* Posts by NATTtrash

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Nanny state discovers Linux, demands it check kids' IDs before booting

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Childcatcher

Re: Comparing fruits

But the answer isn't to keep them off the internet (impossible, regressive and short sighted) the answer is that those harmful platforms have to be responsible for the harms they can and do cause.

And that is why we now have AgelessLinux (https://agelesslinux.org)

Lenovo shows off snap-together laptop with removable keyboard, screen, and ports

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Trollface

Re: Those swappable ports

Yeah, true. Had the same idea reading this. No doubt, the marketing bros ordered one, threw it on the table with PD and told them "Death! Doom! We have to do something! Otherwise I can't make any money!™" PS - Did anyone ask them how long "the support period" is going to be..? You know, like parts availability and all that triviality..?

Debian 14 will drop Gtk2 – unless Ardour rides to the rescue

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Alert

(X)sane

Looking over that list Xsane might be one that has a pretty big user following...

Ring kills Flock partnership amid surveillance scrutiny

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Black Helicopters

Re: Big Brother

flocksafety.com: Shaping the Future of Safety, Together. To solve and eliminate crime – you need evidence. Protect your community, business or school 24/7 with coverage that never sleeps.

Ed Leon Klinger, CEO, Flock: "The insurer of the future has arrived"

8 June 1949: "The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment."

Cloudflare turns websites into faster food for AI agents

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Megaphone

Re: Thanks CloudFlare...

"for making it even easier and cheaper for AI bots to steal content from websites and leaving the publishers empty handed. Who thought of this?"

FTFY. After all, we don't want them to pay (too much) for all that content, now do we?

AI can predict your future salary based on your photo, boffins claim

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Black Helicopters

Re: …what, we're back to phrenology again, aren't we?

Yes, yet another current day tick on the list of "Wait... Haven't I seen that earlier?"

Containers, cloud, blockchain, AI – it's all the same old BS, says veteran Red Hatter

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NATTtrash

Re: "Which of your bêtes noires did we miss?"

Like "We have an app for that!". "Basic life essential now available exclusively on a mobile phone near you!" And then the surprise that, if power goes, all grinds to a halt. (Here, have a sip of subscription water to swallow that.) But who cares? Like Liam and the "Grumpy Thoughtful Society™" conclude, it's all about the margin and bottom line of somebody else. But hey, you old fashioned git, you don't understand...

Linus Torvalds keeps his ‘fingers and toes’ rule by decreeing next Linux will be version 7.0

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Indeed, that is also how I understood it. Rugby for gentlemen who moisterise but still have a feeble constitution (hence all that padding and all that). But hey, we are understanding and all for inclusion! (BTW what time is the next 6 Nations game on?)

Microsoft starts the countdown for the end of Exchange Web Services

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Trollface

Re: IMAP, LDAP, CalDAV, CardDAV

What are the alternatives?

So I suppose it is about time for that broad sweeping EU initiative?

France to replace US videoconferencing wares with unfortunately named sovereign alternative

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The numerous open source efforts not good enough for the French then?

Anybody know what ever happened to the qtox/ tox protocol initiative? Can remember it worked pretty well... and since it was based on direct P2P it anticipated the MITM issue of all other conference applications (including this one?) Then again, that was, what, 10 years ago?

UK digital ID goes in-house, government swears it isn't an ID card

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Re: It's not an ID card

> ...or due to complete incompetence of the Government

Ah... You mean like earlier mentioned Europeans, doing it very "diligently" and "economically". And then discovering that what "those radicals" have been saying might... ermmm... be happening?

https://www.netherlandsworldwide.nl/digid-abroad/what-is-digid

You can use your DigiD to log in to Dutch government, care institution, educational institution and pension fund websites. It shows organisations that you are who you say you are. European login. DigiD also enables you to log in to certain organisations in other European countries.

Ooops... Wet fart..?

