User talk:Suidafrikaan
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- You will notice that the c governing o refers to a member of the board while a c governance o is a member of management. Since their duties, seniority and authority are completely different I think a separate page is warranted. Besides while the title of the original article was c governance o the content only decribed the role of a c governing officer. --Suidafrikaan (talk) 09:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. It is good to have more South Africans here. You can find a few of us at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/South_Africa. If you need any help just give a shout. --Jcw69 10:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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I noticed you create the category Category:Classification Systems. The S in systems should be written in lowecase per WP:MOS. I tagged the category, the articles should be moved within an hour or so. Cheers, —Ruud 12:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
- When I said should be moved within an hour or so, I meant that a robot (User:NekoDeamon) should automatically move those articles but I now realise that A) this bot doesn't work anymore and B) you could misinterpret it as that you should move them within an hour. Sorry, —Ruud 19:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
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We currently have 12 members but no South Africans. If you are interested in joining follow the link and sign up.GordyB 13:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
We know have over 30 members yet still 0! South Africans. If you are interested please sign up your contributions will really make a difference. Arguss 12:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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Psychology Wiki
[edit]Hi Suidafrikaan,
I noticed that you used to be a lecturer and clinical psychologist, and thought you might be interested in this project which I am involved in, The Psychology Wiki.
I won't say too much, as I'd like you to judge it for yourself, but you should find that it is different from Wikipedia, because approximately 90% of our contributors so far are professional psychologists, academics, or students and trainees.
Its hosted by a company called Wikia, which was founded by Jimmy Wales and Angela Beesley. There are Google Ads on the site, but we dont make money from the project, they're just to pay for the bandwidth, storage and technical support that Wikia give us.
Have a look and see what you think
Mostly Zen 00:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Citation
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Wikimania 2007
[edit]Hi Suidafrikaan
Wikimania 2007, which is being held in Taipei, Taiwan on August 3-5, is offering opportunities for travel scholarships to Wikimania for active users of Wikimedia projects from the continent of Africa. Although the original scholarship deadline has passed, please, if you are interested, you may still apply at http://wm07schols.wikimedia.org/apply.php. Sincerely yours, Cary Bass 21:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
CCB
[edit]I congratulate you on your Civil Cooperation Bureau creation: it is so well researched and sourced. I thought of creating such an article several years ago but it would have paled into insignificance compared to what you have produced: well done!
I note that you do not accept Craig Williamson was a CCB member. What about Peter Caselton (who was involved with the Swede Bertil Wedin in a number of CCB-type escapades) and who was killed under the wheels of a truck, after naming the killer of Swedish PM Olof Palme. Was Caselton a CCB member?Phase4 21:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, I have previously informed you of the guidelines regarding "edit summaries", but you are still making numerous edits without edit summaries. Please read Help:Edit summary for further information. Furthermore, it is a little disruptive to make a large number of small edits (all without edit summaries), because it clutters the pages history. If you look at the page history of Third force (South Africa) for instance (here), you will see how the edit history quickly becomes cluttered. Please use the preview feature and try to group a few small edits together (see Help:Show preview). --Deon Steyn 05:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- At first glance, I quite like the new apartheid infbox. Thanks for adding it to the various articles. However, I concur with Deon about edit summaries. Reviewing my watchlist today, there are lots and lots of edits by you, and it would have been really useful if each one had a summary "add infobox". Just a courtesy to other editors reviewing changes to articles on their watchlist. Thanks, Zaian 09:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Template:Apartheid
[edit]How about adding an optional image to the template? It might improve the layout, e.g. on Sharpeville massacre, if the image could become part of the template. No, I haven't a clue how to add an image to a template... Zaian 15:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
- Nice template! The two categories of people (for and against) might be a little problematic, because it could grow quite large and it might be difficult to choose only a few. I'll add some more thoughts to the template's discussion pages. --Deon Steyn 06:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Category:People opposed to apartheid
[edit]Hi. I've nominated Category:People opposed to apartheid for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_27. You are welcome to give your opinions against deletion there if you want. --Ezeu 17:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Jeugkrag
[edit]Dear Suidafrikaan,
I object to the way in which you link me with the fact that Marthinus van Schalkwyk has accepted money for himself and for Jeugkrag from Military Intelligence (MI). I found out, like the rest of the public, that Marthinus accepted funds from MI, and I wrote to him at the time expressing my utter disgust at his betrayal, because he has brought the organization, and all associated with it - as your wikipedia post proves - in disrepute.
