Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Hamilton

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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Hamilton

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I have a suspicion that this article may possibly be a hoax. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Winter, 2nd Baronet, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Winter, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/48 Belgrave Square, all for articles by the same author. Of the two references, I was able to track down the Burke Peerage, which mentions a Lt. Col Christopher Hamilton who was knighted, but with no further biographical details. I can find no evidence that the other book listed as a reference exists. I was able to find that there was a Lt. Col Christopher Hamilton stationed on Ceylon as part of the British Army, but given that that Christopher Hamilton was apparently in the British Army in 1812 and this fellow was supposedly born in 1810, it doesn't seem to be him. I cannot find verification that a Christopher Hamilton was a MP from Tipperary. See also [article on that Parliament consituency], which doesn't mention this fellow or leave room for him to be an MP for it. I can't find any mentions of "Jane FitzGerald-de Ros", his supposed wife, in RS. She was added to her father's WP article by an IP with no source, claiming to be married to the person who this article claims to be the subject's father. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can find no RS verification that anything in this article is true. Hog Farm _Bacon 04:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Bacon 04:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete multiple issues as identified by nom. Mztourist (talk) 05:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - even in the unlikely event that this person actually existed, it's highly unlikely that they are notable enough to warrant an article given the lack of sources available about him Spiderone 09:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Obviously if the details are correct then he clearly passes WP:POLITICIAN and probably WP:SOLDIER too, but I can find no evidence of his existence. The man claimed to be his father, Major-General Christopher Hamilton, certainly existed, and that's probably the chap that Hog Farm has found (although he was never knighted; he was appointed CB though). He was commander of British troops in SW Ireland (headquartered in Limerick), but not County Dublin as the article claims. There was also no Henry Hamilton who was Archdeacon of York, as this article claims Christopher's son was. So yes, it is looking increasingly like a hoax. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I wouldn't go as afar as saying this is necessarily a hoax, but it clearly appears mistaken and/or lacking sources to establish notability. Even assuming good faith of the two references provided in the article, one of them is labelled "privately published" meaning it is not a likely reliable source, and as such this fails WP:GNG. My searches have drawn the same blank that others have, and as such this article cannot be saved. feel free to ping me if sources are found. FOARP (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article also has evidence of hoax. Not my area of expertise, and I don't rely on WP as a source per see, but his son who was, according to this article, Archdeacon, is not on that list. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 11:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - what Spiderone says. (I don't know if it's a hoax, but if it is, it sure is an odd one.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there was no Christopher Hamilton who served in the position of General Officer Commanding, Ceylon. The position of Commander in Chief didn’t exist until the Second World War. There also is nobody named Hamilton who represented the Tipperary (UK Parliament constituency). This article is either a hoax or a compilation of inaccuracies. Dan arndt (talk) 14:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, A quick google search turned up nothing, including for some of the items listed in the article. I favor deletion, but shouldn’t a post be made on the article talk page to see if there’s an explanation? Go4thProsper (talk) 03:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Page creator hasn't edited since 2010, so I don't think they'll be coming along to explain what's going on a talk page. I'm kinda intrigued as to whether this fellow is real or not, but I doubt we'll ever find out. Since this appears to be a hoax and has survived for 10 years, should it be added to the list of hoaxes after deletion? Hog Farm _Bacon 03:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Obviously if the details were true he would pass WP:NPOL, but that's precisely why I always point out that the notability test is not passed by what the article says, but by how well the article is referenced to reliable sources which properly verify that the things it says are true. People can and do try to insert lies into Wikipedia all the time, so just claiming passage of a notability criterion still doesn't exempt a person from having to have real sources. Obviously, if better sources can be found in the future to prove that he really existed, then an article could be recreated at that time — but there's enough doubt about this that the burden of proof would fall on the (re)creators rather than the gainsayers, and I won't be holding my breath in the meantime. Bearcat (talk) 13:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 22:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - consensus appears to agree this is a hoax, so early closing per WP:G3 and/or WP:SNOW may be called for. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:V, and based on my quick research, probably as a hoax. Bearian (talk) 18:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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