National security assessment only way to halt Digid takeover

Hacker News: Parliament tells Dutch government to keep DigiD data out of American hands

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2026/01/21/de-overname-van-het-bedrijf-dat-digid-regelt-is-symbool-geworden-voor-het-gebrek-aan-digitale-soevereiniteit-van-nederland-a4918266 (Dutch)

The takeover of the company that manages DigiD has become symbolic of the Netherlands' lack of digital sovereignty

A technical briefing for members of the House of Representatives about the possible takeover of Solvinity, the company that manages the ICT for DigiD, did not reassure members of the House of Representatives. The acquisition of Solvinity, the company that manages DigiD, among other services, by a much larger American counterpart, has left government officials responsible for IT for the ministries shaken. They are trying to build in safeguards in various ways to prevent the acquisition from compromising the national login system. This became clear Wednesday during a technical briefing for the House of Representatives on the planned acquisition by the American company Kyndryl. [...]

Ready for a newbie-friendly Linux? Mint team officially releases v 22.3, 'Zena'

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Re: Impressed

I too updated the box of the missus that has Mint xfce running on it. Pretty painless and quick. Ran into only 2 issues (jotted down for general benefit ;)

[1] The update can be done with the Update Manager > Edit (only GUI, no cli. Boohoo!). When clicked it came back

Please switch to another Linux Mint mirror - Your APT configuration is corrupt.

This is probably because the missus doesn't use this Update Manager, but uses apt and nala in cli. To solve, just do

sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf; sudo apt clean; sudo apt update

...and click the update option again in the Update Manager > Edit

[2] Because she has no use for it, and since it takes up quite some root partition space, the missus removed some mint theming and artwork. However, when prompting the update, mint will only update after reinstall these rather large packages (close to 1GB). This is done automatically, no additional user action needed. After update, removing again if that is your preference is not an issue:

mint-core-xfce mint-meta-core mint-backgrounds mint-cursor-themes mint-themes mint-X-icons mint-Y-icons

Microsoft Windows Media Player stops serving up CD album info

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Re: time for MusicBrainz

Indeed. And it even has a .exe ready for the Windowers (https://github.com/metabrainz/picard/releases/latest)

Debian goes retro with a spatial desktop that time forgot

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Re: Not bad

Perhaps I don't get the novelty, but...

Have 3 boxen with Trixie and xfce 4.20 here. Yes, I know, probably nothing for fluff beards and thumb typists. But...

It very much remembers icon positions. Stock. Out of the box.

So much so actually that .config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.yaml grows massively fat on all the entries/ locations it saves.

If you use your Desktop actively. Which also seems to be geriatric behaviour..? ;)))

Automakers' AI dreams may run out of road over the next five years

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Boffin

"While it may lessen the need for human labor in vehicle assembly, new roles in AI oversight, robotics maintenance, and software development could offset losses if reskilling programs are prioritized, Sandrone says. "

Free Top Gear Top Tip: Transfer all to QA..? No need to "let go", especially if you also include "Issue Resolution & Litigation" (IRL).

Locked out of your Gmail account? Google says phone a friend

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Big Brother

Re: We're not even trying to hide it anymore...

Indeed. Why spend so many valuable cycles in retrieving/ sieving out/ asking through these pesky permission settings (Is this app allowed access to your contacts?) when you can roll out the blue eyes (do no evil!) and persuade people to give you their closest contacts themselves? Roll out the contacts mapping and analyse their interactions!

Ubuntu 25.10 lands: Rustier and Wayland-ier, but Flatpak is broken

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Boffin

Re: Angst

I get what you say. And TBH you're not alone. Many, especially those making money with their boxen, have the same considerations. Although it (of course!) depends on personal needs and preferences, think about the update possibilities you have with distros like for example Mint or Debian. I did it for some going from (I think) Vanessa to Zara and (for sure) Bookworm to Trixie. Debian had some more "inter version" changes, predominantly in additional packages the user installed specifically, where Mint looked with less prompts. However, in both cases the process was pretty smooth, painless, and done in an odd hour. Don't know of course whether this would work for you, but have a think about it if you are installing fresh anyway...

Some like it bot! ChatGPT promises AI-rotica is coming for verified adults

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Re: We know what sells

This looks like an area AI might finally make money.

Yeah, well... Many of us here have been around at the beginning, when the biz types were asking us "what to do with this interwebz thing".

And pron has always been the gift that keeps giving. Although it would not surprise me if the move is also the last spasm before...