It is unfair, however, to assume, as you have done in this post, that others associated with Jeugkrag at the time, had knowledge of, or were somehow associated with MI. I was one of the founding members of Jeugkrag and our aim was to establish an alternative movement (as oposed to the Afrikaans Student Union - ASB) for Afrikaans students that was oposed to apartheid and that actively work for creating an alternative democratic future. I contributed to drafting our founding principles and it was revolutionary at the time in that we rejected apartheid and promoted a true (one man one vote) democratic future. I was a member of the Student Representative Counci at Rand Afrikaans University at the time and my personal left of centre politics was well known. I was the first Publicity Secretary and later the Director of Fundraising of Jeugkrag. During that time I raised funds from several corperate and private foundations. Amongst others we did things like arrange school and student camps where we brought youths from all races together to start a national dialogue about our future together. I had no knowledge of any links to the South African Government, especially not MI, and there was nothing in the policies or work of Jeugkrag that I had knowledge of, even with hindsight, that could have served the interests of the apartheid government.
I moved on from student politics (and Jeugkrag) and joined the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) in Aug 1988, and in 1989 and half of 1990 I did my compulsory national service. I spent the first year at the intelligence school in Potch, where I did an officer's course and qualified as a 2nd lieutenant. As I am sure you are aware we did not choose where we went for our national service. In 1990 I spent a further six months at MI, before I returned to DFA in July 1990. In early 1990, I was promoted to 1st lieutenant, as was the practise for all graduates. My national service, like I am sure for most of us, were the most uneventful and unproductive time of my life. This is especially true for my time at MI where I mostly spent my time playing chess. Contraty to your insuniation, I think my politics saved me from becoming involved in anything sinister. There was no link between my involvement with Jeugkrag and my national service.
I regret, but accept that because Marthinus accepted funds from MI for himself and for Jeugkrag, that the whole organisation and what it has achieved, is now discredited. However, there were many ordinary people involved in Jeugkrag who genuinly used it as a vehicle to mobilize against apartheid within the Afrikaner community, and I believed Jeugkrag played a role by sending a message to the Afrikaner elite that a significant portion of the Afrikaner student leadership rejected apartheid and chose a democratic future. If MI funds were used in this process then I, for one, enjoy the irony that they contributed funds to an organization that contributed to their own downfall.
I would thus appreciate it if you would remove any suggestions that I knew about MI funding for Jeugkrag, or that such funding is somehow linked to my national service. If you disagree with my explanation, then I would appreciate it if my version could be posted alongside yours.
Best wishes
Cedric de Coning [email protected]
- Thank you for your note. The section to which you object is reproduced below.
Van Schalkwyk was the national chairman. He was supported between 1987 and July 1988 by Cedric de Coning who was both Director of Fund Raising, and Publicity Secretary. According to de Coning's January 2007 resume, besides fund raising his role was to liaise with "international and national donor organisations". Following a 6 month break de Coning went on to become a 1st lieutenant at the Military Intelligence Headquarters of the South African Defence Force.[4]
1) The section cites the following facts contained in your CV
- Your name and surname
- Your Jeugkrag designations
- The period in which you held these designations
- A description of your liaison activities as contained in your CV
- The 6 month break between your Jeugkrag involvement and your military service
- Your SADF rank
- The unit in which you served
2) It references your CV and provides a hyperlink to the document which is now only available in the Google cache
If 1) Any of the 7 facts mentioned above are inaccurate please identify them 2) You object to the phrasing or placement of words please suggest an alternative 3) You object to any sentences or words in the article please suggest an alternative
Suidafrikaan 07:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
"Minor" edits
[edit]Please remember to mark your edits as minor when (and only when) they genuinely are minor edits (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one (and vice versa) is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you.
