Alexander Shaumyan - Bukowski is absolutely right. With internet, poetry readings branched out in internet poetry forums, which are mutual admiration societies. It's interesting to note that Bukowski died in 1994 just before the explosion of World Wide Web. Before you actually had to type your poems on a typewriter and send them out by mail (often with self-addressed envelope) and wait several weeks or even months before receiving an acceptance or rejection notice.
Ali Andar - man, such a sad, and bitter poet here, I truly dont get why this poet js considered classic, he is a narsjssist and a crybaby imo. and this poem litterally puts down everg single poet to ever share thier work...
From a brother - Yeah. This is poem is wrong. People always need art and my favourite kinda people cant read a word or see a painting or hear a song without needing to give it a go themselves. Though even in this instance where i am repulsed by his theme. Bukowski is a great poet. His sinic yet sentimental style deserves another chance. I recomend you give it bro. But thats an opinion so.
- There's a lot of truth here. I would guess that many people who hate on Bukowski do so because of attitudes as he expresses here. If it&s not good he'll say so. Don't be stagnant, travel. Don't trust family to tell you the truth of your writer's worth, they might not know if they were even willing to tell you. And if you have talent, don't let such as these drag you down and keep you down because such as these will, with pleasure. And they are everywhere in every community, you better believe it. And yes, read in bars. Get out of the libraries and the campus auditoriums. Some bar owners will figure what the hell they'll let somebody start an open mic on their slowest nights, or hold readings. Then you learn, the front tables are there to listen to you, but the rest aren't and you have to deal with it. Even with a mic you will need to learn to project. And yes there will be hecklers, and you'll have to learn how to deal with it. Self-challenge and strategize. If you live in a cultural 'wasteland' get on line. And when you're online? Avoid the internet version of the people you're trying to escape. They're here.
TonyNoon642 - Just reading a book of Bukowski's letters 1958 - 1965 . An excellent insight into what it feels like to be a poet in search of publication in the pre digital age. I like his viewpoint here that the real poetry is constantly being made in bars and bowling alleys etc. Check out Brian Patten's "A Blade of Grass" ...
with little talent and little fire, hanging useless
on barbed wire, a piece of britches torn from me as I tried to clear the fence, hangs my flag of victory. I became a poet very late. I couldn't help it as my flag pole held as wetness remained in the well, and like all that, poetry gushed and poetry shot, and I felt guilty and I felt hot. (edited)
Vyjayanthi2095 - Pride is not vulnerable. But vanity is ....
There are all kinds who create, even the proud grow old and can become vulnerable. It takes guts to be a poet and greater guts to remain a poet even as we age and lose all our teeth and need that walking stick.....yet write about a race we won as children.....
I-Like-Rhymes - True, guest Ellen Clare. He is asking us to give him anything except poetry from people who ONLY move in small circles.
However he is not saying that not ALL the people who attend poetry readings are no good. I have heard wonderful poetry at such sessions as well as utter drivel.
Bukowski himself attended and participated in such sessions.
So don't knock the sessions but don't just limit yourself to them either.
- From guest Ellen Clare (contact)
I think you are missing the point. He is being honest when he say give him something. What good are we or how good are we hiding in groups sharing only with our families and friends.
- From guest Ellen Clare (contact)
I think he's saying if we don't take it to the public we are cowards. He is being truthful when he says give me something. Stop hiding. If you are any good bring it into the light. Stop hiding. Don't take no for an answer or move on.
I-Like-Rhymes - Whilst I can see the truth of the first half of this poem depicting as it does the poetry groups I have visited, I hope and pray the second half is not true. For that would mean there is no hope for my poetry.
Bukowki is attacking all the poets of his generation with the careless disregard of Napoleon's 'whiff of grapeshot' where I would have prefered him to use the discerning aim of a sniper.
Or perhaps my work is an elephant's fart in a circus tent? I hope not.
More like war - Poetry is a very sad art. Poets are such a sad string of people. We all think we're amazing, whether we admit it or not. We believe we carry the very breath of life. But what is it we really carry? Close to nothing, just words.
I like this poem a lot, as I do with most of Buk's stuff.
Great
each other,
they can't find a New York publisher
or one
within miles,
with little talent and little fire, hanging useless
on barbed wire, a piece of britches torn from me as I tried to clear the fence, hangs my flag of victory. I became a poet very late. I couldn't help it as my flag pole held as wetness remained in the well, and like all that, poetry gushed and poetry shot, and I felt guilty and I felt hot. (edited)
There are all kinds who create, even the proud grow old and can become vulnerable. It takes guts to be a poet and greater guts to remain a poet even as we age and lose all our teeth and need that walking stick.....yet write about a race we won as children.....