User talk:TheLongTone
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[edit]Went to go warn this user about UPE and was freaked out when I saw a barnstar from you, then I realized why. 
Praxidicae (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- strictly, it was Wikilurve... there isn't a wikif*** offTheLongTone (talk) 14:26, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Please desist from making personal attacks
[edit]I hereby give you a warning notice that I will not accept you making personal attacks WP:PA, by leaving unsolicited and offensive comments on my talk page. Please note that despite your status as an autopatroller, you still need to abide by civil and ethical guidelines - clearly spelled out in WP:PA. I will remove all your existing comments from my talk page, and any further offensive comments will be referred to arbitration. --Very trivial (talk) 21:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- I do not make personal attacks. I comment upon edits; and in this area I do no tolerate fools gladly.TheLongTone (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding Serangoon Public Library page
[edit]Hi TheLongTone,
I had added the source from SingComm.com.sg about the new Serangoon Public Library which was opened on 11 March 2011.
Thank you.
GoAheadFan95 (talk) 02:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that a single news item about the library's opening does nothing (imo) to establish notability.TheLongTone (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- I already removed the source from Singcomm.com.sg and added the source from The Straits Times (archived) to establish notability.
Thank you. GoAheadFan95 (talk) 23:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Devil Between My Toes (2)
[edit]Hi LongTone, in December last year I contacted you and asked you about your motivation behind turning the article Devil Between My Toes into a redirect to Guided by Voices. My question and your reply are in this archive. Today I rewrote the article on the Dutch Wikipedia and only then I noticed that you asked a question on the talk page weeks ago... So, here's my answer, in case you don't have that page on your watch list (anymore). I was never blocked here but I still sent an unblock request since I couldn't edit because of my vpn. (Back then I didn't understand the process described here.) My unblock request got an answer in the form of some default template that assumes that I was blocked. Maybe I should archive my talk page, as small as it is, just to avoid confusion and fix the first impression that page gives.
I have no intention to publish articles here since all my attention is devoted to the Dutch Wikipedia. I ran the article through Google Translate and it should be fairly comprehensible, though according to the translation Robert Pollard was bought by a rooster for its son. Feel free to translate it, if at all the band and their work are of any interest to you and you feel that the article now better agrees with the rules and guidelines here. Maartenschrijft (talk) 19:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I still do not see why this record should be considered notable.TheLongTone (talk) 15:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
G8
[edit]Hi. I've declined your WP:G8 tag on Talk:2020 Toronto hammer attack. As the page exists as a redirect the talk page is not eligible for deletion. Please ping me or leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:36, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- No problemo, didn't know that keeping such talk pages was the norm.TheLongTone (talk) 15:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello I understand you've nominated my article for speedy deletion, because it doesn't explain why the title is important for Wikipedia. I don't want this to be deleted, please could you tell me where I need to declare this? Thanks EJohnL1985 (talk) 15:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Too late. But I think that it is generally accepted that an article creator will not want it deleted.TheLongTone (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Why did you nominate "List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2010s" page for deletion?
[edit]The page should not be deleted. Yes, there are many entries which don't have sourcing, but that is a project that me and others are currently working on at this time. It is a page which has value to Wikipedia at this current time.--Historyday01 (talk) 04:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- Read the nomination, and comment on the discussion page.TheLongTone (talk) 14:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Exel Computer Systems - page deletion
[edit]Hello, you recently requested for this page to be removed because I didn't explain why this article is important to be published on Wikipedia. Please could you tell me where this needs to be done? Thank you EJohnL1985 (talk) 11:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC):Read WP:GNG.
- It was because firstly there was no credible claim of notability and secondly because the sources were not strong enough. But on the upside, I noticed that the previous version was deleted as being promotional, and I didn't detect the slightest whiff of spam in your later version.TheLongTone (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback! Could you explain why you thought the sources were not strong enough please? These were the only sources I could find surrounding the topic. EJohnL1985 (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- Afraid I can't remember; the usual reasons would be that they looked like run of the mill coverage as generated by most busineses (often in trade papers0 or that they were self-published.TheLongTone (talk) 15:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
My ascertions regarding "Alex Ajipe" encyclopedia
[edit]Hi TheLongTone,
The "Alex Ajipe" encyclopedia isn't paid for as you've alledged and sincerely, I'm bittered and sad about that accusation.
All what I came up with there are sourced for and not for promotional purpose as you've also claimed or as it looks. I will agree with you that some contents looks so much like an advertisement which I think you deleted some and I've been trying to get some of those contents off the encyclopedia.
I must appreciate you for bringing that to my notice but I'll provide citations where necessarily for you to believe and reconsider your stand for speedy deletion of the page.
Thanks. Thisissegun (talk) 16:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Reason for revert of Devil Between My Toes
[edit]Hi TheLongTone,
If I didn't look in the right places for a response to why you reverted the Devil Between My Toes edit I made, then my apologies, I'm not a very active Wikipedian.
I was wondering why you reverted the article that I wrote for Devil Between My Toes, the first Guided by Voices album. I saw the post above where User:Maartenschrijft mentioned the same thing, but unlike their edit of the article, I included much more than just a track listing, such as facts about the packaging of the record, meanings of the songs on the record, writing credits, personnel, etc. If I had a lack of sources, I will gladly any more references to confirm the information I put in the article.
