:
Chaos
AF: Yeah
P:
It's falling apart
AF: Nothings left, just emptiness?
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P:
Well, you know, that's the sensation at the end of it, but I dont know how I'll
ever get there. I dont' know if anything really can fall off into nothingness.
AF: I dont know either but I want to explore it.

P:
Yeah. OK
AF: So I'm going to do it.

P:
[Nods emphatically]
AF: My sensations of emptiness, when I have some of that, it happens about

once a year or something like that, especially after long distance running
P:
[Nods]
AF: Like, poof! [Closes his eyes and is silent for a few seconds] It's just a quiet
inside of me
P:
[Looking at him] Um hum
AF: and nothing happening at least temporarily, then weird stuff starts
popping up in my head!
P:
Um hum
AF: How about you? What do you think would happen to you if you actually get
there?
P:
Well, I mean I've had experiences that are, you know, where it's right
there and sometimes these are occurring with panic, although it's
certainly not a characteristic of every panic attack I have.
AF: What sort of experiences are they?

P:
I dont know how to put it exactly Is there a word for What's that kind of
experience where you see maybe off to the side of everything happening
and you can seeyou know, everything is not just falling into nothingness,
it's coming out of it too!
AF: Yes!
P:
and you see sort of like primordial forms coming out of nothingness that fall
together into more ordered things, and they become the things that make up
this solid moment, including my thoughts, and then they disintegrate back
into less ordered forms and ultimately into chaos and often into nothing
again.
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AF: Mm
P:
What is the word for that [looks into the camera, puts his finger on his cheek
tapping it, in my interpretation making the signal that people often make to
represent thinking] kind of experience? [Laughs, in my interpretation with a
slight irony, and folds his hands in front of his chest] I dont know what to
call it.
AF: Well, physicists call it the Big Bang

P:
[Looking to the side] The Big Bang, yeah I think thats going on right now.
AF: [Nods]
P:
I think that's what's happening right now. I say I think that right now
because I'm not really experiencing it that way.
AF: [Smiles and nods]

P:
Everything is all pretty solid. But that happens. It's sort of a sense of
alienated awareness, like it doesnt feel like it's a part of any of the actual
things, I mean it is, but it's apart somehow as well.
AF: Wonderful
P:
Yeah. That's not bad.
AF: Yeah, I like that.

P:
But I mean I've had moments of that kind of an experience that's terrifying,
just terrifying to me
AF: It is, it is, but it is OK. You're like ayou're a meditator and these are, other
Peoples would have called these spiritual experiences.
P:
Oh, I think of it that way, sure. [Brings his left foot up to his right hip and sits
back up on the pillow straightening his back]
AF: I think they are, and you're a little shy about them, about having them
without panic attacks.
P:
Yeah that would be great! [Smiles and straightens his back even more so
that it's completely straight now]
AF: Yeah! [Points at P's body] Thats right! You're sitting in the right way!
P:
[Smiles]
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AF: It would make you happy every now and then just to be in contact with other
people, or just by yourself and just to be empty.
P:
[Nods]
AF: Empty mind and let things just bubble up and float back down again or take
off away
P:
Yeah but the experience of, "there is no thing, there is no solidity anywhere"
AF: I understand
P:
There is nothing that can be pointed to that isnt in fact something that is
happening, some process theres a certain kind of (unward?) quality to
that
AF: [Nods]
P:
I dont know. It wasnt typical to me [smiles], you know, in my lifetime.
AF: Its not?

P:
Well it wasnt, it wasnt. Well, I mean, you could say that it probably is
AF: [Looks at him, presses his lips, opens his eyes wider and nods, in my
interpretation of his signals saying something like "that's right, it is typical"]
P:
Of course. How could anybody actually ever
AF: [Points finger at him, in my interpretation saying something like, "there you
go"]
P:
be separated from that..
AF: I think that you are like a spiritual seeker

P:
Sure
AF: and that this is characteristic of you and it hasnt been forwarded or
accepted and so it has to come out all by itself
P:
[Nods] Yeah
AF: without other people really supporting it in you.