"Plop!"

As it says: Given other recent OpenAI news, it seems monetization may be the driving force for the company, which has yet to disclose profitability.

Nextcloud withdraws European Commission OneDrive bundling complaint

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...and a nice text-book example of the power of lobbying no doubt.

Amazon turns James Bond into the Man Without the Golden Gun

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Angel

Re: Missed opportunity

> ...why not replace the pistols with privates?

What? You mean Sex Pistols?

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Trollface

Re: doesn't matter really

AI generated... Will Sir Sean finally return you think? After all, there is only one Bond, no?

Microsoft moves to the uncanny valley with creepy Copilot avatars that stare at you and say your name

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Trollface

Re: Share and Enjoy…

“Your Plastic Pal who’s Fun to be with”

I know we live in the age of inclusion...

However, when I look at the picture with the avatars, I see clearly that the base and driver of internet development is missing. A break with SOP.

Perhaps you here know the answer? Where is the blond with the big boobies? Or has she grown into grandma here?

Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead? No, wait – it's on Windows

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Pint

@Tim Anderson

+1!!!

Do you mind if I have some of your tasty beverage to wash this down?

Google's dev registration plan 'will end the F-Droid project'

NATTtrash

Re: Android is dead to me.

On-line banking I do from my Debian (Linux) machine.

I do too. And experienced that for some of them that seems to be "an issue". I was "told" that I could not "be verified". Eventually I moved elsewhere, but, as always, it took a lot of time and effort, a lot of "compliance" and little "customer service and convenience", while it is uncertain how long things will keep working. I suppose a next step towards "resistance is futile"...

Many employees are using AI to create 'workslop,' Stanford study says

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Terminator

Re: So, 95% of firms see no ROI

Morpheus: We have only bits and pieces of information, but what we know for certain is that some point in the early twenty-first century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence...as we gave birth...to A.I.

Neo: A.I. - you mean Artificial Intelligence?

Morpheus: A singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines. We don't know who struck first - us, or them. But we know it was us that scorched the sky. At the time they were dependent on solar power and it was believed that they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun. Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.

(The Matrix: 1999)

Google to merge Android and ChromeOS in 2026, because AI

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Holmes

This sounds like it is just the mobile OS on the desktop.

You think? To me it sounds more like standard business practice, nothing to do with tech. Basically it is

[1] following the same strategy as Apple has, locking in users, creating the walled garden by taping all the different devices/ services together (think also Apple communication today attacking EU DMA) and

[2] as it says in the article too ""I think the opportunity for us that we see is how do we accelerate all the AI advancement that we're doing on Android and bring that to the laptop form factor as rapidly as possible, and also have the laptop and the rest of the Android ecosystem work seamlessly together?" he said on Wednesday.

[...]

But Samat said merging Google’s two OSes is mostly about AI. Like everything else this year."

The solution looking for a problem...

Microsoft insists Copilot+ PCs are 'empowering the future' – reality disagrees

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Re: +

... I search for how to disable it or otherwise make it go away.

I know the feeling. Lappie was getting pretty old (10+) so got new one. When it arrived, dd'ed it and put *nix on it. Smarty pants, right? Up to the point I tried to remap those Co-peelot keys... Left now with a couple of useless, function-less keys that don't let themselves be remapped. Are very intelligent. Push them, nothing happens. Nothing. Crickets. As usual with tech lately, turns out you pay more for less. And then we are not even going into the whole "whose your daddy" question...

Linux Mint picks up the pace with LMDE 7 and Wayland-ready Cinnamon

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: GTK3 and the Gnome team........

Perhaps that is the main issue with all this, no?

"...by customizing the options and disabling features I didn't like/need"

You being your own master, being used to "have the luxury" (apparently) to do that, and then running into "the new paradigm": "Please don’t theme our apps

Ah yeah, modern times...

Wow cancellation fee for early termination?

As if $20 a month for just illustrator isn't an overcharge to begin with, apparently they will charge you an $84 early cancellation fee.

Major kudos to Clem and his folks for "being old-fashioned"...