Addition of a controversial category (such Category:Supporters of apartheid) does not qualify as minor. Almost all your edits are incorrectly marked as "minor", please see the guidelines in the accompanying warning template. --Deon Steyn 09:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Zaian 11:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- thank you for your kind advice. of course, i know that being a neutral party, you have placed a similar note on mr. steyn's pageSuidafrikaan 11:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I did. I've also previously suggested to him that he is aggravating you and he should cool off. I haven't seen a personal attack from him yet but I would warn him in the same way if I did. Zaian 11:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. I appreciate both your interventionsSuidafrikaan 11:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could withdraw the above heated comments directed at Deon. They're out of line, even if you are annoyed at his interactions with you. Zaian 13:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. I appreciate both your interventionsSuidafrikaan 11:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your facilitation. I have removed them. Suidafrikaan 13:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'm glad you're willing to work it out. Zaian 14:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- My comments were contrary to wikipedia guidelines, acknowledged. Of course there are other ways to deal with things. However, I'm not willing to work anything out. I have simple expectations: I don't want to see another post by Mr. Steyn on my talk page, under any circumstances, on any subject, at any time in the future. I also expect him to refrain from editing my contributions - we are not joined at the hip. There are dozens of others who can, and who will comment if there is content that is out of line.
- Sigh. It's your call how you react to things, but I don't think much of those conditions. Contributions are fair game for anyone to edit - on the bottom of the screen it says "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." And since this is a collaborative project, working for consensus with people you disagree with is a pretty central skill. But I'm preaching, and as I said, it's your call. I'm out of this particular discussion now. Zaian 14:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Merciless editing is not the point. Choosing to edit all/most contributions made by one person, all/most of the time can be construed as a deliberate effort to ride them out of town. A comparison: In SA, constructive dismissal - unbearable workplace harassment that leads to retreat and resignation - is considered an unfair labour practice. Same behaviour different context.
- OK, last comment (really). I haven't tracked Deon's edits in any detail, but I have seen how many of your edits have popped up on my watchlist. Your edits are often not uncontroversial - you and I have disagreed on several points so far, and I have undone some of your edits. I assume Deon is doing something similar, and has clearly annoyed you significantly in the process, so maybe he has gone overboard. I commented on two minor points on Deon's talk page already. Anyhow. There aren't dozens of South African editors waiting to join the debate - there are sadly very few of us (Deon is one of the prominent ones), so we can't afford to drive each other away. I hope we will continue to work together, and I hope you can avoid further confrontation with Deon. Zaian 15:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Merciless editing is not the point. Choosing to edit all/most contributions made by one person, all/most of the time can be construed as a deliberate effort to ride them out of town. A comparison: In SA, constructive dismissal - unbearable workplace harassment that leads to retreat and resignation - is considered an unfair labour practice. Same behaviour different context.
- Sigh. It's your call how you react to things, but I don't think much of those conditions. Contributions are fair game for anyone to edit - on the bottom of the screen it says "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." And since this is a collaborative project, working for consensus with people you disagree with is a pretty central skill. But I'm preaching, and as I said, it's your call. I'm out of this particular discussion now. Zaian 14:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- My comments were contrary to wikipedia guidelines, acknowledged. Of course there are other ways to deal with things. However, I'm not willing to work anything out. I have simple expectations: I don't want to see another post by Mr. Steyn on my talk page, under any circumstances, on any subject, at any time in the future. I also expect him to refrain from editing my contributions - we are not joined at the hip. There are dozens of others who can, and who will comment if there is content that is out of line.
- Thanks, I'm glad you're willing to work it out. Zaian 14:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your facilitation. I have removed them. Suidafrikaan 13:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I hope Suidafrikaan will keep on keeping on. He's doing a brilliant job for Wikipedia, and for the truth!Phase4 20:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Jeugkrag
[edit]Dear Suidafrikaan,
The only factual error was the reference to me becoming an officer in MI 6 months after I left Jeugkrag. I started my compulsory national service in the SA Army Intelligence School in January 1989 with basic training and then did an officer's course. I became a 2nd lieutenant, as was the practise at the time, at the end of 1989, and was then posted to MI. After a month or two I was then promoted to 1st lieutenant, because I was a graduate, as was the practise at the time. In my CV the process is listed in the detail, and the highest rank/position achieved is listed in the heading.