P:
[Nods]
AF: That's what it feels like, very much

P:
Yeah. That sounds right.
AF: Does that sound right?

P:
Sure [Nods]
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AF: I dont know you very well but I can Does that sound possible?
P:
Sure yeah. I would think of it that way I guess but that's not necessarily the
panic either.
AF: No. This is not panic but this is what panic would bring you to. It may be one
of the background reasons for the panic. Maybe
P:
Yeah. Once Carol (pseudonym a Process Work student, friend of his who
told him about this research) asked me to draw a picture of my panic or to
sort of physically try to embody the experience and I dont think of the panic
as any kind of entity but you know I could draw a picture of it [smiles]
AF: What did you draw?

P:
Well, it was a sort of an[turns page on his pad, takes the black crayon and
starts drawing] angry looking bundle of static, kind of a cloud and it was
active and it had angry eyebrows on it and it was like static electricity or
steel wool and it's all very
AF: Thats great! God, look at that! Thats a great one!

P:
But it's a thing that's sort of holding me it's like holding me and making me
look at something
AF: Aha!
P:
And I have had an interpretation, at times that "Well, this is just the spiritual
thing" but some part of me is reluctant or you know timid or afraid or
something like that!
AF: [Nods emphatically]

P:
But some other part of me says, "No. No. You need this right now! And I'm
like But dont want to do that," you know
AF: Yeaaah!
P:
But you know, there it is anyway!
AF: Yeah! Lets say I'm this [points at his drawing] big terrible monster sort of
thing standing and I grab you and I say to you [looking in front of him not at
P directly] This is for you now. Now is the moment that you have to"
What?
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P:
[Eyebrows go up in my interpretation of the signal expressing his own

wondering about that]
AF: [closes his eyes and stays silent for a few seconds and then opens them
and looks at P] that you have to experience this empty mind thing
P:
Mm! Yeah
AF: [Looking in front of him rather than P] "Now you have to do it!" [Makes a
small pushing motion in the air with his hands]
P:
[Smiles]
AF: "I understand you're reluctant, you're acting like a normal person
P:
[Laughs]
AF: [Looking at P] and you are a normal person [looking in front of him] but I
want you to have this. You gotta do this"
P:
[Eyebrows raise and nods, in my interpretation of the signals as if saying

"right"]
AF: [Looking at P] What would you do?

P:
Well, you know, I dont know.
AF: Maybe we should reverse those roles. Do you think you feel that you can
act that [points at the drawing] out for a second, like a kid?
P:
Yeah, this is what I was sort of doing you know with Carol and what is it
that's holding me, because I came up with that then that something holding
me, it's making me look at something, or it's sort of focusing me on
something that maybe I dont want to
AF: [Moves a little bit closer and extends his hand bringing it closer to P and
says in a child-like playful way] Maybe you can do those angry eyebrows
and grab my wrist.
P:
[Laughs and grabs AF's arm with both his hands]
AF: That's it! Wrestling!

P:
[Laughing and holding on!]
AF: [Laughing] That's it! Oh! The wrestler! The thug! [Loud voice]
P:
Yeah, that's right but [keeps his grab on AF's arm steady and pulls. AF is
giving him some resistance]
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AF: You got me!

P:
I'm not sure what to show you but there's something
AF: Yeah!
P:
You can't just go and have your ideas [still pulling AF's arm toward himself
while AF is trying to pull away]
AF: I'm a normal guy, I dont know if I want all of that!

P:
[Laughs and nods]
AF: Who are you?

P:
[Shakes his head from side to side, still holding on to AF's arm pulling him
toward himself, with a loud voice] You're not a normal guy. You're going to
get rid of all these silly ideas and just
AF: What silly ideas?

P:
That you know what anything is or
AF: You're gonna make me nuts.