I also observed that your reasoning for deleting it the first time is that it's a "non-notable" release, but I would object to that in that this is the first full length record made by this band....without this, we wouldn't have Bee Thousand, at least narratively. On top of that, their third and fourth records, Self-Inflicted Aerial Nostalgia and Same Place the Fly Got Smashed, have very brief articles that don't really expand on giving more than just basic information. -- Hyperultra (talk) 20:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
AfD for The Ghana "34" Aluminum Bucket
[edit]Hi, you nominated The Ghana "34" Aluminum Bucket for deletion but you used the curation toolbar and it failed to complete the AfD procedures. (It's better to use twinkle for afd nominations.) Just letting you know so you can go back and finish the process. Happy editing! Schazjmd (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nm, Finngall completed the nomination. Schazjmd (talk) 16:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, saw that thanx; I edit from my library & my session ended before I could make good. I was using twinkle btw.TheLongTone (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Query regarding a deleted page
[edit]Hi sir/madam, I wanted to ask something if its not much of a trouble for you. There used to be a wikipedia article Sri Kshatriya Yuvak Sangh. I think it got deleted sometime ago as the link is now redirecting to Tan Singh. Firstly I wanted to read the discussion that took place for its deletion as I wanted to know how and why it got deleted, as I am new I don't know how to find that discussion. So if you could help me find it. Another thing is I read the article some time ago and saw that it has only one citation so i think if it got deleted due to poor citation, i wanted to improve that article as I know it is atleast important enough to have a separate wikipedia page. Another thing is as I was reading the rules, I got confused that how is an article that is deleted can be recreated. Should a new article is to be written afresh or old one can be undeleted if proper citations and notability issue is addressed. Please help me in this regard. Thanks in advance.Shanusar (talk) 16:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- TheLongTone, FYI, I was asked the same question (no idea why the two of us were targeted specifically, but ok) and have given an answer on my talk page, so you probably don't need to bother. Lennart97 (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Life is full of mysteries! Thanks. TheLongTone (talk) 13:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Accidental MfD
[edit]Hi TheLongTone. I closed this MfD since it was pretty clearly an accident. Hopefully this is fine and you don't mind. Perryprog (talk) 15:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sure thing. Its those fat fingers of mine.TheLongTone (talk) 13:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
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Aircraft names
[edit]Hi and many thanks for your lightning-fast review of my Cramlington Aerodrome article. Could you please tell me why you removed the Royal Aircraft Factory from the B.E.2c, making it the only aircraft type in the article not to have its manufacturer/designer name, and making the reference point to a redirect? Lestocq (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- So far as I am aware Royal Aircraft Factory aircraft are generally referred to simply by type number- B.E. 2c, S.E.5a, R.E.8. Cant really gine a reason why, it just eseems to be common usage. I'll look at the link again,since the BE2 article is fairly long and ideally the link should lead to the '2c rather than the top of the article.TheLongTone (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Peter Speake page
[edit]Hello TheLongTone, You have recently removed the Peter Speake page that I created. I was in the process of modifying the Speake-Marin page to redirect to the Peter Speake page for information on him. I was doing this because there is some misunderstanding on the Speake-Marin page on what Peter Speake's role in the company is (He was the founder but has left the company and is pursuing other professional activities). Should there not be a specific page? Peter Speake information will be removed from the Speake-Marin page of course. Please note that Peter does not use the Marin part of his sirname anymore. [1]Realdriver (talk) 18:09, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- You have a point, but I doubt that he passes the notability guidelines.TheLongTone (talk) 14:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Special:Diff/1107694934, yes it is. Please read the sources. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 11:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Making threats is not snecking good. Inter-wiki links are good and help readers to find more information seamlessly. I agree over-linking is not good. However, I do not see much of an over linking problem in the article. Enjoy your day! SurgeArrest (talk) 13:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC
- I made no threats, I merely pointed out that your reinstatement of uneccessary links could be construed as didruptivre editing. Its useful, for instance, to link Brighton because people might not know where it is: it is not necessary to link knife or cat. I would suggestt you have a look at how links are handled in other articles. Incidentally, it would have been more appropriate to have made your post on your talk page, where the conversation began.TheLongTone (talk) 13:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Thanks for your attention to the new Erika Donalds article I created. I'm posting my ideas about notability on Talk:Erika_Donalds#Notability. Please consider removing the tag. Court Liberty (talk) 19:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Hello, I have replied to you on Helianthus annuus 'Russian Giant' deletion discussion page. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]you recently tag my page( K.M. Nahidul Islam ) for deletion . In this Page ,I add about my biography. As a wikipedia user, I can add it by abiding all wikipedia policy . Kindly keep this page . You found Any illegal text here, Just delete that text . maybe you understand good day -K.M. Nahidul Islam Kmnahidulislambd (talk) 13:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- I tagged it because it is a grossly promotional, contains no credible assertion why anyboedy other than yourself should consider the content of any significance or interest and you were either too lazy or unable to provide any references.TheLongTone (talk) 13:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. Now can you kindly fix this problem without deleting like change text? Kmnahidulislambd (talk) 14:13, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Like I said, too snecking lazy. And thoroughly NON NOTABLE.TheLongTone (talk) TheLongTone (talk) 13:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. Now can you kindly fix this problem without deleting like change text? Kmnahidulislambd (talk) 14:13, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Please can you explain your comment at User talk:Bobbygohann#A gert lump o babyfood for you! and also why is it dated 4 years ago? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- A careless copy and paste for a clear case of a gert lump o spam.TheLongTone (talk) 14:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Please be more careful, and read your edits?
[edit]In this edit you left a nonsensical "decreasing in o thickness". Not what you meant I'm sure, but only to be detected if you check after the edit. Shenme (talk) 03:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi user:TheLongTone , thank you for your contribution to an article I recently created. I just wanted to know if you are aware of the broken Wikilink you changed while removing content from article? the sentence can be found at Career section
" Martin received a nomination for song of the year]] "
would you be so kind to fix it or complete the actions you were busy with?
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Chad. ChadLawrence021 (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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