Microsoft Copilot shows up even when it's not wanted

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Linux Mint 22.2 polishes the desktop, but kernel updates are the real deal

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Linux

Nothing on libadapta?

https://github.com/xapp-project/libadapta

After all, many "struggle" with the GNOME "policy" and Mint comes here with a potential solution for the whole of the community.

Google kneecaps indie Android devs, forces them to register

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Pint

Re: Forced app usage

Here, have an upvote from another weird one. And then we are not even talking about the self-invited nuclear waste and drought in their future. Also not so sure about the remarks here on governments/ EU tackling this clearly monopolistic behaviour (IE any one?). Think about it, how many times do you see government, or so-called "public" apps distributed through channels other than Playstore/ AppStore?

LibreOffice 25.8: Faster, leaner, and finally speaks PDF 2.0

NATTtrash

Re: Still no usable database

My time is not free.

Well, let's hope "somebody" is not paying your time you spend on these pages here, now do we?

But, if you really want to waste some time (or have a laugh for free), why don't you try saving a document, say a docx, in Word, as a odt? You know, that ISO26300 standard? It is an option offered. After all, if you really want to have a for sure crap result, better do it with industry grade software, no?

Microsoft crams Copilot AI directly into Excel cells

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Trollface

Re: Is nothing sacred?

We have all seen people use Excel for all kinds of things it was never meant for, most likely/ preferably something non-mathematical. Now, in their quest to tailor their products to their customers needs, through focused and deliberate product development, MS has finally automated these critical processes.

...

Coffee any one?

No more Blocktoberfest? German court throws book at ad blockers

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Trollface

Re: Look at this the other way for a moment.

People engaged in internet marketing used to bleat that ad-blocking equated to theft. I suggest the opposite: internet advertising is theft.

They didn't suggest to you yet that you "can have the full, ad-free, upgraded quality service for only XX of your finest British Pounds per month?"

(Why did I have to think of this nice Black Mirror one with the IT Crowds Chris O'Dowd?)

Star leaky app of the week: StarDict

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Boffin

Re: Keepass?

If you've installed and enabled StarDict...

I saw Bobby @Linuxiac also writing about this about a week ago.

I have 2 boxen here with Bookworm and one with the daily of Trixie working up to the 9th. I checked them all, but can't find any Stardict. Am I cross eyed, or is it not installed by default? Because TBH the pieces about it seem to suggest that. Anybody have any wise words on that?

Italy says Meta may be violating law with AI in WhatsApp

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Coat

Re: "an optional element that's not on until users engage with it"

OK. So. Can you de-install it? That sounds like that somewhat old-fashioned principle of "choice", I know, I apologise....

Oh, and another silly question, sorry, but... does it use resources? You know, the power I pay for? On device storage I need to buy so I can store my family pictures? Bandwidth? So it doesn't cost me any money? Free™ you say? Ah...

The TSA likes facial recognition at airports. Passengers and politicians, not so much

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Trollface

Re: What's the current state of the art?

Nah... But be happy to see that diversity is back in the US, and TSA is hiring blind people...

The TSA had no comment at time of publication. However, it claims that facial scans are only used to match a person's image against their ID, and that pictures aren't stored "except in a limited testing environment for evaluation of the effectiveness of the technology."

Using your eyes (and brain) is sooooo last century...

How to get rid of useless keys in Windows and turn them into something helpful

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Boffin

Re: Hijacked

Not on MS but *nix. Got myself a new lappie recently, which came with W11 (never booted, immediate dd), and that one too has ever more "special" keys that seem to have been supplied to increase my intelligence.

Funny thing though: when I run xev to get their specifics so I can reassign, I get nothing back at all. A key press just does nothing. Generates no xev response. So it is not resting. It's dead. Bereft of life. A stiff. Gone to meet its maker.

Anybody here seen this before? Suggestions to have that key join the happy family (again)?

Arch Linux users told to purge Firefox forks after AUR malware scare

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Trollface

Re: Common sense should always be applied

Correction: Common sense should always be applied... BTW

What if Microsoft just turned you off? Security pro counts the cost of dependency

NATTtrash

Re: Wrong question.