P:
[Laughs]
AF: [Pulling his arm toward himself] You'll make me nuts

P:
[Pulling AF's arm toward himself] No, you wont be nuts. You'll be
enlightened
AF: Yeah
P:
Youll be rid of all these false ideas You will
AF: Oh my god but who are you and how did you get to be such a strong
[pulls his arm toward himself, P pulls back] thug over there that [points at
the angry eyebrows of the drawing] looks at me like that?
P:
I'm really just a part of you that knows you need this, you know?
AF: Mm Um hum
P:
[Pulls on AF's arm again and again and laughs]
AF: [Laughing] You're laughing!

P:
[Let's go of AF's arm] Well, l you know
AF: What? That's good! That's funny!

P:
[Nods]
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AF: If you could stay there just one more minute [Extends his hand back in
front of P] Put your [P grabs his arm again] You know you need thisSay it
as if you knew what you were talking about
P:
[Pulling on AF's arm] As if I know what I am talking about
AF: Yeah, tell me I need this.

P:
You need this. I'm not sure what to say
AF: Why? [loud]

P:
[Pulling AF's arm] It's why you are here. This is it.
AF: Uh huh. While I'm here this is it?

P:
[Pulling AF's arm] It's why you're here
AF: This is why I am here? My god

P:
[Pulling AF's arm] Look at it. It's terrifying, the nothingness
AF: Ok, I will. I'll take a moment and not struggle with you. Ill just listen to your
direction and do it. [Looks in front of him] OK, just direct me.
P:
[Let's go of AF's arm] Just go ahead
P:
Well, this is not panic any more.,,
AF: No, it's not panic but just go ahead and continue fiercely directing me, and
I'll follow, like I do,
P:
[Leans forward laughing]
AF: and I won't struggle with you. You just direct me. I won't resist. Just for a
minute
P:
All right
AF: I have to look at something

P:
Look at it there. There is nothing. All this stuff that you think your world is
made up of is just your mind attaching things together, assembling them,
nothing more. You could say it's an illusion but that doesn't mean it's not
there or that it'll go away but it's really made up of nothing, it's just all
nothing.
AF: Ugh wow

P:
[Smiles and laughs]
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AF: [Touches P's knee lightly with one finger, in my interpretation of the signal
as if telling him to continue]
P:
Now doesnt that shake up all those ideas and you really can't sustain any
of them any more
AF: It does but keep teaching.

P:
Hm
AF: You're doing something right but I can't say what it is yet
P:
[Laughs]
AF: I dont know either [touches his knee in my interpretation to communicate

with him that they are both in the unknown] but it feels right [looks at P from
the corner of his eyes, respectful tone of voice]
P:
[Laughter leaves, in my interpretation of the signals, a nervousness goes

and a calmness, respect and valuing of the moment comes] Yeah
AF: Just talk to me. I like hearing it.

P:
Uh huh, uh-huh
AF: Did you say, shake up all those ideas you dont know?
P:
Right
AF: Just say..

P:
You dont know what you think you know. You dont know what things are.
You dont know what you are
AF: I dont know who I am and what I am

P:
Right And all of a sudden there is this awareness that seems to suddenly
be intrinsic because
AF: Yes, that's all I am

P:
it can't be coming out of the stuff, that's all transient
AF: Right. I'm just there. It's just awareness, it's just there.
P:
Um hm
AF: And that's it. That stuff isnt the point.

P:
Right.
AF: Am I getting your lesson?

P:
I dont know if I've gotten my lesson

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AF: OK, I'm going to say the same things to you. I'm a physicist and just recently
I've been studying a lot about the origins of the universe, you're really
talking to the right person, when you give me these lesson. These are things
that are very interesting to me. So I'm going to give you now the lesson
back.
P:
Ok
AF: Lets switch roles.