By wrongfuly stating that I joined MI as a 1st lieutenant 6 months after I left Jeugkrag you create the impression that I did not follow the routine national service process, and the obvious conclusion is then that I was somehow associated with MI whilst I was at Jeugkrag.
I am satisfied with the way in which the matter has now been dealt with after the '6 month' sentence was removed.
Cedric
Hi Suidafrikaan, you weren't to know, but the redirect from Apartheid to History of South Africa in the apartheid era has been bitterly disputed on many occasions in the past (see for example Talk:Apartheid (disambiguation) and Talk:Allegations of Israeli apartheid and its many archives). This eventually went to Wikipedia arbitration and the status quo is the result of that arbitration. There may be merits in different arrangements of page titles and redirects, but any change here ignores the arbitration that took place, and risks reigniting the disputes. Any change therefore needs to be discussed first and approached with care. I have thus reverted your new change, with no disrespect intended to your contribution. Zaian 09:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree
[edit]Hi Suidafrikaan, I think your new arrangement on Template:Apartheid with a single heading "People" is a good solution, as it avoids the pitfalls of subjective decisions where the categorisation isn't straightforward.
Regarding categories, I think once an article has been added to (e.g.) Category:Events associated with apartheid it can be removed from the parent Category:Apartheid.
Under organisations associated with apartheid, I think the category name is slightly ambiguous in that it could be taken to mean organisations supportive of apartheid. I can't think of a better name though. This could be clarified by a descriptive sentence on the category page. I'm also wondering about having the newspapers (Citizen, M&G, Vrye Weekblad) under an apartheid category. Might be simpler not to include them as it's not a defining category for them (unlike, say, for a political party). Zaian 13:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Newspapers. It depends on how one reads the word "associated", which could mean: a) is only related to, b) can be related to. Assuming the latter: M&G was established solely because the Rand Daily Mail was put out of business by the SA government for its anti-apartheid views. The Citizen was created by Eschel Rhoodie's Dept of Information (using illicit govt funds) solely to sell pro-apartheid ideas to the South African public in opposition to the Rand Daily Mail, both were morning publications. The tone of VW was exclusively anti-apartheid and its demise related entirely to apartheid. While newspapers like The Star and Die Burger, etc published during the apartheid years strictly speaking they are not related to apartheid because they were instituted long before Smuts used the word, and prior to 1948.Suidafrikaan 15:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Broederbond
[edit]Looking forward to seeing what you do with the above article. It's been in a pretty ropey state for a while now, so it's good to see someone taking it in hand.
Best wishes, Xdamrtalk 23:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. It looks like you have some experience with the topic, so any thoughts would be welcome. Suidafrikaan 23:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Certainly will—I've been a little curtailed in my activity of late, but this is an article I'd be pleased to help get somewhere.
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WikiProject Law Enforcement Barnstar Proposal Poll
[edit]Hello there Suidafrikaan,
We here at Wikiproject Law Enforcement are currently in the process of deciding wither or not to make this WikiProject Law Enforcement's official Barnstar award. Being that you are a member of Wikiproject Law Enforcement, we are humbly asking you to voice your opinion here about our new Barnstar.
Thank You and All the Best, Mifter (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
--Mifter (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
CCB2
[edit]Suidafrikaan,
Hi - thanks for your prompt response. I have left a suggestion for an edit to the intro as you suggested (on the subject discussion page). Your consideration of this change would be great.
Regards
BSRCR 09:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Suidafrikaan,
Thanks for the prompt response and suggestions - awesome.
I have left you my recommendations on the relevant page which I hope you will find acceptable -
You have an enviable personal user page - I think we have met...somewhere a long time ago.
Regards
BSRCR 10:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]Medical Translation Newsletter
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