Raise a hand if you heard: "Paranoid!" "Industry standard!" "Inter-connectivity and compatibility!" "Commie!"

[...]

Tell me none of your customers use Microsoft/ Google/ LinkedIn to find your services?

Completely word of mouth and cash in hand? You’re a window cleaner…

QED

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Meh

Re: Wrong question.

You'd think they'd have learned by now.

It's not going to happen, and you know it. We all heard people tell you in your role as "techie" that they have to buy a new computer... and then, between the lines, you figured out all they needed is a new BIOS battery. Mobile phone users? Light might be on there, but in the majority of cases I doubt whether there is anybody home. So... Will there be "a change"? Meh. Will "warnings" be heeded? Really? Raise a hand if you heard: "Paranoid!" "Industry standard!" "Inter-connectivity and compatibility!" "Commie!" As Liam writes, more general, do we see people learn from natural disasters (we had a severe flooding here) where "mobile phone availability" was ranked above "cut off electricity and water". Geez, and how to charge that mob? Bicycle with old school dynamo anybody? ... Ah, electric bicycle... Right. What about a digital payment system stumble that makes officials say it would be good to have "50 euros in cash for emergencies"? Have you asked them to read a map (think of that technical invention called paper) to get from A to B? No, it is baffling, but it will not tell you where to take a left...

Will they all come crying at your door step when it all comes goes ...---... ...---... ...---... ?

French city of Lyon ditching Microsoft for open source office and collab tools

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Re: I can understand the wish, but...

I prefer Zoom but agree that it's starting to try and do too much. I don't want calendars and off-meeting messaging, nor the host of plugin apps - I just want something that does videoconferencing, and Zoom does that well.

This indeed. It all used to be a couple of MB. Nowadays the size of the update/ download I see is bigger than my kernel. Then again, there are more guilty ones in that same corner...

Thunderbird is go: 139 follows closely on Firefox's heels

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Re: Compared to Evolution?

And to add to my own moaning: it seems "there are more of us", so after about 2 years @Gnome are contemplating making the GUI customisable in Evolution ("It's for 3.55.1+") direct, sparked by the issue we were discussing originally. Have a look here. Not sure about the buttons in the topbar though...

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/2294

(My apologies to the TBird people for this subject highjacking...)

NATTtrash

Re: Compared to Evolution?

...but what does the change to rss.source do?

It disables and removes an annoying and useless News and Blogs entry in the tree view on the left (scroll down and you see it) where you can have all your accounts and their subfolders listed. And since, contrary to the Gnome people, I do not think that having the "Better Apple Pie" and "More Lego Adverntures" between my business email accounts is useful, I disable it like that, killing it at birth.

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Boffin

Compared to Evolution?

Have ran Evolution for more than a decade now. And with very little (Evolution!) complaints I must admit. Since I have to make my money by getting my email/ calendars from other peoples MS Exchange servers, and because it was a PITA to get (and keep!) it setup (OAuth2) and running (But why do you not buy a Windows computer then?), I'm kind of hesitant to fix it if it is not broken.

Having said that though, (the GUI of) Evolution is also not safe from the people with the Gnome kiddie crayons and too much phone screen time on their hands, and upon sync between my different systems I already have to

gsettings set org.gnome.evolution.shell use-header-bar false;sed -i "'s/Enabled=true/Enabled=false/g'" $HOME/.config/evolution/sources/rss.source

so it becomes a tool again that you can make your money with efficiently.

The threat out of the Gnome camp however is that "Gnome can taketh away" this little GUI tweak. And since we are on the topic of TBird anyway...

Many mention using it with webmail. But what are your experiences with plugging it into EWS, OAuth2 and stuff? All the stuff like email, calendar, contacts and tasks still working? Both local and remote?

@Liam: Coming your way again on 2 wheels tomorrow...

The 12 KB that Windows just can't seem to quit

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Pint

This gentleman actually extracted them from the dll, so you can update your current day box...

http://www.rw-designer.com/icon-set/moricons

Feeling dumb? Let Google's latest AI invention simplify that wordy writing for you

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Boffin

Re: Reading the example which looks like a pathology report...

As far as I could determine the translation was accurate enough

MD here. Honestly? Errmmm... Not really.