P:
Alright
AF: And I'll play with you a little bit like that. Is that OK?
P:
Ok!
AF: So, [puts his left hand on P's right knee and grabs it for a second while he
slaps lightly but briskly with his right hand P's left knee and then keeps his
left hand on P's right knee for another few seconds]. Listen here. I'm giving
you [brings his left hand back on P's right knee, grabbing it with his fingers
giving him a quick, abrupt, strong tiny shake, in my interpretation mirroring
the forceful energy of the figure that creates that panic] a lesson. You've got
to hear this. Every now and then give up the idea that you are even a
person, you're just awareness. I can't approach you except to panic you,
you're such a stubborn
P:
Uh hum
AF: and strong normal person in some ways I have to shake

P:
[Eyebrows go up]
AF: the living shit out of you

P:
[small laugh]
AF: Then I get you sometimes, and I'm still here now. Now you're getting it.
P:
[Nods]
AF: Now you're getting it, I can see that [points to P's nodding head]
P:
Um hum, um hum
AF: Yeah, you're getting it. You're not just a person. The normal world isn't as
normal as it looks. Even recollect and let things recollect themselves again
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when they really want and let go of those too every now and then. Umph
[puts out his hands, his palms in fists and shakes them once].
P:
That makes me feel like I am living in bad faith
AF: What does that mean?

P:
Well, I mean in my day to day world I dont live as though
AF: I understand
P:
that place of awareness were
AF: Everything
P:
the thing, yeah.
AF: That's it.

P:
So I forget about it and the significance of it
AF: [Nods emphatically]

P:
and pretend again for a while that all my ideas are the world that I'm living
in.
AF: Sure. You go back to being a normal guy. But you've got a gift, kind of, like
a teaching, a teacher sort of thing in there [points to the drawing]
P:
[Raises his eyebrows]
AF: that says Poof!

P:
Um hum.
AF: and that we are just awareness. It's interesting, today I've been working with
people who are just right near death so I'm actually right in the mood for
teaching about that, myself.
P:
Um hum, um hum.
AF: that's all you have then, and it makes people happy to know that. They have
their awareness and they'll go with it, wherever.
P:
[Nods]
AF: You're knowing that now. You have an early dosage of this spiritual thing.
P:
Yeah but then why the terror sometimes?
AF: Well, because you're normal!

P:
[Laughs]
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AF: You're resisting it. You're like a normal human being. It has to come on [if
he competed his sentence I think he would have said something like
"forcefully, to "kill" so to speak your attachment to what you perceive as the
"real" world so it can make space in you to perceive and be aware of this
other reality simultaneously too] Like you've done what you need to do to
live in this world, you have to adapt, you did all this and that you gotta do
and more and are doing it but this other thing doesn't want to be forgotten.
P:
[Nods]
AF: That has to knock you out almost to get to you.

P:
Sure.
AF: Well, has till now

P:
Yeah
AF: I don't know that that will always be the case. That's not the case at all.
P:
Yeah. I spend a lot of time exploring that, at least getting close to that.
Although I think there is a sort of intensity to it that I remember experiencing
once when I was really trying to do something, you know, loosen up
something, and it was very terrifying. This was since I've been having panic
attacks. In many ways I feel like I just have to go back there, you know, and
I am really afraid to.
AF: Oh, are you? You dont seem to be. I grab you [repeats the motion of
grabbing his knee that he was doing before when he was playing the panic
creator] and tell you to do it and you seem almost at home to me.
P:
Yeah, sure, I guess that makes sense too, but I dont know, maybe I am
afraid to. I don't know... Maybe
AF: Little dosages of it is what I Ah! Now comes the therapist in me! He just
woke up!
P:
[Nods] Yeah!
AF: I was just enjoying playing with you before but now my mind is working a
little bit. I dont know if it's going to be worth anything but it's working. If I
were you, [turns from P and lowers his head so that his chin is closer to his
chest] well, I am you a little bit but if I really were you [looks at P] I would
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take three minutes a day and do this, and just say awareness is all I am,
and let go of the other stuff just for a moment.
P:
I think I walk around like that [laughs]
AF: I'll bet you do!

