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Survey about How Historical Knowledge is Produced on Wikipedia

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I am Petros Apostolopoulos, a Ph.D. candidate in Public History at North Carolina State University. My Ph.D. project examines how historical knowledge is produced on Wikipedia. If you are interested in participating in my research study by offering your own experience of writing about history on Wikipedia, you can click on this link https://ncsu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9z4wmR1cIp0qBH8. There are minimal risks involved in this research.

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Requested move at Talk:Timeline of the Donald Trump presidency#Requested move 26 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Timeline of the Donald Trump presidency#Requested move 26 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York#Requested move 31 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York#Requested move 31 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

People from Colonial Pennsylvania scope

I have been reviewing all birth article years by year going backwards. I started in 1927 and moved back. I did more recent years. At another point I started with 2023 and moved back. I only got to 1998 or so. It was less interesting to me. Anyway now I am to 1771. I am starting to see "People from Colonial Pennsylvania" and categories for other colonies in British America. My thought is this seeks excessive for a person born in 1771. Although there are some issues. I do not think we can make a hard and fast rule. If someone was born in 1771, but did something that made them well known in 1775. Thry would clearly fit. If someone was born in 1701, but only came to public attention by writing a pamphlet that got published in 1785, I still think they go in the People from colonial X category. I think a reasonable rule is anyone we know lived in X polity up until age, I am not sure what age though, Elsewhere I went with 21, but I am not sure I would impose that high an age in removing categories. I would also make exceptions for people we know were publicly active at a younger age. One does not have to be notable to fit, but it is excessive to categorize infants in most cases. The other issue is do we consider Colonial Oennsylvania to end in 1776, 1783, or do we punt and go for fuzzy lines. I would say clearly anyone born after 1776 does not go in such categories, unleas we can clearly show a good reason to place them. They wpuld only be 7 when the British fully recognize independence. However enen if we are going with 1783, I think a bitvearlier date is needed. If these were Writers, Artists, lawyers, musicians from Colonial Pennsylvania I would push for an older age and evidence of having been a writer, lawyer, musician etc while axsubject of the colony, but the People from Colonial Pennsylvania category would seem to have an easier cutoff. Mere birth in a place is not defining, so someone birn in December 1782 let alone in the part of 1783 before the treaty was signed clearly would not belong. I am thinking we need to condider each case. I guess a key question is what is the function of these caregories. Is it to rag every article we have on a person who lived in say Colonisl Pennsylvania, or is it to aid peiple trying to learn about colonial Pennsylvania? If it is the later we probably should go for an earlier last birth year than if the goal is the former.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

What is the best way to group people by occupation from British America

This is going to be an issue I will have to grapple with soon. I believe we have a few categories in the form of say Scientiest from. The Thirteen Colonies. I have to admit I hate the name. The 13 Colonies were not an actual political unit. I am tempted to say better would be Scientists from Massachusetts Bay Colony. SCientiests from Colonial Pennsylvania, etc. I have doubts we have enough articles to populate such categories. We have some "Colonial American" categories which at times have said thry should include people from anywhere in the US during Colonial times regardless of if they were under Swedish, British, Dutch, Russian Empire, Spanish, French or other control. This might make sense if there was an American nation invaded by European colonizers. However there was not a nation that got broken up. In fact for Calufornia, New Mexico and Texas there is a 25 plus year gap from the end of Colonial rule until they become part of the United States of America. For Utah, Arizona and Nevada there is in almost all their area never Colonial rule at all. I think a better approach is to look at the historical reality. We have an article on British America which covers the Thirteen Colonies, but avoids imposing the present on the past. I live in Detroit. Detroit pre-1763 is part of New France, and to call Cadillac a colonial American is non-asnsical. In 1773 Detroit is not part of the 13 colonies. It is part of the Privince of Quebec. The fact that Quebec would not go with the other colonies is not pre-determined. Florida is British from 1763 until 1783, but not in the 13 colonies, but someone who moves from Charleston, South Carolina to St. Augustine in 1772 no more sees themselves as going somewhere new than if thry moved to New York City or Boston or Richmond. Leaving a Colony means more than leaving a modern US state. Still we have Artists from ancient Greece, musicians from ancient Greece etc and those are categories grouping people from a set of oolities that had no political unity at all. I think People from British America and its subcats work in dome cases. However I think we could maybe do by Colony categories for politicians, lawyers and maybe some other categories. Does anyone else have thoughts?John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

We already have Category:Politicians from the Thirteen Colonies. Dimadick (talk) 18:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

History of the United States subtopic proposed moves

An editor has requested that History of the United States (1776–1789) be moved to History of the United States from 1776 to 1789, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. CMD (talk) 01:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally#Requested move 13 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally#Requested move 13 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine#Requested move 12 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine#Requested move 12 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 07:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Would anyone be interested in joining a sub project of WP:Anthropology on oral tradition? WP's coverage of this is quite poor atm imo Kowal2701 (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Reeves AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central#Requested move 16 August 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Reeves AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central#Requested move 16 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 12:02, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

RfC concerning an article which may be of interest to this project

See Talk:Flying car#RfC on the inclusion of Whitehead's No. 21 machine in this article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Martin Van Buren has an RfC

Martin Van Buren has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emiya1980 (talk) 00:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Attempted assassination of Donald Trump#Requested move 15 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Attempted assassination of Donald Trump#Requested move 15 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2019 El Paso shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2019 El Paso shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft Article: Battle of Muddy Flat U.S., U.K., and Taiping vs. Qing + Pirates 1854

Hi everyone I made this new article could someone review it. Thanks. Draft:The Battle of Muddy Flat Historyguy1138 (talk) 23:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Civilian Public Service

Civilian Public Service has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposed for deletion (PROD): U.S. Automobile Production Figures

FYI, the article U.S. Automobile Production Figures has been proposed for deletion (WP:PROD). The first sentences summarize the subject this way:

• "Automobile experimentation and design in the US started a few years after Carl Benz patented and produced his original gasoline-powered motor car in 1886, and a handful of companies were producing them in the US by the turn of the century. The table below shows the annual unit volumes for the top US producers in each year from 1899 to 2000."

The nominator wrote this summary of their concerns:

• "Essay without inline citations"

Note that the article mostly consists of tables of production data by brand dating back to 1899. These table do not use inline references.

If you agree or disagree with deletion, there are instructions on the deletion notice for what to do.

Thanks, A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)