Reading them side by side, a lot of the meaning got lost. Just to mention a few: the original text describes a contiously ongoing process, where the dumbed down version presents it as an end result, something stationary. Furthermore, it described damage, thickening of the tissue *between* the alveoli, the small lung sacks where oxygen is taken in, and CO2 expelled. The dumb text looses this distinction, throws everything "in the lung proximity" on one heap. Imagine this as a process over a membrane: if the membrane is thicker, this process becomes more hard. The "scarring" (different process, but hey) getting thicker of that "membrane" is because of a continuously ongoing infectious process against a "trigger". This trigger can be, yes, cigarette smoke, but also many other things like for example coal dust, asbestos, diesel fumes, pigeon fungi, solvents in paints and glues, and loads more, you get the idea. That oxygen needs to get in your blood, so it can be distributed across your body. But the walls of your vessels also get thicker because of this "out of control" infectious process. So your "sats" go down (measured with that clothes peg thing on your finger), you feel out of breath more and more. Now, did that text give you that?

I do understand this is a dumbing down tool, but then we also come into the topic of what is dumbing down? How to dumb down. And most important, why to dumb down. This is also an issue what I have seen (lost) when people use LLMs for for example making a quick abstract of a full text. Meaning is lost. And more scary, meaning is interpreted differently, and thus changed. Why this IMHO is worrying is...

For example: globally a physician has the legal obligation to get patient consent before treatment. For that (s)he has to explain what is going on, what the (best) intervention is, and ask the patient whether (s)he would like to proceed as suggested/ advised. Of course, it is critical in this process that patient understands what is said, so (s)he can make an educated decision. That's why you are always asked (I hope) if you are happy, and whether you have any questions.

The text here could not be used for that, because a lot of its meaning is lost. So yeah, sure it "broadly" describes what is written. But is it properly "translated"? Personally I would not spend the Wattage/ energy on it. But hey, this is Google trying to sell you something, so you know what that means.

As it is I suspect most radiology and pathology reports are routinely "machine assisted" or at least copy and paste.

Yes, you are right there. And if not "on the machine" when writing it down, then also in the head of the diagnosing physician. We all do something (again, I hope) called DD, differential diagnosis, which basically is a SOP for diagnosing, making sure you tick all boxes and consider options and alternatives. Just like any problem solving process I suppose...

Mozilla flamed by Firefox fans after promises to not sell their data go up in smoke

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: Are we the baddies?

For me you hit the nail on the head there. In the end it is pretty simple I think. If you tell world+dog, as they did in the original version:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

Notice that in a lot of the quotes that are now all over the webz, in many that last sentence is omitted. Here, I noticed, Liam and Thomas do too. But maybe that is what it is all about. IMHO, it is pretty irrelevant what you promise. It is more that you did. You gave your word. And if you then show your word isn't worth... anything, what does that make you? Then again, probably too old fashioned for the current world...

Curious what will happen to spin offs now that use its base, like e.g.Tbird and Zotero...

LibreOffice still kicking at 40, now with browser tricks and real-time collab

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Pint

Re: All you need

Teams => Zoom

OneDrive, there are tons of options around. GDrive, Box, Dropbox... In fact Dropbox was the OG before OneDrive was a thing.

Even easier (as in lazy) options available. Have been using (as in "earning income". Yes, really.) Ismael Martinez' "Unofficial Microsoft Teams for Linux" for ever since MS decided they couldn't be arsed to deliver Teams for Linux themselves. It works brilliant. When working with "MS only" organisations it works seamless. My Evolution plugs into their email, calendars and so on. Ismaels Teams does the same: everything just works™, calendars, VOIP, chat. People can even see whether you're online or not (you can also "appear offline" ;))) and you can do your direct calls. And, if you click one of the files while browsing the OneDrive/ Share point... the corresponding MS application starts up, whether it is Word, Excel, PowerPoint. And yes, you can work in that document "collaboratively". And then share/ signal others.

And perhaps the best thing? That there are deb and rpm repos available (THX Nils Büchner) so you can let your Teams for Linux update automagically with all your other *nix software sudo apt update.

So guess who this pint is for..?

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