P:
more than three minutes a day. It's kind of an obsession.
AF: Oh really?
P:
Oh sure but I mean the idea might be the obsession
AF: not the experience.

P:
not the experience.
AF: You're not experiencing it quite. It has to obsess you and possess you
P:
When I was in college I was a philosophy major
AF: [Turns his head in front and smiles] Ts...! [Sighs]

P:
and now the fact of some of these experiences
AF: [Nods]
P:
are really just unraveling everything.
AF: [Smiles] Philosophy major! What else? Thats great!

P:
Sometimes it seems like there is this realization that to go all the way, so to
speak, into that kind of experience or realization is to it would destroy this
world that I've spend my whole life, like waking up from a dream. It's like I've
gotten close enough to that and I'm like, I dont know if I want to wake up
yet.
AF: Yeah [acceptance in the tone of his voice]

P:
I mean that's going to happen sooner or later, right?
AF: Right!
P:
I won't be able to avoid it.
AF: I like that attitude. That's right.

P:
But then I'm kind of lost because it seems like for so long that's all I thought
was worthwhile.
AF: No kidding
P:
In a way I think I made a desert out of a decade of my life because I just

was not interested in any of the forms, you know.
437
AF: Ah! You're coming out now! I thought that that was there! Oh, I see! Oh
really?!
P:
Well I dont know, maybe it was all worthwhile.
AF: Well, the two worlds together is more fun

P:
[Nods]
AF: As you said so beautifully, I think, you said that there is this nothingness and
that things just arise out of it and fall back into it. I dont know, I live a lot of
my day working with people with that in mind. It makes it easier.
P:
Sure
AF: It makes me actually more relaxed, the closer I am to that.

P:
Yeah, me too but, I mean, it makes interfacing with a lot of people in the
world really difficult you know, because it's just like, this is all meaningless.
This is completely meaningless.
AF: [To R with a big smile] A spiritual seeker! Lily! [To P] I'm sorry! I just had to
say that!
P:
[Smiles]
AF: In the background is a spiritual seeker! That's like amazing! You were just
saying that it's hard to interact with people because they're not where you
are most of the time.
P:
Yeah, sure, or they might be some of the time but like the concepts and sort
of things that people take so seriously, "this is the ground of our world," you
know, but it's just arbitrary to me
AF: I know. You're talking to the right person about that. I'm totally with you.
Wonderful! Yeah, that is probably why you also like massage
P:
Sure yeah, yeah, it's a very .
AF: You help people to space out

P:
Um hum
AF: and feel things that they are shy about otherwise or something.
P:
Yeah, I mean I dont know how to put it really but you're really just working
with the stuff that is there. I mean I guess you always are, how can you not
be?
438
AF: Mm.. how wonderful

P:
It's not conceptual. Maybe that's what I like about massage. There's
certainly a lot of abstractions going on but you don't have to have them.
AF: [Going back and forth between P and R] I have to relate this to Lily because
this is like You could say, and it's really true John is somebody who has
had or has some panic phenomena but you can hardly differentiate that
from the deepest part of his he's a sort of spiritual character. That's the
way he is. Other people look at that as a problem. I look at that as a gift that
he's shy about and working on, and it will take him the next 80 or 100 years
P:
[Laughs]
AF: to play with and forget and remember!

P:
Or longer! [laughs]
AF: Or longer
P:
Maybe many lifetimes [laughs]
AF: You are really!

P:
[Laughs]
AF: I'm with you all the way there! Well we have another 5 minutes or so
together to talk about anything, or ask questions, or go further together.
What would be good for any of us here?
P:
Well if I can exploit the whole time
AF: Yeah, exploit it, please

P:
Well I suppose now my whole view is integrating this sort of thing.
AF: [Nods] That's right!

P:
In many ways these experiences are the meaning of my life
AF: Ah I'm so glad to hear that. That's wonderful.

P:
Um
AF: Yeah, integrating them.

P:
but they have almost no integration.
AF: I understand they come on as a panic. So, integrating them. Good. Where is
the place you integrate them least? Let's start there. Imagine yourself during
439
the day when you are totally as far away from what we are talking about as
a human being.
P:
I dont know if I can think of a time during the day but maybe explaining my
motivations to somebody
AF: Right. To a normal mainstream sort of character

P:
Right you know or a
AF: Like Mr business man or something

P:
Right because I mean I feel very closely connected to those experiences

then simple because they're not part of there's something that makes me
feel close to it even though it's a frustrating kind of thing, "this is where I'm
coming from," but there's just no reflection out there. There doesnt seem to
be the language
AF: but I find your language is totally

P:
You might already have some of that
AF: I feel the same way. I mean, just about everybody I know, well, a lot of
people have some interests in that
P:
Yeah. I guess I dont mean that I'm actually frustrated by talking by

peopleI mean
AF: You are!

P:
I mean I am but it has often very rewarding too.
AF: If I were you, I'm going to recommend something, that when you talk with
people that you actually make this a little tiny bit of a focus. Just say, You
know, I'm really interested in going very deep to the area where there's
sometimes almost no form Now, some of your clients wont be interested
in this, it's too dangerous for them or whatever but that's how to make a
really good relationship with somebody
P:
Well, but then I'll come at it from the point too, you know, I suppose I use
the word I all the time but I dont really believe it points to anything, you
know,. There's nothing in my experience that that actually points to. I mean
in my direct experience, you know, its just pointing off like into the back
closet, you know, where the nothing really is.
440
AF: I understand.
P:
I try to approach people with that kind of idea too, maybe it's just a different
way towards the same kind of it's still pointing at this sort of intrinsic
awareness idea
AF: Thats the basic thing, I think. That's the only thing I know. In recent times,
for example, I've been exploring the middle of the night.
P:
Um hum
AF: I'll get up, take a pee sometimes, but just get up, for a minute, and just
explore what's happening to me, and I am amazed that what I notice is
awareness
P:
[Nods]
AF: even in the most primal stages of unconsciousness it's just wonderful.
P:
Um hum
AF: And I just sit with that and I watch things get created. I thought you were just
talking to me about that. It's about Dreaming. The Australian aboriginal
people use the word Dreaming to refer to that. But talking to these people
about it a little bit. Do you have somebody you're close to?
P:
Sure, well, I don't know exactly what you mean
AF: Nobody who's more intimate?

P:
Well, I dont have a partner.
AF: This is how to find somebody close to you

P:
[Nods]
AF: by talking about this stuff. I think this is the most intimate thing to talk about.
P:
Sure , yeah. I think I have dreams of somebody who like already

understands this.
AF: Yeah! Oh, definitely. Not everybody does but you can talk about it a little to
people that you know. Say, "I'm interested in this really deep place where
there's just awareness. Play with it a little bit. That's how to integrate it; with
relationships.
P:
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be any part of the world to me, much less (?) It
seems like a real dichotomy.
441
AF: I know
P:
or it's been that way for a while. You know?
AF: I think I do. That's what makes me write so many books because I'm
frustrated by that fact. So talking to people about it... What do you think Lily
when you hear us talking?
R:
[To P] You said something about a desert and I was wondering, did you
mean that for a while you were really just being in this state of being more
connected with the world that has no form, rather than being in this world?
P:
Yeah right. So my being here was neglected you might say
R:
So, how to bring the two together
AF: He is there, has been there but he likes also being a normal person, but not
only. Being just a normal person is depressing! That's what depression is all
about. If you have to be normal all the time
P:
Hm!
AF: I would be depressed

P:
Some part of me is afraid of becoming, you know, just some homeless crazy
person [laughs]
AF: [Laguhs]
P:
because I realize, you know, I realize that some other part of my mind could
just be completely fine with it! [Laughs] You know, like "Oh yeah! Why not?!
What difference does it make?"
AF: Maybe that's tied up with being adopted too. I had never thought about that.
The homeless may be part of the spiritual thing that's behind all of that.
P:
Yeah, like maybe in a way I feel homeless already. You know, I feel like, if I
dont do at least some stuff in the world, like get a job [laughs]
AF: [Smiles] You'll just be hanging out with the essence of all things all the
time
P:
Yeah right and I wouldn't do much to take care of myself.
AF: Right. So the going along is Ok, but then bring in the pieces bitwise of this,
thinking about it, giving yourself a couple of moments to relax now and
then
442
P:
Or maybe my fear of being homeless is grounded in this culture you know.
AF: I don't think you're going to be homeless

P:
No, no. I'm probably not going to become homeless but maybe if I had
these ideas and conceptions somewhere else it'd be normal.
AF: If you were in India

P:
In Tibet
AF: people would say you were a guru

P:
people would say, "Ah, yeah, well of course" [laughs]
AF: People that we work with sometimes up in Canada, First Nations People,
always talk like that, the kids talk like that: Did you not see god today and
the other one says "No!" "Just look out there in the water." "I look but there's
nothing there!" "Can't you feel it? "Oh, there it is againnature." You could
be one of the Haida people.
P:
The Haida people
AF: Have you been there?

P:
No
AF: You live there somehow

P:
Right.
AF: Yeah, you'd fit in.

P:
[Laughs] Maybe I should do that!
AF: Have you been living in Portland all this time?

P:
No. I 've been living here 5 or 6 years
AF: Where are you coming from?

P:
(City of US)
AF: How did you get here?

P:
I had a friend that I went to graduate school with and she was teaching at a
University and I just came to visit once and I was sort of driving around.
AF: You came to the right spot

P:
Yeah, it doesnt seem Well, it's just the West coast, you can say that!
AF: I like your attitude.

R:
What made you ask about his parents, whether he knew his parents?
443
P:
Oh, yeah! You'd said you were going to bring that up.
AF: Yeah! I forget now the exact words that you used, but you described
something
R:
The experience of the panic attack
AF: in such a way that it sounded to me like people that I've worked with who
didn't know their parents. But it's deeper. I think the parent thing is important
but it's not the really big thing. The big thing is that there is something that
came before the parents were even here, before the problems that as a
child arrived. That's more interesting!
P:
But I even have, and this might just be paranoia, you know if I think about
being adoptedor if you think about your life in absolute terms then it sort
of becomes a religious kind of thing, context, you know. Then I can think,
this like well this is just the way that it had to happen, you know!
AF: Yeah!
P:
This is all the way it had to happen but then I think well maybe I'm just
broken and messed up maybe because I'm adopted and something like
that, and this whole idea of spirituality to me is just an apology. You know, in
a way, like well I know I haven't really accomplished anything but here it's
because I've been doing this other really important thing
AF: That's OK to think that way. That's the normal way of thinking and the
medical way of thinking and the normal psychological way of thinking
P:
And I dont actually (believe that?) [laughs]
AF: and I would support it if I really thought it but I dont.

P:
No I dont actually either.
AF: No. This is much more interesting. You can think that way too, I'm the way I
am because I was beaten up so many times when I was a child, etc, etc,
etc, but [makes a grimace frowning]
P:
[Nods in agreement] Yeah
AF: It makes sense but it's not enough [Smiles]
444
APPENDIX I: POSSIBLE UTILIZATION OF ENTRY POINTS
In the table below, I suggest ways that an awareness facilitator could utilize the
various entry points not utilized by Mindell in these six cases studies. These
suggestions arise from my prior knowledge of the Process Work paradigm and
experience as an awareness facilitator, and are presented in the spirit of
illustrating a way of thinking.
Entry Points
Observed in Cases 1-6
Possible Utilization of Entry Points
The sense of terror coming upon her

expressed in the verbal signal of the
sound hhoooo," and the nonverbal
signals of the downward motion of a
hand and thumping of a foot.
(Case1)
The AF could ask her to make the movement and

accompanying sound using her awareness to notice and
follow her inner experiences. That is, her movement
tendencies, body sensations and any sounds, visions,
thoughts or feelings that might emerge.
The sense of not knowing what one

is afraid of. (Cases 1, 6)
The AF could ask the person to imagine the worst that

could occur.
The sense of lack of oxygen.

(Cases 2, 5, 6)
The AF could ask the person to imagine what would

deplete the oxygen in a room or to stand and look at him
self not being able to breathe and imagine what is
suffocating him.
The physical sensation of the rapid

heartbeat. (Case 3, 4)
The AF could ask the person to show in movement the

rhythm of the heartbeat.
The sense of being attacked without

warning (Case 6)
The AF could ask the person to imagine what would

attack her.
Table 4: Possible Utilization of Entry Points Not Utilized in Cases 1-6
445

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PROJECT DEMONSTRATING EXCELLENCE

DISCOVERING MEANING IN PANIC:

Popular saying by Pedro Hernandez

EVANGELIA KRINO VASSILIOU

FEBRUARY 18, 2005

The process-oriented approach is delineated in nine steps (phases of the work)

A central hypothesis, brought to the foreground by the explication of the

persons nature marginalized by the persons identity), which can be revealed by

This study describes my understanding of an area of practice in Process-oriented

Discovering Meaning in Panic:

Advanced School of Social Work

Master of Arts in Process Work: The Graduate School

February 18, 2005

By the following Doctoral Committee members:

Judith Arcana, Ph.D.

Second Core Robert McAndrews, Ph.D.

Mary Clare, Ph.D.

George Mecouch, Ph.D.

Chris Allen, Ph.D.

Jimmie St. Arnold, Ph.D.

By the Dean of the Graduate College on:

Larry M. Preston, Ph.D.

Union Institute & University

February 17, 2006

Chapter 2: Literature Review .............................................................................. 46

Chapter 3: Methodology ..................................................................................... 75

Chapter 4: The Process Work Paradigm .......................................................... 109

Chapter 5: Findings .......................................................................................... 136

Chapter 6: Discussion ...................................................................................... 211

Chapter 7: Conclusions .................................................................................... 220

Case 5: Woman with Arnold Mindell in private practice ...........................................378

Appendix I: Possible Utilization of Entry Points ................................................ 445

by the biomedical paradigm as mental disorders. As the following journal excerpt

October 19, 2000 on board to Cincinnati

developed skills that enable me to work with my experiences and gain

What keeps me going?

give me the credentials I need to stand in the world

March 10, 2001

My experiences of panic attacks were my personal point of contact with the

am describing above, for example, can be seen as a form of desensitization to

I immersed myself in reading, studying the various hypotheses on the

attacks, and that my understanding is intimately connected to and influenced by

Working in the middle of a group of people that one feels supported by is an

My panic attacks have brought me in touch with my intensity, an aspect of my

CHAPTER 1: INTRODUCTION TO PROBLEM AND STUDY

In other words, people experiencing panic attacks report experiencing

book, Anxiety and Its Disorders, especially helpful.

shaking, sweating, hot flashes or chills, nausea, numbness or tingling sensations

Panic Disorder and Agoraphobia

Epidemiology & Human Costs

Panic disorder in the clinical population.

Hirschfeld's (1996) analysis of data from the Harvard-Brown Anxiety Disorder

The following complications add to the difficulties presented by the chronicity,

Panic attacks in the general population.

the neurokinin (NK) receptors, the neuropeptide Y receptors (NPY), the

The treatment of panic disorder with anti-panic medication aims at eliminating or

tolerate. The selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors are effective in reducing

Purpose of the Study

The treatment approaches promoted by the emerging standards of care aim at